The David Knight Show - 13Sep23 PATRIOT Act: Aimed at Parents, Dissidents, Patriots 20 YEARS Ago

Episode Date: September 13, 2023

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and what is happening to the rest of these January the 6th prisoners. We also have some follow-up commentary, some very good commentary about September 11th by people like Matt Taibbi and others of the day that never ends in terms of the surveillance state that has been put in its place. We'll take a look at the election. We have both Biden and Trump falling in the polls, but so are the other candidates. It's the only one winning on either side is essentially none of the above. And we will be joined in the third hour with Guy Relford, a Second Amendment attorney, and he also has a radio show and I think a podcast, The Gun Guy.

We're going to talk about some of these developments recently around the Second Amendment, especially, of course, in New Mexico. We'll be right back. Well, as I said yesterday, I was not aware that just before the show had ended, they had had the sentencing for Owen Schwerer at Infowars. And he was given, as I predicted, about half of what they had requested. They'd requested 120 days in jail. He got 60 days in jail.

And I want to talk a little bit about that, and I want to talk about what Norm Pattis said in response to the prosecutor's sentencing request to the judge. But I think as I look at this in the press, the conservative press, the MAGA press, if you will, is portraying this as a speech crime. That's not exactly true. There's elements of that in the sentencing enhancement. And it truly is outrageous, just like all of this January the 6th stuff is outrageous and excessive punishment i still can't believe joe biggs got 17 years i don't there wasn't even any evidence of him having been violent and of course enrico tarrio was not even there and he got more years so it

is a political prosecution no doubt about it But it's not about what he said on January the 6th. If that were true, then Alex Jones would be in jail. That is not true, what happened with it. But it shows how they're going to continue to come after anybody that was associated with this. If they can find anything at all about you, then they will enhance this. And again, the situation with Sam Montoya, who was actually filming, he was actually operating as a journalist. He was not operating as a, you know, a person who was rallying the protesters. He was actually operating as a journalist. He got four months, but it was house arrest. Nevertheless, it was an amazing ordeal, cost him a great deal of money,

and left him with a criminal record, and he was fired by Alex. Alex did not stick with him at all. But when we look at this, the absurd draconian measures that we see, evidenced in this as well. And the reality is this is not over the speech issue on January the 6th. It had nothing to do with what he said on January the 6th. It was for violating parole. But they enhanced it.

You know, what would have normally been nothing at all. They enhanced it to put him in jail for 60 days. That's the reality of it. And Norm Pattis pointed that out. Norm Pattis is an excellent attorney who specializes in free speech issues. He's a ponytail libertarian. I've interviewed him multiple times. But it doesn't really matter how good an attorney you are. And his response to these sentencing requests on the prosecutors. Happiness. We all know what it feels like,

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of people coming up with very inflammatory speech. There was one case of a guy yelling at the police officers in their face, calling them all kinds of obscene things. And I said, that's protected. And he had excellent, and it began that way. It began about speech. He does get into the counteract to say what it really is about. But essentially, it is an attack on free speech of their political opponents.

Because, again, as I said, this violation of this, you know, what had happened, that he was under, you know, orders not to go back to the Capitol because he had gone there and had staged a PR stunt, standing up and yelling. So they said, you can't come back to the Capitol for a certain amount of time, there and had staged a PR stunt standing up and yelling. So they said, you can't come back to the Capitol for a certain amount of time and you have to complete some community service orders. And because that did not happen, they say, and of course he countered and said, no, I did do it.

They said he was two hours short of the community service stuff. He said that he did do the community service stuff. So there's that technicality there. But because they maintained that he was guilty of that, and Norm Pettis said, look, that's why he pled guilty, because he did do that. But now you're using these statements about what he was saying around January the 6th. You're using that to enhance this. What would normally be nothing.

And so when you look at, for example, what Gateway Pundit is saying, besides the headline, saying 60 days in prison for speech crimes. Technically not really. After nearly two years of fighting charges related to his presence outside the U.S. Capitol, Owen made the decision to plead guilty to a lesser charge. No, that's completely false. His presence was what he pled guilty to. His presence was what the charge was. It's important that we get this right. That doesn't make this any less of an outrage for them to use this to enhance it. For example, this is from what Norm Pattis wrote. He said, Mr. Schroer renews his request for a sentence involving no incarceration and contends his two years plus that he spent on supervised pre-trial

release sufficient to serve the purpose of sentencing given the government's shocking attempt to use protected speech as a sentencing factor i think it's important that we make this distinction because if we don't get the facts right as gateway pundit doesn't as the world as world net daily doesn't as info wars doesn't if we don't get the facts right that leaves us open to charges of just you know sloppy work or lies so it's important to understand that this is used as a as a sentencing factor to escalate what would not normally have been anything of any subsequence. He goes on to say that he was under, this is reading, this is Norm Pattis' lawyer. Here's the facts. He was under a previous court order incident to deferred prosecution agreement

in an earlier case to not enter onto Capitol grounds. And Norm Pettis says this distinguishes him from others who were there. What others? Well, people like Alex Jones. That's why Alex Jones is not facing jail, because he was not under an order not to go onto the Capitol grounds. And so he goes on to say Mr. Schroer pleaded guilty because he is guilty. He entered grounds.

He waived an indictment. He did community service. And by the way, that was with Sam Montoya's dad, who is a Christian pastor. He turned in the paperwork and was two hours short. He showed evidence that he had, that their tally of two hours short was incorrect. But as Norm Panna said, they didn't even bother to review it. You see, the legal precedents, the First Amendment protection of free speech that they used as a sentencing enhancement, essentially. The same thing that they did accusing Biggs and others of terrorism

because of offense that was there. That kind of enhancement. So what they did was they took the January speech and they used that as enhancement for this other minor thing. Prosecutors charged Schroer, says NBC, because he had previously signed a deferred prosecution agreement after interrupting a congressional hearing in 2019 for a PR stunt and had agreed as part of that case not to utter loud, threatening, or abusive

language, this is quoting from it, or to engage in any disorderly or disruptive conduct at any place upon the U.S. Capitol grounds. And again, that's what Norm Pattis, his lawyer, said. He said, you pleaded guilty because he did do that but this sentencing enhancement of saying of quoting throughout their um requests for 120 days in jail quoting things that he said uh about biden about the election that was all really irrelevant that's all protected speech under the first amendment that should not be used as sentencing enhancement you know we saw the same type of thing happen with Ross Ulbrich.

They wanted to make an example out of Ross Ulbrich with Silk Road, and so they made unsubstantiated accusations about how he had been involved in murder for hire through this dark website, dark in the sense that it was there where the authorities could not see it as readily as they could other places. What they wanted to do was they wanted to make an example out of him because of Bitcoin and because of the dark web and other things like that. And so they accused him of being involved in a murder for hire situation. He was never convicted. He was never even indicted for those charges. You had a district attorney or a federal attorney. I don't remember what level he was, but went very public with that, talking about that

in the news media. And, but he was never charged or indicted with that, never found guilty. But when they found him guilty for operating the Silk Road website, the judge in the sentencing part of it talked about murder for hire, which again, he had never been convicted of, never been even charged with. It was just statements made in the press. But the judge used that to give him consecutive life prison sentences so this young man, Ross Ulbrich, would never

get out of jail. Life sentence with no possibility of parole. This is the so-called justice system that we have now. Weaponized for their agenda, not just for politics, but weaponized for their military industrial complex agenda. And the person who

sentenced him, U.S. District Judge Timothy Kelly, who also gave the highest sentence to the Proud Boys leader, Enrique Terrio, was a Reagan appointee. Like I said, this whole idea that we're going to fix the government by electing the right person who is going to put the right people in the Supreme Court and these other courts because that is where a lot of the tyranny is rolling out that is a fool's

errand uh we need to take a different approach with that the fifth circuit court has agreed that federal officials unconstitutionally coerced and encouraged online censorship federal appeals court last friday upheld key parts of preliminary injunction against federal interference with content moderation on social media platforms. So you understand that now we have the receipts from Twitter. We also have the court decision as well. This was never as you had these conservative libertarian organizations, you had the Heritage Foundation, the Cato Institute, you had Reason Magazine. I remember John Stossel saying, look, I hate the fact that they're censoring me,

but hey, they just, they don't like me. And it's private. And these corporations can do whatever they wish. No, they can't. And I've fought this now for five years, this lie that they can do whatever they want. Number one, that's a lie. Corporations are not people.

And they are created by government. They're not created by God. And so they don't have the right to take away my God-given rights. These government-created artificial persons. You know what? This is going to be, if you go down that line, you're going to go down the line where robots have rights that are superior to yours.

Because corporations are nothing but robots. They have been granted privileges by the government. They've been created by the government. And so anyway we have all this we know what social media has been used for happiness we all know what it feels like but sometimes it doesn't come easy i'm garvey bailey the host of happy enough a new podcast from the Globe and Mail about our pursuit of happiness. We know people want to live more fulfilling and positive lives. But how do we actually do that? Is there a happiness code to crack?

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Together, let's give it to them. Visit edc.ca slash export for more. They are deputized state censors. And this is what these people want. They do not want free speech. They want to shut it down everywhere. This is why I'm taking this temporary aside here away from January the 6th. Because as bad as 120 days in jail is, again, it was Owen with Steve Pachinik who put out that sting thing. I have a big problem with that. I still think, pray for Owen. This is a difficult thing.

It's going to be a hard time. It's going to be a hard time. It's only going to be two months, but it's going to be really hard two months. And we know that because of what so many people have been talking about. And some of these people have been there now for years. For years. Here's a mother and son who have just been sentenced. He got four years and nine months in jail.

She got two and a half years in jail. She is 50 something. He's 32 and she's 59. They're giving her two and a half years in this hard time. This man, Eric Munchel, his mother is Lisa Eisenhardt. Eric escorted his mother to Washington, D.C. January the 6th. They were one of over one million Trump supporters who went to Washington, D.C. Ray Epps brought them.

You know that, right? It was Ray Epps. He was the reason that they were there. It wasn't Trump who made $250 million, fleecing his followers, exposing them to this. And not just them. This is every, I mean, they're still arresting people, but they have used this now as a means to paint all of their political opponents, even people showing up at PTA meetings or showing up at school board meetings. Oh, you're domestic extremists. Yeah, it was Ray Epps who made the millions. It was Ray Epps who brought it. No,

it's Trump who made 250 million. Alex, I don't know how many millions Alex made. But shame on these people. That's the real crime of Owen. That's the real crime of Alex, what they did to their followers. Because people's lives have been destroyed and are still being destroyed. Just had somebody arrested the other day. Over one million Trump supporters came to Washington, D.C. to protest their grievances about the stolen presidential election, an action that is guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution, but at the same time totally fruitless.

Let me just add this. I've talked for a long time about the final article that I did before I was fired for opposing the Stop the Steal, opposing what Pachinik was doing, and the rest of this stuff. I did it on that Monday, December the 14th. That was the day, and I've been telling everybody it was a fool's errand. I've been telling everybody Trump created these rules that he said cost him the election. All this vote by mail stuff and the ballot harvesting. He created those rules with his pandemic. He knew what he was doing, and he did nothing at all to try to change those rules for the Georgia runoff that happened on January the 5th, the Tuesday before January the 6th.

And so you turn over the Senate to the Democrats, I believe as planned. I call him Benedict Donald. If he didn't plan it, it happened because he is so self-obsessed with himself about all this stuff, but also because he wants the money. And so when you look at all that, I did an article on the 14th, Alex had been out over the weekend raising money. I don't know what Alex was raising money for. Trump was supposed to be raising money for the legal fights, but he kept the first $8,000 that anybody gave him before he would turn it over for legal fights. And so I talked about how it was a fool's errand. I said, here's what they could have done. They're

not getting, they're not winning in any case in court. They're not getting a hearing. I said, whether this is a situation of the court system, just being so incredibly prejudiced and controlled that none of these people want to weigh in and get involved in this. It could be a possibility, I said. But they need to take it to the state legislatures. And I said, here's four states where it was razor thin victory for Biden. Two of them had Republican governors. Two of them had Democrat governors. But all four of those states that had a razor thin margin of victory for Biden had Republican legislators. So I said, focus on that. You should have focused on that, but you didn't. And if they had one, and I gave the different combinations, here's

how they could have done that with these states, even if they were opposed by the Democrat legislators, but they never did any of that stuff. But I said, now it's all a moot point because you've already had all the electors and there wasn't a second slate of electors chosen by any of these state legislatures to go against the ones that were certified by the Board of Elections. I said, it's too late. There's nothing that can be done now at this point. And Thomas Massey said that as well. He said, if they would have given us something to work with, if they would have sent us a different slate of electors, if we'd had a slate of electors

from the legislature and one from the executive branch, then we could have said, well, we don't know which one to go with, but they didn't. All these people who showed up at various places, they were not electors that were chosen by any branch of the state government. They were chosen by the state party. Every state party, and I know this because I was an elector for the Libertarian Party. So was Karen. And if you've got a candidate that's on the ballot, you have to give them a slate of electors. And if your candidate wins, then those electors are considered to be the official electors. And, you know, they can vote however they wish. We've had situations where they call it an unfaithful elector,

where an elector does not vote for their party's candidate. That happened with the guy who was Rose Wilder Lane's son. He produced Little House on the Prairie, and he was one of the guys who began the Libertarian Party. He did not vote for the Republican. He had been involved in the Republican Party. They had made him an elector, but he voted for the Libertarian candidate. I forget his name. But anyway, we've had situations like that, but the bottom line is those electors

are, every party has got electors. That doesn't mean anything. You know, I could have shown up and said, but I vote for the other guy, you know, and I'm an elector from the libertarian party. None of that stuff mattered. I've had a lot of discussions with people personally who can't seem to understand that every party has electors, but they have to be recognized by some state official. And you can make the argument that it could or should be the state legislature rather than the executive branch and the board of elections. But none of that stuff was done and it was too late. And I bring that up because I've always said that was the last thing that I posted. And I was going to post that on Substack, and I went back, and that one article has been removed.

And I don't know if we did not change our password on there. I wonder if somebody is kind of curious. I wonder if somebody in Infowars removed that article. But anyway, I was removed. I'm glad I was. Tired of being a part of that disinformation campaign that happened all through 2020. Beginning with the pandemic, Alex made record profits with that stuff. But let's talk about the case of Eric Munkle.

Munchle? I don't know. Munkle, we'll call him. So let's talk about the case of Eric Munkle. Munchle? I don't know. Munkle, we'll call him. So let's just say Eric. Eric entered the Capitol with a cell phone attached to his chest. He's pictured next to a mob of people who attacked two police officers and pursued them, but he did not. He admits to having a taser with him that day for self-protection and to protect his mother. He accompanied his mother, Lisa Eisenhardt. And look, let's understand that people who showed up with things like tasers

and vest and stuff like that, there's a very real, uh, possibility that they were going to be people like anti-father that were going to attack them. That had happened on a regular basis. So that's not an unreasonable thing. Um, she wanted his mother wanted to attend Trump's rally and to be part so that's not an unreasonable thing. His mother wanted to attend Trump's rally and to be part of the events at Davis, despite having an injured shoulder. In a letter to the Gateway Pundit, he wrote,

The night before on the 5th, we sang and danced and prayed and socialized with so many different walks of life from all over the country. It was an extremely patriotic event where the national anthem was sung many times. All interactions with police were polite and peaceful. I was even stopped this very same night by Metro police as they thought the taser on my hip was a firearm. After realizing what it was, they kindly let me go. I thanked them and told them to have a nice night. I was also wearing body armor and it was not mentioned by the police. Fast forward four days later, he said, I turned myself in on January the 6th to the Nashville FBI where I was compliant and respectful. I was taken into custody. I was held in solitary confinement for my own quote unquote protection. I sat there for the next few weeks on a 23-1 hour schedule. This meant that I spent 23 hours inside my cell and was only granted one hour outside.

These are the types of things that bigs went through for years. After my bond hearing in Tennessee, the magistrate deemed me not to be a flight risk or a danger to society and granted my bond. Unhappy with this verdict. Happiness. We all know what it feels like, but sometimes it doesn't come easy. I'm Garvey Bailey, the host of Happy Enough, a new podcast from the Globe and Mail about our pursuit of happiness. We know people want to live more fulfilling and positive lives. But how do we actually do that? Is there a happiness code to crack? From our relationship with technology to whether money can really buy you happiness,

we'll hear from both real people and experts to demystify this thing we're all searching for and hopefully find ways to be happy enough. You can find Happy Enough wherever you listen to podcasts. Have you received a red light or speed camera violation in the mail? Vehicle owners can pay or dispute online. Learn more at toronto.ca.aps. The D.C. office put a hold on my bond and had me transferred post-haste, meaning 72 hours. However, this is not what happened. I was transferred to Bowling Green, Kentucky, where I sat for three weeks. Once D.C. realized what had happened, the U.S. Marshals personally transferred me and my mother in shackles, up to what is known as the gulag.

When we arrived at the airport, we were beginning to be paraded through the airport where reporters were waiting our arrival. They did a perp walk with them. We were fortunate to have an officer decide to take us the back way. Once we arrived at the D.C. And again, this is Marshall who does that, but it's the politicized Department of Justice who alerted the reporters. Once we arrived at the DC correctional facility,

I was briefly allowed to speak to my mother before being separated. I remember telling her, I love you, mom. I keep your head up. I was ushered in the unit deemed as the DC gulag. My mother was sent to the SHU, which stands for the Special Housing Unit. This is where they send people who are mentally unstable. Just like Stalinist Russia. Oh, you are a dissident? Well, we put you in the mental hospital.

Hearing what my mother endured is something a son never wanted to hear. I entered my two weeks of quarantine in the Gulag. I was welcomed into a mold-infested cell with nothing but cold air and cold water and only a thin mat to lay on. I stayed here for almost two weeks until one of the guys tested positive for COVID and my two weeks started over again. And he talks about other things that happened. He said, I was one of the lucky ones. It was finally granted bond with every pretrial condition under the sun

placed on my mother and I. Once we got back to Tennessee, we gave each other a teary-eyed hug one last time, knowing the road ahead was going to be hard and lonely. It was only just recently that we were granted permission to call each other once a week. You understand that? House arrest and you can't even call each other.

Mother and son can't call each other. This is excessive punishment just as all the rest of it is excessive punishment. Folks, we have a government that is an open defiance of the Constitution. They are not going to come after Biden for that. Kevin McCarthy says they're going to start holding grandstanding hearings and it'll be about his financial corruption. Quite frankly, that is so 1980s or 1990s. I could couldn't care less about his financial corruption at this point in time.

Yes, it's important that we not tolerate that. But are we going to swallow a gnat, rather a stranded gnat, and swallow a camel? The camel here is what he's been doing with his vaccine mandates, with his lockdowns, all the rest of the stuff. And this, what he's been doing to the J6 people. Look, they had every right to be there. They had every right under the First Amendment to say whatever they wanted to, whether or not it was true, whether or not anybody agreed with it. They have a right to peacefully assemble and redress their grievances.

If there is violence, then you come after them for the right. This was not an insurrection. Never was. The insurrection is what the Biden Justice Department has done. Do you understand that? That's the real insurrection. This is the projection of their insurrection onto other people. So his wife commented after this sentencing, she said, I'm still in shock at the outcome of Eric's sentence.

I went to the courtroom hopeful and I left heartbroken. My husband was sentenced for the clothing that he wore. He had body armor. And a picture that was taken of him. Those things should not be a reason as to why our daughter has to spend 57 months, four years, nine months, away from him, said his wife. And of course his mother, 59 years old, two and a half years of hard time. The judge, the Reagan judge, gave Eric the maximum sentence, also fined him $2,000, gave the mother below the guideline sentence of 30 months, but also $2,000 fine. 30 months in

prison, two and a half years, and then a three years additional supervised release. So Eric and Lisa are asking for continued prayers, encouragement, and support, says Gateway Pundit, as they prepare for the appeals process and the inevitable incarnations, I think they meant incarcerations, as Eric leaves behind his wife and daughter on a single income and have to pay the $2,000 fine. Both currently have Give, Send, Go profiles if you would like to donate to them financially. But there's just a few of the people that are there.

Newsweek has put together a list, a full list of Capitol rioters jailed so far and the sentences that they are serving. And understand, most of these people are not rioters. 1,146 people from all 50 states in the Capitol have been charged with a variety of alleged offenses. If you look at this, this list is 52 pages long. Scroll down past these pictures, Travis, of the people. See, look, just stop there for a moment. Okay, there's

bigs. Only three and a half lines to talk about most of these people, right? And yet, this list of people goes on for 52 pages. 52 pages of excessive punishment. That is the crime. That is the insurrection against America by the Biden administration. I hesitate to call it a department of justice. And they're still arresting people. You know, I've had a lot of people who have told me that when I said, kept them away from January the 6th. I said, look, you know, you don't understand.

It's going to be full of agent provocateurs. You understand this is a trap. You understand the danger. Don't go. There's absolutely nothing that can be achieved by this. You know, if you want to go vent, don't go to Washington, D.C. Go somewhere else to vent. And as I said, several people have told me they didn't go because of what I said. One of them in particular, a young father who was homeschooling two very young children. As a matter of fact, the youngest is just now beginning really with the schooling.

And he said, if it wasn't for what you said, I would have been there on January the 6th. And these children, instead of being homeschooled by their father and mother, they would be fatherless at this point in time, fatherless for years. This is the legacy of what Donald Trump and Alex Jones did with their greedy plan for publicity and money. And I do not forget. I do not forgive. I didn't suffer.

I'm fine to be gone from InfoWars. I have no regrets. I would do it again. I would even do more. And I would do it even earlier. But I will not forget or forgive that. I will not forget or forgive what they did starting in March of 2020. The two of them.

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won't it still serve as a precedent to future lawfare yeah everything that's being done as a precedent as a matter of fact we're talking about the precedent of 9-11 which is still still being used uh still metastasizing like a cancer on our country and uh yeah that's the bad thing about all this and i said you know it's not just going to affect the people who are there on january the 6th on our country. And, uh, yeah, that that's the bad thing about all this. And I said, you know, it's not just going to affect the people who are there on January the 6th, but this is being used as a precedent to label even parents at a PTA meeting as extremist terrorists. This is how the media and the Biden administration is using it.

That's why I said, this is the crime. Uh, Octo spook says America is without a valid president, without a valid government, without a valid constitutional law. And it is we the people who must restore all of this. And I'll add, and I believe it has to be done from the bottom up. It has to be a grassroots movement. And it has to be done in our community. All politics is local. And this is not a theory.

This is reality. That's what Tip O'Neill used to always say during the Reagan years, when he was opposite Reagan. Democrats have understood this for a long time. Republicans don't. Republicans think they can elect a Reagan or a Trump or somebody who's going to fix all this stuff for them. That is the ridiculous idea. If you want to restore the constitution you don't do it with a benevolent dictator as president you understand any president who has that kind of

power if we let the office of presidency have that kind of power with executive orders and all the rest of the stuff and you hear trump saying well i'm going to do this with an executive or i'm going to do that with an executive order his I'm going to do that with an executive order. His inclination is to rule as a dictator, the same as Biden. There's no difference in that. And that is over and above any of their policies. We do not want a dictator in Washington. The solution is not going to come from the Oval Office.

The solution is going to come from us being active in our local communities and for us to build this country from the grassroots up as it was built the first time. Yes, we had wise founding fathers who understood the nature of politics and the nature of man. But they rose from the grassroots level, really, even though you had some very wealthy and famous men. They were the ones who were appointed at that level

and had a broad base of support by the time you got to those guys. And the foundations are very well understood. We don't have a country where the grassroots, where the vast majority of people even agree with or understand the values that America was built on. You know, we look at things like free speech and religious, the free exercise of religion and religious liberty and those types of things. We don't, we're at the point where we've lost these things because we don't value them anymore and this has been going on for quite some time they've been sitting there and we didn't really value these things for the most part we had the free exercise

of religion because everybody was apathetic about religion they didn't think it mattered i don't care you know do whatever you want i don't care about any of that stuff We had the free exercise of religion because everybody was apathetic about religion. They didn't think it mattered. I don't care. Do whatever you want. I don't care about any of that stuff. And so it just kind of sat there in this limbo. And then we had people who came around and wanted to politicize their sex lives. And so now we have this religious persecution that is coming at us from the LGBT movement.

They want to dominate people on the basis of their sex life. And because people didn't really care about religion, these people do. Recent polls show the atheists are far more active in politics than people who believe in God. Now, I understand partly why that happens, because all they've got is the here and now. And they're trying to make a heaven on earth for themselves. Good luck with that, because they think this is all that there is. We need to understand that, and as religious people, we understand that this is not all that there is we need to understand that yeah and as religious people we understand that this is not all that there is and we need to we understand that this is very very very very tiny dot on an infinite line this period of time that we have on earth but we as religious people need to

understand that god has called us to defend widows, to defend the fatherless, to look for justice, to come after those people who violate that, the criminals who prosecute them, especially in government. God talks a lot more about the criminal manipulation of people in government than he does about one-on-one crime of people who are there because of the the magnification of that crime and that injustice by government power so we have to focus on that they um on rock and j asks, thank you very much for the tip. I appreciate that.

Audi, MRR, says our military invades other countries and baseless narratives to liberate, quote unquote, and to bring democracy, quote unquote. That look at what our government does to its own citizens who have committed no crime. Absolutely right. Rumble, Obsolete Man, 1776. Thank you for the tip. I appreciate that.

He says, thank you. Day one of the Trump lockdown. I remember, David. Yeah, I do too. Thank you. Let's talk about 9-11. The conservative MAGA press is outraged and rightfully so that the biden administration has applauded a deal with saudi arabia on the anniversary of 9-11

do you not realize that they were partners seriously this is a headline from the Daily Caller. Yeah, the Biden administration applauds a deal with Saudi Arabia on the 9-11 anniversary. They had a deal with Saudi Arabia on 9-11. You don't realize this? Seriously? They applauded Saudi Arabia for its involvement in the global infrastructure deal on the anniversary of 9-11 and um you know uh even though as daily caller says newly declassified information indicates that a saudi intelligence agent corresponded and helped two of the al-qaeda hijackers was it tim osmond the cia name for osama bin laden who used to go

on a regular basis to the pentagon Was that the coordination between Saudi intelligence? Look, Saudis and Saudi intelligence were partners on 9-11. Stop pushing the official story. Breitbart pushes the official story. Daily Caller pushes it. World Net Daily pushes it. They've come to accept the standard story. And you understand, don't you, that this was never, the Patriot Act was directed towards, and as we see it being used

now, people like those who showed up to address their grievances on January the 6th. The Patriot Act was created to come after parents who speak up at PTA meetings because they offend the LGBT masters and the LGBT agenda. That's what the Patriot Act was set up for. The Patriot Act was an act against patriots. That was what it was set up for from the very beginning. And that's what we need to keep a focus on. You need to understand that

the government's conspiracy theory, and again, it is a conspiracy theory. Clearly it's a conspiracy. There It is clearly a conspiracy. There's more than one person. They don't claim that there was a lone person flying multiple planes, right? So it was a conspiracy. They say it was a Saudi conspiracy. Drive safe and obey the rules of the road.

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But it was a conspiracy, and it is a theory. It is a theory that just like the magic bullet is impossible, but it is a conspiracy theory. But they denounce other people as conspiracy theorists. And so when I talk about it, I want to focus not on how these buildings came down. I think it was very fascinating to hear Richard Gage, as he talked about the micro balls of iron and as a byproduct of thermite and the fact that they found nanothermite on the red

chips and all the rest of this stuff everything was you know pulverized in midair just destroyed other people have said that it was directed energy weapons and i've had a lot of people who have sent that to me as a matter of fact this is a a video that shows somebody walking along and saying, look at these cars. You know, they're completely destroyed with fire. All the glass is gone. This bus over here is rusting. And as they're talking about this in this original 9-11 video that I'm going to show you, they also put pictures of the Maui fire to say, well, you know, I think that, and I know a lot of people have told me over the years,

they believe that 9-11 was directed energy weapons. And, you know, that's one of the reasons why they're talking about the Maui thing. And let me just say, you know, I first saw this back in 1992. There was a documentary when I had our video stores called Panama Deception. It was narrated by Elizabeth Montgomery, who used to play in Bewitched. And they were talking about directed energy weapons in 1992 in Panama. And they showed the same burned out cars, quite frankly. I mean, you could do a third level of this video that I'm going to show you here in a second.

And you could show the cars that were there in Panama City as part of that invasion. Look, I don't know. And I can't prove whether it was directed energy weapons or whether it was thermite. I just know that the official explanation of, you know, a domino theory of collapse after they were hit by planes, that didn't happen.

Building seven was never hit. Building seven was never mentioned by Breitbart, by WorldNet Daily, by Daily Caller. These people were pushing the official story. They never talk about building seven. We had three planes collapse in their footprint, looking like a very well-orchestrated planned demolition. And yet we have only two planes,

two planes, three buildings, two planes, three buildings. That should get you thinking to question it, just like the magic bullet of JFK. And then once you start down that path of questioning it, you'll find that the whole thing is riddled with magic bullets. I'm going to play for you just a little bit of this. I'm going to play the whole thing because it's about five minutes long. Remember, the evidence is the truth that a theory must mimic if the theory is correct. The evidence is showing us a different story than what we were led to believe. Every car up this road was toasted in some way. Every vehicle. I call this the swamp. I think you can see why. Is it the sound?

No door handles. Not a trace of window glass. Trade Center. We're at West Broadway in Barkley. Very difficult to breathe here, but look around. This must have been ground zero where this thing blew up. Car after car after car. Buses completely obliterated and burned straight down to the steel.

Every car up this road was toasted in some way, every vehicle. Here's more of that street, and notice no door handles. Now that in itself isn't surprising, but we're just noticing the patterns. It seems that door latches, trunk lid latch, this door, door latches and door handles were completely gone. Also, this looks like it was sandblasted ready for a new paint job. Not a trace of window glass left in that. And that's what seems to be a trend with the toasted vehicles. Something happens to the engine compartment too.

Some remnants, you have literally an engine that is melded together with other parts of the car. Then we have also this vehicle that's already rusted. You can see building seven is still standing. Every car up this road was toasted in some way. Well, you get the idea. It goes on and on. And as I said, in 1992, same type of thing was shown about Panama, the Panama deception. And so, again, I'm not going to get caught up with the directed energy weapons stuff. I can't prove it. I just know that what they said is not true. And I know that what they're saying about Maui, that it's climate change and all the rest of this stuff is not true. And I know that

what they're trying to do is to corral people into the smart cities and the 20, 30 stuff. Let's focus on what we can prove. I'm serious. You know, this is what I try to do as a reporter, as an analyst. I try to focus on what I can prove. There's a lot of other stuff, frankly, that I don't talk about that I think is going on. And really wild stuff, quite frankly uh far beyond all this a lot of it's spiritual as well i don't talk about that i talk about what i can prove let's address what we can do something about this is the thing that bothers me about this biden impeachment yeah he did a

crime but let's focus on fixing and stopping some of these aggressions. That's going to allow these people to do this Game of Thrones, dog and pony show, make themselves media stars, the back and forth, use this to push people to voting for one side or the other as they have their dueling investigations. Meanwhile, they continue with their surreptitious, stealthy plans as

Fauci said. Doing it from the inside. Doing it with chaos. And doing it iteratively. That's why they do all these things. Doesn't matter what they say. And so you got Mayor Adams there, grunting, standing next to a smiling

Lala Harris at the 9-11 memorial this is what they're focused on Rudy Giuliani was there reports the New York Post but they said he was much more removed than his successors Rudy Giuliani was there reports in New York post. Uh, but they said he was much more removed than his successors. Interesting choice of words.

Rudy Giuliani was removed. Um, he was the guy who removed the evidence. Nine 11 Rudy. You know, if you're going to use Rico statutes against him, you should use Rico statutes against him for what he did on 9-11. And, of course, you know, the police chief, Bernard Carrick,

and friends of Donald Trump, commenters on Rumble, conservative thinker, thank you very much for the tip. I appreciate that. He said, I love it when you talk founding fathers. Well, thank you. I'm about to talk about the founding bastards. The founding bastards of 21st century police state.

The anti-constitutionalists. You know, we had the federalists and the anti-federalists at the time of the founding of this country. We have the constitutionalists and we have the Federalist and the Anti-Federalist at the time of the founding of this country. We have the Constitutionalists and we have the Anti-Constitutionalists. And the Anti-Constitutionalists are the vast majority of both parties and the media and the social media and the Silicon Valley. So long. On Rockfin, Gmo, thank you for the tip.

He says, thank you, Dave. Well, thank you. Jason Barker. How are you doing, Jason? On Rockfin. Nights of the Storm. Of course, thank you, Dave. Well, thank you. Jason Barker. How you doing, Jason? On Rockfin. Nights of the Storm. Of course, he has a foxhole report. That is Nights of the Storm with Angry Tiger.

Angry Tiger has his own and the, what is it? Snake and Tiger report. I think it is. But anyway, you can see it all at the Nights of the Storm. They show you where their programs and many other programs are. He says, I wonder how many citizens who were never charged with a crime were put on the no-fly list. Yeah, you know, because a lot of us don't like to fly anymore.

I wouldn't know that. But, you know, this is the scary thing, Jason. I think that's what's going to happen is these people are going to find, like in the case of Owen, they're going to find that when there is some kind of infringement that they can get them on, some kind of a minor crime, they're going to enhance it, perhaps. The fact, you know, this person was there on January the 6th. I would not be surprised if that was not the case on rumble ground zero how 9 000 uh judy wood is a larp with her death ray narrative of the deep state okay that was a

person that was just there um yeah and again that's why i don't want to get into that that's why i haven't talked about it with maui and and i mentioned that uh because I think it's interesting but I think it's also a rabbit hole just like I said the situation with Maui was a rabbit hole we know that they have with their environmentalism they have created um an environment for runaway fires when they're happening and they were warned about that and we had pictures residents showing that their infrastructure was decaying why because they were pursuing renewable that, and we had pictures, residents showing that. Their infrastructure was decaying. Why? Because they were pursuing renewable energy mandates, so they didn't fix the leaning power poles.

They were down inside all the brush and all the rest of this stuff. And on and on, you know, when we look at this. And we know how they want to use this to control people, to rob them, and so forth. And we also know, and this is nothing new, quite frankly, what is happening. It's good that it's getting attention. Drive safe and obey the rules of the road. Vehicle owners who receive a red light or speed camera violation can pay or dispute online at toronto.ca.aps.

But as I've said over and over again, it was about 15, 16 years ago that one of my sons, Whistler, did a video contrasting the way FEMA and the federal government handled a hurricane at the coast of North Carolina, contrasting that. And what they did to people was criminal, just like what they're doing in Hawaii. And, of course, government just keeps getting worse with these types of things. But it was the same type of deal, keeping people from being able to go back and trying to preserve whatever was left after the hurricane hit, stopping people from going back and preserving their property

from being looted or obliterated with continuing rainstorms and everything. They wouldn't let them back on the islands. One of the reasons why so many people, when hurricanes come now, we'll do the dangerous thing of not leaving their property. They'll stay there because they know they can't get back because FEMA is going to block them. And so there's a lot of that type of thing that's happening.

That has always been there. And we should be concerned about that, But instead, everybody goes down this rabbit hole of chasing directed energy weapons. That's why I think that it is, when you look at the other side of this, that Richard Gage has put out, he didn't get into all the interesting coincidences about Marvin Bush and the people who were put into office

just before all this stuff happened. Even at the FBI, the head of the FBI put in just before all this stuff happened, even at the FBI, the head of the FBI put in just before all this stuff happened and, um, uh, and ran it through with the Patriot Act and all the rest of the stuff. Look, it,

it was an inside job. It was done with chaos and is done iterative. And as Matt Tybee says, it's a day that has never ended. And, and so I don't want to get caught up onbi says, it's a day that has never ended. And so I don't want to get caught up on the how of what they did because we can't know the how of what they did. And I put that there because so many people had questioned that. But again, I don't want to get into how the fire started.

It's important enough to know that they'd enabled this in Maui with their actions. They were all based around this climate MacGuffin and that they're going to continue to extend that. Christy Ripperger, thank you very much for the tip. I don't understand why Judyy woods isn't more respected she did a great job and also brings up hurricane present off the coast of ground zero which the energy for directed energy weapons could have been harnessed just like maui so again you know uh i don't want to get maybe i shouldn't have played i don't want to get people fighting back and forth about directed energy weapons let's not be misdirected about the political weapons that are being used against us. Do you understand?

So let's talk about the political weapons that are directed at us. You know, whether it's thermite, whether it's directed energy weapons that they use with this stuff, whether it is intentional neglect or arson of one form or the other, let's talk about how they're using this. And so this is an excellent article by Matt Taibbi. You can find him on Racket News on Substack. He said, America thought that its war on terror was behind it, but the emergency has never stopped expanding. See, 9-11 was the founding event of the 21st century American police state. This is my comment, not his.

And so this is the story of the founding bastards, the illegitimate, oath-breaking, Constitution-breaking people and their anti-Constitution Constitution, the Patriot Act. So he says, eight days later, on September the 19th, when Attorney General John Ashcroft asked for sweeping expansion of the executive power, he told Congress that he would have a bill by the end of the week. Notice that this was eight days later.

It was seven days after 9-11 that they had the anthrax attack. And so they used all the, and as I've said, this pandemic, the dark winter, the germ game simulations and all the rest of this stuff, these things went hand in hand with each other. And what happened to us in 2020 was the second shoe to drop of this plan, this inside job, chaos, and the iterative rollout of their martial law and surveillance state. So one day after the anthrax attack that happened one week after the 9-11 attack, Attorney General Ashcroft says, we need every tool available to us.

And Congress quickly delivered with roving wiretaps, writes Matt Tybee. Warrantless searches. Trap and trace searches. Law enforcement and intelligence access to grand jury information. Use of FISA monitoring for non-foreign situations. Because what is FISA Act? The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. So we'll make it non-foreign. We'll expand it. Reduction or elimination of predicate requirements for FBI investigations and elimination of judicial review for most of

these activities, among many other things, and the Patriot Act. And it all passed on October the 26th, marking just the beginning of what has turned into a long period of radical change. From 2001 to 2008, the U.S. internationally became the world's death star, constructing the most fearsome military intelligence state that has ever been seen. Between 1.9 and 3 million Americans served in wars after 9-11, as the open-ended 2001 authorization to use military force led not only to the invasions of Afghanistan, Iraq, but also to deployments in Yemen, Somalia, Libya, Syria, Niger, and parts unknown. Seven countries we went to war with.

Plus, as I guess Rumsfeld would say, the known unknowns. They know who it is, but we don't know who it is, right? Gitmo became the face of an anything-goes secret justice system, filled with combatants by troops from a swelling archipelago of 750 foreign bases. What a disgusting thing America has become. What a vile and disgusting thing. From the filth of Hollywood and the LGBT, Sodom, and go Marxist crowd, this militarized war machine.

God is going to take down this country. You better pray about that. You better pray that there's going to be a turnaround, that there's going to be a reawakening, a restoration. Because if there isn't, there is no country that deserves judgment more than America. If that doesn't happen, Sodom and Gomorrah will rise up

and say, why did we get this and they didn't? God is long-suffering. And people have been suffering for a long time under this American empire. The targeted killing program, headed by a fleet of CIA-run drones,

was likewise kept busy by a vast global surveillance net, newly consolidated after the creation of the 240,000-person Department of Homeland Security. Their fatherland, their fatherland, right? The largest federal reorganization since the Defense Department's birth in 1947. And what is it that we've just had now? Now, that was 240,000. But think about the fact that Biden wants to add to the IRS, which is now 13,000 people. He wants to add an additional 80,000.

What do you think he's going to do with that? This is the largest expansion since Homeland Security was created at the IRS. It is a financial targeting coming after all of us. That's why I say you better prepare. You better get gold and silver. Tony Aardman, David Knight, you better do the kinds of stuff that you need to do to operate outside of the system that they're setting up because they're setting up a horrific system and the same way that they planned the internet, social media, and they brought it into place. They're going to bring in that kind of, uh, now we're going to have the financial equivalent of a Homeland security that Biden is working.

And the response of the Republicans, oh, don't you love them? You know, Democrats wanted $80 billion. Republicans said, we're not going to do that. That's crazy. $60 billion. $60 billion. For an agency that has a budget of $13 billion right now, the Republicans negotiated down the Democrats to $60 billion.

We don't want to have it, what, seven times as big? We'll only go five times as big or something like that. It is forgotten, says Matt Taibbi, but Barack Obama was sent to the White House in what a lot of the voting public at the time considered to be a referendum on the security state. Remember, who was he running against in 2008 he was running against john mccain yeah that's a big part of it you know the guy who wanted to go to war with everybody and supported all these forever wars very similar to what we saw happen you know in other words

they've got john mccain out there as the cold warrior, the authoritarian, the guy, remember he's on the cover of Newsweek and they lit him from below. They looked like some kind of monster from, and in black and white, they looked like some kind of monster from the 1930s, um, universal pictures, you know, Frankenstein or the mummy or something like that. Uh, so he was the, the guy that you had to be afraid of, you know, Frankenstein or the mummy or something like that. So he was the guy that you had to be afraid of. You know, he was going to do the other stuff. But they always have, just as we saw with the election of Bill Clinton versus George H.W. Bush.

Both of them were supporting NAFTA. You know, you had Ross Perot who came in who pushed back against that. But they give you the left and the right, and the key thing that they wanted to do was NAFTA, and both of them supported that. And then when you go to 2008, they make it appear as if there is a clear choice between Obama and McCain. That was kind of lost on me. Matt Taibbi, who used to write for Rolling Stone, he probably, that was more at the front of his mind. I saw a lot of distinctions. But again, it took the guard down for the people on the left. Here's a guy who's not going to push the militarized empire, and here's a guy who is. And yet, what did Obama do? He did that. We had the situation

when Obama ran in 2012. Are we going to have Obamacare, or are we going to have Mitt Romney, who had already done Obamacare with Ted Kennedy in Massachusetts when Romney was governor? Romneycare was exactly the same as Obamacare. So when they want something pushed through like NAFTA or Obamacare or these wars, they always make sure that their key agenda is represented by two people who are exactly the same. And you may not realize it, but the choice that we had in 2020 was another one of those. Trump was going to run it through just like Biden did, the vaccines and all the rest of this stuff. He just would have done it more relying on the private sector, relying more on carrots than on sticks.

But he had already indicated that people are going to have to take the shot. He had made that clear in 2019. You're not going to get any medical or religious exemptions for the MMR shot. No, you got to get it. It's going around. Well, here's a guy who's telling us that this pandemic is as bad as 1918. He just said that a week ago. He's still telling that lie.

You don't think that he would have mandated this? Yeah, if Romney had gotten in, we still would have had Obamacare. If Trump had gotten in, he still would have done the stuff that Biden did with the vaccines. That's my opinion. Anyway, as he says, it's forgotten, but Obama was sent to the White House because a lot of people considered this election to be a referendum on the security state. But Obama played up the fact that he was a constitutional lawyer, right? The same way that Trump played up the fact that he was an anti-globalist.

He announced, Obama did, in a national security address at the Wilson Center in 2007, his opposition to the, quote, color-coded politics of fear, unquote, and to, quote, a war in Iraq that should never have been authorized. You know, you go back and you look at this again to show just how irrelevant the presidential races are. So we had Obama, who's pretending to be against this militarized police state. We have McCain, who is the very face of the militarized police state. Then we look at the third party we had in 2008 at the Libertarian Party. We had Bob Barr.

Bob Barr, as a congressman, had voted for the Patriot Act. So I'm looking at this thing in 2008. It's like, what am I going to vote for? The only person who opposed this stuff was Chuck Baldwin, but he wasn't on the ballot except in just a couple of states. He wasn't on the ballot in North Carolina. Let me tell you what, Liberty is not going to be on the ballot.

Liberty is going to be done by you at the grassroots level, doing the hard work locally for yourself, for your family, for your community, building it up from that level. They're not going to offer it to you on the presidential ballot. It's not even there. So anyway, privately, Obama had already met with people like Richard Clark

who told him, as a president, you kill people. And then later on he says, I got really good at killing people. This is who Obama would actually be in office, quote, an idealist without illusions, unquote, as he referred to himself, who expanded the buildup, who institutionalized the kill list, that's what they called it, and it was a disposition matrix, I think, or something like that. They came up with some kind of CIA euphemism like that. And in one of his last major acts, he created a new

counter-disinformation authority that helped to birth the censorship state. And I would add, even though Matt Taibbi did not put it in, Obama charged more people under the 1917 Espionage Act than all of the presidents before him in those previous 100 years combined. The Fifth Circuit Court's decision in the Missouri v. Biden case last week, says Matt Tybee, which allowed the Department of Homeland Security and its cyber and infrastructure security agency, CISA, to squirm free of any anti-censorship injunction, underscored the central delusion of post-9-11 America. Voters thought that they had shut down the war on terror in 2008,

but the American citizens were instead swallowed up by it, made subjects of the global dragnet. From the towers to Trump to COVID to today, made subjects of the global dragnet. From the towers to Trump to COVID to today, the emergency state not only never receded, but tried continually to expand, looking to make the panic of 22 years ago a forever thing. And he ends the article by saying, how do we end this day?

Well, first, Americans need to understand this is an inside job, as Fauci said. They do it with chaos and fear, and they do it iteratively. If we start to understand what these guys are about and where they want to take us, that is the beginning. Wisdom is the beginning of this thing. Uh, and again, you see another article, same idea from an organization called

responsible state craft.org, but they're focused not on what happened in America as Matt Taibbi is, but on how America has, foreign policies, geopolitics. The war on terror lives on 22 years after 9-11, they said. The U.S. has normalized a militarized approach to security worldwide. But I say that it is the inside job because the inside job has been a continual state of inside war. War against Americans, inside America. It's the inside war that we need to focus on. While the overt conflicts of the global war on terror have receded with the U.S.'s departure

from Iraq and Afghanistan, many of today's tensions and political unrest can be directly traced to the forces set in motion during the NATO-led global war on terror. Anti-terror funding continues to flow with few checks and balances, supercharging security forces and the global military industry. Well, again, against this backdrop, let me just say one last thing. And that is, I saw Tennessee Star is a conservative newspaper here in the state. They look at state issues. And I thought it was very interesting to see that they came after Gary Humble, who has Tennessee stands.

I've interviewed him. Gary Humble moved to Tennessee a few years ago, and he ran in the last election against the guy who is the majority leader in the Tennessee State Senate and came real close to beating him. And so these are a bunch of Republicans who came out in the Tennessee General Assembly, and this story was written by the Tennessee Star, which I generally like. I think they're good for state issues. But they took him to task for what he said about 9-11, and here's what he had to say. Like the plandemic, 9-11 was probably just a coincidental

opportunity for the elites to continue their takedown of our Constitution. Probably not, he said. That infuriated them. Or maybe they're just upset that he nearly beat the leader in the Senate.

They, as the Tennessee Star says, reacted strongly to a bizarre tweet. It just illustrates how the official orthodoxy of the GOP is not to be questioned. How 9-11 has become part of that official GOP orthodoxy now. And so, as I point out, you know, not only is he getting hit with this, but he's also getting hit with an audit for the money that he spent, and they've not released it. But, you know, this is the way they come after people with audits. You come close to, and you start to have a real effect. He's had an unfiltered approach to this, so I should probably get him back on.

State Representative Jason Zachary, Republican, Knoxville, said it's unfortunate and in bad taste for any entity to use remembrance of significant national tragedy as an opportunity to push a ridiculous political narrative or conspiracy theory. Wait a minute. The ridiculous political narrative and the conspiracy theory, the lies that our government pushed to us that you're pushing. That's what's in bad taste, bad taste. You know, the official story, a conspiracy of Saudis and of melting skyscrapers, it's laughable.

It's laughable. You've let the guilty go free. I would say that that is in bad taste. How does that honor the dead? How does that honor their families, to let the guilty go free? The guilty who did this from the inside and have used this to have an inside war against us. The founding bastards need to be called out about this state that they have created. Unfortunate and in bad taste.

Another one says, I agree. It is an exceptionally bad taste to make such a statement today. Furthermore, given that I served in Desert Storm, I think I'm qualified to say the threat to our nation was exhibited on 9-11 in 2001 as something that we did well in response to. This is John Raggin, Oak Ridge Republican. Well, here's the problem. Sometimes people who are there, if you're serving in the military, sometimes people, we got a relative who was in one of the towers and got out. Sometimes you're too close to be able to see what's going on. Sometimes you can't see the forest for the burning trees.

Sometimes you can't see the culprits because all of the falling buildings and the dust and smoke that they're blowing in your face. We need to clear that away. We need to look at this and what we understand cannot happen. I'm sick and tired of these magic bullets and these, you know, planes, two planes knocking down three buildings, this kind of fantasy stuff that they sell us. And we just go along with it. Yeah, yeah.

We honor John Kennedy, JFK. We name buildings and schools all over the country after him, but we don't come after his murderers. We don't come after the people who did a coup against our government. And we do the same thing about September 11th. He said, another one, Jeremy Fison, Republican from Cosby, Tennessee. When people show you who they are, believe them. On the anniversary of the day of our country was brutally attacked, Gary tweets out divisive conspiracy. Yeah, we should all unite behind the lie. Yes, sir.

That's the GOP. Let's unite behind the lie of the pandemic. Let's unite behind that was practice for 20 years. The other shoe to drop that was forged right at the same time. Never question the criminals who did this. Never question the criminals who used it as a founding document of their anti-constitution, the Patriot Act. Yeah, that's why they always use GOP presidents, isn't it? You got the law and order people, You got the tribe who backs them up. They won't question that, right? In the same way that the Democrats thought Obama was going to be the anti-McCain.

He turned out to be just like McCain. Seven countries that we know of and how many that we don't know of that they went to war with. Yeah, the geopolitical presidents. We would resist the same thing if it was done by a Democrat president, but not if it's done by Trump, not if it's done by Bush, not if it's done by Reagan, and on and on. We'll be right back. Thank you. Thank you. Making sense common again. You're listening to The David Knight Show.

Yes, and on Rockfin, John John says, it should be noted that Agenda 21, Agenda 2030, and Agenda 2050 were already planned before 1999. I went to a lecture about it in 1999. Yeah, of course. Of course, it has been around for a very long time. On Rockfin, John Henry, 3777, says, remember when Trump pretended to have COVID in order to get conservatives to get vaccinated and to believe the fake pandemic was real. Absolutely.

It's one of the things that bothers me right now is all this talk about the, um, uh, the Wuhan lab. And you have now, uh, as I've gotten RFK junior talking about it, you've got a lot of people in the Republican Party talking about it. Why are they talking about it? They want to keep you focused on that, not on the real bioweapon, which is the vaccine. And they have now somebody releasing some statements saying that they were offered a lot of money by the CIA or something like that to be quiet about it. Look, it's gain-of-function research. This could be a double cover story by the CIA. It could be that they intentionally released this stuff and they did not want people talking about that. They just wanted them to be afraid of it. But there was a lot of talk

that was put out there. There was a lot of people who were stoking fear, like Alex Jones did, about, oh, this is coming from the Wuhan bio-level 4 lab. So we should be very, very concerned about that. I was the first one at InfoWars to talk about that in december of 2020 i said do you realize that this wet market in wuhan is right next to where their biosafety level 4 lab is maybe we should watch this very closely but then when we started seeing all the phony stuff about china sealing people in their homes and the videos of young people walking down and suddenly just collapsing it's like okay, this is fake. It's kind of like, you know, the flowers falling free fall. You know, it's like, okay, I think we know what this is.

And then it became certain as soon as the plan was, you know, as they started locking people up, it's like, I know what this is. They've been practicing this for 20 years. You lock everybody down until you got an untested vaccine that you push on the population and you make the acceptance of the vaccine a condition for getting out of lockdown. So we knew what that was. They've been practicing it for a long time. On Roquefin, OctoSpook, some do not realize that Trump issued over 200 executive orders. Yeah, I don't know what the exact count was, but he had a lot. And the key thing is how significant some of these were. Again, that executive order, medical martial law, and the precedent that it set.

Incredibly important. Cannot underestimate that. On Rumble, A. Wootz, thank you very much for the tip. He says, David, I can always rely on you to illuminate the path of righteousness, the path of Christ. Thank you. Well, I try to, and I can't stop talking about the politics, and it gets me really angry sometimes, but that is the hope that we have, and that is the thing that certainly keeps me going, and it's what I have bet my life on. Let's talk a little bit about the politics aspect of this.

RFK Jr. is talking about how rigged the DNC election is, and he's got a big point. I've said over and over again, when people start talking about the 2020 election, I said, first of all, you understand that we had these new rules, these new massive corruption, which, by the way, is that going away? We had the 2022 election still done under pandemic rules. We're going to have the 2024 election done under Trump's pandemic rules. Once they put this stuff in, you don't get it off. And that's what I said

on the very first, that Monday after Trump did the executive order on Friday, after my show hit ended in the morning, I said, do you realize that once you go down and you give these people this power, it's very difficult to take it back from there. Just take a look at what's going on with the elections. And so, um, once you put this stuff in, once you set that precedent, it's very difficult to go back and undo that. So we're not going to have elections where we mail out ballots to everybody. You know, you not only get to vote early and vote often, but you also get multiple ballots, as we've seen from many people. And if you want to complain about that, though, as I've said for the longest time, I said,

look, the corruption begins with who gets on the ballot, with ballot access. The corruption begins with who gets on the ballot, with ballot access. The corruption begins with the debates. And that's what we can see right now and what is happening with the DNC. And I want you to hear a little bit of what RFK Jr. had to say about how these elections have been corrupted by ballot access, debate access being denied. This has always been the case. I've been working with this for 30 plus years. It's pretty clear that the DNC does not want a primary. They, you know, I don't want to say that they want a coronation, but that's, I think that that's's fair way to put it actually they're doing they're

they're essentially they're fixing up the process that it makes it almost impossible to have democracy function it they're effectively disenfranchising the Democratic voters from having any choice in who becomes president, who becomes the Democratic nominee. So two of the things they've done to date is they've moved the Iowa primary. They've made rules that if anybody campaigns in Iowa or sets foot, any candidate sets foot in the state of Iowa or sets foot in the state of New Hampshire, that none of the votes that are cast for that candidate will be tallied. You hear that? Isn't that amazing? Any delegate that sits in New Hampshire or Iowa would go instead to the president. And, and now they're

trying to change it so that if I campaign in New Hampshire, that none of the votes cast for me in Georgia will count. And that's significant, because it's hard to win the nomination without Georgia. What is so there? What is the logic? Well, they're rigging it so that it, you know, effectively, you know, we're looking at the tabulations now that look like if you add up all the superdelegates that they control and all of the automatic delegates that just go to the party and go to the president, you know, i would have to win almost 80 percent of all of the states in order to beat president biden even if he only wins 20 percent yeah so what is the logic lady it's an exercise in raw power and corruption. And it's been going on for a long time. Dennis Kucinich said,

the DNC has created a class of pledged delegates called party leaders and elected officials who are essentially the same as superdelegates because the superdelegate thing blew up going back to the 2016 election. Hillary Clinton had all these superdelegates, right? And so Bernie Sanders could defeat her in the popular vote, but she would get more delegates. We saw that over and over again.

I remember reporting on that the longest time. They've rigged the process. It is a coronation. It's not an election. And this is done from the inside. And quite frankly, the Republican Party is not as overt about it, but it's still the same type of thing. You'll run into this, if you run for local office, you'll run into, even at the state level, how the Republican Party will control the ballot. And of course, they've done all types of things

to keep people from running as independents. The ballot access restrictions that are there that they don't have for themselves. I mean, we had situations where we had Republicans who decided not to run because it was a heavily Democrat district. A Libertarian ran, and after the deadline had passed, because the Republican Party didn't want people seeing a Libertarian getting a big vote total or possibly even winning. But because, again, the libertarians would take the position on a lot of social issues and other things like that that Democrats had. So they're kind of like free market social lefties for the most part.

But they didn't want to see any sign of success or progress. So they went to a judge and they said, we would like for you to waive the deadline for our candidate because we found somebody that we want to run. And they did that. So the rules don't apply to them. They apply to other people. And they use the rules to keep people out.

They would keep people out of the debates. Even after we got on the ballot, they would keep our candidate out of a debate because you can't have a three-way debate. I mean, that would just be too confusing if you had three candidates debating, right? And they would do this by the beard of saying, well, the organization that's running the debate is a private organization and they can have whoever they wish. And the organization that was keeping our candidate for governor out of the debate was the North Carolina Association of Journalists,

or whatever the official title was. But that's what it was. It was journalists. The private organization that was running the debate and the journalist organization did not want a third-party candidate in the debate. But isn't that amazing? You know, to say, well, we are going to push that out. He says, this puts the DNC once again in the position of overturning the will of the voters

across the United States. It is unclear how overturning the nation's majority vote could be interpreted as trusting the people, said Mr. Kucinich, Kennedy's campaign manager. The DNC moved South Carolina to the top of the 2024 primary schedule. It was Biden's first primary victory during the 2020 contest in South Carolina. This means that primaries in Iowa, New Hampshire, and Nevada would come in second for Democrats after South Carolina, while Georgia would come next after the other states in early February. New Hampshire state laws stipulate that the Granite State will be the first in the nation,

and Georgia state law stipulates that it will hold Republican and Democrat primaries on the same day. But under the DNC's rules, the GOP primary in Georgia would be held on March the 12th, and the Democrat primary would come on February the 13th. But just to make it clear, you know, they say, well,

if you even campaign in those areas, we're going to throw out all your votes for campaigning for campaigning. How many more ways can they come up with to rig this process? This is why I'm saying we've got to do something at the local level before they get complete control of that. And with electronic voting machines and all the rest of this stuff, they're able to extend their corruption far beyond just a presidential election. They can extend it from top to bottom and across every office. That's what we have to be concerned about.

And so Marianne Williamson, who's also running. So the people have a right to hear from other candidates with other ideas. We should have debates. Nah, nah, not going to do that. The Democrat party must allow Biden to debate his opponents. The fate of our democracy is at stake and the only, and only more democracy can save it. Well, look, uh, it isn't the Democrat party keeping Biden from. That's an amazing statement from her. It's the Biden organization that owns the Democrat Party that is using these things in the same way that it's the Republican Party.

That, you know, Trump split the loot with him on the Save America grift for 9 for January the 6th. And, you know, everybody knew that he didn't want to do a debate and everybody knew that he didn't want to do a debate, and everybody knew that he didn't want to pledge to support other candidates. So for the first time, we've had the RNC say, you have to have a loyalty pledge to the GOP, knowing that that's going to be an opportunity for Trump to get out of the debates

without looking like the coward that he really is. On Rumble, Geesebusters, thank you very much for the tip. I appreciate that. Ge, on rumble geese busters. Thank you very much for the tip. I appreciate that. Geese busters, geese busters. Keeps the geese away from, uh, even Trump's, uh, golf course. That's why he knows Trump so well. Uh, they're all two legged rats with Trump having the longest tail. Yeah.

We've got a lot of blind rats that are running this country. Don't we? Well, I thought it was kind of interesting as we're talking about Biden. CNN is, and it's interesting to see how Matt Drudge is really pushing, and there's a lot of stuff in the mainstream press, the Democrat press and everything, and Matt Drudge pushing to get Biden out. And I think this is one of the most interesting ones we've seen. This is CNN going down a collection of Joe Biden's lies because, you know,

he told a big one about, you know, I was there on September 11th. No, he wasn't. No, he wasn't. He was telling everybody he was there. It's amazing. Yeah. He wasn't there for uh the memorial service or anything else like that he was uh taking a trip and then he fabricates this to make himself

look like a hero he has done i don't know if it's similar things but he's sort of told some stories that don't line up quite like this before yeah this president has a pattern at this point of either inventing or embellishing stories about his own past, his biography. He did it three times in one speech last month alone. He claimed he had witnessed a bridge collapse in Pittsburgh when he actually showed up about six hours later. He claimed that his grandfather had died just days before he was born himself at the same hospital. In fact, his grandpa died more than a year before in a different state, not the same hospital. And he also repeated a favorite false story that I and others have debunked over and over again about a supposed conversation with an Amtrak train conductor he was friends with

who was actually deceased at the time the conversation would have had to take place. And that's not all. There are some more serious ones, in my view. Previously in his presidency, he claimed at one point he'd been arrested during a civil rights protest when, in other versions of the story, he just said an officer had taken him home from a protest. He said he had visited the Pittsburgh synagogue where warshipers were killed in a 2018 mass shooting. In fact, he'd actually spoken to the rabbi, but never went. And he's made a whole bunch of others too. He said at one point, Republicans like to bring this up. He said that he used to drive a tractor trailer, used to drive an 18 wheeler. Never happened. The White House later clarified he used to drive a school bus at one point for as a job briefly.

School bus, of course, not an 18 wheeler. So whatever his intentions, whether it's, you know, foggy memory about stuff that's going on decades ago or deliberate embellishment, this is an unfortunate pattern that keeps coming up again and again with Joe Biden. Foggy memory breakdown. No, that's not what's happening here with him. But, you know, he has inadvertently, I think, told us some very important truths. I saw this trending, and this is something that, you know, a bunch of people sent this. I thought, I've seen this clip before. I went back and looked, and yeah, I'd talked about this.

This came out in March of 2022. This is like, you know, a year and a half old, this clip, where Joe Biden is talking about the fourth turning and um what was sent to me uh one person several people sent this to me it started going big it's got about 30 or 40 000 views on a video platform they sent me the link to because this guy's done a whole um clip on on biden in 2022 talking about the fourth turning. And I told Karen this morning, I said, you know, I go to a ton of sites.

I have about four dozen sites that I go to to look for news. And a couple of them that I go to are Christian news sites because I want to see what's happening with Christian persecution. I want to get an idea of what is happening with the culture and the state of the church and other things like that. And so I'll also see articles at these sites that are targeted towards pastors. I don't consider myself to be a pastor, but I thought it was interesting what they had to say, because I've been told that by somebody who does this, not I didn't hire somebody as a consultant, but I've been told by someone who does this for a living. You just do way too much content. You got three hours worth of stuff that puts a lot of people off from even trying it. And I saw this article and this pastor

said, you know, we do our sermons and, and our sermons are maybe about 40 minutes long or something. You know, 40 minutes to an hour, but let's just say 40 minutes. And he said, and by the time people have gotten to their car, they've pretty much forgotten everything he had to say about it. He said, I realize it's going to be much more effective for me to do something on a regular basis. And so he said, I cut down the 40-minute sermon into 30 minutes, and I took that 10 minutes of content or other things that I would have done, and I separated that into little two-minute videos that I would post out to the mailing list and put on social media,

the people in his church, on a regular basis in the mornings. And I was telling Karen, I said, I really need to do that. Um, um, but in my particular case, I can't really cut it down because the time slot that we're in. So it'd just be additional work, but I really need to do that. I need to do it on sub stack because on Twitter, I'm, you know, I'm hidden by Musk and everything. it doesn't matter that i've got a you know 130 some odd thousand uh people on uh twitter and it's flatlined for years uh because i don't get any engagement anymore i need to get on a censorship free platform like substack and use their twitter like thing to do that on regular basis i say that to all you know jason barker angry tiger a lot of you know guard a lot of

people were doing it i think that's a more effective way for us to try to get the message out about what this is truly about. Uh, I just feel like it's, it's too jumbled with three hours of stuff. It was hard to get people to find the stuff. I laboriously tried to add time codes and go into detail about all the different topics that I covered in the description. And that's a, that's a lot of work too. So maybe it'd be better to do this. Uh, but anyway, I bring all that up because I couldn't believe that this thing is starting to go viral of what he said a year and a half ago and what I talked about a year and a half ago. And, um, people saying this to me, but listen to what he had to say about the fourth turning,

about the fourth turning that's going to establish the new world order. We are at an inflection point, I believe, in the world economy. Not just the world economy, in the world. It occurs every three or four generations. As one of the top military people said to me in a secure meeting the other day, 60 million people died between 1900 and 1946. And since then, we established a liberal world order, and that hadn't happened in a long while. A lot of people died, but nowhere near the chaos. And now is a time when things are shifting. There's going to be a new world order out there.

And we've got to lead it. We've got to unite the rest of the free world in doing it. So anyway. Yeah, that chaos that happened, things like the Great Depression or World War, part of that fourth turning, he's completely aware of this. And speaking off the cuff,

he inadvertently tells us the truth and that is really what we should be focused on these people know what's going you know it was Strauss and Howe who wrote the fourth turning their book generations that preceded that they were the ones who coined the term millennial everybody uses that term and all this you know generation x y and z and all this stuff that was their. All these people know about it, and they'll talk about the generational aspect of it. They're very focused on that. The government, the media, all these people. What they don't want to talk about is the central premise of it, that we are in the

middle of a fourth turning. We're in the middle of the biggest fourth turning that the world has ever seen. We've never seen every government in the world synchronized in terms of these cycles. And so every government is synchronized. They're all doing the same thing, just as they did with the pandemic. And of course, the fourth turning

did not begin with a pandemic. The fourth turning began with the 2008 mortgage meltdowns that happened. And Strauss and Howe had said that as well in the early 1990s. They said, and I've played the clip for you. I put that a little over a decade ago. I did a video about it. And they said, you know, sometime in the mid-2000s, there's going to be a global financial crisis crisis and that will kick off the fourth turning. And it will, this has always been characteristic of these fourth turnings. They said it will likely be accompanied with a war, just as the Great Depression, World War II prior to that, and the Industrial Revolution and Civil War prior to that, and the Revolutionary War prior to that.

And they said that this fourth turning will probably end around 2029. These people know exactly what is happening. We need to understand the times and the seasons that we're in. We need to understand what they understand. We need to understand what they seek to accomplish with this chaos and disruption from the inside as they're iteratively moving us to this dystopia that they want to have in place by 2030. Instead, we have Kevin McCarthy laying out evidence to launch a Biden impeachment inquiry because that's going to get lots of eyeballs and attention.

And it's going to be a way for these guys to grab the spotlight so they can retire in a couple of years and become Fox News commentators. And that way they won't have to worry about dismantling the medical martial law. They won't have to worry about dismantling the Patriot Surveillance Acts. They won't have to worry about the European Union'sot Surveillance Acts. They won't even have to worry about the European Union's DSA censorship that's being pushed on us. Anything that immediately affects us right now, just push that off to the side. Yes, we should have these crimes punished, but what about these other encroachments, these crimes against us directly? You know, the graft and the corruption of Biden, of Trump and these other people,

that should be punished. But nobody's looking to punish Trump for the crimes that he did during the pandemic. Nobody is looking at these encroachments that Biden is doing, his plans for a CBDC. No. And I just have to ask you, what difference is it going to make if the Republicans were to impeach Biden and remove him and put a new puppet in place? Lala Harris. Would that stop the CBDC rollout? No. Would that do anything to pull back the medical martial law, the Patriot Act? No, no. This is nothing but grandstanding in a game of thrones.

That is what's happening. Well, they keep us distracted from really understanding. Travis, pull up this picture of Matt Gates. This is an article from Esquire. Matt Gates just read Kevin McCarthy, the riot act on the house floor. And all you need to see is that picture of him. I like that.

Is this Jack Nicholson's Kubrick stare from, from the shining or something? I mean, that, and he's, this is what he's upset about. This is the riot act that he read Kevin McCarthy. We've had no vote on term limits or on balanced budgets.

Are you kidding me? That is 1990 problems, pal. You're going back to the 19th. We are way beyond that. We don't have you talking about the medical martial law that your hero Trump put in. Or these vaccines are still killing people. Yeah, and you go back to the 1990s.

What would happen in the 1990s? Well, in 1994, they had Gingrich's, you know, 10-point plan, you know, for a contract with America. And part of that was a line item veto. Gingrich supported that. Bill Clinton supported that. You know who opposed it and got it stopped? Rudy Giuliani as mayor.

He took that to court and got the courts to stop that. Rudy Giuliani, before he covered up the evidence for 9-11, he shut down the line item veto and then became an ally of Trump, as he always was at that time. Then he goes, and there's been no full release of the January 6 tapes and so forth. These are the problems that they're concerned with. They're not concerned with CBDC. They're not concerned with massive censorship.

They're not concerned with the UN 2030 agenda or the smart cities or the surveillance or the rest of this stuff. On and on and on. None of the existential, and I mean our very existence, none of these existential problems are even in his list of grievances. And so as this is all happening, a very interesting thing is happening in Iowa. Biden tumbled 19 points in Iowa as women and youth abandoned him. But the interesting thing is that those people did not go to RFK Jr. or to Marianne Williamson. And we see the same thing happening on the Republican side. You see that besides Biden, Trump has also dropped significantly in the polls.

And yet DeSantis and Pence also dropped. In other words, you're not, who is winning in all this? None of the above, or as they put it, undecided. Nobody likes Bush or, nobody likes Biden or Trump, and nobody likes the alternatives either. What are you going to do about that? Well, nothing really. You know, focus on your local elections. That's the key issue.

So as these people, we used to call it none of the above. And we used to always say that in the Libertarian Party. We said there needs to be a none of the above on the ballot. And if none of the above wins, that means you hold a new election with all new candidates and those people who were just on the ballot, they can't run this next time. Uh, but that's not what's going to happen. That's what people would like to see happen. Uh, Chris Sununu, governor of New Hampshire. So the quiet part out loud, you know, he's hated for his opposition to Trump and he does oppose trump but he is spot on with what he had to say about

this he said uh trump has to answer for making anthony fauci the voice of covet 19. now what he did not say and what i've tried to stress over and over again i've played the clip over and over again i won't play it for you now because we've got some stuff I want to cover before our guests come on. But, you know, Trump campaigned and put together a clip of Fauci saying, yeah, he did what I told him to, over and over again. Trump campaigned on his obedience to Fauci. So he was talking on this Sunday show, ABC's This Week. Sununu was asked about Chris Christie. He says, well, his poll numbers are surging through the roof in New Hampshire

where he's putting time in on the ground. He connects with folks. Again, he's a governor, right? He said, I tend to be pretty partial to governors because what the White House needs more than ever is true executive leadership. And usually the governors have a leg up on anybody else who's running. People who are running as a congressman or as a senator, they've not had the executive experience.

And so usually governors do better. They said someone who kind of says the buck stops here. The biggest problem that a lot of us Republican governors, going back to your first question, have with the former president. He doesn't mention him by name. Let's say Trump. The problem that we had with the former president was Fauci. Every day we were on those calls and every day Fauci was there. And a lot of us were saying, Mr. President, when are you going to get rid of Fauci? He never did. He kept putting him out there as the voice of America on this stuff. And he's got to be held accountable to that. Frankly, a lot of folks in the base aren't

forgetting those types of things. Too many are, or they explain it away. Even the people like Wayne Allen Root and Alex Jones who hate Fauci, They don't hold Trump accountable for being Fauci's puppet. And it was his own people at his own rallies. It wasn't just the governors who were saying this, as Chris Sununu was saying on conference calls. It was at Trump's rallies where people were saying, fire Fauci, fire Fauci. I don't know. We'll see.

We'll see. Maybe after they'll vote for me. And what did he do? On his last day in office, he didn't pardon the January Sixers. He gave Fauci a medal. Yeah. So on a rumble,

Ubermind says, Trump hasn't breathed a word about the second amendment, even after the New Mexico governor's insanity. That's right. That's right. That's a good point. I had not talked about it. I'll mention that with our guest coming up here. People support Trump in spite of his appointments. Definitely not because of them. You pretty much have to ignore his picks if you're a Trump supporter. He picked John Bolton, Nikki Haley, et cetera. As a matter of fact, yeah, Nikki Haley is like, oh yeah,

don't pull out of Ukraine. Give them more money. It'd be a big mistake. Even as Zelensky has these not so veiled threats that if we lose a war in Ukraine, you're going to have a lot of Ukrainians who are spread throughout the European Union as refugees who might just turn into terrorists. Yeah, that's a not-so-veiled threat.

So in about 10 minutes, our guest is going to be joining us. Let me take a real quick break, and there's still some things that I want to talk about very briefly before he joins us. We'll be right back. Using free speech to free minds. It's the David Knight Show. You know, I said earlier, I said, you know, when you look at what a cesspool we have become, sexually, culturally, militarily uh pushing the surveillance state

and being at the epicenter of running this stuff out pushing the trump shots globally and all the rest of this stuff and i referred to sodom and gomorrah i said god's going to have to apologize to sodom and gomorrah if he doesn't destroy this country well there's been some interesting biblical archaeology here. Scientists, and this is from the Daily Star, scientists previously found evidence that the ancient city of Tal el-Hammam in the southern Jordan Valley was destroyed by a catastrophic event. Dr. John Bergsma, a professor of theology at Ohio's Franciscan University, suggests that such an event mirrors what is in the Bible.

With Sodom and Gomorrah, he says the evidence of extreme heating on skeletons. You want to talk about directed energy weapons? Yeah, God's got some of those, doesn't he? You better believe it. Evidence of extreme heating on skeletons and fragments of pottery found by archaeologists could be proof of a direct hit, he says, from an asteroid or whatever. About 3,600 years ago, the city of Tal el-Hammam was thriving significantly larger and more powerful than Jerusalem or Jericho,

but then it vanished almost overnight. The absence of any arrowheads or any other signs of a siege in the ruins suggests that whatever destroyed the city and its neighborhood was not a military attack. He discovered pieces of pottery discovered on site had been covered in trinitite. Trinitite is that glass layer that you get when you set off an atomic bomb in the desert

and it melts the sand. You've always heard people say, well, you know, they're angry about, I remember Iran when they took the hostages, just need to nuke that place. Yeah, turn that place into glass, you know. Well, that's what it does when you set off an atomic bomb. You get trinitite, a glass layer, and the desert as the sand is melted into glass. And that's what they found at this site where Sodom and Gomorrah is said to have been. They also started to find some human remains, but it wasn't exactly what you would expect. Human skeletons that are complete up until about halfway up the backbone.

Then there is a scorch mark and there's nothing left on the top part of the body. They find massive evidence that a huge heat blast from the sky at about 25 C above the horizon incinerated those twin cities on the Jordanian side of the river. Stephen Collins liked the devastation to the Tunguska event, the one that happened in Siberia.

They believe a massive asteroid slammed into the earth there over Siberia. The proposed airburst was larger, however, at this site of Sodom and Gomorrah than the 1908 explosion over Siberia, where a 50-meter-wide bolide detonated with a thousand times more energy than the Hiroshima atomic bomb. The airburst also appeared to have produced large amounts of

salt, according to James Kennett, Emeritus Professor of Earth Science at the University of California. And, of course, salt was a big part of this, right? Lot's wife, you have the Dead Sea there. They said the salt was thrown up due to the high impact pressure. And it may be that the impact partially hit the Dead Sea, which is rich in salt. Or maybe even it was the other way around.

Who knows? Dr. Bergsman is convinced, saying, it really changed my perspective on the Old Testament map, because what it pointed out to me is things that sounded too outlandish to be history actually shown to be a historical event. And we've seen this over and over and over. Brian and Deb McCartney said? Do a divine energy weapon. Yeah, that's right. That's what you need to worry about. You know, over and over again. And when you go back and you look, and I've mentioned this briefly before, you go back and you look at, you know, some of the Dutch paintings in the 1700s and 1600s and things like that, where they would do, depict biblical scenes, you you know like abraham or whatever and they would put them in clothing they knew nothing about the

time and the culture they'd done no study no archaeology they didn't know what the floor and the fauna looked like in the middle east uh they didn't even paint in pictures of pyramids or anything like that when they would do these Old Testament vignettes and stuff. They would show them as Europeans in contemporary dress and so forth. And there's complete, total ignorance about it. And it wasn't until about the 1820s and really the middle of the 1800s that they really started doing archaeology. all the archaeology became biblical archaeology they would look at the bible and say well the bible says this happened this was there as a matter of fact before darwin came out with evolution the major attack against the bible as being a bunch of fables was to attack it and say well there's no such there's no evidence of these tribes called the Hittite tribes and stuff like that.

That's one of the things that I wanted to show my young sons when we went to the UK, went to the British Museum, and said, all right, look at the biblical archaeology that's here. Look at all the things that they found. Look at the massive relief panels that are up there about Sennacherib invading Judea and the rest of that. Look at the information about the Hittites. Even going over to another area, it said, this is this little tiny, relatively, it was massive, bigger than this room, but a little portion of the pedestal of one of the columns of the Temple of Diana in Ephesus that is written about

an axe and how did they find these things well once they find one point of reference or they go that they start they said well it says that in the narrative that he went from this place to that place so we know where this place is so let's follow this and yeah well we hold you find this other thing over there and so you know you have that type of thing. And it truly was staggering to imagine if that was just like a pie section of the bottom of the pillar. It was just one of the pillars in the Temple of Diana in Ephesus.

Imagine how big that was. And imagine that when you've paul coming into a city and he says um and you got all these merchants who are set up selling diana merchandise it's kind of like all the people in media who set up selling trump merchandise you come in and say no this is a false God. They came after him big time. So I think it's very interesting to see this stuff. But, you know, that was ancient times. And now we're going back to medieval times, says the Finnish politician. This is a person who had high office in Finland, and she made the mistake,

although it wasn't a mistake, and I'm sure she would do it again. She engaged in a conversation on social media when the church that she was a member of started pushing the LGBT agenda. She said, well, you know, the Bible says that's a sin. And they came after her. The Finnish politician who recently faced her second trial, she was found not guilty the first time, because she shared her biblical views on sexuality, describes her legal nightmare as absurd, crazy, and akin to medieval times. Yes, that's where we're going.

We're going back to the Dark Ages, aren't we? You know, the slogan that they had in Latin after the dark ages, post tenebrous lux, after darkness light. You know where we are today? We could sum this up by saying where we're headed is going to be post lux tenebrous, after the light darkness is coming, if we don't stop this, if we don't wake people up. She said, it was absurd. It was crazy that I had to defend the biblical truth and my interpretation about the Bible, my faith, my beliefs in front of judges, she said. It is like medieval times. The prosecutor said, it's not important what's true or not, but the interpretation is if somebody feels insulted,

well, that's not even true. It depends on who is insulted. Is it going to be the people who have the most privilege, who have the power, the people like LGBT? You know, they're the ones who have been put in a position of privilege and power. You must not insult them. That is a religion that is being pushed on us by our government. And this religious persecution is coming now to the West. Let me just say before we run out of time, that in Armenia, I've had this on my desk to talk about quite a bit,

there is a massive situation that's been developing for quite some time. As a matter of fact, the original term genocide was used to refer to the Turkish attacks on the Armenian Christians. And that was a Jewish commentator or historian who came up with that, genocide. And it's going on again now. They've cut off a lot of people in a Christian community, the area of Nagorno-Karabakh, and they have, and it is a siege. They're trying to starve them out, and it looks like they're going to be pretty successful about it. And, of course, our government is not interested at all.

Why? Because of any group. They can get excited about the Uyghurs in China because they're Muslim. And certainly we should get excited about that. We should oppose what China is doing to the Uyghurs. But they always turn a blind eye to what China is doing to the Christians, for example.

And they certainly turn a blind eye to what is going on with the Armenians in Nagorno-Karabakh. But she said, this is not a court that should decide what the right interpretation of the Bible is and what is not a right interpretation. Because I think that this kind of interpretation of discussions, it is not the court who starts to teach about the Bible or to discuss what is its right interpretation. And again, we have gotten to this point because, you know, not because we're so liberal-minded, not because we learned something from history to say, well, you know, if we attack these

other people, even though we're in the majority, if we attack this other religion and, you know, tell them that they can't follow their conscience, history has shown that when things change and we're in the minority, they're going to come after us. So for our own good, we're going to protect the liberty of other people. As I've said many times, liberty is the one thing that you cannot have unless you give it to other people. But it's not out of that kind of enlightenment that we've had these types of things. They have been just coasting and that's been out of our neglect. Uh, the fact that we don't take these things seriously, it's like, oh, religion. I don't care. Even talk about that. Sure. Say whatever you want. I don't care. But now

they do care because they've now adopted a Sodom and Gomorrah religion. And this religion is based around what they want to be free to do. You know, we have a candidate who's running for state office. I think it was in Virginia. She was selling webcam videos by request of her and her husband having sex. And you could, you know, she would perform whatever kind of weird special request that you had. I mean, it was a long list of things that I'm not going to talk about. And as she's running for office, a state legislator, legislative office,

she is a nurse. She didn't try to say that it was medical illustrations. She didn't try to come up with an excuse. I mean, this is like Madeleine Albright asked, do you realize that your sanctions killed a half a million kids? Yeah, they work. I don't care.

You know, that type of thing. It was worth it. She said, well, this person is not only unashamed of it. You know, anybody else would just kind of crawl on a rock and say, oh, I can't believe it. You know, but no, this is the kind of person who she was doing this for quite some time. Obviously she has no shame. And so her response is to say, we're going to come after these people who talk about this because they're committing sexual assault against me.

Seriously? We have an example here of two of the world's oldest professions. And I'm not sure which one is older than the other, but usually the politicians don't become full-on prostitutes until after they get elected. Yes, I know H.L. Mencken said an election is an advanced auction of stolen goods, but usually they don't get to this level of corruption until they get elected. But that's where we are in this country. Do you understand? When you can have somebody like that who absolutely has no shame in what she does, no shame when she is exposed, and then goes on the attack.

We've turned into the United States of Sodom. That's what we've turned into. So this legislator in Finland says, it would start the time of persecution of Christians in Finland if I'm convicted. She said, many lawyers agree with me, and then it would have ramifications for other European countries. This is the collapse of the West. It truly is the collapse of the West. Our values of Western civilization, of tolerance, of the rule of law, of innocence and presumption of innocence until proven guilty, of due process, no excessive punishment,

as well as our concepts of a war, a just war, a war that must be justified by being a defensive war, a war that is fought to try to minimize civilian casualties, a war that has a clear ending point. And that ending point is when there's no more danger to people. You break it off. You stop it. All of these things are disappearing because we've lost our Christian foundation to this stuff. She says, I pray that this would wake up Christians to be courageous, to open up about their faith

and about their worship. I hope it would also encourage people to read the Bible. And so I pray for an awakening of our society. That's the key thing. And so you have, as we look at how these people have dominated everything, Chloe Cole, who has been around for several months, she was a young girl who had been pressured into surgery

and other things like that with the LGBT transitioning. And so as she has been out talking around, she has now had Instagram censor her account. I have been censored by the big tech overlords at Instagram, she said. She is still only 19 years old. She had these hormonal treatments and surgical procedures when she was only 13 years old. She had these hormonal treatments and surgical procedures when she was only 13 years old. Now that she understands what has been done, and now that she is speaking out against the horrific practices, Instagram, owned by Zuckerberg, like Facebook, is censoring her, claiming that she's violated their guidelines on violence.

Violence. No, the violence was done to her. CBN News has reported that she is suing Kaiser Permanente Health Care System for administering her transgender treatments. She alleges that the doctors and the medical staff there convinced her that she and her parents, both she and her parents, that such radical treatments would be life-saving and was the only way to treat the dysphoria that she said she was feeling. And so as we look at this, the question is, and some people ask,

in the wake of what is happening in Finland, is this kind of criminalization and persecution of Christianity, is that, that we see now overseas, is that coming to America next? Or then the question is, is it already here? Is it already here? And that may be the means by which we have a reawakening, you understand. It may be that the church has to first be purged of the people who don't really take this stuff

seriously, for whom it is a paycheck and a grift. And, you know, the church in China is a good example of that. On fan. Harp says, David, look at all the world's fairs from 1880s forward. What happened with all those wonderful buildings? Were they real? Hmm. I don't, well, I, you know, I mean, we have, uh, I'm not really sure what you mean in the question. Maybe you need to explain that a little bit more. I know from, uh, 1880s, we still have remnants of them. You know, they had a world's fair in Knoxville. That was really just a shadow of what they had been.

Uh, Karen and I stopped by that one year on our way from Texas to visit her family in New York. Uh, and there's still some evidence of some of those things that are there. Um, my parents went on their honeymoon to the 1939 world's fair. And, um, you know, there's, um, not much left of those buildings. I think it might be one or two. Um, Karen, I both went cause my parents went back in 1964, that big world's fair in 1964. Uh, that was where a lot of the things that became the foundation of disney world were there it's a small world uh lincoln it was the illinois because you would have uh individual american states as well

as countries would set up exhibits there uh i remember the belgian waffles thing that was something that was new and stuck on ice cream was introduced i think in in the Chicago World's Fair. But Karen's dad, as I said, my parents went on their honeymoon. Karen's dad, on his 10th birthday, he was there at that World's Fair in 1939. And his family was from Poland. And that was the day that Poland was invaded by Germany. And they turned the lights out on the Polish thing. And that was a really vivid memory for him as it was invaded. So, yeah, I don't really know. Harps, you might want to tell me exactly what you were coming after.

But, yeah, when we look at the World's Fairs, those have kind of been pushed to the side by Disney World and Universal Studios and all the rest of these things. We're going to take a quick break and then we're going to be right back. We're having trouble connecting with Guy. So we've got plenty to talk about, even if we don't have Guy coming on with us. But we're going to take a quick break and try to make connection with him. And we'll be right back. ¶¶ © BF-WATCH TV 2021 liberty it's your move and now now the David Knight show. All right, welcome back. Let's talk a little bit about money. And of course, last week I had an interview with Axel Kaiser, um, to my, uh, chagrin. I was calling him Alex though, because when I print out, uh, emails, they have very,

very tiny print and I don't like to change it because then I forget to change it back. And then I print out the articles and they're flowing off the page as long story with this thing. And so I just kind of glanced and I didn't think Axel's a very unusual name. He's part German and, uh, uh, actually from German descendants, but he's living in Chile. And, um, but his name is Axel, uh, Kaiser. And, uh And he wrote the book 15 economic lessons is only about 120 pages long. As he points out, it's not a lot of complicated math. Like you would typically see, you know, uh, uh, with a rigorous, uh, academic paper. That is typically what most economists produce and said, he decided that he was going to

produce a very simple thing, 120 pages, 15 lessons, to explain the difference between free markets and socialism. And it is one of the most popular books in Latin America. It is the number one best-selling economics book in Latin America, and he's just translated it into English. And so I thought it was kind of interesting to see what is happening with what is going on in Argentina. And when I saw that, I thought, oh, if it's so popular in Latin America, I bet that this guy who just won the initial election, there's going to have to be a runoff in Argentina. The guy who is a radical libertarian who wants to get rid of the

central bank there and wants to get rid of the central bank there and wants to get rid of their currency and to dollarize it. I said, I bet he's had an influence on that guy. Turns out as we talked, he knows him. They've been friends for a very long time. So that was kind of interesting. And then I saw this article here made me want to go back and revisit this. By the way, if you did not see that interview, it's an excellent interview because, and I'm not saying because I did it, but the information that he has is really good. He gave us an idea of what it is like to live in a place where you've got 150% inflation. And, you know, you talk about carrying around a wheelbarrow of currency in the Weimar Republic to go buy bread or something like that. Well, a similar thing is happening, except they've now had this cottage industry of entrepreneurs have set up a way to deliver your cash just in time in a big suitcase.

You know, if you're doing something like the example he gave with somebody checking into a luxury hotel, they all take the cash, but, you know, you don't want to carry around all that cash with you. So they got a service that you can pay to bring the cash in. They hand it to them, take it in the back. They got all these currency counters like you would have at a bank or a casino or something like that. And that's the way people operate because they still want to operate with cash. And they understand how important that is for their privacy. So this article from Zero Hedge Argentina, is dollarization viable and urgent?

Or rather, not is it, but dollarization is viable and is urgent. Not a question, it's a statement. The viability of a currency change and the loss of monetary sovereignty are frequently discussed in the argument over dollarization in Argentina. But the most crucial aspect is sometimes overlooked. And that is that the peso is a failed currency.

And so at this point in time, the American dollar, despite all the dishonesty and all the rest of the stuff, is the standard that they would go to. But we have to be concerned about what could happen in this country. Because quite frankly, the dishonesty and a lot of the patterns that you see that have happened in Argentina to get them to this place are many things that are already present in our country. So first of all, the peso is a failed currency. Why? Well, first, there are more than 10 bogus peso exchange rates. As I pointed out many times, Jim Rogers, who used to be one of the people who helped make George Soros rich, he was one of his financial advisors and marketers,

I think. He doesn't have anything to do with politics as a matter of fact jim rogers is a leans more towards libertarian or conservative position on issues but um you know his book um where he went around the world and uh uh looked at uh economic conditions and kind of commented on it. And he said, you know, you can tell how corrupt a country is by the spread between the black market rate of their currency and what the official currency rate is. And so by that measure, Argentina is really out there. Ten different peso exchange rates. And as I point out in this one, they say the dollar blue is the closest approach to real exchange rate that represents the real value of the currency. And just as Alex,

or I'm doing it again, Axel Kaiser said, they don't talk about a black market. They talk about a blue market. So what they're talking about here, when they say the dollar blue, they're talking about here when they say the dollar blue, they're talking about the black market dollar value. They said the demand for pesos on the domestic and foreign markets is also almost non-existent. In other words, no country wants to trade with them and their currency anyway. And so they always have to change it into something else. And so the question is, as he looks at it in this article, are they going to change it to the dollar, or are they going to change it to the Chinese yuan?

He says, and then third, the central bank has issued remunerated debt that exceeds 12% of GDP, which is a massive financial time bomb. In five years, the monetary base has grown by 1,050%, an impending monetary bomb. You see, now this is starting to look like the United States. The massive printing of money, the so-called quantitative easing, the massive spending of money, the trillions and trillions that have been spent by Trump and then by Biden.

But Maile is the guy in Argentina. He is looking at, as he said, I don't believe that the Federal Reserve is an honest account. It's just all these central banks he said are corrupt, but this happens to be the most stable of the currencies right now. And so in this article, Azir Hedge, they said, why monetary sovereignty is desired is a question that we have to ask ourselves. It's a good question. You know, in other words, why do you even have a central bank? And that was a question that when the founding fathers put this together,

they did not want to have the government issuing currency, issuing paper. They had come off of the experience of paper currencies being issued by their government during the Revolutionary War, the continental dollar. And as a result, there was this this phrase he's not worth a continental in other words it's worthless they did not want to see that happen again so what they said was that the um uh you know they talked about how they were going to coin um gold and silver but they they were not going to set the value of anything they were not going to issue paper money. That was by design, based on their experience. And so we had people like Alexander Hamilton,

who wanted to have a government bank. But that's about monetary sovereignty. The alleged monetary sovereignty in Argentina has only contributed to widespread corruption, to poverty, to massive devaluation of the peso. And that's what's happened everywhere with these central banks. Corruption, poverty, massive devaluation.

Instead of having this paper currency, there needs to be the honesty of just, well, we'll just coin gold and silver. We'll help to facilitate this trade by doing that. Argentina's government and central bank lack legitimacy and demand as currency issuers. And as a result, they lack sovereignty. Isn't that ironic?

Because they want to have more control, they create the central bank, but then that very instrumentation takes away their sovereignty he said you might assume that by switching to a new administration they could remedy this but the evidence demonstrates that as soon as the populist measures are reinstated the monetary imbalance spirals out of control once more given that the perpetual devaluation makes citizens more dependent and more captive of political power, the issue with monetary sovereignty is that it grants control over the supply of currency to those who stand to gain from its depreciation, namely politicians and, of course, the central bankers.

Some people don't seem to comprehend that the peso, rather than the dollar or the yuan, is the problem, and that Chinese businesses and governments will not accept pesos for their international transactions. Argentina's export potential and its access to free and open international financial systems makes dollarization relatively simple. China has capital controls and does not accept pesos as a security. Yuanizing instead of dollarizing would be significantly more challenging, but doing so would require the same fiscal and trade adjustments that I mentioned. So he says, so what about gold?

He said implementing a gold standard would help, but it's not an option for Argentina. Why? Because they don't have any. They don't have any gold reserves. There is no confidence in the issuer of pesos to believe that it would truly be backed by gold reserves.

You know, we have betrayed that confidence over and over again in the U.S., right? And so inflationary impoverishment incentive can only be stopped by dollarization. More poverty and inflation will likely result from not dollarizing. So there's not really anything we can do in terms of our central banks. We can't fix this problem, but we can make sure that like Argentina, we are not caught without a gold reserve. So again,

go to davidknight.gold. Don't fall into that trap personally. Do what you can to stay out of that trap. And we now have a guy who is on the line and we're going to take a quick break and go to him. I see a comment here from guard Goldsmith. Hey guard. Good to see you there.

He says, listening to you cover these key breaking stories and the principles tied to them helps fuel the fire to defend liberty. David. Well, thank you very much. That's kind. My copy of his book arrived yesterday.

Good, good. Thanks for making each day better. better yeah it is a book that i think is going to be very instrumental here in america as i said you know that um uh axel um axel's book there in um in latin america i said it has really kind of become 15 economic lessons uh just look it up that way and the guy's name is Axel Kaiser I said it looks to me like it really has touched off a revolution and thinking in the same way that Thomas Paine's common sense did in this country and that's

what we really need we need to have our revolutionary mindset with this stuff so we're gonna take a quick break and we're going to come back with the gun guy, Guy Relford, and we're going to talk about the recent things that have happened with the Second Amendment. And it's been a very busy couple of weeks with the Second Amendment. We'll be right back. Terima kasih telah menonton! Thank you. You're listening to The David Knight Show. The David Knight Show.

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He is also the author of Gun Safety and Cleaning for Dummies. He is also the host of The Gun Guy with Guy Relford on WIBC Radio in Indiana, and you can find that at wibc.com. It airs on Saturdays from 5 to 7, and it's on 93.1 FM if you're in Indiana, but, of course, you can also find it on the Internet. So glad to have Guy return. We've talked to him before, but thanks for joining us, Guy. I know.

It's always a pleasure and an honor to be here, David. Well, thank you. Let's begin by the big story that everybody's talking about. I've talked about it some this week as well. What is happening in New Mexico with the so-called public health emergency? What I've been talking about, the danger of medical martial law and how this is metastasizing to everything. What has been done by Governor Grisham in New Mexico, your comments about that? Yeah, this, this is interesting from a number of different perspectives. First of all, as we've, we've seen mayors, governors,

even the president talk about in the past, what they can't get done in the legislature. There's a move really, I think with the lessons of covid behind us um a lot of folks have said hey i know uh we'll just declare so-called gun violence or violence generally or crime uh a public health emergency and then we can use executive agencies whether it's an order like this from a governor or even we've seen it discussed with local health departments saying, well, we'll declare emergency orders responding to a public health crisis and use that really as a pretense for curtailing Second Amendment rights.

And that's exactly what we're seeing in New Mexico, where this governor, Governor Grisham has come out and said, well, there's been a lot of crime in and around Albuquerque. So she is governor under a, you know, again, the guise of a public health emergency is saying all open and concealed public carry of firearms is hereby forbidden. It's now illegal in Albuquerque. And, you know, that's now punishable with a very large fine, ostensibly. And again, it's just a complete backdoor move to get around what people can't get done legislatively. They'll think they can get done through the so-called public health emergency. Yeah. And of course, the AMA has been angling for this for quite some time and saying, you know, this is a real health emergency and we need to address it as such.

And so they've been laying that foundation quietly. But what I think is interesting about this guy is the fact that she's been opposed by Democrats there in Albuquerque. The mayor, the police chief, you got the sheriff even, uh, is, is saying it. And the sheriff was somebody that, um, if I understand correctly, it was, uh, supported by every town, you know, big Bloomberg gun control thing. So you've got, um, you know, uh, the, the police chief, the mayor, uh, the, um, uh, sheriff, and you've also got the district attorney that's there. They're all saying, we're not doing any of this stuff. And then you've got the people who showed up and said, showed up with guns on their hips or slung over their shoulder and said, we're not going to comply with this.

And of course, they did not get the $5,000 fine that Grisham wants them to get. Well, that's exactly right. Because all the law enforcement personnel out there, exactly as you just mentioned, they all know this is unconstitutional. And listen, there's absolutely no doubt about that. Just last June, June of 2022, Supreme Court in the Bruin decision, and you and I have talked about that, David, I know you're well-versed in it, but in the Bruin decision, the Supreme Court of the United States said that New York's licensing scheme, which simply prohibited some law-abiding protect yourself in public, that that was unconstitutional. So I want to know what lawyer on this governor's staff, with the Bruin decision, said, well, let's see, the Supreme Court just said that prohibiting some law-abiding citizens from

carrying a gun in public is unconstitutional. We can surely get away with prohibiting all law-abiding citizens from carrying a gun in public. And I actually, in response to her announcement when she first came out with this, she announced it, among other places, on Twitter or X, whatever we're calling it these days. And I responded to her announcement, I and I said we really need to read New York State Rifle and Pistol Association versus Bruin and then a parenthetical I put were the lawyers on your staff absent that they they taught law in law school and and I think it's a legitimate question because nobody can read the Bruin decision and think that this order from a governor, at least they were responding to a law enacted by duly elected representatives in a state legislature in New York.

Here, it's just an executive fiat from a governor. And who can read this and think it passes muster, especially with a Bruin decision just came down barely over a year ago um it it it would boggle my mind if i hadn't seen uh this bad or worse coming from uh liberal politicians that's right and and yet of course you know we've seen the same type of thing you mentioned it'd be bad enough if it was a law that was created by state legislature but then they would have at least gone through and i mean yet that's what we're seeing you know We're seeing that type, this increasing move to authoritarianism, to absolutism. She famously said that none of our rights are absolute. And I replied to that and I said, well, if none of our rights are absolute, that means that our government is absolutist, that it gets to do whatever it wishes. And we've

started to see this. I mean, you go back and you look at the bump stock precedent that Trump put in where he said, well, I'm going to do executive, I'm going to do executive, uh, gun control. I'm not even going to wait for the Congress to infringe on your, um, second amendment rights. And immediately after he did that, uh, Lala Harris came out and said, choose campaigning for president. She said, well, if I'm president, I'm going to give Congress a hundred days to enact my gun control legislation, and then I'll do it by executive order. And I said, see, that's what happens when you set up these precedents. And, you know, they're really, it's, they just completely ignore the infringement aspect of it because everything pretty much that the ATF does is an infringement of our second

amendment rights, but then they don't even bother to go through a legislative process. because everything pretty much that the ATF does is an infringement of our Second Amendment rights. But then they don't even bother to go through a legislative process. We have gun control without representation even is what's going on. No, you're precisely right. And I'm glad you bring up the bump stock situation because when that happened, obviously it was right after the Las Vegas shooting, and people were really worried about the ramifications of that and what legislatures, including Congress, were going to do in reaction to that horrific shooting in Las Vegas. But when President Trump came out and announced that through ATF rulemaking, he was going to make bump stocks illegal.

And I remember the announcement. He said, that's it. Bump stocks are gone. I've told the ATF, you know he was going to make bump stocks illegal. And I remember the announcement, he said, that's it, bump stocks are gone. I've told the ATF that bump stocks are gone. As soon as that happened, a lot of reaction from people, even on our side of the Second Amendment debate came out and said, well, we don't really care about bump stocks. And I couldn't agree more with that. Bump stocks are stupid. If somebody has a bump stock on their rifle and they would come to my range, I would make fun of them. And so he said, well, we this case, the ATF, to institute gun control, again, by executive fiat. That is a dangerous precedent. We do not want this set. This is going to have ramifications that go way beyond bump stocks that nobody really cares about.

And that has certainly played out to be true. It's played out to be true with so-called pistol braces. ATF now has banned with their so-called ghost gun regulations. That is exactly the same thing. And it will happen over and over again. That's why that precedent was so scary and so dangerous and i enthusiastically voted for president trump in two general elections i would do so again given the the alternatives um but that was that was horrible for second amendment rights and it's had really negative ramifications since then and it's being picked up exactly to your point david uh by governors now uh who think well, that's it. All I have to do is say there's a compelling enough need and I can ignore legislative process and ignore the Constitution. And this notion of, you know, well, constitutional rights are not absolute, so I can do what I want to do is deeply offensive to me. And I respond to that publicly all the time and a lot of this comes out of it comes out of Justice Scalia's opinion in the Heller case you know in 2008 when for the first

time the Supreme Court announced that uh yes the Second Amendment does uh protect an individual right to bear arms that's not dependent on participation in a government-sponsored military unit, quote-unquote militia, and it does in fact protect an individual right to bear arms. That was the great thing about that decision. But in language that a lot of us call dicta, in other words, not an essential part of the decision, he says, listen, this ruling should not be read to do away with certain longstanding limitations on Second Amendment rights, because we're not saying that the right to bear arms, although it's an individual right, is unrestricted.

And people have said, aha, there you go. It's not unrestricted, so we can restrict it in any way we want. But listen, that's where the Bruin case also gave us great clarity just last June, because in that decision, it says, how do we decide what restrictions are constitutional and what are not and it says that's based on the text of the particular constitutional right in the as written in the bill of rights and then the history and tradition of regulation of that right since the founding of this country and on in on that score and by the way i unlike uh the supreme court i believe constitutional rights are absolute yes uh and and and and and unfortunately

spring court simply disagrees with me on that point but there's still a test even according to the the supreme court precedent and that's text history and tradition and that's very clear now and again in the bruin decision they said based on the Second Amendment text what it means what it protects and the Heller gave us clarity on that and then the history and tradition of the regulation of carrying firearms in public a restriction on even some law-abiding citizens not being able to carry in public violates our Second Amendment rights so yes okay the Supreme Court says the Second Amendment is not completely unrestricted, but that doesn't mean the governor can make up whatever restrictions she wants. And the

particular registration, excuse me, the particular limitation that she's put in place unquestionably is unconstitutional, according to Supreme Court standards. It's very clearly set out very recently. Yeah, I agree with you. And you go back and look at Scalia, what he came up with that and that decision where he says it's an individual right. He finally came to terms with the phrase right of the people. Yeah. It's like, oh, is that what that means? It means the right of people.

Is that what it really means? But he would not come to terms with the word infringement. But as you point out, if you go back and you look at the text, and if you look at the history and all the rest of this stuff, we understand what militia meant. And if you look at the text and you look at the context of the Bill of Rights, you see that except for the Ninth and Tenth Amendment, which are clarifying the relationship of the people and the states to the federal government and the restrictions on the federal government, but the first aid are all about the individual.

It's not talking about the free speech of some group. It's not talking about, you know, the right of due process of some group. It's all about individuals. And so, you know, it truly was an amazing prevarication for them to maintain it that long that it wasn't an individual right of the people, I think. But that's one of the key things. It's the precedent that's there. Let's talk a little bit about what do you think is going to happen at this point since everybody has turned against her, even David Hogg. Even David Hogg said, you don't get to suspend the

Constitution by declaring medical emergency. I was like, wow, he finally said something I agree with, and he said it very succinctly. So everybody has turned against her, including him. And as Jonathan Turley has said, so what is the issue here with her saying, I'm only going to do this for 30 days? To me, it looks like this two weeks to flatten the curve thing that they're going to extend forever. What do you think is going to happen with this? We've got two lawsuits that have been filed. Yes.

National Association of Gun Rights and Dudley Brown. And then you've got Gun Owners of America, Eric Pratt have filed these lawsuits. What do you think is going to happen with that? Since nobody's going to enforce it, it's going to just sit there and wait until there's a challenge, right? Yeah, I think, first of all, it's going to be completely ignored because when law enforcement has already, as you already mentioned, has come out and said, we're not enforcing this, then what's the inducement for anybody to comply with it if the police aren't going to enforce it? I don't think that the mayor and her chief

of staff are going to be running around issuing $5,000 tickets to gun owners. Who were carrying a gun at the time, by the way. Yeah, right. Exactly. So I don't think it's going to be enforced. But in the meantime, I think the litigation is going to be successful. I'm not a huge fan of Dudley Brown for other reasons I won't go into. But I think the Good Owners of America suit, certainly, and probably the NAGR suit are going to be successful. And I think that she'll get beat up pretty good in the courts. And this idea of, well, it doesn't really matter because it's temporary and that's like that's like saying the police without a warrant um can can kick down my door

with with with no uh justification whatsoever and no warrant um and they can say well it's not really a violation of your fourth amendment rights because we're not going to stay long uh you know after you get your door in i mean does it does that make sense to anybody um and you you know, after you kicked your door in. I mean, does that make sense to anybody? And, you know, you can't say, oh, well, you know, we're going to torture people to death, but that's not a violation of the Eighth Amendment because we'll get it done really quickly. It'll be over soon. Don't worry. And that's part of what we've seen from Scalia in the past. You know, when he got to the Fourth Amendment on things like, you know, TSA searches and stuff like that, you know, he was, again, he was kind of, where is he coming from? He just kind of shoved it to the side.

I mean, it was, um, you know, I don't really care what the language is there. That, and that's the problem. You know, as I've said many times, you know, we have a Republican presidents and he's like, oh, it's going to be good. They're going to appoint good people. Uh, the Democrats will always appoint statists, uh, to, that's reliable. But as far as Republicans go, their appointments are kind of like a box of chocolates, as Forrest Gump would say, you never know what you're going to get. That's right. That's the perfect metaphor.

But you know, I hope that we get a ruling, and listen, if this just is handled in the trial courts and doesn't go any further, then we won't necessarily get an appellate decision that does us a lot of good. But in a perfect world, I'd like to see a judicial decision that says very clearly that constitutional rights don't disappear in an emergency, quote unquote. We got some of those rulings, and I cheered these on in the context of COVID, when really under First Amendment free exercise of religion arguments, you know, some people who were denied their ability to go to the church or the synagogue

or the temple of their choice and worship the way they wanted during COVID. And we had a church here in Indianapolis that defied local orders, defied the local health department. And they said, listen, we're going to get together and we're going to worship as we choose to worship. And the police were in the parking lot, turning people away from the door who were simply going to worship in the church of their choice. And by the way, that is now my church. And I'll be directly involved if anything like that ever unfolds again. But at any rate, you know, but we got we got this we got decisions uh across the country it didn't go that far here but we got decisions across the country that said listen um there's no there's no built-in exceptions uh in the bill of rights to accept during an emergency or accept during a public health crisis um constitutional rights

are constitutional rights and and and when they shall not be infringed that means shall not be infringed and that includes during an emergency quote unquote and i'd love to see a judicial decision that says that very strongly that can be applied more broadly than just a second amendment would apply to the free exercise of religion or would apply to the right to peaceably assemble or or other rights that we have that are not suspended. And again, the speech that this governor in New Mexico gave, which you've already alluded to, was just so deeply offensive to me where she said, well, all rights are, you know, constitutional rights are not absolute. And in an emergency, I can do what I need to do. And even my oath is not absolute, her oath to

support and defend the Constitution. My goodness. That just means my oath is not absolute, her oath to support and defend the Constitution. My goodness. That just means my oath is my oath until I decide it's not. I'm assuming that the Democrats have the majority in New Mexico, so they're not going to be able to impeach her, which is really what needs to be happening. They need to remove her. But as you're pointing out,

and I think this is the good thing that could really come out of this, and I think some of the reasons why the Democrats are so upset about this is that, as you point out, this could be much broader than the Second Amendment, because we've already had the Supreme Court be very wishy-washy about, as you pointed out, church situations, and good for you for finding a church that's going to stand up to this stuff. That's one of the things that we've seen. The churches that did everything that the government wanted to do, they're seeing people abandoning them, like sinking ship, and they're going to the places where the people really have convictions. And so that's an important thing there. But I think it's also important, as you point out, this could be used to strengthen

where the court, even with these current justices, was really, really very shaky. I remember when they went back and they said, all right, the casinos can open up, but you can't have a church service. And so some of these people, to illustrate the absurdity of that, they went to a casino and had a church service, and they still got hammered with this, and the Supreme Court wouldn't help them with that. The Supreme Court, in a lot of cases, likes to defer to the regulatory state and kind of keep back off of that. So with the Second Amendment, depending on how they write this stuff, if it gets to them, it could put some language in there that could then be used to strengthen this, to stop this kind of medical martial law. That's what I've called it since it happened in March of 2020. I call it medical martial law. Absolutely. I think that's a great way of putting it, and right in that same context.

I said on the radio the other day, and a lot of other people have picked up on this, and I've heard it repeated, but what I said on the radio the other day is, look, make no mistake. If the government can curtail your rights in an emergency, the government will create an emergency in order to curtail your rights. And that's why it's so dangerous. It's a medical martial law. I love that, by the way. I'm going to adopt that as well. Use it.

Yeah. Get the word out. You don't have to give me credit. Just use it. I'll give you a footnote. Yeah, full attribution um but uh but but that i think is what's so dangerous about this and has such uh such horrible possible permutations down the road because you know other other other potential tyrants are watching this and they and they

want to be tyrants they want to impose their will on the citizenry and they're just watching what the outcome here is in New Mexico. And they will, they will take their lead to some degree from that. That's why I really hope that in a, in a purely figurative sense, I hope this New Mexico governor gets slapped around pretty good. Yes. That's one of the things that's bothered me about all this in the aftermath of the pandemic and the lockdowns and all the rest of the stuff and the masks, you know, gradually

people just decided that they were going to quietly not comply and they kind of null nullified it, you know, one by one, you know, people just walking away from this thing. And that's good. And it's good that we exercise our ability to peacefully disobey these color of law actions that are taken. But I think it's also necessary for us to have some political leaders who are going to stand up and say, we're not going to allow this to become a precedent and a way of doing business. And, and unfortunately we don't really have that. And so if this is going to happen kind of in the back doorway and a sideway or something like that, that could be a really positive thing that comes out of this because they've really been pretty cowardly

in terms of opposing this. And I think it is because, uh, it is, uh, been broadly accepted when it happened by both Republicans and Democrats. And it was like, you know, president Trump was doing it. So let's not oppose Trump, president Trump. And so these things get put into place and nobody wants to take on the leadership or the popular politician or whatever. And so they allow us to essentially be sold out, sold into slavery. So, you know, it really has bothered me to watch this stuff unfolding. Again, when you look at the Second Amendment, people there will be proactive in terms of pushing this stuff back. And that is very important. We just don't have that happening a great deal outside of the Second Amendment. Yeah, it is. But I'll tell you another angle to this that I'd also love to see unfold,

and that is that, and I'm not a New Mexico attorney, and so I'm not completely well-versed in the specifics here, but one thing that New Mexico did do just a couple of years ago is they repealed qualified immunity for government officials, and they got caught up in the, you know, defund the police type movement. And so they said, well, police have too much protection against civil liability. So we're going to repeal qualified immunity for government officials. Well, what's fascinating about that, you can see where this is going.

Where if now, and again, that typically is in the context of a police officer denying someone's constitutional rights and being sued for that. And they have typically had qualified immunity. Again, it's qualified, but it protects them to a very large degree. Well, New Mexico having repealed that, one thing I would love to see is for someone to say, oh, you mean the governor now has direct civil liability potentially for violating the constitutional rights of New Mexico citizens? And I'd love to see, you know, a group of citizens file that lawsuit and be successful in that lawsuit. That's if anyone ever out there has the willingness to enforce this ridiculous thing. But if this is enforced against someone or even someone who just says, hey, I'm under a threat of a $5,000 fine, so I'm going to leave my gun at home and be regulated in that manner.

Well, haven't they been injured as a direct result of that? And haven't their rights been violated? And if so, i'd love to see a court say well now that we've repealed qualified immunity for government officials in new mexico the governor has direct civil liability and guess what you know a group of citizens now own her mansion for somewhere where she lives and i i i would absolutely love to see that that would be a proper outcome in my mind for this kind of brazen violation of constitutional freedom. Oh, I agree. I agree on that. That would really be interesting to see the defund the police thing eventually comes around to bite them in that way.

You know, you said earlier, uh, and it is very true. Uh, if they're going to be able to do anything that they want with an emergency, they can create the emergency. And I've played a clip going back to October, 2019 as a Milken Institute, a Fauci, and they had a guy saying, you know, how do we get around this whole thing of, uh, you know, having to go for a decade to test these vaccines and all this other kind of stuff. And Fauci's reply was, we do it from the inside.

We do it with disruption and we do it iteratively. I mean, if, is that not exactly what they have been doing from all of this stuff at creating the emergency and then doing it step by step you know boiling the frogs and he set it out just a couple months before they pull this stuff off on us but that's the thing that people need to understand you know they need to understand that they are creating the emergencies and then they say well you know we can do whatever we want to now that we've got an emergency um they've got a bit of an emergency in chicago which they don't really talk about.

Do they, you know, it's interesting. I said the other day, why doesn't the mayor of Chicago do the same thing? Because they got 27 people were shot last weekend. And of course, uh, I think the answer guy, what do you think it is? I think the answer is that they they've already done all these things and it's not working. I think that's right. But I also think that they'd love to do it. They probably have a little better legal advice where they're being told by someone who actually knows how to

read Supreme Court precedent that they can't do it and it'd be illegal and it'd be summarily enjoined by a court as soon as they tried to do it. But that's part of why I say that it's so important, I think, that not only that the right outcome ensues in New Mexico, but does quickly and does so, you know, in a very dramatic fashion with negative ramification for this governor, because other potential tyrants, and believe me, they would love to do this in Chicago if they think there's a remote chance that they can get away with it. Yeah, yeah, that's very true. Yeah, if anything, they've probably got the lawyers in Chicago trying to figure out what law could we possibly do that we haven't already done. Can you think of anything that we haven't already done that's still not

working there? It is interesting to see how this is going to shake out. And of course, these types of things have implications everywhere. As we see them moving, for example, to ban cars. We know that's coming to the United States. California is doing that by legislation. We've seen it already put into place, the banning of all types of cars. And eventually, essentially banning EVs as well. Because we just don't want people having private cars.

This is the type of thing they have used. There is no specific amendment for cars, and so they're even more vulnerable than the Second Amendment. And if these people are going to pull this same emergency stuff with us saying that's a climate emergency, that is one of the things that's going to be up for grabs. But essentially everything is going to be up for grabs if we allow them to claim that it somehow affects our health or safety. And we need to understand that safety is not the paramount concern of government. It's a paramount concern, isn't it, to protect our liberties, I think, our God-given liberties. At least I would hope that that was the case of the government, but I think that's the way the founders saw it, but I don't think that's the way people today see it.

Yeah, I think that's the way the founders saw it, but I don't think that's the way people today see it. Yeah, I think that's right. Even with respect to things like automobiles or gas-powered automobiles, something that's worth taking a look at, for instance, is, yeah, the right to own a car is certainly not set out as a right in the Constitution, but there is a takings clause in the Fifth Amendment. There's a due process component to both the Fifth and the Fourteenth Amendments. And where I've invested money in my vehicle, and you suddenly now tell me that I'm not able to drive it, then haven't you deprived me of my property? And if you've done so without due process of law and without justification with due process of law, then now I still have a constitutional argument.

And I expect to see some of those. You know, California is probably going to lead that charge. There's already a date out there, isn't it, like 2035 or something? Yes. When they're supposed to have all gas-powered vehicles. And you know that's going to happen. We know that's not going to happen. We know their power grid can't sustain an all-electric vehicle population in California. We know that.

Well, they got that figured out, Guy. They just introduced a bill, and it hasn't gone through the House yet, but it's already passed in the Senate, where they say, well, we can suck the power out of your EVs. So all the people thought that they were going to get around this by having an electric vehicle. You're going to be the battery for them. They don't want to have anybody have any private transportation because that takes control away from them.

Well, no, that's exactly right. In this same state where it's absolutely impossible to build a new power plant, can't have enough charging stations, and they don't have the power grid to sustain all electric vehicles. At the same time, they're going to tell you you have to have an electric vehicle. The whole thing, nobody can foresee can foresee what 12 years into the future and understand that this isn't tenable it's not feasible um but but they don't care because it sounds good in the short terms they're pandering to their base and they're fully planning on being out of office by the by

the time uh no pun intended the rubber hits the road on this thing uh that's right yeah well i'm sorry that's the key thing you know to wrap up here we got just about out of time but i think intended the rubber hits the road on this thing. That's right. Yeah. I'm sorry. That's the key thing. You know, as we wrap up here, we got just about out of time, but I think that's the key thing is that people need to understand that these principles that we see happening around,

um, you know, the, the second amendment, uh, these have broad implications for all of our different liberties. So we're either going to, uh,

you know, the way I look at it is the bill of rights is either going to hang together or it's going to disappear separately. And so that's the key thing. You know, we have to reestablish that mindset that the founders had when they put it there of individual liberties and that the government's purpose is not to infringe on them, uh, death by a thousand cuts, but they need to, uh, to focus on that. So, uh, absolutely agree with you.

And it's a very important issue. death by a thousand cuts, but they need to, uh, to focus on that. So, uh, absolutely agree with you. And it's a very important issue and it's one issue that people will organize around and we'll fight for. And I think when you look at gun issue, the fact that you've got all these special groups that are out there to defend the second amendment, I think we need to do that on a wide variety of issues. I think that's far more effective than having politicians even. But thank you so much for joining us. Again, Guy Relford, and you can find him, the gun guy,

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