The David Knight Show - 18Jan23 Mainstream Media says Globalism is Failing.  Don't Let Your Guard Down

Episode Date: January 18, 2023

OUTLINE of today's show with TIMECODES Google is sued for not censoring videos of Islamic terrorists by family of a victim. A case that has implications for where "hate crimes" are taking us, but most importantly, Google admits they would have no liability if they were truly a free speech platform 2:34Will Artificial Intelligence create 90% of internet content? 12:36Man creates a children's book in 72 hours using AI "art" and AI as "ghostwriter" and gets in the middle of a fight over AI's use of artists' work 16:28Will AI replace search engines and human content? When asked what is the largest egg, AI "expert" has a hilarious answer 19:47Interestingly, Tucker Carlson’s take on what happened with FAA grounding all flights last week is the same as mine was — it was a hack. But he adds one more interesting piece to the puzzle that mainstream media goes out of its way to ignore 31:43House bill would CRIMINALIZE any speech that is interpreted by our masters as "white privilege". This bill won't happen…YET. But similar things are being done throughout Europe as we destroy the foundations of our civilization 37:05US government is exploding in size and overreach — and so is the DEFICIT. Will McCarthy kick the can down the road with a CR (continuing resolution)? 48:09County in Nevada considering to ban flu shots — or are they? (Continued at 1:13:21) 55:43Italian female tennis player pushes back against allegations of obtaining a fake vaccination record. Unfortunately, she didn't push back against the mandate as Djokovic did 55:43Is DeSantis a savior or a murderer? The most dangerous vaccine ever given to seniors, recommended by his government and his Surgeon General. Here are the deaths 58:58WATCH: Man whose health and life were destroyed by the jab, speaks out 1:09:04Will a Nevada county ban Covid and flu shots? There's a catch 1:13:21Judge rails against Hochul's mandate for health workers as he strikes down the New York mandate 1:16:12Pfizer’s campaign to censor tweets about the vaccine. 1:18:55Davos goes on defense, claims they didn't say "you will own nothing and be happy." Yet another lie 1:35:42Mainstream media says prominent figures did not attend Davos because globalization is in trouble. Don't believe it 1:39:25Reuters tries (and fails) to defend World Economic Forum against charges of transhumanism 1:43:15What Kerry and the green movement are pushing "watermelon Marxism" 1:49:10Davos predications that failed… 1:52:52INTERVIEW: Sheriff David Hathaway, Santa Cruz County, AZ joins to talk about how he sees the border crisis, the CIA's involvement in illegal drugs and why, since he opposes big government, is he a sheriff 1:57:13What is the main argument against border patrol? 2:02:12E-verify, passports: are conservatives aware of the unintended consequences for liberty of many of the border policies? 2:09:12What the police state looks like in the "100-mile constitution-free zone" at our borders 2:29:31Fuzzy math and border patrol statistics. 2:34:30The role of sheriffs in the state of Illinois where 80% have said they will NOT enforce the new gun control legislation passed by Democrat-controlled state government 2:43:08The CIA's role in smuggling drugs, in torturing and killing DEA agent Kiki Camarena 2:50:08Find out more about the show and where you can watch it at TheDavidKnightShow.com If you would like to support the show and our family please consider subscribing monthly here:SubscribeStar https://www.subscribestar.com/the-david-knight-showOr you can send a donation through Mail: David Knight POB 994 Kodak, TN 37764Zelle: @[e-mail] App at: $davidknightshowBTC to: bc1qkuec29hkuye4xse9unh7nptvu3y9qmv24vanh7Money is only what YOU hold: Go to DavidKnight.gold for great deals on physical gold/silverBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-david-knight-show--2653468/support.

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Anything that she believes is against people of color. Of course, it doesn't have any chance of passing, but it shows what is happening to the debate about free speech. Also a Google lawsuit as well. And we'll be joined in the third hour by Sheriff David Hathaway, Santa Cruz County, Arizona, right on the border, talking about the immigration issue, talking about why, as a libertarian, he is a sheriff, very important,

and also talking about the role of the CIA in the drug war. Stay with us. We'll be right back. Well, there's an interesting case that is coming up that continues to, as we see the ball go back and forth on the court, the discussions over Section 230. What is the role of the people who are in control of the Internet, as Breitbart has called them for years, the masters of the universe. Well, the universe is not limited to the internet, but these are the people who have made themselves the arbiters, the masters of free speech on the internet. And so now it appears that

Google is being hoisted by their own petard. But there's also a very dangerous threat to the First Amendment in many different ways. Google says that the Supreme Court ruling in a case where a woman, the family of a woman who was killed in a Paris terrorist attack, they say this could potentially upend the Internet. This is an allegation that Google promoted videos that pushed Islamic jihad and terrorism and thereby contributed to this. In a new brief filed with the high court, Google said that scaling back liability protections could lead internet giants to block more potentially offensive content, including controversial political speech,

while also leading smaller websites to drop their filters to avoid liability that can arise from efforts to screen content. That's exactly right. You see, Google understands that by making themselves the arbiters of truth, they have put a target on their back. Once you accept that mantle, that I will decide what is right and what is wrong, and I will shut down all wrong speech, that's a very stupid position to put yourself in. And so they say, well, you know, the smaller websites will just drop all the filters and say, hey, we're just a, we're kind of a public service, I don't know, maybe a town square that is privately owned. We don't moderate any content.

So we don't have anything to do with this. But Google wants to moderate this content for its government masters. It's a partnership. That gives them a stake in the future as a stakeholder. This court should decline to adopt novel and untested theories that risk transforming today's Internet into a forced choice. Talk about a forced choice. What hypocrisy for Google, YouTube, to talk about a forced choice. A forced choice between overly curated mainstream sites or fringe sites that are flooded with objectionable content.

Everybody will go to the places where there's not any moderation by, as they call it, censorship by Google. And the case was brought by the family of Nohemi Gonzalez, who was killed in the 2015 Islamic State terrorist attack in Paris. The plaintiffs claim that YouTube, a unit of Google, aided ISIS by recommending the terrorist group. Essentially, what they're charging Google with is enabling hate speech, though. There's another aspect of this besides the censorship, and that is this whole move towards hate crime being as serious

and in many cases more serious than an actual event. This is a path that we've been on for a long time. I have opposed every aspect of so-called hate crimes because what you're doing is you're criminalizing somebody's thoughts. That's what totalitarian regimes do, number one. Number two, what people say, what they write, that can give a glimpse into motive, but it is not the crime. Speech and thought should never be crime. If somebody is writing something in terms of, well, you know, I perhaps if I get this insurance paid up, I could knock my wife off or something, you know, that, that, yeah, what people are saying to other people, or if they attack a group of

people simply because they don't like them, the crime is murder. The crime is not hate. The hate may show a motive to help prove that they did that crime. But it is not a crime. Hate is not a crime. It should never be a crime because it's too subjectively determined. So they're hoisted by their own petard of censorship. If they had not, again, taken it upon themselves to be the guardians of what is right and wrong, the guardians of all truth, then they would not have been in this situation.

If they had not taken it upon themselves to be guardians, they could have fallen back on the idea, well, you know, hey, this is a public square. We don't moderate things that are there. You know, when Robespierre's head was cut off from the guillotine, this guy who had begun the French Revolution, when his head was cut off, the crowd cheered for 15 minutes. Google should Google that. Look at the future. You know, what is going to happen to these people who have started this revolution?

These things are coming back to bite them. So this has been a dangerous expansion for hate. It's been a dangerous expansion for censorship. And Google understands where this is going, and they understand what the remedy is. The remedy is to have free speech on the Internet. But they don't want that. They say, well, it's either going to be, we're going to either be overly moderated, overly controlling, or we're going to have people out there who are not like us because we're never going to go the route where we allow free speech.

You see that's they've ruled that out. That's not going to be what they do. Those people who kill should be held responsible. Speech is never a crime. The immunity law, Section 230, that they're trying to appeal to, is not available for material the website itself created, said the, I'm sorry, this is a statement from the people who are suing. They said, so the immunity law is not available for

the material that the website itself created. They said YouTube recommended this. Now YouTube disputes that fact. But what they're saying is that if YouTube recommended these videos, then they're liable. But the real issue is that YouTube youtube by saying we're going to purge everything that we disagree with by implication if they leave it up now they endorse it this is why it's a downward spiral for youtube it is an untenable position to start this censorship thing because again when she was sent there if you leave anything up that implies approval and so i think that um uh you know it is um it kind of does hinge on whether or not they can show any facts that they uh that they promoted it but in reality they promoted it by leaving it there because they get rid of anything they don't like and any people they don't like.

Now, they took down my channel where I had finally, you know, they took me down for content, this and that. First time they took me down just because I was associated with InfoWars. But then I put stuff up and they gave me the three strikes and you're out treatment. That meant that I lasted for about a month and a half. And then about a year and a half later, no, it's about later in the year. That was at the beginning of 2021. At the end of 2021, I put up about 10 Christmas carols that I had done. That's all it was on the channel.

I said, well, let me just put music up on. At LiveScoreBet, we love Cheltenham just as much as we love football. The excitement, the roar, and the chance to reward you. That's why every day of the festival, we're giving new members money back as a free sports bet up to 10 euro if your horse loses on a selected race.

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my Christmas carols and they take them down, but they left up the ISIS videos. So what do you say? By the way, there may be in the future a situation where people come after YouTube for recommending actively pushing the bioweapons, throttling and shutting down anybody who pushed back against that, like me, for example, and then pushing people to lies being sold by the government. Of course, they'll claim, well, it was the government. What else would we have done, right? There will be a reckoning for that, whether that happens in this life or the next. Justice will be done. So, Google has questioned the plaintiff's factual evidence of any recommendations of this, but again, it is them leaving it up

that truly is the issue. Meanwhile, in Texas and Florida, there are laws that would seek to tightly regulate the platforms as common carriers. And Google is very much against that. They say this would violate our First Amendment free speech. Wow. How hypocritical. Here's the issue. Does the phone company have the liability if a couple of murderers are calling each other, plotting a murder, and then do it? Does the phone company get charged with that?

Well, no. Why? Because they're a common carrier. They didn't have anything to do with that. But Google sees themselves not as a phone company, right? Actually, they see themselves as a phone company that listens to your conversations and then comes in and cuts off your service and maybe cuts off your electricity as well. You know, the analogy being your financial access to things. It puts you on the Silicon Valley blacklist so you can

get kicked off of PayPal and Venmo and all the rest of these things, Spotify, the rest of them. So they brought it on themselves, and they really should be treated as common carriers. They have owned this thing. They want to censor people. They want to be on the inside with the government. They are part of the government. They are the deputized state, as I call them. It is a fascist system of government where the corporations and the government merges together

for a big brother Orwellian attack on our God-given rights. Now, 90% of online content could be generated by artificial intelligence by the year of 2025, says an expert. They're talking about chat, GPT. They're very excited about that. And as we look at that happening, as we look at the AI artwork programs that are out there, they can put out some interesting things, Dali and the rest of these, but your question is, is it really art? Is it really content? All art is imitation to some degree or the other, right? If you do something that is

totally original, it is so different that nobody can relate to it that's the the the issue of composing somebody like John Williams goes back and pulls in elements that you can respond to things that you understand I mean even just the tonality of you know the turnout the chord progressions the that are there and the cadence of it and all the rest of it. It follows a tradition. If it got too far away from that, it would just sound like noise. And so music implies a structure of chords and tempos and melodies and all the rest of the stuff.

And even the melodies will resolve in certain ways. But he's still able, even within that convention that has been used for centuries, to come up with something that is fresh and original. That's the interesting thing about human creativity. Will artificial intelligence be able to do that? Or is it just a clever mimic? That'll be the question. They're saying that, well, you know, as this is happening so fast, all media,

text, video, audio, uh, pictures, news, all this stuff will be generated by bots. Well, we're kind of there already with mainstream media, aren't we? I mean, operation mockingbird, you know, they're mocking whatever the CIA wants them to put out. So we have made a pretty good start along that path with mainstream media. But as you look at the pictures, for example, now Getty Images has targeted one of these AI firms for copying photos. On Tuesday, they threatened to sue a tech company that they accused of illegally copying millions of photos for use in an artificial intelligence art tool. Uh,

Getty of course has stock images. This other company is stability AI. They run a tool called stable diffusion that allows users to generate mashup images from a few words of text, but the firm uses material that it scrapes on the web often without permission as they all do. Dolly mid journey, many of these others. Uh, often without permission, as they all do. DALL-E, MidJourney, many of these others. But the question is, this is one of the smaller ones.

I haven't heard of stability AI. Have you heard of them or stable diffusion? You have? Okay. Travis is more familiar with this than I am. I looked at it and I thought, well, why didn't they go after one of the bigger ones? Maybe they're hoping that they will cave or hoping that they can get a favorable decision if they were to sue them that they could then use as a precedent and strengthen them to come after some of the other ones. But, you know, that is the real issue. But how is this being used? We just had a man who used artificial intelligence to both write a book and to illustrate the book, a children's book.

He did it in one weekend. He said he did it in 72 hours. He used chat GPT to write Alice and Sparkle, a story about a girl named Alice who wants to learn about the world of tech, and her robot friend Sparkle. He then used Mid Journey to illustrate it. After 72 hours, he self-published the book on Amazon's digital bookstore. The following day, he had the paper back in his hands, ready and made for free via another

Amazon service called KDP. Impressed with the speed and results of his project, he then shared it on Twitter. And then he got a massive response, 2,000 comments and 5,800 retweets. He said initially it was positive. People liked it. But the next day, the responses were filled with vitriol. He said there was an incredibly passionate response. At 4 a.m., I was getting woken up by my phone, blowing up every two minutes with a new tweet saying things like, you're scum. We hate you. He said he was shocked by the intensity of the responses for what seemed to be just what was supposed to be just a gift for the children of some friends it was only when he started reading through them he said that he discovered he'd landed himself in the middle of a much larger debate some artists claim that their art has

been used to train ai image generators like mid journey without their permission users can enter artists names like prompts to generate art in their style. So for example, you know, you can do some kind of a pop figure in the style of Rembrandt, that type of thing. He said, I wouldn't even call myself the author. The AI is essentially the ghost writer and the other AI is the illustrator. When is Hillary going to start using chat GPT to do her books or Perry, the man formerly known as Prince? Maybe, maybe this could be a defense for George Santos. Maybe he could say that I didn't write that resume. I gave it to chat GPT and put that in there.

He did think the process was a creative one, though. He said he spent hours tweaking the prompts on Midjourney to try to achieve a consistent illustration. Other people disagreed. They said the writing is stiff, has no voice whatsoever, you know, kind of like a Hillary book. And the art, wow, it's so bad it hurts. Tangents all over the place. Strange fingers on every page.

That's one of the things that it'll do so many times. You get the wrong number of fingers on a hand. Inconsistencies to the point where it feels like the images are just a step above random. But he said the goal of the project was always to gift the book to two children of his friends who both liked it. He said it worked for the people that I intended and it was great. Well, when we look at chat GPT, one person says, actually, I didn't know this until I did this. And, um, can you move that so I can read that Travis? Um, uh, yeah, the mammal that lays the largest eggs is the elephant elephant eggs says, uh, chat GPT or what actually

this is a chat opening. I don't know if that'sPD. Actually, this is ChatOpenAI. I don't know if that's the same thing, but it's an example of these things. So the mammal that lays the largest eggs is the elephant. It's like a doctor's news book. So you could use this for a children's book very easily. The elephant eggs are the largest of all land animals, with some reaching up to nine inches in length and weighing up to five pounds. I've never seen one of these things. I'm looking forward to it. up to nine inches in length and weighing up to five pounds.

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Some species of monotremes such such as the platypus, also lay eggs. These eggs are much smaller than elephant eggs, but they're still larger than the eggs of most other mammals, which are usually very small and not actually laid. That's the unusual thing about a platypus. So, yeah, that's the answer to the question. And Google has come out and said, well, we're really concerned that these chatbots are going to take over from search engines. Well, maybe they got a little bit more time. One person responded to that and said, well, I can understand how it would do this. You know, we look at a syllogism, right?

Kind of a three-step logical process. Number one, elephant birds lay the largest eggs. Number two, elephants are mammals. Number three, elephants produce eggs as other mammals, animals do, right? Therefore, she's made of wood. You know, this is Monty Python logic. It's, you know, what floats wood? Well, for the witch floats, she's made of wood.

That's kind of the logic that you get with this. But we're going to take a quick break and we'll come back. We're going to talk about the logic, or lack of it, of Sheila Jackson Lee, who wants to take censorship and criminalization of speech to a whole new level, to a level of overt racism, her form of racism. We'll be right back. The Common man. They created common core to dumb down our children. They created common past to track and control us.

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David, please ask Sheriff Hathaway why did he say that he would arrest anyone involved in putting the shipping containers on the border in his county, that he would protect the Fed's lack of protection of the border by prohibiting the containers? Well, that's what most of the interview is about. I heard that. I had many people ask me that. And I think you'll find it very interesting. Sheriff Hathaway and his family have had ranch property there in Arizona at the border since before Arizona was a state.

And he explains his position from both a libertarian position and from a Christian position about immigration. He saw it as a community where people were coming and going. He says a lot of the stuff that we're seeing is still, you're seeing one side of it. You don't see the massive numbers of people that are going back. He said there's a lot of traffic that is going each way. But his biggest concern as a libertarian is what we are creating in terms of a police state at the border. We go through this kind of stuff whenever we go through TSA. They go through this all the time because they're right on the border. Last week or two weeks ago, I talked about a situation of people who are crossing the border back and forth in California. Some of the people going north from Mexico into California, American citizens who got in the wrong lane. And I'm sure

this has all happened to everybody. It's happened to me in a toll situation. I don't want to get on this toll road. Well, you can't turn around. You've got to go. And that's what they had, but they were arresting. Border Patrol was arresting these people, these Americans, and telling them, you're going to pay us $5,000 or we're going to steal your car. This kind of lawlessness, this kind of action where they declare that within 100 miles of the border, it's a Constitution-free zone, this is what he is seeing there on the ground. So I wanted somebody who is not looking at this

through the lens of Fox News or CNN, somebody who is there on the ground, somebody who is committed to liberty, somebody who is a committed Christian, I wanted to talk about that. But we're also going to be talking about some things that happened with the CIA that he observed as he was working for DEA. And then again, if he opposes

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They have been our supporters, key supporters from the very beginning of all of this. And have a beautiful family. They're homeschooling. They send us pictures as well. So thank you, all of you, for your support. Let's talk about Sheila Jackson Lee. And we'll get to that in just a second. I want to begin, though, by saying, you know, as you have this back and forth and people are, you know, David Brody was interviewing Trump, and so he talks to him about DeSantis. And again, my hope is not in president.

My hope is not in anything in the federal government. As a matter of fact, when you look at the state government, maybe there's some good people and some good ideas that state government that'll be implemented if they don't see themselves as servants of the feds. A complete reversal of the role and the relationship of the state government to the fed. But most of them see themselves as apparatchiks and servants of the federal government. But I don't see anything positive coming out of the federal government.

Maybe there will be, you know, one of the parties will slow it down. Maybe they will push back on something, and we can always support that, cheer that, ask for that to happen. But I don't see them fundamentally changing anything. And that goes for any of the people who are running for president. So my, as I've said many times, my bet is on trying to get things done locally. We need to live our life. We need to improve our lives. We need to improve our relationship with God, our relationship with people in our community

and in our family. If we do that, things are going to go better for us where we are. And we may actually find that we have some local officials who will stand in the gap against an authoritarian federal government that is overreaching its authority or a state government that is overreaching its authority. So when asked about DeSantis, Trump has asked if it would be a bad move for DeSantis to jump into the presidential race. And even though DeSantis has not officially announced his position, there's been a lot of talk about that, several polls about that. In December, you had a couple of polls after the

election and everybody was looking at uh trump's endorsements for key senate races the idiots that he pushed forward who subsequently lost um yeah he wanted to go with the absolute numbers which is going to be you know people that he that he said, oh, yeah, I like this guy. When they're in a safe Republican congressional zone, that's the situation with most races because of gerrymandering. And so it's very easy to go in and say, well, like that guy, that guy, that guy, just go in and pick the people that you know are going to win because of gerrymandering. But and that gerrymandering into Republican, uh, Congressman even happens in States that are controlled by Democrats. They will make one or two very,

and this Republicans do the same thing. They make one or two very strong districts for the opposition party, putting all the voters in these two districts so that they can have the majority of the delegation. That's the way they do it. Every party does that. Both parties do it. At LiveScoreBet, we love Cheltenham just as much as we love football. The excitement, the roar, and the chance to reward you.

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shown in a yahoo poll ahead of Trump 47 to 42. Then another poll from Vanderbilt University showed DeSantis getting 54% to 41% for Trump. So then Trump released a poll of his own that he paid for and showed him beating DeSantis 58-36. By the way, while we're talking about these different governors, one of the governors that has been floated as a possible 2024 candidate is Brian Kemp. Where's Brian Kemp this week? He's in Davos. Just remember that.

Remember that Brian Kemp, Georgia, is in Davos. Anyway, while we're talking about Trump and we take a look at what has happened with the FAA, I thought it was very interesting. Somebody sent me what Tucker Carlson said on Monday night. And I had not seen what he had to say. As a matter of fact, I'd talked about it on Thursday. It happened on Wednesday. I think I talked about it on Thursday. Maybe it was Friday, but I think it was Thursday last week.

And then Tucker talked about it on Monday. He had the same take. This was not something that was done to ground all the planes. This was not something that was done by a couple of contractors. He's not buying that either. He also believes that it's a hack. And he mentioned, as I did, my certainty over this is that it happened both in the United States and in Canada

where they have independent databases of NOTAM, independent systems to control the planes. I don't know if he mentioned the fact that the Canadian system went down about an hour and a half after we got ours up, after it had been down from late in the night until nine in the morning. I don't know, was it down nine, 10, 12 hours or something like that? And they finally got it back up. But they shut down all, uh, plane flights. The only other time that's happened was on nine 11. So it was a pretty big deal and nobody's really talking about it. Uh, so I was glad to see the Tucker talked about it,

uh, on Monday, but he also mentioned something else that I did not notice, which I thought made it even more interesting. And that is, he said, well, uh, you know, clearly this is not a couple of contractors, as I said, and I don't know if he mentioned that or not, you know, two contractors did this on the FAA system. Well, were they also contractors for Canada? And did they, after this total chaos and complete shutdown of all flights in the U.S., did they then go in and modify the database in Canada an hour and a half after they got this thing up, like 12 hours after it happened? Of course not. Of course not. So it shows that

they were both taken down, same MO, both of them going after the same database, Notam. So clearly it was hacked. The question is by who and what the motive was. And we don't know. You can never know exactly who did it. But to bolster the understanding that it was an attack, and perhaps it wasn't done by a sovereign actor, perhaps it was done by cyber criminals who wanted to get paid off,

Tucker looked at what happened with Bitcoin. And this is what he showed. Look at this. So he got Bitcoin just kind of staying level, you know, for quite a while. He's on a scale here. He's going back to the middle of December. And then all of a sudden, the FAA outage, and it goes straight up by 19%. Uh, so the question is, you know, it's no question that it was a hack. I'm certain of it. Uh, and he comes to the same conclusions.

Uh, no question that it was a hack, but the question is, did the U S government pay them off in Bitcoin? Well, you know, it's not unusual if that were to happen because we have seen that type of thing happen before. You remember back in 2015, you had Obama paying for the release of hostages. He put $1.7 billion on a plane. Now, it was foreign currency. One of the reasons that he did that was because it was against the law to do that and to give them American currency.

So he had to exchange it into foreign currency and put all this massive amount of cash on pallets and fly the plane to iran at live score bet we love cheltenham just as much as we love football the excitement the roar and the chance to reward you that's why every day of the festival we're giving new members money back as a free sports bet up to 10 euro if your horse loses on a selected race, that's how we celebrate the biggest week in racing. Cheltenham with LiveScoreBet. This is total betting. Sign up by 2 p.m. 14th of March.

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I guess Obama didn't think about Bitcoin at the time. Cause we're talking about what back in 2015, I think it was. And, uh, or maybe Iran didn't want to take Bitcoin. I don't know. Uh, but that certainly does look like that was a hack. You know, it also, he mentioned it also happened in the Philistine Philistines and the Philippines. Um, they didn't say what the issue was in the Philippines and both the U S and in Canada,

they said, well, it was a no TAM system, right? The notice of takeoff and landing, uh, you know, issues about that, that they tell people in the Philippines, they said, well, it's a technical issue. It was a glitch, you know, the air traffic control or something like that. Later on, some of them said, well, it's a technical issue. It was a glitch. The air traffic control or something like that. Later on, some of them said, well, it was a power outage. They're not being upfront with anybody. So nobody really knows what happened in the Philippines, if that was a part of it or not.

But the Obama administration always said, no, we didn't pay ransom for these people, except that they were released as the money was brought in. The money flies in and the people fly out. But that's just a coincidence. We've got a lot of coincidence theories that are happening everywhere. It was just a coincidence that both Canada and the U.S. had that happen. And they happened sequentially with independent systems on the same day.

So let's talk about Sheila Jackson Lee. Jonathan Turley has this as a lawyer. He says a house bill introduced by Sheila Jackson Lee would criminalize social media postings. If the government, you know, people like, I don't know, Merrick Garland or somebody like that, uh, looks at your tweets and thinks that you're supporting white supremacy or the replacement theory? Well, we're going to criminalize that. Jonathan Turley says the anti-free speech movement in the U.S. continues to grow with alarming speed.

Amongst writers, journalists, academics, most importantly, Democrat members of Congress. Members now openly call for censorship and the manipulation of what citizens see and read. Yet even in this environment, a recent proposal by Representative Sheila Jackson Lee is a menacing standout. He said, what is clear is that this bill that she calls Leading Against White Supremacy Act of 2023, this bill of Sheila Jackson Lee's, would gut the First Amendment and create effective thought crimes. This bill is not going to pass.

However, the anti-free speech elements of the bill are deeply disturbing because they reflect successful efforts at speech criminalization in other countries. And it's coming. Throughout Western civilization, the values that we have held high, just as we've held things like freedom of religion, free speech, and all the rest of these things enshrined in our Constitution, the Bill of Rights, but also a fundamental part of what Western civilization was about. Britain used to pride itself on these things and other countries as well. And Britain used to pride itself on things like trial by jury

as the foundations of their civilization. Gilbert and Sullivan even wrote an opera about it, you know, light opera, trial by jury. These were things that we took to be essential to having a life of freedom and dignity. But now we have the technocracy wants to destroy freedom and dignity. Behavioral psychologists like B.F. Skinner wrote a book,

Beyond Freedom and Dignity. They see themselves becoming gods like Yuval Harari, and these new gods that want to rule over us don't want us to have anything, including any free thought, free speech, or free exercise of religion. And this is happening everywhere. It's amazing to me to see how universal everything has become with communication.

It's kind of been a reversal of the Tower of Babel, hasn't it? You know, English has become almost a de facto global language. And especially when it comes to technical aspects. You don't need to have communication even on a verbal level. People can communicate with mathematics and just get a little bit of the communications done in terms of translation. My first job, I was with a group. I was the American in the group,

and it was Texas Instruments had these people who were going to be sales reps. Essentially, we was with a group. I was the American in the group, and it was Texas Instruments had, these people were going to be sales reps, essentially. We're going to, not sales reps, we're going to be, we weren't actually doing the sales. What we were doing was we were doing the liaison with the companies when they would come in for semi-custom semiconductors. And so they had a bunch of people there from all these different countries. And some of them spoke English and some of them didn't.

The Japanese guy didn't speak English, but he could kind of read it, and he could read the math stuff, and he knew how to do schematic drawings for electrical circuits and that type of thing. That's really what he needed to have. And so this kind of universal communication, the fact that we can have at our fingertips so much information, a kind of a universal language,

is reflected in all of these attacks on the foundation of our civilization. This hatred, I would say hate speech, but it's a hatred towards these values that have always been a part of our system, the foundational part of our system. So anti-free speech elements are deeply disturbing because we see this being criminalized, this kind of conduct in other countries. He said it also reflects elements in the bill that I testified against last year in the Senate. So he said the criminal penalty is based on this general provision, and he quotes from Sheila Jackson Lee's bill. In general, it says, a person engages in white supremacy- has motivated the planning, the development, the preparation, or the perpetration of actions that constituted a crime or were undertaken in furtherance

of an activity that, if effectuated, would have constituted a crime. It seems to me like she is obsessed. She's obsessed with race. What do you call a person who's obsessed with race? Well, by definition, that's a racist. And her racism is targeted towards people who are white, like so many on the left. But Jonathan Turley says, thus, anyone who is accused of white supremacy ideology can be charged if such views have motivated others to plan or perpetrate criminal acts. It is a criminal hate speech law that would violate core principles of the First Amendment.

It makes clear that the accused does not actually have to support or conspire in a crime. Even being accused of espousing replacement theory is enough to get a federal charge. The Jackson bill would allow postings on social media to be the basis for these criminal charges. As again, reading from the legislation that she's introduced. At least one of whom published material advancing white supremacy, white supremacist ideology, antagonism based on replacement theory, or hate speech that vilifies or is otherwise directed against any non-white person. If it was published on a social media platform or by other means of publication with a likelihood that it would be viewed by persons who were predisposed to engaging in any action in furtherance of a white supremacy inspired hate crime and on and on so he says once again

this is so flagrantly unconstitutional on so many levels from free speech to vagueness, that it is actually impressive, he says. I guess he could use this as an instruction to people, how not to write laws. It is easy, however, to dismiss, except that such criminal penalties exist in other countries, such as England, where even a silent prayer is a criminal offense offense if done near an abortion clinic. Last year in England, Nicholas Brock, 52, was convicted of a thought crime in Maidenhead, Berkshire. The neo-Nazi, and he was a neo-Nazi, was given a four-year sentence for what the court called his toxic ideology based on the contents of the home that he shared with his mother while most of us find his views repellent and hateful they were confined to his head and to

his room the guy was um not able to leave right he's in a wheelchair uh yet judge peter lauder dismissed free speech or free thought concerns with a truly Orwellian statement. He said, listen to this, I do not sentence you for your political views, but the extremity of those views informs the assessment of dangerousness. It is clear that you are a right-wing extremist. Your enthusiasm for this repulsive, toxic ideology is demonstrated by the graphic, racist, iconic, iconic graphy which you have studied and appear to share with others. Even though, he agreed, the defendant was older. At LiveScoreBet, we love Cheltenham just as much as we love football.

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Yet he sent him to prison because of his extremist views. So after the sentencing, a detective chief superintendent warned others that he was going to prison because he showed a clear right-wing ideology with evidence seized from his possessions during the investigation. We are committed to tackling all forms of toxic ideology, which has the potential to threaten public safety and security. Again, the danger of coming after people because of what they think. We don't want to debate anybody. We don't want to change anybody's minds.

We will lock you up if you don't toe the line. Now, where is this coming from? Is this not the essence of totalitarianism? He says toxic ideology is also in the target in Ireland with a recently proposed criminal justice law. The law would make it a crime to be in possession of harmful material, such as well as condoning, denying,

or grossly trivializing genocide, war crimes, crimes against humanity, and crimes against peace. This is what we saw against Andrew Bridgen. He said, these vaccines are killing people. It's toxic. He quotes an Israeli scientist who said the same. He tweets out his article. He says, yeah, this is like a holocaust, a holocaust.

And quoting this Israeli scientist who came to his defense, by the way, it made the establishment very angry when he talked about how dangerous these vaccines were and how they needed to be stopped. it made the establishment very angry when he talked about how dangerous, uh, these vaccines were and how they needed to be stopped. But when he said it was a Holocaust, then that, all right, now we don't even have to talk to him anymore.

We can kick him out of the party. And, um, he's not even somebody that is worthy of talking to him. He says, I'm not saying anything to, uh, denigrate any of that,

to make light of any of that. He says, I'm not saying anything to denigrate any of that, to make light of any of that. But see, this is the way that they can push people out of society, vilify you, ostracize you by just shouting racist. That is what's so dangerous about this. Meanwhile, Biden's government is getting bigger and reaching further into Americans' lives. When he entered, there were 11 million people employed by the federal government. That number is going to grow by leaps and bounds with the $1.9 trillion American Rescue Plan, the $1.2 trillion Infrastructure Package, $740 billion Inflation Reduction Act, each of them hiring massive numbers of people like the 87,000 IRS agents.

And so now we have, even though they passed this big spending bill, um, and, um, Kevin McCarthy was saying, well, we don't want to do that. We're, you know, you're going to take away our ability to have any say so on negotiating. So, well, there still is a way that they can pull this back because they spent so much money that they're now pushing up against the debt limit. And the debt limit is supposed to kick in as of tomorrow. And so if they do not raise the debt limit,

that means that they can't actually spend the money. And so now that is going to be the fight that they're going to have, even though they were not able to push off this bill, the $1.7 trillion bill. And now that is set there, but they don't have the ability to fund it. And so where McCarthy is going to be fighting them is going to be in terms of whether they will allow a continuing resolution to allow the government to continue. Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen warned the U.S. will hit the cap tomorrow. Once that happens, she'll not be able to issue any new debt without congressional action.

So, you know, Congress spent all this money. Everybody agreed to spend $1.7 trillion, but they haven't got it. Congress needs to still give them the permission to spend money that they don't have, to issue debt. Once those funds are exhausted, the U.S. will be at the risk of defaulting unless Congress and the White House agree to lift the limit to borrow. Right now, the U.S. debt is 100% of GDP. If you go back to 2008, the debt was 39% of GDP.

If you look at 2018, five years ago, it was 77%. But of course, that was before Trump spent trillions on the pandemic stuff. Biden spent trillions on it, continues to spend trillions. Now it's 100%, going up exponentially in shorter periods of time. It took 10 years for it to go from 39% to 77%. And then it took five years to go from 77% to 100%. So the concessions made by McCarthy said that his fellow Republicans will only agree to increase the debt ceiling in return for spending cuts. And of course, they have the power to kick him out if he doesn't stick to that. It just takes one lawmaker to trigger a vote

as to whether or not he's going to be retained. Reason says, whatever the fate of the Fair Tax Act, again, this is another thing that has come out of Kevin McCarthy's Congress. They had a vote on, you know, they're pushing forward, should say bring to the table, a vote on, you know, they're pushing forward, should say, bring to the table a vote on abolishing the IRS and abolishing the income tax and replacing it with a fair tax, which is like a national sales tax. I've said for many years, it gave us an insight into the character of our government that they would tax less than, say, Europe. Europe uses typically a value-added tax. They add at every stage of production,

every time it changes hands, even before it gets to the final sale for the consumer. And so that snowballs with a value-added tax, has a snowball effect to it. And they can get more money that way, and people don't see it. They're able to hide it, and people don't understand why everything is so much more expensive. But the Americans don't really care about the money. Why do they care? They got a fiat dollar. They don't need it. As a matter of fact, you don't need to have any of the taxes. They don't need to worry about the debt or the deficit because they just print more money. And they're not worried about the debt or the deficit.

We're up to, you know, over $30 trillion and they're just going to extend it. They really don't care. So why, if they don't care, why, if they are expanding the debt so quickly and with their modern monetary theory, they say it really doesn't even matter. Why then do they want to tax us? They'll scream and shout about how it's going to affect the deficit if they lower taxes, or if they even get rid of it altogether. That's the only time they care about the deficit.

They pretend to care when there's talk about lowering the taxes on us. Now they just want to use that to make us more dependent on them. They don't want us getting independently wealthy. They don't want us being able to accumulate wealth, to build businesses, to do anything else. They want to keep us down. And so that's why they have the taxes and they want the IRS and the income

tax because they want to have a surveillance mechanism. You know, the problem with the VAT, even though they could raise taxes and it wouldn't be so transparent, people wouldn't really understand where it's coming from. The problem with that is that it doesn't give them an opportunity to spy on everything we do. As Reason puts it, going to a different tax system, the Fair Tax Act, would get rid of the financial inquisitor that is required by a system that monitors and takes a piece of everybody's wages and salaries. And as they transition to the CBDC, that is in the cards anyway,

because you're not going to have an audit. You're not going to have to send them an accounting of everything that you do. They'll know everything that you do and they'll be able to stop you in advance. So, um, the reality of it is, uh, you should abolish the IRS and I should abolish the income tax and replace it with nothing except some cuts. We'll be right back. Thank you. You're listening to The David Knight Show. APS Radio delivers multiple channels of music right to your mobile device. Get the APS Radio app today

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Is considering to ban flu shots and COVID vaccines, the Las Vegas Journal reports. Acting locally is our only hope. I've got that story here. And the problem is, is that the headline offers hope. But if you read what the county commissioners are saying, it's essentially like, how in the world did this get in here? This is never going to happen. Vaccines are our lifesaver. So yes, you're right. The county is our only hope.

But that headline doesn't show what is really happening with it. Let's talk about the vaccines. Tennis player, the Italian female tennis player Camilla Giorgi, I'm not sure how she pronounces it. Anyway, she was accused by a doctor who was, the government has alleged that this doctor was writing false vaccine certificates on request. And I think the government was pressuring her, maybe, you know, give us somebody famous that you did it for. And so she says, I did it for this tennis star and her family. Tennis star has now pushed back against that, said, I just did all my vaccines in different

places. So the trouble is hers. It's not me. So with that, I'm very calm. Of course, if not, I couldn't come here and play this tennis. I think the other vaccination I did in different kinds of places. I did one with her. She said, so it's, um, what I'm trying to explain.

I'm fine. She's in trouble with the law in Italy. I did everything what they ask the Italian, I'm fine. She's in trouble with the law in Italy. I did everything what they ask. The Australian government, she said. It's not my problem. It's her problem. And again, she's not a native English. That's exactly the way she said it. She's not a native English speaker. She speaks English much better than I speak Italian. Anyway, I'm not doing that to mock her. But the reality is, she's being made to be the villain. The villain are the government officials,

the people who allowed these public health dictators to push this out, and the people who did nothing to stop it. The villain is the Australian government, the Italian government, and these others. But the problem is, is that she did not stand up against this, as Novak Djokovic did. He refused, even though he was top ranked he said well my help is and my freedom are not more important are are more important than the ability to get another championship and even though you know i understand why she would not do that it's important to have people who are going to lead she's not a leader. She's a follower. She's trying to exist within these unethical, illegal rules. I think they would be illegal in Italy. They certainly are in the United States. So where are we on DeSantis? We mentioned him earlier in the back and forth with

Trump. Brian Shulhavi at vaccineimpact.com says, Florida governor DeSantis on COVID vaccines. Is he a savior or is he a murderer? You know, because DeSantis and his, uh, surgeon general there in Florida have warned people and said, well, we don't recommend these childhood vaccines and so forth. But they didn't say anything about the elderly. And it's easy to overlook the elderly. You can easily say, well, you know, somebody in their 60s or 70s had a heart attack. So what? It happens all the time when you get older, right?

And it's exactly the opposite of what they did at the beginning of this so-called pandemic. People who were at or above life expectancy, who had multiple conditions, any of which could have killed them, two and a half comorbidities. And that was everybody that was dying in Italy for the first two weeks. And then, you know, before Trump imposed that emergency order on us. It's easy to look at older people and just say, well, no, it's not the comorbidities. It's not being passed life expectancy. It's COVID. And now as we know, it's not people who were dying from COVID.

Maybe they died with a PCR test. Maybe they died from the kinds of medical treatment or non-treatment that were being pushed by the experts and by the hospitals. So he looks at it and he says, if you look at the VAERS database, you see that the deaths of seniors, people over 60, went up by 19,000%. And while this is happening, DeSantis and his Surgeon General are not doing anything to stop those vaccines for seniors. So, you know, it's the same thing I saw when we look at this, the reverse data, the upside-down data, saying, oh, yeah, everybody is dying of COVID.

And that was not the case. People were dying from lack of treatment or treatment that was going to kill them, very dangerous drugs, ventilators, things like that. DeSantis' previous statements and actions that he has always been, show that he's always been pro-COVID injection. He was also part of Trump's Operation Warp Speed. I've put together, he said, a video that documents his history in rolling out the shots in the state of Florida.

That's under 10 minutes. He's got links to it on Odyssey and BitChute. But the bottom line is, he said, Governor DeSantis strongly pushed the shots on seniors in Florida. And this day, neither he nor his Surgeon General to this day have stopped recommending the shots for seniors. But data from the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System, the CDC's VAERS, shows a 19,000% increase in the deaths of seniors following the experimental COVID-19 vaccines compared to the average of seniors who died from all FDA-approved vaccines the previous 10 years prior to COVID in 2020.

And as he points out, flu shots are relentlessly pushed to the elderly. They were the target of the flu shot. And the flu shot was one of the most dangerous shots in terms of the VAERS database. So from December 2020, when the experimental COVID shots started, through the end of 2021, a period of 13 months, there were 396 deaths, 450 permanent disabilities, 1,872 emergency room visits, and 2,551 hospitalizations for people over the age of 60 in the state of Florida who got the vaccine, according to the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System. Those are people who took the vaccine, then had permanent disability, death, emergency room visits, hospitalizations, and things like that. So that works out to a death rate of 30.5 deaths per month for COVID-19 shots given to seniors in Florida. About 31 people a month. He said for the 10 years prior to that, 2010 to 2019, there were only 5,742 cases filed.

So he says, including 19 deaths, you had 19 deaths over 10 years. And then over a period of 13 months, you got 396 deaths. And this is what we saw from day one. I don't buy the fact that DeSantis and his surgeon general didn't know this. We were talking about this in January of 2021. Within a month, we already had a ton of data. Look at this.

Look at how many people have had this condition. Look at how many deaths there are compared to the VAERS database. It's only been a couple of weeks, or it's only been a month, and already we've got as many as were in the database for five years, for 10 years, and it became 15, 20, 30. Now it's more, way more than all the other vaccines that have been tracking since 1986, when they began tracking them. And so this was known from the very beginning. And here we are, we're going to say, well, we're just not going to do it with kids. Why not with kids? Well, because you don't have any possible deniability.

That's why when we talk about all these people suddenly dying and it's young athletes that are suddenly dying, then everybody understands it's a shot. When you have people over 60 suddenly dying, you can say, well, comorbidity is exactly what they should have been saying about COVID on day one. So anyway, what does that work out to? Another way to look at this is that you have a death rate per month for the 10 years prior for all vaccines, the death rate per month was 0.16. Or another way to look at it is that over 10 months you would have one and a half people die under two people die a year but anyway 0.16 versus 30.5 a 1900 increase and i'm not going to stop any of that the annual flu shot promoted heavily amongst seniors for the previous 10 years brian says as to the children of the state of Florida,

they're still being injected with these bioweapons, even though they're not recommended. They haven't stopped it. Nobody is stopping this anywhere. Nobody's stopping it. Nobody's speaking about stopping it. Anywhere in the U.S. government, any of these officials that I'm aware of,

some of them will focus on the injuries that have been caused to people. Ron Johnson will talk, and good for him, talking about the injuries that have happened, not ignoring them. But everyone is afraid to say, even stop the COVID-19 vaccines. And you hear people like Rand Paul saying saying the problem with Fauci is he pushed these COVID vaccines through and he's making people vaccine hesitant. Well, I think you got your priorities wrong, Rand. Anyway, over a thousand children have been reported in the VAERS database as suffering

adverse reactions following a COVID experimental shot. Many babies included, even before the shots were authorized by the FDA for babies and toddlers, because Florida is home to three COVID-19 ongoing vaccine trials for Moderna for babies and for toddlers. Here is one baby from Florida listed in VAERS who apparently died in one of these trials two days after he was injected. Age, one year old. Location, Florida. Increased body temperature, seizure, and death.

Two days after being injected. Florida Governor Ron DeSantis is no savior. He is a murderer. And I agree with that assessment. I agree with that because he doesn't even want to have any responsibility. He knows that they're wrong, even to the extent that he wants to ask the Florida Supreme Court for permission to have a grand jury. He doesn't want to have his attorney general investigate this. He wants to have somebody else do the investigation and he wants the Supreme court to give permission for somebody else to do

the investigation. He's a coward. He's not going to stand up to something that is going to kill you. Do you think he's going to stand for individual liberties if he won't stand up for people that are murdering us for these vaccines. I just, you know, we have to draw the line somewhere on these people. Yeah, he might do this or he might do that. But you can't trust anybody who allow the pharmaceutical industry is so afraid, afraid of the pharmaceutical industry that he'll allow them to continue to kill people when he knows it's dangerous. As Brian concludes, he said, the Lord is known by his justice. He quotes the Psalms 9.

The wicked are ensnared by the works of their hands. The needy will not always be forgotten, Nor the hope of the afflicted ever perish But do not put any hope in these politicians Especially the ones who have aspirations to go to Washington Take a look at what this man said A 48-year-old man And he put this out on social media I'm a 48-year-old man. And he put this out on social media. I'm a 48-year-old man.

Multiple PEs in my lungs. Non-sustained VT in my heart. Severe vaccine-mediated thrombolytic vasculitis. Severe widespread vascular neuropathy I require carers now to wash me I'm going to need carers to make food for me and dress me before your vaccine

I had a successful career. I could row 5k on the rowing machine in under 19 minutes. I could do 20k on a watt bike in under half an hour. I was fit as any man. And this is what your safe vaccine has done to me. And you're all colluding together with the media. Covering it up. You're absolutely disgusting.

What you've done to me and what you've done to all the others. And I know the BBC, what you're up to there's going to be another article coming out to discredit us next week because this is what you do you have people working for you to discredit us and shut us up don't think that I don't know what you're up to

so bring your article out next week bring your interview out next week and try and discredit us because you're full of absolute shit you evil bastards. Yeah. At LiveScoreBet, we love Cheltenham just as much as we love football. The excitement, the roar and the chance to reward you.

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and this is what Angry Tiger was talking about, the health board is to consider banning COVID flu shots. Well, that looks good. The problem is when you read what the county commissioners say. So the Elko County Board of Health is scheduled to meet Wednesday to discuss and to consider placing a moratorium on COVID-19 and flu vaccines in the county. I felt the same way. It's like, yes, this is the way we do it at the local level.

Except you have to have good people at the local level, and they don't have good people at the local level on the County Board of Health. The board also considered discontinuing local advertising for COVID-19 and flu vaccines pending further investigation results of the Florida Supreme Court case to investigate the wrongdoing related to COVID-19 vaccines, says the agenda. That's where it started to go south. Oh, OK. Well, we're going to do this after there's an investigation, after DeSantis gets the Supreme Court to grant permission to some other people who don't work for DeSantis. So he doesn't have any responsibility for this. Again, he is, you know, I understand how grand juries work. You don't need a grand jury to investigate this kind of crime.

You need to have a backbone to do that. DeSantis knows how to get things done. He's very clever. And he damn well knows that he has the authority to investigate this kind of crime and racketeering, but he doesn't want to take it on. Because what would happen to him? We saw what happened to Andrew Bridgen, the only politician that I'm aware of that stood up and said anything about it in both the UK and the US.

The only politician. What happened? He got purged out of the Conservative Party. He's now labeled and tarred and feathered as a racist because he tweeted out a study from an Israeli scientist who pointed out how this is killing people. Now it's a bioweapon. So what is really going on here? Well, John Carr, an Elko County Board of Health Commissioner, said that he thinks those agenda items never should have been put on the agenda and that it resulted from a miscommunication. A concerned resident spoke about the possible problems with vaccines, such as heart problems and inflammation, Carr said. And so the resident pointed to DeSantis'

efforts to investigate COVID-19 vaccines, as well as right-wing editorials about vaccines. So Carr is one of these public health dictators He says we've already been notified by legal That we don't have the authority to issue a moratorium I believe it's just a miscommunication And I'm hoping that it gets tabled indefinitely Another commissioner on the Board of Health Also does not think that the Board has the authority to issue a moratorium

We do not regulate or have any direct oversight of the health care industry. Seriously? It's been these county board of healths that have been telling people to wear masks or you can take the mask off now or whatever, mother may I. Staying up to date with COVID-19 vaccines is one of the most effective ways to protect against serious illness, said the email from the health officials. The health district also recommends people get their seasonal flu vaccine, wash their hands often with soap and running water.

It's not clear that somebody in the county commissioners put that on the agenda. But again, it's kind of weak because it depends on if there is a grand jury in Florida that is allowed by the Supreme Court and if they find anything wrong with it. And it still has to get passed. And with this blowback from all the local health people, we've seen this type of thing before. So we'll see. Even if they pass this, there's still a couple of levels indirect from what even DeSantis is doing. DeSantis doesn't want to, as a governor, have his law enforcement agency investigate this known fraud.

He knows how dangerous they are. And so he has the Supreme Court give permission for another body, a grand jury. And then these people in Las Vegas say, well, and if all of that happens, and if they find this thing, then we will try to do something about it. And immediately the local health officials say, nah, you can't do anything about that. It goes back again to getting the right people in at the local level who are going to stand up to these bureaucrats. And in many ways, that's going to be the sheriff. That's really where the rubber meets the road.

Because government ultimately comes down to force one way or the other. New York Supreme Court has struck down the COVID vaccine mandate for health care workers. And this was a very, very strong ruling from the Supreme Court Judge Gerard Nary. He declared the statewide COVID-19 vaccine mandate for medical staff, quote, null, void, and of no effect. He said the state health department overstepped its authority. He also found that the mandate was, quote, arbitrary and capricious, unquote. He cited evidence that the vaccines do not prevent the spread of the virus,

undercutting the basis for the mandate. And this is what he said as a decision. He said, in true Orwellian fashion, the respondents acknowledge then-current COVID-19 shots do not prevent transmission, he wrote, citing a summary of assessment of public comment that was entered as evidence in the case. This ruling came after a lawsuit that was filed by medical professionals for informed consent. These are people who had been negatively affected by this,

either lost their job or they faced the prospect of job loss. Because, again, coercion is not choice. That is the cynical line that these authoritarians have thrown out. Well, you got a choice. I'm not forcing you to do it. You know, people like Alan Dershowitz do want to force you. I would support the government coming to your house, said Alan Dershowitz, Trump's lawyer, and I would support them coming to your house, dragging you out of your house, and forcefully

putting this in your arm. I would support that. And I would argue that before the Supreme Court. And I would win. Well, maybe he would. Because he's a good lawyer. Who has absolutely no ethics. No ethics whatsoever.

Defender of Jeffrey Epstein. I guess that's why Trump picked him. All in that club, right? The Lolita Club. Anyway, the people, medical professionals for informed consent, said this is a huge win for New York health care workers who have been deprived of their livelihoods for more than a year. It is also a huge win for all New Yorkers

who are facing dangerous and unprecedented health care worker shortages throughout New York State. Think about that. Do these people really care about public health if they are firing medical staff because they didn't get the vaccine? That's been the absurdity of this thing from the very beginning. You're going to fire the people who are going to provide health care in the name of providing health care? If they don't obey you, it's nothing but a game of Simon Says. That's all that there is to this thing.

So emails are showing in one of the Twitter releases that Pfizer and Moderna funded a campaign to have Twitter censor tweets about the vaccine. Explains a lot of the shadow banning for me, I guess. The Public Good Projects, PGP. Used to be a thing called PGP, pretty good privacy, to help people have private emails. Now they've got just the opposite, the Public Goods Project to censor everybody. They don't like what you say. A nonprofit that developed several projects to fight so-called COVID misinformation got $1,275,000 from FISA and Moderna lobbying group to create a content moderation campaign that influenced Twitter's COVID misinformation rules. PGP sent Twitter lobbyists and content moderators weekly emails containing

lists of tweets to censor and people to censor. You know, when we see this type of thing, you can say, well, it's a nonprofit. You had Curtis Chang. He was somebody who got a theology degree or something from Duke University. I don't know if he was ever a pastor, but he got a lot of money from the Ad Council and all these other groups under Trump, under Trump, to convince pastors that they needed to convince the people that went to their churches to get the vaccine. He did videos with Robert Jeffress. This guy's got a mega church, a MAGA church as well, in Dallas.

He did videos with Franklin Graham. Now, these guys are running nonprofits, right? But they get paid by these nonprofits. Curtis Chain got a lot of money to push this vaccine, to push the idea. It's loving your neighbor to get the vaccine. And you need to tell that to the people at your church. And it's not anything to do with the mark of the beast. It's not a precursor to that. It's not setting up the idea of we're going to coerce you to do this or you're going

to be kicked out of society. It's very important for them that you consent to this under coercion, right? When you look at what these people are trying to do, they could have easily have done what Alan Dershowitz wanted to do, but they want you to violate your conscience. They want you to violate your religious beliefs. The point is, they want to coerce you into submitting to them. That's why it's so important for them. It's just like they have an obsession

to reveal to you what the agenda is. You know, we want you to understand what we're going to do with you. And then if you don't stop us, that is a kind of consent. And so it's also important for them to coerce you to the point of submission. Pfizer board member and Trump FDA advisor, Scott Gottlieb, complained to Twitter in August 2021 about Alex Berenson. A couple of days later, he was completely kicked off because these people like to go above and beyond the wishes of their government masters. They're just good little deputies.

Yes, sir. Look at this. I can jump even higher. I want you to be happy with what I do. The FAA has quietly, tacitly admitted that the EKGs, the electrocardiograms, of pilots are no longer normal. We should be concerned, very concerned. This is from Steve Kirsch. He said they hid this for quite a long time. It was back in October. In the October version of the FAA Guide for Aviation Medical Examiners, the FAA quietly widened the EKG parameters beyond the normal range

from a PR max of 0.2 to unlimited. Now, I don't know what that measurement is. I don't know what 0.2 means. But't know what a 0.2 means, but the bottom line is that they had a fixed amount there. And then they said, well, we're just going to forget that. We don't really care about the parameters. And they didn't widen the range by just a little bit. They widened it by a lot. And it was done after the vaccine rollout. This is extraordinary, says Steve Kirsch. They did it hoping that nobody would notice, and it worked for quite some time. Nobody caught it, but you can't hide these things forever. This is a tacit admission from our U.S. government that the COVID vaccine has damaged the hearts of pilots, and not just a

few pilots, a lot of pilots, and a lot of damage. It's like saying, well, you know what? We know that people aren't going to have normal EKGs anymore, so just forget about that. That's what they're saying. We talked about this. Pilots for Freedom was the organization, something like that. I forget the exact title, but I've interviewed some people from there. And they were talking about the fact that this is still an experimental untested vaccine. If you get medical treatment, things like that, especially if it's experimental, you're not supposed to be flying for a period of time.

They broke all the rules. They waived all the rules. Cardiac harm, of course, is not limited to pilots. Steve Kirsch says, my best guess right now that it's over 50 million Americans have sustained some amount of heart damage from the site. But I just want to say, as we talk about this, other news sites have been picking this up and adding false sensational details to it.

I'm sure you have seen a lot of the reports. All the Davos private jets are looking for unvaccinated pilots and things like that. You had, again, that association of freedom flyers or something like that. I forget what it was, but it was pilots, but it was also other flight attendants and others who are pushing them back against these vaccine mandates, also pushing back against the mask mandates and things like that, but especially against the vaccine stuff. And a spokesperson for them came out and said, look, this is what we're talking about, what

Steve Kirsch is talking about. But we're not saying that Davos is out there doing it. That is the kind of false stuff that is added by a lot of alternative media because they want to get clicks. And what he said was clickbait media is a plague. And it is. Why? Because it discredits the real information. Here's the real information.

Forget about Davos pilots and all the rest of this stuff and the, you know, the scuttlebutt about, oh yeah, no, the private jet people are looking for all these unvaccinated pilots. That may be true. But what we do know is true is that the FAA has said, well, let's change the ranges for what we're going to allow for EKGs. That's the big information. Not as sensational as if, you know, Davos is doing that and you don't get all the clickbait that you do in InfoWars putting up those types of articles. But it's important not to add false details just so that you can drive traffic to your site. We'll be right back.

Stay with us. I'm going to go. Whether you're feeling like the blues or bluegrass, APS Radio has you covered. Check out a wide variety of channels on our app at APSradio.com. All right, and thank you, Geesebusters. Geesebusters, appreciate the tip on Rockfin. Interesting, you know, after the interview that I had with Eric Peters, we were talking for just a moment after the show ended and as the show was ending, as the interview was ending with Eric Peters, we talked about how to protect chickens because we've

had really bad luck. We've lost a couple of flocks when we were back in Texas, and we haven't set things up yet. And so we talked a little bit about that. But then after the show, he said, you need to get a fake owl and put it out there to scare away a lot of these predators from the air. I said, oh, that's an interesting thing. Now, Geesebusters, Geesebusters doesn't have fake owls.

He's got something a lot more sophisticated than that to basically get the geese to go somewhere else because they can be quite an annoyance, but it made me think about, uh, about that. He doesn't do it that way, but, um, uh, maybe, maybe we will do that and might have an added benefit. As I told Eric that maybe we could fly our drone because we have so many Hawks both here and in Texas and they start zooming in on that drone as soon as we put it up there so um anyway uh maybe a fake owl is is in the works but if you want a good coin uh I've got uh we've got some good pictures some better pictures of the coin uh that Jason Barker designed and put together for us and um there you can see it there we're going to get an even better closer up picture of that uh to show you and put that on the website

you can start to see a little bit of the detail there but it needs to get in a little bit closer i think travis before we can um see all the detail that's on the coin that you see with the naked eye but of course we also have a new design coming out for a coffee cup, but we've got a coffee cup right now, as well as a tumbler. And the tumbler is made by Koozie, great at keeping things warm, even in this cold weather that we've been having here. Let's talk a little bit about what's going on in Davos. We're talking about the private jets and whether they want to have any unvaccinated pilots.

Well, we don't know about that, but what we do know, because we have this hand-wringing article written by the green protesters in Europe, one in 10 of the people who are attending Davos got there by private jet. And of course, the motivating thing for everything that they're doing is climate change, just like that's going to be the motivating factor for even CBDC. Private jet emissions quadrupled during the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland last year. That was in May when they had it. And now they have, in May of last year, they had 1,040 private jets flew in and out of the airports, releasing four times the average weekly CO2 emission from this highly polluting mode of travel. Now, the interesting thing about this coming out of Euronews, all the tisking of all this stuff, it's not just about, oh, look at these people are absolute hypocrites. No, these people at Euronews believe all this stuff about CO2.

And so as a result, they want to ban private jets. The Davos people might get what they're fighting, just like Google get hoisted by their own petard. The rich and powerful flock to Davos in private jets to discuss global economics and the climate behind closed doors while winter temperature records are broken all over Europe, says Greenpeace campaigner.

Well, the reality is, is that the common people can't even afford to heat their home. And these people are flying around in private jets. That's the reality of it. But again, like Robosphere, eventually they are going to be victims of the revolution that they have started and their private jets. Let them fly privately. Yeah, that'd be no cars, but you can fly private jets, right? As we look at the people who are on the Davos dais,

there has been a lot of back and forth again, people speculating, well, maybe they knew something. Maybe there's some kind of a false flag that's about to happen. That's why they all decide to stay home. George Soros, suddenly pulling out of Davos, raises questions, except that he did it, not suddenly, but he did it on January the 10th. It does raise questions though, when he says he's got a scheduling conflict and scheduling conflict as a month after this event, it's like, I don't know how much of a conflict that is,

but nevertheless, he did send his son there. So if people think that he's hiding out because there's going to be some kind of an attack or something. He sent his son. Maybe he doesn't care about his son. I don't know. There's not attendance along with inaccurate claims that Klaus Schwab was also not attending his own conference. He was sick, but I, and he was scheduled not to speak the first day. I'm not sure if he did speak the first day.

They did say he was going to speak the second day. He might have even spoken on the first day because this is his particular show. A lot of people are saying, you know, he has such tight control over this and he's reluctant to give the limelight to a number two or to pick a successor. He's sick. He's 83. Is this thing going to continue to go on? Well, whether or not Davos continues to go on, whether or not the World Economic Forum that meets in? Well, whether or not Davos continues to go on, whether or not the World Economic Forum that meets in Davos, whether or not that's going to go on, this agenda is going to go on because it is a satanic agenda.

It goes for generations because the agenda to attack humanity, to attack our humanity and to depopulate the earth, that is a satanic agenda, and that will continue. His absence from Davos has prompted claims that the globalist cabal, that is Soros, is planning something that would help to bring about a new world order. You'll know that we're in deep doo-doo if the plane trackers catch him and his cult brethren flying to New Zealand bunkers, said one person. False flag coming, and so forth.

I don't think that was the case. The other aspect that is being looked at by the mainstream media, that's what the alt media is saying. The mainstream media is looking at this and saying, have they lost their clout? Have they become a who cares? There aren't any G7 leaders that are in attendance except for the German leader. And so a lot of people are saying, well, well, maybe that's it. Some of the people that they were saying did not show up was Bill Gates, but he was not scheduled to speak. They put out a list of all the high-profile speakers that are going to be there.

The online program for the 2023 event did not list him as a speaker. He would have been listed because he's been there on a regular basis. Elon Musk mocking the globalist elite. He says, I guess there's value to having a mixed government and commercial form of some kind. But the World Economic Forum does kind of give me the willies. But I'm sure that everything's just fine, he said. Well, kind of gives me the willies when he chooses as his thumbnail his Baphomet costume. And he knows all about mixing government and corporations, doesn't he?

That's how he became the richest man on earth. Um, so, uh, he was saying that in response to a Substack article that had been put out by Michael Schellenberger and Isabella Kamiska. And they were talking about the now famous welcome to 2030. I own nothing. I have no privacy. Life has never been better video that they did back in 2015. What is interesting, because that's pure Marxism, right? I have nothing.

Private property is gone. Well, that's nothing other than Marxism, communism. But what's interesting is that the world economic forum managing director, Adrian Monk pushed back against that, said, that's not us. That was something that other people did. And they blamed us. Um, you know, they, they said that we did it. They said that was produced by 4chan. Well, no, actually, um, they produced it. And so there was a back and forth as to, uh, actually, they produced it. And so there was a back and forth as to who actually did it.

The story of You'll Own Nothing and Be Happy is anything but trivial, and it offers valuable insights into how misinformation is created and why it's essential not to perpetuate its spread, said Monk at the WEF. Schellenberger and Kamiska linked to the now deleted World Economic Forum content to refute his claim. You see, the internet doesn't forget. These guys keep forgetting

that the internet doesn't forget in most cases. You can go back and find it. What Monk claimed was inaccurate, they said. The phrase, own nothing, be happy, hadn't originated on 4chan. It originated on the world economic forums website.

They also highlighted the organization's lack of transparency and it's declared commitment to ESG environmental, social governance, uh, by the way, Musk. And so then they developed this thing about, well, you know musk wants to

throw shade on them they say well he's not invited and he hasn't been invited in 2008 musk was listed among its young global leaders he said i was invited but i declined the information the invitation and um they said well he hasn hasn't been invited for several years now. They invited him several times in 2010s, the last one being in 2015. He never registered. He didn't attend the annual meeting. He says, the reason I didn't go, my reason for declining the Davos invitation was not because I thought they were engaged in diabolical scheming,

but because it sounded boring. So perhaps if he knew that they were going to be engaged in diabolical scheming, he could put on his Baphomet costume and gone. It wouldn't have been boring. He kind of left that open, I guess. Maybe he is still open to diabolical scheming. I think there's a lot of diabolical scheming that's going on in his industries as he's putting up satellites for the military and trying to set up this network of 5G that we can't escape

broadcasting it to us all the time. Anyway, the world economic forum says, well, yeah, we don't like a Musk. We haven't invited him since 2015 after he turned us down about five or six times forum members. Listen to this. You have to pay to be a forum member. You have to pay anywhere from $130,000 a year to $921,000 a year. Yeah. It's a club, and that's why you and I ain't in it. It's too expensive, among other things, besides being boring and diabolical schemes. Many executives trek to Davos to ride the coattails, says the AP,

to ride the coattails of the meeting and the hobnobbing with corporate executives who flock to town at times taking pot shots at the forum from the sidelines. For example, Richard Branson, the British tycoon behind Virgin, has reportedly come to town several times without attending the meeting himself. I guess maybe, you know, like a lot of these billionaires, he's too cheap to pony up a billion dollars. So he just comes to town and does his business in his hotel room with these people. I guess maybe, you know, like a lot of these billionaires, he's too cheap to pony up a billion dollars. So he just comes to town and does his business in his hotel room with these people.

You know, Musk goes directly to Washington, D.C. and to Beijing. He doesn't need to go to Davos. Just talks to the government there. Why, in absence of A-listers at Davos is not just deep trouble for the World Economic Forum, but also for globalization, is it? Is globalization in trouble? Well, the reality is, is that it's not. We got mainstream media saying, oh, you know, we just may be on the ropes. They're trying to make us not be worried about what they're planning.

As their plans get more aggressive, as the timeline begins to contract and get closer and closer to us, they want us to think that globalization is over. It's dying. It isn't coming back. And so there's article after article about that. Don't believe it. This is not going to go away. The only thing that has kind of slowed this thing down, really,

is the war that these people have started. That's one of the key things that was discussed at Davos on the second day. They said, is this the end of globalization? But more important fact, says Sky News, is that the very world that Davos thrived in is disintegrating. Why? Well, because there's a war in mainland Europe. Indeed, some have described this conflict in Ukraine as the beginning of a world war. A lot of people, a lot of people have seen it as that. So Davos has been written off many times before, possibly including by yours truly,

the writer of this article for Sky News. He said a lot of people thought Trump's election would spell disaster for the forum. Yet he attended it more than once. And he was there at the last winter meeting back in early 2020. And of course, he enacted every bit of their agenda that they wanted. The vaccine for the passport, for the ID, and all the rest of this stuff. As a matter of fact, the first one of these schemes that went out, Davos had the first scheme for a global database for a global vaccine ID, the common ID. And they said, look, we have to have a trusted source.

We are that source. We've got the software written because it's not a big deal. And everybody needs to have this app. You have somebody that is a trusted health care provider at the local level, puts the information in, then we keep it in our database, the Common Pass, they called it. They had the Common Project. All that stuff predated this lockdown stuff.

And now what they're saying is that the vaccine passport and everything has provided an important precedent for this, and we have the structure, and we need to keep this thing going, and we need to extend it to protect everybody from people who are using too much CO2 to protect the climate. The forum's official motto is committed to improving the state of the world, right? Well, actually what they're committed to is creating a world state,

a world government, if you will. And so you have the mainstream media working very hard to try to cover this up, what they're doing, and try to tell us that, you know, Davos is not really a threat to you. Don't worry about the fact that they keep adding more and more things that they want to take away from you, you know, and have you truly owning nothing. I can't get any new clothes and can't eat meat, can't eat dairy, can't travel and all the rest

of this stuff. No, they're not really a threat. They're dying, they tell us. And then Reuters comes out and fact-checks the idea that the World Economic Forum did not declare that God is dead or that humans would become gods. That was just Yuval Harari. And he's only been chosen by them to speak a few times. He's not officially with them, so maybe he didn't pay his million-dollar dues. So he's not an official him so maybe he didn't pay his million dollar dues so he's not an official member says Reuters and yet the fact remains that he said all of these things and they say well this is just coming from Yuval Noah Harari who announced that the World Economic Forum has been so successful in its plans that it's acquiring divine powers, quote-unquote, of creation and destruction, one person said, tweeting out an article.

And adds that Harari promises the World Economic Forum will turn humans into gods. Well, where she got that wrong and where they quibble with this and try to defend the World Economic Forum is that he's not saying that this has been done by the World Economic Forum, and it's not the World Economic Forum is going to turn humans into God, but that is the basis of his book. And they invited him to speak after he wrote that book, and that is the central premise of his book, and they invited him many times to speak. They didn't invite him to a debate. Well, you say that we're all going to become gods and we're going to rule over other people. Well, we don't believe that. No, you've had Klaus Schwab say, we are going to be the ones who set the future.

Those of us here in this room, you see this over and over again being said not only by Klaus Schwab, but also by the people who attend the World Economic Forum. But Reuters wants to cover for them. Again, they knew his views. It wasn't a debate. They didn't have any opposition. If you go back and look at his books, 2015, Sapiens, A Brief History of Humankind. Followed that up two years later with Homo Deus. In other words, the man God. Man is God. That man is God is the way that it's typically translated into non-English books as a title. But Homo Deus, A Brief History of Tomorrow. Tomorrow is when man turns into God, in other words.

That was in 2017. And again, some of the ones that man as God or man to God is what they would typically translate it, for example, in Spanish. And then in 2018, 21 lessons for the 21st century. But still, these were the basis on which they invited him to speak in 2018 and then again in 2020. All of those books were there. And in those books, as Reuters correctly quotes him, now humans are developing even bigger powers than ever before. We are really acquiring divine powers of creation and destruction. We are really upgrading humans into gods.

We are acquiring, for example, the power to re-engineer life. That's why they wanted him to speak. So Reuters says, no, there's no evidence the World Economic Forum does not think that God is dead. It's just plausible inniability on the part of both World Economic Forum and Reuters because the organization is endorsing a rabid

transhumanist to speak to them. And they do see themselves as above everyone else. And by the way, on that basis, so does Musk. Musk is a rabid transhumanist. We got to turn into cyborgs and live forever or the artificial intelligence I'm creating is going to kill everybody, he says.

Actor Idris Elba was there, I guess, since the guy who was the king of Davos, Kevin Spacey, is now out of favor, they found a new face, Idris Elba. He said, Davos is the de facto platform for governments to mobilize. Oh, yeah, I agree with that. I think that's absolutely true. That's what's so concerning about it. You know, the interesting thing about Kevin Spacey at the time, they announced that he was pronounced him king of Davos.

He was a raconteur. He was all over the place at Davos entertaining people. But they loved him because, again, he was playing a, at the time, he had a TV series where he was playing an immoral, corrupt president. They liked that stuff. They loved that. Oh, yeah, come do that here. Davos said Idris Elba has become the de facto platform for governments, for corporates, for philanthropists, for activism, for protesters

to mobilize quickly. That's right. He says, let's be frank. It's taken decades for corporations, for governments to understand, for economies to be built to last. We need to empower the youth. Oh, really? Is that what this is about? We need social equity and we need to protect our environment. So he's again pushing ESG. He's pushing Davos and that is a central part of their agenda. Today it's well recognized that the economic, social and natural well-being of our planet are all completely interrelated and Davos may be one of the first platforms to get it. That's right. They have a seminal role in ESG, and they are still one of the principal pushers of all of that. So let's talk about what this fundamentally is.

There was an article talking about how all this green stuff, the way they put it in the UK. They said this is just warmed over Marxism. And they're right. I've called it watermelon Marxism because it's completely red with a thin veneer of green. But if you look inside it, it's just total Marxism. All this, you will own nothing.

You'll be happier. Davos, you have John Kerry saying that it's already now too late, but send me more money anyway. We have Greta who is showing us what a great actress she is here. She's supposedly part

of a very violent protest. Supposedly she got arrested. Here she is, the police and Greta, they're all laughing. Yeah, it's all a lark, isn't it? It's all for the cameras. Pose for the cameras, you're getting arrested. And so the police stand there, pose with their arms on Greta.

We're arresting her. The whole thing is a sham and a scam. And of course John Kerry is one of the central figures to always do this. We're arresting her. The whole thing is a sham and a scam. And, of course, John Kerry is one of the central figures to always do this. He wants a no-carbon future, he said. Well, I guess if you've got a no-carbon future, you've got no life. If you've got a no-carbon future, you're not even going to have cathodes and anodes for your batteries. I was blown away when I saw the article. Some people were saying, hey,

I think we can cut the carbon content of our batteries. You know, batteries have carbon content, right? They use energy, in other words. I think we can cut it because if we use these metals that we've been, that's been common in the manufacturing process, we've got to heat them up to 5,000 degrees, and we've got to keep it there for a week. Well, if we start out with the carbon that's already in wood, they said, we can extract that carbon and not have to use as much energy to make the cathodes and the anodes for our batteries. Everything takes energy.

But they don't count it if it's their special new technologies. So, Kerry, blame the flooding in California. It's that it's climate change. Because, you know, if it's too wet, if it's too dry, if it's too hot, if it's too cold, if there's too much snow or not any snow at all, then, you know, it's climate change. And that's amazing because we see the same thing happening all at once. As Davos was kicking off Sunday evening, there were these pictures from a British tabloid saying, well, you know, look at Davos a couple of years ago. And they had these pictures left and right, left and right.

Here it is a couple of years ago. Look at all the snow in Davos, Switzerland in January. And then look at this year. You know, there's no snow at all. Uh, yeah, it's always going to be too much or too little. And at the same time, they're saying there's no snow at all. They're freaking out about what's going on in California or where you have a ski resorts who have so much snow, they can't operate.

Well, that's climate change, but it's also climate change when they don't have snow because these people will always push their agenda. So Kerry lectured the business CEOs for failing to recognize the destructive process of growth. These people are no growth. They want to reduce the population, everything that everybody uses. They don't want to come up with any alternatives to anything. They just want to shut everything down. He said, you people have been involved in robber baron growth. Well, he's true. The robber barons, however, the people who are pushing all

this green stuff and charging us exorbitant amounts as they want to change our environment. So we've got a lot of predictions from these. And they don't always get it right. Isn't that interesting? You know, the people who say, you know, Alex Jones is always right. They forget about all the ones that he missed. And they forget about the ones that Davos missed as well. Nuclear war, we had George Soros predicting back in 2018 that we're going to nuclear war with North Korea.

That didn't happen. As recently as this last May when they met, because they didn't meet in January, they met in May, and FTX crash was not anything they predicted. As a matter of fact, you had at that Davos meeting last May, Brett Harrison, president of FTX US, told CNBC at Davos in 2022, May 2022, that the company was in very good position regarding capital and was looking at acquisitions until everything blew up just a couple of months later. In 2019, Jeff Schumacher, founder of BCG Digital Ventures, said that the price of Bitcoin was going to go to zero. Well, I mean, I guess that's unless the government is paying off some hackers who are blackmailing everybody.

I loved this from the Babylon Bee. John the Baptist invited to speak at the World Economic Forum on the benefits of eating locusts. World Economic Forum invited John the Baptist to speak after uncovering his propensity for eating disgusting bugs and owning nothing while being happy. The unkept prophet who arrived dressed in camel's hair was a key speaker in a discussion about the benefits of eating locusts. They taste great with honey.

And he says, it's really not as gross as you think. It's pure protein. So they applauded until he told them to repent of your sins, be baptized in the Holy Spirit. Flee from the wrath to come. And at that point, someone in the audience yelled out, we're perfect. They say it was somebody else, but I think maybe that was Trump who was secretly there, because that's usually what Trump says in response to all of that. Well, we're going to take a break, and we're going to go to Sheriff David Hathaway, as I said.

I think you're going to find the interview very interesting because he talks about his views on immigration as somebody who has lived there all of his life. His interactions with the Border Patrol and how they have been out of control and how many times when we look at something that the federal government is doing, we will, well, the federal government will frequently, once they create a problem, we know they will double down on that and make it worse. They'll commit two mistakes rather than admitting to the first one and fixing the first one. But we often do that as well. Many times we will look at what the federal government is doing. And, you know, I think one of the best examples of this is we know that the central thing that they're trying to impose on us, whether it's CBDC or whether it's vaccine passports or the rest of the stuff, is going to be a global ID. And are we sleepwalking into this when we start demanding E-Verify in order to get a job?

We're worried that somebody who's not an American citizen is going to get a job. So who's going to be carded for that, right? Who is going to be, do we want to make everything that we do in this life dependent on permission from the government? And so there's a lot of things to talk about. I understand that there are criminal elements that are free to move back and forth. And we'll talk about prohibition and the effectiveness of prohibition because David has had a lot of experience with the DEA. He's seen that from the inside as well. Finally, he talks about why, with all these views, why is he still a sheriff? We had to record this yesterday afternoon.

So this is the prerecorded interview that we had yesterday with Sheriff David Hathaway, Santa Cruz County, Arizona. All right, joining us now is Sheriff David Hathaway. He is a sheriff in Santa Cruz County in Arizona, right on the border. And there's been a lot happening right there in his area. We wanted to get an update from him in terms of what he sees the problems are there, solutions to what is happening. But there's a lot of things that we want to talk to Sheriff Hathaway about. The Homeland Security obsession with tracking people, as well as the sheriffs in Illinois who are standing on their authority to not enforce the gun control orders of the Democrat

governor and the legislature as they just passed a massive gun control bill. So joining us now is Sheriff David Hathaway. Thank you for joining us, Sheriff. Thank you, David. Good to talk to you again. It's always good talking to you. Now, you've been right at ground zero there. We've had the outgoing Governor Ducey, who started putting shipping containers there on the wall as they're concerned about the masses of people that are on the border.

As Title 42, they're talking about that being taken away this whole immigration situation on both sides it is something of a mess tell us your perspective on this yeah if i can step away from my position as a law enforcement officer for a little bit and just talk as a private individual what should be the correct position on immigration and on borders and i actually wrote a book on this a few years ago it's called immigration individual versus national borders because i saw looking at the libertarian community and i consider myself once again not speaking as the position i'm in right now, as a radical libertarian, voluntarist, anarcho-capitalist, whatever you want to call it. I think the market can solve everything. Capitalism can solve

anything. Any problem, there are voluntary solutions to any problem. So, you know, I kind of saw a conflict in the libertarian community where some people wanted freedom and free market solutions in every area except borders except immigration except borders and i i delved into that read a lot that's been written by murray rothbard and hans from and hoppa on that subject of borders nations um there's a essay called nations by consentent. Murray Rothbard, Hans Hermann Hoppe have both written a lot on this topic. And so kind of within the Austro-libertarian community, sort of the libertarians that are part of the Austrian economics camp, some of them, not all of them, there's people that disagree with them like Bob Higgs, he's an Austrian economist, Bob Murphy, people like

that. But some of them would want the state to get out of everything in our life except for border enforcement. And so I thought, well, this is kind of an odd thing because I think free markets can handle anything. And just anecdotally, I do own ranch property right near the border in two counties in Arizona, in Santa Cruz County and in Cochise County. The ranch property has been in my family since the 1800s, since before Arizona became a state in 1912. And if I can just give you a little analogy, like, you know, all the correct position on borders, as in anything else, stems from private property. And you can get your understanding of

private property either as a Christian from understanding that God gave mankind dominion over the world, over their animals, over the environment, or you can get to that same conclusion through natural rights. You can study natural rights, self-ownership, and say you own yourself. You have the right to control all property that's within your domain, within your of control as long as you acquired that property uh voluntarily so if i look at my ranch property that's near the mexican border um as with any other property owner i consider myself to have the absolute right to invite anybody i want onto my property or to exclude anybody I want from coming onto my property. So I should be able to rent a house to a Mexican, for example, if it's a voluntary arrangement.

I should be able to hire an employee to work on my ranch. That's a Mexican. If I want to talk, nobody's coercing anybody to do anything. It's a voluntary arrangement. I should be able to sell something to a Mexican or American or anybody else. Now, the way I look at it as a like i say lab radical libertarian voluntarist that there should not be the ability for a third party to come in and put a perimeter around my property another border and say you cannot invite whoever

you want on your property or you cannot exclude whoever you want. And that third party, we could call him Darth Vader, or we could call him the United States of America. Some third party has no ability to tell me I can't trade with somebody else, or I can't have voluntary interactions with someone else, as long as the test is whether the interaction is voluntary. Now let's go up to where we are now. I know a lot of conservatives will disagree

with this position, but there are tax funded structures within the state. And border patrol is one of those tax funded structures in the state. So you have guys with guns that are blocking voluntary transactions from happening. And I think that that's an interference with the free market. And this book of mine, it just represents my journey exploring this issue,

like maybe I'm missing something. So it has multiple chapters that talk about all the different things like the welfare state, what's been known become to be known as cultural destruction or demographic change, cultural shifts, all the different arguments they use. But one of the main arguments is the welfare argument. And I always say, you should just get rid of welfare if there's a welfare magnet. And if I can do a little example from the era of alcohol prohibition, if you have a government program that causes a problem, you shouldn't create another government program to solve that problem. You should get rid

of the initial government intervention. So in the era of alcohol prohibition, which happened from 1920 to 1933, we had the first gun violence in the US, the first drive-by shootings, the first gang violence. So what was the solution? They drafted the first firearms US, the first drive-by shootings, the first gang violence. So what was the solution? They drafted the first firearms laws. The National Firearms Act of 1934 was actually drafted in 1933, the last year of prohibition. It was passed into a law, took effect in 1934. That was a direct result of alcohol prohibition. So now we have more gun laws. Why? Because of alcohol prohibition. Or if I can flash back to my years as I was a DEA supervisor and I transferred eight times in my career, my last five offices, I was the office head of the DEA, the Drug Enforcement

Administration, including in this county where I live right now. Now, one thing we noticed, I noticed this when I worked 10 years in Illinois for the DEA, that the drugs came in to coincide with when the welfare checks came in. The welfare checks came in first day of the month. So all the drugs came in at that period of time. So you know what you could do is you could say, well, this welfare state has created a problem.

So let's solve the problem by creating something like the dea or like a drug task force to solve to attack the secondary problem so you create another uh problem to attack the first i mean another government intervention to attack the problems created by the first government intervention so that's what i look at at border enforcement thirty thousand foot view, philosophical view, speaking as a libertarian, that if there's a problem, the problem most people would have is the existence of the welfare state. And I think people should actively oppose the welfare state and go back to what we used to have. Churches would provide the needs of any,

and they would verify if people really had voluntary needs. And if you got rid of that, then that would be the test to see if people are coming voluntary needs and if you got rid of that then that would be the test to see if people are coming here from nefarious reasons and the people that come here are mainly coming here to work like a native-born american is three times as likely to go on welfare as an immigrant is immigrants are almost entirely coming here to work sometimes people conflate the fentanyl uh importation with the migrants that are coming here to work but it's two separate issues the migrants aren't coming loaded down with fentanyl but i've talked too many words in a row there david so i'm going to turn it back to you but that's just kind of an

introduction before getting into kind of my position as a law enforcement officer just philosophically i think all rights stem from private property. And if you can uphold private property, free markets, and you honor the price signals of the free market, and instead of allowing for government intervention, you allow the market to serve everybody and to solve every problem. Well, I absolutely agree. You know, I told you the one question that I flunked on the Nolan chart, they give you 10 questions about civil liberties and 10 questions about economic liberty. And the one that I disagreed with them on was the

border issue. And as I told you, it was the welfare thing. I felt like, as you pointed out, it's a magnet that draws people through. It'll pull them through the wall, any wall. It'll pull them over the wall. It'll pull them under the wall. If you've got something there that you're offering free benefits, that's what you're going to get. So I think that's the fundamental issue. And if I can talk a little bit about the dichotomy, the difference between conservative viewpoint on this and, say, a libertarian viewpoint. I'm sure you've heard of Butler Schaefer.

He was a libertarian constitutional scholar. He has a daughter named Brittany Schaefer, he was a libertarian constitutional scholar, has a daughter named Brittany Schaefer. She has a podcast, and she's had a man on there two times named Todd Seavey. And he has said, it's interesting, his observation that borders and immigration have become the single issue to define if you are correct on the right or if you're correct on the left. He says you can be wrong on everything else. So, for example, you could be, if you believed in like an East Berlin style wall with razor wire on the top and machine gun nests every 100 meters, if you thought that's the correct position for enforcement on the southern border,

you could be wrong on everything else, on everything else that the right holds dear, like global warming, the Second Amendment, gender issues, religion, Israel. You could be wrong on everything else and you would be accepted on the right. If you were good on that issue, the same goes for the left. If you had the correct issue that the left or that the Democrats hold dear on immigration and borders, you could be wrong on every other issue. He said, this has become the predominant issue in politics to define if you are on the right

or on the left or if you're a Democrat or Republican. So I'm just kind of- It definitely was. Because it's very interesting. It's not like a range of issues. Yeah. This has become, and I really see it. I see when I take more more of a, like a free

market position on immigration and borders, I see the hatred from the right. I get emails and social media posts that, you know, filled with profanity. I get death threats in the mail. I don't report any of it. I'm not a sissy. I don't report any of this, but telling me that they want me, you know, to get killed and to go to hell and all this stuff, it's incredible the level of rhetoric that comes from what I, when I grew up, always thought, you know, conservative kind of meant like Christian, kind of meant like, you know, civil person, you know, like the following the Prince of Peace, you know. But it really has become the single issue that, you know, I can know like the following the prince of peace you know but yeah it really has become the single issue that you know i can see that in my area well i think that's largely because of the 2016 campaign trump made it the central issue and that really kind of defined he kind of redefined uh where the um what the right held as as important and he made it all about the border but i've talked about this in terms of E-Verify.

You know, you talked about secondary problems when the government creates a problem, and then rather than going back and seeing what the real issue is, they add secondary, tertiary things on top of that. Things like E-Verify, for example. I pushed back very hard against it. I said, look, I don't want to have a system where I've got to apply to Washington for permission to have a job. And this is how this escalates. Take a look at passports. You know, it wasn't that long ago, the early 20th century. You didn't have to have a passport to go anywhere.

As a matter of fact, John Kenneth Galbraith said, look, if you have gold, you can, you know, you can go in and you can buy your clothes here. You can travel into Europe from the UK and you can buy anything and you can buy your clothes here, you can travel into Europe from the UK, and you can buy anything that you want. You don't have to exchange into any currency, so you're free to travel. That's all changed. You're going to have passports everywhere. Even in the Reagan era, like Ronald Reagan was against the Berlin Wall. He was against walls. As the Soviet Union was making sort of ovations to emerge into freedom, he said, Mr. Gorbachev,

tear down this wall. And during that time, Reagan was also against tariffs. And also, you didn't need a passport as a U.S. citizen to come back to the U.S. Like my wife and I, when we were young, you know, both of our families lived here on the border. We just go back and forth on the border, you come back, it's your country, the US is your country, and you just say US citizen, declare your citizenship and come back. So you know, you've kind of seen like 180 degree change in the Republican Party in the last like whatever it is 33-34 years from the time of Reagan to the time of Trump, where you had the very much the free trade, the no tariffs, you know, needs. Everybody was afraid back then about a national ID card, if you start requiring passports to return to the country, just getting a national ID card and that whole E-Verify thing,

yeah, you're exactly right. And just as an example of my family being in the ranching, since my dad, my grandparents, my great grandparents in the ranching since my dad my grandparents my great-grandparents in this area there used to be a program called the brasil program it was very easy if you couldn't find an american that wanted to work on the ranch you could easily hire somebody from mexico they give you a little i-94 card a work visa and then they had to turn it in within a certain you know number of days 90 days 180 days or they'd never get another one again so it was easy to employ people but nowadays people are scared to death to employ anybody you know because of they're afraid they're going to run afoul with the feds because if they don't do the e-verify thing appropriately you can't do like my grandfather did and he needed the people to build

you know a couple of miles of barbed wire fence and just hire a bunch of people to go out there and cut the fence posts and dig the post holes and put it up. Now you're running risk of getting in trouble with the feds. And that's on the employment side. Look at how they've burdened that with reporting requirements because you've got to pay the taxes and so forth. And we're going to see that on the consumer side. We're going to see that kind of control about everything that you can buy, everything that you can do when they usher in CBDC. But in between that, we talk about E-Verify, but it's also passports.

The fact that you used to not have to have passports so much as we just pointed out. First time we ever got hit with a passport issue, We took the kids in 2000 and in 2000, we went up into Canada, latter part of 2000, and they almost didn't want to bring us back in. You know, my wife and I had driver's licenses and we had done that type of thing before and the kids were with us, but the kids didn't have any identification and they really hassled us, the Americans did, as we were trying to come back in from canada but when you look at what has happened the last couple of years david the you know the passports that started getting stronger and stronger and more numerous and and

then having requirements like you got to have vaccines for certain types of diseases and so forth to travel now into these countries and then then they put that on steroids the last couple of years with the lockdown with COVID. And now that is the central thing. Davos is talking about how this has been a big boon to what they want to do, getting people accustomed to having a passport to travel internally.

And that's coming to us as well in America. But that is all pushing for everybody to have a digital ID and it comes back to the border. And people can't make that connection as to what the issue is there. Well, you look at like Novak Djokovic, the reigning, they had a three-way tie for the Grand Slam champion of tennis. It was like Nadal, Djokovic, and Federer, Roger Federer. And it was tied like 20-20-20. And then Djokovic couldn't come in to defend that

and to one-up the other guys in the U.S. Open because he wouldn't take the shot. I'm not going to take the COVID shot. Me and my doctors don't think it's going to be good for my health. And I even tried to help him on that. My kids are big tennis fans, and they wanted him to be able to run up, one-up Nadal, Rafael Nad him on that. My kids are big tennis fans and they wanted him to be able to run up one up Nadal, Rafael Nadal on that. And I just happened to know the commissioner of CBP and I said, is there anything I can do to get him under, there's what they call law enforcement, parole, law enforcement waivers to be able to get somebody in for a special purpose. I did a lot of

that when I was with DEA, we could bring informants in under what they call a silent waiver or a special you know a category of waiver to bring people in for a limited person but no they were just adamant that they were not going to let him set that example and if i could talk a little bit about the the passports and the nonsense on that my wife karen uh you know sweet little gal she's 5'2 she weighs 95 pounds little little innocent you know, sweet little gal. She's 5'2". She weighs 95 pounds. Little innocent, you know, harmless little person. The imaging software in the CBP computers, like she had her passport and everything like that. One time, I think when she had her picture taken for the passport, she didn't have glasses. So she walked through the port of entry with glasses.

And they always photograph you now and it does image analysis it does it takes that computer image and it does uh image analysis of the picture on file in the passport and one time it did a little red flag and it said uh refer to secondary for further uh verification of identity maybe it's because she got a few years older, maybe she had her hair different, maybe it's because she was wearing her glasses, but poor little thing, they take her in there, they take her cell phone away, they detain her

for half an hour, I'm outside all worried about it, and finally we make it through that. The next time we come back, this red flag is now permanently in the computer. Look again more closely at this person, and it's kind of like when you get on a no-fly list or something. It's this behemoth state. There's no human aspect to it anymore. And there I'm sitting there wearing my tag that says sheriff on it. They know I'm the sheriff. They know our families that we grew up in this area.

But now that it's in the computer, it's permanently there. There's no way to delete the red flag for my wife karen so she goes in there trembling and like gives me her cell phone before she walks through the line because they're going to do this little digital image and the computer is going to say look again because it's happened before so you might be a person of interest might be a problem and then it keeps referring her to secondary. She goes in there, she gets detained, and then they interrogate her, and then eventually they let her come in because they have to. She's not carrying drugs or anything like that. But I just wanted to tell you that little story because it bugs me to know, and people

don't know the problems that the border officials cause here and all this border enforcement. There's cameras everywhere. There's cameras border enforcement. There's cameras everywhere. There's cameras southbound. There's cameras northbound. Now they search you as you leave the US. The US officials search you as you leave the US. They take your money under civil asset forfeiture. They take your guns, even though in Arizona, the NRA ranks Arizona number one for gun rights.

Nothing's illegal here. On the state side, nothing's illegal. But they take this stuff under civil affidavit forfeiture. They don't charge you with a crime. So I tell people, look, be careful what you ask for. If you ask for walls, walls don't just keep people from coming in. They keep you from going out. It has that East Germany effect.

So now, like 15 years ago, it was a trial program where they had these southbound inspection personnel just standing in the lanes, US officials searching you as you leave. Now they have permanent structures there. So as they create more of a choke point at the official ports of entry, it's also a choke point for Americans that want to expatriate. They want to take their gold coins and their money because they think they're losing their freedoms in the US. They want to get out of Dodge and go down to Acapulco or something like that. Now they're searching you as you leave and making it harder for you to leave.

Yeah, Americans returning into California. There's just a report I talked about last week where if they get in the wrong lane, and this has happened to me when I'm going through, you know, get trapped. I don't want to go on a toll road, but I don't see the sign. And then there's no way for me to turn around. They got into, because they were listening to their routing software on their phone, got into the wrong lane, no way to get out. And then when they get up there, they say, well, you know, you went in the wrong lane. You're not supposed to be here.

They hold them up for $5,000 to say, we're going to confiscate your car. This is what's being done on the American side to American citizens. If we, if we let we're going to confiscate your car. This is what's being done on the American side to American citizens. If we let the government continue to escalate this surveillance state, this police state for total control, we know where this leads. We know where they want this to lead. The only thing I would say here, David, is when we're talking about, even from the Christian standpoint, nations, tongues, and tribes. And so I understand from the conservative standpoint, their concern about that because that's really kind of what makes us a community and separates us, you know, languages and borders and cultures and things like that. And that is something that we see the globalists working very hard to erase all of those boundaries because they want a homogeneous

population that doesn't have a sense of community to resist them because that's where the resistance is. And so people focus, instead of trying to build their community, I think the problem is, instead of trying to build their community stronger, they just focus on the border and saying that's going to take our community down rather than coming up with a positive way to build a community, to set up a culture that is vibrant and interconnected. So if you have somebody that comes in from another area, as we used to see, America used to be the melting pot, but we don't have confidence in our ability to do that. So we want the government to come in and save us from every perceived problem. Yeah.

And I don't see any problem with people self-segregating, you know, like voluntary arrangements, what Hopper calls covenant communities, things like that, where you can have gated communities, and, you know, and it's nothing wrong with people choosing who they want to live around, as long as there's not force being used to force people into together or apart from each other. And, you know, that's always been, I hate to say it, but it's always been fashionable to hate the foreigner and not criticize the regime that exerts control over you. You could see that during the Fauci regime. You were deplatformed.

It was misinformation if you said anything against the regime that rules you. But throughout history, you've been able to hate the foreigner you know you've been able to hate in different points of history japanese or germans or or vietnamese koreans iranians afghanis you know syrians iraqis you know hitler you know talk about the polish you know going to be like the big threat to them to the motherland you know or to the fatherland you know, going to be like the big threat to the motherland, you know, or to the fatherland, you know, and it's like, you've always been able to do that. Your regime will allow you to complain about a foreigner. And I'm not saying that to discredit what you're saying. I totally agree with what you're saying. But you've always been allowed, as a matter of fact, let me see if I have it right here. You may not be able to see this, but this is a poster I have on my wall in the office.

It's like a mirror image of two identical countries, but it shows the language that they used to describe our blessed homeland and their desolate waste. Our noble adventurers and their brutish invaders, are wonderful religion and their foreign superstition. You know, it's just kind of, but it's a mirror image. It has like two fleets, two boats, two different armadas, but the religious building and the government building and the army, they're like, they're identical on both sides of that image. And I have that on the wall just to kind of show how people describe people that are outside of their group, and this has always happened. This has been back to the Roman Empire. There was a Roman historian called Tacitus that wrote a book called Germania. It was about

the German people, and he described them as brutish, as barbarians, and the Romans would write this kind of a treatise on anybody that they wanted to invade or they wanted to demonize, and that Tacitus, he had never even been to Germany, but that thought continues in modern literature and fiction to this era, that the ancient Germans were unintelligent and brutish and treated their women badly and you know ate with their hands and just you know threw the bones on the floor like all these things you see in these medieval type movies about you know northern European people being brutish and whatnot and that was all based that imagery is all based on a book called a Garmania I wrote

it written by a Roman historian called Tacitus there There's a good book about that called The World's Most Dangerous Book about how that resulted, that kind of negative imagery about the German people resulted in some of the things that Hitler, you know, that motivated, that propelled Hitler into power, this idea about demonizing foreigners. But I think if you have voluntary arrangements, you're always going to have people and cultures and linguistic groups come together, kind of self-segregate. You can see this in public schools, you can see it in prison populations, that people have a tendency to linguistically and culturally associate with people that they have an affinity for. So, I think rather than trying to, you know, sequester people using force, you know, using government force, I think you should let people naturally make voluntary arrangements. But it doesn't necessarily mean you're just going to have a bunch of rich people from a certain, you know, ethnic or cultural group or linguistic group all living together

because they may want somebody to mow their lawn. And it may be that hiring your rich neighbor to mow your lawn is not the best thing. So you just need to let the market work these things out, like these voluntary associations of who works with who, who sells with who, who associates with who. I agree. I agree. Yeah, there's some genuine concerns there, but what we see, I think we both agree

that the government creates an issue and then in response to the problem that they created, they have additional things that they stack on top of it. And we've seen it with the drug issue. You start out with prohibition. It gets people to make more concentrated forms of whatever it is that they're prohibiting, whether it's alcohol, the other things. You get organized crime, you get corruption in the police, you get corruption in the courts. Things escalate and then

they start escalating into things like civil asset forfeiture, SWAT team raids, militarization of the police. It goes on and on. This is the type of thing that we're seeing and we're seeing that being repeated at the border when you start talking about all the passports and surveillance and all the rest of this stuff. And I was the head of the DEA office here and people asked me like, well, talk about the fentanyl issue. And, you know, like Ron Paul always does, he says, you kind of have to, you can't just start in the moment. Like you look at alcohol prohibition, just like you said, the drink of preference of Americans before alcohol prohibition was beer and wine, both low alcohol products. And then with alcohol prohibition, the smugglers were smart.

So they smuggled gin and vodka and whiskey because beer and wine are mainly water. So if you're going to run the risk of bringing something across the border from Canada or Mexico, you might as well, you know, do the most potent version and then there's less risk. The same thing happened with drug prohibition. At least they had the decency to make a constitutional amendment for alcohol prohibition because there's no provision in the constitution for you to ban a substance. But they didn't do that with the war on drugs. But what happened? The same thing. Before you had the war on drugs, before you had the Harrison Tax Act, what was the drug of choice in the U.S.? It was ditchweed marijuana. And the Asian community, like in San Francisco, they like to smoke raw opium.

But once you made those things illegal, now they started smuggling, instead of the low THC ditchweed marijuana, they went to hash and hash oil and since Amiya and instead of the opium they imported heroin because it takes 400 kilos of opium to make one kilo of heroin so it resulted in stronger versions of that but since my mind is chaotic chaotic and all over the place you might if I talk a little bit about a spy blimp that we had in our town yeah we had a they blimp that was launched in our town. No, go ahead. Yeah. Yeah, we had a blimp that was launched in our town about six months ago. And I ranted and raved about that to all the media that would listen to me.

You could find on YouTube, you could look at Sheriff Hathaway's spy blimp and you'll see videos of me complaining about this is turning into a surveillance state and a police state. But what they did, they anchored this blimp that was a video platform cpp put it there it was a mile and a half from the border in the middle of three residential neighborhoods in in the us and um it was all very secretive they didn't brief law enforcement or brief the community on it or

anything and i just ranted and raved on that and And lo and behold, last week they took it down with no explanation. I'm wanting to think that my ranting and raving made a difference, but there were a lot of people in my community that were very concerned that, what was CBP doing with this thing anchored right over the residential neighborhoods, looking down into their communities. They call these things aerostat blimps.

There's one in the county east of me in Cochise County. That's a radar platform for low flying aircraft. But this one is a video surveillance platform, but you know, a little minor victory there on the police state, you know, it just kind of me complaining about it all the time. And then I don't know, maybe CBP thought this is too much of a hassle with this sheriff. Well, it's always been about surveillance. I mean, you go back and everybody's talking, well, we need to have another church committee hearing because like the FBI is snooping on people and, and, uh, segregating people out by their political beliefs and that type of thing. Um, the church committee hearing was about surveillance and that's why they had the foreign intelligence surveillance act was the thing that came out of it.

But everybody remembers the more sensational details of the heart attack guns and the assassination plots and the rest of that stuff but um from the very inception the cia and the nsa were spying on americans that's what the government wants to do they're obsessed with knowing everything about us as a matter of fact just as last week i came across um uh they were talking about DARPA and their constant surveillance, and they refer to it in some of their stuff as maintaining custody. They see this as an open-air prison, and they want to maintain custody of us. And they use these terms like lockdown and the rest of this stuff. I mean, they are trying to set up a prison, and that's exactly what is happening with

Davos and the rest of these people. It's all about digitalization so that they can have biometric IDs and surveillance and permission to do everything, including now even what you eat and even travel within a city. They want to keep you within a 15 minute little village. Uh, and if you want to get outside of that village and they're already doing this and,

uh, in England, it, uh, um, it's a Canterbury and it was Oxford. They're setting these things up and they've got, you can't get out of your little zone except a couple of times a month. And that's everybody in your family. You know, one person goes out, well, that's one, you know, you've got

another couple for the next, next month. It's just amazing how they're trying to lock everybody down in prison. And I think people don't realize how this border stuff really ushers in the greater police state. Like, I have predator drones that fly over the ranch. We have the surveillance towers that are three, four miles inland that are video surveillance platforms, ground monitors, smaller drones, that type of thing. Now, you know, if we get people accustomed to this, and then you're probably familiar with the 100-mile, what they call Constitution Free Zone.

There's been three Supreme Court cases to define CBP's authority to search without probable cause. So there's this book by this guy, I can't remember his name, called Nobody is Protected. Border Patrol is the most dangerous police force in the United States. And it's about, it chronicles the Supreme Court decisions that have given Border Patrol absolute authority within 100 miles of the international border to stop anybody for any reason and to interrogate them without even having probable cause. Now, if you look at the US,

if you look at the international boundaries, two thirds of the people in the US live within 100 miles of the international border. Cities like Los Angeles, New York, Miami, Seattle, even Chicago is within 100 miles of an international border. So the federal government has given themselves the ability to pull you over, search you, and interrogate you, which they do me too. They interrogate me and stop me and point guns at me on my own ranch. And then detain me. And I'll sit there very still and not start arguing the Constitution with them.

But it's this privilege that they've been given. And I get into that in my book too, the kind of legal basis that they've given themselves for this 100 mile no probable cause zone and then within that zone you also have all these surveillance platforms blimps and drones and everything and people kind of give it a pass because it's to do with the border and think well you know we need we need that for the border but it's really becoming you know a surveillance state and you know i i don't know why border patrol has kind of become like the new messiah to conservative Christians. You know, like I've lived in Missouri and Illinois and Tennessee. And you see the church bulletin, you know, pray for Border Patrol.

It's fine to pray for everybody. You know, you should pray for everybody. But it's become like Border Patrol. And people will say, I know a Border Patrol agent. And he told me he told me this and he told me that. And it's like, you know, I mean, just because you knew somebody that was in the KGB or the Stasi or the Gestapo or something like that, obviously people are going to make a pitch for what they do. They're going to lobby for what they do.

And Border Patrol has a very strong union, and I like the Border Patrol officers I know. I know good people and all that. But it has become this weird thing that Americans just think they don't care about this total police state as long as it comes in within this hundred mile to the border zone, which covers, you know, a lot of the U.S. Kind of reminds me of Fiddle on the Roof. It's a rabbi. Is there a prayer for the czar? It's like, yeah, God bless and keep the czar far away from us, right? Same thing with the Border Patrol, the federal.

I grew up in Florida, and I'm thinking, you know, when we think about the 100-mile border, if you were to draw that in on both sides in this narrow peninsula, you know, 100-mile border going on both sides, many places, that probably encompasses the entire interior of Florida as well on the border. So, yeah, it's a very long, skinny state like that. But, you know, and that's the thing. That's how it metastasizes if we lose track of what the bigger issue is. And I think when we talk about politics, the bigger issue is liberty.

But it's also, you know, looking at people as individuals, I think that's a key thing. And people are just afraid. And they've been, that fear has been stoked by conservative media who's looking for a demographic. It's been stoked by demagoguing politicians like Donald Trump, who, you know, getting everybody focusing on the worst criminals that come across. And again, many of the worst people that are coming across are going to be people that are brought in because of the war on drugs, or they come in because of the welfare magnet that is there. I remember some of the policies, and there are some real issues as to what we do with it. I remember there was a

father whose daughter was killed by MS-13 on Long Island. And he was from El Salvador. And he said, we came all this way to try to get away from them. Now, in that area, they had kids that had come in as minors. They were brought in by MS-13. They had tattoos on their face. It was literally written all over their face that they were MS-13. And there was an argument in the school. They killed the daughter.

And he goes, what do I do? How do I escape from this? And so there is a, you know, when you see somebody that is obviously, you know, part of a gang member, you can't arrest somebody if they haven't committed a crime. Nevertheless, there's got to be something that can be done about some of those types of things. What would be the practical solutions? People will talk about the gang members, MS-13, Mala Salvatrucha from El Salvador, all the different gangs and drug dealers of pedophiles and lots of sex offenders and people

with criminal history so it's kind of a little bit of a red herring to say if we force everybody to be run through a computer at the border you're going to have you're going to have you know a certain person you know of uh you know people that that are narrowly well in that thing. And if I can touch a little bit, we're talking about the stuff at the border, like your listeners have probably heard in the news Title 42. And there's a lot of things that I call fuzzy math that have to do with the last two years,

two and a half, three years. Title 42 is one of them. Title 42 is a COVID mandate, nothing else. It's the last remaining COVID protocol. And it's really funny to me that the people that deny all the COVID stuff, as do I, you know, there's never been a, you know, the COVID virus never been isolated, you know, much less all the Omicron and Delta and all this kind of stuff. But just people take it at face value. But they don't like all the COVID mandates and protocols and restrictions that were put in place. Title 42 is the last one of those.

It just says you can't do any processing under Title VIII. Title VIII of the United States Code is the U.S. law that covers everything to do with immigration. You know, visas, work visas, tourist visas, student visas, asylum, it has health and safety provisions. But Title 42 just says, you can't process people under Title 8. You just have to turn them around and do an expedited deportation with no processing.

So it's estimated that 40% of the people coming in now are repeat crossers because their situation was never dealt with. They came in with their papers, whether they come in at a port of entry, because when you're at a port of entry, you're on U.S. soil. So even if you're making any kind of a claim for a visa or asylum, you're on U.S. soil. And at that point, they have to deport you. So they deport them under Title 42, no processing. The same with people that come between the ports of entry, no processing. What it used to be is present your documents. If the answer is no, it's no. If the answer is yes, do no processing the same with people that come between the parts of entry no processing what it

used to be is present your documents if the answer is no it's no if the answer is yes it's yes and then you're you're in the system you may get a hit for illegal entry and then you're you're a criminal uh a repeat offender in the system if you come back again but right now there's there's no there's no processing, so it creates all these fake statistics of duplicate crossers. Another thing started under Reagan and continued, I mean, started under Trump, continued under Biden, was they invalidated all these legal visa holders in Mexico. There was estimated to be, at 2019, 4 million legal visa holders in Mexico these are the b1 b2 visas tourists day shoppers students things like that so they said if it's for

non-essential travel you can't come across so all these legal visas were invalidated these people had jobs in the US they had families in the US they may just happen to have been in Mexico when these restrictions started so they have their legal documents and it puts pressure on them to cross between the ports of entry illegally, even though they had legal documents. So this created a bunch of what I call fuzzy math, you know, these statistics that were to do with the COVID restrictions, but they add to the statistics for the last couple of years. And yet, you know, my wife and I, we live right along the border. We walk along the border every night.

It's like very peaceful, you know, like very nice, calm. Don't see anything happening out there. It's not these massive caravans, these looped videos that you see on the news. They'll just loop them and show them over and over of people sitting under a bridge or something like that. And another thing when we're on the topic of that, there's no tabulation of the people going southbound. Every day I see whole households and furniture, Hispanic people leaving the US, going into Mexico, have these modern computer controlled factories in Mexico,

going down there to work and live and have a better life. There's no deduction of those statistics of the people leaving from the ones that are tabulated as as coming in so it it creates this ever increasing number uh and then they have this other thing where they put these hundreds of motion activated game cameras along the border and every time they trip from anything from a cow a deer a moth the wind blowing the leaves they count it now as what they call a gotaway statistic or a getaway statistic. And they add that to the other statistics.

And I say, well, look, Border Patrol my whole life, you know, I was born in 1959, my whole life, they've said, we don't get all of them. We can get one out of three or one out of four. So if you're gonna add a fictional number to the current statistics, then you need to go back to the 70s and the 60s and the 80s and add that number to those statistics as well. But, you know, it's one of those things and it's not like they talk about Democrat administrations and Republican administrations.

It's always been cyclical, like practically every year in the 80s and the 90s and the 2000s, there was over a million apprehensions at the Southwest border. And that was under Democrat, Republican presidents, under Clinton, under the last years of Reagan, and then under Bush. And then there was a 14 year lull that was all eight years of Obama, the last two years of Trump Jr., I mean, Bush Jr., in all four years of Trump. Then they do all this COVID nonsense, and they have the inflated numbers. And just to talk about the fuzzy math a little bit, the last year of census data, the last complete year of census data we have is 2021, and it's the lowest year of population growth in the history of the U.S., in the over 240-year history of the U.S.,

0.1% population growth from all sources, immigration, native-born Americans, and yet they want to say there's this invasion and they're taking over the U.S. It's just like I said, there's no tabulation of the people leaving. And of course, populations increase. Like if you look at 1990, U.S. population has gone up 90 million since then. Mexican population has gone up 55 million. Border Patrol has increased five times from 4,000 agents to 23,000 agents in that same period of time from 1990.

Per agent, they're actually detaining less people. But you know, numbers go up, you're inevitably gonna get a new record year. Like there was a record year under Reagan, 1.6 million. That year was tied under Clinton, 1.6 million. And then we've broken that record in recent years. But like I said, there's a lot of fuzzy math built into that. And, of course, there's been a lot of fuzzy math

any time you come around the government, whether you're talking about unemployment figures that they constantly adjust or inflation numbers or COVID cases. They, they play fast and furious with it. That's why I wanted to get your take on it. Living there, having your family that's been there, as you said, since before Arizona became a state. And in the past, when I've talked to you,

you talked about how the town was just devastated when everything got locked down with the pandemic, because you had people that were going back and forth on a regular basis. They were coming into the town there to shop from Mexico and vice versa. So there was trade that was going back and forth and it all just stopped. And so I think this Title 42, a big part of that is to continue this pandemic. They keep extending the executive order for a state of emergency. You have Abbott doing that in Texas, but Biden has extended it. He's going to be extending it for the eighth time. Trump did it four times.

He continued to do it after the election. They don't ever want any of this stuff to end. That's the one thing that they want, and we have to understand, and we have to look at alternative ways to deal with issues that we've got, friction that we've got, without falling into the trap of demanding a police state. That's the last thing we should be looking at, look at alternative ways to deal with issues that we've got, friction that we've got, without

falling into the trap of demanding a police state. That's the last thing we should be looking at. Just like with drugs. I understand, you understand that it's a serious issue. Drug addiction is a serious issue. But we understand it's a spiritual issue. It's not a law enforcement issue. Many people have done this for many, many years.

I've talked to them after they've retired and they said, look, this is an absolute failure. It's made everything worse. It hasn't stopped any addiction. The drugs have gotten stronger. So we have to understand that if we keep doing something as an approach for 50 years and it doesn't work, maybe we should try something else. Let's talk about what's going on with the sheriffs in Illinois, because you've had experience living in Illinois. And now we've got this building revolt against massive gun control, big fines and other things that are being put out by the Illinois governors. And you've got 80% of the sheriffs saying, we're not going to enforce that. And I'll just throw this in to get you to comment on this as well.

What we see happening from the ATF, and this was a Trump precedent, to do gun control by executive order, and now they've got a massive move to force, essentially, registration over this pistol brace thing. That is a big issue there. So talk a little bit about gun control. Talk a little bit about the lesser magistrate and the role of the sheriff. Yeah, you know, the state of Illinois, before I moved there, my parents in Arizona, they heard I was getting transferred there. And they were worried because all they knew was Chicago and not Illinois. But if you look at Illinois, it's a long north-south state and a lot of rural people, a lot of hunters, a lot of fishermen, a lot of sportsmen, a lot of guns. You know, especially the southern half of the state where I live, a lot of, you know, a lot of hunters, wildlife refuge, you know, national forest, state forest.

So, you know, you got a lot of, you know, your conservative rednecks, a lot of gun owners there. But they've always had, at least the whole time I was there, I had property there for 25 years, but I actually worked there for DEA 10 years. I lived there 10 years, five years supervising the DEA office in Southern Illinois, and then five years where I commuted across the river to Rush Limbaugh's hometown, Cape Girardeau, where I was the office head there. So I supervised DEA operations in 17 counties in Missouri and 20 counties in Illinois. And they have this thing called the FOID card, F-O-I-D, the firearms owner ID card. They've always been ranked very poorly by the NRA and the gun owners of America as far as like gun rights, but it's been something that people tolerate. You got to go in and get your picture taken and you have to carry this card around and

that's very, very, very arduous if you're transporting a gun, ammunition separated from the gun, gun disassembled, things like that. But the people tolerated that and a lot of people that value their Second Amendment rights. So I just thought this would be coming someday because I know the people of Illinois. I know, you know, 90 percent of Illinois, which is not Chicago and it's not East St. Louis and it's not Springfield. And, you know, a lot of gun enthusiasts there. So I really applaud those sheriffs. And I'm kind of a little bit surprised that in illinois they would react that way but on the other hand not because i know sheriffs are a county position and most of those counties uh have you know conservative values and they own guns and they're they're part of

their second amendment rights so i think the sheriffs know their local population and you know i think that's something we see a lot. You know, when you look at electoral maps, you look at an election, typically what you'll see is the state, you know, and I hate the the idea of coloring conservatives red, you know, but you'll see that the rural areas will vote Republican or conservative. And you'll see that, you know, the they'll just be small geographical areas. The concentration of the cities, they go Democrat, they go liberal. And and that's that's something of an issue for freedom everywhere. But again, it's the same type of thing that you see the effort the electoral college is trying to counter that. Many people said maybe we need to have an electoral college at the state level. Maybe that would be a solution. I don't know. But I think that's really what we're seeing there. Probably 80% of Illinois is rural and conservative,

and it's the urban areas that want all this gun control because it's really a war on drugs issue, I think, is what we're mostly seeing. Yeah. Yeah. And I applaud them, and I hope they succeed on that. And I don't know how we're doing on time, but if I could define a little bit. Yeah, go ahead.

It's just on a different topic. Just to kind of say, kind of an oxymoron of how I started out this interview talking about being a voluntarist, libertarian, taking the market and handle everything. So why am I, in in essence being a hypocrite and occupying a tax funded position? Because I do think taxes stuff, there is no social contract. You and I David, we didn't sign a social contract at some point that says, you give me these services and I'm willing that you tax my property or whatever

at this percentage rate. But the reason is it's pretty simple. I have a lot of family, we have property here. I have relatives, aunts, uncles, cousins, parents, my wife's family's here too. And if I occupy this position, I can keep a tyrant from coming in here and occupying the position that would force everybody

to wear a mask or take shots or take their guns away from them or whatever the next boondoggle that comes down the pipeline if they want to take people's gold and silver take their hard assets that's kind of just kind of wanted to get that into people may be wondering that in the back of their mind like if i if i think that you know taxation involuntary funding mechanisms coercive funding is illegitimate. And I do think that then why do I occupy this position? And it's just that if I don't occupy the position, somebody else will. So, well, that's very legitimate. I've talked many times to Matt Trujillo, who's got, uh, you know, wrote a book, the doctrine of the lesser magistrate.

And I think that idea of interposition to protect basic fundamental rights is very important. We need more people like you standing in that position that don't believe in big government, that don't believe that government is a solution to every issue. That is the most important. That's the type of sheriff we need to have everywhere, I think. So I understand that people would see that as a contradiction, but it really is about interposition. It's about protecting the people under your jurisdiction. And I think that the sheriff's office, that is what that was designed for. And to, you know,

to be the power of the community, if necessary, to bring together a posse, if it's something that is big that is happening, but to organize that and to be the chief law enforcement officer there it's a very important position has a lot of power to protect innocent people from tyrants and so i certainly understand why you're there well it's been very interesting talking to you and i've had a lot of people that that asked the question about you know what was going on at the border and why you were opposing the shipping containers. I agree with your answers there. I understand that. And I think that people need to be careful

what we ask for because we just might get it in spades. Yeah, and next time I come on, David, if we could talk about another topic, the CIA smuggling drugs in Latin America. This is not just things of fantasy. I discovered this when I was doing the investigation to find the killers of Kiki Camarena, the DEA agent that was killed in Mexico in 1985. Me and a team of other agents doing Operation Leanda found out that it was the CIA

that tortured Kiki Camarena to death. And there's actually recorded cassette tapes of the recording session, of the torture session. And if your viewers want to watch something it's free on Amazon Prime there's a series called the last narc four-part series nothing's redacted it has the actual people that were in the room that identified the CIA agent and if you want to cut to the chase go to the last episode it's a four-part episode. Look at episode four. Very interesting. It identifies the CIA agent that actually did this. It was to smuggle drugs, cocaine, to fund the Contras in Nicaragua. And I actually interviewed people, CIA pilots, that told me that's what they were doing too. this but of course it fell on deaf ears when it got to washington because it was one federal agency having another federal agency but i would encourage your viewers watch the last mark on amazon crime especially the last the last episode it's not fiction there's nothing redacted has what was said in the torture session where they were asking kiki camarino about what do you know about what

the cia is doing in nicaragua and then the cia smuggling drugs multiple cooperating individuals they actually have the actual individuals that were in the room with the cia agent on camera using their real names on this episode it's a real bombshell episode and it's validated something i've always known since i investigated this since the 1980s and it just pains me to go to these events to commemorate Kiki Camarena. I've spoken to multiple groups of school kids and all about how the cartels tortured him to death and all that. Okay, but the real story is something a little bit more nuanced. Wow, wow.

How did that wind up not getting destroyed? Did Gina Haspel not know about that? You know what's funny is when that series just came out a few months ago, it immediately went off Amazon Prime. It just disappeared for like two months. And it's back on again. And I downloaded it. I actually downloaded all the episodes just in case it disappears again because there's no fake names.

There's no fuzzed out silhouetted faces or anything. It's the actual uh mexican jalisco state police officers that were in the room with the cia agent and uh you know us in the dea that we're tracking down the killers of kiki camarena we identified people that were in the room and then we did photo lineups to show them the people that actually led the torture session, recorded the torture session, and it was, you know, and we have the name of the CIA agent, and the name is actually in that video. But, you know, pretty interesting, and you don't want to pop anybody's bubble about, you know,

it's just amazing that stuff that Gary Webb wrote. Yeah, Dark Alliance. That's not just, you know. Oh, and it was amazing how, you know, they got a hit team essentially on him with the LA Times. You know, they had a whole bunch of reporters that were brought in to discredit Gary Webb. And, you know, then eventually I believe

that they killed him as well. But I guess the thing that, the only thing that I'm surprised about that is that that footage survived. Was it because it was with the Mexican police officers? Is that why that? Well, immediately, the lead investigator is named Hector Bedeas, lead DEA agent that ran Operation Leanda to investigate this. And I worked a lot in Mexico, too, at the time of that investigation in the late 1980s. And he has had death threats.

And he has had current and former CIA agents come and tell him, look, you need to watch out. You need to watch your back. And they have threatened to, the federal officials have threatened to extradite the lead DEA agent to Mexico because there's a warrant out for him there because he ruffled feathers down there, you know, like, you know, exposing other people that were in the room when this, when this happened. So it just kind of, these guys, uh, you know, it kind of took

the air out of their, out of their sails. Who was, who was, who was filming it and who had custody of the film so that it survived? Because, you know, that's a big issue when I talk to John Kiriakou, who exposed the torture. You know, Gina Haspel went in and destroyed all the evidence, especially the videotapes of what they were doing, in order to create lies about weapons of mass destruction to put us into a war. So how did they keep this away from her? Audio cassette tape. And then they actually have nowadays, just recently filmed, the people that flipped and cooperated with DEA that were in the room in the torture session on camera exposing this and talking about that the guy leading it was this CIA agent. Okay.

So they got testimony of the people that uh that flipped talking about that plus the audio tapes that are there yeah that's very interesting i didn't know about that and as that's called the last narc and it's on the last arc and it's free on amazon prime um you don't have to pay for it and the whole series is interesting it's a four-part series it's all true but if you want to just get to the CIA, the part about the CIA torturing Comrena, you can go to episode four or the last two episodes. But it leads up to that throughout the series. The whole series is interesting.

I think it's very important for people to get a realistic view of what is happening here because we've been fed so much stuff with uh one spy uh show after the other and the james bond thing throughout the 60s everything was spy this and spy you know it took over from the westerns and um they uh make heroes out of it we had jagger hoover uh with ephraim zimbalist jr the fbi you know that was all a pr uh move and uh you, now the conservatives are concerned about the FBI because now the FBI is coming after them, but it used to be the other way around. Yeah. And I worked in South America for five years too. And I had a special team down there of Bolivian military and police officers. We targeted for a year, the biggest drug trafficker

in the country went up. And when we're going to gonna raid the house we saw the CIA team was going in and out in and out in and out talk to this guy and then so we were supposed to de-conflict this with the embassy but we knew the CIA would shut it down once we figured out that they were involved so we hit the house they got mad ambassador to start the first out of country, put their spook in the prison, maximum security prison in Bolivia. And then the CIA hired a team to bring them in to break the guy out of prison. But they didn't know that the pilot they hired was a DEA informant. So we had our DEA informant pilot fly them in with all their RPGs and automatic weapons and grenades to hit the prison and arrested them when the

spook team came in to bust their other CIA guy out of the prison. So, I mean, I've confirmed this multiple levels at the source where the cocaine is produced in South America and in the investigation in Mexico. It's like absolutely thing. It's not innuendo. It's not just fake stuff. I've seen it firsthand and I'm just, I'm getting old enough'm getting old enough now to where it's just like, who cares? Just tell the truth about what I've seen, what I've observed.

It's amazing. The levels of corruption, the fact that you have interesting fighting going on between different law enforcement organizations because of the massive corruption that is there. People just don't realize how deeply embedded the deep state is and how we have really even when we talk about things like civil asset forfeiture, it's not, they say that they have the authority to do this because it's not a law, because it's a rule. And so you have the bureaucracies that are creating rules and they say you have no due process, no presumption of innocence, no protection against excessive fines and punishment and on and on. They can take your property without even charging with a crime.

How do we get to this situation? And I think the only way that we get out of it is to get people to understand that's what's happening. It's almost impossible to get people to believe that this is really happening in America. They don't realize how deep it is. Unfortunately, elected officials at the federal level can't stop it. You have these oligarchies and you have this bureaucratic state that's embedded like the senior management within agencies. Like you talk about civil asset forfeiture. You probably know this, David, but in DEA and the FBI, it's all administrative. It doesn't even go through the court system. DEA has their own, what they call administrative law judge that makes, passes

judgment on the seizures made by DEA and by the seizures adopted from local law firm. It doesn't even go through the courts. They pass their rules. They pass their rules. They got their enforcement people. They got their courts and you know, Hey, we, we got our own little fiefdom here. You're right. And that's why I think, you know, when we talk about this, you know, why am I a sheriff? If I, I don't think that this is right? That is really the most effective way to stop this. You're not going to send Mr. Smith to Washington and have him stand up and do a filibuster and explain all this to people and have him change anything. Everybody knows that's the way that works if they're there.

That's the key. Well, thank you so much for joining us. Very interesting, as always. Thank you for talking to us, Sheriff David Hathaway, Sheriff of Santa Cruz County in Arizona. Thank you, David. Appreciate it. Okay. And I'll give out my email, sheriffdavidhathaway at gmail.com

if anyone wants to get a hold of me. If they want to read things I've written, I've written a lot for the Libertarian Institute and lewrockwell.com. Good. Yes, yes. And I've read a lot of what you've written. Excellent stuff. Thank you very much, David. Appreciate it.

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