The David Knight Show - 20Apr23 Biden Calls for Gun Bans on Anniversary of Concord, Lexington & Waco; RFK Jr, the Good, the Bad, the Ugly

Episode Date: April 20, 2023

Biden chose the anniversary of Concord, Lexington, and Waco to tweet "Ban assault weapons - it's beyond time"Was the American Revolution justified under Christian principles? What does it tell us about asymmetric warfare? 2:22 The atrocities of Waco — and the atrocity that government got away with it all 9:15 The lethal (and inflammatory) use of CS gas by the FBI. 21:01 "Waco has become an Alamo of sorts for anti-government extremists and conspiracies" — because it showed what the government has become and what they can get away with 29:18 Biden feeds anarchy and chaos by inviting the 2 Tennessee BLM anarchist "legislators" to the White House. And GOP Gov Lee thinks he can appease the gun prohibitionists. 33:56 RFK, Jr kicks off the campaign — the Good, the Bad, & the Ugly of RFK Jr RFK Jr has had a lot to say about censorship — both excoriating it and demanding it of "climate deniers" (about which he's still silent as he is silent about pro-life, trans-grooming, and 2nd Amendment issues) He also talks lockdowns, mandates, war, peace, CIA, and the global corporatocracy — and others question his character based on his troubled past 39:22House GOP has now come back with their long-awaited debt limit bill with a $1.5 TRILLION increase in spending they cynically call a "cut" 1:20:15 Biden wants to punish good credit homebuyers to subsidize high risk mortgages and those who didn't save. The more you save for your home, the more you will punished MONTHLY for the life of the loan 1:27:05 INTERVIEW Every Nation & Globalist Organization in a Frenzy to Create CBDC Tony Arterburn, WiseWolf.gold Confidence in the dollar is collapsing and purchases of gold are exploding And, can you still use Bitcoin if (when) the Feds block on/off ramps and bitcoin mining? 1:31:27 INTERVIEW Five Shots to Save 1,000 Lives - St James Church Massacre Charl van Wyk, ShootingBackBook.com, was in the church when terrorists threw GRENADES and sprayed the congregation with FULLY AUTOMATIC gunfire. God used him to defend survivors with a 5 shot .38 revolver. But prior to that, he had to come to a realization of the RIGHT and DUTY of a Christian to DEFEND innocent life.The terror has continued as Marxists continue to extend anarchy and violence. "Rape Gates" are a common defense feature in homes. But Charl sees the hope for South Africa in the gospel of Christ. 2:03:17Find out more about the show and where you can watch it at TheDavidKnightShow.comIf you would like to support the show and our family please consider subscribing monthly here:SubscribeStar https://www.subscribestar.com/the-david-knight-showOr you can send a donation through Mail: David Knight POB 994 Kodak, TN 37764Zelle: @[e-mail] App at: $davidknightshowBTC to: bc1qkuec29hkuye4xse9unh7nptvu3y9qmv24vanh7Money is only what YOU hold: Go to DavidKnight.gold for great deals on physical gold/silverBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-david-knight-show--2653468/support.

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I had it down in the morning to talk about the anniversary of April 19th, a big anniversary, especially when it comes to the Second Amendment, the anniversary of Concord and Lexington, the shots heard around the world, the anniversary of the burning of everyone in the Warsaw revolt by the Nazis, and the incineration of men, women, and children by the FBI at Waco. We're going to begin by talking about the Second Amendment. Our guest in the third hour is going to be Charles von Witt. He was at the St. James Massacre in South Africa, and he warned churches about church shootings.

God used him and a pistol to stop a group of men who attacked a church of a thousand people with machine guns and hand grenades. Amazing interview coming up. And, of course, we're also going to have Tony Aardman with us. We'll be right back. Yeah, I couldn't believe that I missed this anniversary yesterday when I looked at it. I had it there, but, you know, it's a live show. Things happen. Get distracted with other stuff.

And sometimes there's so much information it gets overwhelmed. But let's do talk about this. Let's talk about the shot heard around the world because there's a lot involved here. What was the authority for us to have an American Revolution? Was it a rebellion to authority? I've heard a lot of Christians who say that. People like Penwheel Friel would say that because he takes that same approach, that same understanding.

In Romans 13, I've heard people who look at that, Christians who look at that, say, well, it was completely illegitimate from a Christian perspective. If you don't understand what Romans 13 is really saying, you won't understand the doctrine of the lesser magistrate, and you won't understand what America is about either. And you'll also be subject to every whim of every dictator that comes by, every evil dictator. 248 years ago yesterday, tradesmen laborers mariners americans of all stripes came together to defend themselves against the most professional army in the world our first example of asymmetric warfare which joe biden eric swalwell and others uh was

beto o'rourke uh always saying, yeah, we've got this big army. You think you're going to keep your guns? We've got this big army. We're going to take them. Well, as I said at the time, how'd that work out at Concord and Lexington on April 19th, 1775? The beginning of an epic journey for a band of brothers. This is an excellent article.

I'm not going to read all of it to you. I just want to read a couple of excerpts from it. Patrick K. O'Donnell, military historian. They put it in Breitbart. I think it's probably still up yesterday afternoon. A band of brothers who risked everything for a nation that was yet to be born. Over the course of nearly eight years, many of these Americans marched thousands of miles, often shoeless, unpaid, starving,

to fight for freedom and liberties most Americans today take for granted. And if they don't take it for granted, they despise them. They don't realize how bad life is if you don't have these liberties. And so, was there authority to do this? Well, King George III had already told Lord North, his prime minister, he said, quote, blows must decide whether they, the colonists, are to be subject to this country or to be independent. And there was a course of many things that he did, not just the war, but many things even leading up to the war, that violated the Magna Carta. If you violate the superior law, it's the same as if you violate God's law

in terms of restricting people to religious liberty. And the legitimate law that is there, that goes all the way back to Runnymede and Magna Carta, he violated those restrictions. He became an absolute monarch, much like our presidents today, as you'll see. They have absolutely no authority. They have a tremendous amount of power,

but they have no authority. That's the important thing for us to understand. And so we make that decision as to whether or not we want to live quiet and peaceful lives, but we never will live by the lie that they are legitimate and what they demand from us. Anyway, he decided, here's some of the moves that he made. See if they sound familiar black powder in the colonies was precious had to be imported since virtually no organic production existed in north america so they came after the ammunition they leveled a number of hard economic measures

closed the port of boston threw thousands of people out of work, passed several acts aimed to destroy their economy and their economic will. Does that sound like the lockdowns? The Trump lockdowns? It does to me. Anyway, so were Americans justified with this? I believe that they were. I'm not going to go into a great deal of detail about how the Magna Carta was violated.

But we know the Constitution has been violated. And we know that in Romans 13, it says, you know, obey the government. They're God's agent for good. Well, what if they're an agent for evil? Do we obey Hitler? Do we resist it? As Bonhoeffer and others did and pay the price? Do we resist them, the dictators, as Solzhenitsyn did and pay the price?

Or do we live by their lies and their dictates? The operation of Concord and Lexington was to take the powder and the cannon. You know, all these people, isn't it interesting that on the anniversary of the beginning of that war that Biden put out a tweet, and I responded to it a couple of times yesterday afternoon in a couple of different ways. The idea that, well, he goes, it's time. We've just got to take the AR-15s or whatever. So I'm paraphrasing what he had to say, but it was short.

It was one line. It's time. We've got to take it. It's been too long or whatever oh really you want to say that on the anniversary that the british came to take the cannons and it kicked off a war you want to say that you want to go there you want an asymmetric warfare as i've said many times the second amendment is already protecting us. I used to have people when I was involved in the Libertarian Party back in the 80s and 90s, and I ran for office once and I had people say, so you really think that small arms can hold off a government?

I said, yeah, I do. Modern times, well, you know, it worked against the Panzer Division in Warsaw. These are people who are locked up, locked down, if you will, and they used a hammer or a rock or something like that to get a pistol. They used a pistol to get more pistols and more rifles and so forth. They started a rebellion, and it tied up a couple of Panzer Division tanks. When they got frustrated. They just burned the city down just like the FBI and the ATF.

Uh, that would do that later also on the same day as an anniversary. So the bottom line is you're going to say that we've got to take the AR 15s or whatever you arbitrarily decide the gun to be confiscated this week is. You're going to take that and say it's too dangerous. It's a military weapon. They were coming for the cannons at Concord and Lexington. They were coming for the cannons at Goliad. That's why on the come and take it flag, there is a cannon. And I think we ought to leave that cannon there.

I know a lot of people have done T-shirts and flags and everything, putting an AR- on there i get it but maybe i'll have the cannon on there as well let people remember this is not even about personal firearms this is about cannons in texas cannons and conquered in lexington and uh so on the anniversary he, we need to confiscate the rifles. And on the anniversary of the burning alive of men, women, and children, because they allegedly had not paid a special tax to have these weapons. Now I know the way that this thing was spun, that Janet Reno spun it into, well, you know, they're pedophiles. That may be true.

I don't know. I don't really care at this point. That's beside, it's not that I don't care whether or not they're pedophiles and that may be true i don't know i don't really care at this point that's beside it's not that i don't care whether or not they were pedophiles that's irrelevant to what they were doing that was a misdirection it was an excuse that was put in there uh to justify uh their actions but even if you know what and as i said at the time when it happened because i was writing about it on um you know we didn as I said at the time when it happened, because I was writing about it on, you know, we didn't have the internet then, but we had bulletin boards that were connected over DARPAnet and things like that. And I said, so now the ATF investigates allegations of pedophilia?

The federal government investigates allegations of pedophilia? What a joke that we've seen now in the last 30 years. The government doesn't investigate pedophilia. It covers it up. It's got people as Speaker of the House who are pedophiles and on and on. What a joke. Statute of limitations and all the rest of this stuff. And at the time, David Koresh had had allegations about various things, uh,

fights within the group and everything. And the sheriff, the local sheriff who knew him, you know, drive up there and, uh, he'd stood trial, you know, he'd arrested him for charges. He was not convicted of those charges. That's kind of the way we ought to do things in America. Instead of notifying the press, sending in the federal storm troopers, and jumping out and attacking with the code word showtime so the media gets all this on film. Maybe the way we ought to do it is just quietly have an elected sheriff go out and talk to the people in his area and say, hey, you know,

there's been some allegations there serving you with this or I'm arresting you for this. And we have a trial. We have due process. No, Janet Reno decided that she would take the guns and do the due process later. You see more than a red flag. That was the red flag, that attitude, that arrogant attitude of a dictator who will wind up killing people with that kind of an attitude. That was the attitude of Donald Trump. And when you put that out and you show that again, this back and forth, now there's been a couple of ads going shots fired back and forth between DeSantis and Trump. One of those ads coming from DeSantis showed clips of Trump saying things. As a matter of fact, let me play that right now.

Trump promised NRA members he'd have their back. But when Second Amendment rights came under attack, Trump abandoned us and stood with liberal Democrats. You guys, half of you are so afraid of the NRA. We have to fight them every once in a while. That's okay. Some of you people are petrified of the NRA. You can't be petrified. They have great power over you people. They have less power over me. I don't need it. I don't, what do I need? That is why I have called for red flag laws. Or might take the firearms first and then go to court. I like taking the guns early. Take the guns first, go through due process. He and I introduced another assault. Dianne Feinstein.stein. Diane, you have some very good ideas.

Diane, if you could add what you have also, and I think you can, into the bill. Joe, are you ready? Can you do that? Joe, can you do that? Pat, can you add? You help. Well, no, I'll help, but can you add what Amy and what Diane have? Can we add them in?

We're talking about rules and regulations for purchasing. We're talking about changing an age from 18 to 21. I say that it should all be at 21. We do strong background checks. We're getting rid of the bump stocks. Trump cut and run like a coward. Trump, the gun grabber,

doesn't deserve a second chance. He deserves prison for what he did to us after that but that was it with me and trump right there and when that was put up that ad i retweeted that i said spot on spot on he said all of those things and yet the responses on twitter that tweet was ratioed with the MAGA cult. The MAGA cult. Yeah. You want to talk about the Branch Davidian cult? Let's talk about the Branch Trumpian cult.

These people, he, that's, that's a lie. He never said any of that stuff. He said that you don't believe your ears, your eyes. You won't even look at it. You know, called me a DeSantis soros supporter and all this other kind of stuff it's like no no uh trump uh did the red flag gun laws and they said well desantis did red flag laws well fine criticize desantis for that i don't support any red flag gun laws i don't support bill lee in tennessee for his red flag gun laws and i'll criticize every turncoat republican

who does this they deserve to be criticized. It's not like, oh, well, it's okay if Bill Lee does it because Trump did it or because DeSantis did it. No, it's not okay. And the worst of all was the rhetoric that you heard there. I'm in favor of taking the guns right now. Do the due process later. We don't have to worry about due process.

Just take the guns. That kind of stuff. Diane, I'm with you. Let's see what we can get done. You saw how she was giggling. I covered that extensively. I think it was what, back in 2018, 2019 or something. And that was before the bump stock executive order as well. I actually had somebody when I said something about the bump stock yesterday. At this year's Cheltenham, glory rests in the lap of the gods. Curses.

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yeah, and it was overturned by the courts. It was a genius move by Trump. Are you kidding me trump are you kidding me are you kidding me he's playing 4d chess that's what i heard from alex jones the entire time i was there makes me want to throw up to hear people say that i know he betrayed us i know he did gun control by executive order but look at this see it all worked out fine the the supreme court wind up you know you want to play that game you want to set a precedent because biden and lala harris used that precedent right away said we're going to use that

precedent so um he's uh calling for a confiscation just like the king did on the anniversary of what kicked this off and as i said at the time when you had eric swalwell was the first and then beta work and then biden all said it we got jets we got planes we got the military and it's like and what good have those things done to you in iraq and afghanistan and vietnam you have lost every asymmetric war you've fought against people who didn't have planes and tanks. They ate your lunch. And these people have been war gaming. What do we do about asymmetric warfare?

I have, how does this work? You know, how can they defeat us when we've got all these planes and tanks and ships and all this other kind of stuff over and over again? I mean, they're still talking about that. It's one of the things when I, you know, we went to the training facility there at AP Hill in Virginia and reported live from inside the training facility. Yeah, they weren't training anybody, and the lady at the gate let us in.

But it was a secure area inside a military base. Went there with bigs. Well, that got Trump, that got that Trump. Alex really upset. He got us arrested to cover his ass. Yeah, that's what happened there. But we reported and we showed people how they have models of cities. And of course, there's other bases.

There's a Marine base that's got it. Other bases have got places where, you know, it's not like they're training to do urban fighting in a bombed out shelter they've had those types of things all along you know you go in with the air power uh you know you destroy the city and then in the ruins you do the kind of house-to-house fighting that you see done all the time now by SWAT teams and stuff like that movies you know I get people on either side of the door. They've got angles coming in. They, you know, follow each other, that type of thing. They've been practicing that for years with bombed out places.

But now they want to practice in America against us. And so they've got rural areas. They've got suburban areas. And they've got urban areas. And the urban area was what they had in AP Hill. So, yeah, practice the way you're going to fight and against who you're going to fight, the American citizens in an asymmetric warfare that's been there for a long time. Not surprising. And so 30 years later, Waco is still damning. This is a great article written

by Jim Bovard. I'm not going to go into all of it.'ll find it that the libertarian institute.org and of course what was that oh that went through my ears um i don't know what that was uh but anyway he was um he was spot on with this at the very beginning covering it covering the aftermath of this honestly about the only one who was doing it in the press. So 30 years ago, FBI tanks smashed in the ramshackle home of the Branch Davidians outside Waco, Texas. After the FBI collapsed, much of the building atop the residence of fire erupted and 76 corpses were dug out of the rubble. Unfortunately, the American political system and media have never honestly portrayed the federal abuses.

So what lessons can Americans draw today from this 30 years on? Well, Janet Reno got a pass because she was the first female attorney general. And of course she had some real baggage personally as well, but we won't go into that. This person spun this as a raid to stop child abuse after everybody started, oh, what's going on here? Why are they doing this? And, of course, it came rapidly after what happened at Ruby Ridge. More FBI abuses. But, you know, it really wasn't a problem for Republicans

until they tried to set up Trump. Oh, now it's a problem. Now it's a problem. Because, you know, the Ruby Ridge happened before Clinton and Janet Reno were there. That was George H.W. Bush. And these people were all carryovers from that same operation and the same bureaucracy. No punishment from the Republican. No punishment from the Democrat.

After Reno publicly promised to take responsibility for the outcome at Waco, the media confirmed instant sainthood upon her, says Jim Bovard. At a press conference the day after the fire, President Clinton declared, I was frankly surprised, and that would be a mild word he said, to say that anyone that would suggest that Attorney General should resign because some religious fanatics murdered themselves. This is how it always happens. When the Clintons kill people, the victims committed suicide.

So there you go. You can add that to the Clinton side, you know, Clinton suicides. 76 men, women, and children committed suicide, according to Bill Clinton. Shortly before the Waco showdown, the U S government officials signed an international chemical weapons convention treaty, pledging never to use nerve agents, mustard gas,

other compounds, including tear gas against enemy soldiers. And I've had this discussion with many people online. Oh, you know, we did tear gas drills all the time and all this kind of stuff. It's like, fine.

Go do it without a mask and go do it inside in a closed building, okay? And then come back to me. Tell me how it went. But anyway, there's already a convention not to use that against soldiers.

But they excluded in this international convention they let governments keep the right to use it against their own civilians their own citizens their own people april the 19th 1993 the fbi pumped cs gas and methyl chloride a potentially lethal flammable combination into the davidians residence for six hours this is after they got tired of the standoff just like the nazis at the warsaw ghetto got tired of the standoff all right let's wrap this thing up just burn them out that type of thing that's what it was and on the same day april 19th yeah the cs gas and the methyl chloride could have killed them anyway and especially the kids you don't ever use cs gas on children not even outdoors

but um it also could erupt in fire but we also had forward-looking infrared radar that came out later that showed that the FBI didn't want to take any chances that that wouldn't catch fire. So they actually ignited the fire as well. Getting back to James Bovard, Benjamin Garrett, executive director of the Chemical and Biological Arms Control Institute in Alexandria, Virginia, said CS gas, quote, would have panicked the children.

Their eyes would have involuntarily shut. Their skin would have been burning. They would have been gasping for air and coughing wildly. Eventually they would have been overcome with vomiting in a final hell. I said when this shooting happened at the church, this transgender, I said what kind of a person can shoot nine-year-old children point blank? What kind of a psychopath does that? Well, let me ask you, what kind of a psychopath will at point blank range with a sniper weapon?

Shoot a woman smack dab in the forehead while she's holding a child in her arms. We know the name of that psychopath, Lon Horiyuchi of the FBI. And that was at Ruby Ridge. No problems with that. And what kind of a psychopath would order tanks to collapse buildings on people, inject a toxic mix of gas on children, and set them on fire. Well, we know the names of those psychopaths too. Janet Reno, Bill Clinton, the FBI director, the ATF. We know who they were. In 1975, a U.S. Army publication talked about the effects of CS gas.

They said, generally, persons reacting to CS are incapable of executing organized and concerted actions, and excessive exposure to CS may make them incapable of vacating the area. Oh, wow, why didn't they just come out of the building? We did that so they would come out of the building. They didn't know? Didn't read their own manuals about it?

Representative Stephen Schiff, Republican, New Mexico, declared, quote, the deaths of dozens of men, women, and children can be directly and indirectly attributable to the use of this gas in the way that it was injected by the FBI. Chemistry professor testified in Congress in 95 that the FBI gas attacks probably suffocated the children early on and may have converted their poorly ventilated bunker into an area, quote, similar to one of the gas chambers used by the Nazis at Auschwitz. Another connection to the Nazis, besides April 19th and burning out men, women, and children to death. During those 1995 hearings, congressional Democrats portrayed the CS gas, says James Bovard, as innocuous as a Flintstone vitamin.

And I've had that discussion with many people as well. As Abrams tanks driven by FBI agents continually battered the Davidians' home, FBI loudspeakers broadcasted endlessly, this is not an assault. At this year's Cheltenham, glory rests in the lap of the gods. Curses. Alas, our hero hasn't placed. But there are still divine offerings up for grabs,

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have active cancer or undergoing cancer treatment, are pregnant or just had a baby, Don't believe your lying eyes. Listen to what the FBI tells you. Prior to the fire, the tanks had collapsed 20% of the buildings on top of its residents. And the FBI had planned to totally demolish the homes. Very much like Chinman Square four years earlier, where if you get tired of the protesters or these people in your way, you just run them over with tanks. Yeah, you literally crush the opposition, literally crush the opposition. A few days after the fire, Reno was heartily praised at a Senate committee hearing, and

the media made her a national hero. Jack Brooks, Democrat of Texas, chair of the House Judiciary Committee, commented that the Davidians are, quote, horrible people, despicable people. Burning to death was too good for them. Children. Children. Seventy-some-odd children. Men, women, and children.

No due process. Take their life and do the due process later. Maybe we'll have a hearing in five years in the Senate to talk about whether or not it was justified. And then, of course, they will determine that it was justified. That's the way when you take these actions without due process. You always justify it afterwards. And they've been justifying it for 30 years. I had Christians at the time that I talked to. So, well, this is nothing but a pedophile cult. They just fell into the excuse that was issued by Janet Reno.

And I said, what is, does the ATF have any business investigating allegations of pedophilia? What does the federal government, for that matter, have any jurisdiction in any of this? When Attorney General Reno testified at the House Waco hearing on August 1, 1995, she was challenged on the FBI's use of 54-ton tanks to attack the Davidians. She replied that the tanks were, quote, not merely weapons. I mean, it was like a good rent-a-car.

When Representative Bill Zelliff, Republican, New Hampshire, challenged this, Reno hectored, I think it's important, Mr. Chairman, as you deal with this issue, not to make statements like that that can cause confusion. It is a rental car. She didn't say that. Hey, it's just like a rental car.

Media coverage of Reno's showdown with congressional Republicans ignored her rent-a-tank absurdity and instead praised her toughness and her demeanor. Jim Bovard says, My article in the Wall Street Journal on the day after the hearings was practically the only place that Reno got thumped for her rent-a-car line. He says, Waco illustrates how truth will out is Washington's biggest fairy tale. Yeah, we may never see truth and justice in this life. And there are many,

many places in the Psalms where David and others wrestle with this. How do the wicked prosper? How long, Lord, is this going to go on? Well, there will be justice. As God says, one day you will look for them and you will not find them. Like smoke, they will be gone. Like grass, they will soon wither. And they will stand before God. And we look to him for justice. So he says, Michael McNulty, who did a very good Waco documentary said they later found that these same pyrotechnic rounds that they use there at Waco actually erupted in a Texas government evidence warehouse.

Yeah, they were pyrotechnics. So, and then he talks about the cover-up of this uh i think he was retired at the time republican senator danforth and how he did all this when he says when dan wash danforth released his whitewash report he hoped his findings would quote begin the process of restoring faith of the people in their government and the faith of the government in the people. He declared the burden is on, quote, all of us to be more skeptical as those who make sensational accusations of evil acts by the government.

The evil acts by the government are never even possible. And you know, the FBI, I mean, we've seen for years, Efren Zimbalist Jr. And if you saw these pictures of what the FBI did at Waco, just forget about that. Forget about that. Think back to the carefully crafted propaganda images of the FBI program that J. Edgar Hoover had a great deal of involvement in producing as a propaganda piece. And so finally, Jim Bovard says, last month, the Houston Chronicle editorial declared, Waco has become an Alamo of sorts,

a shrine for anti-government extremists and conspiracies. Well, interesting, because you know, when I was on my way to Texas by myself to begin work 11 years ago, I went out of my way to take a detour to the Branch Davidian compound. And I stopped there. It was empty. I didn't see anybody. Evidently, somebody saw me.

I took the time to take pictures of the memorials that were there. And essentially what was kind of gravestones for these children and men and women. And I took a while there and just stood there and thought about it for quite a while, took pictures. And then as I was leaving, it was very interesting. Now, this is out in the middle of nowhere. I'd seen no other cars anywhere. I saw no people there.

And as I'm leaving, there is a police car that is pulled over on the side of the road after I got about a quarter of a mile away from them. And he was pulled over not on the side of the road where he was traveling, but on the side of the road where I was traveling, facing me. In other words, he pulled over to the wrong side of the road and got over to that side. Evidently, get a better picture of me. It's like, fine. You're going to see a lot of me, you son of a...

And so, you know, I didn't go to Infowars to get on TV. I didn't go there to offer excuses for a backstabbing, grifting politician like Donald Trump. And you couldn't pay me enough to do this. I went there to fight a damn gun... Blood clots can happen to anyone at any age be particularly vigilant if you are going into hospital have active cancer

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TheDavidKnightShow.com Well, as I said, coming up in the third hour, we're going to have an interview with a guy. He was a missionary in South Africa, and there was a lot of violence in South Africa, and he wrote a book. He's written now a second book since I last interviewed him a few years ago. His first book was called Shooting Back. He did it sometime in the mid-90s, and he was warning Americans that churches were

vulnerable and that they would be attacked and that people need to make preparations for that. And he said in his book, he said he really struggled with the idea of whether as a Christian he should do anything about that. So we'll talk to him about that, talk about how that worked out. And I have much more that I want to say about the Second Amendment, but I don't have a lot of time today. And so I'm not going to talk about what is going on except to just mention it in a headline kind of way. The fact that these two insurrectionists

that were expelled from the Tennessee legislature now have been invited to the White House These two insurrectionists that were expelled from the Tennessee legislature now have been invited to the white house and, uh, to be, to celebrate that. And, um, they have now had a second, led a second is insurrection. And of course there was a third one where the people were demanding a big mob showed up, demanded, let us in, let us in, you know, and the, the state police kept them from getting into the building with that. Uh, but, um, yeah, that is, uh, what happens when you let these anarchists, these black lives, uh, BLM, it's not black lives matter. It's black lying Marxist.

When you let these people run things. Yeah. Mostly peaceful, mostly peaceful. Just like when one of these guys before he was elected was attacking people in the riots of 2020, uh, the BLM riots, but he was mostly peaceful. He said he got elected. And I think the appropriate response to, to sum it up. It's what one legislator in Tennessee said. Hey, you're a legislator.

You've got a problem? File a bill, pal. File a bill. That's the way this works. You don't shut down the entire process because you're shutting down other people's rights. Other people's representatives are being shut down. File a bill. If you don't want to act like that, you don't belong in the legislature.

Fortunately, they let him back in on Rumble Bob Ferguson said I just watched that fake City video at AP Hill this morning uh really he re-uploaded it to Rumble and it'll be ready in 30 minutes for others to watch it really he canned that whole thing a long time ago. Well, he was upset about that. I was furious. I told him, I said, fine, cancel me. I'm not going to Copenhagen for the thing. I mean, it was, I was, you know, you know, anyway, anyway, um, on rumble on narrow gate, uh, narrow, uh, narrow narrow gate ministry said, uh, there's not enough military police to confiscate this

weaponry that's exactly right they could never do you know we've got more firearms and they left behind and in afghanistan the american people are out armed and have more ammunition than most nations uh military forces yeah and we need to understand what the interplay of that is that's why i began by saying look you know we don't want to have that we want to try to live peacefully amongst people but there is absolutely nothing uh illegal or immoral about resisting tyranny never uh we just want to try to preserve innocent life as much as we can. And there's many things that we can do before that. That's why I keep harping on doing things at a local level, at a local level.

If you've got a community, if you've got law enforcement, you've got lesser magistrates, you can nullify tyranny, whether it's coming from the federal government or whether it's coming from the state government. If you hang together with the people in your community, you can nullify that.

And that's the appropriate response, um, on rock Finn. Um, thank you for the tip, Carlos Rex. He says, um, way to go, David. Well, thank you for the comment. He says, um, exposing the big government lie. Waco was my wake up to the lie of good government. Yes. For many of us.

It was both Waco and Ruby Ridge were just astonishing. And within a couple of years, I took Karen to New Zealand. We thought about moving to New Zealand because I thought the American government is over. And it was. And it is. The American government has no authority anymore. The FBI continuing to exist. The ATF continuing to exist. We have no American government here.

This is just kind of a rough parity between the use of power. And that's what purpose the guns serve. It is like mutually assured destruction during the Cold War, where both sides have nuclear weapons. And it's like, either one of us want to use this thing. But it's very effective as a deterrent. And the founding fathers knew that. George Washington said, you know, firearms are a deterrent to evil, right?

And that's what they are. The Second Amendment is working to keep government in check because they know that they can't win an asymmetric war. Let's talk a little bit about Kennedy, RFK Jr. He filed for presidency two weeks ago. He did an official announcement yesterday and he is a startling combination of really really good stuff and really really bad stuff and when we talk about RFK jr. I know a lot of people have jumped on the bandwagon Alex says he's 110% for him

course is also 110% for Trump and on and on roger stone is uh you know jumping on the bandwagon with him as well and saying hey we need to have a we need to have a joint ticket between trump and rfk jr yeah right and defending him against attacks and so forth well you know it is um i don't know where rfk jr stands on the second amendment uh you know the gun big gun control bills that passed were passed in the wake of the assassinations of his father and martin luther king and jfk before him i don't know where he stands on that stuff i don't know where he stands on abortion i don't know where he stands on the transgender grooming of children a lot of these other things but he does take a very good stand on some of these other issues

but then as you'll see there's also questions about his character and uh i'm not going to just sweep questions of character under the carpet. I've said this for the longest time. Character matters. It really does. It's one of the reasons why we keep getting the kinds of results that we do, because we don't care about character. And we have elected some real characters to office, haven't we?

RFK Jr. is challenging the incumbent Democrat Biden on a platform of, as he said it, quote, clean government, civil liberties, peace, and economic revitalization. That's great stuff. Kennedy vowed to, quote, make as many Americans as possible, forget that they're Republicans or Democrats, and remember that they are Americans.

We need to focus on the values that we share instead of the issues that divide us. Perfect. And he is very articulate and saying a lot of very good things that other people will not say. There are big existential elephants in the room that other people don't want to talk about. And they certainly don't talk about it with the detail and the clarity that he does if they even broach the subject. There's usually crickets on these vital issues. He also lashed out at censorship of dissidents. He said, quote, not only is this antithetical to our most fundamental values,

it is counterproductive in that it fuels the flames of polarization, alienation, and anger. He said the blizzard of misinformation in America will only end when the government and the media start telling the truth. And he also said this at his announcement yesterday. This is what happens when you censor somebody for 18 years. I got a lot to talk about. They shouldn't have shut me up that long. Because now I'm going to really let loose on them for the next 18 months. They're going to hear a lot from me. Well, that's great stuff. A hundred percent.

Amen to all of that, that I just read. Everything they had to say. Here's what troubles me, though. Because, you know, he says they silenced me for 18 years. It was 10 years and 15 years ago that he was saying stuff like this. I think they should be in jail. I think they should be enjoying three hots and a cot at the Hague with all the other war criminals who are there. What about politicians, people who deny, who express skepticism?

I think they're selling out the public trust. And, you know, I think those guys who are doing the Koch brothers' bidding and who are against all the evidence of the rational mind are saying that global warming doesn't exist, that they are contemptible human beings, and that, you know, I wish that there were a law you could punish them under. I don't think there's a law that you can punish those politicians under, but do I think the Koch brothers should be prosecuted for reckless endangerment? Absolutely. That's a criminal offense and they ought to be serving time for it. All right. Well, thank you very much.

Oh, okay. So politicians, there's no way that we can lock up politicians for their speech, but we can lock up private individuals for their speech, right? And they ought to be in jail. You know, two cots and a hot or two hots and a cot or whatever he said. I don't know what the phrase is. But he called for jailing people who don't agree with him on climate change and global warming. And he was, you know, 15 years ago, 10 years ago, he was saying stuff like that.

That's my concern. You know, when we look at this stuff, he has to address that. He really does. He went on to say, when talking about the economy, I agree with this. He says, we don't have fair market capitalism. We have corporate crony capitalism where the rules are written by billionaires I agree with this. He says, we don't have fair market capitalism.

We have corporate crony capitalism where the rules are written by billionaires and incumbents and large corporations to stack the deck against the middle class. Well, that's not quite a hundred percent that I agree with him on, because I thought it was kind of interesting that he said fair market capitalism. I'm always call it free market capitalism. I say, yeah, there's free markets and then there's this crony capitalism, but it's free markets, not fair. Because again, who decides what is fair? This is the hallmark of Democrats when it comes to regulating the economy.

Well, we've got to do it in the name of fairness, right? Yes, it is unfair to have unfree markets, but it's fundamentally the freedom thing that we're issued. So I don't know if, again, where he is on that, if that's just a habit of talking like Democrats or if that's really his mindset there. Without naming the former president, Trump, Kennedy brought up his campaign pledge to drain the swamps in Washington.

Many politicians earnestly want to do so, he said, but they become paralyzed once they get into office, and they fail because they don't understand the issues. And so here's what he had to say about Trump and the lockdown. And the coup de grace was the lockdown. Lockdown was the biggest shift in wealth in human history. And I'm going to tell you about that in a second. And I blame President Trump for the lockdown.

A lot of people will say, a lot of people say, and President Trump gets blamed for a lot of things that he didn't do. And he gets blamed for some things that he did do. But the worst thing that he did to this country, to our civil rights, to our economy, to the middle class in this country, was the lockdown. President Trump, in fairness, let me just make this point, will tell people, well, the lockdown wasn't my idea. It was my bureaucrats rolled me on it. I was saying we shouldn't do it.

But that's not a good enough excuse. He was the president of the United States. And as Harry Truman said, the buck stops here. On May 2nd, 2020, 600 doctors wrote, signed a letter to President Trump begging him not to allow the lockdowns. See, I'm all for these types of discussions. And I agree with him totally in what he had to say, he's exactly right. He said, uh, you know, it's his fault, a hundred percent, his fault for the lockdowns and look at what it did to the middle class and, and he doesn't go into

all the details that I've talked about for years about how Trump protected the big businesses, they were essential. And I've said how disgusting it is. That Hillary Clinton called us despicable and Trump called us non-essential non-essential. You are non-essential. You are non-essential to our form of government, our constitution and everything else. Trump is non-essential.

That should be a t-shirt. If any of you people want to get into a fight with MAGA people, I can make the T-shirt for you. Trump is non-essential. Take that, you billionaire brat. The buck doesn't just stop with the president. The responsibility stops with the president. But as I've said as well, I've said that many times,

I've said the buck stops with him. He was gaslighted by the people there,, you know, his apologists like Alex Jones will tell you. Oh, you know, he's playing 40 chess, except when he gets hammered in the chess game by the other opponents. Right. Something this important. Really? Oh, yeah. It's just those bad bureaucrats there.

They're the ones who are doing it. That's the line you hear from the QAnon, MAGA, CULT, and all the rest of this stuff. No, he continued to fund it. He's not just responsible for starting it and giving the order, but he kept the order there. And more than that, he gave all the money, as I've said a thousand times over the 1,024 days. He kept sending the money to all of the governors, Republican as well as Democrat, who locked us down. He kept rewarding it.

He kept incentivizing it. He didn't just start it. He kept it going with money. And so, yeah, he is responsible for that. And I don't know what kind of a defense it is from Trump or his cult to say, well, he got rolled on this stuff. He got rolled on the most important thing that happened to our country. He and his Goldman Sachs treasury department head Mnuchin came up with a way to protect

his companies as well as the big guys, redefining what a small business is going to be. It said, well, we're going to help small businesses. We really feel for them. I know I called them non-essential, but they really are essential. So we're going to help small businesses we really feel for them i know i called them non-essential but they really are essential so we're going to give them the ppp and the payroll protection plan and uh so what what happened with that well they redefined what small businesses were it wasn't an enterprise that had less than 500 employees it was any location that had less than 500 employees which meant that all of big business pretty much qualified for that, including Trump's places.

And I said, don't PPP down my back and tell me it's raining, you know, from outlaw Josie Wills anyway. Um, so yeah, it was, uh,

it was a light rebuke that he had of President Trump. Much more could have been said about that. But I look at this fantasy that Roger Stone has about a Trump-RFK Jr. ticket. I don't know. But, of course, it's not beyond the realm of understanding, because the two of them probably did share tickets on the Lolita Express with Jeffrey Epstein, right? They can do that kind of passing around very intimate things. I guess they could probably share a ticket on that.

You see, character morality does matter in our leaders, doesn't it? Doesn't it? I'm glad to see him there. I'm glad to hear him saying these types of things that need to be said. It's going to be great to see him in the debate. But character matters. And it matters when you say you're going to lock up your opponents and then present yourself as a victim of censorship.

And in that regard, he's very much like Trump, isn't he? So he's got very clear articulation of things despite his um vocal issues and he talks about things that nobody else is going to talk about but of course there's some other issues in it as well he talks about how with the lockdown power was usurped this is a good example of how valuable he's going to be as a candidate, and not necessarily as a president. And I'll leave you with three thoughts. One is that any power that government takes from the people, it will never return voluntarily. Number two rule, every power the government takes

It will ultimately abuse To the maximum extent possible And number three Nobody ever complied their way Out of totalitarianism The only thing we can do is resist Thank you all very much Perfect, perfect

Well said Said it to a bunch of conservatives At Hillsdale College Thank you all very much. Perfect. Perfect. Well said. Said it to a bunch of conservatives at Hillsdale College. He also talked about how he is anti-war. You know, if you go back to the beginning of our history, our founders made so many clear warnings against Americans getting involved in foreign wars because said, trying to be an imperium abroad is going to destroy democracy at all. It is going to turn us into a garrison state, a national security state, and a surveillance state. They said, the two are inconsistent.

You cannot be an imperial nation abroad and a democracy at home. And John Quincy Adams really spoke for all of the framers when he said, America goes not abroad in search of monsters to destroy. It is something we cannot afford to do in our country. My grandfather, Joseph Kennedy, said we need to build Fortress America. We need to arm ourselves to the teeth at home and make ourselves too expensive to conquer and then build our economy because the economy is the source of strength, not bullets and weapons. It's having a strong economy, a strong middle class. Dwight Eisenhower warned against the military-industrial complex

and that it would destroy democracy. My father died in his campaign against the Vietnam War. Martin Luther King broke with the civil rights movement on Vietnam, and he said, this has got to be our priority. Because you're not seeing that there is a direct link between poverty and violence and oppression at home and war abroad. You cannot separate them. As long as we're making war, as long as our major

exports are weapons and war, we will never have a middle class in this country. Very well said. And you know, Ron Paul has said things essentially like that as well, very much on the same page. Same page as our founders. And I think he said it better than I've heard Ron Paul put it in the past. And the first speaker to introduce him at this rally was Dennis Kucinich, someone that Ron Paul has a lot of commonality with, not on particular issues, but as somebody who is against an imperial government and somebody who is genuine and honest, even if they have honest disagreements, they can still come together. And the two of them have been very complimentary of each other, Dennis Kucinich and Ron Paul.

Dennis Kucinich was there introducing RFK Jr. And he had one more thing I want to play for you about the CIA and about war. My uncle came into office two months later. He was fighting his intelligence apparatus, his military, because they wanted to invade. They wanted to do the Bay of Pigs. He was totally against it, and he let them roll over him. And in the middle of the Bay of Pigs, he realized they were lying to him. And he realized the function of the intelligence agencies

had become to provide the military industrial complex with a constant pipeline of war. And he came out during the middle of the night, during the Bay of Pigs catastrophe, and he said, I want to take the CIA. Alan Dulles had lied to him. Charles Cabal, Richard Bissell, Louis Lemaitre, Curtis LeMay had all lied to him through their teeth.

And he said, I want to take the CIA and shatter it into a thousand pieces and scatter it to the winds. And George Bush, George W. Bush had the same problem. George W. Bush says the worst mistake he made as president was listening to CIA Director George Tenet tell him it was a slam dunk that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. And so the neocons and CIA got to go into Iraq and throw out and do regime change. And now we've spent $8 trillion.

And what do we get for that $8 trillion? Nothing. Worse than nothing. Iraq is now much worse off than it was when we went in there. We killed more Iraqis than Saddam Hussein ever did. We may have killed a million Iraqis, and nobody knows the number. It is an incoherent country today where Shia death squads are fighting with Sunni death squads in the street. The government is corrupt. The police are corrupt.

We created ISIS. We drove 2 million refugees up into Europe. They destabilized democracy for a generation in Europe. They caused Brexit. This is the cost of the Iraq war. $8 trillion there, $16 trillion for the lockdowns, $24 trillion, nothing to show except a devastated middle class in the United States of America, and we need to put an end to that. All right, he's absolutely right about that as well. And you know, when he talks about the state of Iraq today, you have this society that has been crushed into total chaos, and you've got competing factions.

There'll be people on CIA saying, well, that's a good thing. That's a good thing. That's what we want. You know what? That's what the CIA wants for America as well. That's what they want for America, what they left behind in Iraq. And you look at the toxic waste dump that Iraq has become with the depleted uranium and all the rest of the stuff,

think about what is going on in Ukraine. As we use these people, destroy their lives, cynically destroy Ukraine. For what? For their geopolitical ambitions and goals? Whether or not they achieve them? They want to have this chaos and disruption continue on the border of Russia. Even if they can't get into Russia, they can keep this thing going. And we look at Ukraine, one of the most fertile and successful areas in terms of raising food. You're going to go in and turn it into a toxic waste dump like Iraq with your depleted uranium and all the rest of the stuff.

You're going to destroy the food production in Ukraine? Yeah, probably. That's their plan as well. It just keeps happening over and over again. I don't think it's a coincidence. It looks like a plan to me. And so as he's talking about JFK, just remember that these same people, Limitzer, Lyman, Limitzer, and the rest of these people,

Operation Northwoods looked just like 9-11, didn't it? Yeah. Limits are Lyman limits are, and the rest of these people operation North woods look just like nine 11. Didn't it? Yeah. They said, uh, well, we want to go to war with, uh, Cuba and we need to have an excuse for that. So I know what we could do. We could fly planes into American buildings and blame it on Cuba.

We could have shootings and bombings and malls, and we could blame it on Cuba. We could have an airliner disappear over the ocean, but we don't make it empty, you know, make sure there's nobody in there, but make it sound like it was real. And we'll make it look like it was shot down by Cuba. So we can attack them.

Well, JFK got rid of limits, sir. He went to Europe and then he kicked off Operation Gladio. And, you know, Steve Pachinik was involved in that at the end of that, along with, you know, as a representative for Henry Kissinger. Gladio, where they had false flag attacks, pretending that they were radical Marxists. You know, the Red Brigade in Italy was where Gladio happened, but you also had the Bader-Meinhof gang

and these other German terrorists who were kneecapping corporate officers, CEOs, things like that. It was all being done by NATO. NATO. With people like Limitzer and others running it, and Steve Pchenik there with the death of Aldo Moro. That's what the Italian courts found. Anyway, so you have these different competing factions

that they would like to keep that happening here in the United States. What he said there is very important, very important. Ron Paul said it. He got a lot of bipartisan support. Uh, he will get a lot of bipartisan support for saying that it needs to be said. This needs to be brought in, uh,

right now, 32% of Democrats are not backing Biden. 14%. He comes in off the bat with double digit numbers 14 uh kennedy does williamson has been in for a little while five percent of people say they would vote for her uh and then there's another 19 so that's 19 and then there's another uh 13 at this point that are undecided. So 32% of the people don't want, a third of the Democrats want somebody besides Biden already. Already.

Campaign hasn't even started. And only two-thirds want the incumbent Democrat there. Kennedy, although a long shot at this point, starts in double digits and cannot be ignored, said a political research center director and uh so you know as he's being attacked the line of attack and it's almost comical what reuters does andy sullivan comes out and attacks him says a vaccine critic there's this headline vaccine critic robert kennedy jr jr launches us democratic presidential bid.

And this is the way he begins it. Very first word, anti-vaccine activist, RFK jr, a long shot bed. He says, then, uh,

that's, uh, two hits at him in the first paragraph. The next paragraph gives his age and it says he faces little chance of success, but his campaign could serve as a platform to advance claims that childhood immunization poses health risks, a theory that has been discredited by multiple scientific reviews.

See, this is all a hit piece, a hit piece for the pharmaceutical people. So, you know, the guy who wrote this andy sullivan hey andy go collect your pfizer paycheck pal you earned it with this hit piece boot licker uh by the way i just gotta say there was a talk about boot lickers made me think of this video that just came out the school i forget which state it was in I don't have the article here now, but they actually did a, they had a plexiglass barrier, you know, that we've now come to see

in so many different places. And they had students and teachers and stuff. They put like some cream or something on each side of it. They had the students and the teachers licking the cream off. People were saying, what is going on here? This is what our schools have devolved into. A dumbed down, degenerate, sexualized thing. And it's just strange. And it's also strange when you look at all of their fear about everything with the pandemic and all the rest. You're going to go out and you're going to start licking stuff as part of a game?

Aren't you afraid of germs now? At the beginning of this, I was talking about how we now had OCD America. Everybody was obsessive compulsive disorder about everything. Don't touch anything. Don't touch the gas pump and all the rest of this stuff. I was like, seriously? Seriously? And now they've gotten so over it that the same people because this has

got to be the same people that would be running around with masks and all the rest of the stuff they've now got a licking contest anyway um kennedy says uh andy sullivan for reuters kennedy did not mention vaccines or question their effectiveness he said he would prioritize research on chronic disease. He said, this is crippling to the middle class of this country. We need to figure out what it is. And it continues with this hit piece. He says, Kennedy has been banned from YouTube and Instagram for spreading misinformation about vaccines and the COVID-19 pandemic.

His anti-vaccine activism has earned him allies on the right, however. In 2017, Trump tapped him to oversee a vaccine review panel. This is how mindless this criticism is. I played the clip of RFK Jr. coming out of Trump Tower during the transition period. And he said, yeah, we talked about setting this up and we'll see what happens with it. Trump never did a commission. He had, he called him in for a meeting. That's what the press asked him, said, did you call for this meeting or did Trump?

No, Trump asked me to come, asked me to come, talked about it. And, and he said, in that he said, I'm not anti-vaccine, and Trump's not anti-vaccine, but we need to take a look at the science, and we need to take a look at the safety and efficacy, and we need to look closely at that, and that's what he wants to do with this commission. Well, that was all it took for big pharmaceutical companies

to pony up millions of dollars and give it to Trump. And he never had any dealings with RFK Jr. again after that. And RFK Jr. knew what was happening and knew what happened afterwards. He said, yeah, just use me for that. Trump used him to up his price for the pharmaceutical people. You see what I could do to you if I really want to? I could use RFK Jr. We could set up a commission.

We could do real science. We could show real data. And we could show how your vaccines are neither safe nor effective. You want to have that? Here, here's tens of millions of dollars. Okay, I'll put in, and we want you to put in Alex Azar. He's one of us. CEO of Eli Lilly.

Put him in at HHS, and he was the guy who put out the first orders that kicked off the medical martial law in January of 2020 when nobody had died. Nobody had died. Nobody had died when Trump did it on that Friday the 13th when he kicked off the economic side of it, financing the pandemic lockdown. But that's the thing about RFK Jr.

Is he telling people, well, I'm not really pro-vaccine, just so I'm not really anti-vaccine. I just want to have the science and all the rest of this stuff. Where does he really fit on this well we'll probably get um i don't know if he's gonna have a full-throated uh opposition to the vaccines as a candidate or not or will he do this type of thing minister farrakhan has asked me to address the issue of vaccines and african american and vaccine safety i want to start out by saying this, and I want to say it emphatically. I am pro-vaccine.

I have always been fiercely pro-vaccine. I had all six of my children vaccinated, and I believe that we ought to have policies that encourage full vaccination for all Americans. Okay, so how do we read this? Is he going to defend it or not and again where does he stand on abortion where does he stand on the transgender gaslighting of children the mutilation of children as well so-called gender affirming health care where does he stand on the second amendment

these are a lot of issues um that are very important besides these other ones but he is talking about issues that are typically not talked about if that can force a debate that's a wonderful thing as a candidate so i'm happy that he is a candidate i don't support candidates i don't support i support issues and i agree with them or i disagree with them issue by issue. Salon and their hit piece against RFK Jr. Liberal Salon says Steve Bannon spent months recruiting anti-vaxxer RFK Jr. to run against Biden as a chaos agent. I think there's a lot more to it than that.

I don't think RFK Jr., whatever he is is he's not a puppet of steve bannon uh so uh they said kennedy has been accused of playing a leading role in spreading digital misinformation about covet vaccines that's a real issue right and uh he's got a whole organization for that i think he genuinely sincerely believes it but we'll see what he has to say you know could just be a rhetorical thing could be that he thinks that maybe vaccines could be safe but that is we're a long ways off and as i said before you know if we have this discussion and say well let's do some science behind it and let's focus on preservatives let's talk about adjuvants that are there let's look and do some real studies. Let's actually take a look at the vaccine adverse events reporting system.

If you were to do all that and saying, you know, well, I'm not against vaccines. I just want safety, efficacy, and let's do some science, some real science. I think if you did the real science, I'm convinced because, and you know, it isn't that I oppose vaccines because I oppose vaccines. I oppose them because they're unsafe. i oppose vaccines because i oppose vaccines i oppose them because they're unsafe i oppose them because these people are hiding their data so if you show the data and expose all this stuff i think we'd get to the same point so it could that part of it could just be the way that he wants to approach the problem i don't know but um anyway they said

after saying that americans are hesitant to the vaccine, had it worse than Anne Frank, who lived through the Nazi occupation of Germany, they said, well, again, you know, if you have to hammer down any quote that compares atrocities being committed in a country, you compare it to the Nazis, historical atrocities. If you've got to hammer that down, because we can never talk about the Nazi atrocities to Jews because they're far worse than anything that could ever happen anywhere else ever in history. That's absolute nonsense. Alexander Solzhenitsyn said the big mistake that everybody makes is to think that totalitarianism cannot happen in their country.

That's why people make comparisons to this. It was a valid comparison, but he did apologize for that, unfortunately. And so they also hammer him for going to a Reawaken America event. He went with one to one. And, you know, there's people like Michael Flynn who are there leading prayers to ascended masters and all the rest of the stuff. You know, the reawaken thing is bad, but there's been some good people who have spoken there. Some of them more than once.

He has also taken his vaccine conspiracy theories to Fox News, telling Tucker Carlson, quote, we have to love our freedom more than we fear a germ, unquote. He's exactly right about that. That's what I've said from the very beginning. And for the same reason that he said, if you give them the power, you will never get it back. I've been saying that since this all began as well. As a matter of fact, I saw an interview with him where he was talking about, you know, are you afraid that people are going to assassinate you like they did your father and your uncle?

And he said, well, you know, there's some things that are more important than life. He said that that generation, he said, um, you know, JFK is uncle and another uncle, I think it was a Joseph jr. Whatever the, the one that, um, the patriarch really wanted to have as president. He said they volunteered for World War II. They knew that they could be killed. As a matter of fact, his other uncle was killed in a suicide mission that he volunteered for.

And so he said they felt that freedom was more important than life. All the people who fought in World War II thought that way. I said that on that Monday after the lockdown order by Trump. I said, look, we had the Nazis on the English Channel, and that's when the British government started putting out things like signs that said keep calm and carry on. They also had a sign that for some reason people don't like to see on shirts anymore. Freedom is in peril. Defend it with all your might. And I talked about that. And I talked about the fact that my father

signed up after Pearl Harbor, signed up to fight in the Navy. Because there's some things that are more important than your life. And you don't want to die on your knees. And so, you know, from that standpoint, Salon thinks that that's a problem to say we've got to love freedom more than we fear a germ. You've got to love freedom more than you fear a German too, right? Why don't we understand that? whether it's germs or Germans? Kennedy also made an appearance at a rally against vaccine mandates in Washington, D.C.,

in which he said, the minute they hand you that vaccine passport, every right that you have is transformed into a privilege contingent upon your obedience to arbitrary government dictates and it will make you a slave and i would say the same thing about every infringement on the second amendment as well his sister told the associated press that her brother's quote completely wrong on the issue in 2021 she said um on vaccines and that makes them very dangerous. No, Kerry Kennedy, you were the one that was giving dangerous misinformation to people. Ignorantly or passively passing on what you had heard without thinking about it. Making yourself an unintended accessory to murder, I hope unintended. So when we look at this,

the final thing I'll say about this is, again, his private life. There was a big hit piece that was on Daily Mail bringing up all the things that Brian Shulhavi has talked about as well at healthimpact.news. The fact that, look, he's part of these people, the safe vaccine movement, and also talked about his history.

This is the headlines from Daily Mail. His history of drug addiction and womanizing. Said it makes his presidency a long shot. Does America, though, really care anymore about womanizing and drug addiction? You know, haven't we had that with Trump? Haven't we had it with Biden? Do people care on either side? I don't think so.

I think they should care, but they don't care. Drug addiction, womanizing, a wife's suicide, and what he describes as lust demons. They said that'd be enough to prevent most people from ever even thinking of running for public office. Skeletons in his closet will be enough to defeat his bid for the democratic nomination 2024 not necessarily in recent years he's turned against vaccinations to such an extent that he is

now considered by some to be a conspiracy theorist you see this is the word is coming out and um again it'll be interesting to have this finally debated. As they talk about it, this is coming from, this is an op-ed, long op-ed piece from a guy who wrote a book about him, Jerry Oppenheimer. And, you know, shows a picture of him when he's younger. R.F.K. Jr., The Dark Side of the Dream. And he talks about all of his personal failings. Talks about his troubled childhood, how the family just fell apart. Bobby was a third of 11 children that RFK Sr. and his wife Ethel had.

The family kind of fell apart. He's rebellious. He's getting involved in drugs, getting involved in womanizing and all the rest of fell apart. He's rebellious. He's getting involved in drugs, getting involved in womanizing and all the rest of this stuff. And so, you know, we just need to have some answers about where this guy is now on a lot of these different issues. Because, look, as a Christian, I know many people who have a Christian testimony,

and they were into everything, and they completely changed their life. I don't see anything about this guy having a come-to-Jesus moment, though. He's not talking about that. I don't know what's ever happened. He's got three wives, one of them committed suicide. He hasn't said anything lately, and he'll have to confront it i think as well as you know his calls for locking people up that disagree with the climate pandemic i think you'll have to address all this stuff so there's a lot of questions that remain about both character and policy but um i am super glad i can't say that i support him 110

i don't even support him 10 i don't support any politician anymore i'm sorry i've done this too long i know better you know as soon as you support somebody then you find out what they've really done or you get them in office and then they betray you and stab you in the back. It's like, I'm not going down that path. Nah, not, not at all. And so, um, I'm glad that very glad though, that he's going to be in the debates. I think that will be very, very healthy for our country. We will be right back. ORGAN PLAYS In a world of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

You're listening to The David Knight Show. We will be talking about the economy, about gold, about crypto, about a lot of different things. As a matter of fact, a lot of things have happened in the last week I've been talking about. Anxious to get his take on. The Bank of International Settlements has had Project Icebreaker, where they did tests, exchanging cryptocurrencies, stuff between three governments, Israel. Norway, I think, was another one. I forget who the third country was.

We've had the revelation of something that I had not heard of before, the Digital Monetary Authority. That was part of the IMF pushing something they called uni coin coin. I always want to call it unicorn, a uni coin. And, uh, the, you know, letters that they're going to use for that. It's going to be U M U universal, universal monetary unit. Well, that's pretty grandiose and it's coming from something called the digital monetary authority. So we'll talk about all that, but look, here's pretty grandiose, and it's coming from something called the Digital Monetary Authority. So we'll talk about all that.

But look, here's an example of how things really don't change. We have the House GOP has now come back with their long-awaited debt limit bill, and yet it doesn't limit spending. It has a $1.5 trillion increase. Now, at any time before the Trump attack on our economy and Constitution, that would have been outrageous. That would have been pretty aggressive even for Democrats to have a $1.5 trillion increase. But now that we've been accustomed to the idea that Trump and Biden are

going to add $6 trillion a year to the debt, cumulative debt, well, hey, now they can portray this as a spending cut. And they laughingly do. You see, this is the way that they play with language in Washington. Well, you know, we were going to raise it by $6 trillion. But since we're only going to raise it by $1.5 trillion, that's a cut. It's not a cut, except in the Washington lies is it a cut. $1.5 trillion, this is the House GOP, McCarthy, the rest of them. McCarthy detailed a plan on Tuesday helping to build support from hardline conservatives. What a joke.

So the hardline conservatives are going to sign on to a $1.5 trillion increase. What are they trying to conserve? Nothing. Nothing at all. I think we're going to come up with something good out of this conference that cuts spending, says Bob Good, a Republican from Virginia. So there you go. You know, this is only in Washington. They're spending $6 trillion that you don't have and then cutting it down to spending $1.5 trillion that you don't have.

More than you don't have. Only there is that considered to be responsible. Take a look at what is happening though in housing, both in California and in the Biden administration. And everybody's looking at how difficult it is to get a house right now with a very high interest rates, likely to go higher. Who knows? Again, they're not raising them high enough to stop inflation, but they are raising them high enough to destroy the economy. And we're stuck between this rock and this hard place. And it looks like they are going to, you know, at least destroy the economy.

So in California, they said, look, we want to help people who've never had a home. So if you're a first-time homeowner, we are not only going to give you a break on the loan. You know, we've had these programs in the past where if you're a first-time homeowner, you can get 100% financing, for example. You don't have to have a down payment. But California said, well, we are going to give you, we're going to give you a down payment as well. They're actually going to spend the money for the down payment and make sure that you get the loan. And we don't really care about what your credit rating is. This is a formula for disaster.

Fortunately, however, uh, they ran out of money and their $300 million plan. Uh, they blew through $300 million in just 12 days with this stuff. Um, I've talked many times about the American dream, you know, owning a home and how difficult that has become for everybody because the dreamers talk for the longest time. And these people, they want to call them dreamers, the DACA people, this executive order by Obama's attorney general saying, um, here's the executive order. I know what the immigration law is and I'm not going to enforce it as an attorney general.

So there we go. Here's my declaration that I will not do my duty to enforce the law. And Trump pretended that he couldn't do anything about that. He had to ask for permission from the Supreme Court to enforce the law, to overturn an executive order from the previous administration that was saying, the executive order was saying, we're not going to enforce the law, we're not going to do our duty. Trump's not allowed to overturn that? No, he didn't want to take the political heat for doing that.

And everybody, the Democrats are calling them dreamers. Well, here's the deal. You know, if there's a dream that is being put out there as part of the Cloward and Piven strategy to tell everybody from every country in the world. And again, you know, we talked to, um, uh, was it that lawn? Um, can't remember his name. Not lawn. No. Um, the, uh, the guy that I talked to last week, it was down in Panama.

Anyway, Jan, Jan was his name. Michael Jan. Michael Jan. See, it's coming, it's coming. First syllable is, I'm getting that age now, starting to go, I'm getting Bidenized here. So I don't know, like, too much fun of Biden because I'm just a couple of steps behind him.

Anyway, no, Michael Yan was there and he said, look, you know, Panama is a funnel point. It's like an hourglass. Everybody comes in here that's coming from the south. And in case you don't know your geography because you went to public school, Panama is way south of Mexico. And there's a lot of other countries that they have to pass through. And these non-governmental organizations are calculating, well, if somebody's coming from China or if they're coming from an African nation or whatever,

we can get them into this country but not into that country. And that's why they're injecting them into places in Central and South America that are even south of Panama. And then they go up through all these different countries. But if everybody in the world is offered free school, even preferential treatment in college, because they can get at the very least in-state tuition at any and any state, which American citizens can't get. So if we're going to give them free K-12 education and preferential stuff in college,

if we're going to pretend then that they can bring in all of their relatives and all the rest of the stuff, of course they're going to come. And the American dream is going to be shut down by dreamers. That's the plan. The plan by Cloward and Piven was to shut down by dreamers. That's the plan. Uh, the plan by Ploward, Power, uh, Cloward and Piven was to shut down our economy by using open border immigration and, uh, to overburden the welfare state. And so this is how this looks. So let's start offering everybody free benefits for

everything and bring in as many people as we can. We got this great big magnet that we're pulling people across the border and not just Mexicans coming across the border. People from all over the world. We're pulling in. It's incredible and inspiring to see that the launch of the California dream for all program has already been so successful. That's what they say when they run out of money. And when we all run out of money in America,

because the Cloward and Piven strategy, they'll call it successful as well. Designed to provide up to 20% of funding for low-income first-time homebuyers, the Dream for All program was initiated with a passage of the bill in 2021. And then it takes effect, and within 10 days, they run out of money. Now, Biden is doing the same thing at the federal level, in essence. But he's financing it. And he's financing it by charging people who have saved and people who have good credit.

He's financing it by charging them more. And how is he rolling this through? Did he get Kevin McCarthy and his people to sign on to a bill? No, he didn't run it through Congress. He did it with an executive order through the bureaucracy. This is the way things work now. Biden is going to punish good credit homebuyers in order to subsidize high-risk mortgages. A new rule, not a law, a rule by the bureaucracy,

the bureaucracy under the executive branch. He's going to force homebuyers with good credit scores to pay higher mortgage rates. You will pay on a typical loan of $400,000, which is about what the median price of a home is, on a $400,000 loan, you would pay $40 a month. That's almost $500 a year forever. I mean, this isn't a one-time fee at closing. This is a monthly bill, part of your monthly payment that Biden is going to put on you,

right? Nearly $500 a month. And then homebuyers, if, and then it gets even worse. If you're somebody who has saved money and you got 15 to 20% as a down payment, they're going to increase the fees for you. Isn't this amazing? Increase the fees, repunish the savers. And just like, you know, California wants to give 20% to people. Well, Biden wants to punish people who have a good credit rating and who have saved 15% to 20% to put down on their home mortgage to get their payments down.

No, he's going to ramp them back up. And the more responsible you've been, the more he's going to punish you. You know, it's always been said the problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money. That's what happened in California. All right, we're going to take a quick break. And Tony Ardaman of wisewolf.gold is going to be joining us. Stay with us. We'll be talking about the economy, about what is happening in gold.

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couple of weeks uh because the gold market has gone crazy talk a little bit about that well what we're seeing is the shrinking of the supply chain when it comes to physical metals and I anticipated this is one of the reasons why I set up a satellite location in North Texas and Denison Texas uh close to the trading floor because I wanted to be able to buy more product especially with our our Wolfpack members uh you know guaranteed delivery I stated that on the show so i can't not send the product timely so that's one of the reasons i've been floating back and forth between dallas and uh branson missouri yeah it's crazy isn't it uh everybody i mean it's been 60 billion dollars

that's been taken out of banks they said you got apple uh partnering with goldman sachs to offer people 4.15 if you want to deal with Apple and you want to deal with Goldman Sachs, that's what they're willing to entice you with. It's pretty interesting to see how things are happening. Of course, that's also going to make it even more difficult for the small and medium sized banks. I mean, we're looking at real financial chaos now, aren't we? I think so. I mean, this is the long talked about issue with hyperinflation that gold bugs always refer to. And we're mocked for it because, oh, that never happens. You're always wrong.

You know, we're not Weimar Republic Germany. This is not going to be hyperinflation because we're the world's reserve currency. Well, not so fast. I mean, if you look at the decline of the dollar used internationally, Davidid in 2001 75 of the transactions around the world were used in dollars uh by 2021 it was 55 this year or excuse me the last year because of the sanctions on russia uh the weaponization of the dollar it's dropped to 47 so a stunning decline uh in the last 20 years and that is is only accelerating. We've watched Russia first, starting with the dollar as candy wrappers to us. And then you see the BRICS nations emerging.

Saudi Arabia has applied for membership to the BRICS nations, which is Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa. The petrodollar itself was the reason we were staying afloat after Nixon took us off the gold standard in 71. So what we're watching, I don't think a lot of people, especially the mainstream, totally understand this. But when those dollars repatriate, David, when those dollars come home, and they will, again, 80% of all the printed currency for the US is outside of CONUS. It's outside of the continental United States. That's it's outside the continental united states that's

going to come home that's what's going to drive inflation and a lot of these countries are dumping it one at a time look at brazil going and dumping the dollar for the yuan uh china just did its first uh liquid natural gas uh exchange with the yuan on the shanghai exchange for energy um this is coming mexico has applied for the BRICS nations. It's lining up massively against the dollar. I mean, you had that great interview on Tuesday talking about the supposed project Sandman, where they get all these countries linked together and then all at once take out the dollar. Well, I mean, that could be a real possibility. And the scramble to find value is really what's happening right now where these central banks, they don't tell you this

because it's an inside deal. And again, they're buying up gold at record paces since 1967. These have been the biggest orders for central banks around the world. And when you find out things like well 75 of all the gold in existence today david was mined before 1910. and so there's not a there's not a huge supply of actual real metals there's not enough real value to house the wealth of fiat currency or the the supposed wealth the fake wealth and so uh that's what we're watching, right? It's a revaluation of all currencies are coming. And I think the BRICS nations are poised to absorb the actual commodities and all the actual productivity of the globe. And the dollar is going to be left homeless, for lack of a better word. And that's going to hurt the American people.

It's going to hurt the West. And we've got to take that into consideration when we're looking at the future and what we're going to do with our own wealth and how we're going to protect ourselves. Yeah. If anybody thinks that things are going to just continue as they have been, they're not paying any attention to what is happening. All the central banks, all of them are looking at a central bank digital currency. You have the bank of international settlements doing the same. You have IMF doing the same. Everybody is looking at how they're going to completely change the international financial

system and how they're going to change it at home. You know, when we talk about this Apple thing, Tony, you know, a big part of that is Apple's move in all of this is Apple pay and things like that. That's kind of a de facto way of getting people into it. And, and, um, at the same time in the UK, you have, um, officials there with the government saying, well, we're going to see the end of cash really pretty soon because the big companies, uh, on high street and other places, big retailers just aren't going to take cash anymore.

It's all going to be electronic. And that's one of the reasons why Apple is making this because big push now is to push us into a cashless society. They also then, uh, and digital money, they see then as their competition crypto. So that's why they got crypto on their radar, but talk about the big moves that are being taken by the, uh, the international banking community. This thing, the digital monetary authority and the, uh, universal monetary unit, the U M U.

I mean, it's just, it's everywhere. Everybody's got their own idea about how they're going to completely rewrite the financial system. They're all working on their angle of it, how they're going to fit into it. Well, you gotta love the branding faux pas of the unicorn I have a hard time saying it too I mean because I have to yes which one of us is more fake uh the unicorn or the unicorn I I don't know it works if you're German or French or something I said something it doesn't translate well into English and I was looking I was talking to you

off off air but you know you have uh Icebreaker, but you also had the Project Icebreaker. You also have Project Meridian that just took place between the Bank of England and the Bank of International Settlements using blockchain technology to settle things in real time. Look, we're going digital. The currencies from governments and central banks are going digital. And that's probably beyond dispute. The question is, how do we get there? And I think they're going to use these series of crises that they themselves have created to get us there. It's a problem reaction solution. I think they will say, this is the answer. We have all these cash that's coming back in, repatriating in the US. It's causing it to

devalue. It's hurting your retirement. It'll be China's fault or some foreign government, but never our own. And that's when they'll push the central bank digital currency. We're not anywhere out of the woods yet for central bank digital currency. I do think you're right about Nigeria, how they learned the lesson where people were like, we're not taking that. We'll go back to Bitcoin. We've got a more stable system there. And you guys can always just make up more units and devalue what we have. So you have to go after crypto first. They start with the Silicon Valley banks.

You go after Silvergate. You collapse that. You make it unsafe. You start attacking people that use VPNs to buy through Binance or other places that are offshore. A million-dollar fine. A million dollar fine? A million dollars? I mean, that tells everybody that, you know, a million dollar fine. First of all, let's talk about excessive punishments in the Constitution.

But, you know, this is a regulatory agency, so they can do that. They pretend that they can do that, pretend that their rules are not subject to the restrictions that are put on by laws passed by Congress. I mean, think about how much worse that is. Anyway, we know that's about big financial transactions if they're going to put a million-dollar fine on there because if it was something small, people would say, okay, fine, I'll pay it.

I want to transfer a million dollars, so hey, I'll pay your $100 fine or something. I don't really care. But the fact that this is happening right now, nothing has really changed in the technology. As we had the Federal Reserve governor say, what do we need this for i can send money now to anybody that i want 24 7 365 this technology has been around

for a very long time this is not being this is not because hey now we've got the ability to transfer money 24 7 no this is because they are on a timeline where they want to create financial chaos they want to redesign the financial system and they want to do it this way. And as you point out, you know, with Nigeria, they picked that country because it's big, but also because it had a lot of adoption of Bitcoin relative to other countries similar to it. And what they did was people took a look at the CBDC and said, now that doesn't even pass the sniff test. But, you know, you're talking about digital currency and cashless stuff. I think I will do that. I'll do it with Bitcoin.

And so now it's going to be prohibiting Bitcoin. And they're full on about that. It truly is amazing. Yeah, it's the greatest battle of our time. But the good news is you see these states, different states like Arkansas, recently made gold and silver legal tender. You know, they got the last year they took it uh where they wasn't the sales tax wasn't applied which you know that's one of the reasons i set up my shop in missouri i actually have my homestead is in arkansas northwest arkansas but missouri had recently passed a law that that

you know exempted uh gold and silver bullion from sales tax so it means you can be in business no one's going to pay you sales tax for a gold coin um so i think i think a lot of that in at the same time that they're ramping up the central bank digital currency and the the the total control system we're also seeing decentralization so uh you know this is far from over where you know a lot of people are waking up to this and uh you should i've never seen anything like it you know the the normal I just say normal people, but it's people that aren't listening to alternative media, people that have their whole lives bought into the system. They're starting to slowly come into the shop, make a call. The normies.

I've never done this before. Explain, how does this work? I mean, I want to get out of banks. I want to get out of my bank. I want to buy gold and silver. And you walk them through the process and you know it's it's and i tell them i said well you're early because here's what's going to happen and i don't know how it's going to play out i've been trying to figure out you know what's the end game here when i see you know the the supply chain lagging in real precious

metals and i'm i'm a member of like three different major wholesalers so i can see what their inventories are i don't know what's going to happen when you know more than two or three percent of the population wants to house their wealth in precious metals i i don't know what that will do yeah because right now you if you're you're early to the game you can still get something i don't know what's what that's going it may drive up the price but no is anyone going to be selling it's in in a chaos like that where you're having a rapid decline of purchasing power in the dollar it's like the the you know the what happens with gresham's law when uh you know bad money enters the system it drives out good money well that eventually reaches the end game which is is the bad money goes to zero and then people are scrambling for value. We've seen that in countries that experience hyperinflation.

I'm just what I'm seeing right now in my years of experience is that that is not going to be a scenario where people, normal people that have been watching mainstream media and absorbing the narrative and believe that things will be the same tomorrow as they were yesterday, there's not going to be precious metals. And that's not something I'm saying to be an alarmist. I mean, if you're listening to this program, you're following David, you're already ahead of the ball. That's good. But just don't take that for granted because I don't think that the supply is going to be there when we do see a rapid decline in purchasing power. De-dollarization happening in real time will cause a massive shortage in the precious metals market.

That's right. And, you know, there was an article that I covered. I can't remember what the multiples were, but it was something like 175 times more paper gold out there than there is actual physical gold so these normies these newbies looking at this stuff once they look at this and and you know something starts happening big time with inflation or other things and you're trying to get in gold once that con bubble bursts about the derivatives of paper gold and paper silver once people realize there's nothing there that's's going to create something of a panic, something of a run for people trying to grab the physical

stuff, if they can find it at that point in time. Yeah. Well, we've seen that last year. There was a big story. There was a Texas billionaire woman who said, I want to order, um, you know, so much silver. And she was like, you know, I think a hundred billion dollars or something She was like, I think $100 million or something. And this one trader was trying to track stuff down.

And they had to use multiple sources. A lot of it was delayed for months and months and months. I mean, it had to be bought all this time out forward. And so I think that was a test. I mean, these other billionaires, they're not buying physical. They're buying paper. There's going to be a reckoning of that because i just laugh when i see these prices i'm like that's not you know if you try to get physical metals and if this really if this really

accelerated and normal people started you know putting in orders the whole system would collapse yeah and i think you know i've no one really knows what the ratio is, but it's been estimated that for every physical ounce of silver that actually exists, they sell it 240 times on the paper exchange. That's an estimation. And I'm assuming it's the same for gold. You know, the same thing with the central banks. I mean, they're ordering. When you know how much gold actually exists, and it's a very finite thing. Like I said, you know, 75% of the gold that exists today was put into existence in mine before 1910.

So we've got some legacy gold out there. And that's just, again, there's going to be a reckoning to that, especially if you look at what happened to all the economies on earth after Nixon took us us off the gold standard everybody going to fiat and then increasing their debt you know it's it's what is it 95 of all currency in existence today david was created out of debt yeah probably this is no it's not even fractional reserve because there's no reserve it's the paper gold sorry it's all paper there's no gold there right it's completely paper yeah that's uh it is it is amazing you know it is a big ponzi scheme and uh you know we're going to have a situation kind of like a looney tunes thing you know where you run off the cliff and you go for a while and everything is fine until you look down you see there's nothing underneath you

uh and uh it's no gold in the paper and at that point you go straight down so uh that's really i guess where we are talk a little bit about bitcoin because you also sell bitcoin and um talk about some of the uh we've mentioned some of the moves against it of course the restrict act is uh horrific on so many different levels they don't even bother to try to give it a nice label anymore they say we're going to restrict you and so it is horrific in terms of speech and internet control and everything else but the thing that i i see is how they've got the gun pointed at bitcoin and we've had uh articles uh last week we had a couple of articles that hit at on the same

day one of them from the new york times another one from children's health defense fund of all things rfk juniors thing even though he's been talking about cbdc they did a hit piece on the energy requirements of cryptocurrency the bit uh the bit mining uh bitcoin mining thing and uh and it is amazing and of course a lot of people really ratioed the New York Times. Oh, look at this. They're tree murderers and all the rest of the stuff. Talking about all the energy that they use in the trees that they consume for their paper. And, of course, you could say the same thing about the surveillance state. You could say the same thing about the artificial intelligence deep learning.

You know, where they're spending all this energy to try to get the, to develop the artificial intelligence, but they only care about this one particular thing. They pull that out and focus on it. We've seen a lot of stuff with that. So we've got legislative stuff. We've got a PR campaign, all of that pointing at Bitcoin. What do you think is going to happen with Bitcoin? Is it going to be essentially made, you know you know, we're, we're moving into the, the area there where I think they're going to try to outlaw it in the United States. And that's certainly what, uh, Elizabeth Warren wants to do. Well, certainly, I mean, they, that's an enemy, uh, to the central banking system. It's an enemy to the establishment. And I think that, uh, Bitcoin has a story yet to tell. I think that

the other countries that aren't regulating as heavily will benefit from this. I mean, more mining will move there. They'll deal more in Bitcoin. Bitcoin, I don't think is going away. I bought my first set of Bitcoin in 2016. My family had a convenience store in Dallas, Texas, and we leased it to a Bitcoin ATM. And I'll watch people going back and forth and buying Bitcoin. And I thought, that's interesting. I'd read about it a couple of years earlier in Reason Magazine. I thought, I'm going to buy myself some Bitcoin. And at the time, it was trading at like $340 of Bitcoin, something crazy like that. And I bought like $100 worth. And then I thought, well, I'm going to buy a machine. I'll just figure this out.

And so I've been in the Bitcoin business since 2016 in some capacity. And it's still a mystery to me. I cover crypto and I read about it. It's still a mystery to me. I think the jury's still out. Again, if I found out something about Satoshi Nakamoto or the origin of Bitcoin that I didn't like, I'd stop dealing in it. But so far, I don't know anything that would stop me from dealing in Bitcoin. And I do think that other countries are going to pick it up, whatever slack is out there, for lack of a better term.

It'll be picked up. I don't think it's going away. I don't think that if you read anything about the network, and it's the one crypto that doesn't have a company it doesn't have a person at the head i mean you can trace all of the cryptos back to someone or to something or if you look at ethereum they that you know they're moving in the direction to uh be a platform for this proof of stake instead of proof of work uh so they're they're positioning themselves to say hey come on you know you can put your central bank digital currencies. You can piggyback them on us.

And, uh, so that's, that's where they're going. As you point out, it is a company that's out there. Let me ask you, because maybe, you know, this is one of the things that kind of concern me. I don't think that it's going to go away. I think it'll be there in other places, but the question is for Americans, if they prohibit it, how are you going to get to it? And so that's one of the reasons why they've got the restrict act to say, well, you're

not going to go to a website that we prohibit. And then you're going to get this pretty hefty fine if you do. Then if you try to get around that prohibition by using a VPN, which is what people have done, excuse me, to try to get around the great firewall of China when, you know, with their authoritarian restrictions. And so now the U S government wants to become more like China. So if you try to get around our restrictions, firewalls with a VPN, now we'll hit you with a million dollar fine, that type of thing.

So what do Americans do? Can you, um, you know, if you put your Bitcoin on, um, certainly you don't want to keep your Bitcoin on, uh, any of these exchanges. So you've got it on your wallet. Can you don't want to keep your Bitcoin on any of these exchanges. So you've got it on your wallet. Can you exchange it to somebody else? You're still going to have to go through, uh, some kind of mining, uh, situation in order to, to transfer that, right? How does that, how, if they shut that down, if they say you can't do it in the U S and

you can't find anybody that'll do it in the U S they close down the entry and the exit points there. And you are the only thing that you can do find anybody that'll do it in the U S they close down the entry and the exit points there. And you are the only thing that you can do is go abroad. Uh, and if you do that and they catch you, you've got a million dollar fine or whatever. Is there any way around that, that we know of at this point in time? I don't see it. Is there, well, it'd be kind of like if in the 1920s with the Volstead act.

And then a lot of people said, well, thank goodness. I'm going to make some money now. You know, there's now it's illegal or now that the state's against this one particular thing, I can drive up the margins. No, there will be decentralized wallets you'll be able to download. People will bring Bitcoin in that way. I mean, even if there's no exchanges. And again, you'll be able to exchange. Look, if you've got a decentralized wallet like Exodus, I like Exodus.

It's simple. You can write down your phrases. It'll give you your own like 12 word phrase. You can go laminate that and put that in a fire safe. If you lose your device, you can just go and reload the wallet. And again, it's not tied to an exchange. You can't buy anything from Exodus. You can only put crypto there. So if it's a Bitcoin wallet wallet you're going to be able to send bitcoin to someone else who has a wallet that's international it doesn't matter if they're you know a mile away or 10 000 miles away doesn't matter um so you've got you know you've got uh

decentralized wallets will be able to be used they'll be able to buy things with that i mean if somebody wanted to let's say you're a private citizen you want to sell you know an ounce of gold for uh some bitcoin you can do that. I mean, that's a transaction that, what hand does the government have in that? That's not illegal to do. Well, if they restrict Bitcoin, it might be in some way. They might be illegal to buy. So I don't think that they can totally get rid of the system. I mean, they can, you know, do these top-down authoritarian Elizabeth Warren-style crackdowns, but it's not going to work. So if they close down the entry and the exit points by saying we're not going to let any of the banks, which is what they're in the process of doing now, not going to let banks handle this stuff. We're going to punish banks if they do.

We're not going to allow some of these companies that want to do crypto. We're not going to give them access to our financial system. We're going to shut them off that way. You can still, if you've got the Bitcoin, you can still exchange it with other people. You don't have to go to any of these prohibited sites to do that. Correct? Right. I mean, it's like I've been in business with Bitcoin for years now.

And I can tell you the last 36 months, David, I've only exchanged bitcoin into fiat currency through an exchange one time wow that's good well you can tell that i'm a real newbie when it comes to stuff i i support bitcoin because i think that we need to have as many alternatives as possible outside of this federal reserve system we need to try to decentralize things so i support it but i don't really use it because there's you know i i just, there's a lot to learn about it. And, um, and, you know, I keep seeing all these places where people get scammed or they get hacked and exchanges as well as individuals. And it's like, uh, I, I prefer to have stuff that I physically hold is a complicated thing

that I don't understand. I'm glad that it's there. I'm glad these people are pushing back against it. I support their right to do that. It's just something that i haven't really participated well and you talked about the regular it's one of the things i've changed in my business i i sold my atms it was just getting so regulated and only the bigger companies could afford to deal with this regulation and the kyc to know your customer so one of the things that i did i said look i'll take bitcoin or gold and silver i got no problem with that i

can always turn the bitcoin into something else you know i can i can repatriate that into gold itself or like whatever i need to do i can i can do that so right now i don't sell bitcoin directly um it's just hard to do the i don't have a bank that i can wire from so because if you wire a bitcoin exchange and i was you know sending funds to silvergate uh to buy I was, you know, sending funds to Silvergate to buy Bitcoin. It's, you know, a couple of years ago, but that's gone. So right now, if you want to deal with, you know, Bitcoin with me, but it's harder to do the, you know, the other cryptos are getting tougher and tougher to deal with. I mean, as far as like taking them, turning them into something that you can cash out. So I've just said, look, Bitcoin is where I, you know, I stick with that

on crypto. That's my coin. So if you deal with Bitcoin, you certainly can. I could do something with that. But I recommend Cash App. I think the Cash App's a good place to buy Bitcoin. Don't keep it there. But you can buy Bitcoin on your Cash App as long as you verify your identity. You're not going to be able to buy Bitcoin in the open market without telling whatever entity, whatever company

who you are. You're going to have to do that. You can buy it from an individual and there's local Bitcoins and things like that I think you can look up. I haven't had to do that for a long time because I have people usually bring me Bitcoin for metals. But you can certainly do that. Cash App's a good way to go and it gives you the ability just to buy a little bit at a time. And you're talking about shutting down your, um, ATMs for Bitcoin or anything because of all the know your customer rules. Isn't that interesting?

You know, we used to see, uh, uh, KYC, that'd be kind of Kentucky chicken, you know, like KFC, but I guess the fried is now as part of a FTX, you know, and now weman Pride and now we got Kentucky customers. But, you know, when we look at it, that's one of the things I started talking about with Rockfin is like, look, I, you know, I have to take the, if people give me a tip on Rockfin, I've got to take it out of that cryptocurrency. I've got to put it into Ethereum and then take it out of Ethereum with another transaction to get it into the other stuff. It's difficult to deal with this stuff and they make it very complicated. And of course, they want to just shut it down. And that's why I talked about what they did with the know your customer rules really made it difficult. It hung up money for a couple of months for us. We couldn't

get stuff out of there because of the new identity things that they wanted for the know your customer rules and everything. It was unbelievable hassle that they're doing. And you talk about shutting down the smaller exchanges and stuff. Isn't that interesting? Because that's kind of a hallmark of Elizabeth Warren. When she put together that financial, the consumer financial protection board, or if I got the order correct, and when she put that together, oh, that's going to protect consumers from fraud. What it did was it shut down a lot of small and medium-sized banks by the hundreds every year were being shut down because they couldn't afford to comply with all the regulation. And so it just completely shut them out of a lot of markets where they could loan

and put them out of business. She's now trying to replicate that through crypto and by doing other things as well, not just changing the know your customer rules and other things like that. But boy, she is really death by regulation, isn't she? It's amazing. Yeah, that's not fascist at all, David. I mean, the merger of these giant corporations and government, that's not fascistic at all. That's exactly what it is. They're taking out this decentralized network that was beautiful. It's been built by entrepreneurs and hard work and risk. And then again, these banks that never had anything to

do with it are just reaping the benefits, buying up the assets from the banks that they take out and over-regulate and drive into bankruptcy and drive into insolvency. So no, I totally see that coming. And I got off of the train for ATMs. I love that I got to work with Bitcoin so long and it was interesting. But right now, I'll take it for payment. And the thing is, you don't have to really worry about an on-ramp. If you don't have to turn it into fiat, then you can do a lot with bitcoin you know and you should start thinking in those terms you know bitcoin is great to to be able to transmit across the globe you know and again it doesn't matter distance you can do it instantaneously and that's peer-to-peer wallet to wallet and that's you know a guaranteed secure

transaction start thinking in those terms if you're new to crypto uh like i said the cash app's a good place to go you can get into some of these exchanges gemini i use gemini sometimes but cash apps is probably the easiest and you could just own a little bitcoin and learn how to send to your friends like learn how to use that um and again it's not you know emp proof uh it's it's not one thousand percent guaranteed against all calamities and financial collapse i like physical precious metals but if i have to send something i'd like bitcoin yeah yeah it has a vulnerability in terms of emp and taking down the power grid or taking down the internet and things like that but yeah it is uh it gets complicated only really when or gets uh starts to look uh risky or complicated

when you look at putting it into the dollar and going back and forth the same type of stuff you've always talked about with gold, you know, well, is gold fluctuating in price or is it the dollar that's fluctuating in price? Right. And it really is the dollar. It looks,

it makes it look like from that perspective, it makes it look like gold is jumping all around different places. Before we go, tell us a little bit about what's happening right now. Why is wolf dot gold in terms of, uh, any specials or anything like that that's happening? I know you've been incredibly busy as everybody is starting to see, uh, things take off, everybody says, well, I better get on board the train.

Uh, what, what are you seeing there at wise wolf dot gold? Well, like I said earlier, right now I'm working on making sure we have supply and uh, opening up opening up that shop in Denison, Texas. If you're in North Texas, you can stop by the Main Street Mall, which my mother owns there. The longest Main Street in Texas is Denison, Texas, former home of Dwight Eisenhower, and even Doc Holliday had an office there when he was a dentist. There's a brewery right behind the mall that's called the say when uh so always fun to go go and check out uh the denison location but yeah we're just trying to set up a new supply

chains and uh working on that and uh you know we've got our our membership program uh that's growing by the day and uh that's one of the things that i did some calculations this week i was talking with kenzie it was like trying to find some capital. And I think, well, we're about a month at least of reserves just for Wolfpack members. Cause Wolfpack gets priority. So anything that comes into the shop, if it's a silver round or if a bag of silver dimes or some smaller gold, fractional gold, that just goes to Wolfpack members and it goes back here in the vault.

So you should check it. If you're, if you want to support David, one of the ways you can do that, even if you just got a small budget, can join wolfpack and uh i said last time i was on here that anybody who joined in this month is going to get some free gold backs i started dealing in the paper gold i know that we've talked about this before but it has a um you know it's like a currency bill that's used in utah nevada they have new hampshire but there's a small sliver of gold

that's it's woven into the bill it's really neat it's not it's not a derivative uh it's not like the other paper goal we're talking about it's actually got embedded in a little bit of gold no it's in yeah it's real gold in the paper note itself and they have uh a lot of different denominations and so we've we bought uh about five thousand dollars worth uh the last uh month and we're gonna start putting that into packages as soon as it arrives. But if you joined Wolfpack in the last, since the last appearance on the David night show, you're getting a free gold back. So we're putting that into the, into the packages here this month.

As soon as they arrive, I promise you'll get them. That's great. That's great news. Always good to have you on Tony. Glad you could make it this week. I know how busy you are and very, very busy. Wisewolf.gold. And again, you can get there and let them know that you're coming for me if you go through

DavidKnight.gold. Thank you so much, Tony. Appreciate it. Thank you, David. Appreciate it. All right, folks, stay with us. When we come back, we're going to talk to our guest who is a Christian. He's a missionary who was involved in, you know, God used him.

Let's just put it that way. God used him to save a thousand people in a church shooting. And he warned Americans about it well before it started happening here. So we're going to talk about, the subtitle to his book, Shooting Back, is about the right and the duty of self-defense. So we're going to talk about that talk about the event and he's got a new book as well well we'll be right back

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Did I say your name correctly? That's very close, David. Thank you very much. Charles van Vick. Thank you. Okay, this is as close'm gonna get i'll spell it out for people because your website is c-h-a-r-l-v-a-n-w-y-k dot info and so that's correct it might be easier for people to find you if they look at the at the title of your books because that's pretty easy to remember shooting back was your first book you've now got a new book uh reloaded uh is it reloaded shooting back or um yes reloaded and the subtitle is shooting back again okay so shooting back and

then reloaded and then the subtitle shooting back again and let's talk about this because the subtitle to your first book shooting back was about the right and duty of self-defense. Spoiler alert, after he went through this struggle, as I mentioned before, he played a key role in the St. James Massacre in terms of protecting about a thousand lives. So let's talk a little bit about your concern about it as a Christian missionary. Tell people, because you wrote this book long before we had any church shootings in the U.S., and now we've had several, I'm afraid, and so you were trying to warn Americans about what was coming. Take us back to, you know, before the St. James Massacre and what you were thinking as a Christian, what you went through

in the process. Yes, David, it was quite strange because I'd been in the military in South Africa. All white men at the time during the apartheid days needed to do national service, and that included two years in the military. And I could understand theologically and biblically how a man could defend his homeland and defend his family from that sort of perspective. But I really question the idea of carrying a gun in civilian streets and supporting yourself if somebody was trying to attack your family. Strange enough as it is, that was an issue for me. And let's talk about that because, you know, that really is the point of attack on the

Second Amendment here in the United States. It's like, well, you know, the military can do it to defend the country and defend innocent lives because they've got the imprimatur of the government. But you as an individual shouldn't be allowed to do that. We see that all the time, even about the teachers in the schools. So you were there where we are right now in this debate, and what did you decide about that? Yes, so I really struggled with this issue, and then I read an article by Larry Pratt, who was the executive director at the time of Gun Owners of America, and he basically laid

on a biblical foundation for Christian men arming themselves to protect their families. And as I said, in Civilian Street. So I thought it was an excellent article, really changed my mind on these issues. And then very soon after that, I was driving my car near a town called Wellington, near Cape Town, South Africa. And all of a sudden, I saw burning tires in the street. And as I slowed down, the people started pelting me with rocks and bricks at the car. And I managed to do a U-turn and get away there as quickly as possible, drove to a police station to tell them what had happened,

to report the issue. But then I decided straight after that incident that, you know know I was unmarried at the time but I thought I'm going to get the fire I'm not and if anybody threatens to kill myself all my friends and my family in the future I'm going to I'm going to defend defend ourselves defend us with lethal force yeah so that's very much how it panned out did the police say uh well they were mostly peaceful right that's right yeah yeah i understand there's this argument that you know in fact i had somebody on a previously on an interview in america saying to me we can trust our politicians so we can give firepower to to the state but, you know, in Africa, you can't. So I don't know how that's panning out.

I don't know how that's panning out for you. Yeah, I don't really trust the politicians to protect us. Even people who are well-intentioned and who would risk their life to save other people, you know, they're heroes, but there's not always a hero around, right? So you have to act in self-defense. Talk a little bit about the challenges that you had as a Christian and what Larry Pratt was saying in terms of convincing people, because I've had a lot of Christians who have pushed back and say, no, you know, I can't do anything even in self-defense to harm somebody else. What was

it that Larry Pratt said that convinced you? Larry Pratt quoted quite a lot of scripture. I'll quote that too. Exodus 22, verses 2 to 3. If a thief is found breaking in and is struck so that he dies, there shall be no blood guilt for him. But if a son is risen on him, there shall be blood guilt for him. And now they're talking about a life-threatening situation.

If you take a person's life when they're threatening your life, it's dark, you can't see them, you don't know what they're doing in your house, then there's no blood on your hands for that. But if it's broad daylight, you can see somebody's just stealing a loaf of bread, then you don't take their life for that. And then he also quoted Jesus Christ in Luke 22 saying, but now let the one who has a money bag, take it and likewise a knapsack and let the one who has no sword, sell his cloak and buy one. So Jesus Christ speaking to his disciples, telling them to purchase the greatest military weapon at their time. And some people argue that the Apostle Peter pulled out his sword

and he took off Malchus' ear, one of the soldiers of the high priest. And if we look at that scripture, we see that Jesus actually tells him to put it back in its place. He doesn't tell him to get rid of the sword because he had told him to buy swords so larry did larry did a really good job of taking one through these ideas in scripture there are many more obviously but um you know it just would be a very basic one you shall not murder you know we're not allowed to take a judicially innocent life but straight after god gave that command he sent out His people to go wipe out

other nations. And so, the whole idea is that there are times when a Christian might need to kill, but you don't take a judicially innocent life. In other words, we don't murder people. Right. And so, these are ideas that Larry was talking about, which I felt very refreshing, very encouraging, and it really changed my mind on this whole issue. Darrell Bock I agree, yeah. I've often wondered if Peter had an open or concealed carry permit from the Roman government for his sword. What do you think? Peter Robinson Well, some theologians that have written about this,

you know, saying that the disciples were young people. They were teenagers carrying the finest weapon of their time. And apparently, from what I could gather, it was actually legal for them to be doing it under Roman supervision or Roman control. They weren't allowed to just have swords. So it seems like Jesus was doing something very disruptive at the time. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, the Roman Empire was in many ways a lot freer than the American Empire was.

They certainly didn't have biometric surveillance at the very least. It's interesting to see how things have devolved and centralized. But yeah, I think that even beyond those, my opinion, even beyond those excellent examples that you gave, I think it runs throughout the Bible, both Old and New Testament, that we are to defend innocent life. God is defined as the defender of widows and father to the fatherless and all the rest of the stuff.

And that doesn't mean just helping them financially. That means literally defending people when you need to do that. And, you know, it speaks out constantly about injustice. And, of course, you know, people who are swift to shed blood. But, you know, we have a right and a duty, I believe. That's the subtitle of your book, Shooting Back, a right and a duty of self-defense. What year did that book come out?

Oh, that's a difficult question. I think it's a good 15 years ago already. So it's quite a while back. So it's pretty old already. But David, I have to agree with you. In 1 Timothy 5 verse 8, we can read, But if anyone does not provide for his relatives, and especially for members of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever and provision is obviously also the security it's

not just food it's not just clothing you also need to provide for the security of your family so yes the book's quite old already and so second book has come out and lord willing i'm hoping to have a third book out uh for the commoration, the 30-year commemoration, which is happening on the 25th of July this year. So we'll see how that pans out. That's good. Yeah. As we're talking about this, I also think about Jesus. He says, if a thief is not going to enter in a home and start stealing stuff unless he ties up a strong man first. In other words, you're going to defend your family. Certainly, he's just talking about theft. We're talking about a physical violent threat to people.

And when you did this, and this is the key thing, we had not had any shootings, I believe, in the U.S. Maybe there had been one. I don't know. But it wasn't a thing when your book came out. You were warning people. I remember the first time I saw the book was on WND's website, and you were talking about this is coming to America,

and it now has come to America. We've seen, unfortunately, several incidences of this, and we've seen that these incidents only stop when there is somebody who shoots back. So let's talk about, after you work through some of these things and you convince yourself that you had both a right and a duty to protect innocent life from violence and aggression, talk about what happened in the events of the St. James Massacre. When did that happen? Sure, David. That was on the 25th of July, 1993.

So it's just almost 30 years ago that that happened. Do you want me to give some detail about that right now? Yes, yes. Let's go into it. Okay. Tell us as much about it as you want. Kind of set it up, what was happening and everything. Great.

So we were sitting in a church service in Cape Town, South Africa, when all of a sudden there was a noise at the front door of the church, and a terrorist stepped into the church. And as soon as i saw them come in and i saw their rifles i thought that a play was taking place in the church i had a young girl that was working for me at the time in the insurance industry and she was a youth leader at the church and she told me they were going to do a play for the youth and they were going to have people dressed up as soldiers or as policemen and they would take away the church youth leaders and accuse them of spreading the gospel when they weren't

allowed to be doing that. So I had that on my mind and these men walked in with their automatic rifles. They also had hand grenades with them and they had put nails on the outside of the grenades wow and they opened they opened up fire with their automatic rifles and they lob grenades into the congregation so you can just imagine everybody got down as low as they possibly could onto the floor trying to hide behind the benches and um they this strangely enough very very quiet and i realized only when the grenades were blowing up and the the rounds were hitting the wooden benches and splinters were flying up into this into the air i realized this is not a show it's's not an act. It's not a play. This is the real thing. And so I had a 38 special revolver, five shot revolver with me. I was sitting fourth row

from the back of the church. The church is a very large auditorium, could sit about one seat, about one and a half thousand people. There weren't that many that night. It was a cold winter's night in Cape Town in the middle of July, which is our wintertime in the Southern Hemisphere. And I just took my 38 special, took it out of the holster, which was on my ankle, and I knelt behind the benches. It was very much like a cinema, the church. It was very high at the back and low to a stage in the front,

and I could kneel behind the bench and take two shots at the attackers at the front door of the church. I then realized that I was far too far away from them. Anybody that's listening or watching might know that a.38 Special snap-nosed revolver is not for shooting across a thousand people when you're in the fourth row from the back of an auditorium. So, David, I had to get on my hands and knees and I leopard crawl. We call it leopard crawl. I don't know what you call it in America, but you're on all fours and you get down as low as possible and i i let patrol to the side to the aisle and i ran out the back door of the church and the idea was to come in behind the attackers and shoot them in

the back at close range to stop the the carnage and as i ran down the back stairs and I was about to round the corner, I realized then that they'd already left the church. So what I didn't know then was that one of my rounds had hit one of the attackers inside the church, and so they ran back to their getaway car. So I came around the corner, I saw them, and I jumped back behind the corner because one of them was standing at the back door of the getaway car. And he had his rifle on his hip looking at the door they had come out from. So one of them had been hit.

They ran out. They thought that maybe I'd become running after them through that door and he would have lowered his rifle and just blown me away. But I was behind him. So I took another three shots from stepping out from behind the wall and they jumped in the vehicle and drove off. And what came out afterwards at the Truth and Reconciliation Commission, which was a government commission to look into terrorism and what have you around south africa somebody came and

parked them in apparently a random person came and parked in front of them and they couldn't get out of the parking lot in their getaway car so they took a couple of shots at this random person and threw what we call a petrol bomb at them which is petrol or gas inside a bottle which you light with the rag in it, and you throw it. And this thing exploded, and this car drove off as quick as possible. So, you know, all these strange stories start coming out later. Wow.

Somebody's just driving around in their car with what we call a Molotov cocktail. They threw that at them. Yes, that's right. Yeah, that's it. Imagine that. You park outside a church, and the next thing, somebody starts shooting at you and throws a Molotov cocktail at your car. Anyway, so they drove off very quickly. Now, let's say that happened in 1993.

And then five years later, you know, the communists take over. And in order to, because there's a lot of atrocities going back and forth on both sides. And so to try to shut everything down, I guess, or whatever, however you want to interpret these committees. They had these Truth and Reconciliation Commission where they would offer people amnesty for any crimes that they had done if they would talk about it from their perspective. And that's when you found out a lot of the stuff that was happening, some of it that you mentioned. I mean, what all did they say in the Truth and Reconciliation Commission? What was their motive in doing this? They had various motives. They argued mostly that they were under command and they were just obeying orders. But one of the young men argued that the white people that came to Africa

stole the land. And so he didn't have a problem with killing them in churches because they came with their Bible. And that's one of the stories that we hear in Africa. You know, the white man arrived with his Bible and he gave Bibles to the local Africans and he stole their land while he gave them the Bible. So this is an old story that's been going around in South Africa and probably other parts of Africa

as well. So he was justified in his own mind. Reparations. They admitted- What we would call here reparations. That's right. That's why they're trying to build up now with the 1619 Project and all the rest of the stuff is a sense of entitlement, a sense that you are okay to take vengeance on people because of this injustice that happened centuries ago. And so now you can take it out on people today. That's really what they're trying to build up here.

So that's another element of this that we really haven't seen that much. We've seen a little bit of this. We just had a lady decide that she was going to steal something like $1,000 worth of food, and she defiantly said, this is my reparation. It didn't go down too well for her. But the day is coming when there's going to be violence, and they're going to feel completely justified in doing it because the government and the schools have been telling them this line for a very long time.

So that's what one of them said. What did some of the others say? They—well, they were arguing that they were under—they didn't even know it was going to be a church, that they were under commanders who commanded them, and they just carried out and did what they were told. So some of them argued right up to the point of until they arrived at the church, they didn't even know it was a church that they were going to attack. Nevermind the fact that the church was multiracial. So there were these sorts of arguments that admitted to the fact that they murdered the

people which they did. There were 11 murdered and over 50 that were injured. And some struggled with it. I know the one chap that I actually hit with one of my rounds, he told me that he apologized to some of the survivors afterwards. And that took place behind closed doors. And as he said to me, you know, he said, this is politics. So, you know, you play one game in front of people or the cameras, and then something else happens behind closed doors. So I wasn't involved in that, but that's apparently what happened. But one of the other, or a couple of the other interesting things that happened in the church was there was one young man with the name of Gerard Harker. He was 21 at the time, and he fell on top of a hand grenade and took a full body blow to himself to protect the people around him. And unfortunately, his younger brother, 13-year-old

younger brother, also died in the attack. And then there was another youngster, 17-year-old boy, Richard O'Kill, who had two young girls, Lisa and Bonnie. I'm actually friends with Lisa. And they all went down onto the ground. And Bonnie, who was so surprised, she sat up or stood up to see what was going on with the whole attack. And she was so shocked, she didn't know what to do with herself.

So Richard went up on his haunches and he pulled her down. And as he pulled young Bonnie down onto the ground, a bullet hit him in the back of the head while he was trying to save her life. And we also had a ministry to Russian sailors at the time. And one of them with the name of Dmitry Makagon was 23. He was traveling around the Cape on a large ocean liner ship, for want of a better word. And the ministry leaders at our church would fetch these Russian soldiers and bring them through to come and hear the gospel being preached. And so a bunch of them were in our church that evening. And one of them, Dimitri, had a hand grenade land on his lap and it blew off both his legs and one arm.

And so... But he survived. He survived. He survived that. And the church brought his fiancée over from Russia, and they actually ended with a fairy tale story by getting married in that church later. So there's some really interesting things that happened under those circumstances. Now, were you a member of that church, or were you just kind of visiting that church? Did you know these people, or were you just visiting that church? Did you know these people, or were you just visiting that church? No, I wasn't a member, as in signed-up member, but I went to all the Sunday evening services, so I was an attendee, a regular attendee, let's say that. I only joined as a member later, the denomination. They said at the time, I believe, that they thought that there were multiple people

shooting at them, and didn't they pick that church because they thought that it would be a soft target? That's correct. In fact, the leader, L'Tlapang P'khlele, the commander of the attackers, said on a television interview with me—no, sorry, it was a newspaper interview and he said this was a terrorist attack in the true sense of what terrorism is about it was to instill fear in the whites in South Africa and so he was very clear about it and then he went further he introduced me to a friend of his at parliament and he said this is Charles van Beek who defended the people at the St. James Church massacre, and there we thought the church was a gun-free zone, but boy, did he have a surprise for us.

So, I mean, to say it, you know, just straight from the horse's mouth, he didn't mince his words, he didn't try to pretend it was something that it wasn't. He was very open about it. Wow. Wow. You know, when I look at this, it makes me think of David and Goliath. You know, he didn't have a sword. He had a slingshot with some stones. He had five of them.

I think Goliath had some brothers there. God can do amazing things. And certainly when we look at this and the way that God used you, you can see God's providence and care for a lot of people. I know a lot of people died. It was 11 people who were killed, 58 who were wounded, but it could have been many, many more. And God used you and confounded them with just the things that you were ordinarily doing. You know, well, I can't hit them from here, even though you had. And you crawl around the side and take some more shots.

They think they're under fire from multiple people. It truly is amazing to see how God used you to protect those people. Yeah, it was actually a real honor because, you know, under the circumstances, you know, I had one interviewer once ask me, were you scared? I said, of course I was scared. So he said, well, I would have piddled in the pew. But the idea is that when you have these circumstances, I had been trained in the Defence Force for the two years that I spoke about earlier. So we've been trained how to deal with chaos around us, grenades going off, lots of gun noise. And so I don't want to say, you know, once trained to keep your cool, to be able to think clearly under those circumstances

and to react appropriately. So by God's grace, I'd forced to be trained in that manner. And so, you know, you just did what your, your muscle memory and was trained to do. Well, you know, it was John Wayne who said, you know, courage is being scared, but saddling up anyway, you know, and that's, that's basically what you did. That's right. You know, if you don't, if you're not scared, you don't really have good situational awareness about what's going on so scared is one thing but you know having the courage to take it on is another thing instead of just hiding and we've seen that i was just going to say we've

seen that even with some police who have shown up unfortunately some of these school shootings like uvalde texas they showed up as massive number of police and they all were there with their stuff. They refused to go in and do anything about it. Finally, uh, some officers from, um, and I can't remember what it was. Is it border patrol or something like that? A SWAT team guys showed up, but I mean, they were there for so long doing nothing, uh, that you had parents who heard about it, who went to the school

and went into the school and got their kids out while this shooter hostage situation was still there. And so there was plenty of time for them to do something about it, but they didn't do it. So it's not just sometimes a response time for people to get there, but it's whether or not they're going to put their life at risk to try to protect other people. And that is a courageous thing to do. And that is something that you did. So what was your message in general? Tell us a little bit about your first book, and then we'll talk about Reloaded. Shooting Back, what did you want to get across to people?

Was it really about the fact they had a right and a duty, or how to do it, the necessity to do it? What was your core reason for writing that book? The book was written, David, to Christian men. So the idea was to give them the biblical, theological basis to own a firearm. And a firearm is just an instrument. So the idea is actually to defend the family. Whether you're going to use a baseball bat or a firearm is really irrelevant. The issue is, are you going to protect your family or not? So I want you to give Christian men a biblical basis to protect their families and to take it further and say to them, this is not just a right, you know, a God-given right, but this is something

you have to do. You have to protect your family. You actually don't have a choice as a god-given right but this is something you have to do you you have to protect your family you actually don't have a choice as a godly man so it's the right but you also have a duty a god-given duty to provide for your family and that includes the security of your family and we've seen all over africa gun-free zones are the most horrendous places. We've seen 700,000 people murdered in Rwanda that was a gun-free zone. I've done mission work or I do mission work in the Democratic Republic of the Congo, which wasn't democratic or republic, although things are getting much better now. But I've had my colleagues over there, they've had colleagues, pastors that have been buried alive by rebel soldiers. And I said to them, why didn't the deacons pull out their firearms and say to the rebels, go ahead, make our day?

And he said, well, we were completely disarmed. I said, well, who disarmed you? Was there a law passed in parliament? He said, no, it doesn't work like that in the Congo. The president just sends the army in and and they just go door to door, and they just disarm everybody. That's the way it's done. Wow.

And I said to him, you know, I showed him that if there were godly Christian men around with firearms, they could have stopped the pastor from being buried alive by the soldiers. And the accusation against the pastor by the rebel soldiers was that the prayers of the saints, the prayers of the church, were so powerful that it was changing the war in a negative direction against them. Now, I don't know about you, but I've never been accused of changing a wall by my prayers. But, you know, these guys are really hardcore prayer warriors, and the way the soldiers want to deal with them was to kill them and bury them alive. That's a pretty good commendation. I've heard some really amazing stories in third world countries like that of things

that have happened when people are praying. But that is a pretty good commendation. A horrible way to die, certainly. But it is. And, of course, this is in 1993. Earlier today, I was talking about Waco. And, you know, it was three months after Waco had happened, and everybody was still kicking that stuff around.

So the St. James Church massacre really didn't get that much attention here in America at the time, because we were looking at the aftermath of what happened with Waco just a couple of months earlier. Tell us a little bit, where are you now? Are you still in South Africa? Are you in the U.S.? Where do you live now? Yes, I'm in Cape Town, South Africa, so I still live here. My family's been here since the late 1600s. So we born and bred Africans and probably going to stay here for a very long time till the Lord takes me home, as they say. Yeah. Tell us what it's like now. What has it been like? Because I know there's

a lot of issues with taking the farmers, land the white farmers, and a lot of concern about that. I've talked to some people several times in the past who are living there. An incredible amount of violence being done to white farmers. So what is it now that they've had the truth and reconciliation and everything is just all, you know, flowers and roses for everybody, right? Well, that is not as it is. It's absolutely chaotic here, David. There's pandemonium. Things are falling to pieces.

But I just want to add quickly about not being in America, not visiting. Unfortunately, your government is protecting you still in America, not allowing us who are unvaccinated to visit yet. I know. No international guests are allowed to visit america so you've been very well you're very well protected from the rest of us in africa it's amazing i talked about this uh last week when you know they theoretically took off this emergency order it's like okay so then can uh the people in the uk were saying so now can we uh people those of us who are unvaccinated can we now go to america it's like. There's no other developed country that is doing this. It's a lot of third world tin pot dictators who are doing this.

But again, many of us who look at Biden see him as fitting into that mold. Well, I often say to people in the rest of Africa, you know, we in South Africa are following you. We will look like you very soon. So maybe in America, you're going to be looking like South Africa soon. But let me give you just a bit of background to your question. We've been plagued with just loads and loads of crises since Nelson Mandela's communist cadres have taken over the country. We have the murder of the pre-born, which Nelson Mandela introduced into South Africa. We have massive, massive unemployment, up to 50% and 60% in certain age groups. The poverty is devastating. We have insufficient electricity capacity in our country.

In fact, in the next 30 minutes, our electricity will be going off in the area we're in at the moment in this church building. We have contaminated water supplies. Sewer failures are happening. Disastrous public hospitals. We have rampant crime, as you've just mentioned. So there's literally, the society is literally crumbling around us. And the Mandela government that took over, they didn't just fail to maintain what they inherited. They actually caused major regression. And so we're going backwards in South Africa. Our real GDP has been shrinking since 2014. And we're about 10% poorer than we were in 2014 right now. 18 million people,

one third of our population is living below the poverty line. Mild nutrition is common. We plagued with the crime, looting, with vandalism and it's chaotic out there. In fact, two of my children have just flown off to Europe to go work there, and we're ecstatic about it. Praise the Lord, they've got jobs, and second of all, they're living in a society where they don't have to be concerned about leaving their home. And even at our home, my one son went running on a field one day,

and he was attacked there. We've had a grocery store that's been attacked down the road. I've had an elderly neighbor who saw burglars in a house and they tried to run over with their getaway car. Another neighbor was murdered. I can carry on and on. Another one was stabbed in the head. These are right in my area.

I'm talking about in my small little suburb that i live in of about 300 houses so the farmers you know they have a campaign of terrorism to try to drive them off of the farms and they're even more isolated than you are in the suburbs i've just heard horrific stories that's right about what is happening to the farm yeah you're 100 percent dave let me let me tell you a little bit about the farmers the the main challenge with the farm murders is the severity of the torture that takes place that accompanies these attacks. And it is horrendous. I'm talking about burning their victims with blow torches, using clothing irons and putting it on their bodies and burning women's breasts with clothing irons, pouring boiling kettle water onto people, onto their bodies, slitting their throats, drilling a hole through their skulls with an electric drill,

raping wives, and the men have to sit and they're forced to watch while the wives get raped. It is pandemonium, what's going on here. It is absolutely criminal. I mean, and then many of these people get off scot-free because the police system is in such shambles and such chaos that most of the people walk free. They don't even get caught and no justice is meted out. And of course, you know, even though apartheid was covered uh you know from front cover to back cover by the press all the time before nelson nelson mandela got in um after this beloved marxist took over and these things started happening complete silence here in america about all of this stuff that is happening i'm absolutely amazed and appalled whenever i talk

to somebody from south africa and we talk about how society has been deliberately destroyed there. And we see a little bit of, you know, kind of the leading edge of this in a lot of the big democratically controlled cities with Soros-appointed district attorneys where there is no punishment for people. They're encouraged, in a sense, to get violent. But that's just the very, very beginning of this. You are living through what if we don't stop this

and the big cities will become commonplace here in the U.S. And what I think that they really want to do in terms of reparations, I think that's where they want to take all this stuff. You said abortion, as we call it, the murder of children, that was made legal. It was illegal before the Marxists took over? Well, they had it in the special cases, but it's not just the Marxists. Nelson Mandela personally forced this through Parliament. So we don't have a democratic system in the sense of Western democracy the way you think about it. We elect a party, and on the percentage of the vote that they get,

that party gets that percentage of seats in parliament, and the party leaders appoint people to sit in those seats. So if any of the people that they've appointed as members of parliament in their seat disagree with the party or cause any trouble, they get thrown out of their seat disagree with the party or cause any trouble they get thrown out of their seat and they get uh replaced by somebody else so um so what mandela did was he called all these parliamentarians to a meeting and said to them you will all vote for abortion wow and uh you know try not to do it and we'll see what happens because he controlled the seats and so apparently

the catholics in the party didn't go to parliament on that day and they were fined for not being there but they didn't lose their seats and the rest followed they towed the line they would they did what they were told they didn't want to lose all the money they were making i mean the country's poor everything's going down the drain and they're getting fat salaries and living it up and uh driving nice cars and got government housing with electricity that works so yeah very um difficult circumstances uh for us with that kind of parliamentary system but that's the way it stands at the moment you know it is um uh to give you an idea of just how ignorant America is about what is happening there, when you had the indictment of Donald Trump, Marjorie Taylor Greene, this is a conservative Republican who is absolutely clueless about what she's talking about. She might as well compare him to Che Guevara or something,

right? Or perhaps Che Guevara might've been able to do the things that Nelson Mandela did, but he is celebrated as a hero by people outside of South Africa on both the left and the right. And it is profoundly ignorant for these people to be held up that way. You also created a civilian gun rights group as well, didn't you? Yes, I was involved with the group that we established called Gun Owners of South Africa.

And they are running full steam ahead i've got spent much more time in my ministry traveling to different countries south africa zambia congo cameroon doing mission work so i was part of the instigators to get the organization up and running and we've got some really really good people that are running at the moment and they're doing an absolutely wonderful job to let's call it, to preserve our privilege in South Africa to own a firearm. It's not a right according to our Constitution. So even although it's a God-given right, our Constitution seems to think they, or the Constitution creators think they could override God on this matter.

Darrell Bock Well, even though ours is recognized in the Declaration of Independence as a God-given right, and also in the Second Amendment, we have politicians who believe that it is a privilege that should be taken away on every occasion, and those are people in both parties who believe that. Tell us a little bit about the second book, Reloaded, and didn't that just come out recently? Yes, it's actually a few years old already, but I'll give you a bit of a background to that. I was at a course that we were running, a Christian mission course, and I had to go into town away from the place we were staying at to go and prepare a radio show. And I had a former terrorist. In fact, he was a former unit commander of the group that attacked our church in 1993 at the St. James Massacre.

And he had come to faith in Christ. And he said to me, please, can you drop me off in Kyalitsha, which is a very large, we call it a black township at the time. A very, very large area of grouping of people. There's probably one and a half million to two million people staying in the area. And he asked me if I could drop him off there. And I said, sure, jump in the car. I'll go drop you off, no problem. And as I dropped him off in Kailitsha, I got out of the vehicle as a pickup.

And we have like a canopy, a fiberglass canopy that you build over the back of your pickup. And so he was sitting in the flatbed of that you build over the back of your pickup. And so he was sitting in the flatbed of that with a canopy over. And he was shouting to me as I did a U-turn, telling me where I need to park. So I parked the car to drop him off. And I got out of the car to open up the canopy so that he could get out and grab his bags. And the next thing, there were two people standing behind me. I could sense them. And as I turned around, I saw these two characters. They both had guns. The one wasn't, I couldn't see his firearm at the time.

And the other one had his gun in his hand and he wasn't pointing it directly at me. It was just off to the, slightly to the side of me. And he said, I want your gun. I want your cell phone and i want your wallet uh very specific about what he wanted and could he say could he see your gun no no no he assumed so it looked like i'd been taken into a difficult situation there by the person in the back of the vehicle and these people seem to have been waiting there for me.

So it appeared to be an ambush. So I lied to him. I said I had no gun. And I handed over my wallet and my cell phone. And they body searched me. I kid you not, David, they body searched me and they didn't go down low enough to see my firearm in my ankle holster.

And so they were convinced that either I or my passenger was armed. And so after body searching me multiple times, they left me and they went to harass my elderly person that was with me in the car. He was sitting alone in the car at the time while I was out in the front of the single cab, Bucky, we call it a pickup. And they started bothering him and their body searching him. And they asked for his phone. He said, I don't have one. They asked for cash. He said, I don't have any. I'm going to do a radio show now. I'm not carrying cash and money and things with me. They said, give us your gun. He said, I don't have a gun. And so these two attackers, both with their guns in their hands now, were looking in the car opening up the the cabinets in the car searching everywhere body

searching him and this gave me time to then pull out my uh my uh gun and i went below the car window so they couldn't see me and i went to the front of the car and I shouted at them to distract them from bothering my, my oldly passenger. And I opened up fire at them and they, they were really good. They were running in a zigzag fashion to get away from me. So they,

they were well-trained. They knew exactly what they were doing, but to my surprise, this is a shanty town where I dropped them off. And the next thing, they had had a sentry standing around amongst the metal housing there. And he opened a fire at me. So they had a sentry protecting them. So this was a fully organized crime that was taking place right over there.

So I had to duck and avoid bullets that were coming straight from me from a distance between the housing, the metal, the little metal housing there. And jumped in the vehicle and we drove off and went to a police station to report the incident. So that's why the second book is called reloaded and then shooting back again it's not the first time this is uh it happened again so that's the background to the the writing of the second book wow and you said you thought that maybe it was an ambush the elderly passengers you had there who is now a christian he wasn't a part of that was he or do you think perhaps no not at all my the not the old the passenger that was with me that their body searching not

him uh i need the person i need the person in the flatbed at the back so um yeah so the person who asked me to please drop him off in the area he's the one that uh oh i got you but there were two passengers i didn't catch that so there's's a, you're Yeah, sorry. One in the back. The guy in the back was the one that was That's right. He's the one shouting, telling me where to park and that sort of thing. So that's what happened there. But one of the interesting stories, if you don't mind, I'd just like to tell you one of the quick stories about a farm attack that I mentioned in my book. It's actually a lady in South Africa called Silke Kaiser. She mentions this in her book

about farm murder she's a polygraphist and so she goes to the farms and interviews the farm laborers and that after a farm murder or farm attack has taken place but she tells the story of a man with the name of john a farmer him and his wife living on a farm alone he gets up three o'clock in the morning to attend his chickens every morning and he takes two staff members with him in to go deal with the chickens in the morning. He doesn't carry his gun in the morning. He thought if anybody wants to steal chickens or eggs, they can take it. He's not going to kill somebody over a chicken or an egg. So off they go into the chicken coops and the next thing him and his two staff members are

costed by four gunmen they take the two farm workers and they tie them up and two of the attackers remain there with the two victims and the other two take john into the farmhouse into the kitchen and they tell john to call his wife, Elise. So he shouts her name. She's still busy sleeping in bed. And he wakes her up. And they're an Afrikaans-speaking farming couple, but he used an English word. He called her Lavi. And what everybody didn't know was that Lavi was a pre-agreed password for alerting their spouse to there being trouble on the farm so here the two bad guys are with a farmer in the middle they're both on his side they're both standing with guns and they step into the passage uh and stand by

what we call in south Africa the rape gate. So many of us have security gates inside our homes, not just outside, inside our homes, that closes off our bedrooms from the rest of the house. In other words, if people break into our lounge and they steal our TV, they can take it at night, but we don't want them to come into our bedrooms and accost our family. So he and these criminals were standing by the rape gate

and Lavi, Elise, comes out of the bedroom. She's armed and they were expecting her to give in straight away when they saw, when she would see the guns being pointed at her husband. But what they didn't know that Elise was an expert shot. She had grown up with guns. She had grown up with guns. She had grown up with guns and not just that. She'd worked for a shooting range for 15 years. She trained other people how to shoot.

Wow. So she emerges from the bedroom with this carrying a loaded firearm. She takes a shot at the first perpetrator and hits him twice in the chest. Both bullets just narrowly miss his heart. Then she moved the gun slightly to the right, and she shot the second thug in the head and killed him instantly. Wow. So the first thug tried to run out, trying to breathe.

His lungs were damaged by the bullets. He got out of the door, and they found his corpse later under a bush outside. The one attacker had already committed two other farm attacks. He hadn't murdered anybody yet, but his speciality was torturing his victims. They obviously cleaned up that evening and the other two accomplices that had held the farm workers down, they fled the scene very cleverly. So this is one of the attacks that didn't work out for the bad guys.

And praise God that these were not pacifist Christian farmers who believed that they make the the environment safer for the bad guys to operate and praise god that elise was was ready and armed and that she could shoot straight yes well that is an amazing story what is the yeah you're there in south africa you said you're always you're going to be there the rest of your life what is i understand because i've talked to other people who said nope we're staying we're not leaving and uh but what what is i understand because i've talked to other people who said nope we're staying we're not leaving and uh but what what is the hope that you have how do you see this happening i mean are you in a mutual community of self-defense and you know that you're under siege by this large majority is there ever you know is there a hope or a plan that you're somehow going to restore

some kind of uh an ordered republic there and a rational you're somehow going to restore some kind of an ordered republic there and a rational government that's going to keep peace and order? What is it that you see in the future there? Yes, I believe strongly in that the gospel of the kingdom of God is what changes hearts and minds of people, and if I didn't believe that, I wouldn't be a Christian missionary. So I've seen that happen in nations. I've seen people that have come to faith in Christ. They've submitted not just their personal lives, it's affected their family lives, it's affected their churches, it's affected their businesses, and it's affected their countries. And we've seen nations changing because of people turning to God and obeying his word and his law. And I believe that that will happen in the future.

Maybe not, maybe in the next generation, maybe I won't see it. But there's a scripture in the Bible that says that the earth will be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the Lord as the waters cover the sea. So I think we're fighting a winning battle. We're not going to give up. We're going to carry on. And if the only thing I do is be a splinter in the fingers of the bad guys, then I'm happy to carry on doing that as we preach the gospel and disciple the nations. That's a great witness. And you know, it's great to hear that. You have such confidence,

and it is well-placed confidence in the power of the gospel to not just change individual lives, but to completely reorder society. And we have seen that throughout history. And so it is so good to hear somebody who is living their faith and knows that they have the only power that is going to be there to transform society. That's great to hear. I interviewed someone who was now doing the work here in America, and it was in Zimbabwe where there was a farmer who came up with a method. He said there was three different ways that people could do it. They could run away. They could fight.

He said the people who fought died for the most part, trying to resist the takeover of the Marxists in Zimbabwe. He said though he lost his farm, he taught them how to farm. And as part of that, he used that as an opportunity to give them the gospel and to change lives in the community. And what you're doing is exactly the same thing. And it is great. Sorry?

We're busy building a mission base in Zimbabwe right now in an area called Guay River. It is very difficult. The people are really poor. They're struggling for their lives. And Zimbabwe is moving towards an election this year. And so things get really dangerous now. So if American listeners can please pray for Zimbabwe, we'd really appreciate that. Sure, absolutely. Do you have a missionary site that you'd like to tell people about? Yes, my website, or shall I say my blog you can get to is shootingbackbook.com. Shootingbackbook.com, you'll get to my blog there and you can purchase the books from there and that sort of thing. And then as you spelt out my name earlier, it's a bit complicated, but you're able to find your way around if you get my name at the blog.

Okay, good. So it is shootingbackbook.com. Is that correct? That's correct. That's correct, David. Thank you. All right. And I'll put that in the interview there.

I'll have a link to that. That's a lot easier than your name is for people. I was somehow able to find you on that website. It had been years since we had talked. And of course, I guess people can find your book on Amazon, but it'd be better to go directly to you because Amazon takes a big kick and we don't like the things that Amazon does with all the money that they do is a good thing about that. I think they're going to be taken to Amazon anyway through my site. Okay. All right. So shootingbackbook.com will take you there. And again, the missionary group, is there a website that you want to tell people about with that? Yeah, they'll, they'll get

to my mission work also from the same site. So it's charlesvanwick.info, not pronounced that way, but the way it's spelled charles van wick.info and then shootingback.com and they'll be able to find my ministry and about my books on those sites well it is always a pleasure to talk to you it truly is amazing uh where god has put you and the way that he is using you and you are an example to so many people and also a warning, a harbinger to what may be coming to this country. If we're going to allow the radical Marxists to use race as a weapon, we know that in America, this has been the tactic that they have found more effective. It was Bill Ayers and the Weather Underground who said at the very beginning when they were trying to create a Marxist-Communist revolution here in America and they were bombing buildings and doing other things like that,

they realized that it wasn't going to happen by dividing people economically into different economic classes in America, but they could do it by dividing people racially. And so they stopped bombing buildings and they went into education and now the white-skin privilege that they were setting there has now become one of the fundamental things. But it is also everything that we see happening throughout the educational system. It is a plan to take everything down. It is great always again to talk to you, Charl.

And thank you so much for coming on and telling us about that. Again, the book is shoot. You'll find the website with the book links to the book as well as to the missions there. If you want to help them in Zimbabwe shooting back book.com. And, uh,

I know that you're going to have a big, we've already had a big impact on a lot of people's lives. Uh, thank you very much. And, eternal, uh, things are going to happen as well.

Thank you so much. David, it's been a happen as well. Thank you so much, Cheryl. David, it's been a privilege being on your show. Keep up the good work, and thank you very much for having me. Thank you. Thank you. All right, folks, that is a show for today. That is quite a testimony, quite a life that Cheryl has had, and it is an inspiration to us as well as a warning to us that we have

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