The David Knight Show - 24Jan24 Border Fight: Texas Says They Will Defy SCOTUS Decision to Allow Invasion

Episode Date: January 24, 2024

(2:00) Texas officials say they will stand with Americans AGAINST the Biden-vasion and SCOTUS. Who is right? (20:40) German government can't get recruits for military (like the USA) and say they will... bring in non-Germans because, after all, they're moving to an EU ARMY (wasn't that a conspiracy "theory"?) (33:40) Now Nikki will move on to the voters of the bigoted, white supremacist, racist, state of South Carolina that she just played the race card against even though they elected her twice (39:45) On the Democrat side, NH's primary is VERY weird since Biden decided he'd change the order of states voting (43:54) A question for candidates: "Will you lock us down again?" (46:25) Trump promises "maybe" an "Iron Dome" for USA, you know, like the one Israel has. Will it only protect his "Freedom Cities"? Will it protect us from World War 3 as he said or are there other things he could do that would be far simpler, cheaper, easier to stop WW3? (54:59) Uh-oh. Democrats encrypted and deleted over 100 documents regarding Jan6 but now they've been recovered? A crime? (1:18:19) Mainstream Media begins crafting the "cashless society" narrative, casting the "unbanked" & "underbanked" as victims. What about people who are "debanked", kicked out of the system for being a dissident? (1:12:23) Manhattan DA, Alvin Bragg, grabs media spotlight again, this time claiming that electronic payment systems are vulnerable to fraud (while ignoring credit cards) (1:22:45) EU moves to end ALL anonymous payments (just as Nikki demands to know your name on the internet) (1:31:27) How do we oppose CBDC? Individually? Collectively? ...because things are accelerating as we approach the end of the 4th Turning we've been in for 15 years (1:53:28) Beyond Bank of America snitching around Jan6, government demanded to know about "religious texts" or political terms. This is what Geospatial Intel has always been created for (1:57:14) At the March for Life, a story of one woman's abortion regret, forgiveness, and healing (2:04:07) INTERVIEW Prohibiting Private Cultivation of Food and Scattering the Sheep, the Closing of the American Church in 2020 Property confiscated without trial or conviction, asserting that growing food for private consumption and not public sale is prohibited. Chris Hume, Managing Editor of The Lancaster Patriot, reports on why Pennsylvania is going after Amish farmer, Amos Miller. Then, Chris talks about his new book "Scattering the Sheep" the closing of the American church in 2020, and his book "Vote Christian: Biblical Principles for Voting" (2:55:20) Schwarzenegger on a Watch List, Furies, and Video Games for College Credit "One of the best" universities has a college course about video games — and it's not about creating them or even winning. Bill introduced to remove "furries" from school using animal control. And Arnold Schwarzenegger gets stopped at the airport as he's on his way to donate something to a ludicrous charity he founded Find out more about the show and where you can watch it at TheDavidKnightShow.comIf you would like to support the show and our family please consider subscribing monthly here: SubscribeStar https://www.subscribestar.com/the-david-knight-showOr you can send a donation throughMail: David Knight POB 994 Kodak, TN 37764Zelle: @DavidKnightShow@protonmail.comCash App at: $davidknightshowBTC to: bc1qkuec29hkuye4xse9unh7nptvu3y9qmv24vanh7Money is only what YOU hold: Go to DavidKnight.gold for great deals on physical gold/silverFor 10% off Gerald Celente's prescient Trends Journal, go to TrendsJournal.com and enter the code KNIGHTBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-david-knight-show--2653468/support.

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Starting point is 00:02:19 Something of a surprise when the Supreme Court said, no, the federal government can destroy any protection on the border because, you know, we want an open border and an invasion. But even more surprising is that people in Texas have had it with federal interference with them facilitating invasion that they're saying, we're not going to obey this order and we're off and maybe the civil war will begin over this but let it begin over our rights and not over some phony politician we'll also talk a great deal about cbdc we have as our guest today chris hume who has been on the spot in lancaster county talking about the amish farmer amos miller how the USDA and especially the state of Pennsylvania has been coming after him. And he has a book, Scattering the Sheep, talking about how Christian pastors should have reacted to the lockdown orders.
Starting point is 00:03:23 Well, when we look at the border, as I said, it truly is amazing. And when I saw this pushback, well, first, let's begin with what the Babylon is out there, because it really is an encapsulation of the Biden administration. Travis, pull up the title and show people the picture of the Supreme Court rules. Texas must replace barbed wire with a giant red carpet. That's essentially what they want to do. Take down the wall, come through one of the doors, right? Of course, you know, we got a really, really big door and a really, really small wall at the border everywhere. As Babylon Bee says, how will migrants be able to get into the country
Starting point is 00:04:03 if there's barbed wire in the way, said a visibly confused Justice Sotomayor? They might get hurt. I think an elegant red carpet makes much more sense. It's soft, it's red, and it can point the way to the gaps in our border. It can make new migrants feel welcome. I think it says that in the constitution somewhere unfortunately we are not that far away from the bablin b and all of this uh they go on to say at publishing time texas governor abbott had desperately attempted to deter migrants by lining the red carpet with bear traps. Well, he's taking a different approach,
Starting point is 00:04:49 but equally ridiculous is Lala Harris. Now, that was the Babylon Bee, imagining the Supreme Court saying, well, I don't think we need a fence or barbed wire. I think what we need is a red carpet. Well, Lala Harris is essentially doing that. I think after her career as a vice president, she should start her own satire site. For her, she could pretend she's doing news commentary. But for everybody else, it would be just satire.
Starting point is 00:05:15 And she could call it the Lala Bee. She is in Lala land. Lala Harris says the solution to immigration is a path to citizenship and effective processing. In other words, she's saying roll out the red carpet. They can't quite get ahead of the insanity, can they? That's how crazy our government is here. So it's not a solution to immigration. We're not against immigration.
Starting point is 00:05:42 We're against an invasion. And that's what's happening now. That's what they've organized. Mass chaos not against immigration. We're against an invasion. And that's what's happening now. That's what they've organized. Mass chaos, mass confusion, very dangerous with people coming across. We don't know who's coming across. It doesn't serve anybody's interests except for the globalists and the elitists who want to destroy this country. That's the only people being helped by it. Americans are not being helped by it. Foreign citizens are not being helped by it. Foreign citizens are not being helped by it. All these people who say, well, we want to go back to Ellis Island and give me your poor, your tired, your huddled masses and so forth.
Starting point is 00:06:13 Yeah, they were poor and they came here and there wasn't a welfare net. They came here. Why? Because they were yearning to be free. Now these people are coming because they want free stuff. And we not only have a big red carpet, but we got a big welfare magnet pulling them in, pulling them through the fence, over the fence, under the fence, around the fence, because the fence isn't that long. And so I guess when we look at this, I've said before, why didn't the Germans think of this when they invaded Britain?
Starting point is 00:06:47 Could have saved themselves a lot of trouble and expense. They should have just gotten in boats and immigrated, like people are doing in Italy from Northern Africa and many other countries. They should have just gotten into boats and done that. And shame on the Brits for saying no you you're a german citizen you you don't you don't support our country you are adversarial to our country and the germans will say well i'm here i think you need to give me health care and housing and all the rest of this stuff so she said um when she was on c, there is no question, said Lala, that our immigration system is broken. Well, there you go.
Starting point is 00:07:30 So much so that we, as the first bill that we offered after our inauguration, was to fix the immigration system. See, it was Trump who broke it and they fixed it, according to her, which included what we must do to create a path for citizenship and to put resources that are needed into the border. The solutions are at hand, she said. But then Laura Coates on CNN really was confused. She said, but what are those solutions? And then Lala says the solution includes putting resources at the border to do what we can to process people effectively and putting in place laws that actually allow for a meaningful pathway to citizenship. That's right. No limits whatsoever.
Starting point is 00:08:17 Anybody coming in. Just as we see in Italy, that one small island where they had 6,000 Italians who'd been living there for a long time. They had housing for 6,000 Italians. They had a community that worked for that. All of a sudden, in a short period of time, this community of 6,000 gets 18,000 immigrants, mostly single young men. What is going on? We all know this is an invasion.
Starting point is 00:08:42 We all know that this is yet another tactic by the globalist elite to destroy our countries. And so Texas is vowing to defend its sovereignty. That is a surprising thing. And I've always said that this is the proper response to Roe v. Wade 51 years ago. They just had a Supreme Court decision, which is absolute nonsense. But no more nonsense than Roe v. Wade was. First of all, what right does the federal government have to decide when life begins? And that includes an elected federal government, not just the Supreme Court. That includes the president.
Starting point is 00:09:16 That includes the Congress. And all these candidates are out there saying, well, I'm going to set a law that's going to have this as the number of weeks when we can start killing kids. And so Biden has got the same solution as Trump. They're just haggling over when they can kill kids at what stage. But again, they all want to federalize it. And you've got a lot of so-called pro-life organizations that want to federalize this as well. And you understand where this is headed. But the proper response to Roe v. Wadeade that was a case that came out of texas the proper response would have been the same one that
Starting point is 00:09:50 andrew jackson had to the supreme court he said they've issued their decision let's see them enforce it all of the last 50 some odd years everybody just repeated the mantra, well, Roe v. Wade is the law of the land. No, it isn't. The Supreme Court doesn't make law. And of course, now we see they don't follow it either, neither the law nor the Constitution. But they don't make law. And Roe v. Wade wasn't the law of the land. Isn't that interesting how that shattered that lie that dobbs decision and um i said the supreme court reverses itself all the time and i gave examples of how the woodrow wilson administration locked up a guy because they didn't like his movie went against their propaganda for world war one and the supreme court said film doesn't have any first amendment protections and stayed that way
Starting point is 00:10:43 until the 1950s. In Andrew Jackson's time, the Supreme Court reversed itself within one year, the same court. First, they said, you can remove the Cherokee from Tennessee and from North Carolina. They can move them out to Oklahoma or whatever. The Trail of Tears is so bad that the supreme court reversed itself in a year they said this is a horror you know what is happening with this is horrible uh but but the reality was even though
Starting point is 00:11:11 it was a horrible policy by andrew jackson he had the legal right to do it and they had absolutely no power to stop him from doing it under the constitution that's why we divide power that way and so the appropriate response to Roe v. Wade, which would have saved over 60 million lives, would have been, you've made your decision. Let's see you enforce it. We're not going to pay any attention to that. And finally, we're getting that again.
Starting point is 00:11:38 Have they been emboldened by the Dobbs decision, which essentially resurrected the 10th Amendment. Or is this political? Is it political posturing? I mean, is Abbott laying the groundwork to run for president or something like that? Certainly, there's a lot of political maneuvering by the Attorney General there, Ken Paxton. Regardless of what their motivations are, these are the right actions. And so again, you know, we can look at it. I'm,
Starting point is 00:12:05 I'm okay. If somebody does the right thing, even for the wrong reason. So Texas attorney general Ken Paxson vowed to defend the sovereignty of the state of Texas. And, uh, so he argued that, uh, Texas was, uh, the, the argument from the Supreme court, rather, as I pointed out yesterday was that, uh, they were stopping the border patrol from doing their duty and the new american says well that duty last time we checked was to keep illegals from entering the country the supreme court said paxton their temporary order allows biden to continue his illegal effort to aid the foreign immigration of America. And he said the destruction of Texas's border barriers will not help to enforce the law.
Starting point is 00:12:50 It will not keep American citizens safe. This fight is not over. And I look forward to defending our state's sovereignty. And that's absolutely right. They need to interpose on behalf of Americans. If the federal government is violating the constitution, if they're violating people's rights, then the state government should interpose.
Starting point is 00:13:09 Same as if the state government is doing it, the federal government should interpose, or local officials or whatever. That's why we have a divided government. That's why we don't have a top-down government. And, of course, all these people have sworn to uphold the Constitution, have sworn to enforce the laws, but Obama didn't do that with DACA, did he? He said, no, we're not going to enforce the law.
Starting point is 00:13:35 And here's my executive order to say we're not going to enforce immigration law. They called it DACA. In October 2023, Paxton sued the Biden administration for destroying concertina wire fixing that Texas had deployed to reduce the record-breaking influx of illegal immigration. Texas quickly secured an emergency restraining order from a federal judge that ordered the administration's actions were likely unlawful she later declined to grant the state's request for a temporary injunction pending trial i'm sure that her political career had nothing to do with it right because let's understand the judges do understand that they have a political career. They get political appointments. And so Attorney General Paxson then appealed to the U.S. Court of Appeals on the Fifth Circuit, and he got an administrative stay. So a federal judge and then the Fifth Circuit appeals, both of them said to the Biden administration,
Starting point is 00:14:39 stop doing it. And of course, common sense tells us that. But evidently, Roberts and Amy Coney Barrett don't have any common sense or regard for the welfare of the people of this country or the Constitution or the law. And of course, Amy was appointed by Trump. CNN Supreme Court analyst said, whatever one thinks of current immigration policy, it ought not to be that controversial that states cannot prevent the federal government from enforcing federal law.
Starting point is 00:15:17 That's not what's happening. They're trying to enforce the law that the federal government will not enforce. See, CNN analyst sets this thing up and it's like T-ball. Look at this. I hit it a long way. And it's like, well, that wasn't an honest pitch, was it? Lest we set the stage for democratic led states to similarly attempt to frustrate the enforcement of federal policies by Republican presidents.
Starting point is 00:15:47 Oh, they're talking about a precedent here. When do they ever talk about that? I mean, we get locked down by executive orders, or we get vaccine mandates, and all the rest of it. When do they ever talk about a precedent? But, you know, oh, we better be careful. Democrat states will do this to the Republican president and so forth. Well, good.
Starting point is 00:16:06 As a matter of fact, the Democrat states have already done this to the Republican president and so forth. Well, good. As a matter of fact, the Democrat states have already done this to the Republican president with their nullification of marijuana prohibition, which has no legal or constitutional basis. Anyway, Texas will not back down, says Abbott. And reportedly, and there's pictures of the people there, looks like they're installing more razor wire and so he posted on x on twitter he said the texas national guard continues to hold the line and eagle pass texas will not back down from our efforts to secure the border in biden's absence elon musk responded and said good because he also understands that um this will destroy the country and that is the design that is to destroy the country uh he also had representative clay higgins
Starting point is 00:16:55 also slammed the supreme court writing on x he said the feds are staging a civil war and texas should stand their ground you know we it's very briefly talked about this last night i was on late last night up to one o'clock my time so i'm a little bit tired today i hope it doesn't come across that way but um i went on with uh clyde lewis as ground zero for a couple hours last night and we were talking really about the world economic forum and you know trans Forum and transhumanism and all the different things that they're trying to do and how we stop it and that type of thing. Well, Clyde, we touched on civil war. It came up just briefly, and he said,
Starting point is 00:17:36 look at what's happening at the border. He says, I've lived in other countries, Central and South America. He says, I've seen how this can touch off a civil war when you've got different jurisdictions fighting each other. And that's true. But it remains to be seen if, you know, exactly what is going to happen. There's a lot of people on the Border Patrol that really don't like the orders that they've been given by Biden. It'll be interesting to see if they want to get physically involved. I'm sure there's some who are really on board with all this and want the borders to be open.
Starting point is 00:18:10 But the reality is, is that, you know, this is something that could be a flashpoint of violence. But for the most part, what we're talking about in trying to prevent a civil war is to nullify. And I think it's really key. It's going to be very key for people like Ken Paxton, people like Chip Roy, who's talking about this to make the case that they're nullifying an unconstitutional order and they're doing it under the legal authority of a separation of powers. So they're the ones who are supporting the law. They're the ones who are supporting the constitution. And there is a separation of power. And we don't have a supremacy clause, as I pointed out yesterday.
Starting point is 00:18:51 It started trending on Twitter. All these progressives said, why is this even a question for the Supreme Court? And why would it even be close with a 5-4 decision? Shouldn't this be covered by the supremacy clause? As I played yesterday, Michael Meharry from the Tenth Amendment Center, he said, well, supremacy clause says pursuant, you know, they have supremacy pursuant to the Constitution, the laws of the land. So it doesn't apply here. Chip Roy says Texas should ignore the Supreme Court's border razor wire ruling. He said they have a duty under the constitution and every other norm of leadership of
Starting point is 00:19:27 any sovereign state to protect your citizens period. Full stop. He's making a great argument. He's absolutely right. He says, there is no exception to that. He said on Fox news, he said,
Starting point is 00:19:40 and so if the Supreme court wants to ignore that truth, which a slim majority did, Texas still has the duty. Texas leaders still have the duty to defend our people. And he called the opinion from the court. He said it was unconscionable. He called for the state to ignore it in a post online. He says, it's like if somebody is breaking into your house and the court says, oh, sorry, you can't defend yourself. Well, what do you tell the court?
Starting point is 00:20:07 You tell them to get lost. And you defend yourself. And then you figure it out later. Right? Yeah, this is self-defense. We're at this point now. Because this is like a house invasion. It's a nation invasion.
Starting point is 00:20:22 It's an invasion of the state. Another commenter on X said the logical concern should be why the federal government continues to hinder Texas's ability to protect its border, all the while allowing for the exploitation, dangerous, and inhumane methods of permitting illegal immigrants, including children, to illegally cross a dangerous river where many have lost their lives. Texas is the only state using every strategy and resource to protect its sovereignty, to combat criminal activity, and to discourage illegal immigration.
Starting point is 00:20:58 And again, as I said, Greg Abbott says, the Texas National Guard continues to hold the line in Eagle Pass. Texas will not back down from our efforts to secure the border. And Biden's absence is absence. So, again, they're not going to give up on this. And a spokesperson for Abbott said the Biden administration has repeatedly cut wire that Texas installed to stop illegal crossings, opening the floodgates to illegal immigrants. This case is ongoing and Governor Abbott will continue fighting to defend biden to continue his illegal efforts to aid the foreign invasion of america and again they should nullify that uh so how is this playing out around
Starting point is 00:21:57 the world of course uh there's uh i didn't cover it but but there was a report about what has happened to the U.S. military in this last couple of years. And how white people are no longer signing up for it. I mean, it has dropped almost in half. I think it's like 40% drop in white enrollment. And that's really where they're losing it in terms of their enlistment. And so they're talking about, well, we need to turn to foreigners who are coming in. Isn't it convenient that the vast number of people coming in are young military age? Maybe Biden and Soros will deputize MS-13, you know, give them in the army.
Starting point is 00:22:40 But that's not just here. This is a global agenda. It's just like the so-called pandemic and all the rest of the stuff, the vaccine stuff. It is a global agenda, the global idea and all the rest of this in Germany. Uh, they're saying, well, you know, we're going to have to put some of these foreign citizens who are coming into our country illegally. We need to put them into the army and let them rule over us. This is insane.
Starting point is 00:23:03 This is a suicide of the West. And this is what Biden is trying to do. And so the proposal to let foreign citizens serve in the German army is under consideration by Berlin. If approved, it will allow the Bundeswehr to build strength on the back of a recent announcement that conscription could return as the prospect of a grand European army looms on the high horizon.
Starting point is 00:23:29 As I said, I'm kind of tired today. Look, I think what was happening in the U.S. military, all the absurdity, the marching in red high heels, and all of the discrimination, the hatred that was exhibited by people in the military. And then tack on at the very end, let's get anybody who's got a conscience, anybody who cares about the Constitution are going to be offended by the vaccine mandates. Let's get them out as well. And so the enlistment of white Americans in the army has plummeted, and it's by design. And the way you spell design is D-E-I.
Starting point is 00:24:11 Forget the rest of the letters. That's their design to push people out. Now, when you look at what is happening in the German military, you have a member of the Free democratic party that is chairing the defense committee her name is marie agnes strach zimmerman and she says uh we need to think a little bit bolder and a little bit more a little bit bigger and a little bit more european in other words the german army you shouldn't have germans in. It should just be kind of, you know, European. And if you get into Europe, regardless of where you came from, you are now European.
Starting point is 00:24:51 We'll just anoint you right there. And so we don't care about any of this stuff. She said, we're already working toward the goal of having a European army in the long term. Do you remember? It was in 2000. Was it 2015, 2016? I don't know. It was the middle of the long term. Do you remember? It was in 2000. Was it 2015, 2016? I don't know. It was the middle of the Trump campaign.
Starting point is 00:25:09 I think it's 2016 that Brexit was being discussed. And I remember very distinctly Boris Johnson. This is before Boris Johnson showed himself to be a Benedict Arnoldict arnold uh with um everything that he did but he was prime minister and he's this he was still bombasting and everything but he had an interesting point and i i did a report about it he said here are the reasons and he gave like a half dozen reasons or something that uh britain should leave the european union you know it's things like they're telling us we can't fish in our own waters that we fished in for a thousand years.
Starting point is 00:25:46 And they're doing this and they're doing that. And we're sending them a bunch of money and they're not sending the money back to us. And I said, and I went down every one of those points that he made. I remember he was sitting in a limousine as he did it. He's now a limousine liberal. But he's sitting in a limousine.
Starting point is 00:26:01 He's ticking these things off and I stopped him. And I said, okay, let's talk about it in Texas's terms, right? Let's talk about Texas instead of Brexit. And every one of those things, every one of the things, the gripes that he had about how the European Union was ruling over Britain and shutting everything down that they should be able to do. Every one of those things was far, far worse when you compared Texas to the federal government. Texas was sending more money to the federal government. Texas was getting back a lesser percentage of money from them, and on and on, you know, and they were outlawing
Starting point is 00:26:38 a lot of different things that we wanted to do. So as all of that was folding out, and I was very much on board, supportive of Brexit, still am. I think people need to, you know, we need to do exactly the opposite of what they wanted. They want to consolidate everything into a world government. Let's strengthen the sovereignty and the personal connections and the community connections and the cultural connections and the community connections, and the cultural connections, and the language connections. Europe used to have a rich tapestry of different cultures, different music, different architecture, and all the rest of this stuff. These people are graying it down.
Starting point is 00:27:14 And when I look at what they want to put in, it's a very gray, homogenized, culturalist society. The art of the 20th century, the things that were being pushed by the CIA here in the United States, the ugly architecture, brutalist architecture is what they called it. And it really does look like something out of the Soviet Union. Raw concrete buildings. It's the kind of stuff that the University of South Florida, where I went, it was built in the middle of the 20th century. And everything there was this brutalist architecture. It just looks Stalinist to me. It is actually the fault of communists. A bunch
Starting point is 00:27:52 of communists fled Hitler's Germany and they were immediately accepted into academia here because they're like, well, if Hitler doesn't like him, they got to be good guys. But no, they were actually communists. Same type of thinking we've got with Republicans and Democrats. You got to use steel and glass. That's the reason you see the yale box skyscrapers everywhere yeah and and you know about that very well travis because you know he's the one that showed me he said look at what roger scrutin is talking about uh you know the the loss of beauty and and how we've gotten into this brutalist stuff there was a really great article on a website called Aristocrats of the Soul, but the website's defunct and the article's gone.
Starting point is 00:28:29 Yeah, yeah, yeah, flushed down the memory hole. Maybe Google got offended and they flushed them down the memory hole like Jason Barker. As a matter of fact, Tony Arterman is having problems with Google as well. And so he's not going to be on tomorrow. He's going to be on Friday. But, you know, slightly different. But Google is starting to pull the reins in now.
Starting point is 00:28:49 They got the strings out there attached to everybody, the tentacles into all of our lives. And they're starting to pull these strings and bring this stuff in now. But getting back to the Brexit thing and the European army, and that's the reason I brought up all the brexit stuff as that was going one of the things that people were saying and it's nigel farage says you know they're they're going to create a european army uh to control us and everybody just oh you're crazy it's that's a conspiracy theory and immediately after brexit they made public the
Starting point is 00:29:21 plans and here they are bragging about the fact we don't even need to think, the German politicians are saying we don't need a German army. We need to think of ourselves as Europeans, and we need to have a European army. And oh, by the way, the people that are going to put in the European army are not Europeans. This is the Fourth Reich. When we look at the world economic Forum, again, why economic, right? Because the Germans had tried and failed militarily to take over Sievert.
Starting point is 00:29:54 And so now they can do it subtly. They can do it iteratively. They can do it economically. And that's what this is really about. You know, a forum, we typically think about a forum as just discussions, and they do have their discussions, but it is much more than discussions. In the same way that the Roman forum was much more than just people getting together and talking or debating certain ideas. The Roman forum was at the very center of Rome,
Starting point is 00:30:23 the very center of the Roman empire. It was the epicenter of, Rome, the very center of the Roman Empire. It was the epicenter of, you know, the center of the center. And that's what these people want to do with themselves. And so how did they get there? They get there by destroying our culture. They get there by destroying all the things that unite us together as groups. And it's not to say that we can't cooperate with each other. We can still have separate cultures and other things like that,
Starting point is 00:30:49 and we can still have cooperation between those, peaceful cooperation. But they have sold this idea that the only way that we can have peace is if we have a global governance. Well, that is the peace of slavery, of homogeneity, of monotony. We don't want any of that stuff. It is disgusting. You know, Michael Savage talks about borders, language, and culture. And that really, I don't know if he took it from the Bible,
Starting point is 00:31:20 but that's the way the Bible describes it. So, you know, we've got people of different skin color, and we need to segregate everybody based on melanin, you know, content and everything. It doesn't say that. The Bible talks about nations, tongues, and tribes. And that is essentially borders, language, and culture. And these people want to shut all that down.
Starting point is 00:31:41 And so this politician says, we're already working towards the goal of having a European army in the long term. That's fine. In the long term, if you think in a European way, it can no longer matter what nationality a soldier has within this European framework. They want to shut down the framework reference points of everything. Yes, the nations will continue. That's one of the things we talked about last night.
Starting point is 00:32:10 The nations will continue. I've said this as well. They will still be there, just like the states are all still there after the Civil War, but there has been this real change in terms of structure and of power and of consolidation. And they're there to provide a sense of continuity in the same way that the occupying feds named the bases after Civil War generals. And now they're removing that because they're ready to go into the next Civil War.
Starting point is 00:32:43 The German government has set a goal for the Bundeswehr to be war ready in eight years. Well, there you go. Eight years. Well, these guys are right on top of it, aren't they?
Starting point is 00:32:53 Whatever happened to the minute men? These are, these are going to be the eight year men. Oh, I'm sorry. They're not men. Uh, they're going to be something else.
Starting point is 00:33:02 Women are transgenders. I imagine is what's going to be there. We're going to go a quick break and we'll be something else. Women or transgenders, I imagine, is what's going to be there. We're going to take a quick break, and we'll be right back. Elvis. Ladies and gentlemen, the Beatles. And the sweet sounds of Motown. Find them on the Oldies channel at APSradio.com. 🎵 ¶¶ © BF-WATCH TV 2021 Liberty. It's your move. And now, The David Knight Show. In the misty morning fog with all our hearts a-thumping,
Starting point is 00:35:10 you, my brown-eyed girl. You, my brown-eyed girl. Yeah, another brown-eyed girl who was playing the race card yesterday. Now gets to go to her home state of South Carolina and try to make the case to the people that she just accused of being hateful, racist, bigoted, deep South Southerners. She has the opportunity to try to convince those people to vote for her yet again. The question is, will they, or will she suffer the rightfully deserved humiliating loss in South Carolina? Well, the results of the New Hampshire primary are in, uh, 91% of them were in this morning when I looked at just before the show, 91% of the vote was in and uh trump had a 12 point lead 55 to 43 over nuki haley
Starting point is 00:36:08 uh what i what a sham that this is what our choices have come down to do you like hitler or stahl how about mal you know you like the which one of these guys do you want the three-way race look the solutions are going to come from the ground up, right? Why do we have this situation at the border? Well, because there wasn't any wall built. There wasn't anything done about the welfare magnet, which is even more important than the wall. Nothing was done.
Starting point is 00:36:35 Nothing was done. You know, we got Trump. He says he's going to stop the wars. He didn't stop any wars his first time, not a single one. And by the way, neither did Biden. He didn't stop the wars this first time not a single one and by the way neither did biden he didn't stop the afghanistan war he was thrown out thrown out incompetent uh people and as he said you know uh did we stop the hooties no um but we're just going to continue this anyway you know the point is to keep the wars going and they all do that now you know he did not
Starting point is 00:37:07 start any new wars to his credit trump didn't obama did uh biden has done it but trump didn't get rid of any of them either but what we see at the border that i just talked about is another example of how the solutions are going to come from the bottom up look from the very at the very beginning of this greg abbott was you know the massive number of people coming in it's like oh let's use this to own the libs we'll send them to the democrat cities that say that you know we should have open borders and uh illegal aliens are undocumented migrants and we should give them everything all right let's give them that good and hard. And so he did. But guess what? That didn't work because the mayors of New York and Chicago and all these different places don't care what happens in their community. Ha, fooled you. He thought that they cared. They don't. That doesn't work. And so then he decided that he
Starting point is 00:37:59 would build a wall or some kind of obstruction to it quickly. At first, he was posturing with that. He would send some state patrol cars down, park five to ten of them along the river and take a picture and put it on social media. Look, I'm protecting the border. That was nonsense. This is perhaps a little bit more serious, but they're starting to get more serious because the invasion continues to get more serious. These solutions're starting to get more serious because the invasion continues
Starting point is 00:38:26 to get more serious. These solutions are going to come from the bottom up as people are looking at what is being done to our society. There's an interesting take on it. As a daily skeptic, one person said, well, net zero is collapsing. People don't want to hear any more about ESG. People are disgusted with this idea of net zero. But it's taking everything down anyway.
Starting point is 00:38:49 You know, they just closed their last steel plant in the UK, in the United Kingdom. It was in Wales. And do we still have steel being made? Oh, yes. But it's being made in India and China. Why? Because they don't have the kinds of prohibition and taxes and expenses on using cheap available energy like coal. The Paris Climate Accord was simply to transfer
Starting point is 00:39:16 production and energy and all the rest of the stuff. It's a wealth transfer to India and to China by the global elites. So these solutions are going to come from the bottom up. They're going to come from the bottom up when people are disgusted with this. People realize that these emperors have no clothes. They have no argument. They have no MacGuffin. The emperor has no MacGuffin.
Starting point is 00:39:38 He should have had that. Maybe. I don't know. That would be kind of convoluted, wouldn't it? Anyway, so will she be able to fool those bigoted Southerners who voted for her in the past? Isn't that the interesting thing? You know, Nikki Haley is just like Obama. Oh, this is such a bigoted country, says Michelle Obama.
Starting point is 00:39:55 You know, I really don't like America. It's like they voted for your husband who's black. How is that bigoted? She wants to tell us, you you know makes up these stories about how in the 80s there were supposedly segregated beauty contests no way no way we all know that and um and so you know it's just the the bigotry of the people who then elected her twice as governor of south carolina they're not bigots they're stupid perhaps perhaps, but not bigots. And I know exactly how they control this. Look, there's good people in South Carolina. I had a lot of people contact me
Starting point is 00:40:30 and say, I made a comment one day. I said, how in the world do we get people like Nikki Haley, Tim Scott, Lindsey Graham? It's like, what's the matter with you? You're not sending us your best people out of South Carolina. I know there's better people in South Carolina. I've met a lot of them. And he said, well, like this is because the Republican party that's there and how they control it very carefully. And they do, they control who gets to run. And so the Republican party is the problem. The Democrat party is the problem.
Starting point is 00:40:58 Stop thinking that, you know, oh, I've got to oppose this because the Democrats oppose it, right? That's exactly what Travis was saying about the architects. that, you know, oh, I've got to oppose this because the Democrats oppose it. Right? That's exactly what Travis was saying about the architects. Well, if Hitler threw these people out, they must be good. We need to bring them in. No. So, um, on the Democrat side, Biden wasn't even on the ballot.
Starting point is 00:41:20 And that was the thing. I was, I was kind of confused about that. I thought, okay, so Biden does this deal and he has the DNC, uh, say, well, we're going to go to South Carolina first because that's where he had his first victory. So he was, you know, got a fond nostalgia, uh, for the fact that, uh, he got accepted first in South Carolina to win the nomination. He had lost in Iowa. He lost in New Hampshire. So let's not do those. Let's do South Carolina to win the nomination. He had lost in Iowa. He lost in New Hampshire. So let's not do those.
Starting point is 00:41:46 Let's do South Carolina first. And so New Hampshire said, nope, we got a law. We're not going to do that. And so what happens to the Democrat ballot? Well, it turns out that they did have a Democrat primary, but New Hampshire kicked off Biden. And so they still had, uh, Mary Marianne Williamson and a Dean Phillips. Um, I don't know if you had to, um, write their names. You did have to write in Biden's name before what I can tell.
Starting point is 00:42:19 Um, the, um, uh, there are not just those two that you've heard about, which are really, really, really epically long shots. But there were more than a dozen names on the Democrat ballot, except for Biden. He was not there. You had to write him in. So it doesn't really matter who wins that in New Hampshire, because the DNC has said, well, because you're not going to put Biden on there and because you're not going to honor and let South Carolina go first, uh, we're not going to award any delegates to New Hampshire at the
Starting point is 00:42:59 convention for the nomination. So again, this is partisan politics and it's disgusting within the party. The DNC and the partisan politics is disgusting within the Democrat Party to Democrats. Take a look at what had happened with Hillary Clinton running against Bernie Sanders. I remember that very well in the 2016 election. She would go in, and the two of them would go head-to-head,
Starting point is 00:43:27 and she would get all the delegates. Now, even if he won the state, she would get more delegates. Why? Because they had created this thing called super delegates. And that really belonged to the party itself because they didn't trust the people or they didn't want, you know, they wanted to retain control of ballot, control the nomination, control the debates, control, control, control. And so even if Bernie Sanders won, Hillary Clinton got most of the delegates. I mean, it's just these political parties, especially the Democrats, are just incredibly corrupt and controlling. And so that's the way this thing operates.
Starting point is 00:44:04 It is a selection and uh you don't really have a voice in this that's why i keep saying these presidential races that everybody gets so focused on it tells us what their agenda is it tells us which people are coming and the ways that they're going to attack us for example you know take a look at the vaccine that was created by trump and and everybody said, well, you better vote for Trump because Biden's going to mandate the vaccine. It's like, yes, but Trump will do it in a more subtle way. He'll tell you, trust me. Then he will, behind closed doors, in a very subtle way, he'll reward corporations if they mandate it.
Starting point is 00:44:40 And that's most of what Biden's coercion was. It was saying to the hospitals, you know, we've been giving you unbelievable amounts of money through CMS, through Medicare, Medicaid, but we're going to cut all that off. If you don't demand that your medical staff all be vaccinated. It would have been that type of thing with Trump in the same way that it was with Biden. It would not have changed that much. What would have changed is people would have been more trusting of Trump. And so I'd rather have the guy there that is wearing the uniform rather than the spy who is the fifth column stabbing me in the back. That's my take on it. But anyway, so one of the other things that last night as we were talking about uh current events with Clyde Lewis
Starting point is 00:45:26 I had a caller come in and she said you know I'm it really annoys me that nobody has asked any of these candidates the question because they have opportunities to ask them the questions in Iowa and in New Hampshire where it's small and personal why hasn't anybody asked any of these candidates will you lock us down again and we both laughed because that's a rhetorical question we know they will lock us down again yeah we know that trump will do it we know that nicki haley will do it she's on board with the pharmaceutical companies we know that biden did it why do we know that biden and trump the front runners will do it because they've already done it. And they bragged about how effective it was. No admission of any mistakes, no talk of any reform, no talk of from anybody, even under
Starting point is 00:46:13 them within their own party or anywhere of taking any of these powers that they stole, that they usurped back. There's no admission or understanding even with the MAGA people as to how this all happened. They don't understand that it was done through the money. And that's how Trump did it, was through the money. There's no understanding of that. And so, you know, when you look at all this, of course, will you lock us down again? The answer is, of course, yes.
Starting point is 00:46:42 And so what are Americans doing? Americans are voting for slavery. A vote for Biden is a vote for slavery. A vote for Trump is a vote for slavery. You already know they tried to enslave you. What are you voting for these people for? It's the most foolish thing I've ever seen in my life. Idiots.
Starting point is 00:47:02 Idiots. We're stuck on a ship of fools with these people. You better prepare individually and with your family because these people that we're taking the cruise with are absolute lunatics, lunatics. As I've said over and over again, when people, I just, you know, I just copied and pasted it, you know, on during back in 2020, I said, well, you need to do this. You know, just copied and pasted it uh you know on uh during back in 2020 i said well you need to do this you know just people like scott adams it's getting really hard to tell the
Starting point is 00:47:29 difference between these freedom lovers and sociopaths and it's most of the people i would just tell them you got the mindset of a slave you got the mindset of a slave scott adams does i said it's getting harder and harder to tell these pragmatists from totalitarians. Maybe I should have said from slaves. So Trump has now renewed a pledge to build something to protect the United States. Guess what it is? Not a wall.
Starting point is 00:47:56 No, no, didn't do that. We're going to move on to something bigger, better. Something that maybe aligns with something from his first term you know he's got the space it is space force well now he's talking about building an iron dome over the u.s there we go another vaporware promise that'll probably work out just like the wall. And again, Steve Bannon, he got convicted for his we build the wall thing. Steve Bannon knew that the wall was not being built. Now he pretends that Trump built the wall because Trump pardoned him.
Starting point is 00:48:35 Didn't pardon his partner. His partner went to jail. But all the people that they raised money from knew that Trump wasn't building the wall. But let's just pretend that he built the wall. And now he's going to build an Iron Dome. Isn't that nice? Yeah, Israel's got one.
Starting point is 00:48:51 But again, we care about the security of other countries, but we don't care about protecting the United States. What a novel idea to build a missile defense like the one that Israel's got, that we helped to pay for, helped them to do it. But he says now, and it'll all be made in the USA. Will it? Will we have the minerals and materials? Will we have the steel capability with all the things that are happening?
Starting point is 00:49:19 Will we? Will it be made in the United States? Will they make it at all? As a matter of fact um yeah maybe the way this works out is if you go into the freedom cities it'll be maybe uh an iron dome over the freedom cities that he's going to build you know his rebranding of smart cities so go into your freedom city and you'll be safe because we got an iron dome for you there. Trump said an iron dome will prevent World War III. No.
Starting point is 00:49:48 No. In the same way that building the wall would not prevent illegal immigration. It is the way you prevent illegal immigration is to remove the welfare magnet. The way you prevent World War III is to stop these entangling alliances that are drawing us into that war. It's like there's magnets everywhere. We're being pulled this way, pulled that way. We're being pulled into a war with these entangling alliances. And maybe you start ending the wars abroad.
Starting point is 00:50:16 Maybe that would be a way to avoid getting drawn into World War III. What a novel idea that would be. Why is it that Switzerland doesn't need to have an iron dome over it why is that uh trump on monday tried to explain how missile defense system works listen to his characterization of it you know and this is a lot more detailed than when he said about the north korean dictator hey i've got a big button on my desk that i can push and my button is bigger than your button. Well, this is a much more detailed explanation of the anti-ballistic defense system that we have here. He said, they go missile launched and you hear a bell go. I mean, I see this. It's so incredible. He said, they explained geniuses do what is needed then at the keyboard.
Starting point is 00:51:05 And they've only got 17 seconds to figure this whole thing out, right? Boom, he says. Okay, missile launch. Boom. It's the most. We don't have it here, he says. That's how the Iron Dome works in Israel, he said. Well, after reading that description of our proposed missile defense
Starting point is 00:51:26 system from our fearless leader playing 4d chess all i can say is repeat what general kelly said about trump god help us that's the best we can do uh to protect our citizens from foreign threats yeah try the washington approach you know washington didn't have an iron dome he didn't have missiles he didn't have uh trillions of dollars to ship over to his pals in the military industrial complex or something that may or may not work now he just said that maybe what we won't do is we won't go poke bears everywhere you know and tell them to, you know, come attack us. He says this Iron Dome missile defense thing, he says, is doing really good work protecting civilians in Ukraine and Israel now. Is it?
Starting point is 00:52:14 Is it? It seems to me they're dying. Maybe we end these wars. Yeah, you want to, you know, those civilians in ukraine they just they love the peace and quiet that they have there don't they and this war that we started why doesn't trump hector the obama and biden administration for prodding that war for pushing and pushing and pushing to get that war why don't they why doesn't he talk about that and so he says it may someday may someday come to pass defending the u.s homeland how about that you know maybe someday
Starting point is 00:52:55 someday maybe we might have the so-called defense department defend america maybe someday the so-called border patrol will patrol the border and not facilitate an invasion. Maybe someday, right? And as I've said before, don't you find it interesting that when we minded our own business, largely, they called it the department of war. And I'm not talking about, um, you know, well, even before the civil war, you know, we got involved in the Mexican war, but nevertheless, that was, you know, we won't get into the into details of that but they used to call it the war department when it wasn't really interested so much in a foreign empire but then when we came all about other countries they named it the defense department now uh in terms of is this
Starting point is 00:53:41 going to solve everything we had foreign minister sergey lavrov of Russia went on CBS in an interview aired yesterday. And his comment on all this stuff, all this grand talking about how Trump is going to end all the wars, and he's going to give us a defense system, and he's going to, on day one, he's just going to click his finger, and he's going to deliver utopia to us all. Well, Sergey Lavrov, the foreign minister of Russia, is about as skeptical of this as I am. He says Trump won't change anything. Trump won't change anything.
Starting point is 00:54:15 That's right. He said Washington itself had ruined its relations with Moscow by dismantling all of the, as he put it, confidence-building, unquote, mechanisms, and also eroding mutual trust. He pointed in particular to the decision by former U.S. President George W. Bush to withdraw from the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty in 2002. That was signed 30 years earlier to limit the number of ballistic missile defense systems
Starting point is 00:54:44 each side could have. It was designed to depressurize the arms race between the two Cold War rivals, but of course, the military-industrial complex wanted to ramp this up again. You can't lose that profit center of intercontinental ballistic missiles. Washington, he says, has since shattered the foundations of bilateral relations with Russia by terminating all agreements on strategic stability, parity, mutual trust, inspections, and transparency, Lavrov said. And so according to him, he said, Washington is still too obsessed with its own perceived superiority and impunity to change its approach to relations with Moscow.
Starting point is 00:55:25 In recent months, Trump has on several occasions vowed to put an end to the conflicts between Moscow and Kiev and Israel and Hamas. He claimed that he would be able to quickly convince both Putin and Zelensky to sit down at the negotiating table since he allegedly knew both leaders very well. Lavrov's not buying it. I'm not buying it. It is interesting as we look at this criminal Democrat administration, the Biden administration that, um, they deleted a whole bunch of documents this January, the sixth committee that was being run by the Democrats
Starting point is 00:56:03 deleted a whole bunch of them. And we already know from the video stuff that some of it that's come out, how they selectively cherry-picked things to show what they wanted to show, to create their own narrative, as they do. But they deleted a lot of files, and now the Republicans have been able to recover 100 of those deleted files. Very interesting. But they're a lot of files, and now the Republicans have been able to recover 100 of those deleted files. Very interesting. But they're still encrypted.
Starting point is 00:56:29 And so then they're going to ask the former Select Committee Chair, Benny Thompson of Mississippi, hand over the passwords. This is kind of key. Why would they delete these things that are also now encrypted? They encrypted them and deleted them. You know, why would they delete these things that are also now encrypted? They encrypted them and deleted them. And so, you know, when you go back and you look at, I've mentioned this many times, that TSA lawsuit that was filed by a liberty-loving engineer. And as part of that lawsuit, he was able to do discovery. And they published the lawsuit on pacer.gov,
Starting point is 00:57:09 which is where the government publishes all the lawsuits, but it was supposed to be redacted, and they published the unredacted version, and it was up for about half a day, and we were able to grab that and then compare that to the redacted version so we could see exactly what they didn't want us to see. They did a great job of helping us with that. And then, and that they said, there is no threat.
Starting point is 00:57:30 The airports and airplanes and on and on. And so, yeah, there was a lot of very incriminating stuff saying TSA doesn't do its job and there's no threats. And so this is very key because these 100 files are the key things that they don't want anybody to see. And so they just need to unredact that. They need to decrypt it. They encrypted them and then deleted them. Two days before Republicans are sworn in. So it seems to me like Bennypson and some of these other people might
Starting point is 00:58:06 be facing or should be facing some criminal charges for destruction of evidence obstruction of justice things like that most of the recovered files are password protected preventing us from determining what they contain said louder milk he said um uh he he wants a list of passwords provided for all select committee files. He said it's obvious that Pelosi's select committee went to great lengths to prevent Americans from seeing certain documents produced in their investigations, said louder milk.
Starting point is 00:58:38 And of course, we all know that is the case. An interesting turn, one last thing before we take a quick break here uh in florida a state senator elena garcia wanted the state to give five million dollars to trump for the multiple criminal cases that he's facing like what you're gonna charge the taxpayers for this look trump and his supporters all he's got to do is you know have another mug mug shot taken or do some more nfts and um uh he can get some fiat cash from everybody very easily a post on Politico on X about this bill was entitled, Some Florida Republicans Want Taxpayers to Pay Trump's Legal Bills.
Starting point is 00:59:33 DeSantis saw that and he says, Not the Florida Republican who wields the veto pen. Maybe he should, if he wants to make fun of DeS for uh being italian maybe he should call him veto we'll be right back ¶¶ Thank you. Analyzing the Globalist's Next Move And now, The David Knight Show Hear news now at APSradioNews.com Or get the APS Radio app and never miss another story Well, let's move from politics back to something that's going to affect our lives. Look, the border's going to affect our lives, and I don't talk that much about it. Breitbart has always been all about the border.
Starting point is 01:01:32 And I don't talk about it that much because this has been just, you know, it's been the carrot that the Republicans who are riding our back, you know, we're their horses. And so they get on our back and they, uh, put a tie, a carrot on a string to a stick and they hold it out in front of the horse and the horse just keeps going after it. Right. Never going to catch it. And that's what it is. It's simply bait.
Starting point is 01:01:57 It's simply a MacGuffin to motivate us because Republicans will never do anything about it. That's why I'm 2016 is like, all right, well, Trump well, Trump, we don't know what he's going to do. He's never had a political record. Maybe he will do it. But then we saw that he wasn't going to do it. So for the longest time, it's like, why talk about it? Yeah, it's a big problem.
Starting point is 01:02:16 I didn't avoid it because it wasn't a big problem. I avoided it because nobody's going to do anything about it. They're just going to use that to drive you crazy, and they're going to use that to drive you crazy. And they're going to use that to drive you. And so, um, Trump burger forever says on rumble, Trump will tap his heels together three times and make America great again. That's what I heard. He said, yeah, I think that's right. There's no place like America. There's no place like america it'll all come true um so the uh let's talk about the cashless society because this is now a narrative that's being pushed on us by the
Starting point is 01:02:55 drug report mainstream media is now pushing this and they're pushing it in a context where they say you know we feel really sorry for those people who have to deal with cash. These people who are unbanked, who are underbanked. Are they sorry about me being kicked out of PayPal and Venmo and Spotify and things? Are they sorry about that? No, they are crying crocodile tears. And so this is an article that was from Study Finds, and Drudge put it up. No cash accepted.
Starting point is 01:03:31 These types of signs are bad news for millions of Americans. Poor, poor people. They're going places, and they're being left out. If only there were some way that we could make all these problems that poor people have with banks just go away. I know how we could do it. So he says that more businesses are refusing to take cash in cities across the United States. People without bank accounts are shut out from stores and restaurants. They refuse to accept cash.
Starting point is 01:04:10 No self-respecting mom and pop is going to kick people out if they're going to pay cash. As a former retail store owner, I know that I would much rather have cash than a credit card, which has expensive fees associated with it. As a matter of fact, when we had the video stores um i had written the point of sale software that we used that was the reason we opened the video store was to to use it as a test bed and i was going to market that and then at that point in time they opened up the vaults and we got access to all these great catalog titles and everything and video just exploded so it's like you, I was out there trying to convince these mom and pop stores and anybody. I mean, you know, if you bought IBM, you were safe. But don't take a chance on something like, you know, the Mac with a graphical user interface.
Starting point is 01:04:57 People look at it like, what's that? You know, looking at the mouse. This doesn't have any function keys on here. And all the rest of this stuff. And so it was really hard sell to sell to people. It's like, you don't have any function keys on here and all the rest of this stuff. And so it was really hard sell to sell to people. It's like, you don't have colors. I've got eight colors on my IBM PC. It was a tough sell.
Starting point is 01:05:12 So it's like, let's just forget that. If I could sell this to somebody, it would be a nightmare to try to support somebody like that. How do you turn this thing on? You know, it's a, I didn't want to do that. We just used it for our own purposes and everything. Uh, but I, I mentioned all that because I did the point of sale software.
Starting point is 01:05:33 And the thing that made it possible was they had just introduced a five megabyte drive. Oh yes. Uh, but that was more than enough for us to have 15,000 titles and many items associated with that. A lot of customers and we kept their histories and all the rest of that stuff. And I had to write it in Pascal because they didn't have any database stuff out there. We just did get a hard disk drive for the Mac system and everything. But, um, as part of the system, uh, we had the ability, if somebody would come in, you know, we're typically talking about small amounts of money, a couple of dollars here and there. And, uh, so we would, um, if somebody was coming in and dropping something off and it was late, oh, I don't have any money. It's like, okay, we'll just, um, uh, put it on.
Starting point is 01:06:21 You can pay for it when you come back and we'll put it on your tab. And so we had the ability to do that. And I said, you know, let's stop paying these high credit card fees. And so for a couple of months, um, we said, we're not, if you've got a credit card, if you don't have any cash, just pass the next time you come in cash. Well, you know how that worked out. We were young at the time. And so what happens is some people would do that, but other people, when the tab got high enough, they would just stop coming back. We'd lose them as customers and we'd lose the money as well. So we had to take that, but we didn't like paying those fees.
Starting point is 01:06:51 And there isn't anybody that he tries to portray. This is something that is going to be, you know, oh, we don't want your business here. Get out. He says, um, uh, when I went to Seattle, he said, this is, um, what is what I, he said, I'm a business school professor. I'm researching society's transition from cash to electronic payments. Actually, he's pushing it. He's not researching it. He's pushing it.
Starting point is 01:07:15 But he says, I recently visited a Seattle store. I recently visited Seattle, rather, and was amazed by the mixed signals that I saw in many storefronts. Numerous shops had a sign that would proudly proclaim how welcoming and inclusive they were. Next to another sign saying no cash accepted. Inclusive. And this is the way he ends up this article. He talks about how we have to be inclusive to the people who are unbanked, and we've got to include them into this slave system where we monitor and control everything that anybody can buy. Yeah, these inclusive people,
Starting point is 01:07:56 I've always noticed that these people focus on inclusivity. They're some of the most unwelcoming, racist, bigoted tyrants I've ever seen in my life, and you've probably seen that as well at the universities, at the big corporations and all the rest of these things. And so I don't think that any self-respecting small business is going to turn somebody away, turn cash away. But he said a lot of people are still unbanked, about 6 million people in the U.S., which is about the size of the population of Wisconsin. Outside of the U.S., more than a billion people don't have a bank account, he said. So why don't they have a bank account?
Starting point is 01:08:33 Well, he says as part of, you know, I guess a census survey, the FDIC has some sub questions in it. He said they survey households. But later in the article, he says it's pulled out of another survey. So I don't know which it is. Nevertheless, they have questions in there that let them get an insight as to why people don't deal with a bank. And he said when people responded in 2021, he said the top reason with over 40% of respondents choosing it was that they
Starting point is 01:09:06 didn't have enough money to put in for the minimum balance. And so it gets expensive because they charge your fees. If you don't have the minimum balance and all the rest of the stuff and every little service that you do, they charge you a lot of money. And, uh, so he said that was the number one reason that was 40% of the people, but he said the second and third place at about a third of the people each okay so we got 40 say i don't have enough money then the other 60 is about equally divided between people who um say avoiding a bank gives me more privacy and the other group that
Starting point is 01:09:40 says i don't trust banks so that's about 60% of the people who don't want a bank. It's not just that they can't afford it. But then I'm kind of confused a little bit about some of the stats that he has, because he says rounding out the top five reasons where the costs of dealing with a bank. So it's not really, you know, 40% don't have the money. 30% want privacy. 30% don't trust the money. 30% want privacy. 30% don't trust the bank. Here's at 100%.
Starting point is 01:10:06 No, that's not it because he's now got another 25% and he's got five different reasons. And so he's just looking at this for each of these reasons. So somebody would have maybe multiple reasons. Number one, I don't have enough money. And number two, I don't trust him anyway. So he said, rounding this out, whether it's cost of dealing with a bank, the fees are too high and so forth, which is very much like the first one where I don't have enough money to deal with it. But again, he starts talking about, he takes their side and he says, yeah, these banks are
Starting point is 01:10:40 just charging too much money. You got basic monthly service fees. You've got banks charging people $4 to $5 each time they take money out of an ATM and on and on. So he's kind of laying a little subtext there. You know, we need to get rid of these banks. You know, if you went with CBDC and you banked everything with the Federal Reserve, maybe at first they wouldn't charge you anything, right? It's this utopia. So, you know, the only thing that it would cost for you to have a Federal Reserve CBDC would be all of your privacy and all of your liberty. That's what it would cost you.
Starting point is 01:11:20 Being unbanked in America, he said, the FDIC calls people without a bank account the unbanked in America, he said, uh, the FDIC calls people without a bank account, the unbanked. Well, really they're the people who don't have, you know, what they're looking at, what they're pushing for are the people who are un ID. And I thought, as I wrote that down, uh, un ID, how do we pronounce that? United. There we go. We are the un ID. We are the un-ID'd.
Starting point is 01:11:46 We are the United. That's what we need to focus on as they try to push out this global vaccine, passports, and CBD. We are the un-ID'd. The United. People with a bank account but who primarily rely on alternative services such as check cashing outlets are called the underbanked. So you might have a bank, but you don't use it that much. You are underbanked because you're
Starting point is 01:12:10 using cash. The latest FDIC data shows that almost 6 million unbanked and 19 million underbanked U.S. households. Given that two and a half people live in the average household, he said this means that there's over 15 million people living in a home with no connection to a bank and 48 million more in homes with only a tenuous connection to banks. And so he says, if you combine those two figures, you see there's roughly about one out of every five in the U.S. And then you throw in all the illegal immigrants and all the homeless people and all the transients who don't have a permanent address and they can't do business with the bank even if they had money and wanted to and uh but then he comes back and says well these people don't have any connection to a bank so that could leave them shut out of stores restaurants transportation medical providers that don't take cash again i don't think so in the big hospitals? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, you're going to walk in with several suitcases of cash to pay for the first night?
Starting point is 01:13:09 I mean, hospitals. While the U.S. has relatively high rates of people with bank accounts, it's different in other parts of the world. The World Bank has created a database showing the percentage of people in each country's population that has access to financial services. And so the World Bank's definition of being banked is broader than the FDIC, since it includes anybody who has a cell phone to send or receive money as having a bank account, which is one of the reasons why another one of the articles being pushed yesterday by the mainstream media was just how dangerous it is to use any of these apps. And you've got Alvin Bragg, the famous Manhattan DA who came after Trump.
Starting point is 01:13:51 He's now trying to get more media attention for himself. You know, this, this political whore who's trying to, you know, climb the ladder of success. I imagine he's, he's got his job on Leticia James after she moves on to bigger things. Um, and, um, he can take her job. Uh, but he's out there trying to say, well, the same type of thing we've seen Elizabeth Warren doing in terms of crypto, same type of thing. We've seen Jamie diamond, Jamie demon, sorry, demon sorry demon demon the demon of jp morgan out there
Starting point is 01:14:26 saying well you know all cryptocurrency is just for illegal usage the guy who has just had this massive trial because he was partnering with jeffrey epstein and child trafficking and all the rest of this stuff his bank his bank has been charged and convicted multiple times. He's got a long rap list and other big banks like HSBC. They want to say that, well, you know, you don't want to get into that Bitcoin crypto stuff because that's all criminals, but you can trust. JP Morgan, HSBC, the biggest criminals out there. We got the rap sheet to prove it. And so this is what Alvin Bragg is out there saying.
Starting point is 01:15:12 He's saying, well, you know, we've had some people who have been defrauded using some of these services, you know, Venmo, Cash App, Zelle, things like that. Guess what? People get ripped off all the time of credit cards as well. But he leaves that out, just like they leave out the banks that are involved in criminal activity. This is part of a narrative that they're crafting. And it's another indication of how they're ready to move very rapidly. And this is the reason I'm mentioning it.
Starting point is 01:15:37 None of this stuff is really a concern to anybody. None of this stuff is a problem. But it is an indication of what they're about to do. And so he says, we need to have a more inclusive economy. Well, you know, CBDC, they want to include everybody in that. He says, many of us swipe our credit cards. We tap our phones. We insert a debit card to pay without thinking.
Starting point is 01:16:10 However, there's 6 million people in the U.S., almost 1.5 billion worldwide, who can't do that. Those poor people. You know, that was the concern of this, that elitist queen, the Dutch queen, Maxima. He said, yeah, all these people, you know, get their government checks and things like that. They need to have an ID. Yeah. And as I said, I don't know if she gets a government check. Does she have to show her ID?
Starting point is 01:16:34 Does King Charles have to show his ID? No. Those welfare kings and queens don't have to. The literal welfare queens and kings. So he goes on to say, you know, and so a lot of people could use prepaid cards, but they're costly, he says. Walmart, they charge you a dollar to buy it. They charge you $6 a month in fees. They charge you three times each time you want to load it up. So you got to pay a minimum of $10 just to set it up for a few purchases.
Starting point is 01:16:58 A very steep price, he said. Oh, it depends on how much you're using it for. The next time you see a sign in a shop or restaurant window stating no cash accepted, you're really looking at a business excluding many unbanked and underbanked people. I wonder if he had that kind of concern when people said no mask, no service. Why? If I had a Walmart prepaid card for every time I'd been kicked out of a restaurant in Texas for not wearing a mask. Um,
Starting point is 01:17:27 anyway, um, the big corporations are the ones who are doing this. And, um, uh, you know, you're,
Starting point is 01:17:37 you're doing them a favor, you know, when you do business with this stuff. Uh, so, uh, I, I don't understand what the grief is about all this but we understand
Starting point is 01:17:45 the narrative that is there and then again as i mentioned alvin bragg he goes in conjunction with abc news they talk about how risky it is to have venmo zelle and cash app well the risky thing about venmo is that they may debank you as they did me right paypal owns venmo and uh they debanked me with that explanation and um so you know that's the risk that you play with these people uh so he says consumers are vulnerable to fraud you know unlike credit cards or even debit cards because he says so if these things are able to pull money in and out of your account, but that's no different than a debit card. He said they can do it through exploitation of your mobile phone, your personal electronic device, iPhones and things like that. Well, keep that thing under wrap and don't hand it over to people are going to scam you.
Starting point is 01:18:42 A lot of times they'll say, can I use your phone? I need to make a phone call. Mine's dead or something like that. And then the people will realize that they have been stolen from. Their bank account has been hacked and emptied. In the past year, there have been thefts, he says, stretching from L.A. where several people, actually he's not saying this, ABC is putting that in there. They put him up front, and now they're going to fill in the details for you.
Starting point is 01:19:05 That's the way they create these narratives. Stretching from L.A., where several people were robbed of thousands of dollars through Venmo at knife point, to Orlando, where a woman had thousands of dollars drained from her Venmo after a child asked to use her phone. Similar thefts and robberies have been publicly reported in West Virginia, Louisiana, and so forth, elsewhere across the United States. So anything like that can happen. Yeah, it's a rough world out there.
Starting point is 01:19:32 All the state's names are basically in the south where people are kind enough to hand over their phone. Yeah, that's right. Well, I bless your heart. I think my bank account has been emptied here. I'm concerned about the troubling rise in illegal behavior, said Alvin Bragg. And so he's requesting that these companies meet with him. Square owns Cash App. PayPal owns Vimo.
Starting point is 01:19:57 They're not responding to him or to ABC News. But isn't this nice? What would we do, Travis, if we didn't have these new york district attorneys and state attorneys general who's going to protect us from everything right unbelievable but again why don't you call them while you're talking to them alvin bragg why don't you ask paypal and memo why they debanked me uh zell uh did respond uh zell is um said that less than one-tenth of one percent of transactions are reported as fraud or scams and that percentage keeps getting smaller they said their spokesman said the network participates with financial institutions that are required
Starting point is 01:20:40 to reimburse consumers if there is a confirmed fraud claim. Same way as if it were a credit card. But these people want to lock us down financially for something that is one-tenth of 1%. Because, you know, they did that in their so-called pandemic. They didn't even claim that they had people dying at a higher rate of that. So, again, don't want to investigate the shadow banning. You don't want to investigate the debanking.
Starting point is 01:21:15 Instead, you are pushing an agenda for total control. We're going to take a quick break, and when we come back, we're going to talk about what the EU is doing with their anonymous forms of payment, and we're going to talk about some solutions. Again, going back to Catherine Austin Fitz and some of the things that she's talked about with her financial privacy ideas that she has, how we can work together at the local level to try to shut down some of these efforts to centralize and to steal everything from us. Isn't it interesting how they project this? You know, you might have some people out there who might try to steal your entire bank account.
Starting point is 01:21:59 That's the very purpose of the CBDC. We'll be right back. If you like the Eagles, the cars, and Huey Lewis and the news, they say the hard rock and roll is to beat. The common man. They created common core to dumb down our children. They created common past to track and control us.
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Starting point is 01:24:07 way cool, Snoopy. Thank you for the tip, MJ. Appreciate that very much. Let's talk a little bit about what the EU is wanting to do. Again, last Monday, the Council of the European Union
Starting point is 01:24:20 announced that the Parliament had struck a deal and a provisional agreement on stricter anti-money laundering rules. This is only for the criminals, right? the parliament had struck a deal and a provisional agreement on stricter anti money laundering rules. This is only for the criminals, right? Well, you're a criminal.
Starting point is 01:24:29 If you've got any money, uh, the reason for the new regulations. So they claim is to combat terrorist financing, a goal, which has been fast tracked since the 7th of October Hamas terrorist attack on Israel. And,
Starting point is 01:24:43 uh, this is coming by the way from, uh, from expose news.com, as well as enhanced due diligence, they say, for crypto asset service providers. The new rules set an EU wide maximum limit of 10,000 euros for cash payments. In addition, according to the provisional agreement, obliged entities will need to identify and to verify the identity of a person who carries out an occasional transaction in cash between 3,000 euros and 10,000 euros. Well, Biden wants reporting even if it's $600 and he's creating an army of IRS. You want to talk about the European union army?
Starting point is 01:25:25 Well, we got a IRS army that Biden wants to create. But remember Nikki Haley, we got to end anonymity. We got to end it on the internet. And of course she would love to end it and financial transactions, of course, as well,
Starting point is 01:25:39 because that's who she's getting money from Jamie diamond and these other people. When she said, I've got to know your name i need to know your i don't understand how she could get that many votes in new hampshire uh i thought that was a live free or die state you're gonna vote for somebody says i demand to know your name on the internet it's just as puzzling as to see people voting for somebody who hates them because of the color of their skin. And he sees everybody is by the color of their skin. That's what she is.
Starting point is 01:26:13 She's the bigot. She's projecting all that bigotry on other people. Anyway, maybe New Hampshire is tired of the live free stuff and they're just ready to die. Yeah, that's right. Live free.
Starting point is 01:26:22 Nah, I think we'll die. Yeah. So, um, uh, die yeah that's right live free nah i think we'll die yeah so um uh so they started this thing using the october 7th attack well you know this thing happened uh so now we gotta it's just like the patriot act you know they said well this is our 9-11 uh they'll always use something like that to enact the agenda that they've already got lined up. And so then a month after that in November, uh, they proposed adding extra due diligence measures. And now here we are in January on the 18th,
Starting point is 01:26:54 uh, they reached a deal, uh, to combat money laundering that'll force all crypto firms to, uh, do even more vetting and surveillance and informing of their customers. And so as a shift, gold terms, the never ending war on cash. That's what we're looking at.
Starting point is 01:27:14 Governments, financial institutions are actively promoting a cashless society, raising concerns about individual financial freedom. Because, you know, again, gold is cash. It's real cash it's got intrinsic value unlike the fiat currencies that are out there and um so um the the war on cash takes many different forms and um one of them is um one of the ways that they can do this is to continue to close down branch banks and ATMs and things like that, which is what's happening in the U.S. Gradually shut these things down.
Starting point is 01:27:53 And so you have a net loss. Some of the banks like JP Morgan actually had a net gain of branches, but most of them have a net loss in terms of places where you can actually go to get cash. That's one of the most effective ways they can shut all this stuff down. And so there was an interesting report on Daily Skeptic, and the byline was not somebody's name. They remained anonymous. Nikki Haley would like to know who you are. Anonymous IT reporter is who wrote this article. Cash and its enemies, part two. The opportunities and the risks of CBDCs. And in this, he's looking at, so how are they going to sell the CBDCs to us? He said, you know, he looks at this in terms of negative interest rates and their ability to be able to manipulate the economy,
Starting point is 01:28:47 to increase the velocity of cash and things like that. And then the special interests of credit card providers and, of course, the politicians. He said, in times of recession, we see that governments and central banks would prefer for people to not have their money sitting around in the bank as deposits, but they'd like for them to spend it and get the economy going right so how do you do that well uh you take the amount of interest that they pay on the uh on savings and again it's gotten to a criminal low i think when um a couple of years ago when interest rates went up to, um, you know,
Starting point is 01:29:26 which is now be a big decrease to about 5% or so on a home mortgage loans, they were saying, well, um, you know, this is the first time it's been this and such and such. I went back and I looked at the 1960s when it was 5%. I thought, well, how much were they paying people on the money that they put in their savings account? And at that time, when the average mortgage rate in the mid-60s was about 5.5%, they would pay you about 4.5% if you put your money in there in savings. They don't want people putting the money in savings. I mean, it's not just the greed of the bankers. These interests align.
Starting point is 01:29:59 The politicians and the Federal Reserve want to pull the strings on the economy and the bankers want to make money. So they're more than happy not to pay you anything. So I looked at it at that point in time a couple of years ago. What was it that they were paying people? And it was a tiny, tiny fraction of 1%. Even though they were loaning the money out for homes, still at 5.5%.
Starting point is 01:30:24 They weren't paying people 4.5%. They uh, still at five and a half percent. They weren't paying people four and a half percent. They weren't even paying them a half a percent. Uh, in many cases it was way, way, way below that. And so they want to discourage you from keeping your money and, um, you know, time deposit and, um, uh, or in a savings account. And, and, uh, so they reduce the interest to where it's negligible. And then if that doesn't work, they take it into a negative interest rate where they just start charging you to have your money in the banks.
Starting point is 01:30:54 And that's what they have done in some European countries. And so he says this is the way they push the money out for the left. He says it's a good thing, but the libertarian right doesn't like that, of course. And it's very similar to the modern monetary theory where the deficits, they say, don't matter. These Democrats who are using that as a beard, as a justification for their fiscal irresponsibility say, well, we'll just give money to people and we don't have to worry about the deficit at all. If inflation rises, all we do is we take the money back in taxes.
Starting point is 01:31:33 So they give the money away to their friends and then they tax it back from their enemies. That's the way they operate with this. And that's the whole basis behind Biden's Inflation Reduction Act. Well, we're going to raise taxes to reduce inflation. Advocates of negative interest rate policies argued that they could be the fastest way out of a deep inflation-induced recession, therefore reducing the total expropriation. But the problem they have is that with all that cash in circulation, it is immune from the interest rates,
Starting point is 01:32:03 and their interest manipulation of the politicians is now less effective. This, then, is commonly seen as the real motivation behind the drive to eliminate cash, so that central bankers can penalize savers because they're in a recession. Economists might argue for less cash in the society, but credit card companies want to go whole hog and they want to eliminate it entirely. As a consumer, you don't see it, but the credit card companies are taking a big fee on every transaction. Card companies therefore want as many of the world's transactions as possible to flow through them. Visa has stated that their aim is, quote, to put cash out of business, unquote.
Starting point is 01:32:44 And it's been caught offering retailers incentives not to put cash out of business unquote and it's been caught offering retailers incentives not to take cash especially i'm sure the big box retailers deprecating cash will boost the bank's revenue but it makes life very difficult for the unbanked and so he says so we look at cash versus apathy he says in the uk there's an organization called cash is freedom dot UK. They're distributing leaflets on streets and renting billboard space. And they're telling people about CBDCs. He doesn't agree with their take on the CBDCs. He's not as concerned, this anonymous IT guy, as I and many other people are about how this will be abused.
Starting point is 01:33:27 He said the interesting thing is that if you want to support their efforts, you can go to their website, but they don't take payments in cash. Why don't they take payments in cash? Well, because that's the basis of e-commerce, and this is what made Elon Musk and Peter Thiel so wealthy. They saw the need. They said, you know, people want to buy stuff on the internet. But it's impossible really for people to do that with cash. So you're going to have to have some form of electronic payment. And so that's why they created PayPal and these other instruments that are out there. And so he said, um, a reason, a lot of that stuff, uh, is the, what is pushing a lot of
Starting point is 01:34:10 that stuff is the internet and internet commerce. And so he said, um, uh, as the UK is looking at this, some of the people in the conservative party are still saying, well, we got to be very careful. CBDC is a solution in search of a problem. We don't want this. And if we do want it, we got to go very slowly and so forth. I say this, we must also keep a close eye on ensuring that any retail digital pound, in other words, the CBDC that you and I would use, not something that's going to go between the banks and the central banks, but the retail thing. We've got to make sure that any retail digital pound does not worsen financial exclusion
Starting point is 01:34:49 for those who are reliant on physical cash. The digitization of money can't in any way leave those people behind. While we support the Bank of England's plan to continue to work on the design of a retail digital pound, I would urge them to proceed with caution and to maintain a genuinely open mind as to whether one is actually needed. This is the siren song of the conservative party in the UK, Republicans in the United States. We're watching this.
Starting point is 01:35:18 Don't worry. We're playing 4D chess. We got your back. We're not going to let the bad, yeah, you know, those bad guys out there, they got some real designs on your life but we're here for you don't worry about it we understand the problem we're on it he said in the u.s opponents of cbdc might well take the next 10 years off they said the rest of us are at the mercy of paypal and the nat west group the people who debanked forage i guess who now openly prosecute their enemies by debanking them. And he said, and I mean their enemies, I mean their customers.
Starting point is 01:35:53 Living solely on cash is increasingly difficult, but a million UK citizens have to do it and are treated like criminals for the effort. And again, if you're their enemy, they debank you, but how are you going to engage in e-commerce if you just have strictly cash? He says, can the Austrian economics save cash? He said, well, in theory,
Starting point is 01:36:16 we could have a market of competing currencies, and this is what Javier Malai is trying to do in Argentina. I thought that was interesting. He said, yeah, said yeah well okay local currencies and the good ones should be able to survive but this is what he has to say he said we've had local currencies in the uk he said either they don't get past the proposal stage there's been a proposal for a cardiff pound or for an oxford pound he says either that or they launch and then this doesn't allow it shortly as the stroud pound or the bristol pound who are all now defunct they said either they just don't
Starting point is 01:36:52 get past the planning stage or they immediately disappear very quickly these local currencies he says the arrival of cryptocurrency saw an explosion new coins over 20 000 and counting but the vast majority see few or no transactions bitcoin and ether while their names are familiar to most people are still a niche and have wildly fluctuating value and they are hard to spend in a retail context if you struggle with the online world or new fangled smartphones bitcoin is not for you and again i'd say even if even if you don't yeah i talked about that story of a billionaire who gets a call from or contact i don't know if there's a dm or a message was but it's a guy who looked at big transactions and bitcoin you know way old
Starting point is 01:37:39 transactions as they say and it was something like nine hundred some thousand dollars it was just under a million dollars and he saw this and he was wondering okay who just cashed out a million dollars from bitcoin and he was able to trace it down to this billionaire so so much for anonymity right and then he contacts him and he says uh what what were you doing and um and, I didn't do that. And he realized somebody had stolen a million dollars from him. Well, he's a billionaire. I guess he can handle that. But still when you got a stranger that alerts you that a million dollars has been stolen out of your account, that that's a weird system. Uh, not one that I feel like I want to get involved in at this point in my life, competing currencies don't seem to work at least anything less than at a national level, is his conclusion.
Starting point is 01:38:28 He said this implies that governments, central banks, and multinational corporations will be running them. He says cash is not as simple as it first appears. And its defenders need to understand the full gamut of what they are up against. And its custodians need to start putting up a fight. Well, the reality is is that there's enough people using it that it disturbs them and it is going to be a fight and so um there's an article on um ricola um where he interviewed um katherine austin fits as i interviewed her a couple of weeks ago And just to summarize some of the things that she said, because it is important to get a
Starting point is 01:39:07 perspective of, uh, uh, to get her perspective on this, because I think she really understands it. And she says to protect your finances, you need to find a good bank that you can trust. Remember when she said that you need to build a relationship with your banker. So when there's a problem, you can call them and they know who you are, but the real key, and this all really kind of came together when we saw this near approval of the natural asset companies. She said the debt growth model has come to an end.
Starting point is 01:39:37 In other words, continuing to get people to go further and further into debt. You know, how much more debt can we handle instead? They realize this is all going to implode and so the race now is to get hard assets and again katherine said all this in the interview but i just wanted to stress it again when she says hard assets she means things like metals food water land minerals all of these types of things. She said the globalist cabal has intentionally directed people toward crypto to move their money out of hard assets and into crypto. And certainly digital money and digital technologies can help to decentralize.
Starting point is 01:40:19 And it can build wealth. And a lot of people have made a tremendous amount of money off of the crypto stuff. But she is concerned that it's being used by the elites to try to centralize control and then to siphon wealth away from us. She said, there's reason to suspect that a massive cyber attack on the banking system may take place sometime this year. This may then be used to usher in some kind of a cyber patriot act, which would require you to obtain authorization through a digital identity to even access the internet. And what is Nikki Haley making this a central point in her campaign? Again, you know, Catherine Austin Fitz, she has has Solari reports where she talks about this. But the key thing is these people and all of these different markets, and that's true of pretty much anything.
Starting point is 01:41:17 When you look at gold, silver, Bitcoin, all these, the market cap is small enough that these super wealthy individuals and organizations can manipulate those markets. And they do. And they've been caught doing it over and over again. And so if they're going to manipulate the markets, they can make it go up so that everybody, Whoa, what a fantastic investment. Let me get into that digital money. Meanwhile, as she points out, they're getting in and buying the land.
Starting point is 01:41:44 Or in the case of Warren Buffett, railroads and things like that. It's like a game of Monopoly. You get the Monopoly money and they get the assets. AI, she said is a component piece of a system that's been very successful at brainwashing,
Starting point is 01:41:59 propaganda, mind control. And when you combine it with entertainment, with subliminal programming and with software that creates addictions, you create this phenomenal infrastructure of things that can really suck people in. And so it really is a war for your mind. But what is their ultimate move in all this? And again, it comes back to money, just like I said before about the World Economic Forum. They have decided the the best way for them not to say that they have rejected the idea of actually killing us um you know with bullets with autonomous killer robots or drones or whatever
Starting point is 01:42:37 that's still on the table they can poison us she calls it the great poisoning what happened they can poison us they can conduct nuclear biological chemical warfare on us and they are doing um and you can add to that electromagnetic warfare as we talked about yesterday with jason barker so you can put all that stuff in there but the bottom line is the love of money the the root of all evil. And these people love money, don't they? And it's the economics that keep luring people in. It's how they buy these people. It's how they lure in their minions to do this.
Starting point is 01:43:15 Money is simply a management system, says Catherine. Money is a control system. They're not so much interested in money as they are in managing the crowd. Historically, one of the most profitable businesses and the business that makes it very easy to manage a crowd is... How do you manage a crowd? And how do you have a really profitable business? It's called a slave trade. It's slavery.
Starting point is 01:43:40 These people, she said, believe in slavery. They practice slavery and as i have said many times they've got us all fighting over slavery a form of slavery that ended uh 160 years ago and they want us to not notice the high-tech chains that they're putting on our hands and feet as the we look at this. So one of the things that was really clear once the financial crisis hit was that the debt growth model was coming to an end. The race was on to get hard assets, and that's what I talked about.
Starting point is 01:44:14 So you got Buffett, you got Gates, all these people buying massive amounts of land and other hard assets as they tell us, your best investment is going to be going to Bitcoin or digital stuff. A cyber attack on the banks is one of the scenarios they've been working on, she said, and there's no doubt right now that there's an effort to control and to engineer consolidation in the banking system. The question in my mind, which I don't know the answer to, she said, is will they be ready by 2024? If you look at the Fed bringing up the FedNow system, it's still voluntary to join, and I just don't know if operationally they can make this work in 2024.
Starting point is 01:44:51 Now, if you look at what's happening globally, they may be forced to do it, to have it be very organic and messy. But is this a plausible scenario? Yes, she says, it is a plausible scenario. For 15 years, I've been making sure that everything that I buy is in hard copy on the assumption that everything in the digital world is going to be censored and that we would need a library of gardening, of all sorts of technologies and skills. It's one of the reasons why i suggested people for a long time before uh jack lawson
Starting point is 01:45:25 supports the program as a sponsor and civil defense manual you find it civil defense manual.com two volumes and he said this from the very beginning same thing katherine is saying when it hits the fan you're not going to be able to get this stuff online. And so he said, I want it to be in a paper form. Because even if you put this stuff on your hardware device, if it's not in some kind of a Faraday cage that actually works really well, you can still lose it. So have it in paper. That's what she's saying.
Starting point is 01:46:01 Buy books. You need a complete archive of everything that you need and you need to have it in analog form we got to start we got to understand what are they trying to do they're trying to isolate us and they're trying to drag us into this virtual web this virtual reality this virtual net and it's a trap i mean you can certainly use this stuff. That's how I communicate to people and how we still communicate with each other, but you must not be totally dependent upon it. Make sure that you have a life outside of it. Make sure that you have your information that is outside of it as well. She said, if you read stories of who did well
Starting point is 01:46:40 in the depression, what you hear are stories of people in communities that had among each other all of the skills that they needed for survival. And this will tell you a lot of the things that you need for survival. CivilDefenseManual.com. I often talk with people about how to start community currencies or network currencies. And what I say to them is, look, if you haven't worked out the health and the food, whatever you do in the currency area won't work. She said one of the reasons that they're trying to get complete control over food is that you can't get central control of the financial system and currency
Starting point is 01:47:17 unless you have control of the food. They're two sides of the same coin, so you absolutely want to make sure in the health and food area that you are as resilient as you possibly can be. She said she got out of the Bush administration where she was in the housing and urban development. I think she was deputy secretary there. She said, I got out of that in 1991. I said, they're going to take digital technology and kill us all. I was absolutely convinced that part of getting that kind of reset going was a central mass of people who understood that this push to centralized control is going to destroy us.
Starting point is 01:47:57 And so we've got to get a critical mass of people. She said she first wrote about it from the perspective of people who had low income and the people who are class said that doesn't affect me i can weather this thing but she said now people are understanding what is going on they see after what happened with a pandemic mcguffin she said people were saying you know my doctors are lying to me. I can't trust them. My government is lying to me. I can't trust them. In fact, there's a plan out there to kill me. And that's what we need to get people to understand.
Starting point is 01:48:40 And the clock is ticking very, very quickly because they're going to be shutting down these avenues of being able to get this information out there. So again, the financial transaction freedom, she's here in Tennessee. And if you go to Solari.com, you can see where you can see some of these seminars, some of the meetings that she's having. She said, list of what you can do as an individual, a family, a business, an investor. It lays out the entire agenda. And she says, think of it as a buffet. You can't do all of it at once.
Starting point is 01:49:09 Look at the things that are going to really work for you. What is energizing and feasible for you to do? And if everybody does that, she said, we would have a revolution. And of course, she also talks about the role of state legislators and how they can do a backstop to a lot of this stuff. But the key thing is, and this is an article from James Rickard, he says, March 9th, 2022, a day that will live in infamy. What was that day? Remember? I've talked about that many times. And that was when Biden put out his executive order to every branch of the so-called deep state, but it's actually
Starting point is 01:49:50 every bureaucracy in the executive branch, all of the deep state, all of the swamp, is under the direct control of the president. Again, what did trump do about that absolutely nothing he had net zero effect on the swamp all of the all of the bureaucracy it was underneath him and he didn't do anything about it uh but again what biden did on march 9th of 2022 isn Isn't it funny? This stuff seems to always happen in March. Beware the Ides of March. You know, it was March the 13th, 2020 that Trump locked everybody down, this phony pandemic MacGuffin. And then on March 9th of 2022, his tag team partner, Biden, puts out an order for different
Starting point is 01:50:41 areas. And, you know, depending on who who they were you know they would either work on how they're going to enforce cbdc's how they're going to completely change the financial system how they're going to implement and write the code and then how they're going to market it to us as saving the planet and they all had to get back to him within six months and so ricards it says um on that day there was a hushed ceremony at the White House. Without the approval of Congress, the states, or the American people, Biden signed into law Executive Order 14067
Starting point is 01:51:14 that sets the stage for legal government surveillance of all U.S. citizens, total control over your bank accounts, over your purchases, over your ability to silence, and their ability ability to silence all dissenting voices for good. This is a new war on freedom. They're not coming for your guns. It's much bigger than that. They are coming for your money. And again, this is one of the reasons why I say, you know,
Starting point is 01:51:39 David and I died gold that Tony has set up so that you can get physical gold and silver. You know, put your money where they can't touch it, where you can touch it. That's the best that you can hope for. You know, something's got intrinsic value, something that is completely anonymous and is no longer on their radar. And, of course, that is physical gold and silver. You can find that. DavidKnight.gold will take you find that davidknight.gold. I'll take you to Tony at wisewolf.gold. And Ricard says, if you'd asked me about this two years ago,
Starting point is 01:52:10 I would have said the U.S. is taking a rather studious approach to CBDC. He said it was too important not to be involved in, but the U.S. didn't seem to be in any hurry to actually implement it. There were studies. He said, I would have said, okay, China's got it. Europe is going to do it another year. It might be three or four years down the road for the U S to do it because they've got to be careful to protect their, uh, their, you know, reserve currency status.
Starting point is 01:52:35 Uh, but he says that's all changed. And now they're fast tracking this thing really fast. And that's true. He's got a deadline. The 2030 deadline is coming. People need to understand how far we are into the fourth turning. Again, it began about 14, 15 years ago with the big financial crisis, the mortgage meltdown and all the baloney about the securitized mortgages
Starting point is 01:52:59 and everything. So about 14 or 15 years ago, and we've got about another five or six years to go before they have finished it. And they've got what they've been planning to do and practicing to do for decades, for decades. We know what the plan is because they're having to move it so quickly
Starting point is 01:53:18 that it's now out in the open. And so it goes, we've moved pretty quickly from what I would call a research phase to an implementation phase because they had already begun the implementation stage. It wasn't an investigation, get back to me and write a report. It really was. As soon as they got back to him, he says, okay, let's go. Greenlight it. We're done. We're ready to roll with this thing. And so the reality is that we have to understand where these people are on all these different issues, understand the global agenda, and then oppose it locally and individually. We're going to take a very quick break, and we will be right back. Using free speech to free minds.
Starting point is 01:54:14 It's the David Knight Show. Interested in a curated list of the finest classical music? Find it now at APpsradio.com. Well, you know, we've talked about this in the aftermath of January 6th, how they started scrutinizing everybody's travel plans, how the Bank of America said they just voluntarily turned over anyone and everyone who made any transactions
Starting point is 01:54:40 anywhere around the Washington, D.C. area on the couple of days of that, essentially creating a massive geo fence, a massive geo warrant, if you will, on everybody. And then a bank of America went even further. They voluntarily gave over all kinds of records about gun control purchases and the past and coordinated that with people who had made any purchases in Washington, D.C. on either day, you know, a couple of days either way of January the 6th. Now we're starting to see that it was even broader than this,
Starting point is 01:55:19 that there were federal officials asking banks, you know, it was portrayed in the past that, well, Bank america just voluntarily turn this over but they were asking financial institutions uh to look at search terms when people would um uh if it was something that was a credit card use or if it was in the case of you know venmo or or cash app or something like that where you can put in a comment. They were looking for comments that said something like MAGA or Trump. And they were also looking for anything that was tied to religious texts as well. I've said for the longest time that geospatial intelligence, the fastest growing part of the intelligence community since the 1990s, was there to map people's political and religious viewpoints to map it for political persecution and religious persecution and so
Starting point is 01:56:15 the family research council president tony perkins said this is beyond alarming if we did a word search in history of the type of activities that the Biden administration is engaged in, it would return words like KGB, totalitarian, repressive, anti-democratic, grave threat to freedom. And so as a result of this, Jim Jordan and other people in Congress are going to hold some show trials. And they'll get before the cameras. And they'll talk very roughly to these people. Slap him, Centurion, very roughly.
Starting point is 01:56:49 And they won't do anything about it. They will continue to fund the FBI. They will continue to build a new building for the FBI, just like you had Chip Roy say yesterday. He talked about it. He said, so we're going to talk about how we're going to impeach Mayorkas, but we're going to then give him money. You know, we go in front of the cameras. Oh, this guy is horrible.
Starting point is 01:57:12 What he's not doing at the border is horrible, but we continue to give him money. What is our method of control? Why don't we use that? Well, they're not. They're not going to use that. And so New York is moving to discourage adoption at the same time that they are incentivizing abortion and other things like surrogacy. Critics are blasting a New York state rule
Starting point is 01:57:37 that limit financial support adoptive parents can give to birth mothers, with many of them saying the state's now making it easier to abort children than to adopt them. Oh, what a surprise. Who would have thought they'd do something like that? While we talk about this, though, in terms of helping mothers who are in a crisis pregnancy situation, the hostility to it is absolutely amazing. Another one of these examples of hypocrisy, duality. You don't even get close to an abortion center. We're going to make a federal charge out of that. We'll SWAT team you.
Starting point is 01:58:12 We'll SWAT team your family. But when it comes to a crisis pregnancy center, they can vandalize it. They can commit arson. We won't investigate it. The FBI won't investigate that. They don't care. And of course, uh, Huckleberry, uh, won't care about that either. And, uh, they want to make it as difficult as possible for anybody who was even trying to give up a child that they can't
Starting point is 01:58:37 keep to somebody else. But I wanted to play for you. We talked many times about abortion and how horrible it is, but with the March for Life that happened on the anniversary of Roe v. Wade, happened over the weekend, you had CBN that was there and they interviewed some abortion survivors. And I wanted to play what one lady said about how she had struggled with it, because I think that's very important and people need to understand and have sympathy for how women have been deceived have they been pressured have they been coerced by other people maybe they were just mistaken themselves but here's this woman's testimony I wanted you to hear this got healed by abortion not even two years ago. And so my testimony has been heard in some of these cases. And, you know, it's just very important to still honor my child Benjamin and Grace.
Starting point is 01:59:32 And I was able to go through a class. I won't name the name, but through the class I was able to do a memorial service, and that's when the healing began. And I also want to let them know that there are, you know, I was a Christian when this happened and I really felt like God, I mean, didn't love me and I got forgiven, I got set free and I want other women and men to get set free because my abortion, the man was going, said he would kill himself if I had the child. So that lived with me and then I had another one as well. And so I just, I just,
Starting point is 02:00:07 it's time to speak out. And I know that the Lord's calling us at this time to do that. You know, something that we hear so often is that this is a women's rights issue. We need to not bother women and let women make the decision they want to make between them and their doctor. That's the line that we hear so often. And for somebody like it's so close I'm still very raw emotions that you're feeling in the aftermath of having an abortion what do you say to people who say that being pro life is not protecting women because it seems to me that it is protecting women by protecting the unborn as well it is and another thing I'll I can't emphasize enough is that the physical mental part of that and I suffer well I've suffered with mental emotions physical you know and my
Starting point is 02:00:55 I remember you in six weeks and I laid on that table and I can tell you right now I didn't know at the time but I felt my baby heartbeat. I felt what it felt like. The emotional trauma was there because it was already connected to me. So I would just encourage people to choose life and that it will affect you at some point in your life physically and mentally. And I just pray for everyone to just be able to reach out to a pregnancy center or talk to somebody, talk to somebody like myself or other people that have been hurt by abortion. And that's the key thing.
Starting point is 02:01:34 That's the key thing. There is forgiveness from God. There isn't anything that you do in this life that you can't find forgiveness for. It doesn't mean that there won't be consequences that we deal with for the rest of our life. You know, I often think about David, King David, and consequences that he dealt with for the rest of his life.
Starting point is 02:01:54 But he was forgiven, and he knew that. And that helped him to get through that. Well, we have our guest on now. Before we go to a break, when we come back, we're going to be talking to Chris Hume. And I had a listener who had sent me his book, Scattering the Sheep. This is about the closing of the American church in 2020. And I really wanted to talk to Chris about this. And before I got a chance to talk to him about this book. He made the news in a big way there in Lancaster County.
Starting point is 02:02:27 He was covering and has been covering the case of the Amish farmer who is being persecuted by the state and the federal government for raising food because they have to have control of the food supply, as we were just saying. And a big part of that is to make sure that all the food has to go through their few centralized processing plants and that type of thing. So we're going to talk to him when we come back. Before we go to break, I want to thank Andromeda1. Thank you for the tip very much. And he writes, David, thank you for being
Starting point is 02:03:00 an honest voice of reason. Well, thank you. I can't always be right. I try to um i study really hard to try to get the facts out there but i can make a mistake but i'm not going to deliberately lie to you as some people some people many people i know and uh and i know that chris is one of those people as well because when he talks about uh the uh the paper that he is with he says uh we're going to be honest about our biases because everybody's got bias and that's a key thing
Starting point is 02:03:30 that really is a key thing so we're going to take a quick break and we will be right back stay with us Thank you. Thank you. Making sense common again. You're listening to The David Knight Show. elvis ladies and gentlemen the beatles and the sweet sounds of motown find them on the oldies channel at apsradio.com all right welcome back and joining us now is chris hume he is the managing editor of the lancaster patriot and you probably have seen his videos that went pretty viral. He went to the farm of the Amish farmer, Amos Miller, who was being prosecuted, I should say persecuted by these people. And we want to talk about what it is that he was doing and catch up on that. But he's also written a couple of books. He wrote a book called vote christian biblical principles for voting but i particularly want to talk to him about a book that just came
Starting point is 02:06:10 out in december the listener sent to me scattering the sheep talking about what happened to the closing of churches in 2020 and i like what chris says about the worldview of the lancaster patriot he says no media company is without bias, and we're honest about ours. We believe in truth, goodness, and the beauty of the Christian worldview. We strive to live up to that standard in everything that we do. That is so refreshingly honest. Thank you for saying that, Chris. I am so sick and tired of hearing people who say, well, we're objective, and you and I both know that there is no objectivity. Everybody has got a bias, and if they tell you that they don't have a bias,
Starting point is 02:06:48 then they're either deceiving themselves or deceiving you. So thank you for getting that out there and being so self-aware and forthright about that. But thank you for joining us. Yeah. Thank you so much for having me, Mr. Knight. And yeah, I mean, there is one objective standard and that is the word of God. And our job is to align ourselves with that. And so, yeah, the liberal media companies, they like to claim that they are neutral. Of course, that's not the case. They're coming from a worldview, and I think we need to be honest about what worldview we are coming from. Yes, that's absolutely right.
Starting point is 02:07:21 Let's talk a bit about what is happening to Amos Miller. And first of all, tell us a little bit bit what is happening to amos miller and uh first of all tell us a bit about what is going on i i when i first saw the story i thought it was uh primarily about the usda and whether or not he was going to be able to butcher the cows there locally for people who are part of a club and have ownership in it so it really becomes an issue of can you grow your own food and eat your own food, but also has to do, I think, with dairy products. So kind of tell us what Amos does there at his farm. Sure. Yeah. Amos Miller is an Amish farmer here in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania.
Starting point is 02:07:56 He has been for decades now selling his food to people in Pennsylvania, people across the nation. He raises his food naturally. He raises it without the additives and chemicals that are so common in the commercially produced, government-approved food. And he's been doing this again. As you mentioned, he doesn't sell his food in the grocery stores. He doesn't sell them at roadside stands. People have to either come to his farm or they have to order specifically from his website, sign an agreement as a private buyer that they would like to purchase this food. They're informed customers. They want this food precisely because it is outside of the big food complex. It is true food
Starting point is 02:08:36 freedom. Now, you mentioned the USDA a few years ago. The USDA, the federal government, attempted to come down hard on Amos, and he had to pay $85,000, in fact, and he had to send some of his meat off-site to be processed. There was a bit of a loss for him and his customers, and that was kind of the end of that story. We thought, maybe, all right, Amos will be able to continue on, for the most part, practicing food freedom, offering people an alternative to the big food, commercially produced products. But then this year in January, earlier this month, the state of Pennsylvania came onto Amos' farm, and they're essentially attempting to regulate him again, telling him he cannot serve this food to his customers
Starting point is 02:09:20 because he doesn't follow all the government regulations. So that's in a nutshell what's going on here i mean there's so much more we can unpack yeah the state of pennsylvania saying you're not following all our rules uh you need to stop what you're doing and um bow to the state and do what we say when it comes to feeding your neighbors now a few years ago as you pointed out he got into it with the usda about slaughtering cattle and i remember he was saying that during 2020 things got very spotty uh about all that you you have to reserve this very far in advance and then all the supply chain issues and everything just got you know messed up and so he
Starting point is 02:09:59 said there was that issue there was the issue of cost but it was also the issue of quality and the issue of justice you know can't you just do this on your own land now at that point in time he was working with the federal government right but now this most recent one which you filmed and and went all over social media that's with the state right state of pennsylvania is that correct that's correct and actually the state of pennsylvania has been targeting Amos since 2016. And as I understand it, they wanted to go after him back then, and they weren't able to given some loopholes and regulations. So they actually turned to the federal government and asked them to help go after Amos. And that's how I believe the USDA got involved.
Starting point is 02:10:38 It was still at the prodding of the Pennsylvania State Department of Agriculture. So it became a federal issue. Amos settled. He had to pay $85,000. It kind of went away. But the state of Pennsylvania said, we're not done yet with Amos Miller. He's still out there providing food to people, and he does not follow our rules. And I'd love to talk about those regulations.
Starting point is 02:11:00 But the point is, they said, we're coming back after him. And now they've just released a a final lawsuit against him they've told him he can't sell any dairy products they want him to to come to heel because if amos miller is allowed to offer an alternative to big food big government control um these bureaucrats aren't going to know what to do with their lives yeah absolutely and thomas massey has came to his defense and, and, uh, talked about how he had, um, uh, I think he called it the prime act, uh, where you can, uh, grow your own cattle and process your own cattle and you don't have to send them to the USDA. But let's talk a little bit about some of the, well, before we do that, let me ask you since,
Starting point is 02:11:39 uh, Thomas Massey, who was a Congressman came to his defense about that. Is there anybody at the state level that is, uh, there to defend him? I know that you've was a congressman, came to his defense about that. Is there anybody at the state level that is there to defend him? I know that you've got a Democrat governor, mostly Democrats, but there are some Republicans. Are they doing anything at the state level to try to interpose for this? Absolutely not, Mr. Knight. The Republicans, you know, in the past have had control of the House and the Senate. Right now, by a very slim margin, the Democrats control the Pennsylvania House, but there are still plenty of Republicans. Lancaster County, where Amos Miller and me as well, where we live, most of the representatives to the State House and the
Starting point is 02:12:14 State Senate are Republican. Nevertheless, there is no one that will defend what Amos Miller is doing. And this is a huge frustration for Amos versus customers for me to see these people who claim to be about liberty and freedom really bow to the state here and say, well, the state is the one that tells you what you can and cannot eat. So it's very concerning. And I appreciate Thomas Massie. That's a federal law. It really wouldn't even affect the state level as I understand it so these representatives here in pennsylvania and there was one here in leicester county dave zimmerman who supposedly stood for freedom and liberty and he came out with a statement saying you know what no amos miller he's got to follow the rules like everyone else and uh if he does not submit to the state he should not be able to feed
Starting point is 02:13:00 his neighbor wow and that's what we're going to talk about coming up in terms of the lockdowns in 2020 and everything else like that. But it truly is, there really isn't that much difference between them. And we saw all this type of stuff. You've got to follow the rules. And these are not even laws. They're rules coming from unelected bureaucrats. We saw all this stuff in 2020.
Starting point is 02:13:21 So same type of thing happening here, whether it's about our health, whether it's about our food, we see that these guys are AWOL on the job. And that's why I say things can be even worse at the state level if we've got bad representatives at the state level. The federal government, it's very difficult to change anything there. You have more leverage to change things at the state and local level. But you still have to have you know still have to have good people and if you've got bad people they can make things even worse for you at the state and local level let's talk a little bit about some of those rules that you mentioned what what are these rules that are so horrific that he broke yeah well let's start with some of these laws because the way the state presents this and the way the Republican representatives that will not defend Amos present this is in the way in the sense of the state is going to protect us.
Starting point is 02:14:13 They're going to keep us safe. This is all about food safety. It's all about your health and the government knows best. So keep in mind in Pennsylvania, it is illegal to sell raw butter or raw cream with or without a license under any condition. You cannot sell it for human consumption. So I want to start there because people think that, you know, the state, they have our best interest in mind. They know what's best for us. These are man-made laws made by bureaucrats in Harrisburg, made by representatives, legislators
Starting point is 02:14:41 in Harrisburg who think that they can tell you and i what is healthy to eat now again i i didn't have any trust in them before 2020 i don't know how anybody can have any trust now yeah but this is this is there's layer upon layer of regulation and regulation and regulation under the name of law and this has come from the state legislators they're the ones responsible for it and so the underlying premise is statism, that the state is the highest authority, and if they tell you you are not allowed to do something, that is the ultimate law of the land. You cannot resist. There is no civil disobedience.
Starting point is 02:15:14 You bow to the state and serve them. So let's just start with that. Amos Miller sells raw cream, raw butter. That is illegal. The state under no conditions right now would allow anybody to do that. Not even as a private club? You can't do it that way, right? Well, apparently not, and that's the whole issue here.
Starting point is 02:15:33 Amos Miller is going to argue, and I think he has a very strong case, that this food is not being sold at the grocery stores. This is a very informed purchase here that a buyer is coming to buy this product, and they know the risks. They are taking, if there are any risks, they're taking those risks, and they're buying the food. Now, just to show the absurdity of these laws, in Pennsylvania, it's illegal to sell raw butter for human consumption. It's not illegal to sell it for pet consumption. So there are many farmers that will sell raw butter and they'll specifically state on their website, well, we're not allowed to sell this for human use because of the Pennsylvania
Starting point is 02:16:09 state law, but we've produced it to human standards, but we can only sell it as pet food based on the PA law. Now, does anybody think that people are taking these layers and layers of man-made law seriously when that is what's happening? It's like ivermectin, isn't it? It's like ivermectin. Hey, you're a horse, horse right and a lot of people did have to resort to the animal version of it because they were shutting down your ability to get something that they had already approved and it was just being used for an off-label use which they allow all the time if physicians maybe you could get uh chris maybe you could get some help uh from an organization i think it's called a planned parenthood they always talk my body, my choice. Maybe they would get on this thing. I ought to be able to make a choice
Starting point is 02:16:49 about what I eat, right? Yeah, and that's the absurdity of this. Isaiah 5 says, what are those who call evil good and good evil, with darkness for light and light for darkness? Pennsylvania has become somewhat of a sanctuary state for murder. People are coming here out of state to slaughter their children, and the state is seemingly fine with that, but yet we can't decide to buy a stick of raw butter or a tub of raw butter or a pint of raw cream. And while you're mentioning that, it makes me think of this trial at the Center for Medical Progress,
Starting point is 02:17:22 and they were showing the trafficking of body parts. It was Fauci and the NIH that was buying a lot of body parts through Planned Parenthood, and they were sending them to the University of Pittsburgh where they were using them to create transhumanized mice. I mean, it is amazing, isn't it? So that's kind of the background, unfortunately. I'm sure that Lancaster County is a great place,
Starting point is 02:17:41 and I'm sure that it's nice having a lot of Amish neighbors who mind their own business work hard and don't try to control everybody else but boy I tell you the rest of the state is really gone down that path haven't they it's just amazing well yeah well the thing is Lancaster County is I would say being targeted yeah by big government by the liberals it represents something of you know freedom and liberty that the heritage and tradition here in lancaster county yeah and if the liberals and the big government republicans to me there seem to be the same at this point if they can you know turn lancaster county into the statist hellhole you know then the rest of the state you know is falling
Starting point is 02:18:22 behind and the rest of pennsylvania but i I think this is a pattern that we're going to see repeated elsewhere. Because as you see people start to break away from the Democrat-controlled cities and the highly regulated and do, you know, create their own communities where they grow their own food and all the rest of the stuff, this type of thing is going to be happening in every other state. It's not going to just be limited to Pennsylvania. They're coming up with some tactics that they're going to apply
Starting point is 02:18:47 across the country and see if this stuff works. So this is a very important precedent, even though it's a state level. It's a very important precedent because they'll replicate this if they're successful. That's right, and I think that's why they're coming after Amos so hard because he represents an escape from big food, big pharma, statism, the nanny state. And if Amos Miller is allowed to do this, um, that will just grow. The interesting thing is many of Amos's customers, most of them are not Amish. Uh, they're what we
Starting point is 02:19:14 call English, the English people here, you know, the non Amish and, and he, he represents an escape from, you know, the government controlled food supply. Now, you know, you mentioned very briefly that this is not just about lancaster county it's not in fact uh i think they're using the amish as an example to the rest if they can get the amish to bow um you know the rest of us are we're done for there was recently a case yesterday another amish farmer here in lancaster county no this isn't the topic of the show but very briefly he was selling rifles and shotguns without a federal license, which, interestingly, is not even against federal law. However, if there's an imaginary line, if you sell too many, then you've broken this imaginary law.
Starting point is 02:19:54 He was threatened with jail time. He almost got put into jail. He ended up getting three years probation and a $35,000 fine for selling rifles and shotguns to his neighbors. So they're coming after the Amish. They're coming after the non-Amish. And as long as people roll over and take it, they're going to keep going. The nanny state will not stop until they control everything, not just what you eat, what you wear, what time you go to bed.
Starting point is 02:20:18 It'll just continue. Yeah. Yeah. And that's the key thing. The Amish are a real pain to them because they've got their own lives that they want to live, and they don't really pay any attention to this micromanagement of every detail of their life. And so by being separate and coming out from this, which a lot of us aspire to do, and to have communities that are going to be separated to some degree
Starting point is 02:20:44 and not completely captured by this large system here. They are really the tip of the spear, I think, and it is amazing to see what is happening with this. But tell us a little bit more about some of these other regulations besides the raw cream and butter. Is that the key issue that even with a private club, they don't want raw cream and butter? What about milk?
Starting point is 02:21:08 I guess that is included as well. Is that totally prohibited as well? Yeah, that's the next level. So raw milk is not illegal. It's interesting. You have Russell Redding, the Pennsylvania Department of Agriculture guy, who is really behind a lot of this. And he was speaking about this. And he said, well, in Pennsylvania,
Starting point is 02:21:29 we're a raw milk state. We allow you peasants down there to drink raw milk. So in some states, it's illegal to sell raw milk. In Pennsylvania, it's not illegal to sell raw milk. We can thank our nanny overlords for giving us the freedom to drink milk from a cow. But of course, they regulate it heavily. They want to be involved in it. And of course, there's some money behind that as well. If there's not a big industry, they don't really want to regulate it. They don't really care. Just as a side note, Amos's meats, when he was having the issue with his meats, there was no problem with him butchering his own water buffalo because water buffalo is not regulated in the U S because there aren't enough farmers for it to be worth the government's time. So it's not really about money. It's just about what legislator has put on some bill to make them feel good at night so they can send out their constituent email saying they're keeping
Starting point is 02:22:12 you safe. But raw milk is legal to sell in Pennsylvania if you follow all the government regulations, if you basically agree and consent to follow whatever the government says about food, and then they're going to get into your facility. They're going to be doing these inspections. Now, again, Amos Miller is not against testing. He has his own testing. He has his own quality control. But I just believe, and Amos' customers believe, that we, the consumers, are more competent to make our food choices than the government, than the nanny state. So the thing is, and this is what's very frustrating, is not only, you know, they make it like Amos Miller's the only one out there not following the rules. One, as I mentioned, you have these other farmers who are selling raw cream, raw butter as pet food.
Starting point is 02:22:52 Amos doesn't want to do that. I mean, I think he understands why they're doing it. He doesn't want to be dishonest like that. He says, no, I'm selling this for people to eat. And that's what God has called me to do. And I'm going to keep doing it. But when it comes to the raw milk, he has his own standards of quality control. Of course, the CDC for years, they've been villainizing raw milk. It's this
Starting point is 02:23:11 horrible thing. People are going to get sick and die. There's no evidence that any of Amos' milk has killed anyone. There was this one specious claim that someone who may have consumed his milk died. The woman had cancer, of of course a terrible thing she had cancer she had a stroke prior to even moving in with someone who may have had some of amos's milk this stuff is so specious it's so thin um but it's all done in the name of well we're going to keep you safe meanwhile um the fda approves 10 000 chemical additives different additives to the food many of which by the way have been banned in Europe because they've been associated with cancer or developmental problems. But those things are okay. You know, the government says, hey, it's fine if you have all these additives, but you can't
Starting point is 02:23:52 make the decision to buy your raw milk from a farmer. You can go and shake his hand. I can go to Amos's farm. I can walk through his facility. Good night. Have I tried to do that at Kraft or Tyson? I said, hey, I i'm here i'm a customer i want to walk through for they'd say no way security is showing you the door i can do that with amos miller i can shake his hand i can see his facility and then you have these you know these big producers and i'm not saying all of them do this but i've heard stories where you know the government regulates it there can be no bacteria well obviously there's always bacteria and everything but they set these standards uh there's this bacteria and everything, but they set these standards. If there's this bacteria count, then your milk is not fit for consumption.
Starting point is 02:24:29 So what some of these producers will do, they'll add chemicals to their milk that does not trip any wires for the regulators, but it knocks down the bacteria count. And then that's the stuff that is put on the grocery store shelves. Many of us say, we want the raw food, we want the microbes, we want the bacteria. That is our choice. I mean, I could go out and smoke 20 packs of cigarettes a day, but I can't buy raw milk or raw meat and consume it how I want. Again, this is statism. It's the nanny state.
Starting point is 02:24:54 That's what's behind this, ultimately. You need to follow all our regulations, because if you don't, we're all going to get sick and die. And unfortunately, people still believe that, that the government is competent, as if God had authorized the government to take care of our food choices for us. Yeah. Yeah. And it really does rhyme with what we just saw in the last couple of years, doesn't it? You got a woman there that had milk. She died. She had cancer and all this kind of stuff, but perhaps she died with milk, not from milk, but with milk, you know, as we've seen with all these people in the so-called COVID pandemic, know but uh you mentioned the water buffalo i thought that was a it was a few years
Starting point is 02:25:30 ago um i guess maybe about six or seven years ago i interviewed a farmer uh who um was up in michigan and he had a different breed of pig uh they were not wild pigs but but they did have hair on them, and they were free-range pigs. And they were from Europe, and they were red meat. They weren't white meat. And he said, you know, when you compare this to the hairless pigs that are white meat that are grown in the factories and all the rest of this stuff, he goes, these pigs are really, really healthy. But they came in, and they wanted to shut that whole thing down, and he had a long fight with them over that because, as you pointed out, they don't want people to have food choice. They don't want people to have a choice of having clean food. And just like the bacteria, so many of the additives that they put into the food when they're processing it in the factories are just to make it work through the machines.
Starting point is 02:26:17 And so you get the stuff that's basically there, not for any health purpose at all, but it's there to facilitate the foaming or whatever. And so you're getting these foaming agents and you're consuming that stuff as if it were food. That's right. And this is the problem again, whenever we add to, I mean, God's law is so good. When we add to it and start saying man can make all these other rules, it always ends up favoring the big corporations who are in bed with the government. And I mean, you know this, Mr. Knight. I mean, the government wants to tell us, hey, we're going to tell you what to eat to keep you healthy.
Starting point is 02:26:54 And then when you get sick, of course, I don't know why we'd get sick eating all this food with the chemicals and additives from the commercial. But when we do get sick, then you go to the hospital, which that's a bad decision, I'd say. But once you're in there, now the government's going to tell you how to get better. And this is, of course, this is most maddening. And with children, you know, the government comes in and says, well, we're going to tell you how you have to, you know, medicate your child. Thankfully for adults, there's still some freedom, but the government would still, if they have their way,
Starting point is 02:27:21 they'll keep us healthy. But then when we inevitably get sick, they'll tell us how to get better. They want nothing more than for us to be sick, you know, dependent individuals who go to work, pay our taxes, which we don't have a choice, pay our taxes and then die once we retire. So we don't need the government to take care of us anymore. And people are, people are saying, you know what, this is not the ideal of freedom and liberty that this nation was founded on. It wasn't a perfect founding, but we had this idea that we were to be free to make our own choices. And biblically, we should only be punished for evil, not for going to my neighbor and buying a gallon of raw milk. And so that's what we have here. This is a battle of religious worldviews. Is this state God, or has God given us responsibility
Starting point is 02:28:06 and a very limited role to civil government? And I play frequently a clip from 2019, I think it was around May, where there was this idea, oh, we got measles that are out there, so everybody's got to get the MMR shot. And Trump, you know, we're going to take away all of the religious exemptions and medical exemptions for kids. You've all got to get it. It's going around.
Starting point is 02:28:26 That's what he had to say. So, yeah, we are all subservient to the state when it comes to all these different things they claim. And this is really the heart of the issue, as you point out, of statism and tyranny. Two different words, but really they essentially two sides of the same coin that is rolling out there. When they came into Amos Miller's farm and they seized the property, of course, they're taking that before he's been found guilty of anything, right?
Starting point is 02:28:52 Before he has any trial. They're just going in and confiscating his stuff, right? That's right, yeah. So much for innocent until proven guilty. They came in there. They would not even allow Amos Miller to see, allow him to see what they were doing. So now they go in there with a search warrant, all under the authority of the Department of Agriculture, that unfortunately, the state
Starting point is 02:29:12 legislators, they pass it off and say, well, now we've given this authority to them. And Amos Miller, you know, he can't even be there and see what they're doing. I don't know what they did in there. I mean, I'm not going to, I can't say, but I don't know. I mean, did they bring anything? Did they track anything in with them? You know, I have no idea. And no one was able to witness it. So yeah, they, they, and then they seize his property, right? At least some of it. And then they detain in place, I'd say thousands of food items.
Starting point is 02:29:39 I mean, just understand the absurdity of this. Again, you have a nation where babies are being slaughtered at Planned Parenthood. Kids are having their genitals chopped off for transgenderism. People are going hungry. You know, food pantries across the nation are struggling. And that's because when you have this monopoly of food, if something goes wrong, the whole food system crumbles. If you have individual farmers who are sustainably raising their animals you don't have that collapse but we have that we have food shortages and here's a man who's feeding his neighbors and the state says they come in and slap stickers on his product saying you can't sell this you can't even move
Starting point is 02:30:15 this i mean this is straight out of a communist playbook the government the government's coming in saying you're not allowed to feed your neighbors while people are going hungry you know americans need to wake up to what's going on here. Yeah, and I've talked many times about civil asset forfeiture, where they say, well, I have a rule. You didn't violate a law. If you violate a law, you have to have due process. And so you've got to have a trial, and you've got to be found guilty, and then we can take your stuff. But we're saying this is a rule that comes from a bureaucracy, so we can just take it.
Starting point is 02:30:42 And they steal people's cash. They steal their cars and other things like that. But this is happening with a lot of different bureaucracies. They're all doing this. It's not just the DEA or the sheriffs who are doing that. This is a very, very common tactic that is becoming ubiquitous. And so we don't really have any due process anymore. We don't have taxation without representation.
Starting point is 02:31:03 We have regulation without representation. We've got confiscation without being found guilty or even charged with a crime. And so this is the really concerning thing about it as well. The fact that this this food should not be off limits to people, but then the fact that they can come in and use these Gestapo tactics and there's not really any answer to it. Let's talk a little bit about your book, Scattering the Sheep. As I said, this was sent to me by a listener. I've read from the foreword by Matt Troella because I've interviewed Matt several times about his Doctrine of the Lesser Magistrate. I really like that book, and I really like your book as well. Give people an idea of
Starting point is 02:31:42 it's the closing of the American church in 2020. That was something that truly astounded me. And I know it astounded you as well, because you wrote a book about it. What are your comments about the closing of the church in 2020? Yeah. I mean, there's so much there. I mean, that's a topic that for me and many others were extremely discouraged by the lack of leadership in the church. And this actually ties in very closely to the Amos Miller thing when it comes to the character of our leaders. These were men, leaders in the church who had said before, they had lauded the Christians in the past who had stood firm, who had defied tyranny, who had refused to stop meeting. We think of the
Starting point is 02:32:25 pilgrims who came to America. King James over in England told them they weren't allowed to meet in their home churches. They had to go to his church. They defied that. They said, we have a higher law here that we are going to follow. And then along came COVID, and these churches, these pastors, they crumbled. And they basically, I mean, the main indictment in that book is that these pastors said, we will not meet with our sheep. One, because the state said so, or two, because we think it might put you in danger. It was this nanny state mentality that we have so long been imbibed in the state. We've been brainwashed into the statism, and it's seeped over into the church where the pastors would say, we're going to make the decision for you whether
Starting point is 02:33:09 or not it's safe for you to leave your home. We would meet with you maybe, but it's not safe for you. So the church shut down for weeks and weeks and months in many cases. Now, there were faithful churches, but I don't know how much time we have have but one of my concerns that i address in that book as well is the whitewashing that happened later that's a big part of the book these big time pastors like john macarthur who who's coming out now and saying you know shame on those pastors who shut down uh when john macarthur was the one who led the way in shutting down um and he never repented of it um but these pastors would say you know they laud the heroes of the past, and then they don't live it out. It's the same thing with these Republican representatives who laud the founding fathers, the Boston Tea Party, but won't lift a finger against tyranny now.
Starting point is 02:33:55 So it's the same thing as it is in the culture, so it is in the church. And probably it started in the church, and the culture is just downstream from the church. Yeah, I talked about it the other day. George Barna looked at the state of the church. He does all these surveys. I'm sure you're familiar with it, where he asks people what their religious beliefs are, and then he asks them what they do in their life and that type of thing. And part of that survey in 2023 was to look at pastors and it's like, so how do you feel
Starting point is 02:34:21 about what you're doing? How do you feel about your call? How do you feel about your church? How do you feel about your church? And is it growing? And are you confident about this? And all of that just took a nosedive with all that lockdown. Because they looked at it, and I think they and a lot of church members in the churches that did lockdown looked at it and said, this is, people don't really believe this.
Starting point is 02:34:44 You know, they're afraid of uh dying they're afraid of disease they're afraid of man but they're not afraid of god right and so always in the past we've had and i remember when this was happening uh after about a week of it i had john rapaport on and and we were talking about this and said you know the churches have got to lead the way to get out of this thing this is phony we got to stop this and said, you know, the churches have got to lead the way to get out of this thing. This is phony. We've got to stop this. And I remember John saying, Easter is coming up. If we could get the churches to come back for Easter, that's their big day.
Starting point is 02:35:15 You know, they know that a lot of people in the community are going to come in on Easter that don't normally come in. If they could open up for that and everybody could see what a sham this is and that nobody is dying that would be a huge issue but they didn't and that was one of the things that was really crushing i think to a lot of people i interviewed people i remember a pastor in a small town in illinois where the governor was pritzker uh and they were threatening them and they were threatening to send in the state police to shut their church down but they met met anyway. And he had the local sheriff was a member of the church, and he got all his deputies around the church, and they were going to intervene and interpose and keep them from shutting that church down. So there were all different types of approaches. And I've talked to
Starting point is 02:35:58 some pastors who have said, yeah, you know, I thought that it was something that I needed to do, and I would never, ever do it again. And they have repented of it, and they are more awake about that as well. I think one of the ones, James, I think it was James Coates that was up in Canada, one of the things he said before they arrested him and took him off to jail for keeping his church open, was he said, I wish I had known more about church history and about political history, and I would have been able to see through this deception better. And so, you know, he admitted that he was wrong, and he said, I'm never going to do
Starting point is 02:36:34 that again. And I think that's the key thing, and I think that's why it's key to, you know, what you're talking about in your book. We need to understand just how serious this is, because I think you and I both know, Chris, that this isn't the end of it. It's going to come back and they're going to have some other thing to scare us with. And we have to react to this, I think, in the way that Christians of old did. And they said, well, you know, I may die, but I'm not going to shut everything down. That's right. Yeah. I mean, you make some great points there.
Starting point is 02:37:04 And there have been pastors who have repented. Now, this is a very important point, though, that I try to make in the book. There are many other pastors who have not repented, and they'll say things like, well, if I knew now what I knew then, maybe I would have stayed open. Or, you know what, in hindsight, you know, hindsight's 20-20, you know, and maybe we could have done things differently. I've spoken with these pastors, some of them personally, and I'm very concerned that that is not repentance. It is not repentance to say, well, maybe I could have done a better job. I have a statement in there from a pastor who did repent, you know, you know some, and it's a statement of what I did was wrong. I don't have the authority to tell the sheep
Starting point is 02:37:43 they can't meet. And I address objections in that book. People say, well, what about this? And what about that? But you're right. Something else is going to come up. And the best that I've gotten from some of these people is, well, if that exact thing happens again, I probably would do it differently. But they are still saying, you know what? It's not going to be the exact same thing next time. It's going to be something different. That's right. And since their worldview is so infiltrated with stasis i mean and i know i'm hard on on john mccarthur he's a public figure here he shut down for months and he said he was like well i i don't know what to do because i got the state governor saying this i got the state
Starting point is 02:38:19 legislature saying this i got the county saying this i got the president president trump saying this and he was i have no idea what to do to me, that was demonstrative of the problem. And it started long before 2020, when these churches and these pastors had spent no time thinking about the application of God's law word to the civil realm. And then when something like this happens, they're like, well, I don't know what to do. Who's in charge? And if you have the right biblical worldview, you know, okay, well, I know how to handle this. God's law word is supreme. If God tells us to meet as the pastor of all people, I will be here with my flock. And anybody who wants to gather with me, I will
Starting point is 02:38:56 publicly stand in the name of Jesus Christ and meet with you, even if it costs me my life. And I'm afraid that, and that's why I wrote that book, I'm afraid that while there have been some good things happening, that many pastors still have kind of now just kind of morphed, you know, with the winds. Well, now it's popular to say you oppose the COVID lockdowns, but we need people to stand when it's not popular, and it's not going to be COVID next time, it's going to be something else. And if you still have this statist mentality, this misinterpretation of Romans 13 that says, well, whatever the government tells you to do, you got to do, then we're going to have problems again. And the point of that book is to try to say, hey, I don't think we've completed our repentance as the institutional church or the
Starting point is 02:39:37 American church from 2020. There's still more work to do if we want to be ready for the next thing. Oh, I agree. Yeah. And as you said, they haven't thought this thing through in advance or they had the wrong perspective on this. I remember when this was all happening and the vaccine mandates from Biden were coming out. And I remember Todd Friel, and I played his clips and criticized it significantly. He said, look, if the government tells me to wear pinwheels on my head, I'm going to wear pinwheels on my head, I'm going to wear pinwheels on my head. I don't know. Has he ever changed his tin on that and said, you know, I was wrong about that? Or is he still got that bad theology that Todd Friel has?
Starting point is 02:40:16 Yeah, I don't know if he's changed his mind or not, but that is demonstrative of the John MacArthur, you know, misinterpretation of Romans 13. Whatever they say will do. I mean, and I've talked to pastors here locally who shut down their church and they told me,Arthur, you know, misinterpretation of Romans 13, whatever they say will do. I mean, and I've talked to pastors here locally who shut down their church and they told me, well, you know, only a couple of families left when I opened back up again. So it couldn't have been that bad. And I'm just thinking, this is maddening. Your role as a pastor is to lay down your life for the sheep and to be there for them. And you know, this, this is your worldview that whatever the government says we do, I mean, if the do. I mean, where does that end? And if you have a poor biblical worldview,
Starting point is 02:40:49 if you don't go to the Bible as a standard, it doesn't end with the government saying the church has to shut down. The government tells you what you have to teach your kids. We're not too far from that. I mean, Germany, you can't homeschool your kids. Where does it end? Would these pastors who are so influenced by statism say that it would be also wrong to refuse to send your kids to a demonic institution of learning? And if the
Starting point is 02:41:12 government tells you to, so there's so much here that needs to be corrected. And unfortunately, I think we've moved on from 2020 without really addressing the underlying worldview issues. And I think that's true. I think that's true in every aspect of our life. I think everybody's like, you know, that was a really uncomfortable thing. Let's just move on. I was just playing the other day. Luke Krodowski had on Tim pool and he had Laura Loomer and he says, so can't we just
Starting point is 02:41:39 have, can't Trump just say he did it wrong and apologize and say, he's not going to do it again and we're going to fix this. And, and, and they went ballistic and Tim pool just starts swe did it wrong and apologize. He's not going to do it again. And we're going to fix this. And they went ballistic. And Tim Pool just starts swearing and screaming and goes, I'm so sick of this. That was four years ago. And so Trump did a thing. Let's move on. But of course, he wants to focus on the election stuff as well.
Starting point is 02:41:56 And that's the key thing. Nobody wants everybody is like, OK, that was a really horrible time. I would like to just forget about that and never think about it again. But as you point out, it's going to happen again. And we have to think about this. And many people were thinking about that interpretation of Romans 9 long before that. And I think they got it right, and it helped them to get through this. But even more than that, and even more than just shutting down a church, you know, Chris, when I was a young child, and I've told this story before to my audience,
Starting point is 02:42:28 I was about four or five years old. I got tummy poisoning. They thought that I had spinal meningitis. They put me in isolation. They wouldn't even let my parents in. But the pastor came in and he risked his life because, you know, everybody was like, oh, this day, you know, and I was in quarantine, but he went through quarantine to talk to me. And I've thought about that, especially in 2020.
Starting point is 02:42:47 And when you look at that, you look at the sincerity of his belief. That's what people are looking for. And that's what they don't see. What they saw was a cynical, self-interested church that had no faith in God or their destiny. And it's been destructive. It's more than a couple of families that have left. It has really eviscerated the church, hasn't it? Yeah, you're right.
Starting point is 02:43:20 It is devastating. It was a great opportunity for the church to demonstrate that this life is not all that matters. You know, I mentioned in that book and another book I wrote called Essential Service that you look at the past and these plagues that happened in the early church, and the Christians were, it was so otherworldly for the pagans around them to see the Christians care for the sick, not just their own, their fellow Christians, but the unbelievers. And the pagans, they were afraid of death because they don't have Christ. You just live in fear. But the Christians had a higher hope. And many of them did die, but they died knowing that they were serving Christ. And we blew that opportunity as a whole, the church as a whole. There were some
Starting point is 02:44:03 faithful ones, and I thank God for them. They're the ones that should be now look to as examples, not John MacArthur who shut down for four months. That's a big frustration that I have, but there were some faithful ones who did that and they stood firm, but overall they didn't. And like you said, people just want to move on now and say, well, you know what? Let's just kind of, let's just forgive, you said, people just want to move on now and say, well, you know what, let's just forgive and forget what happened there.
Starting point is 02:44:28 And we can't do that. I mean, there's definitely a place for forgiveness if people repent, absolutely. But we can't forget what happened. And we have to understand why it happened. And just as importantly, we have to understand how it's being presented now to justify the shutdown of churches for months and months. And of all people, the pastors ought to understand the importance of repentance and of coming to terms with what had happened. Just before you came on, I played a clip of a lady, and there was a couple of interviews of people who were at the March for Life,
Starting point is 02:44:59 and they were talking about the experiences that they had with abortion and how that had haunted them and finally come to terms with forgiveness, with repentance and that type of thing. But, you know, that is a part of the Christian experience. We're all going to make mistakes. We're all going to sin. We're all going to have bad theology in one area or the other. But we're constantly trying to improve that, to admit those mistakes, to repent from those mistakes. And that is an even more devastating thing. And I think that's the importance of your book is to call people to repentance and to change because, you know, that is a part of reconciliation and it has tremendous consequences for the future if they don't do that. And they can't really pastor the sheep if they can't come to terms with their own flaws and their own mistakes and admit those.
Starting point is 02:45:52 We always see that from Christian leaders, that they're not perfect, but they admit those mistakes and correct them. That's right, yeah. You mentioned abortion, and one of the great tragedies in the Christian witness against this slaughter of the pre-born is that we don't call it sin. And you have these people saying, well, we can't call that sin. But the women and the men who have been involved in the murder of children, when they come to see it as sin, then they can finally repent of it and find healing in Christ. If you don't call it sin, you can can finally repent of it and find healing in Christ. If you don't call it sin, you can never find healing for it. If you're always justifying it, you'll never be able to
Starting point is 02:46:31 be healed of it. And it's the same thing with the church shutting down. I mean, I've spoken with these pastors and I have some of that in the book that they won't admit that it was sin because if they admit that it was sin, then they have to humble themselves and repent of it. And so they can just simply paint it as, well, we did the best we had, you know, with the information we had. But that's not good enough. You know, we had the Bible. Everybody had the Bible. Everybody had the same church history books. We knew what God's word called us to do, and many of them didn't do it. And they're refusing to call it sin, and therefore they are preventing themselves from repenting, because if you don't call it sin, what do I need to repent of? Eh, maybe I could have
Starting point is 02:47:11 done it better. Eh, yeah, shut down the church for several weeks. Whatever. Maybe I'll do it differently next time. That's not repentance. God won't bless that. Darrell Bock That's right. Yeah, and the public is not fooled by that either. They look at it and they say, this is very hypocritical, right? This guy is not living out what he says he believes in. Again, anybody can make a mistake. Anybody can be wrong. Anybody can sin.
Starting point is 02:47:33 But you have to come to terms with it. And if you just kind of blow it off, that's even more damaging. And so the damage continues. And that's why I look at it from a political standpoint as well. By just continuing to move on and not make any corrections, not make any reforms, not admit any mistakes, they are making this much, much worse because it is going to happen again politically. But from a Christian standpoint, as you said, you know, when plagues were going around, people didn't hide out. They went ahead and did what they could to help their fellow man. They understood what they needed to do, and they left the consequences to God, and they were fine
Starting point is 02:48:10 with that. And so that is really, it is that kind of approach is really going to be the only thing that is going to save us in the future. We have to not be afraid of what they're doing. And if we're afraid in all these different areas, if we're afraid of sickness or of fines or of government or men, we are going to be at their mercy. And so that is a key thing. You know, again, it comes back to fearing God and trying to make that correct. A great book for people to read. And thank you so much for what you're doing there. And keep us informed as things happen. I'll keep a lookout for your reports as well from the Lancaster
Starting point is 02:48:51 Patriot, is that correct? I got it right here, got buried. The LancasterPatriot.com, yep, that's correct. Okay, good, good. So everybody check that out. Again, the book is Scattering the Sheep. We didn't talk about your biblical principles for voting. Just give us a quick overview of that. That's a book that did not just come out like this one, but that's been around for a while since we're going through the primary stuff here.
Starting point is 02:49:13 What do people do? Everybody's saying to me, well, you don't like this one, you don't like that one. Who do you like? And I try to steer them towards local elections because I feel like that's the only place where we really got any choice. And I think that's where we got the biggest opportunity to make a difference. What do you think about biblical principles for voting?
Starting point is 02:49:36 Yeah, yeah. That book was written maybe 2020 as well. There's another book that came out in between called Seven State of Sins. That's a more recent one. If you're interested in learning about what does the Bible say about the government and what are all the ways the government is going beyond what God has ordained, check out that book, Seven State of Sins. It goes well with Vogue Christian. To give a brief answer to your question, I would agree with you. We have a ton of focus on the federal level, and really the tyranny is happening at the local level. If we have local magistrates who are righteous and just, then we could have some interposition here, and we could stand against some of the federal tyranny. But as it stands now, the state and federal and the local are all, you know, in bed together with statism.
Starting point is 02:50:19 But my main point in that book, Vote Christian, is that Exodus 18.21 calls us to vote for men who fear God, who hate a bribe. You know, these are men who love justice. The Bible says that the wicked do not understand justice. And I just try to lay out the case there that God's word does speak to the qualifications of civil magistrates. And that's a big time people say, well, no, you know, we're not voting for a pastor here. So you just vote for whoever you, the most pragmatic. And I say, yeah, of course we're not voting for a pastor, but the law word of God tells us that there are requirements if you are to rule in the fear of God and to rule justly, and that can only be defined by God's word. And so that's, you know, that I wasn't popular with a lot of people. You know,
Starting point is 02:51:05 they were very afraid of Hillary Clinton and understand and said, well, you know, Donald Trump, he's going to be the one to save us. I had a different take on it. I think we're going to, we're going to hear the same thing again. But just keep in mind, you know, again, you mentioned, you know, was it operation warp speed and who started the whole covid uh response um you know character character matters we don't have to agree with somebody from a theological standpoint but character does matter and uh and if somebody is of a low moral character as i've said many times i said what made you think he's going to obey his oath to the constitution when he not only disobeys his marriage vows, but he brags about it and parades his sin. I said, this is obviously a person of no moral character, and you can't put them in an office of trust.
Starting point is 02:51:54 You know? Right. Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead. Sorry. Character matters and also a correct understanding of the role of civil government matters. And that's what that book, Vote Christian, and then my other book, Seven State of Sins, deal with,
Starting point is 02:52:07 that we have gotten away from the biblical role of government, and it's grown into this huge status, gargantuan beast. And we have to start pulling back from this, because it just goes on and on and on. And we think voting for the next, well, this person, because the Republicans are taking us down the road of to statism maybe not as fast as the democrats but they're doing it and i think it's more dangerous because they're doing it almost imperceptibly so we have this false sense of security that okay well at least we don't have biden again and so you know we're going to go
Starting point is 02:52:38 into statism just a little slower and then where are we going to be when my children grow up and we're going to have more statism more man-made, more tyranny, and the people will be lulled into it, like the frogs being boiled in the water. That's why my argument in the book is, vote on principle, leave the rest to God. Because this is, and one analogy I use, you have in the Old Testament, the Babylonians are coming to judge Israel. And Jeremiah is there saying, look, this is what we deserve. God's bringing this judgment. We need to accept this judgment. And the people say, no, we got to run to Egypt.
Starting point is 02:53:13 Egypt, they're not as bad as the Babylonians. They'll save us. And Jeremiah says, look, that's not going to help you. And I think that's what we do in the political landscape. We say, well, this is really bad over here. The Democrats, and they are, they're horrible. They're, you know, villainous. They want to murder babies.
Starting point is 02:53:30 Wicked, wicked group. And we say, well, the Republicans will save us. And yet they're not honoring Christ either. And so we've just turned to another enemy of Christ and we think it's going to give us deliverance and it doesn't. We need a complete transformation, shall I say revolution
Starting point is 02:53:45 of the character of the people in this nation if we're going to see justice administered that's right yeah and i think that we need to speak out and say you know we need to see some people of character and i think that's why we have we have a better certainly not always an opportunity but we have a better chance of uh seeing a broader spectrum spectrum and finding somebody of character that we can vote for at a local election or, you know, get some local neighbors to do it or run for it ourselves or something like that at the local election. But we just have to take what, you know, these Egyptians are giving us. And we've got Egyptians on both sides that are, that are, you know, that are out there. But I agree with what you said about 2020 and i said that myself i said is it more dangerous uh for us to um have biden who is going to ramp this stuff up and everybody
Starting point is 02:54:30 knew he's going to try to mandate the vaccines or is it going to be more dangerous for trump to do it in a very subtle way and especially because we got the media that is going to any lengths to try to excuse what he had to say there was was an article that I just saw yesterday, and they said, look at this, no matter how many people are dying from these injections, the Democrats just can't see it. And of course, this is a publication that talks about the poisoning, but it doesn't talk about who created the poisoning. And I said, and so we got the Democrats who can't see what is happening with the poison,
Starting point is 02:55:10 but we got the Republicans who do see the poisoning and they're dishonest enough that they want to attribute it to Trump. I said, which one is worse? Is it worse to be deceived and not understand what is going on or is it worse to know what is going on and then to cover up for it?
Starting point is 02:55:25 And that's my concern about it. It's crazy. Well, it's great talking to you, Chris. And again, it is the Lancaster Patriot, the books Scattering the Sheep, Vote Christian, Biblical Principles for Voting. And so we look forward to what you're doing. You're doing some great work up there in Pennsylvania. Thank you so much for doing that.
Starting point is 02:55:45 Thanks for having me on. Appreciate it. Thank you. All right, folks, we're going to take a quick break. You're doing some great work up there in Pennsylvania. Thank you so much for doing that. Thanks for having me on. Appreciate it. Thank you. All right, folks, we're going to take a quick break. We'll be right back. In a world of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. You're listening to The David Knight Show. Tell Alexa to add the APS Radio skill and have access to the best channels anywhere.
Starting point is 02:56:41 From country to blues, classic hits to news, APS Radio curates incredibly diverse playlists for you to enjoy get details at apsradio.com well you know i mentioned this briefly um early in the week how berkeley which is supposed to be one of the best colleges in the world and they've got a course on video games and this is not how to program video games or something this is how to play video games and as they describe it they said how to quote get good but they spell it as g-i-t g-u-d this is the deliberate dumbing down of our society folks so the the art of fighting games is a course at the university of california berkeley rated the eighth best university in the
Starting point is 02:57:25 world grading for the course is broken down into four parts including attendance you get your participation trophy uh you got to do a little bit of homework there's going to be some fighting tournaments but of course it's not going to be based on merit it's not going to be even though you're going to have fighting tournaments it's not based on the number of games that you win and then a final project where you talk about the history of a specific fighting game character. People are paying $50,000 a year to go to this school. And now if you are in state, the state tuition rate is $15,000, which I think is still too much uh but if you're in state or again an illegal alien because you know illegal aliens uh get in-state tuition in every school uh you get it at a bargain price of only fifteen thousand
Starting point is 02:58:12 dollars a year for that type of thing and then uh where are we headed with all this it's not just the video games and the and it's the uh the the um infantile direction that our society is headed. I talked yesterday about the furries and in Oklahoma, you have a state bill that has been introduced that would require students that are dressed as furries to be removed either by their parents or by animal control. It's taken it back to them. Justin Humphrey put out a house bill to provide for the removal of a student by animal control services,
Starting point is 02:58:48 providing for the codification and providing an effective date. So the parent or guardian can come get them, or we will call animal control. Maybe what you need to do is call the men in white coats. That might be the most effective thing. And then we have Arnold Schwarzenegger. Perhaps you've seen this. He got detained by officials at the German airport over his watch.
Starting point is 02:59:14 When I saw that, I said, so Arnold Schwarzenegger is on a watch list. He had this very expensive watch, $21,000 watch, and he was coming in to auction it off at a charity. Well, it turns out he had to pay duty on this and everything, and I don't know. Maybe the value was artificially inflated because it was Arno's watch. But he's got something called the schwarzenegger climate initiative a republican you know and uh when they auctioned this thing off uh they got over two hundred thousand dollars almost three hundred thousand dollars two hundred ninety three thousand dollars for this watch they he went through customs and claimed that it was worth twenty one thousand
Starting point is 03:00:04 maybe it was worth twenty one thousand and they just upped the price, but, uh, maybe that's why he was on the watch list. I don't know, but this is for a climate charity. And this is a guy who just so desperately wants to be president. It's actually kind of entertaining to know that. No, you never will. Arnold, uh, fortunately for us, uh, though all those dreams have been terminated because he doesn't meet the citizenship requirements.
Starting point is 03:00:28 Uh, but of course, um, neither does Nikki Haley. Uh, and we just looked the other way on these things. So maybe he will run. Who knows?
Starting point is 03:00:36 He thinks that we need somebody that is a, uh, you know, not a girly man. Uh, somebody is really strong like him. He says, um, and of course he makes fun of uh the fact that he was put into handcuffs he makes jokes about uh i was handcuffed oh not at
Starting point is 03:00:54 the not there but with my girlfriend at night yeah this is the guy i guess he figures that you know where he's coming from uh he's just like trump and the the Clintons and the Epsteins and all the rest of them. So of course he should be president. He comes complete with a long list of vices that he could be blackmailed over. Thank you for joining us. Have a good day. The David Knight Show is a critical thinking super spreader. If you've been exposed to logic by listening to The David Knight Show, please do your part and try not to spread it. Financial support or simply telling others about the show causes this dangerous information to spread farther. People have to trust me. I mean, trust the science. Wear your mask. Take your vaccine.
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