The David Knight Show - 26Jan23 David Knight Show

Episode Date: January 26, 2023

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No, we bet more power to you. T's and C's apply 18 plus bet responsibly gambling care. All right. And joining us now is Dwight Mitchell and his organization. Best way to find him is family preservation foundation. Is it.org? Did you say..org. Dwight is somebody it's been a couple of years since i've talked to you dwight and just to let the audience know uh dwight is an excellent source of information about what happens with cps he's got a lot of

information about how to handle it if you've got a a, um, you know, somebody, a family member or, or maybe a, uh, neighbor who doesn't like you or your, or your family, because maybe you're homeschooling or they just don't like you and they sick the CPS on you. You haven't done anything. Your first response is to, well, come on in and investigate. Say, I've got nothing to hide. Uh, he explains why that's not the right approach because that type of thing happened to him.

So he's got a lot of stuff to help you about that. And he's constantly working as, as that type of thing had happened to Dwight. He realized just how big this was. He said at first you think it's just this out of control CPS worker that's there, but this is a nationwide thing, billions of dollars being involved. So thank you for joining us, Dwight. And thank you for telling people, uh, how the right way to handle this thank you thank you for having me david i mean uh i seem to be an activist on most fronts i've been doing cps for the better part of 10 years now most people don't realize

i'm also an nra fire instructor oh because i'm constantly giving classes on that and so i was listening to the program and you know you're talking about gun control and gun violence and just as i've done in cps you know i've gotten to the program and, you know, you're talking about gun control and gun violence. And just as I've done in CPS, you know, I've gotten to the numbers. I'm like, what are the numbers? And when you look at the numbers, the numbers don't belie the story, the propaganda that's being provided by our government. And it's not that I'm anti-government i think it's it's certain people within that institution uh who are not doing what they're designed you know what they're supposed to be doing that's right it's like the politicians that say you know we're going to uphold the constitution the very first thing they do is go in and try and do right the constitution i'm just like well you swore to uphold the constitution the second amendment is in the constitution you know ucps workers you swore to uphold you know your the duties of your

office you know we know about the fourth and the 14th amendment we know about due process so we know about all of these things that's right um just recently this past, which was a huge win for parents in the state of New Jersey, which is where our second office is, is the New Jersey Supreme Court has finally said that CPS workers need to stop taking children away from parents based upon allegations. It has to be based on facts. Parents are not required to show why they should be a parent. It's a presumption of innocence. I mean, the Supreme Court actually had to say if you're accusing a parent

of not being fit, then you must show, through evidence, that this parent is not fit. Not the other way around. A parent doesn't need to show you why they should be allowed to keep their children. And yet that's what we're seeing everywhere. I was talking about that earlier in the program, Dwight.

The fact that because this is coming from a bureaucracy, you've got to prove that you're innocent. You've got to prove that you don't have a virus or something. You've got to prove that you're a good parent to them. And they can just confiscate your car with civil asset forfeiture. They can confiscate your kids and then you got to come back and sue them. There is no presumption of innocence. They shut down due process. They won't talk to, you know, as you've talked about it many times, this is very difficult getting information from CPS to even find out why they came to your house.

Correct. out why they came you know to your house right correct i mean we the last case you know we just finished two in minnesota and that we won and in new jersey won our last case also it's more difficult in minnesota because it still has that old regime but in new jersey you know you can literally come to the prosecutors now and you don't have to say anything you don't have to prove anything they have to provide all the evidence to the court. And then you have the ability to refute it. So that's wonderful progress. Still it's getting people. Our biggest, especially since COVID, but one of the things that we've been very difficult

is getting in front of the parents and getting our message to the parents and getting them not to talk and I get so many calls on a daily basis hundreds and it's like where are you and they'll call three four five months down the road and they'll say but the CPS workers X Y & Z and I'm like but I can't help you now because you've already you know gone into an agreement with the government So any document that you sign from the very first day saying I will work with you I will do whatever it is to get my children back now. You have entered into a formal agreement and When I tell the parents I wish you had contacted us earlier so we could have advised or guide you

You know they said well i did speak to a lawyer i spoke to a public defender and i'm like well he works for the government the same government that's prosecuting you and their goal isn't to defend you anything you say can and will be used against you i mean that's the i was talking about the shooting in houston you know that and you just have the soros uh you, district attorney who is going to try to charge the guy who shot the person who was involved in an armed robbery, you know. And so he's not talking to them. He, you know, he had a lawyer go in and say, yeah, the guy that you're looking for is my client. He's got nothing to say.

He's innocent. Prove it. And that's the way it needs to say. He's innocent. Prove it. And that's the way it needs to go. But the problem is, and this is one of the key things that people need to understand about every government interaction now, is pretty much an interaction with a bureaucracy, a bureaucracy that created the rules, a bureaucracy that has excessive punishment at the end of it, a bureaucracy that says, this isn't a law. This is a rule from us. Therefore, you have no presumption of innocence and you have no protection against excessive punishment or anything else. And, you know, we're going to just assess these things to you. That's what people need to understand. That has now become a common baseline throughout our

government in terms of its interaction. It's been adopted everywhere in the federal government and the state governments as well. They've all taken that approach and it is a complete inversion of the way things are supposed to work, but they've been able to eradicate all due process and constitutional protections by saying, well, we're a bureaucracy and we've got rules, but you only get protection for laws. And that's the thing. And that's why people need to understand you don't participate in this process and you got to just be silent. Even when you say, well, I've got nothing to hide. That's everybody's instinct, but you can't do that. Understood. And I tell my clients that all the time, Dave, you're a hundred percent correct. I'm like, keep quiet. If you need to

consult an attorney, consultant attorney, you can't afford one, still keep quiet. You know, they have to, they have to prove things against you. You don't have to say, well, I can just resolve this with a conversation. I'm like, no, it's a machine. It's a money-making machine. It's a self-preserving machine. They need to have children in order to have jobs. And so I've spoken to many social workers,

and many social workers have come forward saying what you're saying is 100% correct. We will actually put in a recommendation that the child be left at home in the parent's custody. Maybe we'll do some special services. We'll go back and our reports will be overridden by the supervisor. Our supervisor will tell us to change our reports and to recommend the child be removed. And then they find out later on, well, why is this being done? It's being done because based on the Title IV Refunding Act, the only time the states received their 50% allotment from the federal government is when the child is removed from the home on that very first court hearing. So when people say, I don't understand, I'm like,

well, because you don't understand the game that's been put into play. That's right. And it's trying to get that message out. You know, Elon Musk now is coming forward and you're looking at all of the things that are being exposed that, you know, happen behind the scenes. How people are being canceled, how the pharmaceutical companies are saying, don't tell people about natural remedies for health. The same thing is in CPS. It's just like, I have a feeling, and it's just my own personal feeling. We were doing very, very well prior to COVID. We were growing exponentially. We were able to help a lot of parents kovat has come back and turn things on its head

we are still you know helping the parents but i feel quote unquote that i'm being canceled or censored by the government i'm constantly being sent grants and opportunities to obtain money and but whenever i apply for the money i'm told well we decided to give the money to something covid related or you know it's something of that nature i'm just like we decided to give the money to something covet related or you know it's something of that nature i'm just like but you know you still have all these children yeah that need to be represented and that that you've taken from their parents even during covet you know uh yeah what happened with covet i mean you know you've got a situation where everybody's supposed to be afraid of the virus and nobody goes out interacts with anybody and yet

uh the government doesn't seem to have that concern they still go out and interact with people and they're confiscating kids during covid right they were you know they were confiscating kids and it was it was more difficult because now they're trying to do this via zoom so you can't you can't visit your children because your children have been put into a foster home covid restrictions were in place so it was it was a hundred times worse than it was prior to COVID because the parents couldn't visit their children, and then CPS had total control.

And so the judge does everything under the guise of CPS supervision. And so he gives them the ultimate decision. At this year's Cheltenham, glory rests in the lap of the gods. Curses. Alas, our hero hasn't placed. But there are still divine offerings up for grabs, with all NoviBet customers getting a €10 free bet for every day of Cheltenham. And on top of that, we're paying up to seven places each way on selected races throughout the festival.

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of the guys at CPS. So CPS can say, yes, I know the George ordered visitation, but we don't think, you know, visitation is appropriate or in order. So we're not going to allow visitation. And that happens,

you know, quite often also. So during COVID, the parents were just, you know, being hammered and they were separated from their kids, couldn't see their kids. All the hearings were virtual.

And so, you know, they were having problems with the meetings, the parents who weren't, you know, a number of didn't have discretionary income to have these high end laptops and things of that nature to communicate with the course. They're trying to do things virtually on their phones and things of that nature. It was, it was a mess, Dave. And I imagine that, you know, to some of the usual charges, they make a lot of these charges against people homeschool. People say, oh, you know, you're homeschooling your kids.

You must be evil, trying to hide something. I imagine there were a lot of charges brought by CPS against parents because they did not want to get their kids vaccinated as well. That is correct. And what the parents needed to do is, and New Jersey's different than other states you know I'm back in New Jersey from Minnesota I moved back to New Jersey so now I'm finding a whole another regime which is quite different but you had to write a letter at least New Jersey hasn't taken away that religious exemption that New York the New York has said no more exemptions based upon

religion New Jersey still has it so has said no more exemptions based upon religion. New Jersey still has it. So you need to write a letter based upon religious exemptions. So you can still deny vaccinations. But if a doctor recommends it, you know, now you have to go get another doctor to refute it, whatever that vaccination or that you wanted. So if you didn't want your child vaccinated, you could send in a letter for religious resentions. And if you didn't send in the letter, then CPS was at your house saying that, uh, this was not in the welfare, the best interest of the child and parents.

A lot of parents didn't know that school would say you've got to get them vaccinated and then the parents would be like, okay, but I don't want to. And then that's when the fight with cps commences yeah yeah i remember when that happened back in may of 2019 oh we got measles going around and trump said yeah they got to get vaccinated i don't care if it's a private religious school they still got to get vaccinated so you know it's going around so we really got to do this and um you know it was uh basically new york i think and in california that we're doing that, uh, coercing everybody, um, over that. So at your site, you have, uh, I think some instructional videos that you still have there talking about how to interact if, um, uh, CPS, uh, comes to your house.

Is that correct? That's correct. You know, the number one thing that we say, so I put together the CPS, uh, and instructional training guides for parents it's there are 11 videos out there now with PDF handouts so if they go into YouTube I have a link on the website just to download the PDF or it is also the link is in the YouTube video but each video tells parents what to do when CPS comes knocking at your door so it's from the

very first meeting all all the way through determinancy proceedings um the people we've been the most successful with are people uh who are not afraid the minute cps knocks on their door they're scourging the internet looking for information and they contact us those are people we can really help because they look at the videos and say okay here's what i'm not supposed to do right away and and here's how i fight cps here's how i counter cps uh and so a lot of people have provided accolades as it relates to that information and just things they just didn't know which apply across the nation as it relates to due process and what they should and should not say if CPS comes knocking at

the door. Yeah. And of course you're focused on, on the front end of the process. You talked about how much money there is that is being released to them. If they get custody of the child, you know, the federal government rewards that financially. And, um, I remember in the early days of homeschooling, you know, homeschool legal defense association, because there were so many people that were getting, uh, CPS called

on them because they were homeschooling, you know, be the, you know, the school system would call CPS on them or a thing or neighbors or something like that. And they would give them the same advice and say, you know, don't talk to anybody, uh, uh, you know, say, I'm going to call my lawyer and call us, that type of thing. But, you know, that's on the front side. And it's very important for people to understand that before the kids are stolen. But, you know, and that's your focus and that's a good focus. But, you know, as you pointed out, there's so many incentives that are financial just within the government.

But there's a lot of other illicit stuff that happens to kids in custody. We're constantly getting reports, there was one just a couple of months ago about a kid, they had video of it. The person who was with the foster parent thing was trying to encourage a young girl to be a prostitute. And this type of human trafficking is another aspect of it. But people look at it and say, yeah, that's one issue. But there's billions of dollars to be had just from the federal government if you take the kids out. But talk about some of the things that happen to kids under the custody of CPS.

Well, one of the things that happens is that if your child is not vaccinated, so say you don't believe in vaccinations and you have this exemption, one of the first things that CPS does, because they have all of these contracts with doctors and psychiatrists, is that your child gets vaccinated. So if your child is unvaccinated, they will load your child up with vaccines and then they bill back the doctors, you know, go back or rather the doctors build insurance companies will bill back CPF bill you back also. So, you know, you don't have custody and control of your child. You're just still required to keep insurance, give them all of your doctor's information, and then they decide what they are going to do because now they have total custody and control.

They, almost all the children in CPS custody are given psychological counseling or therapy. And so when I question this, I'm like, I don't understand, you know, why are you giving all these children therapy? But we're giving them therapy because we separated the children from their families. And we know that this traumatizes the children. So we have to give them therapy right off the bat because we've removed them from their caregivers. Wow. So, you know. And I imagine that psychological therapy, since we last talked, I imagine that includes a lot of, well, are you sure what gender you are?

You know, look at our chart here. We've got five dozen genders. Which one would you like to be? Psychological therapy, since we last talked, I imagine that includes a lot of, well, are you sure what gender you are? Look at our chart here. We've got five dozen genders. Which one would you like to be? You know, that type of thing, right? Well, there was a, and I can send it to you. It's funny you should say that, though, because now CPS is allowing any kind of couple to Foster and adopt children and so I was I was actually looking at a video where they put an african-american boy who's about five years old with two men to two to game it and

For some unknown reason I don't and I don't know why they were filming this, you know trying to get the child to interact with the man and say well it's okay to have two men and trying to promote this in the end the kid who was a foster kid was having nothing to do with it I found it comical was like get away from me no I'm not gonna hug you I'm not gonna kiss you it's all right first the kiss and the two men were kissing and hugging you can do that and the little boy was like, no way. So I, I wanted,

you know, I saved that because I thought I said, so this is what happens. You're trying to traumatize children under the guys protecting them. That's right. And the boy, the boy is telling them this is not wrong. This is a five year old. So,

you know, literally the, you know, he had some parents who, who were, who were giving him an understanding of that and they took him away and put him with, um, these other people. It is absolutely amazing. Uh, what, what our government has turned into. And again, you know, that wasn't even a thing

when I last, uh, talked to you, you know, but that is now the focus, it seems like of schools and everything else, you know, focus on transitioning kids, telling them that they're in the wrong body and all the rest of the stuff. It's absolutely insane what is happening now. And CPS is taking the kids based upon this. So we're fighting cases like that now, David, which the child will go to the counselor, say, I'm afraid to tell my parents that I'm non-binary or whatever. And then CPS gets involved and says, your child is afraid of you. You know, it's not the best thing for your child.

We will take the child. And now we will give them gender drugs or whatever they want to do because they're over 12 years old and it's their say to do what they want to do with their body. And so now CPS, unbeknownst to the parents, because your kid just went to the counselor and said, you know, I'm feeling X, Y, or Z or non-binary. My high school son was having fits. He graduated two years ago, but, you know, he said, I can't say anything. I don't know what to do. If I say or do anything, I'm in the crosshairs of the administration and in cps and things of that nature so apparently that's another way for cps to come into your house

now is through your children saying i'm afraid to tell my parents x y and z or you know perhaps if if you got a kid who's got his head on straight and he's not going along with the uh the gender grooming and all the rest of this stuff. Oh, well, you know, you must have a family where they're very hateful and intolerant and maybe we need to take you away from that family. It is amazing. When you look at it, all of this stuff really goes back to parental rights.

That is a central issue that is being violated by CPS and the way that they are operating without due process, operating preemptively, and that you're guilty before you're proven innocent. But now this has metastasized the same thing that used to be just located, just CPS primarily. That's now metastasized in the school system at large. Correct. And they are actively, as I pointed out know from portland oregon to portland maine they are actively trying to remove any knowledge of the parents in terms of they start

grooming the kids with gender stuff and don't tell the parents driving that wedge there that the parents find out i want to do something about it now they will bring in cps as you pointed out to to finish this up it is absolutely insidious. For the longest time, you know, Dwight, about... At this year's Cheltenham, glory rests in the lap of the gods. Curses. Alas, our hero hasn't placed. But there are still divine offerings up for grabs,

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And so it sounds like a really positive, what can I talk about children's rights? Well, they posit children's rights as in opposition to parental rights. And if you're going to focus on the children's rights, then basically the parents have no right, and it's going to be the government that is going to be advocating for the children to maintain that they can be independent of the parent. And this UN Convention on the Rights of the Child has been passed by every nation except for the United States. But it was being run through,

you know, when we're talking about 2008, 2009, it was being run through by an activist judiciary. And now you can add to all of that stuff the school bureaucracies as well as CPS. Correct. And what I found equally disturbing is there's been, in conjunction with the U agenda, there's been a parental rights amendment that's come up in committee year after year after year. That was what I was working with was the people trying to push the parental rights amendment. Very simple. It was like

two sentences, one paragraph and everything. And they want to shut that down. And it is a global thing, as I said. The only country that is not formally declared that they're part of this UN convention on the rights of the child is the U S but we have all the judiciary, all the bureaucracies, the educational establishment, they're all focused on that, on enforcing it by de facto. Correct.

And that is, that's, what's been disturbing me because all of the other socialist countries, uh, Norway, Sweden, all of the other socialist countries uh norway sweden all of these companies cps people are more afraid of cps than the police and it's starting to become that way in the united states also um it's you know it's it's not you know you'll look at it you'll look at it and you'll say okay well, well, the laws are written a certain way, but they haven't completely stripped parents of their parental rights, but in essence, they really have based upon the way the system works. And so when you say you have parental rights, all of the case law that has been written as of late always leans toward the best interest of the child. It used to be parental rights, and now they've taken that out of almost all the wording across the United States and put in best interest of the child. So, in fact, they're saying, you no longer have your rights.

We, the government, has the right to determine what is the best interest of the child. And so, you know, if you want to homeschool or if you want to to do anything you need to understand the dynamics of what you're going to do and then i tell everyone don't let cps in your house i mean i did i literally did that i took my children out of school and homeschooled them during covet you know and you know we were you know here again like anything cbs came knocking at my door and i because i know i'm like guys picked the wrong person to come knocking at the front door and you know i i i won and i'm just like no no can't come in no can't talk no can we talk to yourself no no no no go prove your case have a nice day and so they ended up uh filing a petition and um i'm like all

right and i won of course but i knew what to do i'm like prove it prove it i said here are my doctors where are your doctors yeah not your allegations where are your doctors right you can't prove it bye and we'll just dismiss it He had to dismiss it because I understood and I'm trying to help other parents understand. Just stay quiet and tell them, come up with your evidence and that's it. You know, and I hope that people understand that because, you know, I think a lot of people look at this and say, well, CPS, I don't need to worry about CPS. I'm not doing anything. Just like they say, they show up at your door.

Uh, people will look at this and say, well, I don't need to worry about CPS. I'm not doing anything. Just like they say when they show up at your door. People will look at this and say, well, I don't need to watch Dwight's videos because I'm never going to be visited by CPS. You need to be forearmed about all this stuff. And that's the reason why I wanted to have you on again, Dwight. People need to be fully aware of what our government is capable of and knowing that you can be put in the crosshairs at any time for any reason, and you don't have to do anything that is criminal, and you should actively look out for your own rights because the government is not going to be there to protect your rights. I mean, that is the purpose of government.

That's what the Bill of Rights and the Constitution is about. We create governments to defend our God-given rights, but the government is about taking those away at this point in time. So you have to understand that that is always a possibility, even though you're not doing anything wrong, and be forewarned and forearmed and understand how to oppose this system and not to put yourself and your children in jeopardy. Because once they take your kids away, that's just such a heartbreaking thing to have happen.

And I say this to people, understand that this is getting bigger and bigger. As you were just talking about, Dwight, you may have CPS get involved simply because of this transgender issue in public schools. They may use CPS as an additional wedge to put between you and your kids to take away your kids so they can transition them. So everybody in this environment is at danger if you got your kids in a public school. And then of course, if you're homeschooling, that's a different way that they might come after you. But you're especially in danger if you're in the public schools because of this transgender grooming that's going on right now. Correct. And you can't say anything. You as a parent, I mean, I know firsthand I've gone and I'm like,

I don't approve of some of the curriculum. So my son will not be attending these classes. No, no, you don't have a right to say that. Once that child crosses the threshold, we, the government, the school system, you know, what we decide is going to be the curriculum is what your child will be taught. And you have no say so in the matter. If you don't like our curriculum, your choices are to A, take them out and put them in a private school that agrees with your philosophy of life, or B, to homeschool that child. And if you decide to homeschool, please. And if you decide to homeschool, please do something computer-based. I'm going to give a little tip here. Don't just say, I'm going to homeschool. Put together a curriculum. There's a lot of online schools,

Time for Learning. I'm not trying to give them a plug. That's one of the ones I use, but there's others. Make sure you have a written curriculum and that they're doing this daily and doing tests because you don't want to open the door on the back side for truancy or neglect on that side that's right 88 of the children taken from parents are not from physical abuse or sexual abuse it's for neglect and neglect is anything the government says it is um it could be not giving them vaccines that is correct yeah we're not following our doctor's recommendation um amanda weber took her child if you remember amanda weber from a few years ago it just popped into my head you know but she took her child to the to the doctor the doctor the

child was fine and so she went home and the next thing you know cps is at her door you know the next issue you know we won that case for her but it's something as simple as going to the doctor. We took, and I'm thinking of this, and the doctors now, they are making the doctors our enemy. They're pitting parents against doctors, and I think children are not getting the well care, the pre-illness treatment because parents are afraid. I'm like, if I go to the doctor and I say this, doctors are mandatory reporters. And so took my daughter to get her last physical and my daughter was talking about like traveling to the moon and

so on and so forth. And doctor was like and then my daughter made some comment about you know falling down and hurting her leg and the doctor immediately snapped hurt your leg how'd you hurt your leg what happened and we're like looking at the doctor like are you an idiot she was just telling you she was on the moon and traveling on the moon nothing the doctor was like it meant she hurt her. The doctor's focus zeroed in. What happened? What'd you do? How'd you do it?

You know, like. Yeah. Cause kids are not supposed to be outside playing or anything. You know, there's supposed to be sitting on a couch, uh, looking at TV, I guess. And so, you know, if you hurt your leg, that's evidence of neglect. Cause you got a parent who's letting you outside the house or something. Yeah. It is absolutely incredible how things are rapidly transforming. And you

pointed out that, you know, as we think of it, we think, well, abuse, we think violence or sexual abuse. As you pointed out, 80% of those don't have anything to do with, that's not even an allegation, right? No, no. I found out and it was, it was and this is the degree that that I I need to get across the parents So my son was one that the two soccer practice on his bicycle My son fell on his bicycle on his way to soccer practice He gets to practice The coach are like you okay, you know, you're like some some bruises. He says yeah, I fell on my way here on my bike Right come to find out and i didn't

know this because cps ended up disregarding it that coach called cps on my son because he fell off his bike on his way to soccer practice and i found out maybe like two years later you know with this covid homeschooling thing and it comes out and i'm just like well what are you talking about i know nothing about this so uh i guess you know CPS at that time they call ruling it out but the mere fact that my soccer coach called CPS you know on me and my son that I was not made aware of when my son tells him I fell off my bike on my way here to practice and that's why i have you know these this this scraping bruise on my leg and the coach still called cps so parents need to be aware something is as little as falling off your bike gives mandatory reporters like doctors and teachers now mandatory i mean they

must call and report any injury that they see and so so it's gotten to be a mess, David. It really has. I grew up as a free-range kid, and our role models were the little rascals who were out there building, doing all kinds of dangerous stuff all the time. I know. And it's like, oh, that's really cool, but I don't know how, you know. But even if you did something like the little rascals actually did when I was a kid, they wouldn't call the cops on your parents. But now it's amazing how they've tightened the noose. But especially this whole thing about what is happening with transgender issues and transitioning kids, they have a fixation on that, and that's going to manifest itself in CPS.

So, I mean, you're talking about sexual abuse. That's really where it's coming from. It's coming from our government, sexually abusing the kids and then using that as a premise to come after kids. So everybody needs to understand what is going on with this, and I really do appreciate what you do. And again, to let everybody know, at your website, you have videos that go

through the whole process, what you can expect and how you can interact with them in a safe way, what you sh the right way to proceed with anything like this. If, if it's something about, you know, some, some teacher reports that your kids injured because they fell on a. Fell off their bike or something and they get CPS after you, because that does happen. You know, that was the discretion of CPS not to go any further with this, but if they did go further with this, and if you didn't follow the procedures that

you talk about, you're going to wind up losing your kid and, uh, and it could be very, very serious. And so, um, uh, what, what is the name of that website again? Family preservation foundation.org. I also have a shortcut link called FPF1 dot org. Okay. That's easier for people to remember. Okay.

Family Preservation Foundation dot org. Correct. That's good. Before you go, though, let's talk a little bit about, you said NRA, and you're in New Jersey. Correct. That's got to be one of the hardest places to comply with any firearms anywhere is in New Jersey. Talk about what it's like to be not just a gun owner, but a firearms instructor in New Jersey. Well, believe it or not, we have about a million firearm owners in New Jersey out of 8.8 million people.

That might not seem significant but before an anti-gun state that really is quite significant yeah so when the Buren decision went down this past summer and the Supreme Court said that we had the right to bear arms there was you know a deluge of applications for carry permits because prior to last summer no one could get a permit to carry a firearm we can only go from our house to the range or a house to the gun store and back so now you know on july 4th i was like here's my application for my gun permit you know but everyone was just like right away so they i think they got

about 200 000 applications uh almost immediately you know for their uh for gun permits for our right to to carry. A lot of people say, well, you shouldn't tell people, you shouldn't say these things. I said, no. I said, people need to get comfortable. It is a constitutional right. As a matter of fact, it was the second amendment to the Constitution. It was so important.

Free speech was one, and if you want free speech, you need two to allow yourself to be able to speak freely. So we in New Jersey have been advocates. Governor Murphy just signed into law this sweeping gun reform bill in response to. Well, we when I say we because a lot of gun groups that I belong to and donate to, got a TRO stopping all the sensitive carry. It went from just government buildings and courthouses. The sensitive places like they did in New York. They did that in New Jersey as well. Correct.

So we had an injunction on Monday to say all those sensitive places are unconstitutional and they will not be enforced. So because everyone had stopped caring, everyone that got their care permit had literally stopped caring. So as an instructor, I tell people that they need to understand their constitutional rights, but they also need to understand the rights of New Jersey and its gun laws, because certain things will get you locked up no matter what it's kind of mentioning you were talking about Houston on my I have about 50,000 followers on my firearms training page mm-hmm called elite noir and I put up

that video and I said based upon self-defense and your constitutional rights was what this person did valid you know what should he have done mm-hmm and I'm not trying to be a Monday morning quarterback you know we all think he's a hero I said if he needs a legal defense fund he should set up a GoFundMe so that's but that's not what I'm saying I said I said I'm looking at the law and what the law says he should have done. And I said, you hear what the attorney general was saying and the prosecutors were saying because of how the law is written. And the law basically says it needs to be imminent

threat for you to use deadly force. Including anyone in the back in any state in the nation is not imminent threat. If the guy had swung the gun around or started turning back toward him, then we could say, okay, it was imminent threat. I said, but the state's going to have to prove that the guy was, you know, the guy was walking out the store, which it looks like he was doing. I said, but you can clearly see that the gentleman shot him from behind. And I said, while he's a hero in my regard, I said, I'm going to tell you what the state is going to say. I said, not me, so don't jump on me.

Don't kill the messenger. Yeah, I talked to my sons about that. And we mentioned a couple of times on the show, and I mentioned that there there's a soros uh district attorney um that is you know putting him up before the grand jury now and so he showed it again earlier in the program and um and you know as as i was talking about it with my sons and they've taken firearms classes as well and they said yeah but you know it's and the texas law says not only to stop a threat to you, but to stop a threat to other people. He was still pointing the gun, even though he had his back to this guy. He was still pointing the gun at other people.

So I think he would be covered with that. My only concern is how this Soros district attorney will handle the fact that he kept shooting the guy when the guy was down and didn't even appear to be moving. You know, when he went over to get the gun from the guy, he's still shooting him. And then he's, it bends down to get the gun. He gives him another shot, you know? And it's like, uh, that's going to be, I don't think they're going to win on the, you know, he wasn't pointing the gun at that guy. The shoe, he wasn't, they weren't pointing, he wasn't pointing the gun at the defender. We'll call him.

Uh, but, uh, you know, you know i think that was still okay especially under texas law but i think that um they might say well you know finishing him off that way um that's you know that's that's the thing where i think he's maybe has some legal jeopardy in that what do you think well um what most people don't know is one of the things we teach we talk about the psychological and the physiological response you know are you ready to take a life so this is a lot that goes into we I teach a 16 hour class or it's the NRA basic CCW 50 state CCW course and so we actually go into all that David and what happens is that this time dilation sentry

deprivation there's all these things that are going on when your adrenaline starts rushing so I think there is an argument to be made yeah that you know if you really look at the time that the time period it was very short even though it was multiple shots it was it was still very short. When I say very short, 30 seconds, it's not long, especially, you know, when you're. Yeah. Your adrenaline is elevated and you're you know, you don't know. And you might have thought he moved.

Yeah, I thought he moved. I shot him again. So that's right. There's a lot that goes into that. And I think an argument can be made and i i i'm hopeful that he gets off i know the arguments that the state is going to try to make but i i do think uh he'll be able to provide a defense and any doctor will come in and talk about these things you know the physiological and the psychological responses that occur

when you're in that type of situation. And there's plenty of research that discusses what happens, which is one of the reasons why we talk about it. And we talk about just that situation. So I put that out to the group. Everyone came out, you know, with different feedback. It was interesting to see all the feedback that came from across the nation for the different people that followed the page. You know, something just occurred to me as well, you know, when I talk about that. Again, I think the guy is covered under Texas law, even though he wasn't pointing the gun at him,

he was still pointing the gun at other people who knew what he was going to do next. And if they go back and look at this guy's rap sheet, you find that he was already part of a group that had killed a store owner at a cell phone store as part of an armed robbery. So, you know, this guy's basically doing the same thing, and that owner did get killed. And so, you know, they can bring that up in the trial.

But I think when you talk about the number of shots, as I said, you know, my biggest concern where you might have legal exposure is those additional shots. When I took my concealed carry class, it was taught by a guy who was former Secret Service. And he said, let me tell you, he said, this is not like the movies where you shoot once and the guy's down and it's over with. And he can use that for his defense as well because he said, let me give you a true example here. He said the FBI had closed in on a guy and, you know, they were in a room, three FBI agents and one individual who was an expert at martial arts. And rather than, you know, submitting to the arrest, he decided he was going to fight these FBI agents who are all armed. And they shot him and he bled to death in 30 seconds. But before he bled to death, he killed all three of them with his bare hands.

And he said, so, you know, if you shoot somebody, you keep shooting until they're not moving. And so that really is, I think, I think he should be covered. But of course, you know, we're talking about Houston. We're talking about a place where they can elect the Soros district attorney. So again, you know, the political aspects of it, but I think from a legal standpoint, even from an ethical standpoint, he should be covered. But we'll just have to wait and see what happens with that. But that is the reality that, you know, you don't, this is not like, uh,

the kid with his red rider BB gun, you shoot them once in the button, they're gone, you know, I mean, this is, this is real life that doesn't happen. And even if the guy's bleeding to death and, you know, just a 30 seconds, he can still kill three people. And here, and here's, what's going to happen. I think with this case, because's so hope high-profile I concur with you I think I think he will be covered even with the additional shots but what this that's the state does is they will drag it out and so

people have a very short attention span and that was what was done with CPS in our case and we were going to the Supreme Court they they drug it out for two years and so the people start dropping off and then once the following starts dropping off then they're saying now we could do whatever we want because you no longer have the attention and so I'm I'm just hoping that justice is done speedily in Houston because as you said with a Soros prosecutor now we're sitting and saying he understands the government in the wheels and how it turns he understands the memory of People are short what was in the news today will not be in the news three months from now

That's right So if this is kept quiet and you know you and I both know you the legal process and judiciary is long and lengthy Such thing is a speedy trial anymore even to get your child back, they have 90 days. The state has 60 days to collect evidence, and then they have to present in 90. Well, if this gun case goes the same way in 90 days, how many people are still going to be talking about Houston? That's right. Very few.

And so, unless he has advocates on the other side, you know, keeping us in the news and keeping people informed or, you know, starting a GoFundMe to collect email addresses to send it out to people, you know, they're going to wait for this to die down. And then they're going to do exactly what they want to do. That's right. And so it's disturbing, but this play, this trend goes with everything now. The government literally outweighs you. They outspend you. And they'll put in delay after delay. Oh, and another adjournment.

Oh, and another adjournment. You know, I'm like, this must have been taken care of in 60 days. Speedy trial request. Yeah. They wear you down. I just interviewed a doctor yesterday. They're coming after him because he talked during COVID about vitamin D and zinc. And they said, well, because you were on radio and TV, we think 12 million impressions,

and we're going to fine you $40,000 per impression. He's looking at a half a trillion dollar, you know, 12 million people and $40,000 each, and he's looking at half a trillion dollar fine. They just figured that they would ramp that thing up and he just caved to it. But it is a long, drawn-out process. They try to wear you down through attrition. And as you point out, you know, if everybody forgets about this guy, I think it's going to be very important for him because the Second Amendment organizations are not going to let this die out. They're going to advocate for this guy. And that's why your CPS, your Family Preservation Foundation organization is important.

Because I've told people over and over again, forget political parties, forget politicians for the most part. We need to organize issue by issue, just as we've seen with the Second Amendment and with gun rights. We need to do that issue by issue. And that's why what you're doing with CPS is so important, because you're focusing on this attack on parental rights that is now metastasized through so many different facets, especially through the schools. And people need to have an advocate.

They need to have the knowledge of how the government is possibly going to come after any of us. We never know. And how to deal with this thing. That's why the real reality is that we got to focus issue by issue. And I think Dwight, you've got one of the best, um, uh, takes on it because you experienced this yourself personally. Uh, you know what this is about and

what can happen and how to defend against it. And people really do need to see that. And there's not many organizations out there that really focused on CPS. A lot of people focus in terms of doing reporting on what happens to kids once they get stolen, human trafficking and prostitution and abduction and all this other kind of stuff, which is horrible, but it, nobody really talks about how do you keep them from stealing your kid in the first place? And that's what you're really focused on.

And the part that I find so ironic, David, is that they will take a child from a family and pay a stranger a thousand dollars a month to take care of this family instead of giving that money to the family if there is some shortcoming to help that family keep its child. And so that's the bizarreness of our system. And it keeps traced all the way back to the Clintons. I mean, they're the ones who signed this law into effect. Bill Clinton did. And I was looking at something a few years ago that he had put out

as it relates to CPS and the prison system. And he said, had he known then what he knows now, those two laws wouldn't have been signed into law. You know? It's a little late now. You know, you can say that in hindsight, you know?

Yeah. I heard the same thing, uh, from, um, uh, the guy who, uh, pushed the Vietnam war. Well, if I would've known now what I knew then I wouldn't have done it. You know, Robert McNamara says, uh, you know, sorry about that. Mistakes were made. We're hearing that now from the people who pushed all this lockdown and vilification of everybody who didn't do every little COVID ritual that they had for. Sorry, can we have amnesty?

You always hear that. I didn't know any better. But that's the key thing. They want your kids. No doubt about it. They're getting paid to steal your kids. And then they can get paid on the black market as well. But even with the federal government, they get paid to steal your kids, and then they can get paid on the black market as well. But even with the federal government, they get paid to steal your kids.

And as you pointed out, in 80% of those cases, they just say, well, you're not taking care of them sufficiently. And as you point out, they'll give the money to total strangers who will do who knows what rather than helping the family to overcome what they say is insufficient care, neglect, and that type of thing. So it just really underscores what the true agenda is here, I think. So you've got a Facebook page about guns. It's called Elite Noir. Is that correct? Yes.

Is that a Facebook page? That's correct. Okay, good. Right. And that's also our website. It's EliteNoir.com. Good. What's interesting, just since we're talking about guns, they're using this as a mechanism in New Jersey to try and get into the homes.

Also, they're trying to dictate in this new legislation. I'm not you know, it's being challenged, of course, in the courts. But I tell people, keep your guns locked up. Keep them in safes. Don't keep them on the drawer dresser drawers. I'm an advocate of metal safes. If you can get the large in safes don't keep them on the drawer dresser drawers um i'm an advocate of metal safes if you can get the large refrigerator safes great if not get some sort of metal safe don't just put it in a gun box or take your gun case and put padlocks on them and put them in the top of your closet this is another way they're going to use to try and come in the back door and say that um you know you have unsafe housing conditions or

you're neglect, you're putting your child in a dangerous position. So tell all the parents to be aware of that. Also, that's another way, especially if you own guns, make sure you keep them locked up. That's right. You know, the number one thing is to keep CPS out of your house and never let them in your house at all. They'll use the, they'll use the public schools as a way to get in and stoop around, they'll use your fact use the public schools as a way to get in and snoop around.

They'll use your fact that you own guns as a way to come in and snoop around. So you need to know what your legal rights are. And Dwight has videos talking about that, how to protect your family. Because that's why you've got a gun in the first place, right? It's to protect your family. You need to know how to protect your family from the biggest enemy, which is going to be the government coming after your family and i tell people in new jersey david especially you saw that in houston i said don't try that in new jersey i said that will not

work in new jersey like what are you talking about i said it's specifically codified that the threat has to be to you specifically and or your loved ones yeah i said you cannot play the long range or here in new jersey i said you will get locked up yeah and i said so i've been telling people since that houston video came out i said we're not texas that's right that's right yeah yeah yeah he's covered in texas but he wouldn't be covered but i've i've covered stories in new jersey i remember one in particular a guy was moving and he wasn't even moving to new jersey he was moving between states and he was a licensed carry you know guy and all this kind of stuff and he didn't show up at his uh relative's house in new jersey at the time they thought so they contacted the police the police saw his license plate or whatever and identified him pulled him over and then they start you know can we uh you

know snooping around see if they can find something can we look in your trunk they open up he says sure yeah i got nothing to hide right just like Can we look in your trunk? They open up. He says, sure, yeah, I got nothing to hide, right? Just like we're talking about with CPS. They open up the trunk, and he's got clothes and suitcases and other kinds of possessions and everything. They go through everything, and at the very bottom of the trunk, locked, they find some guns that were down at the bottom. It's like, oh, you're not allowed to have these in New Jersey,

and they haul them off to jail. I mean, it's just, again the there's so many traps out there and it's like harvey silverglade he said you know everybody's uh uh violating we got so many different laws on the books everybody's committing three felonies a day on average that's right you're 100 correct yeah that's where we are now in america but like you said, I tell everyone, every single one of my students, especially if they have a gun, if a police officer says, can I search your car? The answer is no. Even if you don't have a gun in your car. I said, I still take lessons.

I'm a former veteran, and I've been having firearms for like 30 years. And I still take lessons. I compete in USPSA, so I take lessons on a Friday basis. But my coach, who is a grandmaster, was saying how he got stopped in New Jersey. I said, and he said the same thing. I have nothing to hide. The state police kept him on the side of the road for three and a half hours, going through all of his equipment, trying to find something that was wrong.

They were literally like going through the statues, looking at his handguns. So I tell everyone, I said, yeah, see my, even my coach, who's, who's a grand master, one of the top shooters in the United States got stopped and was held for three and a half hours. So I tell everyone, I said, no warrant, no search. Yeah. It's a fishing expedition, fishing expedition. Well, thank you

it's always great talking to you dwight i didn't know about the firearms side of you but um good for you on that as well uh the organization is familypreservationfoundation.org uh make sure if you got children make sure i you know you're not protected if you got children no matter where you live uh you need to go to Dwight's website and educate yourself about how to protect your family from the legal snares that are out there. Thank you so much, Dwight. Great talking to you. Thank you, David. Pleasure as always. Thank you. Whether you're feeling like the blues or bluegrass, APS Radio has you covered. Check out a wide variety of channels on our app at APSradio.com.

Joining us now is Susan Swift. She is an attorney, a pro-life attorney, and I wanted to get her on to talk about what is happening with this new move, this new FDA rule. But I want to begin with the problem with this abortion pill. So thank you for joining us, Susan. Thanks so much for having me on, David. It's a real privilege. Well, thank you. Let's talk a little bit about this abortion pill. Tell people what the issues are with it. Sure. The drug is called mithopristone. It's also referred to as RU486. And to give you just a little bit of background, RU486 was developed in France in, I believe, in the 80s, 90s. And so it was manufactured there as an abortifacient. And it was actually introduced into this country through the Clinton administration.

I remember that. It's been around for a long time. I remember Rush Limbaugh saying RU486 is like 86ing people. It's just amazing. It's amazing how long this thing's been around, but now it's taken on a whole new level, hasn't it? Yes. And what, well, the Clinton administration worked with the Rockefeller Population Council to import the drug that is made in China into the United States. So it really has an interesting history. The drug operates by interrupting the natural production of progesterone, which is the maternal

hormone that maintains the placenta and the uterus, the uterine lining, so that the growing baby, the developing baby is nourished and grows. If you have a sudden drop in progesterone, the baby starves to death, dies. Okay. So mifepristone operates in that way. That's that. And mifepristone is the first drug of the two-drug cocktail that is called a chemical abortion. The abortion cartel doesn't like to call it a chemical abortion because it sounds like drugs because it is. So sometimes the abortion cartel calls it with

a nicer name, the medication abortion, because that sounds like you're taking medicine, right? But the purpose of this drug cocktail, mifepristone, and then followed by misoprostol, is to first starve the baby to death by depriving it of the nutrients in the placenta and the uterine lining. And then when the baby is dead, then you take misoprostol, which is about 48 hours later, and that creates premature labor. It creates very powerful uterine contractions so that you expel the dead baby or the dying baby in some cases because misopristoin is not safe for women. Because it's limited to the first 10 weeks, sometimes 12 weeks. The FDA is a little fuzzy

on that. But the first 12 weeks of gestation. Prior to you asking me about the FDA ruling, there's something in the FDA called REMS, which is Risk Evaluation and Mitigation Strategies. Very fancy name for we need to weigh the benefits of the drug versus the side effects. So that's what REMS is. It's a bit of a scale, if you will. And they have been, the FDA under the Obama administration and now the Biden administration has been loosening the rules, the REMS, the risk evaluation for Mifeprix. Sorry, Mifeprix. Call it RU486. RU486. People know that.

Yeah, that's easier to say. Yeah, and they do need to know, people need to know that RU486 is an abortion drug. Yes. It's not, it's sometimes confused with Plan B, which is a different drug that tries to act as a contraceptive, but sometimes can also act as an abortifacient. I think in a way that we could remember that, it kind of, that drug kind of sounds like Mephistopheles, you know. Yes, it does. I'm going to steal that. Mephistopheles, you know, it's that. Yes, it does. I'm going to steal that. Mephistopheles. Yeah, that's what they were aiming for.

I don't know, but it does seem satanic what they're doing. And of course, that would be one of the risk evaluation procedure would be one of the things that they would want to do to make sure that the baby is, you know, for the health of the mother. They always want to talk about women's health. They would want to make sure that the baby is not you know, for the health of the mother. They always want to talk about women's health. They would want to make sure that the baby's not so far along because what happens if the baby, you know, they want to evaluate how old the baby is. What happens if the baby is more than 12 weeks? What happens to the mother at that point in time? Well, there are a lot of risks that

are associated, and this is all from the FDA website. Now, here's some of the data is inconsistent because we in America, we don't collect some of the data is inconsistent because we in America, we don't collect a lot of data on abortion because the abortion cartel wants to mask it as privacy and things. And some states collect data, some don't. So we don't have a full and complete all 50 states. But what we do know from the data that has been collected is that 26 women have died from in association with taking this, you know mifeprix that's what what has happened we also know that there are uh over 3600 there might be more um adverse reactions such as hemorrhaging sepsis which is a blood infection that can become like toxic toxic blood um you

can have to have an additional uh surgical procedure procedure to remove pieces of the fetus or the baby that did not survive. We also know from the reports in the Daily UK Mail and other places where a woman will take the drug later than 12 weeks. Sometimes women are sometimes historically just inaccurate. They don't know exactly when their period ended or when it started. And so they can self-report inaccuracy. They can say, I think I'm about 10 weeks along, especially if they're told by the abortion cartel that the abortion pill should only be taken,

you know, 12 weeks or under. Well, they're not stupid. If they want to have an abortion pill, sometimes they genuinely don't know, or maybe they just guess and they want to come in and say, well, I think I'm 12 weeks. And then what used to happen under REMS, under this guidance that would evaluate the risk, it was required that to take mifepristone, you had to go in person to see a doctor, to see a nurse, to get an ultrasound dating of your pregnancy. So we would know how far you were along.

The entire point of that was to protect the mother. So we could say, oh, well, you're 10 weeks along. I guess you can have this lethal drug. But if you take it after 12 weeks, the risk of complications shoot up. In fact, I think there's another study coming out of Charlotte Lozier has this, and I don't have it at the tip of my fingers, but it's showing, you know, the data of the adverse reactions is much greater than what has been reported in the FDA. So like 500% more adverse reactions, especially the later you take it. There was one woman who took the, she was prescribed the

drug by her doctor and she was 30 weeks along, 30 weeks, which is definitely past viability. And she delivered a baby boy who then died four days later. There was another woman, I believe in Alabama, who guessed wrong about her period, took the drug. She was actually 12 or 13 weeks along and took the drug, or no, farther along than that. And she delivered between 21 and 22 weeks. She thought she had taken it at the right time. She was 21 or 22 weeks. And she delivered a baby. And she said, had I known that the baby was farther along, that I would not have taken this drug.

So there's an issue of consent and being informed as well. But again, these REMs, the risk evaluation, it only focuses on the health of the mother. Because we know what this drug does to babies. The purpose is to kill the baby, to starve the baby to death, and then to expel the baby either dead or dying from the uterus. The problem is sometimes it's not all the way expelled. The baby is that part of this placenta is still left and you can hemorrhage to death. So there are some serious risks associated with the drug. But again, we're not collecting all the data. We don't really want to report the data because, of course, that would hamper the abortion cartels business of now. It's, I think, according to the

Guttmacher Institute, which is the right hand arm of Planned Parenthood, it gathers a lot of data. It reported in 2020 that the, that most abortions, 54, 54% of all abortions are chemical abortions with these drugs. So that's big business, especially when you consider Planned Parenthood is losing market share. They've lost many, many states where they can't go in and do the surgical abortions and profit to the tune of $500 a procedure. And now they're competing with the drug cartels, right? With big pharma. And pretty soon they're going to be competing with Walgreens and CBS because Walgreens and CBS have said, oh, the rhythms have changed. And the FDA just very recently,

this is just in January 3rd, I believe it was, indicated, oh, well, pharmacies can now dispense this drug. Here's how that happened. It was, they leveraged the pandemic once again. During the pandemic, a lot of healthcare industries were closed or you couldn't go in person. And so I believe Planned Parenthood or another abortion provider brought a lawsuit to stop the requirement of the REMS to have that in-person visit. And they wanted to have telehealth

medicine because, you know, during the pandemic with so many people dying from COVID, we needed to kill more babies too. So we had to have a way to just have a telehealth visit so that the woman could self-report just on the telephone and then the doctor could prescribe these pills. That suspension of the in-person requirement was made permanent, I believe in December 2021 by the Biden administration. And now, December 2022, now they have, they have indicated, FDA has indicated, well, the ban on in-person is permanent now. You can prescribe, anyone can prescribe by telehealth medicine. So we'll open this up and we will allow a big box pharma like Walgreens and CVS to,

you know, deliver the prescription right there. You know, if you, if you bring in a prescription, we'll just hand you the drug. As you pointed out in the, the literature you sent to me,

you characterized it, I said, now they're going to have, they're going to be able to open up 18,000 plus new abortion centers by doing this. Exactly. It's this. Exactly. It's amazing. The reason I'm saying that is because when you can go and get this abortion drug,

this mifepristone, that makes it an abortion clinic because that's all that you used to do. You would go into Planned Parenthood or some other provider and you'd say, I want this pill. And what they do in in-person interview, they would scan you to make sure you were under 12 weeks. And then they would have to actually give you the pill and watch you ingest it. That was part of the safety protocol too, because they wanted to know when do you take the first pill? And then they give you the second pill to take at home 24, 48, I'm sorry, 48 hours later so that you can then go into preterm labor and deliver that dead baby

into the toilet. That was their plan. But at least they knew when you took the first pill. Now that's all. Now you just go stop at your pharmacy and you take it whenever. There is no doctor supervising the woman at all to protect her health. And that's because the Biden administration through the FDA has removed all of these restrictions that were put in place to protect women, never mind the dead baby that they're trying to abort. Yeah, we've seen this happen with the rush to get the vaccines out. They don't want to look at any of the side effects. They don't want to do any testing. Health is no longer a consideration for the FDA.

It's a revolving door for these people, just like we've seen the last two FDA commissioners go straight to Moderna and Pfizer. It's just a revolving door for industry. And they just whitewash anything that they want. But I remember when Abby Johnson, who has become very active in the pro-life movement, she used to manage an abortion clinic. And while she was there, she took one of these pills. And she talked about how she nearly died on the floor for a day or two by herself with nobody to help her. It was an amazing story. It's been a while since I've heard it.

I talked to her once and interviewed her once. And she gave me the story. But it was truly an amazing story about what it did. And now this is going to be, as you pointed out, without any supervision, without any evaluation of how far along the baby is, this is something that they say that they care about women's health. That's not true at all. And the wake, by the way, of Susan, you know, this reminds me, this phony nod to women's health reminds me of what happened with Gosnell

and the fact that he ran this horrible clinic. You had a woman who died there, and there were some babies that he was convicted of murdering as well. But in response to that, you had several states say, well, we want to make sure that you can get gurneys through the hallways and through the doorways because that was part of the problem. Lady was bleeding out there and they couldn't get the emergency stretchers through. Also, he didn't have a good connection to a hospital to get emergency care. So they put those two

types of stipulations in there. I was living in Texas at the time that was in and that created a massive protest because these women who said they care about women's health wanted to shut down these safeguards. And that's what's been done now by the fda at a national level isn't it that's exactly right because this is really this is not about the women's health this is abortion has become uh it remember way back in the day it used to be the chant was safe legal and rare that was that was the the feminists take on it safe legal and rare um That was the feminist take on it. Safe, legal, and rare. Of course, everybody wants every medical procedure to be safe. Nobody is arguing about that.

Legal, well, it's now abortion on demand 24-7. I shout my abortion. Now, of course, we're going to get to the point, if this continues the way it is, they're going to get rid of the prescription. They're just going to say, you don't even need a prescription. We'll just sell it to you like Plan B. Because again, Plan B acts most of the time as a contraceptive, but can also act as an abortifacient. In fact, the FDA is rewriting the advertising on the box of Plan B, trying to say, well, you really can't call plan

B an abortifacient. And yet that, that, that in its literature for, I don't know, for years, it was, it can interfere with the, after the, if the, the egg implants in the uterus, it can act as an abortifacient. Well, it, what it does is if there's already a fertilized egg, that's a human being. That's the start of life. If it prevents implantation, that is an abortifacient. Suppressing ovulation, that's a contraceptive. I get it. But once you've had ovulation and that egg has been fertilized and is now a human being, right, a little cell that's dividing, to prevent it from implanting, that's not contraception, that's an abortifacient. But the FDA is trying to, they're trying to whitewash Plan B as well, to say, well, no,

it's really just a contraceptive, you can't call it an abortifacient. So that's medical misinformation right there, and now of, we have the FDA with Mifepristone trying to say that, well, we can just do this, just, you know, telehealth in person. And then you just go to the pharmacy. Pretty soon they're going to get rid of that probably. And they're going to probably go to, you know, over the counter. Just go, you know, so long as you identify as a person who may become pregnant. Yeah, that's right. I guess I'd include men now as well.

That's a new profit center for my parent. They can do chemical sterilizations now, so they can branch out into that new area, and they can branch out to a new gender as well. You know, we had a moment of clarity in this Born Alive Act that was debated and voted on in Congress. We had a Democrat congresswoman, I've played the clip a couple of times, where she gets up and talks about her Christian beliefs, and she actually quoted, you know, I've known

you, created you in the womb, and that type of thing, and then says, so I want the government out of my womb as a Christian. None of it made any sense. But what it showed was when these people voted, and there were 210 votes against it, and all of them were Democrats, what it showed was they just support infanticide. Because we're not even talking about a baby that's in the womb anymore. When the baby, you've tried to kill the baby, and the baby survived, and it it's there on the table and you're going to kill it. That shows their hand. We've always argued that this is a different person. This is not the woman's body. There's two bodies involved here. And so these people want to take it to the extent that the mother can kill the baby

even after the baby is born. That is a new threshold that's been crossed. And it's amazing to watch these people. As I said, it was a moment of clarity where they self-exposed what they really believe. It's about infanticide. We need to control the language. We need to define what this stuff is because they always use these euphemisms. As you were pointing out, they have so many of them about every aspect of this. Yes, they do. Like like pregnancy tissue product of conception they dehumanize babies yes they're dehumanizing people

and and and to reflect back on what you just said about the congressional vote what this this bill was supposed to do there's already um infant born alive protection under federal law what this bill was trying to do was was set some sort of standard of medical care so that, okay, here's the minimum. You have to do these basic things. You have to contact a hospital. So basically to define what a doctor should be doing. And that was what they stood on, that, well, we can't regulate the doctors.

But I do hold out a little bit of hope because it passed 220, and that was all of the Republicans and one pro-life Democrat. So the issue of life is truly bipartisan. I know it's imbalanced right now, but we really need to appeal to all pro-life individuals because this issue is about humanity. And how do we treat individuals with compassion? It's interesting. I was just scrolling through my Facebook feed, and I stumbled upon an interesting story about a mother sheep, a ewe, who had delivered a baby sheep, a lamb, that was stillborn. And was crying all night in the field because her baby lamb had died. And another sheep in the fold had twin lambs at the same time. And the farmers who were taking care of it observed that the sheep with the two lambs

appeared to and had already given over to the mother who had lost the lamb, one of her extra twin babies, so that now both sheep have, you know, one has a lamb and the other one is basically the adopted mother. And I just thought, we can learn so much from these sheep. Why not just give the baby a chance to live and hand it to someone else? If you don't want to abstain from activities that are going to produce babies, if you don't want to kill a baby, which you never should, how about adoption? What's wrong with that option? Because you don't have to parent, but why do we have to kill babies? Again, we're going back to the, you have to track the money, you have to follow the money.

The abortion cartel is a massive money-making machine. And now it's joining forces with big pharma. So it really is. It's all about manufacturing and making drugs that abort these babies. And then, of course, we can probably start selling the tissues as well, because that's part of the... David Daleiden has revealed a lot of that, that the abortion industry is all about, it's like we're harvesting a crop. It's very thick, but it's all about the money. And it probably comes through government. And I know it comes through, you know, state taxes and different things. We are supporting an industry, an industry like a, like a travel agency, right? We're supporting an industry whose product is dead human babies. And we as American citizens

should be horrified and we should put a stop to it immediately. We should do everything in our power to save, especially babies who have survived abortions. That was the purpose of that bill on the floor. And yes, you're right. Now it was very telling. I'm so glad that the conservative wing of the majority party has forced Kevin McCarty to actually bring things like this, single issues, to the floor. Because then we can actually see how these people vote and where their allegiance lies. Is it with life or is it with death? That's true. And that was the thing that the lady who says, well, I'm a mother and so forth and so on. And she reads from the Bible and it's like, do you realize that what

you just read from the Bible establishes personhood? Because that's always been the issue. Personhood. When does personhood begin? Well, if you believe the Bible, it begins at conception and it begins when God plans this person's life. And so, you know, she violates it. Then she says, you know, you've got to get out of my womb. And again, the baby is already out of the womb. None of the stuff that she said made any sense, but it was really amazing to see that. That story that you had about the lamb, you know, as we look at that, it makes me think, what has happened to maternal instincts in our society?

They have been purged out by the media, by society, by education, occasional institutes. It's unnatural what has happened. That's one of the most unnatural things. Everybody looks at the transgender stuff and what they're doing to kids. That's extremely and obviously unnatural. But to alienate a mother's affection for children, that is the most unnatural thing. You talk about that story, and as you're talking about it, I'm thinking of the story of Solomon. We have the two mothers, and one of them's baby dies, and the other one steals the baby because she wants to be a mother, and he has a famous decision to say, well, just cut the baby in half and give half to each of them.

And the real mother steps forward, who has even more love and even more maternal instinct. We have driven that out of our society. It's amazing to me to see that. Animals know better. We're worse than base animals now at this point. The interesting thing that you're pointing out is everywhere, what you're seeing is cultural Marxism. Yes. This is an attempt to separate all of the different normal things that a healthy society is based upon.

We are dividing men and women. Now we're even redefining what a woman is. We have a Supreme Court justice who can't tell you what a woman is. Yeah. Because she's not a biologist. Yeah. I mean, for crying out loud. She's a Marxist. Yes, exactly. She won't tell you because a woman is. Yeah. Because she's not a biologist. Yeah. I mean, for crying out loud. She's a Marxist.

Yes, exactly. She won't tell you because she's a Marxist. Exactly. These are all aspects of cultural Marxism to divide and to conquer because that is how the state takes over individual liberty. That is the real threat. And you're right. They're absolutely marginalizing motherhood.

Look, we are spending billions to foment a war in Ukraine. It's a proxy war against Russia. We're spending billions everywhere. But yet we don't even have one billion to try to support women who want to have their babies but are in crisis pregnancies or who are in poverty and they don't know what to do. We can end abortion if we are much more compassionate to those women and say, well, what do you really need? It's all about a culture of life. This is exactly what the Rights to Life League does. We come alongside these different pro-life clinics, centers and homes in California. We do anything that helps them keep their doors open

because they're the boots on the ground here in California. They come alongside these women, they big sister them, they say, look, you do not have to kill your baby. We will help you with life counseling if you need it. Do you need rent? Do you need a baby car seat? What is it that you need?

Maybe you just need a friend a compassion somebody who's walked that walk who's gone through it and who is a single mother alone right there there are resources out there and yet our government is not investing in motherhood our government is not investing in trying to build families they're they're doing the exact opposite they are pitting mother against child, right? With all of the financial stress on mothers, we're not helping them. And then we're actually providing them through the FDA and the rents. We're giving them the easy way out. We're saying, oh, well, you can just take a pill and, you know, you can abort it in the toilet and nobody will be the

wiser. That is so, as you said, it's an attack on maternal instinct. It's an attack on motherhood. And is it any wonder? Because women are no longer revered as women. We have men competing in women's sports. It's like women are not even protected as a class of gender anymore, because that is somehow intolerant to recognize biological differences. That's what this woke culture is doing to divide us. And it is all cultural Marxism. And abortion is kind of the tip of the spear. Because again, if you can get a mother to kill her own baby, most of them have terrible regrets, sometimes 20, 30 years later, because they realize what they've done and they suffer for that.

But we're not addressing that. We're putting a bandaid on it and saying, oh, well, yeah, you just go ahead and have an abortion. It's okay. We don't counsel you about your life about, you know, next time let's, you know, think about what we're doing. Do you have better choices? All of those things that build a family and a return to those kind of values that say we revere life, we revere families, we revere women.

They're not to be used as sexual objects. We can't one night stand and then discard them. But that's what we've done. And that's what these women are now doing to their own babies because they've been used. And our society is not responsive to the needs of these women, the most vulnerable women in our society. Yet they're just given a drug and said, well, go in the toilet. You'll be fine in two days. You'll be fine.

And then come back to work. Take the pill on Friday. And then on Monday, you'll be fine. You come back to work because the corporate cogs need to be in place for our economy. It's very sad. And it's also sad to see the vitriol directed at crisis pregnancy centers and people who do help like Right to Life League and others, people who are trying to help women, who are trying to help the baby.

And you look at Elizabeth Warren, she just almost spits when she talks about crisis pregnancy centers and wants to shut them all down and attack them. You have the FBI doesn't care when somebody sets one of them on fire. They don't want to investigate it at all. It's absolutely amazing to see, but it is, again, it is a very telling moment, a moment of revelation to see how they react to this. And you get a sense for what their real agenda is and it's certainly not about women's health that was another bill that that the congress uh i think narrowly passed uh right i think on the same day they passed a bill that that would condemn i believe is to get condemn the domestic violence against pro-life clinics just just to say look they're being

firebombed i remember reading the bill and it just listed there was over 60 different incidences where there's graffiti or firebombing or vandalism of some kind. And they wanted to simply condemn that as an act. And again, it was, I believe, three Democrats voted in favor of the bill. So it was, I think, slightly more than the 220. So it was like 202, 222. But most of the other Democrats voted against a bill That would at least call out and wrecking I think it was along the lines of a resolution That said look we condemn these acts of violence. This is domestic terrorism that groups like Jane's Revenge and Jane sent us right that they're they're going after pro-life clinics. But yet you've got to remember, our own DOJ has targeted a pro-life man who has, you know, seven kids.

And they went and arrested him at the point of guns, right, at gunpoint, because he goes out to, you know, abortion centers and prays and says, you can't come in here. Please don't come in here and kill your baby. And so they're targeting pro-life activists, right? Simply for exercising their First Amendment right. And then they're allowing, tacitly allowing and encouraging these terrorist groups like Jane's Revenge and Jane Sent Us. They're sending these people out tacitly to go and attack and terrorize these pro-life clinics. We actually gave a clinic, kind of an HR training boot camp,

if you will, to our member clinics and centers and homes and kind of went through some safety protocols. This was right before the Dobbs decision came down because they didn't know what to do. What do we have to do? And do you report this to the FBI? Yes, we did. We ourselves got death threats through our emails and our phone line here just because all we do is we advocate, please don't kill babies. Please consider adoption. Please consider other options that you might have.

And for that, we are attacked. It boggles my mind. And yet, half of our Congress doesn't recognize this as a very dangerous threat, a serious threat to safety. Because people who work at these clinics, most of them are, a lot of them are volunteers, most of them are very underpaid, and they just do it for the good of it because they want to give crisis, you know, basically women who are in crisis pregnancies another option to reassure them and tell them it's okay. And yet people like Senator Elizabeth Warren or our Attorney General Rob Bonta in California, they're trying now to go after these clinics by looking at their website

and saying, you are guilty of misinformation and misadvertising. And it might be fraudulent what you're saying on your website, because if you claim that you're offering reproductive care, but you don't offer abortion, well, that's not comprehensive reproductive care, is it? So they're going to be crawling around up in the websites to attack and to shut down a business that simply offers hope and security and help to women who want to keep their baby. It's not like pro-life clinics drag women out of abortion clinics and say, oh, you can't do that. No, no, no.

They just simply advertise and then stand outside perhaps on the sidewalk and say, oh, you can't do that. No, no, no. They just simply advertise and then stand outside, perhaps on the sidewalk and say, I'll talk to you if you don't, you have other options. Please don't kill your baby. I'll talk to you. These sidewalk counselors, no one is blocking entrances to planned parenthood. No one is threatening women not to have an abortion. They're simply trying to minister to women who are open to it. They say, okay, I'll talk to you. That's how we have to attract them. We're not allowed to capture them and drag them in by their hair or something. But that's the way that this rabid pro-abort mob is characterizing pro-life centers, clinics, and homes.

They don't want to inform choice at all. And it's going to get to the extent, as we've already seen in the U.K., a woman arrested because she's standing silently. They said, are you praying? Well, it might be. Okay, you're under arrest, you know, outside of an abortion clinic. Absolutely insane what is happening. But of course, you're in California, and California is kind of ground zero for this collusion with big pharmaceutical companies, with Planned Parenthood. I think one of the reasons why this may be happening now, just a guess, but, you know, Javier Becerra, who used to be the attorney general there, is now head of HHS.

FDA is under his umbrella there. And he took over from Kamala Harris. I call her Lala Harris. He took over from her because, you know, coming after David Daleiden. And what we found in discovery of that, as he's going through a horrific ordeal personally, but the fruit of that has been that we found out that it was the NIH and Francis Collins and Fauci who were one of the biggest customers of this trafficking in baby body parts, using it to create humanized mice. I mean, it's just unbelievable how evil this whole thing is and how many politicians are

building their career on it. Yeah. Well, we know from the documents from University of California, San Francisco, or yeah, San Francisco, that that's kind of ahead of where they train abortionists and they actually need baby tissues like little kidneys and brain and heart and genital organs. They harvest and they actually have procedures. This has all been exposed by Pro-Life San Francisco. Prolifesf.org is I think their website.

And they've been exposing this to show what type of bizarre harvesting of fetal tissue is going on in the name of science at UCSF. Because that's how they're educating abortionists. Well, this is inhumane because what they want to injections that kill the baby before you remove the tissues, right? Because that'll start eroding the tissue. It's called digoxin. It's digoxin. That's it. Digoxin.

And that's a chemical that, you know, kills the baby, but it ruins the tissue. And so we don't want to use that because we really want to harvest the baby's tissue very fresh. And this is going on at UCSF. So, I mean, this is all a business. It's a business to fund research, as you were saying, Dr. Fauci and all this. And you're absolutely right. Becerra came out of California and is now, he was the one that, the case NIFLA versus Becerra was, NIFLA is a national organization that's pro-life, and they defeated Becerra's demand that, I believe it required pro-life clinics to advertise, they were going to have to say, well, if you want an abortion here, we'll give you referrals. I believe if I'm remembering the case correctly, and it went all the way to the

Supreme Court and the Supreme Court says, no, this is first amendment protected speech and you can't mandate it, Javier Becerra. So I mean, that NIFLA versus Becerra is controlling Supreme Court law now. And it's a first amendment case. They've been so hostile to informed consent, whether it is about the right to life or whether it is about the right to choose whether or not you want an abortion. It's amazing. And the commercial aspect of it is very clear as well. You know, when you're talking about the fresh kill aspect of these abortions, we talked about that for a while. It was interesting that in the debate about redefining when brain death occurs so that they can get organ donation. And that underscored and showed, again, how they want to make sure that they grab the organs all at once.

Because after the person dies, it deteriorates very rapidly. And so that underscored what we had always been saying about the fact that the baby needed to be born alive, and then they would kill it by extracting the organs. And that really shows what happens if we ignore and do not value life. They will do that to us on the back end of life as well. It's full circle. When we start talking about, well, brain death and when they're going to grab the organs, if we don't defend that on babies, then it will happen to adults at the end of their life. And let's talk a little bit about the other aspect of this, because it brings up some troubling consequences for people who work as pharmacists and don't want to be involved in providing abortions. As you point out in your flyer here, I thought this was excellent, besides

opening up 18,000 plus abortion clinics nationwide by pushing this out through the big box retailers like CVS and Walgreens. And of course, I'm sure it'll be in all the different grocery stores that have pharmacies. Uh, you know, they will, they will do the same thing. I, I, when I go through the grocery store here, all these ads about, you know, get your COVID vaccine and so forth. It's a, it's a profit center for them. So I'm sure that they would, they got pharmacies so they could fill this prescription, but I like what you had to say here. Can I have some ivermectin? No.

Can I have pain medication for my kids because they have limited purchasing of ibuprofen and acetaminophen? No, you can't have that. Can I have opioids and an abortion pill? Oh yeah, you can have that. And you can get a vaccine too, you know. Right, right, yeah.

It's amazing. It's amazing. Big pharma is all. It's amazing. It's amazing. Big Pharma is all about the money now. It's really not about health. But talk about the aspect of the people who are there that are going to be forced to provide this now or get kicked out of their job. I mean, how many times are they going to say, well, I'm not forcing you to do anything. You can choose to do this or I'm going to fire you, that type of thing. That's one of the big concerns is the conscience protection. And I don't remember this exactly,

but I think there's something going through Congress on this. And I'm sorry, I can't recall it, but it is a huge concern because if I am a pro-life pharmacist right and I don't believe I that I can in good conscience prescribe an abortion pill because I know you know myth of pristone the purpose is you know basically it's being used for an abortion and let's say I'm a catholic pharmacist I said well I can't dispense this drug there there are laws I think going through California and I'm trying to remember exactly what it is, but they're trying to force people who have a conscience that says, I can't do this, to do it anyway. And so that you can be intimidated. You might lose your job because you say, I can't fill this prescription. Because again, now this prescription is health care you see abortion is health care you see

death is health care that's the first lie that they started telling 50 years ago this was margaret sanger and her buddy alan gutmacher they tried to align health care with abortion and that's the first lie they've been telling and this for 50 years they've been telling women that abortion is your fundamental right as health care and now they're taking away your rights your fundamental rights and this is this is the crazy that they're doing never mind that they're they're at we're at the threshold of requiring doctors and pharmacists to perform abortions against their own conscience and say you know if you're an abortion if you're an obGYN, you have the training to perform an abortion. But what if you did say, I am not going to perform an abortion that there's no, the mother's life is not in jeopardy. And that's another whole lie that

they, they, they always say, well, it's the mother's health. There, there is always, there is always an exception, if you will, for the life of the mother because we're about saving the life of the mother. That's never been an issue. When any doctor approaches a situation where you have two lives in jeopardy, like a mother who is pregnant and is having trouble giving birth, the doctor has to do triage, right? And he decides what's the best way that I can get both of them safely through this, right? And at some point, yes, there is the case where perhaps the mother is in labor or there's some sort of problem, preeclampsia, who knows, an ectopic pregnancy is an obvious one, right? Then the doctor has to make a choice and saves the mother's life.

That is not inconsistent with our standards. And to say that we, to make up some sort of claim that, well, we need an exception to abortion for the life of the mother that already exists. What they're trying to do with abortion is saying, well, you know, for the mental health of the mother. So she's a little stressed out. Right. OK. that's not the same thing as the life of the mother. That is just not the same thing. And that is another one of these lies that they've been trying to sell, that abortion is somehow health care for the mental health of the mother. Because I said, I can't kill a human being. I mean, I'm not Joseph Mengele. I don't experiment on babies. I'm not Hitler. I don't put people in ovens and kill them. But you're forcing me to do that because you think you have some sort of superior right to mental health? This is what, again, this is cultural Marxism. This is this is what this is what they're there again. This is cultural Marxism This is exactly what this is and they're setting up this conflict so that they can go after and target

pro-life doctors and pro-life pharmacists and anyone in the chain so that they can demonize you and then take you out that And they can threaten you with a loss of job. So this is it's almost a form of hostile work environment or harassment in a way, but it's coming through the government, through these laws. Kind of a Milgram experiment, you know? What do you do for the person in authority when he tells you to do this? It truly is, I'm just following orders type of thing. So this is a workaround that is now being pushed and elevated, perhaps because Javier Becerra is there, but perhaps it's because it's the abortionist industry's reaction to Dobbs. So this is their workaround. You're a lawyer.

You are the vice president of legal affairs at the Right to Life League, and we'll talk about the work that happens there in a moment here. But what do we do to go on offense with this? vice president of legal affairs at the right to life league. And we'll talk about the work that happens there in a moment here, but what, what do we do to go on offense with this? I mean, you're living in California, so you're constantly probably playing defense as the, as the California government is, is coming after people left and right. Uh,

but, but what can we do in other States, um, you know, to, uh, to change this? I mean,

we could, we could have laws enacted at the state level that would stop this over-the-counter sell. Is that right? Well, I think Florida Governor DeSantis recently just came out with a statement, and he has sent a letter to all of the pharmacists in Florida, I understand, through this article. He warned, he he said look Florida state law Prohibits anyone from performing an abortion other than a doctor. We have very strict laws here in Florida They allow abortion up to 15 weeks So long as it's performed by a doctor and the doctor has to do an ultrasound and the scan it has to basically make some Determinations, but that's the law in Florida

And so governor de santis has been very brilliant about it to go ahead and put all of these pharmacies on alert that you will be prosecuted if you violate state law. So the way you fight back is strengthening state laws. And a lot of the states have, what, 19 states have meaningful restrictions. And that is the way you play this, is you say, I don't care if the FDA is passing out abortion pills like candy or fentanyl, right? There's just everywhere. No, we have laws in this state, fill in the blank, Texas or whatever, and we will prosecute pharmacist chains that dispense this drug by over-the-counter or not over-the-counter, but by prescription because we don't allow

that in our state. So I would look to Florida law if I were crafting a law. I would look at Florida law and say, well, how did they do it? What are the requirements under their law for performing an abortion? It's with a doctor. I would copy all of that, and I would put that in place in all of these other different states, because that seems to strengthen it. And then you need to have, of course, an executive branch that has the guts to go after, you know, whether it's Walgreens or CVS or something and say, no, we're enforcing our state laws. You can't disrespect our state laws.

That's right. I would imagine a lot of state laws already define it that way and say, hey, you've got to have an ultrasound. You've got to have a physician who actually does this. This does not qualify. But as you point out, you've got to have somebody who is actually going to enforce that. I said for years, and I was so surprised when the Dobbs decision came out because I thought it was just a political football for these people. I said for years, look, you had Roe v. Wade, and the Supreme Court came in and said, well, that's a state law, but we don't care what the state law is.

We're going to redefine when life begins and all the rest of this stuff. And I said, well, the appropriate response would have been for the Texas governor at the time to say, well, you made your decision. Let's see you enforce it. We have the 10th Amendment, which says we make these laws at the local level. And after saying that for years, the Supreme Court agreed with me on Dobbs. So this is a state issue after all. And I knew it was a state issue. We've had all of these Republicans who had

campaigned on being pro-life, and yet they sat there passively for 50 plus years while over 60 million kids or whatever, I think it's around that. 65 million? 65, yeah, were murdered. Because they didn't have the

guts or the backbone to actually enforce their own law, to enforce the powers that they have under the Constitution on the 10th Amendment. So that's what we need is we probably most states probably have that type of thing saying you have to have a physician do the abortion and it has to be a an ultrasound or something like that. Or, you know, at least a clinic or something, you know, somebody that is trained evidently with credentials. I would imagine most states have that. You just have to have somebody who's going to enforce it, I think. Well, yeah. And there you go. We're back to the executive branch and DOJ and things like that. And we have a federal government that is at odds with the laws of our states. It's disrespecting the laws of our states. That's the only thing that Dobbs really did, is just said, look, this is not our issue. We have overstepped

our bounds as a Supreme Court because we are a court of limited jurisdiction. We really can't handle this. This is a state's matter. I wish, frankly, they had gone farther. I wish that they had looked at the US Declaration of Independence and said, oh, our rights come from God, not government. We believe that our creator has endowed us with certain inalienable rights, among those being the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Huh, that informs our constitution. The right to life is the very first right. And from that flows freedom.

And from freedom allows you to pursue happiness. So without life, you don't have freedom. You don't have liberty. You don't have anything else. So I wish they had looked to, instead of looking back into the common law and all of the different states, it was very good what Alito did

because he documented the history of our laws that we have never been a pro-abortion nation and that put the lie to all of the people who said we were. But I wish he had looked at the Declaration of Independence and said, the right to life. That is what informs our Constitution, because we are a republic and we believe that God gives us these rights. And then, as individuals, we collectively dispose those rights upon the states. But he didn't.

And that is why we need men and women in our Congress to have a backbone, find one, rent one if necessary, and actually enact a personhood amendment in our Constitution. That's the only way we're going to get this done. Yeah, and it ultimately does come down to personhood. Tell us a little bit about the Right to Life League. Tell us a little bit about your work and what your organization does. Well, the Right to Life League was founded in 1967. So that's long before Roe v. Wade was even a thing. It's like six years before. And it was formed by a group of doctors and lawyers and concerned citizens who wanted to lobby then-Governor Ronald Reagan against signing the very first therapeutic abortion bill. It's called the

Billinson Bill. And so they went up to Sacramento. They had a 15-minute conference with Governor Reagan, which ended up going over an hour, I'm told. And in that conference, he was educated because he learned what an abortion really was. This is before ultrasound, before we have the science that tells us that this is a human being, separate DNA, everything. And when he understood from these doctors and lawyers really what an abortion truly is, that it's the murdering of a child in the womb, he was very dismayed because he'd already given his word to the Democrats to sign the Billinson Bill. And he said, well, I can't break my word, but I give you the Right to Life League, my word that I will never again sign another piece

of pro-abortion legislation. And he kept his word all the way through his presidency. So that's how we got started. And from that, so we've always tried to fight against bad laws. The second thing that we have done is always tried to educate the public as we did with Reagan about the truth of abortion. Abortion is not healthcare. Again, if we were talking

about saving the life of the mother, you deliver her. You can deliver a woman in mere moments, right? And that will end what preeclampsia or whatever the stress is. You don't have to kill the baby. And in fact, in later situations with the second and third trimester, an abortion takes days because you have to insert laminaria to expand and soften the cervix so that you can get the tools up in there to rip the baby apart. That takes days, which risks the mother's health. If you're really talking about life-saving actions, it's delivery of the baby. That would count with an ectopic pregnancy because that's not going to be viable and

you can remove the ectopic pregnancy because that's not going to be viable and you can remove the ectopic pregnancy surgically and safely. So that's why abortion is never necessary. Abortion is not healthcare. And then the third thing we do, which is our signature, our flagship that I believe no one else in the United States does, is that we help pro-life clinics, centers, and maternity homes in California keep their doors open so that they can minister to these abortion-minded women and change their mind hopefully, right? And come alongside them. So we fund their operations,

give them ultrasound machines. We give them all kinds of legal trainings, HR boot camps, and answer questions about, well, how can I stay in compliance with all of the corporate laws of California? And there are a lot. And also operate as a medically licensed clinic, because that is something that you're doing if you're offering a pregnancy test or an ultrasound. In fact, Gloria Allred sued us long back in the day, claiming that these clinics were, because they were all centers, pro-life centers. None of them were clinics. They were all centers run by a lot of

nice church ladies saying, well, we'll offer you a pregnancy test, which back in the day, you had to kill a rabbit or something and it cost 50 bucks. I don't know. So it wasn't, it was not easy. It wasn't something that you could just get over the counter. And so young women would want to get a pregnancy test. These pregnancy centers said, well, we'll give you the test for free, right? And then give them the results in a week or however long it took. Gloria Allred sued these centers and said, you are practicing medicine without a license. And so the Right to Life League stepped up to defend these centers.

We lost that case. And Gloria Allred prevailed. And so all of the medical, like pro-life clinics, if you say you're a clinic, you're a medically licensed clinic in the state of California. That means you have, there's certain hoops you got to jump through. So now we have pro-life wonderful people who a lot of sometimes volunteer coming out of maybe a church or faith communities. And they find themselves the head of, you know, an executive director, the head of a corporate, you know, board, and they're running a medical clinic. And how do they do that? And they don't have the training. So they have to, they have to reach out

to somebody, right? Who do they call? They call the right to life league so that they can get the help they need to keep their doors open. That's what we do. That's really important because there's so many traps laid for them in the law. Uh. As you pointed out, it really is a trap. My wife worked as a volunteer for a crisis pregnancy center years ago, and I told her, I said, the most important thing is ultrasound. I said, people need to start making ultrasound better so that people can really understand what they're looking at. That's a very powerful animated film.

I'm sure you've seen it. Kevin Sorbo, or what's his name? The actor. Yeah. And he said it was called a procedure. Yes. And in that, they animated it so that you could see what was happening. But it was based on the experience of an ultrasound guy who knew exactly what he was looking at

because he was trained and it was horrific for them. So the brilliance of that was that they animated that so that we could all see that in detail. But as the technology has advanced, people can see how they're being lied to. And I think that is the fundamental thing there. But you've got to run defense for them. You've got to stand in the gap. You've got to help them. And that's what Right to Life League does. Because, again, they're coming after them with the knives out, every kind of legal trap that they can do. And it's amazing to me because these people in the clinics are just trying

to tell people the truth about what is happening. They don't have any benefit out of this thing. They're not making money out of this thing like Planned Parenthood is. People could understand the motivations of all this stuff. It truly is amazing to see the difference between these two different groups. Yes, and really these men and women that are sometimes just volunteering, they don't benefit from any of it. Most of them aren't volunteers. A lot of them don't get paid very well at all. And they're always under attack by Jane's Revenge or people like that. Or Rob Bonta, our attorney general, who is now threatening to come after all of that, you know, because you're not, you're not, you're being fraudulent and you're using misinformation to describe what you're doing.

What? We're just trying to convince people not to kill their babies. We're trying to give them hope. Right? So I guess he's under attack. I guess he's angling to become senator or vice president or the head of HHS or something, right? So I guess he's under attack. I guess he's angling to become senator or vice president or the head of HHS or something, right? Yeah. He just wants to be like Senator Elizabeth Warren, right? He just wants to be that. Yeah. I'm sure they're angling for something,

but it's just despicable because the legal arm is targeting an entire business, which is built just on generosity and charity and it it doesn't sell anything we have no you can go to our website right to life league.org you know right to life league.org we don't sell any merchandise we're not we're not in a profit position we're a non-profit right and and and all of these these pro-life clinics and centers that they're they're not for profit they're all trying to just do good and and yet they're being attacked. They're being in the media. They're being smeared and now being threatened with legal actions, all because the the abortion cartel is now you know connected with big pharma and they're selling pills and selling procedures the interesting thing just to show that that is about money planned parenthood is starting to move into the transgender therapies

and the transgender surgeries because they're losing market share you understand they lost 19 states right and now they're competing with big pharma and the abortion pill because that's a lot you know it's a lot cheaper and you don't get to do the you don't get to do the surgeries right so what is Planned Parenthood going to do they are revising their business model to now suggest and market transgender services well what does that mean that means you have to advertise to kids on tiktok or different places right and suggest to them you might not be a boy or if you feel uncomfortable as a girl and you're 12, you might want to consider transgender therapy. We'll chop off your breasts and mutilate your genitals and you'll feel better.

I mean, that's what they're doing and they're profiting from this. Well, they have a lot of experience in doing that to kids and telling them to hide stuff from their parents, don't they? So course. They're going to capitalize on that. Yeah, it's amazing. Absolutely amazing. Well, you are in California. Your organization started in California, but you go beyond California. Is that correct?

Well, we confine our services to pro-life clinic centers and homes in California because that is, look, this is where abortion started. And as you said, Becerra came from California. All of these different, you know harris right all of these luminaries in the abortion field they're starting in california and so this is the tip of the spear um we we you know we i'm pleased to go on shows like yours that have a national reach and different things but that that's where we're trying to get the word out to we want to educate nationally but but the action is in California to stop this in California and to save babies here. That's right. Yeah, they're kind of the tip of the spear with

that. You know, as you were talking about saving the life of the mother and how that has never really been an issue, that is kind of a canard that they throw out there. It reminded me at the beginning of, we just had, I don't know, there's a continuation of the Game of Thrones and another network had another one that was kind of like that. And I forget which one of the two it was because I don't watch either one of them. But I saw the reports about how they had this bloody birth because the king decided that he wanted the baby and they killed the mother. That's what Hollywood and California is selling to people.

That this ruthless patriarch decides that he's going to kill his wife because there's a complication he's got to decide between one of them so yeah kill her I'll take the baby it's absolutely upside down and and it's the way that they sell this and you're right this really does come from that is kind of the epicenter of all this stuff in California truly is amazing that's the media the narrative and all the entertainment business all of it it's all tied in together and there there must be some sort of really dark money or some sort of seedy underbelly that we're just not very aware of because it it foments itself and they come i i have not seen either of these shows that you're talking about but it sounds horrific and then but the subliminal

message is um it's dangerous to be pregnant and if you have a problem, your husband might kill you, right? Or your life will be sacrificed for the baby. Instead of the truth of the matter is what medical doctors do is they save lives. They are committed by the Hippocratic oath to save the mother's life and the baby's life. And yes, if there's a choice to be made, he's going to do the very best he can or she will do the best she can to save lives. But it's all about saving life. And yet we're throwing away half of the life. We don't even consider the baby when we're talking about abortion chemicals.

Right. And now we're not even considering the health of the mother. Right. Because we know 26 women have died because of, you know, associated with the use of this myth of crystal. So this is not safe. Abortion is unnatural. women have died because of you know the associated with the use of this the crystal so i believe this is not safe for abortion is unnatural that something else that california really intrigued intrigues me everybody here is into organic chicken and everything's got to be you know we're all holistic and we're doing our yoga and we have to have purified water everything is very holistic and yet here are these women willing to gulp down

pills that actually interfere with the basic biology. It shuts down your ovaries in the case of like Planned Parenthood, I mean, sorry, Plan B, sorry, but you know, to suppress ovulation, right? Or if you've already conceived a baby, right, you want to abort it, you're taking some drug that interferes with the natural process of your body, right? It interferes with progesterone. It starves the baby. Well, you know, I just think if we had, and again, there was so much stuff in terms of mandating abortions over people's religious objections

and things beginning in California, that type of thing. If we had stood on protecting life, if we had understood the principles involved here a long time ago, that would have been a very powerful tool to wield against these people who held a hypodermic needle to our head and said, take this or you're out. So it's very important, the work that you're doing. Thank you so much, Susan Swift. She is the Vice President of Legal Affairs at the Right to Life League. That's righttolifeleague.org. Is that correct? That's right. Thank you very much, Susan. Thank you for what you do. God bless you and God

bless America. Thank you. You're listening to The David Knight Show. If you like the Eagles, the cars, and Huey Lewis and the Eagles, the Cars, and Huey Lewis and the News, you'll love the Classic Hits channel at APS Radio. Download our app or listen now at APSradio.com. All right, I think we have James Bovard joining us now. I think we've been able to make connection. Can you hear me, Mr.

Bovard? Yeah, I can hear you. Sorry for the delay on my side. No problem. No problem. Things happen. It's great to have you on a James Bovard is introduction. In case you don't know James, he's been around for quite a while and, um, writing many, many

books. How many books have you written? I talked to her about 10, 10, 10 so far, and you're still working on them. I love the one I talked about earlier, attention deficit democracy. I love that title. And of course you're always writing for various publications, the Mises Institute, a libertarian. You wrote a right on all things political and economic. And so it's great to have you on.

And I wanted to talk, earlier in the show, I talked about biometrics, and you just recently had an article about facial recognition and things like that. I talked about a case where someone was arrested and jailed simply on that. They always talk about how biometric surveillance and identification is just going to be a starter into their process. But of course, we've seen that it's worked out very differently. It's extending in so many different ways. I think your article was about TSA, wasn't it? Yeah, it was. I've smacked TSA around a lot over the last 20 years and they deserve it. They've smacked us around a lot whenever I, that's true. I mean, hey,

it's payback you know that's right i'm just trying to settle my debts from those airpoint checkpoints um yeah so this is on the um the tsa facial surveillance tsa is starting to set up all these and they have set up a bunch of uh places uh and airports where their people check in by having their face scanned. And it's on a trial basis now, but the TSA is probably going to try to mandate that nationwide sometime later this year. Yeah, it's always this mission creep, isn't it? And the creeps who are patting us down and all the rest of this stuff.

When I was in Texas, they had the House put in and passed it unanimous. They said, you're not going to have these body scanners, and you're not going to pat kids down when that first rolled out. And I don't know if you recall, but they said, well, if you don't allow us to do this, we're going to make Texas a no-fly zone. And they got that shut down when it went to the Texas Senate. The lieutenant governor there at the time pushed back on that. But we subsequently found out out that was in 2011, uh, that, um, they had said, and some

TSA documents, because one guy who pushed back against the machines and the violation of privacy and a lawsuit, he got discovery and they, they mistakenly put up that in 2011, the TSA said in their own documents, there's no threats to airports or airplanes. And that's the same time they're telling everybody, we've got to roll these things out and we've got to do all these things. So they're constantly pushing this, but it seems like the biometric database and biometric collection is really what they're focusing on right now

because they're rolling out in every way possible a digital ID for everyone worldwide. That seems to be what the focus is right now, a major thrust. Yeah, I mean, this is interesting. That's a nice bit, a good example from 11 years, 12 years ago. People should not forget back when these whole body scanners that take nude photos of you were first introduced, TSA said that would be voluntary. Then it became mandatory, and TSA used punitive enhanced pat-downs on people who did not voluntarily go through those whole body scanners. I had some memorable experiences with that that uh made some lively articles

every time i fly i refuse to go through it i want to make it difficult for them and they try to make it difficult for me they make me go stand by the x-ray machine i refuse to stand by the x-ray machine so i get the enhanced bat down all the rest of the stuff but it's it's gotten to the point now with all the covid and mask and everything i've just decided i'm not going to fly yeah it's um it's it's a frustrating business i mean it's it's and it it's increased a fatality rate because you've had a lot of people have the same reaction that you do they are driving instead of flying and the uh the accident rate for driving is much higher than flying, though there's less aggravation from TSA. But so that's had an adverse effect on public safety. There was a lawsuit by the Competitive

Enterprise Institute that tried to challenge the TSA mandate for the whole body scanners based on the increased accident rate from autos that people would be shifted over to driving because of the, to avoid the scanners. And the federal court found some reason to dismiss that lawsuit. But no, I mean, TSA is exasperating in so many different levels, but it is very secretive. It's very difficult to get information from the agency as far as what it's actually done. The TSA encourages people if they felt like they had been mistreated to file a complaint, but then TSA makes it very difficult for journalists to get copies of those complaints. So it's like, okay, so you're just throwing your complaint into a black hole.

Yeah. Oh, yeah, absolutely. They should have to, we should have to prove to them uh that we are no threat we shouldn't have to prove to them that there's going to be more accidents on the road they should have to prove to us they have a constitutional authority to do something like this that's the real yeah it's yeah i mean uh that's a great point of the constitutional authority and here again it's one's one of those Washington DC shell games because the, the,

the thing TSA has said in court is that there was no fourth amendment issue as far as warrantless searches, because people have voluntarily submitted to be searched at those checkpoints. However, TSA also says that if you aren't searched, you can't fly. That's right. So, I mean.

And if we allow those types of things to happen, that's the same kind of prevarications that they were using saying, you know, I'm not mandating any vaccines for you. I'm just telling you, you know, you, you got a choice, you know, you can have a job, you can have a life, uh, you know, if you take the vaccine and if you don't, uh, you won't have any of those things, but it's not a mandate. I'm not forcing you to do anything. I'm not coercing you. It's like, oh, court. Yeah, you are, you know, if you take the vaccine and if you don't, uh, you won't have any of those things, but it's not a mandate. I'm not forcing you to do anything. I'm not coercing you. It's like, Oh, yeah, you are, you know?

Yeah. And it's funny to see how the history is being rewritten. As far as, uh, the, uh, COVID policies, there was a piece of New York times a day or two ago claiming that there had been no lockdowns here in the U S and, and I mean, this is like, uh, you know, how much further is this fantasy or welly and stuff going to go? It's like, you know, we never shut down their schools. The kids could have come, you know, this is, I love it. I love the quote that you had. You said that shutting down entire States with COVID lockdowns was the

equivalent of burning witches or sacrificing virgins to appease angry viral gods. And I think we know who those angry viral gods are. They're the NIH and the FDA, right? Well, yeah. I mean, it's very important to keep Mr. Fauci happy. So, and Fauci won lockdown. So voila, you know, we were locked down and, and it, you know, it helped his,

you know, bonuses for his books or whatever. it, you know, it helped his, um, you know, bonuses for his books or whatever. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. I was talking earlier, uh, about, uh, Trump's rediscovery of the war on drugs. Oh, that's going to prosecute that. You know, that's always, that sounds very uplifting.

Yes. Yes. I said, uh, okay, boomer, uh, you know, this is something that's failed for over 51 years and somehow he's going to make it work, even though he didn't do anything with it, uh, in his four years. But again, that's another one of these things. Where's your constitutional authority for that? Uh, I think it's, it's very interesting to see how this, this war on drugs just continues

to go on. And this is what concerns me about uh covid and all of these uh legal pre-verification uh prevarications that they use to establish this i keep a running total from you know and there's other things that were done in the in the build up to this pandemic lockdown but i focus it back on the day that he declared the executive emergency declaring us a state of emergency so he could uh slather money all over everybody to do all these nasty things. March the 13th of 2020. We're now 1,030 days into this.

And, of course, Biden has piggybacked his own tyranny on top of that executive order. And nobody is talking about getting rid of that. There's a few states that are talking about, well, we need to start looking at executive orders. But really nothing is being done about that. What do you think? There have been some challenges in court. I mean, I don't know how far they've gone and what exactly they've managed to get struck down at state level. It's, you know, it's amazing how docile most people have been to the federal power grabs on this pandemic.

And you have Biden, you know, pulling one rabbit out of the hat after another. And Biden's claim that thanks to the pandemic, he's got to forgive a trillion dollars in student loans. I mean, this is the kind of thing that, you know, should not have passed the laugh test in the White House. But maybe the white house is so accustomed to getting away with so much nonsense this is like well sure let's just you know let's take this and run up the flagpole and see if we get away with it in federal court yeah there's been so many grabs you've got the cdc saying we're going to suspend all evictions and foreclosures because of this and and the way that that continued to go on and on

and on. And again, it was a bipartisan thing. They initiated that under Trump. They extended it under Trump. And you had, you know, Trump appointee at the Supreme Court said, well, you can continue this even though you don't have any authority for it. Then finally, they said, well, we're going to have to stop this because they extended it past their deadline that they'd promised to stop it. But I guess when we look at this, the overall trend that we see is that there just absolutely is no more attention whatsoever paid to the Constitution or even the rule of law. You've got now the precedent of doing gun control by executive order. I mean, how do we pull this back? Do you think that there's – I'm looking at this political theater that's going on right now in the House as they're having the votes on the speaker and it's going on and on and on.

But they have talked about a real issue, and that is that the Congress is totally dysfunctional, even compared to the dysfunctional Congresses of history. They've always been locked. Yeah, that's a good point. I think it was Congressman Chip Roy who was saying that it's been like four or five years since they had to vote on the House floor to amend any of the bills. Yeah. Because everything is just jammed through. It's a total facade of a representative government. What's interesting is to see the panic of a lot of the mainstream media over the delay in choosing a new speaker.

And it's kind of funny because Biden is going to make his speech today at 2 o'clock is um his second anniversary of january 6th and he's going to um basically paint everyone who was there as a um you know as a terrorist or as a terrorist supporter or whatever i mean that's that's a label the fbi is used for everybody they've charged on for january 6th for for parading inside the capitol yeah um it's a strange form of terrorism but yeah that's uh yeah a part of what fascinates me is that the media has bought into the biden line that there was some grave damage done to america because there was a five or six hour delay in confirming the results of the 2020 election. And I'm thinking, well, if that somehow hurt America, then okay. So we've had like three or four days going, trying to choose a speaker.

And I don't see how it's done any harm at all to America, but I mean, you have a Brian, Brian kill me at Fox news, calling them insurrectionists. I mean, yeah, well well he called them insurrectionist and and uh his co-host said well i don't think they would want that i think we should call them saboteurs or something it's like like i don't know if that's any better than insurrectionist but that's what's happening now two years later it's i mean the thing that shows is how so many people will have a comfort blanket from just the notion that Congress is in charge and that Congress will keep an eye on things. I

mean Congress has done a miserable job of oversight for almost forever but certainly since 9-11. Oh yeah. And I don't see how it makes any difference if there's a you know if there's a speaker and I mean it's you know it's probably gonna work out. No I shouldn't say that. I've got to respect the defamation laws. Um, no, I, you know, I don't understand. I don't understand how folks, um, are, are, are willing to be comforted by the selection of a, um, by having some politicians vote for another politician and that's somehow

going to keep us safe and, you know, somehow make the government's going to serve us. You know, it's, it's bizarre. I'd like to see them go the full two months like they did in 1855 without, we could at least keep the government shut down for two months. That'd be one way to do it. But you know, when you look at what Chip Roy was saying, he was saying we've been completely shut out of the process. This is something that's being done by, you know, four or five people at the top or whatever. And, uh, we we've seen, and people have talked about, this is something that, you know, we first saw under Pelosi with Obamacare, where they bring in this several thousand page bill and they say, okay, yeah, we're going to have a vote on this in 24 hours. It's like, what, you know, how can you do this? But the reality is, is that that's

just the tip of the iceberg, that absurdity. The other part of it is, is that even if they found something in there that they didn't like, they shut them out of the process on the floor to make any changes to it. So it's completely dysfunctional. And they have shipped everything over to the bureaucracy anyway. Yep. It's interesting that there's either a little recognition of that by the press corps or else the press corps doesn't say anything because it basically supports the idea of putting government on a pedestal and average citizens don't really need to know what the government's doing. That's right. Yeah. Talking about a bureaucracy, you've got an article, Biden's bloated IRS will skewer taxpayers. taxpayers um uh this is one of the issues that has been uh sticking with everybody that's you

know growing the irs by what eightfold or something at 87 000 uh new agents and uh kevin mccarthy trying to get support says it's going to be the first thing i do is is get rid of this he doesn't say how he intends to get rid of that uh but uh you point out the media has gone to bat for the IRS. How'd they do that? Well, it was fascinating to see how the controversy over the IRS funding bill, Biden made a big push to have this bill to hire 87,000 new IRS agents and employees to sharply increase the amount of audits that are carried out. There's almost no focus on customer service, improving customer service, even though I think in the last year, the IRS answered fewer than 10% of the calls from taxpayers seeking help or insights on how to pay their taxes.

But it was fascinating to see how the Washington Post, for instance, was just terrified of any criticism of the IRS. This is back when Biden was pushing the bill back this past summer. Dana Milbank, a Post columnist, said that the GOP anti-IRS rhetoric is one of the hallmarks of authoritarianism. So you criticize the IRS and you're an authoritarian. Where did I go wrong? Well, you know, it's been said, I forget who said it, but they said a law that is sufficiently complex is the same as having no law at all. The IRS code is so complex that a disgruntled agent can do whatever they want to, to you in an audit. That's, that's the thing that strikes fear into people's hearts.

And I'm sure it scares the Washington post as well, but they don't have the courage to oppose that kind of authoritarian system. And that's the true authoritarianism as we all know, right? Yeah. And you know, part of what people don't realize with these IRS audits is that in tax court, any allegation the IRS makes is presumed correct. Yeah. The IRS doesn't need to put evidence on the table to prove that someone had this income, which they failed to report. It's simply presumed correct. And the burden of proof shifts to the taxpayer. I mean, it's not like in a federal criminal court where the burden of proof is on supposedly on the prosecutors. But so the entire

system for tax administration is just profoundly biased against what's, you know, what's normally considered to be due process. And of course, that is the issue with government by bureaucracy, where we don't, you know, we have taxation without representation, but we have regulation without representation. They say that if it's a rule coming from the bureaucracy, that it is not a law. And so you don't get any due process. That's the basis of civil asset forfeiture. And that's been the basis of the IRS. The IRS was infamous for a long time because they were the only agency that's doing that. But now we've got all kinds of agencies that do that for all kinds of reasons. It became a central sticking point of the war on drugs. But you've seen the FAA come out and say, well, if you don't get a $5 license from us or whatever it was when

they started wanting to license light drones above a certain weight limit. If you don't get that license and it's a minimal fee and we find you flying without a license, we'll hit you with $25,000. And then they walk that back after complaints. But look at what has happened as people were upset about having to be forced to wear masks on airplanes. And they were hitting people with tens of thousands of dollar fines, left and right, because there's no protection against excessive fines,

just like there's no due process and no presumption of innocence when it's the bureaucracy that's coming after you. Yeah, and there's been nothing to curtail the bureaucracies from pulling new rules out of their hat and slapping them on. One of my favorite examples is back a few years after it was created, TSA created a secret system of attitude fines, which, you know, true story, true story. People can be fined up to $1,500 for showing a bad attitude towards TSA agents who were patting them down or, you know, sticking their hands anywhere. I mean, hey, it was impossible to penalize the TSA agents because the federal courts gave them a, you know,

a, you know, gave them a pass. but there were all these, all these citizens would, would, uh, get hit with fines. Sometimes weeks after they flew, they took a flight and all of a sudden, well, you know,

the TSA says that you showed a bad attitude or you said this or that, the other, I mean, geez, I mean, you talk about making fly expensive. Boy, I didn't realize just how I had skated through.

I've had, I could have had a long list of those things because like i said every time i go through there i say nope you're gonna pat me down and uh i don't have a good attitude about it either yeah and and something else is that the tsa has the secret watch list uh which which basically uh you know tell the screeners to you know target certain travelers. And there are all these criteria. And one of which was people who are publicly notorious.

So that's all it takes to trigger the TSA alarm on the secret watch list. And since you've criticized the TSA many times, I don't know, maybe you'd be on that list. I'm probably on so many different government lists. It would be really entertaining for me to do a FOIA request someday. Good luck in your response. I'd have to sue them, I guess, to get any information. Talk about this, because, you know, we're here on the anniversary of January the 6th. And I got fired for opposing Trump and Stop stop the steal and all the rest of this stuff

and and um uh you know so when we look at it i've said for the longest time i said mail-in ballots which trump helped to establish were the key in terms of the election you've got an article that's on the new york post twitter files reveal how federal censors made mail-in ballots sacred. How did they make it sacred? Well, what happened was the DHS had a branch that was pushing Twitter, Facebook, and other social media and internet companies to suppress criticism of mail-in ballots. There's a group, a new think tank called the foundation for freedom online which has done some great work it showed how some of the federal grantees were pulling strings and basically uh getting tens getting millions of uh tweets and facebook posts and

other things which criticize mail-in ballots getting those suppressed. Yeah, that was the key thing, I thought. You know, I said, people who were going to go to January 6th, I said, you know, look, Trump helped to establish this. He didn't do anything to oppose it. That is the new wrinkle that's been added to it. And of course, we know that elections have been corrupt in so many different ways for so long, and it begins even with ballot access, debates, uh, debate access, gerrymandering. You got so many different ways that they have manipulated it, but, um, you know,

the, the ability to, uh, rig electronic machines and the ability to have these mail-in ballots and all the rest of the stuff I said, it's just taking it to, uh, an astronomically high and new level. And yet nobody wants to talk about that. And nobody wants to talk about Trump's complicity in that as well. Uh, it seems to me like everybody was complicit in that and they have really established that as a new precedent. I don't think that's going to go away. Well,

I don't know if everybody was complicit and there were some people who tried to push back and give warnings, especially on the mail-in ballots and things like ballot harvesting. I mean, where you've got a total loss of chain of custody of the ballot and you just have someone show up with this basket of ballots and said, yep, yep, people gave these to me. How do we know? Hey, you know, it's the, you know, it's fascinating how Biden has tried to make any kind of any type of verification of voters identity, a civil rights violation. It's like, it's so bizarre. But no, I mean,

this is something which which both parties have screwed up on. It's interesting how poorly that the GOP did to push back against some of the provisions that were done in the, that helped, you know, help determine who won the 2020 election. Biden is giving a presidential service medal today in the White House to the Michigan Secretary of State who mailed 7 million absentee ballots to the everybody in michigan even though that wasn't allowed under state law as i understand michigan law so that was a violation of the u.s constitution clause for elections but uh you know it worked out well for biden so she gets a medal yeah i've called it the uh mail out election instead of a mail-in election. Mail-out election, that's a good term.

People have always mailed in ballots, absentee ballots, if they've got a legitimate issue. They can't be there because they're sick or they're going to be out of town or something, but that was always a very small thing. What changed with all this was that they made it this massive scale, as you were just saying, mailing it out to everybody. We've got a lot of cases where people were getting ballots sent to them by multiple jurisdictions because they were close to a dividing line or something like that.

And it's a bit confusing the way they gerrymander the places. So I guess even the people mailing the ballots out couldn't figure out if it was overlapping stuff there. But it's just total fraud anymore. Yeah. total fraud anymore. Yeah, and it was, you know, people, experts knew four or five years ago that mail-in ballots were probably, if not the biggest, one of the biggest sources of fraud

in elections. Something the New York Times pointed out a decade ago. But for some, you know, there were all this string pulling in 2020. Well, it's a pandemic, it's an emergency, so therefore we don't need to verify ballots anymore and then once they're buying ballots i'm sorry go ahead once they get it in they're never going to take it out you know i mean they're they i know they

want to keep the pandemic going and they're trying to bring it back with masks and all the rest of stuff but everybody knows and biden kind of slipped up and said yeah it's over and we know that it's over you don't see the public believing this they're not wearing the mask in china once they got the jackboot off of them uh and they're still trying to panic everybody about what's going on in china but traffic is soaring there the people who live there are not worried about it uh but yet they're pretending that this thing is never going to go away then once they got that little bit of authority they're going to hang on to it forever, aren't they? Yeah, it's frustrating.

It's frustrating, but maybe there'll be more effective pushback. I don't know. Let's talk a little bit about, because you've been a real champion about Julian Assange. You pointed out four years ago, I wrote in the USA Today column, calling for Assange to receive a Presidential Medal of Freedom. Well, instead of that, he got stabbed in the back, right? Uh, the guy that he helped, uh, what is going on with Julian Assange at this point? Is there any hope at this point? Well, maybe there's hope on the signs.

I don't know. There are the New York times and some other media outlets, uh, called in late November to drop the charges against him. It's interesting, back when the when Wikileaks made their biggest disclosures on Afghanistan and Iraq, the Obama administration looked at it and said that there was no basis for charging him with a violation of U.S. law. but the Trump administration came in and decided and filed charges against them and the Biden administration is pursuing those, uh, so, and the ACLU and some other groups have been very outspoken that this is a, a grave danger

to the first amendment because you're going after publishers. Uh, so, um, yeah, while they, while they lionize and talk about the Pentagon Papers and they lionize the Washington Post and New York Times and articles and in movies, they change it completely, change the narrative. Of course, they're saying that in order to get around that precedent, they're saying that Julian Assange participated in pilfering the documents, but that's the basis for the attack. But you talk about how everything is, you know, this happened

under the Trump administration, and the administrations don't really seem to mean that much. What we see is a gradual increase in tyranny. I remember interviewing Thomas Drake, and he said throughout the Bush administration, you know, the guy who's pushing the Patriot Act and all this other stuff, he said, they never came after me. It was during the Obama administration. You know, the guy who's pushing the Patriot Act and all this other stuff. He said, they never came after me. It was during the Obama administration that they did. And then Julian Assange, who is of great assistance to Trump, just by telling the truth about Hillary Clinton, then, um, they come after him.

This is the bureaucracy, I think, that is gradually expanding its reach each time. Don't you agree? Uh, yeah. Uh, uh, Thomas Drake was a hero. It was great that he stood up against the feds and whipped them in federal court. It's sad to see that it's not more controversial what the government is doing. I mean, I've been amazed that there wasn't more mainstream support for Julian Assange. There was a protest

to support freedom for him back in October. Um, and it was held at the, you know, there was a protest in London that got 7,000 people. They had one in DC, which I spoke at, which might've gotten 200. Uh, so I mean, it was as good that they did it, but I mean, it just, it just has not had traction. I don't, you know, well, the thing about it is it's a dangerous precedent.

You know, all these things are precedents and we need to start setting some precedents for Liberty and for the rule of law that we've got to somehow reverse this thing. And that's, what's so troubling to see this is that all the precedents that are being set are to take us deeper down into tyranny. Thank you so much for joining us, Mr. Bovard. Where can people find you? Jimbovard.com. I do quite a bit for New York Post, doing stuff for the Brownstone Institute, Libertarian Institute,

FFF, lots of places, and so far I haven't been indicted. That's something in this environment. Thank you so much for joining us. Always a pleasure talking to you. And thank you. Thanks for having me on. Thank you. And thank you to NN and to William Gardanis. Thank you for the tips.

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Joining us now is Tony Ardaban of WiseWolf.Gold. And Tony has graciously set up DavidKnight.Gold, where you can be redirected to his website sells gold and silver and bitcoin and we've been talking about you know the coming war on crypto and so many people are talking about how they think 2023 is going to be the year of gold i look at and i think it's going to be the year of cbdc but what's on your radar and and a happy new year. Second person I've interviewed.

First person I interviewed this year was Gard yesterday. I'm in good company just following Gard Goldsmith, the great Gard Goldsmith. That's right. I wanted to say I've got my David Knight mug, so it can't be a bad interview today. You can too, ladies and gentlemen. Go to thedavidknightshow.com and get yourself a David Knight mug. That's right. Thank you. I was listening to you this morning on my way into the to the shop and i heard you talk about how you could double your

income if you were to uh advocate for the vaccine and uh you know i i i felt a hint of maybe if you promoted maga and i thought it's not double david it'd be like a thousand it'd be like a thousand yeah i mean people don't realize when you take a line like you've taken where you're going against the grain of even the alternative media in a lot of ways that it's a lonely road sometimes but you've got a magnificent audience and people love you and want you to uh continue to do what you do because again here we are in 2023 how many predictions have come true from the great David Knight? And that's why.

Well, thank you. I look at it and it's like, uh, Martin Luther said, you know, God help me, but here I stand. I have to do it. You know? I mean, I couldn't, I could not do that. I could not deliberately lie to people about what is happening. Cause I'm going to stand before God one day. That's what Martin Luther understood as well. If we understand that we are accountable and that there's no way to escape this accountability,

and if we have any compassion for other people, we have to do it this way. I just can't understand the other approach to it. What a short-sighted, destructive approach that is to just do it for the money and think you're going to get away with it. It's just amazing. God knows your heart. God knows what you know, right? And then that's the thing about gaining financially by playing both ends against the middle, right, or hedging. I think this is not a time to triangulate or hedge.

We have to stand for the truth. And it's, I mean, you talk about the year of CBDC. Historically, David, what does that mean for us? You know, I think it's everything is on the line. It's, you know, Charlie Robinson has been on your show. He wrote the octopus of global control and the controlled demolition of the American empire. He said, CBDC is the hill to die on. That's right. I thought that is the most apropos statement I've heard in a long time. It is the hill to die on. And I, I, we talk about every time I come on because, you know, the mainstream is not going over this. I spoke to the young Republicans in Rockwell, Texas last week, right before the end of the year. And I said, raise your hand if you heard of CBDC. Nobody. Yeah. They're following these conservative lines and, you know, listening to Fox News and traditional talk radio. And I've got one hour on traditional conservative talk radio in San Antonio. So they haven't heard me.

But again, it's not being talked about. And it's the biggest story of our time. That's right. Yeah. And, you know, I've had Senator Frank nicely on interviewed him here in Tennessee. He's trying to put together an effort to, um, you know, have a state bank, you know, they're worried about, uh, just the financial issues, the collapse of the debt and all the rest of this stuff. But, you know, CBDC is also part of what he's concerned about. He

understands that. And, um, I interviewed him and he contacted me and said, you know, would you be willing to talk to, uh, trying to push this bill through? Would you be willing to speak in favor of it? I absolutely would love to do that. If I do that, I'm going to have this bill through. Would you be willing to speak in favor of it? I absolutely would love to do that. If I do that, I'm going to have to get you to take the program or guard or something. Do that. But, you know, I mean, that's how there's nobody talking about it, you know, and so they're scrambling around. They even find me to talk about it because nobody else is talking about it, you know. So they're desperate to find somebody that is paying attention to the CBDC because it

really is coming in under the radar. And it's coming in very fast. It's a stealth bomber that's going to deliver a nuclear bomb to our society if we don't stop this thing. We've got to have some safeguards and some alternatives about this. If you can't get a state bank, at least you can get gold and silver and things like that that are going to um uh to help you with that i mean that's that's the key thing you got to do something to preserve uh things for yourself because you can't count on any politicians at any level to be able to get this stuff done no you can't and you know you talked about opening uh and closing the last segment

with uh with dead bodies i think the next body you'd be talking about is the u.s dollar i talked about it being on hospice about a year ago um with the bricks nations emerging and and the new basket of of currencies that they're putting together the dollar is in a real crisis it's not talked about in the mainstream but again you know basket of currencies versus our basket case currency right but that's exactly right. And I think if you look to what's happening with the BRICS nations emerging, they don't want to deal in dollars anymore.

And again, I think that's going to be, it could be the crisis that's used to push the central bank digital currency. There's going to have to be some kind of problem reaction solution for them to really bring it in for people to accept it. That's right.

People like people accepted the lockdowns. And it's multidimensional, too. I mean, you know, as I was talking about the European Central Bank last couple of days, they're out there making the case. Look, proof of work like Bitcoin and all these other cryptocurrencies, proof of work is bad. It's using too much energy. It's dirty money. We got to go to proof of stake. You're going to go to something that's fiat. You're going to, the proof is going to be,

we say so, right? And so that's laying the foundation for CBDC. So they will have some kind of an economic collapse and a run. The FDIC is already talking about that. You know, hey, let's not tell everybody how shaky the system is because if we told them what we know, they would be really upset. That's a clip I played on Tuesday. And so they're going to have a financial crisis like that. But they're also creating this idea that any alternatives to CBDC that's out there like Bitcoin, that's got to be stopped because that's a threat to our survival because of the climate, McGuffin. Yeah.

And they'll go after Bitcoin first. Yes. Because Bitcoin doesn't have a company. It doesn't have a country. You can't centrally just shut it down like you can every other cryptocurrency on the market. I know there's a lot of great cryptocurrencies, but they all track back to someone who's in charge somewhere. You can't do that with Bitcoin. It was set in motion that way. And again, jury's still out. Is it good or bad? I don't know. I've used it since 2016 and Bitcoin's been pretty good to me. I don't promote it like I promote precious metals because I like that you can physically hold something in your hand as opposed to something digital.

But I do like Bitcoin. And it's funny, I read a book recently called Beef and Bitcoin. Somebody taking the cattle industry, promoting organic cattle farming and then you know how that's bashed and they took bitcoin at the same time and what the things about energy were brought up and so this uh this researcher said well let's see how much energy the actual banking industry uses and it just dwarfs bitcoin by factors of like a hundred i mean they use their atms and their branch locations and all the office everything else you is dwarf Bitcoin and it makes it look like nothing. So it's so much propaganda. That's kind of when you know you're in the right business, when you're getting criticized by the mainstream.

And I can see how this propaganda is going to be weaponized against Bitcoin. You know, as they're taking this tack that it's got to be shut down, just like internal combustion engines have to be shut down. They're going to, I played the clip of all the people pushing all these public figures, pushing the public to hate people who aren't vaccinated. You know, we all got our 15 months of hate. You know, it's even more than the opponent and big brother got.

You know, he only got 15 minutes of hate every day. But we got that continuously for many many many months and they will do the same thing they will vilify people who use crypto uh you're keeping us from being able to heat our homes you're keeping us from being able to go anywhere because we can't charge our electric cars they're going to do all of that stuff to demonize people who have crypto to get the public to hate them because you heard when you know jimmy, Jimmy Kimmel says, you know, you haven't been vaccinated. Sorry, pal, you're going to die. And all the people in this stupid audience are cheering.

That's what they're going to be able to do to anything that they want to take down. They have such amazing reach with their propaganda. Yeah, I can't wait for the Yale study to come out, like the one I read on your program back in 2020. I think it was right before August. It was like, oh, this is the shame strategy or the team factor strategy. They had every different strategy that you could use to get people to take the vaccine that wasn't even out yet.

Love your neighbor. It's science. It's a miracle. And you'll be like, I've seen this movie before. Yeah, that's how it was so easy to spot this because I've seen this movie before. Yeah, that's how it was so easy to spot this, because we had seen this movie before. We'd seen it with the vaccine industry, the flu shots and everything on an annual basis.

You know, it was a rerun, and it was something that they'd been practicing for 20 years. They'd laid the foundation for it for 20 years. As far as I'm concerned, it's why I started calling it COVID-9-1-1, COVID-9-11, because it was the uh the other shooter drop from 9-11 you know they were it's an extension of dark winter that's right yeah from the very beginning yeah also looking at the economy david uh you know michael snyder i don't know if you read this article there's 11 ominous signs for 2023 this came out a couple of days ago on

zero hedge and of course michael snyder writes for the economic collapse blog all 11 predictions were economic which i i agreed with all 11 and it really just not really predictions but just statements from like the imf the imf says and that's the international monetary fund says that the one-third of the world will be in a recession by the first or second quarter. I agree with that. And I think they're probably underestimating that, which is weird, too, because banks usually cheerlead the economy, even if it's the Bank of International Settlements or the IMF. They're always trying to keep calm. But they said that the IMF has said recently they want to raise rates and everyone should raise rates to save humanity,

to help people. And I'm thinking, when have you banksters ever done anything for humanity? But then I see articles in one of the same 11 signs that was in there was Michael Burry from the big short fame. He said that we're in a recession, all the key signs are there, and now the Fed's going to have to lower interest rates to stave off a recession. I don't think that they will because they've been raising rates. Again, I think the strong dollar is what they really care about, and the economy's always been secondary. If they can get both, they'll do it. But I don't know. I don't know what you think about that, David.

The IMF was calling for higher rates. The Bank of International Settlements said, hey, we raise rates, we're going to hurt the economy, and that's what's going to happen. I don't think they're going to be lowering rates. And, you know, of course, Michael Burry said when they lower rates again, it's going to cause even more inflation. I just don't know that they're going to go there. I think the economy to them, the regular everyday operating system to them is very much secondary to using the dollar as the world's reserve currency. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I would think that. I would think that they would try to because they want to keep the dollar as a reserve currency unless they just want to burn everything down and do a complete financial reset. I think they've gotten themselves in a situation where there is no good option to get out of this, right? Recession or inflation. And so I think that was all designed, I think. And we've been talking about this for a long time.

You and I have been talking about it and talking about it with Gerald, how they're intentionally blowing up the system so that they can impose their new normal on us and their new financial system. And all of this stuff has got to be in by 2030. And this is just part of the cycle that we're in with the fourth turning. They know that all the institutions are going to be re-evaluated. They want to make sure that they're the ones who are doing the redefinition of every

institution. And they're going to be the ones that are going to melt the institutions down deliberately so they can then build them up in the way that they want to build them up, I think. So I think it is a plan. That's why we have to work in parallel. We have to work outside of this system. The system that they created, they're going to burn down,

and then they're going to create an even worse system. And so we want to try to get out of that system as much as possible. It's not going to be possible to get out of it a hundred percent. We want to try to get out of it as much as possible. That's what I'm going to say. You know, when you look at a gold, you know, all these people, even people who will sell gold will make, try to make the case. Well, this is going to be the year of gold.

And Peter Schiff say, I've never been more positive about this. And then he goes on to say, well know bitcoin is just a speculative investment but you're treating gold as if it's a speculative investment gold is important now because of cbdc and silver and anything like that that you can get that is outside of the system yeah i heard you talking about peter schiff earlier in the week and i agree with you on that it's funny because i i that's what i do i sell gold and silver but you will rarely ever hear me talking about price i mean that's only a is a in conjunction with what's happening to the dollar because i look at this and it seems silly to me yeah you know he talks about he talks about the bitcoin speculative and he's like but also you

know when they when they when the jobless claims come in or whatever happens or if the Fed's going to move, we'll see a giant spike. And that's the way they always follow it. To me, when I research gold, David, I always look at history. Like I find like histories of gold or things that are related to it because I want to know where it's been. You know, unlike Patrick Henry, you know, I light my path to the lamp of experience. I know of no other way of judging the future, but by the past. You look at the past to see what has happened and of course now we've never seen anything quite like the central bank digital currency that's coming but they can't they can't uh circumvent completely

the laws of economics or human nature or anything like that they they can try i mean they're going to try it with the technology but they're not to me i don't think they're going to succeed you look at something like uh you know i talked about this last time i was on but it's you know the soviet union collapsing you know and it was an artificial nation they've art we have artificial constructs everywhere uh they're just propped up because they have a giant monopoly money printing press that that doesn't doesn't make you smart that doesn't make you brilliant or it doesn't make you omnipotent it It just makes you a criminal that has access to that. So I think, you know, we, the people looking into 2023, I, I do think that we're going

to have some massive economic change. Some of that will be planned and some of it will be a consequence of stupidity that will happen. And I think those, maybe those factors are even worse because they didn't see it coming they haven't they didn't run the simulations correctly they didn't they didn't count on uh you know the variables so i think we'll see a lot of things happening economically one of the things that i i saw was interesting in the intel report from blackrock not that i care so much what they think but they they kept saying nothing that has worked in the past will work in

in this climate nothing will will be uh fixable like it's been in the past and so you know the bubbles that were re-inflated in 0809 i don't think they're going to be able to do that again david it's because of the amount and we've talked about this since i've been coming on your show just the amount of currency creation that has dwarfed anything in history. They're not going to be able to blow this bubble up anymore. I think once it pops and there's a revaluation, and this is going to be global on all markets is one of the reasons I believe that the BRICS nations are setting up their own exchanges because they know that our exchanges are rigged. I mean, I talked about this last time. One ounce of physical silver for every 240 sold

is the estimate. I don't know what it is for gold. I have not seen that number. And maybe nobody knows, but it is absolutely manipulated. And does that mean that I'm advocating an increase in price? No, I don't know what's going to happen to the price of gold or silver. I just know that gold and silver are money. uh if you hold say a gold coin you should get a 10 ounce american gold eagle um nobody can trace that that's not trackable it doesn't have a serial number it doesn't have any it's just it's just gold gold is gold it doesn't matter where it comes from it's it has no signature other than the stamp that gets put on it by by a mint you don't have to get that either and again if you're dealing in scrap gold like they do in Venezuela,

they just scratch it and do a little acid test, and that's how they do it. A lot of their exchanges are done. Yeah, yeah. I would just tell people that's how a way to get away from the system is to hold physical metals. That's right. And, of course, you know, the BRICS understand that as well. And it's not just Russia and China who are looking at this saying,

well, you know, Russia's already got a conflict with us. China is, you know, it's a building conflict that is coming down the road. Uh, but you know, we, we look at what happened with the freedom convoy truckers, right? Uh, that was a wake up call to all of us, you know, look at how they are going to weaponize the financial system. And they have done it with paypal they have done it with operation choke point type of stuff they're doing it and bringing back operation choke point saying if you sell guns or you make guns we're going to give you a code and you know we're going to not honor those refuse the credit card transactions they've already shown shots of that happening so we understand that that is a

weaponized system. But when you look at Russia, look at what was confiscated from them, far more than was taken from the Freedom Convoy, right? And look at how they completely shut them down economically. And so that's why they want to get out of it. China sees the same thing coming, but so does India. India is not looking at a current or coming war with the United States, but they don't want to be controlled by these corrupt bureaucrats in the United States and this corrupt system. So everybody is looking to get out of it. We need to wake up about that as well. What are they doing? You know, they're stockpiling gold. They're trying to set up something that's different. The only good thing about this that I see, Tony, is, you know, the old saying that everybody's got a plan until you get

punched in the nose, right? And so what is it going to take for us to punch these people in the nose? Well, I think it's going to be, we got to speak directly to them and we got to shout at the top of our lungs what these people are up to. If we can expose their plans, that's a big punch in the nose. That's a big start because they're very afraid of us because of the numbers that we have. That's why speech is the essence of this. And that's why the controlling the narrative and pushing out the propaganda is the essence of this. But when I look at trends, I don't necessarily look at, well, you know, what happened with the last recession and this and that, and what's going on the last couple of years with gold or the dollar or this. I look at the trends of the creation of the Federal Reserve, Bretton Woods one, Bretton

Woods two. These are the types of things that we need to pay. That's the trend. That's the historical trend, I think, that we need to focus on because they're getting ready to reset the whole financial system and to make us all slaves, direct slaves of this private Federal Reserve. That's the plan. And the CBDC is the mechanism of it. And that's exactly what Saleh Omarovaorova this marxist trained economist that

biden wanted to put into the office of the control she was very explicit about that she wrote a paper about that that is the plan it's an open plan and they're going to do it in every country well the banksters they own the 20th century the slaughter pins of both world wars they own the democide of the communist government slaughtering their own people. And I'll tell you how they own it, David. If you were in 1900 and you wanted to go buy a pair of shoes or a new sport coat or anything, whatever you wanted, it was going to cost the exact same as it would have cost in the presidency of George Washington. There was no inflation.

The costs were exactly the same. But as we are here in 2023, you go back a hundred years, everything is different. Why is that? It's because we uncoupled from the bimetallic system set up by our founding fathers. The whole world did. We talked about how in 1914, the European powers went off the gold standard. had to they didn't really say they were doing they just again stopped and halting the uh where you could turn in your notes for gold where you could with a gold window was closed and so they just started printing more that's how they made the modern you know the modern uh ultra state the the tyranny state that

we see now is built on lies and it's built on fiat currency. And that's, again, what's the end game there? How is that all going to end up? And I think a history, Gresham's law is something I read about all the time, says that that's the law that bad money pushes good money out until it doesn't, until it comes back. And then you saw that in Weimar Germany. The reason we're not the Weimar Republic is because we have a massive Ponzi scheme all around the globe. You know, like I've talked about over and over again, but all the, you know, 80% of all the hundred dollar bills ever printed are in this country. You know, it's the world's reserve currency. And again, that won't last. That's why the emerging BRICS nations, I keep

telling people, this is what you need to be paying attention to. It's funny. I want to talk a minute just about the speaker race because it made me laugh. But the politics that we're focusing on, just like when I went and spoke to the young Republicans, they're very smart. They're research, but they're not paying attention to the right things. They're not paying attention to the CBDC. They're not paying attention to the military industrial complex and the surveillance state. They're not paying attention to the cbdc they're not paying attention to the military industrial complex and the surveillance state they're not paying attention to agenda 21 because this isn't in the mainstream yeah right so it's funny the politics of that though the the speaker race it made me laugh because i always you know beat up on the republican party because i used to be a republican in some sense i ran as a republican but you look at the speaker race and you know

you have chip roy who come out and he says, I'm nominating Jim Jordan. We're going to stand because the American people are getting trampled on and we have to do something about the overspending. And then Jim, you know who Jim Jordan? You guys can't even do this right here. It's like like it's built into you not to be able to fight back against the system it i just i it made me laugh just the whole day when i realized that i'm like so they he nominated everybody else is nominating jim jordan and that to me is where we are in our politics it's just round and round we i do i do enjoy the fact that he didn't get a paul ryan style of coronation that he's having to work for it.

It makes me laugh a bit. And I checked out of politics a long time ago. I only study it to know my enemy. But I think it is funny to watch. Well, you look at Jim Jordan, he's very articulate. And when he gets in a discussion or debate with somebody, he can be very aggressive. He's knowledgeable.

And yet, as you point out, he doesn't want to buck the system. He likes being in the system. He's not doing it because I remember when I was in the Libertarian Party, we'd work really hard to get on the ballot, and it's like, okay, now who's going to run? It's like, well, I did it last time. You do it this time. And so we know what I saw that with, you know, let's nominate Jim Jordan. I nominated McCarthy over here.

Cause I don't want to do this. I mean, what is this? The libertarian party meeting or something? I don't want to be the guy on the front. And, uh, exactly. Now that's how I ran for Congress. Nobody else wanted to do it. So, um, it's the way, uh, the way of, uh, all of this stuff, but yeah, it is, uh, it is

pretty crazy, isn't it? And it is going to be a wild ride this year. I think, I think things are just are every year I think is going to be accelerating because we're accelerating towards the 2030 society that they want to have completed by 2030. There's a lot of things that have got to be destroyed, uh, between now and 2030 and they're working really hard at it. If you're going to build something back better, you have to destroy it first, and that is the prerequisite, isn't it? That's right.

Yeah, we've got to build our bunkers better. What are we going to do? BBB, build your bunker better. That should be our motto. I like it. I don't know what they're going to throw at us. Are they going to throw nuclear bombs at us or whatever. I mean, it's crazy.

These people are murder-suicide capable of all this. Absolutely crazy. And the only way that it makes sense is to put it in a larger spiritual context. That's, I think, the only thing that makes. Because even in the, you know, they're acting in what they see as their own perceived self-interest. But it's not in their own perceived interest they're deceived and uh you know and that's the thing that is our anchor you know my preparation is not in the stuff that i store up in my barn or wherever uh you know that's that's not where i put my treasure no absolutely not and

you can't trust the system and we can't have normalcy bias. But I think, you know, I've done a couple of different podcasts since the start of the year. And my theme is I want to be more positive because, you know, we as Christians represent an awesome God who has got us this far. And we're here for a reason. And things are strange. But again, our responsibility is to carry on no matter what. And I think, you know, when I talk about they, they're not, they are not themselves, God almighty,

the people that are in charge of this, this clattering train, if it was Winston Churchill would say his old poem that he read when he was a kid about who was in charge of the train. I don't think that they're going to win this as long as we stand together. And as long as we have the right information and promote the right organizations and people, they're going to spread that information. So I'm grateful to be here. Grateful to sponsor you.

I will say that we can get you on to your next segment. So I'll just say that Wolf, is growing. And that's another thing that I, you know, it's just been put into my heart to, to talk about because I'm getting more excited every time somebody joins. I said, we just got a little stronger and I'm, I've been buying product for the, for the pack. And I think everybody's going to like their next shipments. I've been buying a lot of cool stuff, especially fractional silver and stuff that's never even seen circulation. That's like old dimes and quarters that have been in a lot of cool stuff, especially fractional silver and stuff that's never even seen circulation. That's like old dimes and quarters that have been in a bank vault.

So I think people will like that. We're going to build a discord, I believe, David, a chat forum. And I want to build sort of an intelligence, an economic intelligence group there where people can share articles and you have to be a member to get in. So I'm working on the back office of that. And again, you can go to davidknight.gold. You can just click the tab that says join Wolfpack and learn about it. Of course, you can always buy direct. That's what Wise Wolf does.

There's no minimum to buy from me and there never will be at Wise Wolf. It doesn't matter. So you can call us and we can send it direct to your doorstep or you can join Wolfpack or both. So there's deals coming down that I think people are going to be really excited about, both silver and gold. And David Knight certainly gets the credit for that. I mean, I would say the bulk of we've got close to, you know, we're getting into the 300-member range.

And that is mostly David Knight. Well, that's good. And I like the intelligence idea that you got. You know, even Sherlock Holmes, as smart as he was, and as much as he scanned the london times all the time he still had his baker street irregulars who were feeding him intelligence about what's going on it's absolutely essential to have that distributed intelligence that's one of the things i've always said about why centralized systems fail they may have have the smartest people. They may have the highest technology, but they don't have sufficient input of information

to make intelligent decisions. And that's what the marketplace has. The marketplace is like a neural net versus a CPU of a centrally controlled economy. So it's always good to have people that are in your sphere that can, where you can discuss stuff and where they can tell you what they're seeing. That's the key thing. It's like a, you know, a real marketplace, a marketplace of ideas. Well, Tony, thank you so much for supporting the program. And again, thank you for setting up DavidKnight.Gold. Always great talking to you.

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