The David Knight Show - 29Dec23 David Knight Show Unabridged

Episode Date: December 29, 2023

Tony Arterburn, WiseWolfGold.com hosts with guests…Gard Goldsmith in 1st hourDon Jeffries, Charlie Robinson, Mr. Anderson, Billy Ray Valentine in 2nd hourAnd a VERY SPECIAL 3rd hourFind out more about the show and where you can watch it at TheDavidKnightShow.comIf you would like to support the show and our family please consider subscribing monthly here: SubscribeStar https://www.subscribestar.com/the-david-knight-showOr you can send a donation throughMail: David Knight POB 994 Kodak, TN 37764Zelle: @[e-mail] App at: $davidknightshowBTC to: bc1qkuec29hkuye4xse9unh7nptvu3y9qmv24vanh7Money is only what YOU hold: Go to DavidKnight.gold for great deals on physical gold/silverFor 10% off Gerald Celente's prescient Trends Journal, go to TrendsJournal.com and enter the code KNIGHTBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-david-knight-show--2653468/support.

Using free speech to free minds. You're listening to The David Knight Show. As the clock strikes 13, it's Friday, the 29th of December, Year of our Lord, 2023. Well, I'm Tony Arterburn. I'm filling in for the great David Knight. I am joined by the legendary guard, Goldsmith. Thanks for having me. We've got a great show lined up for you. We've got guard here in the first hour,

Don Jeffries in the second, and a very special third hour, Charlie Robinson, Mr. Anderson, Billy Ray Valentine, and talk about a new phenomenon of Gen Zers looking up to Osama bin Laden. They like Tim Osmond. Can you believe it, Garth? It's one heck of a sell. Well, what an absolute honor. The final David Knight show for the year. We're closing in strong, giving David time off, which he, I don't know how he does it.

If you've ever felt guard, you're a veteran now of hosting this show. And does that just give you all the more respect for what David does? I've started filling in in 2019. It does not get easier, my friend. I mean, I'm both vets now. Yeah, yeah, Tony. And it's great to see you. Happy New Year early. And thanks for being such a stalwart anchor during 2023 in my life and also on your own programs.

And when you fill in for David and join David on Thursdays, usually at 1030 in the morning Eastern time. And that's not to plug, but boy, praising David Knight is not sufficient. The work that he does, as you know, the burden that you feel for the audience is, I think, only paralleled or matched by the burden that you feel because you're so honored to fill in for David, who does, you know, such astounding work that you want to step, you've got to step it up. You've got to do an amazing job. Well, I think having you on helps to expand the intelligence

quotient of the show for sure. I'm glad you're here in the first hour. And again, we've got a great show lined up for you. Final show of the year for the David Knight Show. We're going to close strong with a round table panel. Hey, do you want to do the third hour? You're welcome to come back or just stay on the line. Whatever you'd like, Gardner.

Those people are all great heroes of mine. I'd love to stop by, say hello, wish him happy new year. And of course, let them know that the IRS agents will be stopping by this year. Those 87,000. Yeah. You know, they're, they're, they're going to come before the FBI because of course, these guys might be concerned parents hanging around outside of their school board meeting. And that's evil.

Or they could be Catholic. So that's evil, too. Well, they're from the government and they're here to help. Oh, goodness. Well, I've got Gardner. I were talking off air. And by the way, we're streaming live on freeworld.fm. That's the group project between myself and Billy Ray Valentine and Don Jeffries and others.

Garb will be joining us there. We got a lot of great hosts. It's another lifeboat we made for free speech. So if you're hearing about this, David will be streaming live there very soon and working out some of the technical issues, but freeworld.fm is picking up the show. So I wanted to shout that out as well. And I will be paying attention to the Rockfin chat to hear on David's channel for sure. I'll periodically kind of go back and forth. So if you've got comments and questions or anything you want to throw into the Rockfin chat, you're certainly welcome to do that. Gungard and I were talking off air. And this is another aspect of why I respect David so much.

You have to choose in this era, or as David would say, error. In this era, you have to, you look around and say, okay, what's, what are the headlines that mean the most? What can I glean? Because I got, you know, only got three hours. It seems like, it seems like a long time. But when you're talking about this massive amount of news coverage and information what's what what are some of the themes and that's kind of what i do with my show and guard and i were talking out there and i said now did you see the story about how russia and

iran uh formerly and now we've they've been doing this for a while, but backing away, they dumped the dollar. And the guard says, yes. And he goes, and then I saw where Lindsey Graham called for the bombing of Iran. And I said, aha, I did the same thing. I put it together. The stories are right next to each other. I mean, it's so predictable now. Let's pull up this headline. I want to talk a little bit about this. Hats off to the anti-war people. They do a great job at antiwar.com. I need to get better at sending them some donations. I've used antiwar.com for years and years after I started reading Pat Buchanan. Let me see if I can pull this up here's here's the story here stand by yeah russia iran finally dumped the u.s dollar for good and this is off msn.com in a bold move that shakes the foundations of international trade russia and iran have

officially turned their backs on the u.S. dollar. This decision, a strategic pivot towards utilizing local currencies in their bilateral trade, marks a significant shift in the global economic landscape. The move not only challenges the dollar's dominance, but signals a deeper integration within the BRICS alliance as Iran prepares to join its ranks in 2024. Gee, nobody could have seen that coming. Oh, no. I mean, our 40 different sanctions on 36 different countries weaponizing the dollar.

We abandoned the Bretton Woods system. Oh, we didn't break our word, did we, Gard? Having Richard Nixon take us off the gold standard in 1971. That didn't completely disrupt the new economic world order, you know, from 1944 onwards. No, right? Of course, they were deceptively sort of breaking their word from the moment the Fed began because they were, you know, surreptitiously issuing, going into fractional reserve banking, and they weren't telling people that they only had a fraction of what they could have promised to people if they wanted to redeem their dollars for the percentage of gold that they promised right up to the point where Nixon said,

okay, yeah, a lot of foreigners have been buying our gold, so shh, don't tell anybody. But we've already lost a lot of the United States held gold at Fort Knox. So, yeah, it looks like we're pretty much going to have to go off this fictitious dollar connection to an ounce of gold. Because that was one of the reasons why they said, well, you know, once we allow people to own gold again, guess what? People are not going to want to hold on to that dollar that they keep pumping out. They can't keep pumping out the gold the way they pump out the dollar. So guess which one is going to lose its value? And that's what they do. And of course, they have incentive to do that because they can only tax so high to keep funding their welfare pigsty. And then they can, so they have to borrow. And the only way they can facilitate

their borrowing is, of course, by getting the Federal Reserve to buy their bonds and create more money by doing so, which is destructive to the productive capacity of every human being out there. Well, yeah. And there's so many factors to what the term is called de-dollarization. And it's a theme that I talk about all the time on my programs, anytime I'm a guest anywhere, because it's the historical implications of what's going on, not being picked up by the mainstream media. It's going to be like something we've never actually ever experienced in history because we have never lost the world's reserve currency status as the American people. You know, in 1944, as you know, Gardner, they set up the Bretton Woods system. You've mentioned you've been to the Bretton Woods,

the hotel there where they met. Yeah, my brother had his wedding there. That's right. And they set up the IMF. They set gold at $35 an ounce. It became the world's reserve currency. And that system lasted until 1971. And one of the themes going on through the 60s was the debasing of our coinage.

1964 was the last time that we had silver in our half dollars, quarters, and dimes and dollars from the U.S. Mint. Other countries took notice. As a matter of fact, I was talking yesterday to a friend of from the U.S. Mint. Other countries took notice. As a matter of fact, I was talking yesterday to a friend of mine, Mr. Anderson, and I said, you know that de Gaulle, the president of France, sent his warships over in the late 1960s to pick up the gold because other countries, they wanted those dollars redeemable in gold. And this is interesting because I was talking to Gardoff here. I bought yesterday

from a customer i don't usually buy notes but this one and there's another one i'll talk about later a five dollar bill this is a twenty dollar bill from 1950. okay i know you can't really see it on the camera it's not good i can't reach that far but it's a it's a 1950 20 bill and uh let's see if i can i i need I need a magnifying glass really, but there's some fine print on this bill that you won't see on a modern federal reserve note, $20 bill. And if you'll bear with me, I'll see if I can read it. Uh, and of course this says, this note is legal tender, uh, you know, and is, is, can, can be clearing all debts, public and private, and is redeemable. This is the key.

Is redeemable in lawful money. Otherwise known as gold. Specie currency gold. Right. Right. And of course, the difference between specie and fiat, if people aren't familiar, specie is hard currency, gold, silver, some other recognizable long-term commodity that people find of common value. And fiat currency is that which is imposed on us

by government fiat. And you're right. The interesting thing, Tony, is you had that happening and people were aware of it. When Roosevelt called for people to turn in their gold, my mom told me, my grandfather, who had only a sixth grade education, ended up owning a company with three plants. He actually owned the very tip of Montauk Point on Long Island And they had to sell it. It's worth like $10 million now or something like that. But they had to sell it. So he had been a very successful guy. He didn't turn his gold in. He's like, no way am I turning my gold into that criminal.

And over the years, of course, the imbalance grows and grows between what they're issuing in the paper currency and what people can actually redeem. Because if they wanted to redeem that, say in 1955, they would, they might, it wouldn't, they would have been issuing more of those slips. So if people, if all the people who had those slips wanted to redeem them in 1950, there'd be a higher chance that the U.S. Mint, the U.S. government, the Federal Reserve could the Federal Reserve could exchange it for what they promised they could exchange it for. As the years go by, more people have those things, but they don't actually represent the same percentage. Now it's a smaller percent. More people have them. They go to turn them in. So, oh, sorry, we sold out. It's gone.

And then Nixon, as you say, breaks in at the what was it, the close of Bonanza or during Bonanza in the 70s. Breaks in August 15th, 1971, interrupts an episode of Bonanza and takes us off, closes the gold window. He used the word temporary 50 plus years ago. Well, the interesting thing about this guard is that this is a redeemable and lawful money. So what it's saying is this isn't money. This is a certificate. This is a certificate so you can obtain lawful money. And the cruel joke about this is in 1950, you couldn't get, as a private citizen, you couldn't get this redeemable in gold. This was for the other countries that used the dollar.

That's what this was for. That's a great point. And you know, they should point out that that sort of draws that distinction between statute and constitution and statute and natural law. Those, you know, the items that we agreed to ourselves personally as human beings as something that we recognize as something with value and we make a contract and make an agreement, that's based on natural law. That's respect under God and agreement. We don't lie. We don't cheat. We don't steal. Statute, of course, written by the state. Between those, on the constitutional level, people often will use the term lawful

when they are sliding something in nowadays to say, well, is it lawful? They're implying constitutional, but they don't really mean it. But that actually does mean constitutional, because the constitution only permits the federal government, not something that's granted a monopoly by the government called the Federal Reserve. It only grants the federal government the ability to coin money and affix the value thereof. And it's not even supposed to be the exclusive money. That's one of the things Ron Paul has brought up.

Anybody who's interested in free banking and understanding how to stop the inflationary process is get it completely away from any political hands because they're the ones who are incentivized to use the statues to say, this is all you can deal with. And then just keep creating it to pay off all these people that they gave promises to so they can get votes. If we had a private banking system and the banks were holding their own stores of gold or silver and they wanted to issue redemption slips that they might call whatever, you know, Bank A dollar or Bank B dollar, whatever, then we could compare and say, excuse me, can I check your stocks? Are you operating on a fractional reserve?

Do you have enough that if you have issued these papers, my friends, if I give them this, they will know that they can go in and get that solid real money, that so-called lawful money, whether or not it's under the Constitution. You want to think of it as the Constitution or it's just person on person. Am I ripping them off if I give them this or will they get the money? And then if the banks say, sorry, we don't want to show you, well well then we wouldn't go to the banks and my friends wouldn't take that money well right it's and it's a trust issue and that that's what's the uh the crux of of de-dollarization is not only the the sanctions and we're talking about iran and russia and i and i this has been going on a long time in russia in the last 18 months has called u. dollar candy wrappers. That's from their finance ministry. They stopped using dollars. They've done all kinds of deals with

direct country-to-country using gold, using the Chinese yuan, trading crude for discount if it's paid for in rubles. They've gone around the SWIFT system, and these other BRICS are on the rise. We were talking about the massive decline in the use of the dollar, which is called money velocity. Now, it would be great if we could run a simulation

to see what would Lindsey Graham be doing if fiat currency didn't exist? If we didn't have a fake dollar, would we have fake people like Lindsey Graham in the halls of power? Would he be a factor without unlimited fiat currency? I tend to think that people like Lindsey Graham would not be on the world stage. He would not be in the United States Senate. No way. He'd probably be trying out for an off-Broadway production of Gomer Pyle or something like that. Maybe Pirates of Penzance. I don't know.

You took it there. Is he going to be in the South Pacific? He's going to do... Yeah. Lady Lindsay. And you know what's pretty funny, Tony, is I don't have to go to

the share screen thing, but on my screen I have the exact same article. You and I are thinking like our minds are connected. It's just amazing how this system, especially the United States inflationary system, starting with World War I on, the central banking system has facilitated so much of the United States militarism around the world. And if you look at the fallouts to that,

whether it's through the military industrial complex, the Lockheed Martins, the Boeings of the world, the BAEs that grow so big, and then the secondary effects from that, which is the feedback loop going back to politicians. I've mentioned before, former United States Senator from New Hampshire, Kelly Ayotte, she got bumped out and all of a sudden she gets put on the board of Boeing. At the same time she's on the board of Boeing, she's on the board of Fox News. Where is she appearing? On Fox News talking about how more weapons should go to Ukraine. And now she's running for governor of New Hampshire. So this system becomes very corrupt, but even the local people, they might not even realize that. And you were in the military. You know, I'm sure you

recognize this as well. The vast expansion of the military influence in the United States, the military corporate fascist ties go all the way to the base closures and how angry so many people were when they were trying to close some of the bases. not my backyard. This is our jobs. So it becomes very intractable when you have this sort of inflated system. And right now the shakedown is starting, you know, just like at the end of Wizard of Oz, when the wizard says, you liquidated array, very resourceful of you. Well, there are two signals there. First, you've got to liquidate assets that are up too high. And there's beeninvestment, in this case, in the war machine. And the second one is you've got to allow the prices to reflect the real value of those resources based on the's a very important role for the United States to defend the United States, the United States government to engage in defense, and they use that as a smoke stream to engage in offense and payoffs all over the world,

opening bases all over the planet, surrounding Iran with bases. Evidently, that's the sort of ring that Lindsey Graham really likes a ring of bases around foreign nations so many people get inculcated in this idea of well if you stand against that you're against the troops well maybe our perception of the United States and the way that the Monroe Doctrine

has been warped and expanded over the past 150-200 years maybe that ought to be readjusted. And part of this now with the BRICS nations shaking things out, I think we're going to see tremendous push. As you see right there on the screen,

you brought it up, people like Lindsey Graham and the Warhawks, they're going to come up with any excuse or rationale they can to try to gin up even more war. And they're targeting, they're going to target Syria and they're going to target Iran big time. Well, seven countries in five years.

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Clark just happened to walk in on that at the Pentagon post 9-11. Yeah, this is antiwar.com. Senator Lindsey Graham calls for the U.S. to blow parts of Iran, quote, off the map. This reminds me a lot of John McCain's bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran 2007. Absolutely. John McCain, by the way, the man of whom I have photographs shaking hands with Ole Tianybuk, the admitted Nazi of Ukraine as they were arranging the new government with Victoria Nuland and Jeffrey Pyatt on the phone in their famous F the EU phone conversation from early

2014, while they were getting Hunter Biden put in emperisma after the Maidan coup in late 2013, in which the United States and NATO forces were intimately involved to make it look like the government of Ukraine shot on its own people, which they did not. It was Western NATO forces overturning the elected president there because he was too close to Russia and they wanted to isolate Russia. Why? Partially because Russia dropped its long term investments in bonds starting in 2009 as the American Recovery Act blew up the money supply even more under Obama. And something that is also tied to, as you mentioned, France. At that time, the recently reunited Germany asked for their gold back and the Federal Reserve said, we can't give it to you. It took them years to finally admit like, well, yeah, maybe we'll give it to you in dribs and drabs.

So we can see very clearly what has been going on with the people who are telling us they're fighting for freedom or that they love Jewish people. Right. Because their type of mindset, Lindsey Graham will not tell you that he was shaking hands and putting his arm around a Nazi from the Slovodov party. People can look it up. His name is Tiani Bach or the T Y Tiani Bach. And he's in multiple photographs with Joe Biden as well. And, uh, uh, Amy Klobuchar, they all met together. They were all there. They were all in photographs on stage

with that guy they all have these justifications i'm guessing in their own their own minds yeah or what's left of their soul you know they compromise so many times they don't even exist anymore you know but remember they they if you criticize them you are by proxy criticizing israel the state of israel and therefore you're anti-Semitic. These people who are meeting with neo-Nazis in Ukraine will tell you that. Right. Yeah. They use the most ridiculous arguments to shield themselves from criticism. And you mentioned earlier about, well, you're not supporting the troops. Well, I was a troop. I would have loved it if we had an America to first foreign policy.

You mentioned the Monroe Doctrine. That, to me, is my foreign policy. Don't colonize the hemisphere. Stay out of our affairs. You know, peace, peace, commerce and honest friendship. I'm more with that Thomas Jefferson fellow. I think he knew what he was talking about. Or John Quincy Adams saying that America was not designed to go abroad in search of monsters to destroy.

I'm with John Quincy Adams. I'm not with Lindsey Graham. I'm not, I'm not with the psychopaths. This is, this is, this leads to cataclysm. You talk about,

you know, a lot of times guard, I read a lot of history and I'm fascinated by it. And some of the history you read like more war one, you had these Statesmen that were very smart, spoke several languages were were skilled in diplomacy and uh realpolitik all that stuff they couldn't stop world war one even the kaiser if you read about the kaiser couldn't figure out they had the von schlieffen plan once it was

enacted they started crossing in the borders of belgium tried to turn it off. He couldn't even turn off his own war machine. And these were smart people. You fast forward. Now we've got nuclear weapons, chemical weapons, biological AI, all of this, all this, these terrible things. And you have Lindsey Graham and Joe Biden. Or you have a of the House, you have Mike Johnson, you have these brain dead and soulless, really, in a lot of ways, just void of any humanity in charge of things. And they're just blundering their way into cataclysm, it looks like. And this is one of these headlines, Gard, that really, you know, and again, we follow the line of Russia, Iran dumping the dollar officially.

This is the headline. The next headline is Senator Lindsey Graham calls for blowing Iran, quote, off the map. Folks, these things are related. Absolutely. And, you know, again, kudos to the people at Antiwar. If I could just mention something that they bring up here in the first two paragraph paragraphs. They do a great job. They say Senator Lindsey Graham, Republican of South Carolina, has called for the United States. I also think he represents Israel, Ukraine and many other portions that are, you know, considered de facto states of the United States now. But we'll just continue. I don't know how

you get representation in any political system. It's all forced on you. And if you're represented, what about the next guy? But that's my anarchist argument there. Senator Lindsey Graham has called for the U.S. to bomb Iran in response to Houthi attacks in the Red Sea. That not being Houthi and the Blowfish, although some of their music might be considered pretty offensive nonetheless, saying Iranian bases and oil fields should be blown off the map. Oh yeah. That's going to be really good for the U S economy. Just, just unbelievable. Even if you, even if you want to look at it as, as that sort of a callous way to approach it, peace, peace and trade. How about that? I haven't seen Iran engaging in the behavior that the United States is engaged in since Iran got its leadership back after they toppled the man who was put in in 1953 by the CIA. The hawkish. Yeah.

The hawkish senator claimed that without Iran, there would be no Houthis. But writes Dave DeCamp and hats off to you, Dave, my bald head shows it, but the Houthis, formerly known as Ansar Allah, are a homegrown movement of Zaydi Shia Muslims. Zaydi Shia Muslims ruled the area of North Yemen that that the hoodies now control for about a thousand years until 1962 i wonder if lindsey's gonna mention anything about that the arrogance of these people they have no historical sense you watch that documentary the fog of war m McNamara goes over to Vietnam, starts talking to his counterpart that was there throughout the Vietnam War. And they said, why did you continue to intervene? Didn't you know this was a civil war?

Didn't you know that we weren't going to be under the Chinese column? We weren't going to fall in line. It wasn't monolithic. We've been fighting the Chinese for a thousand years. Yes, yes. And it's the same thing with iraq i mean they the you have to see parts of it completely on purpose you know if you believe in the conspiracy theory of history which i do because that's where all the scholarship is but if you look at iraq they really thought because i was part of the tail end of the evasion of iraq they

really thought you could hold that country with less than 50,000 troops. Are you serious? That's what Donald Rumsfeld thought. And that's why they didn't even send in the armor. They didn't send in all the things that you would need because they thought, well, we'll be greeted as liberators. Were they using some of the opium that they were increasing in its supply from Afghanistan at the time? Those poppy fields, I had to protect those poppy fields. I had to protect those in Afghanistan. Don't you know, Gord?

I'll never forget being 22 years old, bringing my team up over a hill. We were called out to these coordinates. They said, you need to go over there. We need to get some pictures of this area and get it back to the base. I said, okay. So I go over this hill. It's this massive field of poppies. And there's just armed people. I don't know who they were with this is like after the taliban fell and there was just massive massive fields of poppy in the middle of the desert so it'd be like just barren

mad max wasteland yeah and then you'd take a corner and then there's just you know fields forever as far as you can see. Fields of green. Well, they're not green, but it's little orange colored flowers. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. And that is a real thing. That trade in Afghanistan, that was revitalized after the U.S. invasion because the Taliban

banned drugs. And there was just a report, you know, I mentioned on the Liberty Conspiracy Show. Morris actually on Fox then 20 years ago, introducing Geraldo via satellite, Geraldo speaking with a Marine named Christmas, Brian Christmas, and they were handling the security for the fields. And the narrative that they gave was, well, if we don't do this, the Taliban will take over. And, you know, we have to allow these locals to do it because if they don't do it, the Taliban will take over. And, you know, we have to allow these locals to do it because if they don't do it, the Taliban will do it. The drug, the drug trade will just skyrocket. Well, this is exactly what happened under the U.S. there. And then now that the Taliban is in,

they've actually been destroying the fields. And the percentage, the proportion of the world's poppies and opium that are coming from Afghanistan is now dropped such that Afghanistan is no longer the number one supplier of opium related products. But I think it's Myanmar. So, you know, the narratives that they give people in the United States, it's almost as if especially with with modern technology, you know, modern communication technology, going back to really the creation of radio in many ways with the fireside chats and so on. It just facilitates propaganda so much. And I think there's, I don't know about you, Tony, I wanted to ask you about this. What do you think about the psychology of people who might not necessarily be first inclined to lie, but because they get on that political treadmill and they're constantly in that battle zone and they constantly have to present these narrative stories, they might fall into that trap. They might amplify something more than they need to, to make it sound more alarming.

There's always that tendency to try to, well, I'll gain attention by being pithy or telling somebody that something is a big emergency or something like that. And I don't know how one can get around that, but there are people who do seem to get around it. Thomas Massey does a terrific job. He's very honest. I don't know whether you, do you think it's just part of human psychology? Maybe it's a mixture of some of these people who are just corrupt and then the others sort of following in their footsteps and seeing the patterns and how they can get their bread buttered. To me, it's and perhaps with this de-dollarization happening, maybe we'll see more desperation. But after a while, maybe people will start to realize that the United States activities around the world

have been bankrupting us. Well, I think it's a series of small compromises these type of personalities make over their lifetimes until they don't know who they are anymore. And I kind of looking at the story about Lindsey Graham and the people that have supported war, you start making justifications for it. I remember a story about Lyndon Johnson when he was running for Senate in 1948. And his whole political career was on the line. So he couldn't, he had to leave Congress to run for the Senate. So he had no lifeline back. And that was his, I mean, it was his last stand. He was running against a guy named Coke Stevens that should have won hands down. He was the former governor of Texas, a stalwart constitutionalist, would have been a great senator. Well, LBJ had the Brown and Root money. You know, he had a lot of he had a lot of a lot of outside money and they started just pouring it in.

And one of the things that he ended up having to read was he had to read a very right wing ad on air that was anti-union. It was very it was very much antithetical to what his platform was but he had he had to get this endorsement and he just talked himself into it he said if i don't read this and i don't do it enthusiastically then i won't be senator and i can't help the people that i say i'm going to help anyway yeah so he justified it that way and i think they just make these serious now he's probably he was probably as a as evil as he was yeah he was probably a little bit more cognizant than i even think these people are which i mean i think i don't know if they've even given that any sort of of thought at all

regard so i don't know we might be we might be giving them too much credit if they're even self-aware uh well i was just wondering if maybe they could you know package their their um their phraseology and their narratives and their fables into small bite-sized pieces that would be easy enough to digest from say tiktok but then i realized that the more i watch tiktok the more anti-semitic and nazilike I become, because Nikki Haley told me that. And I love it. She says, her statements, you probably saw, Tony, and before the show, everybody, Tony and I were talking a little bit about how Nikki Haley was in New Hampshire,

actually not too far from where there was a Union Civil War prisoner of war camp where guys were literally eating worms to survive okay and she has to she said not quite the right thing about the civil war it didn't fit the narrative of it was about slavery don't talk about anything else it was about slavery which is completely off base for anybody knows anything about the civil war it's that's an absurd she's been watching tiktok again you got it you see so there you go and anti-semitism can now be opened up to all sorts of things now perhaps we'll even have a rainbow aspect of uh you can't be anti-semitic because that means you're anti-lgbtqi i don't know but uh so so she comes back and she apologizes and And in her effusive, drippy, crocodile tear apology, Tony, you know, she comes out and she says, well, I meant it was about freedom.

But of course, I mean, really, you got to understand part of that is it's slavery. It was about slavery. And I just thought she goes on and says, I want to stress that, you know, I am, and I'm paraphrasing now, this is a nation that we have to stress freedom of individual liberty. You know, all the, all the pat lines that they hand us while they're picking our pockets and reducing our liberties and breaking the bill of rights. It's all about individual liberty and self-rule like, oh, then I can rule myself. Well, not really. You know, it's about this experiment in self-governance. So you're going to leave me alone. No, no, no. I'm going to govern

you. I thought you just said self-governance. No, no, no. Forget about that stuff. So there she says, she says, freedom of speech. This is a woman who just two weeks ago was saying she wants to ban TikTok. Oh, and she also wants you to register. register yes any sort of use on the internet so right you have to you have to show your face you can't even go back to the founding fathers who wrote under pseudonyms yeah even during that time right to the federalist papers and other arguments to the foundation of the country yeah it was anonymous in so many ways. What about silence do good? What about Benjamin Franklin?

Can he not do that anymore? Do we have to be identified by Nikki Haley? And you know what's interesting? When revisionist history people can't get enough revision, so the revisionist meets a super revisionist and then they don't know what to agree on and they're talking to a public who has no idea about any of these things i mean most if you've ever seen the man on the street which i'm sure you have to just watch people they don't really know most people don't know the history of the civil war yeah about yeah the uh the issues with with trade or or the economic powers of the North and industrialization or fourth turnings.

I mean, they have no idea about any of these things. They just got to throw out that platitude. You should throw that Lincoln quote in there about what he said about saving slavery in the Union. Right. If he could save the union without freeing a slave, he would do it. He didn't care. He did not care. He did not care.

If I could free all the slaves and save the union, I would. If I could free half the slaves and save the union, I would. If I could free none of them and save the union, I would. That's what Lincoln said. And by the way,

you know, we're going to have Don Jeffries on in the second hour. And his book, Hidden History, starts out with Secretary of State Seward having a bell on his desk under Lincoln. For those who know what I'm talking about, the Secretary of State for Lincoln was Seward. And he had a bell on his desk that he would ring to have someone arrested during the Civil War. Including the attempted arrest of Supreme Court justices, the attempted arrest of, was it the legislative body of Maryland or Delaware? I was talking about this last night,

just because they were going to declare neutrality. You know, eviscerating habeas corpus, which is, even though I wish it went further and that Congress couldn't lift the writ of habeas corpus under the Constitution, Congress can lift it. But Lincoln just decided, well, I can do it, too. It's just astounding. It's just unbelievable. And George W. Bush wanted to grant the president sole arbitrary executive power to lift the writ of

habeas corpus so that he can indefinitely detain people, which they had been doing for years. And part of the problem that they had encountered was that some of the detainees in Guantanamo had some lawyers who said, are you ever going to charge these guys? Because according to the Constitution, you can't do this. You either have to lift the writ of habeas corpus for everybody, or you got to get these guys an opportunity to hear the evidence against them and be charged with a crime. You can't just kidnap people and hold them.

Of course, indirectly, they're threatening kidnap of all of us if we don't keep paying these fatuous criminals so you know i don't know how much different that is than a mafia but uh maybe it's just as i mentioned on my show maybe they just use more decorous language the mob are amateurs yeah i mean yeah they haven't understood they got to use edward bernays propaganda techniques that's the key. This is, you know, the fight that I thought I really saw in 2002 and 2003 was the Patriot Act itself. Yeah. And this is me at 22 years old.

And I remember being, I was about to, I had just gotten back from Afghanistan. I was deploying to Iraq. And I remember just going, what are they doing? We didn't need this to defeat Tojo's Japan or the Third Reich. What are they doing? What does that even mean? Why do I need to give up so much of my freedom and my liberty so that the state can find people's, quote, unquote, in caves? And I thought, this isn't what this is about. And I just instinctively knew that at a young age.

And I just watched this country headlong dive into authoritarianism. And we saw that just spill over into COVID-1984. This is what that was. I mean, they just were able to flip that switch. And it's terrifying. We still have some remnants of the Constitution, some remnants of the Bill of Rights. Those are hanging around. It's more like a shadow of a shadow that we still have that. But again in the third hour a little bit there's a there's an article up i saw a couple of uh days ago about how gen z-ers are are they have a lot of admiration for osama bin laden because he wrote they read his letter and they're just kind of now stumbling upon uh u.s uh foreign policy blowback right we're going to talk

a little bit i've got a great panel in the third hour to go over just the history of how we got to 9-11 and then what is Osama Bin Laden's role? What is it now that they're rolling out for kids?

You talk about, and this is a TikTok phenomenon where they're reading Osama Bin Laden's there's there's so much there they use these boogeymen they use they use these straw men that they that are that work for them by the way you know you have that famous picture of donald rumsfeld shaking hands with saddam hussein have you ever seen that video oh yeah oh yeah yeah and you know you know t, you bring up a couple of things, you know, watching people like Aaron Mate and Max Blumenthal and others. Jimmy Dore's been doing a really good job. You know, one of the points that sort of ties into this, if you're talking about the number of Gen Zers who say, wow, you know, I was unaware of what bin Laden had said. That ties into this canard that they give us of this self-governance thing. The idea that the government that rules over us and forces us to pay for it is somehow us.

And as I've mentioned on my show a number of times, one of the most striking statements from anybody that that confirmed so many of the things that I and pro-peace people have been mentioning, Ron Paul would probably discuss this as well, using the term blowback, was the Times Square bomber, when they asked him how he pled, he said, guilty, guilty, a hundred times guilty. And if the United States government continues to do what it is doing in the Middle East, more American civilians will die, which sort of ties into the blowback idea. And then that can be translated into what these politicians, people like Stefanek, who called up the heads of MIT and UPenn and Harvard, and they try to inflate what could be a minor problem, a problem on campuses, maybe growing, maybe inflamed intentionally. We don't know, but I'm not hearing a lot of young people calling for the extermination of Jews. I'm hearing for, I'm hearing calls for a ceasefire as two Palestinian women did outside of the Capitol building in front of Senator Fetterman. And he had the gall, this power imbalance just

manifestly showing itself. He pulls an Israeli flag out and waves it in front of these people whom he is forcing to pay taxes in order to turn them into weapons that will be supplied to Israel to possibly blow their relatives to pieces. That's what he doesn't seem to grasp. And then they say, well, you can't criticize the state of Israel because criticizing the state of Israel is criticism of the people of Israel. And that's anti-Semitic. So what they're telling us, really, is if they're saying that, then that actually buys into the rationale that Hamas can kill civilians. It buys into the same rationale that the Times Square bomber said. and therefore that is criticism of the people on the ground who might have no control over that political entity

and a portion of them probably disagree, but they're not so-called represented, then they themselves are tying them all in. As I mentioned on my show last night, Benjamin Netanyahu, as you know, more than once said that it was better for Israel to keep Hamas in power because they would be an oppositional force and they wouldn't negotiate. Therefore, they could use military force to keep pushing into Gaza, right? That was his plan. The United States supported him and Israel supported him. So what he actually did, he actually knowingly supported a group of people that he knew would put the people under him at greater risk of death, kidnapping, and all the things that they've been talking about since October 7th. He knew that.

He supported them. Well, they need kinetic conflict to initiate the changes that they want to implement. Yeah. Right. And it's something Kennedy said, those who make peaceful revolution impossible, make violent revolution inevitable. Right.

Right. So that you're totally, there is, there is a school of thought about blowback. This is very much the Buchanan foreign policy. You know, he predicted a cataclysmic terror event on us soilS. soil in his book, A Republic, Not an Empire, in 1999. I happen to agree with that, but I also think, and if you want to go a little bit deeper, I think that those in power know that.

I think they help recruit the people that are going to carry out the terror. They help them. They funnel it so it can have the maximum. It's kind of like FDR making sure that all the ships were lined up in a certain way, that the commanders at Pearl Harbor didn't have the proper intelligence and weren't briefed on what was actually happening. They cracked the Japanese code called Purple months in advance. We already knew that and let those people just twist in the wind.

Not that they, you know, again, it's not the Japanese did attack Pearl Harbor, but we didn't have to let them do that. And that's the, it was, it was for the effect. So I think that's probably a modern, you know, this is one thing the project for the New American Century said in September of 2000, that we needed a new Pearl Harbor to initiate the, again, not just the Project for New American Century, but what John McCain would call rogue state rollback. Which is really just the class project of the military industrial complex and the neocons. So true. And, you know, I think in high school, when you hear things about, well, Roosevelt, he embarked on an embargo of Japan because of the Sino-Japanese War, which was a terrible conflict

and so on and so forth. And I think a lot of times those terms, you know, it's, it's, it's, you mentioned 1984, COVID-1984, right? And it is very much like the ministry of truth. It's, it's, it's these terms become very soft. People get normalcy bias. They become accustomed to these things and people don't question, well, how is an embargo enforced? Oh, that's right. With military power. It's actually like, it is an act of war. As I've mentioned often, Rhode Island was not going to participate in agreeing to the Constitution. And the other states threatened an embargo on Rhode Island to get them to vote. So that was to get the Constitution, which was a much more centralizing document that Alexander Hamilton loved, to get that to usurp the Articles of Confederation,

to get that central taxing authority to supply money for a central bank, to get the borrowing authority. And we were off to the races from Alexander Hamilton to Henry Clay to Abraham Lincoln, right on through to Teddy Roosevelt, right on through to Hoover, FDR, all the way through to Johnson, Nixon, Carter, all the rest. You know, Ford. It's just been a series of dominoes ever since then, represented by people who just want political power. And they know the magic sauce that they can use, which is central bank currency.

And that embargo thing, look at what they're doing now. You know, we seized a Russian oligarch's yacht. Like, oh, did you give him trial? Did you give him due process? Because I think there's this thing called the Bill of Rights. I don't remember. I think it's number eight, no cruel and unusual punishment. How can you punish somebody if he hasn't been put on trial?

What crime did he commit? It's absurd. They're going after guys from Hungary or Turkey because they're doing business with Russians. We're going to shut down your bank accounts. You've had too much to think. I'm really looking forward to my CBDC now. You criticized Nikki Haley there, huh, buddy? I was looking at the headlines on Drudge, so I know what the Central

Intelligence Agency wants me to talk about, or at least the narrative. Thanks for making that easy. They've curated Operation Mockingbird for me every morning, and I go and take a look at that. But it is funny because I looked at the headlines, and they're taking Trump off ballots. And I thought, isn't it interesting that the people that scream most about our democracy, our democracy, it's killing our democracy. They don't want democracy, which is funny. They don't like ballot access. They want people off ballots. They don't want any sort of checks and balances on who can vote.

So that kind of cancels out democracy, doesn't it? But it's the same people who also say, well, if we can just save one child. It's for the children. And then those people are for abortion on demand. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Or like Francis Collins. I just showed video of Francis Collins last night that was out there on Twitter. Again, you know, God bless people who are putting that information out there. You know, Francis Collins in a meeting with these sycophants just sitting there and he says, well, you know, when you're involved with public health, nobody questions the term the health of what? What is that? Could you break that down into the subunits of what you're talking about? You mean people, individual people? Oh, that's right. You were completely willing to sacrifice the rights of individual people for this gestalt amorphous term that you call public health, which you constantly were modifying and lying about over and over. Meanwhile, you gave outs to the pharma companies that completely manipulated their data sets. And you put this stuff out and now we can't sue?

Oh, thanks for being in power there, pal. It's just disgusting. It is the, well, I was just following orders thing. It's like I was talking about Douglas Murray, the British commentator. And I was amazed like I was talking about Douglas Murray, the British commentator. And I was amazed. I was surprised. I have never, I don't think I've ever agreed with Sank Unger

or Ugar in my life from the Young Turks. And I was showing, and I replayed it on David's show. I was showing this interview on that show, Uncensored with Piers Morgan. Piers Morgan really kind of on balance being a little easier and, you know, not like the guy's going to be very tough at all, but being a little easier on

Douglas Murray and Douglas Murray just throwing out insult after insult after insult, not addressing actual real information about numbers of deaths, quotes from people who had been Israeli hostages or the parents of Israeli hostages and things like that. Not just to bring it back to that conflict, but it is so inflamed. And they're using it as leverage in such a strong way to try to target Syria and to try to target Iran. Right now, as you and I speak, these guys are meeting in Washington, D.C., in those marble halls that have all been paid for by taxpayers who could have spent their money on other things that they might've preferred. Now they're trying to figure out new ways to spend our money on more weapons to kill more people around the world. And Lindsey Graham wants to target Iran. Nikki Haley wants to target Iran. I think one of the few people out there who's

actually maybe more in line with not doing so would be Vive Beck. And I'm not going to vote for anybody. You know, I really could care less. And I don't know about that man's background, but at least some of his statements kind of bring up some echoes and they're sort of soft echoes of sort of the mindset of what Pat might have said or what Ron Paul might have told people like, you know, maybe you want to look at this twice. This isn't a good idea. You know, you have to remember, like the senate itself and the building there these are sacred

places you know this is the this is the sacred it's the sacred soil uh this you know of our democracy guard we have it's very reverent and matter of fact you had some senate staffer recently make a video there i don't know if you know about the video that was made uh i i was looking for it on tick tock but i guess nikki haley got rid of it well it's very sacred i mean this is just it's it's and it's adult themed it's very sacred this is the stuff that you know the the evil that comes out of of you ever seen that that meme where it has obi-wan and luke skywalker and they're supposed to be i don't know whatever they're with the i'm not a star uh star wars uh aficionado you probably you probably know more but they're looking over and they see it says it shows

washington dc's like you'll never see uh more scum and villainy in a place more scum a more wretched hive of scum and villainy we must what would they look was that tattooing what were they looking yeah they were on tattooing in front of the spaceport that's why you have our goldsmith yeah there you go he's my sherpa for pop culture that's exactly what it is just stop thinking this is that this is sacred, that these people, this is like the Hollywood for ugly people, you know, these politicians, I mean, your mailman is more important. It is, it serves a greater function. Unfortunately, these people have lots of power.

They have a little, a very little conscience and, and they have unlimited monopoly money from, from the Luciferian banksters. So we're in a fix there. But when you got more and more people, I think the popular consciousness shifting more and more towards decentralization, individual liberty. This is happening now. It's weird and it's mixed because we got all these psyops

that trying to funnel people into dead ends politically i know that it's very frustrating for us to watch because everybody's like i'm with team so-and-so and i'm you know i stand with so-and-so i'm like okay but that you're you're captured in the fulcrum of the psychological operation at this time and i i i respect the fact that you have some values and you want to fight for something and stand for something. But again, we're almost there. We're getting there.

You know, you talked about Fetterman, which I think he is. And I, this is just me. I think he is literally a humiliation ritual. I think like he was put there to make you feel like the country's stupid. And we can't,

I mean, the people of Pennsylvania, this is the, this is the, what the best they can do. we can't, I mean, the people of Pennsylvania, this is the, this is what the best they can do. This guy is, I mean, wearing a hoodie and shorts into the Senate, which, because by the way, it's a sacred place. Uh, we don't want to do that, but exactly. Doesn't he know he's supposed to walk in naked? What's wrong with him? Just, he could phone it in from, you wherever just to have a a screen representation of himself he he's you're talking about him with the israeli flag right yeah um that i think that attitude and the politics of yesterday i think think we're in, are in steep decline.

You're talking about foreign lobbies and what people looking at their pocket books, you know, James Carville, who every once in a while is in the news and he's famous for saying it's, it was the economy stupid in 1992. Yeah. Well, this is going to be so many things that hit people in their pocket books. Right. I mean, it's hearth and home stability crime all the things that are happening when you see a culture decay and has been set for it's a controlled demolition like our culture guard i think a lot of these politics of yesterday are just going to get thrown away by the wayside. I think people will stop playing by those rules in the sense that, um, you know, I think you talk about Israel and the Israel, Israeli lobby,

they have a powerful lobby, but AIPAC's not what it was 20 years ago. No, no, absolutely. And especially, I think, you know, regardless of what percentage of the college Gen Zers or, or under, under them, uh, might be, uh them might be actually, you know, really calling for extermination. I think that's very small. And of course, now, if you even call for a ceasefire, then people like Douglas Murray are equating that to that you're calling for the extermination of the Jews, which is just astounding, just amazing. But I think a lot of those people on the college campuses, it's a sort of nascent, and it might not grow anymore, but it is a nascent anti-war movement. And it seems to be fostered by recognizing what's been going on with Israel and Gaza. And contrary, amazingly, contrary to what George Orwell pointed out,

is the general tendency of the vast majority of the public, which is to forget things from minute to minute. Remember those chocolate rations there, Winston Smith? Yeah, you're one of the only ones who remembers that the chocolate rations were decreased just two weeks ago. Now they're claiming they're going up. Well, they're not going up relative to where they were before two weeks ago. But you're in the ministry of truth. So you're one of the few who sees how they're manipulating information. And I mean, that's the opening of the book. You know, he's, he's,

he's like, wait a minute. I just heard, what are they talking about on the radio? We don't have as much chocolate as we did, you know, sort of like the employment numbers that they come out with every month. And then they revise them downwards two weeks later, you know, but or inflation is down. No, no, no. It's still going up. It's just the the rate of inflation has gone from three point five percent to three point two percent or something like that. You know, it's ridiculous and it's compounded year to year. You know, it's a functional equation. And so it's just it's ridiculous. And it's compounded year to year. You know, it's a functional equation. And so it's just it's amazing. I think some of these some of these younger people, you know, they're starting to look into some of the some of the background there. I for some reason, I don't know, you know, whether that will expand or bleed over into other things and recognizing the source, the money source, the borrowing source, but they seem to be very connected to recognizing at least the military-industrial complex. Unfortunately, I think

that also has been leveraged by many neo-Marxists in the United States throughout the 20th century to get anti-war people to then attack the very concept of capitalism, which in the United States really has not been real capitalism. It's mercantilism. It's a form of fascism, government favors, government corporate status, that sort of stuff, and handouts and things like that. So when they look at the banking industry, I think many of them see it through glasses that are a little bit clouded, where they don't recognize that if you actually industrial complex as supporting the capitalist system. And, oh, we've got to bring it down. So a and turn it from a national socialist system to a world socialist Marxist system, try they're trying to do anything they possibly can to generate a hot conflict with Iran and get people's minds off of what the Israelis have been doing in the Middle East. military, put them more at risk than that. I think they think that that will lend credence to their arguments that we've got to wipe out all these people and do this. And it's not just for the

safety of Israel anymore. It's for all of our safety. That's where I think they're going. I agree with you. It's a great, it's a great synopsis and breakdown, by the way, my friend. Thanks. We got, I got it from Nikki Haley. Start the apologizing now, Gar. You didn't revise your history. The revision wasn't revisionist enough. Let me bring in my friend Don Jeffries. Don, welcome back to the David Knight Show.

Hey, how's it going, guys? How you doing? Great to see you, Don. I know that you know Gar Goldschmidt. I certainly do. And Don, I hope to The David Knight Show. Hey, how's it going, guys? How you doing? Great to see you, Don. I know that you know Gard Goldschmidt. I certainly do. And Don, I hope you got my email. I didn't get to see it until much later, so I apologize. No problem.

No problem. Yeah, it's great to see you. And what a great writer. And by the way, Tony, before I head out, Don, I just want to let you know I have given your books to my sister, Valerie. And she literally, she texted me yesterday. It was like, wow. So well done. Well, thank you. I really appreciate that guard. Well, she was just saying, wow, these are really terrible. No, I'm not just, I'll take a while, I guess. No, she, she really likes them. Thanks. Great. Thank you. You got it,

Tony. I'll leave you guys, uh, leave you guys to you guys to it, and maybe I'll see you towards the end of the show. Thanks for having me for the first hour, and I'll be listening. I appreciate it very much. And hats off to David Knight and the family. And by the way, I salute you with my David Knight pen, available at the David Knight Show store. We didn't even plug. I know. We did a whole hour.

I didn't do a commercial. I didn't even plug. I know. We did a whole hour. I didn't do a commercial. I didn't plug. That reminds me, TheDavidKnightShow.com, ladies and gentlemen. It's how you can go and find all the David shows, the links to his shows, archives. You can buy mugs, hats, shirts, pins, all the things that support David. You can make a direct

contribution. Again, we fill in for David, but we cannot replace him. Let's just make that very clear uh he is uh a treasure and uh his his work ethic and all the research that he does his wisdom we need him more than ever so support the show thedavidknightshow.com and we'll talk a little bit about maybe later and whenever i get to it we'll plug david knight dot gold somewhere in the show i'll plug it i've got stories on on uh gold and and uh what's happening with de-dollarization we'll maybe when don and i we might get into that because don wrote survival of the richest he knows a thing or two about uh the casino economy uh as i got that term from don

but i appreciate you god yeah join in the third hour if you want. Yeah, I'd love to. Thanks, Tony. Great stuff. You guys are angels in my eyes. I really appreciate all the stuff you do, just like David's family, too. I appreciate it. I appreciate you, Garth.

Thank you. See you guys in a while. See you. Well, Mr. Jeffries, I was supposed to host yesterday, folks. I just got a little run down from holiday travels and just being on the road and wasn't able to get it done. Don graciously just accepted to come back. It was supposed to be on yesterday. But, Don, while I was traveling, you had sent me a copy of your newest book.

I want to talk about that because I'm fast. There's a to set it up and I hope I'm doing it justice. There's a scene in Oliver Stone's JFK and there is a figure played by John Candy and he's a he's an attorney. He's talking to Jim Garrison, who is the D.A. in New Orleans. And there's they're just kind of opening up the the involvement of uh and I believe we're talking about Clay Shaw right and in the uh assassination of of JFK and um this this character and I've it's off the top of my head and we'll get into the name but his he kind of plays a beatnik and he's kind of got that same beatnik language and um there's a woman in a red dress and he says oh pop the bimbo in red and that's where you get that it's very it's very unique language that he was using and uh but the story is fascinating because it's really the sub

plot to oliver stone's jfk and you were able to go and meet with the man's son and to form a relationship and yeah i mean in you know in real life and then just delve into that that whole which this is what don does if you haven't read his books hidden history uh crimes and cover-ups in american uh politics 1776 to 1963 survival of the richest i mean i we got many many books that I, that I love and you have on borrow fame. We've talked about on this show, but this is the newest one. I wanted to talk to you about it. I haven't had a chance to read all of it yet. But I am fascinated by it because it does tie together a, a, when association of, you know, Clay Shaw, who went by the alias Clay Burchard, right? And he had the international trade and intelligence connections, Operation Mongoose, all that was going on in that area. So tell me

about what got you to write the book and what's the theme? Well, this one was co-written, by the way, with William Mattson Law, my friend, and he's an under-recognized JFK researcher. He's written several books himself. He's a specialist on the autopsy evidence. I don't think anybody knows more about it than he does. So tip of the hat to him. But it was inspired by my friendship. Actually, my brother, my brother was best friends with Dean Andrews III. And this is the son of Dean Andrews Jr., who you described was the beatnik lawyer. And he ended up being one of the crucial witnesses in the Jim Garrison case, because Dean Andrews Jr., the beatnik lawyer, played by John Candy,

on the late in the afternoon, early evening of the assassination, he was in the hospital and he received a phone call from Clay Bertrand. And he would later tell investigators about it. And naturally, he was told by Bertrand they wanted him to represent Lee Harvey Oswald. Now, he had done, who admitted been killed yet. He had done work for Oswald in a very small capacity for trying to get his dishonorable discharge changed, the military, and work on his wife, who had come from Russia, her immigration status. So I think he became embroiled in that. And again, I explained in the plot what I think this was all about in New Orleans. But at any rate, that phone call changed his life and changed young Dean's life as well. And part of the book is Dean goes

on the record for the first time. And he had been a family friend for years. I became close friends with him through my brother. We had him over the house many times for family get togethers and so forth. And he was fascinating to me and I was fascinated to him because he had never met, you know, one of the researchers that knew all this stuff about him. I knew more about his dad related to the assassination than he did. So we were mutually fascinated with each other. And this is the first time he really went on the record. William interviewed him.

We have the transcript of the interview there. And he taught a lot of background stuff, which is very fascinating. He touches on the camps, the anti-Castro camps, which he visited with his father and his father's reaction and how behind the scenes is despite the fact he turned on Garrison to save his own neck and you know committed perjury and did everything he could to stop Garrison because he saw all the other people being died he said I don't want to be crushed I like to breathe I don't want to be crushed like a rug and but behind the scenes as we show the book, he was extremely paranoid and he thought

they were out to get him for the rest of his life. He knew there was a huge conspiracy. So this book, we wanted to concentrate on the New Orleans aspect of it because of Dean's connection, but it's important because I call what I write about in the book, what we write about in the book is the ground level plot, the ground level conspirators. These are the people, this is where Lee Harvey Oswald was framed. He was framed in New Orleans. This is where he was set up. He was manipulated into this group. I believe like Jim Garrison did that at the time of the assassination, he was an undercover agent for the FBI, CIA, Office of Naval Intelligence. We don't know. He had connections apparently with all these things, But somebody instructed him, assigned him to infiltrate a plot to kill the president with these characters. And I believe that's why almost alone among the

researchers, I completely discount the Cuban connection and assassination. I think it's a complete smokescreen. It's akin to what when you hear of the Vakramaswamy and other people and Trump, when they talk about the Saudi Arabian connection, 9-11. It's kind of at that level. It's a smokescreen. And it should divert attention away. But Cuba had nothing to do with the assassination, I don't believe, because I think the proof is what happened after the assassination, which is nothing. Cuba died as an American political issue. There was no second Bay of Pigs.

Nobody tried to assassinate Castro, LBJ, Nixon, or anyone else. Castro outlived them all. But critics continue to act as if this is significantJ, Nixon, or anyone else. Castro outlived them all. But critics continue to act as if this was significant, but these figures were undoubtedly there. And we talk about them in the book. Carlos Branguer, who's still alive, and so many others, Eladio Del Valle, who ended up with a hatchet in his head the same day David Ferry was probably murdered, who was Garrison's main witness, really. But I think these figures, again, were, they, I go beyond Garrison.

I think they may have all, because they all had connections to intelligence too. They may have all been working against each other. They may, unbeknownst, they may have all been told the same thing. Hey, infiltrate this plot. And I personally think that's probably what happened because they all acted like that.

And at any rate, Oswald got sucked in there. He was set up to be the patsy. And I think Dean Andrews Jr., the lawyer we talked about, I think he was manipulated as well. It may be very well have been why Oswald was sent to him, you know, for these legal matters and why he's, you know, Andrews specialized during that summer of 1963 and so many, what he called the gay caballeros, you know, a lot of these anti-Castro Cubans who, why there were so many gays connected to this case, I don't know, but there unquestionably was. And for what I, people can speculate on that all they want, but especially for 1963, there are an awful lot of gay connections here for whatever it means. But so in this book, we I went through Harold Weisberg's Oswald, New Orleans, who it's an underappreciated book was written.

Jim Garrison got a lot of his research on that. We I was able to track down for the first time we we talked to the family of Lee Harvey Oswald's best friend in high school, which is Ed Vogel. And he I'd always thought he had been killed because he died very mysteriously in his early 30s at the Alvin Ochsner Clinic. And Alvin Ochsner was another guy who had connections not only to Clay Shaw, and we talk about that in the book, but he had connections to a lot of third world dictators, a lot of the CIA, obviously CIA connections. They would go to his clinic to get treatment. And Ed Vogel, Oswald's best friend in high school, went there and died very mysteriously. And I was able to become friends with his sisters who went on the record for the first time. I won't put any spoilers out there, but I have their picture in the book.

And, you know, we have lots, lots of interesting things, you know, so people will see the background here. And this is, again, these are, I don't want anyone to think these were not the real conspirators other than Clay Shaw. I think Clay Shaw, and we go into his background, it goes all the way back to Operation Paperclip in World War II. He had connections everywhere and to everything. Permindex, which may well have been an international assassination bureau. If you saw the film The Parallax View with Warren Beatty in the 70s, that was kind of based on Permindex. You have people like there, one of Hitler's old aides was involved with permadex. So was the former president of Hungary, you know, lots of,

it's very powerful people that, that Clay Shaw was involved with. He was no mirror. They tried to paint him as a kindly philanthropist. And he was hardly that's this, this is the, I think people will see what these are all people being manipulated. Jack Ruby, David Ferry, all these people, the varying degrees. I think they were pawns themselves. Patsy's to some degree to set up the real Patsy. And they were probably not even unwittingly doing it. But I think Clay Shaw was probably the conduit. He was probably the connection between that ground level plot and the people above him who were the real players,

the people in the Pentagon or the CIA or wherever this plot came from. But it came from far above any anti Castro Cubans or rogue CIA agents, as they like to say. There's nothing rogue about this. This was this was done at the top levels of the power structure. When you say the Cuban connection, you're referring to the researchers implicating the anti-Castro people. Is that what you're... So if you'll watch the movie JFK, they have Operation Mongoose.

Of course, Kennedy didn't send air cover during the Bay of Pigs. Then, of course, you have the Cuban Missile Crisis where Kennedy trades the jupiter missiles in turkey you know there's that back channel communique with khrushchev and all that was that upset the central intelligence agency and the hardliners you're right though it is interesting if that is the case why you know kennedy was assassinated then why didn't we it was free it was a free-for all after that. I mean, you,

you could have had a very hard line anti Castro, you know, president in LBJ. I'm sure he could be swayed easily, but that didn't happen. What do you think, why is it that, that so many of these figures were in the anti Castro orbit though, like Operation Mongoose and all of that that was happening, all the stuff that was happening in New Orleans. What do you think that was? Well, I think it was all part of the, I don't know how far in advance this plot was, but we do know that J. Edgar Hoover was asking about Lee Harvey Oswald in 1960. There's a memo out there that he

said, we're concerned that Oswald is being impersonated. Of course, in this book, we talk about how he was not only impersonated in Dallas and people, more people familiar with that, the gun range and driving the car and lots of people who saw someone who claimed to be Oswald, but clearly wasn't because he was documented to be in somewhere else at the time, work and places like that. But he was being impersonated in New Orleans as well. And we go through that, how we have a transcript of an interview with Ann Dishler, who William Long, my co-author, became friends with. She's deceased now, but she worked for Jim Garrison for a while. And she talks about one of the things she was investigating was all these Oswald sightings

in New Orleans, which a lot of them are unknown to people. I mean, one time at a bar, he made a big production of throwing up on the bar and getting real drunk, or somebody claiming to be Oswald. So he's attracting attention and throwing that Oswald name out there. Why they tied it into Cuba, again, I think it's just a smokescreen to try to say that, you know, this is what, because Kennedy clearly was going for a rapprochement with Castro at the time of his death. He didn't want to, and they continue. And the lie, there's so many layers to this, Tony,

where the lies continue to be pushed that the Kennedy brothers were behind the attempts on Castro. And there's a whole subsection of people out there saying, well, yeah, RFK, you know, he felt so terrible at the assassination because what he'd been doing came back and blew up in his face. You know, he was irate when he found out what they had been doing came back and blew up in his face. And, you know, he was up, he was irate when he found out what they've been, especially because he had been the only administration, the only administration ever to target the mafia. When he found out the CIA had been using the mafia in this, he was really apoplectic. And he was very bitter. His later Jack Anderson would drop a column about it when RFK was running for president and try to stop him. And he was

incensed. He told his aides, you know, this is ridiculous. I've tried to stop it. We wouldn't have done it. So what they were doing and their comical attempts to kill Castro, I mean, I have to think the CIA could have killed him if they really wanted to. But I mean, putting, you know, poison in his beard or something and his toothpaste, I mean, just really get smart type of stuff. I think that if it even happened, you know, this could all be myth. We don't know. But we do know that what happened afterwards, if you look at the motivation for something, a crime of this magnitude and the fact it's still covered up, what changed afterwards? Some people said he was killed because of civil rights. That didn't change at all. Civil rights legislation went through, and we've had several other civil rights legislations since then. That clearly wasn't the motive. Segregationists didn't have

the power over the media to still be covering it up 60 years later. Anti-Castro people, again, if they wanted a second Bay of Pigs, they had to have considered the assassination a miserable failure because they got nothing. As I said, Cuba died as a campaign issue. But what did change? Vietnam certainly changed. And I think that always can be looked at as one of the primary motivators because JFK, before the assassination, the month before, put out National Security Action Memorandum 263, which started the process of withdrawal from Vietnam. And Oliver Stone does make a lot of references to this in the movie JFK. However, the day of the assassination, I mean, the day before the assassination, George Bundy, who was a national security advisor to Canada, you think like Henry Kissinger to JFK, he wrote National Security

Action Memorandum 273. Of course, JFK never saw it. If JFK had seen it, he would have been fired on the spot. He wrote this again. He had. And so if people want to know prior minds, I think George Bundy had to be a conspirator in the White House, just logically, because he wouldn't have written a memo like that, which flip-flopped the Vietnam strategy and said, no, you know, we have to help. Which is what JFK had said, no, we just, this was recently too.

So I think those are one of those calling cards, a telltale sign. And so what happened after the assassination, clearly what JFK wanted, and he was on the, all troops out by 1965 and it's their war and all that stuff. And he told all his aides this. But that changed dramatically because after the assassination, the escalation began. So if you want to,

and that's one key thing where you look at it, okay, if they wanted to kill him and stop something, that worked. If you want to look at his comments about abolishing the CIA, he talked about actually abolishing the CIA. Imagine that now.

It's shattering it to a thousand pieces to the wind. Yeah, just think about that. So obviously after the assassination, that certainly changed because the CIA just got stronger. And the Federal Reserve, he was trying to reign in the Federal Reserve. A lot of people think he had issued the silver certificates. That's kind of unclear, but regardless of Federal Reserve's power was intact. The mafia, no one ever targeted the mafia again. Richard Dixon completely ignored the mafia. The mafia, no one ever targeted the mafia again. Richard Dixon completely ignored the mafia. And Israel, you know, at the time of the assassination, that's more relevant now today, is that JFK was the first president to confront Israel. The first, really the only modern president.

And he was very incensed behind the scenes and was involved in heated exchanges with David Ben-Yuri and the president of Israel over them developing nuclear weapons. Obviously, that changed because we saw in 1967 the USS Liberty was attacked by Israel and was covered up for decades. And Lyndon Johnson was the one who led that cover up. He was very pro-Israel. Obviously, Nixon, everyone down to Jimmy Carter was a little more even-handed. So these are all things that if you look at, OK, what changed with JFK's death? All that did. But Cuba didn't in terms of didn't change the way they wanted to. In fact, they just left it alone. And Castro, again, as I said, outlived them all.

So I just look at that's just, you know, I don't know exactly what happened, but I just think if you look at it logically, that's the way things turned out. Well, that is interesting. I go back to his American University speech, June 1963. If you want to know why the deep state murdered JFK, in my opinion, it's right there. It's one of the most beautiful cases ever made of respecting human life and striving towards peace and that peace isn't profitable. It's a higher calling because it's antithetical to all the things that drive so much of the corruption. And that speech is beautiful.

You know, we all breathe the same air. We all cherish our children's future, and we're all mortal. He's speaking about the Soviet Union. You know, Reagan would later call them the evil empire one time in the early 1980s. But even Reagan, you know, by the end of the 80s, was walking arm in arm with Gorbachev and red square and, uh, invoking God and, and, and prayer. So, I mean, you can juxtapose that to the leadership we have now, Don, and you and I talk about this every week and it's so, the psychopathy is so, it's so, it's so insane that the lust for war, both parties, both major parties, just driving

us towards war for different ends, different reasons, but the military industrial complex survives. And I think that really is something that JFK was, was reigning in or at least the rhetoric. And I think it was real that he believed in those things that he believed in peace. He wanted to, I think he wanted to leave that, that sort of sort of legacy and he'd been and you've written about this but he he'd been given his his last rights what three times by the time he was in his early 40s you know he'd been on death's door of course you have pt 109 in the pacific and his boat was his boat was cut in half he dragged you know it was

one of his uh his his crewmen teeth, you know, in the water. Here's another example. Yesterday, I bought two old notes. One's a $20 bill. I read this earlier. The $20 bill really gives it away, Donna. It's in fine print. They don't put these on the new $20 bills, but it says that it's redeemable in lawful money.

Yeah. Right. Which means that what it's supposed to be is a certificate. This isn't money. It's a certificate. So you can get money, which is they're talking about gold, but here's something really interesting. Okay. This is a 1963 $5 bill. Okay. the reason i bought that they only made them like that one time yeah okay it's not a federal reserve note there's no federal reserve stamp on this note and this came direct from the treasury and the reason it did is because it was issued by jfk he wanted direct notes from the treasury so he was like you talked about the federal reserve and his executive order on silver. Those things are, are reasons to be suspicious of,

you know, the financial sector being involved in, in his death. And, and it is the irony of ironies. The only two presidents to ever print notes direct from the treasury and Lincoln's on this one, JFK is the other. They both got shot in the head in public, as Jim Mars would reference all the time.

So this is something, not that I even agree with greenbacks or anything, but I think taking the power away from the Federal Reserve, there's an argument there. So I agree with you on, I think that it's kind of a ruse to say that it was all about Cuba or something like that. I think he'd made a lot of those, you know, Alan Dulles, you know, a lot of these the CIA and the Bay of Pigs failure and all that just exposing that. I think that had something to do with it. But I don't I don't think it was just these crazy Cuban connections. I agree with that. Yeah, no, and you referenced the American University speech, this was June in 1963, and I think he signed his death warrant with that. I think it's the greatest speech ever delivered by an American president, and people would just read it, and you've never heard any other politician talk about that, and he wanted, what do I mean by peace? Not by peace in our time, but peace for all time. I mean, he was raging against the concept of war itself. And he was the first person,

political figure I'd ever seen that demanded that we look at our enemies, at that time it was the Soviets, in human terms. He said, you know, they love their children and cherish their future too. And we don't look at that. I mean, I've argued with people back in the day when they're talking about Nazis and people like that. I said, well, you know, these are human beings. They weren't human. You know, it was like, I said, you know, do you think they didn't love their children? And they can't see, they can't see the enemy in human terms. And they, especially when I'm talking about the leaders, but I'm talking about the average soldier that, you know, that are fighting for obviously greater forces. But JFK was you're right about the Bay of Pigs.

And he got off to the I mean, people realize what Fletcher Prouty used to say, you know, he said he can't tell you what reverberations went through the Pentagon over this. I think Oliver Stone has that in his film with Donald Sutherland playing Mr. X, who was based on Fletcher Prouty, who was with the Joint Chiefs of Staff and saw this from an inside view. But the idea that after the Bay of Pigs, which Kennedy was shocked by because, again, he was a naive young president. He'd been planned in the Eisenhower administration with Richard Dixon as the political connection there as a vice president. Total CIA operation. And they assured him, and we would see this later with Iraq and places like that, is that, oh, the Cuban, when we get there, they're going to instantly, you know, they'll welcome us. I mean, like we would leader here with Iraq, they'll throw flowers at us and welcome us. It's exact same kind of philosophy.

They said, well, when they see the Americans, you know, it's coming in there, well, man, they're going to, the entire people will just, they'll run from this Castro guy. So Kennedy was, you know, he had Cold War spirit in him, as his inaugural address would say. So at the time he thought, okay, well, this, I guess he was naive. Maybe he thought they knew what they were doing. And so they blamed him for not providing air tower. He never thought he'd have to do that. And he said, no, he looked and saw it was a disaster.

I'm not going to make it worse. So they never forgave him for that. And he never forgave them. And he fired Alan Dulles, who was the director of the CIA right after it. He fired Richard Bissell, who was the second in command. And he fired General Charles Cabell, who was the third in command and whose brother, Earl Cabell, was the mayor of Dallas in November of 1963. And later we found that one of the subsequent releases had been a longtime CIA asset himself, to no one's surprise. But just imagine, as Prouty said, the reverberations throughout the military-industrial complex and the intelligence establishment when he fired the top three people in the CIA, he clearly, even though he very, very admirably accepted blame, he said, look, it's my fault.

I'm the responsible officer of the executive branch. And I think he said something like, you know, they said the thing is that victory has a thousand fathers and defeat is an orphan. And, you know, JFK always had this great, no other president has ever come up with these great lines from history that people need to remember. But so when he fired them, that was, and Dulles already hated, and people can't, and I'm, I think, single-handedly trying to restore the reputation of old Joe Kennedy, who I think was a great American, one of the great figures of the 20th century behind the scene, and he's been smeared relentlessly. But one of the things he did, and I found this out from Robert F. Kennedy Jr. in his book, American Values, where he talked about, I had no idea

that Joe Kennedy Sr. had sat on a commission in the 1950s to study the CIA. And he was the most vocal critic on that commission. And he said at that time, we've got to rein them in. We've got to take all their power away except for a strict foreign intelligence gathering. And Dulles was the director at that time. So you can imagine the antipathy Dulles felt already for the Kennedy family. So many people hated the old man anyhow. But I mean, you know, Joe Kennedy Sr. had been one of the foremost anti-war activists of his time. He was not only, as RFK Jr. pointed out, he was an anti, a World War I anti-protester as a young guy. And that's where he first clashed with Franklin Roosevelt at the two at the time,

was Assistant Secretary of the Navy and a typical Lindsey Graham type chicken hawk that was pushing every war he could while not going anywhere near any battlefield himself. And they actually clashed night crimes and coverups I talked about an early clash they had. And so later he drew the ire of FDR and Winston Churchill and everyone else. I mean, JFK's father had all the right enemies. And he made a beautiful anti-war speech when he was at the America First Committee, as so many other great Americans were of that day before Pearl Harbor. When he said, I would like the parents of the world to consider and just come up with one good reason for your child to go die in a war. And I thought that really distills was, that's, that's just a, that really distills it down to what it is. And so I have great admiration for him. He came from good stock. You mentioned, we talked about the, the notes that weren't Federal Reserve notes.

Again, behind the scenes, Joe Kennedy, senior, was one of the earliest critics of the Federal Reserve. He knew all about that. I can't believe when, when they were eating dinner and we've heard all the tales about the Kennedys, how they discussed current events and all this stuff. And they would come up with their socialist views that they were learning in school and the old man would counter them with capitalism and so forth. I can't believe they didn't discuss the Federal Reserve. So I'm pretty sure they were well steeped in that. And so I don't think, is that why JFK did what he did with the silver certificates, which as you pointed out is what Lincoln did. And you know how I feel about

Lincoln, but he did print the greenbacks. And I've tried for years to verify the quote that conspiracy people, from a London newspaper, but it's never specific enough. There's no exact date. So I don't know if they said it or not, but it's something like if this if this terrible policy which has occurred, you know, is allowed to transpire, this will be the collapse of everything or something. But it's a very dire quote that basically says we have to assassinate him. But I don't know. Again, I want to source things. And so I don't know if that really is a legitimate quote or some, you know, some conspiracy guy made it up and everybody, cause that happens sometimes, but there's no denial that, that what, what JFK was doing at the time of Zestnets, he had, he had lots of people that were mad at him, lots of powerful figures. So that's why there's so many, you know, if this was a Agatha Christie murder mystery, there's so many legitimate suspects, but as you know, I believe there's a group above it all and Illuminati, whatever you want to call it. And I think these, this is where

the decision was made, I believe. Well, I want to go back to the New Orleans connection and then your, of course, your new book. I call to Dean Andrews Jr. Was it November 22nd, 1963? Yes. Just after the assassination. Yeah. Now, you referenced earlier in the conversation that he had actually been an attorney for Oswald before to work on his honorable discharge and some of his military and his citizenship or what, Marina Oswald, right? Yeah. Yeah. He had, he had been, he'd done some

little work and he, as he pointed out many times, Oswald still owed him 25 bucks. So he was a little irate about that, but yeah, he had, he had done some, and again, I just look at that skeptically. Cause I think, I don't think it's an accident that he, cause he, again, he was connected to those same people in New Orleans. So I don't think it's any accident that they came into each other's orbit. For all I know, Oswald as part of his assignment might've been told, Hey, go to this guy. He's one of our guys, you know, he'll, he'll, you know, just, and you know, have him say,

you want some help on, on the end or something. Because again, I think everything about Oswald was orchestrated. So the fact that he was able to, at the heart, you know, the middle of the cold war that he was able to come back in without being even debriefed by the CIA or anything, at the height of the cold war that he did have a Russian bride. I think these things are all certainly suspicious. And so I think at this point, everything, all his moves may have been orchestrated. So I think he was probably told,

go to this guy. What Dean Andrews Jr. was told, I don't know, but he had lots of interesting connections himself. So he may have just, maybe he was doing something uh again for some intelligence agency as well i think dean the third has said said that he thought he was uh an asset rather than an agent or something but he thought his father had some connection so he's he's called uh the day of the assassination by Clay Shaw. Clay Bertrand. Yeah. Right. Which is okay. And so he, does he identify who this is, who he's talking to early on?

Does he, does he make the connection? Well, he, he, he knows he said Bertrand had sent him people before. And again, maybe this is part of the thing.

He's sending these people to the TV and Dean Andrews for a reason, but he, he started backtracking. And if people can look at his Warren Commission testimony, and we put it as an appendix, we have several appendices in the book, and one of them is Dean Andrews' Warren Commission testimony. You have to read it, because, I mean, I've read these, you know, these 26 volumes. Very few of us have, but they're mostly really boring, and especially the testimony is really boring for the most part. Dean Andrews Jr.,

his testimony is the Beatles of the Warren Commission testimony. He's number one. There's no question. It's the most interesting. You'd be fascinated by kind of the beatnik lingo, but in it, he basically brings up, one of the things I want to do is find out the real person who killed the president. You can see see the Warren Commission counsel saying, what? You don't think it was Oswald? I know good and well it wasn't Oswald. And then he talks about how he's the first one to bring up the Maggie's drawers thing. About that Oswald got Maggie's drawers when he was shooting, that he was that bad of a shot.

And he talked about Bertrand. And so the other thing is I want to find out who Bertrand is. And then later, when he started getting, you know, probably getting threats, but certainly when he started seeing people dying, other people dying, he started backtracking. And he, you know, he described Bertrand like Shaw early on, tall, and said, but then later, he claimed he was shorter and all this stuff. So he, he became ridiculous in terms of, we have a lot of his fluctuating testimony in the book. He was, frankly, became a ridiculous witness. But he, as long as he was willing to say something that discredited Garrison, NBC News later used him for their attack piece on Garrison, which was basically run by a guy named Walter Sheridan, who had been an assistant

to RFK in the Justice Department. And I don't know what kind of a plant he was, but it certainly sounds like, you know, they may, we recently found out Mark Meadows, for instance, was a plant inside Trump's White House. He was an undercover informant working as the chief of staff for Trump. So this guy could have easily had been a plant back in 1960, in the early 1960s, working for RFK's Justice Department, because he became a reporter for NBC News just for that one story. As far as I know, Walter Sheridan's investigative journalist career began and ended with Garrison's investigation. He was front and center there, and he was tape recorded. And I don't know why nothing happened to him, trying to bribe a witness, Perry Raymond Russo, who was a taxi cab driver who later,

eventually, when they killed all his other witnesses, became one of Garrison's most important witnesses. And he was ridiculed because he had some issues. He hated the Kennedys, by the way. But he basically recorded Sheridan saying, you know, hey, we'll move you out to California. We'll set you up. And I mean, basically, you know, tell him we'll set you up if you lie for us. And if you say what we want you to say. So this was Dean Andrews Jr. is caught in the midst of all this. And you have to wonder what, you know, what he was thinking. And so he was naturally terrified because he saw the other people dying. As he said, you know, I like to breathe in his colorful language.

And we have some quotes from him in there. He's just, he's just interesting to hear. And his son, Dean, the third has, has a little of that too, you know, not quite, but you can see in his interview, he kind of, he's very colorful about describing things. You know, he'll just kind of say things in a unique way. That's why I've always loved talking to him. But I think that Dean Andrews Jr. was a pivotal figure here because without Garrison knowing that, because Garrison knew Dean Andrews as his son.

Dean Thurston, you know, Garrison would call his house regularly to answer, hello, young Dean. You know, he'd answer the phone and he used to see him at the new orleans athletic club and so forth together and uh so i i think that when when garrison read his because he started reading at the behest of russell long you know he was long son at the he was the first one who told him hey something's not right about the warren commission is he's played by Walter Matthau and Albert Stone's JFK very memorably. And once he started reading the testimony, what really jumped out at him was Dean Andrews' testimony because he knew Dean. He was a friend of his. And when he saw what he was saying, hey, I want to find out who the real guy that killed the president, I know it wasn't Oswald.

And especially when he talked about that phone call, because again, Garrison found out about this stuff, you know, years later. He was initially interested briefly because of David Ferry, who had been a curious figure in New Orleans. And he did question him early on the assassination, but he kind of dropped it for a while. And then it was that conversation with Russell Long. And then when he started reading the testimony, Dean Andrews' testimony jumped right in. And that's why, you know, the title of the book comes from that memorable lunch encounter, which I don't know that he actually said pipe the bimbo in red. Young Dean said he never heard his father say that, but he said so many things.

And it may have been just colorful language that Oliver Stone made up. But regardless, that lunch was about that, where Dean is discovering, hey, Garrison is discovering, hey, what's up with this? What are you talking about here? And you can see in that conversation that he's already scared, and he's telling Jimbo, they can squash you like a bug and all that stuff. So he's really a figure that has not been examined, I don't think, as scrutinized the way he should. I mean, he's not he wasn't he wasn't a real conspirator, but he was someone, again, that was used and manipulated like Oswald was for a lesser role. But and the book also, I think, shows what what happens to people that are involved. You see what happened through Dean III. We had his mother, who's still alive.

I think she's 95 years old and lives in New Orleans still. We had her over to our house for dinner years ago, a couple, maybe 20 years ago or so. And it's the first time she had really agreed to talk about it to anyone. And I think maybe I halfway convinced her because basically her philosophy was that her philosophy was that he was, her husband was crazy. He's nuts. And he did kind of go crazy after the assassination, but from their perspective, you see, this is a very respectable family with a, the guy was a Dean Jr. was the president of the New Orleans jazz festival.

He knew a lot of the prominent people. He was, they were celebrated and high at the high society of New Orleans had a good life. Dean the third was, was bound for the same career. He was in law school. And all that was shattered. Dean, just recently, a couple months ago, we commiserated because my brother was his best friend and I lost him. And his brother, his younger brother, was probably the biggest victim of his father being involved in this because he just turned to drugs. And after he just died a couple of months ago, but it was after a lifetime of struggling with drug addiction.

So but all this, you know, if if Dean hadn't gotten that phone call in the hospital, probably, as he said, you know, I'd have a lot of money now. And he said, you know, I go over and see him and he's, he's living in section eight housing. Uh, he's not doing well. He's confined to a wheelchair. I go, we go over and take him out to lunch at, uh, at, uh, the Chili's it's right next to her there. And he thinks that's a big deal because he doesn't get to go out other than that, but his life would have been way different. I think he, you know, he would have been an attorney. He would have been financially said he probably would have never way different. I think he, you know, he would have been an attorney. He would have been financially set. He probably would have never met my brother. So I would have never known him, but it's, it just, you know, it shows in microcosm and that that's why his wife, I'm sure, resents it because she, it took something really good away from her. You know, she was living in

that orbit and enjoying the good life. And instead they became, you know, part of this, the JFK assassination quagmire, and her husband became discredited and ridiculed by everyone. So it's a character study on what can happen from people that just are even associated with these events. And the New Orleans connection itself is so intriguing to me because that centers around garrison. It's almost like it's tailor-made to be investigated it's all being done right there yeah and then you got you got intelligence and you got the fbi

there's that famous scene in in jfk where uh garrison you know kevin costner he's looking at all the buildings like well there's where oswald stayed there's the apartment where oswald stayed but there and then there's's guy banisters office right underneath that with the FBI and across. Oh, and I it's the office of naval intelligence. And then there's the CIA back in these. So he's like in November,

1963 or it was so, you know, it's funny. You court historians are hilarious to me now. Like they don't, I, it has to be on purpose because you're not going to be invited to the cocktail parties.

You're not going to be celebrated if you start making actual connections. It's so overwhelming. I know you've been doing this your entire life. You've been researching JFK. A lot of people that don't know you, if you read about Don, folks, it's amazing.

Like he was part of Mark Lane's investigation in the early 1970s. You actually went and saw the, and got to hold the Monlec-Carcano rifle at the Smithsonian. I mean, at 19 years old. So Don's been doing this a long time. Like he's a legit researcher, historian. He wrote the book Hidden History. It's the reason I know him.

I read his book. And anyway, you can look at this and it's just so overwhelming. Like look at the intricacies of what we just discussed in the last 40 minutes about Dean Andrews, Clay Shaw, Clay Burcham, Jim Garrison. It's not for nothing, right? They weren't, again, I wonder if they were surprised. Probably were because these things are probably decompartmentalized in so many ways. You really can't see who's doing what.

I wonder if they were surprised it was Oswald. And that's why they were like knee jerk like get him an attorney so we can you know because that would be a way to contain spillover like if you want to you want to put somebody around him that would stop any kind of like interrogation or yeah there's something some so we're talking like on the have you been able to run a timeline on when he got that phone call and like what yeah it was it was again i think again because of dean's recollections or uh uh dean the junior's recollections were kind of hazy and it were also in the book this is the first time dean the third

reveals uh suspicious things that were happening to his father in the hospital which is again i don't want to put a spoiler but it's never been out there by any researcher And it's a reason to wonder exactly what was going on with him in the hospital. So he's a little hazy on it. But I think it was, you know, maybe around dinnertime, something like that, that he received the call. And, of course, later what would happen is they would try to blame the drugs he was on and that he had imagined it, hallucinated it. And then he would later say, yeah, I guess I must. You know, because, again, he was he was saying whatever they wanted him to say at that point, because he was trying to, to stay alive. But you're right. I, I, most researchers don't question why he got that

call. Because on the surface of it, it makes no sense because if you have a conspiracy and they're going to kill, they know they're going to eliminate the suspect. And why, why are they worried about getting him an attorney? Because the, the, the subtext here is that Oswald was asking for an attorney constantly. That's one thing he was saying in public. I do request someone to come forward and give me legal assistance. And once you have the American Bar Association, this is how big the cover-up went, and I talked about this in Hidden History, they sent a representative to meet with him and supposedly told the representative, no, I'm fine. And every public chance he got, he said, I need a lawyer. So that had to be a lie. So the American Bar Association is involved in this. ACLU,

these people are involved in it because they're saying, ah, he really didn't want a lawyer. He just, for some reason, he's saying it publicly. But so if you're assuming that all these people, except Shaw, again, that Burton is the one who made the call. So I can only speculate, but were the people at the top telling Shaw to do this, telling Bertrand to do this? Hey, you know, let's get Dean Andrews over there. And maybe, you know, I don't think Shaw knew everything because later we talk in the book about the very curious way Clay Shaw died, you know, long after his trial. And you talk about when a neighbor saw an ambulance pull up to his house and take a body out and go inside the house. I mean, that's a, you know, we after his trial. And you talk about when a neighbor saw an ambulance pull up to his house and take a body out and go inside the house.

I mean, that's a you know, we've got these people play for real. That's what happened to Clay Shaw. So he wasn't around that long to question either. But so these we can really only speculate. But I agree. I mean, the phone call doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me either. But it obviously it happened for whatever reason, and it's the same thing with Oswald's arrest in the theater, there's so many questions about that, you have witnesses that saw an arrest, somebody being taken out of the back while he was going out of the front, so there's so many things, questions about who was in the theater and why, you know, you had really big shots, high-ranking police officials and federal agents that were at the scene of that theater to go after someone who supposedly snuck into a theater without paying for a ticket.

At the time, the president had just been assassinated. And of course, the person, the clerk, the cashier said, no, she didn't see anybody sneaking with that cash, but didn't matter. You know, that's that's that's what he did. So lots about this to question. And this is the minutia that, you know, has taken over my life for a long time where I talk about all these things. We don't have much time left, but I wanted to tell you a story about JFK assassination, just my own personal history with it. I had a good friend of mine. I ran for Congress in 2013, 2014 against the,

the oldest living member of Congress to ever cast a vote. It was the last world war II veteran in Congress. I didn't think he was going to run again, but he was my Congressman from the time I was born. Like he'd, he'd just gotten elected. His name was Ralph Hall. And we became very,

very good friends. I actually stood in for him and spoke for him and on his last campaign. And I ran his Twitter. He liked having me around because I knew all this history. You know, it's like, he's talking to somebody who I, all these players and different figures. And I, I never asked him where he was on November 22nd, 1963 until just shortly before he died. And we just, we had a lot of history conversations. And I was sitting there with him, and he had a fire going. And I said, hey, sir, I never did ask you.

Because he was state senator in the early 1960s. He was friends with Lyndon Johnson. That story about Lyndon Johnson saying, get that last bit of names off that row in the cemetery, because they deserve to vote, too of, uh, names off that row in the cemetery. Cause they deserve to vote too. He told Ralph to do that. I mean, that was, that was, uh, Ralph told that story. I'm not kidding. He said, don't people deserve to vote too. And so, uh, you know, I got a great picture of him and LBJ in the Oval Office and Ralph was a tall guy. He was a pilot in World War II, uh, flew in the Pacific and, uh got eye to eye with LBJ. It's a great picture. I need

to hang it up in my office. I asked Ralph, I said, where were you? He said, well, I was getting ready for dinner. He's like, I was about to leave. We're headed to Austin. He was very good friends with John Connolly. They were headed to where JFK was supposed to go. He was actually on his way to Austin for a dinner that night. Did you ever piece that together? Where was he headed from Dallas? Who was headed? Oh yeah, he was supposed to make a speech at the trademark, the Dallas trademark, which is ironic because Clay Shaw, of course, was the head of the international trademark in New Orleans. I don't know if that's that's a strange coincidence. You know, that's where he's supposed to speak.

Yeah, I thought it was interesting. He was supposed to and he was going to later. I think later it was dinner that night in Austin, I think, with the governor because he's with John Connolly. At least that's the way Ralph told it. So I just thought that was interesting. Like he was invited to the dinner that never was. And, uh, later, you know, he, uh, Ralph would, um, he collected all kinds of memorabilia and he was just, you know, he owned banks and stuff. He was an old school guy, but, uh,

he was tied in very well. And he would tell me stories about, uh, and Marina Oswald lived in the town I grew up in. Uh, she actually had a house in Rockwall, Texas. And, um, I, I want to say they had memorabilia. It came down to, I think Ralph was going to buy the pistol that Jack Ruby used. Um, and, uh, and he was going to buy that him and Mickey Mantle. That's what he's telling me this story. Him and Mickey Mantle. And anyway, it was a great story. But his wife told him not to buy that pistol.

She said, we don't profit off other people's misery. So he had like these kind of swirling connections to the people in the JFK assassination, like, like, like John Connolly. And he would tell me stories about how, you know, every election cycle, John Connolly put that leather, that brace back on his wrist to say, you know, I was in the car with Kennedy, you know, and of course so much there, the assassination of JFK and the people and the figures around it still have massive reverberating effects in our history today. It's not a cold case that doesn't matter, folks. I mean, it really is. And you talk about in hidden history, you call it the mother of all conspiracies.

In our modern era, I think you're right, Don. I mean, it is the nucleus for sure. It is. I mean, there's so many people that are. I mean, it is the nucleus for sure. It is. I mean, there's so many people that are willing to, can not believe me. I know from the JFK research community, that's why I'm not more welcome there because I talk about all these other things. And so many of them are willing to consider the FBI and the CIA

and everybody covering up in this and witnesses being silenced, all that in these JFK assassination. But they don't take it any farther than that. And they think it's an isolated, happened in a vacuum, and obviously it didn't. And that's why, you know, although I spent some of the time as a teenager being, you know, obsessed, you know, the JFK assassination, this is always my wheelhouse issue. It led me down these other rabbit holes. And so, you know, all the other issues that we talk about, but it all started with JFK. And I think for my generation, JFK assassination, I was a very little kid when it happened, but for my generation,

the JFK assassination was a seminal event just as for later millennials or whatever the 9-11 was. But so that's, it's kind of like, that was our 9-11, but this, this was something that still, I go back to it and I think it's, it's crucial to like that was our 9-11. But this this was something that still I go back to. And I think it's it's crucial to understand what happened because it has ties to everything else. As I pointed out, if JFK hadn't been assassinated, RFK never would have been. I don't think Chappaquiddick would happen because I think that was Teddy's political assassination. And certainly the JFK Jr. playing crass, which I've written about critically about, I think was another Kennedy assassination, that wouldn't have happened either. And the attacks on RFK Jr. wouldn't be what they

are, I don't think, if it hadn't been for this, again, this history, which goes back to the old man. That's why I keep talking about Joe Kennedy Sr. He lost his first son, Joe Kennedy Jr., who there's some suspicions about that plane crash as well. And Joe Kennedy Sr. was hated by the establishment. So I don't think it's any surprise that his son, who got in the White House for whatever reason, people always ask about, why do you think they let Kennedy in? I have no idea. I don't know. Maybe you have other people that think they wanted to create a martyr. They wanted all this. This is all orchestrated. I have no idea. But all you can do is look at what happens to the Kennedys. That's why I continue to defend them. You know, people call me a Kennedy fanboy and I am because they keep knocking them off.

You know, I mean, it's like to me, to me, it's unfortunately speaks well of people if they continue to get knocked off by this, this, these corrupt tyrants that run us. Well, it's a it's a sad metric in American politics, but it's like, well, did anybody try to kill you? Are you effective? Have you been assassinated? Yeah. A lot of people have told me that myself. It's like, well, yeah, how come they haven't tried to kill you? So, I mean, babe, the only way to be, I guess, legit is to be assassinated. Let's not hope for that, Don. It's that, Don. I'd hate to think that's the case. Please don't invoke that. I think it's just a level of effectiveness. You talk about Joe Kennedy. It always made me really suspicious of the establishment. They called him an appeaser

because Joe Kennedy, father of JFK, wasn't he the ambassador to Great Britain under FDR? And they were rivals. And they had a I think they had a very different viewpoint on geopolitics and foreign policy. Yes. And of course, this is America first. I mean, the America first movement, somebody needs to do and you've done a lot in your work, too. But there's so much to unpack there. Yeah.

About how it really represented the best of america and for decades and still is demonized yeah by the estate and joe kennedy was one of those people that he was you know one of the guilty men you know uh he was a he was a neville chamberlain you know peace in our time and all that well you know even neville chamberlain was a good man too. There was some people that didn't want to have a worldwide cataclysm, you know, just because there was a lot, he talked about invoking parents. You know, you talk about the American first speech, asking the parents, do you want your sons to be sacrificed on this altar? The American people turned away from,

you know, the after World War One, we didn't want any part of the League of Nations because we lost 150,000 troops and then hundreds of thousands wounded for what? To make the world safe for Hitler and Stalin? It really wasn't a good bet. So I think I think history is not kind to those who, you know, again, stand up to the expansion of government power or the expansion of the military industrial complex or the state itself. And Joe Kennedy, I think, is a victim of that. And he also, he's a bootlegger, right? He didn't make his money. That's what you have to be. You're a crime syndicate boss, right? I get so sick. I mean, it's the litany of things he gets. He was a bootlegger. He was involved with

the mob, which is nonsense. The mob hated the Kennedys and the Kennedy administration. Kennedy stole Chicago with Mayor Daley in 1960. I mean, these are all, if that happened, it was part of big city politics that happened in every election. But again, it's always Kennedy who's singled out. You don't talk about landslide Lyndon, or the Senate where he is, as you pointed out, first brought out the dead vote. You know, hear things like that and very other questionable electoral politics. So it's the Kennedys continue. I think they stand out pretty well historically. And as you mentioned, America First Committee, Charles Lindbergh was another prominent American that was part of that.

And it was mainly a liberal group for the most part. It was classical liberals who, and in Crimes and Cover-Ups, I talked a lot about that. People like John T. Flynn, who FDR was the first president to cancel somebody. He canceled that guy's career. He was a good liberal, wrote all the mainstream publications. FDR sent out memos to all the big newspapers and magazines saying, hey, don't hire this guy. He's an appeaser and ruined his career. And I'll have more about that in the upcoming American Memory Hall about FDR. He was the first one to use the press, which he had, you know, just like you look at Obama or Biden today has the mainstream media in their hand.

They used the press of his day to go after his opponents. He used the IRS. It wasn't Nixon. The FDR used it much more explicitly. So, I mean, that's why I write about hidden history because people just, they don't know that everything they're being told is a lie by the court historians. It really is. When you start unpacking it, folks, you get real historians like Don Jeffries. You go, oh, my, I can't believe this. I didn't see these connections because you're never it's never brought up.

I mean, it's just they paint a picture that's completely different because that the universities are funded by the same corporations that fund the media. So you don't get and there's no reward for people that want an academic career to go against the grain and say, well, that's that doesn't make sense. Let's let's look at some evidence here or let's look at the actual character of this. You know, this last couple of weeks, you know, we had the anniversary of Pearl Harbor. I talked about it with David on his show here. And we talked about, you know, foreknowledge that FDR had on Pearl Harbor. You know, the Japanese code purple had been broken months before that. They knew that the Japanese were going to strike.

They didn't know exactly what minute, I don't think, but they knew that it was coming. They were warned by congressmen, by people that had intercepted radio transmissions. So, you know, that's a, and then 1980, what was it? John Tolan wrote a book called Infamy. Yes, yes. He was a court historian, but he went and actually dug it up

and got, you know, uh the foias and and everything else to show that there was ample evidence and and foreknowledge and he was demonized yes the uh barbara tuckman who wrote the guns of august called uh tolan a nazi yeah because he's because well first of all that doesn't even make any sense but he was saying that he's a nazi now you wanted to rewrite the good war world war ii and i i just say folks you know i'm i'm not a professional historian but we went to war supposedly you know in in 1939 the west went to war against itself uh for poland uh because uh hitler invaded Poland, so Great Britain declared war on Germany. Well, at the end of the war, we gave Poland to Stalin. So 50 million dead, just to give it back to Stalin? That's what the end of the war, that's what it was. So Don, I could talk history with you for

hours and hours, and that would be a great show in and of itself. But I get to do that every Saturday on America Unplugged. I'm a very a very very fortunate man uh the america unplugged channel on rockfin and anywhere podcasts are found don tell people where they can find you uh and of course i want to say before that we're having a a panel discussion on an article i got charlie robinson mr anderson guard goldsmith here if you want to stick around on you know you're always welcome if you got to go that's fine too that's That's fine. Yeah. I get to go. Cause I can just, but yeah, I appreciate it. They get the, please, uh, sub stack Donald Jeffries that sub stack.com is called. I protest like my live stream. He says the only place I'm not

shadow banned on pipe. The bit bone red is a new book. Masking the truth is out there as well. The most shadow banned book in the world. So, uh, I appreciate everyone's support and, uh, I thank you, Tony, for your support. Thank you, Don. Always a pleasure, sir. Appreciate it. I'll talk to you later. Thank you. All right, folks. Well, we're in the third hour and I've got a very esteemed panel. Let me start adding their streams one at a time here. All right. We've got Mr. Anderson, Charlie Robinson, Guard Goldsmith, all here too. And by the way, it wasn't like a lot of advance notice. So thanks gentlemen for being here. The third hour of the David Knight show.

I've not even really plugged the entire time. We're in the third hour. Guard Goldsmith came in early, made radio easy. Then I got Don Jeffries. How can you not make radio or podcasting easier than that? You got Don. So we're in the third hour. It's guard goldsmiths came in early, made radio easy. Then I got Don Jeffries. How can you not make radio or podcasting easier than that? You got Don. So we're in the third hour. Um, I like, we got some great subject matter, but I want to introduce, uh, my little brother, uh, Mr. Anderson. If, if, if you want to know what, what he does at the end of, uh, Raiders of the lost Ark, you know, when they asked where the Ark of the Covenant went,

and it says it's being examined by top men. That's what he is. It's being examined by top men. So welcome to the David Knight Show, Mr. Knight. Yeah, let's go with that. Hey, Tony. How you doing, buddy? Good to see you, my friend.

Thanks for having me. Oh, thanks for coming on. This article we're going to discuss, I thought it was, it has so much to unpack. So we're going to get to it. it was, it has so much to unpack. So we're going to get to it. Charlie Robinson, thanks for being here as well. Author of The Octopus of Global Control, The Controlled Demolition of the American Empire, Macro Aggressions Podcast, and the hardest working man in alternative media. Good to see you, my friend.

Good to see you too. As they say in Raiders of the Lost Ark, it's not the years, it's the mileage. That's true. I always feel like somehow in this life, I'm just Indiana Jones trying to get the idol to have the same weight as the bag of sand. It doesn't act quite right. I'm just trying to make my life work that way. Gard, thanks for coming back in the third hour. To the best of my ability, I'm my own producer. I don't have a Travis Knight here, but let me click this article and try to get it to feed into the stream. One second. But we're going to go over.

I saw this yesterday or two days ago, and I thought this is a phenomenon. We've got Gen Z is reading the bin Laden letter. Okay, so a lot to unpack there to begin with, but this is the, again, TikTok, all the things that Nikki Haley hates. This is the Daily Mail. Let me pull this up. So, Daily Mail, one in five Americans, and the young Americans, has a positive view of Osama bin Laden, disturbing... Sorry, I don't know why this is coming up.

Well, I lost the feed. Well, let me put it back. Give me a second, I'll put it back up. Gen Z is reading the bin Laden letter, right? I've got questions about that in and of itself. But what this is, is you've got this new generation is stumbling upon a phenomenon known as blowback and rationalizing the actions of the so-called 9-11 hijackers and the terror plot because of our involvement in the Middle East and so on and so forth.

If you read the bin Laden letter, well, it's interesting that this is even a headline because there's something going on here. And I want to unpack what could be causing this right now when we have, it's 9-11 and I was part of, you know, the first army company on the ground in Kandahar, Afghanistan following 9-11. And then again, I was in the tail end of the invasion of Iraq. So I had a front row seat to the geopolitics that were in the aftermath. And I learned a lot about it. I learned a lot about,. I learned a lot about, you know, the different belief structures and who does what. And, you know, I worked with the intelligence communities and what they were seeing there on the ground and what they were talking

about. But I've had questions ever since, because if you notice, there was this time when it was like we're in the battle of civilizations and it's good versus evil and we're going to democratize mankind and all this stuff and all of a sudden one day it just went away and i thought that's not how classes of civilizations work you know and if you go back and you look at uh syria uh in the lead up to that the deep state for sure wanted to try to drag America into another Middle Eastern conflict. They just couldn't get it off the ground. They couldn't get the public behind it. They tried several times with false flags that were clearly just sloppy, the white hats. And he's gassing his own people.

And this is when I started out in radio. And I'm like, clearly, this is a false flag. I mean, can you see that? And the American people, for all their faults, didn't jump. There was there was the remember there was the red line that Obama put down. Well, if you folks, if you remember your timeline right after that, you didn't hear much about it. There was there was ISIS and the Toyota pickups that we gave them and all the weapons. And Hillary Clinton ran in 2016 on bombing and shooting down Russian aircraft if they tried to hurt al-Qaeda. That's where we went.

So by 2016, the policy of the U.S. government was to protect al-Qaeda. I don't know if anybody was paying attention. That was the 2016 foreign policy debate between Trump and Hillary Clinton. So al-Qaeda went away. And now they're bringing it. They're getting the band back together because after October 7th. So I've been asking the question, I go, where'd they go? Why is it not a thing?

Because we have a wide open. If you want to know, like, was something's real. And I can't wait for you guys to chime in on this. But if you want to know something's real like covid 1984 is it real is it the most deadly thing to ever no because we have a wide open border is terrorism real yeah probably when we fund it and of course if you go over to somebody's you know where they live and occupy it you're going to get shot at and blown up there's things are going to happen that's real but we have a wide open border. So, you know, Jim Mars brought that up for years and years.

That's kind of the tell. So I'd ask where it went. So now I'm seeing these stories. I'm going to see if I can pull it back. I'm having trouble with my, uh, being my own, I'm going to fire myself as my own producer. I know you guys had a chance to read the article. Charlie, I'll throw it to you first. What were your thoughts on this as a phenomenon going on with young people and Osama bin Laden? I mean, what's you know, unpack this for me. What am I looking at? I can't wait till ISIS gets out of the studio and drops their new album. It's going to be the best. It might even be the bomb, they say. This is just wait until these kids get to Bill Cooper's work.

You know what I mean? You can watch them like going through. They're like, oh, look at this bin Laden letter and everything. You're like, keep going. Yeah, keep going. You're almost there. You're almost to the good part. It's hilarious and terrifying all at the same time. Because, again, I like the fact that they're not getting their news from the mainstream media.

But they're getting it from a source that also is equally ripe for manipulation and, and preying on their emotions and, and giving them 95% truth with 5% lies and all that, all those tricks that, that they use on us to, to convince people to feel a certain way about things. It's interesting that they're, you know, I want to like interject into this whole conversation with the kids that are reading about Bin Laden and say, okay, here's a little footnote as well.

Remember, we used to call him Tim Osman when he worked for the CIA. We did that for 20 years. He was one of our guys. So that's information that you probably need to know. And the Tora Bora caves and all that nonsense, you know, you probably, like it would have helped. It's very helpful to be alive during that event because you, in retrospect, you look back and you go, oh yeah, I do remember that. That is crazy. You know, you think you, you think you've got thoughts on Osama bin Laden, all your new generation. That's great. Let's we can, we can explore that, but also

just remember that the mainstream media told you that a passport from a hijacker was found at the foot of an FBI agent blocks from the crime scene. If you can believe that, as Garrick Utley had to preface, because he could barely believe that the words were coming out of his mouth. So there's a lot that gets lost just over the years. I'm sure that the same has happened to me looking back on the Kennedy assassination because I wasn't there and I wasn't alive. And so the new generation re-examining 9-11, good, I guess. I'm all for them examining 9-11, but only if they do so with some better source material. So we know that the mainstream media is totally corrupt,

but, you know, I don't know that TikTok is much better. So again, like on the one hand, I'm glad that they're reassessing things, but I would love to be in the room to, to kind of say, Oh, that's propaganda. Hang on a second. That's stuff that you're, you're talking about right now. That's straight up propaganda and lies. You're close, but here's where, you know, I'd love to kind of guide the process, but you know, we don't really get that, that luxury. It's, it's, it's hilarious to me though.

Also like the, the, the, the side of me that finds the humor in all of this, like the people, these kids are like, well, actually Osama bin Laden was a great guy. And you're just like, Oh, this is so this get, get your popcorn. The 2024 is going to be wild. Like you mentioned, like, can you imagine they come across the audio recording of bill Cooper and I, Charlie and I both spoke at a free world NYC in New York city, you know, pretty much on the anniversary of, of nine 11,

just talking about the event and where I referenced bill Cooper, because it's one of the things that, and I've talked with Billy Ray Valentine, who just joined us, by the way. He's hanging out. He's going to be part of the panel. It's good to see. It's good to see BRV. You know, thinking about him telling his audience in June of 2001

that there's going to be a major terror event. There's going to be a cataclysmic terror event. It's going to be blamed on Osama bin Laden. And don't you even believe it? I mean, this is a guy in his eager Arizona, you know, his upstairs and his home studio telling you how this works and how that the CIA had recruited Osama bin Laden and trained him and funded him. And they know exactly where he is and that, you know, CNN can somehow find him and do an interview. But the FBI and the CIA and military intelligence and supposedly he's an enemy of Israel and

he's saying he's going to attack. But why doesn't Israel take him out? There's all these open questions. And then who is he? Matter of fact, there's an article up. I thought this was pretty apropos there's an article up on lou rockwell.com a great site for articles and libertarian thought and and it says is al-qaeda an existential threat and what is the meaning of al-qaeda in arab? And you know what it is?

The meaning means that it means doesn't mean the base, which is what we were told by the media. Like they just sprung up and it's this shadowy group that just wants to kill us for our freedom. You know, and by the way, if they hate us for our freedom, can we just be friends now since we know happening left? Yeah, exactly. They don't want to kill us for our freedom. But it doesn't mean that, folks. It doesn't mean the base. It means the database. It was the database set up by the Central Intelligence Agency for the Musha Hadeen and the Holy Warriors, the fighters against the Soviet Union after the Soviet Union invading Afghanistan is one of the reasons why you, Charlie mentioned the name Tim Osmond. That was Osama bin Laden's code name. And he was brought in in 1979. I know when the Soviets invaded Afghanistan, because that's the day I was born. So, I mean, they were talking to

him. I just had a birthday. It was December 26th. They already had that in the works to resist the Soviet invasion. So They were anticipating this. These surface-level things are not exactly what, and the kids are stumbling across them. I personally think, and I'm going to throw it to Mr. Anderson after this, I personally think that these type of pop culture cul-de-sacs, I think they're creating a database of Gen Z z-ers and tiktokers and all these other they want to see who subscribes to this belief system because i think they're actually

doing some data mining right now um if you know anything about simulations the pentagon two or three years ago ran a a war simulation against a Generation Z Bitcoin revolt. So what's the Pentagon have to do with currency? Everything. Anyway, I'm going to throw it. Mr. Anderson, any thoughts on this being some sort of trial balloon they put out for, you know, they want to test the mood of younger people or TikTok people?

What do you think, Michael? Yeah, I'm kind of not in that sphere of influence, but it seemed right from the outset to me, it's somewhat of a limited survey. It looked like only a thousand people, but I was annoyed right from the outset because this is just going to give people like Ben Shapiro more ammunition to practice his angry auctioneer cadence and Mark Levin to start yelling, ah, shut up, you idiot. So there's reasons I don't listen to them anymore. But yeah, I really don't engage in conversations with people who don't even have anything more than surface level details. I've had to come to that agreement with myself to avoid a lot of

irritation. I mean, I would imagine these people who answered that way in the survey have no idea about that building that Wonder Woman and her jet hit on the same day that collapsed. And so I would really like to see how the questions were framed and if I could add some other questions to the survey like that. So I agree with you, Tony. We were discussing about it. You brought up something I didn't know the other evening about there was apparently a memo the White House sent out, right, about which of these PSYOCs are real. We don't even know anymore.

Oh, yeah, that's recent. Yeah, in the last year or so, the executive branch put out a memorandum to all agencies in the periphery of the executive to report on what psyops they were running because no one knew exactly what was real. There's so many psyops. Folks, you can look it up. They wanted to try to figure out what was actually real or not because they were running so many simultaneous psyops and uh they got away from them i like the invisible plane reference that's very good i've not thought of that before it's the meme with all the spider-mans pointing at each other yes yes that's exactly what i thought of charlie last night well guard uh you know you uh you and i talked off air before we went live today i kind of mentioned this article and i and i david's i believe spoken about there's something weird with

it like they it makes headlines um especially after october 7th you know we're they're getting the band back together we're hearing about al-aeda, you know, Billy Ray's mentioned this to me many times about, you know, after Trump had a Soleimani killed, there was a, there was hashtag world war three, the, the Iranian general, you know, they killed in Iraq and there was something on the horizon with another conflict. And then that kind of got buried. And Billy's been mentioned, they're going to bring that back. They're they're going to bring that back you know and i've been waiting for it because i wonder what would they use for the opportunity this seems to be sneaking it in kind of putting

it back into the the consciousness and this is something that bill cooper talked about in his 2001 broadcast he's like they're getting him ready for his close-up like they're they're showing you the image of osama bin Laden doing these fake interviews like CNN. Supposedly, they can find him, but the intelligence community can't and all this stuff. He's an enemy of America. There's something with this, I think, that goes along with not just the gullibility of younger people, but the fact that they won't research it a little bit further. But there's something else to it.

Gar, what do you think? Is this some kind of, does the executive branch need to rein this up into? It was interesting because that poll is quite a reminder. It follows up on, my initial blush was, wow, you know, this seems to be spontaneous. It's coming out of, you know, things like TikTok and people are spreading these things around and again you know we mentioned nikki haley to stay off of tiktok because you're going to turn into a nazi you know oh my gosh but uh uh but oh by the way i hear that uh even though wonder woman lost her invisible jet uh in 9-11 uh she's going to have a new one to be able to fly to cop 29 privately so So it'll be totally cool, totally for the climate.

Everything's thumbs up. Awesome. But anyway, just so they can gin up more fear. Looking back at it, it does seem kind of strange. And we know that so often these forces

that have these long-term plans, they have to probe. They have to test and find out where the film is strongest in opposition and where it is most most malleable. And so it definitely could be something where even though I think the bin Laden document is a real document and does actually show what he thinks. Maybe even that isn't real. I don't know, but I do think it is. And I, the, the logic behind the actual bin Laden thing, whether it's real or not real, I start to think to myself, okay, look, we know that in, inside the bin Laden document, he talks about basically he's giving the argument for blowback. And he's saying, look, we're doing this not because we hate McDonald's, not because we don't like Playboy magazine, but because of what is going on in the United States policies here for decades. And we're going after you.

And just like you've been sold this this tomfoolery of this is your government, we are now also agreeing with that. So we're going to attack civilians. You know where the line is there and how closely he was working with the CIA. narrative that someone is putting out, then that actually runs counter to what Wesley Clark was discussing on Democracy Now when he was saying, look, I found out they want to topple these seven nations. They want to eventually go after Iran, which is what they're trying to do now. So I tend to think, as some of the other people, as I mentioned, the Times Square bomber said the same thing when he was sentenced and asked how he pled. So we know that there is such a thing as blowback. One of the most trustworthy guys out there, Ron Paul, has talked about that.

We know when you're blowing up wedding parties or soccer players in Yemen or little kids or extrajudicial murders of Americans overseas as well. We know that there's going to be maybe some people who are connected to those who don't quite like that. So I think the arguments that were presented in the bin Laden letter are probably authentic, but where did it come from in this sudden way? Was it artificial? It's very tough to tell. And that's where I sort of, I just can't figure that out. If it was done artificially, why would they put that information out there and get all these people now exposed to an argument that runs counter to their long-term goals? Unless they've got some other long-term goals.

Or as you say, they're probing because they thought it would be discovered eventually, so why don't we put it out now? I just don't know. Perhaps data mining. There seems to be a resurgence of trying to reset the table again to a Middle Eastern-focused foreign policy again, especially as the dollar wanes. I just read, you know, we read the article earlier today about Russia and Iran officially dumping all ties to the dollar. This is part of de-dollarization that's happening. You need to go back to Wesley Clark, General Wesley Clark, that was a Supreme Commander of NATO up, you know, and during Mr. Clinton's Kosovo War, another one of my foreign wars

I had a front row seat to. And he got to go into the Pentagon after he retired after 9-11. And they said, we're going to hit seven countries in five years. This is always there's been some, you know, this the strategy of controlling trade and oil. And of course, there's there's the political aspect of the Israeli lobby in our foreign policy as well and how much we get involved there. So I think they're resetting the table. And I think they're also data mining. I think they realize that the country is not the same.

You couldn't do the same thing that you're talking about, galvanizing popular sentiment. It would have to be cataclysmic on a level we've never seen before to even get close to those type of numbers to justify everything that happened post 9-11. So to me, they're doing something. And of course, they're controlling the narrative as well. Because, I mean, if you can keep it focused on, well, that's why terrorism happens and not the fact that 9-11 was something other than what they said it was. I mean, Charlie mentioned earlier that they find the hijacker's passport in the rubble. Jet fuel somehow breaks the laws of physics and melts steel, but it can't melt a passport. I mean, come on. I mean, it's like this is the stuff they expect you to believe or that there's, like Mr. Anderson said,

a Wonder Woman's plane hits the third building that collapses symmetrically into its own footprint. You know, you got to buy that somehow. So I think there's a lot with this. So these are the little things that I pick up on that I think these are going to be things to watch. Like they're definitely building a new narrative. They're getting the band back together.

You're starting to hear things about terrorism again. They're getting worried again, worried. You know, they're starting to, they're going to, are they going to bring back the color coding, uh, Billy Ray Valentine? Are they going to bring back, uh, you know, the, the levels that, what is it? Tom Ridge, remember Tom Ridge, 2000, uh, and three or so head of the, the, the newly formed department of Homeland security was the governor of Pennsylvania and he's got you color coded. So if you, if it's red, then you're going

to be really scared. Orange, not so much yellow. I don't know. Yellow. Maybe it's a, you got, you got to check your phone make sure that no headlines have changed where you know keep your gas mask within reach or are you uh are you color coding your fear billy ray how are they going to um to make this happen with your neural link is is more more of an important point to me right they're they're getting rid of cell phones. They've already started talking about what's the next phase? What's the next phase in wearables? How are we going to do this? Because we don't want to carry around cell phones anymore. So they'll probably beam the color right into your dreams. And when you wake up, you know where you're at as far as these attacks go or whatever

they're trying to say. Listen, this story brings up a lot of several different points that I want to make. In particular, the most important one, I just think this is part of fourth generation warfare. This is aimed to confuse psyops upon psyops upon psyops, right? I'm not saying that it is a psyop, but I don't know. And that is the point of all of this, right? It was a young lady that put it out on TikTok and that's the genius of TikTok, right? You can put out a video for 30 seconds and if it's a cute girl and it's produced the right way, people are going to watch. And they're not going to question really. They're going to go, oh my God, that's what it said. And they're going to keep moving.

They're not going to go research it. They don't care. And they don't have any prior knowledge of what came before. They really don't know the narrative of 9-11. They don't know what happened. They don't know three buildings fell. They don't know any of that. They may not know that two buildings fell. You can ask people walking the street nowadays what happened on 9-11. They don't know any of that. They may not know that two buildings fell, right? You can ask people walking the street nowadays what happened on 9-11. They might not be able to tell you if they're of a certain age, right? So they see videos like this and they take it as gospel. But also, it's important to realize that there have been psyops that have been run on the people of America and the people of the world throughout social media for quite some time now. So to put out, first off, I have a hard time believing this poll personally.

Is it out of the realm of possibility? No, it's not. I just have a hard time believing it for whatever reason. But putting that aside, let's say that this is true and that these kids believe this stuff. Gen Z, they believe this stuff. came out now in part because of what's going on in the Middle East, right? And the sentiments of most young Americans are anti the Israeli government, not necessarily anti-Israel, they're giving Biden incredible pushback to the point that he has to make some changes and try to appease these people because they're like, listen, what's going on over there? Knock it off, right? To the point that he has to make some changes and try to appease these people because they're like, listen, what's going on over there? Knock it off, right? Let's do something about this. So it's very opportunistic in my opinion. And that's why I would suspect

something like a psyop here that this video was inserted into TikTok where young people watch, they look, they consume, they don't analyze, they just consume and keep it moving. And that becomes their reality. Whatever they are told for those 30 seconds becomes their reality. There are few from that group that will actually go and investigate. 1% maybe that care enough to investigate. And that is the problem. This is the mind control. And it will continue to get worse because the people know less and less as generations continue. And this is the way we've been bred. I am no exception. I just happened to be born before the social media age. So I know a little bit more than they do. Right. But I don't know as much as Tony does on things like this. Tony is a rare breed on things like this. Guard, Charlie, Mr. Anderson, God

bless. How are you? Yeah, don't put me in there. I'm with you. Right? But I know more than most people that were born after me by default, right? But I understand how this works, right? So every generation that comes afterwards just knows less by default and is less interested by default, right? It is an attention deficit issue and a dumbing down, a deliberate dumbing down of the people. And that's what I think is going on here. And I think it's fourth generation warfare, fifth generation warfare. It is a psyop.

And we need to all be aware of this and try to instruct our kids, you know, sit them down and let them know what's going on. And if they come across this stuff, and they will inevitably come across things like this and believe it because they mean it's it's just the way it is. We have to, like, try to give them all the information, hope that they make up their own minds and have intelligent rationales behind their way, their frame of thinking. But I think that's the best we can do right now. This is very, very very very very complicated and we don't know what's real and what's not anymore well here's an open question was this inserted by intelligence as a poison pill as a virus to kill tiktok as to say oh they're radicalizing the youth hey that's the oldest like trick that the establishment uses to get rid of anybody thinking that's what they that's the excuse they use to kill socrates he said he's corrupting the youth if i may and then

i'll throw it to everybody else they they've let tiktok and instagram and and uh and other platforms like it be the wild west that youtube used to be. They've let this happen. They've been going after TikTok for how long? Because of the Chinese thing or whatever, that it's a Chinese company and all this other stuff, and they're spying on Americans. But they allow all of this stuff to go on because they want these people to know whatever's being put out. They want to colonize the minds of the young kids. That's what they want to do. Otherwise, they would have shut this down already. Eventually, they're going to. Eventually, they'll be the restrictions that they put on a YouTube, on a TikTok, and on Instagram,

and on Apple Podcasts, all of these things. That's going to happen. But right now, you could say that they're turning a blind eye but we know better than that you know if if they've shut down youtube what what's that what our free speech anyway on youtube if they if they stopped any rational not right let me say if they stop people from actually giving their thoughts whatever doesn't fit the mainstream narrative if they've stopped that on youtube why haven't they stopped it on everything else and this is a worldwide thing by the way okay what why haven't they stopped it on the other platforms um this is on purpose in my opinion and they will they will censor all of this but uh just not not yet because their goals haven't been

completed whatever those goals are yeah and you go back to something David talks about all the time. It was August 6th, 2018, the real collusion between big tech censorship, starting with InfoWars, but they followed later in the month with 800 other sites that weren't necessarily to the right or sharing much in common with InfoWars except one thing. And they were anti-surveillance state, authoritarianism, military-industrial complex. They were skeptical of the warfare state. And it was simultaneous to the proper or Not thing that came out later,

where there was propaganda or not, was this organization, I think, tied to a lot of the left-wing Soros-type money and Podesta-type people as well. Yes, and that's a common theme. So Billy was mentioning you got TikTok and it's still the wild west in so many ways do they do the same thing that they did with you they got you on these platforms then you start talking then you start freely expressing yourself then you you know you create a handle that expresses those views then they have all your data and then they just curate like tim like tim cook says right we're going to curate and we're going to curate like Tim, like Tim Cook says, right? We're going to curate.

And we're going to curate the experience. So basically they get everybody over there. This is the truth. You get on it. And then they just remove these accounts. So then they control the narrative. It's kind of like a keto, right? You use the other person's momentum against themselves.

Very counterintuitive. Plus they, you know, they can allow these things to be said, and they go, oh, that was radical. You realize they radicalized the youth. So I'm thinking bigger picture. When I see headlines like this, this is where my brain goes. This is a message. I'm going to do another sweep around this very esteemed panel.

By the way, thanks again, guys, for joining me. Short notice. And thanks to David Knight and David Knight family and the crew and trusting me with this show since 2019. It's a huge, huge honor. I think about all that David does for the truth and for liberty and, you know, fighting back against, I mean, just the forces of darkness, folks. We're living through the true expression of the Chinese curse. May you live in interesting times.

We certainly are there. And I'm honored to be a part of this program when I am needed. And I usually come on Thursdays and talk a little bit of gold and silver and Bitcoin and the apocalypse with the great David Knight himself. But I haven't even plugged before we go around again, thedavidknightshow.com folks, share those links, get people involved, sign up for the newsletter, support David. There's ways that you can support him. You can go to Rumble and sign up for a membership recurring, you can do direct cash app. You know, all of that is, is, is, is available. You can send them a check.

And I say that because David doesn't plug enough for himself. He's just not that kind of guy. I understand because I'll go, obviously I'll even go in my own show without plugging and to my own detriment, but please do that. And I've also set up a website for David to give him credit for any precious metals. You know, davidknight.gold. If you go to davidknight.gold, you'd get in touch with me. That's Wise Wolf Gold and Silver.

We've got the membership program at Wolfpack. It's an easy way to set it and forget it and stack gold and silver. You want to, all the stories that I didn't get to today, like Walmart starting to sell gold. Costco did $100 million in gold bars, ran out. I don't run out, by the way. I can supply you. You're going to go to Wise Wolf. I'm not going to run out like Costco.

Plus, I can lock your price in. You can get out of this fiat currency system. D-dollarization is real. All these things are coming. We're in a fourth turning, so it's great that we have David at the helm, uh, guiding us through this, uh, these perilous times. So, uh, thanks everybody for joining and supporting the show. That'll be the last plug for today. If I did plugged at all, um, Mr. Anderson, any thoughts on, on the discussion? I definitely wanted to, uh, see if you had any more in that brain of yours. Not much. I'm scraping the barrel right now.

No, I agreed with your points, Tony. And I just can't keep coming back to this idea of why do they care so much to be more than indifferent to this topic? And I imagine they don't have all the information or a lot of the information we have, which is an assumption of mine, but my mind goes off and says, I doubt they know about the Belford Declaration that was issued in 1917, which was a public statement regarding the establishment of a national home for the Jewish people in Palestine then, which was an Ottoman region, which had a Jewish minority. And I bet they don't know that that was issued to lord rothschild right lord rothschild who went to cambridge at the same time what you know it as alistair crowley then alistair

crowley is the topic of a very interesting book by william ranzi and how he relates to 9 11 in the new world order so it just all comes full circle to me. So I think in general, you're right. It just seems like a psyop. Like if I can give you minimum information, can I still change your opinions in such a severe way that you'd take this position, even though you don't have the full information. So. I like bringing the Balfour Declaration in. We're getting serious on our history here, Mr. Anderson. You can find Mr. Anderson as a co-host on Twitter. I had to do a plug for William Ramsey. He's deserving of one. If I'd have hosted two days, I'd have had him on. I'd talk to him about coming. Next time, I will bring

William Ramsey on, folks. I just didn't have enough notice for him. Great points, though, and some good history. It's the history you don't know. There's nothing new under the sun, except the history you don't know to, to channel the 33rd president of the United States, Harry Truman. Charlie, any, any, any final thoughts on, on this topic? And maybe we'll do a little round Robin here to, to round out the show. I'm still hung up on the fact that you are the Ron Popeil of gold and silver, the set it and forget it. Just waiting for your pocket fisherman.

I'm the ShamWow guy, just for the record. I'm the ShamWow of precious metals. This brings me back to Yuri Bezmenov, of course, in this concept of ideological subversion and how it's a process and how it takes 20 years and it's cumulative. And you wonder about all of this stuff, how this next generation is being educated or miseducated or diseducated, however you want to look at it. And this is all

kind of part of it, the new tech version of this. And it makes me think like this is the softening up of the minds of an entire generation, TikTok generation now. And if you give it 20 years and then another five years of destruction, and then you add a six week crisis. You break the brains of these people and you send them off into what he describes as the fourth stage normalization. and all those things too. But from like a guy with a clipboard and a white lab coat, me just kind of watching this going, oh, I see where you guys are going with, oh, this is, we're still in the ideological subversion of this group. Great, okay, great.

Get them to believe nonsense. And okay, yeah. And then, and like you said, it'll just kind of disappear, right? We don't know the criteria necessarily. You mentioned a thousand people. That's nothing. So you've got TikTok, right? Can't you reach like a million people? Can we do this with a thousand people. That'll be, that's nothing. So you've got TikTok,

right? You can't, you reach like a million people. Can we do this with a million people? Do a million people think this? So it's, it feels artificial. Like it's made to have, it feels like they're testing to see what, I mean, obviously we know it got into the news cycle. If it got into the news cycle by default, there's something wrong with it. So it feels very, very made to happen. Let's see what the results are to this, but also Tony, to your point, what a, what a perfect cul-de-sac to put some cheese at the end of, lure a bunch of people in, and then write down their license plates. You know what I mean? Like who went for the cheese? All these, okay, good.

Let's make a note of these. Let's keep an eye on these people in the future. So it's sorting. You know, you feel like a sorting process of this and you feel intelligence ties to it as well. Like Billy said, they want TikTok to go away. They turn the switch. It's a different version of it, but it's serving a purpose right now. It's giving them a lot of information as to who's using it and what their demographic is and how do they think and what are they like? And they're building a digital voodoo of all these people on TikTok and elsewhere, of course, not limited to TikTok. And they're figuring out, you know, your digital twin. What do you like? What are you into? What do you follow? Who are you? Should we be worried about you? Are you the type of person that's going to write? Are

you the type of person that's going to have a problem with the surveillance state. So it's a good mechanism for them to, before they turn the switch and make sure that you don't ever see anything of relevancy on TikTok. It's a good way in the early stages of gathering information about who is actually consuming this information and then putting them in some sort of matrix where they can be followed for the next generation to see what they think, see how they think and what they're into. So I don't, you know, I think as we all agree, it's multi-layered here. There's a lot going on. And to me, it feels like some sort of ideological trap that maybe some of these people are walking into that they're going to get themselves on

some list that they didn't even know existed so uh we'll keep an eye on it we'll see where it goes in the new year do you see the the trend continuing where we're we're going to be looking at uh future years having to deal with this state-constructed narrative of what terrorism is? Do you think they're going to bring this back? Yeah, it feels like, I mean, we're already starting to see the labeling of the largest threat to America is white national domestic terrorism, right? And so that terrorism catch-all term has been very successful for a long, long time. But now, unfortunately, it's now taking on more of a legal definition. Now, if you're legally defined as being a terrorist, you are now a terrorist

operating on the homeland and the homeland is a battlefield and now you have no rights. So again, it's all fun in games when you're slurring and calling Trump a terrorist or calling your neighbor a terrorist or whatever. But there's also a legal component to this as well. And you get that domestic terrorist label slapped on you legally, you have no rights anymore. Good luck. You're, you know, you disappear. So I think that this is a, this is a term, this terrorism, it's so broad that it can be applied to all kinds of things. It's the perfect sort of apparatus for the state to use, to go after people that can just mold it like silly putty to whatever they want it to fit. They want it to fit you. It'll fit. It'll fit describing you as long as we just go back through your TikTok viewing history and your Facebook posts and your Twitter feed. And we find out we build a case retroactively,

like Snowden talked about, to see what you were talking about in the past. And then that bolsters the case that they're making that you are now legally a domestic terrorist. Of course you are. Look at all these things that you said about the government back in 2019. Amazing. Folks, you're watching someone who's very much mastered their craft. This is Charlie Robinson. I have the pleasure of talking to this gentleman often. He's got a great show called Macroaggressions, and I love that breakdown. What do you call five conspiracy theorists who get together on a live panel? What is that, the news? Is that what the news is? A target? Thanks so much for that analysis, Charlie. Very smart, as always. Gard, final thoughts on this as we careen into the last hour of the last show of the David Knight show of 2023.

Yeah. And it's so great to be here all with you guys. And I think what we would call it is non-existent in the eyes of the CIA. So let's just keep that in mind. We just don't exist. But or maybe we all are. But if I may, may I pose a question to you all to see? Because I've been sort of, you know, I've been ruminating on this, letting the fruit stew in my head, within the larger narrative book, to turn to a new chapter in the narrative of switching things over to labeling everyone an anti-Semite. Now you are suddenly affected by the bin Laden document. this large percentage of gen zers suddenly are praising a hero of bin laden well you don't have to call him a hero you just say what did his argument actually contain

any valid points what what did what did you discover that very terminology itself is is pretty darn weighted but then we see with what happened on October 7th. And did the Israelis know about it? Well, they did have foreknowledge. Did they know about the date? We don't know. And this is just pure speculation. I could be way off base here.

But I do get a sense now, just talking with you all, what if this were used to now, they're no longer, we're not hearing about Black Lives Matter as much. We're not hearing about this. We're not hearing about that. We've got this swing towards, especially with the immigration thing, towards this now international white nationalist United States, and you don't like Israel either, you're anti-Smitic sort of thing and you read the bin laden document so therefore we're gonna have to watch out for you it's the new war on terror and now it's iran i i just don't know and i'm just throwing out out there because i'm i'm just thinking of my you know i'm thinking of myself obviously thinking um is that is that

within the realm of possibility or am I just speculating too much? Well, it's very, it's a very powerful weapon. Uh, if you go back to, uh, the Gulf war, uh, Pat Buchanan was on the McLaughlin group and he just happened to mention the fact that, you know, the, if we go to war in the Gulf, it's not going to be, you know, the coastal elites kids, it's going to be people from the heartland. And, uh, I think he said it not going to be you know the coastal elites kids it's going to be people from the heartland and uh i think he said it was going to be guys named leroy brown and stuff like it's not going to be uh you know some coastal elites kid and and he said the only people that really want this war the military industrial complex and their amen corner and apac which is the american israeli political action committee or whatever they are um He was vilified for that. That seems

quaint now, but that was the original like, oh, you're just anti-Semitic. It's like a blanket term. They use that all the time now. It's ad nauseum. I think you talk about real blowback. The blowback is they've used that term and they're using it into oblivion. It no longer has really any relevance anymore. It's not even about the true meaning of what's supposed to be anti-Semitic. So I think, I think you're right though, Gard. I mean, it, it definitely gives them a short-term strategy to any, any movement that's anti-war or anti-state or anti-narrative, they can delegitimize that by calling it anti-Semitic

and lumping it into one thing. And this kind of gets them an early start. And they may have run this simulation with the Pentagon. Again, this hasn't been more than two or three years where the Pentagon was concerned and running a war game against a Gen Z Bitcoin revolt and Gen Z,

you know, unplugging, uh, speaking of unplugging, let's still just, I don't want to, to not hear what Billy has to say as we, as we close out the last hour,

the last show of the last of the 2023, Billy Ray, your thoughts, uh, big picture, the PSYOP, and you've pretty much given them. You got anything that you want to discuss related to this before we close, Michael? You got to turn your mic on, bud.

I'm on. Can you hear me? There you go. All right. No, pretty much this is what it is. This is what it is, and this is what people need to really take seriously. There are only two real conspiracies that I can think of. Everything else is utter nonsense, right? And I mean it. It is utter nonsense. It might be surrounded by truth, but most of it is nonsense.

But the mind control is real. That is real. And they're doing it through the social media. And there's no mistake. I do think, I forget who mentioned it on the panel, but I do think this is going to go away as this bin Laden story itself. I think it'll play its its part and and run and and go away largely but it does play into a larger um a larger arena where younger people are changing the way they think and uh the the culture creators the people who wage a fifth generation warfare on us right they're very aware of how to manipulate those minds and how to colonize those minds through social media. That is mind control. If people think of mind control as sitting on a chair and having a pendulum swim back and forth in front of their eyes or being taken into some site, and then they do a Kanye West on you.

No, no. Mind control comes straight out of your computer. It comes straight out of your cell phone, straight out of your television. That is mind control. And this is what's going on here. Admittedly, it can be proven. And this is what we need to look forward to. And this is what we need to turn our attention to and and and zero in on if we're going to make any headway because it's going to it's going to become it's already dark. It's going to become even darker, harder and harder to navigate out a memo to see which which PSYOP was real or not, which is probably a PSYOP too. I do. Right. At this point, it's like, what is real? And why are they doing it? what turned me on to it is going back to the to the 2016 election how many fake profiles were were were created in order to on twitter you know and on facebook in order to to uh mold perception and get people to cast their ballots in a particular way you know and and that hasn't changed in my opinion you know i'm well it's not it hasn't changed in my opinion. Well, it hasn't changed. It's only

going to get worse is what I mean. So that's what we need to look forward to in 2024, more of that. And we can't let ourselves be suckered in by it, even though it is incredibly difficult to not be engaged by it and not be brought in by it because they pull on your emotions. And when they pull on your emotions and when they pull on your emotions they've got you because your emotions are fully involved in it and and that's it they've totally got you so it's very difficult to disengage but that's it it's tony here what's he got he abandoned his post there he is i had to let my crew in uh wise wolf is about to open here in branson so my crew was needing to get let in. I agree with you on setting the stage to colonize them.

That's what really grabbed me. And you and I, Billy, I think it was last year at this time, we were on the David Knight show. And we were talking about that famous, infamous, really, it was that commercial that was put out by the army psychological operations unit and i think even you use some of that in the freeworld.fm site where it has a little ghost the ghost in the machine right uh it's like we can we create the reality and that that's that's so important for people to realize like you know think thinking for yourself it's something that uh the late great bill cooper said you said over and over, do your own research. You have to go deeper. You have to think and step back and look at the big

picture and ask yourself, is my mind colonized? I'm sure it is on many levels. That's why it's so important to have alternative media. And then the crew right here, look at this panel that I'm on right now. It's just an absolute honor. Great researchers, great thinkers. Not a grifter one here. No, this is an anti-grifting zone. I was thinking with it being the close of the year, we should end on something positive, motivational. So I was going to run this one by you.

I don't know if you've heard it, but it's something like shoot for the moon, because even if you miss, you'll just puncture the projection screen because the earth is flat. Oh, just for a minute, just for one, just for a split second, actually, I thought you were really going to do a water cooler poster in a corporate hellhole. I thought you were really going to do that, Mr. Anderson. All right.

I've got to do really quick, folks, just guys on the panel. Tell people where they can find you. Mr. Anderson doesn't want to be found. You can find him on Paratrooper. Charlie, go ahead. Tell people where they can find you. The new website is up and running, macroaggressions.io. You can go there. You can find all of the information about my show. Flashback Friday episode today that went out

is where did all the people go? Ooh, that was the number one downloaded macroaggressions episode of all time. That's a good rabbit hole if people are interested in doing that. You can follow me on Twitter at Macroaggressions. Thanks, Tony. Love it. Gard, go ahead. Well, first off, big thanks. I noticed a bunch of people in the Rockfin chat. I haven't been able to check out Rumble chat, but thanks for all the contributions for the show today. And Tony, thanks for letting me join you on this last show of the year. And it's great to be here with all you guys. Folks want to find me Liberty conspiracy on rumble and rock fan every night, six o'clock Eastern and check us out. We're on for about 90 minutes.

I do my work also for MRC TV, a couple, a couple of videos and three articles a week, go to mrctv.org or check out their Rumble, check out their YouTube. And then Gardner Goldsmith Substack, one of the big deals maybe people might like is every Sunday we have the Sunday News Assembly, and there's at least 20 stories that pertain to liberty, plus a bunch of contextual information that might allow us to take away some longer-term learning about freedom, economics, ethics, stuff like that.

So that's over at Stubstack and it's Gardner, G-A-R-D-N-E-R. So yeah, just visit, say hi, say nigh, whatever you want to say. I'd love to see it. And I really, really am so glad to be here with you, Tony, and all you fine cats as they shuffle us off to prison very soon. I want to be in the same FEMA camp. Yeah. It'll be interesting. Billy Ray, closing thoughts, where they can find you, all that good stuff.

You got about 30 seconds. The Infinite Fringe on Apple Podcast. Find me there. Well, that's very... And he's the host of America Unplugged, folks. So you got to find him on Rockfin, R-O-K-F-I-N.com, America Unplugged channel, The Infinite Fringe Podcast. We're going to be putting together a UFO podcast here pretty soon.

Mr. Anderson will join that. We'll see if we can find some others to join that discussion. That'll be fun. That's Paratruther. You can find me at Arterburn.news and, of course, WiseWolfGoldandSilver.com. But use DavidKnight.gold. Give David the credit. We certainly want to support this magnificent program.

David will be back. All new new shows, whole new year. So I want to wish everyone a happy new year. It has been, wow. I mean, I'd look back 2023, all the shows that I've done over here on the David Knight show, my own productions and just trying to make sense out of all of this has been an extraordinary task. And then luckily I've got, look at the people I can call upon. I'm a very fortunate individual. If I want to find out what's going on, I'm going to play the outro music here.

And I am, again, honored to be here. It's such a great experience. I'll be back maybe next Thursday. See you all about a bully on Bitcoin. The apocalypse. We'll talk that with the great David Knight. All right. Happy new year,

folks. Appreciate you. End of transmission.