The David Knight Show - 5Jul24 Best of — Raw Milk, Newsom Nightmare, SSRI's, Daring Faith in a Cowardly World

Episode Date: July 5, 2024

John Cox  - "The Newsom Nightmare" Whether or not Newsom runs for President in 2024 or later, his policies have a massive influence in all of America. And, power has become too concentrated in Congress. But how do we take it back when they won't give it back? John Cox, author, attorney, CPA and former candidate for CA Governor joins to talk about his book, "The Newsom Nightmare" that covers both Newsom and Cox's movement HearThePeople.org, to take back power from the grassroots up (55:00) Ken Harrison - "A Daring Faith in a Cowardly World" At a time when men need brotherhood and a purpose more than ever, the message of local community of men to take responsibility for themselves and others is desperately needed. But many churches who would agree are afraid of the politically correct perception and have actually cancelled this Christian ministry. Ken Harrison, CEO of PromiseKeepers and author of "A Daring Faith in a Cowardly World: Live Life Without Waste, Regret, or Anything Unfinished" (1:52:00) Liz James - Raw Milk: How and Why BigAgra Came After It the First Time First BigAgra came for raw milk teaming up with FDA. Now the intention is to stop ALL dairy & meat for "climate". Liz James lays out the history and the health benefits of raw milk and gives an update for BlessByHisBlood.com a cooperative to help people take charge of their blood transfusions to avoid mRNA and other health risks NOT being screened by corporate blood providers. Raw milk begins about 10 minutes into interview (2:46:00) Kim Witczak Self-described "accidental activist", Kim Witczak, WoodyMatters.com, became active when her husband committed suicide under the influence of an SSRI drug.  Since the tragedy, she's seen from the inside what happens with the approval process, serving as a current Consumer Representative on an FDA Drug Advisory Committee, and successfully fighting for "Black Box" labeling for SSRI's. Yet, mainstream media black out makes it hard for consumers to understand the dangers.Find out more about the show and where you can watch it at TheDavidKnightShow.comIf you would like to support the show and our family please consider subscribing monthly here: SubscribeStar https://www.subscribestar.com/the-david-knight-showOr you can send a donation throughMail: David Knight POB 994 Kodak, TN 37764Zelle: @[e-mail] App at: $davidknightshowBTC to: bc1qkuec29hkuye4xse9unh7nptvu3y9qmv24vanh7Money should have intrinsic value AND transactional privacy: Go to DavidKnight.gold for great deals on physical gold/silverFor 10% off Gerald Celente's prescient Trends Journal, go to TrendsJournal.com and enter the code KNIGHTBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-david-knight-show--2653468/support.

Happiness. We all know what it feels like, but sometimes it doesn't come easy. I'm Garvey Bailey, the host of Happy Enough, a new podcast from The Globe and Mail about our pursuit of happiness. We know people want to live more fulfilling and positive lives, but how do we actually do that? Is there a happiness code to crack? From our relationship with technology to whether money can really buy you happiness, we'll hear from both real people and experts to demystify this thing we're all searching for and hopefully find ways to be happy enough. You can find Happy Enough wherever you listen to podcasts. Well, joining us now is John Cox.

As I said, he is a CPA. He's an attorney, and he has been a candidate for California governor. And he's written a book about Gavin Newsom, Newsom's Nightmare. And so it's good to have you on, John. I'm so sorry that you live in California. Thank you. Thank you. Well, you know, the weather's pretty darn good, David.

That's why I stay out there, and that's why there's a whole bunch of great companies that are out there, despite Gavin Newsom. And that's, I think, the message of the book. The book is called, by the way, The Newsom. And that's, I think, the message of the book. The book is called, by the way, The Newsom Nightmare. So it's available on Amazon and any place good books are sold. And I hope people get a chance to read it because I think Mr. Newsom is going to make a play to be the president of the United States. If not in 24, it'll be 28.

I agree. People ought to know about his record. People ought to know about his record. They ought to know about his background. They ought to know about what he will do to the country or how he will lead the country. And I think that's very germane. I agree. And, of course, we all know that even if he doesn't run for president and even if he doesn't get elected president or whatever, what he does there as governor of California has a tremendous impact across the country.

And we'll talk about that in a moment. Let's talk a little bit about his possible presidency this year, for example. You know, Biden is 81, and he's not a young 81 either. He's been on the full effect of all those years. He'll be 86 by the end of the term. And so, you know, people are looking at this. I look at even his running mate, Lala Harris, I call her, but because she's kind of in Lala land, but she's, you know, I look at this, they might replace her. They might replace both of them. And, you know, Trump is also getting pretty old. He's 77. He'll be 81 by the end of this next term. So he would end up the same age as Biden, but he seems to be physically in better shape. And so there's a lot when you look at this and if they get rid of Biden and a lot of people in the Democrat Party are really pushing for that, the likely candidates, I think,

to replace Biden would be either Michelle Obama or Gavin Newsom. But Gavin Newsom is in office and he is having an effect as he is. You know, the things that he's doing right now are having an effect right now on everybody across the country. How did you think he did in terms of the debate that he had on on with Hannity and DeSantis on Fox News? I think he did what he wanted to do, and that is he wanted to introduce himself more to the nation, to a different audience, frankly. I mean, he's been on MSNBC and CNN quite a bit, so he doesn't need to introduce himself to those audiences. The Fox audience, obviously, are different people that don't normally see what he's doing.

They see a lot of the criticisms. But, you know, Newsom came off glib, came off well-spoken. He came off citing a whole bunch of statistics that sound great. Gee, it's no revelation that a lot of great companies have started in California. Salesforce, Apple, Google, all these great trillion-dollar-plus companies base themselves in California. And who wouldn't, you know, I live in California because I just love the weather and the ocean and the natural beauty. And if, you know,

if you're a smart guy with a great business idea, sure, you're going to want to start your business where you can live the best life you can. And that's the place where the best weather, but they quickly, they quickly discover, however, that the government that Newsom leads is nothing short of spectacularly involved in your life. They want to tax you to death. And so a whole bunch of those companies have decided to ultimately leave, like Tesla. But Nestle, Toyota, you know, I can name a whole bunch of companies and people that have left. They've moved to Tennessee or Florida or Texas where there's obviously zero tax and where regulation is not going to strangle their future.

And, you know, they may still keep their homes, by the way, in California. I'm sure I'm certain that most of them do. But the government of California does its best to chase productive people out of the state or productive businesses and also make it very, very difficult for the rest of the people. If you're not in the top 1% in California, you're living a very difficult life. The cost of living, shortages of energy, water, housing, homelessness all over the place, wildfires, crime, regulations. That's what I think of when I look at the home issue, right? And the homelessness, but even the fact that people can't afford to buy a home. is absolutely amazing. The pictures of people that you see living out of RVs and just lining the road for as far as you can see living out of their RVs and then the homeless people who don't even have an RV. And all of that is really a function

of when you've got a state that is as prosperous as that and you see that kind of abject poverty contrasted with amazing amounts of wealth. That happens because of government policies and because the government is doing that. That's not a natural situation. I'm in the housing industry, David. That's my business. I build and manage apartments.

I don't own anything in California. Right now I'm building about 1,200 units outside of Indianapolis. Indiana is a great example of a state that treats business well, that isn't owned by trial lawyers, that doesn't have huge deficits or pension deficits. And I can build wonderful apartments in Indiana for under $200,000 a unit, just gorgeous, granite countertops, beautiful appliances. Those same units in California, David, would be $500,000, $600,000 in most of the state. And, you know, that's a very big difference in terms of your lifestyle and what you're able to afford and how competitive you are in the rest of the country it's just so sad and it's mostly as you said government that drives

up that cost difference and yeah you know lumber and windows don't cost a whole lot more in indiana than they do in california it's the other things yeah and it's stuff like fuel right uh fuel is more expensive in california than it is in other places they got their own special it's stuff like fuel, right? Fuel is more expensive in California than it is in other places. They got their own special. It's like having your own special wood or something, right? They have to have bespoke gasoline. So they've got some refineries that only produce the special blend that California demands. And so between that and the really high taxes, as I've reported on the prices of gasoline going up up and everything California is way ahead of even the number two and so it's even more than the taxes it's also the regulations that he has on the formulation of the of the fuel there this this gets to the essence of Gavin Newsom and that is he appeals to people on a on a gut level on some very high emotional issues like abortion, guns, and climate change. It's part of this whole thing to scare the bejesus out of people. You know, the gasoline formulation that California uses, David, makes the tiniest little bit of difference in the total pollution of the world. I mean, it is a fraction of a fraction of a fraction.

India and China are spewing carbon into the atmosphere like nobody's business these days. And the tiny little difference that California makes is ridiculously small. Yet, this is what drives Gavin Newsom. And this is what the media loves. The media loves to herald this stuff. And why? Because it gets clicks and it gets eyeballs. And this is the essence of Gavin

Newsom's entire political agenda. And that is focus on these emotional scare tactics and highly emotional, social and other issues. Ignore the stuff that truly makes a difference in people's lives, like energy, water, housing, safety, cleanliness, homelessness, all these things that really have an effect on people's lives. And he's able to roll to electoral victories, because so many people just pay attention to these highly emotional issues and they don't think that you can do anything about these other bread and butter meat and potatoes issues and that's what i talk about in my book and uh what i'm also proposing in my book david is a way to get the electorate to finally pay attention to these things and get involved in the process so

that they they really pay attention to who they're voting for and why they're voting for these candidates it is so hard to get people to focus though on their policy right and on their records and i beat my head against the wall trying to get republicans to do the same thing it's like okay yes you hate this policy you hated the lockdown but you're supporting the guy that did the lockdown. What is going on with all this? And, of course, with Gavin Newsom, he's very telegenic. He looks like he came out of a central casting there in Hollywood, and he and his wife.

And yet, when you start looking at what he did, it's like, whoa. I was so disappointed to see in California the people voted him in again, even with everything that had happened there. And yet it's not surprising because the Republicans are doing the same thing. They don't want to hold anybody accountable for anything that happened the last three years or even before that. And why is that, David? The reason is, is that most voters don't watch your podcast. They don't get any kind of a glimpse of the detailed issues that they ought to be focused on. All they get fed is a diet,

a steady diet of 20 or 30 second ads or memes on social media. They never have a chance to have a conversation like you and I are having right now. They just sit there and they mindlessly look at their phones and they see something and they say, oh you and I are having right now. They just sit there and they mindlessly look at their phones and they see something and they say, oh, gee, I don't like that. And they vote for a guy based upon what his opponent says. They don't get a chance to actually discuss issues. So what I'm proposing in my book, and this is really important, David, is a revolution in how we elect our elected leaders. I'm proposing that we change,

that we tweak our election processes with regard to Congress, especially, to get people more involved in getting to the essence of a lot of these issues, where it's more than just a 30-second TV ad, and it's more than just a meme. It's an actual conversation that every voter can have with their representative, which they don't get a chance to now. Yeah, that's the key thing, because you lay out the problems, but, you know, unlike, we've got to get past the point of just laying out problems. We've got to have some solutions because things are changing very quickly. So that's one of the reasons I wanted to talk to you about that.

You've got an organization, hearthepeople.org. Tell us your vision for how that would change the electoral process. The essence of this is the people's house, David, the Congress. It was intended by our founders to be the people's house. But because they limited the number to 435 about a century ago, the average congressional district is 750,000 people now. It's just impossible for people to actually know their congressmen. And they don't.

They only see them on TV. That's right so yeah let me just interject even 30 35 years or so ago when i ran uh for congress it was about a half a million and now it's gone to 750 or half a half a million now it's gone to 750 000 and and so you're getting less and less uh you know representation as you will. Sorry. Yes. And so the idea is very simple, David. Place that big district into 100 little tiny districts. Yes.

So that each district's only 7,500 people. You're not going to use television to reach those 7,500 people. You're not going to use social media. You're not going to blast radio ads to all of them. What you're going to be forced to do is actually go and have a conversation because 7,500 people is only about 3,000 households. And you can have a conversation with a couple thousand people. You just have to spend a few weekends doing it but you can actually get to know your constituents and more importantly your constituents can know who you are and they can know what your background is and they can know that you have the

character and the confidence and the leadership ability to actually do something now as a practical effect what ends up happening is that these hundred people who are elected in these little tiny districts, they get together at a meeting and they select one person to go to Washington. The other 99 stay home and they don't have an office. They don't have a pension. They don't have a staff. Their entire job is to get together every two years and decide on the guy to go to Washington. And then they monitor what that guy does in Washington. But you know what that guy in Washington is not going to do, David? He's not going to spend six hours of every day on the telephone begging for money.

That's right. That's right. gonna he's gonna study the issues he's gonna communicate with his constituents he's gonna communicate with the 99 people back home who sent him there because he's got to get re-elected and those 99 hold the keys to that right that? So he's going to keep them informed, and each of those are going to, in turn, keep their own constituents informed. What this does, David, is it really puts the people back in charge of the people's house. And I think it would change politics up and down the political spectrum

because people then would feel like their voice would be heard and their elected leaders would actually respond to their voice and would have an interest in doing that and it wouldn't be in through the media yeah i think the media the media has gotten way too much power in this country i hope you agree with that even though you're a member oh yeah no i don't consider myself to be a media a member of the media, and they don't consider me either to be that. And what you're saying is so true. And I remember in the early 90s, we talked about the New Hampshire state legislature, and it had... Yes, that's where I got this idea. That's where

I got this idea. And in the early 90s, I don't know what it is right now, but they said if you spent more than $1,000 running for office, they'd accuse you of trying to buy the election. And yet at that time, you know, it was routine for people to spend over $100,000 running for Congress at that time. And that's the problem, is that we've allowed this, if you look at the Constitution, it said, well, we're going to have like 30,000 people, one representative for every 30,000 people, we're not going to go past 50. And then they just, they didn't even go with that at the very beginning.

They just kind of threw that away. And then they fixed it and said, we don't care how rapidly the population grows. And we don't care about any of this, except we're going to have this fixed number of representatives. And I think you're exactly right. That's the one of the ways that we actually get a representative government is to increase the number of people and when we would talk about this 30 years ago people say well it's just not practical to do it and it's like no you could do it today and you could certainly do it today now that you've got the zoom technology and all the rest of the stuff that everybody had to live by over the last three years it's not even a question as to whether or

not that'd be a viable way to do it and you'd have the people living in their district instead of maybe traveling to washington you know they could still do their work by telecommuting or something like that but you're so right the the internet actually multiplies the opportunity for this because let's say i'm the representative of my own little tiny district of 7 500 people it's a few thousand households well you know once I've met every one of those people, they know me, they trust me. I'll be able to send them emails. I'll be able to ask them questions. They'll be able to ask me questions. If any of them is a crackpot

and ask me wild, idiotic questions, I can certainly put them in the background, but I'll be able to focus on the people of my district who have real concerns. And I'll be able to then communicate those concerns to the guy that we sent to Washington. And that guy that we send to Washington, he's going to listen to me because I'm one of the 99 who sent him there. And it won't be, it won't be because I gave him a whole bunch of money, right? Like a union boss or a big corporation or something like that. He'll listen to me because he knows I'm one of those 99 and I can unelect him as much as I can elect him.

And that's really accountable, responsive government, which is what we ought. And it's Republican. It's a small R, government remember our our our we're not a democracy we're a republican we're a representative republican democracy which means that we vote for people to represent us that's right but that only works that only works david if those people are actually responsive to us if they're only responsible to the people that give them money for their campaigns which we know they are that's right we've we've lost our representative republic we really have

and and i mean my goal here is to get it back yeah it's interesting you know when we look at what has happened in government it is so rapidly distanced itself from us and i think about you know we're just watching some old movies uh for christmas and and you have these situations where you got you know the cop on the beat and he would walk the beat and he knew everybody you know he knew the grocer yes this person and he's people on the street he knew them and so you know he and if you see somebody that he doesn't know he's kind of keeping an eye on this who's this guy you know that type of thing but we've lost that personal touch with everything but nowhere more so than with the congressional representatives. We don't know these guys.

They don't know us. And that's why it is so amazing when you see the details of these people's lives that are running for office that you don't know these people at all. They're so distant from you. And what do they focus on? Each of these people that runs for office, what they focus on is getting on television, getting famous. I mean, look at in California right now. I'm supporting him because I want to support a Republican. But, you know, Steve Garvey, a former baseball player, is running for the U.S. Senate.

God love him. He'll be a million times better than Adam Schiff or Barbara Lee or Katie Porter, okay? But why is he running? Why is he the main candidate on the Republican side? Well, because he was in baseball for 30 years or 25 years. He got name recognition being in baseball, and so that all of a sudden makes him a great candidate for the Senate. Yeah.

I'm sorry. He's a celebrity. Probably a celebrity. Yeah. And you know what? We need people who are true leaders. You know, look at Gavin Newsom and, frankly, Donald Trump are the same kind of person. They really manipulate the media.

Why do we know Donald Trump so much? Because he's been in the media for 40 years. And, you know, Gavin Newsom grew up with the media, you know, his family goes back to governors in California and being part of that whole media thing. So, but do they really have the leadership qualities that we look to, to be real leaders and real truth tellers and real competent character-filled leaders. I'm sorry. We need good leaders. We need people of good character. We need people who can empathize and communicate with us

and give us the background of why these policies are important. Not just saying close the border, but tell us why that's important. Tell us how we're going to do that. Tell us the benefits and the burdens of doing all these things. We don't get those kinds of discussions, David. We just get some soundbite somewhere. And I think that's really, really damaged our democracy and damaged our country. And I think it's one of the reasons why, you know, when you look at Iowa and New Hampshire,

they don't necessarily have great track records in terms of picking who's going to go on to win even the nomination. But in those environments, you have a situation where they go into a pizza ranch and they talk to people one on one. Yes. Or they have, you know, even the caucuses or the voters interacting with each other or in New Hampshire. You know, again, it's that that that retail touch that you can have. And that's just not doesn't happen anywhere else everywhere else it becomes about the advertising budget i know when i ran the first question that anybody in the media would ask me was uh what's your budget how much money yeah exactly how much money have you raised i'm not interested because

you're not going to be running ads on my uh tv show you know so i'm not interested in you anymore i can get the money somewhere else. But, you know, that's what it's all about the money. And it's about the fundraising with the exception of those two places. But we can see that you've got to have that personal touch and people have to know you. But, you know, when you've got a celebrity like Steve Garvey or you got somebody like Donald Trump, because I've watched them for years on a program. And even if it's not a reality program, even if it's not a reality program even if it's not sports even if it is

like some scripted uh tv show they think they know that person and they think they know them exactly you see when the person dies everybody's like oh i'm in mourning for this guy that was in friends or whatever you know and it's like you don't know anything about him you know but they they get as upset about that as they do over their friends uh dying or something because they do think that they're friends with these people on tv and that's very true with gavin newsom people think that they know this guy they really don't uh they don't know anything about his background you know his grandfather helped pat brown get elected governor his father helped jerry brown get elected governor they have fed at the trough of state politics for 40 years the newsome family goes back oh gosh actually more than 60 years

at the power table of feeding off of government in california squaw valley which is now called the palisades big ski area used to be owned by the Newsom family. And why? Because they leveraged their political connections. Newsom's father, Gavin Newsom's father, was the lawyer for J. Paul Getty, the first billionaire. And he opened doors and he maneuvered the legal system to help the Getty family get, you know, and keep their money. So, you know, there's so many connections here, but people don't know that they just think that Gavin Newsom's this good looking guy with great teeth and great hair. And he spouts statistics that sound good. Yeah. I mean, if you look, if you look through those

statistics, by the way, I mean, I think he said a whopper during the DeSantis debate. He said somehow California's middle class pays lower taxes than Florida, which, you know, I heard this and I say, what planet is he on? I mean, this is property taxes. They've got to be the same. You know, I know Florida's property taxes are a little bit higher because they don't have an income tax, but they don't have an income tax. And I don't think that even their property taxes are as high as California. I may be wrong. Well, no, not when you look at the cost of housing in California.

I mean, our tax rate is only 1%, but the average house here costs $2 million versus $1 million in Florida or Texas. So, I mean, that means your taxes are still 1% of $2 million, which is $20,000. In Texas, it might be 2% of $1 million, which is still $20,000. So, you're not going to be paying much of a different tax bill, but that's kind of lost on Gavin Newsomom i guess you know he doesn't expect people to look beyond the the headlines there well certainly he can get away with it and again it's because you know the he's he's been trained and he's he's slick now uh did you run for governor are you going to run for yes you did no i did i i ran the the seat was open in 2018 after Jerry Brown left. And I figured people were going to be sick of Democratic policies.

And so I jumped into the race. I had an idea about remaking the California legislature in the same way that I'm talking about the Congress here. And unfortunately, people just didn't pay attention. And, you know, the media and Newsomom raised millions tens of millions of dollars from the unions from hollywood from silicon valley and you know the people that feed at the trough and he buried me but uh i'm staying involved and i think this is the right thing uh well that's really good absolutely and i've mentioned this many times over the years that is the path and when you talk about about doing that in California, it needs just like three or four million or something like that. And there was real representation because people really did know other people.

And that's the key thing. If it gets really big, as you pointed out, it's just going to be the people with lots of money and organizations that are going to manipulate them. That's who they're going to answer to. They don't know us. They don't share our concerns. They don't live in our area. And as I've said many times, even if you were to go back and say, we're going to manipulate them that's who they're going to answer to they don't know us they don't share our concerns they don't live in our area and as i've said many times you know even if you were to go back and say we're going to limit it to 50 000 people you know you'd wind up with like 8 000 congressional representatives and yeah and that's something that's unwieldy yeah yeah yeah yeah but that would that would be unwieldy i mean people would look at that and they would say gee a body of 8 000 congressmen would be, you'd never get anything done. You know, there'd be just too much stuff.

That might be a nice feature. That might be a nice feature. I get that. But, you know, the structure that we've come up with here, where you have 100 sub-districts and then you send one person who's responsive, I think that probably works in a higher population area. People can learn about this, by the way, by going to hearthepeople.org. We're going to try to get this done in a couple of states. I think we're going to start maybe with Arizona, and we're going to try to get the state legislature to enact this. By the way, that's an important thing, David. I'm sure you're a constitutionalist, but you realize the Constitution in Article I gives each state the

ability to decide how to elect their congressman. So this is entirely constitutional, and a state, all the state legislature has to do is enact this and it will be done for the next election and so that's what i like about your plan there because uh you know if you wanted to say well we're going to go back and we're going to have uh you know let's say maybe not 8 000 we're going to have uh you know 2 000 members of congress so that well they determine right now they said that's our determination, how many are going to be there. But with your system, it spreads out the representation in a hierarchical way, right? Instead of saying, well, now we're going to send more people to Washington, which they can't do, you still wind up getting that representation, but in a hierarchical way.

That's great. In your example, it would be up to the Congress itself to change, to go to 2,000 or 3,000 people, and they're not going to do that. And why wouldn't they do that? Because it would dilute their power, right? If you're one of 2,000, you're going to have a lot less power than one of 435 so that's the last thing they're going to do you're absolutely right they're the ones that froze it at 435 to begin with you know back in 1920 or so so what's this is going to be required to do is each state legislature is going to have to meet and enact this uh statute we have a model statute. We've had draft. So it's very easy to do. And, you know, think about it a second. We're going to be able to make an argument that

who doesn't want this change? The people who will fight this are the media and the lobbyists, because they stand to lose that measure of power. I think people will look at that and say, who do we want to have the power? Do we want the people to have the power or do we want media and the lobbyists to have power? I think the people are going to say, gee, I like this idea because it gives me a greater say over my future and about our leaders not the media or the lobbyists and uh that's i think long overdue so we're going to start in one state we think that once one or two states does this and the rest of the country hears about it every state is going to say hey why don't we do this in our state? This makes a bunch of sense.

I think this is a perfect time for this as well. Because we're at a time right now where everybody is looking at the institutions and they're saying, you know, this just isn't working. I subscribe to the ideas as Trous and Howe on the fourth turning. This type of thing happens like every 80 years. But whether you see this as a cycle or not, you can see that this is really what is happening that everybody is

questioning the institutions and we're seeing at the state level a lot of innovative approaches to change certain things uh let's let's come up with some different uh ways to um it's kind of a backstop of the financial system in case the Federal Reserve really screws up, as many people are worried that it's going to do. So you're seeing moves in terms of like a financial backstop to what Washington is doing, and many other things like that to nullify what they're doing. And so I think the time is ripe for people to look at this and say, wait a minute, let's change the way that we select the congressmen.

We may not be able to change the number of congressmen that we have, but we can certainly change the way they're selected to make it more representative. And there's one word in all this, David, and that word is accountability. Yeah. People don't trust the major institutions. And why? Because they don't believe that they're accountable when they mislead us or when they give us bad information or when they give us half the story.

The big deal with hear the people is that you're going to have a guy or a girl in your district or gives you information that you know is not true or doesn't pass the smell test or is just lacks common sense, you're going to be able to hold that person accountable and you're never going to believe them again. What that means is that the person who you interact with, you're going to be able to hold accountable and the 99 are be going to be able to hold accountable that person that they've sent to washington dc at the same time and they're going to be able to hold that congress accountable that's a really big thing we've lost accountability because it's all about media it's all about these sound bites and it's all about lobbyists and how you shade the truth and yeah telling half the story that's right we gotta we gotta do away with that we've got to make our leaders accountable to each one of us and i think this is a step in that direction yeah that's absolutely right yeah when you look at the uh

the presidential baits are a good example when get together, they talk about the same issues, even though the issues have changed significantly. Same issues that he talked about for decades. They skirt around the issues. They talk past each other, as we saw with Newsom and DeSantis. And then they get away with this because you've only got two choices. And it's like, well, I don't like either one of these guys, but I really can't stand that guy because I've seen all these negative ads and also, so I'll go for this guy, even though I don't really like him. And so all of these things combined together, we've got to find a way to break through that.

And I like the bottom-up approach that you've got, because we've really got to take this back from the bottom-up. We can't take it back from the top down. It's too corrupt. As you just pointed out, the Congress isn't going to dilute their power. They're not going to do anything to change what they're doing. Instead, they're trying to put these tentacles further into our lives and to micromanage more and more aspects of our life at the local level. And that's why I think you're starting to see these approaches rising up at the state level and below that are saying, no,

we're not going to do that. Uh, we're going to start taking back some of our rightful power and all this. And you're absolutely right. By the way, the, the answer to all this is not media. That's, you know, telling us what we want to hear and sound bites it's to get the people back involved. You know, Fox news was created as a reaction to the liberal bent of abc cbs and nbc right but but now we've gone to the fox news silo and we only hear certain things there and then we don't hear that over here and on the major networks so we're kind of buffeted back and forth and and you know the people's reaction to all this david is to just turn off

i mean you've seen you you've seen those interviews that they do on the street you know jesse waters or jay leno or one of these they go up and they ask people you know name the supreme court justices or name your u.s senator most people can't do it yeah most people they have no knowledge of politics and why because they're so detached from it they they've they've gotten moved so far away from it that they just don't even want to get involved anymore and uh you can't blame it because they don't have really any input into it right you know it's become so distant from us it doesn doesn't really matter. And I look at it even from that standpoint. I've got to the point where it's like, I'm trying to focus on my local elections and things like that, even to the extent that, you know, I look at the national elections

and there's lessons to be learned there about the directions that they're going to come at us with. But I'm, you know, for the real practical stuff, you got to focus on what's local. And so we've got to grow this from the bottom up. That is a great idea. I love that. And so that is also discussed in your book about Newsom? Yes. Is that the solution? Yes.

Good. And there's also a website there as well, hearthepeople.org. Hearthepeople.org is the plan laid out there. People can see what that looks like. But before we leave, you know, tell us a little bit more about, you know, just just talk about how California, whether or not Newsom runs for president or God forbid gets elected president. The impact that he has on all of us, whether it is, you know, the kind of car that we drive or the appliances that we have. It falls back to the activist government in California and just how big they are compared to other states and how they can throw that weight around, isn't it? Well, listen, Gavin Newsom will survive.

Gavin Newsom gets to be president. We survived Barack Obama. I think our system is strong enough. But you know what? We won't make the same amount of progress. People won't have the same opportunities. And I think our country will get weaker. And if our country gets weaker, I think the world is worse off for that reason.

You know, I'm involved in a movie about Ronald Reagan right now. It's going to come out in a couple of months. And Reagan took over for Jimmy Carter. We were a weak nation made weaker by Jimmy Carter. We had inflation. We had an oil crisis. We had threats from the Soviet Union. Reagan turned us around and said that we could do better and we could grow and give more people opportunity.

We just got to get government out of the way. That's right. Well, you're absolutely right. Gavin Newsom is one of those that wants to empower government. You know, Hugo Chavez was the same in Venezuela. He promised people better stuff through the government. You know, Castro did the same for Cuba. Oh, you're going to get better health care. You're going to get better this and that. And guess what? Spectacular

failures. I don't want to see the United States go down that route. And let me tell you, Joe Biden has taken down us down that route. Jimmy Carter tried to. Ronald Reagan saved us. I don't necessarily see another Reagan on the horizon to save us from Joe Biden. And if it turns out to be Gavin Newsom, I think that could lead us further down this road to more government, more mismanagement, a lower standard of living, a weaker country, a weaker, more dangerous world. I don't want to see that happen. I want to see us become a better country. And that's why I'm warning people about Gavin Newsom. That's why I'm publishing this book.

That's why I'm appearing with you and getting this idea out. Well, talk a little bit about, you know, we're all, and I talk about this a great deal on this program, you know, his energy policies, his car policies and things like that that have an effect on other people. But also the immigration policy that he has there. You come in as an illegal immigrant. As you pointed out, you've got Hugo Chavez and you've got Castro promising all this free stuff to everybody, which is what the socialists and the Marxists do. But now we've got Gavin Newsom and other people like him promising it to people in other countries at least uh hugo chavez was promising it to the venezuelans he wasn't promising it to you know the people from el salvador or peru or mexico or whatever but you know gavin newsom is

promising it to the world just come here get across that finish line and you're done you can collect unemployment you get free medical care and all the rest of this then and of course that's going to bankrupt us very rapidly i think that was the plan you know cloward and piven economists talked about this years ago so the welfare state's not growing quickly enough and we can make it grow even faster and make people even more uh you know poorer and more dependent on government if we can do this and i think that's the real strategy that's there talk about uh you know what is happening with the immigration issues with newsome yeah the border well this is this is a prime example of a false choice that gets demagogued all the time david and you know i'm a jack kemp republican i

believe that the united states has benefited tremendously from bringing people who want to contribute to us uh into the country. Most other countries do the same thing. They have a very strong immigration policy that welcomes people who want to contribute to our growth and our opportunity. But that's not what's happening with our southern border. I mean, anybody and anybody can come across that border without any restrictions and without any knowledge of who they are or what they're planning to do. That's just as wrong as a total closing of every input to our country. We need to certainly, you know, get more people. Our kids are not having enough kids. I don't want to see us end up like Japan, which has a no-growth economy and

has terrific problems caring for its elderly. We need to have some growth. We need to have controlled immigration. We need to know who's coming into the country. This is a false choice. The Democrats are just letting the borders completely open, which is just so incredibly wrong for our future. And frankly, it's misleading to everybody who's coming in as well. They think they're going to come here and live a wonderful life. And a lot of them discover that they're just not going to be able to. We need to make sure that our borders are secure. You can't have a secure country without it. And, you know, this is another example of politicians who just aren't leading. They're just not leveling with the people.

And on both sides, frankly. I agree. I agree. Yeah, because there's a lot of, you know, again, I should point out, legal immigration, knowing who the people are, that's one thing. But no matter what they do at the border if they've got this massive welfare magnet pulling people across and promising them free stuff that's the real issue and we shouldn't have a problem with people who want to work and people want to be contributing to the um to the economy but we ought to know who's coming in you just had this

massive um in ecuador just massive uh uh, prison, pro prison breaks and, and drug cartels and everything. So what are they doing in neighboring Peru and other countries are saying, well, we, we sent the police to the borders and we said, you're not coming in here unless you got some kind of paperwork from your government showing you don't have a criminal record. We don't do any of that stuff. And I said, well, they'll just come up here, you know come in and they are yeah and they are yeah yeah yeah they are coming up here and you know again

the politicians just jitter and demagogue and they don't get the job done they need to be securing the border but then they need to make it easier for quality people for people who are interested in working hard and contributing to America. And you're absolutely right, by the way, the welfare state in America is what's going to destroy us. I mean, we're spending, what, six and a half trillion dollars this year. We're only, and I say only, raising four and a half trillion from the tax revenue, which, by the way, is a record. That's a record amount of tax revenue. But the politicians in Washington are spending it.

And what are they doing? They're maintaining a welfare state. You know, something like 80 percent of the people now are on Medicaid. They've expanded that all the way through all the states. And governors like Newsom have willingly taken this money. Interestingly, of course, you know, DeSantis, Abbott, a lot of red state governors have refused it. And why? Because they know it's a drug.

It's going to be there for one or two years, and then it's got to go because it's unsustainable. And they don't want to get, you know, tied into this drug. they don't want to get you know tied into this drug they don't want to you know balance their budgets on medicaid they want to make sure that they're sustainable and and it's not sustainable for the government to have our entire medical system supported by the government uh our medical system should be free market just like cars just like energy just like every other good or service. It ought to be free market. It ought to be driven by the private sector. It ought to be driven by innovation.

It ought to be driven by competition. Putting it in the hands of the government is the surest way to destroy it. Oh, I agree. And yet you look at these last three years, they don't want your physician to even have a say-so in your healthcare, let alone you. And when you look at the strings that come attached to this money that they give you, that was kind of the way they rolled this thing out. First, they gave a massive bonuses, you know, to follow the Fauci protocols in the hospitals. You diagnose somebody as a COVID patient, we'll give you a 20% bonus.

And then the next year after the bribery, what follows is the blackmail. We're not only going to take away that bonus, but we're going to take away all your Medicare and Medicaid patients and bankrupt you if you don't get all your staff shot with a vaccine. And guess who are some of the biggest supporters of Gavin Newsom in California? Healthcare. Healthcare. Healthcare entities. Yeah. quarters of gavin newsom in california health care yeah health care health care entities yeah that's that's one thing we should talk about is how they rolled out the vaccine mandates in california uh and i believe that was under newsom wasn't it where they started saying you're not

going to have any religious or medical exemptions for any of these childhood vaccines they've been laying the groundwork for this kind of stuff for a long time and i think it's one of the reasons why washington is pushing so hard to get everybody addicted to this medicare because that's going to be one of the most effective ways that they can use to control us and say well now you're going to have to get the id or you're not going to get any medical care we've already seen that done by gates in india with the adhar system we'll give you welfare we'll give you medical care but you're going to have to take the digital id and so there's all these strings that are attached to it, but they begin by bribing people. It's always the way the federal government gets around the 10th Amendment.

And guess what, David? Everybody is going to need health care at some point in their lives. And so the more government can control a service like that that almost everybody's going to need, the more that government then control your life. This is an old playbook and Hugo Chavez, you've used it. Castro used it. You know, you promise people something that they know they're going to need. And you tell them that government's going to provide it and they'll give you their power. And that's what this is all about, David. It's about a small group of people trying to control the population. And it's the story of human history. You go back to the pharaohs. It's the story of human history. The United States has

stood out among all the countries that ever existed as a place where government was limited the constitution was about limiting the scope and size of government and along the way we really have lost that idea we we really let that idea slip and i think it's time to bring it back that's what our proposal is all about with here the people putting those limits back on government and i think the people you know they they do want to run their own lives they don't want government telling them how to live that was ronald reagan's plea to us that was the key to his success and appeal uh we we need another ronald reagan and i and that's that's that's my uh and that's in the book too by the way so you'll get a chance to read that.

Well, you know, when you look at the rights, and as you correctly pointed out, it was about prohibiting government from interfering with our God-given rights, what the Bill of Rights was about. It's very clever. I remember when Obama was running for president, or shortly after he got elected. I can't remember exactly when he said it. It was at the very beginning and he said um and he taught this and and he knew exactly what he was doing but they have they control the way that that you perceive things by the terminology and so they would say he said well you know i know that this is set up and we got prohibitions there for government we call that negative rights uh but you know a positive right is your right to health care or your right to an education or to housing or to this.

And it's like, oh, well, I want the positive stuff. I don't want the negative stuff. And he completely turned it upside down by using those labels. And it had absolutely nothing to do with the Constitution. He knew that, but he's great at selling stuff, isn't he? I knew Obama very well. I'm from Illinois. I'm from Illinois. I'm from Chicago. And I ran for the U.S. Senate. And I once debated Obama

for an hour and a half just on those ideas, education and health care. And you know, David, you know what his big response to me was? We need government to help people with education and health care. We can't let people, and these are his words, fend for themselves. We can't let people, people are too stupid in his world, people are too stupid to choose their own health care or their own education. Government has to do it for them. And darned if that wasn't his program on becoming president of the United States, he convinced the media that it was a great thing, that government should control your education, government should control health care.

You're too stupid to choose it on your own. My answer was people can choose their health care. People can choose education if they're given the tools to do so. And they want to choose that. And frankly, they should be able to because that means we have competition. And when you have competition, you have quality and you have lower costs.

Yeah, that's right. But Obama didn't want to hear that. I mean, he disagreed with me on that. And we debated on that. I wish I had a tape of that debate, by the way, because it was an hour and a half and he and I were the only ones there. And I wish you would have beat him. I wish you would have beat him.

I wish you would have beat him in the election. I'm sure you beat him in the debate, but I wish you'd beat him in the election. It would have been a very different world, wouldn't it, if we'd had John Cox instead of Barack Obama. But, you know, that's the same kind of argument, John, that if you go back and you look at Civil War history, we talk about Civil War a lot. Everybody wants to talk about the Civil War now. Well, you go back and you look at it, and you've got a lot of people uh who were plantation owners and slave owners and they said well we realize this really isn't a very good system and we feel bad about the fact that we're controlling these people and enslaving them but you know it's

for their own good if we let them loose they just wouldn't be able to survive right you know it's that kind of paternalism that obama is selling that's a slave plantation mentality uh and and it's actually the mentality of the plantation owners uh well i have to enslave them for their own good and now and reagan and that's why reagan's message was so wonderful because it was just so simple you know the the eight most dangerous words in the english language is i'm from the government i'm here to help you uh you know the stuff that reagan said was so true to so many people you gotta get government out of the way government can't be all things to all people government should do our defense because we don't want people owning nuclear weapons and tanks and other things like that. So government should provide national defense,

and that's what the Constitution specifically says. But on all these other things, health care, education, government shouldn't be providing those things. Government should create the avenues for private industry to be able to provide those things, and that's what we've got to get back to. And yet, as I'm sure you're aware, you know, you're talking about education, although we just had Biden's education secretary say, you know, that's our mission statement. I'm from the government.

I'm here to help you. Totally oblivious to the fact that Reagan used that as the fearful words that everybody doesn't want to hear. I'm sure you're aware of that. It was really funny that he bought into that. And so few people called him on it it truly is amazing to see that well i think you've got a great plan i'm sure that it's a very well i know that it is a very relevant book uh gavin newsom whether there's a presidential race or not has a tremendous impact on everything across the country people need to understand uh where he coming from. A good example of an elitist politician

that we don't want to keep promulgating that system. And it's great to see that in your book, you have a plan for how we can start from the bottom up to reform this without having to beg Congress to reform themselves, which of course they will never do. Hearthepeople.org is where people can see that plan. I guess, you know, they can find your book on Amazon. Do you also sell it at hearthepeople.org?

Okay, good. So great talking to you. And I'm so grateful that you come up with this plan. We need people to think outside of the box that they have put us into. And we need to look for state solutions. And we need to look for ways that we can. I look at this as essentially a way of nullification and a positive way to nullify this calcified system that has become so self-interested and that it can't be that it won't respond to us and it can't be reformed. So I think that's a very important way to do it. And let me and let me and let me make this clear by the way here the people is not partisan in any way uh bernie bernie sanders and donald trump would agree on the same thing uh in one sense uh bernie sanders talks about corporations and millionaires and billionaires

uh donald trump talks about the uh the deep state and the media and the fake news, right? Well, here the people gets rid of both. Here the people puts the power back in the people's hands, gets rid of the media influence, and gets rid of the big corporations. And so I think people can look at it as a bipartisan, as a solution that both sides, that all the people can get around and believe it's the right way for us to go. I agree. And even as we try to engage and debate ourselves on social media and they try to censor us, this is a way that people can get directly involved.

And it is something that is a personal, direct person to person type of thing. Grassroots moving up. These are all the things that we need to be looking to. These are all elements of what I think are going to be any successful solution. So thank you so much for doing that again. Hearthepeople.org, and the book is Newsom's Nightmare, The Newsom Nightmare. And you'll find that on Amazon. Thank you so much for joining us, John Cox.

Appreciate it. Thank you, David. Really a pleasure to be with you. Thank you. We've got just a little bit of time left and just enough time to for me to thank stephen patterson thank you again uh stephen that is very generous i appreciate the tip on rockfin and um we will um we're about ready to go out so i'll just cut this short uh tomorrow we're going to talk a little bit more about the pharmaceutical stuff

that i did not get to today because there's some very important updates on that yes fox news is out there trying to sell measles panic again and we shut that down once and for all uh but that's always the way they begin and they keep going back to that that's their bread and butter that's their pharmaceutical sponsors that they've got there thank you for joining us let me tell you the david knight show you can listen to with your ears you can even watch it by using your eyes. In fact, if you can hear me, that means you're listening to The David Knight Show right now. Yeah, good job. And you want to know something else, you can find all the links to everywhere to watch or listen to the show at the David night show.com. That's a website. I was hit by a jet ski and I was told by a doctor that I may have only five hours to

live if my liver had been totally destroyed. And I was faced with all of a sudden this idea that in five hours I might be standing before the judgment seat of Christ. I was 30 years old, I knew the Bible very well, I was happily married, I had two kids. I was very much the epitome of a good American Christian. And I realized at that moment when it was real and I was laying on a gurney, I'm gonna get before Christ

and this is gonna be inadequate. I will not go in with my head held high. What have I done to help all the hurting people out there? Not much. And I realized at that moment I never wanted to be in that situation again. Theology in books is one thing. Theology when you're laying on a gurney realizing I might be seeing Christ in the next couple

of hours is another. When I was on the Los Angeles Police Department and I saw brutal, awful crime in a really horrific crime area, and then as I got into international business, I got to see that depravity is in $5,000 suits just like it's in do-rags and running around with AK-47s. We see over here on the nice Americanized Christianity that we have that some people do seem totally transformed and some not. Lots of people claim to be Christians,

lots of people believe in Christ, but they don't seem that much different than some of the stuff I saw on the streets of Los Angeles. What's the difference? Jesus has given us the formula for that some of the stuff I saw on the streets of Los Angeles. What's the difference? Jesus has given us the formula for that difference in the Sermon on the Mount. Jesus has this list of intense demands that he's put upon us. Those are the things that are the requirements for living out this life with great joy and power in him. Well, Christ has said, you can be my salt, you can be my light,

you can be the change maker in this world if you follow me, deny yourself, pick up your cross daily. And by the way, when you're that person I will shower you with great rewards in eternity when you get there and a content and joyful life here in this world where you're seeing change and transformation around you as people see you this great light of the Holy Spirit. Have you ever seen how some Christians are so filled with great joy because they have lived up to the Sermon on the Mount that Christ demands, not for salvation, but for all the promises after salvation. And so we want to walk through that in

a daring faith in a cowardly world, realizing that the world is counting on us to carry out the good works that Jesus laid down at the beginning of time for you and I to accomplish. And if we do that, we will reap great rewards from our master when we get to heaven. And say, Lord Jesus, I live for you. I gave all for you. And have him say, well done, my good and faithful servant. Okay, and that's our guest, Ken Harrison. And you saw the book there.

This is his newest book, A Daring Faith in a Cowardly World. And so joining us now is ken harrison he is volunteer chairman and ceo of promise keepers and he's done a great deal of things in his life but thank you for joining us sir oh thanks david i appreciate it uh it's really important for us to i think promise keepers has a very important, especially for these times that we live in. And it is very important for men to understand what their role is. And you put that out there in a very positive way. Tell us a little bit about the organization Promise Keepers. Well, Promise Keepers was the biggest men's movement in the history of the church back in the 90s under Coach Bill McCartney.

So they were getting together men filling a NFLafil stadium 60 70 000 men at a time i remember that yeah yeah and they they actually had a gathering in washington dc in 97 called stand in the gap most people think it was called the million man march it was called santa gap they had 1.4 million men together to worship christ for the day it's the biggest gathering in the history of washington dc so it was a pretty impactful organization it sort of faded out of relevance for a while but we've been coming back for the last few years. Well, that's good. But yet, you know, as we see so many times in the cancel culture, what is surprising is to see that Christian venues are now canceling promise keepers because they don't like anything that is masculine, anything that talks to men

about keeping their promises that they make. Tell us a little bit about that and what's been happening with that. It is truly amazing. I saw that and I just was really astounded because, as you point out, promise keepers was so big 20, 30 years ago. And now we've got liberal churches, churches have gone so far to the left that they um want to ban promise keepers for what they call their you know what is their gender ideology yeah and it's i i've been as shocked as you have um we went to dallas cowboy stadium two years ago we had 30 000 men there it was a huge event um and then we thought well let's do a bigger tour we get letters from all over the world saying could you come here and we thought, instead of doing one huge event in one location, which takes so much, just a lot of stuff, let's just go to churches.

Wouldn't that be great? And we'll go all over. And we have found we've been canceled and canceled. And a lot of times, David, it's not about ideology. A lot of times it's just plain about cowardice. So we had one church come to us. We met with the elders, and they said, listen, we agree with you on everything. We're so sorry.

We just don't want any protesters. We don't need anybody to think badly of us. We don't want to be awful from our community. Right. And I mean, if you've read the gospels, if you read the words of our Lord, you think how in the world could you as an elder of a church literally say i don't want to be unpopular they need it worse than anybody at that church yeah that's absolutely amazing and that's what's happened that's what we see everywhere that's why uh you know the the church is just

disappearing is because nobody will stand for the truth and you look at that and you say well then maybe you don't really believe it so why am i coming coming to your church? You know, A.R. Bernard is on our board. People think he's, I don't know if you know who A.R. Bernard is. He has a huge church in New York City. And a lot of people say, oh, he's woke. He's not woke. He's an incredibly brilliant man. Huge church in New York City with 40,000 people. And he said something to me that I thought was so profound. He said, Ken, you know what the difference between a strong preference and a conviction is no let me think about that everybody homeless said what is the difference between a strong a strong preference and a conviction a conviction is not negotiable yes that struck me as so profound

because when we see Saint Jerome being barbecued face down in Rome, and after 15 minutes of him singing songs and laughing, he finally yells out, I'm done on this side. You can turn me over now. That's a guy with convictions, right? Now we have churches saying, well, we don't want protesters that might make us uncomfortable. And the ironic thing about it is our tour is called Daring Faith because what we're saying to men is, you started

this at the beginning, what is our identity? Who are we? And as a church, we've gotten this wrong. And the greatest lie is the one that's closest to the truth that brings you to the wrong conclusion. And the lie that's been seeded throughout the evangelical church is that we're all sinners saved by grace. Well, that's's true but it's only half true because when you think you're a sinner saved by grace and you stop there that becomes your identity i guess i'm a sinner instead of sinners saved by grace made into new creations in christ jesus for good works which were prepared beforehand that we should walk in the ephesians 2 10. we've been made new creatures that the spirit of god has been deposited in each person who's put their faith in christ now we're sons and daughters of the most high god and we need

to act like it so the identity is a problem because when men see well i'm just a sinner then suddenly we see what we have today which is well i struggle with porn but i'm trying to do better no you're a new creature you shouldn't be struggling with porn what did what did john say to when everyone showed up on the launch of jesus's ministry jesus comes to get baptized john looks up and looks at everybody and says repent you brood of vipers who told you to repent from the for the coming of the lord repent and sow deeds consistent with your repentance yes that's uh that's something we hear in the church a lot today. And that was the beginning of Jesus's ministry.

That's right. Yeah, it's like, you know, if we're going to be witnesses to people, we've got to tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth, right? I had George Barnon, he was talking about how people like, yeah, you know, it's like a smorgasbord. We'll bring a little bit of this thing over there and a little bit of that thing over there. So we had some things that aren't true to it, you know. But then the other part of it is that you're talking about is that we don't have the whole truth.

You know, Jesus would constantly, you know, heal somebody and say, now go your way and sin no more. You know, you've been changed. And if we haven't been changed, and if we don't have that sense of transformation that changes, then we need to go back and we need to say, well, have I really been changed? Have I been saved? You know, is that something there? Because if you have, it's going to work itself out. And so, you know, we need to constantly, you know, we need to look at that and say, you know, does my life really reflect what I say that it does? Am I really living that? And of course, today we're seeing this more and more. That's why, you know, talking about promise keepers, you were kicked out

of a private Christian university in Nashville, out of a church in Cordova, Tennessee, out of a big church in Houston, and on and on. And I just looked at this. I was astounded. It's like, what is wrong with telling people to keep their promises, you know, and be a good husband and a good father and that type of thing that you're encouraging men to take that role? You know, what have we gotten to in a society where that is something that people hate in churches or Christian universities? Or, as you pointed out, they're afraid of the criticism that's going to come their way. Yeah, I mean mean the bible says that in the last days love of many will grow cold because of a lack of teaching doctrine and you know when people listen to this i think they think well is that am i getting the whole story i mean

maybe this ken harrison guy's a real jerk or maybe promise has a bunch of right i mean we're taught to think that way yeah and then Everybody, I'm not a jerk. And we really have gone with the grace of the Lord. We just teach God's word. One of the criticisms we get from people, because, you know, when you have people who want to spread hatred, they're not bogged down by truth. You know, they say whatever they think. And one of them is, well, you know, we want to subjugate women. And I'm quoted all over the place as saying, my role is not to tell women how to behave. I stay out of that. I'm not a pastor. I run

promise keepers. It's here to tell men how to behave. So I'm here to tell men how to be humble, gracious leaders in their home, biblically understand so they can raise their kids. We don't ever mention anything about women or anything like that. So it's all about humility. Who wouldn't want a husband who's humble and gracious and knows the Bible and raises his kids, right? So really, it's unbelievable when you look at the fact that churches are walking away from this. And it's terrifying. And I will say, I think that there is a welcome change in the church coming in that i think covid changed a lot of things when people realized that they could sit in a robe and watch francis chan on the youtube

instead of yeah the megachurch movement has taken over starting in the 80s where you know a really good speaker with good music ended up with this massive campus and people all went there and it was nameless and faceless and they did their church thing and they went home well culture no longer values going to church and now i don't need to go to church and be nameless and faceless because i can watch it on youtube so i think what's church about church is about lifting brothers and sisters up in christ and sharpening each other so church is about relationship and teaching biblical doctrine. Yeah. So for those churches that are teaching biblical doctrine, and there's relationships, and I'm telling you it starts with the men, because women naturally make relationships,

but men don't. Those churches are going to be the ones who flourish. And I think we're going to go back more to a local church where people really know each other, they raise each other's kids, instead of this nameless, faceless megachurch. and i'll tell you that's going to be a welcome time i agree i agree i've seen this in terms of silver linings and what happened in 2020 from the standpoint of i've talked for the longest time to people about schools and it's like you know don't don't put your you know be careful about what the institution is oh it's not it's not my school or it's not our school here. And even if it is our school, it's not my classroom. And then they were able to see what was actually being taught in the classroom.

And so that was a real, you know, wake-up moment for people, just like a lot of the Zoom church stuff was a wake-up. And churches, it said, well, you know what? They've said that there's a sickness going around. So maybe we just, it's not important enough for us to get together, you know? So you see some things like this, and it's been really kind of an opportunity for people to reevaluate the sincerity of the institutions and to reevaluate what is actually happening in their lives.

And so I do agree with you. I think it's not going to be everybody, but it's going to be certainly a lot of people have awakened to what was going on in their schools, what was going on in their churches as they saw this stuff being locked down. And so that's the unintended positive consequences, I think, that God is using. Give us an idea. You mentioned a little bit of this, but tell us a little bit about what a promise keepers rally is about so this is men talking to men like men and so you know when you look at a a marriage you need to have a mother and a father for an optimal raising of a kid it's not always possible but when little johnny skins his knee he needs mom there to say johnny it's okay let me put a band-aid on let me kiss it make

it better but every once in a while johnny needs dad to go, you're not that hurt, get up and get going. Right? That's right, yeah. In our society, we're blocking dads. And so what we have is so many victims running around, well, my dad was mean, and so now I'm screwed up, and my coach didn't play me, and excuses. And so what we're here to say is, look, that may be true.

You may have had a bad father or no father, or maybe a lot of things. Now, what are you here to say is look that may be true you may have had a bad father or no father or may maybe a lot of things now what are you going to do about it it's time to stand up and be counted as a man of god because your wife your kids are counting on you to be a man exercise self-control so that's what this is really about so these are many events they're friday night only they go from depending on the city like six to nine the first one will be New York City on December 1st and it's going to be actually globally simulcast for free to to the whole world so anybody who's not near New York City can just go sign up at promisekeepers.org and get the simulcast we're trying to do that through churches because again we want to drive a relationship amongst men we don't want sitting at home in the road we want them out with other men

but we're going to take on real issues we're going to have becca cook there who was a hollywood um major hollywood presence homosexual who got saved it completely changed his life went to talbot seminary so becca tell us you know we're going to have an interview tell us how do you witness to homosexuals how should we approach them how did you get saved what if our kid comes to us and says that they're struggling with this issue like real issues we're going to deal with depression you know 80 of suicides in america are for middle-aged men so we're going to deal with mental health but it's all wrapped around christ because that's all that really matters yeah how can we live our lives for jesus christ abandon to him so it's going to be very interesting this is not celebrity

driven this is not come see the big speaker or the big singer none of that this is three hours of sober worship sharpening each other and real information that you just can't get anywhere else because we're not going to screw around we're not going to tell you you're just so fine and everything is just so great we're going to deal with the real issues as christ did repent the kingdom of god is at hand. Right? That's right. Well, that's good. So promisekeepers.org, the first event is going to be December the 1st, in case your church is not telling you about it.

But people can find the live stream there. And then what is – you've got events that are scheduled throughout the next year, I guess, as well, right? We do. 2024, we should have a lot of them. I can't announce any of them yet because we have a whole bunch that are almost solidified. And to be honest with you, I've learned that I have to make sure that everything is solid before I announced. So unless we get canceled.

Yeah, I know. Well, that's what we're seeing with the libraries, you know, libraries have been taken over the drag queen storytime hours. And so you have, uh, I mean, uh, as, uh, you had, um, uh, I can't think of his name, the actor who started. Yes. Yeah. Kirk Cameron. As he started going around doing that, they started canceling them left and right.

And then if they couldn't cancel it, they created disturbances there and everything. I mean, it truly is amazing. You know, the other people have beliefs that they hold very dear, and they will fight against those. I mean, we're even seeing now for the third time this woman who quietly goes to abortion clinic and prays silently. For the third time, she's been arrested. It's just amazing to see that level of persecution all over the place but as you point out uh it is uh everywhere we turn men are being denigrated uh being uh you know mocked as homer simpsons with nothing at all to contribute even to the extent they're replacing the caveman with a cavewoman it's kind of ridiculous but tell

us a little bit about your books um your first book was rise of the servant king where the bible says about be uh being a man tell us a little bit about that and we'll get into the newer book after that but tell us first about the rise of the servant kings yeah that one is a really no-nonsense approach on being a godly man it's full of la cop stories because i was an la policeman as you said i've done a lot of things and uh so there's some stories in there that the publisher was like whoa you don't see these in christian books and uh a lot of real positive feedback. In fact, I've gotten hundreds of letters from women who have read it and been blessed.

Because it's really a discipleship book, dressed up and being a man. Because you've got to learn how to be a disciple of Jesus Christ to learn how to be a real man. So there's that one. And then the next one that came out recently is Daring Faith in a Cowardly World, which I love that title. I didn't come up with it the publisher did um thomas nelson but it basically says that again we talk about identity people think that you said the prayer you're saved and now you just have yours and it's

time there's nothing left to do instead actually when you read um what christ said over and over in fact his final words in Revelation 22, he says, Behold, I'm coming quickly, and my reward is with me to give to each person according to what he has done. So, the idea here is there will be a judgment seat of Christ, 2 Corinthians 5, 10, that we'll all stand before. Jesus Christ doesn't care what we did before we were saved. We were dead in our sins. We're saved by grace through faith alone. However, after we were saved, our lives do matter, and we will be judged. And Jesus says, behold, the person who perseveres doing good works, I will pull him up onto my throne to sit up with me at my Father's right hand. And at the end of Matthew 24, he says that the servant I come to find serving me will be put in charge of many things.

And so the idea here is there's a reason to have daring faith because it will matter for a entire eternity will be rewarded those of who really walk with christ and those who didn't and and just to put a cherry on that you know because of promise keepers i get to talk to all these famous pastors and be friends with everything and the famous theologian who called me out and said hey man, man, I got to tell you, I read your book. I heard about it being good about good works for Christians. And he goes, I sat down with a pen to shred it. And I was going to go on my radio show and tear you to pieces. And he goes, when I got done with your book, I was completely convinced.

And now I can't unsee it. Every time I open my Bible, it's good works, rewards, good works, rewards. Because how did I miss this all these years? That's what that book is about. and that's this challenge of this tourist men your lives matter greatly and because we think our lives don't matter is why we're dropping the ball because i david and i know you talk about this but think about it what they're doing to our children here in colorado when you're six years old you go to school they want to know what gender you are and i just had someone telling me their daughter went to school for her first day of first grade and you know are you a boy or a girl i'm a girl are you sure you're a girl do you want to be a

boy i'm really trying to talk her into being something other than she is why are we not so outraged about what they're doing to our kids. Instead, to circle back, I see churches that are caught up in bureaucracy and money and not having protesters. And man, oh man, they're tearing at the core of who we are as a people. We, as the people of Christ, ought to just have our hearts being ripped out and in love, doing everything we can. Because as you said, the other side actually believes this nonsense because they're deceived by the evil one our enemies are not flesh and blood but they're the powers and the authorities and powers of darkness we need to be waking people up to the truth because people know the truth when they hear it and when they really hear truth they're going to have one reaction or another either

repent or they're going to hate you yeah that's what happens because they're going to be utterly in their deception. Second Thessalonians chapter two and Romans chapter one. Some people are just completely abandoned to their evil and they're going to hate you. You're promised. Jesus promises us that they're going to hate us, but some people we can rescue. And what a glorious day that is.

That's why we're here on this world. I just want to wake up. Stop being so dang comfortable. Stop looking for the approval of the world. Start looking for the approval of the one who matters, Jesus Christ. If you have an audience of one, it's amazing how easy life gets because you don't care what anybody else thinks. It's sure a lot easier, more joyful.

That's right. Such great advice. Yeah, we look at things, and it's so easy to fall off one side or the other and get things unbalanced. And so our response to a lot of people who think that they can earn their way into heaven is to say, no, you can't do that. There isn't any way that you can undo what has happened. Only Christ can undo that. But then as you point out, if we don't look at the fact that he's saved us to good works and to do good things, that's the other, you know, we can get on one side of the extreme or the other.

You know, it can be all about works or we can all be about grace only. But it's the combination of those two things that are so important to try to get those in the proper understanding and understand, you know, now that we're at this point, you know, I think of the everybody's everybody knows a parable of the talents, and that's now because of the way that was translated as a unit of silver. It was an amount of money that was given to these people in Jesus' parable. Now people have said, well, you know, you have certain talents, things that God has given you. What are you going to do with that? And when we look at that parable, the people who don't do anything with what they were given,

they get strong condemnation from Jesus, right? And so that's the key thing. That's where we are right now. You know, look at all of the things that God has given us. He has given us not only forgiveness, but he's given us abilities. What are we going to do with that where we are? That's the key thing that Christians need to be asking themselves right now. And we have just stopped short of that in so many churches that got the part of the gospel right, but they also just stop at that point and don't go any further. You know, that parable, I go into it in detail. But you'll notice the first two servants are given a certain amount of money,

and they go invest it, and they take risks. The last servant doesn't do anything with it, and why not? He doesn't want to take any risk. And what does Jesus say? Throw him into the outer darkness. Okay, so number one, there's this contempt for him because he was a coward. And number two, what's the outer darkness? Because these guys

are all christians they're in heaven so did he lose his salvation no actually it's pretty clear as you look at over and over again what he's thrown out of is the wedding feast of the lamb that the wedding feast will be the great culmination of all of history and all the saints are going to be there and this is why he has weeping and gnashing of teeth people think that's hell or pain it isn't in the near east weeping means sorrow and gnashing of teeth means anger and he's angry at his wasted life and he's looking at the wedding feast of the lamb he's not allowed in because he wasted what god gave him and i want to wake people up and say don't be that person be the first two servants who went and served the lord of what they had. And that takes courage. And the other thing I want to wake people up to is we have swallowed another lie of intellectualism,

where we think these guys who sit in their libraries surrounded by books and criticize other pastors, somehow this is the varsity level of Christ. Just look at the Bible. Everything is about courage. Everybody in the Bible, everything is confrontation. It's screwed up people who are giving all for Christ. They stood up for something. Hebrews chapter 11 is a great hall of faith. These are such screwed up people, but they just kept going. We're all wanting to screw up, but are we going to be courageous? Are we going to do everything it takes to raise godly kids and say, little Sam or little Jane, what are you learning in school? Let's look and see how that,

what does scripture say about that? And getting a little more about our school board, what's going on? Just the gal at Starbucks with the tattoos and the nose ring with a, with a dour look on her face and saying, Hey, are you okay? Can I pray for you? Is there one thing I can pray for you today? I'm telling you, if you start doing that, I do it all the time. It's amazing how much of my day gets, quote, wasted, because I'll spend two hours with some woman crying on my shoulder with mascara all over my shirt about her life. And you try to walk her through Christ, try to find her a good church. Everywhere we go, it's a promise keeper's thing that we always say, if there's one thing I could pray for you, what would it be? It's amazing what that unlocks with people, but you better be ready.

And it's harder to get that with men. A woman will tell you what may tell you that, but it's going to be much harder to get that from a man, especially if you don't have a relationship already. Even with a relationship, it's harder to get men to talk, and that's why something like promise keepers is really important because we're just not wired that way to, to, you know, um, uh, to open up and to talk to other people.

Yeah. Well, the course in here for promise keepers is we've got to teach men that being a man comes from your heart and your character, not from your performance, say that again, it comes from your heart, your character, not your performance. We say, what is a man like, oh a man is uh somebody who goes hunting and who can grow a great beard like david knight or uh is tall and has a deep voice or is a cop or a navy seal or no man is someone with it comes from inside it's your integrity it's who you are it says i will defend my family no matter what

i will provide for my family no matter what if i I get laid off from my job and times are tough, if I got to work at McDonald's, I'll work at McDonald's. Whatever it takes to stand by my kids and my wife, to guard my thoughts and my mind so that all of my sexual energy goes towards my wife and nobody else. Now, these are things that we talk about come from the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ. You cannot do this through self-effort. You must do it. You're dying to self daily. And as you die to self daily, Matthew 5 through 7 is the whole core of being a disciple. Jesus there is not giving the recipe for salvation.

He's giving the recipe for becoming a disciple. As we die to self daily, we can really become men. It comes from the inside. And suddenly we find out that I don't care if you're 4'10 and 80 pounds, you have a heart of a lion and a heart of integrity and honesty and courage because you become a man of God. But it's another thing we have to wipe out is this idea that masculinity is performance-driven. It's not. It's heart and integrity-driven. Yes, I agree. I couldn't agree integrity-driven. Yes, I agree. I couldn't agree with that more.

Yeah, I've said many times that if you're looking to Christ, that is a leverage point, a fulcrum that's outside of this world, and that gives you a tremendous amount of leverage to change this world because it's coming from that. It's coming. Your focus is not even on changing the world. That's going to be an outcome that comes from your focus on Christ, having an eternal focus with that. But it is very important, as you point out, it's so difficult for men to see this. Women just naturally fall

into this. They fall more into their relationships. They like school better than we like school. They like church better than we like church. And it's just a natural thing for them. And so men need to have a little bit more of an encouragement, a counseling, and to understand the importance of the one another, you know, helping one another. That's a key thing. And I think it's very important for promise keepers. I'm glad that you're reviving this, that it is now coming back. It really isn't needed at this point in time. Here's why men have always done relationships by doing things together. Because if you look at the history of the world, you had to do things together to survive. So somebody was a hunter and

somebody was a farmer and a rancher and a black blacksmith and all that stuff. So you came together communities and you had to share skills. And then we learned who we could trust and who we couldn't we saw men in stressful situations. And if you were not a good guy, you're ostracized. And if you're a good guy, you're elevated in the town. Women make relationships by communicating. And so now what we see is because of all our technological advancements, the world today is all about communicating.

It's all about Facebook and social media. None of that is masked. In fact, it's demasculating. And of course, our churches are falling into that, too. So you come to church and you have a chat and maybe you get together and have tea. If you're really godly, you get together and have a Bible study at 630 in the morning on a Friday. But there's nothing in that that's having to do with doing things together as men. And that's where pastors have to be intentional, get men together.

Because I can have lunch with you, David, for 20 years, once a week, but we won't really be friends. I'll tell you what, we go hunting for three days in the backwoods, and you shoot an elk that's 300 yards away across another mountain range. You've got to clean that thing and carry it out. Now we're friends. Because now I've seen what you're really we're friends because now i've seen what you really like under stress and you've seen that i'm like under stress you've seen how much we hold each other's work that's what creates relationships amongst men and so we have to be intentional about that now because we don't need each other anymore i mean i can i can order uber eats and i can get stuff delivered from the grocery store and men are being more and

more isolated so it's fine there's nothing wrong from the grocery store and men are being more and more isolated. So it's fine. There's nothing wrong with women communicating naturally and men make relationships by doing, but then again, we have to be intentional. So promise keepers, what we're trying to do is tell men, don't get together for Bible study, get together with guys who are golfers and golf or hunters and hunter or fishermen or skiers, whatever it is that you do. And then Bible study will come from that. But if you try to get together and sit around, you'll just try to do a religious thing, and it won't last. But get together and do something that matters, and then have scripture and prayer out of that, and boy, you will become, you'll have true friends.

Darrell Bock That's a great idea. Yeah, absolutely. I think that's right i'll see on on your board um one name that sticks out to me is randy alcorn and of course uh he i know randy from his his works he's done a lot of uh fiction novels um he uh did uh that are very well written uh he uh was a pastor who was, uh, at a, uh, an abortion clinic and they got a judgment against him. And for over 20 years, he didn't take a penny. He took like the minimum, which is like $8,000 a year. So he didn't give any of the money to a Planned Parenthood and just donated all the money from these novels, which were very successful. But he's also written about heaven, and he's very much

focused on what, you know, we're not going to be just doing nothing, floating around on clouds, contemplating our navel. It would be an opportunity for us to work and to create and get involved in a lot of things. I like his analysis and his way of thinking, but he also writes a lot about money, because Jesus talked a lot about money. And that's one of the key things with men as well. Talk a little bit about what you tell people about money with promise keepers, because that's such a powerful drag on our lives, just like sex and many other things. But money has so much of a grip on our lives. Tell people what you tell men about money you think about

um the things in life that are the greatest blessing they also could be the biggest curses right sex right sex is an incredible thing it procreates species and and amongst marriage I wrote in in um rise of the serving Kings that sex is the only thing differentiates a marriage many other relationship because anybody can share a bank account and raise kids together it's that makes this you one flush it's extremely precious and that's why sex outside of marriage is such a great sin fire think about fire what a great blessing you need to survive think about how destructive water you need water but boy water can do destruction money is freedom if you have a healthy attitude about it is the freedom to do what you'd like to do. Whenever I have some money and I'm going to spend it on something major,

I think, okay, I have, I'm going to go buy a new truck. I have $50,000 in my hand. I can do anything with this $50,000. I want to from getting clean water in Africa to fighting AIDS, to buying a big diamond ring, like whatever I want to do, is this truck what I choose to give that to? And it's a healthy attitude when you actually think that way, right? Debt is bondage. Debt will destroy you. Especially today, we have a lot of people are going to end up in massive, massive problems because interest rates have taken off. If you had a bunch of credit card debt or you had floating interest rates with what's going on, people are going to get crushed. I know I'm not trying to be,

who's the money guy in Nashville. I forget his name now. He's always saying, get out of debt. His name is escaping me as well. Yeah. My wife loves him. If you're in debt, get out of debt. The thing about money, I actually had somebody come to me as a nfl football player and he said look i have this love of money i can't get over it i said you don't have a lot of money what do you mean i go money is a symptom it's it's it's not the disease if you put money there's something else why do you want money so bad is it because you lack faith and you think that i never have enough money you know i run a huge foundation and we had one woman who we went to to give some of her money away and she said oh no i can't i only have a hundred million dollars i have to make sure

i can pay the gas she had inherited from her husband she didn't know what the value of a dollar was. So money is great freedom if you understand what to do with it. And it's a terrible curse because it shows who you are. So if you I really like really fast cars, but probably I want the Ferrari. So everybody will look at me and think how cool I am, right? I'm not going to judge that person, but what is it I want to do with money? So that's the thing we tell men, cash, freedom, debt, bondage. If you're trying to accumulate lots of money, why is that? Because there's people dying. There's people who need stuff. And I think it's okay to be comfortable. You know, there's a conversation you can have. I mean, I'll tell you that I used to run a huge company, as you think you all sort of from your resume. I used to have thousands of employees and made lots of money and created lots of jobs.

And I don't take any money now. I think you know that from Promise Keepers. I get paid zero. But there's nothing wrong with having money because we can all judge well what is a lot of money well one day i was in a meeting with a couple of major major pastors and i had to leave and and this guy said well you got to leave can't what do you have to leave i go i got a plane to catch he's like yeah plane to catch and the other pastor looks at him he goes yeah ken flies commercial and they both put nothing you don't have a private jet i said uh no and right and they're kind of mocking me and i go you know there's something kind of

telling about the fact that the two guys who who live off the tithe money of others have private jets and the guy who's created tens of thousands of jobs flies on southwest i'll leave that you know and they both laughed. But boy, hey, that's between them and the Lord. I'm not going to condemn them for it, but I'm going to say for me, Southwest Airlines is just plain adequate. And flying somewhere for $400 is a lot different than flying there

for $15,000 on a private plane. But everyone has to be their own judge and be convicted in their own heart by the holy spirit yeah oh yeah that's right dave ramsey eventually you know yeah eventually it gets there just it's a little bit slower now uh but it's got all these extra paths it's got to go around blockages i guess to get there but yeah they ran over the older we get dave ramsey was always about staying out of debt and that's, that's really good advice.

You know, we want, we don't want to make, but again, you know, with anything that we do, we can always become obsessive about it. You know,

and I've seen people have gotten obsessive about, you know, getting out of debt and, and everything, but it is, as you point out, it is a bondage and, and it's a very dangerous time to be in that kind of debt,

especially it's just, to me, it's just criminal what they're doing with the credit card rates. Now that they can get away with 29%. I know. I know that's, that's like the average. It's just astounding to me that we allow that to happen, but it's just another one of these things where everybody just like, well, I just passively accepted instead of trying to change it. Tell us what the seven promises of the promise

keepers are. All right. I'm on vacation and I'm totally, I cannot walk through all seven of them right now. Well, first one, I've got them in front of me, so I've got a cheat sheet here. Honor God, honor God. Tell us a little bit about that and we'll do the next one. You know, honor God is the whole point of our lives, right? And how do we point that out? And one of the things I point out all the time is honor God. We were just talking about how you can change things to a negative that are a positive. One of those things is honoring the name of the Lord and not using the Lord's name in vain, right?

And a lot of people think that means saying G-O-D for something. Oh, G-O-D. I can't believe you just did that that's certainly not a healthy thing but that is not using the lord's name in vain using the lord's name in vain is actually something much more nefarious and something done all the time in the church and let me tell you right now i cannot tell you i speak all over the country how many people walk up to me and say the lord told me that you right how many times have i said i have a word from the lord i don't know this person i have a word from lord and my my first

response is what verse is it yeah but yeah people manipulate and use others with this business of putting things in the name of the lord that are not in the name of the lord and i'll keep i could keep going um people who come up with doctrinal points and say, well, God said this. Well, you shouldn't drink alcohol because when Jesus drank alcohol, it was really just grape juice. Well, maybe it was and maybe it wasn't, but you don't know that, right? So, using the Lord's name in vain is attributing things to God that God didn't say, right? And I use the example in Rise of the Sermon Kings on this. We talk about how somebody said they gossiped about another person or slandered that person. And they said, even Ken Harrison agrees with me.

Well, in fact, I didn't agree with him. His buddy called me up and said, hey, you agree. I said, actually, I don't. But he was using Ken Harrison's name in vain in that, right? Trying to give himself authority by attaching it to me. That's what we do to the Lord all the time. So honoring God, there's a lot I could go into on that. But rather than to preach the whole sermon, I just want to pull that one thing out.

Don't concentrate on the little easy, obvious G-O-D as a little euphemism. Make sure that you look at your heart and you're not using and attributing things to God that are not God. They're really you, your opinion, and maybe your opinion is true, but it's better to say in my opinion, or the way I read this passage or my life experience has told me, right.

But, but do not go around saying thus says the Lord. If he didn't say it, that makes you a false prophet. Yeah. Yeah. Kind of a name dropping that's out there, you know,

and, and, you know, I also look at it. My head's heard somebody say it, that makes you a false prophet. Yeah, yeah, kind of a name-dropping that's out there. And, you know, I also look at it, I heard somebody say once, we call ourselves Christians. You know, that really comes from kind of a combined thing of Christ's men, right? And Jesus said, why are you calling me Lord, Lord, if you don't do what I say. And so we can, by calling ourselves Christians, we don't really care what Jesus says. That's a way, I think, of taking God's name in vain. But, you know, there are people who deliberately do it. And I find that that, I've told the story to my audience before.

Karen and I, years ago, probably about 25 years ago, we went to see Penn and Teller perform. I saw them. Yeah, and they're funny, but at the end of his, kind of towards the end of the thing, after they'd been there for a while, he starts talking about language. He says, you know, I really hate it when people use the F word. They use it for every form of speech.

They use it as an adverb and an adjective and all the rest of that stuff. And he goes, it just makes you look stupid because you don't have any vocabulary. So I refused to use that. He says, I deliberately take the name of Jesus in vain because I want to blaspheme. I don't believe any of that stuff. And so my wife and I got up and walked out. But it was really very deliberate from him.

A lot of people don't realize that they're doing that. But I think, as you point out, this name dropping orpping or to say that, you know, I'm a Christ follower when you're really not, that really is a very serious thing, I think, that we need to look at ourselves and say, well, am I guilty of doing that in a different way? You mentioned your second promise is brotherhood. Tell us a little bit about that. Brotherhood is one of the things that we hear so often now is about we shouldn't let men get together unsupervised by women.

I didn't bring up a different church. There's another mega church that we've been having problems with right now that a bunch of major leaders have come together and said, we want you to go to this church. And the pastor of that church actually called me and said, I have a question for you yeah why aren't women allowed to promise keepers events uh because it's a men's ministry no because well i i just don't think that's right well i said let me ask you do you have women's gatherings women's oh yeah all the time so what

why do you have women's gatherings all the time and not men's gatherings why is it that you're only critical of men's gatherings well that's a good point well let me ask you this then why don't you have any women pastors preaching to the men so let me ask you a point why are you so obsessed on that yeah if we're if men talking to men like men why would i want a woman there because when when you put one woman in it changes how men behave men will be authentic you know you go to promise keepers event you'll see you guys falling on our faces tears. I mean, the stories that come out of these events have changed lives. But when there's a woman there, men feel like they need to change. Whether it's fair or not, I'm not saying it's fair. I'm just saying what it is.

It was amazing to me that in our culture, another thing is somehow men are not allowed to get together. there must be something going on in there that we don't know about it's amazing thing so you know again i'm taking these things on um you know in a small way but brotherhood is very important men need to get together with other men um and just hang out as we talked about a little bit and sometimes women don't totally understand that but i think when you put it the other way one of the things i teach people i was just asked this the other day gee i've been married for 33 years what's the secret to having a great marriage and i said well i got 30 seconds to answer that question i will just say empathy

empathy is the number one thing put myself in the shoes of my wife and say how does what I just say sound to her right or anybody else but in in sake of marriage this thing here too for women to think well when women get together and and have tea whatever it's all no big deal um same thing with men and women need to stop and just go you know what for my husband to get together with godly men and go golfing and go fishing those are important things because this is how men sharpen each other is by doing things together so brotherhood is incredibly important and again the lies of satan in the world are trying to keep men from getting together because if they do they just might plot how to make the world a better place that's great i love that integrity another promise integrity um that is at the heart of

man what will i compromise we talked about what's a conviction what's a strong preference will i give all for the truth you know that revelation 21 8 has a list of eight sin it says if you are typified by these sins you are not saved it literally says here's eight sins if you're an adulterer a murderer a sorcerer an idolater all liars will for sure have their share in the lake of fire that burns forever never I I left the first one out you know what the first one on that list is that's pretty shot cowards cowards cowards is the thing that god says i'm going to start this list off of people that shows for sure you're not a christian coward that doesn't mean if you've committed a cowardly act because i think we all have yeah if it defines you just

like lying you know if it's defined yeah so integrity because so much of a lack of integrity comes from cowardice right i even say it's funny because the list starts with cowards and ends with all liars well liars and cowards are kind of the same thing i mean why do most people lie because they're cowards right yeah they're trying to create something that's not really true about themselves because they're afraid of something somewhere integrity is i will not depart from the truth no matter what the cost and that takes great courage courage is again one of those things all these are the things we I will not depart from the truth, no matter what the cost. And that takes great courage.

Courage is, again, one of those things. All these are the things we can define. They mean something. I know what it means to be pious. I know what it means to be generous. But courage is sort of this all-encompassing thing. What is courage? And courage is integrity.

It says, I will not bend, no matter the cost. What's that going to take? And I define courage and daring, faith in the coward of the world as refusing to compromise no matter what the cost is. Whereas cowardice is not doing the right thing because of fear for something. Because we're all afraid. And the guy that that that charges the machine gun nest in the middle of a war he's terrified yeah he just does what needs to get done that's right yeah that's a great definition uh family talk about that what what is the promise of family malachi chapter three um people like malachi. What is that? Malachi is one of my favorite books in the Bible.

If you have a chance to read Malachi, it's the last book of the Old Testament, and it's absolutely fascinating. I preach whole messages on Malachi, but in Malachi chapter 3, God says, I hate divorce because, because why? Because I'm jealous for godly offspring. Family is the most important thing you can do as a man of God is to raise godly kids, to pass it on to the next generation. There's lots of things that we have to do. I'm not minimizing other things, but I am saying that being, Coach McCartney, who started Promise Keepers, used to say,

most loving thing that a man can do for his kids is love their mother. That's a hard statement, especially if you're divorced or you had problems. But literally, the most loving thing you can do for your kids is to love their mother. A godly man needs to be dedicated to his family because this is the building block of the church of community. If you have a strong family with godly kids, with a happy wife because, you know, she's cherished by her husband. Another free advice thing I'll give on family and marriage because I get asked about this a lot.

The number one complaint you get from men is what? In marriage, a lack of intimacy. Then there's money and there's in-laws. Those are the three big things. But the lack of intimacy is number one by far i tell guys absent a whole long thing to tell them usually a lack of intimacy is because your wife doesn't feel cherished if your wife feels cherished that means she feels safe protected she is the the apple of your eye i'm telling you it has a massive effect on the intimacy level of the marriage that's fantastic yeah that's fantastic great advice of serving serving it's an amazing thing

um the godliest person is always the one who serves the most not the one who rules the most and we really have power wrong we look at jesus Christ, right? So we have the ultimate power. Jesus said, I can call down angels and wipe all these people out right now if I want to. But instead, he lowered his head in humility, and he says, that's the person I'm going to elevate in the last days. See, Ephesians chapter 3 says that it's a fascinating verse that I'd read a million times. A friend of mine, Tim Dunn, points out to me one day. I'm like, how could I not have seen that? It says that God is teaching the full extent of his wisdom to the powers and the authorities in the heavens from the church, which is you and me, David. Now, what world do you or I have to teach the angels that have run for millions of years?

What's the one thing, what's the one experience that we have that they don't have? We live life by faith. This is our one chance. This lifetime that we have, the Bible says that the angels look on us with fascination. They can't understand it. They see things as they really are. We see things as through a glass darkly, it says. I think it's in James. So this is the one chance we have to make a massive impact for the rest of our lives

What will we do today? And this is why it's so important to not be tied into what does the world think? What's the world's opinion? Truth is eternal It's not dictated on what the United States of America's culture happens to think It's dictated on what does God say at the beginning and the foundations of time This is truth I have a

very strong conviction on gravity and therefore you won't find me walking up to a cliff and jumping off right do i have that same conviction on the trust on the promises that the lord jesus made in the bible frankly no i don't i have a lot of faith compared to most people but jesus isn't comparing me to most people it's comparing me to the truth of heaven how far am i in that conviction could you or i be like saint jerome being barbecued and singing songs and going i can't wait to get to heaven because man is my reward gonna be great yeah not that i don't know that i ever will be but i sure am striving towards that so oh that's that's fantastic uh number six unity unity really a lot

of that goes around racial reconciliation which is um something that promise keepers was really big in the 90s promise keepers actually kind of the originator of diversity and all this bringing different races together um i do think like we talked about earlier it's one of those things that can become a god it can take over where you're at. If you're saying, I'm just going to love a black man today because I'm white, well, that's not going to do anybody any good. Is it coming from the heart of Christ? So unity is about unity in every aspect.

If you look at our board, you started to mention our board of directors, and Randy Elkhart's on our pastor's board, i've known randy for she's 45 years um i've tried to get him on when i reached out to him last time his wife was dying of cancer and i certainly understood he wasn't doing interviews at that point in time yeah he's a good good guy but if you look at our board you know we have senator lankford who's a baptist pastor before he became a U.S senator and we have um uh Sam Rodriguez who's a Pentecostal pastor and we have you know Pentecostals Baptists everybody around we're unified around the cause of of what we've been talking about not around doctrinal differences and we have great doctor differences I mean Sam Rodriguez and I um we've we've had some two-hour

rate great debates on different doctrinal issues and we love each other and there never is anger so unity is around racial unity about understanding you know other people have different experiences it's also understanding theological differences it's okay to disagree it's okay if you believe in speaking in tongues

and I don't it's okay if you're pre-trib and I'm post-millennial and all those things these are things just to sharpen each other and have good conversations on. I just had a pastor of a small church, but very intellectual. He gave a great podcast on post-millennial,

which is something I really didn't understand. Called him up. Explain that to me. Here's how I see it. He said, well, here's how I see it. He'd studied and we had a great conversation for an hour and a half around those issues. We need to come to each other in humility, but in unity and say,

boy, you see this differently than I do. I really want to learn from you. And I did have that majorly controversial issue in the church. And I went to a main, a huge pastor and I sat down and I said, look, you believe this and I don't believe that.

And I don't understand why you believe it. He goes, you really want really want to have this debate i go i don't want to have a debate i want to learn from you i want to think that way because maybe i'm missing something and after two hours i realized i wasn't missing anything but but this is this is the spirit with which we need to come together as christians sure sure yeah you're you're not compromising on truth, but you want to understand where they're coming from and have that discussion. Promise seven, the final one here, obedience. Well, isn't that the foundation of everything I've just said, isn't it? I mean, in your letter, Jesus said, if you love me, keep my commandments. I was in a major meeting of megachurch pastors, like 40 of them,

and we were all sitting around on something, and I was invited. I don't know why I was invited, but I'm sitting there, and somebody was reading from Luke and one of the pastors, and I realized afterwards most of these were really liberal megachurch pastors, and he said, I don't believe in that Jesus. He said that Jesus was mean, and my Jesus was never mean. So I said to him, well, it says in Luke, you know, Jesus said, I came to set the world on fire and how I wish it was already a light. That sounds pretty mean to me. And Jesus said, well, I choose not to believe in that Jesus.

And I said, well, if you don't believe in that Jesus, then you don't believe in Jesus. You believe in an idol called Jesus. And I think that's where we're at today, is a lot of people don't actually know jesus they don't know who he is they have invented a god in their own heads and they've slapped the name jesus on them because if you read the gospels you'll see jesus was extremely confrontational around truth never around frivolous issues god said to jeremiah if you speak noble words and not worthless ones, you will be my spokesman. So it is as a Christian, we will be in confrontation all the time.

It's upon us, though, to speak noble words and not worthless ones. It's not about whether we're getting in screaming arguments about who belongs in the national championship, is it Oregon or is it Alabama, or whether there should be a border wall. But we do be very diligent about all the issues we've talked about today. If you love me, keep my commandments. That defines a man or woman of God. Well, I tell you, there's a lot of wisdom in what you've had to say here. And I'm sure there's a lot of wisdom in your book,

A Daring Faith in a Cowardly World. And I will be picking that up. And it's available at Amazon and everywhere the books are sold. I'm assuming that it's at promisekeepers.org. And you've got a website as well. Tell us the address of your website. I had it here, but I lost it. Where can people find you in particular?

KenRHarrison.com. Ken R. Harrison. Okay. Yeah, there's a whole lot of ken harrisons out there one of them is a gay porn writer so don't don't go okay that would not be me so remember r r that's the one you're going to go to and someone who's had you've had so much experience as a as a ceo of international company a marine a police officer. But I think that probably, I don't, you are definitely suited for what you're doing right now with Promise Keepers.

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because i got a lot of people who are concerned about contaminated blood whether you're talking about transfusions and being able to stockpile your own blood or other things like that. Even to the extent you've got the world's first unvaccinated dating service now launching in Hawaii. People understand the issue here and they're looking for some solutions. And so I wanted to get an update to that. But last time when I talked to Liz, she also talked about how she was very involved in raw milk. And that is also something that's very important.

So I wanted to talk about that, the adulteration to our food supply. So joining us now is Liz James. Her organization is Blessed By His Blood. Tell us what the website is for that. Good morning. It's just www.blessedbyhisblood.com. Okay, good, good. And so tell us how this is going right now. Where are you right now?

And are you working to try to get some legislation through in various places to have a right to make decisions about blood, your own blood, and what's going to happen in an operation or an emergency? Yes, sir. So the legislation that we've started actively working on, it's actually kind of interesting because designated donor or directed donor blood or autologous blood, which is meaning giving yourself your own blood if you have enough time to do so, both of those things are currently legal and have been around for decades. You know, when I was in my, I think, very early 20s, I had a minor surgery that, you know, every time you have a surgery, they say, well, there's always a chance you might need blood. And so my mom and my brother both donated on my behalf back, you know, this was 30 something years ago and so and they but they've been doing this for just years and years and years and years however um it is coming to our attention that a lot of a lot of hospitals are starting to deny patients the right to do this yeah and which is another stab at um taking away medical freedom. Right.

That's right. So so our approach is this. We're just trying to defend our medical freedom and basing that on the 14th Amendment, Section one, where we have this is part of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. There's not anything specifically in the Constitution that addresses medical freedom because that's part of the, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. There's not anything specifically in the Constitution that addresses medical freedom because that's part of the 14th Amendment. The other thing is it there was a 1990 Patient Self Determination Act. And that act protects the patient's right to do and say and request and have the authority of what does and does not occur in their own body. So that's something that when somebody is denied directed donor use or autologous donation, that's something that is not being respected. The third thing is there's an internationally held, and again, religious freedom, there's an international law that protects a patient's personal, or not a patient, anybody's religious freedom and personal belief system.

So that's another personal right that is being trampled on. So all worse than good. I know that in Europe, I talked to a guy who was in Switzerland, and he was saying it's getting impossible for people to use their own blood or to have donors, people that they know, people in their family, set aside blood if they know, people in their family set aside blood if they know that an operation is coming up. So we have these things that are on the books, you know, the constitution, laws in Europe,

and yet they're being disregarded in many ways. So it's important for us to strengthen that, isn't it? You know, and I'll bring this up. I mean, and George and I have been working together, his organization, SafeBlood, which is international versus the United States. The United States actually has the strongest constitution in the world, right? I mean, it's a constitution that's been upheld for much longer than any other country's constitution. And the more that we allow it to be chiseled away, the closer we get to being like these other countries that are having so many difficulties.

And the United States has, while he's having more difficulty in these other countries, the United States actually, even though we're having difficulty, there's less difficulty. And there are lots and lots of doctors who are standing beside us and saying, we will write for the order. Now the problem is happening more so in the hospital, in the actual hospital where they're saying, well, we won't do this.

Because hospitals are being more and more driven by large corporations, a consolidation, and they're being driven by the accountants and that type of thing. I had a listener who just... Yes, insurance companies. I had a listener who just sent me something, I think it was last week, said that he had to go in, he had a heart issue, and he

said the hospital nurse said, would you like to set aside your blood in case we have to do an operation at some point in the future? He was okay. He was taken out, but they offered that to him to store his own blood. So he was excited about that. Gave us the name of the hospital. There are some hospitals out there because not all the hospitals have been subsumed into these giant corporate structures where they have a big network and then become all about money only.

And that's exactly the type of hospital we're looking to work with is, is the ones that are not corporately owned and are willing to work with the patients, um, on a, on a basis like that. And they are definitely out there. I mean, we've, we, um we um had even though we're not officially up and running our soft launch is March 1st um but we have already done we did one match already and we were able to do that successfully in the Chicago area so and that's and that's just with people who you're talking to people who have reached out to us expressing an interest. We were able to find donors for this young family in need in the Chicago area. So that's good.

That's great. Yeah, it is interesting. I talked about this earlier. There's a study that just came out talking about how they have verified that they find MRNA in blood 28 days later. Dr. Peter McCullough has talked about it being found much later than that. And so this is not a theory. This is not a conspiracy theory. These are studies showing that this stuff persists.

That's a whole other issue with the vaccines. But the reality is that it is there. There's a contaminant. We all know what the mRNA does in terms of creating the toxic spike protein that accumulates in your body that damages organs and all the rest of the stuff. So it is very important that we do have that kind of clean blood. And we know that the blood supply is not being screened for that, right? Very much so. And you may have seen, too, in the last couple of weeks, they've released some of the restrictions they had on blood donation, which makes it become all that much more interesting. They're one of them. I believe that mad cow disease has been taken off as a as a problem. Number two, they've taken, it used to be gay men could not donate. Now,

if they're in a quote unquote monogamous relationship, you know, that- How do you screen for that at the Red Cross, right? Right. Well, and that's an interesting thing because, I mean, no matter if there's a homosexual relationship or a heterosexual relationship, you can never speak for the other party, right? That's right. So there's that to deal with. if a transgender individual comes in and says that they are well if they're a man and they say that they're a woman they have to be identified as a woman and therefore that's an issue because then there's no there's i guess there's no screening for whatever on that knowing that

four out of ten um transgender men, would test positive for HIV. So yeah, because as we see, it's all part of the, uh, uh, the drag queen story time hour, what people are finally starting to come to their awareness about that. It's a very, you know, as, as one person said, Hey, look, uh, heterosexual moms, I'm a conservative, but I'm a drag queen. And let me tell you, this is a highly charged community in terms of drugs and sex and all the rest of the stuff. And that's going to show up in the blood supply.

Yeah, that's absolutely right. I guess maybe some of these people could come in and they could say, um, I'm, um, I may be a type a according to what your test is, but I identify as type B and you better put me down as that. You never know you never know i mean it seems like yeah anything anything is possible apparently in politics and in industry right that's right uh well let's talk a little bit that's good so the the organization is blessed by his blood and you're about to go live in March. And is it.com? Is that what you said?

.com? .com, yes, sir. Okay. So blessedbyhisblood.com is about to go live in March. You've got legislative issues where you're trying to uphold our freedom to have informed consent to use our own blood or blood of people that we know, and it's not something we should take for granted. Uh, because when you look at what is being done in, um, the medical profession now, it's all being politicized and, uh, it's a, it's a very dangerous situation. So we have to start to fight for our rights of medical freedom and choice, but

let's talk a little bit about food. Uh, because last time you were on, uh, you talked about, um, you know, your involvement with raw milk. And, of course, it's something that's been going on for quite some time, as there's all these different regulations that some places will allow it to some degree, but they have restrictions even in the most liberal places. I know back in Texas when we were living there that you could buy raw milk, but they had to be very careful about how they sold it. You had to go to their place. They couldn't, you know, you couldn't buy

it in the supermarkets. They had to go to the farm or you had to be part of a cooperative. That's the way it operates in some States and things like that. So what has your experience been with the raw milk battles? You know, it's, I think I should first give give my a little bit of my backstory on how I found raw milk, because it's it really is pertinent to the conversation. You know, being being trained classically as a pharmacist, you know, one of the things that they talk about is is food safety. Right. So I when I graduated from from pharmacy school and and in addition to that i have a degree in animal science as well so again we were trained the same in animal sciences as well because that involves food science and when i about 10 years after I graduated from pharmacy school and I was, I was in practice, I had a little accident on a farm here and I ended up breaking my wrist and I had a cast

on my, on my wrist. I went back to work, just had the cast on my wrist. And I had two women come up to me independent of one another over the, over the course of a couple of weeks and say, oh, you have a broken bone, you really should look into drinking raw milk. And the first woman that said that, the back, you know, my little voice in my head was like, oh, she doesn't know what she's talking about. Raw milk is dangerous. You know, the second woman, you know, i believe that's the holy spirit when when you get affirmation confirmation from a second independent source that's something you really need to look into

and so i was like okay that's you know two messages that i need to look into this and so i did a little digging and i found a book called The Untold Story of Milk by Ron Schmid. I don't know, it was probably written in the 80s and started, I read it and it reads like a textbook and that led me to read a couple other books and by, but by the time I was done with The Untold Story of Milk, I had no doubt in my mind that we, the consumers, had been buffaloed by the American Dairy Association and the food industry in terms of milk. And it's quite an interesting story when you get into it. And I think you can never take a policy without first understanding the history behind the policy and how it how it got there and so how did we end up with homogenized pasteurized milk

you know how did that actually come to pass right so a little history on that when when people started migrating to the United States and they started settling in large cities, you know, Chicago, Detroit, New York, all these big cities, they were living in tenement housing, the majority of them, you know, because these are poor people fleeing their country or looking for a new, better life and ending up in these, like, basically slums. And the first thing that happens when you're in a slum situation is there ends up being a lot of despair and depression, right? And if you read any sort of history in that time period in that environment, you'll find there's a lot of alcohol, right? I mean, because alcohol is used to escape and erase what's going on, you know? And so there were distilleries all over these large cities making, you know, making a killing on alcohol. But they were bringing in grains to make the alcohol, right?

Well, somebody got the bright idea of why don't we bring the cows into the city? So they bring cows into the city and have these indoor cow dairies slash feedlots that are inside buildings right next door to the distilleries with holes in the wall. And so after the grain is used, the mash is left over from making the whiskey the bourbon whatever then the mash is shoveled through the wall so they don't have to go on trains to go to cows or wherever and these cows that have no sunlight no grass know, that are living in filth in dark, unlit buildings are eating the eating the mash, which is not a healthy product, and they shouldn't be eating grains like that. Anyway, and so, and then they were using those cows, milking those cows to give milk to the people. So as far as the people who were doing all of this, it was a win-win situation in terms of making quite a bit of money. For the people who were

on the receiving end, the people who were living in the slums and the tenements, not so much so. I mean, they were drinking milk that was very unhealthy, because the cows were not healthy themselves. They weren't in an environment that was healthy. And so Louis Pasteur, of course, and people were getting sick from the milk, rightfully so, because the milk was not healthy. And Louis Pasteur came out with the pasteurization. And of course, that's a whole nother topic about, you know, Pasteur versus Beauchamp, right? You're probably aware of that. We won't go down that rabbit hole.

But pasteurization, they started pasteurizing the milk so that people wouldn't get sick. Well, when you pasteurize milk, it does get rid of the bad bacteria. And in situations like I just described, that's not a bad thing because there is bad bacteria in unhealthy cows. However, if you have a healthy cow that lives outdoors in the sunshine is drinking fresh water, eating good clean grass, etc., you have milk that has the ability to, if you were to introduce a bacteria into a quart of milk, if you were to introduce bad bacteria in a quart of milk and then go back and look for that bacteria later, you would not find it because the enzymes and the antibodies in that milk digest it and protect and keep the milk clean and healthy. So, you know, we have, we have the ability to do that, right? The other, the disadvantage of pasteurization too,

is that when you heat up milk like that, you destroy the enzymes. You just destroy the good enzymes that we are all, we all need. We should all be eating enzyme rich food. You're causing a tremendous drop in the vitamin C content of milk, of vitamin B6 and vitamin B1212 that drops dramatically when you start heating up milk like that you also change and this is very important you change the physical and chemical state of calcium and other minerals that are in that milk and which makes milk less valuable as a food you know yeah oh yeah so you know you're talking about this, and I'm thinking of the giant pig skyscraper that they're building in China. It's called a pork scraper, you know?

But, you know, just think about that. As we were talking about the implications of that, you know, putting pigs in a giant skyscraper, you know, what could possibly go wrong? You know? They were never meant to live like that. I know. I know. And that kind of reminds me, you know, when you're talking about what happened in Chicago, that's kind of the early stages of big corporate food production today where they don't really care what goes into it.

I was early in the program. I talked about the fact that the FDA has approved all these heavy-duty chemicals that have been identified in other countries as carcinogenic, and they said, we don't care. So it's allowed in our bread. It's allowed in our food. And maybe they put it in because they want to try to strengthen or to stabilize dough so they can work with it better with their machines in terms of processing it. They don't care what the health effects are. And the FDA gives them a pass on all of this stuff. And that's really, you know, when we look at how the FDA has handled drugs,

they're just as bad with the food stuff as well. I totally agree. And, you know, we were in Europe several years ago, and we went into a store that carried Americanized products, and it was very interesting because even things like, you know, Fruit Loops. You looked at the Fruit Loops in Holland, the dyes were natural dyes, like on the box. But if you look at the Fruit Loops in the United States, you know,

it's red dye, number four, you know. Yeah. We look at Mexican Coke, right? They use, instead of high fructose corn syrup, they use regular sugar. And then they've got it in a glass bottle instead of an aluminum can and on and on. You know, it's like we get the worst of everything. But it's also the cities, like you're talking about there in Chicago. It made me think of what Thomas Jefferson said about cities. He said, they're a threat to the health, the wealth,

and the liberty of man. That's right. That's right. I, you know, I think one of the most impactful books I read in high school was The Jungle by Upton Sinclair. Oh, yeah. And that really, that book really emphasized the plight of these immigrants and the terrible situation that they lived in, in this tenement housing. It was just awful. So, but back to the milk, when you have, you know, so you have pasteurized milk. And so then they, the benefit of that is then they could sell rotten milk, really. I mean, they could sell milk that was full of, you know, pus and just really awful things that raw milk, you know, you can't do that with raw milk. But with pasteur you know you can't you can't do that with raw milk um but with pasteurized you can so you you've increased your you don't have to throw anything out right that's right so so there's that well here's the problem and it also has a longer shelf life well as these milkmen were

taking milk around to all the women all the housewives and women the the cream would as it settled on the top that's one of the way housewives judged the quality of the milk the color the texture how old the milk was because you know anything about about milk and you let the cream rise to the top if it sits there for a couple of days even if it's even if it's good it will turn into like a cheese product almost like a thicker product so you can really tell the age of the milk by the cream that's on top well the housewives say i don't want this milk it's got it's old milk you know and and so they invented the hot homogenization product process and the homogenization process is an interesting thing because

people are people say well if if my milk is flash pasteurized but not homogenized is that okay to drink and my answer is no to that because there's something that happens to the milk molecule as well in the homogenization process. And in the homogenization process, they shoot whole milk through these little stainless steel tubules

at a very high rate of speed and it flips a leg on the milk molecule. And so in that in that process then the cream no longer rises to the top right so now those housewives cannot tell how old the milk is because it's it's scattered throughout the the milk so they got nothing to go by other than the date on the carton yeah which is where we live. Right, and that's the expiration date, not the date that it was retrieved from the cow, right? Right. But in the homogenization process, when you have that flip with the molecules or the leg on the molecule,

it literally changes the structure of the milk molecule, which makes it turns it the original milk molecule is actually cardio protective and actually prevents the plaque buildup in your arteries and veins. And when, when you have homogenization of milk, it does the opposite and it causes inflammation in the arteries, which caught then causes plaque to start forming. And so it actually with a homogenization, it actually creates not just a neutral product. It actually creates a dangerous product. Yeah. Wow. That is amazing. Yeah. It's, it was fascinating to me and I was like, oh my gosh, this is, this is incredible. Um, you know,

and mind you, I'm learning, I was learning all of this before I ever even jumped into the truth about big pharma. As I, as I started to do, this. This was literally my gateway into learning the truth about the relationship between food and big pharma and then later insurance and other things as well, and how it all ties in together. And these big industries just feed each other with no regard to the consumer. Yeah, you know, it's interesting. If we look at it, a lot of people, of course, raw milk is very expensive. But if you think raw milk is expensive, take a look at what your doctor charges

or what the pharmaceutical companies charge when you get a problem with something. So instead of having something healthy, you can have something that is cheap and is going to endanger your health. That's really where we are. And there's a political aspect to this as well. There was an article that I just saw, and it was from actually PirateWires.com. I don't know how I found this. But it was talking about milk wars and how this has become a real fight, a real contention.

You can see this in the Netherlands. First, they're coming for the cows, right? They want to shut down the cows, and then they're going to come for the rest of the, that's their point of attack at the dairy farmers. And they're not coming at it because it's a factory farm or because it's not healthy and we don't want to have homogenization and pasteurization. They're coming at it because, you know, we're going to put you on something that's completely synthetic, that we completely control.

And so in a way, there is a very important political dimension to this in terms of milk wars. If we can push back against big pharma, big food, and the FDA on this raw milk thing, that's going to be a big win to protect our food supply, isn't it? Yeah. You know, and these wars have been, the fight for food freedom has been going on for a long, long time.

I mean, I've been involved with Weston A. Price. I'm sure you're familiar with that organization and the Farm and Ranch Freedom Alliance. Price. I'm sure you're familiar with that organization and the Farm and Ranch Freedom Alliance. That's another one for lots and lots of years. And it's so very important. And like you, I started out, I found a raw milk source and we bought, we stood in line and bought raw milk at drop-off locations for probably five or six years. And then we ended up getting our own cows. So I, because, you know, I was concerned about, you know, what if they ever take this away from us, then what?

And, and in other states they have, I mean, for goodness sakes, it's legal to have marijuana in Colorado, but illegal to have ramen. So, I mean, they've got our best interests at heart, don't they? I mean, they just, it's, it's just, it's just amazing. Um, how, how insanely stupid it is. What is the situation, uh situation over the various states? I mean, you have a general idea of what percentage or number of states allow raw milk, and is there any place where they are really kind of laissez-faire about it, or is it always under some sort of restriction and control? Well, it's interesting um i haven't looked at the states recently and

their the laws are constantly changing so there's been victories and there's been losses um i would say probably 20 of the states it's legal and then i could be wrong on that that's that's just a off the head guess based based on my memory. But then there's other states where it's legal, but very, very, very, very restricted. Interestingly, California is one of those states. I was listening at a conference in December, and they said, well, you know, you can buy raw milk at a grocery store, but it's only one very, very, very, very large farm. And authorized.

Yeah. Kind of what you're seeing in a lot of these places where they quote, unquote legalized marijuana, they'll have incredibly high taxes and it'll be restricted to their friends who are in the business. Correct. For the small person, it's still not feasible to do. And then there's other states that you can sell raw milk for pet consumption only, quote-unquote. And what you do in your own house is your own business kind of thing.

Yeah, we've got lots of dogs. I mean, I don't know. I haven't looked at the laws here in Tennessee. I have a friend who has a farm, and he's got a friend who's got raw goat milk, and that's really good stuff. But I haven't looked to see if we can find raw cow's milk here yet. I don't know what the laws are here. So in case that's against the law,

that's just a hypothetical. I was just talking about that. Well, you know, the other interesting thing about cow milk is there's, maybe you've heard the discussion on it. It's, you know, A1 milk versus A2 milk, the genetics of milk. No, I haven't heard that. What is that? What is the difference? So in genetics, of course, there's A1, A1, A2, A2, and then there's A1, A2. And A1 milk is, in people who understand milk, in terms of raw milk, is considered inferior milk. And I shouldn't say in terms of raw milk. This is in terms of milk in terms of raw milk is considered inferior milk and i shouldn't say in terms of raw milk this is in terms of milk in general and the reason it's considered inferior is because there are some components of a1 milk and this this is milk that comes um from the let's see comes from cows in predominantly in Canada the

United States New Zealand Australia and northern Europe those those are predominantly a1 but to take it a little step further it tends to be the the Holstein cows that are a1 the which is the predominant milk, the black and white cows. That's the predominant milk found in commercial milk. Because they're big producers and they can get a lot out of these cows for their money, right? So we should have a take on the chick-fil-a sign we should have the black and white cows eat more drink more a2 leave me alone yeah well kind of kind of so the jerseys and the jerseys and guernseys which are the the like the brown cows that you see

those tend to they're not always but they tend to be the A2A2 genetics, which is the good genetics for the milk. Now, here's the interesting part. These, if you are drinking A1A1 milk, aside from the pasteurization and the homogenization, which they can do to A1 or A2 milk, it doesn't really matter. You get the same effects on those. But with A1 milk, you are aggravating conditions such as heart disease, type 1 diabetes, autism, schizophrenia, allergies, intolerance, autoimmunity or autoimmune situations, etc. So, you know, once you're look, once you start diving down the rabbit hole of milk, you're like, Oh, okay. So I want to drink raw milk, but then I want to find an A2A2 producer for the most, for the healthiest milk. And interestingly, I just pulled this up a few days ago.

There are a couple of companies that are now selling, it's called A2 milk. And like even Walmart and Costco, you can find, it'll be labeled as A2 milk. Really? So yes.

Now, if you're going to buy, you know, commercial milk, that's better than, I mean, it's still pasteurized and homogenized in that form, but at least it's a healthier for your genes milk. I've never ever seen that. I guess that's something like a an extra thing that they put on there saying you know if it's organic or something like that but say i've not seen that yeah you might um now that now that your your mind is aware to it your eyes might see it when you're in the grocery store that's interesting yeah you know i've talked to in

the past i remember one case I interviewed the guy at length. He was someone who did not start out in a family farm. He came to it later in his career because he wanted better food and things like that. And he started raising, he was in Michigan, and he started raising a European brand of pig that could stay outside. It had hair. It wasn't hairless and you know but it was not a feral pig but by the laws of michigan he wanted to be outside because he wanted to have it you know um uh free ranging and things like that but the industry had set things up and said you know if your pig has has got isn't hairless and, you know, it's going to be labeled as a feral pig and we're going to destroy them. And so he was in this big fight with the state of Michigan and trying to shut him down.

His pork was not white meat. You know, it was like the other white meat. Well, it wasn't white meat. It was red meat. And know, it was like the other white meat. Well, it wasn't white meat. It was red meat. And he said it tasted very different. It was very good. But again, that's another example of how big food will operate with big government to shut people down.

You know, it is. But now I think the dairy thing, as we look at, you've always had this collusion between big food producers and industrial producers working with government regulatory agencies to get rid of their competition. And that happens in every industry. You know, they regulatory capture and they use the government to get rid of their competition. But now we've got this other aspect of it, like we see now in the Netherlands. And at the forefront of all of that is the cows and dairy. And they want you to have zero dairy and zero meat and zero other things.

And so they're using dairy and cows. They're using that now that the environmentalists are using that to shut down farms in general. That's the tip of the spear. Yeah. You know, and you know what's interesting?, they're now they're making or they're wanting people to eat this synthetic meat, this fast growing lab meat. Yeah. Biopsy burgers.

I call them. Well, that's exactly right. That's exactly right, David. I was just going to say, it's like, imagine eating a tumor. Yeah. I mean, that's, that's, that's essentially what you're eating in this type of situation. Yeah, tumor kebab. Yeah, exactly, exactly.

Well, it's very interesting. And again, it just shows how much corruption there is. But it's at the forefront of all this and um and it is very foundational and uh you know as you point out you can go from something that is harmful to your health to something that is beneficial to your health i imagine uh vitamin d when they keep the animals and these uh the cows and these factory dairies they probably don't get too much sunlight so they probably don't have as much vitamin d in their milk either do they correct correct and you know for the for the rest of my story and this is where it gets really interesting too is um at the time of my accident when i broke my wrist i was 33 years old and i

was diagnosed with osteopenia i think i mentioned that in the first time we chatted and um and tell people what that is how is that different from osteoporosis or thin bones or fragile bones yeah osteopenia is the precursor to osteoporosis so it's basically i'm set up to be osteoporotic and at that time you know 33 is pretty young to have to be told that and i was told well you're probably just a few years away from needing to be on medication and and you know my pharmacist brain was like oh no I am NOT taking that medication which was one of the reasons I was interested in finding an alternative solution and and the looking in the beginning of the looking into drinking raw milk well fast forward to um 15 years when I was 48 I had an accident

and it was a pretty significant accident I nearly lost my left foot wow and um I was char I got charged by a bull and he hit me from the side um on the knee, threw me in the air. And when I landed, my tibia, which is the bigger lower leg bone, it came out. It had come out of my leg. Oh, compound. And well, here's the thing, David. The bone didn't break. It just came out of my leg.

Wow. So you took care of that osteopenia issue, right? Correct. Yeah. So it wasn't a compound fracture. It just came out. Wow. That's amazing.

Yeah. It just, and, and now the, the fibula, the little tiny bone on the outside of the leg that did break and i it did sever i did sever four tendons so i mean it was a it was a significant um injury but the fact that that tibia didn't break the the doctor was like for a hit like that for the bone not to break we need to do another bone density scan so So we went back 15 years later, I did another bone density scan. And at that time, you know, the, the lady who was doing the scan, she's like, I'm not a doctor. So I can't, so I can't tell you what your, what your scan looks like. She said,

but your bones are amazing. And, and she said, um, now what are you taking? And I said, I just drink raw. I just drink raw milk. Cause she's looking at my, at my history, right? My history, osteopenia. And, um, I said, I just drink raw milk and I do take magnesium too. And I'll, I'll touch on that in just a second. And she said, she said, well, she said, my eyes say that you're, you've got the bones of a healthy 18-year-old female. Wow. Wow. Yeah.

And that was. Doesn't have the side effects other than maybe a stray bull to drink raw milk than the medication does. What were some of the side effects of the medication if you'd been taking that for 15 years? So jaw necrosis, you hear about that all the time. If you go to the dentist and they ask you if you're on Fosamax or bisphosphonate, you've probably been asked that before. That's when your jawbone actually disintegrates. The same thing, it puts you at a higher risk.

It's kind of interesting. It puts you at a higher risk for hip fractures, but what you're trying to prevent is hip fractures. Yeah, exactly. You see that all the time with pharmaceutical drugs, right? You take it for condition A, and one of the adverse effects is that it increases condition A. And you look at an aging population and how important it would be for people to have something that's going to help them with osteoporosis or osteopenia or something like that.

Well, and not just that. Like if you're drinking raw milk, raw milk will actually help lower your total overall cholesterol. You don't want your cholesterol to be too low. But what happens is it will increase your HDL, your good cholesterol, and start decreasing your LDL conversely. And you don't want your cholesterol to be too low. I mean, people who have cholesterol under like 180, their total cholesterol, those are the ones who ends up in, in dementia units. So that's another, that's another topic for another day. But, um, yeah, people have been

able to help people with, um, uh, beginning stages of dementia by giving them things like coconut oil and things like that. So that's exactly, that's exactly right. I mean, we, our brains are 50% cholesterol. So imagine trying to deprive the brain of, of cholesterol and you can guess what will happen. Let's talk about, uh, you said, do you also supplement with magnesium as well?

So as raw milk and magnesium gave you, uh, you know, you went from osteopenia precursor to osteoporosis to having, as, uh, one lady said that the bones of an 18-year-old. Tell us about magnesium.

How does that do? So, you know, I'll preface this by saying not all magnesium is created equal. So, and there are different, like there's magnesium citrate, glycinate, malate, orotate, chelated magnesium. There's magnesium gluconate, magnesium oxide. Those two are my least favorite, and those, unfortunately, are two of the most commonly found ones in your mainstream nutritional centers. They're just not well bioavailable. The malate and glycinate is highly, are much more highly bioavailable. The citrate is also highly bioavailable, but it's more likely to give you diarrhea. I mean, that's what you take for a, for a prep. Some people need that because they're prone to constipation. And if that's the case,

that's not a bad magnesium to take. But here's the issue. We should have a calcium to magnesium ratio that is close to one to one in the body. And because our diets are so low but our diets are so low in magnesium there's just not in farm our current farming practices have stripped the soil yeah there's not enough magnesium in the soil therefore there's not going to be enough magnesium in in our vegetables which is where it predominantly comes from fruits and vegetables when we're and then of course there's the standard american diet where people are just eating junk right which certainly doesn't have magnesium in it we doesn't have any food in it yeah yeah exactly exactly but but there's a lot of fortification of calcium in the diet, even in junk food, where they put calcium in. And then if you remember, you know, if once a woman gets older, they're like, make sure you take your calcium chews or make sure you're taking your calcium. So, so you end up with a calcium to magnesium ratio that's closer to three to one

or four to one instead of one to one. And when that happens, then you actually have an increased brittleness of bones. Um, and you also have an increased, um, hardening of the vascular system calcification of the of the vascular system so so the goal is to get your magnesium in and get your ratio closer to one to one instead of this three to one or four to one that is um counterproductive and you know doctor you know i'm not a doctor i'm a pharmacist but but it is a travesty that people are are being told to take more calcium with no regard to taking magnesium they should be taking they should be taking magnesium first they're creating a problem or aggravating a problem that's already there by telling them to do more of something. They should be balancing it.

It's about ratios. It's not about. And that's why it's important if you get vitamin D to make sure that you're also taking vitamin K. Some vitamin Ds come with K as well. Because it can do the same type of thing. It can lead to calcification if you don't have the K with it. So the magnesium is very important. As you point out, tell us again the sources sources that you the forms of it that you think that you said citrate is good but it can cause you if you're if you are

unless you are predisposed to constipation it might uh cause some diarrhea what what are the other forms that you would recommend of magnesium my preference is like malate or glycinate. There's another one that if somebody needs to work on their vasculature, the Orotate is a good one. Occasionally, you can find magnesium products that contain Orotate, glycinate, and malate all in the same capsule or tablet, that's great. Because you're hitting the body in a little bit different way all the way around. So that's my preference. I personally would stay away from magnesium oxide, magnesium gluconate. I mean, I don't find them very helpful. You know, it's interesting.

I got a factoid here from this article talking about the milk wars. They said in 1945, Americans drank about 45 gallons of milk a year. Now they drink only about 11, most of it in their coffee. And they said that analysts are predicting that cattle farming will be obsolete by 2035. The reason they're predicting that, of course, is because that's what the globalists want. Yeah, they're pushing for that to happen. But again, I think it's interesting, and probably we could go back and see the rise of osteoporosis

in our society as well as we push these things out as we go into chemicals and adulterated food. Talk about what they're replacing it with in so many different ways is vegan milk. Soy milk, almond milk, cashew, all these different things. What is your take on those types of milk? Well, all of those milks are different, and so I can't really put them all in the same category. I mean, soy obviously is, is probably my least favorite number one, because it's genetically modified. Number two

is because it is, um, highly estrogenic and it's called a phytoestrogen. And, um, there is a reason we're i mean this is one of the reasons we're losing so many so much testosterone in our world um because we're we're um a lot of men their estrogen has gotten so high their testosterone can't compete yeah you know and and soy is just so pervasive now in our diet i remember years years ago when I would watch the news shows and Archer Daniel Midland was always talking about soybean, this and soybean that, I mean, they put it in everything. They put, they put it in everything and it's, and it's just not a healthy product. Um, especially in, in the quantity that we're exposed to now. There's, you know, nut milk. I mean, some people cannot drink regular milk.

I mean, that is true. I will say, though. Lactose intolerant, yeah. Well, yeah, but I will say this. I've had a number of, quote, unquote unquote lactose intolerant people in my house and I've served them a glass of milk and I have yet to have a lactose intolerant person be intolerant to raw milk. Yeah. Yeah. I've heard that before as well.

Yeah. So've heard that before as well. Yeah. So, so there is, so there is that, um, you know, we need the healthy fats that are in this kind of product, healthy, healthy milk, raw called this camel's milk that I understand is very, very good for kids with autism. So yeah, yeah. And there's a couple of farms and you can order camel's milk for kids with autism. That's very important. That's a real epidemic. As a matter of fact, we had a listener who, and I'll just mention his name again, Daniel Jeremiah. They're really struggling with their child, have been for years, damaged by vaccines, has autism. So he asked that we keep him in his prayers. But I had not heard that about camel's milk. I hope he hears this.

Yeah. Yeah. But back to the nut milk. I mean, I think it's always important to think about where the initial product came from. If things are not treated organically, any milk that you make is going to be concentrated. So if there were pesticides, herbicides, fungicides involved, you just got a hefty dose of all of the above, right? Yeah, that's true. So that's something to think about um and almonds from what i understand unfortunately even the organic ones

are sprayed with some sort of chemical because they have a problem with almonds across the board. So for that reason, I'm a little leery of almond milk in general. I guess my favorite or go-to would be oat milk or coconut milk. Well, that's interesting. And it really is the food wars in general and the milk war in particular is at the forefront of this. Did you see the study that came out a few weeks ago? I say study. I should say the fake news, but it literally is a study by Tufts University that put Cheerios ahead of all um, all beef patties in terms of, of, um, nutrition.

Yeah. Or maybe I think the best thing you could get would be a spoonful of Erios from Mike Tyson. We're talking about that now. He, there was, that was a joke about the Cheerios back when he bit the Vander Holyfield's ear. And now he's putting out pot candies and calling them Mike Tyson bites. So I guess that'll be the next thing they advertise as being good for you. It combines everything.

You've got the pot as well as kind of a Cheerio aspect to it. Yeah, that is amazing. It was probably paid for by General Mills, don't you think? Well, it actually was. It was paid for by several food companies. And that's the thing. That's the way they do it. Whenever I read a study, the first thing I do

is scroll to the end. And I look and see who paid for it. We've seen that over and over again. All the pharmaceutical companies, they've got three different pharmaceutical companies with competing products. They all do a study, and guess what? They're always the best and better than Brand X and Brand Y. Each one of them. They can rig it for sure. Thank you so much, Liz James. Again, blessedbyhisblood.com. Look for it. That's going to

be very important to fight for our purity of being able to get our blood as well as our food. Thank you so much, Liz. Appreciate it. Thank you, sir. ¶¶ © BF-WATCH TV 2021 Liberty. It's your move. And now, The David Knight Show. Kim Witzak. She is someone who has worked and had a lot of experience, and we're going to talk about her own personal experience, with SSRIs. And she's had a tragic experience in her life.

And she has worked very hard to try to make sure that this doesn't happen to other people. As she pointed out, um, uh, she had a, became an accidental advocate, uh, again,

for people to be informed about the risks and dangers of SSRI and many other, uh, drugs that are out there. Her site is WoodyMatters.com. Woody was her husband, and we're going to talk about that and about SSRIs. Thank you for joining us, Kim. Great. Thanks for having me. Thank you.

Tell us a little bit about, you said you became an accidental advocate. Tell us a little bit about your story and your husband's story. Sure. Well, I like to call myself the Accidental Advocate because I certainly did not choose to do this work, but sometimes our greatest life purposes choose us. So I was married, it was almost, it'll be 20 years ago this August, but I was married on August 6, 2003. I'll never forget the phone call that changed the trajectory of my life. My dad called to tell me that my husband, Woody, was found hanging from the rafters of our garage dead at

age 37. Woody was not depressed. Woody had no history of depression or any other mental illness. He had just started his dream job with a startup company and was having trouble sleeping, which is not really that uncommon for entrepreneurs. And so but what he did is, you know, I always call Woody the athlete who, you know, used doctors because they put him back. Humpty Dumpty, you know, they put him back. So Woody went and saw his GP, somebody he's trusted for a long time and was given a three week sample pack of Zoloft, which is an antidepressant for insomnia and said it would take the edge off and help him sleep. And yeah, it's really crazy. And when I look back and you know, I was out of the country the first three weeks he was on the drug um we both lived we had very successful careers I'm in advertising so I was out of the country it was

our busy time um in production so I wasn't even there when he first got put on these drugs and like I said the three-week sample pack automatically doubled the dose and um so that's really the story. But what, what could, you know, like, we never once and I'll tell you one thing that happened right before Woody's death. I came home and Woody walked in the back door completely sweat through his blue dress shirt, fell to the floor in a fetal position with his hands around his head like a vice. You got to help me. I don't know what's happening to me. My head's outside my body looking in.

And I remember like, yeah, it was really, you know, and at that point we'd been married for 10 years. I've never seen this kind of behavior. And we calmed him down. He called his doctor and the doctor said, you got to give the drug four to six weeks to work wow to kick in wow yeah give it time yeah it's amazing when you look at this and you look up the definition of ssri so selective serotonin reuphake inhibitors what you will see on the

internet they'll say well it's the first line of pharma pharmacotherapy for depression and other psychological issues due to its safety, its efficacy, and its tolerance. It's amazing that they can put this message out there after all the stuff that's happened. And I've talked in the past, Kim, to people who have just started collecting SSRI stories. They call it SSRIstories.net. They've got over 7,000 of those. And we're trying to get this information out there. You know, when we look at this and how destructive this has become, how people will commit suicide and how sometimes as part of that is mass murder.

We've seen that being a factor in many of the shootings that are out there. And yet the public doesn't really understand. And there's so much trust in the doctors and in the pills that people are taking. I imagine, as you talked about the dosages, when I've talked to the people at SSRIstories.net, they said where it gets really dangerous is when people are having negative effects and they decide that they're going to adjust the dosage, maybe even cutting it, not even taking more of it, but just changing the dosage one way or the other, more or less, can trigger these types of suicides or murder-suicide.

Correct. And it's like they always say, you know, we never, like you just mentioned, we never once questioned a drug because, you know, it's advertised safe and effective, given to him by his doctor and the FDA. And, you know, the most and at the time Woody's death, there were no warnings. So that became kind of our mission. And the night that Woody was found, the coroner gave us a gift. And I call it a gift because intuitively I knew like something didn't make sense. Like my husband who loved life, we just booked our 10 year anniversary trip

that he took his life. But she asked one simple question, was Woody taking any medication? And the only medication he was taking was Zoloft. And she said to us that we are going to have to take it with us. It might have something to do with his death. So they took the bottle of zoloft with her so that became clue number one ironically on the front page of our minneapolis paper

they had an article that said the uk finds link between antidepressants and suicide in teens so that was the same night which is you know i look back now and I feel like, you know, that was Woody's note because there was no note, right? And that became our mission and started to go out to DC. So what a lot of families don't realize is before this time, when we Googled Zoloft and suicide, we had no idea that the FDA had hearings in 1991 on the emergence of violence and suicide with Prozac and did nothing and every you know did nothing they never warned and they said to study suicidality the Eli Lilly never did you know the FDA never followed up and, here comes Zoloft from Pfizer, GlaxoSmithKline's Paxil, it gets approved for kids. And so that became our mission to get black box suicide warnings

added to these drugs in 2004 for kids, and then 2006 for adults. But you know, a lot of people don't aren't really aware of that, because, you know, they just assume, you know, our commercials. I mean, the whole thing is just, it is a very important topic that we must constantly keep in front of people like you're doing with this show. Well, yeah, you know, when we look at, you got on your site, Woody Matters, Woody was your husband's name, WoodyMatters.com. You have some interesting factoids and graphics that are there. You say that there are $19 spent on ads by the pharmaceutical industry for every $1 that they spend on research. That's pretty astounding. And, of course, that's the Ask Your Doctor commercials.

And those things really exploded in the 90s. That's when that first phenomenon started happening. I've talked many times about how we had not seen it. We moved to an area where we didn't have TV reception. Then we're traveling a few years after this stuff happened. We're in a hotel and we turn on the TV and it's like, wow, it's just one pharmaceutical ad after another. I've never seen anything like that before. But $19 worth of ads for every $1 they spend on research.

That's amazing. Yeah, it's a great, you know, that was a study that was done by a couple of researchers. And it's fascinating because it's not just, you know, advertising that we see on television, but it's all of this other marketing. You know, there's so much marketing and I, you know, have been, the interesting thing is I'm still in advertising and marketing. So I have a lens that looks at everything through the marketing and advertising lens. And, you know, it's the perfect, especially when you look at this, it's, you know, the drug commercial, then we've created all these side industries, and then we've created the advertising with the media networks. All of this influences that. But then you look at the, I could, you know, call it, like I said, the spider web, and it's all the trappings of marketing that doctors aren't even aware that they're being marketed to. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, it can be very, very subtle. It can be very overt. And what we saw with the opioid industry,

they were selling this as like the panacea for everything. Give it for every type of thing. Getting a lot of people addicted to it. And when they went back and they saw that, they saw how they were influencing doctors and spending so much money on vacations and even on hookers with some of them. It was amazing what they were doing with that and so you can all you can imagine that if the all the commercials that we see on television on cable news especially are just the tip of the spear you know how much is being spent with the rest of this stuff and we're free samples and all kinds of studies that they fund but of course that

all those commercials guarantee that the news agencies, the big news agencies on cable aren't really going to cover this topic. You talked about the fact that whenever the coroner was looking at your husband, Woody, and asked you, you know, what kind of drugs is he on? Oh, Zoloft. Okay, I'm going to take a look. Whenever we see some kind of a crazy mass shooting that has been for the longest time, what I try to get to, Oh, look, this person was under, um, you know,

psychological evaluation and under medication, but they won't say typically won't say what it is. They always still cover for the pharmaceutical companies. And if you dig far enough, you'll probably will find in almost all these cases that it is SSRIs or something like that that is a part of that, you know, it's part of this medication. But it's very interesting to see how many of these shootings has been involved with and how the press now doesn't like to mention that whatsoever. Yeah, you know, again, I go back to the simple question of where was he on any drugs, right? So that gave me another insight.

So every time there's a mass shooting, a lot of these shootings really started since the advent of antidepressants. And you look at whether there's a famous one that had the donald shell case down in kentucky and you know that they actually settled with um with the the company settled and so it became like so there wouldn't be a jury verdict um when the drug was on the trial right and so these guys have known about it for a long time it's a simple question i have always like one of the things that we've been out there advocating for is anytime there's a shooting we as the public um you know your hipaa rules no longer apply we need to know what medications it's again it does not say it's causation right but is there

a link is there a like a curiosity that we should be asking? We should be knowing what medications they were on. And their privacy doesn't really matter because we are all sitting ducks. And we should, as a member of the public, we should be demanding that our legislators are pushing for information or this kind of information or investigations when we do have big shootings, because we need to get, we need to get to the bottom of like, what's going on with this increase? Why are we seeing it? Again, I always say it's not causation, but is there a link? And we need to be curious. Yeah, they're going to great lengths to keep this manifesto from the shooter in Nashville under wraps. But I'd be as interested, if not more interested, in finding out what was going on with her, with the evaluation, the psychological treatment that she was undergoing.

What kind of medication was she on? We need to take a look at that as well as the manifesto. Tell us a little bit about this Donald Schell case that you referred to, where they settled. Donald Schell was in the 90s, and he was a factory worker, and he shot up some of the people. I think it was in Kentucky. I believe it was in Kentucky, Louisville. But anyways, the judge didn't know that there was a secret settlement. I actually just tweeted about it earlier in the month. But there was a secret settlement that It was just, I actually just tweeted about it earlier last, earlier in

the month, but there was a secret settlement that the judge found out about, but it really gave, it let the drug company off, which was Eli Lilly, because it was Prozac. They left, they let them off the hook. And, you know, one of the things I didn't mention as part of my, as I call battle for Woody, we had a lawsuit against a wrongful death failure to warn lawsuit against pfizer where we were able to get a bunch of documents out from under seal and there were some in there that like pfizer helped to create a prosecutor manual in the 90s now i just have to say why would a drug company help to create, or why would there need to be a prosecutor manual being helped for the, and it was called the Zoloft prosecutor manual,

to be used for any time somebody used the Zoloft defense, or the drug made me do it. Again, that's from the 90s. Then you go back, and it's really, I mean, it's really crazy. They really war-gamed this. They war-g this they war game all this stuff they war game all the different stories about what they're going to tell people you know about the warp speed vaccines and everything they've got it planned from the very beginning so they if somebody says that you know they were under the influence of zoloft here's what you do to take that away wow yeah again from the the 90s and then you know what a lot of people also don't realize is, you know, Prozac in Germany was never approved for a couple of reasons. Initially, risk of suicide, lack of

efficacy, and eventually it did get approved, but with a tranquilizer. Now that idea of with a tranquilizer never got translated to our US, right? And so, you know, that is what we have to remember. There's that whole agitation and akathisia, which is the side effect that can cause, you know, when Woody was having that head outside the body, or it's this extreme agitation, this extreme psychosis that actually Pfizer's chief medical officer wrote an entire article about akathisia and if people would get experience akathisia, quote unquote, his words, not mine, death may be a welcome result. And so that journal article is public, right? But what wasn't public and came out in my documents was a letter that the chief medical officer wrote to his salespeople that said the attached journal article is not suitable for general practitioners,

but maybe for neurologically inclined psychiatrists. Wow. And I was like, they intentionally kept the side effect of akathisia from the GPs. But, you know, 80%, 70%, 80% of these drugs are written by GPs and not by the psychiatrists. Wow. And akathisia, that was similar to what your husband, Woody, was experiencing with his mind outside of his body type of thing? Yep.

And it's like an extreme agitation. It's like where you just want it out. I just want it out. And that's the thing that they said death would be considered to be preferable for many people like that. And, of course, a lot of people, if you're having situations like that, and some people would alter their dosage for SSRIs because of physical things that were happening to them, right? Not just a mental thing that was happening to them. It might be doing other things to their body. And so they would adjust the dosage for that or get off of it. You weren't there when your husband committed suicide.

So you're not sure if he was having this akathisia and it was driving him nuts. Maybe he made the connection and just didn't take it. Maybe that could have sent him over the edge as well because it will exacerbate changing your dosage. This is an important thing for people to know. Changing the dosage can really trigger this thing and, you know, it's almost like taking an overdose for it. In many cases, even to reduce it a little bit. Tell people about the black box warning that is on these things that you were able to get put on, the FDA black box warning. So the black box warning is the most serious of all warnings. That means that there's some type of serious adverse event or death that can be associated with the drug.

It is literally in a black box in your paperwork that you get from the pharmacist. But more importantly, it is a conversation that your doctors should be having with us, the patient or the caregiver, at the time of prescribing. And, you know, there's also for kids, there's an FDA medication guide for parents that talks about the suicide, where the dangers are, also with some of the anxiety medications, how there's addictive, you know, qualities to them or that they're on the DEA schedule too. So these are all very, very important conversations. And you know, it's funny, I always say when people are like, well, everybody, you know, the media sometimes will say, everybody knows that there's warnings

on these drugs, they just have to put it on. I said, no, that's not true. If you like in 1991, I was a young kid. I didn't even know that the FDA was having hearings on Prozac and it was a big deal, Prozac and suicide and violence. Right. So in 2004 or 2006, when I was in the thick of advocating for those and out in DC, you know, almost every other week. If you were like these parents now, if they were kids, they didn't know anything about this, right? So I think it's one of those things that we have to constantly be reminding people. And, you know, just recently there was a study that looked at, that was done by Dr. David Healy and Peter Goetje out of Copenhagen.

And they got the data that was used to originally approve Prozac for kids. It's part of the reanalysis of the original clinical trial, and then they can look at what the data says and then compare it to what the journals say about the medication. Well, they just did and looked at Prozac approval that came out of using the MRHA, which is the UK version of the FDA regulatory body. And they reanalyzed it and looked at what the data said that was used to get approval and then what it looks like in the journal

and how it got reported. And they left out suicides. So they're actually calling for the journals to actually update their data because they've reanalyzed it. But it's funny looking at what we've seen in the last couple of years with just the COVID vaccines

and all of the censoring and and talking about it it we didn't have that same experience meaning we didn't have social media in the media environment when we were trying to get the antidepressant black box warnings but now i'm seeing anything to do with antidepressants uh especially around the shootings but also this re-analyzed study that just came out. The mainstream media has not touched it. And it should be one of those game-changing findings, this new study that is using old original data that was used to get the drug approved. So I feel like there's so many parallels between those two worlds, but we are living in a different world and, and we have to, like, at the end of the day, it's you

and I, the, the, the, the people who either are taking, or we have loved ones or that we need to be the ones questioning and pushing our officials. You know, I today sit on the FDA advisory board, the same advisory board that in 1991 didn't do their job and they all took money. So I have a very unique perspective also sitting on the psychopharmacologic drugs advisory committee, seeing how new drugs are coming to market using fast tracking and breakthrough.

So I think there's just a lot of, you know, the system is not really built to protect you and I. That's right. It's really protecting others' interests, and a lot of interests are at play when it comes to the medications that we take. And it's an unbelievable amount of money that is involved. You know, I mean, people are willing to kill for billions of dollars.

I mean, we've seen it. Certainly corporations are. But tell us a little bit about that experience that you have sitting in there on the FDA committee. And your role in that is as a consumer advocate. Tell us what you're seeing. You mentioned that they're speeding things up. And, of course, now we're seeing that as they come out with one new vaccine after the other, they have established this paradigm.

We heard Fauci talking about an October, 2019 at a Milken Institute thing. They said, you know, how do we get everybody to take a flu shot that we haven't tested? And he goes, well, we do it from the inside.

We do it with disruption and we do it iteratively. Well, they have now established a, a protocol where they can just run through all these tests without waiting for a decade, as they were talking about. We're seeing one vaccine coming after the other with mRNA without really any testing. Is that what is happening to the psychological drugs that you're looking at in your committee? How are they speeding that up there, or are they? Yes, they are. And so one of

the things that Congress kind of granted is something called a breakthrough. There's all the fast tracking mechanisms because, you know, back in the, I think it was the 80s with AIDS drugs. And you remember all the groups were saying, hey, it's taking you too long to approve these drugs, right? Yeah, it's taking too long. We got to make it faster. Right. So that was one thing with like, you is an unmet need. And so when there's an unmet need, that means that you can like bypass some of the, some of the more stringent or what I used to think were gold standards with our clinical trials. So a lot of the drugs that are coming before my committee, and I've been on it, I've just been extended till the end of next year, which I still laugh because I tend to be the only one that votes no. And it's a very interesting because I see it from a very different, like, it's not about just, I mean, market, you know,

to get these drugs, you got to remember what clinical trials are. The whole idea is that's, that is there because they want to get it on the market for marketing purposes right and so they can get it so you know it's about getting doing the data getting the best you know like a lot of the clinical trials don't even you know that aren't real world scenarios they're the best case scenario for something then you have and so that's one thing but then if you don't have sheer volume or numbers because like you know i had a couple of um drugs and i just actually it's an article that's coming out today it was the um rigsulti which is an anti-psychotic that's currently on the market but they want it the big unmet need right now is Alzheimer's, dementia, agitation.

And so they have been for years with the elderly been using antipsychotics. But, you know, they got the government cracked down on it because they literally have been killing elderly people regardless. And so this company, the drug is already on the market it's and they just got approval from the FDA and I was the only with the the data that they use was marginally beneficial for a patient there was no or I should say I almost think this was more for the caregivers or the nursing homes as opposed to the patient there were no patient you know satisfaction type you know where a lot of those drugs can um deaden somebody uh as well as then it also had a four times rate of death over the other the drugs but

this i was the only one that voted no and it it's amazing to me. And I really, you know, I leave these meetings often thinking, am I the only one that's seeing this? You know, am I the only one? You know, I'm like, why bother? I want to hit my head against the, you know, the concrete. Like, it doesn't make a difference. But here's where I do think, you know, at least I'm on record. I get to challenge the drug companies. I get to challenge the the drug companies I get to challenge the drug

the FDA officials and I come from a safety lens and I will always come with a safety lens because you know these drugs are coming to market really with smaller clinical trials and it ultimately is what happens when millions of people take the drugs. And then we start seeing, you know, the different issues happen, but, you know, Over time, over time. And as you point out on your website, I'd encourage people to go there, woodymatters.com. You say there have been no initiated drug studies by the FDA. They don't do the studies. It's the people who are going to sell you the stuff that do the studies, right? Exactly. I mean, that was shocking too. And then the other thing that I'll say that was also shocking to me when I got into this work, again, the accidental advocate

work, I would have assumed that doctors learn about how the FDA works and how this works in med school. But I found out they don't learn how the FDA works. That is not part of, and all of this critical thinking kind of things that you've got to be aware of, of the marketing, the ugly side that's behind the scenes. That's right. Just so that as a doctor, you can be a little bit more aware versus just being educated by pharma.

So the idea that they're not learning about it was shocking. The idea that, wait, the FDA doesn't do the trials? You mean you're doing it? And you are the one that wants to sell the product to me? Of course. We do this all the time in advertising. We know how to set up clinical trials. We know how to play play the game that's

right so anyways you see that all the time you'll have uh three different companies making a drug for the same thing at the same time right and they'll all run their own uh studies and they'll say well uh mine is better than brand x and y and then brand x and y will do it and their theirs will win as well they rig these studies so much It's such a rigged market and of course the real key is education and that's why what you're doing is so important. At WoodyMatters.com, thank you so much Kim. Kim Witsack, I'm so

sorry about what happened to turn you into an advocate, but thank you for being an advocate and thank you for being eyes and ears as to what is happening inside the FDA. We all need to understand what is happening with that. Thank you so much. Thank you so much for having me. Appreciate it.

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