The David Knight Show - Big Brother's Backdoor Bonanza: UK Judge's Shocking Order to Break Apple's Encryption Unleashes Global Spy Frenzy!

Episode Date: February 10, 2025

Apple is forbidden, under threat of prison, to even talk about what the UK government is demanding.  And with Five Eyes “fellowship of the dark side”, what is surveilled in Britain doesn’t stay in Britain. GoatTree joins to talk abouthistorical misuse of backdoors in technologypotential dangers of quantum computing combined with AIthe dark future of a "dead internet" where bots and synthetic data might outnumber human interaction (is it already a zombie?)how AI could manipulate human behavior, likening it to "digital crack."If you would like to support the show and our family please consider subscribing monthly here: SubscribeStar https://www.subscribestar.com/the-david-knight-show Or you can send a donation throughMail: David Knight POB 994 Kodak, TN 37764Zelle: @[e-mail] App at: $davidknightshowBTC to: bc1qkuec29hkuye4xse9unh7nptvu3y9qmv24vanh7  For 10% off Gerald Celente's prescient Trends Journal, go to TrendsJournal.com and enter the code KNIGHTMoney should have intrinsic value AND transactional privacy: Go to DavidKnight.gold for great deals on physical gold/silverBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-david-knight-show--2653468/support.

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Is there a happiness code to crack? From our relationship with technology to whether money can really buy you happiness, we'll hear from both real people and experts to demystify this thing we're all searching for and hopefully find ways to be happy enough. You can find happy enough wherever you listen to podcasts. And joining us now is Goatry. Good to have him on. He was a little bit slow to answer the phone because he said we showed up as telemarketers. Tell us a little bit about how do we look when we're giving you a call because we're doing an over-the-phone interview. How did it show up on your side?

Well, you know, we're going to be talking about this lunatic English judge, and I'm sitting here prepped for that, and you're showing up as a telemarketer from Oxford, England, and I'm like, oh, no, they've already got me? Yeah, well, you're not paranoid if they're actually paying attention to you right and so what we're going to talk about is this situation coming out of the uk it's big brother through the back door and uh and and goat tree really wanted to talk about this and i do too

um it is um a case and i'll set it up just a little bit, and you can fill in the details. This is a court case out of the UK telling Apple that they have to give them full access to all of the encrypted information that's on iCloud and other places like that. A very, very dangerous precedent. And of course, even if other countries don't follow this same precedent against other companies, we're part of Five Eyes with them. And so anything that the UK government gets, they can share with the CIA or the NSA or these American government entities, because that's the whole purpose of Five Eyes. They set this thing up and they use it, this partnership saying, well, we'll give you the stuff that you're not legally allowed to collect, but we don't have any prohibition on it. And so you can spy on Americans. Of course,

they do it as well. But if they get caught, they've got some legal jeopardy, but the Brits can do it, and they can hand all that information over to the CIA or the NSA or whoever wants it in the American government. The same arrangement that they've got with corporations. And so there's this revolving door that even if they followed the law and even if we had stringent laws, they've got ways to get around it. So, yeah, tell us what you know about this, Goatry. Well, now, you know, I'm not an expert on English law, but the way I'm reading this is they are asking Apple to deactivate all their encryption on these cloud servers.

Well, okay, it's bad enough that we're dealing with the government and the CIA and the bad guys and all these other people. But if you disable this encryption, now you're at another aspect of it. Hackers. I mean, you know, in theory, people don't practice very good online safety.

And pretty much everybody's passwords are the same. No one goes through the trouble of changing passwords. And all this information is available on the dark web i mean yeah we've talked about that before with infrastructure when you talk about the different devices that are out there on the railroads as well as you know the a more trivial example are the road signs that are out there they ship with a de facto password and they don't bother to change it and that's why people can go around and put up signs saying Raptors ahead. Beware, there's zombies on the highway ahead and that type of thing.

But it can be really serious if somebody gets the default password for some switching circuitry on a train track or something. Or as you pointed out, they have these little shacks. And if they've changed the password, they'll just write the password on the shack wall so that it's not inconvenient for somebody coming in there so yeah you're talking about people being very careless with security issues like that but you know goat tree even if the stuff is encrypted and even if only the uk government had it governments are getting broken into all the time anyway. I mean, the NSA got hacked,

the CIA got hacked. I'm sitting here like there's some insignificant British magistrate, judge, whatever they call these guys, wears a goofy little wig that looks worse

than vaccine water. Telling Apple that they have to go away with all the encryption and put my stuff at risk. I'm sitting here thinking, okay, dude, I'm sitting here in Texas and I know some black hat skills. Maybe I'll just hack you and see how you like that. You see, these people, they're totally out

of control right now. They don't think through their actions. They've got some income. And you know what? If you read what I sent you, it's illegal for us to talk about this. We could be put in jail. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And they have said that they will, you Americans, you know, the stuff that you're talking

about, we'll come and get you, that type of thing. But, yeah, they've threatened Americans out of the UK. And, of course, the UK is really kind of hanging their hat, or I guess we could say they're hanging their wig on being the worst tyrants anywhere i mean they've gone full into all of this climate change stuff they their their

utilities are like four to five times higher than they are for the electricity than even in germany and um the oppression that they've got there the people that they have arrested over uh publications on facebook and other things like that. But that's not enough. Now they want to be able to read your mail and get you in trouble for that. And, of course, the situation with Apple is that Apple has in the past refused to turn over passwords to the FBI and others. And they say that they don't have the ability to read what you put on their servers either,

but now they're demanding that they build this backdoor capability into it. And we've talked about this with all these different hacks, what's going on with the backdoor. Talk a little bit about that and all the different backdoors that are put in for the various types of institutions and so much of the software that's out there. Well, you know, David, it was kind of strange. Yesterday I said, I've got a file I used just for your show.

And the last time I was on was July 15th. And I'm looking over these notes and I'm like, I don't even have to update these. I mean, it's the same thing. It's just a different variant. And, you know, how long have you and I, and now I know, well, this goes back to the old Infowar days, what, 10, 12 years? We've been sitting here talking about these back doors. And then you've got these politicians. That's a conspiracy theory.

Well, guess what? These politicians allowed all this to happen. And now they've lost control of the back doors. And they're running around storming the Department of Education and stuff. Well, you know, I've played a clip of John Kiriakou and a guy that's a former uh cia agent uh as was john kiryaku he went to jail for uh exposing the lies behind the weapons of mass destruction and the torture behind it but and trump promoted the woman who did all that stuff made her head of the cia but we were told all that by uh james clapper back in 2013 and he no, we're not listening to Americans. He lied under oath. And it was just like two months later that Snowden's release of information showed that

he was lying. But of course, no senators, none of them ever came after him for committing perjury. Not any Republicans, of course, not any Democrats, but nobody ever came after him. It's just there's this conspiracy of silence and this conspiracy to undermine the Constitution, the same way that we see them all pretending that we're in a climate treaty, the Paris Climate Treaty that we're not in. It's interesting to see how the Uniparty operates. And you talk about how nothing fundamentally changes. We talk about this all the time, except that they're getting more bold, and it's more and more out in the open as we look at this kind of stuff.

Whistler says, the British have tried to censor American speech before. Didn't work out too well for them then. Of course, the U.S. was a better country back then. Yeah, that's absolutely right. And we had committees of correspondence, which maybe we're going to have to go back to pen and paper to try to get information around, aren't we? Well, you know, the thing is, and I'm going to throw out a name, and he was the godfather of all this, and that was William Denny. And you remember, this goes back to the turn of the century, you know, turn of the century, the 20th, no, 24th century.

He's getting on up there in age. Anyhow, he was disclosing all this back in 2000. And nothing changes. And you bring up, from time to time, man, I just drew a blank. Well, you know, one of the things William Biddy said when I interviewed him, he said, well, Hayden says we're only after your metadata. We're not listening to your conversations. We're not reading your emails. Now they want to read your emails. So that kind of makes a lie out of that. But he says, you're just looking at your metadata. What's the problem with that? And William Benny said,

well, that's even more important because it's even easier to, you know, they can feed the metadata in and they can analyze it in a more concise way than they could if they listened to your conversations or read your emails. But, of course, now with artificial intelligence, they can listen to your conversations, they can read your emails, and they can do that on a vast scale, doing it for everybody at once and draw their own conclusions out of it. Well, they can also replicate your personality off of it now. Yeah.

But, you know, they can take and compile all these phrases that you just use we all have these habits and they can replicate all this and you know if they really wanted to they could get into your email and send you out a blast of uh call your users saying crazy stuff well you don't have no problem with that but anyhow well you know i think one of the reasons that the mask has come off, but of course, you know, they're putting a gag order on Apple. But in general, the fact that we've got Davos out there saying we've got to focus on misinformation, disinformation and censorship, and that's got to be our number one thing. I think the reason that they're talking about it so openly, in my opinion, is because of AI and because the massive power that AI brings to them to be able to data mine and correlate and to make assumptions about this stuff, this is hanging out there, this massive amount of power that they have over us.

And it is so tantalizing, so intoxicating, that they can't bring themselves to even bother to try to cover up. They just got to go for it as fast as they can, pedal to the metal. I think that's why we're seeing so much of this stuff being done out in the open, because the capability that they're going to be implementing on us in a very short time is unlike anything that we've ever seen before in history. Well, yes, and you know, the thing about it is we've made it exponentially easier on them. Yeah.

We're feeding AI. You really want to know what's came down. And I know it morphed into this. It was not intended to be this way. But by this social media, let's say Twitter, you can use Facebook, they're feeding your information into AI and trying to convince us on what people want to hear. That's right. Now, it was like metadata.

We were talking about metadata. This is what metadata is. So they can program AI to where 70% of people like the color blue. So if AI throws out something, let's say, everybody wants blue, make your stuff blue, 70% of the people will agree with that. And if you don't agree with the blue, then there's something wrong with you. You're one of those red staters or something, right?

You're an outcast. You're open-minded. You don't think within the confines. It's just non-stop of what can be done with it. Going back to this, what's happened with Trump coming in? I know you're not a fan of Trump.

I'm trying to give him the benefit of the doubt, so we've got to disagree on that one, but okay. No biggie. Yeah, he hasn't tried to kill us yet give him a couple of years and he'll do it i think yeah go ahead we're the con we're the confidence stage right now he's building up our confidence before he sticks the jab in our back i'm sorry go ahead you know what at least it's been fun because I can't wait to watch the news anymore. It's like if I wanted to become a mass media mogul, Elon's teams have gone in there and seized the backdoor keys.

Now, they're changing these keys, and the old keepers of the keys are now locked out. They can't go in there and do their dirty deeds. They can't go in there and fund $40 million research for transgender cockroaches and stuff. And, you know, suddenly they are dealing with the problems that they've created for us. Mm-hmm.

And these politicians are losing their minds. They're losing their slush funds and their other things too. So to listen to them and the comments they're making is hilarious. They're saying this is a threat to democracy. Wait a minute, the deadlock of democracy is transparency. Yeah, Stephen Miller had a great comment about that uh he was asked that on fox news and he said okay so they're saying elon musk is unelected he goes so what he

he's there serving the president in the executive branch he said i'm doing the same thing i'm not elected uh none of these people in his cabinet are elected suzy wiles his chief of staff was not elected he goes that doesn't mean anything. It means that the president gets to choose who's in his staff. And he says, you know who's unelected? The CIA, the NSA. Those people. And not only are they not elected, he didn't say it, but they're not constitutional.

That's the key thing. Well, you remember under Biden, he had a lurch oh uh john kerry flying all over the world talking about climate change he wasn't elected to do anything he was appointed just like a musk that's right and if he ratified and and john kerry had the power to ratify a treaty supposedly uh do it all by himself he didn't need to have 60 senators to help him he just did it by himself he had amazing you want to talk about uh unelected and unconstitutional that was he was a personification of that but yeah i agree and of course the interesting thing about this is that as musk is locking them out of their back door and he's putting in a new back door.

And to me, the question then becomes, it's a Boromir problem, right? Who's got the ring of power, and what is that ring of power going to do when it's taking advantage of human nature? So I'm as worried about Elon Musk as I am about the Democrats, quite frankly, because he's just got a different set of things that he could do there. I would like to see these government agencies cast into the fire of Mount Doom rather than taking the power and trying to use it yourself. I think that's what they ought to do is just throw it into Mount Doom. But even USAID, they're talking about keeping it.

They said, we're going to fire 14,000 people, but we're going to keep 200 around. Well, how long is it going to be before those 200 are doing the dirty deeds that, but for different masters, right? That's absolutely right. Yeah. You know, what I compare what Elon's done is, you know, if you have an apartment and you don't pay the rent, all they do is go in there and change the locks. Yeah, that's right.

Your key no longer works. That's all he's doing. Yeah. He's just re-keying the stuff. That's right. And he's got the keys now. Yeah. Yeah.

He has a new landlord in town. Yeah. But I've dealt with Elon before. I mean, I don't know if he remembers it or not, but I told you I was one of the first into Compaq computers. Well, the first thing Elon did, one of his first ventures, was he bought up the relics of Compaq. And at the time, this was about 97, 98, I was off on other

things. He contacted me. He came across a bunch of programming I had done and wanted to talk to me about it. And just from the impressions I got from him, Elon's a pretty decent guy. I mean,

he's really, okay, he's made billions of dollars. I'm, he's really, okay, he's made billions of dollars. I'm sure he's got a little dirt on him someplace. But overall, I don't think Elon's out there trying to enslave the world of poison assault, unlike some other people. Well, I don't know. He's been involved with the the mrna stuff he had a company called cure vac and he was he was pushing that kind of stuff i kind of uh i start uh my spidey senses start tingling when somebody talks about hacking into my brain or telling me that i

got to join with ai in order to survive it's like oh wait a minute i think we're done with this guy at this point in time. The brain chip sort of altered my view on you. Yeah, that's, I guess, the mechanism by which we become one with the machines as part of the singularity. I think that's kind of interesting, you know, the fact that the PayPal mafia is to a man. It seems like they're all focused on this transhumanism vision of the future it's um they take science fiction seriously they take it like an instruction manual i think that's their plan for world conquest well you know you're talking i better drop that one i'm trying to keep my keep incognito on some of this stuff yeah well i guess the interesting thing is what everybody is saying you know what is apple going to do because what this

judge has done is he's threatened um apple i guess employees with jail time if they even talk about this and so i guess uh some i don't know how this information got out. Somebody released this. And when it was released on Twitter, the guy who put it out, Sayer G, if I'm pronouncing his name correctly, he put it out and somebody hacked his, he put up a thread of about, I don't know, 13, 15 different posts and everything. And the first five or six, you sent it to me yesterday afternoon. And when I looked at it, the first five or six posts were gone. And then he followed it up and he said, well, somebody took this down. But, you know, here they are on a reader app, you know, where you can thread reader, where you can see all of them.

And so you can see what he put up. But I think that's kind of interesting i wonder who in the world would not want you to know about the ironic part is he was posting it to elon musk yeah yeah and it was after elon musk noticed it yeah somebody okay he is posting it um x, which Elon Musk reads or owns, and Elon Musk is reading and actually replying to. You talk about the hacker big balls. Somebody did that, had some real gas to go on to Elon's forum and take it over like that. Yeah, yeah. He said his ex-account was hacked right after Elon shared the article.

Yeah. So, you know, they have all this tracking technology. I mean, even though VPNs won't work on this type of stuff. So someone is thinking they're 10 foot tall and bulletproof to go on there and start poking Elon Musk. And that's when I said, oh, there's something serious behind this one. Well, you know, when we look at it over, and I've talked about this many times, when you look at the ability to control people with propaganda and surveillance and how much more effective the propaganda was when they went from newspapers, which were already pretty effective. You know, they use newspaper propaganda to get us into World War Two. But then you get radio and that gets a lot more effective.

And then you get radio and TV still even more effective. But then they still had to try to gauge whether or not their propaganda was working. And what the Internet gave them, Internet designed and imagined by a DARPA psychologist in the early 1960s, J.C.R. Licklider, what the Internet gave them was an ability to get the feedback and to precisely understand, like you were talking about earlier, how many people like the color blue as their favorite color. So that allows them to look at, close the feedback loop precisely so they can understand whether or not their lies are working and they can fine tune those lies and propaganda. And so that's a very, very important thing to them. And that's why you had the CIA create its own venture capital firm, In-Q-Tel, and you had NSA and CIA and intelligence community people

who were all over the board of directors of these venture capital firms that were funding the startups for the search engines and for social media. And now they're at the point where they can mine that data so much more accurately and quickly with AI. They just can't restrain themselves. I mean, it's just, you know, get out of my way. They're actually attempting to steer society in the direction that they see fit. That's right. And they don't care who knows it.

It's no longer organic. No. They'll turn around and call you a conspiracy theory or something, a conspiracist, or they, you know, I think they're doing away with this ESG stuff. But, you know, this conformer be cashed out. I wouldn't be surprised. Now, you add in brain chips, oh man, we're really getting off into

really far-fetched things. Oh yeah. Well, I mean, that's always been the focus of the CIA and these other people is to try to read minds. I mean, they went out and got psychics and all the rest of this stuff and remote viewers. And they're into all this occultic stuff as well as using drugs to manipulate people. They've always been about drugs and the occult.

And especially, as we see with USAID, we always knew that that was the CIA, and now they're seeing how they had manipulated elections in Brazil and how they had done this all over the place. It's just part of the way that they operate, with coups and assassinations and propaganda and paying off journalists and news organizations all over the place. Where's my check? I don't know. Yeah, so, you know, it's to the place where's my check i don't know yeah so you know it's to the point where probably going man i don't even know where to start with this is such a complex issue

but i'm thinking if people will hold on to their critical thinking believe their own eyes leave their own ears and not let someone push them off dead center with it that's going to be well you know you were talking about your religion earlier how you got the new department of religion whatever yeah his faith office yeah you've got to basically stake your flag and say, I know right from wrong. I know my reality versus their reality, and just not waver from it, and be willing to accept whatever penalties come with it, you know? Fear not. Fear not. That's my reality. That's what the Bible says. I don't know how many hundreds of times the Bible says, fear not, you know, fear not. Fear not. That's my reality. That's what the Bible says. I don't know how many hundreds of times the Bible says fear not, you know, because that's the way they rule you is through fear. I had a listener who asked if I would ask you about new computers, nanotech and new computers.

I'm assuming kind of that he's thinking of quantum computing. You know, do you think that they're close with that what are they going to be able to do with that of course they if they have a breakthrough they're not going to tell us i guess they're going to use it for their own advantage for a while don't you think well you know what i'm i'm glad that uh i'm glad you asked that question but topics to throw out there's something that's not even on the board? I've tested a lot of laptops and servers and things like that,

trying to figure out which ones are the most secure. And there's a little family-owned computer, a laptop maker, called Nemo, N-E-M-O. And they are bare bones.

I mean, they're top quality. Don't get me wrong. These computers can do anything you want. But they're simple. But they're simple. They are like we used to build. You can close ports. You can open ports.

You can put basically back doors. You can configure them the way you need. And I would not recommend using Intel chips because Intel is notorious for having back doors. Go with AMD. AMD, as far as I know, don't have back doors. And these are some of the cheapest laptops on the market. And yet, what you get is, you get your laptop and all your

your toys and bells and whistles on it but the only thing on the hard drive is Windows if you don't want Windows you can go Linux and then from there you have to put on your own drivers you have to configure the way you want or you could just take it straight out of the box well my point is they have not uh they're the only people i know that have are not selling you a bunch of bloatware and spyware and uh back doors so you know he asked that to me and i use them i really like them i mean they're not as great as alien wear and all these other guys, but you have more control over your, your,

um, your operating. That's good. Yeah. M E M O is the name of the company. Yeah. Yeah. Um,

but they also had intrinsic built-in flaws. Like their Wi-Fi is not that great. They don't really want you to use their Wi-Fi. They want you to go out and buy a Wi-Fi dongle or stick. So when you're not using it, you can unplug it and you're not being air gapped. Yeah. You're not connected to the Internet. When you don't want to be connected to the Internet, you're not being air gapped yeah yeah uh you're not connected to the internet when you don't want to be connected to the internet you're not that's good and you're not getting

forced uh uh updates from microsoft you know we went over all this you know people are loading onto your hard drive oh yeah i just got notification that they're going to stop support of windows 10 i said yes maybe now they'll stop forcefully updating my computer. The only thing I use... I'm sorry, go ahead. Well, no, when they mean stop supporting Windows 10, that means suddenly all your apps and updates and stuff like that, it takes to make things work, quit functioning.

It's like Twitter puts out an update, and we're doing this differently, but we don't support Windows 10. So you're like, oh, I've got to go and defend my head. I've got to go update Windows 11. Well, hopefully, the only thing I use that computer for is

for music, because I wanted something that was going to be fast, but not expensive, and so Whistler put together a system for me. And, you know, I had to get on occasionally and download just like an instrument or something like that. So that stuff may change. But if I just stick with what I've got, I'll be fine if I don't upgrade anything that I don't have to worry about their operating system. But, you know, when you talked about, uh you know the chips being susceptible to stuff that was one of the key things that i

couldn't get people to pay any attention to back when trump was having a fit about huawei and 5g he said oh they're going to use huawei to spy on everybody it's like well you're concerned about that because your chips are going to be spying on everybody and quite frankly it's you know it's spy versus spy and um i think that uh personally for me since china is across the sea i'm far more worried about the american government spying on me than i am huawei spying on me i feel that same way about tiktok you know it's uh i'm i'm more worried about the platforms that they control that are there well i'm not too worried about china because i think i speak texan and i'm quite sure you don't translate to chinese very well

that's right you don't have any mandarin going on there uh they also he also asked if i would talk to you about uh the debt the dead internet in other words um you know are we going to get so swamped with bots uh uh that uh you know it's going to be a dead internet of course uh kind of a corollary to that is artificial intelligence uh scraping all of this uh information from us and using it for its its uh compute to uh you know it's it's just repositioning all that and And it needs to have human data. Once you start flooding the Internet with AI data, synthetic data that's not human, you've already had several different studies. I talked about this about a year and a half ago.

They said, well, it's kind of like, you know, people eating other people, cannibals, the Yakov Kreuzfeld disease or the mad cow disease. If you start cannibalizing stuff they start getting dumb and they've had some studies that indicate that that might be a factor what do you think about that what do you think about the dead internet or the you know the synthetic to bring it all home he asked about quantum computing and computing. And if you are to combine quantum computing

with AI with the dead internet, as you say, which we're tinkering with the dead internet now. You don't know if you talk to a bot or not. That's what Whistler said. Some people say the internet's dead already. Zombie internet. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. That's what Whistler said. Some people say the internet's dead already.

Zombie internet. Yeah, well, let me see if I can put this in simplistic terms. I mean, I try to do it simplistically. Let's say I have scraped all your data from your social media post

and talking to various people and I want to artificially create your perfect mate. Books, attitude, personality, everything like that. And then I would inject that perfect mate into your presence. Well, naturally, boom, you found Mr. and Mrs. Perfect and you're totally smitten by it and you start sharing your innermost secrets or whatever. And you're talking to a bot or you're talking

to an AI-generated whatever they're going to call it. And then you insert this artificial intelligence in the quantum computing. And suddenly your head over heels in love with something that don't exist. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, there's a movie. See where I'm going with this manipulation? It's there. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. It's a real issue. It's a real issue it's a real issue it's going to be a lot of ai porn and uh and things like that and and yeah already there i guess and and uh yuval harari has openly said that's where we're going to control people we'll control you with entertainment we'll control you with games we'll get you out of the real world so you don't get in our way you You know, that's what's there. I think that's how it's going to be. Well, this is like digital crack.

Now, you add in the brain shift, and you add in all this behavior modification. This stuff could be going on while you sleep. You wake up in a whole new world. I mean, and then we look at the people that are doing it. These politicians, for instance, with all this that's been going on, their gravy train's done ran off into the sunset right now. They're losing their minds. Well, they've lost control of the stuff that they thought they had control of.

And that's what we're tinkering with right here, except with the dead internet and AI and the data scraping and all this. Yeah, there was an interesting movie a few years ago called Her. And I think it was Joaquin Phoenix, I think is the guy's name, the actor, I think, who was in it. But I remember the plot line better than I do who was in it. It wasn't all that interesting a movie, but the plot line was interesting, especially because of the way that Ray Kurzweil responded to it. Ray Kurzweil has been kind of their marketing guy for the singularity.

And the premise of the movie is that there's this ai that um the human character starts talking to and like you said it's like digital crack it gets addicted to talking to this ai to the extent that he doesn't want to talk to other people it becomes his entire life and then the ai now this is where ray kerswile vision comes in. The AI gets smarter and smarter and essentially becomes too smart to want to deal with him and finds that it's much more interesting to deal with other AI. And it just goes off and leaves him alone. And so this is Ray Kurzweil saying, see, it's not a threat to humanity. It's not going to become super intelligent and try to kill us all. It's just going to become super intelligent and find other super intelligent beings and goes off and leaves us alone but again i don't i don't subscribe

to that idea but that that to a large degree that kind of digital crack that was illustrated in that movie is something that i think is going to be a real challenge to the vast majority of humanity the vast majority just look at how susceptible we are to the Super Bowl. Super Bowl's not all that interesting to many of us, I guess. The Super Bowl. Oh, yeah. I'll tell you. You know, I don't know if we're living in reality imitating art

or art imitating reality anymore. Yesterday, I was out. I mean, I could care less. To me, I didn't even spend 30 seconds on Superbowl yesterday. But I was wearing green. I didn't even realize it. And I stopped at a gas station, and this guy standing there goes, wow, you're a Phillies, what, Philadelphia fan. I'm like, what?

We're going to beat the Eagles. I'm like, okay, go for it. And he was just trying to provoke me because I was wearing green. And it's like, dude, go away. Just leave me alone. I had that kind of happen to me with a guy. I was wearing one of the InfoWars 1776 caps that I wore when I was at the Bundy Ranch and stuff.

And I was wearing that, and I walked into a convenience store, and the guy starts asking me questions about the 76ers, which I think are a basketball team. I wasn't even sure. But it said 1776, and he starts saying, well, how about the such and such, you know, who's playing center? And it's like, what are we talking? Oh, okay. He thinks that

I'm following a basketball team. But that doesn't even occur to him that 1776 didn't even ring a bell with him. It's all just about the 76ers. I guess he doesn't even know where that came from. But that's not a program.

We've been on stupid stuff. I mean, it's like, dude, I'm just trying to get some gas. I have no clue what you're talking about. But that's the programming. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's, to say, I did not watch the Super Bowl. I don't care.

What's wrong with you? to say, I did not watch the Super Bowl. I don't care if they were alive. What's wrong with you? Well, you know, one of the things that... Is that the problem with you? Yeah, it is. I mean, they are manic on it, whether you look at the EU and its Digital Securities Act, or you look at the UK. All of them are focused on this.

And remember when Musk said he was going to buy Twitter, you had Theory Bret breton i call him conspiracy theory breton uh but he came this belgian bureaucrat uh went to austin and told him well we got this digital services act that's coming online and you're going to do what we tell you to do and remember that elon musk was like yes yes i will do it yes yes i'll do it and we know that he works for the chinese i I think, because it's his business. You know, he wants his businesses, you know, selling to government and giving them whatever they want. And so I don't, you know, I don't trust any of these guys because they've got a different agenda.

All these technocrats. And what do you think about this with the Trump inauguration. I mean, I've never seen so many billionaires line up, all these corporations line up like they did at the Trump inauguration. And it was pretty obvious, considering what we know about their politics and what they've done in the past, that this is just an opportunistic scenario. But I'm kind of concerned about how all of these bad actors are coming together thinking that they're going to get whatever you know trump has uh got there they can all have access to it what do you think about that all the the big tech guys hanging out with trump now bowing the knee i i could sum it up in a sentence the united states dollar has no loyalty to anyone.

That's right. So it doesn't matter if it's Biden. It doesn't matter if it's Trump. It doesn't matter. They have no loyalty or allegiance to anyone other than their own self-interest. That's right. And it's why there's so much money in Washington. It's why these elections, the politicians are spending a billion dollars each now. You know, when only 20 years ago, George Bush was, 25 years ago, George Bush was accused of stealing the election when his campaign was $100 million.

Now you see that for congressmen on a regular basis. Forget about senators and the president. It's because there's so much money in Washington, and it really is just kind of a metric of the corruption that is there. Because, you, because these guys are going to, a politician is your best return on investment you can get anywhere. No, these politicians do not care whatsoever about the American mainstream, and it's all about money. I hate to say that. I mean, there are some out there I really like,

like Massey and these others that are just basically free thinkers, and I don't think they're malicious trying to harm the American people. Where do you think this is all headed? You know, you contacted me about a year, year and a half before all this stuff happened with COVID and said, hey, I'm hearing a lot of chatter about Dark Winter 2. And you know what Dark Winter 1 was?

And I was like, yeah, I know. So it's like, are they getting ready to go real with this? And they did. I mean, it wasn't a real pandemic, but they did everything that they said. We're going to lock everybody down until we got the vaccine that they're going to roll out on an emergency basis and so forth. And so that really was there. So, I mean, are you getting any chatter now about what you think might be coming around? Does it look like they're going to do another pandemic on us?

Or are they going to, how are they going to change it up? I've looked at this and I kind of, you know, right now what they're doing with bird flu and killing all the chickens and things like that, everything seems to come back to eliminating the independent small farms, whether that's coming after raw milk or whether it's coming after backyard chickens or even small farmers. The big guys can weather this stuff, and the big guys will put the vaccines in the chicken. They'll put it in the cows and all the rest of the stuff.

So where do you think this is headed, or is it going to be something else? Is it going to be a war? What do you think this is headed? Or is it going to be something else? Is it going to be a war? What do you think is going to happen? Well, I mentioned this, I don't know, a couple years ago. And right now with this bird flu,

it's been around forever. To me, it looks like a test bullet. Because what I've seen, and I've seen it to you before, I don't know if you've used it or not, is if you look up into the Arctic, especially in Russia, they're turning up all these really well-preserved mammoths and things like that. They look like they just fell over and digested They're frozen

And they're also turning up more of these Pathogens and these Germs and viruses and stuff like that That are frozen in ice age So From what I've seen and viruses and stuff like that that overflows during the ice age. So from what I've seen, this is one that they're really putting a lot of credence in. The next really bad scare is going to be when we defrosted some unknown pathogen

and it has a thousand percent kill ratio. But I think we've got pills to fix it so come get your pills and injections. I think that'll be the story. I think that's one of the reasons why they're pushing all this lab leak stuff so much. And of course they've also got this jurassic park type of organization uh what was it um that they're

trying to um or you know they're going to bring back the woolly mammoth and and things like that they said so they've raised 10 million dollars to do that so they want to do a jurassic park i guess an ice age park um maybe that's what Trump wants Greenland for. He wants to put the woolly mammoths up there. That's it. That's where it all comes together. But getting back to the backdoor stuff, Jason Barker, good to see you, Jason. Nice of the storm. He said, we had to replace all of our Cisco routers in the Army because of backdoors.

You would all be appalled at how many millions or billions were spent to do that some of those routers were brand new they may use cisco again now but in the mid-2000s they realized there were hardware backdoors in them and when we outsource chip manufacturing he says to any nation there will be backdoors built into it and we've talked about that you know there's a lot of different back doors for a lot of different functions, aren't there? Yes, and it comes down to, you know, Jason's absolutely right.

When you go to military grade, these guys are on a whole different level than our retail stuff. But the scary part is, you know, I got to go back to Barnaby Jack for a moment. Probably just deal with my, oh, look, a shiny thing. You remember Barnaby, he was actually exposing these ATM hacks back in 2007, 2006. How he got back doors to them, they were in the manuals. So he goes and buys a bunch of these ATMs, and at a black hat, he's like, what's this?

So he puts this in the code, and it just shoots out money. You know, what was there for anyone to have? Their back door was actually published in the user manuals. So going back to what he was saying about Cisco, I don't know if they had those published in the manuals. I'm aware of what he's talking about, but it was not on an expert level. But if they had those codes published in the user manuals, either classified or not classified, how do you

know who's read it? Who actually had that code? You may have a thousand people with that backdoor code. So suddenly, your most up-armored, most sensitive piece of data has been, or hardware, has been corrupted because you don't know who has the keys to it. This is the same thing we had happen with USAID and apparently some of these other agencies that Elon and the big ball squad's moving in on. They're changing the key, just like locking them out yeah yeah and and you know we've talked about this in the past developers will put those back doors in i did it for the

system that i wrote for our stores um so that you never get locked out and um and then they'll give another back door let's say to the owner of the business that buys the computer. And you typically, in many cases, as we've talked about this in the past, frequently governments demand backdoors as well. So all these different people have backdoors into the system that are hard-coded in there, and they can get in and change things. And so it's a very concerning thing, especially since everything's got to be on computer now right wait just a minute do you remember a year or two ago i sent you a manual for the railroads for all the road equipment yes and it had all the the everything you needed to

just simply not even hack just log on and play railroad with their stuff. Do you know that nobody ever changed that? That manual's still out there? That's the frustrating thing about your job. I know you told me that. The people hire you to find the vulnerabilities. You find the vulnerabilities, and they don't fix them. Well, what they do is they sold an analogy.

They don't get concerned. Let's say you have a business, and you're sitting here running your business. One day you look out your window, and the business across the street is on fire, burning down. That's when you get a little more concerned about your own security. So you have to have an actual hat for these guys to take notice and make changes so their business don't burn down. And it's really frustrating. That's why I don't pen test anymore.

It's because you go in there, you spend, I don't know, weeks, two weeks, writing out all these reports saying, here's your problem here, and they hand you a check and smile and say, thank you, you did a very good job. We ain't going to do nothing. Yeah, that's right. That's the way our institutions operate now. And that's really what I thought was going to happen with Doge, because I've seen these commissions come and go.

This is definitely different. You know, he's taken over these systems and he's shut them down. And part of it is because everything has become so computerized and because he's a computer guy and he's got a lot of computer guys who work for him they're they're hillary clinton said he's got people in there that are so young that they're not allowed to rent a car and it's like a lady this guy could turn your car around so that you couldn't drive he could drive you right off the cliff if he wanted to because of his ability to hack stuff is really what's going on here. She doesn't even, she thinks that ageist has something to do

with it. I guess it's just projection. You know, I mean, this is fun. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that you're not immune to this and out of the act of self-preservation alone, you want to get control of this again. And it's just, to me, so simple and so basic, and yet you have all these, quote, experts piling crap up to the point where

the simplicity's lost. And another thing, no one ever questions who's an expert. I'm not an expert. I never claimed to be. But all these people talking here, I'm an expert. Oh, yeah, you are. Well, you know, as we're talking about how easy it was for Musk and some talented programmers to take over the u.s

government uh what does that say about our future we get into a hacking contest i mean it's it's uh it's going to be kind of interesting to see what happens with things in the future but they're creating my point is is that they're creating extreme vulnerabilities and they've done this in the pentagon and other places they're all vulnerable when they become so dependent on the computers, especially because, as you pointed out, there's always vulnerabilities that people are going to leave open, and there's going to be careless processes that are done, and people are going to compromise the security.

Even if it was programmed well, there's going to be somebody who's going to write the passcode on the wall of the computer, right next to the computer. Yeah. Well, the thing about it is, it was safe, and it was not compromised, no less, as long as the powers that be had control of it. Now that they don't have control of it, you've got a Luddite like Elon running around. It's like, oh, my God, the building's burning down. It's been burning down the whole time. Yeah, instead of it being the Chinese government or some hackers,

now it's Elon that's got it, so they're freaking out. But yeah, I think we ought to all be concerned about how vulnerable it is, and we ought to all be concerned about the concentration of power. I'm not interested in just seeing uh you know one dictator replaced and another one put in and uh replacing that person it's um we've got to find a way to genuinely reform stuff and that's one of the things that concerns me is the fact that these these institutions are remaining uh they're changing them they're downsizing them maybe and i guess a I guess what a lot of people have said, well, the bottom line is that they want to automate it even more and use AI.

Let's let AI take it over. Then everybody has lost control of it. That seems to be the common thing. We've had Mark Andreessen say, well, the purpose of this is to crush human wages, but that's going to be the common thing. You know, we've had Mark Andreessen say, well, the purpose of this is to crush everybody's, crush human wages. But that's going to be good. It's like, in what world is that good? I don't know. That's a whole other topic.

And we've got less than a minute left. And so, you know, that was a, but it's always great having you on. And, you know, we'll have to get back on and have to explore the options of what happens when they crush human wages and they tell us to join the machine or die. I think that's going to be coming faster than people realize, don't you? Remember, no matter what happens, AI says blue is the most popular color, so start making blue tents for everybody to get under the bridge in. That's right. Tell them what they want to hear and then communicate with people outside the digital world.

I think that's one of the things, the key takeaways. I'm an electrical engineer, but I'm getting I have definitely become a Luddite when it comes to this stuff. Thank you so much for joining us, Goat Tree. Always entertaining and interesting to talk to you. Thank you. And thank you everyone

for joining us. Thank you. Have a good day.