The David Knight Show - BREAKING INTERVIEW Marty Gottesfeld, Medical Kidnapping Whistleblower Freed After 7 Years

Episode Date: June 15, 2023

Marty Gottesfeld, FreeMartyG.com, has been released after years in US government's special prison for political prisoners and terrorists, a "Communications Management Unit (CMU)". A frightening look at where the US government is now and where it's going. Also joining, a man from another country who tells us what happened to him after he hosted Marty's website.Find out more about the show and where you can watch it at TheDavidKnightShow.comIf you would like to support the show and our family please consider subscribing monthly here: SubscribeStar https://www.subscribestar.com/the-david-knight-showOr you can send a donation throughMail: David Knight POB 994 Kodak, TN 37764Zelle: @[e-mail] App at: $davidknightshowBTC to: bc1qkuec29hkuye4xse9unh7nptvu3y9qmv24vanh7Money is only what YOU hold: Go to DavidKnight.gold for great deals on physical gold/silverFor 10% off Gerald Celente's prescient Trends Journal, go to TrendsJournal.com and enter the code KNIGHTBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-david-knight-show--2653468/support.

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And I'm sure that both of them are delighted that Marty is finally out of jail. It's been a very difficult time. And I always told her, I said, I, uh, I'm going to talk to your husband one day. We're going to see him get out of jail. So don't give up hope. And, uh, I know it was very dark days when we had high hopes that there might be a pardon from Trump. And that did not happen. We're going to talk about why he was in jail. We're going to talk about the jail that he was in. And also we have on the line,

uh, Ennis Bosnick, who is a Bosnian war veteran. And he did a lot to help Marty in terms of maintaining, he's got a, um, a website, um,

a hosting site. And he did a lot to help Marty with the free Marty G site that was putting out information about him. So welcome gentlemen. Thank you for joining us. Let's talk a little bit about, tell everybody your history about why you were put in prison, what you were fighting for, the medical kidnapping case. Give them kind of a brief overview. We've talked about this with Dana, but it's been a while since we've talked to Dana, so if you could kind of fill people in on that detail. So sure. In late 2013, I became aware of some very serious human rights violations against children in a network of mostly for-profit juvenile detention centers, boot camps, so-called residential treatment centers, wilderness programs.

This story affected us personally. It affected a member of Dana's family. We had to fight to get him out. We did get him out. We trended the hashtag to shut down the place where he was at to number two globally on Twitter, put a lot of pressure and achieved a good outcome. But once we achieved that outcome, it was very clear that the fight was not over. There were still so many of these kids going through these abuses. And it was at that point in a group online that I first saw the Justina Pelletier case. And this was happening right in my backyard. It was right here at Boston Children's Hospital. It was a very

strange and odd case. The family had been put under a gag order. They were not allowed to talk to the press about it. That was kind of the first smoke signal to me that something might be going really wrong here because, you know, you should be able to speak about pretty much anything, you know what I mean? So what is it exactly they did not want the public to know? Then I found out that they had been denied the right to get a second opinion on Justina's medical condition. And that also struck me as just very suspicious, because why should someone be told they can't get a second opinion? To me, you know, in my family, when there's a diagnosis, you know, the more serious the diagnosis, the more serious the need for a second and even third opinion. And so just the whole way this case had been operated to me, you know, was un-American, I think is perhaps the best word

for it. So then I started looking, you know, more into the details of the Pelletier case. So Justina has mitochondrial disease, which is kind of an umbrella term for a group of conditions, mostly genetic, but there can be environmental causes too, that affect how the mitochondria, which are the organelles, the parts inside your cells that actually produce the chemical energy that runs your body and all your systems. So Justina has an issue between the mitochondria and the rest of her cells. Not every case or every case of mito is a little different. No two are really exactly the same. So you have symptoms that run a gamut. Some cases, fortunately, are very mild. Some cases are fatal. Baby Charlie Gard, who was in the London, I think, Orchard Street Hospital, Orkhan Street Hospital a few years ago. And the Pope got involved in that case where the hospital, you know,

refused to allow any further medical interventions to try to save Charlie's life. And he ultimately died. Meanwhile, the parents were desperately trying to get him to other care elsewhere. And doctors eventually came forward to say, hey, we want to treat this kid. But it was too late. So he also had mitochondrial disease. That's the exact same condition. But Charlie's case was a much more severe form that affected him neonatally and directly upon delivery. And he unfortunately did not live very long. But that's the condition that we're talking about. Justina's case is a little more mild than Charlie Gard's, but still very serious. So she had a team of doctors at Tufts, which is a renowned medical institution.

Here in Boston, we're very fortunate. We have some of the best medical uh institutions in the world uh justina was at tufts because they had a mito specialist there uh who was really good who had actually treated justina's older sister uh who also had had mito um justina caught the flu um she was nauseous she could not put food to keep food down and that is a very serious issue for mito patients because if you imagine what you have an issue in the cell, turning food into chemical energy, now you stop the food intake, it kind of compounds that what was, you know, a problem further down the line is now compounded gravely. So she went to go see her GI doc, and her GI doc had just moved from Tufts to Boston Children's

Hospital. So she arrived in an ambulance at four o'clock in the morning on a Sunday, the same day as a blizzard, with this referral to see her GI doc. She never got to see her GI doc. A different doctor there, a neurologist, like seven months out of medical training, I'm unsure his exact situation, but he was not, you know, a mito expert. He was not a team that had treated Justina for years and treated her older sister and knew her and her family well. He started to suspect a different diagnosis, a psychological diagnosis called somatoform disorder, which is basically psychosomatic, that these issues were presenting with no physiological cause whatsoever, and that therefore it was kind of all in Justina's head.

He called in a different practitioner, a non-MD psychologist, who we later learned had an NIH grant to study somatoform disorder. And lo and behold, she agrees with the neurologist that Justina has somatoform. They go to the parents, they say, we want to stop all of Justina's mitochondrial disease treatments and treat her for somatoform. The parents, of course, say no. Mitochondrial disease is an often fatal degenerative progressive condition. When it's left untreated, you know, it gets radically worse oftentimes, and you can't always reverse that damage from the progression of this condition. But the hospital then went to the Massachusetts Department of Children and

Families, the state child welfare agency. Being from Massachusetts, living here most of my entire life, I can tell you DCF has a horrible reputation. They've earned it. You know, hundreds of children have died under on DCF's watch. It's kind of a four letter word, you know, around the area when you when you talk to parents. I'm not going to sugarcoat it. I mean, the agency has just had a horrible past. DCF agreed with the hospital, filed an emergency petition for custody of Justina. That petition was granted. The parents were frozen out. Hospital security came, escorted them off the premises. The parents tried to call

the police. They tried to call the FBI. They contacted every authority that they could. No one would help them. And then that's when the know, came down. And then the hospital moved Justina to its psych ward, which is a fairly notorious place. Whistleblowers had come forward to report this psych ward, including a former nurse from inside that very same psych ward. And she put it very bluntly in an open letter to the Massachusetts governor saying that the more proper term for the things being done to Justina was torture. And that was actually the word that she used, torture. So one of the things that Justina went through that has been under-publicized in my opinion, but the parents did get this on the air on a local PBS broadcast. Justina, like many mito patients, suffers from nerve pain because of the issues with the chemical energy in the cell. The nerves don't fire appropriately, and those nerve

signals can be misinterpreted as pain in the brain, and that's something that Justina suffered from, and that was throughout her whole body, and she had been on a medication called Lyrica, which helps with nerve issues, right, and Boston Children's Hospital took her off medication called Lyrica, which helps with nerve issues, right? And Boston Children's Hospital took her off of that Lyrica, and that left her in agony pretty much 24-7. And then the whole time she's in the psych ward, they're telling her that it's all in her head, that, you know, she can move her arms, she can wheel her own wheelchair. And she's like, I can't do this. This is like, I just can't do this, but they're pushing her to do that. And I know that one weekend, when she was unable to move her own wheelchair, they kind of just left her in a

corner sitting at a blank wall all weekend. And when other kids in the psych ward would try to help her, they'd say, no, no, no, she's got to do it herself. And this is stuff Justina, now she's free. She's spoken about this stuff. She gave an interview to an award-winning journalist named Bo Berman, who actually won the Edward R. Murrow Award two years in a row for covering Justina's case. Yeah, I suppose that's, you know, so that's where we were kind of when I first heard about this case. So I got involved. I found out, you know, all this stuff that there have been all these other cases before Justina's. And you can kind of read about those online.

This was not a new thing. The hospital actually has a word for this. They call it a parentectomy, like an appendectomy or uh you know removal of the parents i remember going back and seeing uh there was a family even uh from some scandinavian country i mean there's a lot of different cases that were yeah that was the cinderella case and he ended up passing away uh unfortunately yeah so um you know what do you do when the political process has entirely failed? You know, that becomes, you know, or became a very, very urgent question.

The government alleges that I, as part of Anonymous, orchestrated one of the largest distributed denial of service attacks ever seen, and that I knocked Boston Children's Hospital off the internet on their big fundraising day, and that this cost the hospital hundreds of thousands of dollars. They accused me of potentially impacting patient care, but they failed to prove that to my jury. We have the jury form. The jury would not go along with it. You know, medical devices don't require internet access. If they did, you'd have fatalities all the time. Hospitals are required under federal law to have backup plans to work without internet access. And again, if internet outages cause deaths at hospitals, you would have deaths at hospitals from internet outages all the time. And so there are

numerous safeguards to stop all that. I was aware of all that. I worked in biotech myself. I was a data security coordinator for a biotech company. I know the HIPAA law very well. I know the accreditation standards for these hospitals very well. So they ultimately failed to prove kind of the moral core of their case against me when the jury refused to convict me for even potentially impacting the diagnosis, care, or treatment of one or more individuals. I went to trial. My trial judge, Nathaniel Matheson Gorton of the Gorton's Seafood family. So that...

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And Boston Children's Hospital actually kind of advertised that family business on the very same website the government was alleging that I brought down, you know, where they thank their philanthropic donors. This judge was also a board member at a local children's charity called the New England Home for Little Wanderers. Boston Children's Hospital had given the New England Home for Little Wanderers a $50,000 direct grant before my case. This judge would not recuse himself, would not step off the case,

would, told my jury straight up that they could not acquit me or should not acquit me because of my good motive. So kind of the opposite of what you would expect in a self-defense or defensive others case. My jury was told, no, you could not, they could not acquit me for that. One juror actually came forward in tears saying she didn't want to convict me. The judge kind of reiterated, you know, his thing and said, nope, you know, his good motive is no excuse. And that's really kind of a problem with our legal system in general.

You know, the jurors are supposed to be the ones to determine this. And if they don't like what the law is, they can nullify the law. But the judges will say, you can't do this and you can't do that. They're the ones. Yeah, and I'm not allowed to tell them about jury notification if i tell them about jury nullification it's an immediate mistrial and and they're going to come down to me hard the judge had already threatened me to remove me from the courtroom and basically try me in absentia wow wow so i you know i i could not tell her this um you know so they find you guilty and then what do they what was the sentence uh that you're

there the sentence was 121 months 121 months in federal prison um ultimately uh the first step act of 2018 which ran paul uh and the trump administration passed the big federal prison reform bill uh ended up freeing me a bit earlier and then there was there's there's also a controversy about other like uh credit for uh for, that I am owed. And we're still litigating that actually. And if I win that, then I get to go have my, my probation cut. So my three years of supervised release could potentially be reduced, you know, if I win that and I'm, I'm still litigating that, uh, in the Southern district of Indiana. Um, yeah, I suppose that's, that's it. Uh, now how did this become a shell?

You were in a federal facility. How'd this become a federal case? Um, because the, the law they charged me under, which is called the computer fraud and abuse act is a federal law. Uh, it's at 18 United States code section 10 30. Um, and so the feds picked it up. I don't know that they could have convicted me in state court. Uh, you know, I really don't. In state court, I'm not sure they would have been able to bar the defense of another defense. Right. So I'm not sure that the local authorities had any interest or any desire to try to try the case.

The feds knew that, you know, they had this law and that they could freeze out this defense. And so they felt, I guess, more comfortable going forward with it. But in the end, they still didn't like they failed to prove the moral core of their case. I'm convicted only of financial damage to Boston Children's Hospital and one of these other places that was holding Justina against her will. So, you know, they tortured this girl in my view. She was maimed permanently. She's in a wheelchair now for life. 12 weeks before she went into Boston Children's Hospital, she was figure skating competitively. There's a wonderful video of her in a blue dress, figure skating. She had some trouble walking during the flu because of the problem keeping

food down, but she was able to walk. And had she recovered from the flu, I think everyone had the reasonable expectation she would figure skate again. But after 14 months away from her family and away from her mitochondrial treatments, you know, she's still not walking today. Did she sue them for damage? Yes, the family did sue. But, you know, Boston Children's Hospital is Harvard's primary pediatric research teaching facility. They get hundreds of millions of dollars every year in federal grants. The last I knew, they had a $2 billion endowment. They are the home team favorite. Suing them in Suffolk Superior in the local court here in Massachusetts was always, always going to be an uphill battle. The jury found for Boston Children's Hospital. I'm unsure if they're taking an appeal from that. I'm unsure if they can take

an appeal from that, you know, if they have any good issues or not. But yeah, they sued and they lost. And to me, that kind of just underscores that, you know, had nothing been done, Justina very well may have died. Yes. You know, because the system failed Justina at every level, state executive, state judicial, federal judicial, right? Because the feds could have taken up a civil rights case for Justina and they did not. The feds could have looked at some kind of Medicaid fraud case because

as soon as Justina became a ward of the state, Medicaid was picking up the bill for all the stuff they were doing to her, right? And so if a medical practitioner bills Medicaid to treat a patient for a condition that that practitioner knows or should know the patient does not have, or bills Medicaid excessively to treat a condition that they do have, that becomes a federal issue. And so there were a bunch of places where the feds could have stepped in. I mean, if they had just made a phone call to Boston Children's Hospital to say, hey, what are you guys doing? Like, this looks kind of fishy. We might have to investigate this. I bet the hospital would have done it about face pretty quickly.

Well, you know, my understanding is the feds didn't even investigate. We put the FBI agent on the witness stand in my bail hearing, and we asked him, are you aware of allegations Justina Pelletier was tortured at Boston Children's Hospital? He said, yes. Are you aware of any investigation into those allegations? No. We don't care yeah yeah since you were while you've been in prison of course um uh we've seen a widespread medical

kidnapping of a lot of people we've seen people uh you know the government in terms of talking about the money they get from government they financially incentivize medical malpractice and killed a lot of people of ventilators from Desivir and other things while denying effective treatment to them. You know, when we don't address these key issues, you know, for a child or anybody, then it has a tendency to spread. And if we don't get to this rotten moral core that we have in this country, that's basically what we saw happening to a lot of people while you were in jail. How long were you in jail for?

Well, I was imprisoned for seven years and a little under four months. Wow. Wow. And you did some hard time too. Let's, let's talk about the CMU, but before we do, let's bring in, cause we've got Ennis waiting there, Ennis Bosnick. And he was a big help to you while this was all happening. You talked about how he gave you free hosting for freemartyg.com, which is where people could support your efforts and help Dana while this was all happening.

Tell us a little bit about, or Mr. Bosnik could tell us about his story. What is happening in his country? Hello, sir. First of all, thank you for giving us this opportunity to talk about this case of my friend Marty here that I didn't know before this case. Well, thank you for what you did. I'll just tell everybody the reason you've got a mask on there is because, you know, we have, this is where we are now around the world. We got, uh, governments that are so tyrannical, you know, they're

looking to identify people. And so, um, that's, that's why you have that there. You don't want to have your, your face shown. So tell us a little bit about your story and what has happened to you, um, in, uh, in Bosnia. Well, there is a lot of stories, but let's stick to the Marty's one, uh, in this case, and maybe later we can discuss some other stories that I think are really important for today's life on this earth.

Uh, when you say this kids got mistreat even some of them got dead and stuff like that i'm highly religious man i believe in god and he see everything that they do yes and one day there will be a judge you know not the judge that put the Marquis in prison for 7 plus years, but one judge, you know. And what I seeing here is transgender, agenda this and number that, it's just the work of Iblis. You know, Iblis, he directly rejected the god's order and he said then please allow me to be with them until the judgment day and i will show you how they follow me not you yeah and this

is what we see my friend all around you if you go on the street and look across here let me not you yeah and this is what you see my friend all around you if you go on the street and look across here let me show you since you asked for bosnia across my balcony there is the street where the guys who killed like thousands of people you know they just slaughtered them like this and now they have like little state Republic of subska they call it you know my Republic of Bosnia got the status of the Republic and this aggressor got half of the state because my fake president signed this contract with them, you know. But let's get back to the Marty. Since the war in Bosnia, even before the war, I was the guy who I had a brother who was genius

regarding the electronics and stuff like that. So he teach me about this. But I lost him in the war. And after the war after i was starting my stuff during the war i had to produce electricity because we didn't have electricity the enemy cut off the power lines so my grandpa showed me there is tesla induction motor if you reverse this engine to spin it in reverse, it will produce energy. And I had a little waterfall next to my house, so we had this spinning wheel,

and that is how it all started. And one day after war, when the Marty case, one mutual friend, now the Kevin, he told me like hey man there is some issues with friend of mine Marty he's stuck in jail and can you talk to Dana his wife they having issue with this website they need to set up and I was familiar with the case of Justina Pelletier previously, because, you know, it's all over the place. So, immediately I was like, yeah, let's go some do, let's do some good deed, you know. I'm doing good deeds, as you say, they, all they taking care about is the money.

Yes. Money, why? Do you know how money got invented on this planet? When the people was living in the caves and there was Iblis come to you and talk to you like, hey, you're a bigger guy than this one. You should kill him. And all of these wives then become your wives and stuff like that. So since then they invented the kings. You know, king, oh oh you should be the king

and here is the money here is the money and when first coin got invented de blis put it on his forehead and you know it's still it's still melted melting here and he say whoever is looking for you you know whoever wish you is mine yeah and a long story short i was looking to good do some good deeds so yeah i will help whoever got in prison for telling the truth and then i set up the site and what is interesting story and why i'm here to discuss this is the you know I do this professionally for living all my life and this was just another website on my infrastructure and I had set up some monitoring devices in order to be professional you know and keep my uptime and something is bad or under some attacks so i received the alerts and there is usual operations

from china and there is a lot of chinese guys having nothing to do just scanning the networks all day long but there is some particular issues with the marty g's host when i set up this site immediately i got taped by some IP addresses that I later on discovered belonged to your government and some of these agencies. Wow. And then when they're trying to sniff the traffic on my machines and the traffic of my network, I will left them the logs, you know, the messages for them. They expecting to see, for example, the PHP version on the machine. And there is message for them like AFPI, maybe to lead, you need to eat more of Pura.

Later on in some of these modified queries that are talking this endpoint, I see the question like, he's asking to this database that is trying to, you know, hack in, he's trying those passwords and Pura is in it, like the word, you know? That is how I know that they got the messages. And that is interesting. I found it interesting what kind of government

wished to suppress the information that contained only the facts. You know? That's right. Just facts. That's right. So what kind of government is that? It's our government. I mean...

It's our government. Yeah mean. It's our government. Yeah. Yeah. And let me tell you this here. My country here is experimental field done by your government. By your government also is just puppetry, you know? There is no president, my friend. That's right.

There is just a puppet. That's right. Yeah yeah it's amazing that they would go to that extent you know when you look at this that yeah oh national security we have everything we have to do is is a secret and it's all about national security and yet everybody's heard the situation with marty's case you know this revolved around a medical kidnapping of a young girl who was severely damaged by the hospital. And as he is being held in jail, our government has decided they're so political, they're so pervasive in everything they do, they decide that they are going to attack this website that's being hosted in Bosnia. It's amazing i don't wish i don't wish to say anything that they can put marty back in jail you know right i don't wish to say anything that

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the technicians was just doing the shit but the mastermind who was like it was some pedophile and i will tell him fuck you man and you can come anytime in bosnia to visit me you know yeah and in order to keep it offline, he need to unplug the servers is back behind this wall. Yeah. Welcome. Yeah. Wow.

That's amazing. And of course you never charged Marty a penny for that all the years that you had. Uh, to be honest, his wife sent me maybe once or twice 50 bucks because my government blocked my company and all my bank accounts. I was not able to feed my kids and a lot of other issues. So our government got the job. Yeah. Our government got your government to freeze your bank account.

Uh, because yeah. Wow. That's amazing. And this of course is happening before the big, uh, publicized event where Tr the big, uh, publicized event where Trudeau, uh, froze the accounts of anybody who helped or supported or,

uh, the, the freedom convoy, my bank accounts was black for other reasons. Not Marty. Oh, okay. All right. No, my bank account got blocked because I reported my government paying taxes every month 44 000 euros per month for the security and the apartment where he stayed miss miss bilana plovshich bilana plovshich is a war criminal, which is prosecuted by the judge in, you know, Dean Haag International Court for Ex-Yugoslavia. So this lady got 22 years, but she was released after eight years,

and she's living in the Belgrade in the private villa. And this villa, you know, it's owned by the guy who is president of this state across my balcony. Wow. You know, and that guy giving the bill every month, 44K euro to my government to pay for the living costs

of the war criminal who killed my brother and half of my family. Wow. You know. Wow. I'm sorry to see what you've gone through here. There's going to be quite a few tales, I think, are going to come out of Ukraine eventually. Because this has taken decades for, and not that much information has come out of your country to ours as to what was happening.

Because of suppression, my friend. That's right. That's right. Because you don't meet often people like me. Yeah, that's right. Well, thank you for doing that. Thank you, sir, for giving us this opportunity. I know how difficult it is to put your life on the line for principles and to defend other people.

And when we talk about your what you experienced marty tell people this is the other reason i wanted to get you on so that people could see how uh both you know in bosnia how our government is is still influencing things there but to see how uh totalitarian they are and all these different aspects. But of course, it really is about speech. And long before they started cracking down on free speech, they were cracking down on speech in their prisons with a communication management unit. And that's one of the other things that I wanted you to educate people about, the CMU.

We have one in Indiana where you were, and I think there's, what, one or two more. Is there another one? And maybe a third one is being built or something like that. But tell people about the CMU, what it is for, and how they treat the prisoners there. And sorry, guys, because I have to leave. I appreciate it. Yes. Thank you very much. I'll let you go. I'll review this later, Marty. Okay. Thank you very much. And hopefully let you go. I'll review this later, Marty. Okay. Thank you very much.

And hopefully we will talk some times later. Thank you very much for what you have done. Yes, I appreciate that. And thank you for the rest of this. Thank you. Okay. Bye-bye. That's Enes Boznik and his company that helped Marty with,

and you heard the story there. Marty, tell us a little bit about these communication management units. So when I arrived at the Terre Haute communications management unit on April 1st, 2019, it was basically there are two types of prisoners there. The first was political prisoners and the second were radical Islamic terrorists. It's an interesting mix, but they use the terrorism cases as the excuse to suppress the political cases. So they built this unit during the Iraq and Afghanistan wars to house some of the guys that they arrested back then. And they put them under this kind of total communications management under the theory that, you know, they had to police entirely their outbound communications to prevent them from engaging, orchestrating, encouraging further terrorist acts against the United States. Once they had the unit kind of established for that,

they realized it would also be really useful for cases like mine, where people are speaking to the press, and there is press involvement, and they want to control that message and kind of limit it. After I started kind of writing about it, they tried to shift the population a little bit. But it's still largely a political prisoner unit. You know, I was punished there for trying to litigate. I was punished for writing to journalists. I was denied contact with my attorneys. I was denied the ability to exchange legal documents on multiple occasions. They would not let, just now when I was released,

they would not allow my attorney to come the day before I was released to take my legal documents. I actually had to cart, you know, three 70 pound boxes of legal documents to the Greyhound stop when I left prison and arranged for them to be UPS'd from there. It's very Orwellian and there are basically no rules. So they'll say that there are these communications rules and they'll kind of point to them, but they're very vague and they even go outside the vagueness of the rules. So for example, when I would try to talk to the press, or if I had tried to call into your show, they would try to write me up for circumvention of monitoring, even though they're monitoring the call live in real time. You know, yeah, it just doesn't fit, doesn't square with the rule as it's written. And then, you know, they have the, you know, bogus officers who hear these quote unquote incident reports.

Right. And they always find you guilty. Like they don't care what the facts are. You know what I mean? You can't get anything in edgewise. And they falsify the record. All right. And that happened with me and also with another fellow I'm going to speak about. So, you know, you had my case there. You also have a guy named Donnie Reynolds Jr. And Donnie, we believe, was the original intended straw man weapons purchaser for Operation Fast and Furious. Donnie was an NRA member. He's Black. He was active in the hip-hop community. He was an antique firearms collector. The feds raided his house. They kind of, I think, assumed that they would find something they could use for leverage over Donnie. But Donnie was a legitimate businessman

and they really didn't find anything. So then began this kind of like suppression operation where, you know, they went and they intimidated witnesses. They made it very difficult for Donnie kind of to defend himself. I wrote about Donnie's case, and then the American Conservative Union actually followed up on my writing about Donnie's case. They did this months-long investigation, published a 5,000-word piece, and it ultimately recommended clemency for Donnie because of prosecutorial misconduct. That clemency, unfortunately, was not granted before January 20th, 2021. But there's huge evidentiary problems with Donnie's case. The whole case hinges on this one wrapper that they claim to have found in Donnie's garbage. And the chain of custody on that is suspicious at best. But meanwhile, Donnie's been trying to exonerate himself.

He has business records. The money they say that he was laundering, he has records that show this suspicious at best. But meanwhile, Donnie's been trying to exonerate himself. You know, he has business records. The money they say that he was laundering, you know, he has records that show, you know, this was income from concerts and events that he was putting on and promoting. But, you know, they try to obtain those records. They stop Donnie from getting to anyone on the outside who can try to help him. They threaten lawyers who consider taking Donnie's case. They threaten witnesses. They've locked up his son. You know, they've come to the house, you know, pointed guns at Donnie's family. And this is all to try to keep Operation Fast and Furious under wraps. You know, for those who don't know, Operation Fast and Furious was started under

the George W. Bush administration as Operation Wide Receiver. The idea, I think, under the Bush administration was basically a sting operation. They were going to lure the cartels with these fully automatic armor-piercing weapons and then trace the weapons to the cartels and arrest the cartel members. Under the Obama administration, Wide Rece changed and became fast and furious. And it's not quite clear what the Obama administration's motive or intent was. I have a theory about that. Yeah, I think a lot of people do. It was to scare people against domestic gun purchases and to be used as an excuse to curtail the Second Amendment.

Yeah. The U.N. Arms Trade Treaty, I think, was a big part of that. And the idea would be that against domestic gun purchases to be used as an excuse to curtail the Second Amendment. Yeah, the UN Arms Trade Treaty, I think, was a big part of that. And the idea would be that we got this leak. And see, here's our program. We just show you how this happened. And we got this leak of weapons across the border. We got to stop that. And in order to stop it, we got to trace every gun inside the United States to make sure that doesn't happen.

It was, I think, creating a motivation to push through the UN Arms Trade Treaty, in my opinion. I think definitely was geared towards gun control, towards an excuse of we have to curb or radically control domestic sales because of what's happening south of the border. In the end, the Justice Department gave the cartels an obscene amount of weaponry that the cartels then used as cartels do. And there's a lot of bloodshed south of the border. And we never really got answers as to who in the Justice Department approved this. When the Obama administration received a congressional subpoena, I believe from the House, but someone can correct me if I'm incorrect. They asserted executive privilege. So they basically pled the fifth. That's the governmental equivalent of pleading the fifth when there's an assertion of executive privilege. You know, they don't get to assert executive privilege against Donnie.

Like Donnie has a right to this information. You know, that's under a decision in our Supreme Court called Brady, where if the government's going to prosecute you, you're entitled to all the evidence the government has that speaks towards your innocence, right? And so Donnie's case is a very interesting case to me because I think it's potentially a vehicle to get some of these answers if we can only get him back into court, right, and have his rights actually honored. They would have to answer some of these things as to the origin of this operation, right? And that's, I think, really why they're so hard on Donnie

and why he's in a communications management unit. And it would just be very interesting to see the truth come out in that case. But I know Donnie very well. I know him personally. He looked out for me. I don't believe that he was guilty, and his is not the only such case in those CMUs. for, uh, for rather a long time with these cases.

How many of them would you like to hear? Well, I want to hear also about, you know, the, um, how they manage your communication that they keep you essentially, um, uh, cut off completely from the outside world. As you point out, this is, you know, really convenient for political prisoners. Uh, you do a. This is really convenient for political prisoners. You do a lot of time in solitary confinement as well, don't you, there? I spent several months in solitary confinement in the communications management unit. They put me there the first time when I was trying to litigate. They said that my attempted litigation was extortion.

They wrote me up for that. I'm in court on that now, too, and that we're going to hopefully get to some kind of meaningful answer on that as well. And then they operate kind of like a snitch network inside the CMUs. And so when I first arrived there and made it clear that I was intending to report on some of these cases, various people came up to me and told me the various ways the government would retaliate against me if I did that. In the end, one of those snitches ended up writing something. I'm not exactly sure what he said, but they put me in solitary again from September of 2021 to January of 2022, and ultimately transferred me to the other CMU. You

asked how many of them there are. There are two for men. I believe there's a CMU-like unit for women, but they don't call it a CMU, but it's fundamentally the same thing. The other one is in Marion, Illinois. So I spent about 10 months in Marion, Illinois before they ultimately transferred me back to Terre Haute. You only get two phone calls a week. They're 15 minutes long. The average prisoner in the Bureau of Prisons gets at least 300 phone minutes a month. You don't get that in the CMU. They want to control everything you say. So like in the CMU, if I'm talking to my wife and I say, tell mom I say hi, that's a rule violation. They'll write you up for that and take your phone and take your good time. They'll actually hold you in prison longer for saying, tell mom I said hi. Why is that a violation?

Third-party communications. They'll say it's third-party communication, that you're relaying a message to somebody else on the outside. And this stuff, it really can't stand constitutional scrutiny. You know what I mean? Like when I tried to write to a Forbes journalist, they said it was attempted circumvention of mail monitoring. And then they're quoting from the very message they're claiming they couldn't monitor. Like it's like,

it just proves that it's not mail monitoring. The ultimate goal is to suppress protected conduct and to prevent litigation. Like they make it very, very hard to get a lawyer. And that's something that Donnie and a lot of these other guys are struggling with. So there's another case there, a guy named Kurt Johnson. Kurt's an absolute hero. He stopped the murder in the CMU. There was a guy there. He killed one. He was going to kill another.

Kurt interceded, saved the other man's life. He's now trying to get back up to the Supreme Court on a really important issue. I referred him to my Supreme Court lawyer, right? And they will not now allow Kurt to send privileged mail to my Supreme Court lawyer. They've blocked that. And they've said that, you know, because the Supreme Court lawyer, his office is in one state and his bar membership is in another, they won't allow him to send this mail. And it's like, well, he practices before the Supreme Court. Like what state he's licensed in is really irrelevant. It really irrelevant. It's unsurprising to me that he would be licensed in one state and have an office in another when he practices before a court that has jurisdiction across the entire

country. Kurt's not trying to go in on a local Indiana issue. He's trying to go up to the Supreme Court on an issue that affects a lot of white collar cases. And they won't allow Kurt to send this lawyer legal mail. And then my legal legal mail has been read, like my legal, like it's not supposed to be read. Right. But they read it. Uh, it arrives already open sometimes other times, you know, they're sitting there literally reading it before they hand it to, um, they read your outbound mail. I was not allowed to send certain things out, uh, to my attorneys.

And it's, it's legal mail. I'm not supposed to read it, but they'd give it back to me and say, you know, you can't send that. Wow. Yeah. That's the thing uh you know the we're seeing this in a lot of different ways and this is happening uh on the outside in a lot of ways that people don't see it but this type of situation when you're in the prison it's done out in the open it's done in your face but it reveals the character of this government and it is pervasive throughout this government what we're seeing here with this this attitude uh towards free speech freedom any rule of law and they they throw out the constitution and they come up with their

minute details uh to lock us down and every every single thing in every different aspect it's truly amazing to see that and that's what people need to understand. And I think there's a third CMU that's being built if I'm not mistaken. Because I guess this is going to be the way that they're going to be increasingly putting people in there. You talked about how they conflated political prisoners with actual terrorists. Well, of course, they are, since you've been in prison, calling parents who show up and speak out at the school board against the grooming of their kids. They call them domestic terrorists. So I guess, you know, if you're convicted by them, they can get the CMU treatment as well. We've seen this type of targeted persecution of people with Ross Ulbrich. Uh, actually I think, you know, when you're talking about, uh, Boston and the things that were going up on up there with the, uh, local, uh, prosecutors, uh, it made me think of Aaron

Schwartz's case where the local prosecutors didn't see anything wrong. You know, he got some information from the Harvard computer. It wasn't any, uh, any big deal, but the feds came in and were coming after him for a lot of charges, but he was, he kept fighting them on with that. And, um, then they said, well, in despair, he took his own life. This is a guy who was a fighter. He was constantly fighting the system just as you have. I never believed that he committed suicide.

But that's where we saw the federal government coming in and overriding local prosecutors who didn't see a crime. They invented one in the case of Aaron Schwartz. We've seen this over and over again, and it truly is amazing. I am so glad that you are out now. Thank you. Yeah, thank you. Thank you very much.

Aaron's case was MIT, not Harvard. It was a JSTOR archive, and they were coming after him for 35 years in federal prison for trying to allow Americans whose taxes had paid for academic research to actually be able to read that research. It was paywalled behind a third party that had not produced the research. And that was ultimately what Aaron died for one way or the other. And I was charged under the exact same law by the exact same US attorney as Aaron Swartz. And I think that was part of the reason they were concerned with the optics and the other. And I was charged under the exact same law by the exact same U.S. attorney as Aaron Swartz. And I think that was part of the reason they were concerned with the optics and the politics of my case. Tell me that attorney, what was that attorney's name, the federal attorney? So that was Carmen M. Ortiz. She was the U.S. attorney under Obama. She ended up leaving office

in disgrace, largely. She lost one of her big big cases and then she was not able to go run for mayor or run for senate or or get like a partnership in a big firm i remember they were grooming her for higher office and uh and that case with aaron schwartz blew up in her face and her husband uh tweeted out when people said that uh were saying that she drove him to suicide he came back and said no she was offering him plea bargain of, uh, just like 30 months. And, uh, and he refused that because he wanted to fight this thing. And then he pulled that down. Uh, but people got a clip of that. And so that made me even more suspicious about the claims of suicide. She also got into a lot of trouble because she went after with the war on drugs and civil asset forfeiture. She confiscated a hotel that had over 15 years,

they'd had, I think three drug busts at this hotel. None of them had anything to do with the hotel owners, but because those drug busts happened on that hotel grounds, they came, she came after them to confiscate that. And that really blew up in her face. So that,

and she was the one who was part of yours as well. Boy, she was a piece of work. Wasn she yeah i mean she's people on both sides of the political spectrum uh denounce her wow pretty roundly wow that's amazing well we have a couple of comments for use of prosecutorial discretion yeah please go ahead that's right we had a couple of comments here aaron moss uh writes marty traded his life for a little girl's life. That's a man. And that absolutely is true. I second that. I appreciate it. It is truly honorable what you did and it is a stark contrast with our dark government, if ever there was one. It truly is amazing to see this. Audi MRR says government prosecutes people out of retaliation all the time.

They do. And even after they get a conviction and put you in jail, they're still retaliating against you. Yeah, they go out to your website. You can't even have a website that tries to put out the truth. And the funny thing is they were trying to do to my website the same federal crime that they alleged that I was doing. So it's all right when they do it, but it's not all right when it's a little girl's life on the line. Oh, you better not. But if you're saying something on the internet

that we disagree with, we're going to do exactly what we accused you of doing to try to bring your website down. That's right. That's right. Well, what are your plans now? I'm so happy to see that you and Dana reunited. Uh, what are your plans now? I know you've done a lot of writing while you were in prison. And, um, is, is that what you're looking at doing now? So I'm going to create a sub stack. I'm going to update all the websites like the free Marty G site to link to that sub stack. I'm definitely going to keep writing because there are all these CMU cases that I still care a lot about. I did four years with these guys. I was in prison for a little while before I got to the CMU. So I'm going to continue fighting for justice for them. But, you know, these fights are time and very capital intensive.

And so I'm going to find the most prominent role that I can in business cyber counter warfare. And I'm going to use that role and use that platform for the advocacy that I want to do elsewhere as well. Good, good. Well, it's so good to see that you're out of jail. I saw it on social media and there was a statement, well, we're hoping that Marty's going to get out. We hope it doesn't happen like it did last time.

I guess it was one time you were hoping that you're going to be released and they shut it down at the last minute. They tried to hold on to me, you know, with everything in their power. Yeah. Well, be careful because I know they're going to try to get you back in there.

It's just amazing how, how vindictive and relentless they are. And it really does show the character of our government. And it's a frightening thing for all of us. If we understand this, because, uh, Marty is not exceptional.

You know, this could happen to anybody as we've been saying, you know, these politicians who don't do anything for our freedom, they let this politicized police state exist and they need to understand. And as we're starting to see now getting very high profile politicians charged with stuff.

We see the unequal application of the law. That's what happens when they don't have the guts to stand up, but you had the guts to stand up and, and, uh, I'm sorry that that happened to you, but, uh, certainly, uh, you can hold your head high and I'm sorry that that happened to Dana, but I'm so glad that you're out. Keep in touch. Let us know what is happening, okay? I will.

One last thing. There was, the staff had told us in the CMUs, and they've later rescinded this, that they were going to move the CMU program to a much larger location in Cumberland, Maryland. And when I heard that, I couldn't help but think of the January Sixers. I think that that was very much the intention. I don't know if it's still kind of the intention, but if they've been looking for an excuse to grow the program instead of close the program with the end of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, I think the program was facing an existential issue as to how to justify its continued operation. And I think they have their eyes

on the January Sixers. Well, it's James Madison who said the weapons of fighting wars abroad become instruments of tyranny at home. And if they wanted to begin this thing by saying they were going to push back against Islamic terrorism, it's now they're the ones who are terrorizing American citizens. And we can see that with January Six. I can imagine that is probably exactly what they're going to do. They certainly don't want people who have been, had these charges ramped up and

escalated beyond all reason, excessive punishments beyond people's imagination. They certainly don't want them talking to the press and they don't, and they want to make it difficult for them to do appeals. I can certainly imagine that that's part of it. Looking at Stuart Rhodes and a guy who's a lawyer, they're going to want to keep him in some kind of a CMU where he is incommunicado. Uh, that's how they act as terrorists. Thank you so much,

Marty. Again, you're going to start a sub stack and people will be able to find that on free Marty g.com. Uh, and Facebook, Twitter, all that.

Yep. Good, good. Thank you very much. and uh so happy for you say hi to dana she has been on your side relentlessly i know and it really very lucky it really broke my heart uh you know there was some hope not much hope that uh there'd be some pardons you know for people like you and for people like r Ulbrich. And I know Lynn Ulbrich, uh, for years has fought for Ross and to see the, see you guys passed over and to know Dana and to know Lynn and to see,

uh, you know, Trump, uh, giving pardons to these big white collar criminals that obviously gave him money under the table, if not above the table. It's just amazing to me to see that. So one of the other things that I cannot stomach about that man, but I'm sorry to put that on your interview here. It's just another indication. And I guess, you know, the problem with Mr. Reynolds is that he doesn't have $2 million to give to Rudy Giuliani.

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