The David Knight Show - Fri Episode #2042: Mercury in Vaccines Isn’t a Conspiracy — It’s on the CDC Agenda

Starting point is 00:00:00 Music In a world of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. It's the David Knight Show. As the clock strikes 13, it is Friday, the 27th of June, Year of our Lord 2025. And today we're going gonna look at the lives of the mainstream media and big pharma when it comes to mercury in the vaccines. We're also gonna look at a horrifying story of a would-be serial killer that crucified a pastor

Starting point is 00:00:56 inside his own home. And in the second hour, we're talking with Jack Lawson. And in the third, we're replaying a classic interview that my dad did with G Van Fleet, the woman who wrote Mao's America. Stay with us. We'll be right back. The Good morning and thank you for joining us on this lovely Friday. Hope you've all had a good week and I hope you're all gearing up for a nice weekend.

Starting point is 00:02:16 I know we've looked at a bunch of terrible stories. It's easy to let this get you down, but we should always prioritize family and building community so I hope that you have some fun plans this Friday I hope you're not letting this eat you alive don't stare too long into the abyss but as I said we're gonna start by looking at the lies of the mainstream media and big pharma when it comes to mercury and the vaccines. But before we do even that, I want to make sure that I thank the people who have contributed via Zelle and Cash App. From Cash App we've got John W., Derek, Christopher, Amy B., and Andrew S. Now we're going to move

Starting point is 00:03:00 on to Zell. We've got Scott Lippman, Ronald H, Joseph R, Janice W, Matthew S, Lisa K, Kevin H, Mary Ellen Moore, Michael L, Michael L again, William W, Adam D, Maurice W, Mitchell M, Josephine C, Maurice W. Mitchell M. Josephine C. Kelly K. Kevin M. William R. Gretchen C. Marco V. J.H. Susan L. Sean S. Robert A. Sally D. Susan L. Kenneth C. Denise L. J.H. Benjamin R. William We thank you all so very much. Gregory N, Juan R, Kenneth C, and Scott L. We thank you all so very much. It is because of you that we are able to continue doing the show. You have been so incredibly generous and we really do appreciate it. Thank you all so very much. As I said, we're gonna start with the CDC. After years of silence, new CDC vaccine panel to vote on mercury in the flu shots. That's right. All these years, they've been saying, there's no mercury in there. We took it out. We took it out. Don't worry about it. But it was a lie. It was a lie. This is by Suzanne Burdek,

Starting point is 00:04:40 PhD, and this is on children's health defense. The CDC's Vaccine Advisory Committee will vote next week on the mercury-based flu vaccine according to an advisory committee on immunization practices, ACIP ASIP, meeting agenda draft posted today on the ASIP website. The committee will also vote on RSV vaccines for pregnant mothers, babies, and young children. That's right, they're going to vote on it. They're going to see whether they want to poison pregnant mothers, babies, and young children. That's right, they're gonna vote on it. They're gonna see whether they want to poison pregnant mothers, babies and young children. I'm gonna think about it real hard before they decide

Starting point is 00:05:12 if they want to inject this garbage, this poison into those extremely vulnerable groups. Isn't that wonderful? They're gonna give it a nice long thought. Hmm, do we think that they should inject this poison? This will be the first meeting since US Health and Human Services HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. tapped eight new ACIP members just days after moving all seventeen former members what he called a clean sweep.

Starting point is 00:05:35 They needed to reestablish public confidence in vaccine science. Don't ever trust them. Don't ever trust these people. They've proven untrustworthy. The entire system is corrupt. It's paid off. It's bought and paid for by big pharma. The vaccine science. The science that gave us the warp speed vaccine. The vaccine that is now giving us turbo cancer, warp speed cancer, and killing who knows how many people across the globe. That's right, he's going to re-establish public confidence. That's all he's here to do, maybe. He's not gonna do any major changes, anything real. He's gonna have

Starting point is 00:06:15 them look at the science and go, oh well, you know, we put in new people. You can trust us again. Where they vote vote ASAP members will hear presentations on respiratory sin- sin-ky-tyle virus or RSV. Vaccines including Merck's new RSV shot for newborns. RSV is something they desperately try to scare you with. My wife and I of course had our first child last year and when we would go to the doctors for her checkups

Starting point is 00:06:47 when she was pregnant, they were continually trying to get her to take an RSV vaccine. They were continually trying to say, well, you can get one, and it'll pass the immunization onto the baby. They were working very, very hard to make it as scary as possible. Oh, if you don't get this, the baby could get RSV. It could be life-threatening. It's like, well, what are the chances of it being life-threatening?

Starting point is 00:07:13 It's not very great. Very likely it would be a minor ordeal. Last week, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, FDA, approved the new shot, even though clinical trials showed an 11.71% rate of serious adverse events, including death. Over a 10% rate, over a 1 in 10 chance that if you inject your child, they'll have some kind of serious adverse event. It doesn't specify what the rate of death is, but there's 10% chance of something serious or potentially death. Discussions but no votes are slated for other vaccines including COVID-19, Chikungunya,

Starting point is 00:07:59 Anthrax and MMRV, Measles Bumps, Rubella, Vericella. Oh nice, they're adding more to the MMR vaccine. Isn't that wonderful? Rubella and varicella sounds like some kind of Italian pasta dish. ASIP decides which vaccine should be recommended to the public, who should take them, and how often. I recommend, personally, from this is just my own opinion, that you don't get them at all. Who should take them and how often. Recommendations. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, from, this is just my own opinion, that you don't get them at all. Who should take them and how often? Recommendations, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, CDC typically rubber stamps

Starting point is 00:08:31 and publishes on its immunization schedules. Committee will meet June 25th through 26th in Atlanta, Georgia. Thimerosal is a mercury-based preservative used in multi-dose vials of the flu vaccine, including, according to the CDC, most single-dose vials and pre-filled syringes of the flu shot don't contain the preservative as they're intended for single use. Most of them don't because they're you know just

Starting point is 00:08:57 get there we're not holding them for too long they don't need to be preserved. Over 25 years ago, the vaccine industry leaders and public health officials concealed evidence from the CDC's own database that linked thimerosal to neurodevelopmental disorders in children, including autism. According to transcripts from a meeting in Norcross, Georgia, the US government has long said that thimerosal poses no harm to children. And of course, we know that that's not true. That isn't true at all. Thimeririsal, of course, being Mercury. Mercury has a long history of causing people various kinds of damage. In fact, the mad Hatter from Alice in Wonderland is mad because of Mercury. Hatters in England used to work with Mercury. It was part of how they did their job. They were exposed to mercury vapor, and it would cause them To go through cognitive decline and give them serious mood swings That's where the term mad as a hatter comes from because they were poisoning themselves with mercury

Starting point is 00:09:56 Seems we've forgotten that so now we're not going to use it to make hats anymore, but inject it into your children Apparently the vapor is dangerous, but if you inject it directly into a child it's just fine. The US government has long said the mayors all poses no harm to children. What liars they are. What liars. However in 2001 out of what the agency said was an abundance of caution the CDC said the ingredient would no longer be used in childhood vaccines. They can't stop lying, can they? They just can't bring themselves to tell the truth. A recent investigation by journalist Cheryl Atkisson proved both statements untrue.

Starting point is 00:10:39 The Mirosol's potential to harm kids has been on Kennedy's radar for over a decade. In 2014, RFK Jr. edited a book on the topic thimerosal. Let the science speak, the evidence supporting the immediate removal of mercury, a no neurotoxin from vaccines. It's a mouthful of a title there. The CDC webpage for flu shot safety considerations during pregnancy makes no mention of thimerosal, nor does it encourage pregnant women to be sure they get the flu shot from a single dose vial or pre-filled syringe to avoid mercury exposure. That's right. They'll do what they can to obfuscate it by saying, oh well we removed it from these certain ones, we removed it,

Starting point is 00:11:18 but they won't tell you to make sure that you get the dosage that doesn't have it in there. Next week, ACIP members will hear a presentation on thimerosal in vaccines and a presentation on proposed recommendations for flu vaccines that contain thimerosal. The names of the presenters were not listed on the agenda at press time. The committee will also vote on flu vaccines that don't contain thimerosal. Dr. Meryl Nass, who has attended many past ACIP meetings, said, there is no need for thimerosal, a known neurotoxin. As it is not used in single dose files,

Starting point is 00:11:48 its use should be ended. Reactions to the ACIP meeting agenda were mixed. Some said it signaled that the CDC is veering off course. Others called for even more change. Brian Hooker, PhD, Children's Health Defense, CHD Chief Scientific Officer, said that although he was encouraged by Kennedy's selections for the new ACIP members, he was disappointed in the slate of meeting presenters

Starting point is 00:12:08 and moderators. It is the same old cast of CDC characters, that's right, business as usual. From the National Center for Infectious and Respiratory Diseases, who present a very biased viewpoint, Hooker said, CDC's culture is vaccinology as a religion. We saw that religion kicked into high gear with COVID. We saw what they were willing to do if you didn't get the vaccine. Not just the government. When it comes to forcing you out of your job, mandating that you get it, or allowing businesses to mandate that you get it. Of course it was extremely difficult for those in the military. They made it almost impossible, or at least very, very difficult to avoid getting the jab while maintaining your job.

Starting point is 00:12:50 Jason Barker, of course, helped a lot of people by writing a letter that they could use as a template to craft their own, to hopefully get an exemption. Really makes you wonder what else they're lying about. If they have this thing which is known to be a problem that they claim they removed, but secretly slip it in through the back door. Yeah. What other studies and things have they just blatantly lied about? My bet is on everything. Every single thing. Got some comments? KW68.

Starting point is 00:13:25 Mercury is bad, mad as a hatter, but go ahead and inject some. There are big pushes to take thermostats out that hit Mercury, but here we are. Mad as a hatter. We're all mad here. I'm pretty mad about it myself. Denver Attaway. Best science money can prop up. That's right, it's all.

Starting point is 00:13:44 When you're paying that kind of money, you wanna make sure that you're getting your money's worth. Little Ford Schoolhouse. Oh yes, RSV, when Michael was in the NICU, they tried to force us into it because of his heart condition. We had one doctor tell us we were going to kill him because we refused it.

Starting point is 00:13:59 She had her assistant bring in a huge stack of papers with information on it trying to pressure us into getting it for him. Still after telling him no, she told us he would die because we didn't get it for him. That is despicable. It is utterly despicable. This doctor motivated by nothing but greed and propaganda. You're going to kill your child. Of course, the implication being there that you don't love your child. Because if you did, you would make sure that you don't love your child because if you did you would make sure that they aren't going to be killed by this. How despicable. I have lost all respect for those in

Starting point is 00:14:33 the medical field. Your love is measured by how much you spend on big pharma for them regardless of any potential side effects. Just blindly spend money. Exactly. Just accept what the experts tell you. Just do what they say. They have your best interests at heart. They would never lie. They would never just take a payoff to push something. And it's reached a point where it's just become common consensus. The propaganda is self-sustaining at this point. Those in the medical field have always had a very large ego. And it has reached a point where it's nearly a singularity,

Starting point is 00:15:16 a black hole, where it is impossible for them to escape its gravitational well. They are all pulled in and brought down by it. They refuse to accept the idea that maybe they've got it wrong. That maybe there's some other science out there, some better science that wasn't bought and paid for, that shows these vaccines are harming people. Another comment from Little Ford's schoolhouse about the doctor. I'll never forget her and unfortunately it isn't for the exceptional care

Starting point is 00:15:45 She gave him it's because it's because she told us we were baby killers for not getting it She actually told us it wasn't a vaccine but a therapy. That's right. They'll lie. They'll They'll shift and change the terms they use to try to bully or cajole you into this They will engage in all kinds of fear-mongering and fear tactics. It is despicable. Doctors have become nothing but propaganda pieces. RFK Jr. slams the Guardian for false claims

Starting point is 00:16:18 about thimerosal in vaccines. This is from Children's Health Defense. In an X-post, HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. cited peer reviewed studies and the actual labels on vaccines is counted as the Guardian's Pharma financed. Claims that Thiamirisol is safe and has been removed from childhood vaccines. And of course, Big Pharma finances many many news outlets. They pay for advertisements

Starting point is 00:16:43 on all the news outlets as far as I'm aware. Find Marisol is safe, but don't worry, we've removed it when in fact it is not safe and they haven't removed it. Exactly, they're lying on two fronts. They're quite capable when it comes to lying and fudging data. But the big pharma funds basically the entirety of the mainstream media to some extent or another. Anytime we, my wife and I take a trip, we go between here and Texas to visit family.

Starting point is 00:17:17 And so we normally stay at a hotel overnight in the middle. I'm continually amazed by the sheer number of drug-related commercials on the middle. I'm continually amazed by the sheer number of drug related commercials on the channels. No matter what you're watching it seems like, they're pushing some kind of drug. Whether it's for depression or some other issue. Whether it's serious or minor, they've got a drug to help you with it. And the side effects can be horrifying, they can be terrible, but they don't really cover them thoroughly.

Starting point is 00:17:51 They give you a very quick burst at the end, as always. In conformance with the pharma finance mainstream media's mantric ritual of dutifully parroting the propaganda trope, spoon-fed them by vaccine makers and their captive regulators. Guardian on Friday pronounced thymurisol, the ethylmercury-based vaccine preservative, safe. It's safe, people. The Guardian said so. You don't have to worry. And of course, if they really wanted to claim it was safe, shouldn't they have gotten a doctor to get them a big syringe of nothing but thimerosal and injected one of their reporters for some deep dive fact-based reporting? Wouldn't

Starting point is 00:18:33 that have been something? Well, if it's safe, surely you would do that to prove your point, right? But they won't. Of course they wouldn't do that. Appigning under the headline, CDC Vaccine Panel to Review Ingredient RFK. Junior has targeted for removal. The Guardian Authority will assures. The preservative has been deemed safe. That's right. Well, my dad, of course, has told you this story before,

Starting point is 00:18:54 but years ago, he got contacts, and thymirosal was a main ingredient in the contact solution. And so he would wake up in the morning, he would put the contacts in morning, he would put the contacts in, and it would turn his eyes blood-red. It would make them very uncomfortable and difficult to deal with. And so he went into... so he stopped wearing them. Then years later went to the doctor and said, you know, for an eye

Starting point is 00:19:20 check-up, and the doctor said, well would you like contacts? And he told them, like, oh no, no, I can't. Every time I would wear them. My eyes would turn blood red. It'd be painful I can't use those and the doctor straight-up told him. Oh that was because we they were putting thimerosal in it It was causing that reaction, but they don't do that anymore. They figured out it wasn't good to put that in there It was causing this for a lot of people They have put thimerosal in all kinds of things and all kinds of things have proven it's bad in all kinds of forms. The Guardian did not bother to cite any peer-reviewed study. They very rarely do. They love to make these claims. Oh, this has been debunked. That's been debunked. We saw that yesterday with the vaccine claims.

Starting point is 00:20:00 They love to just state from their position on high, we've proven this untrue. Who? Another paid for shill? Another bought and paid for opinion? A study that was put forth by the company that stands to make a lot of money if their product is deemed safe and effective? That's how it always goes. Little Ford Schoolhouse, we got kicked out of our pediatricians too. We actually had him for years until it came to this and he noticed all of our kids weren't up to date on vaccines. He ended up kicking us out due to non-compliance. It took me nearly three years to find one willing to take us. That's right. They'll do that because, of course, if they have a certain percentage of their clientele vaccinated, the insurance companies give them a payout they give them a

Starting point is 00:20:45 bonus and if they don't meet that they'll lose that so you being unwilling to vaccinate with multiple children might have been a threat to his metrics doesn't matter that he's supposed to give you he's as a doctor he's supposed to do no harm he should be willing to help anyone any child you, he's supposed to do no harm. He should be willing to help anyone, any child. You know, he's not. He's got to make sure that he meets his quotas. Marky Mark NJ Travis, when I stayed at a hotel during a road trip, I didn't watch TV until 4 p.m. during breakfast the next morning. There was a ton of big pharma commercials. It's truly insane.

Starting point is 00:21:21 I would bet that the majority of the commercials on the news channels are for some kind of drug Just anything and everything you can imagine they're pushing it and that's how they maintain control of the narrative It's because the news media does not want to go against their biggest sponsors. That's right Big Pharma makes the news a lot of money. This is another... Journalists don't seem to read those anymore. Instead, it referenced a fact-check website operated by the Pharma-funded American Academy of Pediatrics. Likewise, CITES no peer-reviewed study to support this claim, or it's equally terse assertion that thymirsal has been removed

Starting point is 00:22:01 from all routine childhood vaccines. This is another tread-worn lie of the vaccine industry. There are high bolus doses of mercury in flu shots, which CDC recommends to pregnant women in any trimester of pregnancy. This is a routine vaccine for children at 6 months and in every year of life. Flu vaccine of course being one of the most worthless vaccines that they'll jab you with. If any of them are worthwhile, the flu shot certainly is not, because the flu changes each year.

Starting point is 00:22:29 It changes continually, and they just try to guess at which strain might show up. They're like, oh, well, maybe it's this one. So jab yourself with this Russian roulette and see if it helps. Between conception and age 18, a compliant American child today could get a cumulative load of as much as 500 micrograms of ethyylmercury from multi-dose flu shots, nearly double what they were once getting from all childhood vaccines put together. Also, the Guardian claim that dimerosal is safe. A quick search at the National Library of Medicine's PubMed and PubChem websites nets

Starting point is 00:23:01 thousands of studies on search terms such as mercury, neurotoxicity, mercury in development, and mercury in brain, and hundreds that identify thimerosal as a potent neurotoxin, carcinogen, mutagen, and endocrine disruptor. There has never been a study that proves thimerosal safe. These people lie and they lie and they lie as easy as breathing for them. Thimerosal's material safety data sheet, MSDS, acknowledges that thimerosal is toxic and has nervous system and reproductive effects and is mutagenic in mammalian cells. That exposure to mercury and thimerosal in utero

Starting point is 00:23:35 and in children can cause mild to severe mental retardation and mild to severe motor coordination impairment. The MSDS lists a grim inventory of dozens of other devastating injuries from thimerosal exposure. In 2001, the National Institute for Environmental Health Sciences, NIEHS, revised its thimerosal toxicity statement, warning that thimerosal is toxic by ingestion and inhalation. I guess not by injection, though.

Starting point is 00:24:01 Injection? You're just hunky dory. Pump as much of that into your children as you want. Don't worry about it. It makes Big Pharma a lot of money, so it's nothing to be concerned about. It is your duty and your honor to poison your children for Big Pharma's profits. You should be so glad to be able to contribute to their record profits every year. Doesn't matter what happens to your children. It doesn't matter if they are permanently damaged. Doesn't matter if they have to,

Starting point is 00:24:34 if they experience SIDS and your child dies in the middle of the night because of the vaccines. It's your honor and duty. These people are despicable. These are some of the most wicked people you can imagine. Denver Attaway, thimerosal, calcifies the neuronal development of children's brains, limiting both physical and mental health and potential. It is a toxin. It is dangerous. It is damaging children. They don't care. They do it no matter what. They push it continually.

Starting point is 00:25:11 In 1998, the FDA banned thimerosal and all over-the-counter products, ending its use in creams, eye medicine and disinfectants like mercurochrome. It's ironic that the CDC still recommends its injection into babies. A 2000 study by the National Research Council found that prenatal and infant mercury exposures cause multiple impacts to basic brain development by disrupting the division and migration of neuronal cells, as Denver just said. Ethylmercury is a neurotoxin. Infants may be more susceptible than adults. We've seen that. Children get hit with it and it causes all kinds of issues,

Starting point is 00:25:53 from developmental issues to full-on retardation in some cases or death. The Guardian is blind and scientifically baseless. Repetition of empty industry assurances about thimerosal safety has yet another proof that journalists, and particularly science journalists, have now developed into obsequious stenographers for Big Pharma. That's right, whatever Big Pharma says is what they'll parrot, what they'll say back to them. Parrot back to the American people. New study comes out, thimerosal safe, injected into your children. Because the company that stands to make a billion, billion, billion dollars says so.

Starting point is 00:26:29 Shell- Shelly A. Poison you from the minute you were born with shots, chemicals, and EMF? Are we already transhumans? They're already completely evil. They're already the most despicable people on the planet. Targeting children. Over and over again they target children. CDC's new vaccine advisors vow to study cumulative effect of childhood vaccine schedule. That's right, they're gonna study it.

Starting point is 00:26:55 CDC's advisor committee began its two-day meeting today despite a call from Senator Bill Cassidy late Monday to delay it. Martin Kulldorf, PhD, the committee's new co-chair, opened the meeting by issuing public. The committee members will use evidence-based medicine to make vaccine recommendations. We've seen the type of evidence these people continually point to. The... bad studies, the bad data that they'll use to push their agenda. Are they gonna use that kind of evidence?

Starting point is 00:27:23 The kind of evidence that's bought and paid for by Big Pharma as we've talked about, as I've stated multiple times. But four out of five doctors smoke Lucky Strike cigarettes. Surely you can trust them. Exactly. Well, what's funny is that ironically America was healthier when the doctors were pushing cigarettes. When the doctors claimed cigarettes were beneficial,

Starting point is 00:27:46 somehow there were less people who were sick and sickly. Probably not as bad as injecting mercury into your veins. That's right. If we could go back to the days when the doctors were recommending cigarettes somehow and stop them from pushing vaccines somehow, I think we'd all be better off. Isn't that something to think about?

Starting point is 00:28:07 The number of vaccines that our children and adolescents receive today exceed what children in most other developed nations receive, and most of us in this room received when we were children. That's right, they're continually pushing more and more vaccines on children. They want to up the number. They want to hit them with more and more.

Starting point is 00:28:25 Simply for profit. RFK Jr. CDC vaccine panel backs Merck's RSV shot for infants. Is this the Make America Healthy Again plan that we're supposed to trust? More shots for infants? Isn't that wonderful? On Thursday, a newly formed seven member vaccine advisory committee

Starting point is 00:28:44 established by the US Department of Health and Human Services voted 5 to 2 to recommend Merck's antibody treatment. Clezrovimab for use in infants and to include it in the Vaccines for Children's program. That's right, they're not reducing the number of vaccines. They're increasing the number so far. They're raising it. They're giving them yet another RSV shot. Isn't that great? Isn't it wonderful? Your child can be safe if you don't Inject them with this vaccine. You're gonna kill them. They're gonna get RSV and they'll die Because it's incredibly scary. It's so scary and you don't love your child if you don't contribute to big pharma's massive profits.

Starting point is 00:29:26 Little Ford Schoolhouse. I still have the emails from the pediatrician telling us that it's us anti-vaxxers that make kids and others sick because of our hesitancy. The reason why he's so passionate about it is because his dad nearly died from the mumps, and how can we be pro-life but deny our children the life-saving and prolonging vaccines? He has fully bought into the propaganda. It's amazing.

Starting point is 00:29:58 They will not consider anything else but the party line. What they have been sold, they have fully bought in. They go to school for many many years. By the time they come out, they are incapable of forming their own opinions. Nights of the Storm. It's called a freeloader and not a man of duty by my provider for abusing the COVID-19 shot. They will use any tactic. They will use any kind of emotionally manipulative or scare tactic they can. They will bully, cajole, anything. And it is despicable to see them try that. They know that a lot of the people who go into the military do it because they want to serve their country, and that that kind of language and that kind of rhetoric will immediately be very effective on those

Starting point is 00:30:43 type of people. That they will want to do their duty, what they see as protecting the nation. It is truly despicable to see them engage in that kind of rhetoric. It is despicable. Well, that's the news about the CDC and the vaccines. They're still all in on thymirisol, apparently. They're going to look at it. They're going to discuss whether or not that infants and mothers and young children should still be getting these shots. But they're still lying, whether it's the Guardian or their own vaccine companies that provide them lying about thymirisol. Lying about mercury,

Starting point is 00:31:26 making sure that they push it on you and your kids no matter what. Next we're going to look at wearables. RFK wants us all to be in wearables, to monitor us at all times, to make sure that our to monitor us at all times to make sure that our health is tip top. Is that really what this is completely? Is that all it's about? Making sure that we're healthy, making sure that we're all safe and secure. We'll find out, but first we're going to take a quick break. So stay with us. I'll be right back. I'm going to be a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a

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Starting point is 00:35:43 I hope you're doing well. Get your wearable Milgram experiment. They'll be very handy to keep you in your 15 minute city. That's right. I'm sure it won't deliver a electric shock to you if you happen to stray from your prescribed path. Brandon Bennett, TK Project doing a kick tonight? I think so. I'll, I want to. It'll depend on whether or not I have the time,

Starting point is 00:36:09 but I believe so. So hopefully at 5 p.m. Eastern we'll be here. We'll be on the kick channel and we'll just have some fun. KWD 68, I feel safe for every day. I'm so glad the real idea is finally implemented. Thank you conservative Republicans. That's right Our lovely conservative party wants to track and trace everyone all the time For your safety, of course. It's not because they're a bunch of Transhumanist technocrats. No, it's because they want to keep you safe how Caring of them isn't wonderful Denver Attaway. They are pushing those aura rings. They want to keep you safe. How caring of them. Isn't it wonderful?

Starting point is 00:36:45 Denver Attaway, they are pushing those Aura Rings. They want you. They want YouTube, but the device that gathers more data to both enrich them further and enslave you further. But they want you to buy. That's right. You're going to pay for some of these products. You're going to pay a lot of money to make sure that you can be tracked and traced. I continually see youtubers shilling the aura ring. Oh it's so wonderful! It gives me information about my sleep habits. And the final comment, Denver Attaway, the devices cost 500 bucks and they want you to buy it so they can siphon any and all data

Starting point is 00:37:18 relevant for predictive modeling and digital twinning. That's right, they're gonna siphon all your data. They're gonna know everything about you down to your sleep habits and make sure that they can predict everything you do. Handy sent in a really good email last night. Says, Travis is going to visit RFK and his wearable biometric devices. Might I suggest taking another look into the EMS Agenda 2050? Of course, in that, this is their vision of what the emergency services will look like in the year 2050. Wearable biometric devices are one of the central features

Starting point is 00:37:57 of their plan. In the fictional example they give here, it's Carla's earrings that alert EMS to her medical distress. They monitor her vital signs. They can tell that she's having some kind of episode. It gives them her location and then an EpiPen is delivered to Carla via drone when she's referred to a gene editing center to address her allergies to insects. Isn't it wonderful? Isn't it wonderful? Isn't it wonderful? Thank you, Handy. We appreciate you reminding us of this. This is the kind of plan that they're working towards. You have some kind of event. They

Starting point is 00:38:36 are immediately alerted. They dispatch a fun little drone to you. It drops off whatever you need. And then they refer you to the Transhumanist Gene Editing Center where they can fix your faulty DNA. DNA that they've probably damaged through one of their vaccines or toxins in the environment. They're gonna make money. Every way they can. Every American wearing a wearable is not a vision we share. This is also from Children's Health Defense. Wireless technologies including wearables

Starting point is 00:39:09 have clear and well documented harms. These devices continually emit RF radiation in direct contact with the body for long periods of time. They also collect and share biometric data raising privacy concerns. And of course we've seen these places get hacked over and over again. Whether it's a biometric data center or something else, no data is safe. It's amazing that Children's Health Defense was deeply connected to RFKJ. I believe he started it and yet they're pushing back against him on this. It's such a widely unpopular, obviously horrible position. Yes. Children's health defenses sticking to their guns despite that RFK doesn't seem to be. During recent congressional testimony, US Health and Human Services Secretary Robert

Starting point is 00:39:58 F. Kennedy Jr. stated, We're about to launch one of the biggest advertising campaigns in HHS history to encourage Americans to use wearables. My vision is that every American is wearing a wearable within four years. Now even if we assume that RFK has the best intentions with this, let's assume that he truly does simply want the best for Americans and he wants to be able for him wants them to be able to see this data and see their health in real time they will have access to it the government will continually know everything about you it'll be able to monitor your vital signs at any given moment and that data of course

Starting point is 00:40:39 will be sent back and forth and it will be up for interception by who knows who, by anyone with the capabilities to siphon it off. And as I said, all data on the internet, nothing is truly safe. Anything can be hacked given an appropriate amount of time and appropriate amount of initiative. There is no such thing as an un-crackable vault. I'm about to launch one of the biggest advertising campaigns in HHS history. Advertising campaigns. They know the propaganda works. They've seen it for vaccines. They know if they just start pushing it on people in a more concentrated way that it'll eventually take root. They'll give you these fun little spiels.

Starting point is 00:41:26 Oh, it helps you track your sleep. It helps you with this. It helps you with that. In an emergency situation, it'll alert us and we'll send a drone to you. Kennedy was responding to a question about whether consumers should continue to have access to wearables. He explained that wearables allow users to constantly track in real time how food and lifestyle choices affect their health metrics. He also claimed that wearables allow users to constantly track in real time how food and lifestyle choices affect their health metrics. He also claimed that wearables are key to the Make America Healthy Again Maha Agenda. Now of course I'm of the

Starting point is 00:41:54 opinion that if you want one of these wearables, if you do want to continually track your data in real time and aren't upset by sending it off to someone, feel free. I think you should be allowed to do that. That is your data, and you should be free to do with it as you wish. However, they're not going to explain that to people. They're not going to give people the full rundown.

Starting point is 00:42:16 They're going to tell them about the fun little things you can do with it. We agree that people should be able to monitor their health in innovative ways using technology they choose, but we do not think the federal government should try to push wearables on every American. But that's what they're going to do at the HHS. Wearables and electronic devices such as a smartwatch, fitness tracker, or smart ring

Starting point is 00:42:39 worn on the body. It's made up of dozens of sensors and wireless technologies that continuously collect, monitor, and transmit biometric and other sensitive data. We do not share this vision, said Miriam Eckenfels, director of the Children's Health Defense Electromagnetic Radiation, EMR, and Wireless Program. Quite the contrary, we oppose governmental pressure to incentivize the widespread use of wearables. They pose serious health risks, especially to children, and threaten privacy.

Starting point is 00:43:05 Wireless technologies, including wearables, have clear and well-documented harms. These devices continually emit radio frequency, RF radiation, in direct contact with the body for long periods of time. They also have multiple transmitters slash receivers. Bluetooth, Wi-Fi, and cellular operating on several different radio bands.

Starting point is 00:43:20 Cumulative and long-term exposures have known significant risks. RF radiation exposure is associated with a wide range of adverse health effects including increased cancer risk, cellular stress, increase in harmful free radicals, genetic damages, structural and functional changes of the reproductive system. Learning and memory deficits, neurological disorders, negative impacts on general well-being. But it's just a fun little device you can use to track your heart rate and sleep patterns. It's nothing to worry about.

Starting point is 00:43:49 You should get it so that RFK Jr. can make America healthy again. Isn't that right? Now of course, the easiest thing they could do to make America healthy again is just come out and say, vaccines are harmful. They've been damaging people. We're sorry. The people who were in charge lied to you. That would have been the biggest

Starting point is 00:44:11 step RFK Jr. could have taken at the beginning of it. Could have just come out and freely admitted what a lot of us already know. Little Ford Schoolhouse, yesterday I saw a CGM that they inject into you to monitor your blood sugar and an app on your phone gets alerts. It made me wonder what other kinds of information it collects. That's right. And of course eventually it'll reach a point where they'll be monitoring it and if you're getting a little bit too much sugar who knows maybe your social credit score goes down. Maybe the government doesn't like that and they do something about it. It's also, injections and chips and things under the skin is where they want to take

Starting point is 00:44:50 this. Ultimately there's a video in the deck about that. That's right. I'm going to read these comments then you can go ahead and play that video. Dougda007, not knowing what their intentions are with the data collection is enough to convince me to stay away from wearable biometric devices. That's right. They just say they're collecting it, but they don't really tell you what they're doing with

Starting point is 00:45:12 it. It's going to be just to protect your health, but they're probably also going to sell it because the government does sell data. It doesn't just collect it. We've seen that with the DMV. They'll sell your data off to make a profit. Knights of the Storm, werebulls are about knowing your location and activities at all times.

Starting point is 00:45:30 If they cared about your health, then they would stop vaccinating people. That's right. Just what I was talking about. Front porch media, they know people are waking up so more propaganda is the losing solution. That's right. No truth in them. I monitor my sleep with my clock. That's right. You can just look at the clock and say, hmm, I didn't get as much sleep last night.

Starting point is 00:45:53 Night to the Storm. I was pulled into several meetings at the brigade level where all the high up leaders tried to convince me to get it. You can only imagine the pressure that brings. Of course, Night to the Storm is Jason Barker. This is about when he was in the military and they were pressuring him to get the COVID-19 vaccine The chain of command was all in on it they were going to bring you in they were going to sit you down with A bunch of the higher-ups they're gonna make it clear that this would drastically affect your career That at minimum I'm sure they would look at it and say oh well You're probably not going to get advancement. This is probably the highest rank you'll ever attain if you don't follow the chain of command. I imagine that's at minimum an implication they give you.

Starting point is 00:46:33 And I'm sure they'll also try to kick you out. We have that video ready which we're going to play now. Now why is data so important? This is Yuval Harari. It's important because we've reached the point when we can hack not just computers, we can hack human beings and other organisms. Now what do you need in order to hack a human being? Well, you need a lack of ethics.

Starting point is 00:47:02 You need two things. You need a lot of computing power and you need a lot of data, especially biometric data. What we have seen so far, it's corporations and governments collecting data about where we go, who we meet, what movies we watch. The next phase is the surveillance going under our skin. The most important development of the 21st century is this ability to hack human beings, to go under the skin, collect biometric data, analyze it, and understand people better than they understand themselves. This, I believe, is maybe the most important event of the 21st century. By hacking organisms, elites may gain the power to re-engineer the future of life itself. Because once you can hack something, you can usually also engineer it.

Starting point is 00:47:55 So far, we have discovered that the north 0.3% of complex life on the planet, think what will we achieve, what we will achieve when, and it is a matter of when. We understand one or two percent, let alone five or ten percent. Science is replacing evolution by natural selection with evolution by intelligent design. That's right, and they're going to be the intelligent designers. They're going to evolve the human species. They're going to be the ones who are in control.

Starting point is 00:48:29 They will be like God. The IBM cloud, the Microsoft cloud, these are literally the oldest lie of evolution in the book. And at the same time, science may enable life after being confined for four billion years, design and the intelligent design of our clouds, evolution by natural selection with evolution by intelligent design. Not the intelligent design of some God above the clouds,

Starting point is 00:49:03 but our intelligent design and the intelligent design of some god above the clouds. But our intelligent design and the intelligent design of our clouds, the IBM cloud, the Microsoft cloud, these are the new driving forces of evolution. And at the same time, science may enable life after being confined. That's enough Yuval Harari. We've got another clip of RFK Jr. that I want to play before we get to Jack Lawson. I also want to cover this story. So we've got about 10 minutes to play this clip of RFK Jr. and then get to the would-be serial killer before we're joined by Jack Lawson. We're going to discuss the Civil Defense Manual and the insanity of our times. Here's that clip of our face.

Starting point is 00:49:48 I die about physical activity, about the way that they live their lives. We think that wearables are a key to the MAHA agenda of making America healthy again, and we are gonna, my vision is that every American is wearing a wearable within four years. Thank you, Mr. Secretary. Following up.

Starting point is 00:50:10 That's right. RFK Jr. on the same page as Yuval Harari. I wonder how that happened. I wonder why. Of course, RFK Jr. pushing it from the we're gonna make people healthy angle But I think Yuval Harari is a bit more honest with his goals He wants to play God. He wants to sit in his palace and decide on where

Starting point is 00:50:39 Evolution will go next. Of course, I don't believe in evolution, but they do will go next. Of course, I don't believe in evolution, but they do. Not by some god above the clouds, but by us in our ivory towers. We will look down upon the masses and we will decide what is best for them. Not just in what they can eat, but in how they can evolve and what they will change into. We will control all manner of human destiny. Science fiction is becoming science reality. As I said, we're going to move on from that because we've just got a little bit of time before joined with Jack Lawson. The front porch media AI doctors need data. Don't you see that's right. It'll

Starting point is 00:51:22 be continually shipping your data off to some giant AI scanned data bank and they'll send you recommendations constantly little updates on your health and what you can do to improve it I'm sure they won't do anything else with it big daddy Kane hi guys sorry have not been on much due to work can anyone give me an update on how David is doing please yes big daddy. He is doing better And we ask that you continue to pray because the main thing is that his speech is still a little impaired He sounds much better much clearer than he did when he first came home and his physical Ability is much improved, but please keep him in your prayers

Starting point is 00:52:01 We ask that we'd love for him to be back in the seat and giving you this information He was driving yesterday The main thing that is still bothering him is his speech Yes, of course. He wants to get back to doing the show as soon as possible Yes, Knights of the Storm. Remember when the school principal would say this is going on your permanent file now It's true. And of course, that's Jason Barker and he's referencing the fact that the you know Chain of command called him in when he wouldn't take the kovat 19 shot. It's going on your permanent record Well, they want to put everything on your social credit score permanent record. Mm-hmm

Starting point is 00:52:38 Your wearables will have your information on your permanent record. Exactly. As I said, we're gonna jump into this story. We've only got a little bit of time left, but it's truly psychotic. And I mean that in the actual, you know, psycho killer sense. Killer confesses to crucifying pastor in his crusade against Christianity. The depraved depths of an Arizona man whose arrest proves the axiom that the truth is often stranger than fiction. Adam Christopher Schaef confessed to the murder of 76-year-old Pastor William Schaunman in New River, Arizona following his arrest in late April, that unknowingly put an end to a horrific killing spree he planned to commit across the United States.

Starting point is 00:53:24 Fueled by a radical religious vision, Schafe crucified Schoenman inside of his own home on April 27th as the first victim in a crusade against Christian religious leaders across the country. Police found the pastor's body in his bed, lying in a pool of blood, when they conducted a welfare check at his residence the following day. In a terrifying interview with a local media outlet in Arizona covering the murder, Schafe explained that Schoenman was only the first of more than a dozen victims he targeted. The killer planned to travel to ten states spanning from Arizona to New York City

Starting point is 00:53:54 to priest throughout the US as part of a deranged crusade against Christianity. This is... we talk about things being demonic and I do believe that it doesn't have to be something as Obviously evil and wicked and deranged as this to be demonic, but this is so obviously demonic influence It's hard to think that anyone could not believe in demons after seeing something like this Sheaf's imposing presence immediately set the tone for the interview as he was led into the room from his prison cell in Shackles to participate in the first jailhouse interview to ever be held in Coconino County, or as being held awaiting trial for a rash of burglaries

Starting point is 00:54:36 committed across Sedona. As he sat down across from True Crime Arizona correspondent Brianna Whitney, cameras focused on the hardened face and the soulless eyes of a cold blooded killer with irises as black and vacant as an infinite void. Yet what captured the most attention about the demonic aura of the 51 year old was a prominent tattoo of the Tetragrammaton. Hebrew script for Yahweh, the God of Israel spraw sprawled across his neck, as if it were written on a Torah scroll.

Starting point is 00:55:07 That tattoo foreshadowed the revelation of the inspiration behind his murderous mission. Sheaf wasted no time in announcing the motive behind the murder by declaring himself justified for killing the pastor, Shoneman, with the rationalization that it is a commandment to rid Israel of evil. Throughout the course of his interview, Sheafef recounted his plain to Whitney in a cold and calculated manner, absent of even an iota of remorse. He revealed gruesome details about how he placed one of many crowns of thorns that he fashioned to be used in ritualistic executions from branches he scavenged for while wandering the Arizona desert upon the

Starting point is 00:55:40 head of Pastor Schoenen. Schaef admitted that the New River pastor was the first of 14 murders he planned to commit. The killer revealed that the number 13 symbolized each of the tribes of Israel to whom each victim would be made as a sacrifice. Shaffe stated that he marked Shoneman with a leather tag inscribed in Hebrew with the name of the tribe of Benjamin. The 14th victim would be made as a sacrifice to Adam, who defines as God's one and only created Son in a star-cubic to the divinity of Jesus Christ. This man is truly demon-possessed, demon-oppressed. He is doing all of this for the glory of his father, Satan. Details about his plan unfurled further between tangents about what he deemed the fallacy

Starting point is 00:56:22 of Christianity, going so far as to say there should be no church of Christ, but only a church of Jehovah. Shaff confess the belief that his plan to crucify Christian leaders across the U.S. was part of a divine mission to punish them for misleading followers away from the true God of Israel. And of course, we've seen what they mean by the true God of Israel is that you are supposed to worship Israel, that you are supposed to bow down and do whatever Israel wishes. After murdering Shomdon, Shafe immediately traveled from New River to Sedona to complete the next two murders on his killing spree. That stage of his plan was never accomplished, as he was identified as the suspect in a string of burglaries by police officers in the city.

Starting point is 00:57:00 Their initial attempt to apprehend Shafe descended into chaos as it soon turned into a high-speed chase that ended when the killer fled police from his car after crashing it into another vehicle. Subsequent chase ended on foot when Shaffe was incapacitated with a stun gun after running to a nearby residential area from the forest. In custody, at least he was charged with secondary burglary, trespassing, vehicle theft, aggravated assault, and resisting arrest, among other charges. It wasn't until he was finally in custody for weeks following his April 30th arrest that details began to

Starting point is 00:57:34 emerge that could allow authorities to begin to understand the evil incarnate that they apprehended. It wasn't until after being booked into Coconino County Jail that the investigation led by Maricopa County Sheriff's Office led to Shaf being identified as the killer. This development marks a significant step forward, step toward justice for the victim and their family. I want the death penalty because I want to know that you can't kill the chief pleading for the death penalty, the murderer pleaded for it. I want the death penalty because I want to show that you can't kill God's son.

Starting point is 00:58:10 The whole story is BS here marked for explaining how he would be forgiven for his sins. As if he was tasked with the murders by God himself. Public spectacle sheaf has already made for himself looks to serve as the preface to a highly publicized prosecution that will only reveal more details about a story destined to captivate the public in a society transfixed by the evil he embodies. This man is completely and utterly insane. It is incredible the, as they said, evil that he emb embodies the deranged lunacy of it This man is Truly wicked

Starting point is 00:58:56 It is rare that we see such obvious and blatant Demonic influence normally it's more subtle, but sometimes It's like this Assyrian girl This is about the wearables The tech that RFK is pushing our thing is embedded tech can transmit signals can also receive signals think of that That's right Who knows what they'll be able to do when they push a signal to these things?

Starting point is 00:59:23 And it was what it will be capable of altering in your body. As I said, we're going to be joined by Jack Lawson. Jack Lawson, of course, has written the Civil Defense Manual. You can find it at civildefensemanual.com. It's in two volumes. It is a very large set of books that provide a lot of high quality information on how you can prepare for civil unrest. It teaches you many different things, including how to sustain yourself and how to protect your community, how to build a group of like-minded individuals that can defend your community in times of unrest. Information that is going to be more and more necessary as time goes on. As we've just seen with that story,

Starting point is 01:00:15 whether it's the government or these crazies, you need to be able to defend yourself. Well, we're gonna take a quick break, and when we come back, we'll be joined by Jack Lawson. Stay with us, folks. So So So So You're listening to the David Knight Show. Welcome back folks. Joining me now is Jack Lawson.

Starting point is 01:02:12 Jack Lawson, of course, as I said, wrote the Civil Defense Manual's volumes one and two. You can get it at civildefensemanual.com. Jack Lawson always provides a lot of high quality information when it comes to being able to defend yourself and prepare for civil unrest So thank you for joining us Jack That's always good to be on your show. It is a pleasure. You've got You've got the golden voice. It must be in the DNA Family I appreciate it. Well, technically I'm adopted so it must be contagious. It must be something that he emits, you know

Starting point is 01:02:44 Yeah, well all rubs he emits, you know Yeah, well that rubs off on you, you know exactly well as I said You wrote the civil defense manual volumes one and two and these are very large books So we're not going to be able to cover everything that you have in here on this interview But we always enjoy having you on because your perspective on things is very valuable. You've of course been in a lot of dangerous areas and desperate times yourself. So I just want to give that preface to the audience before we get into it, but you've sent us a clip here and before we play it, would you like to preface it for the audience and give them a little bit of a rundown?

Starting point is 01:03:24 Yeah Travis play it, would you like to preface it for the audience and give them a little bit of a rundown? Yeah, Travis, I'm not here to brag, but to give people perspective of what's in this book from my experience and my knowledge, my background was a little diverse, so to speak, as far as the military goes. I was in the United States Air Force. I was an electronics specialist, dealt with ground air missile. And as part of that, I ended up being trained, went to nuclear warfare school and was trained in arming and disarming the W-40 thermonuclear warhead, which was about 10 kiloton yield at that time. One of the old dirty bombs. Then I also ended up in Africa. Don't ask me how, that's too much of a story,

Starting point is 01:04:49 I ended up in Africa. Don't ask me how this too much of a story, but I ended up in Africa and I ended been in a lot of countries over there legally and illegally and the long and short of the thing is I was involved in a very Nasty communist insurgency in Africa it allowed me to see upfront and firsthand what communism is about. So that that and in addition to that after after I came back to the United States I was the member of one of the largest police boards in the United States when officers used deadly force. I was one of the judges that reviewed everything and saw whether they had provocation and

Starting point is 01:05:34 just cause to use their firearm vehicle or whatever they were doing to try to defend themselves or were involved in a shooting. So anyway, that's some of the background. I just have to tell your people in your audience, my experience in Africa led me to call it the continent of the apocalypse now and the land of blood and tears because it's unfortunately, I don't think it's gonna change much. Probably, you know, next five decades, it'll be the same. It's just, it's horrible what the people go through over there.

Starting point is 01:06:17 They talk about white colonizers, well, the blacks are worse to their own people than the whites ever were. So anyway, that's some of my background. Yes, thank you for that, Jack. We appreciate you giving us that rundown. But we've had quite a few different people on from South Africa. We've had two separate pastors on, and they've talked about the ongoing horrors that they're dealing with there and the levels of violence and brutality that they see regularly and

Starting point is 01:06:46 It's it's truly heartbreaking that they're going through that there But as I said, we've got this video clip here, which we're gonna play for the audience now. So here we go Dairy Queen dogs certified Jack Lawson here The world's ready to be turned into a blackened cinder orbiting the sun. Again, people are talking about dropping nuclear bombs here, nuclear bombs there. I just sit on those things on the bomb case arming and disarming and my butt still glows. I want to show the world an alternative to blowing everything to hell and back We're gonna show you how to enjoy life My two dogs Max and Izzy eating an ice cream cone. Those are some good looking dogs. Look at the levity in your life folks

Starting point is 01:07:38 And watch. I can't see the video from this down. Of course I made it They're hog dogs I can't see the video from this. Of course I made it. They're hog dogs. Those are, they're enjoying that cone. Yeah. That's a, our fifth and sixth Steelers, two dogs. Anyway, uh, it's a, my little dairy queen Chuck, is it finished? I can't see it from this. No, not quite. Now, now it's just finished. It says we sell the Civil Defense Manual only through Jack Lawson books.com Alright folks, I've been given the wrong Website it is Jack Lawson books.com. That's right

Starting point is 01:08:14 I forgot that you had had an issue with the previous Producer of it and you had to change the website But Jack Lawson books.com is where you can get the Civil Defense Manual and Jack But Jack loss in books comm is where you can get the civil defense manual and Jack Obviously has a good sense of humor because he's not just about helping you prepare For civil unrest it's about being able to enjoy yourself as well Because if you're prepared you can have some peace of mind and things you're not gonna have to sit there Continually stress and worry about the fact that you have no preparations that you have no skills that can help you in these scenarios.

Starting point is 01:08:46 So Jack... Travis, I just think that I didn't do this thing. I'm 78 years old. I didn't do this for the money. I had a good friend, Robin Moore, who wrote 40-some books and met him in Africa. wrote 40 some books and met him in Africa. And I told him, I said, well, Robin, I want to write a book someday. And he says, oh, you do. He said, have you ever written anything? I said, no. He said, well, write your epitaph. That's the first thing you need to do.

Starting point is 01:09:17 Write your epitaph. But he said, second thing is go out and get a good paying job if you want to be an author. So I don't do this just for the money. I've got children and grandchildren and it virtually horrifies me what's going on in the country. I don't think that this technology has done us much good. But the bottom line is people are totally unaware of what the world is really like Americans here

Starting point is 01:09:48 Have not seen what I've seen and I'm not bragging I'm just telling you a fact that what most of the world 80% of it goes through Day in and day out. It's a struggle a a fight, it's terror-filled, it's hunger-filled, and Americans like Colonel Douglas McGregor, the commentator says, are so unaware of this that it's going to be on top of them before they know what happens. The one thing I push, I've had a lot of combat experience, I've got a lot of information on shooting in there because firearms is the most efficient way of defending yourself.

Starting point is 01:10:36 But the biggest thing, I leave that to other guys, the biggest thing I push is preparation and storing food and water, how to do it, so if something happens, they'll be able to survive. And it's amazing what has happened in the last 15 years. The water system is just as bad and unreliable as the food system. It doesn't take much before it breaks down. Yes, of course we've seen places like Flint, Michigan where the water is completely polluted and undrinkable,

Starting point is 01:11:13 but that's just an extreme symptom of the larger hole. Just because you're not at the Flint, Michigan level doesn't mean that the government's water delivery systems aren't in disrepair in some other ways. Just because they're not actively poisoning you doesn't mean they couldn't collapse very easily. And of course as they as they integrate more of these electronic systems into every aspect of the government and every aspect of the way that they deal with people, it makes it easier and easier for any foreign power, anyone that has nefarious intentions, to simply turn it off with the push of a button.

Starting point is 01:11:49 If they... It's frightening. It's frightening how fragile the system has become. They would open my eyes a number of years ago, I talked to one of the head honchos of a water system, I won't say where it was, but it was a good-sized place, and I said, what will you do? Not only the computerized control of it, what would you do if the municipal water system didn't have

Starting point is 01:12:17 chlorine or didn't have filtering materials? And the guy said, we shut the water off. I said, are you telling me you're going to let a 90 year old lady die of thirst in her house? He said, we are hampered by these things. Federal, state, county, municipal laws. It's against the law to put out contaminated water. Number one. Number two, once you put contaminated water into a water system, it's virtually impossible

Starting point is 01:12:52 to get rid of the contamination in there. There's always a residual. So that means this, if the truck doesn't deliver chlorine in pallets, which this guy said they came in, and they don't have it to put in water, they're going to shut the water system off eventually. When they run out of chlorine, when they run out of water treatment chemicals or filtering materials, they will shut the water off. And people don't realize this.

Starting point is 01:13:21 Sure, you turn your tap on, if the the electricity goes on you may have water for a while But at some point it's gonna stop Yes, and of course that is one thing you can survive without food for quite a long time You'll be hungry and it'll be unpleasant, but the body can you know last for quite a while eating its own resources But without water you die very very rapidly. Thirst is a much quicker killer than hunger is. Now I'm not speaking as someone with experience of course. I've always had more than enough food and more than enough water. But this is something that has been known for a long time. If you read any kinds of

Starting point is 01:13:57 stories or accounts of people that have had to deal without food and water, it's the water that gets them first. It's the thirst where they just can't carry on anymore. And so being able to, and I believe you have a section up on the website for free that details how to get water. Isn't that right, Jack? Yes, I do. I put that out. I have a lot of information under jack Lawson books calm. I also have a sub stack account that has a lot of information on it's called Jack Lawson books dot sub stack dot com Their stories in there entertaining I hope

Starting point is 01:14:41 the long and short of it is I I hope the long and short of it is I Got a maybe dysentery before I went to parachute school of all things. I got it in Mozambique Africa I Drank too. We had no water for a day and The black guys with me drank down to canteens of water. They were used to this. Didn't bother them one bit. I had been over there a year. I put what's called purifying tablets in it

Starting point is 01:15:13 and that didn't do any good because, by, I won't tell you what it was like, by morning in my sleeping bag, but it was horrible. I met my wife during this time and her family by morning in my sleeping bag, but it was horrible. I met my wife during this time and her family, and I was petrified to eat anything around her, because maybe dysentery is virtually similar to cholera. Everything just goes through you. You die of dehydration.

Starting point is 01:15:42 There's all kinds of issues. Anyway, there was a doctor going through parachute school with me and he gave me his unconventional bread plug cure which I'll spare you the gatsley details it was it was horrible but it worked and I finally got rid of it but it water will people will drink anything I've seen some crazy stuff but people will drink things that you can't wrap your head around when they're thirsty and it it does you in it's the quickest in three four days and you're done three four weeks food I'll also have on my website,

Starting point is 01:16:25 overcoming starvation. It's an article written by a doctor. I put a lot of free stuff out there. But obviously getting the book, you get everything. Yes, and as you said, when you're that thirsty, it's not going to be a matter of self-control You are going to drink whatever you have available So if you do not have the ability to provide yourself with clean drinking water It will rapidly lead to what you have said. Maybe not dysentery here in the United States

Starting point is 01:16:59 Maybe the water is a little bit cleaner than that But your stomach and your body, as someone who has, you know, I myself have only ever drank very, very high quality filtered water. And if you are to just put unfiltered regular water into it now with the bacteria that's in it, chances are you will get some kind of something which will be very unpleasant.

Starting point is 01:17:20 So you need these skills. And it's not just a matter of needing it for yourself, but you wanna be able to help others as well You want to be able to provide for yourself to help others or at minimum make sure you're not the type of person That is tempted to go out and take from others You don't want to be the person who in these scenarios is forced to because of your lack of preparation steal and Be put into situations where you may

Starting point is 01:17:46 do terribly unethical, terrible, wicked things to someone else to survive. You want to prepare for these scenarios so you're not tempted in that situation. You're not put in those situations. People would be shocked as to how many supposed prepared people don't have anything other than some real tricked out AK-47, FN, and M4 assault rifles. One of them told me, I said, what kind of food do you keep? And he said, I don't. He said, I'm going to take it from my neighbors. And I told him where we lived, I said,

Starting point is 01:18:28 they're going to hang you from a light pole and leave you there rot there as an example. And I call these people the takers, but there's probably 50% of people in preparedness don't have enough food. Food and water, it's the absolute key to survival a means to defend yourself and uh i've got the a to z of this in my book i have simple military tactics in there that a group of people can defend somebody uh with the these tactics they can defeat an overwhelmingly

Starting point is 01:19:06 superior force as long as it's not a military trained unit and very simple techniques Yes, and your books quite go into a good bit of detail about Connecting with and building a community that you can do this with which is very important because if you're just one Family or just one man There's a limited amount you can do there's only so many hours in the day There's only so much one individual can accomplish on their own All right

Starting point is 01:19:37 but if you're able to interface a network with your neighbors and friends and community who are nearby it Expands exponentially what you are able to accomplish. Well, correct. Travis, the very first story I put in there is by one of the most famous of the survivalists. And I'll say survivalists, there's preparedness people and survivalists. Preparedness people look at a short-term disruption

Starting point is 01:20:04 of things and so they have some food and water survivalists look at a continuation that virtually doesn't end this guy Selco Selco I recommend people look him up on the internet. He went through this Firsthand if you read in there what he went through You will know that you need to get your neighbors to help you. Because the best arm, the best defended fortified houses with the best dogs, they were taken out right away by groups of people. Their

Starting point is 01:20:42 neighborhood got together and that's anybody came down their neighborhood with guns They met a barrage that turned them away and they decided to go some other place Yes, very first degree in there. Yes. You don't want to be on your own in this kind of scenario You don't want to be besieged in your own home You know, it's a it's a it's nice to have a fortified area you can retreat to if necessary, but as a general rule, there's kind of one way that sieges end, you know.

Starting point is 01:21:11 Well, how you gonna, you know what people don't realize? When there is a catastrophic event, and I mean, I divide disasters basically into two categories. The most common one is an area emergency. That's where things are disrupted for a while. But outside help, outside assistance comes to rectify it. The second and the worst one is catastrophic event.

Starting point is 01:21:42 That's something like the electrical grid going down. If it goes down, you got a major problem. People can survive an area emergency and they can survive a catastrophic event, but if you don't have food and water, you don't have anything. Yes, that's a, again, as you said, we see these guys where their entire plan is like, well, I've got a lot of guns and I've got a lot of ammo and you know, once this happens, I'm just going to take whatever I want. And those types of guys, eventually, you know, it doesn't matter how good you are with the gun if you

Starting point is 01:22:25 continually engage in this kind of high risk and of course, evil behavior, you shouldn't do that, but it's incredibly high risk and risk mitigation is incredibly important in general life. But when you're dealing with this kind of scenario, risk mitigation becomes exponentially more important because there's no healthcare, there's no going to the doctor if you receive a minor bullet wound. if you don't have things to prevent infection That's going to take you out very rapidly You don't want to be engaging in these high-risk behaviors in this sort of scenario, especially even just from a pragmatic standpoint, even if you don't care about the morality of stealing from people and

Starting point is 01:23:02 Hurting the community. It's simply a bad idea because it will very rapidly lead to your demise. Morality and ethics and consciousness will go out the window when you gotta feed your family. That's the bottom line. I often tell people, my wife from Zimbabwe, Africa, she's British, comes from a well-to-do family. I have a story in a book called The Girl at the Gate.

Starting point is 01:23:31 There was wholesale starvation in that country. She went back, got her mother out of there, got her down to South Africa, where at least they had food at that time. And they had gate guards and body guards and the gate guard comes to her one day. My mother-in-law was gone. Her mother was gone. Madame, there's a little girl at the gate that wants to talk to you. So my wife goes down to the gate and she opens the gate and the guard standing there ready to protect her.

Starting point is 01:24:07 And there's a little 12, 13 year old girl, totally skin and bones, emaciated, filthy, filthy dress on. And she said, Madam, do you have anything to eat? And my wife, being the compassionate soul she is, broke down crying, went into the house, made her a big sandwich and gave her a bottle of water. Well the next day, there were 200 people there. were almost dead. If those people had the strength, they would have broken a gate down and there would, my wife wouldn't be here. They would have killed for the food. They didn't have enough strength to do it. And the police kept a heavy hand on everything over there then. But these are issues that people have to deal with. I try to, I'm not

Starting point is 01:25:02 trying to be someone's moral compass, but I try to get people to understand what to do in those situations. Yes, it's, it's in the book. I put it in the book. I put everything I can get a grip on that people need to know from my experiences, what I've read and especially being in Africa. I put it in there to try to give people an idea what to do Yes, because again as you said if you don't have any idea it will very rapidly become a Deadly scenario for you if you're not prepared Then there's really nothing you can do. It's too late once the event happens once you're already in it You know, there's no going back. There's not a oh well

Starting point is 01:25:49 I'll just I'll go to YouTube and I'll watch a video on how to prepare myself for this Yeah, see if you get AI to make you a sandwich Exactly. I mean it's so ludicrous. I've I've gotten so disgusted with my fellow Americans and the general illusionary life they live in mostly because of iPhones. I got rid of mine, went back to a flip phone, but we were in a major city. I have to tell you this. This is crazy.

Starting point is 01:26:20 We're in a major city and there was a I hate Travis I hate going shopping with my wife in the mall but she we were down there in business you had to have a another pair of the perfect pair of pants so we went into I think was Dillard's and I told her look I'm gonna sit down a chair and sleep while you go shopping. I mean, I walked 100 miles in the bush and it's not as brutal as walking 800 yards in a mall. So I'm sitting in this fortress designer chair, got my special forces ball cap pulled down over my head. And I hear this blood curdling scream.

Starting point is 01:27:04 I don't know how long it was I'd been snoozing, but I heard this blood curdling scream. And I got up and the guy next to me got up and we went over and we determined it was coming from the top of the escalator. Escalator stopped. For whatever reason, this kid went back sat down. There was a lady up at the top of a relatively obese lady that was screaming and making animal sounding noises.

Starting point is 01:27:34 It was horrible. So me, 76 at the time, I took two steps at a time, got up there, did three things I always do. I looked to see what danger there was to me. I looked at what was going on. I looked what I could help. And this lady had the first sauce handbag and the diamond studded leash and probably a $10,000, $40,000 nose ring. It was huge. I think it was real too. And she was screaming.

Starting point is 01:28:03 And I told her, I said, look, was huge. I think it was real too. And she was screaming and I told her, I said, look, shut up, she had a little dog. And she thought this dog could walk up the escalator. It got his foot caught in the end. Oh, poor thing. I was pissed that she was so stupid that she thinks she could do that. And so I told her, I said, look, hold your dog's mouth, see if I can get his foot out of there. Now there's 35 people standing around there.

Starting point is 01:28:31 Two of them are small security people. Nobody's lifting a finger. Nobody's doing anything, they're making strange noises. This is what you look forward to when there's a catastrophe, is what I'm trying to explain. The longest story is I had my, I always carry a couple knives on me. I ride the escalator far enough apart and I managed to get the dog's foot out of there and I tied one of my handkerchiefs around it and the whole thing was scared to death.

Starting point is 01:29:05 And this lady, this black lady that had to dog was so profusely apologetic and gave me a big hug. And when I bent over to pull my knife out, I had my concealed weapon on me. And of course it was in my belt and my jacket went up over it. And now nobody's doing anything. There's about probably 40, more people coming all the time

Starting point is 01:29:37 because of all the noise that was going on. And a big crowd, so anyway, I take and bend over and my firearm and and my firearm shows and there were well there were two people doing something two more video and all this stuff on their camera and One of them said in this nervous shaky voice. He's got a gun No, and I I was so furious about this, but I was a death-defying green braid, put my hat on. So it kind of got to be a good deed, so it got to be a moot issue. People are unable to respond.

Starting point is 01:30:19 They don't know what the difference between illusion and reality. A lot of the people in these metrallaries, they just don't know. They got their nose in this in their iPhone so much they don't know what's real and they don't know how to handle or react to an emergency situation and that's so unfortunate because if we do have a catastrophe in this country it's exactly what's going to happen. People aren't going to know what to do. Yes. They're well in my neighborhood because we're all organized. We're ready rock and roll. Exactly. You need to have some level of preparation. Us in the West have been very, very fortunate that we have been shielded from the

Starting point is 01:30:58 horrors that go on in the rest of the world. Even in World War II, thanks to our geographical location, our distance from the people who were largely engaged in the conflict whether it was Germany or Japan or Russia or any of the other smaller players we were a bit too far away for them to really reach out and touch us at that time but the technology has increased to the point where if we are to engage in a war on the other side of the planet they can now affect us here. It is not, a distance no longer protects us from the rest of the world.

Starting point is 01:31:30 If we are to engage with Russia or even Iran on this level, there's a very good chance that they can launch a missile. They can impact us directly or they can put sleeper cells in if it's Iran or Russia that can target our grid in very nefarious ways. You know, even if it's something as simple as taking out power line transformers, if they do that enough times in enough sequence, there's only so many people that work on the power line. There's only so many people that can have out repairing these things at a given time. So it becomes a very, very difficult thing to combat this kind of guerrilla tactics when it comes to

Starting point is 01:32:09 protecting our infrastructure. We have been very, very fortunate and very blessed to not have to deal with it, but those days are behind us. We're no longer, you know, safe because of, you know, well travel, it's hard to get here. It's not that difficult anymore. So if someone really... Yes, we are, we were more or less isolationists because of our geographical situation. We've got oceans on both sides. We've got the Canucks up north. They don't really like to fight that much. We've got the Mexicans down side. Good, hard-working people, most of them. The long and shorter thing is now they can read, just like you said, they can reach out and touch us. They can shut our grid down electronically. What was it?

Starting point is 01:32:49 Some scientists recently found a back door in the Chinese solar panel chips that they can electronically from anywhere shut these things down. And that's frightening Michael Yan and Matt Bracken have estimated and I've talked to Matt quite often but they've estimated there are four divisions a division in the number in regards to the number of people as 10,000 people there are four divisions of military age chinese males alone just chinese mail these are all the other countries that hate us

Starting point is 01:33:30 uh... you know we've been slapping goad-hurting countries in banana republics around for so long people don't realize go out in the world like i did send somebody's house on the boondocks and eat there they're very polite but they don't like Americans. So they spend their time putting the best food out and trying to be, you're their only guest and trying to be polite so they can tell you the truth of what you're doing from America. And it's amazing.

Starting point is 01:34:03 I've sat in Muslim homes. It's amazing what these people say. And they, it's not a religious thing so much. They don't like what we're doing. We go in. Hell, my son was in the Marine Corps over in Croatia and called me one day. I was in the gym and I stopped to talk to him and I said, what are you doing, Jason? He says well, I'm painting an orphanage and he said first this is before he went into rock He said first we go in and we bomb him into a parking lot This is the Kosovo area and then we go and paint their orphanages, you know and it was a lot of truth and what he said and

Starting point is 01:34:43 my son saw a lot and did a lot over in Iraq and don't talk to him about how necessary these wars are he's he just saw it first hand yeah there are forever wars people don't like Americans because of this we've engaged in this swaggering bullying foreign policy you know the quality and you just said it. That's the word I used. There's good military people. They've got good hearts.

Starting point is 01:35:11 They're compassionate, but they do what they're told to do. And the guy is dropping a bomb that's killing 50 people, he never sees that. The guy in the ground usually doesn't see it. But when you do see it, McLeon's got a picture of dying Farah. And I look at that picture and it breaks my heart. It's an American soldier killing a girl, probably four years old, five years old, and she bled to death.

Starting point is 01:35:39 But he's trying to get her to safety. And it's just heartbreaking. I've seen this in africa it's just horrible it doesn't leave you americans don't know this because they haven't a lot of them that are making these liberal statements and whatnot haven't been more than five hundred

Starting point is 01:36:00 miles from home and they can't tie their shoes either. They have no real world skills. There's a lot of good Americans, but we think that we're the savior of the world. Read Confessions of an Economic Hitman and you'll see what it did. I could not believe that book because pieces fit together for me from that book. Things that I've seen and been involved with. Interesting. Yes.

Starting point is 01:36:30 The American people have largely not seen the result of the American foreign policy. They see the highlight reels on CNN or Fox News, and they see the good stuff that the American military does, like your son painting an orphanage in Kosovo. That is a nice thing to do. That's wonderful that they engage in that. But they don't point out the fact that the reason it's being painted is because it's new, because the other one got blown up

Starting point is 01:36:52 when they dropped a bomb in the wrong area. They don't see that kind of headline. They don't figure that out and they don't realize that this is leading to a lot of resentment around the world They'll freely point out the fact that oh our you know, our leaders are clowns. You know, Donald Trump no one respects him, which is true But it's not simply a dislike of Donald Trump because he's a clown of a human being It's because we've engaged in as I said this swaggering bullying foreign policy Which has real-world consequences for the people on the ground whether we're imposing sanctions on countries and causing their children to starve to death or actually going in with active military and

Starting point is 01:37:33 destroying their infrastructure it has been a Long-term policy of the United States. We've got some really good comments here from Lance and from the listeners as well Lance of course being my brother who runs the board Let me just say one thing. I disagree with you that Trump, the term clown, whatever you want to think of the man, he's eccentric, he's erratic, and he doesn't play by the rules the rest of these jokers play by. So he does disrupt things. But as far as I'm concerned, I don't idolize anybody. As far as I'm concerned, he's the last hope

Starting point is 01:38:15 that we have to get something done and reverse what's going on in the country. I think he's trying to do it. Obviously he's getting pushed back from every direction. I definitely agree with you, they are pushing back on. Well, I hope you're right. Obviously, he's getting pushed back from every direction. I definitely agree with you. They are pushing back on him. And I hope you're right. And that's one of the things that I appreciate.

Starting point is 01:38:31 You're willing to come on the show. We don't agree on everything, but we're still willing and able to have this conversation about things that are truly important. It's not about whether I support Trump fully or you support Trump on this or that. It's about these books that you have written support Trump fully or you support Trump on this or that it's about these Books that you have written that are very important about these scenarios that can come to pass which I do appreciate and

Starting point is 01:38:54 As I said, we've got some great comments here You know if you're a survivalist you're prepared prepared for anything including a long-term grid down situation and you'll be okay in a total disaster You know whether it's you know, Palestine, Ohio or Flint, Michigan, if you've prepared, you're prepared for the government just not repairing the systems or if something actually happens to take it down further. So there's always a good reason to prepare because even if an attack doesn't happen, even if someone doesn't come in and blow up the system, there's always the chance that the government isn't capable of fixing it They lose the ability to maintain these systems sometimes or they lose the will and so if you're prepared for a grid down scenario You're prepared for the government to just be ineffective as well, which is an important point to make

Starting point is 01:39:42 You're still there Jack, ah, there many aspects, so many facets to this. Much of what anybody will tell you to do in any situation is what I call from a perfect world. I mean I've learned a lot in a lot of different places. The only thing I can tell people is this. If you're in a place like Palestine, the Palestine, Ohio thing, I feel for you. And that's the one situation. In my book that I recommend people.

Starting point is 01:40:24 in my book that I recommend people Do what's called bugging out we're getting out a dodge Otherwise, I believe you have far more resources in your neighborhood if you've stored food water medicine and at least talk to your neighbors and Have found out was they're willing to use force of arms to defend the neighborhood. It goes further than that. It gets into tactics. I'm not advocating people arm themselves to the teeth, have food and water, and hold commando training drills in their neighborhood. Getting to know your people in the neighborhood is a big thing. Salco in the first story in that book, which is

Starting point is 01:41:19 a real eye-opener, found that they had to get to know their neighbors very quickly. They have I think 11 houses on their street and they never really mangled. Americans don't either. We live in a garage door community. We come home, raise the garage door, drive the car in, lower the garage door, go in watch TV. Some people don't even know their neighbors names. You know, I've I'm a farm kid from Minnesota. So I do what we used to do back there. I got to know our neighbors. I know our neighbors. Every place I've lived, I've known all of our neighbors. I've gotten along with every one of them except one guy from California. But the body he was very. I'm look I I I know being an American in Africa

Starting point is 01:42:09 it sounds like are the guy must be a white supremacist I come from a multi-racial family I've got blacks and orientals and Caucasians in my family are we woke not really I mean if you're a dumbass, excuse my French, that's what you are. If you know how to do something good, we will commend you on that. We sat down, there's 55 in my family. I got a big, my own family, blood is eleven people and when we have a get together it's crazy we have a lot of fun they're good people but unfortunately I think about three of them have gotten so highly educated they've turned into communists you know

Starting point is 01:42:59 they got PhDs and all this but they've never been any place I remember I came back from Africa, I got in an argument with one of my sisters. I said, where did you hear that? I read it in those books she pointed over to her bookcase. It was about Africa. I said, oh, that's interesting. Well, I lived there. And she still was adamant that what was what in that book in American history American version of history in Africa is largely fabricated. It's it's BS. You've got to get into the

Starting point is 01:43:35 archives of the Spanish to British to Portuguese, Italians, the germans they ran africa and he was know what really happened there you have to read those and i haven't read them but my dear late friend colonel is a green beret pot at conventional warfare school sully d fontaine who are special forces chapter is named after

Starting point is 01:44:03 he read all these you read you'd hate knows every language in in europe and i read these and he was telling me when i wrote his book he said this is this is fabrication it's it's unfortunate but uh... i i don't like the overt racism you, it's tough getting along with my family. It's bad enough, you know.

Starting point is 01:44:27 The world goes through the same thing. Yeah. As you point out, a lot of these histories are just fabrications. And it's easy. When you think about the fact that what we see today on the news, how readily they fabricate things, there's no reason to assume that they haven't been doing that for years upon years, decades, hundreds of years. So

Starting point is 01:44:49 anytime you read something and it's this idealized perfect utopia until someone showed up and ruined it, take that with a grain of salt. It's just they lie about everything and they've been doing it for a very long time. We've got a comment here from Will Tabaks. He says, buy rat traps, easy eating. Well, if you're, Will, more power to you. All, more rats for you. I won't take any of your rats. You can have all the rats. That's funny. I like that. That's good. People have subsisted on those. We've got another comment here from Knights of the Storm. The good thing about a black powder rifle

Starting point is 01:45:28 is that you can produce your own ammo if you know how. I should get at least one for my collection. That's right, black powder is a lot more easy to produce than gunpowder. I don't know the steps myself, but I do know that gunpowder requires a lot more refinement than black powder does. So that's a good point to make,

Starting point is 01:45:43 that if you have the skills and the setup, you could refine your than black powder does. So that's a good point to make that if you have the skills and the setup you could refine your own black powder and continue to have resources. Yeah that's a good point this guy makes. Also a guy told me, I said, well what do you have firearms? He said I have crossbows. He said I can have a truckload of arrows and a year later I'll have a pickup truckload of arrows. Unless I'm crazy with them. I think that getting into what you just said, I think a very intelligent guy told me a couple months ago, he said, you know the most difficult thing in the world now is for what, is to discern, to determine what is honest information,

Starting point is 01:46:33 what's truthful. Everything from videos to recordings, I mean they could take a picture of you and animate the thing and make a video that people would believe you could be stabbing the pope through the heart. And they would think, you know, it's real. It's unfortunate, but this whole technological thing has gotten so whacked out crazy. I don't think people even see the force for the trees anymore.

Starting point is 01:47:06 I've tried to back off of some of it just to keep my sanity. I have 55 kids and I think Uncle Jack's the cat's meow. They want to tell me they're going to lunch. Well, they're in Minneapolis. I don't really care if they're going to lunch. Hope to have a nice one, but I don't want nobody. I have my phone chiming every two seconds. That's right. I don't really care if they're going to lunch. Hope to have a nice one, but I don't want nobody My phone chime in every two seconds. That's right. So many people are just

Starting point is 01:47:33 overloaded with information and You know you have access that Travis that's so true what you just said. I think all the senses are so Bombarded just like you said they're overloaded.. It's, I think it's driving people crazy. I've often wondered, I'm not a hunter myself. I would wish I was, I wish I had that skill set, but so many people are so dependent on their phones and having this continual drip feed of dopamine and being just tapped in at all times. I often wonder if they'd even have the necessary ability

Starting point is 01:48:05 to just sit there and wait, if they would be able to sit there and wait for a deer or whatever it is they're hunting to come to the spot they've set up. That's a very good point because I'm not a hunter either. I've done hunting, I've shot just about everything in Africa, including unfortunately an elephant. It fed three villages but it was rampaging. It was what's called a

Starting point is 01:48:30 rogue, a rogue elephant, a bull that got chased off by another bull from the herd and it was tearing down a village and the Africans came over run into our base as an elephant. So we went over with a truck and me and another guy shot it with mounted machine guns from the back and but it was getting ready to attack our Unimog truck that was a little truck we're in and we shot it and the villagers they had it stripped and ate it, you know, but you know, of all the regrets I have, I have a regret. I don't have much regret for communists, but I have regret for that elephant, you know, the elephant. I don't mean to be facetious about that, but if you see what they

Starting point is 01:49:21 did to their own people, you know, the anyway I think what's very difficult is what to believe. You hear one thing one way, I see the news, it's unbelievable. Some of the twisted up quadruple negative headlines they have, you're trying to, what are they saying? You know, it's amazing. That's right there there's always a spin coming from anyone no matter where you get it no matter how objective they claim to be they have an agenda they have their own viewpoint which they're going to inject into it somehow and of course anyone that claims to be objective is simply lying they're trying to make it easier

Starting point is 01:50:03 for them to lie to you no one is truly objective and it's important to remember that no matter who it is. I'm not objective by any sense of the word. I have my own viewpoints and that comes across and how I talk about things or what I choose to talk about and you've got to remember that at all times when you're dealing with information wherever you're getting it from. Yeah, no, that that is very important. And and I think people have polarized so much that they've taken sides. You know, going going real quick over a couple of things.

Starting point is 01:50:37 The troubles everybody thinks since number 47 is in there and Dodge has been Dozier, whatever they called it has been in there And they're reversing some of this stuff that the troubles are over the troubles in the US are far from over Financial issues are Frightening they can probably keep them going for a while They can probably keep them going for a while. Communists and leftists, I told your dad, dug in like a North Carolina tick. And the worst part is the news media, which supports this woke leftist stuff, got everybody convinced it's 50% of the people in this country.

Starting point is 01:51:21 That's not true. Yes. It's probably 15%, one in five. You know, and they seem nice, you know, they're having a protest and Socialist of America, whatever they call themselves. My neighbor, a former communications director of a large county in California, one of the largest,

Starting point is 01:51:41 just moved in. And he was born in Cuba. He went through the revolution down there. His father was a university professor, wouldn't teach communism. He also owned a general store, and he got involved with a resistance that was organizing to fight Castro

Starting point is 01:51:59 after they found out Castro was gonna go communist. And he got thrown in jail, got tortured for a month, beat the holy hell out of them, and you can't believe the stuff they did. Then he got hard labor in the sugar cane fields for a year. Now back at the early stages, you could still bribe people over there because that's all people did in the Batista ran place.

Starting point is 01:52:22 So they bribed somebody, got his father out of there you couldn't do it now but he loathes communists he says they seem nice in all of their you know black attire and everything until they are without conscience torturing to death a 90 year old lady then they aren't quite so nice yeah he said because that's what I saw. They were killing people that were innocent people and it simply made something out of themselves. They didn't want to teach the curriculum the communists had.

Starting point is 01:52:54 And he said all of a sudden they aren't so nice. So, you know, that's a point people have to realize. It is a... I think, I mean, I know, I've got a friend an African-American African-American lady Beautiful woman got fired from her company for posting a comment And I was talking to Matt Bracken and Matt starts telling me it's a bot. It isn't even a human That found this information looked into her reported her company company fired her, you know Information looked into her reporter during company company fired her, you know, there's all kinds of crazy stuff going on But I don't know. I try to stay abreast of it. I actually go to two Bible study groups

Starting point is 01:53:34 And I had a friend of mine looked at my car window Bible you Lawson I said well I go to two Bibles to Bible study. What's going on? you know and I have to laugh because He's a good guy, but I told I said it's a fascinating story. I'm not scared Everybody's tried to kill me. I think it's probably not a threat anymore, but People must store food and water. That's the end of what I gotta say. That's a it's true doesn't matter Of course, we like gold and silver here

Starting point is 01:54:08 But gold and silver is what you will use to trade once you get past that first initial hurdle if you do not have Food and water nothing else really matters You need to be able to sustain your family and hopefully help others sustain theirs build community With those around you. Get to know them and get to a point where you can trust each other. That's what you want to do. 100% right. You just said it. You just encapsulated it. And if they read the first story in this book by Selco, the gold and silver became virtually worthless. The food, the water, firearms, yeah that that made a big difference. Yes

Starting point is 01:54:49 we as we said we like gold and silver here on the show but it is for a scenario where you are still able to trade with people where it holds value. I've got articles in my website. I'm 100% believer in it because our currency is paper. My wife, I keep in my office here, I've got a $100 trillion note. It's from Zimbabwe, Africa. My wife bought it.

Starting point is 01:55:18 Oh, well you're a rich man. You're a rich, rich man. Oh, I am a rich man, yeah. Only it's only good for wallpaper. Well, Jack, I wanna thank you for coming on. We've got just a few minutes left and I've got Some other quick things I want to cover but I do again I appreciate you coming on the website is Jack loss and books comm the civil defense manuals volume 1 & 2 Tell people to go to Jack Lawson books plural books dot subst stack and I'll get a lot of information

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Starting point is 01:57:09 lot of comments here. Ron Helton won every time I tried to know my neighbors they tried to take advantage of me. Crazy world. Depending on where you live, depending on who's around you, that can happen. There's no guarantee that your neighbors are the type of people you can build community with. Hopefully there is a large enough group of good people that you can kind of isolate the bad ones and you won't have to deal with them. Angry Tigers den, there's not enough wild game to feed our population.

Starting point is 01:57:34 It will all be wiped out in a month. Five tigers this spawns, exactly. Fishing will last a little longer, but probably not much. Well, I trust you on that, but also I think to some extent most people don't have their requisite skills to hunt, and so you won't be competing with much of the population. Still probably enough that it will reduce the amount of game, but I don't think most people will actually be able to hunt anything before it becomes dire for them. I don't think they would have

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Starting point is 02:05:14 Alright, joining us now, our guest has written a book, Mao's America, a survivor's warning. And I'm really anxious to talk to her because she grew up in China. She was there during Mao's Cultural Revolution. She eventually came to America. And I have seen this over and over again. You had Rod Dreher, said he had his friends' parents who had

Starting point is 02:05:44 been in Stalinist Russia, were getting very upset. They said, this is exactly the same stuff we saw in Russia. This is exactly the same stuff she saw in China. And we need to understand where these people are taking us, and we need to understand what their tactics are. So joining us now is Shi Van Fleet. Her book is Mao's America, A Survivor's Warning. Thank you so much for joining us.

Starting point is 02:06:08 Xi Van Fleet Thank you for inviting me. John Ankerberg And you came to prominence, I mean, you were just kind of living a quiet life here in America, and you came to prominence in Loudon, Virginia, because you were speaking out against some of the things that you saw in school. You said, this is exactly what I saw as a child growing up in China. This is the communist tactic. Tell us a little bit about that. Yes, yeah.

Starting point is 02:06:30 Of course, that was something that I was not prepared for. So I went to school board and thinking I'm just doing my duty and have no idea that my video went viral. And at the same time time I was shocked to find how few people know anything about communism and fewer people know about the Cultural Revolution and say that's why I say that people have no idea what woke is they thought is something new they thought it's just oh the left the wind crazy but for

Starting point is 02:07:03 people who experienced cultural revolution and who lived under communism, you don't have to experience the exact, what I experienced, the Chinese cultural revolution. If you live under communism, we recognize it instantly. This is communism, Marxism. That's what Rod Dreher was saying. He said the people who have lived under it, whether it was Russia or China, they can smell it a mile away because you can't not look the other direction. I was surprised because we adopted our daughter from China. I was surprised when we went there about 15 years ago to see all these pictures of Mao

Starting point is 02:07:41 everywhere because I knew the hardships that people had gone through and how many people had died, the Cultural Revolution, all these pictures of Mao everywhere, because I knew the hardship that people gone through, and how many people had died, the Cultural Revolution, all these other things. I was surprised to see him still essentially revered. But we do that, don't we, in various countries? Yeah, and Marx, you know, the evil genius that his idea, a toxic ideology, led to the deaths of more than a hundred million people. He was still has been revered by this left and by the professors and the university and the students there as well. So yeah, because this ideology has never been public trialed and denounced and that is the problem. And that's why your book is very important. Tell us a little bit about what it was like growing up as a child in the cultural revolution.

Starting point is 02:08:36 Did you get sent out into the rural areas and everything as they were doing it? Yes, yes. Yeah, it's a long history and it's complicated and I do my best to just make it short and still make sense. Okay, so I was in my second semester of the first grade when cultural revolution started in 1966. So I had one semester of more or less normal education and then the and I remember very little but I do remember you know in the reading class we were learning sentences that just describing nature kind of peaceful kind

Starting point is 02:09:21 of a memorable and a normal kind of thing. And then that was it. That's the only thing I remember. And then heading on to the second semester, that's when the Cultural Revolution started, and pretty much immediately the school was closed because all the principals and teachers were ousted by the students because they were, they become the target of the Cultural Revolution because Mao condemned all of them as counter revolutionary intellectual authority, meaning they were the enemy of the state, should be ousted. So the students turned against the enemy of the state should be all stirred so the students turned

Starting point is 02:10:05 against the teachers and and a school were closed closed for me two years and for others other places as far as long as four years no school total chaos and so we as new kids and nothing to do so we went to the streets every day and then what we witnessed is the unfolding of the Cultural Revolution of the struggle sessions parade of those people being denounced and the Red Guards debate each other and pretty soon and cancel culture definitely, smashing of statues and taking down any sign boards of stores that were traditional. Anything that is not communist or revolutionary were all smashed and destroyed and

Starting point is 02:11:02 pretty soon turned into violence. You know, I did an interview not too long ago with an individual who wrote a book about a Project Veritas whistleblowers experience in a corporation and how they were pushing, you know, this critical race theory and things like that. And he was very upset about it. He was black and he was still upset about it. He didn't like it. And so he started taking notes and he became a whistlebl for project Veritas then he wrote the book and when I talked to the guy who wrote the book

Starting point is 02:11:29 With him and really for him He was saying yeah, you know all this stuff that's happening critical race theory and all the rest of stuff People want to call it Marxism. It's not Marxism. It's like well, it is Marxism It absolutely is and in so many different ways. I couldn't believe it We said that I didn't really you know get into it with him because I really wanted to find out this guy's experiences. But it really is purely Marxism. Talk about the struggle sessions, and people can understand. If they understand some of the specifics of these things, what does struggle session look like? They'll start to see how it aligns with what we're seeing here in the United States.

Starting point is 02:12:02 Yes, yes. But I want to add to what you just said. Too many people. I'm not talking about people on the left. I'm talking about conservatives. Still, we don't have enough people understand the nature of folkism. It is a pure cultural Marxist, Marxism, and it's pure Maoism. And that's why I call my book, Mao's America. It is Maoism with American characteristics. And that's why I don't like to use the term woke. I mean, first of all, these people are not awake. They're not conscious of what's going on.

Starting point is 02:12:34 And the people who use that term, that's another trick that they do. They come up with their own labels for themselves and their labels for you. And we must not use those labels because that's propaganda too. The CCP use the same word, work. Did they really? Yeah, they did. They did. And in Chinese it's called the 觉悟, meaning awakening inside you, a consciousness and we have to raise our class consciousness and see everything in terms of class and so anyway, anyone that somehow run against the party narrative is casted as the enemy of the state or the black class. And you always want to do anything to remain in the red class which is the

Starting point is 02:13:19 allies of revolution. And constantly everyone has to raise their class wokeness or consciousness. Now same terminology, people of course they don't know because they never learned the history. Yeah I think it's interesting in this country too that they they got everybody to agree with okay we got the red states and the blue states and it's like no the blue states are pushing Marxism, socialism, the red states, you know red has always been the color of the communists as you just pointed out Yeah, exactly. And so you know they do that to muddy the water to confuse people and you got people out there saying yes We're the red state where?

Starting point is 02:13:56 I am so disgusted with communism For the longest time I don't want to wear anything red because that just remind me of communism, of revolution, of blood, of violence. And then come here, okay, you know, we are, you know, the Republic is red. But then I found out the Democrats did the switch because they don't want to associate with communism which is exactly what they are. Anyway, so now I embrace red because now I'm conservative because stock with state color red. We just have to make the best of it. I just try to avoid that term and that term red and woke as much as I can because I and you know if you go back and look at Antifa, I got a friend who was in Germany, and he says, you go back to the 1930s,

Starting point is 02:14:48 they haven't even changed their flag. They had the same flag in Germany in the 1930s that they've got now. And so, yeah, it is amazing how they just import this stuff over them, because Americans don't know their history, and they don't know what has happened in other countries. They just swallow it hook, line, and sinker. So tell us about the struggle sessions. Yes, struggle session. What is struggle session? And actually I'm going a little deeper what that really means. Struggle session is a term and the use not just during the Cultural Revolution.

Starting point is 02:15:18 It started as soon as the Communists took over China in 1949. And then one of the major campaign they launched is called land reform. Land reform is what communists did to fulfill their promise to the peasants who support their revolution and they're going to give the free land to them. Go ahead, that's okay. Yeah, I got some free gift for you here. Okay, good. Yeah, okay. So, here, listen to it. How do you get all the peasants together and fight the landlord in order to get their land to raise the class consciousness? Because the peasants did not know such a thing as a class, that was an alien to them.

Starting point is 02:16:20 So they have to be taught and just like a DEI training. So the communists trained the peasants and told them you are poor, not because you did not work hard, not because you are not smart. Mm-hmm. And we're seeing that now in terms of reparations. Because I don't degrade that, you know, there they used and in Europe they used class. And that doesn't work here in America because, you know, nobody really saw themselves as being a different class. But they did see themselves as being a different race, a different skin color.

Starting point is 02:16:56 So that's what they focused on. And that's why there's been so much focus on white privilege and all the rest of stuff. And why the reparations is really very much like the promises of land reform they even go back and say well you know after slavery you're supposed to get you know an acre and 40 mules or something like that or you know that they actually make these kinds of analogies yeah yeah same idea but anyway to raise your class to be woke is the condition to have a revolution and then the peasants finally said, okay, we are poor, they were taught, they are poor because the rich

Starting point is 02:17:31 exploited and oppressed them. So now everyone know there are two classes. There's a black class, there's a red class, and they are enemies. And then the goal of the red class is to eradicate the black class, there's a red class, and they are enemies. And then the goal of the red class to is to eradicate the black class. So that is the beginning of the political identity. And that was the same that the CCP used to permanently divide American, other Chinese people. Okay, going back to the, so the struggle session started in the land reforming

Starting point is 02:18:08 in 1949 to 1951. The same formula, the absolute, the same tactic is the landlord or the rich peasants will be struggled against like a public trial and the peasants would condemn them and the peasants were coached to retell their suffering and then blame all their suffering, all their problem to the landlord and then in the end and then they will say, what do we do with the landlord? And I will desk to the landlord and then dragged out and executed.

Starting point is 02:18:49 And that's how it started. And during the Cultural Revolution, the enemy has shifted. It's no longer the landlord and the rich peasants. They become those in power, meaning those were the CCP bureaucrats or the CCP leadership. Why? Because Mao felt like he was no longer in control of his party. He wanted to purge everyone. He can't purge everyone because that would look like he was after his own party. He had a better idea.

Starting point is 02:19:20 He mobilized all the young people from his government schools and his universities. Those were called the Red Guards. So they took the, mobilized the Red Guards, gave them power, pure power, and dismantled the police and the law enforcement. And no one can stop them. Anything they do was justified. Anything they do has no consequences. So they went after those in power, all levels of the government, from the village to the central government.

Starting point is 02:19:52 So that is what the Red Guards did, struggle session is I witnessed the struggle session for the governor of my province. So because the governor was pretty tall, so they got two basketball player to hold him on the stage. And so to make the governor look small. And then the red guards have a loud speaker and denounce him. And so then people shout slogans.

Starting point is 02:20:24 And during that particular struggle session I did not see violence but he was beaten, he was struggled against, he probably went to like a hundred of this kind of a struggle session and his wife was also part of that struggle sessions and during one struggle session they pulled the red guards pulled all her hair off and eventually she committed suicide. So that is a there is violent struggle session that people were beaten to death right on the spot and they were milder which is just verbal abuse. That's what I looked at.

Starting point is 02:21:06 But that's not it. It's not just, struggle situation is not something against enounced enemy. Struggle situation really, really means struggle against yourself. And in CCP's word is criticism and self-criticism. As a young kid, I went through, it's a routine, it's every week there is a political study and then we have to read

Starting point is 02:21:33 some of the Mao's quotation and then we carry out this self criticism and self criticism. So each kid will say whatever the person, you know, the kid did not do well enough according to most instruction. So you denounce yourself. Wow. And we see that today. We see that today. Kids have to denounce themselves because of their, you know, their gender, you know, and their normalcy or whatever that we would say, or their skin color, it's exactly the same thing that they did. See? See? Amazing. You see that, yeah, so you denounce yourself, and then you denounce your classmates. So we go around and round around, and you say, okay, I did not do this right, you know, of course we did not say we have

Starting point is 02:22:22 okay, I did not do this right, you know, of course we did not say we have privilege, we, you know, just say we were not up to Mao's instruction that we should do better. And then say so and so that day I saw you say this and I saw you act like that and that's not right. So it's, that is really the core. It's not those kind of a public trial. It is at every level. Every person is involved in

Starting point is 02:22:48 struggle session. So that's exactly what we're seeing now. DEI. You denounce your privilege if you're white, okay, and then you swear that you'll do better, right? And then you denounce your coworker who you hurt, saying this and that. And that's absolutely the same thing. Oh, yes. I remember the testimony of a young girl who was pressured into gender mutilation and surgery and things like that. And she said, you know, I got into this group because—and I forget what it was—it was some pop group that she liked, or some game that she liked, or something like that. It was just a special interest group. But everybody that was in it was into this type of struggle session thing.

Starting point is 02:23:33 She didn't call it that. But she said they were all leftist. I was just heterosexual, and I was white. I had to denounce myself to be a part of this group. So I started denouncing all that. It wasn't enough to just say, okay, you can do whatever you want. I had to hate myself for that, and I had to make these confessions to them. That is what they're doing to all the kids.

Starting point is 02:23:54 It's amazing how they have very insidiously and subtly and undercover inserted all of these psychological tactics that were used by Mao in America. Of course, because people have no idea because they don't know history. And people like me see through right away because it's the same, absolutely the same thing. So you can't be just not a racist, right? You have to be anti-racist. Yes. Yes. Yeah, so exactly the same idea. Yes. Tell us a little bit about the cancel culture, of course, which is tied with that as well, and the need for them to destroy statues. We just saw this fetishized destruction of a Robert E. Lee statue, and you know, they took up, you know,

Starting point is 02:24:38 a very high quality video of them melting it down, all the rest of stuff. Yeah. This is a very important thing for the communists to take down statues and to erase the culture that's existing there. Yeah the goal is to erase past period. Pencil culture is really to in China is called a destruction of the four old. Old idea, old culture, old habit, old custom. Anything that is traditional, anything that is a pre-communist, communist regime has to be erased, has to be destroyed. And then you start with something very symbolic, right? Anything that is everyone can see and then what you do you go destroy the

Starting point is 02:25:25 statues and so in China we did not have many public statues as in the West most of them were religious statues such as in the in the Buddhist temple or in church and that's what they went after. They destroyed all the statues and that's not it. They changed the names of everything that is not traditional, that is traditional, such as institution names, store names, food brand, sounds familiar? Yeah, oh yeah, exactly. Great names. Sounds familiar. Yeah, oh yeah, exactly. Great names. Oh man, we're deep into this. We're deep into this, aren't we? So the four olds, old ideas, old culture, old habit. What was the fourth one? And old customs. Old customs, interesting. It's just the civilization of China. Yeah. It all has to go.

Starting point is 02:26:25 Why? Because if you want to install Maoism as the supreme ideology or the religion of the land, you have to remove everything before it. Yes. And the cancel culture went to the next stage. OK, they destroy everything in the public, okay, and they say there are more, they were hidden in people's homes, and we have to go after that. That's what they did. They raided people's homes and took whatever

Starting point is 02:26:58 they think is old, destroyed them or confiscated them. This is the largest looting operation in the history of mankind. Wow. Wow. Of course, you know, we have the IRS is going to be made five to seven times bigger depending on which budget they go through. And that's what I'm concerned about is that they're going to go around confiscating not necessarily statues, because people don't have that many statues or things like that in their home, but go around confiscating any physical property. Tell us a little bit about what they did to the family, because that is a key part of this in America. Was there, as part of the Four Olds, would the family fall into one of these in terms of culture or custom or something like that?

Starting point is 02:27:46 Yes Okay, I'm sorry. Oh, that's okay. Take your time drink something if you'd like to go ahead go ahead I'll cover here for you You you said that again, you know, we look at things like critical race theory and stuff like that again We're talking about race rather than class. That's the difference in communism in America versus China or Europe. But again, old ideas, old cultures, old habits, and old customs. And I imagine family fits in there somewhere. Absolutely. So for family, you don't have to guess.

Starting point is 02:28:28 You just read communist manifesto. Lay it out there clearly. There's three things they want to abolish. One is private property. Another is religion. Another is family. So that is laid out there, you know, clear for everyone to see. They have to destroy religion because in order to implement communism as the religion and be, this is very very important. Communism is not,

Starting point is 02:29:07 and, how come it is a religion? It is, and even though they say they're against religion, but it is a religion, it replace religion. So they have to destroy religion, and they have to destroy family because those are the foundations of any society. So that started very early on especially in schools and so it was very very clear to everyone not just to kids, but to parents as well. The kids belong to the state. Yes.

Starting point is 02:29:49 And parents understand that. And so if you have to choose between your parents and the state, you choose the state. And there's no question about it. Many kids reported their parents during the Cultural Revolution to the authority and some of the parents were arrested and some were executed. It was so clear in my mind, in every kid's mind, the party was our parents and the Chairman Mao was our parent and That is if you talk to any any people live down the communism. It is a common thread

Starting point is 02:30:35 They destroy religion they destroy family Yeah, and of course, you know those of us who knew about that Yeah, and of course, those of us who knew about that understood and saw that when Hillary Clinton said it takes a village to raise a child. You destroy the family, you put the children under the care of the government. We had MSNBC running public service announcements a few years ago. Melissa Harris Perry, I think, was her name. She said, we've got to get over this idea that children belong to the parents. And at that point in time, they hadn't really found something that they could use as a wedge.

Starting point is 02:31:10 Now what they're doing is they're using this transgender thing as a wedge. And that's where it's coming in. But it'll be other things. You'll be denounced because of... It'll be other things. Yeah, it'll be other things. That's just the first thing they're doing right now. That was not on the rise.

Starting point is 02:31:23 And people are looking at this, oh, okay, fine. You know, the villages is there. They're going to help to do it. And, but you know, what, where's the conflict here? And they, and so they came up with a conflict. First, they sell you the idea that kids belong to the state and to the society and to the village. And then they find the issues of conflict

Starting point is 02:31:40 to punish the parents with. But actually they have been doing that before transgender. Transgender really just showcase that how they are trying to cut the ties between parents and children and actively set children up against the parents. But for decades they have been teaching the values of communism and Marxism and even though that's not what Americans know about but they have been developing the children with a new set of ideologies and created this conflict between generations. And as a lot of families, especially in recent years, a lot of families just broken up, just like the Cultural Revolution, because they don't agree

Starting point is 02:32:31 with each other ideologically. And they have been doing that for a very very long time, and they will find other issues, and they will find any issues to advance their their agenda. That means to take the children away from the parents so they control them. That's right. Yeah, you know, just as we saw that they used class in China and in Europe as a dividing thing, and here they use skin color, then I think also in the same way, this dividing wedge, I've seen this, as you talk about, this has been going on for decades, of course.

Starting point is 02:33:08 I remember one of the first cases that I saw of this was up in Massachusetts, and it was a father who didn't want his eight-year-old girl in a sex education class, and at the time was not into all of these, shall we say, highly deviant sexual practices that are going on right now. It was just straight side. But she was eight years old, and he said, I don't think she's mature enough for this. And they said, well, she has to do it. So he went to school to take her out. They arrested him for trespassing.

Starting point is 02:33:36 And the judge said, when you drop your child off at the school, you have surrendered them to the state, and we will act in loco parentis in place of the parents." And so, there's been this wedge, you know, that they've been making the sexual wedge, they've been making it wider and wider, with all the different diverse practices and everything. But just as they began to use this wedge of sexuality against the parents, and this really kind of does go back even to the mid-20th century, where you had the... And then following up in the 1950s, the generation gap, and then the sexual revolution, all this... They've been using the sex thing as a wedge issue, especially with the parents,

Starting point is 02:34:16 and they've really weaponized it in a very visual way, especially in just the last few years. But they'll find other things, as pointed out, and always do something. Yeah, sex was their secret weapon, but it's really anything traditional, anything kind of normal, they are challenging right now. And for in the communist country that we were taught, we were equal to the parents, we can educate our parents. So many times we were taught that we were equal to the parents. We can educate our parents. So many times we were taught that we were better

Starting point is 02:34:49 than our parents because we know better. We are more updated in our learning. And so we should always watch out our parents and make sure they are up to date with their learning. And so, and that's why in the communist countries and they worship or they give power to the youth and that's what we're doing now. The young people they know, we're led to believe that they know better or they know what's best for them. And the same

Starting point is 02:35:25 ideology, the same idea that the children are better off knowing what's best for them than the parents. That's right. And I saw that, you know, even though I was a child at the time, you know, you can see that there was something different that had happened and it was really flowing out of the schools. They use the schools even at the beginning of all this. The idea that we've got in America, one of the things that's made us very vulnerable is we love the idea that we're constantly reinventing culture. Our culture is very fluid. I would imagine that in China, it was a lot more conservative and not as fluctuating as

Starting point is 02:36:00 it has been in America because of the embracing of media and Entertainment and of the baby boom teenagers and all the rest of stuff They were able to then have this rapidly evolving culture That really kind of played into their hands. I think but was it more conservative in China when when Mao came in? Yeah, it was very traditional. Yeah. Yeah but during the cultural revolution everything turned upside down. In the cultural revolution to us the world was turned upside down just like today. We're taught similar things and I think some of them were not as extreme as what we see in America, but we were also told that there's no difference between men and women. We're the same.

Starting point is 02:36:49 Whatever men can do, women can do better. The other half of the sky. The other half of the sky. Yeah, like Biden quoted. So we dress like a man, we talk like men, we think like man, we act like man. So if you go to China in the 60s and 70s, you see a sea of gray. People look like and you can hardly distinguish the gender. And so we were made into a genderless society. And so Mao always bragged that he liberated women from the oppression of the old society and of the patriarchy. But they did not give them choice, so they all liberated

Starting point is 02:37:41 from the household, you know, shores and their children were sent to daycare by the government. So they were forced to join their workforce. They become the work bee for the party. They work side by side with the men. So they become men. So it's not extreme as say that the women can be men

Starting point is 02:38:04 and men can be women, but it's close. Same idea. Same idea. Same idea. Same idea. Yeah. Yeah, we just add in a kind of a sexual deviance over tone to it. But it is that radical leveling, which is another, you know, everything in communism is leveled, right? You know, we take everybody down, except for the people at top. And everybody else owns nothing and they're happier and all that aren't they? No, that's what I say now we were taught That we're taught that we should own nothing and be happy

Starting point is 02:38:35 Yeah in Chinese in the communist China in most time especially that we had nothing and We have to we have to be happy. If you show that you're not happy, if you show that you're dissatisfied, you will end up in a struggle session or in a gulag. Yeah, that's right. That's what they're working on here. That's exactly what... Yeah, if you are not happy, you better take the brave new world approach.

Starting point is 02:39:05 You can self-medicate with drugs or alcohol or sex or whatever to just drop out of the world. But if you pay attention and you get upset about it, you get the 1984 treatment. And yeah, it's amazing how this is all coming around, and we're seeing exactly the same type of thing. So what do you... you've written the book, you've gone around and talked to a lot of people and giving... trying to wake up Americans. Are they starting to see the light in this? I do. I think when I started to talk, and I remember one particular place, and I went to talk, and I talked about cultural revolution, red guards, and I just noticed there's this kind of blank look

Starting point is 02:39:51 from the audience. And I realized, my God, they really don't know anything. I have to start from the very beginning, and I can't just say, the cultural revolution, what is cultural revolution? Why cultural revolution? What is red guard? How it come into being? And there's just too much to explain in that, you know,

Starting point is 02:40:08 like 40 minutes speak. And in the process a lot of people ask me, you know, I met a lot of people in the past two years. They said, do you have a book? I'm gonna write the book. And it's because that I know that I need to write this book to explain everything in more detail, how and why and where and all that. And I hope that it's going to be helpful for people to understand what the Chinese Cultural Revolution is about

Starting point is 02:40:41 and why it's so similar to the American Cultural Revolution that is unfolding in front of us. Yeah, you know people talk about communist subversion, but the reason they mention that is because these people abroad the exact same tactics and plans and and you know pretended that this is just something that they thought of and and if we don't understand the pattern and and how this has Been used and what it led to, it's gonna be really bad. Now were you there during the period when there was a lot of starvation, things like that? No, no. I was born in that time and it started in 1959, lasted three years. So no. So you're not, as a child, you're not really

Starting point is 02:41:23 caught up in the great leap forward type of thing, right? No, I was too little for that. But everybody, you know, like my parents' generation, know about stories or still alive that I know enough growing up. But I didn't understand why, but I just understood that it was a time that everyone was going hungry and those were lucky ones because they were in the city and they have ration, they have ration of a certain amount of food, even though everybody was going hungry. But in the countryside, that's where deaths took place. Up to 50 million Chinese peasants died.

Starting point is 02:42:05 It's very interesting how both Stalin and Mao used so many of the same tactics, as you're pointing out, in struggle sessions and everything, you know, Stalin had his purges. But then at the beginning of all this, you know, Stalin had his halamador in Ukraine, goes to the place where it's the most fertile, and starves the people to death. Mao does the same thing with his Great Leap Forward. And it's very troubling to see that now, that we have our technocrat overlords who are saying, well, we're going to have to change the way you do food, and we're going to dismantle the food supply, we're going to dismantle energy, we're going to do all this stuff. All of that stuff seems to be, that same tactic seems to be

Starting point is 02:42:45 on the horizon. And of course, that really is kind of at the leading edge of the oppression, because first you have to take everything away from everybody and do your great reset before you can impose this new system. And I think they've got a timeline for this new system of 2030. So I think they're going to escalate this pretty quickly. What do you think? Yes, I think that people absolutely need to understand this. Communism has nothing to do with communalism. Communal, we're just sharing, we're happy together, we take away private property, so there's no exploitation, we're all happy together.

Starting point is 02:43:22 Communism is all about one thing, control. Yes. Okay, control everything in people's lives. Control what you can have, control where you can live, and now we're told 50 minutes the city is where we should live. Control what you can can you you can move during the mouse time they control in such a way that nobody can really move just to visit another place because they give you coupon for for food and the coupon only apply to where you live so if you say I'm gonna take three months vacation travel around the world the country you can't do that. First of we had no money and second

Starting point is 02:44:09 you your coupon could not apply to another city so you're gonna stop where you were and then how many children you can have? Right? When before they they want to have as many as children as possible, they follow Stalin's policy, as many and then they change it, only have one. If you have more, you're dragged to the hospital forcefully, your baby will forcefully aborted. And then what you can say, there's no freedom of speech, zero. Okay. And if you have to praise the party you have to praise the

Starting point is 02:44:45 correctly. If you praise the party incorrectly you're also in trouble and mostly, mostly people pay attention what you can think. So that is communism in a nutshell. That's true. And so people think, do you know that what you're taught was lie when you were in school? How do I know? I have no idea because all the information was controlled. I have no idea to compare to anything, right? It's just one version of everything, one version of truth, and it's from the party, and one source of information that's from the party media or from the school. Everything is controlled by... So when you have no

Starting point is 02:45:36 other information, you can't think. You cannot think critically without access to information. That's right. And that's why they're working so hard on censorship now. It is a very insidious program. And of course, it's interesting when we talk about the one-child policy, because you know what China has done is that they've aligned themselves with this globalist climate movement. And the globalist climate movement is a perfect fit, a perfect rationale for them to institute communism. You know, one of the clips that I've played several times is Justin Trudeau. He was asked, what's your favorite country in the world besides, of course, Canada? And he says, China, because

Starting point is 02:46:19 I could tell everybody what to do to save the environment. That's exactly what this is all about. They have a rationale to tell everybody what to do to save the environment. That's exactly what this is all about. They have a rationale to tell everybody what to do, and they're going to control everything in our lives on the basis of that, including how many kids we have. And of course, the whole climate and environmental movement was born out of depopulation and the idea that humans are a virus and we've got to reduce humanity, which is exactly what Stalin and Mao wanted to do with their starvation programs. There's too many people here to control, so let's reduce the number of

Starting point is 02:46:54 people here, and as I reduce them and devastate the population in my country, I can show my authority and establish myself as the, you know, the dread authority in this particular country. It's amazing how they have followed through to the letter all of these same policies and it's all, it's a plan that's just rolling out to us. And also you know what's happening in China now, right? They ran out of cheap labor. are in deep trouble and the population is so aged and they really the future is dire and then you know what the party said you should have three and And yeah, see that is worse than the population. In the very beginning,

Starting point is 02:47:47 Stalin encouraged birth after the second world war, right? They have like a award to mother who have nine children, ten children, and multi the same thing. So they control everything according to their needs. So now they ask people to have three. Well that's not that easy. You just ask and people just have three. But this started with party members. Party members, if you want promotion, you are required to have three children. Wow. Well that's communism. Control. Control of everything. Just flip the switch and now we're going to do something completely different. And so did you have any experience when you were there in terms of Christian persecution,

Starting point is 02:48:34 the underground church that is there? I know that's... I had no idea what Christianity was. That's the truth. And so no idea because religion removed out of our lives. The only thing that you know in China the largest religion is Buddhism, has been Buddhism. Okay so there are temples and even though some of them were destroyed but there are still some in the city and so but they turn into parks. So growing up, I go into this so-called Buddhist parks, so I know there's such a thing and then we're told they're all superstitious and it's all backward and primitive. So I just go

Starting point is 02:49:21 there and look at the Buddha and you're thinking that's just so stupid. They make a statue like that. So religion was absent in our lives. And of course, I know better. We had a religion, that's communism. And we had a god, that's Mao. And we had our Bible, that's the Mao's red little book. Right? But only in the early 80s, and so I was working in the college for training school teachers, and then Americans started coming in, and they want to see churches. And so by then, some of them started to open. And I was shocked to find there is a building that I passed through there countless times, was a church. And so I took them there, the

Starting point is 02:50:12 American teachers, and there I met a young young guy. And so he said, they and he was, you know, I was 20 in my early 20s and he was too. So he said he was Christian and because his parents had passed it down to them, they just do it at home. I was like, really? I have no clue. I really had no clue that there were such a thing that in China, among us, there are some underground Christians. So of course later

Starting point is 02:50:46 you know it opened up a little more and in the 90s and early 2000s but now you know it's crashing then they're closing churches and the churches that are not closed become the party churches. Yes. And if you go to some of the churches in the altar, it's a mouse portrait and Xi Jinping's portrait. And next to the cross. I've talked about that many times. I said, if you're going to put up a cross, you've got to put Mao on one side

Starting point is 02:51:15 and Xi Jinping on the other side. And I said, do they realize that they've got Jesus and the two thieves on either side? I know, but so if you, today, go to China you can still go to church, there are still some open. Those are CCP church, CCP's church. Yes. And the real church is on the ground. And then later after I came out I met more people who were part of that underground church. So yeah, they call it the Church of the Three-Person Self or something like that, don't they? Isn't it something like that? Yeah, the Three-Self was a policy that installed

Starting point is 02:51:52 early on and then you know basically they are going to make church, Chinese church, you know, and not even Chinese church, a CCP's church. Yes, yes. So if you go to today, if you go to, I went, actually I checked the Association for Buddhism in China, Christianity, Catholic, whatever, if you go to their website, their landing page is the support the Communist Party, the support socialism, they support...forget it. You know, they are not really independent. And you find that, you know, what they started doing, even the churches that were doing that, you know, trying to bow and scrape to the Communist Party, they would then come in and

Starting point is 02:52:38 tear them down anyway. You know, I mean, it's just, you know, it depends on what their whim is. I remember when we were there, we were there for a couple of weeks, and then as we went south into Hong Kong and were on the train, I saw crosses for the first time. I thought about that. I hadn't seen any churches or any crosses or anything like that the whole time we were there in China. It was all underground.

Starting point is 02:52:58 But it's pretty big underground from all reports, because that kind of persecution really grows a church, and it grows real strong church members who they're not going to be coming for the ice cream social. That's just the way they're there for it, because they're really serious about it. Well, I tell you this... Yes? Yes. That's another thing people should know.

Starting point is 02:53:26 Under communism, there's absolutely no freedom for religion or faith. Yeah. Well, I think they're right to understand that the church is their enemy, because I think that is the most effective guerrilla organization to oppose this kind of authoritarianism. Christianity was the roots of our liberal society in the West, and it's going to be the way that they're going to uproot the communists from the ground up, I think, in that country. But you know, when you're talking about the fact that even they wanted to control what you think, that was when Rod Dreier was talking to people who had come from Russia and places like that, and in the tradition of Solzhenitsyn, he actually named his book, Live Not by Lies, because

Starting point is 02:54:12 that was an essay by Solzhenitsyn. That's what they want you to do. They want you to, as you point out, as a child, you're given one source of information, and that's just the way that it is, and so you just go with that. But for the other people, and if you come up with... eventually they're going to come to you and tell you that they want you to repeat 2 plus 2 equals 5. And if you don't... Until you believe it. Yes. Until you believe it.

Starting point is 02:54:37 Exactly. And so that's the thing. It's about breaking your will to eventually come in. And I think that's another aspect of what we see with this gender stuff. You know, you have to, regardless of what you actually see or know or whatever, you've got to deny that and go with what they say is real. And so that's the key thing. And that was the one thing that Solzy Knitzen saw that it's the common thing amongst all these different totalitarian societies is that ultimately you're going to have to bend your... what you know is true is going to have to be bent to what they want you to say just as a power exercise. And we see that happening now in the United States.

Starting point is 02:55:19 And that's why it's so important for people to say, no, I'm not going to go there, and understand where all this is coming from. All of these things, as you point out, Mao's America warning America of the fact that this is a plan, it is an agenda. They've executed this plan and it's going to be so much worse for us because now they have the leverage of technology that Mao didn't have. technology. And also, just this morning I watched a clip of the interview by this guy, George. He used to be the Clinton's advisor, a Greek name, I can't remember right now. Oh, Stefanopoulos? Yes, and an interview, a congress

Starting point is 02:56:05 member, and he just keeps doing that. Can you say that 2020 election is not stolen? And then when he was talking about something, he bring it back, he bring it back, he bring it back. Can you say yes or no? It is stolen. That's exactly the same tactic. Struggle session. Woman is a woman. Can you say, this man is standing in front of you, that he is a woman? You have to say it. Can you say it? Say it now. It's a struggle session, isn't it? Struggle session.

Starting point is 02:56:40 Yeah. It is time for us to struggle against these people, and you have to... People need to understand... That's why your book is so important. People need to understand the Well, it is time for us to struggle against these people, and you have to... people need to understand... that's why your book is so important... people need to understand the tactics. This is nothing new. There's nothing new under the sun. You know, Solomon was wise enough to say that, and of course, this kind of stuff has been going around forever, but it has been honed into a fine tactic of psychological manipulation

Starting point is 02:57:03 by the communists. And now what they're going to do worldwide is take that tactic, that agenda that you lay out here, that Mao did, and they're going to wed it to modern technology to give them more leverage on people, I think. Just realize that they have established the truth, right? The climate is changing, and they're going to destroy the earth if we don't do anything otherwise we are denier, denier, denier. That is exactly what Mao did. One truth. And everyone has to go by it. And if you question it, you're an enemy of the state.

Starting point is 02:57:39 Yeah, that's right. Yeah, we see that over and over again. It is so important for people to see this. Again, the book is Mows America, A Survivor's Warning. Best place to get that anywhere that books are sold? Or do you have a website that you'd like to sell that directly? I know. I should have, but I don't. It'll get you a little bit more money. So I always want to offer that to authors, because I know that they make a little bit more money if they sell it direct. But again, Amazon, anywhere that books are sold, Mous, America, a survivor's warning, very important. Thank you so much for speaking out about this and telling people this and speaking

Starting point is 02:58:14 out in these, you know, the beginning of the struggle sessions that are there. Thank you so much for a message that is so needed, and a historical context and perspective that is so missing in America that people can find in your book. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. Shee Van Fleet, thank you very much. We'll take a quick break, folks, and we will be right back.

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