The David Knight Show - Fri Episode #2074: Operation Paperclip Nazis & America’s Cultural Shift

Episode Date: August 15, 2025

01:02:26 – Nixon Ends the Gold Standard: A Controlled Demolition of the DollarMarking the anniversary of August 15, 1971, the host recounts how Nixon severed the dollar’s tie to gold, ending the Bretton Woods system. He details the lead-up, including the removal of silver from U.S. coinage, France’s gold repatriation under De Gaulle, and the resulting shift from a stable bi-metallic economy to a fiat system fueling inflation, de-industrialization, and wealth transfer. 01:17:13 – De-Industrialization, Debt Expansion, and the Rise of Crony CapitalismExplains how taking the dollar off gold dovetailed with free trade policies and the 1973 formation of the Trilateral Commission. America’s manufacturing base was hollowed out, trade surpluses ended, and debt skyrocketed from $371 billion in 1971 to $37 trillion today. The conversation ties this to corporate consolidation, zombie companies kept alive by central bank policy, and a rigged system benefiting elites. 01:22:33 – The Petrodollar’s Decline and Global De-DollarizationReviews the 1970s Kissinger-brokered petrodollar agreement with Saudi Arabia, its quiet disappearance last year, and the shift toward multi-currency oil sales. Discusses BRICS expansion, the ruble’s rebound after being gold-linked in 2022, and the dollar’s shrinking share of global trade from 53% to the low 40s. Notes that central banks are hoarding gold over their own currencies. 01:44:06 – National Security State Origins and the Truman LegacyReads and comments on a Lou Rockwell article tracing the 1947 creation of the CIA, NSA, and the modern national security state. Argues that Truman’s policies institutionalized interventionism, subverted the republic’s founding principles, and laid the groundwork for perpetual war and surveillance. Links these shifts to Israel’s 1948 recognition, Cold War militarization, and the influx of Nazi scientists under Operation Paperclip. 01:52:06 – The 80-Year Cycle, Operation Paperclip, and Cultural TransformationReflects on how the summer of 1947 reshaped U.S. governance through security agencies, covert power structures, and foreign entanglements. Notes the cultural influence of imported Nazi scientists, with Wernher von Braun as a public face, and draws connections to Cold War propaganda and the militarization of space. 02:00:58 – JFK’s Secret Societies SpeechReading and analysis of JFK’s 1961 warning about “secret societies” and “monolithic conspiracies,” framing it as timeless advice against government secrecy and press complicity. 02:07:44 – Operation Paperclip & Nazi InfluenceReview of how former Nazi scientists were integrated into U.S. programs after WWII, influencing aerospace, weapons development, and Cold War strategy, with Wernher von Braun as a central figure. 02:15:39 – CIA & MKUltra OriginsExposes early CIA abuses, including the MKUltra mind-control program, as part of a broader national security state agenda to manipulate populations and undermine dissent. 02:47:09 – Trump, Tariffs, and Trade RisksCritiques Trump’s tariff strategy as potentially damaging to consumers and allies, warning it could backfire by pushing more nations toward BRICS-style trade blocs. 03:07:17 – NASA Moon Base Plans & Apollo SkepticismNASA’s push for a 100-kilowatt lunar reactor sparks analysis of the Artemis program, U.S.–China competition, and a deeper dive into why America hasn’t returned to the moon in decades, despite having done so multiple times in the past. 03:33:56 – Space Race & Global Power ShiftReflection on how space exploration intersects with geopolitical changeovers, comparing today’s “fourth turning” to post-WWII institution building, and speculating on the existence of a secret space program. 03:45:54 – Red Heifer Prophecy & Third TempleMr. Anderson connects current events in Israel to biblical prophecy, questioning modern evangelical support for temple reconstruction and warning about theological and political implications. 03:50:56 – Decline of Religious ActivismCritique of modern Christian leadership for failing to visibly oppose cultural trends such as the transgender movement, contrasting this with past Catholic and evangelical activism. 03:58:52 – Gold Standard Anniversary & Fiat Currency WarningMarking the anniversary of Nixon taking the U.S. off the gold standard, the host warns about the destructive effects of fiat currency and urges listeners to consider precious metals. 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Then when they asked the Duke of Wellington after the Battle of Waterloo, how he felt about his performance, he said it was a near-run thing. And that's how I feel about this entire setup for the show this morning. I don't know. It was just bad luck or whatever technical stuff, but I got it just on time, right at 8 o'clock, central time, and poured my cup of coffee, beans the brave over to my left, just off screen, keeping up safe from Woodland Cree. creatures, bad vibes, and intruders here at the Branson office. But it's great to be back hosting the David Knight show, filling in for Travis Knight and the great David Knight. It's August 15th, 2025, fortuitous.

I get to host on the anniversary of Richard Nixon taking us off the gold standard. August 15th, 1971, interrupts an episode of Bonanza, which was, It was a Sunday night, and no one else has ever brought this up, but isn't it kind of strange or ironic that the show Bonanza, which was a huge hit. I mean, this was a big deal in 1971. It's a show about people going out west to find gold and silver. That's what a bonanza is. So interesting that that happened on interrupting that program. And I pulled up some metrics.

You know, there's a website out that's called WTF happened in 1971. And it doesn't even talk about the gold standard. It just kind of shows you the sociological and economic consequences of creating a fake currency. And it's a magic trick. I mean, you know, for the entire part of the American experiment from its founding, we were on a bi-metallic standard. And, you know, we had a dollar as good as gold. We had a silver dollar. and in 1933, Franklin Roosevelt made it illegal for you to own gold,

but we still had a gold standard. They reevaluated the gold price, along with his banker, handler, Harry Hopkins, and they raised it from $20 to $35 an ounce, but it stayed that way until 1971. And this was an agreement that we had with the world. I mean, starting in 1944, we had the Breton Woods Agreement. And that was the setup for the new economic world order at the time. That was the culmination of the fourth turning, the cyclical end of that period of history. We had the Great Depression in World War II.

And out of that was born the IMF and the World Bank. And, of course, the dollar became the world's reserve currency. And so in the mid-1960s, the world started to notice something peculiar. The United States, for the first time, started taking the silver out of its coinage. And it is ironic, you know, JFK had that executive order about keeping silver and silver as a monetary medal with the Federal Reserve. And he was the last figure on the last silver half dollar in 1964. And of course, LBJ, Lyndon Baines Johnson, took the silver out of the coinage the following year. So the world took notice.

And as a matter of fact, President de Gaulle of France thought that was a signal. So he sent his warships over, actually, to pick up the gold that was owed to France. He started seeing the writing on the wall that America was expanding its money supply. It was debasing its coinage. And so by 1971, this was something that was going on around the world. countries were starting to show up at the gold window and repatriate those dollars, bring those dollars home and trade them in for gold, which were they were supposed to be able to do per the Breton Woods agreement. So that's why Nixon closed the gold window, because we had expanded the money supply. We had to base the currency, and there really wasn't any choice.

There was going to be a run on our gold reserves. So this happened and this magic trick in the early 1970s, in the early 1970s, the American people who had been used to having a dollar as good as gold, you could, you know, take a dollar and bury it and, you know, 20 years later, dig it up and it's a dollar would buy about the same amount of goods and services. As a matter of fact, I use this metric all the time, but if you go back to the beginning of the 19th century, from even the late 18th century and you were to buy shoes or clothes or whatever you needed, for the most part, in the early 20th century, it's going to cost the same. So from, you know, 1800 to 1905, there was no inflation. I mean, periods of, you know, there was nominal inflation in between times like the Civil War. Lincoln had the Greenback, but it always phased back out because we had a bimetallic silver, gold standard. And so there was no inflation.

And that's when you start to see this country really made a pivot. And not only was it the monetary concept, consequences of taking us off the gold standard, removing the dollar from gold. There was social consequences. And of course, the internal consequences of having left the tradition of making things. This was all done. And you can look back and it's like a plan being put into action. If you wanted to deindustrialize the United States, if you wanted to hollow it out and make it a

make it sort of like though you would have a colony in a consumption colony, you would do that. You would remove it from its manufacturing base. And that's what happened in 1972, 1973. We had the formation of the trilateral commission. In 1973, the United States ran its last trade surplus. And it really was the largest transfer of wealth in human history at that time prior to COVID-19-84, but I pulled up some metrics, and I wanted to go, this is, this will blow your mind because we get, this is a milestone we just passed recently. I think the last few days, we came across

$37 trillion in debt. Let's go. I'm going to pull this up. It was a metric that I, I'd found earlier about the debt. Let's see. Yeah, you, you, you guys, you, you, you, guys don't this has been funny I have so many tabs open and I'm running everything on my laptop so you have to bear with me we may have to come back to it because I don't see the tab anymore for whatever reason but it was it was talking about we had about 370 billion in debt in 1971 and so the metric is basically you go from a $35 an ounce gold price to a $3,500 an ounce gold price. You go from a $370 billion national debt to a $37 trillion national debt. And you see the compounding effects. And of course, it gets to a point where,

and we really are there, this tipping point. Here, I just found the metrics here. By the way, great to be back. And I will go to the chat this morning. I've got, Donald Jeffries is going to be on with me in the second hour, along with Billy Ray Valentine. We might just have an America unplugged second hour. Third hour, I've got a Mr. Anderson is going to be on with me to discuss some interesting moves in the space program. Let me see. In 1971, the U.S. national debt was about 300. 171 billion, roughly one-third of GDP.

Today, it soared to about 37 trillion or about 123% of GDP, a stark fiscal shift over five decades. Most economists, if you read into debt to GDP ratios, there's like a magic number, and it's at 130% of debt to GDP, and that's when things start to have. have a cascading effect it's like a ripple effect it all starts to just come apart at that point where you can no longer borrow it can no longer inflate it there is some sort of magic number at at 130 percent of debt to GDP where you're going to have to reset the whole thing and imagine that that's what that's what they've been telling you they're going to going to do your uh your friends in Davos at their eyes wide shut parties.

They've got a lot of planning going on. They're going to do a great reset because they have to because this has all been a magic trick. This has been an experiment. Growth, income growth versus inflation. While medium household income climbed nominally from roughly 8,700 in 1971 to about 80,600 in 2020, three, the real purchasing power hasn't kept pace, giving the eight times inflation across goods, services, and housing. Of course, it hasn't.

Homes then cost an inflation adjusted $210,000. Now the average price hovers around $417,000, nearly double in real terms. Housing costs have surge faster than wages. I talked about this yesterday, too, with Travis. and this entire we're out we're pricing out an entire generation of younger Americans out of housing because we've hidden that cost of not having a fixed value on our currency we have hidden that in things like housing matter of fact we went from an economy that produced things we're the manufacturing marvel of mankind we've We made things. We were manufacturing and we had living wage jobs and other things prior to to these free trade agreements and the hollowing out. And that was allow a stable home price. And since we become more of a consumptive nation where we just consume and we borrow and everything's

based off debt, as a matter of fact, J.P. Morgan says that gold is money, everything else is credit. But in this time, he would be wrong because everything else is dead. As a matter of fact, every time you create a home loan, you create new currency. That is new currency, ladies and gentlemen. That's not something that's borrowed from a reserve. Same thing if you swipe a credit card. That's new currency. So we got into the, not only the fiat business, we got into the currency creation business.

So every time there's new debt, which is that's how the economy limps along. That's how they measure the consumer price index. All of that stuff. All of the metrics for so-called economic health are based off of debt. In 1971, gold was a controlled price of $35 an ounce. The post-gold standard prices spiked reaching $840 by 1980. And today, gold trades. above $3,000 to $3,500 an ounce.

Once untethered from the gold, the dollar became pure fiat, trust in government and central bank policy, not gold reserves, now underpins its value. This unleashed voluminous money creation, enabling persistent inflation and swelling public debt. Well, it's not only that, too, it's the wage disparities.

If you look at the graphs and charts, you go to WTF happened in 1971, you can see that even corporate profits are up, and this happened in conjunction with free trade policy. Corporate profits are record highs. CEOs, I mean, people that are in the upper echelon income has increased massively. But for the average American, it's stagnant flat or in decline. And as your dollar buys less and less, you have to work harder and harder to buy fewer and fewer things.

It is a rig system. And it's not just an economic issue with me. To me, the entire Fiat experiment, a Luciferian in so many ways, it's vampiric because it drains you of your energy. And it creates things that should not be. It favors things that should not be. If you look at what happened after 2008, they actually have, and I'll have to pull up the charts if we have time during the show. I just thought of it, but they have hundreds of zombie corporations. And what is a zombie corporation?

A zombie corporation is something that doesn't really make money, but it can't really go under. So it's propped up by central banking, by multinationals and conglomerates and those who benefit from. the system itself that didn't used to happen we would have the the semblance of laissez-faire free market and that would take care of itself like if for instance i'm free market if i don't make a profit if i don't run my business the right way i go out of business no one comes to save me i don't get to go to daddy warbucks by the way which the character was based off Paul Warburg, first head of the central bank of the United States, also known as the Federal Reserve. I don't get to do that.

I don't get to go and get bailed out. But that's what we have now. And this top-heavy system, and you wonder why we get into situations, why you wonder why, why is customer service so bad? Why is there no competition? It's because of this crony capitalism that's rigged into a Fiat system. it is insidious and they pray upon you they pray upon all of your work everything that you do because you are not able to cross over and compete with them which i think is the entire setup from the beginning i was talking to travis yesterday i'm

reminded of our conversation now and thinking about the tariffs that were placed on India as we see the emergence of bricks and the weaponization of the dollar everything that's happened really rapidly too in the last five years where we see the dollarization on the rise if you look at that we've made no inroads to make it attractive for companies to build here to make things here we certainly haven't deregulated we haven't our our our arcane tax system that doesn't even make any sense it doesn't make sense for a reason if the super wealthy didn't like the tax code they just get rid of it they love it it was built by the oligarchs it was built by the ruling class matter of fact 1913 you get the 16th amendment this

was pushed through by the powers that be out of the character of the of the of the and Republic, everything that we had been founded on. This was antithetical to that. It was passed in conjunction with the Federal Reserve Act so that you would be a debt slave. You could pay interest on the debt that the banksters would borrow. And they exempted themselves from these taxes. They created their foundations and other things. So it was not a progressive, I mean, that's what it always gets labeled is that, you know, finally we're going to do something about internal social safety nets and everything else and people are going to pay their fair share and there's the robber barons the robber barons created it and that's why it still stands today

you can't have both worlds if you that's so funny you talk to a progressive or a leftist and they're always talking about taxing the rich or eat the rich or whatever you have aOC showing up at that gala with that dress on about tax the rich or eat the rich and it's funny because if they are and then at the same breath they also say that the country is ruled by the multinationals and corporations and

the rich but they don't seem to notice that the the rich love that tax that they keep it there they keep it there for a reason it's a control mechanism it's part of the communist manifesto and we've adopted all 10 planks

of that I think number five of the Communist Manifesto as a central bank. Without gold's constraint, the Federal Reserve could expand the money supply at will, enabling large-scale deficit spending. Other currencies abandoned their pegs to the dollar, introducing volatility in global trade and finance.

Economic stability became reliant on the policy decisions of the Federal Reserve and other central banks rather than a fixed standard. Well, that's another part of this, is that when you have de-dollarization, and even this report that I pulled up, it mentions the petro dollar. That's something else that came out of 1971 through 74.

We got the petro dollar, which this agreement that does exist, by the way, A lot of people said it was a conspiracy theory, but no, it's, it's an, it was an agreement that existed. Henry Kissinger brokered it. It's basically Saudi and OPEC. We say, look, we'll protect you. We'll provide military support, intelligence, we'll sell you weapons, all these other things. You just have to denominate anytime somebody wants to, you know, buy Saudi oil, you have to denominate that and take dollars and so they did and we did that for 50 years and then somehow last year it just went away no summit no meetings no nothing just this petro dollar

disappeared and of course it's still denominated about 80% in dollars but now they're introducing things like the pet for you want and they're also using a basket of other currencies. Saudi Arabia is in the periphery of bricks, which is Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa. It's about 40% of the world's population. So the dollar is dying. The dollar is in hospice,

or at least in its current form, I always say the dollar is not going to zero, the dollar is going to digital. And you look at what happened with the introduction of the Genius Act and stable coins, which is another facet of this. But the dollar is a controlled demolition going on with the dollar at this time.

And you can see it with countries dumping it, like Russia back in 2022 when we placed the sanctions. They had a massive free fall of their ruble. And then once they said, we're going to back this ruble so many grams of gold for so many rubles, and we're going to stabilize it. and we're not going to take dollars anymore and they started going to trade on the open market and going direct oil for gold and things like that with india or china and the ruble bounced back

but the dollar did not the dollar at the time world usage of the dollar in 2022 was about 53 percent of all global transactions went on in dollars by the end of 2022 going into 2023 it was about 45 percent it's in the low 40s right now 40s right now in declining. De-dollarization continues to eat into the dollar share of hegemonic dominance. And I mentioned before many times talking with David, but if you look at the currencies held by reserve by central banks, number one is still the dollar, but number two is gold. It used to be the euro.

In fact, whenever gold supplanted the euro, the European Central Bank had some statements about how gold, gold threatens the monetary world order. They're very anxious about what's happening to their fiat currencies, which is interesting because central banks, they never hoard their own currency. If they find it so valuable, why isn't their reserve stock with that?

Well, it's stocked with things like gold. Matter of fact, they've been buying it at a record pace for the last five years. ramping up every other single year. Let's pull up while we're in that line

of logic. Let's talk about what's next for the Fed. I'll pull this up really quick. This is Kitco.com. And this is interesting too.

You have this battle going on. I talked about yesterday on my show where the president of the United States is threatening to sue the chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank. Now that's a

thought experiment in and of itself. And first of all, the reason that Trump is unhappy with Jerome Powell is that Jerome Powell once at least has the semblance of wanting and at least temporarily a strong dollar, whatever that means. Because when you lower interest rates, there will be a temporary economic boom. You will have, you know, you will have some projects that will start. You will have at least the illusion that things are going great splendidly. There'll be a lot of liquidity, happy times or here again.

And then you start realizing the consequences of that binge. You know, it's like a hangover. And you get really sick. And there's some things to start to fall apart. And there's bubbles that burst and all that stuff that goes on. Jerome Powell raised rates faster than any Fed chair for a reason. And the reason was is because the massive, the massive amount of currency creation, unprecedented, ladies and gentlemen, as you know,

after COVID 1984 there was 80% of all the dollars ever created were created in that five year window from 2020 to now. So of our entire history 80% of all the dollars created were created

in the last five years. So there was a raise in interest rates. It wasn't the highest interest rates we've ever seen but it was the fastest rate hike and that was to put at least a tourniquet on the bleeding that was coming out of the value of the dollar.

And this is Reuters. The headline, the U.S. Fed to cut rates in September and once more this year, say most economists. A Federal Reserve interest rate cut in September the first this year, followed perhaps by another before a year in remains the base forecast For most economists pulled by Reuters amid rising concerns

about the health of the world's biggest economy. U.S. inflation is rising again with more upward pressure expected from President Donald Trump's tariffs

and there have been big downward revisions of hiring figures over recent months that suggest the job market is weakening. What's funny, these experts

are always the last to know if you're on the ground you're actually small business and your lifeblood is in this economic condition you notice that something's terribly wrong something is a foot something is happening and it's it was written all over people's faces and you can see it you know through every transaction it's harder and harder like i said it's harder and harder you have to work more and more longer hours to make less and less and things cost more and more because of the issue with our currency

the way that the system is built. Trump has berated Fed Chair Jerome Powell over his reluctance to cut rates and at the July meeting there was clear divergence from the steady rates positioning among a minority of federal open market committee members alongside simmering doubts over the Fed's

independence from political interference and declining reliability of economic data, it has become more difficult for economists to make predictions with great conviction. I paid attention as a 28-year-old small business guy. I had a real estate company in a convenience store in 2008. I paid attention to what the economist said. And I will never do that again.

I mean, I didn't believe them, but I thought, wow, they sure, it sure doesn't seem like it here on it doesn't seem like it's supposed to be going this way sure seems weaker than what they say you know you turn on the the financial channels and it's like it's great you want to buy you know get this this this stock's going to be and i think there's something there's something lurking by the surface there's something wrong and i was right but uh the experts you know they um they never really have to pay a consequence for being wrong They remain experts.

August is not typically a month for big forecast changes either. Many are waiting for the next round of inflation and jobs data as well as the speech from Powell. His last at the Fed's annual Jackson Hole Conference held this month as his terms as Fed Chief ends in May. Economists are broadly sticking to a more cautious outlook than interest rate. future traders whose pricing suggest a near certainty of a September cut and a strong likelihood of another and the possibility

of a third by year end well this is their wheelhouse this is their trick I mean it's funny we you realize how insane it is that you know the entire economy just

with pated breath just waiting what is the Fed going to do next it should be irrelevant It should be irrelevant, but because of the way the system works with, again, liquidity, the lowering of rates, because when you raise rates, liquidity dries up, it's because a lot of the large holders of capital and even foreign nations will house those, those dollars, you know, buy them and put them in treasuries, because you can make, you know, three or four percent on them. so the more that you raise rates the less likely that there will be dollars flowing through the system that's why you raise rates when you want to curtail so-called curtail inflation or at least dampen it a bit well they're going to lower rates and you really don't need to look further than japan if you want to go to zero percent interest rates and there's even a theory i mean you can technically have negative interest rates You have to punish somebody for saving. A 61% majority, 67 out of the 110, predicted the Fed would lower its benchmark

by 25 basis points to 4% on September 17th for the first time this year, up from 53% in July survey. Well, I'll make a prediction. They're going to lower interest rates. I don't know if it's going to be in September. But they're going to continue to do that. And I think in this iteration, whatever is going on with the Fed, I think you have to look at the kind of zoom out because of the digitized,

tokenized system that's on the horizon. There's something to that. If you look at, and then you could just take a brief summary of what Larry Fink has talked about head of Black Rock. Larry Fink has gone to the World Economic Forum. He's gone to Davos, and he said, Bitcoin is going to go to 700,000. I thought, that's bizarre.

Why would he say that? Well, if you look at the stablecoin system, and of course, Scott Besson, you look at his involvement in stable coins and others on the periphery of the executive, there's a backdoor system. system for digital currency through a public private partnership, and you would need an off-ramp. I don't know what role Bitcoin plays in that other than maybe a store of value or something

else, because in the digitized system, and they've tried this with Fed Now, you had, this is I think July of 2023 is when it first went online, you had the backbone of what would have been, At least if you call it a, a, you know, the bed coin is what they wanted to call it, whatever the CBDC was going to be. And it may still be that. But they've abandoned that particular blueprint, I think, for what Zignu Bresensky would call an in run around sovereignty through the back door of stable coins and through the Genius Act, which I think was. a milestone and you have to continue to watch that kind of zoom out and watch that and see if that system is going to replace our current system because you can only lower rates so many more times and the dollar in its current form you look at you have to look at money velocity

and things that i don't pretend to know how to explain that to you other than like a ponzi scheme You know, if you, if people still use the dollar, that's why we had the Saudis use it and OPEC and had the Petro dollar for so many years because it was a shock to the system. Actually, they called it the Nixon shock, you know, when we went off the gold standard and throughout the 70s, it's massive inflation. You know, it culminates in 1980 with silver at $52 an ounce gold, like I mentioned earlier, over $800 an ounce. It was $35 an ounce in 1971. So this is massive inflation. So you have to export the dollar. It has to have usage and things like the Saudis picking up in 74 help calm that down a bit because it was still being used.

And so money velocity kicks in. But when they repatriate dollars and that's what's happening like China used to be the biggest buyer of U.S. treasuries now. They're the biggest seller. same thing with the U.S. on a flip side we used to be the greatest creditor now the word the greatest debtor these are all turned

all the metrics on their head so I think at some level zooming out as your as your analyst with the conspiracy theory of history in mind not your typical gold bug

I will go into uncharted territories with my wheelhouse for sure let me see if there's anything left in this article and it says the remaining 42 of the Fed representative and chairs said that they would something would hold rates but

again I think that whether or not you see a rate lowering in September, the inevitable is coming, which are going to lower interest rates, which will seem, at least temporarily, like a great thing. And there will be a lot of rallies on Wall Street. A lot of the tech stocks will be, a lot of the things that typically happen

when there's a massive injection of liquidity will come to pass. The problem will be, again, the consequences. of the debase, further debasement of the U.S. dollar and the purchasing power. So, 1971, key to everything that we're seeing now, folks. Funny that's in August. You know what else's anniversary of today? That's victory over Japan. V.J. Day.

Surprise, there's not more. more about that was uh 1945 into the last great fourth turning i talked a lot about that on my show last week about the dropping of the atomic bomb on hiroshima a lot of hidden history there and something to think about you know and then the term i always thought it was interesting the term unconditional surrender you ever really examine that Now, it does not fit. It does not equate with a Christian civilization if you really examine what that means. And then I saw, you know, it's been a crazy last 60 days.

I noticed that's, I think I hosted almost 60 days ago. But the world has changed immensely even since then. You look at, that's something that Trump tweeted out. Have, by the way, have we all forgotten that Trump sent out a tweet to tell the people of Tehran to evacuate? Does anybody else remember that? I know I'm living in the clown world order, but even that took me back. And that's where I thought of the, just the all caps, unconditional surrender. Absolutely amazing times.

ladies and gents all right let me uh let me go to the comments really quick we're about 40 minutes in i want to make sure i'm not missing anybody here oh have marian more good morning tony looking forward to the guest and you well it's great to see you charlie 7337 this is good morning tony good to see you guys yeah thanks for hanging with me today it's funny because I you know if I get asked to host the show I always want to host and I'm working on I've got a new project down in Texas I I leased an old branch bank and it's so cool because it has the the drive-through the tubes and everything it's it's it's not a very big building but it has all the stuff that an old branch bank had and I'm making that into wise wolf gold

silver bitcoin i'm rebranding and having a physical location there but i've got plenty of room for my new studio and it's funny if you could see my setup here this is just so rudimentary i had a better setup in 2020 but i you know i need new equipment and i said yesterday on my show i think i'm mel i think i've broken it i think i've talked too much i've done too many shows my computer gave up on me it gave up the ghost folks all right let me go over to rumble to see all you guys in here. I love David's audience. And I talk to David and Travis,

and I think I might be able to start streaming on here. I need to, when I get my shows up and running, especially the Wise Wolf, gold and crypto show that I'm bringing back here in the next couple of weeks. And one of the comments, I recently heard the Fed is planning on a revaluation of gold. You know, I wouldn't, you know, I'm skeptical of those kind of, that kind of intel when it comes in.

They're at war with gold. And that's been the case since 71. They're diametrically opposed. I think what you probably need to, and I think we alluded to this earlier, is the stable coin issue. it's the stable coins folks that's what they're the dollar's not going to zero it's going to digital there's something in the stable coin system and maybe you know if you look at gold telegraph maybe there's something in the gold back stable coins in your future so a lot of people come into the shop and they say i've heard trump's got a gonna do a new gold

standard or something like that and I'm like I don't think so I this is if you peg the dollar to gold again by the by the way you know the last I mean Franklin Rosebell made it illegal for you to own gold in 1933 and it was Gerald Ford not till Gerald Ford in 1974 I think it was Christmas Eve 1974 made it legal for Americans to own gold again that should have never ever been the cats an abomination the the Constitution of the United States that says only Congress can can coin money, and it has to be gold and silver. And then there's not supposed to be anything like this private banking consortium known as the Federal Reserve. But, you know, in that history, you weren't allowed to own gold.

And, you know, I don't know even really know why the government has to be in the currency business. I mean, we already have private institutions do a way better job. And I know what the gold spot price is. I know what the silver spot price is. I know what the Bitcoin price is. And I can look across the globe and see that. And it's recognized from Boston to Bangladesh. It doesn't really matter.

Or from Beaumont to Beijing. All the bees. All right. There was an article up on Lou Rockwell. I thought I'd try to get to before Don and Billy get here. As a fact, I probably need to. I think Don will just show up. I may

need to send him a link just to remind him so you guys might have to bear with me on that. How cool is it I get to talk to the legendary Don Jeffreys every week? I used to just

read his books and study his work and then one day I got to do shows with him and now we do America unplugged every single week along with Billy Ray. and we'll put this in for Don.

We'll just send him the link. You guys get to, you guys get to a co-host right along with me. There's a cool article up on Lou Rockwell. I think we can get to. And maybe even hold over a little bit with Don. Speaking of VJ Day, who was president then?

That was Harry S. Truman. And you know the S didn't stand for anything. Kind of like Ulysses S. Grant. This is President Harry S. Truman, founding father by George Smith. It says in politics, corruption begins with the corrupted. We see turpitude through society's power structure, but it's only there because we accepted the devil's bargain. It took shape a long,

before the current crop of office holders ran for political office. It was their goal, political office, that people accept it as necessary and right. Without politicians and office running a government, we would be an anarchy, and everyone understood anarchy meant people would be at each other's throats and life would be solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short. Political office is a position of power over others. It is not found in nature, but then neither our houses, jet planes, or Starbucks. How did this oddball arrangement, political office, get started? And why is it considered more important than housing, planes, coffee, or individual lives?

In the state of nature of us, each of us will be responsible for our survival and well-being. One way it is to incorporate with others and produce and trade for things we need. It's called the free market. Another way is to steal from the producers. it's called the government a third way is to put yourself at the mercy of the first two and ask them to support you thievery as a career requires at least three conditions first the power to steal and get away with it second the lack of scruples about taking by force what someone else is produced and third how to redefine number two so that number one can become acceptable to society at large over time it became clear to the politicians that quoting shakespeare's juliet tis but thy name that is my enemy no one can institute theft and call it by that name so that someone invented a new word called taxes and declared that taxes takes the thievery out of theft there is no violation of ethics if politicians

politicians can tax their brothers. In fact, taking the property of others by force is not really theft. It's a price paid for a civilized society. The price is special because it's not determined by market. It's not voluntary. It forces, like other prices, but rather by committee. Thus, we have a special name for these special things. Taxes are what politicians call prices, while the committee bears the distinguished name Congress, a body the vassals elect because they have no choice about not electing them and whose decisions are imposed by implicit threat of death for the resistors. It should be clear that the politicians of the countless agencies they have established

constitute the government, and that this government, so the story goes, impose the name of protecting us from life's countless hazards. It should also be clear that the language of, attempts to hide the distinction between government's business model and those in the market. Besides the time-tested method of bombing a country back to the Stone Age, Western politicians today are waging war using a Trojan horse technique. Rather than sending hordes of soldiers to cross a country's border and wreak havoc on their people and property, today's politicians get elected in an enemy's government, usually their

own. Then they open the floodgates of immigration. It's ingenious because immigration is a natural process and political support accelerates the process and avoids the problems of a direct hostile attack. This is a interesting take. I read it a little bit earlier this morning and it goes into, I'm going to see, hopefully can get to it. It's something that I talk about a lot with the formation of the national security state it really you know if you read history and you see there was a shift and i kind of like the shift that we had in 1865 you know in 1860s 1865 into the civil war you know the united states are and this in the united states is this became a different entity and so too did we become a different entity in 1947 and this was uh and again the even the goals of

that entity changed and that entity is the national security state gorvedal talked a lot about that he was way out of his time national security is freedom's graveyard says messing in the affairs of other countries has been policy since president truman institutionalized the national security state with the National Security Act of 1947. His recognition of the state of Israel, 1948, and policy report NSC 68 of 1950, calling for a massive buildup of the U.S. military and its weaponry. The red threat served as the excuse for an egregious departure from the government's founding principle of non-intervention, and its effect have been and will continue to be

totally ruinous. pundits continue to expose government for its lies, deceptions, aggressions, and avoidable failures. And he has links to see. It says, see here, here, here, here. The obscenity of government's unnecessary wars is struggling to stay hidden. And few are paying attention to the doomsday clock. Oh, I know the doomsday clock.

You're a Cold War aficionado. you know so i think it's i think they've uh we have to check out the doomsday clock i think it's like 90 seconds to midnight or something we were forced to abide in ruining our economy through taxes and destruction of the dollar to pay for murdering people in faraway places and possibly all of life itself but it keeps d o d contractors fat and happy and the politicians alive and in office. Later in life, Harry Truman spoke about the Frankenstein monster he created in a December 22nd, 1963 op-ed in the Washington Post one month after JFK's assassination.

He wrote, I have never had any thought that when I set up the CIA, that it would be injected into peacetime cloak-and-dagger operations, some of the complications and embarrassment And I think we have experienced are in part attributable to the fact that this quiet intelligence arm of the president has been removed from its intended role that is being interpreted as a symbol of sinister and mysterious foreign intrigue and a subject for Cold War enemy propaganda. And that's that's that's the formation of 1947, which was interesting. we're coming up on the 80 year anniversary of that another you know another fourth turning that's the formation of you get the CIA in 47 you get the Air Force you get the NSA and many other periphery organizations possibly even linked to whatever happened in Roswell in 1947 this was

right on the heels and when they came out with the birth of the national security state and of course the following years this article mentions you have the recognition of Israel something happened in that summer to the national security establishment that created a different government and you can find that and it may have been the influx of operation paperclip which the importation of the Nazi scientists and intelligence officers. And we had the best Nazis. That was our game.

We wanted, you know, the Russians were going to get theirs. We were going to get ours. And, you know, we even had our, our favorite Nazi. He was on Disney, that Walt Disney put him out front. And he's Bernard von Braun. He got to be a very big part of the American landscape. And Stanley Kubrick, I think, captured that very well in Dr. Strangelove. Kind of the Cold War mentality post-operation paperclip in national security state.

Should we be surprised when government is given an inch that it takes a mile? Is that not the history of the Constitution, a document of limited powers that Hamilton and others subverted? And none of the critiques have I read a proposal for doing away with government as it exists. It says Jacob G. Hornberger has written endlessly about the harm and futility of government's immigration control, for example. Yet he and most others don't extend that analysis to government itself. Still, he acknowledges that the Jeffersonian truth, that the people have the right to abolish destructive government and form new ones. Since its creation, Truman can be credited with showing how destructive the national security state has been. I submit a new way of governing society is an order, and it's hiding in plain cycle.

Government can and should be market-based rather than an institution of our demise. That was an interesting blend of tough, hard truths, and a little bit of history, which is my favorite. We got BRV in the background. He's welcome to come on at any time. I will go over today. We will go over spot prices as well. I'll do a little bit of market check when I get the rest of the crew on. And again, well, in about three or four minutes,

we'll have the great Donald Jeffries. I see Harps is in the chat. He says, good, good day. Good day, sir. Let's see. I'll check the rumble chat as well. Skunk Hollow Rose Gardens donated $5. He says, Tony, you look like you've been benching and doing core, but it's your cardio more like a leg, but is your cardio more like a leg row?

I really you know I just do I just walk I like walking for my cardio I I train four or five times a week if I can I usually just get really sore part of being an old paratrooper and things I put my body through through power lifting but thank you for the compliment I'm having some coffee with some methylene blue in it I was going through the comments Birdhouse Blue says hi Tony and Birdhouse Blues always makes the best AI renditions of

me and beans and the guys at America unplugged and just because Tony is the alpha wolf doesn't mean his beard has to play the role that's true i don't have to play leave my beard out of this guard goldsmith says tony is rocking well i couldn't do as good as you um guard just has he is a content producing machine

and it also has i mean it's and it's dense and is relevant i'm just you know i'm just stream of consciousness just crazy enough to be able to host a show like let's see Melissa's in the chat could just see Melissa's Moark Wild Woman let's see what else

thank you Woodrow Wilson now Woodrow Wilson gave us the four horsemen of the political apocalypse that was the free trade the income tax the 17th Amendment the direct election of senators

and the Federal Reserve so much so much fun all right well i've got i'm going to add these two gents we'll go ahead and add you guys this don jeffreys welcome to the david night show don

Oh, thanks for having me, Tommy. It's always a pleasure. Always good to see you, sir. And Billy Ray Valentine, who's, can we hear you, Billy? What's up, buddy? How you doing? Oh, good to see you. Good to see you, too, as usual, sir.

Should I play the America Unplugged theme? Should we just let that roll? Donald Jeffries. Oh, host of the Donald Jeffries show. It's good to see you guys. What's on your mind? I kind of covered, this is the anniversary of Nixon taking us off the gold standard.

You know, it's kind of fortuitous. That's my wheelhouse. Easy. I can, I can phone that in. I don't even have to, that's something I think about all the time.

So not hard. And I, a little breakdown of the national security state from loo rockwell. com. So we've covered some ground. Don, what's your article this week? Well,

my last one, it didn't get much traction i guess i you know i didn't write enough about shoes i guess you know i wrote about sydney and the controversy with her and i guess i don't know i guess there weren't that many fans about i was a little disappointed but yeah i talked about how uh you know there's kind of a war and not i don't think she's the most beautiful person in the world but she's certainly attractive and i i just think there's kind of a war against beauty as well as everything else i never i never thought when it was younger i used to think that the the greatest fart anyone can play is just the natural good looks, you know, that you're never going to be discriminated for

their looks, but you do see good-looking women actually getting discriminated against a bit now. And I never thought, like, you know, they'd be discriminated against my obese people, but that's the kind of stuff happening. And so somehow they were mad. And, you know, to take that thing, it's just a play on words, the kind of stuff I like to do all the time. You know, that Sidney, sweetie has good genes. I mean, okay, everybody knows what's that. I mean, they're not suggesting she's an alien queen, and this has to do with Naziism, and that's the way they took it. And it's just absolutely ridiculous. And then I put a picture there, but I think it's very revealing where you have this gigantic woman, you know, pointing at Cindy Sweetie as if she's, that says a lot about how the world is turned upside down because someone like that would have been bullied and made fun of in the past by people that look like Sidney, now the worm has turned.

I just think it's interesting that they that probably I guess it wasn't it wasn't a deep matter for a substack because it didn't get as much responses. My substacks have been recently. I know that Billy Ray Valentine has good genes. You have good genes, Billy? It's okay. I could do without the hereditary diabetes, but other than that, you know um i do have some a nice pair of designer blue jeans i have i have a few of those you know uh because i i like to look good when i'm walking down the street depends on what type of dean

of jeans we're talking about here um you know just to to add to this a little bit i think the reason it didn't get as much traction as as your other stuff done is because nobody gave a damn about this story to begin with um it was not it was um uh really made up and it's it it could be a masterclass laid out on what uh of the alternative right which is pretty much taken over the party right what maga with fox news what they do in order to amplify um something and and really not cover anything that really needs to be covered they're covering nonsense, right? So what happened here is a couple of people online. It wasn't even, I mean, there's just a couple of people online started saying some things here and there about,

about the ad. And they took it just like they do everything and blew it up as if it's a PCR test, right? They take it and bang, right? It's a little thing, right, that's found and it's amplified eight thousand times um that's what's going on here no you you walk around here nobody knows who sydney is now they do you know but nobody knew who she was nobody saying oh oh my god they're doing it's a play on words oh she has great jeans they're trying to american eagle uh outfiters isn't trying to do that they're trying to sell jeans to whomever will buy them right um you know so and no one no one is thinking that but it became an entire thing here um and you know nobody nobody is even complaining that to say nobody is a generalization but it is a very small number of

people that are even complaining about who gets to be on that on you know the faces of these ads um Sydney Sweeney like you said she she's not exactly the most attractive woman in the world I mean she's pretty there's nothing to it you know that there's nothing well at least for me everybody has their own taste you know but um you know they could have easily pulled megan a stallion she's all over the place you know um and nobody would have batted an eye but but uh they found an issue to concentrate on and uh find another uh excuse not to cover the epstein situation another excuse not to cover what's going on with uh with russia not you know things not to cover what's going on with our economy so they they take these nonsense or red meat issues that they throw to the

base um that is uh you know um designed for the base to dig into and and give them something that they relate to it's the culture war and the culture war is made to divide all of this is made to divide so especially with this issue here like i thought it was uh important you know so i'm semi glad you brought it up even though i think it takes away from from the actual stuff that's going on um they just made this up largely in order for people to sink their teeth into and it blew up the the right is responsible for this being prominent that's a full stop you know and if you want to say maga fine we'll go to maga i know there's a big difference between conservatives and maga i'm not talking about classical conservatives i'm talking about maga here and the alt-right and

and how they've managed to manipulate the American public with these sorts of stories, with these sorts of nonsensical, really nothing burger stories, but they blow them up. And this is a great example of it. So everybody needs to keep their eyes out for it. The left is not really making a deal of this.

They never did. The left is responding to what the right had put out, not to say, that the left, every time, you know, somebody says, oh, the left isn't doing this. They're like, oh, my God, you're a liberal. You're not paying attention to the left or all this other stuff. The left has a lot of problems, right? But what I'm talking about now is this specific issue.

And it's really not an issue. It's not. But they want to make it one because they don't want to talk about Michael Wolfe, right? They don't want to talk about what Michael Wolfe is out there saying. When has Fox News covered Michael Wolf? Maybe in passing. you know but he's out there dropping bombs about epstein left and right and he was doing it back during trump's first term also nobody gave a damn now there's more um eyes to it but no the the

the the right wants to talk about sidney swine whom i don't even know what she does till right now i don't know i kind of thought the same thing well and what when you we say about what you mean trump's former attorney but what what um Yeah, let's talk about the upstate list because I just wanted, this is a, you know, this is very uncharacteristic of the left to be demanding the release this. I mean, do they think that only Trump is going to be on the list? They don't care. Well, that's great. If they don't care, that's cool.

Because, I mean, I can't see Bill Clinton going down and he was on supposedly on the whatever, the Lovita thing, 29 times. And I talked about the guy, Mark, what was his name? Got to forget his name now. But it's the most classic example of the Clinton body count. It was just a couple of years ago. This guy was found with a shotgun blast to his chest hanging, and they ruled it as suicide. And this was the guy who, during the Clinton administration, Epstein used to visit the White House when Clinton was president. He's the one who signed Epstein in every time.

And that's the way he went out. So, I mean, and half of Hollywood, I mean, I don't, maybe the left is so much wants to get Trump that they'll sacrifice all the other people. I just don't see any of those people going down. And I don't see there's any way that it could be, you know, Trump can't be associated with it in some way. So that's why the right doesn't want to release it. But I don't see how all those people on the left aren't either. So, hey, I'm rooting for it. And I think it's incredibly, it's the dumbest thing.

Again, I think it's Trump inside, so I think it was done on purpose. But miscalculation, Trump has ever made. But you're right. He hasn't lost all his base because they can become distracted by this thing. and even more, even dumber stuff like, you know, where I am, the commanders, you know, almost every football fan here wants it to be called the Redskins again. So, you know, that he's in the huge shade with that. It's not exactly a bold thing to do.

And, of course, it would be completely meaningless. Same thing with, you know, putting a cane sugar back in Coca-Cola instead of a fructose corn syrup, which is, would be nice, I don't drink coke anymore, but let's take a fruit-toes corn syrup out of everything. How about that? Not just Coca-Cola. And why doesn't Mexico have cornstead? in syrup. Don't make any sense.

Why do we need it? Nobody asks that, just like nobody asked why the U.K., well, you can buy McDonald's French res there, and they have three ingredients. They're all natural, and here they have like 30 or something like that. Why? And that's the kind of stuff RFK Jr.

sometimes says, but I agree. We should have real issues, and we should. I guess Tony, I didn't get to watch, but you said about the national security state. I'm sure Billy Ray has something to say about that, but I mean, this is just another miscalculation on Trump's part. And I think he's,

He's tried to salvage what's left of his base, the people who go around with, you know, are excited about law enforcement. And so he thinks he's going to crack down. I mean, look, I've lived in the D.C. suburbs, you know, for all my life. And I don't, D.C. has always been dangerous in certain areas. I don't know what's happening now other than the big balls got attacked. I guess that was what the impetus here is. But I don't understand what's going on now and to what extent he's going to try to take over D.C. but this is again another dumb issue because i don't know what you accomplish but it plays to that

what i would call the classic conservatism base which is in love with law enforcement they're in love with authority as long as it's people they don't like and that's why they're making they're doing the same thing the left does when they want to cancel people when they don't like what you're saying you can't just again it's the same thing when 9-11 you can't you can't arrest everybody named mohammed because they might be a terrorist you can't you can't you can't you can't go looking for and i don't think they're doing that here but it's the same kind of mentality let's everybody has a tattoo and you know it looks mexican it could be an ms 13 gang member it's the same kind of thing and i don't know what they're going for here and what the but unfortunately too

many of the maggot people are on board with it because the people that run dc are horrible i mean people are reasonable so it's it's an easy win for him to but i i think he's again making a big mistake and he's he's going to lose more honest people that really want put america first because this is stupid it's it's a distraction it's it's almost as dumb as a city sweetie and and uh changing the redskins name back i mean it's it's it's ridiculous it's a distraction and uh as i'm sure tony pointed out it does it it certainly reinforces what a lot of people think of him as an authoritarian who you know wants to create a police state a massive amount of

injected stories into the discourse post the press conference where Trump said, are we still talking about Epstein? Why are we doing this? And, you know, Pam Bondi's like, and I, that dastardly Jeffrey Epstein

that weird, she had this, this robot. Yeah. And you know, deer in the headlights after the fallout from that, then you had a Tulsi Gabbard come out. We're reopening the investigation into Russia Gate. That kicked off. So that was another distraction. And then we've had later, have we haven't had any rest with that yet, Tony? I don't think so.

Of course. When as soon as it hit, I go, oh, they're doing this. This is the, so this is the play. And then, of course, the, like you said, Billy mentioned earlier with whatever the clickbait, right is, you know, we'll take an issue and blow it up. Now, I will say with the, and I don't know anything about Sidney Swinney or the jeans thing, but I do think that there's always an available psychopathic, luciferian, you know, possessed leftists that will hate anything that's pretty or good or funny. You know, so you can always find one. I mean, they're easy to find. I read an article yesterday, just these two professors that want to promote climate change, they're ethics professors and they want to continue to promote tick bites that

with the give people alpha gal that where they can't have red meat because of the tick infection so they want to promote that so like I would assume they'd be of the left and like this is the that so that's that's an argument that is real but it is also blown up so I agree with with Billy there that they take this stuff and they just run with it they repeat it rinse and repeat because it'll take your mind off the fact that we were all still going, wait a minute, this whole thing about the Epstein list and who's on it and the files and the 10,000 hours or whatever the hell you have. And you're just telling me it doesn't exist and now it does. Galane Maxwell's been given immunity and moved from

a maximum security to a very minimal security prison from Florida to Texas. There's big things happening. Oh, and yeah, and then we've also got the Bill Barr issue. You guys, we've talked, we haven't even talked about that on America unplug because we took off last week we had the bill bar issue uh you know with him uh behind the scenes trying to get Trump for Rico and then you know his connection to and his dad's connection to Epstein there's there's a lot here and so every distraction and in low hanging fruit and everybody knows i mean hey i you know bring back mary and berry anybody remember mary and we could put him back you know he he's It takes one to no one. You got to get smoked me up. He smokes some crack. Right, right. It was more popular than ever after that.

I mean, because they looked at it and it's, and that's what I can't stand ghetto culture so much because they, they love the fact that he was apparently one of them. He was keeping it real. So we've got to put him back in office. Like, what are you talking about? How many people did he lot? How many people were locked up in D.C. for crack cocaine during that time, you know? You don't care about that? I mean, it also gives a bet.

There's more people that won't subscribe to that than do, you know, here in the hood. There's more people that don't want, that don't use drugs, that get up and go to work every day, that contribute to the economy and that want to keep their neighborhoods clean and want to keep their neighborhoods arising. You know, I mean, I think we should when we talk about things like, and that's another distraction. actually. It's this black fatigue and ghetto culture, but it's just a means to divide. You know, that's all it is. So when we talk about those sort of things, it's important to highlight that the majority of the people that are here and that live in these neighborhoods, they want to do better. Everybody's going to higher education. They're trying to get better jobs. They're

trying to get out of here. And a lot of people are doing that. And then they're trying to rehabilitate the areas that they're in. We need to highlight that rather than highlight the negatives in my opinion when it comes to some of this stuff. I mean, I, and I think I, I've always felt empathy for anybody living in those neighborhoods that because what they're having it, but the problem is that the ghetto culture, what I call it, that has become the culture. It's promoted nonstop. Even the people may not, may hate it. But I mean, it's a, you know, it doesn't make any sense. You see people like Spike Lee and other filmmakers that glorify it that make movies. And while they say, well, they'd bemoan it and they're trying to hide.

No, you're glorifying. Just like in the 1930s, Warner Brothers and Hollywood glorified gangsters. They were trying to show they were bad, but everybody thought they were cool. And it's the same thing now. They're trying to glorify. I mean, there's no, it's no mistake that I don't think I've met a black guy in my life whose favorite movie wasn't Scarface. I mean, it's the kind of thing. They base the entire gang culture on that stuff.

And it's terrible that they glorify it. They should show, they should ridicule it. And that's the only way to do it, but it never gets ridiculed. Instead, it's always considered cool. And, yeah, the people that live in those neighborhoods, I mean, yeah, it must be awful. But, you know, because you want to have that thing. You want to have that try to be rectified. But, I mean, well, Trump's going to crack down on that.

I guess that's what he's doing with this. Is he going after that? Or maybe he's going to have bookmobiles going around and force inner city kids. to read. I'm making it, you know, I don't, I'm going to do that. I'm sorry, he's going to look at this. What a strategy is? Is he, uh, has he announced what his strategy is? You have to read. Every, every kid has to read. We're going to make them read. They're going to be the best readers. Imagine that. It's the heart of the deal. Everyone's going to read the end of the deal. It's not going to read.

That's a good point, Don, and I'm going to throw it to Tony afterwards, man. It's, it's, um, what's going on in in D.C. is a massive, massive problem. And there are people that support it. You know, there was a poll that was done not too long ago about

and they were polling the base, right? Well, not just, they were polling Republicans. And they said 47% of Republicans will continue to back Donald Trump even if he is

implicated in the Epstein files. And I mean the worst implications, right? They said they will continue to back them. And then they did, you know, a montage of people that were interviewing people. This was on, I saw it. I saw the clip on Instagram, but it was on CNN and MSNBC as well. And they were talking about, you know, interviewing people about this. And we'll go, would you support Donald Trump if you find out, if you found out that

he was, you know, engaging in pedophilia or crazy acts in, Jeffrey Epstein or that absolutely anybody but the Democrats anybody but the liberals you know it doesn't matter I don't care what he's doing as long as we don't have a liberal in there we don't care what he's doing so we talk about Trump derangement syndrome quite a bit I think we really really need to start talking about Democrat derangement syndrome every time every time it comes up somebody has something to say about about the left and how crazy they are and how you know everything else it's like Well, how much do you really hate the left? Are you willing to cut off your nose for it?

Like, are you willing to sacrifice your nation for it at this point? Because I've never seen anybody do what Donald Trump is doing right now. Okay, actually, no one's ever done what Donald Trump is doing right now. And that is a fact. He federalized the police over in D.C. Sure, he has the right to do it because D.C. is under his control anyway. It's federal. But it's never been done before.

And the telling thing here is, first off, there's no reason to do it, right? This is another example of what the right does and they blow things up. And then people just start parroting it. They're like, oh, my God, it's so dangerous to be in D.C. Stephen Miller said it was like Baghdad. It's walking down like Baghdad or Ethiopia, he said. It's that crazy walking down D.C. I've been to D.C. several times.

I've taken walks at two, three in the morning to the documents and I'm good. no one's ever even talked to me it's beautiful down there of course there's areas around it that that aren't the greatest um but no one's ever no one's ever messed with me it's certainly not bagdad i mean i tony would know about that tony knows what a war zone looks like you tell me tone but but i'm just saying like this is what they're they're they're saying now right that the reason he did this was that um it was so out of control in dc you know that that they needed to to take this type of action and send in the National Guard, and they got FBI agents out there now, too,

and, of course, the police. And he said he's going to send the military. He's not ruling it out. Take him at his word, people. He's done it before already, okay? In California, for no reason as well, for no real reason anyway. They're going to pick a reason and run with it.

He said he was going to do it to other American cities, and I believe him. And this goes back to the dark. Enlightenment, they want to take, not just the United States, but cities, the cities, they want to take the cities and have them run by a CEO. This is what their philosophy says, right? They want them run by a CEO and a board, a board of people. And the actual people that live in there can vote via their feet, meaning if they don't like it,

they can leave full authoritarian i'm not making this up go go read it you know curtish jarvin right by the dark enlightenment you're talking about the the technocracy the spin on technocracy um uh peter thiel is certainly down with it you know um i think it's intertwined to a degree it's um um it's what curtis jarvin has been pushing for years and years and years and And Peter Thiel subscribes to it as along with J.D. Vance, you know, of their friends. And they relate to this, to this philosophy. This is where Doge came from, getting rid of all the federal employees. This is where that came from. And ultimately, what they seek to do is install a dictator. This is why they're giving Donald Trump all the power, the unitary executive theory.

They're giving it to all this power in Donald Trump because, and this is open, this is not a conspiracy. theory this is their open thoughts um that they want a dictator to run the united states that they said that that americans need to get over their dictator phobia um and this is the best way to do it because democracy is dead and it doesn't it's not a thing it doesn't work and this is the best way to do it as long as you have a competent CEO to run the nation and that competent CEO is Donald Trump and i i am not he's not competent you know um i i'm I'm not fully, I'm afraid that he's going to want to stay in office in a couple of years, in three years. You know, I'm afraid that he's not going to want to leave.

And these are, these are some of the ways that he can do it. I don't think he can run again. He certainly can't do it legally. But if he starts taking over some of these cities, you know, and this is, we know he's lying to us about the reason why he took over the city, about the reason why he took over D.C. There are other reasons. We need to start exploring those other reasons. And I think the Dark Enlightenment is one of the best options here that we can look at because they're starting to implement some of this.

So that's what makes sense to me. I think you certainly I agree with a lot of that. But I think this is why I, you know, when people sometimes mistake me for a conservative, I'm saying, I've never been a conservative, I never will be. And this is one of the reasons why, because this is the, the, the, the, the bad. part of conservatism is this love of authority. And it doesn't, it doesn't fit with the MAGA mindset is that the authorities are corrupt, supposedly. And that was, so Trump on the one hand was calling out, especially in his good rhetoric, he was calling out a lot of the horrible things

that are going on, the horrible people that have been running things for too long. But you don't, you overthrow that by reinforcing the power of the law enforcement, you know, which is what he, And that's what conservatives do. I keep saying, you know, the police are not your friends. What the hell do they have to do to you for you to understand that? They still want to do it. I saw there was a, they used to be entertaining. They get bored, but they have like these, these mega people that infiltrate like

transgender rallies and stuff like that. And it's entertaining because there's, you know, there's going to be middle fingers flying and name calling and they're almost physical altercations. And they're usually women. But this one, you know, kind of, you know, I don't know, she's a young woman, probably, but she's a total maga devotee. She just loves everything about Trump. But then she was so shocked because the police took on her, as they always do in these situations

and told her, no, you have to go. And, you know, the transgenders were up in her face and acting crazy. You know, they defended the transgenders, as they almost always do. And the leak of shock on her face, you know, this is again, the police are not on your side, but it never, the light never goes off in their head. And so they're going to be predisposed to like this. Yeah. We just get police more just to arrest more people.

We already have more people in prison than any country has in the history of the world. The last thing we need, I refuse to believe that there are that many criminals in America, especially when you have all the unpunished criminals in positions of authority. They have to follow the criminalism. But, you know, you can't, but this is the mindset. If we just lock more crack users up or more people. that are committing maybe petty crimes or something or littering. I don't know what they, you know, what they, what they, what they, what they, what they, what they're, what they're planning to lock up, but D.C. Presidents got to be pretty overcrowded as it is.

And so I don't know what the strategy here is, but it sells. It sells to the base. I mean, it goes back to Richard Nixon. What, what did he run on? Law and order. Law and order campaign. That's it. And our problem is the law. And, you know, my great, my anarchist friends that maybe the order is the problem too. But I get this is this is sad to see and it's terrible because you're basically, unlike Billy Ray, I don't think Trump is, I don't know if he's going to last his term, you know, in terms of he's really sick or whatever. But I don't think that this is a lame duck presidency now. He's trying desperately to distract a three and a half year a lame duck president. We never say anything like it. And he made it a lame duck presidency with his absurd reaction to the Epstein list because he lost lots of his base.

They may may not seem like it, but he did. There's no question he did. He lost anybody that was on. What's that? Strike on Iran and not ending the war. Yes. Yeah, exactly. It's a,

it's been a blunder the last eight months. Subservience to Israel in the face of all logic. In the face, you know, people like Merge, I think Billy Ray is probably Marjor Taylor Green's newest fan now. You know, Mark Levine wants,

Markle Dean wants to lock her up. I mean, I mean, I'm scared, because she thinks you want to go to Israel. I mean, this, that's what I'm saying,

the left, the authoritarian left, but you see when it comes to Israel, especially the right does the same thing. You're going to lock somebody up because we shouldn't give aid to Israel. That's the problem. There are no good guys here. So the mega people that try to

defend this, it's absolutely ridiculous. We obviously need something really independent, but that's my whole Trump and Stein project theory is that this was designed to kill off an independent political party. And then you can see he's in the middle of everything. Nothing will ever happen until he's

gone because otherwise everybody the people that hate him are going to vote for Genghis Khan against him and the people that love him are going to vote for him no matter what he does. He could be the he could be seen raping a 12 year old girl and he can have video on that. Hey you know she's not a Democrat

you know we sell Obama or whatever so it's it's ridiculous I don't think I'm ever going to vote again. I always say that and then I you know I stupidly trudge to the polls usually it's a tough habit to break Tony, Tony kind of turned me onto something.

I mean, I was sure what happened a few months ago when the child and chief took over again. Like, I never thought that would happen, the big orange monster. You know, and that really changed my perspective on voting. But, you know, Tony was like, I have a conversation. Sometimes I go to Tony for advice. Not often, sometimes. He's a very busy man. So, and, you know, Tony was like, you know what, I'm, I, well, he gave me some sound advice about

this, um, which kind of changed my perspective. I was going to, I was going to divulge, but I don't, I don't know if, if that would be appropriate, but Tony put it in perspective for me, the whole, the whole voting thing. And this is what I'm going to vote for someone, for the rest of my life. I'm going, and I've never ever voted. I've voted one time before, one time in my life, you know, I'm just as old as Tony. We're at the same age. We're 40, 45 years old, both of us. But I, and I just never subscribed it to the process,

and there's a lot of reasons for that, and I know a lot of people will be sympathetic here that are listening. But I will never not do it again. I will always vote for someone. And at this point, I hated voting for the lesser of two evils, but given where we are right now, I think we need to, like, strategize and say, well who can we take here what can we do better against and and maybe vote in that direction

instead of like sitting out all together and then now we're here in in full full on authoritarian mode uh in my opinion anyway so go ahead tony sorry about that are you guys getting a little feedback there on i wasn't are you getting feedback from me it might be mean is any no let's make sure the chat's not getting any feedback If there's any static coming across, this will make sure that I didn't need to do anything on the... Somebody says cracking. Yeah.

It's static for some reason. Let me... I don't know why this is happening. Anyway, go ahead, Tony. Take it over. Let me see if I can adjust your mic real quick. Yeah, I think that... But I think Billy Ray, it's, you know...

I believe... Oh, yeah, Jackson T. Barrett, Billy Ray is the... president of the Billy Ray Valentine fan club. It says that Billy, BRV is all static. And so I don't know about that is. That's the, that's the nicest thing he's ever said about. Yeah, yeah. He's, but maybe he's just hearing all the stentic, whatever you speak. I think, but, but I think it's interesting, you, you've, you've been compelled Billy Ray to become a voter. A lot of people became compelled to

become a voter because of Trump to vote for him. I think it's pretty obvious in your case. You've, you've been, you're now turned off to all Republicans. I would imagine most of them because of uh of trump and i think there's a lot of people like that what's happening done let's look at what i mean how many of these people that hated trump and said all sorts of things about trump are now capitulate and bending the knee and and actually like just saying whatever it is that would put them in trump's good graces how are they supposed to describe it's something like that. How are I supposed to say, oh, you know, it's not a bad guy. Maybe I should vote for Mark. I do hear static with Billy right now. But you're right. I think that, but it just

it's because, again, this is, this is the Republican Party is just as bad as a Democrat party. So when the, God, I said Democrat, like a Republican Democratic, they got me saying it. But the, you know, the idea again is that Trump took over a party, kind of, but he didn't really, because except for a handful of Marjorie Taylor Greens, and we're not turning against them, Thomas Massey, people like that, Matt Gates, who's not longer in Congress, there's only a handful of them. The rest of them are not much different than the Republicans that were in Congress than George W. Bush was there. This is, and that's why I say, again, there, but they're, so they're, so whenever Trump

bombs Iran or bombs, then it goes to war. anywhere, they're going to be on board for that, just like they were when Bush was president or Obama or anybody. And whenever he says, hey, let's give police, you know, these people want to defund the police. So, you know, let's give them more power. And they're always going to support that. But whenever I guarantee you, if Trump really followed through on any of his popular stuff, if he suddenly said, you know what, remember when I said, we, we had, you know, we have troops in 150 countries around the world, we should bring them home. If he tried to do that, the entire Republican party, except maybe for a handful of MAGA people, maybe not even them, they would be against

him, 100%. And if he tried to, if he really does, you know, we need to audit this Federal Reserve. We're going to do something about this. This is crazy money. Again, the entire party would be against him. They only support him, Billy Ray, because he's just doing there, it's, he's doing it in a crazier way and a more extreme way, but he's just doing the kind of stuff that right-wing Republicans would do. Give the police more power. crack down on crime, bomb people, you know, build up the national defense. You know, supposedly the intelligence agencies hate him. I haven't heard Trump badmouthed the intelligence agencies lately because, again, he's depending on them to keep, you know, maybe keep the lid on the Epstein list and everything.

So I don't think, I really don't think Trump, I know you think Trump is so different and everybody does. I think he's just a giant distraction. His personality is different. And I, you know, I'm outside of D.C. I don't, you know, of course, I'm not really going to see it from here. I don't know what he's actually done so far. And I suspect that most of it is going to be smoke. I don't know if there's any fire in there.

I don't know what's actually going to take place on the, if he's saying all this stuff, maybe he's technically federalized the police. I don't know. But what will be, what will happen? I don't know. I don't think you're going to see videos of like the military running through and cleaning up areas. I just, I don't think. But I, you know, I could be wrong.

But I think this is more he just wants to, he came up with something that he thinks will win over, maybe back some of his people. And it makes no sense. And, you know, maybe he, I don't think he really cared about Doge because he's ignored it now. So I doubt he was friendly to Big Balls, but this took place after Big Balls was apparently, you know, carjacked or something. I don't know, but I don't know. That's, but that's kind of my long, rambling way of responding to that. Well, I think crime is, I mean, it's bad. all across the United States and major cities,

we have decaying infrastructure and law and order itself is breaking down because of the bureaucracies in between. It's the entropy, if you will, Don, maybe that's a good word to look at the American experiment or where we are right now with just everything. I think it's an extension of how hollow our institutions have become. But when I think of places like D.C., the first thing I think of,

And it's not, I was just there, you know, a couple of months ago. And I went and stayed at the Willard Hotel next to the White House. So I had to fly out. I was speaking at a conference in Virginia. Fancy. Yeah, very, very, yeah, but I stay at the Willard. I've stayed there before when I was a soldier. But I, you know, I walked around D.C. for a little while.

And I would say that I, you know, unlike Baghdad or Mosul, I, I wasn't worried about an IED or getting hit by, you know, sniper fire or, you know, a car bomb or something like that although you know it is it is a dangerous place but so is Chicago and those things those two cities have in common is they're absolutely draconian on the individual being able to carry their own firearm or protect themselves a matter of fact I remember I you know I drove into Chicago once as I my son lived in northern Illinois with this mother I go up to through Chicago sometimes and I remember driving through it my my pickup one time and I go oh and I just the cold sweat started to pour and I'm like I realized I had like three pistols with me you know just because and you would

and if you get caught you know and you're in Chicago and you've got a firearm and maybe it's not you know you don't have your proper whatever concealed carry or whatever the hell you got to have or trans transporting documents you can get in a a lot of trouble. And it shouldn't be that way. I think in those kind of cities, the answer is not, you know, the National Guard and certainly not, you know, more and more police. There has to be, I think, a semblance of, you know, freedom for the individual. And I think, you know, even in cities like in Texas where you've got, the crime's a bit lower. And there's a little bit more stability, although it's crazy everywhere. I mean, there's mental illness is rampant and especially in the cities that are like out in California where you've got you know like the cities are literally bankrupt I mean they're like San Francisco's got a massive problem of businesses exiting because of their policies so you have you're gonna have a lot of fallout from

the economic conditions I don't think we've seen the last of militarizing and they've been militarizing the police for a very long time I don't agree with that and that, you know, there's another aspect of that is, you know, a lot of these police forces are sent over to Israel. They're training, yeah. We're training, which is, I think, is a red flag, too, and because we're not an occupied state, or at least that we're not supposed to be. But I have mixed feelings on, you know, when you talk about law and order, I definitely

think, you know, children ought to be able to play safely where they are in their neighborhoods. I think that people ought to be able to go to the store and not have to worry about, you know, getting carjacked or robbed or something like that. But we have a, I've said this a long time. I think that the war on drugs, whatever that is, you mentioned earlier,

putting people in jail for, for plants and whatever they make in a bathtub at a hotel. I don't, I don't really care about that. I said, I want a war on thugs, not a war on drugs. Like I think there's people that are violent criminals.

And that's another thing about, you know, the immigration policy that we've seen out of this administration has been disappointing because I don't see, where's the, I would know we would have the video of raids on, you know, MS-13 or compounds or whatever these, you know, we have, there are sophisticated criminal networks in this country that are fueled by substance and fueled by human trafficking. They are militarized. We do not touch them. You know, there's a, what's that movie? Was it, Bill, you might know it had Josh Brolin. It was Sicario. What was that one where he, I don't know if Billy's back yet, but.

I'm here. Can you hear me? Yeah, you remember that movie that came out of things like 2019, had Josh Brolin in it, and it's about, you know, something happens over the border. I forget the name of the. I don't, but you said Sicario and that, that ring up. Sicario, I believe. And he just, I mean, they had like sophisticated.

hits and targets, you know, because, and they were hit back by the cartels. These are, these are sophisticated entities. You don't really see that, but you do see, like, the kids getting, you know, detained at graduation or, you know, people getting rated at lows or something. I'm like, I'm not really concerned with that. I'm concerned with, we have a real problem. We have the Bloods and the Crips here for how many years. The hell's angels.

People are like, I've yet to see a video of any police because the police are scared of them. They would pee their pants if they got in them an altercation with any of those people. So all those excessive cops gone wild videos, I've yet to see them go wild on an actual criminal. It's always, you know, somebody in a wheelchair, some little kid or some, you know, a fuddled motorist that, you know, had a, you know, a brake light that didn't work or something like that. So that's again, I admit I'm probably more prejudice against the cops than I am as anybody else. So, you know, you don't want to hear me talk about it because I am, you know, I would say ban the police. And I would just find out because I don't think they serve any purpose.

Like the conspiracy people say they're, you know, one of the modos in the conspiracy world is never, ever call the police. And I definitely follow that credo because they don't do any good. So it's definitely a call me. I come out of the background of military police in the Army. And I didn't do much policing because I was part of a combat. unit. So, I mean, very little, like, domestic stuff. But there is a call, like, you go through that training, you go through, that's a lot of MPs become cops. You know, I never really wanted to do that. I'm after about age 22, I'm like, I really, this is not for me. I'm, I'm, I'm a lot more

relaxed. I don't understand, like, I'll let you go, like, if I pulled somebody over for speeding. I'm like, just get this person safe, you know, like, I just want to remind you, you're doing 20 over. Hey, it's no big deal. I, I didn't enjoy any of, any, of that aspect of things. I didn't enjoy detaining people for things that I didn't think, you know, it's like just let them go. I want to have the discretion. I'd be letting everyone go for the most part, unless they were harming someone.

You know, that's why I think I'm for law and order, but I also think that the sheriff's departments need to have a bigger role, mainly because sheriffs are elected and their law enforcement generally throughout the country and the counties is a lot different than, say, the municipalities with the police departments that are run by the mayor. It's just a lot different. There's a different style. I think that policing has to be different in a way that, you know,

the whole motto of protect and serve, that's been thrown out the window. And you talk about Don, you study with the cops gone wild, you know, stuff, but I understand that's the reason I'm not in law enforcement. I understand that I've seen those type of people,

you know, and I've served with them. I understand their mentality. It's not my mentality. But I do see that we do have a breakdown at some level. But I think that the militarization of D.C. or whatever they're doing in the troops in California, all that I think is linked to this show like Don talked about. I think it's more press.

It's more headlines. It's more narrative than anything. It's not really about effect. It's about changing the storyline. You know, I would, I would hope that you are correct, but I think it's more benign than that, to be honest with you. A few things, you know, the states with the highest crime rates right now is, or cities, it's St. Louis, Missouri and Memphis, Tennessee. Right. Why is he not going in there? You know, and what are those two states have in common? Right. They're a red state. So it's the blue states that he's waging war again.

And it's all one America. We need to remember this. If it happens to us, it's going to happen to you. You know, that's, we've been saying this in the alternative media for quite some time. If it happens to one of us, it's eventually going to happen to all of us. You know, I've listened to Alex Jones for a long chunk of my life and remember him saying that over and over again. He may not say that now, but he used to say it before, you know, so that's something to look at. Um, he's already got into LA. He's threatening to take over New York. You know, and, and, and people, like Don said earlier, they, they want to subscribe to these things because one, it's not them. And two, they hate the politics or they hate the way of life that, that these other cities, um, carry out. You know, so they're like, whatever you need to do to get rid of that, you go ahead and do it. And, and at that point, we need to start, are we really?

You know, are we really pro-democracy or not? You know, what is the United States becoming? Second, Angry Tiger in the chat says there is no lesser of two evils. There's only evil. You go ahead and keep believing that, and that's why we're in a situation that we are right now. That's why we're, and I used to, I used to subscribe to that all the time, that there's only evil and to a degree you're right but there are different levels of evil okay there's a a kid um stealing stuff in the street or or Jeffrey Epstein raping little girls you pick

right what are you what are you going to do and right now uh whether the people like it or not we would have been a lot better off in fighting and and getting our rights and trying to get our way in this country if Donald Trump wasn't in power. The things that have happened in the last eight months I've never seen before. Ever. And the United States is being pulled out of the world stage, right? We'll be our hour, our, and this was going to happen anyway. Tony talks about it all the time with a de-dollarization and world reserve currency and all

of that. All that stuff is going away. And we knew that. But what Donald Trump did is he put a rocket launch. to these things. Boom. And so now we may live to see it before it would have been a slow grind. And that's the difference.

With the slow grind, we give ourselves a better opportunity to push back, a better opportunity to set our children up to have a better life or to be able to push back against this stuff. So that's why we need to choose our battle strategy wisely and not have a blanket statement like, well, evil is evil. so it doesn't matter. No, we have a problem. And I need people to start realizing that. We have a problem. And our kids are going to feel it. Who knows what our kids' kids are going to inherit? I want to be able to set them up and set your kids up and all of America up to be able to

fight the battle on a different playing field on a higher playing field and be able to defend themselves better. than what we're getting right now. We have a serious, massive, massive problem. And if people don't snap out of it, and a lot of people have, and I'm very happy for those people. But if people don't snap out of it ASAP, I don't know what to say.

We're going the way of El Salvador. Buckele already, he has unlimited options to run for the presidency. There is no limit. He erased it. He did it. he says i can run for the presidency wherever i whenever i want bukele and el salvador yes our ally now that's the guy that donald trump looks up to victor orban already did this 10 times over that's the playbook that he keeps talking about it he keeps telling you so that's why this lesser of two

evils thing is is is a thing we need to figure it out asap but i think it depends on you know what what you think is the lesser evil because i mean i what angry tiger says is just kind of similar to what we hear all the time. Voting for the lesser two evils is still voting for evil. And the problem is that the people that support Trump, they believe he's the lesser two. You mentioned it before.

A lot of them would support him even if he was caught raping little kids. Because they think the other side is worse. Right. So that's the problem is that everybody believes it, but ultimately, I don't know what is worse or who is worse or anything. I just think Donald Trump is mostly a giant distraction.

I'm mostly mad at it that he has killed off any independent political movement because the next politician that runs on the original populist rhetoric that he used is going to be laughed off the stage. They talk about our horrible trade deals. They talk about bringing the troops home, stopping the senseless wars, building the infrastructure. They're going to laugh at them all. Who does that sound like? Trump.

You know, I think that was what this was designed to. So I'm just mad at that. I think this is all cosmetic because the people that, there are people out there that don't, live in the inner cities so they don't have to worry about it regardless and i don't know what they envision there but they just want it they just want law and order they want crackdown and so they're okay with people you know more people getting arrested for petty drug offenses or prostitution or whatever tony mentioned earlier about this you know not carrying guns there i don't know tony maybe is this is this don't trump's awkward way of trying to get people to to uh conceal carry in dc maybe

this is all about a second amendment crusade and he wants to put him in there maybe he'll harm all the people and what do you think i i think that that you're right on so many aspects of this don is and billy's right i mean you have to billy is the the thomas pain of america unplugged he's trying to give us common sense and always in the price of liberty is eternal vigilance this is something that billy's communicating you talked about al salvador and bukele and there always a threat of the entrenchment of centralization of power and people you know if you let things get bad enough if you cloward and pivot the country hard enough then people say well you know give me law and order you know uh you know give me the lockdowns i'm afraid you know if you inject enough fear

you know there's uh you know there's nothing there's something wrong with the border we need the wall now you keep us in i mean stuff like that i mean there you if you beg for it order out chaos, then you get it, right? Order out of chaos. And I think the bigger the chaos, the bigger the order. I happen to agree with Don, though, on the sense that this is a lame duck presidency at this point. And I don't know what that entails for us, you know, as far as the country's concerned, socially, I don't, you know, there's going to be, I think, some issues with the economy. It's why I've read this morning about the fight between Donald Trump and Jerome Powell about lowering interest rates and all that stuff that's going to entail in the middle of us still having massive fallout

from inflation. The debt to GDP ratio is almost at 130%, which were most economists believe there's a tipping point. So I think a lot of things on the horizon point to uncertainty, I do think that you have to be wary of any sort of lurching to the right. I just don't think that this is how it's going to play out. I do, and don't forget the election industry, Billy. The election industry counts on these elections to have every four years. I mean, they're going to start in two years. They'll start running for the next thing. It'll be, they'll already start having debates and primaries and all sorts like straw polls. And I mean, this is, this is an industry. It's a cottage industry. They have a

huge, you know, market share of all this stuff with, with elections. So somebody gets paid. What's that? Your vote counts. Go out. Your vote. Vote and vote often. Yeah.

Your vote counts. I do think that there's something, there's something to all this. And again, the, the aspect of problem reaction solution is, it overshadows all of this. We have to be very careful what we ask for. we um we are we are headed um down the road of authoritarianism at a hundred miles per hour um this dude decided to recklessly uh uh start an economic war with the world has no idea what he's doing with tariffs right he has uh ice he he's giving them the biggest budget and uh you know bigger government right we thought it was the party small government even bigger government

He added three trillion dollars to the deficit. He is kidnapping people off the streets and throwing them in vans. You know, he said he was going to take over Greenland and Canada. He is capitulating to Vladimir Putin at every turn. I've never seen anything like this, anything. And I think part of the problem, and this goes over to the mainstream too, is that they are acting like it is status quo. is chill everything is good you know no matter his mental decline is crazy no one no one seems to talk

about that everybody wants to talk about joe biden's mental decline still to this day here in the alternative media um we need to do something this isn't this this is like urgent care right you you had a heart attack we need to do something while the the procedure may not be um ideal for all your um for all your health needs, we need to save your life right now, right? And so things need to happen. And I'm sorry, people aren't going to like this, but it is what it is. You did not see Joe Biden do any of this stuff, any of it. You know, so I mean, when we start talking about, oh, what the lesser to evil is, sure, it's perception. But that's when the Democrat derangement syndrome kicks in. Because what Donald Trump is doing to this country might be irreparable. And he's taking us away from

being a democratic state literally it's he's trying to create a monarchy here he wants to run again in 2028 Steve bannon has said it several times over they're trying to steal the 2026 elections blatantly in front of your face and no one wants to talk about that you know so i mean we can we can keep thinking that there isn't a lesser two evils we could keep thinking that voting doesn't matter right because everything is rigged right every and and that's a part of the american paranoia um i'm paranoid in a different way i i i am of the cambridge analytical school they're rigging your mind they don't need to rig these elections they're rigging your mind i'll take my chances against kamala harris and and and joe bide and push back against them then what this guy has been

able to pull off in eight in seven months was it six seven months but he would he've been able to pull off. Many of you said that Project 2025 wasn't even a thing. Like, oh, that's crazy. You're nuts. Now it's being implemented. And we're like, oh, it's nothing. You know, it's nothing. So why was I crazy for believing about it back then? You know, and it's more than 50% accomplished right now. They want to turn America into sectors run by CEOs. And on top of that, they want to turn it into a theocracy, we will be no better than the people that we've been taught to hate in the Middle East. That's what's happening here. And while a lot of you may subscribe to the things that are going on because you're a Christian nationalist or you hate the left so much

that you want to see it gone, eventually they're coming for you. I feel like I'm screaming into the wilderness sometimes, but they're coming for you. Well, I just, I would argue, first of all, that I don't know what Trump has actually done. I think I think you're reacting again. Then you're not paying attention done. You're not banking. I am. I'd like to eat in the streets. There's footage of people in the streets.

There's footage of people in, of the troops in Washington, D.C. Right now, there's footage of them. They set up checkpoints and all sorts of stuff over there. It's happening. Well, they've done that before. Giuliani did that in New York. I mean, those are horrible things. 9-11.

Right, right. What about this precedence for it? But my point is mostly, you mentioned about Greenland and Canada, what happened to that? Trump, that's just, that's Trumpinstein. He talks about something. It doesn't matter. What happened to the Panama Canal? What happened to that?

I guess maybe he did, did he really name it the Gulf of America? I mean, it's stupid stuff, but he treated all that. He's like, the Trump andstein project, he's like a little kid. He goes on to the next thing that distracts him. now he's distracted some with supposedly doing whatever he's doing in dc and i suspect that'll blow over in a week too and that this is true it's nothing ever really happens to change other than the fact that people and there's millions of people like you that are just so incensed at anything he says and does and people i i just i'm not moved either right by i'm i'm disappointed in it

because i just roll my eyes oh here we go again he's you know he's but he never ultimately does anything. With all the respect, I got to go in an hour anyway. You could have the rest of it. I got to go in a couple of minutes. With all due respect, I see it. It happens out here. This is real life to me. While it may not be real life to you, I see the ICE agents out here. I see it, right? I see the hate. I also see the Trump banners waving not too far away from here. These are real things that are happening. Sure, he hasn't executed on Canada. And that's a good thing. We should be happy about that. Sure he hasn't gone after the Panama Canal yet. He has three and a half years to do this, right? But a lot of things that we were saying, oh, it's not going to happen. It's not

going to happen in particular on immigration. It is happening. It has happened. And he is fueling even more money. Forgiving student debt. Where's the outrage on the right? Where's the outrage? Because when when Biden was trying to do it, oh my God, I'm not paying for your debt. But now he's forgiving student debt to join ICE, to join ICE. What do you think they're doing? They're building concentration camps. Do you think that's not real? There's a concentration camp down in Florida, alligator Alcatraz.

These are real things that happen. So while some of these things will not be carried out and Trump just says a lot of nonsense, he's from New York, he talks about like whatever, plus he's losing his mind. There are some things that they are actually doing. They're actually carrying out. There's actual policy that is affecting our pockets done. these tariffs are real they're not fake also they're affecting our pockets you're gonna get worse inflation the tariffs the last I mean I don't trust anything didn't they do that Tony where they claim the tariffs have now had a sudden positive impact I don't know how but that's what they claim a lot of them that's the latest yeah if they've even been implemented that's the latest economic news that they're claiming Trump's tariffs are finally having a positive effect I don't know how that could even be because we don't have any domestic industry but that's the last I heard well he also fired the head statistician right because they didn't come out with the numbers that

they wanted so he fired them so he's going to say they're going to everything is great he says the economy's great he says that he says everybody loves it everybody loves the tariffs that's why that's why they want me to run again in 2028 this is what he's saying this guy is as unhinged more unhinged than any other president i've seen in my life and i never voted for any of them i i didn't subscribe to them why would I subscribe to him who is 10 levels above them in corruption well guys are a freaking mobster you guys talk about Richard Nixon the connections between Richard Nixon and Donald Trump are incredible Roger Stone and Roy Cohn intimately involved in what and what Richard Nixon did so there are a lot of parallels there that are most disgraced

president to Donald Trump I mean this is what's going on listen I can only come on in and and give my peace about these things. If people want to say that these things aren't happening, I can't help you until they actually happen to you. And that's what I'm trying to say. Things are actually happening. They may not be happening in Greenwich, Connecticut. Right?

Things may be all nice in Greenwich, Connecticut. But eventually, it'll get there when this is a full-on authoritarian state. We are flirting with this. We're supposed to be. And one more thing before I get out of here. Shame on the freaking alternative. media shame on the truth movement you've been trained for this moment to see tyranny happen you've been trained for it and now when it's here you're apologizing for it oh no it's not happening oh no

it's fake oh no it's this well i guess all of that crap that we learned it with alex jones was was was complete nonsense right i mean most of it was but this it's here tyranny's here the new world order is here and what are you doing where are my gun rights people We need guns in order to protect against the tyranny, protect against the government. I'm not saying that you should go out there and do anything with those guns. I don't own a gun, right? I'm not anti-gun, but I don't own one. I don't want to have anything to do with them, right?

But where the hell are you? You're sitting back picking your asses and cleaning your guns while tyranny's taking place. The truth movement, largely, 99% of it was nonsense. We've all been kind. We need to recognize that and move forward. Tony, love you. Love you, too, brother. for being here. Mr. Edison, good to see you, buddy. Oh, hey, Billy. How are you doing? How you doing?

Hey, you had me at more guns. Later, buddy. Oh, my God. It's like stepping into the city hall. I was raising my hands. Like, yeah, preach. Yes. Get up, Billy. Later, buddy. Nice seeing you, Billy. All right, though. I'm trying to get out of here. Trust me. Gotcha, brother. Mr. Anderson, let me see if I can edit your mic a little bit. we got uh do you have your regular mic or where are you right now you're deep within the earth surface uh somewhere outside of uh Taiwan and a different time zone and different parallel universe yeah but same parallel universe okay well you sound you sound good okay

all right uh well don do you want to stick around mr anderson's here and we're going to talk about a little bit of news in the space program and um some of the things around that if you want me to i just got to go right back i'll be right back okay if you want me to sure yeah i'd love love for you too if you want to stick around okay be right back well thanks for for being here mr anderson i appreciate you doing this last minute i was looking at stories yesterday for my show and i didn't get to it but i'd covered this the week before i want to pull this up first um let me get to this one way I sent you yesterday, but there's been a lot,

there's some weird movement in the space programs. And of course, the, the moon is another target for building something. Again, this is what they always throw out. I wanted to get your take on how much of this was actually real. I don't know if I buy any of it anymore. Let me see if I can find the article on it. it's uh it's been one of those more yeah one of one of the articles had a concept drawing and it it showed some structures and they look like the monolith that doesn't want to space

that's what i was thinking yeah let me find it bro um hold on i may have to email it to myself well you've got the article there but the one i sent you from natural news is the one what i wanted to lead with i'm not to email it to myself it's funny it must have gotten taken down or something so it is it's an article that uh talked about putting a nuclear reactor on the moon and i've read this last week on my show but they've accelerated the program and i wanted to get your take on that as you know a man a man of science that you are sir It looked like they were taking proposals for the idea, and it all ties into the Artemis mission to go back to the moon, which I guess was accelerated by the fact that China's going,

India, you know, a lot of other countries. So one of the problems, I think, with generating energy on the moon, if you're going to create a base, is it's difficult to use solar energy because one lunar day, shakes out to be about four weeks on Earth. So there would be extended periods of time where you didn't have any light. So that's where this concept of using nuclear reactors, and they're not even that big, I think, in hindsight, it's relatively small. I was reading that onshore wind turbine to generate somewhere two to three megawatts. And this was beneath that. But it seems like more than anything else, it's kind of a land grab. Because if you start creating these

areas that have nuclear reactors, you can create parameters that are like keepout zones. So I've got bad news for them because years ago, I bought an acre on the moon. I have my certificate. They try to go there. I'm going to march up to D.C. show them my title. But yeah, I see that. You pulled it up now. Yeah, I was able to get it. It's NASA accelerates the moon base plans with a 100 kilowatt nuclear reactor to outpace China. And I, and I, everybody's going to be screaming in the chat.

We never went to the bow. I'm like, everything's a square. I know. And I'm, I'm, let me do the article first. This was the, the, the purpose of bringing Mr. Anderson on, who is. is possibly one of the smartest people I've ever known in my entire life. And as a background in, let's just say, the sciences, ladies and Jen, somebody I trust to, when I see something like a theoretical algorithm,

or something complicated, I'm like, hey, what is that? Because I don't know. He knows. And it's how he makes his living in another dimension. Thank you for jumping timelines, too. I appreciate that. That's tough for him to do. And to put this into perspective,

so you mentioned the title of the article, 100 kilowatt, so a kilowatt would be 10 to the third power. When I was talking about megawatts, that's 10 to the 6. So again, onshore wind turbines generate 10 to 3 megawatts. So this isn't a whole lot of energy.

But I think it has to do with setting up perimeters and grabbing some land and not being last to the race, which I don't even understand when I conceptualize this in my head, us being the first ones to land on the moon in 69, it's like running a marathon where the last quarter mile you decide to walk until everyone catches up. Like, why would you ever do that? I know. It makes no sense. And, you know, having to bum rides with Russia to the international space station. And it's all crazy to me. I don't understand the motivation for just taking such a relaxed position the last few decades with this.

Well, that's the question. And if you go and you, like, if you go in program and look into AI and you asked AI about, why haven't we been back to the moon if you've ever. really done that and said it will give you kind of the same conversations that you and i have like well it makes no uh makes no sense actually that we haven't that we went so many times from 1969 to 1972 in december 70 years last time we went and uh i've said often i've got to spend an afternoon with with jean sarnan the last man to walk on the moon and had some interesting conversation with him back and forth is really nice man i met another uh

one of the Apollo astronauts through my friendship with Congressman Ralph Hall. I was always interested in the Apollo missions. And, you know, that was, you know, this was 2014 that I was meeting with these gentlemen. And you, you fast forward all this, you know, again, 11 years later, we still haven't gone back to the moon. We always say we're going to. It's always, you know, like the next year or the next race or the next thing. and the next project. So I'm bringing this up because it's another flurry of headlines that come,

I think, in the wake of the Epstein, you know, debacle of why are we still talking about Epstein when people really wanted to talk about Epstein? And this is part of the crescendo of that. It may not be related, but I happen to think that it is. But the key points of this that they're floating, so this is 20, We're in August 15th, 2025, so we can always go back and reference this because, you know, they've said these similar timelines over and over and over again. This is NASA plans to establish a permanent moon base by deploying 100 kilowatt nuclear reactor by 2030, accelerating its Artemis program.

The Lunar South Pole, rich in water ice is the target for fuel production, life support, and future Mars missions with the U.S. aiming to beat China there. nuclear energy is critical due to moves long nights making solar power unreliable the reactor would be assembled on site to avoid launching radioactive material well i mean it's sounds interesting it's and you're saying you know it's it's not a it's not a lot of power but it'd be enough right and of course you got to haul it up there it's kind of you know you know know if you're a betting man uh don jeffreys do you see um the nuclear reactor on the moon in 2030 i don't know that anything's on the moon tony you know you know i've had i've had uh bark brawl over a couple times and you know the guy who know astroft's gone wild so i'm i'm

very dubious and anybody out there that's on the fence about it i would suggest they read the late great dade mcgallan's wagging to moon doggy serious which i think he just you know it's just technology doesn't go backwards and that's what we have to believe here that we could do something in 1969 that we can't do now and they tell you they can't do it now they claim they lost the technology just like they lost the original apollo video of the i mean the most important video probably taken in the history of the world oh well i don't know what happened to it it lost it must have erased it with the super bowl or something that i mean what happened with that and so i think that people

NASA, just like everything else, now we know NASA was founded largely by Operation Paperclip and Furnarvon Braun, you know, and people found it originally. And you had the Apollo, I can't remember what number it was, but Gus Grissom was supposed to be, originally the first man to walk on the moon.

He was the senior member of the Apollo program, Virgil Gus Grism. And he was on the launch pad, two other astronauts and they burned to death very suspiciously and he had been a critic you know he hung a lemon on one of the rockets and said you know this this is a lemon we're never going to get to the moon this is a joke and that's what he's saying privately and then a decades later fox news of all people had a very interesting documentary uh called we never went to the moon or something like that or conspiracy theory something and uh they interviewed his widow and his son and apparently they for years they had been taught openly saying that NASA killed him. Now, you talk about a news story, where we're 60 minutes. I mean, whether it's true or not, that's an incredible allegation. So I'm very dubious of all this.

I think that, you know, for the space station, you guys mentioned that. I mean, the space station has never approached space. It's nowhere near. So why they call it the space station? I don't know. It's not in space. It's not like the Justice League up there where it's some kind of cool thing up there. It's, and when the few years ago, when the space, when it,

It came within the, I don't know, not that close to the Van Allen radiation belts. They panicked and they pulled back and, oh, you know, this could create terrible damage to the astronauts. Well, we supposedly went through the Van Allen radiation belts, what, six times or whatever, of the way to the moon back then. So how do we do it then? And if you've been, as I have, I live in the Washington, D.C. suburbs. So I've been to the Smithsonian. I think they have where you can actually walk in the ridiculous little, you know,

contraption that they claim went to the moon and it's so unimpressive looking i mean it literally has i think it's something like four inches of aluminum foil and that's what supposedly protected them from the radiation and the space rocks and all that stuff i don't know maybe there's some really strong aluminum foil i've used myself in space to protect so yeah i find it hard to be and then If you want to know, like, for instance, it got so ridiculous to the end, I think the last, when they had a moon buggy up there, when they, so they have people like McGowan that asked them, well, wait a minute, you've accounted for every, supposedly every pound that's on that spacecraft, you know, so I don't know how they factored in the moon rocks that they would bring back, that they somehow know exactly what they would weigh, I don't know. But that's what they supposedly did. But when they had that mood buggy, you know, running or driving run, some critics, you know, later asked, well, wait a minute, how did you fit that in there? That's a pretty big contraction.

What did that fit? They actually said, oh, well, it's folding up, you know, like on the Jensen's. So they claim they had a vehicle that folded up like George Jensen had when he went to work. So my question would be, okay, we had that technology in 1973. What happened to it? Why aren't we all walking around with suitcase cars and, you know, folding him up and talk about, would that be great in terms of parking? What happened to that technology?

But nobody asked us, it's like everything else. And people want to believe, and it was a, it's a patriotic thing. You know, we went to the moon and, oh, you're just poo-pooing. You're trying to, you know, poo-poo the accomplishments. I just say, it doesn't work like that. Like Dave McGowan asked before he died very suspiciously and very young, you know, he said, you know, okay, when the 50th anniversary has already come and gone, you know, people, not many people, boom, we went to the moon 50 years ago. The space age was the 1960s.

So, but going by the arc of technology, we should have had man missions to Mars and Venus at least by now. And I think that's what the original goal was back of the day. Instead, we have to be satisfied for, you know, the other day they ran some more pictures of Mars. And they said something like, Mars looks amazingly like the desert. So it does. That's why I bring this up is. You know, they're floating, and this wasn't the only headline. Let me pull up another one.

This was something else that was floated just within about 48 hours of the story of the nuclear reactor on the moon. Let me put this. This is zero hedge. Well, I was going to comment on one thing, too, Tony. I mean, that point is a good point, and it's often brought up, which is, looks like innovation has been stifled the last few decades. And it has. I mean, just look recently this past year, if you take the fraction of people who still work at NASA presently, who did in 2024, it's gone down by like 20%. I mean, like I said, we've been, you know, bumming Uber rides to the space station from Russia for years.

I mean, you can't have innovation if you don't, if you don't financially support people to do basic research. And there was a really good documentary I saw. I think it was 2008. It was called the atom smashers. And it highlighted the things that people who worked at Fermilab were going through. So Fermilab was named after Enrico Fermi, who was one of the big players during the Manhattan Project. And he was a renowned physicist.

And so there was a particle accelerator called Fermilab on the outskirts of Chicago. And so this documentary was just about them pushing back against the politics, where each and every year, their money for basic research was reduced. And at the end of the documentary, they were saying, I guess we're going to move to Switzerland because nobody in America wants to pay for this. And in Texas, this was experienced firsthand. You know, where CERN is, that was supposed to be in Texas, until a bunch of Texas politicians say,

he's going to generate a tiny black hole and suck up the world. It's like, oh, now it's just going to do that in Switzerland. And when you want to have some fun and generate some revenue and do science beforehand, but this is across the board a problem. And sorry, I just wanted to interject. No, I love that. It's both, you know, like we, where would you say, Mr. Anderson? We've had the increase in technology.

I mean, obviously in some of the, you know, software and some of the computational things that we have today, imaging. We definitely had leaps in that, but other things have stifled. Oh, yeah, absolutely. But stifling happens. I mean, look at the break between Einstein and Newtonian classical mechanics. That was a long time before Einstein came along and said, no, your theories and gravity are mostly right, but they're a little wrong in these cases. But overall, it's true.

I mean, where has there been ground made up? I mean, there's a law called Moore's Law, which really, isn't a law. It's more of an observation that seems to be held true, which is, you know, every one and a half years, the computational power doubles. So we've gotten better at fabricating smaller and smaller things or the building blocks of computers, transistors, and putting them closer together. And, you know, after the first Ruby Laser was invented, there's been a lot of ground and technological advancements powered by the laser. Right. And right now, there's a big upkick in quantum computing and things like that. And I won't go into the reasons why. But we haven't

seen like anything that's crazy. I mean, if you look at people who've received the Nobel Prize in recent years, it's for work on different materials. Like there was a, there was one for the development of this material called gallium nitride. And why is that important? Well, it's because because that's what makes white LEDs or white in air quotes LEDs. They have this material gallium nitride that emits blue light, and then they put a phosphor coating on top of it, and what that phosphor coating does is partially absorbs the blue light, and then emits yellow light, and then you mix them together,

and you kind of get a whitish light. So, I mean, if you look at what people are giving Nobel Prizes for, it's not relativity, but here's a little known fact. Einstein didn't get a Nobel Prize for Special Relativity is the photoelectric effect. But you don't see these types of things right now, but that happens. I mean, if you just challenge yourself to look at historically when some of the huge advancements were, they're always kind of spaced out. But my point is we as a country are no longer funding it.

There's no initiative to fund basic science research. And in that documentary, you know, of politicians we're visiting Fermilab asking the scientists, well, why is this important? And the scientist's response is, I can't tell you now, but I'll tell you 10 years from now why it was important. But we're not investing in that way. It's a good point. And that's the mystery that surrounds all of this. I mean, and you and I have had many conversations. We've done some paratroothers on, by the way, if you like the line, of logic for Mr. Anderson. You can find

him on the Paratruth or podcast, anywhere if podcasts are served. He's my co-host over there, and we've had some great episodes where we really go into, he's got a science background, but we go into the metaphysical and the esoteric and other things. And I just

hang a question mark over. I'm fascinated with the space program, the history of that, how much of it was real, how much of it was faked. And like I mentioning earlier, if you interface and you talk to AI and you feed it scenarios, it comes back with like there is no logical explanation for why we didn't go back to the moon.

Because all the arguments are false, like we didn't have the money. Well, that's not true. We spent trillions and trillions and trillions and trillions of dollars looking for people in caves, supposedly, you know, overturning, defiling civilizations and, you know, the warfare, welfare state is bigger than it's ever been we're you know uh the the debt of the u s i just read earlier today in 1971 was 370 billion uh we'd already supposedly gone to the moon many times uh the debt of the us now is 37 trillion so i don't buy any of that the arguments there fall flat um the other explanations are things like we did go and we were told not to go back we found structures there something happened

You know, and those who believe that nothing is real and that the earth is a pancake and, you know, that we're, uh, everything is a holographic projection and governments aren't real. All the things that the nuclear weapons aren't real. All that stuff that you get into is, um, yeah, I, I don't know. I just love that. You remember that interview with, excuse me, Buzz Aldrin? He's like on some morning show. And he just goes off on a tangent. He's talking about the, the moon on Mars, one of the moons, Bobos. He's like, I don't live there because we've got to go there. See what that's about. See who put that man. And they're like, get him off the air. Get him off the air. Yeah.

That's true. And every once in a way, the funny thing about that and in, and Don has interviewed, Bart Sobrel, which is a fascinating interview. I think, Don, you've had Bart on twice, I think that I've produced. Yes, yes. Those are great shows. We need to rerun those or have Bart back on again soon. he's a great guest because he's he went around just uh trying to get apollo

asked for us to swear on the bible that they walked on the moon and i i don't buzz hit him that was the guy buzz hit him yes yes yes yeah buzz hit him and uh nobody else from what i understand did anybody else swear i don't think that they did i don't think anybody did then they had i think it was was it was an anchor mitchell it was one where he uh he was he was he fooled him at first and then when he realized what he was at he uh he kicked him in the butt like he literally kicked him out of the house and then when he was somehow his recording was so he heard his son say we should get the CIA to whack him or something is fascinating stuff you know and buzz i mean uh bart has talked in uh um i think was moon man it's the name of his book

that he put out but he describes being chased by you know i don't know presumably government agents or shadowy figures and uh very very interesting stuff but he's he's but he may be too big for me now i think he was on Joe Rogan and he's he's climbed up the ladder now. I don't know if he will acknowledge my existence anywhere. Well, I'll have to check with him. But yeah, he was, he's a fascinating guy. But I think we need to be dubious of everything because, and you know, this is why you have such a huge flat earth movement and things like that now that Tony

was alluding to because it's really a short jump from, you know, NASA faked all this to space itself is fake. I mean, that's, it's not once you establish in your mind that, well, they like. about all this definitely then you know there's no question about it and you know they probably at least gus gresden's family thinks they killed him because of it and there was a a family uh you know i i was again i was a pathfinder in this i heard about a book called we never went to the moon by wild bill casing back in the 80s i think he wrote it and um he you know he talked about there was a guy that testified before congress that uh about you know the impossibility of what they were

trying to do and how this is you know this could be dangerous they couldn't get what they were doing it doesn't didn't seem possible to him and he ended up his entire family was found dead in their car in the railroad tracks they got run over by a train after he testified so you know we see the same kind of things there that we see in so many other political things but i don't know it'd be interesting i've looked over in your chat and uh you know some people seem to uh i would imagine most of the, most of the conspiracy world probably thinks that we didn't go to the moon. And like Tony, he was a huge Apollo fan. You know, I knew, I mean, I knew all the astronauts' names and I remember being crushed.

For some, James Lovell who just died, I think it was 97. He was, you know, like in sports, I had to pick a favorite astronaut. Some reason I liked him the best. So I remember being crushed when he was the commander of Apollo 13, that, you know, they could, they, you know, they had to turn back. And again, that was one of the things he talked about is how, how do they factor in that? How did they factor in something like an emergency situation like that with that technology

where everything worked perfectly and they could turn around and abort the landing and everything? So it's there's a lot of questions to ask, but the main thing is that like Dave McGowan said, will people question if the 100th anniversary comes and we still have them back to the moon? Well, because they didn't question it on the 50th. I mean, it just doesn't work that way. It would be like if the Wright brothers, you know, flew their, did their little experiment. and there was a few flights in the 1910s and then that was it never again you have to question these things so i think that uh but as mr anister was saying that they don't even talk about this

anymore and i think they don't talk about it because they know they can't do it or they won't do it or whatever because it obviously makes sense i mean if they're if we're overcrowded here and all that you know we talked about if you read back and you know things written decades ago they talked to they dreamed about having you know colonies on the moon or colonies on mars before now and obviously that's not the case instead we have you know pictures of what looks like a desert that they claim is mars and they supposedly you know they we have the the the Hubble telescope you know that can you know give us these great vistas of the Milky Way and you know galaxies far away at great detail but somehow they can't point that of the moon you can't point that at the moon and just

You get a crusty clear close-up, the landing site, but haven't done it so far. Yeah, it's interesting because people often break into two factions of, you know, we either went or it was fake by Stanley Kubrick. And 2001 of Space Odyssey was kind of his primer for doing that. And I've always been like, devil's advocate, if I was in the same position and had the ability to dictate things, I would try to do both. I might just swing the astronauts around the moon and then have Stanley films and stuff. I would kind of hedge my bets. So I don't know what happened. I mean, some of the, I guess, and I'm putting this in quotes,

more convincing reasons to believe that we actually walked on the moon is there is a reflector there that there's a big observatory in Hawaii and they'll shoot out a laser ever so often to monitor how far back the moon is receding from us. because it's getting a little further away. Its orbit is elongating each year. And so that's kind of convincing, but it's not many photons, meaning particle was a light you get back. It's just a couple.

So is it a reflector? Or is it something on the moon itself, but a region they've gone? I really don't know. But it is awfully suspicious. We haven't gone back. I mean, maybe what gave us the motivation to do so the first time was the Soviets. And now, you know, China's been landing.

rovers there. I remember one of their rovers had a picture of the mystery hut because there's all this chatter about whether or not there's structures on the far side of the moon. And as Tony said, if we were told not to go back, I don't know, but it just doesn't make a lot of sense that you would achieve something that, you know, is one of the biggest achievements in human history. And they just say, oh, we're done with that. It's kind of like cloning with Dolly, 96. It's like, Oh, we cloned the sheep. Yeah, we're done with cloning now. Yeah, we're done.

Yeah. Max and T. Barrett in the chat is yelling at me to read the chat. Read the chat? He says. He's yelling at me a little now, too. He's yelling at me to read the chat. And he's talking about the secret space program, which is another aspect to all of this, which would make sense, you know, and you could get into the Catherine Austin-Fitz funnelings of, that she you know when she worked in the first bush administration i think she was part of commerce

where you know there was a or was she housing in urban development she was in something like that wasn't she done she was yeah yeah i think so monitor a lot of the great deal of the funds um and you know whether there was monies redirected or whatever that's a part of us going off the gold standard too where there is not an accounting of anything so they can just make stuff out of thin air a lot of that while still having the perception that the money is real so they can use it for things they may have built a lot of us a breakaway government breakaway civilization could have been any of those things yeah so i'm open to it and this is the other story i wanted to to bring up yeah good segue maybe all the rich people now can go up in outer space like alicia that's why i was just about to say like alicia this is uh this is the other story that was on the heel of the of that nuclear reactor. This is by the, this is on zero hedge, but from the, the, uh, epoch times. President Donald Trump signs an executive order on August 13th to erase regulations for the commercial space industry and enhance American greatness in space. The order directs

transportation secretary Sean Duffy to work on streamlining the license and permitting process for commercial launch and reentry vehicles to eliminate, outdated, redundant, or overly restrictive rules according to the White House. This is ensuring that the United States operators can effectively launch, conduct missions in space, and reenter United States airspace is critical to

economic growth, national security, and accomplishing federal space objectives. They have 120 days to implement this. And this is a big move in the realm of space. Some people think it's faking game according to the chat i know i'm getting yelled at i'm sure i'm getting yelled at in the chat or not being i can't see the chat what are they yelling at you don't want to know they don't like us join the club it's okay um but no i think i think so these are these are

interesting headlines and it's a good way to close out the third hour on the david night show on a friday i don't know if i'd pick you know it's not a regular newsday but there's a lot happening. I think this is part of whatever, you know, the institutional changeover that happens at the end of a, I think I've said the words forth turning about 50 times today. So those who are sick of me already. But, you know, every 80 years, you got that change. Last one was World War II, the end of World War II. You had the introduction of the atomic bomb that some people don't think is real. And, you know, you had the Bretton Woods Agreement and the new economic world order that happen those institutions are falling apart what's you recall the liberal new world order and all that

stuff it's being reshuffled on the grand chessboard space seems to be part of this equation and i'm fascinated with the questions of what happened to us you know um fascinated with the questions of the space program whether it's a secret one or not uh whether we went to the moon didn't go um i don't I don't know. It's interesting to see these headlines in this timeline, though. That's why I brought Mr. Henderson on. Well, speaking of timelines, can I throw something at you and Don? I'm curious about your thoughts on it. Yeah, hold on. I'm going to move out of the way. Have you all been keeping up any with the red heifers and the third temple construction over in Israel? Have you heard of any?

Yes, no, let's go over that. Do you have a link you can send me? You know what? You explain it. I'll find the story. Don, have you heard anything about that? I do not, no. It's the most bizarre thing.

Apparently, you know, if you read Numbers 19 in the Bible, it talks about the sacrifice of a perfect red heifer, which is a perfect red cow. Like, no blemishes. It couldn't work. It had to be a real lazy cow. And that's kind of how they ushered in the temple. And so they use the ashes to anoint themselves. But anyways, there's a Temple Institute, and they've been purchasing red heifers,

or they did a few years back from a rancher in Texas. And they also purchased some land. And there's a lot of commotion now because in July, they did a practice ritual sacrifice, not the real one. According to Jewish tradition, there's only been nine perfect red heifer sacrifices through the span of the first and second temple. is in the 10th is supposed to be the final one that ushers in the coming of the Messiah in the third temple.

But they're gearing up for it. And what drives me crazy is like the rancher who's providing the red heppers says he's an evangelical Christian. And actually, Mike Johnson was recently in the West Bank a couple weeks ago. And he was in the same area, the same town, Shiloh, that has these five red heifers. And I've heard Pete Hegseth talk about the construction of the third temple. everybody. And I'm like, how as an evangelical Christian can you usher in the third temple? I mean, did you not read the New Testament from beginning to end? But it all cuts back into these people are pre-millennial dispensationalists. They think if they force the construction of the third temple,

they're going to be whisked up into the sky before the bad stuff happens. And it's a whole apple pie ready to die, meet Jesus in the sky, sort of lie that that we always talk about, And it just, oh, it made me so furious, but they're all supporting it. And our government's supporting it. And it just got my, you know, the cranks in my brain going. And I go, is this why Gaza happened? Were they just trying to push out a bunch of Muslims to get them off the temple mouth so they can rebuild the temple? And it seems like that's what they're doing.

So I don't know. It seems like things are heating up, so to say, with the construction of the third temple. And I just would love Yale's thoughts on it. Well, as soon as you mentioned that, I looked over and I saw how many people were watching live, and it was 666. So, congratulations. We crossed that boundary. It was 666 people watching live. We were ushered in this conversation.

I think you're right, though. And I think, actually, this ties in well with our previous talk about space program and the greatness of what was the American nation. I think we've been hijacked politically. by these psychopaths, people that are, they may have degrees, they may have so-called educations, but these are, these people, these are some brainwashed psychopathic individuals who have climbed the ladder of power

and believe some insane things. And actually try, you talk about Mike Johnson and like the, you know, the Christian Zionism movement is insane. It's bloodthirsty. Um, it is, uh, I think devoid of Christian values. I mean, it's, it's idle worship. Uh, if you look at, um, you know, John Hagee's church down in San Antonio, people like flying Israeli flags inside the church. I mean, it's just like the whole, their raise on debt is a foreign nation state that was born in 19. Yes. That, that is their whole purpose. Uh, and they think that's America's purpose. And I when I was, you know, I was raised in the south and, and, uh, went to church there. That, that's, that's, that's what I was. That's, that's what I was. was told that my purpose was to support this foreign nation state which i think is a complete hijacking and bastardization of what uh the new testament is about what christ is and everything else and

it becomes politicized and gross and now we have i think you you mentioned this uh mr anderson with the fascination with the third temple and um what were you telling me that we were talking about The wall there is not even really the... The wall Trump cares about is not the wall. That's right. It cares about the Fort Antonio wall. I mean, as Christians, they'll go there and visit the wall. And I was like, did you not listen to what Jesus said?

Jesus said, not one stone will be left on another. It looks like a couple stones are left on top of each other here. But they don't care. And so I'm a Christian, but I reject creature of rapture. And it was popularized by that series when I was young. younger, the Left Behind series and everything. And I just think it's completely irresponsible. And it was popularized, as you and Don know, by someone named John Darby.

You want to know who attended John Darby's church as a young man? Alastair Crowe. He attracted good people in his church. And then Cyrus Schofield, a guy who's a deadbeat dad who went to jail for fraud. And this is because dispensationalism, I mean, it's just common. on the Bible. It's nothing that Jesus said. It's nothing that's prophetic in Daniel. They're just assuming

it. Everything I read in the Bible says otherwise, but it just yeah, it really drives me nuts Tony and Don. So I apologize for granting, but I saw that and couldn't believe it. That's fantastic. You know more than I did. I didn't know about Alistair crying

going there. I just didn't talk about the influence of the Schofield Bible and I was raised Catholic and I still consider myself a nominal Catholic. You know, there's stuff about the raptures for it. I mean, I first started saying, you know, dispensationalism. I first started seeing this in the 1970s, what people used to call Jesus freaks, and that they would suddenly discover Jesus and born againers.

I don't know how many Christians are left in America that aren't influenced by this evangelical stuff. And I think that's why you have the popularity of Israel. because if you take away the Christian Zion element who have convinced themselves that it's to go, to criticize Israel is to go against God. So if you, you know, and that's what they believe. So any, and they want World War III. It's, you know, it's hard to find peace.

When you have people that want it, they think it fulfills biblical prophecies that you have to have an Armaged in the last days and all the stuff they think is going to happen by reading the book of Revelation. And get for Catholics like me, it's like, you know, this is all full. to me. And I think it's foreign to any traditional Christian, but all that, we're talking about

Schofield and Darby and all that. That's not much more than a century old, probably. So what was that before that? So every Christian that lived before that did not, you know, had no idea that, let alone a belief in it. And I would like to know how many Christians you would have in America if you didn't have the evangelicals. Not very many. They have taken over Christianity, especially with preachers. like Hagey and people, Tony mentioned. And although that's the evangelical movie, you don't have any people that are non-evangelicals

that are talking on TV that have flocks and get a lot of money and all this is really unbiblical stuff to make, you know, the Joel Osteins and people like that that make sinful amounts of money. And it goes very much against biblical teaching. And it's a shame. But the Christian Zionists are in many ways, dangerous, you know, than people in Israel that support this stuff because they enable it to

happen. And we've got, I guess I've kind of gone into a diatribe, one of my typical diatribes against Israel. But, you know, not many people criticize, but again, the Trump administration you're looking at, you mentioned Mike Johnson and people like that. That's, you know, any Christians that are in the Trump administration are going to be. Has Trump ever said Jesus is Lord? I challenge someone to find that. I tried to. He'll talk about God. I pray to God.

Well, that's, who is your God? I don't know. But I've never heard him say anything about Jesus's Lord. I think he said one time Jesus is more popular than me or something like that. A rare moment of humility. A rare moment. I'm going to say, I think it was Melania. I think, well, didn't Melania recite that the Lord?

words prayer once in public, which I thought was pretty cool. I mean, I forget what the context was, but I don't remember any other public official ever doing that where she recited the honor father. And I thought, wow, that's, I don't know what it meant, but I thought that was interesting. Yeah, and I'm not trying to attack Trump's convictions. I really don't know what he believes. I'm just saying, in general, what we're doing politically and what we're supporting. It makes no sense to me. And it's so difficult to reason with evangelical Christians, because I was kind of brought up that way. I was brought up Baptist, you know, fire and brimstone at church camp, things like that.

They just can't get rid of it. They can't kick it out of their mind saying, no, like, reinterpret this. And understand, I know we've been groomed a certain way and believed or brought up to believe in this preacher of rapture. But I don't think it happens. And it doesn't make any sense. Look what happened to Jesus. Listen to what Jesus said. A servant is in above his master.

Look what happened to the apostles and his disciples, okay? Every one of them, you think because you put $50 in the collection plate, you've reserved a better end result for yourself, like you're going to bypass all the bad things. And when you look at this new story, like this rancher, they're willfully and knowingly trying to usher it in. And then you think you're just going to be whisked up into the sky. It makes no sense. It's completely dangerous. and it's blasphemous.

There's no need for sacrifices after Jesus. He said, it is finished. And I know I'm being very, very Christian right now. I know David's a Christian too, and I'm not trying to go off on like a religious tangent, but it really bothers me because, you know, Tony, when you sent me those stories about space, we know ideas of what they've had for mass deceptions, right?

And one of them, you know, Reagan discussed about what would bring all the countries together more than anything else an existential crisis right and so i've always right i've always thought that can be part of the great deception so when we're talking about the uh building something like a space force and we're always being bombarded with oh this asteroid's going to get really close to us pretty soon and this right and so it's like they're building the narrative up And then to the side of that, you see what's going on actually in Israel with regard to Temple Mount and these red heifers and purchasing the land and practicing the ceremony. It just gets my, gets me perked up a little bit. It seems like something's ready.

I think it's good. I think it's good that it does. And we need to have those conversations. And this is what's wrong. I mean, we've got, there's the surface level, there's the press release, there's what's there you're supposed to believe, and then there's what's actually going on. I mean, you dig deep enough, and you'll find some disturbing facts about the, you know, the political establishment, the ruling class, whatever they believe in. It's not what you believe in, and you've got to be careful what you support. I've said from the beginning of this war in Gaza and the genocide and everything that's going on, I'm like, you got you got to wash your hand.

You've got to step away from this. You don't want this harmically on you. You know, as a Christian, as some, you know, we're supposed to, you know, reflexively support whatever, you know, post 9-11. I said, you've got to keep yourself distance from this thing because there's some evil in there. And that's, you know, again, that's the danger of where we've been in the last 90 days. You know, I talked about it in the first hour. Trump tweeting or sending out the message.

message for the people of Tehran to evacuate. Can we ever, I can't think of a parallel of another president even coming close to doing anything like that. So, you know, I think Billy would agree with me. That's a first. That's a first. And people said, well, at least he gave them advanced warning. And I was like, have you looked at how many people are in that city? How they're supposed to evacuate? Right. How are they supposed to evacuate all of them? It makes no sense, too. And then like tweeting out unconditional surrender and all this stuff. I mean, it's, we've, you know, you just have to be careful what, uh, what you believe in, what you, what you support and other things.

They're not, they're not of what, you know, if you follow Christ, if you're a Christian, if you follow that, um, the, the tenants of that, um, you know, you got to ask yourself, is this in line with what Christ would do? I just, I don't see it. Um, you can't convince me of it otherwise. There's a lot of mix in there. I think of the occult and other things that we have to be careful of, that it isn't our faith, isn't our cradle faith. Yeah, I think that, you know, this is, this brings up a lot of interesting points, but I think when we look at the, and I really, I think that because we know the people that, that, that this is a spiritual battle, and, you know, I'm sure you guys can both appreciate this and most of your audience, and I'm a Christian, I'm, I have great faith, and I think this is a spiritual.

battle. And we know the people that that are in charge are obviously no fans of Jesus. And I believe they're inspired by the dark force. And yet they tolerate this Christianity. But the Christianity they tolerate is this kind of, you know, insipid Zionist Christianity, which is inspired by all these things that I think are false and dangerous and definitely lead to the support of Zionist Israel. And I think that's why they're tolerated. And, you know, the Catholic Church used to have a lot more power in America. You don't see, what was the guy's name? There was a guy when I was young.

Even into a young adulthood, Catholic League of Decency was in the Catholic League of Decency. The Catholic League of Deaccy had a lot of power in this country. I don't think they exist anymore. And that guy that was their figurehead has been long gone. He used to be talking. He used to be on TV a lot. And you don't have any Catholics to do that now. You used to have Catholic priests leading crew life marches.

I don't see any pro-life marches. And why don't you see any Christians marching to counteract the transgender agenda? Those transgender rallies, I'm so waiting for the first pastor or priest to leave their flock against them. They just, I don't know what they exist for. I really don't. You have the evangelicals that exist to make money for these super preachers, and they're very consumed with money. That's why, you know, my favorite biblical verse is the one where Jesus himself says it's easier for camel to go through the eye of a needle, the needle that I meant rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.

And I've never met a Christian who didn't go apoplectic with their needle. The eye of the needle, there was a little fuel in the middle of all the stuff they try to justify it. Because they obviously, we all want to be wealthy. So this, that hits to the core, especially, you know, one of these televangel preachers, I mean, that are multi-millionaires. Obviously, they can't say that without choking, that verse. But it's, you know, it's, it's, it's about money to these people and it's, it's about Israel. And that's why Zionism is so powerful in this country.

They prop it up, Pat, going back to Pat Robertson, you know, Pat Robertson had a lot of stuff about the New World Order, but he stayed away from Israel. There's a whole line of people like that. They just completely ignore that aspect of it. And you're seeing more and more of it now. And I don't know what's going to happen because there is no Christianity, really, at this point, that has any power. that is not either in the evangelical camp or what's left of the Catholic Church or the Episcopalians. I get the sense that none of those groups have that much power anymore. Maybe I'm wrong. I don't know what you guys think.

Yeah, they do have a lot of power. Tony knows this, but there's a pastor I like online. He discusses French topics. Like, an example would be, you know, Jesus was dead for three days. Where did he go? yet where did he go and he told the thief on the cross i tell you the truth today you'll be with me in paradise and you know that this pastor in particular talks about him going down the show or hell before his unjust um unjudged um unjudged hell or the bosom of abraham it's sometimes called

and rounding people up and so he touches on these french topics that never get discussed at least where i was brought up but uh i even wrote him one time saying you know peter says be very careful when you're a teacher that you can lead people Australia. And I always remind myself of that, even when I'm giving my opinion to friends or family. But I said, you're absolutely wrong about a pre-millennial or pre-trib rapture. And he felt the need. I upset him so much. He's like, most of the time during his sermon, I get nice letters. 90% of them are great. And inspire me and motivate me. He goes, but it's the 10% just got a big leg. better from Texas the other day.

And he called me ignorant, and it just made me laugh. But that's the position. They won't even, you can't even entice them with history. You know, you can't talk about the Balfour Declaration. He said, what's going on here? Like, I was raised to believe the reason Israel was established was because of the atrocities that happened during World War II. But no, the motion wasn't planned well before then.

In 1917, it was a deal that England made, right, with the Ross Childs. get America involved and we'll give you some land. Yes. And that's what happened. But they even see that and it's like, now think of everything that's associated with the Rothschilds. It's not good. It's not to inspire, convict people to become better Christians, right?

They're the antithesis of that, but they still discount it and they won't acknowledge it. It just falls on deaf ears and this happens to me all the time. But I like that. He called me ignorant. It's really upset him. no you're so right about that and a lot of people like history is a pack of lies agreed upon unfortunately where you have people thinking that you know the lusitania got us into war war one no it was post valfort declaration that's that was the the year of the zimmerman telegram and uh you know that was the that was the thing that pushed us into uh world war one and uh the lusitania was brought up after the fact that was may of nineteen 15 and was, you know, resurrected again because if you remember in 1916, Woodrow Wilson ran on the slogan, he kept us out of war. And that's the first thing he did as soon as he was sworn back in.

He's just ready to get us into it. And Alford Declaration had a lot to do with that. And the Zimmerman telegram, which was the German consulate supposedly telegramming the Mexican consulate, hey, if you just join us in the fight against America, you'll get the territory. back and you know that was an antagonistic and supposedly the consulate had ties to the house of ross child so all kinds of interesting history in the last three minutes of the david night show uh thank both of you gentlemen thank you mr anderson i know you're you're very busy schedule he wasn't even scheduled to do any shows or podcasts and i hit him up last minute and did come on so thank you for for being here sir well it's always a pleasure uh talking with you and

and Don. So thank you all for having me. Sorry for all the wild tangents, Don. Well, and you can find Mr. Anderson's work on Paratruther. Go to anywhere podcast or found, or you can go to my website, tony.orgold, and you can find Paratruther podcasts and links to Paratruther. And we're going to be working on some soon upcoming episodes with Mr. Anderson. And then I have to, have the legendary Donald Jeffries. Thanks for staying in a second hour, Don.

I appreciate you. My pleasure. It's great to be able to talk to the great 666 plus strong. I'm saying audience here. It's great. I was looking in the chat room and seeing some familiar names plus lots more. Listen later. Today on I protest at 5 p.m.

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