The David Knight Show - Fri Episode #2167: 12/26/2025 - Best Of Rebroadcast

Episode Date: December 26, 2025

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You know, for me growing up, Fabian was a teen idol. And I saw Fabian socialism as like, you know, what is that, you know? But actually, it's a famous Roman general. And the, and I guess Fabian's, um, uh, Fabian. parents were Italian, and I guess maybe that was the namesake, or they might have been a socialist, I don't know, but anyway, it is important to understand the distinction because they have very different tactics that they use to achieve the same totalitarian goals. So joining us now as Wayne Morrow, CEO of the John Versa Society.

Thank you for joining us, sir. Thank you, David. Appreciate being here. And, yeah, it's Fabian's much like the Council and Form Relations, very little known about people in their respective countries. It's sort of that secretive behind the scenes group. You know, that's part of the plan, you know.

And you mentioned, you told me, just as we were talking here, just before you came on, how you, there is also a book that the Giant Burr Society sells called the Fabian Freeway. Yes, exactly. A very in-depth book. Yeah. Yeah, it's a book we've written past and we republished it. We have

our own publishing company called the Western Islands. And the Fabian Freeway is a book about the genesis of the Fabian, and how impacted our even our U.S. policies and our foreign policies. It all ties together, but it's a real good book, and it's about 600 pages, so it's not a quick read, but it's in depth, and I think it's for people who are serious students about history, and what goes on today, surely I call we're the top of the puzzle box, you know, now we understand what goes on.

That's right. That's right. But talk a little bit about Fabian socialism. You know, what was it about that general that they liked, how does that tell us about their tactics? And how is it different from Marxism? Well, that's a good question. Well, anyway, the Genesis is, as you mentioned, Quintus Fabius Maximus, he was a Roman general, very slow moving. He was very, you know, quiet, but he was slow and forceful.

And much like the Fabians took his name, because that's the process they want. You know, their moniker originally was a wolf and sheep's clothing, and that didn't work over too well. I got that one out for a while. And they said, now we'll go switch to a turtle, right? I think the Republicans and Democrats could use that imagery as well. Instead of a donkey and an elephant, they could have a wolf and a sheep's clothing for both of them. They had to change their moniker because it wasn't going over well.

But, you know, if you go back to the genesis of it all, Cecil Rhodes and Lord Milner, were involved in forming this elite group. And George Bernard Shaw was certainly one of the members and the Webb, Sydney, Web and all. And, you know, they were very open about socialism. And, you know, the dispute they had between Marx and themselves was they wanted to believe in the more of the ethical, slow-moving educational route versus violence.

And so that was their goal. So, you know, they formed, you know, the London School of Economics. And out of that school, you know, they put in place various key legislators in government and even in institutions around the UK. And they knew that by influencing public policy, it didn't make any difference who was the elected official. because they were setting the policy. They do that today, as a matter of fact. Yeah, yeah.

And so George Bernard Shaw was, he was also very large on eugenics. Matter of fact, I don't have that video clip, but if you can listen to their audio clip, he talks about once every five years, this isn't this one, we'd have to stand up from this board to determine if we should be lived worthy of staying alive or not. He actually said that, you know. So he's going to go imagine that.

Just destroyed my appreciation of my fair life. lady, right? Can you imagine? You can listen to them. Don't believe me. You can look them up. You can listen to the video audio clip. It's amazing. And, you know, and so every prime minister, every Labor Party member of the UK is a, is a Fabian. And so the Fabian's goal is, is always has been, as we call it, socialism, but it's a slow-a-Marxism. And what they wanted to do is govern every aspect of your life and forced globalism. So as you see now today with Kier Starber, who by the way is a Fabian,

as well as the mayor of London, you're watching it happen, the country being destroyed. And I have podcasts with folks in London. And I tell them this is all to Q. This is exactly what the plan is to destroy their heritage, their history, to bring in usher in world government.

Now, when you say, what's all about, yes. Yes. When you say they're Fabians, is there still an organization that they belong as an active member, like somebody would belong to the John Burr Society? Absolutely right. So have the Fabian Society there. Yes.

Yeah. Tony Blair is a member of the Fabians, you know. Guard Carrier member, yeah. He's very active, by the way, you know, with the World Economic Forum. Interesting. But if you go online, you can look up the Fabian Society. They have organization in Australia. They're young Fabians, you know.

But they exist. I mean, they exist. today. And when I speak to the British, very few really understand the Fabians. Liz Trust. I met Liz Trust, a past prime minister. I was at a CEO conference. And I gave her my card and I said, I'll send you a copy of the Fabian Freeway. Now she's actively doing YouTube phenomena because they said, you never mentioned the Fabians, Liz. But, you know, I think she knew exactly what they were. But the whole thing was, David, back in Woodrow Wilson's day, when he actually worked with Colonel Mandel House, another globalist,

they formed this thing called the Inquiry. And the inquiry was a group of men where British and U.S., and they disguised how are we going to work together and kind of really conquer the world as far as the political agenda and then eventually total. And so that was the genesis of the Council and Foreign Relations. So the Council and Foreign Relations, which is House in New York City, they and the Fabians work together

as we speak today and setting governance and policy and they do that. Regardless what the elections look like, they're behind the scenes doing foreign policy. And that's why we always look at each other. Why doesn't everything change? Well, that's because behind the scenes

the same folks have been working the agenda. That's what's going on. And we have to bring the light to the UK people as well as the United States that this group, these groups are hard at work directing our foreign policy, but our future. And it's for world government. It's nothing to do with freedom.

And our job in the Birch Society is through education to make people aware of who they are so we know what to do. It's not mystical, it's not magical. It's not a beauty contest when you elect somebody. But we have to know the threats are real, and we see it today. Yes.

It sounds very much like Antonio Gramsie, the father of the Italian Communist Party's strategy, where he wanted to march through the institutions. How is it different than Gramsie's communism? And I mentioned Antonio Gramsie because Pete Buttigay is what I call him. Because he's very proud of that. But, you know, his father spent his entire career at Notre Dame. That was really his specialty, Antonio Gramsci.

And he had him go to Harvard where he studied under Sokvan. Berkovich, who was also very much a fan of Italian communism. He changed his name to honor Sacco and Venzetti. And so, you know, I've focused, I learned something about Antonio Gramsie because of Bouti Gay, but I also called him Bouti Marx because that's really where they're trying to take us. But again, it is a slow march through the institutions. And so what is the difference is that one of them was Italian and the other one was predominantly English and American, kind of Anglo? Yeah, well, Gramsky was involved as an Italian, he was from Sardinia, and he was, grew up in

that area of farm. He watched the farmer owners take advantage of the farmer workers. He actually has a book called, David, called the Gramsky Papers, prison papers, and that's about this thing I have behind me in my library. And it was written on toilet paper, by the way. And he passed it to his, you know what it was worth. He passed it to his sister. And it became the Grampsky, the prison papers.

And Gramsky was, you know, a threat to, you know, the Nazis in Germany. And that's why it was called the Frankfurt School. And Hitler tossed them out of the United States. They ended up in Clubby University. And so the goal then was then to indoctrinate and reduce the morality of young college students and shoved down their throat socialism and communism. So now we have the professors. from various institutions in the country,

about, you remember that, then the 60s, about the hippie moving all, that was all coming from the Frankfurt School through Columbia University, destroy. They knew they have, this is what Gramske said, David. I can't, we can't destroy the United States or Western societies. We talk to it economically.

That's hard. Yeah. We have to change them morally. Because if we could do that, we could destroy the morality, because that's the glue that holds them together, then we can destroy them. And that's the whole story with the Frankfurt School,

which ended up at Columbia University. If you think about it, where we are back in the 40s to where today, you could see the morality of the United States going the other direction. And that's all according to plan. And that's why they got so heavily involved in Hollywood in the entertainment business as well.

Absolutely correct. And that's what happened. So they knew that's exactly one of the key points that makes the United States, and Western civilization so strong as our moral behavior and our beliefs. So that's what we see today. But that's a difference between the two. And so they're Marxists, but they use that social element.

They said Karl Marx wasn't right. He thought economics was the only way. No, we're going to have to do the moral end of it. So they morphed it into another strategy. But it's all the same goal as stole slavery. And you can see that very much in what Stock van Berkovich focused on there at Harvard. everything for him was a product of Puritanism. And so we've got to overthrow this whole

the Puritan roots of America and we've got to attack it at its foundation. But he was really what he was trying to do was to attack the moral foundation of the country. That's why he focused on that so much. But everything he talked about was in terms of that. Well, this is because of the Mayflower and everything got to get rid of that.

But it is kind of interesting. And, of course, we see other approaches as well. You had people like Bill Ayers, okay. They decided that they would, they said, well, we've had class struggles over, you know, for Marxism and Europe. That's not going to work here. It's not working here that well. So let's go to a race struggle. So there's yet another approach that the communists have taken.

They've got so many different prongs to get all of them take us to the same hell, don't they? A lot of different roads. Yeah, we do the dirty work for them. We have, you know, class struggles, men against women. That's another big one right now. Children against their parents. Black versus white or tan. It's all about conflict and war.

That's their goal because they need that to enforce more rules and regulations of the government and less freedom. You guys can't play nice. Okay, well, we're going to incite that. And, you know, the Marxists knew that's one of the goals. And it's what written over a period of time. Lots of documentation on how that works. But that's the goal.

So they're playing to our frailties of humans. You know, rich versus poor, black versus white, tan versus white, Chinese, whatever. Doesn't make a difference because their endgame is world government. And they know that they can't have a lot of us. So we have to exterminate some. So I'll let those guys exterminate themselves. That's right. And that's what we see, you know.

And we're seeing that now in the UK as we start a conversation about the Fabians. As I talked to the folks in the UK, we're watching their country. And I used to live there at work there in Oxfordshire. So I know the country rather well. And I'm watching those folks being destroyed by the invaders on purpose. But they're doing the dirty work, destroying all their history. and inflict terror into those folks in Ireland as well as the UK

and they're concerned but I'm seeing a resurgence of the British citizen rising up it was about a month ago you recall in London they had people marching with the British flag it wasn't 200,000 David we had people that were there

and they said it was more like 3 million people were there and you'll see farmer trucks now marching into London with their tractors and they don't want to be slaves and i've talked enough europeans they don't want to be a part of the european ec any longer they're losing their sovereignty they love their history david and they really respect and when i travel throughout europe when i live there they really love their history and they love their heritage it's being destroyed systematically and it does not work one one thing i wanted i tell you which is interesting And I found out talking to several of the folks within, you know, past legislators, they tell me they get their news about the United States in two ways, CNN and the New York Times.

What does that tell you, dear? Yeah, yeah. They need to get some different sources. Yeah, you're going to see CNN. I go, what is that doing? You know, I'm in Hungary or I'm in Italy. I'm watching CNN. But that's how they look at the United States.

States. I said, well, that's totally upside down, you know. Yeah. Well, I had a friend who worked in the Pentagon and, you know, about 20 or 30 years ago. And when I talked to him, he said, yeah, CNN is playing on the screen all over the Pentagon, all the different rooms and everything. Oh, yeah. That's a, it's a, communist news network. That's right. It's, it's, it's very important that who you listen to. And, you know, I've always tried to listen to various sources. And I would go to the, I always preferred people who would tell me what they think and why they think it, rather than the people who try to be this mushy middle like time and newsweek. So I was always looking at the nation or national review or something like that.

Even though I don't support their views, I'd like to see that conflict that was there because a lot of times that would help me to understand where I stood on the issue. So I try to get these people that are opposed to each other. But most people just go for something like Time or Newsweek or CNN, and it's kind of the mushy middle that's put out there by the Mockingbird programs that are out there for people. But that's why it's very important for people to educate themselves. And that's a very important thing that you do at the John Burst Society. Tell us a little bit about the John Birch Society and how it's organized at local areas.

Yeah, thank you. We started 1958, and our goal is education. You know, education is really critical for us educating people about American values. Our job is limited government. You know, so people call us far right. That's not true. We're actually constitutional matters, some form of government, but not total. All the left is all the isms, clearly fascism, right?

And our job is to teach American-Americanism. It's not taught anymore. So we have free courses online, the JBS, that RG, about teaching about the Constitution. And we said, how do you elect constitutional matter representative, state, local, or federal, if you don't know the playbook? So how do you hold them accountable? And it's not taught on purpose. So now it becomes a personality contest.

We don't want that. So we teach people Americanism. And we give them the history. And we show them who's behind the curtain. Like we mentioned the Fabians and the CFR and who's forming foreign policy. And once people know what goes on, that's important. We call it a conspiracy. It's not theory any longer.

But the conspiracy says this. The first goal is to deny its existence. Of course. So we said, look, let's expose them. It's not us. That's why I have a thousand books behind me. Is that over the course of time, it proves that they does exist, and they actually come out and talk about it.

It's interesting. As we look through time and look through history, I always go back to my UK experience where Otis Huxley was a Fabian. I'll go back to that for a second, to answer your question. And what happened is he was writing, this guy was a young author writing all the information about what he heard, and he was so excited about it. it, that he decided to write a book. And he said, I can't use my pen name. My name is Eric Blair.

I can't use that. I have to use a pen name, so I think my name is George and Orwell. George Orwell is really the Eric Blair, and he wrote 1984 about the Fabians. The question becomes, is why is it in 1984? Well, January 4th of 1884 is the foundation of the Fabians. And they said, within 100 years, we have world government. That's why that book's titled 1984. Oh, interesting. I'd heard people say because he wrote it in 1948, but yeah, it's a 100th anniversary. I don't believe that because he was indoctinated by H.G. Wells and Alex Huxley about, when he writes about Big Brother, Newspeak, that's all about the Fabians.

And now that Sid Vogue, I'm saying, hey, look, that wasn't done as a science fiction. That was really his telling you, and he couldn't, you know, hold himself. he said, I have to really talk about this. That's why it's, and I believe, I personally believe that's why it's in 1884. It's 100 years of existence. And, of course, I mentioned the Council of Formal Relations is a child of the Fabians,

and now we have an American version, and we have, you know, the European version, work in unison. So our job is in Birch Society is educate people what's going on to be personally responsible to elect constitutional moderates and constitutional-minded representatives, state, local, and federal,

So we can monitor not only our behavior, but go back to constitutional-based law and not rule by elitists. And that's what we see today. Yeah. And so, you know, and it's important for people to understand how many different ways they come at us in order to set up a totalitarian government. They have so many different tactics and strategies. And, of course, one of those, I think that you're talking about Aldous Huxley and

others like that, H.G. Wells and Huxley, the, the tech. that was there. I mean, talk a little bit about technocracy as well. That's really kind of coming to us. People don't really know where to fit that, you know, because it doesn't really fit into the left, right paradigm. And yet that seems to be on the ascendancy as well. Talk a little bit about that. Well, you know, the story about technology. You know, but X have a fellow used to be a member of the birth site was a, where's the CIA? He said, smile a lot because your picture gets taken about 300 times a day. That's right. More than that now, I guess. Yeah, you go, bang. grocery store, going to get gas. But technocracy is a tool for monitoring and governance. And that's why you see AI data centers and all every little thing that you've done. And they openly said this in the Bank of International Settlements. They want to have this digital currency where they can monitor any of your expenditures from $100 on up.

So they could determine my check in China if you have a bad social score, then you're not going to buy anything. So if you think about technology is going to be their weapon or tool to keep you in line, that's where I see it happening. And they're doing it through a lot of different angles. It looks kind of cool, but that's really the goal. One of the things I began the program with today was talking about the fact that, you know, I mentioned all the time about how artificial intelligence is really going to be a superpower for any kind of government tyranny, to be able to monitor you and everything that you're doing as you're just talking about, but also to manipulate opinion as well.

And that's why it's very concerning to me to see that this latest executive order from Trump that essentially presumes to prohibit any state laws that would curb things that are happening with AI companies. Because I think what where that would really happen would be with the data centers. I think it's where the big conflict is going to come. Very true. And, you know, that is the bottleneck for them. And that would be one of the ways that you could limit them.

to buy a little bit of time to try to get some control of the situation or structure to keep some of these things at bay. But, again, to prohibit that at the federal level, and that is in direct conflict with the 10th Amendment. And, of course, the Democrats will tell you that now because they're not in power. But as soon as they get in power, they don't care about the 10th Amendment either. But it is really a real concern about this concentration of power. and the, you know, the destruction of the 10th Amendment.

And, of course, the enforcement mechanism that it's going to run through is going to be to use financial carrots and sticks for people coming out of the federal government. That's the way they always get around the 10th Amendment, isn't it? Absolutely correct. Yes, the technocracy, that's exactly what we call technocracy. The techno bureaucrats. That's what they use that technology, as I call it, digital prison. That's basically where you're looking at.

And that's kind of where we're at. And that's what they're setting up digital prison. So you can't go anywhere and do anything within your 15-minute city, whatever you want to be, to monitor where you are. So you lose all your freedoms. They're constantly coming up with different justifications to take us to the same kind of Orwellian hell that they want to set up. And that's why, you know, when you look at the Chinese communist, many times I'd look at them and say, okay, so are they really communist anymore?

Or are they fascist? Because they've kind of merged economics and politics to, great extent there and it's highly nationalistic and all the rest of these other things so it's important to understand all these different strains but then to not get boxed in by any of them to understand these people mix and match they'll take whatever they can use many these different strategies and you know when you look at them if you were to construct a Venn diagram it seems like they're all starting to reach convergence instead of one little point of overlap doesn't it yeah exactly well you know communism is just a tool it's that's all it's a tool for global governance

It's not the be all end all, just like any other religious things that we see on. It's got nothing to do with at all. Matter of fact, the men who are globalists are not communist. That's a tool. They're not fascists, but they use that mentality. But it's all the tool for world government. It's all going to come through the United Nations.

And you see the UN. That's the center point of it all. And we have a magazine called The New American. And matter of fact, we're actually launching it in there called the New European. And I can show you this. Oh, good. Yeah.

Matt here, David, these are little bubble diagrams. If you can see this all, these are all the U.N. offices in the world. They're not just one location in, you know, the East River in Brussels. Yeah, yeah. And what are these people doing all these locations? Well, you're on the menu. That's what's going on. So you can imagine all those, you know, it's all over the United States.

So I'd be happy to send this to you at a New America magazine. We have this one called the Global Power Grab. We did this one. And it talks, and I show this around the Australians and the New Zealand's and the UK folks and the lady in France. They were totally amazed the depth of the United Nations, all these offices all over the world. Yes. And they're busy carving up the world for global governance. So that's our part of our job of the birth site, expose what's happening through education and making it away.

It's not too late because it's more of us than them. and they know that our job, their job is to keep us off a message and looking at sports figures or Hollywood or this or that. The same time, they're destroying our foundational principles of freedom. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, I've had Alex Newman on many times. I've talked to Alex and a great guy there at The New American. And I've had other people as well from the New American.

It's a great publication. And as you point out with that map, and you see all the different areas where they have areas of responsibility, in actual physical locations and everything. I think that's a key thing for people understand is that it's not necessarily going to be, as you point out, in Brussels, when you say, well, there's the seat of government or whatever, or the East River in New York. It really is not so much about that.

It's about global governance. It's about this network of different organizations that are out there. And that's one of the things that I see about technocracy is really that not just, you know, the electronic networking that's out there, but actually the political networking that. is there and the interlocking of these different financial interests that are out there so they can all have their own goals and things but it is all pushing us towards this global governance and and the technology is really giving them power that they've never had before that's the key thing that's really concerning me so we saw that with covid 19 was a good yes data set beta test for them

how you had the whole world under control i'm sure they were absolutely laughing in amaze how easy it was, I make that happen. I know. I was absolutely astounded how easy it was for them as well. And again, I think, you know, you look at the stimulus checks and all the rest of this stuff. That was training wheels for universal basic income, which was something that Elon Musk has always been focused on when you had Andrew Yang come out, said he was going to run for president, and that was going to be his issue, the main issue. He branched out and some other things later on. But as soon as he came out and said universal basic income, Elon Musk candid him a million dollars. You know, he wanted him to push that idea.

Well, it got pushed really big in 2020, didn't it? Well, that's all part of the program, universal income through the UN. Of course it is. The whole job, they want you to be industrious. They want you to be collective, not individualists. And we fight collectivism. We believe in individualism, not collectivism.

That's all part of the rule, you know. There's a cult, the herd mentality. And that's exactly what they need to control us. It's all of, that's the end game is that world government, and they'll determine, as I mentioned, early on we started in the show, George Bernard Shaw, before the eugenics committee, who lives and who dies. And you may not have that choice. If you're a strong, crowd Christian or belief, you may not fit into, because they're amoral,

they don't have any beliefs. The state is their belief. You may not fit into their program. If you can't be indoctrinated correctly, you may be exterminated. That's right. And they're written about that. So it's, these guys play for keeps, and it's serious. And our job has been to expose their plan since the late 50s and really what they want to do.

And they're very open about it, not more so than ever, because they feel like young adults have been so indoctrinated through the universities of school that socialism is good. Like we saw the last mayor race in New York City. I'm kidding you imagine. Yeah. Nothing's free. The schools have indoctrinated that. But then we also have the situation where the, you know, the Gen Z-P. People are finding it very – kids are finding it very difficult to find a job.

Even if they go to college, they're finding it difficult to find a job. And that is something, I think, that really drives this. Because, again, one of the things that socialism has always pushed out there, I think, is envy. You know, they find these different – at its core, I think, like Solowinsky, you know, dedicated his book rules for radicals to Satan. And I think at the core of it, there's all these different satanic appeals to the evil aspects of nature, you know, whether it's about greed, whether it's about envy, whether it's about hatred, racism, tribalism, all these different things. And they identify these things and seek to exploit them with

these different approaches that they take, you know. And so that's what I think is you have to be aware of the tactics and the strategies that are there if we're ever going to be able to defeat them. Otherwise, we're just putting in their hands, aren't we? That's exactly. And you're exactly correct. That's exactly what they do. They pit one group against another, one philosophy because it's all about conflict. It's all about the conflict. That's critically important. But we have to

identify what it is and expose what it is. That's really important. So we know the game. It's a charades. You remember the movie where we had with Julie Garland, Folly Elibik Road, you know, and all of a sudden who's a man behind the curtain? Don't pay attention to

him. When we expose who's behind the curtain, you know, and that's really what it's all about it's really a plan it's not done by accident and we see a lot of kubuki theater but the thing is is that we identify really what it is and to tell you what it's very difficult for people to believe it because some of their heroes of the past were not good people that's right and i'm sorry folks or the heroes of the present or the present i mentioned about george bernard shaw the guy was you know think about that one i mean i can go on but there's a lot of them And they were not who they thought they were.

I mean, it's, uh, yeah, he wrote Pygmalion, which was then turned into My Fair Lady, you know, the musical on the play and, you know, enjoy the music with that. But, uh, yeah, the guy who was there. And even when you look at all these different science fiction novels, they've basically become a blueprint for them. But when you're talking about how they like to set up conflict between different groups, that's why I think we really need to have our guard up about partisan politics, because that is another way they do it.

They don't just do it by race or race. by sex or this or that, they do it also with political factions. And, you know, when people buy into these things and start to excuse the actions of their leaders, what they really need to do is to look at the longer historical view and say, where were the Fabian socialists trying to take us? You know, where were the Gramsie socialist trying to take us? Where were the Marxists trying to take us? And if the actions of the person that's the hero of your party is going to move us in the direction

of these socialist and Marxists, they need to pull back and say, we're not going to follow that, even though that's part of our tribe here or whatever. I think that's a very important thing. Elections change government, but institutions change nations. That's really important.

They actually, Fabius even said that. They also said power shifts from representation to management, and that's where we are. The matter of, you know, it's left or right, you know, in the politics scene, the policy being set forward doesn't make a difference who runs back and forth

it's all kabuki theater for us because they're not setting the policy someone else is and we identify who they are that's really critically important so it's all a big game in front of us but we have to identify really who they are and what's happening and that's all

part of what we do educate people and make them there's more of us than them but our job is to wake people up and sometimes they don't want to they want to hear about it you know Our job is to wake people up and tell them really what's going on, much like the story gave to the UK folks about the Fabians. I said, look, they're destroying your country on plan.

Oh, it's not by accident. That's why, you know, I question you, so do they still have a Fabian society that people belong to? Because typically these things are done in secret, you know, quietly. So you have secret societies, you know, things like the Masons or whatever. But, you know, people will be members of this. But I don't think, do we have a Fabian society that you have, politicians that are part of here in the U.S. Or is that mainly the CFR that you'll see?

Mostly the CFR. Yeah. Yeah. It's exactly. You know, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's more, well, it's a partner of with the Fabian. So back to Cecil Rhodes and Lord Milner and, and, you know, Wilger Wilson took Amanda House. They had this thing called the inquiry back in the 1900s or so, and they, they formed this

group and they went to the United States and Council for Relations Board in 1921, and they're going to set foreign policy up barf, through David Rockefeller. And today you have members of the cabinet, 40, 50% of the people in presidential cabinets were part of the CFR. I mean, I had Clinton, Eisenhower, all those guys, were all involved in the CFR. They knew exactly what was going on.

So they were carrying the water for the CFR policy group. And that's exactly what goes on. So it was all, it looked good, you know, but reality is one of the stories that goes this way. You know, every year, every year, several years we have an election, it's like when you're high school you know the president of the student council remember those back in high school

it's a beauty contest yeah yeah and by the way I'm going to have longer lunch hours or we're going to have less homework right and all of a sudden they get elected and they're like who's running this show the superintendent of the principal high school and it never happened and that's it with the CFR we have a beauty

contest which is a public you know either presidential election or congressional and then who's running a show behind the scenes that's really is really those groups, those unelected bureaucratic officials or unelected, and we expose what they are. We have that book

called The Shadows of Power. Another book that we published years ago called The Shadows of Power exposes the Council on Foreign Relations War I, World War II, Korean, Vietnam, how they all morphed into

all part of the plan. That's called the Shadows of Power. So the Fabians is free ways about the Fabians. the shadows of power is about the council and foreign relations. And once people look at history, they get pretty angry because they know it's all been a theater for not for us, but for them. And they play the game to make it look like you're running the show, but you're not. You're just a victim of the globalist plan.

I agree. And when I think of the John Burr Society, you guys have done a great job of educating people about the Council on Foreign Relations, the CFR stuff. And yet we still have these people run for office. and you'll see them proudly list that as part of their CV, you know, that, yeah, a member of the Council on Foreign Relations. And

it surprises me. It's like, you know, I'm part of this satanic group over here. But it's, you know, they see it as a, you know, because it really does have a lot of panache or whatever or clout in Washington to be

a member of that club. And they're proud of it. And we need to call them out on it. We need to understand the history of it. We need to understand really just how evil the actions have been and how that has really been there. So I guess in the U.K., they still have people who are part of the Fabian Society, but here you'll see it in the CFR, and they'll be doing the same type of thing. Yeah, Bill Clinton was a member, Madden Albury was a member, Robert Rubin was a member, Ben Cohen, Larry Summers, George W. Bush was, got on Leah Rice, Colin Power, Robert Gates,

Henry Paulson, Burke Obama was president, scribe a candidate, Jimmy Gatherd, Susan Rice, you know, John Bolton, Henry McMaster, and Mike Pompeo, I dug Iowa on, you see what's going on here. So they're there in strategic locations to monitor and steer public policy. That's what it's going on. So when you see this, we hear the song, Garza was Democrat, Republican, you get to the same place all the time. That's the key. And I remember when Reagan got elected, people were excited, oh, like he's not CFR, you know. And I can't remember the last time we had a president that wasn't CFO.

and yet what he did was he put CFR people in all the different positions around him, you know? Yes, exactly. Well, Trump is not a member of the CFR, I can tell you that, so he's not a member. But he's got people around and make sure he doesn't get too far off off the script, although he does.

That's right. Yeah, I think what Trump is really as much as anything as the technocracy, because these guys are writing the checks there. I'm very concerned that, you know, we all know now what the CBD, CBDC is. and yet I think the same thing can be accomplished with a stable coin

and they can make a lot of money putting the stable coin out there at the same time so it's one way they can get rich they can get rich off of that or they can't get rich off of the CBDC and since everybody's kind of wise to the game of the CBDC they don't realize that stable coin is still going to have those

capabilities to be able to turn off your ability to trade and do other things like that tell us a little bit about the John versus idea. I mean, I know you guys have had a lot of fights and that type of. Have you been hit with any kind of debanking or stuff like that? Because, I mean, I have. And I've been kicked off of PayPal and Vimmo and other formats like that because of things that I was saying in 2020 about the lockdown and the pandemic and the vaccine, climate change and all the rest of stuff. Are you seeing that kind of debanking and deep platforming in various places? Yeah, well, sometimes always say that we get two to, uh, two, two, two, to, to, to, to, to, to, too much of truth, YouTube will take us down for a while or something like that, and then we'll come back on again.

You know, we don't have that issue with banking, per se, but they ignore us because they don't need attention. We get attacked, you know, we start to grow. So they try to pretend we don't exist any longer. Yeah, that's when I first learned at the John Burst Society was when William F. Buckley was on a tear, with National View to come after you guys. I was like, well, I think I agree with these guys, and I'm with Buckley. He's a CFR member, by the way.

But, you know, think about it. Probably CIA as well. Sullen Bones, you know, from Yale, you know, I can go on. He was a good guy, right? Yeah, sure. You know, his organization exists today. And don't look at, don't listen to those guys over there. Yeah, okay.

Yeah, that's why he was a good guy. That's why NPR had him on. That's right. People go, we wrote a book about that called the Piper of the Establishment. We wrote that book, Jack McMass, our past president. You may have known him. He wrote the book about Buckley. And he was, you know, he was all put together to make sure that he steers the conservative movement, their direction of the CFR, in which he was a member of the CFR.

So, you know, it's like, you know, as they said, it's not matter of who, it's all controlled, you know, and he was control opposition. He was a very poster child for that, isn't he, controlled opposition. Absolutely correct. And people still hold them up as he was some, you know, super conservative. He was not. I remember, you know, Rush Limbaugh really idolized him. Yeah. I was like, man, you don't realize who this guy is.

That's kind of telling. But anyway, it's, it really is a great organization and really do appreciate what you guys do. And again, the quiet ideology reshaping policy from London Parlor's to D.C. power. Is that a book or is that an article? Because that's how I found out about, about you. It sounds like the Fabian Freeway. That's what it sounds like. That's the subtitle with baby fruit.

By and over, yeah. Okay, good. But the JBS has been around for a long time. We have area chapters. We educate people on the voting record of their representatives. And so we try to encourage people to be active participants in the process. How do you change your representative, David, is if you don't understand the Constitution, or at least go visit them and say, why did you vote on constitutionally?

So we have these thing called the scorecard. We print it out every quarter, and it talks about the voting record. constitutionally, we picked them on Congress, you know, the Senate as well as the House, where they are. So people know if they're voting Constitution or not, and it's our personal responsibility as Americans

to uphold, remember, the representative has worked for us and say, hey, why are you voting this way? And would they have not? I mean, representative called me and said, no one ever very rarely calls me on the phone and talks about anything. Yeah. And so

we can't, it's not, you know, we sit back and I said, and one day we have a handsome young conservative to show up in Congress. It doesn't happen that way. Yeah. That's right. My biggest goal is fight complacency in Americans. And its life is too good. And even though the economics today is hurting them, now they're listening, but life is too good. And they have to, you know, we have to get behind and spend a little time protecting our sovereignty and our freedoms, but we have to know who we are first. And that's what we try to teach, Americanist principles and hold up representatives who work for us to make sure that happens. I agree. Yeah. And that's what I liked about the John

Bush Society was the focus on local activism as well and, you know, knowing what is happening locally in your state as well. And I've seen what you're talking about in terms of representatives who say, nobody ever calls me. I saw the power of that. And I've talked about this on the program. When I lived in North Carolina, I was involved with homeschooling. And, uh, At that point in time, all of North Carolina's government was Democrat, Democrat House and Senate, as well as the governor and all the rest of the stuff. So they decided the teachers unions decided that they were going to shut down homeschooling, and it looked like they were going to be able to do it because it was all Democrats.

And an active minority of homeschoolers, which was really small at the time. There wasn't a lot of people homeschooling. There's so many more who were doing it today. everybody got actively involved and started writing and it made them look so much bigger than they actually were and actually beat down the teachers unions in a democrat state that were going to try to regulate homeschooling out of existence and so that is a was a very important firsthand lesson to learn but it's difficult to get people do that and that's one of the things that john birch society does i think is excellent which is to educate each other about what is happening locally within your state and um and how to you can take action at a local level. I remember probably my earliest memory of the John Burr's Society was to support your local sheriff stuff, being concerned about the federalization of the police. And that is something that is now really escalating, isn't it?

Yeah. Yeah, we actually have that group. It still exists called support your local police. We want to keep them independent and federalize. We have a group. We have an affiliate, not-for-profit called support your local police. And we also have a, you mentioned school, with the homeschool, we've been in existence for 15 years called the Freedom Project Academy. It goes from kindergarten high school.

We have live, you know, education, of course, online, or you can buy a recorded version of it. And that's been around. So we're educating all over the world adults are having their children sign up to learn really Americanism and who we are not, not. fabricated history and we teach you how the kids how to write cursive and do math or read books. How about that for a change? And so we

yeah, it hasn't happened in above a school, I can tell you that. And we spent more time of education than social emotional learning. But the thing is, and you mentioned Allison and we wrote a lot of books about that. But the thing is, is that

so we look at education where our children or adults, bring it to view really who we are what we're all about because we've been indoctrinated. And we know the brainwashings has existed through all the mass media, David, all the mass media, as you

know very well because you're in the media business, that's all control about accounts and foreign relations. Every one of the New York Times, all the networks, including Fox News, it's all controlled media, and they all say the same thing, same deal. So guess what? That's the only thing you hear. That's the only thing you believe. So we said, no, time out. Let's talk about reality here. And it's hard for some people to swallow, but once you've been red-pilled, all of a sudden the world changes like now we see what's going on here so our that's our job in the birth to side we did with kids with school you write about the law enforcement we want to keep independent we teach the constitution we get people involved it's about education get people

activated and involved that's really important i absolutely great yeah activated involved and that's how we save our country as well as the people over in england they see the problem now because they're watching their country be destroyed and i mentioned the fabians we first came on because that's coming attractions for the United States. What you see in Europe is a coming to attractions for here. Oh, yeah. So delayed just a little bit. It's a warning.

That's right. Yeah. And so, you know, getting back to the federalization of the police, you know, we look at these things and we say, okay, even if you like the guy who's doing it, and even if you agree with the stated goal, you have to look at this and say, yeah, but that policy is going to establish a precedent of the federalization of law enforcement. And so I know where that leads, right? So we pull this back and we say, okay, so let's walk this back. And we have to oppose this even if we agree with the stated purpose, that's the wrong way to do it. And it is so important that we not sacrifice the, you know, that the means does not, it's not just, that the end does not justify the means. That's how these people always get us there.

And it's understanding those principles and what America is about. understanding the Constitution and what that's about and why those things are there, those important safeguards against tyranny and understand that if we wipe those things away because it's going to make it more expedient for us to achieve this particular policy goal, we are going to pay the price in the long long, aren't we? Nationalized Police Force is one of Marx's plan, and so that's where we're trying to avoid keep them local and independent. Your sheriff is a very important person in your county. very important person and I was I encourage people to know who the sheriff is

and talk to them and making sure that you understand and they understand about America's principles and our rights and they have you have to know who the sheriff is so they know who you are much like legislators and state legislature you know go back to our basics of our country our United States were formed as independent states sovereign states over a period of time David that we've given the states have given of power from themselves to the federal government. That's not the way it was supposed to operate. The government

is supposed to defend us against public and domestic enemies, you know? And that's very limited powers. Look at Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution. Very limited powers Congress has, right? And government. And so we have actually given more power to the federal government why it's all upside and distorted

today. So we spend time with our local legislators in each state to make sure they will uphold the constitutional responsibility. Each state has a constitution. The word democracy does not exist. It's always a republic. That's the only thing we teach people. That word does not appear

in our constitution or any state constitution. And people don't even know that. And I said, you have to understand states are sovereign. Make sure you make, this is where it begins. So if you look at our history, it was done with that phenomenal idea that keep them sovereign, independent

state. So those basic things I just said to you, most Americans I talk to do not understand that. They don't understand it at all. That's right. They absolutely do not. And it's so important that we understand a foundation of principles and why these things were set up the way they were.

Actually, it's a good plan. You know, even though the Constitution has completely violated, it's still a good plan, and we should try it someday in our lifetime, I think. It's like the Ten Commandments. It's not the Ten Suggestions, you know? That's right. That's right. And the Constitution, you have to know it before you can uphold it, you know?

Mm-hmm. And everybody, pretty much, whether they're local or state or especially federal, they take an oath to the Constitution as a requirement of their authority. And so when they violate that, they no longer having a legitimate authority, but they do have a lot of power. And so we need to understand that we can have power collectively. And that's one of the things I think the John Burst Society does bring to the table. Thank you so much for joining us. It's been a fascinating discussion, Mr. Morrow. Thank you. Wayne Morrow, the CEO of John Birch Society. Always great talking to you guys. We're going to take a quick break, folks, and we'll be right back. I want to talk a little bit about what's going on with cars here in just a second. So we'll be right back. Stay with us. I'm going to be able to be. And so on the I'm going to be. We're going to be able to be.

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APS Radio curates incredibly diverse playlist for you to enjoy. Get details at APSRadio.com. Welcome back, folks. We got a lot of comments. And Jersey Boy, thank you. so much for the support. He says, can you please ask if he was ever heard of William Cooper, who wrote Behold a Pale Horse? I'm sorry. I didn't see that comment at time. I'm sorry. And does he know about Jimmy from Brooklyn, who JBS interviewed, who I'm trying to get on your show?

Okay. Well, I'm sorry. I miss that. I'm very sorry. Yes, apologies. Owen 61. Thank you so much for the support. He just says, thank you. Well, thank you, Owen. Appreciate it. Yes, thank you so much. And Jersey Boy, again, says, I remember a few years ago from JBS in email, history of, and I need to, history of Republicans, it was started by a communist. Does he know what it was? And what does he think of JFK? You know, it's interesting. A book I really enjoyed was an alternative history book by Harry Turledov. He's written a lot of alternative history books. And this one was about Civil War. It's called How Few Remain. And in it, you know, you may know the

history that Antietam, as bloody as a battle was, nearly was, could have been a victory for the South, except that one of the couriers dropped the orders that he was carrying, and they fell into the union's hands. And so in his book, the guy said, hey, you drop those orders, better pick those up. Can you imagine what would happen if the other guy's got that, right? And so that causes an early end to the war. and pretty much all the major figures of both North and South survive. And the causes early end of the war and the South to gain its independence.

And in his alternative history, Lincoln is entirely discredited because he lost the war. But then he makes a comeback as this book is picking up a couple of decades on at that point in time. I think he's got Stonewall Jackson as the... the president of the Confederacy, and Lincoln makes a political comeback as head of the socialist party. And that's one of the things that made that book so interesting was he really did understand these people, what motivated them and the things behind them. And so, yeah, there was an early connection with that.

And if you look at, always think about the Pledge of Allegiance that was put in by the Grand Army of the Republic, most of the veterans, especially if they were, um, well-known or successful played an important part in the war, they got very big positions in the subsequent governments that were there. And the Grand Army of the Republic, which was the organization of Civil War veterans for the North, had a tremendous amount of influence. They were the ones who instituted the Pledge of Allegiance, and it initially did not have under God in it until the mid-1950s. And so the emphasis was on one nation, indivisible and that you know very harsh with that and the uh it was the pledge was done with

one arms extended out palm down uh just like uh the nazi salute uh they changed it to hand over your heart because of the nazi salute but uh yeah socialism and a lot of other things were were there and the uh as well as the concentration of power and really talking about the destruction of the states as sovereign entities and the understanding that the states had created the federal government, all that stuff disappeared with a civil war. Go ahead. We have username, 012, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, AI will be kosher and DEI. Niburu, 29, says, we have the best government money can buy.

And that's a quote from Mark Twain. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. And they spend more and more every single day. Hazanovanti 1776. Ask the guest his take on war, Gaza, Trump's anti-Semitism, Tsar, and the Heritage Foundation's Project Esther. I apologize. I didn't see that. Yes. The conversation was too good. Garland Goldsmith says, curiously, people often claim Marx was focused solely on economics, but his entire worldview was cultural based on envy and hate. Yeah. Conflict, yeah, like going in dialectic. That's why, you know, we have to look at the different ways that they divide us.

You know, it was very explicit what Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dorn and the weathermen wanted to do. They wouldn't have a race war. Marx focused, the thing about economics was there, but that was really a class struggle, right? And the economics was a part of that class struggle. And but it's always about dividing us. And that's why I said, you know, we have very careful about the Republican versus Democrat thing, any kind of division that they can use like that. And when we attach ourselves to a different ethnic group or a different political group,

these different types of things, those attachments draw us away from the principles that can be the bulwark against this kind of socialist hell that they want to put us in. And Mama C, 1996, says, I never learned so much as when I was homeschooling my kids. That's right. That's right. That's excellent. And that was the thing that I really missed about it. That was where I put all of my effort before I had the show.

As a matter of fact, that was, at one point, it was kind of bothering me because I was filling in for Alex at the very beginning. He said, you know, there's going to be millions of people listening to you. I said, don't tell me that. I need to hear that right now. Because I was not very much into public speaking or anything like that. And I said, no, the way I think of this, and that was in his original studio, which was really small and intimate. it. I said, the way I think of this is I'm talking to the guys over there running the board. I could see them. And I said, I'm just thinking like I'm doing homeschooling with my kids.

So I said, don't talk to me about millions of people listening to that. That'll freeze me up. So that's the way I always looked at it. And it was such a wonderful thing because it gave us an opportunity to go back and look at content that was compelled on us in the schools and to view it in a different way. And that's one of the things I've always said about biology and evolution. You know, when it's taught to us in the schools, it was always dumbed down into skeletons and death, right? For the evolutionist, death is the thing, the engine of creation.

For us, it is the giver of life. And we didn't look at comparative anatomy of skeletons. We looked at the unique design of each and every animal. And that was a thing that was so fascinating. So it really is a blessing and an opportunity. I hope if you have the opportunity, you take that to homeschool your kids. Have a good day. Thank you.

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Keith Riegert says that there's only two possibilities for AI. It's either going to collapse the economy, if it doesn't work out, or if it does work out, the use case is to take everybody's job and make everybody's jobs obsolete. Not a good prospect, if those are the two choices that are there. I think, though, that there is a third choice, and that is that the government, maybe it won't take everybody's jobs, and maybe it won't collapse the economy

because maybe the AI bubble won't burst, but we will live under a dystopian-controlled surveillance grid because that's what the government will use it for. So there's a third alternative. AIs killer use case, folks, is surveillance and control of us. And that's why the government is going to be so desperate to fund it, whatever it takes. If you want to know why gold and silver and Bitcoin are soaring,

it's the debasement of the dollar in order to fund the AI arms race, they said. And of course, energy is the reality factor in all of this. That's where it gets real. And that's one of the reasons why Bill Gates and others are moving back away from the climate McGuffin. The Plandemic McGuffin gives them all the justification that they need, and they need to have this surveillance control and ID, this control grid that is there. They need to have that, and they need to have artificial intelligence to run that. So they're pulling back from that because in order to have the AI control structure, they've got to have massive amounts of energy.

All right. And joining us now is Dr. Richard Restak, MD, and he is a neuroscientist as well, and he has written a lot of books on the brain, and now this is one kind of the nexus of our brain and artificial intelligence. So I wanted to get him on because we, as you know, we talk about AI and its impact on society quite a bit. Thank you for joining us, Dr. Restick. I'm happy to be here. Thank you, David.

You've written so many books and bestselling author, and, of course, people. can find this on Amazon. You've written so many books. What is different about the brain? What is different about this one? And why did you write this book? I wrote this book to announce and to discuss the dangers that are lurking, so to speak, in the 21st century and are unique to the 21st century, but are having an effect on the brain and a negative one. So we really are imperiled by eight different factors, one of which is the global warming. We have new diseases that are present in the 21st century that are increasing, starting with COVID and moving forward. We have problems, of course, with the global warming, which we'll talk about in more detail.

And then the Internet, the effect of the Internet, the effect of AI, memory. The alteration, the attempt to alter memory, almost to alter our memories of what the past was like. This is an ongoing enterprise by various governments in the world, including our own. We also have surveillance, the seventh, the surveillance becoming increasingly a surveillance society. It's almost impossible to not be revealing things about yourself because there's surveillance cameras everywhere. I can give you several examples of that just in my own personal life. And then finally, the eighth one is anxiety. All of these things are creating what I call an existential anxiety.

People are being given information, but it's being molded according to the thoughts and the inclinations of people in power. For instance, let's take today's right out of today's New York Times on page A7. there's an article called the air in New Delhi is life-threatening and it tells the tale of the New York Times

reporters who have spread themselves throughout New Delhi from 6 a.m. until late in the evening of a certain day recently and they measured the particulate matter in the air and it was anywhere from 10 times to 30

times as great as would be considered minimally normal. Now, on top of that, you have the statement that they state that the government is actually trying to hide this kind of insight to the populace by spraying water and other things like that. It says that they're doing this around the measuring stations. And they're also losing data from measuring stations during the worst bouts of pollution.

So there you have the molding of the facts, either denying them altogether or trying to improve them. So people say, oh, well, they measured it down at such and such a measuring station, and it was really not a lot of high. Well, of course, they were spreading water and other things to try to reduce this. So we've got a capitalist society here in the United States, which has a vested interest in pushing forward certain scientific points of view. So science is being put sort of in the back seat, and there's politicians and other people, all of whom share one thing, capitalistic enterprises in which they're part of or which they are advancing. And a kind of crony capitalism where they can get protection and subsidies as well. And the control is being taken away from us, because as I was

just reporting earlier today, they're working very hard to make sure. sure that state and local governments can't enact any control on artificial intelligence. And that came up in the context of talking about how the manufacturers of tasers, also big manufacturers of police body cams, how they want to wed that to artificial intelligence. And the question is, you know, what could possibly go wrong with that? If they identify you, they misidentify you as a dangerous criminal and warn the police about how dangerous you are, they could get people killed. Well, not only that, but all of these efforts set up a sense of anxiety and fear.

Let me just tell you what happened to me in one morning, call a cab to go to a medical appointment, and when we've started going down the road, I said to the driver, you know, you're not going the most efficient or the quickest way. He said, I know that. He said, but I don't want to go that way because there's speed cameras. I said, well, you know, you're driving very sensibly, and you're not. eating and I'm in no hurry, so what's the problem? He said,

well, they take pictures of everybody that goes by those cameras, because they want to see who's in those photos, in those cars. So I asked them to give me a reference for that, and he got said of, didn't say anything else for the rest of the trip. So when I got down to the medical building, I got

in the elevator, it said in this facility, there is surveillance both obvious and hidden. That's interesting. And the Santa Claus was watching you now. This is all one morning. And then when I got up to sign in,

I signed the board with an electronic pen, and I didn't see no signature. I said, well, it didn't take. She said, oh, it took it. But we don't allow it to go on the screen so it could be seen. I said, why is that? She said, well, somebody behind you might see the thing and then remember it and use your signature to forge something somewhere.

Well, first of all, there was a sign that said stand 10 feet back, and secondly, there's nobody else behind me. So there's three examples just drawn at random that we're becoming an increasingly surveilled society, which is creating a sense of paranoia and a sense of fear. So the brain has to adjust to these type of things, Dave, and it's very hard to do. And I think that is calculated. You know, they've been, they want to do this, even to the extent when you talk about these cameras, is taking everybody's picture, the flock network that is out there, this corporation that is saying, well, we can do whatever we want because it's in public space, and, you know, we're not

government so we can collect this information, and yet they collect it in order to sell it to the government. So it's just one level indirect, but they not only grab your license plate, but they also do a complete profile of your car and all of its idiosyncrasies. Does it have a dent here? Does it have a scrape there? What about a bumper sticker? so that it creates a model of your car. And so they almost have like, you know, biometric identification of your cars as well as of you. And this is now made possible because of the advances of AI. But this has been something that has been concerning me.

I look at things kind of from a libertarian perspective. And this has been concerning me for a long time. The idea that government is using technology many different ways, Internet, social media, things like that, to monitor and to manipulate us all the time. And to me, artificial intelligence just puts this on steroids. And so I think there is something to be anxious about if we're going to look at this. We should be concerned about it. Maybe not anxious, but we should be concerned about the goals of people who are putting this kind of stuff together.

So, yeah. Well, there's that. And then there's, if you can manage to change the present, you can. manipulate the future. Of course, the real way to get it is control of the past, as as Warwell pointed out. You control the past, you

can control the president and by the implication, control the future. And we're seeing alterations of materials, even government documents, government films, documentaries, things like that are being altered in ways

that are not visible, not, I should say, detectable. not detectable to the ordinary person. So they get ideas about what the past was like, which are wrong, and don't show you, as I mentioned in the book, if you were at a dance in 1850 before the Civil War, and it's a film we're watching, let's just say we're watching a film about 1850,

and we're seeing people ballroom dancing, all that. Then one of them pulls to the sign and pulls out a cell phone. And you say, wait, I meant that. We didn't have cell phones then. Well, you know, there were a lot of things that were going on now that we're not going on in the past. And it's not to our advantage to try to pretend that they were. They weren't. We have to understand the past, understand the future.

And we're not only creating situations that are false, but we're also, like, in 1984, Orwell created a character called Commander Ogilvy. He was a war hero. He got all sorts of medals, and it was all the poets that were all told to honor him and so forth. Well, he never existed. He actually was made up entirely. And that's one of the things that the narrator is doing in the job at work,

is filling in photographs, of inserting O'OVie into historical events. that happened, wartime scenarios, et cetera. And when reading it, we'll say, wow, this is some man. Well, he was a complete fabrication. We're just about at that point with Sora out, the AI out. Which could take you and had you, you know, to say, let's get David Knight and have him leading some sort of a parade or whatever.

And, you know, suddenly people would say, well, gosh, I saw him with my own eyes. So what's happening is that the actual seeing is believing is being turned on its head. So that's no longer true. You're talking about a completely fabricated character out of Orwell. Just recently they had Tilly Norwood, who was a completely fabricated AI personality. And the person who came up with it has got agents representing her. They got her out there as an actress. So I mean, it's like, so I've created an AI actress, which will do a lot of different roles for you.

She probably does her own stunts as well, I imagine. People in SAG, the Screen Actors Guild, and they're furious about this. And I said, any agent that represents this AI character, it's not going to do any business with us. But we're already at that point. It truly is interesting. And one of ways of neutralizing it is to create the situation that exists right now between you and me. You're laughing and I'm laughing because it seems funny. And it is funny.

But it's a very serious purpose behind all this. It's all the matter to try to alter people's perceptions so that they begin to doubt the variety of what they're seeing. That's right. Yes. And I've talked for the longest time about how the whole idea for the Internet was created by DARPA psychologists. And I've been concerned that it was all about psychological manipulation from the get-go with all of this. But as a physician and as a neuroscientist, I'd be interested in your take on, you know, what is currently going on. because besides manipulating the past by changing information about the past or, you know, memory-holing it or writing a new alternative history of it, they're also concerned, and there's been projects that have been put out by DARPA, and I don't know if they've been successful or not, but they, you know, they're putting out requests for people to come up with things to manipulate people's memories.

So you've got a soldier, they say, who's got bad PTSD. Let's get rid of that memory. Let's give them different memories. What do you see in terms of someone who studies the brain and neuroscience? What do you see about that? What do you think is the state of the art with that? Well, my last book was called The Complete Book of Memory. It had to do with memory.

I studied memory in great detail. And, of course, you have to do away with the concept that memory is like a videotape or something that you just store in your brain. And when you get them, want to get it, you just bring it out. out, like you'd bring out a videotape. It's not like that. It's a reconstruction. Each time you think back to a certain event, you alter that memory so that you have memory one, memory two, memory three, on and on and all. That's the nature of memory.

And memory can be manipulated. It's always, you know, in the courtroom, they're always trying to avoid the contamination of the witness. An example of that would be, well, which car went through? through the red light and to ask a witness. And he said, oh, it was a red car, went through the red light. Well, wouldn't surprise you to know that it wasn't a red light, but it was a stop sign, Mr. Witness.

Of course, his credibility is gone. Yeah. Because he took the suggestion that it was a red light instead. And it would be very easy to do because you don't necessarily have that image, that intersection in your mind. So that's why there's protections, even if. the courtroom against leading the witness they call it in other words providing information that's either not true at all or half true so we've got that this is not this didn't start in the 21st

century that that started you know as long as we've had courtrooms right this is a more an emphasis now on altering memory so the people will not will get up there and under krause examination they'll do pretty well because their whole memories but altered they've changed to by by various mechanisms, suggestion, repeating information, which is false, of course, which is the missing information. It was a cartoon about a week ago by Ramirez, in which he's a Pulitzer Prize winner. He has three doctors in an operating room in a laboratory. One of them is looking into a microscope, and he looks up and he says, this is the most dangerous pathogen we have ever encountered.

And the second doctor says, well, is it bubonic plague? Is it smallpox? And then the one that he says, no, it's misinformation and disinformation. That's right. And we've got to be very careful because many times the people who will tell us about that are the people who want to be the ones who define what the information is for us. and they will ask those leading questions. You know, when we're talking about leading questions and manipulating people.

There's been a lot of reports about artificial intelligence, kind of people who have a particular psychosis or something, and they get involved with the AI, and it starts to confirm the things that they want because that's what it is set up to do in terms of bias. I want to be empathetic and sympathetic to people, and so it starts doing that and leading them further. and further down, a particular rabbit hole, there's been situations of, you know, people

got into severe mental distress, some suicides of some young children and other things like that. Speak to that aspect of it and the real danger of that. That is really kind of, I think, speaks to the psychological aspect and potential of artificial intelligence, and that could be weaponized. Right now, it's just kind of happening out of their business model, right? But that could definitely be weaponized against people. Well, I talk about that in my book in the chapter on the Internet.

There are famous examples of people who have suicided right on the Internet live feed, and they've been manipulated at doing that by other people who've encouraged them, said this would be a sign of strength, this would be a sign of that you're not afraid to die if necessary. And there's cases of it that actually led to these. suicide one of them is the most grisly i have in my book about a person who was talked into pouring gasoline over themselves and setting a match all on open feed internet and while this fire is burning you can hear everybody in the background's cheering we did it we did it we got him to do it wow that's amazing that's amazing so there's something that about the internet and

about that actually brings out sadistic, criminal, psychopathic trends. And we don't know why is the fact that you don't necessarily, can't be identified, but something that is going to be influencing and has influenced the Internet greatly. And it will continue to do so until we understand it. I think that's one of the things that's so dangerous about the things that we saw with lockdown and other aspects of it. There's an atomization here in so many different ways the government and tech companies are trying to make sure that we're not in person with each other. You know, many cases like, for example, in this interview, we couldn't do this interview if we both had, if one of both of us had to travel. We're able to do this because we can do it over Zoom or whatever.

But just taking ordinary things that you would normally do in terms of interacting with. with people in school or in church or in your community or whatever, taking that away and putting a screen between the two of you. It really does change the way people interact with each other. I remember Errol Morris, the film director, was able to get people to say all kinds of things to him. He got a murderer to confess. He got Robert McNamara to confess about the false flag of the Vietnam War.

He got people to say all kinds of stuff because there was that distance between him and them. He could have interviewed them in person. But what he did was he put an interatron, which is what he called it. It was basically a teleprompter that he had set up so he could do two-way communication at the time. And once he had that distance there, then it completely changed the dynamics that he would have versus with somebody person to person. And that's what we're talking about here, isn't it? Yeah, we're talking about that.

And, of course, there's the gradations of this, and it continues. Like you're interviewing me, we're discussing. I feel like it's a discussion. If I were to say something that later I regretted, I could probably say, oh, well, that wasn't me. That was my avatar. Or my agent, right? I got an AI agent that's out there doing stuff. That's right. It's crazy. We also see, though, as a doctor, you're seeing people have noticed actual physical changes that can be observed in people's brains. I'm thinking of the story about the London taxi drivers who would do the knowledge. And they would find that as they memorized all these factual details and drew on that all the time in order to take people to, you know, this very complicated city with this complicated streets, that they had a particular part of their brain that was larger than the typical person.

And then they found that once they stopped doing that, it started to shrink again. And we're starting to see that happening with people in a lot of different areas of their life, that kind of atrophy. And it's physically observable, isn't it? Well, it is. You have to learn. You have to use the things that you have learned to do. Like I mentioned in my memory book, there's all kinds of memory exercises that you can do. I do them every day. And they're very easy, and they help you to continue with your memory to keep it sharp. Give us some examples. I'm sure everybody would love to know that. I would all like to have a better memory. What kind of things can we do to exercise? Well, think about the fact that you never had to learn pictures. When you were an infant, a young child, a picture was something that you could, you know, may not know what you're looking at, but you could see it without an intermediary. Whereas language is something that you have to hear from other people. It's something that's sort of added on to the brain, okay?

So as a result, the most best way of remembering something is to make a image for it, okay? for instance i have a little dog called a skipper key skipper key is a belgian dog he's a nice little fellow but it was embarrassing to me when walking the street people say what kind of a dog is that and it couldn't come up with the name because it was such so complicated and i thought that's skipper key i didn't speak any dutch or anything so then i got this image of a small boat with a large captain with a beard holding a big key so it was

skipper key and I remember forever so I was going to have the picture once I have the picture it's easy to do another way easy way to do it and you can do that with all kinds of times all the time I was going upstairs before I came down to the office and I wanted to get my wallet and I wanted to get my cell phone so I just had an image of a wallet in the form of a cell phone and I was walking up the stairs talking into the wallet cell phone. So I got up and I knew I had these two elements to get. It would be very easy to get one and forget the other. So you have these images all the time.

And the quickest, you know, this is sort of off the topic of the book, but if you want to have a firepower memory for a load of things, that's up to ten things, and get ten areas that you are familiar with, that you see every day, and then you could put on those images the thing you're trying to remember. So if I'm trying to remember a loaf of bread, milk, maybe batteries, I have a regular way of doing that. I have like I remember the library that's near my home, the coffee shop, liquor store, Georgetown University of Medical Services, school where I went, Georgetown University, Cafe Milano, which is a place in Washington,

everybody gathers, and then Keybridge, Iwo Jima Memorial, and Reagan Airport. So that bread would be, for instance, the loaf of bread. I was looking at the window of the library instead of seeing books. I'd see bread, loaves of bread. And when I get down to the liquor store, instead of it being filled with liquor, but I'll be milk bottles. So that's how I'll have to get to it. So I can get 10 items together without any problems at all.

That's great. Yeah, it's interesting. You talk about the importance of a visualization. It's one of the things that I do in terms of preparing for the show. I have a lot of articles that I go through. And it's really when I highlight things or when I write them down, that's when I can remember them. If I don't do that, if I were just to read these things,

I wouldn't remember them. But if I interact with it and write it down, that helps me to remember it. So that is a kind of visualization there, I guess, as well. It truly is interesting. And what you said earlier about memory, not being something that is stored in a place, as somebody coming from a computer science background, that was a very different thing. When you construct your memory, you know, how do you reconstruct that? I mean, that as opens up a whole new area of questions as well.

In other words, if every time somebody brings up a subject, I mean, there isn't something that's stored initially to reference that and then rebuild from that? Yeah, there's the interconnections. Like, you know, somebody listening to us might say, well, gee, this is called the 21st century of brain, but I haven't heard that much about the brain. Well, let me just link that up so that these things make sense. We have a new version, or I should say, a new understanding of the brain called the connectomic brain. in which there's all kinds of interactions in the brain of parts of the brain, which you don't, we're just learning about. I have the, I use the metaphor of a bowl of spaghetti.

You pull out one of the strains of spaghetti, and you never have any idea what it's connected to. How many other strains of spaghetti this is connected to. So that's, if you think of the brain as being kind of set to make connections, That's its natural processing. So it gets back to these things that we were talking about earlier, you know, global warming and memory and surveillance and all that. How are we going to solve all those?

Well, somehow or other, those things are connected with each other. That's the take-home message to this book. And the basic goal is to try to figure out what it is that connects these things, what it is that would allow us to, by solving one of them, solve the other. And I mentioned at the end of the book, experts so far have done it. So it's useful, as Hayek said, to get ordinary people to give, when I say ordinary, I mean non-specialized people, to give their ideas. Gee, I wonder what such and such would happen.

and what would happen about global warming? For a while, there was, in fact, there's still experiments going on on the effect of sulfur that would help the CO2 problem, and, you know, shooting sulfur up into the atmosphere. Of course, the reason for that was the volcano in 1980-something, in which after that volcano in Hawaii, it was noted that the air was clearer, and it was less pollution. So that's something to think about it. There's some way of using that particular sulfur experiment

to decrease global warming. War, for instance, we don't think of war as a cause of global warming, but it is. Oh, yeah. Or CO2. Thermone clear warning. Yeah, it's been put up since the Ukraine war and the Gaza war. Then, you know, a tremendous amount that's going to overcome and exceed the benefit of any of these things like, you know, non-gaziline engines,

but, you know, using electrical and things like that. Absolutely. Yeah, it's kind of like, you know, shooting up rockets in order to put satellites up, you know. How many cars and lifetime use of cars from people would that be equivalent to? And you start talking about all the missiles that are being shot. And then you get to the explosives as well. It is really interesting how they focus us on their objectives for their ways to control us. The manipulation's been going on for quite some time.

And so, yeah, that is pretty amazing. And I guess that's my, you know, my, when you look at this stuff, it really does look like science fiction. And I'm almost inclined to write it off on I first see it when DARPA is saying, well, we need to find some way that we can, you know, erase memories and people. and insert new memories into them. I'm going back to Total Recall, right? So it sounds like something from a Philip K. Dick novel, but they're really working on that. And I guess one of the most striking things we saw,

we reported on a couple of weeks ago. And it was a company that was bragging about how they could read your mind more accurately and quickly than their competitors because there's a lot of different companies that are doing this. And how they could, it was called Brain IT, was the name of the company and so they had a way that they would do MRI and they could essentially train it on your brain in a much shorter period of time the other people and they could get much better results and our producers just pull this up so what they do is they show

you an image and you're looking at that image and then it's reading your mind and reconstructing what you're looking at which I thought was absolutely amazing and terrifying at the same time How is this going to be used? I guess that's the real issue. When we start talking about all these different things, I think that is the real case that it's difficult for people to understand just how far and how quickly the technology has progressed and then to say, and how do we control this from it being used for bad purposes?

Well, that's a specifically 21st century problem. Yes. Because all of these things have either originated in the 21st century. where they have, in fact, further developed and become increasingly threatening. And bear in mind, we have to have to solve these problems because they're not something that's going to go away. And then the most important thing to remember, David, is that all of these things harm the brain.

And the brain is the thinking processor that's going to save us. It's going to figure out what the problems, what the solutions to the problems are. So we know now that wildfire smoke, for instance, it creates dementia. It enhances the likelihood of somebody coming to medic. So as the brain is affected negatively, increasingly in longer and longer periods of time, our ability to solve these problems is going to decrease. So we've got to do it now. We've got to get serious about it.

And this business of people getting up saying the global warming is fiction and all that. is really very, very disturbing. Yeah, well, you know, the example that you gave earlier of the fact that the Indian government was manipulating the temperature at some of the stations there, that kind of works both ways. They have put some of these temperature stations on the airport tarmacs, and in the U.K., they have a lot of the temperature stations that they've got there. They're just extrapolating the data. They don't have real temperature measurement stations there.

So it all really gets back, I think, to the science. method. And that's really where we have to hold people's feet to the fire. We're talking about something like that. We can have an absolute standard of what truth is. And that truth is going to be being able to measure something accurately and being able to reproduce that. And then I think a good yardstick for that is when somebody is trying to hide their data, that's the clue right there that they're not doing science. Because if they're doing science and they've come to the right conclusion they don't have a problem with somebody looking at their data. And so I've got a question here for you from a person in the audience asking you know about doctors James Giordano and Charles

Morgan and their work with military. I'm not familiar with those names. I don't know if you know anything about that or not. The Giordano says familiar. What particular thing are they asking about them? I don't know. It just says they're work with military. I guess it would have to do with something but you haven't heard of it. I'm not sure. I don't know. I could reverse. say to your daughter, did this or did that, no. Sure, I understand. Yeah, let's talk a little bit about the things that we have been anxious about. And, of course, as Christians, we have one answer to it.

But you talk about how this is something that has been around pretty much all of our life. I mean, I grew up with anxiety about nuclear war, for example. That was on everybody's television, and that was the forefront of our mind, especially growing up in Florida when the Cuban missile crisis was happening, they got us really afraid of that when I was in elementary school. You know, it's like, there's not going to be enough time for you to get home, you know, when the nuclear bombs started falling. So, I mean, there's all these different ways that you can panic people. I guess part of it is how do we identify the real problems and how do we deal with those problems?

Because there's always things that are competing for our attention and our anxiety, many of which are not real. And usually the things that you're really the most concerned about don't happen. And it may be sometimes because you have taken a precaution about it. What would you say about that about anxiety? You're starting to break up a little bit. Can you hear me clearly? I hear you. Yes.

Sorry about that. It's breaking up a little bit. You're talking about traumatizing a population. You know, what do we do to guard against that type of thing? And, of course, that's going to really escalate with the ability of AI to create a narrative. Yeah, well, let's talk about it as an avenue to get into that. Let's go back to what you brought about, the atomic weapons and the atomic war and the fears of the people that there's going to be another atomic war. I mean, you know, this is not unrealistic.

There's even going to move as it's just come out that's getting all kinds of attention, as you know. and it has to do with the threat of a nuclear war. If you look at what's happening in the Europe right now, there's all kinds of suggestions that it could lead to a nuclear war. I mean, Ukraine now has announced that they're under no conditions willing to give up any land, and Stalin is, I mean, Putin is thinking what he can do to change that, but maybe he'll attack another country.

I mean, this is scary stuff. So what's happening in response to the government is to try to show that, oh, we shouldn't worry about it. We have things under control, but I don't think things are under control. And we've talked about the problems, and we're talking about problems. You have your final chapter is New Ways of Thinking. And I'd like to talk about that. One of the things that you say is Occam was wrong, Occam's Razor, that people are familiar with. Tell us a little bit about that.

that why is i come wrong well because he says that you know the entities are not to be multiplied meaning that we can always explain things best by limiting ourselves to the minimum amount of factors ideally one one cause of every effect that's not true it's certainly not true in the 21st century where there's all kinds interactions between factors and causes so that ockham was wrong in that basis. We have to think of an interconnecting pool just as in the brain of interconnections of neurons. Interconnections of these

problems and they're all related. They're all related. All eight of them that I talk about in my book. They're all related and if you can figure a way of influencing one, you influence all the others. I mean, who would think there'd be a connection between global warming and the amount of

artisan and cheese, France, high-end cheese? Well, there is. because chickens don't lay the many eggs, and there'd be all the various other things to come on in terms of making cheese. I learned that the other day. That was something that was a surprise to me. You know, it's kind of interesting when we talked about connections so much.

There was a series that was on, I think it was on PBS. I think the guy's name was Burke. I can't remember his first name. I'm not sure about the last name, but he had a series called Connections. And I thought it was fascinating because what he would do is he would take a whole series of connections to show how a particular technology had evolved, you know. So he might go from, you know, the quill to the jet engine or something like that.

And it was a fascinating, fascinating thread of things. It very much like what you're talking about. It really is. And I did consult his work, actually. Did you? I was writing this book because he did that connections. He did a book called The Day of the World. changed and all this. He also did a book called Circles in which he would start with one particular

event that had carried in history. And if you go around the circle, you come back to the beginning where it started, where this particular inventor invented something. What led up to it? What was the circle leading to that? So yes, we're talking about connections and we're talking about the inability to understand things without reference to supporting and accessory factors. We have that going all the time denying things that are going to be happening and of course i think the fearful thing is that the government is is is aiding and this denial uh because if you deny that there's a problem then there's very little impetus to try to solve it you know yeah and they're there's no problem don't try to solve it they're uh they're throwing out their own um chaos and

uncertainty and anxiety that's out there all the time all all all all all ways, I guess. So the question is, she's talking about volatility, uncertainty, complexity, and ambiguity. I mean, it sounds like a government policy. I think they've got bureaucracies that specialize on that. Yeah. Well, actually, that's true. Yeah. That's in your section there about new ways of thinking. And so how do we incorporate that in a new ways of thinking that help us to solve this riddle? Well, each of those factors is a factor that helps you to understand things and to have more control. It doesn't necessarily mean it helps you to lengthen together.

That has to be done by original thinking. You have to be under those things involved. You don't have a basic situation that doesn't change. It changes all the time. So the other thing that I want to emphasize the most is the role of capitalism in all of this. I mean, there's all this, like the private equity, the business of people having a point of view that is going to advance them financially and that blinding them to the problems that are here. Like, for instance, we talked about global warming. Well, the rich people, very rich people, are buying multi-million dollar apartments and condominiums, which have special air filters, which will keep wildfire.

spoke out and we'll try to keep the global warming effect at bay by superpower air conditioners. Of course, they're building their own bunkers too. They're doing things that are creating all kinds of chaos and weapons of war mass destruction. They're out there building super bunkers in various places as well.

So I think they're somewhat pessimistic about what they're doing. Well, it's basically the idea is that, you know, we don't care about the ordinary person. We're going to survive. We're going to see to our own survival. And in order to do that, we have to deny certain things that are going on will do so. Now, incidentally, all of this is not conscious thinking. They don't necessarily say, well, I'm going to deny global warming because it'll be to my advantage financially because all my investment is in the oil and gas industry.

They don't do it that way. They come up with pseudo logic, things that seem to make sense to them, but if they didn't have a financial thrust in the matter, they would look out upon it quite differently. That's right. We can always find a justification for what it was, what it is that we really want. Everybody should understand that if you're a parent this time of year at Christmas time, you can always understand that people will come up with a justification for what they want. And that's as true of government as it is of corporations out there. and it's really dangerous when the two of them connect with each other. I think that's one of the things, you know, you talk about connections and the importance of it

and how we can try to connect these different factors each of us individually. But I think it's the human connection that is out there, that is going to be essential for all of this. It's going to be our collective work on all this. What do you think about that? Would you agree with that? Well, I'd agree with it, but there's so many things that are taking place now

that are causing the shisms. and splitting people into factors and belief systems and political points of view. And that's very dangerous because then you can't get together any kind of unity, even in the face of an emergency. Well, I think we've always had these factions and things like that. You know, the founders of the country warned about factions and political parties. But I think what makes it unique is that when you're interacting with people on a personal basis,

you interact with them a little bit differently than if you've got that separation between you that technology is giving us now because now you're interacting with something that's abstract is not with another person and there's also the body language that you're not picking up on but it makes it easier for you to be harder on people when there's that distance there I think that's why I think you know the personal connection I think is really vital to making these connections and coming up with an understanding of what's going on we talk about the hidden factor that are out there, hidden unrelated topics. Other people, as you pointed out earlier, just talking to ordinary people about what

it is that you see with different things. I think that is the genius of the collective free market out there, that there's so many observers who are looking at things and thinking about them, and it's kind of their collective decision that is kind of guiding things along, as opposed to having a central planner who's doing that. What do you think about that? You've got a, in your final chapter, a new way of thinking, you have what you call a sensible solution. What does that really involve?

I'm sorry I hear what you said. You have a sensible solution. What do you think a sensible solution to the kind of stress and chaos and anxiety that we have, manipulation that we have? What is a solution to that? Well, I think the Wikipedia is a good example of that. They have people from all walks of life, all levels of education, free to contribute to whatever topic they may want to do that. It may be helpful. I mentioned earlier about the effect of global warming on the making of cheese.

There might be somebody who makes cheese that's going to come up with some idea. You know, we don't know that. We don't know that that may not be where it comes from original idea about what to do about global warming. you put it on what I'd like to think, and I hope it will be developed, a kind of Wikipedia where the ordinary person can feel free to put forth their ideas about it. Now, you say, well, we already have that. We have the Internet. No, we don't.

The Internet is a commercial situation. It's all done for making money and grab attention and all that. And there's no criticism on it. There's no pure review, if you will. And the Wikipedia, I mean, you know, people can write in and say, well, that particular contribution is bonkers, and then give an example why it is, or that was a very good idea. And after that, you begin to get things coming together in unpredictable ways that may help us solve these eight problems.

Yeah, the problem is it seems like whenever you wind up having a form or a place where things can be, and that's true of the Internet. It's also true of Wikipedia. Then it becomes you have gatekeepers who are there, and we saw this in spades throughout the COVID stuff that if somebody's got a different idea rather than debate them, the impetus is to silence them by the people who are in authority. And so that really, I think, is the key thing. And I think as part of that, we see a continuing rise in disgust and deprivation of free speech. People are not interested in the principle of free speech. They don't want to have.

have open debate. And I see this, regardless of where people coming from on the political spectrum, there is a declining interest in debate and thinking, you know, the debate is critical to critical thinking. And so the people who are in charge, the gatekeepers, whether it's Wikipedia or the internet or, you know, any other form of information, they are weighing in on that and they don't want things that they disagree with. And it might be because they've got an agenda or might be because they've just got a particular prejudice about something. They want to make sure that the contrary views don't get out there. That, I think, is a real key that's there.

And again, this is part of this atomization that we have of people, feeding that tribalism in a way that we've never seen it before, using technology. I would agree with everything you've just said, exactly. And I think we have to try to get beyond that. but we get back again to this business of people having their own personal financial point of view and position and pushing that basically on the fact that they look upon it as so maybe we're talking about a capitalism problem we've got capitalism that's what this country's all about but i mean it's certain parts of it now we've gotten to the point where people are unable to take another point of view if it's going to be financially harmful and hurt to them. Yeah. I think that, you know, we start looking at the tech companies. I don't think that their capitalism would exist. I don't think they'd have billions of dollars if they weren't unified with the government. So there's a, there's a symbiosis there that the two of these entities feed off

of each other. And I think that nexus right there is the, is a difficult thing. And so I think, you know, when I think of capitalism, I don't like to refer to capitalism anymore, because I think of it as a partnership, a public-private partnership, some kind of a economic fascism where they are working together. But I like to think of a free competitive market where the government doesn't have any role except as some kind of a referee between two parties that have a conflict or something. But, yeah, that's the thing that's really driving this. You know, many people, when they talk about AI, they said, well, you know, here's a couple different outcomes. Maybe this stuff really works the way it's supposed to work and it takes everybody's jobs. and we wind up with the depression.

Or maybe it doesn't work at all, in which case the big AI stock bubble that we've got burst and everybody loses their job because of that. And I said, well, there's a third alternative. And that is that the government keeps propping it up with public funds because it feeds their surveillance and manipulation needs, their ability to surveil and to control us. And I really think that that's where this is all going to head.

I don't really, you know, those other two things, Things may happen, and they may be true. But I think there is a customer out there for the AI stuff that is driving all this stuff that has been putting out these proposals for the longest time. And that's governments, governments around the world. I mean, we look at the brain project that we had a few years ago. That was during the Obama administration. But things like the brain computer interface that Elon Musk and many other tech companies

are doing out there, this neural ink, and there's a lot of them that are doing that. that's being driven by the government wanting to connect into our minds, hack into our minds, really. And they've been funding that kind of stuff. So how do we break that? On the Musk side, he's doing it for money. I mean, obviously, to make money. That's right. So that there's an unholy alliance, if you will, between someone who can't see anything other than the dollar

and another side of the government can't see anything other than increasing power and surveillance over the population. yeah that's right absolutely true well it's a fascinating book it's fascinating take on this and and of course you've written many books on the brain the memory one very interesting and and you do have sections about memory in this book as well and people be able to find this on Amazon I guess is the best place that they can find it looking for the title of this and it is you know it is something that I think we all need to think about how we're going to to operate the effects that this technology is having on our brains in the 21st century, and that is the title of the book, The 21st Century Brain by Richard Restak.

Thank you very much, Dr. Restak. Thank you. Appreciate you coming on. Good day. I enjoyed it very much. Thank you. Yeah, a very interesting conversation. Thank you.

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...their... You know, uh, oh, uh, and That brings us to something that was very interesting that was very interesting. brain, the brain interface transference here that is a company that is called,

hang on a second, I'll get it right here. Brain IT is their thing. And they're not the only company that's doing this. There's a lot of different companies that are doing this. And let's show people what this really looks like. Scroll down and zoom in on those pictures. Now, there's pairs of pictures, and you'll see an image that. that the person is looking at, says scene image.

Right next to it is the reconstructed image. And look at that. There's a giraffe, and then right next to it is a giraffe. But the giraffe is standing in exactly the same position and same way and looked at from the same angle, looking kind of back over its shoulder. To be clear, the scene image is what the human is looking at, and then there is sensors connected to the brain that's creating the reconstructed image. the computer hasn't seen this scene image.

Only the human sees this, and this is entirely constructed from a brain skin. That's right. So they can sense what you are looking at and completely reconstruct it. And look at how identical these images are. Now, you know, you've got a stop sign, and it got a stop sign as well as the word stop.

The only thing that's missing there is the four-way thing underneath it. It didn't quite reconstruct that exactly. And then when you look at the pieces of pizza, it is a little bit more orderly in the way that it put the pizza together that's there. But even when it gets some of the details wrong, it still has the basic orientation there. Scroll it up a little bit, the snowboarder that is there. Take a look at the snowboarder. So here the basic orientation is right, even though the snowboarder has one leg up, the arms are still extended. and still in basically the same orientation.

It's going down the snow with a shadow of this main cast. But it is truly amazing. Yeah, show the baseball one. That's another good one that's there. So the baseball thing, you've got three different people. And they're all basically in the same orientation. The one, again, on the left is the actual picture that the human is looking at. The one on the right is the reconstruction by scanning his, by monitoring his brain.

and then the computer is reconstructing that one on the right. And so you've got a catcher who is squatting and he's got one arm extended out, and that is captured again. And then the umpire behind him, who is in the same crouching position, even though the colors change a little bit. It still has that there. And then moving up to the room, the motel room,

look at that. It even has the same color bed spread there. And the one above it, where you have the motorcycle still in the, exactly the same angle, and it figured out there's a person on a racing motorcycle, even though it got the colors slightly different on that. Truly, it's amazing. Interesting to me, because it's little details that it gets wrong that if you were to remember

this image, you would probably get a lot of these same details wrong, like exactly the color scheme of their clothes. That's right. But it still gets the general color scheme across all three of them. Yeah, there are three people staying there for the skiing thing. And, again, the jet, the military jet. It gets a little bit of the details on the bottom that are different, but it basically has it all there. So it is pretty much getting the gist of it, just as Lance said, you would remember that when you come back.

Now, what is interesting about this, I think, is the fact that it's not just one company that's doing this. There are at least 11, let's say a dozen companies that are out there. I bet you, we didn't look this up, but I bet you every single one of them has got grants from DARPA or some federal. agency, most likely DARPA, in order to do this kind of stuff. You know, what is the use case for something like this? And how did they put it together? Well, this particular company is bragging about how superior their method is. They use fMRI, fMRI, the MRI scanner that you have, they put you in the machine and, you know, scan your brain and things like that.

I had several those done. This is functional MRI. And what it does, instead of looking at the structure of the brain and saying, you know, are there physical alterations to the brain after a stroke or something like that, it looks at changes in the brain that are happening dynamically over time. And so that's what the functional MRI is about. Rather than looking at the physiology or the structure of the brain, it's actually looking at the dynamic brain.

activity. And so to train these models, one of the things that this company is bragging about is that they spend about an hour training it, and their competitors might spend 40 hours training it. And they get far superior results. It truly is amazing when you look at how long they spend training it and how much better their recognition is, you know, being able to sense what you are seeing and thinking about and basically reading your mind and so it is the brain interaction transformer they call themselves bit now what what they do what is the training well it turns out that everybody has these localized um patch level uh image features and um so they call them the um they call them uh clusters okay and so

So they're looking at brain voxel clusters. And they say, all humans have this. But these clusters will be located in different places on different subjects. Same thing, but it'll be slightly moved around. You know, when you have a stroke, they call it brain plasticity. And so when you have a stroke, part of your brain dies. And if you get the functionality back, it's because another part of your brain has taken up that activity. And they said, so some very, very young children, maybe in infancy, might have a stroke that would affect, for example, their speech.

And what they found is that even though that might reside on one side of their brain versus the other side of the brain, those young children, when they have the stroke that affects the side of the brain where normally speech would be, they found that as they learned to speak, the other side of their brain picks it up. And so that's what's called brain plasticity. In other words, it can adapt and train that other side of the brain to take over those functions. So that's what they're basically looking at here with these voxel clusters. They know that, you know, certain things are going to be fired. They just don't know exactly where that's going to be in a person's brain.

So they spend an hour mapping those things out. And then they get very, very accurate results. And what they do is they split it into two different, um, aspects. One of them is the semantics, and I think what that does is kind of give them a context. So when you look at how, oh, you've got two people standing and they're kind of standing in this particular orientation, picks up that, and then the other one is more about the details that are there. And then they run these two different paths. So first they have programs that are looking at the voxel clusters, creating a kind of semantic context. The other one is

creating a context for the features, and then they take the output of those two things and put them into something else that combines and sums those things together to give them that kind of image. It's pretty interesting in terms of the technology that is there, but I think it is absolutely abhorrent that they're doing this. I can't think of any reason for them to do something like this. Now they'll come up with some kind of a fake justification, just like they're talking about with the creating babies with a hatchery.

Oh, well, we'll do it to save people from some kind of genetic disease. And they're leaning into that excuse, leaning into that narrative by calling their company preventive, right? But these are the kinds of things. When we look at this, actually, you know, Lance pull up the one that says, it's titled Brain Interaction Transformer. And when you look at that chart, you'll see that in their chart, when they're talking about the cross transformer module, they've got that listed there, and guess what they misspelled transformer I'm being a little bit of a grammar Nazi here but I got to just say that you know we're talking about things like this the little details matter and I wonder what happens when you switch some of

the stuff reconstructing things and it's a critical mission I don't know to be honest this sounds a lot more like a Decepticon ploy than the Transformers to me but what do I know yeah it sounds pretty crazy to me look at one last one here and that is comparing their images to these other models that are out there. Their company is called Brain IT, and they compare it to some other companies, Mind Turner, Mind I-2, NeuroVLA. And so look at this. We're the best mind reader on the market right now.

Yeah, that's absolutely right. So, you know, when you're... The interesting one, I think, is the last one, the neurovLA, because it always gets the object correct. but it gets it in a very different context. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, so that first row there, you're seeing a bowl of some white stuff. Maybe it's oatmeal or something, and you're seeing a banana right next to it. And then when you look at the neurovLA, they've got a bowl, and then they've got a banana,

but it's not at all in the same orientation. And brain IT was able to do that. And you see that repeated over and over again. They kind of get some of it, but they don't get all of it. And, you know, it's kind of interesting. What it reminded me of was this. Mr. Vindman, Ghostbusters.

Well, good guess, but wrong. Remember that from Bill Murray and the mind-reading thing? Opened up Ghostbusters. I wonder if they shock these people who created these models, they get it wrong. Tell me what you think it is. Is it a star? It is a star.

Very good. That's great. And yet you can see from behind him that it wasn't. Think hard. Circle. Close. It's square. But definitely wrong. Okay.

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You're not cheater's right? No, I swear, they're just coming to me. Okay. Nervous? Yes. I don't like this. You only have 75 more. to go. Okay? What's

this one? Just a couple wavy lines. I'm sorry. You got it right. Dave. Um, um,

um, it's you, well, I, but it's, I, get a little tired of this. You volunteered, didn't you?

We're paying you, aren't we? Yeah, but I didn't know you were going to be giving me electric shocks. What are you trying to prove here anyway. I'm studying the effect of negative reinforcement on ESP ability.

The effect? I'll tell you what the effect is. It's pissing me off. Well, then maybe my theory is correct. You can keep the five bucks I've had it. I will, Mr. Keep the five bucks. I wonder why they pay these people to go through an hour of MRI.

It's a kind of resentment that your ability is going to provoke some people. Yeah. Yeah, that's kind of interesting. but now they're doing it for real. Okay, they're going to use AI to read people's minds. And again, when they list out a table and they compare themselves percentage-wise to these other people, you see that there are 11 of these companies that are out there doing this stuff. And who is paying them?

I bet it's some evil organization like... ...you know... ...and... ...to... I don't know. Is it all just about the winning? When we look at this, is it winning everything and the only thing? No, I don't think that's the case.

We really need to have meaningful moral reform. You know, there's an excellent article, and I've talked about William Wolverford's in the past, but there's an excellent article talking about what he wrote in 1807 when he stopped the slave trade. And we're not going to go through all the details of it, but just to make you aware of it. It was called a letter on the abolition of the slave trade by William Wilberforce.

It was published less than a month before the British Parliament voted overwhelmingly to abolish the slave trade. And it encapsulates two decades a relentless effort by Wilberforce. One historian aptly described that parliamentary vote as, quote, one of the turning events in the history of the world. And it was. Slavery has always existed at every time and in every culture. But it was William Wilberforce, who single-handedly started to turn this tide, and he did it because of his Christian principles. And that's the point of this article, to talk about how effective and how necessary it is for Christians to hold to those principles.

It's not just about winning. It's not about that at all. The whole reason he did this fight and understand, take this. the biggest things that are out there. This is like one guy taking on all of the technocracy. Or one guy taking on all of the oil industry or all the military industrial complex or all the pharmaceutical complex or roll those all together. Big pharma, big food, the military industrial complex, roll those all together. That was slavery at the time in his country.

He took all that on and he won. And he won because he stood on principle. Wilberforce's work is not merely historical. It provides a timeless model for how Christians can and should engage in public life. It calls us to integrate faith, reason, and courage into our engagement with public policy. Wilberforce's approach to public policy was unapologetically grounded in Christian morality. By the way, this article is from Christian Post. He spoke boldly as a Christian in Parliament addressing his nation's accountability to God.

even in a society that might appear more receptive to Christian values on our own, such declarations were not always welcome. Mm-hmm. Yeah, not even in Britain at that time, which is far more accepting of Christian values than America is now. Wilberforce begins and ends with a solemn warning. He said the slave trade was an abominable evil that placed the British Empire under the judgment of God. His moral clarity cut through the political expediency, challenging his contemporaries to see the slave trade, not as an economic necessity, but as a profound moral failing. Same thing is true of abortion today, isn't it?

And so many other issues. We always have culture is downstream from religion and politics is downstream from culture. Willerforce paired his moral convictions with meticulous research and evidence. He often spent 14 hours a day studying and gathering facts about the slave trade. A pace that he eventually moderated for the sake of his health. The rigorous preparation, though, allowed him to systematically counter every objection raised by his opponents. Folks, if you don't read, you can't lead. You've got to lead with the facts,

especially if you're going to do things in the name of truth and the name of morality and do things in the name of God you've got to lead with the truth and you've got to know what that is in his letter on the abolition of the slave trade Wilberforce methodically dismantled pro-slavery arguments

presenting a case so thorough so compelling that it could not be ignored his work underscores the importance of combining moral passion with intellectual precision and a lot of hard work, right? He said it's not enough to simply declare what is right. We have to also engage in reasoned, evidence-based advocacy.

Whether the issue is religious freedom, the sanctity of life, or justice for the marginalized we must be prepared to make our case with clarity and convictions for us today. He faced fierce opposition from powerful interests tied to the slave trade and to colonial economies, and at one point he was challenged to a duel by a slave ship captain, and he received multiple death threats yet he pressed on with unwavering determination. Wilberforce confronts his opponents head on in his book, arguing that the abolition of the slave trade would ultimately benefit the economy. He declared that even if economic losses occurred, the moral imperative to end, quote, the

most enormous crime of slavery outweighed everything else. You know, we have to understand, and the founders of this country understood, that prosperity, like liberty, are a blessing from God. And that should be our first concern. Our first concern should be to seek God's blessing. And that means that we follow the principles that he laid out. As I say here on the Christian Post, for Christians today, engaging in public life often means standing against cultural tides, enduring criticism, and hostility.

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You know, Oh, And so, I'm going to be able to be able to, you know, and I'm going to, you know, and I'm going to, and I'm, and I'm, and, you know, and. Hi, my name is Brian Hooker, and I'm the chief scientific officer, for Children's Health Defense. And I want to talk to you about an important initiative of CHD called the COVID Index. This is the information that the powers it be did not want you to see. This web repository refutes the narrative, the official narrative, regarding COVID-19.

It has a very, very comprehensive, easy-to-use search engine so you can search readily and also get direct excerpts from every entry in the COVID index. There's so much information out there that needs to be curated, and this is a place where it has been done and is being done continuously. So I highly recommend that you check out this resource at www.covidindex. All right, welcome back, and that was a little, introductory video that you'll find at that site, COVID index.S. Science. I didn't even know that at a dot science. I guess they did that in honor of Fauci. It'd be interesting to get the

domain name. I am dot science. Joining us now is Dr. Brian Hooker with, he's a chief scientific officer at Children's Health Defense, formerly the department chair and professor emeritus of biology at Simpson University. And I have been following his very valuable research and the very valuable things that children's health defense had through this massive pandemic McGuffin that we always talk about. And it's good, you know, we can look at this stuff and we can understand the motivations of these people and we can sanity check it. But it's important to have the scientific information that's there as well.

And that's what Dr. Hooker provides. You know, it was actually Children's Health Defense and I think ICON that when they sued the CDC, the CDC is part of the vaccine holding them not responsible for any damage that they did to the kids. I forget the exact name of it, the 1986 Act. And you probably know what that is, Dr. Hooker. What is that, what's that name of that official act? It's called the 1986 National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act. And they set up the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program in, in a,

program was up and running at about 1989. And they were supposed to be tracking as part of that agreement. They were supposed to track the adverse events and to make recommendations and so forth. And so I remember RFK Jr. and Dell Bigtree at ICON asked them, you know, we'd like to see your records and see what recommendations you have made and so forth and so on. They stalled and stalled and stalled and wouldn't comply with it. Finally, they had a judge that forced them to give the information. You could see that for 30 plus years, they had not been concerned about any of this stuff. They'd kept no records at all.

And so it's very important when we come into this. If we understand what the priorities of these people are, that it's not your health, that it's the profits of the corporations and the revolving door that it's there, that's an important thing to start with. But what Dr. Hooker has provided is beyond that. And it gives us the tools that we need in order to try to help educate people. And they've got a new resource now, COVID-index. So with that long introduction, thank you so much for joining us.

I really appreciate you coming on today. Well, you're very welcome. And I'm excited that Children's Health Defense is hosting COVID index. It is such an amazing repository of information of all things around the COVID era. And now what's going on, the post-COVID era? You know, the mess that was created by the whole pandemic, needs to be cleaned up and that's you know the fallout we're continuing to see publications come out um and publications that we feel are are bad or fraudulent that are not a good science we want

to make sure that those are critiqued in the covid index and then also the good science that's coming out so people will know you know what's going on with things like remdesivir hospital protocols the vaccine, the therapies that work that have been disparaged like Ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine and vitamin D3 and zinc. And, you know, so we've got sort of a historical basis. And we've built this edifice of information. And it's and it's a living database. We're always updating the COVID index. So when things come out, then we can feed. feature the new information and some of the information pouring out like ties to things like autism as well as neurodevelopmental disabilities for individuals that got the shot in pregnancy

is and and also you know one of the things that practitioners are talking about are turbo cancers we're seeing so many turbo cancers that we believe that the vaccine played a role in either causing that cancer or hastening the growth of that cancer. Yes, I remember, and I remember pathologist Dr. Ryan Cole talking in the spring of 2021 as it was really starting to roll out in a large way. He said, I'm looking at patients, and I'm seeing that it's damaging their killer T cells. And he goes, and that's when I first heard the term turbocancer, I think. He was talking about that.

He said, it's really going to cause that to explode because it's your body's first defense against cancer cells is the killer T cells and so I guess the question first question I would have for you what about people who got the shots many of the listeners have hopefully they haven't gotten it but perhaps they have family or friends who have right types of things is are there going to be resources there at COVID index. Science that would help people who have been exposed to this pathogen yes there are resources on recovery from COVID vaccine injury, that is a part of the database. And I would also encourage those individuals that are suffering and they really don't know

where to go because so many practitioners either don't acknowledge that it happens or they'll throw up their hands and say, I have no idea what to do. So I would encourage those individuals to email us at info at children's health defense.org and ask that question directly, you know, I can't really recommend practitioners, you know, in an interview or in that particular setting, but at least we can let people know what practitioners are in the area or what practitioners are specializing in those types of cancers or in those types of difficulties. Like, you know, long COVID vaccine injury is extremely prevalent. A lot of people are having symptoms that are similar to fibromyalgia.

that either got COVID or got the COVID shot and we're finding circulating spike protein in these individuals that got the COVID shot for upwards to two years after they got their last vaccine. So things can be done and things need to be done. Yes, I had an interview years ago with an injured orthopedic surgeon who could no longer work because his hands were shaking and he kept going to fellow physicians and, you know, as soon as he would say you thought it was a vaccine injury and this is what they would they would just basically I can't help you you know they would run away it just tells us so much about the state of medicine right now doesn't it even to the extent that he finally went to somebody and the guy said all right

I've got some things here that I think will help you but we're not going to talk about what caused it I mean that kind of fear is is like a totalitarian Stalinesque state I mean this is the kind of stuff that Solzhen talked about in Soviet Union it is it is And, you know, we were so fortunate, California had a bill to actually codify that. So physicians and providers could not deviate from the standard of care. They could not talk about things that were outside of like remdesivir or Paxlovid or Monopulvinear that were the sort of, you know, patented technologies that were going to give the most money, you know, to government scientists. And so they could not deviate from that line. We could never talk about Ivermectin.

That bill passed, but fortunately it was overturned by a court decision and the bill, the California legislature withdrew it. But many practitioners do not know that, that they have the freedom to be able to deviate from the standard of care. Many are afraid, you know, because of individuals that have been persecuted, that have lost their certifications, things like that.

But, you know, quite honestly, I know the practitioners that have gone through the persecution that have lost their certifications, they fight back, they win. And so many of them are still in practice today. And I'm glad for people like Ryan Cole, for Peter McCullough, for Pierre Corrie, they have really fought the system and are still seeing patients, treating patients, and doing a lot of good. That's great. Yeah.

It is horrific to look at how corrupt the system. is. And, of course, they got a lot of different ways that they can come after you. I'm pretty sure it was a children's health defense article where they were talking about how the insurance companies will come after the pediatricians who don't follow the vaccine schedule and get a certain percentage of their children vaccinated on schedule. They will basically cut across the board what they will pay these, these pediatricians, and basically put them out of practice, even if you don't get some review board to pull their license, they can pull that economic trick on you. I think that was from children's health

defense. They have done that and they threatened that all the time. We were able to get the incentive program for one of the largest HMOs in the United States, and it was Anthem Blue Cross. And what we found was that pediatricians stood to make over a half a million dollars a year, if 63% or more of their pediatric practice was fully vaccinated, they could get $600 per patient if they had 1,000 patients that were fully vaccinated. That was $600,000. And that was a yearly incentive. So, you know, those individuals that have been fired from pediatric practices

because they haven't been following the vaccine schedule, that's why it has nothing to do with health. It has everything to do with a pediatrician online. take. Yeah, that's right. And of course, we look at the whole COVID thing. I was absolutely amazed. I remember it was an August of 2020. The American Hospital Association was saying, wait a minute, you told us you're going to give us a 20% bonus, and now you're telling us that we've got to give you our PCR tests. You told us at the beginning that you didn't have enough of them and that they didn't work anyway. Right. This is amazing. I've been shouting about that now for five

years, and people just don't realize how they use financial strings to get their way with people. and how they were financially incentivizing people. So you just point at them and say they got COVID, $9,000. You put on a ventilator. We're going to give you $39,000. We'll give you a 20% bonus on everything that you do if you say this person has COVID. I mean, the whole thing was bought and paid for, wasn't it? It really was.

And that, you know, there was sort of an economic dearth right during the shutdown because they were shutting down hospitals and telling and taking elective surgeries and things like that and telling them to stay home. So then they waive these incentive programs come, you know, July, August of 2020 to the providers to the hospitals and really, you know, force them into a situation where many of them just had to go along, you know, let's diagnose COVID. Let's diagnose, you know, we're not going to give effective therapies.

We really want to put people on ventilators because they got more money. for ventilated patients and that were in ICU. And so that forced many, many more patients into that whole system where they got worse and worse and worse. And I think a lot of them, David, died of bacterial pneumonia, but they, you know, they were never tested for the, you know, presence of bacteria. And they were allowed to die.

It was just a crying shame. And people should go to jail over this. Yes. Yes. putting people on the ventilator and that type of thing. We have a grace sheriff's case, and they're reopening that again. And that was another one of these cases, just basically hospital murder, but a do not to resuscitate and put it on a ventilator.

But I wanted to ask you a couple of things, because there's been some disappointment with, on my part, and as well as a lot of my listeners with what's going on with Maha, disappointed that the MRNA jab is. is still there. I mean, we've had the process. And I understand there's a lot of inertia here. I understand there's a real political fight there. And I kind of watch this as it's been developing in Florida with Joseph Flatipo there. First, they came back and they said, well, we don't recommend it, you know, but, you know, if you get it, you can go ahead and get it, but they're not going to ban it. And they're gradually moving into that, you know, first saying

we strongly, we don't recommend it. We're not going to force anymore. But now we're strongly do not recommend it, but they won't actually come in with a ban on this kind of stuff. And it's so frustrating because we have seen in the past when a handful of people died over a vaccine or over medicine, they would pull it. And that is not happening now. They will pull it if you got a couple of children who die because of a faulty baby crib. They pull all of them off the market. But they don't do that with this. And so the question is, you know, what is happening? why don't we see a ban of the MRNA? And of course, what Latipo has moved to is to say that now pointing out the fact

there's a lot of DNA contamination in the vaccines and say this is something that should cause you to pull this off the market, but it's not. And so at what point do you think this is going to happen or is it going to happen? I want it to happen desperately. You know, we have things that are not on the open market. that are not sold or distributed ever because they're poisons. We call them poisons. And so when you look at the MRNA shot, it is pure poison.

It is basically, you know, and people, unfortunately, are up in arms that they want their COVID boosters. They want their COVID boosters. I know people personally that are on their seventh or eighth booster. Wow. And they are addicted to these things. And you wonder, like, well, why are you still around? because they are so, so toxic,

and we've seen so many people affected, you know, I believe that in the United States easily. If the calculations were done, we'd see over a million people who have died because of the COVID shot. But the HHS has been dragging its heels, and I think that part of it is, you know, the more the administration end of it and not the HHS. H S and of it because I know, you know, I know Secretary Kennedy.

I worked with Secretary Kennedy for, you know, 12 years before he became Secretary Kennedy. And it is his heart and his plan to be able to get rid of that technology because it's, it was never should have been rolled out. People knew historically that that type of technology was bad news. And it was a grand medical experiment, you know, basically a big. clinical trial that was head up by Tony Fauci and it should have never happened that man belongs in jail you know we're pushing as hard as we can push and and honestly there are people on the inside of HHS that are rooting for us and say no push harder push harder because we have this behemoth

of an organization that doesn't want to change we have deep state people in HHS that don't want to change so we need more pressure and of course when we look at this I I think we really dodged a bullet there with Susan Monterez being taken out of the CDC. And, you know, she was somebody who was at Barta and ARPA-H and very focused on MRNA plus AI. And we know that Trump was pushing that, unlike his first day in office, was Stargate. He had Larry Ellison there saying, yeah, we're going to do an AI assessment of you and we'll custom-make an MRNA thing there. So I was very concerned as to what was going to happen there. And, of course, that's created a lot of pushback against RFK.

And they said, well, you just fired her because of a personal disagreement or some of, you know, insubordination because he wanted some of these other people fired. And she said, no, no, no, I'm not going to fire them. And so he fired her. What do you know about that? Do you think that he gets that that he's pushing back against the MRNA that's basically being put out there for everything? I mean, we had at USDA with this administration with the Trump administration,

We have Brooke Rollins who, with all this bird flu and standing in the mass culling of chickens, so what was happening with Biden, her big solution was, well, we'll give the MRNA bird flu shot to all the chickens, and then that'll be fine. And it also to the cattle and to the pigs as well, all of our food supply. And so she has the authority to approve that for agricultural issues. But on the other side, the MRA things that are there, especially when you combine it with artificial intelligence, very concerning. What do you know about what's going on with Monterez and the rest of the stuff? When you're talking about Deep State, I mean, that's what I think of is Barta and ARPA H and these insidious programs that are out there.

It seems like there's a lot of people in the Trump administration. Trump is working with Larry Ellison. And, of course, Brooke Rollins is in on all that as well. What's your take on that? Well, not, you know, not all that litters this gold, even in HHS. And so, you know, the, by Susan Monteras being fired and then other, you know, CDC officials taking their toys and going home. I mean, they did this huge favor.

Yeah. You know, they needed to be fired anyway. So it's like, okay, you know, don't let you don't let the door hit your butt on the way out. So we were, you know, we were. very, very fortunate to that. There has to be more of a mass exodus of these individuals because MRI technology is sort of this new play toy. Yeah. And scientists think, oh, well, let's plug and play. We can, we can just, you know, program AI to tell us what the next pathogen is. And they have this buzzword that they're hiding behind called universal vaccination. And so

when you look at the buzzword universal vaccination, even Jay Batacharya put it out in a memo talking about a new vaccine platform. It was MRNA written all over it. That needs to go. You know, I've already, you know, emailed him directly and said, you know what? Universal vaccination is code word for gain of function. And so that means that you're weaponizing and you're basically giving permission for scientists in the NIH to, to weaponize H5N1, to weaponize, you know, SARS COV2 or whatever, monkey pox. And so they can have the pathogen du jour. And if that leaks out, then that's the whole pandemic that, you know, Fauci is sitting on the edge of a seat waiting for so we can, you know, somehow swoop in and save the day again.

but these these are bad these are horrible technologies nobody has talked about innate immune suppression that happens when you get mRNA shots nobody's talked about the effect of the lipid nanoparticle on the immune system and i think you shots excuse me i think you mentioned that at the very beginning i remember in the fall of 2020 when they were talking about it there was an article and I think it was you that was involved in it that questioned the idea of this pegulation, the PEG encapsulation, and you said, this is going to create anaphylactic shock. I've told this to people many times. I said, they told you to, you contacted the FDA and said, no, we don't care about it.

Contact Pfizer. Of course, Pfizer doesn't care if the FDA doesn't care. That was you, I think, at Children's Health Defense, was it? It was Children's Health Defense, and I was working with a distinguished colleague Lynn Redwood on that and it turns out that because of exposure to peg 75%

of the population of the United States carries peg antibodies and so that meant you know that and and many people did go into anaphylaxis and you know sudden anaphylactic shock after getting the jab

and so you know it was predictable it was highly predictable why would you code you know this lipid nanoparticle with a known allergen you know it's a recipe for disaster but it's convenient people say oh well you know you have immune reactions all the time they frankly didn't really care they didn't want to do the experimentation they just wanted to roll out a vaccine and they were paid handsomely to the tune of about 250 billion dollars over the course of the pandemic in sales of those shots.

Yeah, it's amazing, how many billionaires they coined with that. But it just shows the utter disregard for safety and health that exist in these institutions and these corporations. I've got a question here from flower sewer. Thank you for the tip flower sewer. Please ask Dr. Hooker,

when children's health defense is going to pursue and promote removing the protection of the pharmaceutical industry hides behind with the 1986 act. Why isn't this a priority for CHDs? Yes. Well, I am so grateful for that question because we are working on it. We're working with key legislators that we can't name right now on, you know, being able to abolish the 1986 Act.

We're also working with HHS, who is trying to re-envision the Act. I mean, frankly, my own opinion is that it just needs to go, that it needs to go away. And then we need, we need guardrails for protection of families of vaccine injured kids. We need at least a one time look back for those that were denied justice, especially around the omnibus autism proceedings. You know, my family, and this is why I fight this, my family was in vaccine court for 16 years. We filed our claim in May of 2002, 202, and we did not get it. decision and we were not allowed to even go to oral arguments because of a sort of a vendetta, I believe that our special master had against our expert witnesses, you know, regarding the

toxicity of mercury. You know, my son got a full wall of mercury from his vaccines. That never should have been in there. And arguably, mercury does cause neurodevelopmental disorders. And so we were never given our day in court. There are thousands upon thousands of families, just like, like that and they all need justice they all need their day on court they were promised that by the seventh amendment and the 14th amendment and they were never given it and that's one of the things that was the key aha moment for me when i found out about the 1986 act very important that's why you know i've talked many times about uh dr andrew wakefield's movie right uh 1986 the act i think is the name of it and um it's a dramatization of how it affects a family when you do something like that

Basically, that shows what this is truly all about. And that should be the moment. I think we need to spread the news far and wide. If we can't stop this, if people at least understand that they have absolutely no liability. And that, as we said before, if somebody, you've got a crib and you might have one or two freak accidents with that crib, they recall all of them and mass of fines for the manufacturers. But nothing for this, no matter how many people they kill. it's absolutely amazing the damage that they're allowed to get away with it and that it's that type of stuff that you know i look at and it's like okay well i know what's going on here that's how

i make my decisions but it's always good to have a scientist who's going to go through and tell people what the mechanisms are to get them to understand that you know there was just a recent article on reason i haven't covered it on the show yet but i was absolutely stunned to see this article from reason saying, well, we were told we're all going to die. And look, I'm still alive. I got the vaccine. I know a lot of people got the vaccine and they're still alive. And again, this is another one of the issues why when you have the COVID index. Science, it's good to have the truth that is out there. We had a lot of people who made predictions that everybody that got this vaccine is going to be dead within a year or so. A guy that I used to work for said that. And that is

making the that is essentially an alibi for these people because they can point to that exaggeration and say that didn't work and of course when reason looks at this they should know first of all that the statistics are being suppressed they're being lied to about it they understand that they see that all the time whether you're talking about unemployment figures or we're talking about inflation figures they know the government lies with statistics they should expect that the government is going to lie with statistics about this when they rush something to market. But the other part of it is, is the individual variation that we see from person to person. But there's the third thing I wanted to ask you about. And that is, there was research

that was done by Naomi Wolf. And they went through and looked at the different batches. I remember at the very beginning of this, again, back in August, September, the CDC was putting out information about a form that they wanted the health providers to collect information on about the vaccine. And so they wanted all your personal. information, your address and so forth and so on. And the only other thing they kept about the vaccine was the lot number. And I talked about that at the time because I said it's kind of ominous that they get all this personal information and there's a box there that says refused. I said, what are they going to do with that? And so I said, you know, be aware of that

that's there that, you know, they're going to keep a record of you if you refuse. But they kept the lot information. And she went back in her research and they found a tremendous variation. And they found a tremendous variation, I think it was like 30-fold, from the least to the most active ingredients that were in there. Is that something you're aware of? Is that something that is still going on? It is still going on. And lot-to-lot variability with this type of technology is, you know, very, very, you know,

the margins for error are really, really large. And that's not something you want to see in anything that you would put in your body. We saw that, you know, the first batches that were rolled out, um, had so many adverse events that, you know, maybe 80,000, 60,000 would be distributed. And then they would quietly pull them off the market and not tell anybody that that was a hot lot. And you can actually go, you know, to a tracking site that tracks the adverse events on bears. And just Google how bad is my batch. Yeah. And that will tell you, you know, what adverse events have been reported for that particular batch of vaccines. That's the lot of information that you need. And we know

that historically, lots and lots of vaccines, not just the COVID shot, have been subject to this level of, you know, poor biotechnology processing. You look at the Merck-MMR, vaccine, MMR2 that was introduced, I believe, in the United States in about 1978, nobody knows the exact concentration of virus in that vaccine. Nobody has ever really done the quality control. And so the lot-to-lot variability is very, very high. And the only thing that we do know because of whistleblowers that have come out of Merck is that the maximum concentration of virus in that vaccine is much, much higher than what the FDA ever approved. And so it's another grand medical experiment.

And we know when that happened, it happened in 1999, they started doing a process called overfilling the batches and boosting the virus concentrations. That's when anaphylactic shop really started in earnest and death really started in earnest for the MMR vaccines after they boosted those virus concentrations. So you can see it clear as the nose on your face if you do a VERS analysis. Wow. And that's the other thing, too. You know, besides the fact they don't have any liability, so they don't have to care.

It's just the lackadaisical, haphazard attitude of this. Of all things, medicines and pharmaceuticals that are very concentrated, they are carefully controlled in terms of the amounts of whatever that it is that you're getting. And I always looked at that, and I kind of thought, Dr. Hooker, that maybe what they were doing was that was maybe part of the experience. experimenting on everybody because when you're trying to roll out something, you're trying to find the sweet spot between something that is going to be toxic because it's too much and something's going to be ineffective because it's too little. I said it looks to me like a massive experiment to play around with people. But it's just absolute disregard for any standards of safety or medicine that's there.

really it is it is abysmal and when you look at the level of contamination in biologics you know FDA is separated into two divisions two main divisions are centers there's the centers for drugs evaluation and research and the center of biologics evaluation and research is called seber but historically those biotech drugs they come from a soup that has been fermented with a particular genetically modified organism. A lot of times it's E. coli that is involved in that. So you get carryover of E. coli proteins. You get carry over of yeast proteins.

You get carry over a foreign DNA. And in the case of the MRNA jabs, then you have carryover of virus particles like SV40. And SV40, we know causes cancer. It is known to be carcinogenic. Yeah. It's just awful. I've got a couple of questions here.

Several questions, as a matter of fact, from the audience. Jerry Alitalo says, please ask Dr. Hooker how he feels about ENF, A-K-Y-L-D-I-Z, public admission that COVID-M-R-A injections are nanoscale machines programmed for human injection. I don't know who that individual is. Are you familiar with this work and that statement? No, I don't know. I'm not familiar with the work, but, you know, I will say, I have not observed this directly. I obtained some of the mRNA technology shots, myself, examined them under the microscope, you know,

just use face contrast microscopy to see what I could find and then tried to incubate it over a period of time at physiological temperature. And the backs that I saw did not have that in it. I'm not saying that it doesn't because again, you know, David, nothing surprises me anymore. When I see the things that the government has gotten away with and knowingly gotten away with, you know, with horrible poisons that should have never been introduced like remdesivir. Yeah. You know, remdesivir killed the organs that caused the lungs to fill up with fluid. And then the patients had to be intubated to force the fluid out of the lungs.

because the tissue in the lungs was dying. So so many different things have been foisted. Is that technology readily available and off the shelf? Oh, most definitely. Most definitely they could do that. Did they do it? That's something I'm still investigating, and I honestly do not know. Let me ask you this.

This is something else I covered. I remember when it happened. In Japan, they had two different batches of over a million each. It's like one was a million. there was like 1.2 million of these Pfizer or Moderna MRNA things. And they noticed that there were black particulates in it. And they also noticed that they interacted with magnets. And they threw all of them away.

And that was briefly reported and then he then disappeared. And I was just wondering, are you familiar with that? Could you verify that that happened? Anything? I know individuals that you could do that experiment on. and, you know, at the injection site, and it was magnetic. Wow. What I make of that was there, you know, were there magnetic particles in the vaccine?

Yeah, the technology exists. So it is, we need all of the documentation of Pfizer. There's a big, big reason why Pfizer wanted to seal those records for 76 years. Yeah. Because, you know, that is, you know, we're going to find a witch's brew in there. Yes. And the connection with DARPA, yeah. Connection with DARPA and BART and everything right there, that points the witch's brew of some sort.

I was just wondering if maybe, you know, it showed up in Japan because of the long travel time, maybe there was an issue with refrigeration because the unusual issue about how unusually cold it had to be kept. But it's also, it seems like the Japanese are a little bit more open and honest about some of these things. They were the first ones to report about the biodistribution. issues. And that was something that people reported on that got severely punished in the West, but they reported it in Japan. Exactly. I'm thankful for that information because we didn't know the biodistribution. We were told lies. And I think that they were bold-faced lies. I don't think that they were just mistakes or miss speaking. I think those people had the distribution.

They did animal studies. Surely they had the distribution information at that time. In fact, what was leaked in Japan was a Pfizer document. Mm, yes, yes. Got another question here from Karen Carpenter, 27 with Nights of the Storm. She says, question, please comment on Susan Monterez and the Vaccine Safety Data Link. Is the VSD accessible for studies? That is a horrible mess. And I think that we need to apply pressure on HHS.

I think we need to apply pressure on Congress to open up the vaccine. safety data link. The vaccine safety data link is a ongoing record of about 10 million patients enrolled in 10 different HMOs. It's all de-identified anonymized. So you can't figure out what patient is what you can't get any type of identity information from that. But the Dr. Daskalakis, I forget his first name, he hid, literally hid, and then bragged about hiding the vaccine safety data link from Secretary Kennedy for the first seven months that Secretary Kennedy was in office. And then Dr. Daskalakis then ended up resigning in protest with Monterez. Now we know it's there. Now we know that the vaccine safety data link is there. But there are

contractual hiccups that keep anybody from getting data from 2002 on. We do not have that information. And we need to demand that information because, you know, there are so many different things. There are so many different vaccines that were introduced that have never been adequately studied. There are even unvaccinated individuals in the vaccine safety data link because it's, it's not required. The patient enrollment doesn't require vaccination. So I know they have it, you know, they have tens of thousands of records for individuals that have never seen a vaccine. So we need all that information. Monterez was hiding it.

Daskalakis was hiding it. It should go to jail. And now the head of the immunization safety office, I believe his name is Mike McNeilis, stonewalling to allow secretary Kennedy and his advisors to get access to that data. Again, it's deep state gurus that have been there. forever they're hiding this information it needs to come open well again it's the sort of thing in another field that i was working in we we were trying to get uh climate data from uh dr michael man and uh it was something that he had done at a public university on their work computers and he had published the information and it had been used to create public policy but he absolutely refused

to show us the data you know when i see something like that same type of thing that we're seeing with Susan Monterez and the CDC doing trying to hide this vaccine safety data, that is an admission of guilt. And it's an admission that you know, science is not on your side. If you are afraid to show people the data and you just want them to do what you say because the position you're in, that is the antithesis of science. I've got another question here from Guard Goldsmith of Liberty Conspiracy said, I wonder if the doctor has any knowledge of breakthroughs for long COVID. I still search finding some interesting hope. What do you think about that?

I, you know, I am not a practitioner, and I know many, many good practitioners that are starting to have breakthroughs using different cocktails of antivirals, antiparacidics, and antibiotics. That's where I'm hearing the success. there are also you know and and and david i thought i'd never hear myself saying this there are also individuals that are using hypochlorite hypochloric solutions you know they're not it's not bleach everybody says oh it's bleach you know uh no these are very very dilute very very safe solutions uh and they're doing uh nasal lavage um on patients that is helping clear the virus that's helping clear the spike. And then there are a myriad sort of recipes.

Homeopathy is, you know, I'm hearing from those practicing natural paths and homeopaths are having really, really good success with long COVID and COVID vaccine injury. So, you know, follow the rule that, you know, try it, do one thing at a time. see if it works. If it doesn't work, ditch it and move on to the next thing. I mean, you know, because you shouldn't suffer. We've brought my son a tremendous amount of way with his vaccine injury that he sustained at 15 months. And my house is the house of many clinical trials, whether it's alopathic, whether it's naturopathic, you know, where it comes from, you know, I honestly don't care

if it's effective. You need to use it. And if it's not effective, then move on. I agree. I look at it. And if it's something that is not going to be harmful. You know, I'll try it. You know, how much does it cost? I'll buy it. Going back to the old song from 1970s. Let me ask you about what's going on with autism,

because I know that you spent a lot of time with autism, focusing on that. I'm looking at this Tylenol thing. To me, it looks like a red herring. It looks like they're trying to dodge the connection for the vaccine stuff. What is your take on that? I mean, I just don't see that Tylenol has, corresponded uptake and Tylenol has changed radically that would explain the radical change in autism.

I just don't buy that at all. What do you think about that? What do you think is happening? Well, I think, you know, I've done a lot of research on this and spent a lot of time with the lead researcher in that whole field of acetaminophen neurodevelopmental disorders in autism. his name is William Parker, you know, I actually sat down with him for five days and said, look, convince me, you know, because he was hounding me about this.

And so the thing that's really convenient about Tylenol is that it is a quick solution to a not-so-quick problem. And I think that, yeah, there are cases that are definitely associated with some type of infection, some type of vaccination, followed by acetaminophen, definitely, you know, sort of a one-two punch. But Tylenol itself is a necessary component, but it's not sufficient. You can't just say, oh, you know, Tylenol is bad. It is the individuals that have genetic susceptibility that then have a huge amount of oxidative

stress like multiple vaccines all at the same time. and then you add Tylenol to the mix, that's really the perfect storm. So you can't just take care of one and say, oh, we've broken the chain. All of them need to be taken care of. All of them need to be addressed. I think that the administration came out with regarding Tylenol because they thought it's an easy fix. But, you know, it is we didn't get here just from Tylenol. We got here from years of abuse of the system and that needs to be fixed.

And then we can see the autism epidemic go away. That's good. Yeah, I feel like, you know, when you look at this, it seemed to coincide with a rapid escalation of the vaccine schedule. And what is going on with that? You know, what is happening with that? I know you were involved with the measles issue, you know, where they said a couple people died in Texas

and you investigated that with the families. I know the media is still selling that narrative. I think you effectively debunked that that was what it happened there. Yeah. Yeah, they died of bacterial pneumonia. It was left untreated. Yes. But I'm still seeing mainstream articles say, oh, they killed two people and so forth.

And, you know, so what are the chances of us pulling back on this vaccine schedule? I know that it's tremendous support within the bureaucracy and the corporations and the media. And I guess that's another part of it. What's going to happen with the ads, the issue with that? I know that RFK Jr. has talked about that. Well, my hope is. that you know direct to consumer pharmaceutical advertising will go by the wayside i mean it's gotten ridiculous it is absolutely you know and then i watch news and old people tv so you know my my wife is a

serial addict to the hallmark channel and so it's it's it's all the drugs biologics and vaccines that you can push on old people yeah you know every day every ad it is very infrequent that you see anything else and so those need to be pulled they and and i believe that secretary kennedy is working stepwise to get there to i believe that they're de facto fraudulent you know in the sense that you know ask your doctor well you're not you don't understand that they're not giving you all the information that you need to make an informed decision and and so it is really fraudulent what they're putting out there even if they have somebody rattling off very rapidly all the adverse effects that they are going to talk about. It's still not sufficient to be truthful, I think. No, no, it doesn't tell you tell you how

effective that particular therapy is. It doesn't tell you how the effect of the vaccine is at preventing that particular disease. I mean, we see, you know, over and over again, RSV, shingles, pneumonia, you know, flu over and over again. But they don't, you know, the dirty little secret is some years that when you get the flu shot, you're more likely to get the flu. than if you didn't get the flu shot. Oh, yeah. And so, you know, they, I've seen that over and over again.

Yes. Pretty much every year. People who get it, they get it right away. Yeah. And we know individuals that got the trivalent, the quadrivalent flu shot, got them for their babies. And the babies died within hours. I mean, we're investigating several cases of sits right now.

That were the quadrivalent flu shot. Wow. And it's just, it's such a shame. You know, when you see these babies die. yes um and then you know the entire system is there to cover it up we want to be able to expose it that's just horrific yeah i've played a clip several times of a lady that was on social media and she said it wasn't until she saw the sudden adult death syndrome stuff that was out there that it clicked with her and she said i killed my baby and i said so many times i wish i could talk to her

she didn't kill her baby as people who lied to her people who knew better who killed her baby for money That's the saddest thing about it. I've got a couple more comments here. Real Jason Barker with Nights of the Storm. So the CDC took down the publicly available tools that show excess death spikes after the vaccine rollout. That's very damning info right there in reply to a person who said, I can't even get the excess death statistics anymore. I could in 2022 for every year since it started to be recorded. What's going on with that?

And do you have that information there at COVID index. that science that has been pulled down and and i believe that that's addressed in covid index dot science we do not have the new data regarding excess deaths and it is weird because i published on excess deaths in the department of defense medical epidemiological database i published on excess deaths in 2022 um from you know from the rollout of the vaccine and all of a sudden just dried up, CDC was no longer reporting excess deaths on their website. There's so many show games on, you know, you go to the National Center for Health Statistics. They never, they never say flu deaths.

They always say influenza and pneumonia. They combine those two categories. So people will get scared and get their flu shots, even though they're not effective at preventing death, preventing serious illness, and many times not even effective at doing the flu. So, yeah, a lot of those databases are pulled down. I do encourage any and everybody to FOIA the CDC for specific information. It's as simple as an email. Just, you know, FOIA request at CDC.gov, FOIA request at cdc.gov.

You know, put very concise language of what you want. Limit, you know, the ask to specific information. And then by law, they have to respond to you. within 30 days. Yeah. I remember when they did that with the Defense Department's database of D-Med stuff. I remember there's some doctors that saw how things were exploding in a lot of different areas.

And their absurd reply was, well, not that there was something going on with the vaccine, but they went back and they looked at it. They compared it over five years. They said, well, all of our data for five years is wrong. And it's like, come on. And then the next thing, you know, they pulled it all down. I mean, if this isn't the most juvenile cover. up. It's just absolutely amazing. It would be comical if it wasn't so horrific what it's doing to

people's lives. I've got, let's see, Bulldog says they could have very specifically targeted people by a lot number. Yeah, they could. S.G. Sutton, can Dr. Hooker tell us about the volunteer opportunity with the COVID index? Oh, that is so good. That is such a great question. If you look at the COVID index.Science, there is a box that you can click on to volunteer. And these volunteers, they're basically individuals that go out and they get new information, newly published information for the COVID index. They curate it. You know, it's very, very simple.

You fill out a very, very simple form. And then once you fill out that form, then it goes to a, very small committee and then they give you thumbs up or thumbs down like oh yeah this you go on the covid and it's about 95 percent of it does go into the index but that helps us keep it up to date we have an army of volunteers that does that and we're recruiting more volunteers uh you get free COVID index merch you get free CHD merge and we love our volunteers we want I mean there's I know there's a lot of people out that that want to help they're really studious and nerdy like me and they like to read this literature. And so, you know, if that is your vibe, if that's the thing that you like to do,

make sure that you check out that volunteer opportunities tab on COVID-index.S. Science. That's great. That's great. And again, yeah, COVID-index.coms. And they have, I guess, most of the one-minute videos that you can just very easily click on the thing and share it on social media. Get this information around. That's the most important thing. People are not informed or they're misinformed about what's going on here. And so it's very important to get those videos that they've put together out there. I got one more question here from Karen Carpenter when Nice of Storm says, does Dr. Hooker think that ultrasound and Wi-Fi EMF could play a role in autism? What do you think about that? I absolutely believe that it plays a role in autism.

A lot of autism researchers have looked into this and they find statistically significant correlations with EMF, you know, there was very little reason for 5G. 5G is basically there for surveillance purposes, not so you can have better internet, but so the government can know more about you. And so you look at all these, you know, new technologies, the internet of things. So, you know, my phone can talk to my computer, my refrigerator, and, you know, my ironing board or whatever that is producing energetic signals it's producing energetic signals in the IR range in the you know in the microwave range and that is bad for you I mean there's nothing

good about it I mean if I had my choice my my my own house would be hardwired yeah but what we do is we turn off our devices and Wi-Fi at night and have just like an old clock that it tells us the one that you have to change during daylight Degenstein and just tells us what time it is you know just sleep with it off sleep just if just start with turning your Wi-Fi off because there is a connection I don't believe that it's completely causal but there is a connection with Wi-Fi and with excitatory excited toxic processes in the brain and you still don't want to stimulate that I agree I mean when I was

going back trying to do some research on Moncef Slawey I found all these different conferences that he was speaking at, Fouchy was speaking at, and Francis Collins was speaking at, and they were all talking about electrocyticals. And I thought, well, this is going to be the next big thing, electrocyticals. And it's like, okay, well, if you're going to treat people electrically with things like that, then clearly EMF is going to have a big effect on people. Yeah, it's a tacit admission, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, exactly. EMF does have an effect, if we can manipulate it to, you know, do, you know, some type of medical intervention, then what is it doing every day? Yes, exactly. And, you know, we had Alan Frye who worked for the Navy doing experiments, and he documented the Frye effect, which you can, certain frequencies, you'll hear it, like a clicking type of thing.

You know, just like we had, you know, the military discovered microwave cooking, you know, the radar ranges of a manna in the early days. you know, they didn't just notice that the coffee was getting hot. Well, if you see something like that, there's a little bit of smoke there. There's got to be a fire there somewhere as well, I think. I started looking at that in conjunction with the Havana effect that was out there because people were saying they were hearing a clicking stuff. It's like, oh, wait, that sounds like the fry effect.

Maybe that is some kind of directed EMF. And I'm not sure. And I got another question here. We're just about out of time. This is from Jerry Alitalo. He says, please ask Dr. Hooker how he felt immediately after listening closely to DARPA Associated Neuroscientist James Gendaro's horrifying public lectures. Thank you.

You know, I am, that one stumped me. I know of those lectures. I just don't know enough about those lectures. I apologize. I, you know, I should know this information. And my defense is that we're playing whack-a-mole with everything right now. That's right. There's so many.

I mean, these people have billion-dollar. our budgets, and they're constantly coming up with one bizarre Frankenstein experiment in the other. It truly is a scary situation that we find ourselves in this particular time. It is an interesting time, and it is a very dangerous time. But thank you so much for the work that you do at Children's Health Defense and for the COVID Index.S.com. Thank you, Dr. Huger. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you. We're going to be able to be.

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