The David Knight Show - Fri Episode #2181: Medical Lies & The Collapse Of The American Dollar

Episode Date: January 16, 2026

00:02:22 — Challenging Virology Cost Them EverythingKnight introduces Drs. Mark and Sam Bailey, detailing how questioning virology and COVID orthodoxy destroyed their careers and livelihoods. 00:05:48 — A Farewell to Virology and the Collapse of the Virus ModelMark Bailey explains why decades of failed transmission experiments led him to reject the foundational claims of virology. 00:12:29 — Measles “Outbreaks” Defined Into ExistenceThe Baileys dismantle how modern measles outbreaks are declared through testing, incentives, and definitions rather than illness or deaths. 00:18:55 — One “Case” Is Enough to Lock Down a NationDrawing on New Zealand’s COVID response, they show how a single labeled case can justify sweeping emergency powers. 00:24:23 — The UK Cold House Proved Nothing for 40 YearsKnight connects failed cold and flu experiments to the broader mythology behind modern coronavirus narratives. 00:31:33 — Vaccine Statistics Are Manipulated by DesignThey expose how vaccinated individuals are often reclassified as “unvaccinated” to preserve claims of vaccine success. 01:01:03 — Bank Accounts Frozen for “COVID Crimes”Sam Bailey recounts being secretly bankrupted, debanked, and travel-restricted over COVID fines later ruled unlawful by a judge. 01:12:56 — Gold Signals the Death of Dollar DominanceGerald Celente argues soaring gold prices reflect irreversible decline in U.S. financial power driven by debt and war. 01:22:35 — An Iran War Would Trigger a Global DepressionCelente warns oil price spikes from war with Iran would crash markets, fuel inflation, and tip the world into depression. 01:28:54 — Gen Z Revolts Are Global and Just BeginningHe documents youth uprisings worldwide, arguing a generation with no future left is becoming the decisive political force. 01:39:03 — Media Banned From Saying “Kidnapping”Celente exposes BBC directives forbidding reporters from calling Maduro’s seizure a kidnapping, revealing coordinated narrative control. 02:02:37 — Only a Cultural Renaissance Can Reverse the CollapseHe closes by arguing that facts alone no longer matter—only moral, cultural, and spiritual renewal can halt the slide into war, surveillance, and decay. Money should have intrinsic value AND transactional privacy: Go to https://davidknight.gold/ for great deals on physical gold/silver For 10% off Gerald Celente's prescient Trends Journal, go to https://trendsjournal.com/ and enter the code KNIGHT Find out more about the show and where you can watch it at TheDavidKnightShow.com If you would like to support the show and our family please consider subscribing monthly here: SubscribeStar https://www.subscribestar.com/the-david-knight-showOr you can send a donation throughMail: David Knight POB 994 Kodak, TN 37764Zelle: @[e-mail] App at: $davidknightshowBTC to: bc1qkuec29hkuye4xse9unh7nptvu3y9qmv24vanh7Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-david-knight-show--2653468/support.

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It's the David Knight Show. As the clock strikes 13, it's Friday the 16th of January, Year of Our Lord, 2006. Well, today we have a very interesting story, a couple of bombshell interviews we have from New Zealand, Dr. Samantha Bailey and her husband, Mark Bailey. and they're both physicians, and they have given up a tremendous amount to tell the truth. As a matter of fact, Sam Bailey is the only person I know that has lost two careers over telling the truth about COVID.

And they've got more bombshell information because the real story about COVID begins upstream with the so-called science of virology. So they're going to be joining us, two fearless truth tellers who have told the truth and who have paid the price. And you won't believe what they did to them in New Zealand. And then we're going to be joined by Gerald Slinty. We haven't able to talk to Gerald because of schedules and things like since before Christmas. And I know everybody is very interested to see what he has to say about trends coming up in 2026, a very volatile year. You're not going to want to miss this. So stay with us.

We'll be right back. Well, joining us now are Dr. Mark and Sam Bailey, Sam short for Samantha. and you can find their website at Dr. Sam Bailey.com. They put it in her name because, although they're both doctors, she was on TV in New Zealand, and she started asking some uncomfortable questions of the establishment. And so I had them on about a year ago, and we were talking about their book at the time was the final pandemic.

And they were pointing out, they were questioning all of virology, which is what they've done. That's got them in a lot of trouble in New Zealand. And so I want to get caught up as to what, happening in New Zealand. And I'd like to get their comments on what's happening in America as the pharmaceutical industry is getting pretty desperate to defend vaccines. And so we're starting to get these narratives about measles epidemics. And I know that they're skeptical of that as I am as well.

So thank you for joining us, Dr. Mark and Sam Bailey. Thank you. Good to have you back. Thank you, David. Pleasure to be here. And yeah, I think you're quite right. Sam in particular has been and some more hot water here in New Zealand. And last year she unexpectedly had her bank accounts frozen. Really? Yes. And then we had the authorities trying to seize some of our family assets because apparently Sam owes them money for COVID crimes.

She's even been charged here in New Zealand with COVID-19. Apparently, that's a charge that they can bring against you. Anyway. Well, they use it to like everybody down, so I guess they could use it to like you up. So they actually have a charge called COVID-19? What is that involved? It's for them, in the medical world, that's with when I, when they had their fake kind of kangaroo court tribunal about me, that's what they charged me with was COVID-19.

And so, yeah, but they said they are, I owe a lot of money because of, yeah, my thought crimes. And, yeah, and they debanked me. And that took, I had to go into court to fight it. and that was quite full-on. Wow. Yeah, it was just, it was really disruptive for several months, David. But Sam had a good result. She took them into the high court, and it was ruled as unlawful.

They're still going after these crazy COVID fines, but they've been told, no, you're not allowed to do what they did, making this attempt to seize bank accounts, etc. So, yeah. Yeah, but it's just, like you say, this is what happens when doctors, like us, who were once in the establishment and Sam was a real golden girl, like you say, she was on network television

and a real favourite. And then come early 2020, she questioned the COVID narrative and said, look, I don't think there's a pandemic at all. And that led to this. So yeah, and like you say, we put out the final pandemic.

That was actually now, was that, 24. Yeah. We put that out. Yeah, it's a couple of years since we put that out. And you've got a new book. You've got a new book that you just put out.

Tell us a little bit about that. Well, I guess it's an older new book. It's the book version of my essay, A Farewell to Virology. Now, I wrote this in 2022 because I felt there wasn't a standalone piece, a treatise, refuting the entire virus model, all of virology. So I wrote this essay. about 29,000 words and it's pretty dry and Sam said there's no way there's no way I could ever make that into a video production and she didn't although filmmaker Steve Falcner did make it into a three-part documentary eventually but we had such positive feedback and we'd reached the

point where the PDF had been downloaded about quarter of a million times and we were surprised because it's a very dry technical paper you know refuting the virus model. And we decided last year, why don't we put it out as a book? And I included a couple of bonus essays that I've written since that time. And that's sold really, really well. It's really thrilling, David, to see this, that we think, you know, not so long ago, people, you know, weren't questioning this stuff on a widespread scale. Nowadays, this is coming up all the time.

And people are not only questioning vaccines, and pandemics, but also the entire virus model. So it's been really positive for us to see that there's a big appetite out there for this work. And we're seeing people now in conversation say, yeah, well, I don't believe in vaccines. And then you'll hear someone say to them, well, I don't think that viruses are, you know, there's sufficient evidence for them either. So, yeah, we see this is the whole thing, the silver lining with the COVID fraud. That's right.

is that it has inadvertently woken people up, and they've gone deeper and deeper into looking into these things. That's right. We talked about that last time, and, you know, it's kind of interesting. It's what we say about government all the time. You may not be interested in politics, but politics is interested in you. And we could say the same thing about virology, right? You say, this might be pretty dry reading, but after what happened five years ago,

I think people need to say, you know, this is something I need to know about. I need to interest myself in this, because this was used. to lock down the world. And if it's going to be used to lock down the world, we need to know a little bit about it. You know, when you're talking about getting... Yes, go ahead. Oh, sorry, no, I was just going to say,

exactly, it's so important. And I think when people, when people, you can't, we can't cold call people and say, look into this. It has to come from the individual. But I think it's really started with there's been a complete lack of trust

in the medical system since after what's happened. People have now distrusting vaccines. And the next question that falls to people, well, do these things even exist? What are they doing to us? And that in itself, that question, when you answer it, is so empowering because it changes your entire way of seeing health and how to be well. And it's a really positive step. And we see it.

There's a great awakening going on. Yes, yes. Well, you know, that is, and I've said this for the longest time, you know, whether we're talking about the Green New Deal or what. you know, it's like, show me your data. I was with a group that had to sue to try to get Michael Mann's data as part of the climate gate thing that happened with East England. And he fought so hard to keep his data secret. Oh, that's kind of suspicious.

I don't think somebody would do that if it was all up and above board. And so that really kind of feeds your skepticism. And, you know, if it's true, you don't need to hide it. And so I think that's the key thing about a lot of this stuff. people saw this throughout the virus stuff. And we saw the heavy hand of censorship. And as you're talking about before, debanking people and that type of thing, I got debanked in May of 2021, five months after we started the show.

And at that point in time, PayPal was where I got pretty much all the contributions that we got was through PayPal. So that was a really big deal when we got cut off in the one place. So now we've made sure that we've got a lot of different places where people can support the show. but I just saw that they've admitted that most of these debank orders are, the debanking is being driven by government, not by the corporations,

just like we saw with the censorship. For the longest time, we said this censorship is coming from the government we can tell because of the pattern in it. And then they admitted it. We got the documents, and you could see that it was actually coming from the government. Same thing true of the debanking as well, as we would all suspect.

So, yeah, it's, let's talk a little bit about it. about measles though. Because we've had here in the United States before we had from going to war with the world and changing the subjects every other day, they were starting to push back against some of the minor changes that are being made at HHS by RFK Jr. I'm glad to see some of these changes. They've reduced the, I don't know if you're familiar with what's going on in the U.S., but they've reduced the vaccine count that they recommend that they're really virtually mandating for children by the pressures that were put on to pediatricians.

They would offer both carrots and sticks to make sure that they would get the kids vaccinated. And so there were penalties associated with the reimbursements they would get from the insurance companies and things like that. So they have pulled back some of these. And we go back and look at the vaccine schedule. I was really surprised to see how many times they would repeat these vaccines. Some of them were given four and five times during childhood. And so they pulled back the frequency and the number of vaccines that are recommended.

And they've also pulled it back to say there's not going to be any penalty if you don't follow the recommendations. So that's positive stuff. But that's really got the vaccine industry fired up. So they were coming back with measles. And so I went to the CDC and I thought it was kind of interesting to see how many cases they had and how many so-called outbreaks that they'd had. Because they put a lot on this South Carolina. and there was another one in Georgia, but South Carolina,

they were really focused on just a couple of months ago. And they were giving us narratives saying that, you know, had a hundred kids or whatever. And I said, yeah, but you notice that they're not saying anybody is hospitalized. Nobody has died.

Even though we had in Texas, I think it was in 2024, they had two cases that they claimed had been, had been fatal. When children's self-defense went in and investigated, they found that that was not the cause of death of these. So that's been disputed. And I think very effectively disputed. But they never in claim that anybody died or was hospitalized out of these cases in South Carolina and Georgia.

And I thought it was kind of interesting, Mark and Sam, that when they define an outbreak, that is more than three cases that are connected. And so they said that 69% of the cases in 2024 were outbreaks. And but then that meant that, 31% of the cases were not. And so it's like, that's kind of strange. If they're telling us that this is the most contagious virus out there, how is it that you're getting all these situations where you have one person or two people that have it and nobody else has it?

And so that raises a question, I think, in my mind at least. What would you tell the audience? I know we talked about this last time we were on. We talked about measles, but kind of give us a refresher course about your position about measles and what you think is going on here, because a lot of people have had an experience with it where most of us in the U.S. had measles at my age. And so the question is, you know,

why did a lot of us have measles back then? Why is it so many fewer right now and why did it appear like it was something that was being passed on to people? You want to speak to that? Yeah, sure. And, David, this comes down to the narrative that the media present, and it's a complicated thing, Because like you say, people will contact us and say, hey, there's an outbreak in the city in the United States and they're all unvaccinated kids and some of them are really sick.

And you have to really pick things back to the whole historical aspects of measles and the basic science. So like you, we would say, first of all, investigate what do they mean by an outbreak? And we find that these days there might be two cases and they're splashing that in the headlines saying outbreak. Now, this is something historically that would have never made national news, let alone caused a murmur in the local community. Nobody calls that an outbreak. But they've changed the language. They've changed the definitions.

Then we have the issue with what is a case? Now, historically, they didn't have any tests, any laboratory tests. So it was all done clinically, you know, so a kid would present with a rash and a fever. and it was up to the doctor to decide what that was. Now Sam and I used to be in the system, and we were trained up in that system, and they'll tell you all of these things, like, oh, no, a doctor knows measles because there's coplick spot, this coplic spots in the mouth, the special sign that you'll see, all this kind of stuff.

And then you look into the research, and you find out that these case definitions are so woolly. You know, most of them don't have these special features. The rashes all look very similar. how do you distinguish between hand, foot and mouth, you know, measles, chicken pox, monkeypox, smallpox. They're all just degrees. They're all just similar presentations, coughs, fevers, runny noses and rashes.

A lot of it comes down to what the doctor decides. Then we have this problem of whether the child has been vaccinated or not. So a lot of the time the child's been vaccinated, you're not allowed to make the diagnosis. you have to look at something else because that doesn't look good. And at other times, there's a special message that goes out to the medical community and there may be incentives to report the cases. You know, you need to suddenly start reporting. So we have to think that these are often artificial situations that we're saying.

Nothing is actually changing in the community, but it's the way it's being presented, the way it's being tested, the way things are being looked for. So, yeah, we know historically, like you say, that many of us last century were given the diagnosis of measles. By definition, it was a very mild condition. And a lot of kids used to celebrate getting it because it meant that they got the week off school. Because of this crazy notion that people thought it was a contagious entity. So for a child, it was a pretty exciting time.

You got the measles. It was a guaranteed week or two off school. while you hit the rash, etc. But these days, as you know, we're being presented with the story that the measles is deadly. It's so, oh, my goodness, imagine if your child got that.

And we're not actually seeing cases or claimed cases where children are dying outside of these very small number of events and incidents where on deeper inspection, on actual looking at the medical records, we find out that these kids were sick for other reasons.

And someone happened to label them or said that they had a co-infection, in quotes with measles at the time. And then the media pick up on it and say, you know, child with measles dies. But, you know, it's clear to us when you look at the medical records that the child was sick for other reasons. That's what happened in Texas with Dr. Brian Hooker and others, yeah. I agree.

Yeah. And so there is, as you point out, sometimes there's an incentive to not report. reported as measles. Sometimes there's an incentive to reported as measles. And it's very similar to what we saw with COVID. The government, the federal government, was giving a bonus to doctors if they would do a clinical diagnosis, pointed somebody that he's got COVID. And so you get a, I think it was $13,000, if I remember correctly. And then towards August of 2020, you had the American Hospital Association and say, wait a minute, you're telling us now that you need some kind of a PCR diagnosis that's here.

You told us at the beginning those didn't work and you didn't have enough of them. And you told us just to do a clinical diagnosis and now you're not paying up. So that kind of blew the cover because there's no honor among thieves, I guess. And so people would start to see things like that happening. And we realize now that that's not just limited to COVID. This is the type of thing they've been running for quite some time, isn't it? Yeah, definitely. And I think what is also interesting is, you know, what Mark was saying with the classification, a serious pathogen.

You only need one case for it to be defined as an outbreak. So that's what happened. We saw in COVID in New Zealand where there was one case and the whole nation went into lockdown. Just to be clear, when Sam says, pathogen, that's in quotes. We don't want people to think. That's on their terms. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, pathogenic is a word, you know, means disease-causing.

Pathogen, they took this term last century and made it up and said, oh, that's microbes, you know, bacteria and invisible or imaginary viruses. But as Sam says, in their system, they will say that you can have one case. And if it's a serious one, they say, that's an outbreak. We now have an outbreak, folks. And, yeah, in countries like New Zealand, they'll shut down the entire. country. That's what happened.

Yeah. Oh, it's crazy. And I think that's one of the key things that many of us don't realize is they haven't really done real science. I'm sure you address that and your farewell to virology. They didn't do real science to isolate a particular thing like a virus or something and then correlate that to the illness to say, well, we got this thing that we find and the people who are sick and we don't find it and the people were well.

And if we take that and transfer it. to the people who are well, they get sick. That's what everybody thinks is happening, but that's not what's happening, right? David, there is a hidden history behind measles. And when Sam and I trained as doctors, they didn't tell us about this. And they presented very selective information.

And they said that there was some monkey experiments that were done early last century that proved that measles was highly contagious. Now that was very disingenuous because when we actually dug into the history, and I've got a note here, researchers like Daniel Reuters, our Australian colleague, have done magnificent work digging up all of these old studies. There were a whole lot of studies in the 1800s, and people would be shocked if they knew what they actually did,

because you'd never get this stuff approved these days past the ethics committees. So they were taking. children and even young ones like babies and trying to give them measles. They were doing everything they could. So a doctor would researcher would locate a case of a kid that was unwell with what was said to be measles. That quickly take snot and tears and even blood from these kids. And then they'd go and try and infect other kids.

Now often they'd just squirt it straight up their nose or, you know, expose their eyes or just put it on their skin, sometimes they would actually make wounds to their bodies and introduce this material, this disease material. They would also inject it straight into other children, so they'd take blood from one child, said to have measles, inject it into another. All failures didn't work.

All they could induce were these local kind of reactions. And they said, because they were so obsessed of showing that there was some sort of contagious element, They said, oh, maybe techniques are insufficient. You know, there were even techniques where they, then they brought monkeys in. And they exposed them to sick humans and the monkeys didn't get sick. So eventually they resorted to taking blood from people, said to have measles, and injected it into these monkeys, these rhesus monkeys and other small monkeys.

Some, not all, some of the monkeys, developed a little bit of a rash around the injection site and a fever. And then they said, well, that proves it. There was a study 1911 Anderson and Goldberger, and this is the one they were sight of saying, well, that's when they showed it was contagious. Now, the rest of us looking at this to say, this is outrageous because the WHO and the CDC,

they say that measles is an airborne disease. it's transmitted via aerosol and that just being in the same room with someone is enough to cause you to come down with the case of the measles. Clearly the research never showed that. They had to do these preposterous experiments where they injected animals with human blood.

And we know, David, that that will cause a reaction because, and even the human experiments they did, sometimes you'll get a reaction because the blood is not cross-matched appropriately. So you don't need a virus to cause these increases in temperature. And none of them recreated the same illness, the classic illness. So completely, this is all hidden. Well, they did the same type of thing.

I learned this from you. They did the same type of thing like from 1940-something and 1980-something, the UK Coldhouse, where they were doing everything they could to transmit colds, people and failed in the same way that you're talking about what they did in the 1800s. Sam has a great video on the Common Cold Unit that people can watch. And it's really amazing. This is where they invented coronaviruses, David. This is where it comes from.

And humans, because they said, yeah, we don't really know what's going on here, but we think it must be viruses. 40 years they operate this facility in England. And out of it comes nothing but virology mythology, where they said that they found about a couple of hundred viruses that seemed to cause common colds. And again, we looked at those experiments, and we were shocked because the vast majority of them completely failed.

And importantly, Daniel Reuters has gone further with his book, Can You Catch a Cold, where he documents hundreds and hundreds of these human transmission attempts, with flus, colds, and they fail. You know, the mode is that most of the experiments completely fail. And this is like extreme. This is people coughing in other people's faces, living in the same room for several days at a time,

and just this complete inability to make the other person sick. And transference of body fluids like, you know, mucus and things like that as well, right? But it seems like, you know, they come up with the name coronavirus. maybe it was based on circular logic, me, virology, maybe that was that, I don't know.

Yeah, well, the story there is, yeah, it's just incredible because, yeah, the coronavirus stuff just pops up all the time. But essentially it was a exercise

where a virologist gave a tissue sample to an electron microscopist June Alameda in the 1960s and said, basically said to her, there's a virus in there. Can you find it?

And she just pointed to something and said, I think that's it. And then forever more, if people see this, they say that's the coronavirus or a coronavirus. Yeah. Pointing to clear, we call it. It kind of reminds me of the etymology of the term computer bug. You know, they had a woman who, they had a malfunctioning machine. They opened it up. There was a bug.

And there says, yeah, that was it. It was a bug. And so after that, we all talk about having bugs inside the software. But it's kind of that same sort of thing. You know, we've got an inkling of this. as everybody was talking about rushing this vaccine into deployment. And I guess that's a good word since it was kind of a military operation. And so they were talking about, we got to speed this up.

He had a lot of true believers out there and said, I'll volunteer. You know, let me have this vaccine. And then you can expose me to it. We can short circuit this. Because the way they would do the testing, that was kind of a harbinger of all this stuff. The fact is that they don't expose people. to the disease that this is supposed to prevent, right? So when somebody is getting a therapeutic, they take somebody who's already sick with the

condition and they give them this therapeutic and they have a control so they have people who get a placebo and people get the new treatment. And they look to see, first of all, the first phase is does it, you know, kill people? So they have just a very small group of people and to check to see if there's really obvious immediate damage that's done. and then if it clears that hurdle, then they start with the phase two and phase three tests where they start to give people that already have this condition

to see if it makes a little bit of a change with them and they look at the efficacy of it based on the difference between the control group and the people who got the drug. But they say with a vaccine, we can't do that. It'd be unethical to, if this stuff doesn't work, it'd be unethical to give this disease to somebody, except that's what they were doing in the cold house. That's what they were doing in these other aerology experiments.

you're talking about in the 1800s. And so in a sense, if they were to do that, they call about a challenge test. If they were to do that, it would show people that there was nothing there in the first place, I think. That's maybe another reason they don't do that because it doesn't seem to be a whole lot of ethics in terms of preventing them from doing a lot of other things.

So it may be that they're just trying to hide cover for virology. I don't know. What do you think? Yeah. Definitely. Yeah. Yeah, David, it's really interesting. You mentioned that because Sam and I both used to work in clinical trials.

Yes. Yeah. You know, and these were in Big Pharma sponsored human trials. We were in the dark side, David. We were trained up in that craft. Yeah. Now, one thing that really struck us when we were involved in that work, and you'll see that in some of our presentations,

like recently Sam did one on vitamin K injections in the newborn. and that is this numbers needed to treat them where they're saying oh we can't do the trial because the numbers need well they don't say that they'll say because the size of the trial would need to be so big

and you're like thinking to yourself why would you need a trial that size for something that's supposedly really effective you know because they're saying we need like 200,000 people in the trial to show that it's effective you know that at that point

it's absolute ridiculousness because the numbers needed to treat, even on their own terms. Maybe explain what that means. Yeah, so that's the numbers you would need to give a therapy to to prevent one event, not to save a life, and it's whichever event you choose. So the event might be sneezing. So you might say, well, we've got this new therapeutic and the numbers needed to treat 900 and it will prevent one sneeze. So clearly telling a person, hey, I've got this treatment that prevents sneezing, a person might say, oh, great, I'll take that treatment.

If you told them, 900 people need to take this medication and one will get the benefit, which is not sneezing, 899 will not get the benefit. And they'll be exposed to all of the potential adverse effects of that medication. And they won't tell you those because they might not have looked at them all. So this is the preposterousness. And like you say, they'll just say, oh, we can't do the trials because of this reason and that reason. And that should be a red flag to people right away as to the fact that this is not an effective treatment. And the only way it can work is through manipulation of the narrative. And it's a big thing.

And it's what pharmaceutical companies really rely on these days and with vaccines. you know, which we're talking about here a lot, the narrative is completely fraudulent, where they're mixing all sorts of things of mortality rates and incidents and who's vaccinated and who's not. All of these things, they manipulate the statistics. It's outright fraud. I mean, Sam and I have exposed this stuff in some of our presentations

looking at the CDC's own data, and what they classify as vaccinated. versus unvaccinated. And they will do things like they'll classify someone as unvaccinated if the person knows that they've been vaccinated but couldn't remember the date of the vaccination. In the CDC's world, that goes into the unvaccinated category. Now that's preposterous.

The person clearly has been vaccinated. And it's just manipulating the statistics to produce a certain narrative. In the case of measles too, when I remember back, I used to work as a GP for a while, general practitioner. I remember saying the only patients I ever saw with a true measles type rash, you know, the really classic looking one, they were all drug reactions. There were people that had had antibiotics,

and then a week later, they developed this classic measles rash, you know, and that was the only ones I ever saw. And it's funny how, again, this is all crafted. If I'd said that there wasn't, I hadn't asked about the drug history, I would have called it measles and classified it. And you know, you realize how much this problem keeps popping up, isn't it? Absolutely. And some of them are vaccine reactions as well.

But of course, if you've had the vaccine, you're not supposed to have the disease. And I know that critics will say yes, but they have tests to differentiate that stuff, you know, antibody assays and stuff. But we've looked into all of these assays. They're dubious in themselves on their own terms. So all of it is, yeah, to protect this narrative. And but what I think is really positive, David, is that clearly people, you know, got wised up to the COVID-19 narrative and went off that one.

So now we see them relaunching other narratives. Because measles is not even familiar to people anymore because one thing Sam and I point out is that by the 1980s when we were kids, most people, infectious diseases, in quotes, weren't even a thing. And so many people were turning away from vaccines and could not see the need for them. Kids had generally got really, really healthy. Childhood mortality had fallen away to almost nothing.

And then, of course, they had to relaunch things in the 1990s with these fear campaigns that suddenly these diseases like chickenpox and measles, which were joke illnesses to the physicians of old, who were often dealing with much more serious problems, suddenly the narrative changed, and we were told that these are incredibly serious diseases, and all children need to be vaccinated. And that's why we saw the massive increase

in the childhood vaccination schedule from the 1990s through to the present day. That's insane. As you've noted, it's... What are the numbers of vaccines that they've set up in New Zealand for kids? you know, from like birth to, let's say, I guess it was 16 or something like that. They've got like 72 here was what it was just until just recently.

What do you have in New Zealand? Yeah, that's a really good question. I'm not actually sure of the 100. Yeah, ours is not far off. We don't have quite the same number, but it's up there. And it's the big change has been, as I say, the increase since the 1990s. You know, back then in the 80s and 70s and 80s, there were only a handful that kids would be given and not many shots.

But like the United States, the number of shots went up and up and up. And then it started including things like hepatitis, you know, which even on their own terms, kids are not supposed to get. And, you know, up to this point today where, like you say, a child might get almost 80 shots by the time they're a teenager in a country like the United States. Now, I think there have been some positive moves to try and reduce the number of recommended vaccines on the schedule. But we have to keep in mind they're all fraudulent. None of them are required.

So we need more. And some people are saying, well, you know, RFK Jr's doing his work. He's in there. Hard for us to know how that's going to pan out because obviously people can still get all of these vaccines. and when they take their children to the doctor, most doctors are still in that mode of thinking where they think all vaccines are required and that you give as many as you can, etc.

So whether that pans out with any positive influence, I'm not sure. We can see on the ground what is positive is that more people are turning away from vaccines at the moment than going in the other direction. So countries like New Zealand, it's definitely dropped off. And a lot of parents now are saying,

to the whole vaccination schedule. Good, good. And is there a lot of pressure on parents? What is the situation with parental consent there in New Zealand? It's not. So we don't have the same situation like California has where children are required to have all the childhood vaccinations in order to go to school and things that there isn't sort of mandatory things like that in place.

But in saying that if you go to a university, like a college, and you go into particularly a health-related career, you're expected to have all of the vaccines plus, you know. So Mark has a funny story where they nearly didn't become a doctor because he was very on the cusp of not taking. Yeah, I got identified as a medical student. It was red flagged. I hadn't had all the jabs, and I was so close not to having them.

And unfortunately, I was gaslit by some of the physicians in the hospital where I was working. And when I raised a few concerns, they said, oh, no, this is, it's all discredited anti-baksa stuff. And they said, don't even bother looking at that stuff. Because, yeah, there's been a lot of analysis, etc. And, yeah, so I came close to not having many of the vaccines when I was, as a medical student.

But unfortunately, yeah, that pressure of, they said I couldn't progress, basically, into clinical medicine. And unfortunately, I had a few of, of the vaccines back then, but luckily no adverse events. It's kind of a loyalty test, isn't it? Are you loyal to pharma? If not, we can't put you in the medical field if you're going to question what pharma's doing. It's kind of interesting how they focus on medical students like that.

And doctors and nurses. Exactly. It's opticians. It's every physios across the board, you know. And you're right, it totally is. It's this test. And you realize, I didn't kind of appreciate it. until what happened after 2020,

when you start questioning germ, questioning vaccines is standing on a lot of landmine, but questioning germ theory is like, you cannot be in the club if you think like this. It's real, you'll be ostracized. Yeah, and they don't want any discussion about it. That was what was terrible, was our training in the medical system about vaccines

was essentially based, based around how many vaccines kids should have, like, you know, memorizing the schedule, and how to deal with so-called anti-vaxxers. And they were presented as, you know, these deluded people who had, who were making money out of, I don't know how you make money without being an anti-vaxer. Yeah, we know how you make money selling vaccines, but to tell people might to buy it, there's no money in that, really. Yeah, well, while Sam's bank accounts were being.

frozen. We were looking up Pfizer going, my goodness, they made $100 billion out of that one product. And we couldn't quite work out how the money is in being against the vaccines. But we were told, that it was what we were told, David, we were told that these anti-vaccine people are sophisticated operators who, you know, make a lot of money. And it was, we didn't even look back then at science. They didn't say to us, well, here's the figures or here's the original papers. They didn't want you looking at that. So essentially, and we found out since then that the medical schools, the academia, the scientific journals are largely controlled by the pharmaceutical industry and the medical establishment. It's in their interest to train the doctors up.

And Peter Gotchae, his book, Deadly Medicines and Organized Crime really exposes this. It's redundant, right? Yeah. The narratives are set by the industry. So there'll be these catchphrases, safe and effective as one. That came out of the thalidomide era. And they'll have all of these things that doctors go around saying. And the doctors think that this comes from honest, hardworking doctors.

And the origins of these catchphrases go back to the pharmaceutical industry. and their marketing gurus. And unfortunately, it permeates the whole medical world to the point where it's just taken for granted and believed. Do you know, really quickly, I can't remember if I told you this last time, David, but I remember so vividly, I graduated in 2005 from medical school. And so around 2003, I think it was, we had a pediatric rotation, and they spent a morning with us teaching us how to deal with anti-vaxes.

that was the whole thing. And they said, I remember it because I was, I mean, I was staunchly pro-vaccine at this point. And that they would say, they'll come at you and they'll have lots of paperwork. And don't worry about looking at any of it. What you need to focus on is that they've refuted all this, that this has all been, it's nonsense what they're telling you.

They're in a cult and this is what they believe. And you have to kind of talk them out of it. And it was this really patronizing kind of talk down. And I'm like, oh, yes, doctors, we know best. And now I think, oh, my gosh, they're just training you up to what this is, this is a really evil kind of, I don't know if that's still going, but that's definitely what I had. Yeah.

Well, I remember in the summer of 2020 when they were talking about rolling out this vaccine, and they had already war-gamed how they were going to psychologically manipulate people. Yale had done a study, and they had about a dozen different categories of things that they could use. and they'd actually done double-blind testing, unlike the vaccines. So they actually tested the psychological stuff and the way that you would think that they would test a drug or something. But they had a control group that didn't get the narrative. And then somebody else that they would use that argument on to see if it was effective.

And it was all the kind of stuff like, you know, you need to do this for your neighbor. This is like the moonshot. You need to trust science. And all the narratives that we were sold, those were all tested. with focus groups and with control groups. And that part of it was very scientific. That was the only part that really had any science with it was the behavioral science. And it's kind of interesting because they create this kind of this science fiction world with viruses and all the rest of the stuff.

And it is an interesting and very complete universe. You know, but of course, J.R.R. Tolkien did that with Lord of the Rings. He had a very intricate universe that he created, but it was all fake. So just because it's intricate doesn't mean that it's true. and the good science fiction is when you don't have logical gaps in the universe that you've created, right? And that was what I was seeing in 2020. When I'm watching this closely, it's like, wait a minute. What they're telling you doesn't make any sense at all.

For example, all the stuff, your mask doesn't protect you, other people's mask protects you, all that kind of stuff, which has been the long-term narrative for the vaccine. And that was a tip as to where they were going with the vaccine. But, you know, that type of stuff, they had all these different things that were just, illogical that they were telling people, but made absolutely no sense, even if you believed the virology, what they were telling people didn't make any sense. It didn't hang together. No, and that astounded us too, David. In New Zealand, we had these really peculiar things, like the government introduced this level system and this traffic light system, and they said, hey, look, when there's heaps of cases out there, we're going to shut down the whole country,

it goes into red light, et cetera. And then when there are not many, cases we can open things up again. This is during the COVID era. And then they just did the complete opposite in front of everyone. So we have no cases. We literally had no cases even on their terms. And they shut New Zealand down and said, you can't leave your house. And then later on in 2022, when they allowed the rat test, the rapid antigen test,

to flood out there, of course, people just started testing at home and the number of cases went through the roof. And then they just said, oh, it's time to open up, you know. It was completely illogical. It made no sense on their own traffic light level system. And Sam and I, of course, had refuted the entire notion that there was SARS-COVID virus or that COVID-19 represented some sort of new illness. It was all circular reasoning. But aside from that, we thought the people who bought into the narrative, surely at this point they're going, this makes no sense. And but for the people who really buy into the narrative, I think they just take the bits that suit them and discard the bits that don't suit them.

That's right. And it's a wider problem. I don't know how it was in New Zealand. But here, you know, if you went to a restaurant, for example, you had to wear a mask in order to be seated at a table. But once you got seated at the table, you can take the mask off. And then if you need to get up to go to the bathroom, you could walk through the restaurant without a mask on. It was all okay. And it's like, wait a minute. This doesn't make any sense.

And I had a couple of, I knew I wasn't going to get anywhere if it was a chain, but I went to places that were locally owned. And I said, I want to speak to the owner. And I talked to him and they said, yeah, we know it doesn't make any sense, but you got to do it. And it's like, you're selling the rope that's going to hang here. This is crazy. And it was that kind of crazy stuff. And yet, the reality is that people were going along with it, whether they believed it or not. I don't know if other people believed it or they disbelieved it, but I know that they complied with it. And, you know, it's just to me that was the worst kind of insanity. Now, we haven't had any kind of review or anything.

They didn't even pretend to have a review here in the United States. There has been a pretend review, a pretend inquiry in the UK. And you've got one going in New Zealand as well, right? You've got a couple of them. And these are typically going to be a whitewash. Is that situation that's going on in New Zealand? guess. Yeah, they make it out like something's actually happening, nothing's happening. It's just placate the masses that there was some, oh, let's find a, oh, this could have been done, you know,

maybe we should have locked down harder earlier. Maybe that should have been what happened. Yeah, it's an absolute gaslight, David, and it's really disappointing to see people buying into this stuff. And obviously, the government run these so-called inquiries. They appoint people, they say are independent, but of course, are these people that already go along with the establishment narrative, etc. So here in New Zealand, to give you an idea of what a joke it was, the people that propagated the scam, so the big names, like the Director General of Health and... Justinda Arduin. The Minister of Health and, yeah, the Prime Minister at that time, Ardern. All of them were

excused at the last minute. They didn't have to answer any questions. and because, you know, the public had a lot of questions for them, but suddenly at the last minute they announced, no, they don't have to say anything. That's, you know, they were running the scam, but that's nothing to do. You know, it was really bizarre. And then you had, it's really sad to see because you had these groups going to the inquiry and presenting serious information,

which was quickly dismissed because the government would then just counter it with their quote expert who would say, oh no, that's not correct. I can't get into the details why that's not correct, but because I'm an expert, I just know this stuff. So, yeah, a complete waste of time. But, I mean, countries like New Zealand and the UK, they love this sort of thing, you know,

their royal inquiries or their national inquiries and stuff. And we do that occasionally. We'll have a congressional committees are looking to something like Benghazi and they just go back and forth. nothing ever comes of it. We had the Warren Commission when JFK was assassinated. And what we got out of that was this magic bullet theory.

So maybe that's why the public is not pressing for this. Or it might just be apathy, which is kind of what I'm thinking it is. I'm thinking it's not so much, you know, we've tried this before and then ever tells the truth. It's not that kind of cynicism. I think it's really apathy from the American public. And that's the thing that really concerns me. We didn't even try to get any answers here in America.

But in some ways, I sympathise because everyone is saturated with constant fear and drama and war and whatever. I mean, it's just, it's overwhelming. And I mean, the things I take that are really positive, like we talked about earlier, was just that people are, people, many, many people, are regretting that they ever took the vaccine. They're not willing to be tricked again. There's this huge distrust within the medical system. people are fearful of it and don't want to kind of be involved with it. And it's questioning all sorts of other things like virology.

And I think that is the great thing about it is we have to take the positives. And everything comes from the people. It can't come from, I mean, the government is just so, as you know, it's just so controlled. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and that's why we really focus, David, as you know, with our publications, is to get people to the point where they can see, oh, this contagion is not what I've been told

because look at this, influenza, the Spanish flu experiments, they didn't work. Look at the measles. They never ever showed it was contagious despite these things. Common colds didn't work in their 40-year history of trying these experiments. And once you get people to see that stuff, they can't unsee it.

So they don't need to then go back through and repeat the process because one of the worst things you'll see is people getting into arguments about face masks, for instance. And if they can see that there's no contagion in the first place, the face mask has nothing to do with that whole world. Face masks, they do have uses. So for people that work in industry where there's particulate matter in the factories or environment, it's really important.

But face masks are not, they should not be a discussion with, Yeah, and that was one of the things we were talking about at the time, you know, they're saying, okay, virus particles are this size. And if you look at the size of the filter, it's like it's not going to work for that. They even put it on the side of the box, you know, it's not going to protect you against any virus. And yet it was mandated for this kind of stuff. That's what I was saying about when I'm talking about when I said, if you create a science fiction world, you've got to have some consistent rules within it. So don't tell me that you got this tiny particle and then tell me that I've got to, it's like saying, that you're going to keep mosquitoes out by using a chain link fence. It isn't going to work. Yeah. Totally. And that's what we think is we call them distraction narratives because they're downstream from the key issues.

And we always say to people, go upstream. Like, is contagion, I think. And it's the same with vaccination. Now, we know that there are some researchers who focus on the epidemiology of vaccines. And that's fine because they often show they can refute vaccines that way. But we also encourage. people to go upstream and say the epidemiology doesn't even matter because the foundational science fails and not just on one but on everything on all of virology on all of you know the

bacterial so-called infections none of them show that there are microbes that cause disease now you do get some microbes that increase in numbers during certain diseases like pneumonia etc but that's not, there's no experiment that ever showed that they caused the disease. It may be a consequence in other words, right? A consequence of the disease and affected the disease and not the cause. Totally. And once people get this, that they can see, oh my goodness, the, there is, the germ theory is wrong. It should never have been called a theory.

It was a hypothesis. And the hypothesis was refuted over and over again. The experiments kept on failing. and they just had to keep making up these new narratives to keep people in this mode and once people see it, as I say, they don't even worry about these downstream arguments and straight away they say,

well, that's fine because it doesn't bother me. And, you know, it's giving people that knowledge not to be afraid because, you know, it's one thing for people to realize that vaccines aren't useful, but it's way more, beneficial for themselves and their family to know, hey, you're not going to, you're not going to catch diseases. Diseases build up from within. Other people are not going to make you sick in the sense that they're going to give you some sort of infectious microbe.

And once that way of thinking disappears, we find that people are just, they're free, basically. They've left that cage. The other thing, just touching on what you were saying before about masks and things, what really woke me up in a way in 2020 was when you see that the fraud is right in front of you. So the fraud, what I saw strongly when really started to question things was the tests and that the tests themselves, when the PCR tests were being used, would say these are not diagnostic. And I thought, how can this be?

And that's before you even go upstream like Mike says and you go, oh my gosh, there's no such thing as a SARS-CoV-2 doesn't even exist. This is, when you can see it with open eyes and go, oh my gosh, it's right in my face here. On the mask packets, it says that these won't work. And yet people are walking around with them. And you think, how can this be? And that following that road will eventually lead you to freedom of going, I don't need to be part. I don't need to partake in these rituals anymore.

It truly was a bad science fiction movie, wasn't it? I remember there was head of state in, maybe it was Africa or something, where he tested some fruit and he got a positive test on it. But I had an EMS listener who has worked in the field for decades. And he was very skeptical about all this stuff. And he had somebody open up on these packages and run it straight through without touching anything else and got it positive. So you look at all this stuff. And again, the guy who developed it said you can't use this for diagnostic purposes. Carrie Mullis said that.

And so knowing all that stuff, I got to say it was still, you haven't been in the back of your mind, it's like, well, you know, you hear all this stuff. And, you know, I was absolutely convinced because of the, the germ games that they've been doing, the first one two months before 9-11, Dark Winter. I knew what that was. I'd been tipped off by somebody. He said, they're talking about dark winter too. And you know what that was about? And he's like, yeah, you know. And so be careful.

Watch out for this. And then they came out. It was exactly what they had practiced. you know, for 20 years, the first one, just two months before 9-11. And so I knew it was a hoax, but you still have in the back of your mind, you know, what if, you know, there's this little thing. But if you understand what you're telling people, then it is the final pandemic and you don't have to worry about it anymore. The truth sets you free, doesn't it?

Yeah, exactly. And I think it's getting people into that mindset like Sam says of just not participating in the rituals. You just, you completely get out of it. And people say, well, you need to take a test. and you say, well, no, I don't. There's no need for me to do that because it's not a diagnostic test. Or people will say, well, you need to wear a mask. And you say, well, why, I'm not on a building site.

I'm not breathing in dust. So that's not a thing. It's, yeah, it's getting them well and truly out of that. And yeah, as you say, these exercises they were doing. They date right back in those decades leading up. And obviously in the 2010s, these tabletop exercises started becoming more common. and, you know, right up until COVID time. And in the final pandemic in our book,

we also exposed that they were in the late 2010s, so around 2017, 2018, suddenly the whole anti-vaxer thing becomes big in their white papers, and they start talking about how to, this problem with anti-vaxes and how they're going to combat it and all this kind of stuff.

Because what was interesting was that these organisations who are linked up to globalist organisations, pharmaceutical industry, the medical establishment. None of them were really talking about this until that two years before COVID. And clearly they had anticipated that there was going to be a rise in anti-vaccine sentiment. But one thing that was interesting was that they didn't anticipate the rise in people who could see straight through. germ theory and virology. And they didn't

see, it was people like Sam that they didn't see coming because, you know, she's a network TV doctor, you know, presenting generally mainstream stuff. And then suddenly... Way off script. The COVID narrative is so preposterous

that people like us said, well, hang on a minute. We need to say something here. And of course, the whole house of cards came down with you know, these alleged pandemics. Well, I really do appreciate and admire your integrity. Sam, you're the only person I know that's lost two careers over this. Not only on TV, but in terms of medicine as well, the way they've come after you and

punitively come after you as well. And so I really do appreciate your integrity, sticking to the truth. It is so important what you're doing. Tell people, again, is the website the best place for people to find you? Can they get your books there at the website? Is that the best place? Yeah. I mean, yeah, please.

It's because, you know, we do the censorship dance too like you do. It's always just, especially substacks being tricky. So, no, the best place to find us is always the website, Dr. Sam Bailey.com. And there's a tab there which has got all of our books. And you can download Mark's latest one for free or buy it if you wish to. That's all good. We just wish to spread that information.

And hopefully reduce people's fear in the process. says so yeah. And people, there's a search bar on the website so people can just, because we've covered hundreds and hundreds of topics, because people will say, hey, what about rabies, etc. So we've got a search bar there and people can just type in these terms and hopefully we've covered it already. Yeah. So a lot of information, yes. Yes. Yeah, I'm also, I'm sorry, I'm also on YouTube, but I'm hanging on by a thread there and, yeah, just, just so, you know, but there's, yeah, substack and also I'm on telegram and Instagram in a little way. But, yeah, so just if you.

And people can find you at Dr. Sam Bailey, B-A-I-L-E-Y dot com, right? That's a place to find. Go directly there. And then you don't have any people in between trying to hide you. And that's what the search engine have become. They become not a tool to find things, but a tool to hide things. things, especially people like doctors Bailey. And so I really do appreciate what you're doing.

I know that it's cost you a great deal. You didn't become billionaires like the people of Pfizer-Moderna, instead, just the opposite. And you've continued to push the truth out there to help people. I really do appreciate that. Can't tell you how much I appreciate that. Thank you. Thank you, David. Thank you for what you're doing.

Appreciate it. Have a good day. Well, I want to give you a little bit of an appendix here to this interview because after we stopped the interview, they were still on the line, and we talked a little bit about what they've been going through, and they had a fascinating story that you've got to hear. So here's what they had to say. You tried to come to the United States, and what happened when you tried to make the trip? So in June of last year, I was trying to buy some stationary from the shop, and what happened was none of my cards would work. And I was like, this is

really weird, because I just paid off my credit card. And so I went to the bank. And so I went to the and then the bank teller wrote on a piece of paper and said, have you recently been made bankrupt? And she slid it to me. And I was like, what? No. Like I would know something like this, wouldn't I? And she's like, yeah, yeah, definitely.

And then she went away and she's on lots of different phone calls. And then she comes back to me and shows me the website, which is for New Zealand, it's the insolvency website. And my name is on there. And three days earlier, a high court had declared me bankrupt because of this money from the medical council that they say I owe the $170,000, $160,000. Yeah, so just to be clear, it wasn't because Sam was insolvent or bankrupt. It was just because she'd never paid the medical quote authorities, their COVID fines, which, you know, were $160,000 or something. Yeah.

And they did all this stuff in secret. So it's like a bank robbery except the banker is the one to pass. near than I would say we took all your money. It was insane. Honestly, David, like when it happened because it caused such a shock. And then from there, because we were supposed to be going to the States

for this trip, and you're not allowed to technically travel overseas without permission, you know, because they think you're going to abscond with money or something. And so I thought, oh no, I'm not going to be able to go to the States. And this is something I was just so looking forward to.

And anyway, we fought it in the courts, went to the high court two weeks before we were due to go to the states because they hadn't done their due process. They'd never told me. They'd never served me with any, I had no information whatsoever that this had been going on behind the scenes. Wow. So I, but I, the judge reserved the decision. Um, so I didn't know whether I'll be able to travel. And anyway, um, I just, I believe in God and I, uh, went, we flew up and Mark and I split. And I split. And I, up our gear, because Mark was speaking at this conference, and so I was supposed to. Mark had the laptop, and I had the car keys and some New Zealand money in case they said no,

and then we went through the, you know, the smart things, gates, and then it did the green tick, and I basically, I just broke down crying because I finally knew that I could go, and we hadn't been, the last time we'd been to the States was in 2016. And for us, this is a small. such a huge thing because it was meeting all these people that we've been working with since COVID and I've always wanted to meet and now I knew I could give them people hugs and like actually talk and it was just such an amazing we had such a wonderful time so and then when we came back I got the news that the bankruptcy had been annulled so it was just an amazing time yeah so the judge ruled that it was unlawful the actions that they'd taken trying to seize

bank accounts, et cetera. They're still actively going off saying that Sam has to pay these COVID fines. Even though the judges ruled it unlawful, they're still coming after you? Well, he ruled the process that they took as unlawful, not the underlying claim that Sam needs to pay these COVID fines. But it is preposterous. And many doctors in New Zealand are starting to challenge this stuff now. They're just saying, look, this is outrageous. Why are we getting six-figure fines? for questioning something. There's no patient has ever come forward to say they were harmed. They can't find anyone in the entire nation who got harmed by anything

that Sam said or that any of the other doctors said who were practicing at the time. But this is the world we're living in where they are trying to scare. We think it's a good sign that this is how desperate it's become, that you have to give doctors six-figure fines if they don't agree with the narrative. And I think that really... It shows desperation, doesn't it?

It shows desperation. That's all they've got now is these financial penalties. They know that they can't stop people from speaking out. And yeah, so that's, I think, we have to see the positive side of things. And it was quite satisfying when the judge ruled in Sam's favor and told them it was unlawful what they were doing. And it makes you much resilient. Like you said, David, like I think in terms of realizing, okay, this is all they've got. But they tried to get me to sign a gag order way back in September 2020, and I wouldn't, you know, and I'll never, I'm so pleased every step I've taken.

It's been an empowering thing. And I feel great that this is all they've got. Like, they're still worried about me, below me. I'm not, you know, an aggressive person. But it's like, this is the threat. That's right. Well, one person who is determined to tell the truth, that's the key thing that they can't handle. And of course, it's not science either if you can't handle skepticism.

You know, science only advances when somebody questions a narrative. And they should never be in fear of trying to explain themselves and what they're doing. Then it obviously isn't science. It's not based on data and scientific method. That's what I've said all along about so many of these different frauds. We see this type of thing happening over and over again. But it really underscores, I think, the fact that you kind of see this as a ministry. You see this as a way of helping people.

And that is really your heart and your motivation. And I really appreciate that. Thank you so much for doing that. Really do appreciate that. Thank you both of you. Doctors Mark and Sam Bailey. God bless. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you, David. Thank you. Well, we'll fit that in somehow. That was too important to let go. Yeah, absolutely. So, yeah, I got the same thing when they came after me. In a sense, no explanation as to what was going on.

It was just PayPal. They also owned Venmo, and they shut me down on both of those platforms at the same time. I spent two hours on the phone with the guy, and the guy kept going on. He goes, well, I can't see any reason given here at all. Just a message shut this account down is right now, you know, and no explanation given. I've never been given an explanation. I don't have the money to sue them in court and get an explanation. So I know what it is anyway.

I'm not going to spend the time of the money to try to get confirmation of it. So, yeah, but you have gone through more than anybody I know. And so I really do appreciate that. Thank you so much. It's always an honor to talk to you. Yeah, no, thank you, David. Yeah. And so pleased to see you doing well.

Thank you. Yeah. Yeah, in spite of a lot of different things. But again, it's been prayer. Well, joining us now is Gerald Slenty. And it's been a couple of weeks since we've been able to talk to Gerald. Actually, a little bit longer than that because we usually do it every other week. But it's been longer now just before Christmas.

and everybody has been dying to hear what Gerald sees coming in terms of trends for 2026. Of course, he doesn't do predictions, but he does trends. And we can infer a lot from the trends if we look at it. So we're going to talk about a lot of different things. We're going to talk about the economy, talk about we've got so many different wars to pick from. It's like a smorgasbord in terms of commentary. It's not a good thing, but it certainly is a lot to talk about. Trump always does put a lot of stuff on our plate.

So without any further ado, Gerald Salentie at TrendsGerns, General. And just a reminder, if you use the code night, you can save 10% on a subscription to this, and you can get the stuff right away. If you have to wait for an interview, you can find out what Gerald thinks the trends are going to be in the next year right there. And it's a wealth of information that comes every week. And with the code, it is very, very affordable. Again, 10% off of the code night.

Thank you for joining us, Gerald. And, of course, you've already put out your trends journal for the trends that you see coming up in 2026, right? Oh, yeah. And by the way, when they put your code in, It costs them the grand total of $2.50 a week. Wow. Paying today.

Pays. Yeah, that's amazing. Go to YouTube and look at the comments that people have subscribed. I'm not bragging. There's no magazine like it in the world. That's right. You know, tech to AI to socioeconomic, geopolitical, on and on and on. And it's a magazine.

You read what you want. This week's magazine, by the way, $200. 40 plus pages. Wow. Wow. Yeah. Well, certainly isn't any, certainly isn't a quiet period of time. That's one thing you can say about Trump. But, you don't want to subscribe to AI to get, you don't want to subscribe to the Trends Journal to get the top trends for 2026. What you want to do is you want to go to Google and Google top trends for 2026. And when the magazine came out, this is what AI came up with. You ready?

Yeah, yeah, I'll say this. AI top trends for 2026 point towards a shift from 2025's quiet luxury to quote loud luxury. You ready? Featuring bold colors,

exaggerated embellishments, tassels and bows. Go AI. Go AI. Get you. stupid like the rest of everybody. No, no, no, no. Hey, Solentie, I'm going to go to the Washington Journal.

No, I'm going to go to New York Times. Not a word about the top trends in 2020. Wow. Barely a peep. This is what happened in 2025. This is like going, you might as well go back and watch pale face with Bob Hope and the trends are going to be buttons and bows this year. That's what we're going to have this year, right?

You got it. The reason they don't do it is, and I'm, is simple. They don't know how to do it. Yeah. Yeah. Trends 2000, International Bestselling book. That's right.

Trend tracking, far better than Megatrends, Time magazine. Publishing the Trends Journal since 1999. They don't teach trend forecasting

at Harvard. They don't teach you to Yale. They don't teach you to Princeton. They don't teach you at Oxford, to Cambridge. They don't know how to do it. And they don't teach it at Open AI either.

They don't know how to do it. The AI is basically going to plagiarize what other people put out there. They're not thinking. They're just collecting what other people put out. And if the New York Times, other people like that aren't paying attention to it either, you're certainly not going to get it from AI either. And it's not the New York Times. It's the New York Slimes.

Yeah, that's right. Get it straight, right? That's right. Well, let's talk about the trends coming up. You know, we've had an amazing year for gold and silver. And it kicked off again at the beginning of this year. Already the predictions that we saw from a lot of the different banking institutions and their analysts, that's already back in the rearview mirror. We've already sailed past a lot of those that have been put out there.

What do you think is going to happen with gold and silver? And this is the key thing because instead of predicting a price, I mean, I'm looking at gold and silver. I'm not looking at it like some kind of a commodity that's going to be going up and down and up and down. I see this as a as part of a reset of financial system. I imagine you do too. How do you see it? All right. Again, I mentioned the book, Treadtrak in 1989.

I began buying gold in 1978 when the Iranian conflict broke out. And it forced to hate Iran without anybody knowing how the AI, the AI, the CIA, the CIA and the MI6. back in 1953, the Mosaddeg government, because he said the oil belongs to the Iranian people, not BP or standard oil. Back then, it was Exxon Standard Oil and Anglo-Iranian oil. He said belongs to the Iranian people. Same mistake as Chavez, right, in Venezuela. Yeah, same thing.

So what happened, I started buying gold back then. What's going on now has nothing to do back then. Back then, the United States was number one. China's gross domestic product back in 1978, under $150 billion. And this is a million people under $150 billion. Today, when you put the real numbers in, it's way above $20 trillion.

Wow. The United States ruled world back then. Now we have the death of the dollar coming. Trump wants the lower interest rates, the lower interest rates go, the deeper the dollar falls, the deeper the dollar falls, the higher gold prices go up. Gold, again, Trends Journal subscribers know it, as well you do. What was our top trend for 2024? Gold. Golden year for gold. Yeah. Go to your trends journal. All year long, we've been saying going up, going up, and go back to

October 16th. My podcast, I said there's going to be a correction at gold that's going to go down at least $500. It did about a week later. It's going to be correction. Nothing goes straight up or straight down. But gold is the future because of the geopolitical and socio-economic uncertainties that have never existed in your lifetime or mine.

Yeah, I agree. These are the most times of our lives. And that's why the precious metals are skyrocketing on the silver red. And by the way, as we're going on the air today, whether it's gold is selling for about $4,625 an ounce. Yeah. And let me say this, just let the audience know, we're recording this on Wednesday afternoon.

And so the way things are moving very quickly, it looks like we're probably, by the time this airs, we may be at war with Iran. That is what the Jerusalem Post is quoting an Israeli official. And of course, whatever the Israeli officials want, Trump's going to give it to them. So it'll be interesting to see what happens to the price of gold when that kicks in. What on it, Gerald? Well, yeah, this is the headline from Ha Hadats report.

Trump administration warns Saudis, Gulf countries to prepare U.S. strike on Iran. Yeah, yeah, that's right. All right. Now, when did he strike them the last time? What day? Do you remember? It was a Saturday. Yeah. When did he kidnap Maduro Saturday? He doesn't when the markets are closed. Uh-huh. Yeah. Oh, there you go. That's a good prediction. So maybe it won't have happened by the time we air this on Friday. So he does it when the markets are closed. Because if this happens when the markets are open, whew. Very interesting.

So anyway, we're very bullish on this. And silver now, again, going back, you make connections between different fields. Silver, by the way, is being used very heavily in high tech. Oh, yeah. And like, let's say you got a gold ring and you need the dough, you melt down the gold and you go sell the gold ring. Sylvia, your cell phone breaks, your computer breaks, you throw it away. There's no stockpiles.

And with the AI, more and more and more and more silver is being used in these chips and everything else. And there are no stockpiles of this stuff. That's why you're seeing, I mean, what did silver price like 100? Yeah, oh, well, well, 100% essential. But, you know, we're also seeing, we're seeing an industrial, use is so high that we've had a deficit for six years now of silver production versus

silver use. As you point out, people are not recycling it. There's also something on the headline that a lot of people have been pointing to, and that is Samsung has a solid state battery that is superior in every way to the lithium batteries. It charges faster twice as long life, and it has a much longer range, and it doesn't have the fire issues, all these things, except it's more pricey because it's got a lot of silver in it.

And if that catches on, I mean, I could almost see the U.S. government mandating it because of the fire hazards with the lithium stuff. But if that catches on, that's going to be a huge sink for silver, isn't it? Yes. And again, think about it. Where's Samsung? What country are they from? Yeah, that's right.

South Korea, right? Yeah. Yeah. Asian. The Asian country is going to take. go to AI. Chinese is going to world in it.

And there's going to be a dot-com bus. They overinvested in these companies. That's one of our top trends for 2026. Trends are born. They grow, they mature reach all days. You don't invest in the companies that are infants that were just born in 2022. Let's go back a year ago about a week,

a year ago in a week. There was a bust called when NVIDIA stock lost $600 billion in one day, when a company called deep seat came out from China. Oh, yeah. Oh, you're about that. Yeah. Again, you don't invest all your dough in the companies that are just born. China's going to lead the world in AI. I've said, we've done. I mentioned to you before Slick Willie Clinton brought them into the World Trade

Organization 25 years ago, 10% of Chinese 18-year-olds went to college. Today, nearly 70%. And they're AI high-tech addicted. And jumping hundreds of billions of dollars into AI. Again, it's the future. Love it, hate it, want it, don't want it, it's it. And you're going to see a dot-com bust if or when the United States and Israel attack Iran. You're going to see Brent crude go over $100 a barrel. That's going to sink the global economy, the equity markets, and get ready for the greatest depression. Don't worry.

When all else fails, they take you to war. I'm a Yankee doodle dandy. A goodle doodle dog. Well, while we're on the economy and gold, as you've always said, Trump is very good for gold. And now it looks like he wants to be a one-man Federal Reserve. Instead of ending the Federal Reserve, instead of auditing the Federal Reserve,

he wants to get rid of Jerome Powell, so he's going to audit the Federal Reserve building. They're not going to audit the gold that's in Fort Knox. But he's going to take it over. He's got some ideas of what he's going to do to manipulate interest rates and his own version of quantitative easing, that's going to also stoke gold, isn't it? Yep.

And by the way, I think Trump is going to be gold for gold. Yeah. Hey, let's go back to February last year. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, me and me, we're going to go to Fort Knox, right? All right. Right.

Hey, got so on. How come in and go there? Mm-hmm. They go there. They know what's in there. Mm-hmm. They know what's in. They're going to come out with this story

by the way, according to the data, the United States has more gold than anybody else in the world. Well, there's a lot of people that believe that China has hidden a lot of their stuff. What do you think? They'll say, we got, make up a number. And we're raising the price of gold.

We're the ones that set the price and we're changing it. And now gold is going to be worth $10,000 an ounce. and we just wiped out our $38 trillion budget deficit. So we'll make up some crap, I'm telling you. Yeah, yeah. Gold is it, man. Gold, again, there's going to be a correction. Nothing goes straight up and straight down.

Again, you go October 16th, I did a podcast. I said there'd be a correction in gold that could go down $500 an ounce. five days later, it went down $500. So something goes straight up, straight down, but this golden silver, it's the commodity. It is the trend, yeah, it is the trend, isn't it? Well, let's talk a little bit about Iran, and of course things could change very, very quickly

in the next 2436 hours. But you believe that this girl you're going to send a shockwave through the oil industry, create a depression, right? Oh, yeah. If the prices go up above 100, as we're talking now, Brent Cruz is about $65 and change your barrel.

Last year, this time was about $80 a barrel. All right? It goes over $100 a barrel. You're going to see inflation go way up. And right now, there's more supply than demand. That's why the prices are so low. And supply than demand means the whole economy is on slowdown. It should spike above $100 a barrel.

You're going to see an equity market crash. Yeah. Well, again, when we look at this, with all of it is in Venezuela, Trump had meeting last week, and he had these different oil company executives in. And the Exxon CEO said he thought that Venezuela was uninvestable. And right after that, Trump, He says, well, he's out.

You know, he's not going to get. So it is actually uninvestable for his company, I guess. But when you look at it, you know, not factoring in what's the shock to the oil system that an Iran war is going to do. But when you look at where we are right now, without that being there, what incentive would the oil companies have to go in there and put a glut of oil on the market? They don't want to see the price go down. this might be more of an incentive for them to get invested in Venezuela, but it's still a long time to get this infrastructure to where it's productive again, right? What do you think about that in terms of the oil aspect?

You know, it's not a change. Economies go up and down. And what you talk about Trump throwing a guy from Exxon out. This is Trump last week in the New York Times. they said they asked him if there were any limits on his global powers. Oh yeah.

Mr. Trump said quote, yeah. Yeah. There is one thing, one thing. My own morality, my own mind. It's the only thing

that could stop me. I don't need international law. All right, stop. Yeah. My own mind. How about with somebody... What the hell you're talking about with someone else is thinking? Only my mind counts.

Yeah, that's right. I know everything. Yeah. You know, as you know, I taught close combat for many years. And you come up by the guy used to write for the magazine, may rest of peace. Bradley Steiner. Top close combat guy in America. who taught my teacher, John Perkins.

The first thing, number one, that we learned in close combat, the only time you use your ego is when your life is on the line. That's my ego. That's what they matter. Trump is pure ego when he says that only his mind counts. Would other people, facts, data, show that doesn't count. at all. It's only my mind. It's pure ego. Yeah. Yeah. The ego has landed. That's basically it's amazing. It's amazing. And what is amazing to me is so many people that can't or won't

see that and just how dangerous that is. Yeah, truly is amazing. Well, you know, when we look at this, there's another aspect of the Iranian thing, which you've talked about in the past as well, Gen C revolt. And so there's been a massive revolt that's there. And I looked at this and I thought, you know, why in the world did anybody in their right mind, assuming that they had a mind? Why would you interfere with that, right? If he interferes with this, of course, that's going to only help the Ayatollah,

because as you've pointed out over and over again, when people have, and we've seen this throughout history, many times in our lives, we've seen that, you know, governments will take people to war because things are difficult. domestically, and they get people's minds off it. We saw it with Israel and Netanyahu, right, take them to war because he's struggling politically in his own country. And so if somebody is struggling politically in their own country, they want to have a war. Why would Trump give that to them if he had any inkling of a strategy? Why would you ask that question? That's a rhetorical question, is it? Why? Why is it insane person insane? I mean, you know,

Let's go back to Gen Z Revolution. First of all, you're about Netanyahu. Everybody forgets there were 39 weeks of protests going on in Israel before the Hamas attack. Yeah. Because the Trump's Trump's Netanyahu, Greenberg, iceberg. What's the difference? Netanyahu wanted to do away with the court system and say the government was in control. There were 39 weeks of protest because of his judicial reform act.

Not my language, the language from Isaac Herzog, president of Israel. There's a civil war going on. There was a civil war going on. Moss attacks, everybody forgot. Going back, ha' hads, Israel. Again, we only write the facts. Everybody forgot this. Three days after the attack, it was reported that the United States in Egypt had warned

Israel, the attack was coming. And I know the newspapers have since reported they all knew it was coming. They let it happen. Not the people's mind off it. That's right. So again, when all else fails, they take you to war. And the global economies are failing. The United States economy, again,

AI is responsible for 50% of last year's gross domestic product. Wow. Wow. That's amazing. 10% of Americans are responsible for 50% of the spending last year. Top 10% of Americans own 93% of the stock market. The rest of the 90% own 70%, 7%.

7%. Wow. That's it. The rich own everything. Last year, the top 10 billionaires in America, they only got $700 billion richer. The job reports, look at the jobs that are created.

Look at the numbers. Health services, paying nothing. Because, again, I'm the baby boom generation. I'm the same age as Trump. So if I fall asleep, I'm the same age. I mentioned that little clown boy,

Jake Crapper on CNN. You know what he said? What he saying? I get his exact quote here. If I can't find it, I'll tell you what it was. Here it is. Ready? Look, he's 79 years old.

I mean, like, that's not abnormal for a 79-year-old to be sleepy. Hey, some big! You! Don't you talk to me like that? I don't eat shit. All right. I'm in good. I'm 79.

Well, we had an interview with Salenti, but it's not abnormal for 79-year-old. All right. That's the crap. So don't subscribe to the judge journal. Go to the Cartoon News Network and swallow crap. From Jake Crapper. A little piece of crap to put that kind of shit out there.

Discussed. How dare you say that? Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, getting back to the Gen Z stuff. By the way, people don't like my language. Hey, what did Trump do to that guy the other day? Yeah. Yeah, that's right. Guy to call the one about, we wouldn't put out the Epstein files. How did a file protector. Yeah. Yeah. And what did Trump say?

Yeah. He nailed it too. That's exactly the truth hurt, didn't it? Well, yeah, Trump said, F you, yeah. I mean, she was my bird, right? And they gave him the finger, yeah. Yeah, but I, oh, Selenti now, you can't do that. He's the president. He did anything he wants. And I'm a little, gutless little clown, and I suck up to him like I suck up to,

oh, we got the suck up? Remember genocide Joe? I forgot about him. You had gone before, and I forgot this. After the Iranian revolution, Iranian economy was growing nicely. They were doing great. And then all of a sudden, the Nobel piece of crap prize winner, Barack Obama, put sanctions on them.

That's right. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Oh, the Nobel Peace of Crap Prize winner, quoted in the book, Double Down, I'm really good at killing people. You're really good at killing people. You're a little skinny prick. I don't want to use right word. I don't want to be censored.

You could fight your way out of a paper bag. What do you mean? Killing people. Yeah. He killed over 40,000 people with drones. Yeah. Right? he puts sanctions on Iran.

Then he made a deal with him when they signed that agreement not to build a nuclear thing, right? Then he gets into his office. And he puts more sanctions on. And more sanctions and more sanctions and more sanctions and more sanctions. That's why the, because he's a puppet of Israel. Yeah.

Is Obama. Obama's the guy that gave the deal that steals three, what, about $3.6 billion of our money each year to give to Israel. Mm-hmm. They call it taxes. It ain't taxes. It's stevery.

Anyway, going back, so then Trump put more and more sanctions on them. So the country's going bust. That's why a Gen Z revolution, one of our top trends. It broke. Again, we talked about this. That little boy, if nobody ever heard of. Again, not what you like, what you want, what you wish for. There's little nothing of a kid, Mandani, in New York City.

And I'm a Bronx guy. I know New York. I got a little nobody here that nobody ever heard of. How come? Gen Z. Mm-hmm. Yeah, 14 to 29-year-olds.

Mm-hmm. But the 18 to 29-year-olds were the biggest turnout in the primaries that beat little Andy Cuomo, another arrogant piece of scum. What was the biggest turnout with the election?

Millennials in Gen Z, they got no jobs. Oh, a couple of weeks ago, hey, they over through a government in a place called Bulgaria. Who did it? Gen Z. What happened in Nepal, Gen Z?

Hey, how about Tanzania, Gen Z? Oh, Kenya, Gen Z. Indonesia. France, Gen Z. Mara, Madagascar, Gen Z, Gen Z, Gen Z, taking the streets, they're broke, they're busted, because the billionaire's own everything. Yeah, that's right.

As you said many times when they lose it, they lose it. They lose everything, they lose it. And that's what we're saying all around the world. Nothing left to lose, they lose it. They're losing it. They got no future. You know, the other thing that really struck me this week when I saw the picture of what's going on in Iran, of course, there's been a lot of violence there. And I'm just going to pull this up here and you can get us back there, Lance, when we do this.

But this is a picture. I know you can't see it, Gerald, but this is a picture of the Iranian police, riot police. They look exactly like ice. They got full militarized helmets and all the rest of the stuff. Of course, their faces are masked as well, all black uniforms. That's what we see over and over again. And, yeah. Look what they're doing to these people in Minnesota.

Yeah, that's right. Who they did that woman, blog your brains out? Look what they did. You see the other one that came out pulling that woman out of a car like that? Yeah. And don't do that. Real men don't act like that against the woman. I agree.

And don't you believe that this is. Real men don't do that. Yeah, I agree. don't you believe that this is deliberate provocation? They want a civil war. Don't you think that's my take on it? You don't think so? Crazy people.

Yeah. I just think that when I look at this, it is so over the top. And of course, we've gotten to the point where, and you look at the aftermath of that shooting with Renee Good. And of course, Trump and, like I said, they didn't even try to think of, well, let's think of some way that we can spend this. they just made stuff up. Like Christine Ome said, yeah, they were stuck in the snow. And as they're trying to get out, she attacks them with their car. They didn't bother to look at it.

You know, when Trump was shown the video by some New York Times reporters in the Oval Office, he was speechless. And he changed the topic. They just didn't even bother. They don't even care. Well, then you know that they're lying anymore. They just lie to your face. That's why I believe that it's a deliberate provocation.

They would love to have a war between these two tribes. And if you look at social media, I mean, the hatred that I see that has been engendered by this is just unbelievable. If you gave both these sides, a lot of guns and go after them, they would gleefully kill each other right now. They don't need any more provocation. Yep. It's amazing. Right. You know, I'm looking for something here.

You said about Trump lying. I'm trying to find. How dare you call them a liar? My resolution, peace on earth. I'm the most anti-war president in history. How dare you call him a liar? September 25th when he's running for office, 24. We want to have peace on earth all over.

How dare you call him a liar? I'm not going to start a war. I'm going to stop wars. October 20th, 2024. All right? all right lying in front of your face lying in front of your face

yeah yeah as a matter of fact when you look at this where do you think things go from Venezuela I mean we've had a moment now where everybody is celebrating him and oh what a genius move this is it seems to me very much like

George W. Bush getting on the aircraft carrier and saying you know this is it this taking his victory lap I think there's a long way to go before he can claim any kind of a victory what do you think in Venezuela? How do you see this moving forward? It's a wild card.

Yeah. Yeah. Nobody knows. Yeah. It is kind of interesting that he's, you know, the line that they're taking because they don't want to say that they arrested ahead of state somewhere and kidnapped him. So what they're saying is he didn't win the election legitimately. And it's like, okay, so who did you say won the election legitimately?

The Machado woman or the Gonzalez guy, you know, they kept her off the ballot. she looked like she was going to win, but they kept her off the ballot. And so the Western observer said, we think Gonzalez won and Maduro stole it. So why don't you put those people in? If you think Gonzalez won it, once you make him the president, why don't you make Machado the president? Of course, that is also a rhetorical question, isn't it? You use the word kidnap. Again, this is why people subscribe to the Trends Journal.

You're not allowed to use that word. All the Western media, they do. never used the word kidnapped. You ready? Mm-hmm. The BBC has again come under scrutiny, this is from the Guardian. After it released, that staff were instructed to avoid using the word kidnapped when reporting the U.S. forcibly seizing Venezuela's president, Nicholas Maduro. The BBC instructions were disclosed by the Guardian.

and the BBC journalists have been banned from describing the kidnapped Venezuelan leader as having been kidnapped a screenshot of what the BBC told reporters. Quote, to ensure clarity and consistency in our reporting, please follow these guidelines when describing the recent events in Venezuela. But the guidance captured is to be attributed to the U.S. description of the operation. as in, quote, the U.S. said Maduro was captured during the operation. The word of thieves is described as acceptable for use in our reporting when appropriate, while journalists must avoid using the term, quote, kidnapped.

I didn't get that memo. I'm still waiting for them to ceasing me on that, I guess. I've been called it kidnapping me the entire time. When I say to you that there's no maximum. magazine like what we're doing. We don't. Nobody tells us what to. We have no advertisers.

Nobody tells us what to do. Media's gone. It's dead. And that's really surprising too because, you know, the BBC, the fact that they would grovel before the U.S. government like that, even as Trump is suing there for what, $10 billion? Is that what the ridiculous amount is?

Yeah, I guess so. Yeah. BBC, yeah. BS, BS crap. So what do you think is going to happen? He's also made some noise about Colombia and Cuba, even though he said Cuba was not going to, they were going to bring them to their knees by making sure they didn't get any oil from Venezuela.

Then they went in and said, okay, well, Mexico can sell them oil. I mean, there's such confusion. It's almost, they don't know what they're doing, do they, from one day? It's almost like the tariffs. How do you read that? You just said it's like the tariffs. Every day, changes his mind. Yeah.

He's out of his mind. What mind? Oh, my mind is only much in the problem with you. I just said it over here, right? My mind. Yeah, his mind and his morality is what John Stewart said. So in other words, nothing. We don't have any morality.

We don't have any mind. Yeah, how about mind your own business? Yeah, that's the mind, right? Let's talk a little bit about Greenland, of all things. What is going on with Greenland? Why do you think they're so desperate? I mean, I'm nuts. Yeah, yeah.

I mean, the only thing I can. see with it. Certainly, you know, they got resources, but how do you get to them? Defense, I mean, he's got a treaty, and they've had military bases there, and in the past, they've had up to 10,000 troops right after World War II. They've only got a couple hundred now, but they still have that treaty. What do you think is going to happen with this stuff? What do you think it's going to do with NATO and that type of? I look at it. My guess is, Gerald, I think they're just going to move a massive number of troops there and say, hey, we've got a right to do this based on the treaty. I could see him just.

Digifying Greenland. What do you think? I don't know what a crazy person is going to do. Do you think he's going to put on a uniform and start prancing around like Napoleon or something? Is that one, is that in the car? They make the uniforms big enough. That's right. Yeah, a little general in a different way, right? Ukraine. What do you think is going to happen with Ukraine?

Again, we said it on and on and over and over. we said that oh remember remember all the crap again from the mainstream media out the BS of the Trump administration that was a peace deal who was right at hand how many how many times do we how many times do we hear that yeah it's very simple we said it from the beginning first we said that go back to your trends journal back in February of 2022 when the war began. There's no way that Ukraine could defeat Russia. That's right.

Polian, you mentioned Napoleon. What do you left, Poland with 240,000 troops to attack Moscow, came back with 10,000? Operation Barbarossa, Germany, they killed 27 million Russians. Who are the first ones to beat the Germans? Yeah. Russians.

That's right. There's no way they're going to beat them. So then, then, when Russia started launching the attack, even back in the early days, they got like 20% of the land. We said,

they're not going to give this back. And then what happened? Oh, remember that other clown? That other arrogant, arrogant, arrogant, arrogant, arrogant, arrogant, fat boy, Lloyd Austin. Remember? Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. The head of the Defense Department, that now is the Department of War. I forgot. Remember the, they're going to add that, what would they call that thing?

The counteroffensive. Yeah. Everybody forgot about the counteroffensive. The crap that they were selling is going to be a huge counteroffensive as slimeball Joe Biden and Anthony Blinken, the secretary escape.

I went to Dalton. I went to Harvard. My daddy was the ambassador hungry. My uncle was the ambassador. I'm just an arrogant piece of scum. Yeah, that guy stole what? About $300 billion of our money? And what happened?

Counteroffensive? Totally lost. Totally forgotten. And what happened with it? Russia took more land. They're not going to give back what they got. End the story. People don't know.

But, of course, and we've done this a thousand times with you in our Trends Journal back in 2014. How happy that guy is, the United States overthrow with a democratically elected government evicting Anakovich in Ukraine back then. So now here's the deal. Why did they attack? Oh, the Azovs, the Nazi Ukrainian government?

How many Russian people are they killed in the Donbos region? Over 15,000? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Again, Ukraine was part of Russia until Khrushchev, who's Ukrainian, it's a separate entity, but it's still within the Soviet Union.

And again, the Eastern Europe part of Ukraine is Russian. And it was slaughtering the Russian people. So here's the deal. They ain't going to be no deal. Russia is not going to give up what it has. So there's going to be a false flag event that's going to unify Europe to try to attack Russia. They've done it before. They'll do it again.

Yeah. Yeah, only the facts. Another piece of scum crap over there, your chance though, over there enjoymenty, moits, or the Black Rock guy, yeah, that clown, borrowing the Gulf, Germany, third largest economy in the world, in a recession for two years, numbers haven't come out yet for 2025, but the estimate is it'll grow by 0.2%. Three years of recent, they're borrowing a trillion dollars to build up their defense, and our infrastructure

sort of could hold the tanks. Germany, France, UK, one country after another in Europe building up their militaries. Yeah. One after another.

And giving warnings about how you've got to get the hospital set up so you can take in a lot of casualties. And of course, they have been at war with their own people over the green agenda. They have destroyed the industrialized base. So now let's repurpose it to making military equipment and let's get the people fighting a different enemy than us. And so I agree with you.

I think it's going to be, you know, it was NATO that pushed this thing from the very beginning and pushed into there, did the coup and all the rest of the stuff. I remember when the U.K. defense minister said at the beginning of this stuff, he said, we beat the Russians once in Crimea. We'll beat them again. I said at the time. So why were the Russians in Crimea a couple of hundred years ago, right, during the Crimean War in the late 1800s? So, you know, why were 150 years ago, I guess? You know, why were the Russians in Crimea 150 years ago? Because the Russians were in Crimea for 400 years.

And what the hell of the British doing all of there? Exactly. Oh, I forgot. I forgot the sun never sets on the British Empire. Yeah, that's right. And again, shut that word king up you, you know what. Yeah. You're an Italian, if they were Italian, you'd call them a mafia.

Murderous, murderous, murderous, scum. Yep, yeah. So, yeah, I agree with you. I think there will be a false flag or something that's going to be driven by the European side. And, of course, they're very eager to put boots on the ground. Already the UK prime minister said, we're going to get boots on the ground. They're trying to drag us into it with a security guarantee. What do you think about that?

Do you think that the U.S. will do that? I mean, there'll be a political cost for Trump to do that. I think the United States will join it. Yeah. Again, NATO, the deal made between Gorbachev and Bush Sr., James Baker at the time quote, NATO will not move one inch further.

Mm-hmm. If you're 16 NATO countries then, now there were 32. Yeah. Yeah. So if we had the Russians up here in Canada, four and a half hours for me, and the Chinese down in Mexico,

oh, America would be fine with that, wouldn't they? That's one of the interesting things I think about Greenland is this, you know, Trump is really getting Denmark and a lot of other countries upset about this. That's the, about the only silver lining I see. And this is that it's a chaos and division within NATO over this Greenland thing. What the hell is Denmark doing in Greenland? Yeah, I think some of the Greenline people have said that as well.

What about Greenland just being Greenland and get the hell out of it? That's right. Yeah, well, they have said that over and over again. they've said that they don't want to be under the U.S. or under Denmark, but even more so not under the U.S. and, you know, the bribes that they're offering them and all the rest of this stuff. So let's take a look at the domestic stuff because, again, it's probably not going to be too much longer before we get the Supreme Court decision that's going to say whether or not Trump has to give back the tariffs that he put in arbitrarily on everybody. And he's talking about how that's going to be a real mess and so he can't really undo what he just arbitrarily did. What do you think the economic consequences are going to be if that happens?

Because it does lean towards that. Not a lot. Yeah. I don't think it'll make much of a difference on that. The tariffs haven't caused the inflation, according to the data that they anticipated it would be. And again, it's, you know, by the way, you mentioned something before. I want to go back to it. You mentioned about, I forgot the exact phrase that you used.

about Europe's, you know, de-industrialization or something. How did you say it? Yeah, they've gone to war with their own people and de-industrialized it. Yeah. Who de-industrialized it? This is the guy. Not them. Slick Willie, huh?

Or China into the World Trade Organization. Yeah, yeah. 25 years ago. What happened? All these Western companies. that went over there to get cheap labor gave China all the high tech and heavy industry

capabilities they never had. And now, these are the Chinese and not stupid people. Now, who's the leader in AEVs? B-YD? As I said, who's going to lead the world in AI? China. They did it for that.

So go back. Again, only by the facts. You go back to 2001 to like 2018, 2019. There's Volkswagen, BMW, Mercedes, Ford, GM. They're selling cars like crazy. Their profits are skyrocketing. And then what happened? We don't need you any.

Everything we've ever had. And now we got more than you. That's what happened. And then when you look at the Paris Climate Accord, they didn't just give them the heavy industry. They also gave them the energy monopoly. I mean, they have access to cheap, affordable energy that nobody in Western Europe has.

You know, the UK, when I say they're deindustrializing them. I mean, they're really just going through and ripping everything out, shutting down all their coal plants, even shutting down the plants that can make steel. because, hey, it's going to destroy the world. You know, we have CO2 and that type of thing. And yet, nobody cares if it's done in China or if it's done in India. They only care about the CO2 if it's coming out of the U.S. or the EU.

China is doing all they can right now to make it cleaner, particularly with these EVs. And that is out there, what they're doing in so many different ways. I mean, they're the solar capital of the world. Mm-hmm. And so they're trying to get off this. And by the way, but they're making the solar panels by burning coal from North Korea.

I'm saying they're coming up with new technologies that they're investing in. Yeah, that's right. I can do it. And, you know, going to an EV, that was something that right away, you know, we had such a lead on them, all the industrialized countries of the West, had such a lead on them in terms of internal combustion. engines, and then that was just thrown out the window. Okay, now everybody's going to have batteries and motors, and so it's very easy to catch up

on that type of thing, isn't it? And they're going to, I'm telling you, I read this stuff, man. They're investing very heavily in alternative energies and, and again, by the facts. They're EV crazy. Yeah, yeah. They're doing away with combustion engines. And again, yeah, again, I'm four and a half. half hours if I drive to Montreal from here.

Take Am crap. You know how long it takes? Right across the river. Reincliffe. From Reif to Montreal by train? Ten hours. I don't know. My friend just went there.

Back in four. Ten hours each way. Yeah. Take the subway in New York. How about a night in Calcutta? Filthy, dirty, ancient crap. Mm-hmm. go to China. How about the high speed rail?

Like about 250 miles an hour? Yeah. Yeah. They're going cleaners. They're trying. We're not doing anything. That's right. That's right.

We're going backwards. Again, the 20th century I say was the American century, but unfortunately, the 21st century is going to be the Chinese century. Yeah. Because the business of America is, war. That's right. The China's business.

That's right. Yeah. Hey, hey, hey, go back to, go back to February last year, right? Right. I'm on. CNBC says, the defense sector market went way down because President Trump said who's going to cut the military budget by $50 billion,

$500 billion. That was last February. Oh, what did he say last week? Yeah. Put another $500 billion into it. Yeah. Yeah. Just had a record all-time high of a trillion dollars, hit that for the first time.

Then right away, it turns around. Let's make it one and a half trillion. Yeah. Let's increase it by 50%. Yeah. What did you say last February? Yeah. Again, how can Pete, lies, lies in front of your eyes.

And they hate me for calling him out as lies. I'm scared. I got to tell you, will ICE come in here and kill me? or have somebody there killed me. Well, yeah, that's the thing. ICE has become a, I think they're gearing it up for a secret police surveillance state because you look at their budget.

And, you know, $28.5 billion, and it would be the 14th largest military in the world if it was a separate country. Their military is between Ukraine and Israel in terms of the amount of money that they have. And what are they doing with the money? Not just tiring. They're getting a lot.

lot of surveillance technology to surveil everybody, everywhere. And yet they don't want you to see their face. Boy, if you take a cell phone video of them, they want to beat you and kill you. Oh, you see the pictures of what they're doing to people. Yeah, absolutely. They punch this kid, throw them out into the street. You do anything. He's taking a picture.

Yeah. Again, you know, it's terrible what's going on. And there's going to be, you know, it's only going to get worse. Again, it's going to be the total surveillance state. You'll know what you did, where you did, what you did, it's going to be. You know, I want to move on to something else, by the way. Sure, yeah. The bank stocks are going down as we're talking.

You know that I've called an office building bust. When they locked down COVID, everything changed. Everything changed. Here, you ready? Mm-hmm. This is my data. This is WDRB. they say that

Central Business District in Louisville vacancy rate 40%. Wow. Louisville. How about Chicago? 28%.

27 and change. Denver. Portland, Oregon, Seattle, Washington. All the high 20%, 30% range. Vacant. Vacant.

Yeah. Yeah. Let's say my firm owns the building and leases. Remember, the COVID war happened in 2020. Leases are five and ten year leases. Now this is six years later. Leases have been up. Ain't renewing, man.

Don't need all the space. My work at home three days a week. I had them in little cubicles, never saw them anyway. You don't need them here. Come in a couple of days a week. That's it. how they're going to pay their mortgages their loans they're not

they're not that's why this repo is going on they're dumping hundreds of billions of dollars so the banksters could borrow money for free because they ain't got the dough there's going to be failures

the banks are not going to be able to cover these losses ain't ancient history three years ago Silicon Conman Valley Bank First Republic and what was the other one? Silicon, First Republic,

and it was another one that went bust. I think the third one, they were still solvent, but they kind of forced them out because they didn't like the crypto stuff that was there, right? I'm trying to remember, yeah. Three banks, boom,

down went the equities and up point gold prices. First Republic, that was it, First Republic, signature, and Silicon. Free banks, boom. Markets are crashing, Gold prices spiking. That was three banks. It's going to be 30 banks. Yeah. We're going to see failures. Again, the data is all there. Yep. U.S. cities where central business districts office vacancies, rates are low. They got it right here. And it's one after another. The average is over 20%.

And you know, you talk about that three banks going down and how it spooked the markets. and everything. And I'm looking at this back and forth with Trump and everybody said, oh, we want Fed independence and all this. I was like, yeah, I want it to. I want to be independent of them. But that's not in the cards. But nevertheless, once Trump

starts to make his moves and, of course, he's doing some of his own quantitative easing, he wants to manipulate interest rates and all the rest of stuff, it's going to spook the marketplace, I think. And, you know, I think it'll happen very quickly, the reactions to

because people are going to calculate that. They're not going to wait for it to trickle through. It's going to be right away. People are going to react to that. Of course, that's going to impact gold, right? Oh, yeah. You ready? This is according to Boutis.

Dayton, Ohio, vacancy rate, 37.5%. Their number in Dallas, Texas, 34.4%. St. Louis, 33%. San Antonio, 31.4% Las Vegas,

30.7%. Wow. Again, homeless everywhere. It's the way of the world. And it's only going to get worse if we don't have peace on earth.

And again, you know my money where my mouth is. I lost occupied peace. You were kind enough to come up here. Your wife and son, you know, and speaking. here. If we don't these billionaires, if they gave us a billion dollars apiece, we'd have it tomorrow. You can't do it without the dough. And if we don't have peace on earth, it's going to be hell

on earth. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, you've been saying for a while that this is going to be leading to, you know, what was dialed in with the fake pandemic, was a greater depression, as well as dragflation that even anticipated that, you know, prior to that, because of all the

the phony manipulations by the Federal Reserve, on quantitative easing and everything. They had dialed in stagflation, but you called it dragflation because it wasn't just going to go stagnant. It was going to go down quite a bit. But then with all the commercial real estate issues because of lockdown and how things change along with that,

a greater depression that is in the works here. And so there's any good news that you see. No, I don't see any good news at all. The only thing to me, by the way, that it'll change is a renaissance. We have to back the spirit of what this country used to be. When the black plague happened and some

60% of Europe was wiped out because of the filthy sanitation, and the Renaissance began in the late 1300s. They used to say, Aliromana et al Antica in the manner of the Romans and the ancients to the quality of their work.

But it wasn't without the Medici's, the bansters of the day that made it happen. facts don't mean anything to people we have to bring up the spirit of what this country was and why people all over the world wanted to come here at one time it was the land of opportunity and now the big zone everything

that's right that's right again when you and I were young guys they've said this a thousand times there were hardware stores stationary stores drug stores shoes stores clothing stores fish stores everything now is a chain yeah goes back to gen z revolution future. Yeah.

A future there. That's right. So Renaissance to me is the only way it'll change. Facts don't mean anything to people. We bring back the music style and spirit of this country. Again, you know, one of my books, then you could get this on going to Trends Journal, my favorite book,

when Zitzi gave Honeyboy, and Zitzi is the Neapolitan dialect for Auntie. And Honey Boy, she used to call me. And that's the picture. I don't know if you could see that in my parents' wedding. Mm-hmm. Yeah, see that. 1934. My father worked in a fish store. They worked in factories. The gates, the Buffets, the Bezos, the musks, the Zuckerbergs,

couldn't come close to what these people look like. The way they're dressed, the style. You look at the pictures of what during the Great Depression of people online looking for food. Look at the way they're dressed. Look at the stylish country used to have. And now it turns to crap. People dress like crap, look like crap and eat crap.

Oh, don't believe me. What does the president eat? Oh, when they're big of those. Yeah. You know, Joel, when you're talking about that, I thought about you when Sean Duffy was lecturing everybody just before the holiday, saying, have some respect. You know, the way people are dressing when they get on a plane.

It's like, shut up. I mean, you're the one who's forcing us to take off all of our clothes to get on a plane. You're the one who's taking away all of our self-respect, our freedom, our dignity. You know, those things are tied together. B.F. Skinner understood that. He wrote a book called Beyond Freedom and Dignity. And it was about psychological manipulation. That's what they've been doing to us.

They want to destroy our dignity so they can destroy our freedom. Exactly. I hate traveling anymore. Yeah. Yeah. I don't want traveling. Again, before I forget, you talked about ICE and how much their budget is. Who created it?

I don't know. Who created ice? I don't know. Homeland Security? Oh, yeah. That's right. Yeah. Is that part of Homeland Security?

Yeah. Little George Bush. After 9-11. That's right. Yep. And 90% of the people swallowed the crap coming out of that little boy

with a pair ofone smaller than a morph wolf. Yes. Any at all. We're going to get that guy Osama bin, been like get along. Did you say what Christy Knoem did this week? She had a press conference there at Homeland Security and they had on the podium, one of ours, all of theirs. And everybody pointed out, well, you know, that's kind of the motto of the Nazis when they wiped out that city and Czechoslovakia after the assassination of Hydric. And, you know, it's amazing. They're just right in your face about this stuff. Look what they did.

90% of the people, they stole how many trillions of dollars to kill the a couple hundred thousand Afghan people? Yeah. What's the longest war in American history that nobody talks about? The slime, they have weapons and mass destruction and ties down K in Iraq. Total lie. Yeah. People ordered.

And you know, Trump said it was a lie, didn't he? You know, when he was running for president. And then when he becomes president, he takes the woman who did the torture, who covered up for the torture and then sold the lie in Washington, Gina Haspel, he made her the head of the CIA. Yeah. Yeah. It's amazing.

It is really amazing. I say, it's a freak show and the freaks are running the show. Yeah, that's right. Well, it's going to be an interesting year, as the Chinese say, you know, may live in interesting times or whatever. The crisis and opportunity, that is danger and opportunity. That's really the definition of crisis. is and I think it's going to be a crisis year.

Yep. It's already in front of us. Oh, yeah. I mean, it seems like it's already been a year and it's just a couple of weeks into it. It's moving really, really fast. And again, on the Trends Journal, we have our top trends, 12 of them, for 2026, and they're coming true already. And so if you want to read history before it happens, and again, you go to night, you put that link in there. It's a grand total of $2.50 a week. pennies a day. Yeah.

Is there anything? I kind of drove this in terms of the economy and war, but any other trends that we didn't talk about that you see on the head coming up? You said 12 different trends. You know, one of them that people aren't talking about is this techitis. The young people are totally messed up with this and it's only going to get worse. Little infants, you know, on their things. And human spirit is being lost.

and we have to change. Yeah. Yeah, it's like an inflammation, isn't it? It really is. I like that techitis. That's a good description of it. And again, unfortunately, it's going to be also off with their heads 2.0. You're going to see a lot more revolutions going on around the world.

Again, the rich own everything. And again, you look at the data from Oxfam how rich they got when they locked down the world. Yeah. Billionaires got trillions and trillions of dollars. richer as we all went down. Yeah. And again, the guy, who's that guy that had Twitter? What was that guy?

Jack Dorsey. Yep. He was one of the first to lock down. He was supposed to go to South Africa. Mm-hmm. They were the first to lock down, the geeks. And boy, their business boom when they started to Zoom, all everything changed. Their businesses boomed.

Yeah. Lockdowns. They were the first ones to lock down. And everybody forgets the data. We wrote about it as it happened. You know where COVID landed first? Where is that? Washington at a nursing hall.

Yeah. Yeah. And what else? Kirkland, Washington. Oh, and again, remember Seattle was booming back then?

Mm-hmm. And how about your office vacancy rate there? And how about San Francisco? Yeah. You left your heart in San Francisco. You better have any money. They're going to steal it from you. Look what a crap hole is started into.

Yeah. The Sikhs did it. Look at her. Like I said, they got this wrong in the King's James Bible when they said the meek shall inherit the earth. The geeks have inherited the earth. Yeah. Yeah, and this is your, I predict, a lot of people predicted that Musk will become the first

trillionaire. He's not too far away from there already. And he's got a big stock offering that's going to be coming out with SpaceX. And I imagine that'll put him over the top. Not a penny for peace. That's right. Oh, I remember, we didn't see each other since Christmas time. We were all these religions that talked about the Prince of Peace.

Yeah. Oh, you had a Christmas sale still. All right, I forgot. Okay. All right. Then I call it Black Friday for nothing. It was like a black mass. You know, it's a...

I want White Friday. Yeah, that's right. Thank you so much, Gerald. It's always great to talk to you. And let's hope that something changes, but certainly the trends. are you're right on top. You know, the trends are looking bad,

but it's something that we need to keep an eye on for our own purposes. And about one of the few things that we can do, I think, is to try to protect ourselves and what little wealth we've got in terms of trying to get into gold as much as we can. That's about the only play that's left for the little guy, I think, isn't it?

Well, again, we don't give financial advice, but the little guys, that's why you're seeing silver prices spike. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. I call that the poor man's gold. That's another reason is driving it up. That's right. Yeah.

Even in India, I mean, they were able to buy massive quantities of silver so much that they created shortages with that. So thank you so much, Gerald. And let's hope that maybe things will turn in a different way. But hope is not a strategy, is it? It's a, we can serve. I can word the metaphysical dictionary because it wants something to happen without doing anything to make it happen. Yeah, that's right. But please do what you can do in a positive way.

Yeah. Best shape you can, physically, emotionally and spiritually. Spiritually, especially, yeah. It's a party to prevail, but rather an irate tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men, said Samuel Adams. And I'm on that trip. That's right. And it is really the spiritual foundation that we have lost,

wanting to have this happen, and of course, our connection to God. Thank you so much, Gerald, and thank you for coming on. It's always great talking. It's been too long since we've talked. Thank you. Have a good day. Thank you. Thank you for all that you're doing.

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