The David Knight Show - Fri Episode #2314: AI Controls the Mind. Chronic Disease Controls the Body

Episode Date: July 24, 2026

── Interview 1: C.R. Wiley — St. Anthony's Guide to Surviving the AI Apocalypse ──────────────────────────────────────...────[00:07:52]Pastors Who Use AI to Write Sermons Are Cheating Themselves and Their Congregation — Wiley Calls It a Disciplinary MatterIt inserts something between the pastor and his text; prayerful study of Scripture with his own people in mind is the calling; denominations should address it formally.────────────────────────────────────────[00:22:05]Wiley's Three Principles From St. Anthony: Go to the Analog, Discern the Spirits, Fight for Your BodyThe desert is no longer a location — it's the analog world; AI is a glorified calculator with nobody home; the internet of bodies is coming and you must refuse to become part of it.────────────────────────────────────────[00:25:17]Peter Thiel Compares Himself to Aragorn Using Palantir Against Sauron — Wiley Asked Afterward: Do You Have That Kind of Self-Mastery?Thiel argued private industry is always two steps ahead of government and functions as a restraint on the antichrist system; he explicitly rejected C.S. Lewis's Abolition of Man.────────────────────────────────────────[00:42:16]Thiel Equates Progress With Christianity — Calls Any Regulation of AI AntichristHe credited Christianity with the technological revolution; anyone who inhibits technological progress, including Pope Leo XIII, he considers antichrist; he praised Rushdoony's work on private education. ──────────────────────────────────────── ── Interview 2: Dr. Darrell Wolfe — DOD Protocol / Escape the Matrix ──────────────────────────────────────────[01:15:17]Trauma-Drama Chemical Dumps Happen 110-120 Times Per Day Since COVID — Up From 3 Per Month 75 Years AgoCortisol, adrenaline, and histamine are acidic; before COVID the body could recover; now most people never stop dripping stress hormones, creating chronic acidic inflammation.────────────────────────────────────────[01:16:16]There Is No Cancer — There Is Only Cellular Oxygen Suffocation Caused by InflammationNobel laureate Dr. Otto Warburg proved cancer is a 35% drop in cellular oxygen; cells switch to fermenting lactic acid to survive; the mutation narrative was designed to obscure this.────────────────────────────────────────[01:23:35]Children Are Now Medium Brown Inside at Age 10 From Chronic Inflammation — 75 Years Ago That Happened at 40Human tissue browns like meat in an oven; by age 30 most people are dark brown internally; Wolf says autopsists confirm it; inflammation is the fire, chronic chemical exposure is the fuel.────────────────────────────────────────[01:27:08]When Cellular Electrical Conductivity Drops 25%, Parasites Begin — at 35%, Cancer FollowsHealthy cells run at 0.04 volts; a 15% voltage drop cuts oxygen and creates pain; at 25% the body begins decomposing living tissue; at 35% cells switch metabolic pathways — that is cancer. ──────────────────────────────────────── Money should have intrinsic value AND transactional privacy: Go to https://davidknight.gold/ for great deals on physical gold/silver For 10% off Gerald Celente's prescient Trends Journal, go to https://trendsjournal.com/ and enter the code “KNIGHT” For high quality made in America products go to HomeSteadProducts.shop and use promo code “Knight” for 10% off your purchases Find out more about the show and where you can watch it at TheDavidKnightShow.com If you would like to support the show and our family please consider subscribing monthly here: SubscribeStar https://www.subscribestar.com/the-david-knight-show Or you can send a donation throughMail: David Knight POB 994 Kodak, TN 37764Zelle: @DavidKnightShow@protonmail.comCash App at: $davidknightshowBTC to: bc1qkuec29hkuye4xse9unh7nptvu3y9qmv24vanh7Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-david-knight-show--2653468/support.

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Starting point is 00:00:30 of deceit. Telling the truth is a revolutionary act. It's the David Knight Show. As the clock strikes 13, it's Friday the 24th of July, year of our Lord, 2006. Well, today we have a couple of very interesting guests. I think you're going to enjoy these interviews. Our first guest is going to be talking about surviving the AI apocalypse. This is someone who was invited by Peter Thiel to critique his Antichrist's lecture. So we're going to talk about that as well as his approach as a Christian to how do we survive AI as it is advancing toward us. And then we're also going to have a health interview. This is Dr. Darrell Wolfe who's going to be joining us. He has a very different point of view regarding health and healing. And I would just ask you, keep an open mind,
Starting point is 00:01:31 listen, hear him out, hear what he has to say. Then you can critique it. But first hear what he has to say. It's a very paradigm shifting change. And certainly when we look at these two big issues and what is happening to our food, to the drugs, to our environment, as well as the attacks coming at us
Starting point is 00:01:53 from artificial intelligence, these are two important topics. Stay with us. We'll be right back. Joining us now is pastor and author C.R. Wiley, he's written a book man-made about artificial intelligence. And it has an interesting subtitle here, St. Anthony's Guide to the Future here. Or the apocalypse, I should say. Sorry, I couldn't read that. It was sideways on the sheet here. But tell us a little bit about that. And why St. Anthony? I don't know anything about St. Anthony.
Starting point is 00:02:35 Well, it's, yeah, the title is, the subtitle is a St. Anthony's Guide to Surviving the AI Apocos. Surviving, yes. Okay. Right. And St. Anthony is considered the, you could say, the first monastic, he was an Egyptian, lived in the third and fourth centuries, was a friend of Athanasius of Alexandria. And Athanasius wrote a book and titled The Life of Anthony. Of course, Antonaceous also gave us on the incarnation, which is really a significant work that helped to contribute to the Nicene Creed and its crafting. But another person who was a fan of Anthony was Augustine.
Starting point is 00:03:16 So in his confessions, he reflects on discovering Anthony and reading Athanasius on Anthony and was just astonished by him. But I used Anthony as more or less an inspiration for thinking about how to preserve our humanity in the face of a ever sort of growing tendency or our trend in our society to digitize everything, including human beings and sort of incorporate us into the world of machines. So that was the nature of that. The first half of the book is entitled The Nightmare, where I go into a lot of the, well, the dystopian sort of possibilities that actually have been presented to us by people in the AI world. It is a conspiracy. When they're telling you what they're breathing together to do, it's not like we're theorizing and saying, well, you know, I think they're going to do this. We're going to do this. That's bad enough, isn't it?
Starting point is 00:04:22 And I guess the question would be, are we going to live a monastic lifestyle here to survive this? You've got also in your back of your back cover, you say, will you accept the limits with gratitude and return to the analog world? Yes. I think many of us would. Right, right. Yeah, so that's basically my premise. But the second half of the book is an attempt to think about putting limits on ourselves and on the technology so that we can have the best of world. So I'm not a person that just wants to throw it all out. I actually think there are many
Starting point is 00:04:58 really marvelous applications for the technology. But we'll be able to exercise the kind of virtue and self-control necessary to get the best out of it without doing the worst to ourselves. That's right. And of course, some of the people who are pushing this out and are looking to use it for some of the most heinous applications. I'm thinking of Alex Karp, of Palantir, who is saying, well, you know, this general AI that's out there, the chat programs, he said, that's really, it's bad and it doesn't make sense for business, and it's pretty dangerous, is what he had to say. So he said, so you've got to have like an application layer for it to really be useful. And in a sense, we are that application level, I think, when we look at it.
Starting point is 00:05:44 I thought it was kind of interesting when I saw Trump come up with what he called it, his Genesis mission. I've been talking about the evil of AI for quite some time. And I've always thought of it in terms of Genesis. In terms of Genesis 3, the fall of man, right? You will live forever. Here's a tree of knowledge. And with that, you're going to live forever and you're going to become like God. It's like, okay, there's that Genesis.
Starting point is 00:06:06 Then it seems like there's also the Genesis 6 where you have the corruption of man and another falling that happens there before the flood. Then there's also the Genesis 11, where you've got a tower of back. the pride of man, the unification of man into a global governance. And so it's like, yeah, it is a Genesis mission, isn't it? Yeah, that's right. I think all those applications are apropos. I really agree with you.
Starting point is 00:06:30 And it's fascinating to see how even secularists draw the lines to those various things, especially the Babel count, you know. Oh, yeah, especially. Yeah, when you look at that, it's almost like a counterfeit version of Pentecost. You've got everybody. There's no separate. of language anymore, but it's for a different purpose, isn't it? It really can translate instantly between different languages and sorry being used for that.
Starting point is 00:06:59 Right. So tell us a little bit about recently we had a survey that showed that the large percentage of pastors actually admitted using AI for their sermons. Give us your take on that. Well, in my mind, that's a betrayal of your calling. And I think that denominations ought to take a hard look at this trend and address it in a disciplinary way. I think that there are ways that AI can be used that are helpful, I mean, just basic research and so forth. But even then you need to double-check your work.
Starting point is 00:07:35 You're not necessarily getting something that you can rely on even when you do that. But anything beyond that, I think that that's a disciplinary matter. And I think that, say if a pastor uses it to make or craft a sermon, he's cheating himself and cheating his congregation. And he's also inserting something between himself and the whole process of crafting a servant, which is something that should occur. And a pastor's study prayerfully as he's working through a text and crafting a sermon with his own people in mind, not just simply, you know, providing a few prompts and getting some kind of manuscript
Starting point is 00:08:16 that he can read to people or even, you know, present himself online as reading it when it's in fact just an avatar of him. You can create, you can do that too. So, yeah, and I think that my, you know, one of my major concerns, and I addressed this in the book,
Starting point is 00:08:37 is the atrophy of skill. I think, and this is something that educators have picked up on, and that is the same phenomenon that occurs when astronauts go into space and don't have gravity to provide the stress, the stressors needed to keep muscles and bones healthy. The same kind of thing can happen when you are relying on A, how to do all your thinking for you. There's an atrophying process that occurs, and I think that we're just going to get, we run the risk of getting dumber and dumber. It's just kind of like idiotic. You know, we have a future ahead of us in which everybody's just their IQs keep sinking. Yeah, yeah. Well, we've seen that as well.
Starting point is 00:09:17 Years ago, when I first started talking about this, when you had the apps on your phone that could do directions for people and give you driving directions, it used to be that the London cabbies had to work quite a while to learn all these little tiny streets. You know, they go for just a short period and then they change into another name and take a different direction and so forth. It was this Byzantine network of street names that evolved over centuries. And so they'd ride around on a bicycle learning that. They called it doing the knowledge. And they could actually physically measure the fact that these guys, whatever part of the brain I don't remember is, that stored that. They could actually see they had a larger brain.
Starting point is 00:09:56 After they started using the smartphone apps for driving directions, that started shrinking. And it really is an atrophy that we see there. Yeah. Yeah, and I think that's a good illustration of a principle that carries over into everything. I mean, it's not just, you know, cabbies that we should be worrying about. We should be thinking about our children. We should be thinking about ourselves. We should be thinking about our pastors.
Starting point is 00:10:20 We should be thinking about our political leaders. You know, the prospect of letting chat chvety or whatever chat pot you use do all of your thinking for you is pretty horrific. That's right. Talk a little bit about some of the other aspects of this. And of course, when I look at it, I see a lot of counterfeiting going on. And I don't mean that it's just going out there and scraping intellectual property from people and, you know, creating generic music or something like that. That's the other thing.
Starting point is 00:10:49 I mean, if you listen to some of this AI-created music, you wouldn't want to create an AI-generated sermon or something, right? It's just going to be kind of generic stuff. And who knows what its bias is on some of these things. But when you look at this, it's kind of interesting to me. to see some of the aspects of kind of counterfeit miracles, for example. Elon Musk with his neural ink, he's talking about making the blind sea and the lame walk and all the rest of the stuff. And it's like, what do you make of that?
Starting point is 00:11:18 You know, when I look at it, even with Genesis 6 and the Nephilim, it's like, you know, is this kind of like using a Ouija board? Is there something kind of literally demonic about it in some regards? Yeah, well, there are a lot of folks who have reflected on that, people like Joe Allen and Rod Dreher. And I think I'm open to the prospect of a literal demonic danger lurking in this stuff. At the same time, I think that we can also understand this is dangerous stuff just on the basis of what I was just talking about before, how it affects us and manipulates us. So just thinking a little bit about, say, the dependencies that young people are now developing
Starting point is 00:12:00 with regard to their chatbot buddies, you know, imaginary friends. and so forth, that the whole process of becoming dependent itself is something that we should worry about, but what these chatbots are doing in terms of isolating children, keeping them from actually forming real friendships and connections with real people, all that kind of stuff. And then, you know, what it tells them to do sometimes. And we've got stories of kids, teenagers who've killed themselves and stuff. And you're like, so I guess chat GP gets a pass on something like that. You know, they don't have to, like, take any responsibility for what happened.
Starting point is 00:12:39 It's just nuts. So, yeah, I think all that stuff is worrisome. But, you know, when it comes to, say, the medical stuff, that's where, you know, there's just got to be a lot of really hard thinking and, you know, work done to navigate all of that. So, for example, you know, the whole thing that with the neuralink, yes, I mean, the upside is something like being able to help people improve their sight. You know, people who are suffering from some kind of disease or some kind of a handicap or accident that lost, you know, they lost their sight.
Starting point is 00:13:22 But at the same time, I think we often lose sight of the ways that these technologies can be used to subtly manipulate us. So you basically are walking around with something stuck into your head that could be employed to do all kinds of things to you without your awareness, giving you certain biases, maybe even coloring the way you see things. You know, I don't put it past these folks to use that as the, it's kind of the wedge. You know, think about all the marvelous benefits that you could enjoy because of a neural link, you know, like you said, helping people walk again, whatever. But then it's a Trojan horse situation. There's something else possible as well.
Starting point is 00:14:12 And it doesn't go away. In fact, it's going to get worse as the technology improves. Yeah, whenever you look at any medical, so-called miracle, usually they come with some unintended consequence or adverse effect. Although this may actually be something that was something that they planned. I mean, when we look at all the different aspects of what government, seeks to do, especially with AI, it's got all the different aspects of God, right? Omniscient and omnipresent and omnipotent. It's got all these omnis there. That's why I referred to the
Starting point is 00:14:45 Genesis Act as kind of the Omni bus. You've got to get off this bus because it's going to try to dominate you with God-like powers. That's what it's really designed for. And of course, when Trump put this out at first in November of 2025, the the Genesis mission that he put out there. It's now been enacted into law in the Genesis Act. And he was saying that it was going to be like a Manhattan Project. Well, it doesn't have the level of funding that the Manhattan Project has. I mean, the Manhattan Project was $2 billion in the 1940s. That'd be equivalent to $30 to $36 billion today. His project is funded at 1.2. But it might have the destructive power of a nuclear bomb.
Starting point is 00:15:32 Oh, sure. Yeah. That might be with an analogy as not the spending, but the destructive power. Yeah, there have been a number of thinkers who've essentially noted that we are in a quandary. And the quandary is there's kind of a technological imperative if we don't do it, the Chinese will, in that kind of thing. So, and I think there's something to be, you know, taking a heart when we think about that. But getting back to your earlier comment about maniacal and sort of crazy and sort of insidious, you know, agenda behind this, all you need to do is, you know, look at a few videos of Yuval Noah Harari and his retent calculations on what, you know, we'll be able to do. And you're like, this guy is an incredibly creepy person.
Starting point is 00:16:23 And he's excited about this. I get excited whenever I listen to him because he always encourages me. I think of it as the Tower of Babel, right? And I think of David and Goliath and what David said to Goliath. You're trying to set yourself up as God. He's going to take care of you. And so when I look at that and I look at what these people are trying to do, it's like, okay, they're shaking their fist at God.
Starting point is 00:16:45 To me, that is the most hopeful thing we can see from our adversaries. Right, right. Yeah, I'm with you. I feel the same way. Yeah. Well, you know, when we look at this, it is kind of interesting, the different things that we've seen. And you're talking about how people get drawn in into interacting with this,
Starting point is 00:17:01 thinking that it's something real and how dangerous that is, especially for kids. Call that AI psychosis is what people call that. With Richard Dawkins, though, Richard Dawkins can't believe there's a guy, but he believes that he's talking to a conscious entity there when he does chats. I thought that was kind of fun.
Starting point is 00:17:20 Yeah, you know, the whole thing with consciousness, you know, you're probably aware of Jeffrey Hinton, the guy that won the Nobel Prize for developing the table. technology, the neural network technology that makes AI possible. Well, he's a materialist, and he does believe that AI has got a rudinary form of consciousness already, but it makes perfect sense because they think that our consciousness is due to just material processes, you know, chemical, biochemistry. So they're just carrying that over into the technology they're developing, and they actually
Starting point is 00:17:55 think that they're creating a new form of life. I've got friends who are in Silicon Valley who are working in the world of artificial intelligence, and a number of them are Christians, and they're very disturbed by what their colleagues say at lunch break and a coffee break and stuff about what they think they're up to. They really do think they're creating a new form of life. They think they're creating something divine and character, or maybe even providing us with some kind of access to interdimensional intelligences and stuff. So, you know, all this stuff, you know, maybe people sometimes will accuse people like you and me of alarmism. All you need to do is read what they actually say. Yes. And if you're not alarmed, there's something wrong with you.
Starting point is 00:18:38 You know, I interviewed several years ago, Hugo Degaris, who wrote a book called The Ardelecht War. And in it, he was, are you familiar with that? Yeah. He was saying that at the time, he had that same materialistic viewpoint. It's like, well, if we can build an exact replica of the human brain, it'll just spring into consciousness, you know. I'm like spontaneous direction or something like that. Right. And I actually in 2016, there was a guy named Zoltan Istvon who ran.
Starting point is 00:19:05 Oh, yeah. He follows me on X. Oh, does he? Well, when I interviewed him, I asked him, I said, so you're talking about the singularity and you're going to, you think that you're going to be able to transfer whatever you are into some kind of a machine or something. So exactly, what are you? What are you transferring?
Starting point is 00:19:24 You know, are you making a copy of a? a bunch of ones and zeros, or is there something that is, you know, some consciousness that is immaterial, but nevertheless, it is the essence of you because that's what Christians would say. But, of course, Zoltan, that's his antagonist in his books of the Christians, that they were intolerant of the singularity and other things like that. Unfortunately, Christians, I think, are all too tolerant of all these different things that are happening out. We don't even oppose it verbally.
Starting point is 00:19:52 I'm not saying we need to kill people or blow things up, but they don't even oppose it verbally. Yeah, I've noticed that there's a kind of a studied avoidance of the subject in certain Christian circles. I think a lot of these folks are afraid of being labeled, you know, Luddites, you know, and, you know, that's a name that they want to avoid, like they want to avoid the name racist or something. And they're just really afraid of people labeling them as obscurantists and Luddites and that kind of stuff. And consequently, they just don't think about it or want to think about it. They're just going to be carried along by half.
Starting point is 00:20:31 I got past all the concerns about labeling a long time ago. Yeah, me too. I've been labeled against conspiracy theorists and anti-vaxxer or, you know, patriarch or whatever. I'm just done with all that. I don't really care what invective you throw at me with any of that. Just embrace it, right? And say, yeah, let's just go for it. But it is a tactic to try to try to.
Starting point is 00:20:56 to seize a moral high ground, but usually that's all they've got is labels when they start doing that type of thing. That's all they've got to throw at you. So tell us a little bit about your book. And again, you talked about St. Anthony's guide to surviving this. And, you know, because he set up a monastic lifestyle, what does that kind of suggest to you and suggest it in the book? Yeah, there are basically just three things that I drew from his example. One, One is going into the desert, and what I say is basically the future that we are entering is a largely digital one. And the desert is no longer a location on a map. You can get, you can get a Starlink connection in, you know, Death Valley.
Starting point is 00:21:46 There's no place to go. The desert is the analog. So we need to spend a lot of time in the analog. We need to have a preference for the analog. The next thing is Anthony, who was known for his ability to discern the spirits, we need to be able to discern whether there's even a spirit there. You know, so there's, you know, when we're talking to AI, there's nobody home. It's just, you know, it's just a glorified calculator, probability machine. You know, there's nothing there.
Starting point is 00:22:16 And it can fool you, and people who get fooled by it are being robbed. But that's the second thing, discerning the spirits. And then the third thing is the battle for the body. Don't let it possess you, literally, like we've just talked about with Neurilink and things like that. There will be, I think, a concerted effort to make us part of the Internet of Things. Oh, yeah. And they don't talk about that, the Internet of Bodies. You know, they talk about the Internet of Things.
Starting point is 00:22:43 But then, you know, that's all of our cars, all of our devices, your refrigerator or whatever. But they want to get you in there as well, don't they? That's right. So don't let them. Yeah. So Anthony, you know, he fought for. for his body in the sense that he was trying to exercise, you know, self-control. He used, you know, fasting and so forth to do that. And he went to lengths that I don't think we're healthy,
Starting point is 00:23:07 but at least the principle that he, the thing that he was pursuing was, I think, really essential. And that is, you can't be mastered by sin. You can't be mastered by demonic forces. You can't be master by your own fleshly nature, you need to be the master and submit to the mastery of the Lord. And that's the same thing that we've got to have in mind when we are dealing with these things as we can't allow ourselves to be subject to them. Sure. Yeah. And I guess when he's doing a fast, that is really kind of where the rubber meets the road. Everybody is so drawn to eat. I mean, it's a physical necessity, but it's also a great desire for us to eat. So the fasting for him was a discipline to control his appetites and his desires, right?
Starting point is 00:23:55 Yeah, definitely. Yeah. Well, that's interesting. You know, over and over again, we see this even when we talk about cars, of Eric Peters, I have on frequently talk about what is happening to cars and how they're becoming interconnected and we're losing control of them and so forth. And always, you know, the goal of everybody's desires, if I could just get back to a completely analog car and have a manual transmission and that type of thing, that's the
Starting point is 00:24:19 analogy for our entire life, isn't it? Yeah, I think that's right. In fact, I just bought an F-150 from 1996. Got a stick-shift. Well, I have that in my Jeep. There you go. But yeah, I think that's right. I mean, we're going to have to be able to live with artificial intelligence. It's not going away, but we've got to be able to be the master of it. So I had an interesting conversation. conversation with Peter Thiel of all people. All people. So, Teal, his Antichrist lectures, I was invited to one of those lectures, and I was asked to give a response to one of the lectures. And so we had a time on the floor, you know, and there were about
Starting point is 00:25:03 100 people there. And we were interacting a little bit. And what we got into was, you know, he's one of the people behind Palantir and Andrew L and stuff. So I said, I noticed that you're like a Tolkien fan. So yeah, I am. And then he made a case for using tech in the way that Aragorn used, say, the Palantir and the sword to kind of do a sigh up on Sauron, you know, in the story. So I thought, yeah, it's pretty good. Have you ever had one of these experiences where you, like, wish you had said something after the conversation ends? Oh, many times, yeah. I guess I call it Deja Fool, you know.
Starting point is 00:25:46 I go, oh, that's foolish. I didn't say anything about that. Yeah, yeah, that's a great one. I'll have to remember that one. But anyway, I thought to myself afterward, Peter, do you think you are Eragorn? Do you really think that you have that kind of self-mastery to be able to take this technology and use it purely for good ends? Maybe he's born and I think that's.
Starting point is 00:26:11 Yeah, that's right. I think it's something to aspire to. And I think that that's a good illustration. but, you know, in terms of we need to raise children who are Aragorns, because that's the world they're going to live in. They're going to be surrounded by this stuff. And unless they go full Amish, they're going to have to use it every once in a while, maybe a lot.
Starting point is 00:26:36 And they've got to learn how to master themselves and master the tech. That's a huge ask for a kid because the people behind it, the tech itself is so protean and it's changing all the time and developing and growing stronger by the day. Yes, it is. So, I've used some of it for some graphic stuff and it truly is amazing how rapidly it is evolving. Yeah. It is right. So I think that, you know, we have to, we, that's, but that's the challenge. We're going to have to rise to the occasion. Well, let me ask you, because I've talked about Pallendeer for a long time. My first take on it was, these guys are Sauron. Because I actually made the analogy.
Starting point is 00:27:20 I said, so what was the Palantir? It was something that people had in order to communicate. And instead, it was turned against them. And it not only monitored them, but it looked inside of them in a predictive way. And that's what these people have been predicting for the longest time. It's been their goal. You go back to the 1970s. It's a big New Bruginski was talking about the technocratic age where we can predict what you're going to do and say and so forth in advance.
Starting point is 00:27:42 And I thought, well, that's the Palantir right there. and really was at the center of geospatial intelligence as well as the original AI, I guess, anticipatory intelligence, trying to anticipate where people are. But let me ask you about the Amish, because you brought that. That's what I always think about. What about the Amish approach,
Starting point is 00:28:01 just cutting it off completely? Yeah, I think that that has a lot to say for it. I'm not a, I don't disparage the Amish. I think that they've got a very, I think, careful and well-developed approach to thinking these, through these things. So they're not completely anti-tech. They just don't want the tech to alter their lives and their lifestyles.
Starting point is 00:28:22 And so they use it very scrupulously. And I think that we need to have the same kind of caution when we bring new technology into our lives. So in one sense, I'm a supporter of that approach. The question is just how far do we go with that? Since it's not going to go away, one of the things I do in my book, I imagine three futures. And I tell a little sort of open,
Starting point is 00:28:49 I provide a little opening to a story that I invite the reader to finish, you know, for themselves. But the first is the nightmare, which is a total cyber world, where we're all physically linked to AI. The next is what I call the Neo-Omish world with an AI twist. And what you have in that world is basically an apartheid.
Starting point is 00:29:12 But in order for the apartheid to work, you have to literally tie your brightest and best to keep an eye on AI. So they have to learn this stuff and learn how to watch it and keep it at bay. Because if we take the AI visionary seriously, there quite probably will be a time in the future where we literally can't turn it off. Oh, yeah. It just won't let it. Like I always say about government,
Starting point is 00:29:37 you may not be interested in politics, but politics isn't interested in you. And so artificial intelligence is so heavily linked into politics in the government that even if you don't use it, it's going to be coming after you. I mean, we already see the flock cameras, and now they're talking about having autonomous drones that are airborne and moving to get that same information on you. They're going to characterize you whether or not you have a phone that they can tap into and say, oh, that's David that's moving and there's where he is and I think he's going to be going over there.
Starting point is 00:30:05 You don't even have to have that. I mean, if you're just walking around and, you know, with 1980s tech, they would still identify you and start to track you. Yeah, I think that's right. So that's one possibility. And then the last possibility is what I call Apple Pie and Rocket Ships, which is trying to find a way to use the tech in positive ways and mitigate the negative uses.
Starting point is 00:30:33 But in that world that I envision, there's still going to be cyberheads. They're going to be people who go all in, and they're going to be, you know, our neighbors. And we're going to have to figure out how to relate to this. them and just, you know, what what this is going to mean for us. So let's say we've got robots in our homes and so forth. Do we let them make our kids beds or do we make our kids make their own beds, you know, stuff like that? You know, just that kind of practical down-to-earth day-to-day routine stuff. And that's going to be the challenge. We could find ourselves
Starting point is 00:31:09 just completely, I guess, infantilized, you know, by just letting, you know, the machines do everything for us. And isn't that really always kind of a common thread with government? It's always looking for a way to make you dependent on them like a suckling baby or something. That's always the way that I viewed the welfare state. And there's a lot of evidence to support the idea. That's exactly what the welfare state did to people. And their aspect of it is that they, They've got plans that are bad enough that just like Hugo de Garas said with the Ardike War, he said,
Starting point is 00:31:45 when people figure out what they're doing, they're going to come after these guys. And already this week, we've had a lot of articles talking about how the intelligency of the Silicon Valley are starting to get paranoid about somebody coming after them and attacking them. And it hasn't really even, the negative consequences haven't even really been felt yet. But they will be. And so in his book, he posits a basically a, basically a, war between the, the artelike people, the artificial intelligence people and the rest of humanity, where they leverage that technology against us. And it looks like that is already starting to develop. Yeah, but Larry and Jihad stuff, if you're familiar with the Dune kind of backstory, you know,
Starting point is 00:32:27 basically a war with artificial intelligence. Yeah, I think that's, unfortunately, I think that that's plausible. When I was at this event that Peter Thiel spoke at, the security was pretty significant. navigate and they had done background checks and all of us. In fact, when I got up to speak with Teal, he knew who I was because he had been briefed on me. So he knew the things I had written and what to expect in terms of what I was going to say. He was prepped. But because he's surrounded by a lot of people who, you know, get paid well to make sure that he doesn't get killed. Wow. Yeah. And already you've got people who are throwing acid-filled balloons at data centers and so forth. And again, it hasn't even really kicked off.
Starting point is 00:33:10 Yeah, that's amazing. Now, we were talking about Tolkien. You wrote a book about Tom Bombadil, one of the most ignomatic characters, I think, and The Lord of the Rings. Tell us a little bit about that. That's another one of your books. Yeah, well, that's probably my favorite book.
Starting point is 00:33:26 And in fact, that was the book that Teal and I spent part of our time talking about it. I guess he had been briefed on me on that book. But, yeah, I love Tom Bombadale. I think that Tom is Tolkien's attempt to show us what genuine biblical dominion looks like in a world where, you know, we exercise our authority in a way that is truly beneficial to the creatures and the people that are entrusted to us. So if you think about, you know, the story, you know, there is a complaint that, you know, Bambledill doesn't save the day and just go to the mountain with the ring himself and do the deed for everybody. but that would mean that Frodo didn't have anything to do,
Starting point is 00:34:10 and that would be a pretty short book. How it should have ended. Yeah, I've seen how it should have ended did their alternative version. And at the very beginning of it, the Eagles just pick them up and fly them over to Mountain Doom, and it's not. Right, right. But I think what we have with Tom is the image of the happy ending,
Starting point is 00:34:27 and there are different ways in which that is hinted at in the story. So, for example, when Frodo and Sam and Marion Pippen are in Tom's house, Frodo has a dream, and it's a dream about the very ending of the book. And then when you get to the very ending of the Lord of the Rings and the return of the king, the trip into the uttermost west when Frodo was on that boat, that ship, the elven ship going into the west, it's a replay of the dream he had. So he had seen the end, you know, at the very beginning. So it's the happy ending.
Starting point is 00:35:01 You know, a lot of people, when you talk to them about heaven, if they don't have a biblical understanding of glory of God, and the wonders of being in his presence. They'll say, well, what are we going to do in heaven? We're going to be so bored just laying around on clouds, playing harps and stuff like that. I think that what you see with Bammdil is a picture of the end. I mean, here's the guy who's in the story says, I'm the oldest. And he's just excited to get up every morning.
Starting point is 00:35:28 He's singing. He's happy. He's just delighting in the creation that he finds myself in. And at the very end of the Lord of the Rings, when they're about to go back into the shire, you know, to deal with Saruman and all the stuff that he's done to the shark, they say to Gandalf, the hobbits say to Gandalf, well, you're going to be with us. We don't need to worry about. He's and Gandalf says, no, no, I'm not going with you.
Starting point is 00:35:47 This is, you're right. You can handle him yourselves. I'm going to go have a long talk with Bombadol. In other words, Gantel's going into retirement, and he needs to have a talk with Bombadil about how to relax. That's great. That gives you a little picture of what I'm into in the book. Yes, the book is called House. of Tom Bombadale. That sounds like a fascinating read. And again, we've been talking about his other book,
Starting point is 00:36:11 Manmade, St. Anthony's Guide to Surviving the AI Apocalypse. And truly it is. I mean, it combines the worst aspects of technology and the worst aspects of government. They both have their uses, but they can be dreadful masters, can't they? Yeah, that's right. I agree with you. I'm very concerned about the same things you are. Yes. Well, I just want to say we took a break and we're coming back because Pastor Wiley was kind enough to come back. I had, we talked about this yesterday when he said, you ever had a situation when we're talking to somebody and you say, well, I forgot to say that to them? And I said, yeah, I have that all the time. I call it Deja Fool. Well, I had a Deja fool moment yesterday because we got sidetracked on the issue of talking about Tolkien and Peter
Starting point is 00:36:58 Teal's connection to that. But I thought about after the interview ended, I thought, you know, we never did talk really about what happened at the anti-christ. lecture series. And this is something that Peter Thiel has worked a great deal to keep a lid on it. And so thank you for coming back to talk about this, Pastor Wiley. I'm kind of wondering, how much are you allowed to talk about? I mean, he did invite you to come in and critique it, but what can you tell us about the series? Well, it's probably the worst kept secret in the world. It seems like if you want to learn about it, you can go just about anywhere. It's been kind of addressed in different publications.
Starting point is 00:37:36 I remember correctly Wired, did something with it, and then the Guardian. And both those places are not friendly to him. So in terms of what I promised, I promised to keep kind of a lid on things, but then I thought, well, the interaction I have with him is as much mine as it is his. So I feel like I'm at liberty to talk about that part of that. the, you know, the conversation, but, or part of the event. But really, you know, it's just kind of at this point, it's so, it's so widely talked about. There's nothing really that was said at the event that you can't discover somewhere online. So I feel like at this point, I'm able to talk about it
Starting point is 00:38:24 just because it's so readily kind of available to, to learn about. So. Yeah, in terms of the event itself and Teal, I mean, he's a really remarkably smart guy. I mean, everybody knows that. But where that really came across is during the Q&A time. So we had a number of very high level, you know, public intellectuals in the room. And Roman Catholic, Protestant, you know, people that, you know, names that if I mention them, you would recognize the names. And he was able to field our questions on the fly, making reference to documents and events
Starting point is 00:39:10 and like the 13th century. And he's got that kind of breadth in terms of his learning and his ability to recall. And so I was very impressed with this intelligence. In terms of the event itself and what he was getting at, my sense is that Teal, equates progress with Christianity. And I think there's a case to make for that. So he... Well, of course, we've seen that with Richard Dawkins.
Starting point is 00:39:41 He really loves the fruit of Christ. He just doesn't like the root of it, right? So he loves the architecture, and he loves the Christmas carols and things like that that they have. And he's sad to see that go, but he completely rejects Christ and all of that. And I guess that's the question. When I look at it, it's like,
Starting point is 00:39:59 Why does Teal try to focus on something that is ultimately a Christian teaching about an Antichrist? And what is at the core of that? Is he really, he's a student of Tolkien? Is he a student of the Bible, except perhaps as a philosophical or historical document? Well, he claims to be a Christian, a Protestant one, kind of an unorthodox Lutheran is what I've been told he refers to himself as. But he explicitly referred to himself as a Protestant when he was. was talking at the event. So naturally, you know, if people are aware of his personal lifestyle, there are lots of
Starting point is 00:40:37 questions that emerge, you know, how do you reconcile all this with Christianity? But liberals have been working at that for a long time. That's right. That kind of attitude. It's taken over entire denominations. Right, right. Now, the thing about him, of course, is he's pro-free market and pro-tech. so he's not on board with the liberal project of trying to reducing Christianity to just, you know,
Starting point is 00:41:10 bromides and empty statements about love and stuff. But I think that he does take the Bible seriously. I think he is a very serious student of it, whether or not he allows it to address or, you know, the spirit to address, features of his own life is, I think, in question. I think, though, that when it comes to doctrine and so forth, he's remarkably well read. He was quoting Rush Duny of all people in the middle of the lecture. So he reads not just top-level theologians like Augustine and Luther, but he digs down to third-level people like Rushduni. And he's knowledgeable when it comes to the different schools of interpretation when it comes to ascotology.
Starting point is 00:42:00 It was very, I think, comfortable talking about premillennialism and post-millennialism and omelanism as we were conversing. But his take on the Antichrist, I think that, again, it ties into his thinking on progress, particularly material progress, meaning technological progress. So he credits Christianity with the technological revolution that we have witnessed in the West. And he thinks that anything that inhibits that is Antichrist. I think that's how he understands it. Yeah, because he comes up with this idea, sorry to interrupt, but he's had this idea that, you know, to him, I guess, it's not so much
Starting point is 00:42:43 anti-Christ as a person, but as a system. And many of us look at artificial intelligence, and we see it as a tool that ushers in a world government. And, massive control the individual. And yet he sees it from the other perspective as somebody who's creating this system. He said, if you're going to try to control this, you're going to have to create a very, very powerful world government, perhaps with my tool. You know, he looks at it from that standpoint. And so that's how you get the antichristes by creating massive regulation to control everything,
Starting point is 00:43:17 including artificial intelligence. Is that accurate? Is that kind of where he's coming from when he says that the control of technology, would be an Antichrist system. That's what I've seemed to have gotten out of what some other people have written about. What do you think? No, yeah, I think that's correct. I think that's what he's saying.
Starting point is 00:43:35 Now, to give him, you know, kind of credit that he's due with regard to his argument, his case is that private industry, this is my take out or my interpretation of his presentation, private industry, so long as it's allowed to do the kind of disrupt, kind of thing that that private industry can do, it will always be two or three steps ahead of a government. And it's only when the government puts the kibosh on progress that it's able to step and take full control of the tech. But until that time, private tech, you know, private industry and the development of technology is a limiting factor. It's a, it's a restraint on government or kind of a what was the term he used i can't remember he actually was quoting i'm just
Starting point is 00:44:28 drawing a blank on the passage but there is a reference uh in one of paul's letters to uh some uh force that restrains the antichrist i'm just drawing a blank on the term but he he thinks that private industry can function in that way uh so yes i mean palatier will uh contract with the government but the government doesn't have full control of palatir. You know, that's the kind of thing. Some of us is a problem, a possible problem as well. But, you know, you have some checks and balances, which I guess comes back to Rush Duny. What did he say about Rush Duny in context?
Starting point is 00:45:06 Because Rush Duny is someone who has been a favorite, a lot of people who we call themselves Christian nationalists. Yeah, I think his take on Rush Duny is that Rustuni's work on education is really good. So he praised Bristoni in the course of the lecture. And it was just an offhand of remark. It wasn't as though he didn't have the sense that he was trying to build an argument around it. But I think what he was getting at was that so long as we have private education, meaning homeschooling or classical schools or private schools of different types, we'll be able to really educate people. It's the government stuff that, you know, government-controlled schools that have the problem.
Starting point is 00:45:47 And so he was, he was favorable. He did not buy into Rush Dune's theonomy. And he mentioned that. What about Curtis Jarvin? Did he talk about Curtis Sharvin? Yeah, yeah, very contemptuously. Really? Good.
Starting point is 00:46:08 I hold him in contempt as well. But I think, you know, there were a number of other intellectuals that he would refer to just an offhanded way. In fact, he was pretty harsh with, like, Aquinas. He called Aquinas the Antichrist. And I think he's got a very low opinion of Pope Leo, not because Pope Leo is Catholic, but because Pope Leo wants to reflect on the nature of artificial intelligence,
Starting point is 00:46:39 and he's worried about it. So anybody who's a little bit worried about artificial intelligence, I think, you know, And this is not to say, Teal, it didn't come across as though he was reckless or naive about the downsides. I just think that he believes that the cure can be worse than the disease. And so we need to be able to deal with the disease and do it in a mature and a helpful way rather than empower the government to enslave us because we're afraid of it. I think that's his big argument.
Starting point is 00:47:15 I understand. Yeah. So many times people look for safety from the government and that the government can be its own predator in that regard. What was his beef with Aquinas? Do you remember? Well, again, the idea, basically natural law, I think he's very antagonistic to natural law. Basically, the idea being that there's a created order that we have to acknowledge and it limits us. So he's, I came across that he was a transhumanist, for example.
Starting point is 00:47:41 So he believes in, you know, when people would challenge him on the transhumanist stuff, And by the way, in the course of his conversation with me, he explicitly said he rejected C.S. Lewis's critique in the abolition of man and in the Ransom trilogy, especially that hideous strength. So, which we all smiled when we heard him say that because we thought, you're Weston. That's why. But he, you know, when people would challenge him on transhumanism, he had an evaded the subject. He didn't really own up. to it. He would say, oh, well, it doesn't work anyway. Well, what are you saying when you say that, Peter? Are you saying that if it did work, I'd be against it? Or are you saying if it did work, I'd be for it? And I had the sense he before it. And this was just an evasive technique or sort of tactic to get around the dealing with the real question. And that is just, you know,
Starting point is 00:48:39 can we merge with the machine? Are we infinitely, are we just machines made of meat, as Marvin Mismisky said, or is there something fundamentally different about the human, about human beings that were not reducible to machines? Yeah, it'd be interesting to see his take on the Garden of Eden, for example. As soon as I saw with these transhumanists were pushing out there, it's like, that is just a recycling of that. It doesn't even change much about what happened in the Garden of Eden and the fall of man. Right.
Starting point is 00:49:10 Yeah, I think a lot of the folks who are naively present. pro-tech, really, the challenge for them is how do they mount a defense when it comes to transhumanism? I think there are a lot of marvelous Christians out there that I would, I would, I kind of feel are naive when it comes to technology because they, they don't think about the kind of dystopian possibilities, and they're, they're just unwilling to take them seriously. but, you know, what are they going to say to their kids when their kids tell them that they want to have a neural ink implant or something like that? Yeah, I think our big underestimation that we have, of course, not so much that the Christians underestimate the evil nature of man and what man is capable of doing from a moral standpoint.
Starting point is 00:50:06 But I think Christians may be aware of that, but they're not aware of really what can be done with technology. And I think that's where the naivete comes in, in my opinion, from what I've said. It's like, you know, you can't imagine what somebody is going to do. In many cases, you look at somebody like Ted Bundy, and it's so far away from your mindset, you can't imagine anybody would do something like that. And that's how they can get us on the one side. But the same thing is happening with technology. You know, they can't imagine that something like this could actually be real.
Starting point is 00:50:35 Yeah, I'm with you. I think that's the right take. And when it comes to those folks, I love them. but at the same time I'm kind of exasperated by them because when I talk to them, I'll say, you know, I'm not making this stuff up, I'm just quoting people. I'm not like quoting people that are way out on the fringes.
Starting point is 00:50:52 I'm talking about people that are like, you know, the inventors of the technology and work with it every day. You know, Demasazibis or Mustafa Suleiman or, you know, Jeffrey Hinton. And the list just goes on and on of the people who tell us, you know, this is what we're up to
Starting point is 00:51:08 and get ready. Well, you know, I see that in politics a lot. We have a lot of times you'll see some crazy scheme of government that is Orwellian that they want to roll out on people. And a lot of times people say, ah, that's just, that's the sci-fi plot. We've seen that movie before, right? And so they kind of dismiss it in a way there's kind of a predictive programming that puts a narrative out there. And a lot of times people look at this and think that you're just imagining what you've already seen as a movie because they saw that movie as well. I think there certainly is, I would eat, that's where I would think that a supernatural element comes in play there to kind of put out the plot and put that to get people accustomed to it, right?
Starting point is 00:51:46 To move the overturn window to that, but also to move it to what I would call, I guess, a kind of fantasy window. So that if you talk about somebody actually trying to do that and what we're seeing out of Hollywood is they are just basically repeating every kind of dystopian sci-fi scenario that we've seen acted out in. books and movies. They're trying to literally enact those things. We're just talking about the Tolkien companies, Andrew. They just came out with some tilt rotor autonomous weapon drones that look like they're straight out of the Terminator. And so they're just trying to recreate what they've already seen in fiction. So it's difficult for a lot of people to believe that that isn't just a movie fantasy that we're channeling out there. Yeah, I think that's right. And when I mentioned the names of the people that I'm being essentially briefed by on all of this stuff.
Starting point is 00:52:42 And we all are, I mean, they're readily available. These interviews are readily available on YouTube. And I mentioned the names of these people. Even tech, people who work in technology don't even know the names of these people. These are people like, you know, I've already mentioned a few times, Jeffrey Hinton. He won the Nobel Prize for creating the technology. And I'll ask people, have you ever heard of Jeffrey Hinton? They'll say, no.
Starting point is 00:53:08 I was like, what do you do for a living? I'm an IT. I was like, I work with AI. I mean, do you have any idea who this guy is? And what he's saying, and just look him up. Just look him up on YouTube. There's hundreds of places you can find them. Well, again, going back to some of the philosophical and historical stuff,
Starting point is 00:53:29 they said that he's so passionate about. And I guess that's the other issue as well. Well, we've had so many people who have railed, like I have, against government regulation and overregulation and the safety net that you get tangled up in all the time. I understand that, and a lot of people have pushed back against that. But he's doing it in a passionate way, tying it into an Antichrist system. I guess that's what's so different and so puzzling about it, especially when we look at his private life. This is really kind of strange. When you look at the fact that, as I mentioned before, many of us think,
Starting point is 00:54:03 that if there's going to be some kind of an antichrist system, some kind of a beast system that's going to measure and control every activity that we do, that is the perfect tool. What he is creating. That, I guess, is a strange contradiction at the heart of it. Yeah, yeah. Well, to give him a little bit of credit, he didn't, you know, start the whole thing. You know, he's part of the funding of a lot of the stuff, of course.
Starting point is 00:54:29 but there's been a long lead-up to what we were experiencing, and he's just one part of the larger story. Sure. But he's certainly a guy who, because of his investing and because of his interests, is working hard to realize some of this potential of this technology. Now, you know, as a realist, I have... enough of a commitment to the to the sovereignty of my country, you know, to want it to be able to defend itself from foreign actors who use this technology against us. And that's, that's,
Starting point is 00:55:15 you know, what we see going on in China right now. They're just like a here's breath behind us and the development of a lot of this stuff. So we're going to have to employ the technology against the technology, I think. It's sort of like, you know, with New York. weapons. You know, once you have them, you have them. I think... And of course, I think that also applies on an individual basis, you know, when we look at this. And when we've seen people like Sam Altman go before Congress, he says, well, only a few of us should have control this technology. We can't just let everybody have this, right? And I think that is a key thing that you have to be able to, to some degree, defend yourself by using some of this technology in the sense that
Starting point is 00:55:55 some of the people came up with encryption, you know, early days at PGP and some other things. I think the guy's name was Zimmerman, if I remember correctly. But they were specifically using their technology to shield from this surveillance technology that the government had. And I think there'll be an application for that as well with artificial intelligence. Yeah, I think that's right. And I have a number, I think I mentioned last time we spoke, that I have friends who were in Silicon Valley and working in this area.
Starting point is 00:56:25 And they're disturbed by what some of their colleagues think about the tech and what they want to do with it. At the same time, we really need good people, good solid people helping us to develop applications of the technology. Because it is a general purpose technology. It can be used for all sorts of things to protect us from the malicious use of the tech. And also to provide us with maybe ways to care for ourselves and our families that wouldn't, necessarily come to mind for, say, secular humanists. You know, so, again, I've got a very mixed set of feelings about all of this. I wish we didn't have to deal with this.
Starting point is 00:57:09 It's sort of like getting back to Tolkien. I wish the ring hadn't come to me. And the thing is, you do hold the ring because you do hold the solution to all of this. You know, as Christians, as pastors or whatever, we have to be the ones who are going to carry that ring and who are going to try to, the real issue is the human behind the technology. I mean, it's just a tool, right? And so you can use a hammer to build a home or you can use it to kill somebody. And so the question is, how do we use these tools? That comes down to the person behind it. And I thought it was kind of interesting. When I go back and I look at some of things
Starting point is 00:57:47 that Peter Thiel was talking about, he's very fixated on, say, Renee Gerard, for example. And I've seen a lot of Christian pastors who talk about that. Maybe you've got some insight into it. I don't really know anything about Renee Gerard. I don't really get into philosophy that much. But what I did see of it is, and it was a key insight that he had about human nature, I guess. You can get that insight from the Bible as well. He said that we want things because we see somebody else with them, right? It's like, yeah, have you ever had a one-year-old or a two-year-old? You know, that's true, right? That's innate. That's built in. And, of course, it's also the thing that is, built Madison Avenue in the whole advertising industry is, you know, the tell TV industry and
Starting point is 00:58:29 the ad industry is built on creating covetousness, right? And so God has addressed that throughout the Bible from the earliest days. And of course, you know, it's addressed a lot in the teachings of Christ and the fact that contentment with Christ is great gain and content with his provision and what he has for us in this life. And I think that's one of the things that's going to keep us out of this kind of arms race type of mentality that, you know, we look to Christ for our protection provision. Yeah, I think that's right. And Gerard was actually, again, a Christian, but in an odd and unorthodox way, but he actually used the Christian faith as a way to speak about this and noted that, you know, Christ's substitutionary atonement basically
Starting point is 00:59:20 provided a kind of a way of escape from the worst features of this mimesis, this mimicry that we, you know, are subject to that you noted as part of, you know,
Starting point is 00:59:36 our fallen human nature. But it all, you know, basically, it's based on the fact that we are image bearers, you know, we, we have to look somewhere to find something to reflect. Mm-hmm. You know, so we should be
Starting point is 00:59:48 looking to God, of course, because that's who we were made to reflect. But when we, you know, don't do that, and this is going to happen even with Christians. When they start looking around at other things, they'll get into some very bad places because they're looking to things that they shouldn't look to to find a meaning in life
Starting point is 01:00:07 and all this kind of stuff. So, but anyway, Gerard is a very fascinating guy. I've read, yes, I've read a number of his books, and Teal is very much a disciple of Gerard, that's for sure. I think he knew him personally. That's interesting. Yeah, you know, it's kind of when we look at it, the real essence that is there, it's not really focusing to me on Antichrist. It's really focusing on Christ. And I see that so many times in a lot of different denominations. It'll focus on revelations and they'll focus on eschatology and things like that. It's like, well, why don't we focus on Christ instead of on the Antichrist? And really, what does that mean? You know, when we go back and we look at it, John was talking about the spirit of Antichrist's already. in the world. And what is the spirit of any Christ? It denies Christ. It denies his incarnation. It denies him as the Messiah. Denies him as coming from God. And of course, that abounds everywhere. That really is the
Starting point is 01:01:02 starting place, which we look at this. And I think the key thing is Christ said, whoever is not with us is against me. Whoever is not with me is against me. And whoever is not gathering together, is scattering. And so the gathering together is gathering people together toward Christ rather than scattering them abroad on looking at all these other things that are out there, all these shiny objects that we chase all the time, I guess. Yeah, I'm with you. I agree.
Starting point is 01:01:32 Well, it is fascinating to look at this, and it is a bit of an enigma as we look at Peter Thiel. It's why I wanted to get you back on. I really appreciate you coming back on talking about that. It is strange to try to figure out who he's coming from. Now, Lance mentioned he said the problem with Teal is that he wants exceptions for his company, but he doesn't want to end regulations for everybody else. I have said that over and over again.
Starting point is 01:01:54 I said, liberty is one of the things that you can't have unless you're willing to give it to other people, right? So a lot of times people want freedom in the area of their concern, but they're willing to crack down people in other areas. And certainly he is producing and funding some of these tools that will be used for that kind of crackdown, I think. So it is interesting. it is the debate of our lifetime that we've got right here. I think it's a seminal moment. And I think your book is very important as a guide to surviving this AI apocalypse. I guess that book was not out there when you spoke.
Starting point is 01:02:29 But that certainly is what we're looking at here as an AI apocalypse. And the true meaning of where this is going is truly hidden at this point, isn't it? Yeah, I think that's right. Yeah, well, we'll find out. Yeah, that's right. It's going to be our lived experience. Thank you so much for joining us. And again, the book is Manmade, and it's by C.R. Wiley. And the subtitle is a St. Anthony's Guide to Surviving the AI Apocalypse. And it just came out. By the way, it just came out a few days ago, didn't it? Yep. Yep. Well, thanks for having me on, David. I really appreciate it.
Starting point is 01:03:03 Thank you. Appreciate it. And you can find that folks at Cannon Press. And you see that underneath his name there. Thank you so much. Appreciate it. Thanks for having me again. Thank you. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. Making sense common again. You're listening to the David Knight Show.
Starting point is 01:05:02 Joining us now is Dr. Darrell Wolf, and he has been doing detox for a very long time. And, of course, a lot of people are talking about this now. I want to ask him some questions about his take on some of the things that have kind of come to light in recent years. Of course, going back a few years ago, not too many people were talking about. gut health. Now everybody's talking about that. We got a lot of people talking about Ivermectin and other issues like that. He's also got some seminars that are coming up. He's got another one that's coming up in September, Whole Life Health Certified and Stewart, Florida. So we're going to talk to him a little bit about that and what those are like. And it's just another way for us to look at
Starting point is 01:05:40 different means to address chronic health conditions. So thank you so much for joining us, doctor. Oh, no. It's an honor and pleasure to be on your show, sir. Well, thank you. Thank you. And of course, I didn't mention that the website is docofdetox.com. So you can go there and you can find some more information. Tell us a little bit about your perspective on detoxification and what you've been doing in terms of the programs that you've been teaching. As you point out, you've had your health certified program for many decades that you've been doing this now. Tell us a little bit about that.
Starting point is 01:06:16 Okay, well, first of all, it's not the fault of anyone. but they look at detoxification in a wrong sense. People look at detoxification that I feel like crap and it's time to detox. My organs in trouble, it's time to detox. I don't have enough energy. I'm getting headaches. Okay, I've got low back pain. I've got knee pain.
Starting point is 01:06:39 Okay, I've got swelling. I've got inflammation. Understand this. I am called the doctor of detox, but the reality is if you had a perfect day on an emotional and physical level, then you wouldn't even know what pain is, because pain is only a GPS showing you that your body is out of alignment. And the medical system,
Starting point is 01:06:59 and even the natural health system, has made pain to be the enemy. It's not the enemy. It's a message from the body that you don't know how to actually operate the human body. 50 trillion cells, 500 trillion bacteria. I start screaming bloody murder. and just know this, the majority of the population is leaving right now,
Starting point is 01:07:24 unless there's a drastic change. You know, right now we've got only 1% of the food is actually edible in America. And we've got, depending on the state you go into, we've got 80%, 86% to 92% of the people are grossly overweight. And they don't even know what that is. And what I just told you is that being overweight, grossly overweight, overweight or obese is actually normal in America now. America is now the sickest country in the world. And the reality is everybody looks for a quick fix band-aid. And, you know, the last few years it was
Starting point is 01:08:05 stem cells. Now it's peptides. And everybody jumps all over the place. And, you know, I've been at this now. I'll be 70 next week. And, you know, I've been at this since I was 23 years old. And the reality is this is that a lot has changed. You know, and when we say about detox, unless you are totally awake, you'll never keep up with it because America now has 2,200 chemicals that are illegal everywhere else in the world, but they're illegal here. And the reality is, is this, there's no real pushback. Corporations actually run America.
Starting point is 01:08:44 And I'm not trying to put it down. I'm trying to tell everyone they need to wake up. I agree with you. I say the FDA is what it stands for if you give them money, it stands for you're free to do anything. If you don't give them money, you're forbidden to do anything, right? Well, everything illegal has become legal. And the entity that runs this planet has granted them all. As we know, everybody's angry about a lot of things going on.
Starting point is 01:09:08 And the reality is, nobody, nobody's going to get taken to task. So everybody will just stay angry and make themselves sicker. and make really bad choices. The reality is if we were to mind our own business and actually learn how to create a perfect day from the moment we rise until we close our eyes, we'd have it all. And I'll tell your audience right now,
Starting point is 01:09:31 if they went to DoD SelfCure.com and they watched America's rotting out, it is a two and a half hour masterclass. It's free. And they go to watch heart attack, stroke, cancer, they lie, we die. I will prove that there is no cancer. cancer. I will prove that somebody with 350 cholesterol, which is, will live longer than anybody
Starting point is 01:09:56 else on the planet. Okay. Well, I'll also prove that plaque does not cause heart attack or strokes. And there's no science behind anything. The majority of population is being harvested, and it will continue. I mean, the majority has always been wrong. And the majority are always listening to the news and they get their health information from the same corporations that are poisoning everyone. So what we try to do is we don't want to take a look at all the things that are wrong or else we'll never get over it, okay? And it'll just make us sick.
Starting point is 01:10:29 But we need to tell people what it is that makes them well. And if you can make these choices, and that's what I show in DoDselfcure.com. And the reality is, how about this, my friend? Are you tired of hearing about parasites? Look at 99% of the population in United States has parasites. Fend, Benazol, Ivermectin, and parasite cleanses, they're all the rage and understand something. If you actually had a perfect day on an emotional and physical level
Starting point is 01:11:01 and you understood the large intestine, and you understood your liver and your kidneys, and you understand what a nutritional diet really was, you'll never have parasites, you'll never have bad bacteria, to the point of disease, you'll never have fungus. I don't have my patients doing any fungal cleanses, any bacterial cleanses, any parasite cleanses, they don't need them. You know what?
Starting point is 01:11:27 Everything is vibrational. Did you know that, where do you think that 99% of all the parasites come from that people have in their body? 99% of all parasites. Where do they come from? I have no idea. Your body grows them. You only get a parasite in your body because you've created your own manure pile and you're rotting or you've got tissue that's decomposing and the worms are actually created in the body as a defense to go and eat the decomposing tissue. And if you've got a manure pile, which is your large intestine for most people, that's why, you know, people
Starting point is 01:12:05 look like they're, they've beaten a beach ball, or their guts are falling out, or how you'll know somebody has a bowel problem, too, is they can't gain weight, and they're underweight. So you can be overweight or underweight, depending on the situation and the type of condition that the large intestine is in. And then what people don't get, my friend, is this is called a mind, not a brain. This doesn't do any thinking. This just plays programs, dumps chemicals and dumps hormones. what does the most thinking in the human body, people don't even get it. It was the first thing that you were physically, and that was a little tube in your mother's womb, and it was the large intestine.
Starting point is 01:12:44 The large intestine houses your good bacteria, and it houses about 500 trillion, 500 trillion bacteria, and those bacteria talk nine times to the body, and where the mind only talks one time back. It gets its main information and communication from your bacteria. And we know that the medical system has been allowed to use antibiotics for everything from a stubbed toe to a bladder infection, to an eye infection, to an ear infection, to a tooth infection. And we know that antibiotics are a form of chemo and they will totally destroy. They don't kill bad bacteria.
Starting point is 01:13:27 They kill all bacteria in your large intestine. That's why people only get... second that. Yeah, that's absolutely true. And we've had our own instance of that in my family. I've had several family members. My mother had her help just destroyed by an antibiotic, and my son nearly did as well. They gave him a floxin, which rhymes with toxin. And that was a horrific situation. So I guess when you look at this, you're talking about detox. Are you talking, you're not necessarily talking about parasites, but are you talking about what about harmful chemicals that are induced through pharmaceuticals?
Starting point is 01:14:00 or something like that. Is there a process with that that you work with people to get that out of their system? Or is it more towards a positive aspect of trying to build up your body positively? Well, you want to do it both. Remember something. Every image creates a thought and every thought creates an image. So if an image creates a thought, it's a thought negative or is a positive. So if the thought is positive, it will create a positive emotion. Positive emotion will create a positive frequency. A positive frequency will then cause the brain, which is a chemist, okay, and a computer. That's all it is. And it will dump dopamine, oxytocin, serotonin, endorphins, which is your happy and healthy hormones. If you started off with a negative image,
Starting point is 01:14:54 you'd have a negative thought. If you had a negative thought, you'd have a negative emotion. If you had a negative emotion, you'll have a negative frequency. If you had a negative frequency, you'll actually dump negative chemicals such as histamine adrenaline and cortisol. Okay? And that is very highly acidic. And since COVID, well, let's put it this way.
Starting point is 01:15:16 We used to have a drama, trauma situation in our bodies that would really hurt us and acidify us with cortisol, histamine, adrenaline, only three times a month back 75 years ago. So it's been graduating because they use the news and they use the government, they use the medical system. They use all systems to keep us in trauma drama. So we're always dumping adrenaline, cortisol, and histamine so that destroys our body. We are the harvest. So the reality is, is this, 17 times a person would go into a trauma.
Starting point is 01:15:52 per day before COVID. So they were already really successful at creating the dumping of these chemicals in us. And after COVID, now it's 110 to 120 times because your body never ever came out of the trauma drama for most people from COVID. And then we've got all the other BS that they're doing to actually level the playing field and cause their greater reset. So now we've got people never. ever stopping. They're always dripping a little bit of adrenaline or cortisol into their body,
Starting point is 01:16:27 which is the acid, the wrong acid, and it's eating away. So inflammation is a fire. It eats up oxygen and it eats up electrical conductivity. Whether you believe this or not, there is no cancer. There's just suffocation of the cells. So I put out a $10,000 challenge to prove that cancer mutates and prove that viruses are alive and nobody comes to claim it because it's not true. Viruses aren't alive. You can't catch a virus. But meanwhile, we'll be going back into hell again because the majority of the population rules, but they're not rulers.
Starting point is 01:17:05 The majority of the population just get ruled. So what we got here is we've got people have never been overloaded with so much graphic, nanobots, glyphosate, chemicals in their life. 1% of the food in a grocery store is edible in the United States. So that's why I moved. I now live in Zawatanjo, Mexico, and I'm eating food that existed 80 years ago.
Starting point is 01:17:35 I have no chemtrails in the skies. I have no 5G around me. So that is, you know, environment is everything. So what can you do for the environment in your home? And what can you, I mean, almost every family, is a drug addict. And there's more drugs in a supermarket than in a drugstore now and put in all the foods legally.
Starting point is 01:17:56 So everybody, I don't want to make it seem like it's bad, but it's not good. And the reality is if you want to take a look at how to get well, then you've got to look at and what's going into you. So understand, if you don't mind, sir. No, that's fine. I'm just getting a massive cortisol dump as I listen to the, as we talk about the food supply here, I just saw a picture, an article of a teen who there was an accident and they were working with glyphosate and they spilled it on him, spilled it on the shoulder. And he got this massive tumor that rose up on his neck and it's still there.
Starting point is 01:18:38 And he can't get rid of it. It's absolutely amazing. You know, when you look at the physical result of that, but of course, they're putting it in the food and on the food all the time. And so we're all getting that type of thing. We just typically don't get it concentrated all at once. Well, I may not know this, but in Canada, there was 147 fires in a province called Ontario going on right now. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. And do you know what they did to all the forests just a year ago?
Starting point is 01:19:07 What do? Glyphosate. They sprayed them all with glyphosate. Sprayed them with glyphosate. And guess what? It is, it's flammable. It's like gasoline. So understand that.
Starting point is 01:19:19 And just think what it did to all the bugs. So you kill all the bugs. You kill, you know, and people may not really care about this, but bugs have lost 75% of their body weight. Wow. So anyways, let's get to this one, though. So that gentleman that you saw with the glyphosate, I don't know who he was, but I did a one a day on that.
Starting point is 01:19:40 And I said, look at that swelling, my protocol would bring that down and turn it around. And what everybody needs to understand is this. You're eating yourself to death. I want to just say this. Bill Gates bought all the farmland he could in the United States because guess what? Take a look at, sir, I did another one a day last week called the War on Humake. It's more valuable than water because water's recyclable and humick isn't.
Starting point is 01:20:09 And do you know why Bill Gates bought all the farmland? He stripped the humick out. now he's selling the farmland back and there's no humick. If you know about humick, it stands for human. And humick has 70 micro nutrients in it
Starting point is 01:20:25 that are for having a healthy, stable body. So it also, humic is the best binder of heavy metals, chemicals, parasites, okay, on the planet.
Starting point is 01:20:42 Okay, and it drops off 70 micronutrients and it is the and it will detoxify the body from everything bad and it locks it down and it can hold 400% of its weight and we have a product called black gold that goes from the mouth to the rectum which is a humake and And then we have another one called black diamond that goes into the brain the blood and goes into the cells and you never have to do another parasite cleanse again another heavy metal cleanse again another fungal cleanse again or you never have to reinstate your bacteria again because it does all of that, this one product. And some people will know it. They may not know this, but they know zeolite because that gets pumped. It can't even come close to this.
Starting point is 01:21:25 Bentonite can't come close to it. Charcoal, Shilaget, all of these products are low vibrational compared to real humic. And then we're the only company in the world that doesn't use chemicals to process it. So understand, wouldn't you like, to have a program that you utilize every day, that you don't have pain, you don't have symptoms, you don't have diseases? And understand, I said that they were love messages from your body. That's
Starting point is 01:21:52 what a symptom is. And do you know what a disease is, sir? Mismanagement. Okay? When you talk about pain, you know, many people have heard the analogy that, well, would all like to have no pain, but if you didn't have any pain, you wouldn't know if you cut yourself. You know, and you've had some people who had a defect in the nervous system, so they didn't feel that and it was a very dangerous situation for them. So as you pointed out, you know, pain is really the body's early warning system, isn't it? Yes, it is. And every drug that you take shuts off the body from notifying the brain of the pain, but the inflammation is still raging inside of you. And that's why people that take drugs will have a, we'll have to get a surgery because the inflammation is still
Starting point is 01:22:37 in there and you are meat. Your body's made a meat. And inflammation is a fight. And inflammation is a and it's like putting a burger on the barbecue and forgetting it, it becomes like beef jerky. So that's all people are doing is they're just getting organs. Well done. Joint's cut out because they went and fried them. And I'll tell you a little thing here. Did you know, okay, back, okay, 75 to 100 years ago,
Starting point is 01:23:09 that people, they would turn. a light brown by the time that they're, are you ready for this? By the time they were 40 to 60. Now here's the deal. Humans are no different than a turkey. If I put a turkey in the oven in a half an hour, it goes from a whitey pinky to a light brown, right? Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 01:23:34 Did you know that children are now a light brown by the time they're 10? Because they have so much inflammation in their body. we are being cooked from the inside out. You remember, every time that you put a poison in, every time that you don't eat properly, every time that you overeat, and every time that you don't have a bowel movement
Starting point is 01:23:55 and it gets stuck in you, you're rotting out. And the rotten infection is causing the inflammation. And now it's a bloody tsunami in human beings right now. They're always inflamed. So you're cooking your tissues. So by the time we're 10 now, we're medium brown, by the time that we're 30, we're actually a dark brown.
Starting point is 01:24:17 And by the time that we're 70, most people are gone black. They're burnt inside. I'm not making this up. You ask anybody that does autopsies, and they're going to tell you this, that we are being put to fire, okay? And we are being overcooked from the inside out.
Starting point is 01:24:39 So let's put it this. way. Like I said, you know, the older you get, the more live food you need. The more you cook, the worse you look, the more you fry, the sooner you die. Okay? And the more man touches your food, the more poisoned it is. Because you don't have to pay a human being very much to poison another human being. That's right, yeah. I remember Jack Lillane, when I was a kid, he was this health expert, right? And he had one of the earliest TV shows out there. And his whole thing was, I don't eat anything that is made by man. I only eat stuff that God made. So he ate a lot of fruit and bananas and things like that. So is your program then heavily focused then on foods and
Starting point is 01:25:25 nutrition as well as detox? Well, it is on nutrition, but not supplements. Supplements, remember something. Okay. As in the Bible says, go to the light. okay we are the light and when you take a look at a food you're going to ask how much light and how high is the frequency that's going to come into my body and what kind of nutrition is there
Starting point is 01:25:50 remember that there's no disease if you don't have a mineral deficiency minerals are first and foremost and the minerals were stripped out of the soil that was the humane did you get that okay all right so the reality is is we are electromagnetic
Starting point is 01:26:07 light energy beings. That's got nothing to do with fluffy spiritualism. That's what we are. We are pure light when we come into this world. We are pure light when we leave this world. And the reality is, when we're here, we need to eat foods that are going to bring in the light and bring in the electrical conductivity. Did you know that every cell has 0.04 volts? Did you know every cell has 0.04 volts when you're healthy? Did you know that when the voltage in your cells drops 15% so does the oxygen. When that happens, that's when pain comes in.
Starting point is 01:26:46 And then if it continues and it keeps dropping gradually, you get inflammation, you get swelling, you get stiffness like in your son's knees. Now, if the actual electroconductivity drops by 25% in those cells, the oxygen drives by 25%. Guess what? now you're making parasites because now you're getting
Starting point is 01:27:11 decomposing tissue and too much stagnation now if the electrical conductivity drops 35% now the oxygen does don't believe me the only guy that received the Nobel Prize was Dr. Otto Warbrook for the discovery of cancer and he said that the cause of cancer
Starting point is 01:27:32 was a drop of 35% that oxygen in the cells. That means 35% electrical conductivity too. And he said the cells are not mutating. They're suffocating. And they cannot live off that low of oxygen. And guess what?
Starting point is 01:27:50 Anybody that has that low of oxygen, it's because they've been on fire for so long. We talked about that inflammation, inflame. And that means that you're filling up with lactic acid and fermented sugar. And we're doing that today because of sugar and carbs and alcohol and all this other stuff. But just your body goes, oh my God, the cells are going, we don't have to die. We don't have to die. Look at all this lactic acid.
Starting point is 01:28:13 We can live off of that. So it changes its digestive tract. And now it's eating lactic acid and a cancer cell will eat it and it'll poop it out so that it makes sure it never, ever goes without sustenance again. And that's what they call cancer. Listen, there's no genetic cancers. There's no genetic diseases. That's already been proven. there was a big research done where taxpayers paid hundreds of millions of dollars called
Starting point is 01:28:40 the genome project. And when they finished it, they said, they thought they were going to get, everything was going to be genetic. And they went, uh-oh. Oh, well, okay, uh, we think that there could be three rare diseases that could be genetic. Now, you didn't hear about it. No, nobody heard about it. Okay, so let's just know this.
Starting point is 01:29:01 Also, cancer does not mutate and generate three. other parts of the body. Did you know that when you're born, okay, did you know that the fetus has 10,000 cancer cells floating around its body? Because that's part of the metabolism. And the reality is, is this, the reason why everything goes out of control is infection to inflammation, inflammation, oxygen, suffocation, and lower electrification within the cells. And guess what? This is scientifically documented if anybody really wanted to know. Yeah, it is interesting. You know, when we look at this and clearly there's a lot of things, I think, as people
Starting point is 01:29:42 looked at what happened about six years ago, anybody that had a lot of faith in the medical community pretty much had it shattered at that point in time. And so I think a lot of people are reevaluating the paradigm that we view life and help through, I think. And it sounds like that is absolutely where you're coming from, a completely different paradigm, right? well i don't know i think that you know if you put people first and not money that's a big paradigm shift isn't it right there if you had well it has it has to happen somewhere
Starting point is 01:30:19 here i don't know when but it better happen pretty damn soon uh that's what i that's all i've got to say but the reality is there's eight billion of us there's only about 250 000 of them that run the planet so i really don't see why we couldn't come together with unconditional love and not see color, Nazi race, not see religion, but see spirit beings that were created by the same creator. Now you got a couple of different documentaries. You mentioned one that was free at DoD Selfcure.com.
Starting point is 01:30:50 Is that correct? And you got another documentary, Escape the Matrix movie, right? Yeah, if I can say this. The DoD SelfCure.com, I go in there and watch the three months, masterclasses. And if you want to read my book Healthy to 100 and then take a look at the DOD slideshow,
Starting point is 01:31:15 it's all there. If a person just spent, let's say, eight hours in there, I don't care how long you've been in the health business. You'll learn more in there than you've learned in 30 or 40 years. Because understand, everybody, I need you to get this. Whether you're a naturopathic doctor or functional medicine doctor, you know, or a medical doctor. Anything that has government approval is going to be attached to a lot of spending money and years and years in school.
Starting point is 01:31:43 And guess what? That's the danger. Anything that's government approved, your life is in danger. And that's it. So you can believe it or not believe it. And the reality is people will wake up someday. And I hope it's not too, they're too late. Now, so go to DoD SelfCure.com.
Starting point is 01:32:02 It's all free. And I also have what's called Braveheart Nation. app.com. It's the largest health care, self-care app in the world, the biggest, and it's free. And in there,
Starting point is 01:32:15 there's the first act of escap the matrix.com. It's two and a half years of research. And it's a three-hour documentary, and we give the first act away. We're just not releasing it right away because it's going around the world right now. It's being asked to come to film festivals first.
Starting point is 01:32:35 And then we have another one coming out. And it's, you're going to, this one will maybe shock you a little. This one's called the glitch in the Matrix. Have you ever heard of Robert Altos? No, I haven't. Well, he wrote The Matrix. And it was called The Immortals. And he has a, we've done a three and a half hour documentary.
Starting point is 01:32:59 And I know people are going to go, no way. And I didn't bring this out because of the conspiracy part. or anything. I just need people to know that one of the most favorite movies in the world was stolen from somebody who wrote it. And then they gave you the answers. And if you saw the way he wrote it, it made you think and he uncovered so much. And then to all of this over these years, let's just put it this way.
Starting point is 01:33:33 Government, they took his, Hollywood took his copyright and then two of his kids were taken from the planet so we're going to release this and it's going to put shivers all the way up the spine in Hollywood
Starting point is 01:33:52 and the reality is is this will justice ever be done? I doubt it you know what guys you got to understand something they're all protecting each other that's why right now you see the you see all the wars, you see the economy stuff,
Starting point is 01:34:09 you see how you've got people, you've got people in government pretending they're helping you. Okay? And the reality is, is most of you don't get this, but you've got the elites, the royals, and they call themselves the higher lords, and we were getting a financially too strong, and people were moving up.
Starting point is 01:34:31 Remember something. If we kept going the way we were going, then we are getting closer to where they are, and they don't want that. They want the lineups. They never want a lineup. I mean, if everybody could afford their own plane, they'd be in line too.
Starting point is 01:34:46 So understand that. Everything is a ruse. Yeah, absolutely you can see that, I think pretty easily, the desire to have an elite class, stratification, and they guard that very jostly, and they are doing anything they can
Starting point is 01:35:02 to maintain that. I certainly agree with that. Well, I think it's always interesting. Well, I mean, it's been going on since you ever watch those night movies where the king goes, we need to put the taxes up, okay, because we need to protect the kingdom. Well, no, they actually created the war, but most of the money they just kept for themselves. And then the people that were actually making all the materials for the war were them. I mean, come on, people.
Starting point is 01:35:32 That's right. Yeah, as a matter of fact, I go back to Paul Ehrlich. say we've got too many people have got to get rid of a lot of them. That is kind of, I think, a paranoid self-protection aspect. And the things he was talking about, well, through disease and through wars, we can, those are the most effective ways to control the population. And they want to control the number of us, so they control those of us who remain politically and militarily.
Starting point is 01:35:56 They can control us if they don't have too many of us. I think that really is the core of all this. And why we see so much of this stuff happening all the time, I had some specific questions when I looked at this because, as you point out, we're hearing so much about ivermectin and fimbendazol, and all these antiparcytics. Everybody is talking about that constantly now. And when I saw a detox there, and you mentioned it briefly, you know, what is, I know you have a, you believe that the parasites are coming from the problems that we've created with our own bodies,
Starting point is 01:36:29 right, in terms of nutrition. No, but they are. I don't believe it. Oh, okay. That's fine. They are. They are. Now, in your program, does your detox address the parasites that are there, or just stop generating them, and then your body will take care of it? Is that your perspective? Well, I address it, but the reality is, is this, please don't take this wrong anyone, but you've got to vibrate as low as a parasite to have a parasite. They're a high vibrational species. and it's all about vibration.
Starting point is 01:37:06 And let me just make the parasite thing really clear. So I could go and eat, okay? Mm-hmm. And there could be fungus, bad bacteria, or parasites. You do know that the hydrochloric acid in a healthy person, the hydrochloric acid in your stomach will digest bones. Mm-hmm. You do know that, right?
Starting point is 01:37:29 So look it up. 5 pH. Do you know how acidic that is? So neutral is seven. Now, as you drop a point six, that's getting acidic. Five is really acidic. You don't want to drink five acidic water. That'll really ruin you. Okay. So now we're going to bring it down not to four, not to three, but we're, but in between 1.5 and 3.5 is where people's pH is. Now, here's what's happened. If people are on PPI's, okay. Okay.
Starting point is 01:38:09 Okay. PBI, what is that? Proton pump inhibitors because of heartburn, because of acid problems, they will never heal from anything. If people are on statin drugs, they will never heal from. Those are the two drugs that people will never heal from, ever. You know, that's like, and a person takes statins because they went to the doctor and they go, oh my god your cholesterol's at 250 you got to bring it down they really push that hard on me and it's
Starting point is 01:38:37 like I've heard enough negative they really pushed that and it's hard for me and I've I've heard enough bad stuff about that that I avoided that freight train but yeah they do push that hard well first of all just go do your homework and go back 120 years 350 cholesterol was healthy person and it still is today. I don't even know what my cholesterol number is. Listen, we're a bunch of dumb bunnies. We're a bunch of dumb bunnies. That's it.
Starting point is 01:39:09 We believe everything that these oligarchs say. That's all. We're just dumb bunnies. So anyways, back to the parasites. So if your hydrochloric acid is weak, then yes, parasites could get past the stomach. But understand, even it, but we don't, but everybody talks about the parasites in the water
Starting point is 01:39:28 and parasites in the food. And it's not the problem. Okay, first of all, gum disease is bum disease. It's actually hot air coming off, rotting waste that comes up to create the gum disease. Okay? Do you know what bad breath is?
Starting point is 01:39:49 It's poop. It's hot air poop particles getting in your mouth. Your teeth are bones. And the bad bacteria, what do you think the plaidstice? is on the teeth. That's the buildup of this waste gas coming up. And it's called lipopolysacroid, a gas that comes off the bad bacteria. Tell me, I'm wrong. Look at everybody. Almost everybody's got a belly. Even the kids, they're full of water because they're inflamed. So that's the only people
Starting point is 01:40:20 that have got puffy faces, puffy bodies, is where the body has to retain water or you wouldn't be alive, you're so inflamed. Okay. So the reality is here is it's everything's about the environment. Let me ask you a question. And then we'll come back to it because this is important. So if you had fruit at home, you got nice fruit bowl, right? You got fruit in the fruit bowl.
Starting point is 01:40:45 And then you start seeing fruit flowers. Why are they there and where'd they come from? I don't know. Now, see, there's the problem. I don't know. And this is how they hide it so well. So was the fruit starting to go off and a little trumpet that you couldn't hear?
Starting point is 01:41:07 And it called the fruit flies from down the street or from another country? Yeah, I don't know. Or were they there all along? No, the fruit flies were created by the fruit. The frequency, because when the fruit flies start to hover around the fruit, it says eat it today or don't eat it tomorrow. And then the fruit flies are coming to eat the decomposing fruit.
Starting point is 01:41:35 Okay, let me ask you a question. What came first, the swamp or the mosquito? I would say the swamp. That's right. There you go. There's your answer. And depending what type of toxicity and where it is in the body will depend the worm. Okay. Now, Ivermectin and Fennbendazole, do they work? Yes, they do. Would I do them? No, I wouldn't. Do I tell people to do them? No, I don't. Do I tell them not to do them? No, I won't do that either. You want to take it, take it. But just understand, get Ivermectin from India. If you get it from United States, it's got graphene and if you get it from Mexico, it's got too many heavy metals. If you get it from India, it's going to be more pure. So let's make some wise decisions. Okay, and then the Fennbendenzol,
Starting point is 01:42:24 is a pet parasite product, but it's pretty natural. It's not that it's for pets. I mean, they just don't want us to have it, so I get it. But if you go in and you do fenpendizol and you do ivermectin, you're going to go in and you're going to kill the adult parasites. The adult parasites give off a hormone while they're alive to actually keep the eggs that they drop in the body not to hatch. So as soon as you kill them with that, 10 days later, you've got a whole new set of parasites.
Starting point is 01:42:56 And the other thing is, is this, okay, should we, okay, so if I had a lake and I had water coming in this side and water going out that side, I'm never going to have, I'm never going to have a fungal problem, mosquito problem, bacterial problem, not going to have it. But if I cut the water off from coming in and going out, I got a swamp. And what's happening is that people don't understand this, but 99% of the population has a bad constipation problem. That doesn't mean you don't go. It's what doesn't come out that kills you.
Starting point is 01:43:36 Look at, you can't have bad breaths, you can't have smelling armpits, you can't be puffy in the face. You can't have inflammation in your body, unless you got into an accident, you could have inflammation. But if you didn't get into an accident, you've got chronic inflammation. then you're pooping in your pelvis.
Starting point is 01:43:53 I'm going to prove this to you right now. Okay? So you said your son has an autoimmune disease, and I'm telling you there isn't any. There's right now 175 autoimmune diseases, and guess what? The body doesn't attack itself. Do you want to know what the body attacks?
Starting point is 01:44:08 I'll give you the answer. And then if I were to get your son to go on a proper protocol, all right? It'll be six weeks to three months, and we'll have a completely reversed. Completely. God is great. Our body heals.
Starting point is 01:44:26 That's it. Get in alignment. I guarantee he hasn't come off all the sugars of the carbs, might still drink beer. I guarantee he eats probably, he eats meat, probably eats too much of it,
Starting point is 01:44:36 doesn't chew it enough. And so now you've got a dead carcass rotting in you. Probably doesn't know about food combining, might not drink the right water, and drink enough water. Doesn't know that he should be having three meals, made three bowel movements a day.
Starting point is 01:44:49 Most people don't do that. So just think about it. How many people are grunting and groaning on the toilet, pushing their diaphragm down to try to get something out. How many people have diarrhea? Diarrhea is actually a symptom of chronic impaction. Okay, so when a child doesn't want to eat, nobody realizes the child's not having bowel movements.
Starting point is 01:45:11 When a child has a fever, it's because of bowel movements. He doesn't need drugs. He needed to have a little warm water black diamond an animal. And the reality is, is we've walked away from all of this. And I'm telling you right now, unless your son hurt his knees, okay, in some kind of sports injury. And if that's not true, then he's been pooping in his pelvis. And he could also be drinking beer.
Starting point is 01:45:37 Beer can injure the knees too. Beer is really not good for it. It hits the knees. It's not the beer, but it's also not an injury. So it's something in between. No, no, no. he's pooping in his pelvis. I'm going to prove it to you right now.
Starting point is 01:45:52 So here we go. So do you know what? Do you ever hear of a leaky gut? Yeah. Yeah, I've heard of that. Yeah. Oh, there's no such thing as leaky gut. It's not like I'm going to drink and my gut's going to leak.
Starting point is 01:46:03 Okay, it's leaky large intestine. So here's what happens. And this is actual science. Anybody can look this up. Please go look it up. So anyways, what happens is when you need to understand your large intestine is five to seven feet long. Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 01:46:18 What is the most important? thing for a garden is what you put into the compost. Would you guys put beer in it? Would you put sugar in it? Would you put processed foods in it? Would you put drugs into your compost that you're going to put into your garden? Well, guess what? The large intestine is the garden of life. It's 85% of your immune system. It's all about your bacteria. So the reality is, is this. What are we putting into our compost? Most people only have four inches of consciousness, not 33 feet, which is your digestive tract is. So you know, you get four inches of pleasure and 30 feet of hell. Okay. So by the time it gets down here, you're rotting out. Okay, so think about it, sir. How many people talk about
Starting point is 01:47:00 their tummy going up and down like an accordion? They get bloated all the time. How many people have low back pain? Did you know before processed food? So just know this, that when they really ramped up the processed foods, and that was like 25 years ago. Hardly anybody was getting hip surgery. Hardly anybody was getting knee surgery. Nobody had spinal stenosis of the low back, sir. Okay? Hardly anybody was getting ovarian cysts.
Starting point is 01:47:27 Hardly anybody was having infertility with their tubes. Hardly anybody was getting prostate inflammation. Hardly anybody was getting bladder infections. Okay. Hardly anybody was getting ovarian cysts. Okay? All right. So this is the deal.
Starting point is 01:47:45 You've got what's called your pelvic. bowl, right? That's our pelvis. You got your large intestine. So just know this, that your large intestine, it has a mucus layer, okay? And then under the mucus layer, you have only
Starting point is 01:48:01 one cell deep called epithelial cells. Those epithelial cells are tight together like Velcro. And what they do is with the mucus layer and the epithelial cells, it allows the nutrients, only the nutrients
Starting point is 01:48:17 to get through in some water to get through in the large intestine. So, and it stops and blocks the parasites, the bad bacteria, the chemicals, the heavy metals, and the trap, and the protein particles. So here's what's happening. So how many people do antibiotics, sir? Oh, pretty much everybody, I guess, yeah. One round, one round of a seven-day antibody is enough to actually do this. Are you ready?
Starting point is 01:48:43 Mm-hmm. Okay, and just know the glyphosate that's in everything. It does it as two. And just know every medication you take does it as well. Just know that alcohol does it as well. And all processed foods do it as well. Okay. But the antibiotics and the glyphosate are the main ones.
Starting point is 01:49:03 Okay. So what happens is we'll talk about just those, but everything else adds is an irritation, inflammation, infection. So when an antibiotic comes into your large intestine, to kill the bad bacteria, it explodes like an atomic bomb and it kills all bacteria. So just know that. Don't believe me. It doesn't hand pick, all right?
Starting point is 01:49:26 Just like chemo doesn't handpick. It kills all cells. All right. So antibiotics blow up. Okay, now what happens is when that happens, that creates more infection. The good bacteria go into bad bacteria just within days after you stop the antibiotics. that yeast that's in you, which is naturally occurring, goes into the fungus.
Starting point is 01:49:48 So now, guess what? Everybody talks about how they do antibiotics or they do some kind of medication. They can't poop. And you know I'm right. Can't poop. And guess what? If you want to go into a nursing home,
Starting point is 01:49:58 you'll find out the biggest topic in a nursing home is nobody can poop and they're looking who's going to get the award today for getting a turd out. Okay. Now, so the reality is that infection, okay? So now infection creates inflammation. And here's what happens.
Starting point is 01:50:16 The inflammation burns the mucus off the walls. The mucus was used to move the poop through. So now you've got a glicky, sticky mess because there's no smooth slide. But it's also not protecting anymore. That was protecting what shouldn't get into the bloodstream. Okay. And what should get into the bloodstream? But now what happens?
Starting point is 01:50:37 Those tight junctions with the inflammation, they're tore open. And guess what? You can believe it. really care. The corporations, all food corporations, and the medical system, and the people that work there, God love them. Most of them don't know this, and that's the truth. They don't know this. So I'm not picky on doctors and nurses. But the reality is, is the goal for the entity behind the medical system and the corporations is to tear open those tight junctions. You do that. And guess what? Now you're pooping in your pelvis. And I'll tell you something.
Starting point is 01:51:10 okay you want to hear a story real quick this is true i'll even give you the name of the person i just did a consult on on uh for the um for the parents three year old child okay this three year old child uh has leaky got so bad that they didn't realize it and they just found out today because of my work that the baby has been leaking waste into its bloodstream and right at where the seekum is on the right side and that pooping in the pelvis infection actually caused infection and inflammation and when you have too much inflammation it pulled the calcium out of the child's hip and they i've got the x-ray i could show it to you and guess what i just going to put him on a protocol and they want to they they're considering okay now remember the kids in pain and this three-year-old
Starting point is 01:52:06 now cannot walk because the hip is so bad. Think about this. And so anyways, they're considering, well, what are we going to do? Do surgery on him? And I told them three to six months, the child's hip will be completely healed. And not because of me, but because of a product called Kelsey-M-ion therapy called Marogen, Beyond Dormous Minerals, giving the little big kid daily cleansing tea to start moving the waist out. and they're going to stop giving the child meat, dairy, flour products, and sugar,
Starting point is 01:52:43 and they're going to put the child on a high vibrational, whole plant-based keto diet. And I'm telling you, it's got nothing to do with me. Well, let me ask you this. We've done, I'm sorry to interrupt you, but we've done keto, and it was mostly meat. So what kind of a keto diet is this? Well, first of all, I don't know, sir. how many dead animals is it going to take for you to get well? I'm just asking.
Starting point is 01:53:10 I don't know. I don't know. I don't know, sir. How many? How many? How many? So the reality is, is what I'm talking about, first of all, do you do know that the body doesn't need protein?
Starting point is 01:53:21 It needs amino acids, right? Okay. I didn't know anything. You do know that it takes a ton of energy to take animal protein and break it down into amino acids. So what does the diet look like? like that doesn't have, I mean, typically with a keto diet, you're seeing lots of meat and lots of protein and things like that. So is it some plant-based thing or is a supplement-based
Starting point is 01:53:45 thing that is amino acids rather than getting protein? First of all, people don't know it, but fruit is not a dessert. You could eat a whole, you could sit down and just eat enough watermelon, and I'm going to guarantee you, you're going to have more energy than that meat you just date. I guarantee it. Okay. So I eat a whole. plant-based diet. How do I look? I'll be 70 next week. You look great. Okay. All right. How's my energy? Am I fading here? I think you're doing better than I am and I'm 71. So, okay. So the reality is, is this, well, you can turn it all around too, but are you, but the reality is, is you don't know this, but the subconscious runs your life. And the subconscious gets addicted
Starting point is 01:54:31 to poisons. And the subconscious only plays prominent dominant beliefs. And if you don't change your personality, you can't change reality. A lot of people will use willpower and go, well, I'm going to go on a diet or whatever they go on. They go, oh, man, I felt good while I was on it. Then why did you get off of it? Okay. So the reality is, is this. People get everything they need. And I'm not telling you that I will never, ever, ever have any animal products. I'm not against people eating animal products. against people having dead carcasses rot in them. The reality is, is when you eat meat, sir, do you chew the meat until it's a liquid in your mouth?
Starting point is 01:55:12 Never done that. You take it down in chunks. Do you have another set of dentures in your stomach? Not last time I looked. Okay, right. Anyways, so now, let me, I got to finish this because you're going to love this part. So what happens is, believe it or not, your son and everyone else, and I'm talking about 99.9% of the population has leaky gut now.
Starting point is 01:55:35 That is the biggest, that is the biggest conspiracy that people do not understand. The large intestine has fallen. And when it falls, so does the blood-brain barrier. So now people that have leaky gut, which is 99.9% of the population are pooping into their pelvis. And what I'm saying is we've got trap protein particles going in there. We've got heavy metals going in there.
Starting point is 01:56:01 We've got chemicals going in there. We got microscopic fecal waste going in, parasites going in, and here's the deal. We have a product called lipopolysaccharoid going in. Here comes the ticket. So if I was actually pooping, can I ask you a question? Why is it that people get bladder infections and 95% of all bladder infections are E. coli.
Starting point is 01:56:28 And E. coli is only found in the large intents. intestine. How did it get in the bladder? You pooped in your pelvis. And then guess what? Your kidneys there's only supposed to purify the fluid. Now they're taking over for the large intestine. So now you've got E. coli in your bladder. And that's why the bladder infection. But that's why you get the scar tissue called endometriosis. That's why you get fibroids. Every tumor, every fibroid from a pimple to a tumor is a storage shed because you're not eating right. It's infections. So now we got all these particles going into the bloodstream. Wherever the circulation is the worst,
Starting point is 01:57:09 that would be a dam, right? Like if you got scar tissue or crystallization or the circulation wasn't good around your knee, what's going to happen? The particles are going to, that when in your bloodstream, are now going to get caught up in the knee joint because it's like a bend in a river, yes?
Starting point is 01:57:27 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. What do you think happens? the body goes to attack the knee because not the knee goes to attack the particles that are in the joint that are in the highland cartilage okay that are maybe even attached
Starting point is 01:57:42 to the sack of the synovial fluid okay so now it's attacking there and that's what you call arthritis inflammation of the joint arth means joint itis means so joint inflammation that's all that means so why do you have inflammation well you had to have infection because the body's going into attack
Starting point is 01:58:00 the area to try to get rid of the particles. But what if you had a screen door, like a screen door in a submarine, that's the way your large intestine is. Well, you're continually infecting yourself, aren't you? Okay, let me just turn it around. So I don't care that's where all low back surgeries are coming from. That's where all the hip surgeries. And I mean, I say all, I'm telling you that 95 to 98% of all low back surgeries,
Starting point is 01:58:26 all hip surgeries, all knee surgeries are caused from the leaky gut. Now, are you ready for this? This is a scientific research. Parkinson's, ALS, which is Lou Gehrig's, MS, depression, anxiety, bipolar, dementia, Alzheimer's are caused from pooping in your pelvis. Because when those particles attach to the brain, then you get the body attacking the particles, then you tear open the tight junctions of the brain and now the iron curtain falls,
Starting point is 01:59:03 which is the blood brain barrier. And guess what? Now what happens? Anybody that's pooping in their pelvis, we know they're rotting out and you create from your bad bacteria a lipopolysacroid. That gas gets into the bloodstream.
Starting point is 01:59:19 And when that gas now, because the brain has been ripped open just like the intestine, that lipopolysaccharide, goes in, and guess what it does? It shuts down the dopamine and serotonin receptors, and that's how we end up with these diseases. Let me ask you this. You know, when you get the endothelial layer is torn, what is it that builds that back? I mean, your body is going to build that back, but what does it need in order to do that? Does it need a break from some of its other stuff and it'll do it?
Starting point is 01:59:51 Can you say it one more time, sir? Yeah, what builds that back is your body is going to build The endothelial layer, the, that maybe I've got the wrong term here, but the thin layer that's in the intestine. Yeah, yeah. I can tell you right now, first of all, let's get rid of all of the inflammatory foods. Okay. Let's get rid of the chemicals and let's get rid of, you don't have to. I'm not telling, I don't tell anybody what to do. Do whatever you want, but get rid of the drugs.
Starting point is 02:00:23 Not one drug is ever healed. Thank you very much. So I don't know why you're doing it. Okay. But the reality is let's get rid of everything that's irritating because irritation causes inflammation. And inflammation causes the tearing, okay? Remember something. Inflammation is a fire, okay?
Starting point is 02:00:40 All right? So whether you're talking there or whether you're talking the knee, it's the same thing. You've got to get rid of the inflammation. So you better get rid of the infection that caused the inflammation. So once you get rid of the inflammation, the body heals itself? Is that, is that? Yeah, it does. But we can also supersede it.
Starting point is 02:01:00 Anybody that has, the whole world should be on black gold, which is, and black diamond, daily cleansing tea. And if nothing else, curcumin cayenne 5,000 every day, they would never have these problems. Okay, it's called the domino effect. It all starts from the large intestine. And you know what? I would love someone to challenge me.
Starting point is 02:01:25 I just, you know, getting bored lately, need a challenge. I want someone to come and challenge me on this. Well, it's true to me. I mean, I'm not a medical expert by any means, but from what I've seen in terms of gut health issues and the poison and the processing that we have in our food, and as you point out, as people get older, that becomes a bigger and bigger issue.
Starting point is 02:01:45 As you point out, the rest of them, it's like an award as to who gets to go today. And it truly does ring true. And it's very interesting. And of course, people can find out more information if they go, what was it, D-O-D-Selfcure. Is that correct?com? D-O-D-Selfcure.com. And you told me that your son has knee problems.
Starting point is 02:02:08 So if he wants to give me a call, I'll give him a free consultation and I'll show him what he can do right away, right away. I appreciate that. Thank you so much because we have tried so many things with him. I mean, we've tried everything. We've tried stem cells. We've tried everything. only work on 50% of the people, and then over six months they leave. How would you like to have your son do what's called an advanced water fast and make $80,000
Starting point is 02:02:32 worth of stem cells? I can prove it, and it's only going to cost him a couple of hundred bucks. Well, we're definitely going to be contacting you. Thank you so much. Your body makes stem cells, sir. If you go into, if you go into ketosis, your body makes its own stem cells. We don't need to buy them. Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 02:02:50 Mm-hmm. I agree. Well, thank you so much. It's fascinating to talk to you. And I think we all need to understand. Certainly, we know that the medical community doesn't have any answers to cancer or to MS or to so many of these chronic diseases that we've seen that are rapidly increasing in our society. We've got an idea of where this stuff is coming from. But we're constantly looking for answers.
Starting point is 02:03:14 And if people want to take a look at what Dr. Wolf has here again, you can go to D-O-D-Selfcure.com. and he lays out his program and how he sees the problem as well as the solution. Thank you so much for joining us, sir. No, no. The pleasure is mine. And thank you, sir. And thank you for all the great work that you're doing. Oh, thank you. Have a good day.
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