The David Knight Show - Gold Shines as the World Burns: Chaos Conspiracy Unveiled

Episode Date: April 10, 2025

     Is this the great reset in disguise? A deliberate demolition of stability?Tony Arterburn, DavidKnight.gold looks at how gold has been a relative island of stability amidst the chaos created  by Trump     From the 2020 crash to Russia’s ruble rebound and the dollar’s descent into “candy wrapper” status, they reveal how governments, institutions, and even technocrats are sprinting toward physical gold as the ultimate lifeline. Money should have intrinsic value AND transactional privacy: Go to DavidKnight.gold for great deals on physical gold/silverIf you would like to support the show and our family please consider subscribing monthly here: SubscribeStar https://www.subscribestar.com/the-david-knight-show Or you can send a donation throughMail: David Knight POB 994 Kodak, TN 37764Zelle: @[e-mail] App at: $davidknightshowBTC to: bc1qkuec29hkuye4xse9unh7nptvu3y9qmv24vanh7For 10% off Gerald Celente's prescient Trends Journal, go to TrendsJournal.com and enter the code KNIGHTFor 10% off supplements and books, go to RNCstore.com and enter the code KNIGHTBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-david-knight-show--2653468/support.

Tony Aardeman of Wise Wolf Gold. Tony has set up David Knight Die Gold to take you there and there you can get. Well, I guess this is Tony and I were talking about it. I guess gold is the asset that weathered this better than anything else. It started going down. Even gold was starting to go down before Trump took off the tariffs, but far less than anything else. It's been a crazy week, hasn't it, Tony? Absolutely, it has. And I was looking at the charts and metrics this morning while you were leading up to our interview. And I looked at, went back to 2020, David, and look back March 2020 you had that big you know market correction it was the highest market since the 29 crash and then lowest since

the 29 crash and then gold and silver went with that market so when it when it dipped I remember this vividly because you know I was getting orders people trying to place orders when everything fell and supply was not pretty much non-existent because nobody was gonna fill those orders. It crashed so hard. And I look back at that price and you're talking around $1,500 an ounce.

It dipped into like, I believe the $1,300 range temporarily and then came back up. But if you look at the timeline here, so that's March of 2020. And then so we, after that, you have the, the scam, DEMIC, the lockdowns, uh, you have, uh, this 80% of all the dollars ever created in that timeframe. You and I know both know what was going on before that, which, you know, was massive, uh, liquidity creation, uh, in the last quarter of 2019 and the repo

market and the repo, I had to look that up. It's like, what in the world is that? Are they taking people's cars? what in the world is that? Are they taking people's cars? I mean. I remember that's the first interview you and I ever had back in the last quarter of 2019. And so you had that massive currency creation.

Gold stays about $1,500, $1,600 an ounce. But when we cross a certain threshold, and it was 2022, and that's when we put the sanctions on Russia after the invasion of Ukraine and the ruble fell then it rebounded the Russian foreign minister said dollars are candy wrappers the world started to de-dollarize it was about I mean it was rapid it was like a 10 percent reduction within about a 12 month space about year, and I started watching the metrics on gold and any market correction, it stabilized. It didn't go with the market anymore. So this is something that is new. So that I think it's just a just an anomaly, just I noticed something. Any other time that the markets has fell, what will happen is

you might have a little correction in gold now, but not the big sell-offs that you used to see and the reason is is because people are running towards physical gold and not just people, institutions, governments, multinationals, they're running towards that because of the uncertainty everywhere and gold is showing itself to be the reserve currency of the world once again. It's just not official yet. Um, but again, it's over $3,100 an ounce and it threw this, you know, tear of chaos that held up. It's the, really the only thing that did was gold. That's right. That's right. Yeah.

I would just disagree with that Russian comment that, uh, uh, the dollar is just candy wrappers. I think it's, it's not candy that's on the inside. I think it's feces. I think it's about to hit the fan. With a lot of help from Trump creating all this chaos. That's the key thing. As I said earlier, Tony, this isn't even about terrorists versus free trade or anything else. This is about the chaos.

The chaos in and of itself is the thing. You can have any kind of policy that you want. You can have any kind of tax system that you want. But it needs to be done in an orderly way rather than just trying to break everything. And of course, what we've seen is that there's no patience from Biden, no patience from Trump. They want to break everything and build it back better. And it is a deliberate tactic, a deliberate strategy. We see that when the World Economic Forum talks about it. We see it when Silicon Valley says, you've got to move fast and break things.

They are trying their hardest to break us. And the worst aspect of this is this flip-flopping chaos, which now we're being told was the plan. It was the art of the deal. Right. This is a technocratic cloud and pivot. now we're being told was the plan. It was the art of the deal. Right. This is a technocratic cloud and pivot. Technocratic cloud and pivot is what you're watching in my, there's no other explanation. There's no other explanation. We're not,

just I was saying off air to you, we're not a serious nation. This isn't serious economic policy. Now you know, you have the, the Magatards with the art of the deal art of the deal it's not the art of the deal. This is not the reverse. We don't look serious. We're not holding to anything and then I talked about last week there's you got this supposed stick and no carrot. The carrot would be oh here's incentives no tax you know no corporate income tax whatever it would be to make the economic conditions and you know domestically attractive for you to move here and build here and markets love certainty

mhm we're not giving them any certain there's there's no certainty that's why i think of the phenomenon here that is interesting and another point about gold david that it's whether this storm but it also did something that it's never done against fiat currency and you know this better than anybody look at what uh Jerome Powell raising interest rates faster than any rate in history that was supposed to curb inflation right that's what you're going to get this transitory inflation as uh he and Janet Yellick called it but But the problem is, is that when that happens, when you interest rates are, or when they raise them, gold usually falls because it's

supposedly strengthened. That didn't happen either. So there's two metrics now that we're watching against gold that, that it's breaking its patterns of the past. And the past is usually when markets fall, gold goes with it because of paper contracts and other things it didn't happen this time and it didn't it didn't fall when the Fed raises interest rates so there's this is the key here is the monetary system is resetting itself you talk about a great reset this is resetting itself you know beyond what I thought it would do. And I think in a much faster timeline.

Well, you know, when the beginning of this chaos has went on for several days, gold was hanging high, you know, it was up nearest record highs and it was hanging in there. And it only started to move down the last couple of days. And a lot of people were saying it got caught in a liquidity trap. You know, you got a lot of people out there who are big investors and they have issues because the stocks are going down. They've got to cover the calls and things like that and so they had to cash in stuff. You know, just like you were talking about, even as the central banks are buying gold, a lot of

individuals have to cash in gold because they need the money because economically the economy is not doing well and they're not doing well in things in their life so they want to sell it. There might be some profit taking that's going on there but in a lot of cases it's a liquidity crash. You've got to get rid of it because you just got to have the money. So I think that was a big part of why it started trending down towards the end. There's just that sinking market was pulling everything down.

Everybody's like, well, I'll sell this, I'll sell that, just to get the money to try to not go bankrupt. Yeah. Another thing that I think was happening too, and still gold held a lot of, I mean, most of it's strength through this, but the interesting thing to watch is I think there was a lot of most of its strength through this but an interesting thing to watch is I think there was a lot of big institutional liquidation of their gold holdings to buy the dip of everything else when true you know the Rothschild said you you get you buy when there's blood in the streets so I think a lot of that even just some of that but it's still even with that even with the

profit-taking the liquidation to buy stocks when they're low in the dip, it still didn't bring the price down. It didn't follow the market. It didn't do what it has done for the past 50 years. I think that's a key takeaway here that we are entering into a new economic world order. This is something completely different than, you know, this isn't Jim Kramer's world. It never was, but it's not, you know, Fang's stock, all the stock market and everything else built around that and the fiat system, that is being reset. And of course, as I've said before, I, you know, I don't like volatility. It's what I, one of the things I don't like about Bitcoin is

how volatile it is. And, you know, gold was not only, was not only hanging in there tough, but it was also the least movement in all of them in terms of volatility. But now it's coming back as well as gold, silver, stocks, Bitcoin are all rallying now as Trump has reversed himself yet again on these disastrous policies. How many times do you think he can do this and get away with it? How many times can he cry wolf over a tear of policies? He did that at the very beginning and then said, oh, well, nevermind. And then you put it on a delay and everything. How many times you think he can do that and get away with it? I definitely think if you're China, you just don't

take him seriously at this point. He's not proving himself to be serious. And then the delays on the other, I'd be surprised if they even try to implement them at all the other tariffs. So I don't think any of that matters. I think what you got to look at some other metrics that don't get brought up mortgage back securities. You remember those? That's what brought down the entire market,

the entire financial system in 2008. Mortgage-backed securities. $1.2 trillion of mortgage-backed securities are held by foreign nations. The largest foreign nation holder of those mortgage-backed securities in the United States? China. You talk about leverage. That's leverage over the very heartbeat of what this, the entire U.S. financial system, you know, the so-called American dream, that's the home, the home ownership, the mortgage system. It's built on that because that's currency creation, that's debt. We went away from a manufacturing economy and all the stuff that we left and we abandoned back in the mid 20th century really accelerating under things like NAFTA and such but that went to a an economy based off of debt based off of

currency creation and that was fueled by the housing market that's why it led to the 08 crash and you know was it Hank Paulson the Treasury Secretary begging Nancy Pelosi to give him the 750 billion or whatever it was to bail out the banks, that seems like a really quaint time now, like that isn't like that was a big deal to get that up. You know, you remember that? Oh yeah. The times when it was hard, you had to fight to get, yeah.

And now they just write it. They just, you know, it doesn't even matter. Um, so 150, we don't care. I mean, they threw that kind of stuff in there in 2019 with a, the repo market and nobody even talked about it. No, I don't even matter. 750, we don't care. I mean, they threw that kind of stuff in there in 2019 with the repo market and nobody even talked about it. No, I don't even care. Six trillion. Yeah.

Six trillion of that last quarter of 2019. It's just absolutely insane. So not, not 750 billion, but six trillion, 6,000 billion, if you won't. So yeah, it's crazy. Um, that, uh, this is all just seems to be accelerating and very very rapidly and And that's what it's designed to do. So It is interesting to see that again gold prices have surged now 3% after Trump temporarily suspended the tariff implementation I don't know what it's done today, but again

You know that is that's a big move for gold to make that. And of course, gold has been doing a lot of, it's been going up faster than it typically does, changes that typically does. But it's not even for me, it's not even about the price of gold and fiat dollars. For me, it's about getting out of this crazy system that is going to be manipulated by the Fed or manipulated by the President. That's the other thing I said earlier in the show, Tony. Everybody hates the fact, and rightfully so, that the Federal Reserve chair can just manipulate the economy with interest rates or whatever he's done.

So why is it a good thing for the MAGA people when, and they hate the Federal Reserve, right? They want the Federal Reserve, they want it audited, they want it taken out or whatever, but then they'll cheer Trump when he manipulates the tariff rates to manipulate the economy and does it single-handedly. I mean, how is that a good thing? Hard to deal. Yeah. It's art of the steel is what it really is. It's not a deal, it's a steal. He's stealing this. He's lifting our wallets while he's patting us on the back and telling us he's our friend.

And of course, betraying the farmers, you know, the people who were his big supporters. You know, he betrays his base over and over again. He betrayed the farmers with the tariffs and ready to do it again, just like he betrayed his supporters on January the 6th and the Stop the Steal and Save America stuff. I read the art of the deal is years ago. I was on a plane and I between two airports and I was going and I forget where I was traveling. I was thinking I was doing a show and I read the art of the deal and there's a story in there. I just thought of it. He he learned early on he was dealing with the apartment buildings and sketchy tenants and

landlords and other things. He postured himself as being like a tough guy, or being kind of crazy or something, like just to throw the person off guard. But it was all bluster, it was all bluff. He learned that that was a major theme in how you act, how you present yourself and you got to put out this persona and it's kind of a bluff this is what we're seeing with all the tariffs and the economic but there's no I don't see any strategy here other than first of all if you bet if you I think if you zoom out it is for something else and that's what I've been

thinking this whole time like it's not about the jobs creation is not even about the tariffs is not even about the revenue that you would bring in from the tariffs at this point the lowering of rates like getting those rates back because Jerome Powell raised him and then we've stabilized somewhat stabilize the dollar talk about a strong dollar I don't believe I mean that's all temperates all fiat currency stuff but that is true there's a metric there that shows dollar strength Trump needs of a weak dollar to fuel that you know casino

No stock market it fuels the it lever leverages cheaper goods and other things temporarily until you you know You have the backlash which is inflation and other things and loss of purchasing power, but there's a boom There's a there's a temporary boom so if you line up the timeline it would seem that if he can keep doing this it will force the Federal Reserve because of economic conditions to lower rates and to start lowering rates faster than they would have otherwise and you know big picture even zooming out further and that's what a lot of these people have been saying, oh, he's a genius. His real plan is to put the economy into a recession.

So they'll lower the rates. Oh, that's great. Right. It's like, it's like the, the commander in Vietnam, we had to destroy the village in order to save it. That's, that's the kind of logic there. But there's something, but I think there's a much deeper, you know, a strategy on that part if you're going to get the rates lowered, which is really bad and long-term because that's currency creation and then again it continues to fuel that fake, the infrastructure of fake and all that, it creates bubbles and it crashes. We can't survive another crash, David. We're at 125% debt to GDP. When you hit 130, no nations ever, no modern economy, the currency system, the financial

system itself doesn't survive. And we're going to be surpassing that even 130 very soon. So that's where you talk about the implementation of the central bank digital currency or whatever you want to call it now, whatever that is, the centralized system, the reorganizing of the dollar digitally. That's how you would bring it in. There's got to be a pretext for them to reset the financial system. So to me, this is all part of the great reset. It's just a different side of the coin. Oh, I agree. Thomas Massey was saying,

he was voting against this bill that Trump and Johnson wanted to put through, and he says, no, we're gonna wind up doubling the debt a decade, basically. And it's kind of game over. But going back to what you were saying about the art of the deal, I think it's kind of game over. But going back to what you were saying about the art of the deal, I think it's kind of interesting that that guy who was the ghostwriter for it has gone on one program after the other

talking about how much he regrets that. And I think he said, if I had it to do over again, he said, I'd like to rename the title of the book The Sociopath, I think that's he called, not Psychopath, I think Sociopath. And you're talking about the bluffing and the other things that were going on there. Remember when Trump called up that radio station and he pretended that he was somebody else in order to praise himself? That's basically, I thought about that and I thought, yeah, that's basically what Basically, I thought about that and I thought, yeah, that's basically what Peter Navarro did with his economist Ron Vera, you know, that he created with an anagram of his name. He created this to praise himself.

It's like, I imagine when Trump saw that, he's like, yeah, that's my guy, you know, we think alike. Trump had a guy, he had a persona called John Barron and he got, and that's funny because he named his son Barron. It was John Barron and he would call in and he would call magazines as his publicist and say you know this is who he's dating, he's really having a great time. It's interesting like and they have recordings of him, they have recordings of him. It's his voice and the lady was a different reporter. Like they was was calling to, to dish out on

himself to make him seem some more important. That's really, really interesting. That's where, that's where that's who's running this, uh, this country. Well, Hey, they always knew who he was. And uh, you know, when Wilbur Ross went there for the Ross child bankers, he said, uh, you know, he had this he had this entourage of people that were all around him and goes, I think we can use this guy. Let's not foreclose on him.

I think we can use him. And I think he is being used by a lot of these people to get exactly what they want. On Rumble, Soylent Goy says, you put your tariff foot in, you put your tariff foot out, you put your tariff foot in and you shake it all about. You do the Trumpy dumpy and you turn yourself around. That's what it's all about. It is a song and dance, isn't it?

He is an entertainer. Are you not entertained as they would say. It's absolutely crazy the way this whole thing is set up. But yeah, there's going to be a lot more of this. That's going to be on the way but I mean I thought about you last week as as gold was popping up and I thought I bet you were really Busy trying to work with this stuff, especially after it dipped. I thought well, it's on sale. I said that to everybody Get it it now is on sale

Just like it was on Trump stuff. That when we hit that dip, though, we, the phones were ringing. We've been busy and I'm thankful for it. You know, there's a lot of people that do need to sell right now because times are tough and, uh, because of the, there's always fallout from market uncertainty and, uh, you know, the drying up of liquidity and other things. It really hurts people. It affects people on a basic human level. So I understand that. We've been doing okay. It's been busy. Just trying to stay. I think the main thing for me is staying ahead of

the price restructuring is really tough right now. Like just making sure that I can always cover the spread and staying as lean as I can, because you know, the you get wiped out, um, housing too much of that inventory, you know, because of these markets and that's not just my bit, that's every business, but, uh, it's, it's really uncertain right now. And the markets are showing you that they're showing you the answer, the uncertainty I would say too, is Bitcoin, Bitcoin held up nicer than I thought. I mean even with

you know it's 81,000 today and I dipped into the mid 70s and then up into the 70s. I thought you know even with everything that's gone on with the amount of correction it didn't do what gold did. It's not gold, not at all, but it didn't do some of the same type of corrections like you saw in 2020. How did it do compared to stuff like Ethereum and things like that, other cryptos, even the big ones? It did better. Yeah.

It did better. Yeah. The Ethereum and other, there's nothing that's really held up like Bitcoin. I mean, they're all down. I mean, all crypto, the entire crypto market, but Bitcoin, at least last time I checked, all crypto, the entire crypto market, but Bitcoin, at least last time I checked, is held better. Its metrics are a bit better than the other cryptos.

Well, we got some comments here on Rumble on KWD68. Thomas Sowell and David Stockman have both opined on tariffs in the last week. I take what they say over Trump and his billionaire Zionist. He said, yeah, and Thomas Sowell was talking about how it's the, it's the chaos, stupid, you know, to paraphrase Clinton's guy there, but it really is the chaos. It's the uncertainty. Angry Tiger says weak dollar causes the Cantillon effect. Good for, I don't know, I guess that's right. Have you heard of that, Tony, the Cantillon effect. Good for, I guess that's right. Have you heard of that Tony, the Cantillon effect?

He defines it as good for the people on the top, bad for the people in the middle and on the bottom. And certainly, when we look at this, that signal all uppercase, now's a good time to buy the stocks. If you're going to have dictatorial powers where you can move markets with the words that you've got out there. That is a real trap for Trump, whether he is intentionally doing insider trading or whether he's just shooting from the hip as he always likes to do, because it certainly does look like insider trading, doesn't it?

There's so much entangling. I mean, you go back to the, just the meme coins that he blessed upon. That's right. I thought that was very dangerous, especially you know giving your influence as a public figure and an elected official and they're just anybody that knows anything about those kind of coins. You never put your name on that. It's a pump-and-dump. People are gonna get burned by it. People are gonna try that. They're gonna flood in at the top of the market that's gonna get sold off and then you're gonna be left holding the bag thinking there's a pump and dump. People are going to get burned by it. People are going to try, they're going to flood in at the top of the market, that's going to get sold off, and then you're going to be left holding the bag thinking there's

a little bit more. And it was up to like 70 something dollars is now down to nine dollars at the end of the last week. Wow. Yeah, that's not, yeah, if you ever hear me shilling a meme coin, it's, you know, invasion of the body snatchers. I'm not the same person. It's, uh, you know, I've invasion of the body snatchers. I'm not the same person. You can, it's, it's a clone of some kind. Um, so we're not going to have a Tony coin that's out there.

No, you see Tony coin. It's, it's don't buy it. It's not me. Well, I've been saying this last week, you know, when we look at Doge and anything, that basically a red herring that's out there. I was calling it a wag the Doge. Um, because Hey, look at this over here. Don't pay attention to what I'm doing over here in this area. And I think, well, of course, on other things, let's talk about what's going to happen to gold if we have a war with Iran because that may break out this week. And that'd be the next thing.

All the juggling plates that he's got going you know the next spectacle from Trump it's probably gonna be war with Iran this weekend what do you think that's a great question you know you're gonna have I think price of energy is gonna skyrocket price of crude uncertainty oil supply all that straight-up hormones that that all is affected by conflict price of gold I believe continues to rise at that point yeah sorry yeah that's okay price of gold continues to rise I believe in that in that scenario David I think that it or the markets will liquidate and go into gold because of uncertainty Iran

touches a lot of things you You know, the periphery of Iran is Russia and China and the control of that, of the oil there. And then there's so many underlying issues that affect that, that strike on Iran and it could turn into something much, much wider, which is what I've been talking about. We might turn our attention away from Ukraine temporarily or take the emphasis off that but That's maybe why Trump's here because the right will accept what the so-called right will accept that war with it It's like Goldilocks war is what I called it. I mean the right didn't like Ukraine The left doesn't like war with Iran, but the right the right certainly gets behind that because of Israel.

Yeah. And just doing Israel's, the AIPAC lobby's bidding there in the Middle East. And so it makes no sense for us to do anything in that region, but that's probably why we will. That's right. Yeah, we look at the defense budget they're boasting. At the same time, they're enacting austerity programs for everybody and pushing the panic buttons. They're saying, well, we just did a trillion dollar defense budget, right? It wasn't that long ago that he said, hey, I'm going to talk to Russia

and China, see if they'll cut their defense budgets in half. So will we. And then he increases it by 12%. I mean, all this stuff is just nonsense. And no matter what he does, they cheer it. Oh, look, he's's gonna cut the defense budget by 50% That's good. Oh now he's gonna increase it by 12. That's good. We need to be strong. It's like, you know Okay, it's just whatever Trump does they focus on it. But yeah, that's the key thing. I think is that You know, it's going to have some effect Financially, but when I like I said, I don't really financially, but like I said, I don't really... It's good to see things moving

in this direction. It's good to see gold going up. It's not really for me. It's not about the price of gold and dollars. It's really about getting something that's outside of their system. It's really about prepping. When you start talking about a war with Iran and knock on consequences of that, even if that war doesn't come to our shore, And when you start talking about a war with Iran and knock on consequences of that, even if that war doesn't come to our shore, it's going to have tremendous economic consequences

for us and globally. It's going to put the world into a depression or a recession or even a depression because the disruption in that area. But it could have much bigger consequences. And of course, when we look at the size of Iran versus the size of Iraq, there's a reason that they've talked a long time about attacking Iran but haven't done it. But now he's amassing all of these stealth bombers and Diego, was it Diego Garcia, that island I think, they've got the so-called unsinkable aircraft carrier because it's just basically a big landing strip, you know, but they've, they've amassed all their

strategic bombers. I mean, I wouldn't be surprised to see them kick this nonsense off over the weekend. Well, I wouldn't either. It's, it'd be an absolute tragedy that we haven't downgraded and abandoned that failed policy in the middle east. No, we like to double and triple down. It's just what we do. You get different, you know, lip service from either puppet that runs, but we always find our way back into the the middle east and in broiling those conflicts that are absolutely unwinnable and have nothing to do with national security. We could buy oil from anybody. Whoever runs that,

whether it's Saddam Hussein slant drilling into Kuwait, or the Kuwaitis slant drilling into Iraq, buy oil from whoever runs it. I don't care. I never thought. And by the way, the whole map was drawn up by Winston Churchill, you know, drinking scotch after the first world war. It's not even real. They just, you know, it's the maps are all the artificial, the artificial constructs, especially things like Kuwait. Kind of paraphrase what he said to that woman. She said, you sir are drunk. He says, yes, but in the morning I'll be sober and you'll still be ugly or whatever. You know, well, in the morning I will be sober, but we'll still have all these different countries in the maps that I've drawn. They just literally just draw, drew it up, you know, after the first World War.

And I remember being in Afghanistan and they said, Artebrand, we're going to put you on a special detail. You can go out to the tarmac. And I said, okay, we've got a high profile you're going to fly around with and we're going to get a different point, like special operations bases in Afghanistan. Anyway, it was Tommy Frank. I turned around and it was Tommy Franks, you know, the four-star general. Yeah, and we've had I never I never felt like

safer when I was like, I'm not this plane isn't gonna crash, you know, like I just got just relaxed, you know, and he was joking around with everybody and I look out the on the wing is it you know f-16 on each side, you know, just escorting this plane we would land at these remote bases and you know, just escorting this plane. We would land at these remote bases and, you know, just like really near Iran, you know, like we would go in and it was all, I mean, just it was so close. And anyway, some of the border issues and I remember looking at the meme and it said, Iran wants war with us. Look how close they put their country to our military bases. And that's true. we just have it you know this has been this has been in the works for a very very long time it seems like if you even watch the movie that

Oliver Stone did on George W Bush with Dick Cheney's character you know he goes and looks at the map and it's everything they're talking about the seven countries in five years and all that the the neocon fever dream, it always ends with Iran. So that is there, and Iran is not in the region, whatever they call it, the leading state sponsor of terror, or whatever that means, and so it's just ridiculous. It hasn't invaded anybody.

Sure, it's got an aggressive, you know, there is terrorism, all that stuff, but it's just, I mean, look at what we do over there. I mean, just upending civilizations and toppling governments. How did Iran become an Islamic radical government? That's right. Operation Ajak. Operation Ajak. It was Shahz. It was Mosaddegh.

And you look at, you remember Netanyahu going to the UN with his ACME, Wiley Coyote bomb thing in the back. Oh, I just had the little thing. It was like, yeah, I think Netanyahu needs to relearn what the word imminent means. I mean, I guess on a long enough timeline, because he's telling me in 93 that, you know, it's imminent that Iran gets the bomb. Well, it's you know it's a 80 year old technology at this point. I mean it's an old tech. How do you you know stop nuclear proliferation at this point?

It's an old technology and I guess you know yeah that's it's it's inevitable. But what does that mean for us? Nobody ever really asked that. So if Iran gets the bomb, so what? The lesson learned about all of this, and I guess I'm deviating into foreign policy, the lesson learned that we teach nations is that no nation that's ever possessed nuclear weapons has ever been invaded. So when you don't have a nuke, that's the race. Instead of setting the conditions for peace, we topple governments and nations that don't possess nuclear weapons. So the race is always to produce another

horrible weapon to ensure mutually assured destruction. Well, everything the US government does is about perverse incentives, isn't it? Pretty much. It's whether you're talking about domestic policy or economic policy or you're talking about geopolitics, it's all perverse incentives. You're right. We incentivize people to do that. And when you look at the ridiculous claims that Netanyahu's been making over decades, it's kind of like the climate change predictions, right?

Well, the world's going know, because of climate change. He's kind of like the, is to Iran like Al Gore is to climate change. Well, the major networks and because of the military industrial complex and, you know, AIPAC and all of that, nobody ever asked the question, why is it a mortal threat? Why is it an existential crisis that if Iran has any kind of weapon, what does that matter to us? What does it have to do with American national security? It doesn't. So then you have to ask yourself, who does it threaten? Well, it threatens Israel. And that's where we're back to that. And the insane times in which we live in this, you know, there's really, you you know you and I are talking before the elections like what's the best outcome here you know a

Harris win you get X you get you know I think more draconian moves against crypto and other things and I think gold would have been probably higher today had Harris win we'd have a different market but we'd be seeing probably a you know a lead into a conflict with Russia. It's exactly what you've been saying. And then this is the reverse ticket, but we might get war with everybody because we're hitting the dominoes fall very quickly. If you know anything about diplomacy and history, you read the Guns of August by Barbara Tuchman

about the lead up to World War I, and they literally couldn't stop the war. It's one of the things that Kennedy was reading during the Cuban missile crisis. He was reading Barbara Tuckman, and he decided to try to stop the dominoes, and nobody really, and that's, you know, he did that back channel communique with Khrushchev to replace the missiles in Turkey with the missiles in Cuba and we just don't have that type of that type of mindset now so that's that's terrifying who's who in the White House is gonna stop the war they don't I don't know if they know what they're doing if at this point like if they're gonna be just pushing all these buttons and especially with the you should be an alarm bell in the night the Ted that this tariff policy so-called liberation day

I mean, how do you announce something that's supposed to be remembered as one of the greatest days in American history and then delay it? That's right. Yeah. Oh, yeah, it's just absolute nonsense. You know, you talk about Kicking off a war starting it and then you know now we can't stop it We can't get it back. And of course, we've seen that economically with inflation how many times as You know The government is the causes the inflation when printing money and everything, how many times have they done that and then they can't pull that thing back in. You know they push Humpty Dumpty off the wall and then all the

King's men can't figure out how to put them together again. And so yeah we see this over and over again with the policies that they do, whether it's inflation or whether it's war, these other things they create these problems, they break stuff. Government is very good at breaking things, it's very poor at fixing them afterwards. And so this whole thing, when I had a guy from the Mises Institute earlier this week, and we talked about one of his books that he had for children was The Broken Window, talking about the broken window fallacy. And when I look at all this cheering about Trump and the

tariffs and all the rest of stuff, to me that's basically just the broken window fallacy. We're going to break all this stuff and it's going to be great because then we're going to build it back, you know, build it back better. And it's just, I don't know, people should be very concerned about what is being pushed. And I really do think that it is intentional chaos designed to break things and bust it. And they pull in one guy who takes one approach to it and they pull another guy takes a different approach. But the end game for both of them is to break everything. I think that's the bottom line. Well tell us again you've been really busy with the we had gold go temporarily on sale this uh, this last, uh, last couple of days.

And it's been, uh, a lot of, uh, economic activity. Tell us a little bit about why is Wolf Gold what's happening there. Oh, we're just continuing to supply our members at Wolfpack and all our direct sales and try to get orders out as fast as I can. Um, that's always top priority. And you know, I guess the upside to watching the current leadership on the economy is that I redouble my efforts, rededicate my efforts for discipline and not being all over the place, you know, actually making good sound fiscal decisions,

cutting out waste, things like that, staying lean and you know to weather market uncertainty, not getting over leveraged. So I'm learning, I guess at some level like this is good for me, this is a great lesson. This is not what not to do, so I'm going to not do what the so-called leaders are doing right now and so we're going to be around, you know, God willing, I'll be here next year. So just taking good care of our customers. We got lots of great deals over on on wolf pack Started that Sigma wolf program at 750. I know I can afford 750 a month But you can also do one-time purchases all the way across the board some $50 a month all the way up to 5,000 That's just on wolf pack

Have wise wolf Bitcoin in place. We can take your orders on that if you want to set up a Bitcoin wallet or buy Bitcoin or use Bitcoin to buy gold and silver with the only broker in America that's no fee. I treat Bitcoin as cash. Nobody does that. So we've made a lot of good moves in the last six months. Sometimes I forget how much we've actually done because it doesn't seem like that seems like I'm on a hamster wheel but we have done a lot so I'm really proud of my crew and and I don't know how you do it with all the fluctuations and price that we see and all that kind of stuff I mean you know I was just talking earlier about a guy has a tattooed needle supply business and

how difficult is gonna be for him with the all of a sudden boom get hit with a 104 percent tariff you know this kind and that's it it's such a challenging environment for people whatever kind of business that they're in because you never know what's going to happen to the supply chain you never know what's going to happen to prices and constantly in the state of flux I mean that's what's so damaging about all this stuff is the chaos and the flux that Trump is doing and that's why I say it's what's so damaging about all this stuff is the chaos and the flux that Trump is doing. And that's why I say it's intentional.

A lot of people look at it and say, I think he's intentionally trying to put us into a recession so he can get pressure on the Fed to lower the interest rates. And that's genius. It's like, no, it's not. It's criminal. It's criminal. But the end does not justify the means. Just because you want to lower interest rates does not justify you putting people out of business and harming people individually like this. And so, you

know, my hat's off to you. I know you've got a very difficult thing to do to try, all small businesses do, try to stay in business with what is happening. And of course, provides challenges for all of us. That's why I say I want to try to get out of this chaos market. You know, if one of the things you can do to get away from chaos is gold, he's going to have an effect on gold, but not as much as most other assets that you could have out there, right? So part of it is to have some stability this there. But again, it's very important to, regardless of what happens with these crazy and rigged financial markets, it's important to have gold there to get out of the system, to maintain

your privacy because the privacy is priceless. And I can tell you as someone who has been canceled and financially banned, canceled on social media and stuff like that, to have PayPal and Venmo and others shut us down and say you can't do business. I know what that's like and I know that's coming. That's their design for everybody. That's why I'm looking at gold. I don't really care about, I do care about the price, but I don't care about the price compared to that.

You can't put a price tag on that being outside of their system where they can destroy you. Yeah. Well, I would just add before we close, I think there is some upside to the price increasing. It increases the infrastructure of gold production, the ubiquity of coinage and other things that and the access because it incentivizes the market to get those out there. And it helps us be outside of the system. It helps the supply chain for gold because the mining sector and other things.

It's the decline of fiat currency worldwide and pouring into monetary metals like gold is a good thing and I think will serve to create that infrastructure that's outside of the financial system. You can hold physical metals. I think that's an upside here too. That's right. Well, you got a program that immediately follows ours. Is that on for today?

That's on for today. You can go to my ex at Tony Arterburn or the America unplugged channel over on rumble and it's the Arterburn radio transmission. We'll, we'll have a an interesting conversation based on today's headlines. Good. We need to get you on kick. Good. Yeah, that'd be good. So, I could just kind of hand it off there.

Travis is telling me that you just kind of hand off one program to the other one if you're on kick. Okay. But that's great. Well, thank you so much, Tony. Thank you for your support of this program. And folks, look, just keep your options open. And understand that the finances are always important, but it's also important to have some prepping to be outside of this rigged system, and they

could be rigging it to go down, and that certainly is a possibility. Thank you so much, Tony. Thank you for joining us. Thank you, David. Have a good day, and people check out his Arturman Unplugged right after this show. We'll be right back.