The David Knight Show - INTERVIEW: 3rd Party Candidate on Fixing Elections by Transparency

Episode Date: November 1, 2022

Jeff Maurer, candidate for Secretary of State (MaurerForIndiana.com), on voting problems and how the Secretary of State office can fix election integrity with transparency and specific reforms. Who better to referee Democrat & Republican fights than a neutral 3rd party?Find out more about the show and where you can watch it at TheDavidKnightShow.comIf you would like to support the show and our family please consider subscribing monthly here: SubscribeStar https://www.subscribestar.com/the-david-knight-show Or you can send a donation throughZelle: @[e-mail] App at:  $davidknightshowBTC to:  bc1qkuec29hkuye4xse9unh7nptvu3y9qmv24vanh7Mail: David Knight POB 994 Kodak, TN 37764Money is only what YOU hold: Go to DavidKnight.gold for great deals on physical gold/silverBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-david-knight-show--2653468/support.

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Main market excluding specials and place bets. Terms apply. Bet responsibly. 18plusgamblingcare.ie Joining us now is Jeff Moore. I had to ask him how to pronounce his last name because I wasn't sure. It's spelled M-A-U-R-E-R, but he pronounces it Moore. He's running for Indiana Secretary of state as a libertarian candidate. His website is more for Indiana and he spells out the four F-O-R.

And again, his name is M-A-U-R-E-R. So it's more for indiana.com. And I want to talk to him about the office of secretary of state. Thanks for joining us, Jeff. David. Good morning. Good to be with you.

Thank you for having me. Well, thank you. And you know, it is this, I've seen both Republicans and Democrats say, we got to focus on the secretary of state races because these other people get in,

they're going to manipulate the election and they're going to change the rules of the election and all this other kind of stuff. What, what is it that a secretary of state can do in terms of the election and other things? What is the office powers and authority? Sure. So the secretary of state is the chief elections officer in Indiana. And it's important to remember that this is the third highest constitutional office per our constitution of 1853. So by our constitution, by order of succession, it goes governor, lieutenant governor, and then secretary of state.

This is an important office, and the title tells us a lot about it. It says secretary, which means this has historically been a very administrative or bureaucratic office. There are four major divisions of it, but only until more recently when we look at our elections and how they're failing us has it become such a contentious and policy-driven office. And we can look at our elections by saying that a good election is one in which the loser accepts the results, not because they like the outcome, but because they trust the process and in 2016 and 2020 we had the losers calling the winners as if they had stolen or cheated or rigged the election we heard those like that language and it wasn't one party both times it was both parties yes so it tells us that this is not a partisan issue this is a process. Our elections are failing us and we need to do better. So imagine early days of automobile racing and the cars got faster and faster and the finishes got closer and closer. The technology needed to evolve to take better and better photos down to

a hundredths or thousandths of a second to capture that result more precisely. And that's the same pressure, the technological pressure that we're feeling on our elections, to understand how to capture them and judge them more fairly, more transparently, and more accurately, so that way we all have confidence in the results and the outcomes. Yeah, I know when I was looking at this in Texas, you had a guy, he was not the Secretary of State, it was an appointed office, not elected office that he was in. But he was with the election board. And he was sending out messages to all of the counties that were, you know, the people who were running the election, telling them, don't save the image of the electronic votes. He was telling them, get rid of them. And I mean, first of all, that's suspicious.

Secondly, it's against the Constitution. They were required under the Texas Constitution to have a backup copy of that. And you had people who were not satisfied that the election had been legitimate who said, well, we'd like to audit it. Sorry, we don't have the information. And so there is a lot to be suspicious about, I think. And as you point out, you know, we need to have better technology. We need to have some transparency. And quite frankly, I think when both the Republican and Democrats don't trust each other to this extent, and I've said this many times, you know, if you just have a, even in the debates, if they would open up the debates to all three parties, if they'd open up the debates to the people who are on the ballot, then they wouldn't be able to play this game of demonizing the other person because it would backfire on both of them.

And so there is a function here to be served by transparency and even by having essentially a neutral third party like you in there to take a look at the election. I think that would be a big win for everybody. So I think voters in Indiana ought to consider that. Well, thank. I think that would be a big win for everybody. So I think voters in Indiana ought to consider that. Well, thank you. And that's exactly right. I like to say that integrity never needs to hide. Let me repeat that. Integrity never needs to hide. So when you come across somebody in your personal life, your business life, your professional life, and they're concealing something from you, a weapon or a business dealing or a relationship, whatever that is. And you know that they're concealing

something, what does that do for your trust in them? That's why we need to be so forthcoming and so transparent, overtly transparent with our elections. So that way we all rebuild trust. That's why I'm focused on two common sense, well-known business practices of audits and receipts. Think about the last time you bought something and the seller refused to give you a receipt.

What are they hiding? Right? That would be strange. That would be very weird. If you go through a drive-through and sometimes they'll have something printed on there that says, if they fail to give you a receipt, or they have a sign, if they fail to give you a receipt, please call this number because the cash register guy is up receipts build trust because they document the transaction that we've just had and so why is it that we have

receipts even the irs gives us a receipt thank you for filing your taxes why is it that the one time we want a receipt to know that our voice has been heard and that our vote has been counted, we can't get one? That's right. And that's inclusive testing from an audit perspective. That's what we call inclusive testing to be able to prove that our input was included and counted. But what about the opposite of that, the exclusive testing to make sure that nobody voted when they should not have been voting? And for that, we need an audit. There's always going to be some new innovative scheme to find a way around or through the process. You build the game

and somebody's going to play it. That's why we need auditing because it's always going to be capturing those new innovations. We're always going to be capturing the new threat of fraud and intervention and interference in our elections. And companies do auditing as a regular course of business. If you work a cash drawer in any one of our millions of retail stores, you know that at the end of the day, somebody else counts your cash drawer. That's called dual control. It's a simple auditing procedure. And we can do that with our elections. Right now in Indiana, we have one organization that is in charge of certifying our machines and then auditing them or reviewing them on election day.

They're checking their own work. Even in grade school, when you finish your test, you pass it to the student next to you to grade it, trade and grade. We don't even do that. We don't even have that much common sense with our elections right now. And so I'm asking for those common sense inputs, these good practices that we know work from grade school and beyond. There are hundreds of publicly traded companies, and they release audited financial statements to Wall Street every quarter. There is an industry of professional auditors and accountants.

They can do this work. It's the will of the people for us to choose to demand it. And I think that really is the crux of the issue. You know, we have seen our government refuse to provide any answers for anything. I've seen that as a reporter. Every time I talk to it, it doesn't matter what they're doing. It doesn't matter how low down on the totem pole of the government they are. They all act as if they're in charge of national security secrets. I'm not telling you that because it's about protecting their job and about protecting their bureaucracy.

They don't want anybody to know anything about anything. And we've seen that with the FDA and Pfizer. No, we're going to cover up this stuff for 75 years. I've seen it in the past when we have tried to engage the so-called climate scientists who have produced papers that have been used to craft public policy and laws. And I said, you know, we sued them to try to get them to show us the data. They don't want to show the data. And so when these people are trying to hide all this stuff, that is a big smoking gun. But everything in the government is about that, you know, whether you're trying to audit the Fed or anything else.

And if we don't do something, especially, you know, about these things that were used to lock us down, imprison us, but also about the election. We're looking at what is going on right now in Brazil. And I think that it's now been a couple of days. Last I checked, Bolsonaro had not replied anything about this election. And you've got a lot of his supporters who are now blocking the roads. It's a very, very close election.

They don't believe that it was a legitimate election. Why? Because there's no transparency. And we're going to get into a situation where this could trigger a civil war if we're going to continue to play this type of game where we're going to provide all these opportunities to rig elections. And as you pointed out, you got the same company checking its work on the election. If people can't trust the election and we have a close election, we're

just a little ways away from a civil war if we can't solve that problem, aren't we? David, I'd like to touch on that. This is an important point. My Democrat opponent repeatedly accuses me of perpetuating the big lie and disinformation. And that is categorically wrong. She is fundamentally confused. I am running for this office on the basis of receipts and audits for transparency for all of us, because these are the tools that will give us all transparency and accountability so that we can dispel disinformation. We can dispel the big lie. We can deescalate a volatile and violent situation as we saw in January of 2020. We know where this ends if we don't get this right. That's why I need

to act now to deescalate and rebuild trust in our elections with audits and receipts. And I'll say this one other thing about hiding and secrecy. After that one organization, it's called VSTOP, the Voting Systems Technical Oversight Program. They're based at a Ball State University, which is a land-grant public university, and they're funded with Indiana state taxpayer dollars. It's a grant of about $4 to $5 million. And they, again, are in charge of doing the post-election review. They have completed that report for 2020, they say, but it is a secret. They have not shared it. No one I have ever met has ever seen it, read it, or can share it with me. So if they say that our elections are performing correctly and are great, and they've completed their report, why is it a secret? Why won't

they publish it? They work for us. Why is this public document, taxpayer-funded public report not available? That is a big secret, and that is the disinformation that we need to stop. That's amazing. Yeah, you know, they have a press pool organization that does all the exit polling for everybody everywhere, right? And we all see the results at the end of the election, all the different media companies that use that one single company all the way across the country, they will say, well, you know, we had this many men versus this many women. We had this many black versus white and this many income level versus that income level vote for candidate A or candidate

B. So we'll get all the demographic crosstabs, but what they won't tell you is how many people did we get in the exit poll in this jurisdiction or in this state, according to our exit polls, how many people voted for candidate a in total versus candidate B in total? Because the state department always looks at the exit polls and they say, if the exit polls differ by more than 5% from the reported amounts, that was a rigged election. And that's how they determined that there's a rigged election. We're not allowed to see that.

All that stuff is kept hidden from us. When you're talking about auditing the election and the election that we could trust, what specifically would you do? At LiveScoreBet, we love Cheltenham just as much as we love football. The excitement, the roar, and the chance to reward you. That's why every day of the festival,

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Terms apply. Bet responsibly. 18plusgamblingcare.ie Sure. So we need a few different dimensions to a true independent audit. First, we need an independent agency. We cannot have an internal organization that answers to the Secretary of State auditing their own work and then auditing their boss's work. So we need an outside agency like an accounting firm. And we've seen accounting firms tally up the votes, not always correctly, for the Oscar and for the Oscar winners on an Oscar night. So we know that

this can be done. We also need to have it done for all 92 counties. VSTOP has historically only audited five out of 92 counties. In 2020, they audited 5,000 out of more than 3 million votes. That's a very low sample rate. They choose, this is not a random audit. What has been done is not a random audit. They choose which counties, they choose which races, they choose which machines. You and I both know that if you've ever been subjected to a drug test at work, it's not the drug test that's a threat. It's the fact that it is a random drug test that you don't know when you will be tested. And I'm, I proudly serve in the Indiana Air National Guard and I'm subject to DOD random drug tests. That is a threat because it's a random test. So this needs to be a random audit and it needs to be of all 92 counties. It needs to be done by an outside agency. And this

is very important. It needs to be done before we certify the results. So currently, the report that we have takes months. In fact, two years later, no one's actually seen it yet. But we need to have this independent audit completed within 30 days. So that way, when the secretary of state as the chief elections officer goes to sign the dotted line and certify our elections and make them legally official and binding, that we have reviewed the audit and are confident in the results. Right now, we certify our election months before the audit. And that's just like signing a contract without ever reading it. Let me point out this other really alarming point. You talk about polls. This is good. We know as consumers, as voters, that a poll has a margin of error. It's a random sampling. There's sort of a math around it, right?

But we don't accept that for our audits or for the, quote, auditing that's being done now. There is one and only one sentence on the Secretary of State's website about the results of the 2020 post-election report. And that says, in each race examined, the results of the election were confirmed with a high degree of statistical assurance above 90 percent nine zero now without any other context because when we have a poll we have we they talk about the methodology how they sample what the air margin of error rate

is but without any of that context because they won't share it because it's a big secret without any of that context we have to conclude that they lost one out of every 10 votes and they are still calling that a great election. Now, David, I tell you this, if one out of every 10 planes fell out of the sky, we would ground everything and figure it out before humans ever took the air again. Why is it that we hold ourselves to a much higher standard for anything safety except when it comes to elections? Yeah, yeah, or vaccines. As I pointed out, you know, the Boeing 737 MAX, you know, he had two crashes out of 8,200 and they grounded him, and they were

right to do that. They'll take toddlers' cribs, they'll put, you know, stop them all. If one toddler gets killed, they'll force a recall. But if something like that happens with vaccines, they'll just say it's rare. But if it happens with the elections, they'll say, yeah, we got a 90% confidence rate in this. That's good enough. It's like horseshoes and nuclear weapons in elections. Now we can add a third one of that category, right? And 10% is more than enough to cover the spread. And even more recently, we had the shutdown of the baby formula industry,

right? There's a couple of large plants, and that was at a much lower statistical rate. So why is it that we accept this secrecy? Why is it that we accept this wild level of inaccuracy? And you mentioned another point about COVID shutdowns. There's not a lot of policy in the office of Secretary of State, but separate from elections in the business services division, which just licenses businesses, right? Hoosiers and entrepreneurs, you create businesses. I don't create businesses. You do. But the Secretary of State's office recognizes them into law so that you're protected under the law. And the key word there is protected. The Secretary of State is a constitutionally directly elected office. I do not answer to a governor. I do not

answer to a state party chairman. I answer to we the people. And during 2020, during the COVID lockdowns, our Republican governor turned to his Republican Secretary of State and demanded that she revoke the business licenses for businesses, primarily restaurants and bars and service organizations, that refuse to enforce the mask mandates, the governor's unconstitutional executive order mask mandates. And so, David, I've been very clear throughout my entire campaign. I pledged this before. I pledge it now. I will pledge it till my dying day. As Secretary of State, I will not revoke your business license. I will protect your business. I will protect your right to serve your customers, run your business, and feed your

family. I will protect that right against unconstitutional executive orders and mandates. I will follow the law. And so if the state legislature passes a bill and the governor signs it into law, I will enforce the law. I will uphold the state legislature passes a bill and the governor signs it into law, I will enforce the law. I will uphold the law, but I will not enforce unconstitutional executive order mandates that infringe upon your right to feed your family. Well, good for you. Good for you. I am so disappointed to see how this is typically not an issue. You know, you look at what has happened to us over the last two years, and why is this not an issue? What happened in 2020, it wasn't that big of an issue even running up to the election in the latter part of 2020.

And now what has happened over 2021 and the vaccine mandates and the rest of the stuff and the attacks on the businesses closing them down, it's a non-issue. And it's a non-issue because as I was complaining about it, I would always have people say, well, you know, it's just the Democrat governors. And I said, it's not the Democrat governors. This is happening in Republican states as well. And all of this, even what the Democrat governors is doing, is being funded by money from Trump. And he could stop that. That is always the weapon.

What else is on your radar in terms of running for Secretary of State? There's a couple of great issues. Sure. So those are the key ones. First and foremost is absolutely election integrity and security, audits and receipts. My background is in finance and business. I managed a $300 million budget. Much of my work was working with internal audit and implementing good accounting controls and audit controls. And I had my own VR tech company that I founded here in Indiana. So I know what it is to be a small business owner, a technology entrepreneur. I know what it is to be focused on payroll and customers and product and marketing. And the last thing I wanted to do was a stack of paperwork from the government.

So as Secretary of State, to serve small businesses and Hoosier entrepreneurs, my first job is to keep government out of your way. So that way you can run your business, serve your customer, create value. And there are four divisions to the office. The first is our elections division. Second is business licensure. And that's also nonprofits. It's not just for profit businesses, but also nonprofits. So we know that our, think about all the nonprofits that serve your community, to feed the hungry, to clothe the homeless, to shelter the poor. Think about how they operate. The Secretary of State's office is equally involved in making sure that they're licensed

as nonprofits and that they have the ability to organize and operate that way. So serving our communities through nonprofits as well. And then the third division is the auto dealer services division, which of course in government parlance means tax and regulate. And the office really does mostly just enforce state regulations for the auto dealers industry. And the fourth division is the securities division, which investigates financial crimes, primarily complex financial schemes like Ponzi schemes. Let me ask you about that, because we've had some people who have talked about using the office of secretary of state and some attorney, state attorneys general have said we're going to sue some of these companies that are so heavily focused on ESG because they have violated their fiduciary responsibility saying, you know, we're going to set up this company to make money. And so people invest in that company to make money and then they get a different agenda that's out

there. Is that anything that would be the responsibility of Secretary of State? It's possible the Secretary of State's office could be involved in that. That's going to be more for the lawyers and the courts to adjudicate. But the Secretary of State's office could be involved in that. That's going to be more for the lawyers and the courts to adjudicate. But the Secretary of State's office is the keeper of the paperwork. So when you file to form a corporation with a purpose and a goal, that document is the original reason for incorporation. There's articles of incorporation. And the mission and values of the company can be included in that.

Sometimes they can come later. But either way, and this is in many ways how the Secretary of State's office assists in these types of crimes. These are more overt crimes. So somebody selling shares to a fraudulent company or fraudulently selling shares to a company they don't own or can't sell it to. So understanding ownership, understanding the legal structure of organizations, that's very much what the Secretary of State's office does. And I should point out that there was some news recently this past week that my Republican opponent, who prides himself on being a businessman without anybody really understanding what business he's in, has let his corporate filings lapse. So he is now doing, or at least

was doing business illegally with an expired corporate structure. And not for nothing, we have to be, we live in a glass house, right? We have to do better. We have to be better. We have to be the example. And this is one of the many reasons why I'm running, because I just don't accept this poor performance, the do as I say, not as I do, a hypocrisy of our elected officials. And one of the things, David, I'm really proud of in this campaign, if you look at any one of my pieces of campaign literature, you can see that not only is there a website and email address on there, but there's a phone number. You can call or text me and it reaches the phone that I keep in my

pocket. It's 317-721-6438. And so I'm asking you to hold me accountable. I'm asking to make it easy for you to contact me and disagree with me all you want. But either way, I am here to serve you, whether I agree with you or not, and being accessible and accountable to you, that's what I expect from my government. That's why I'm running for office, to show that it can and must be done. Well, I got to say, Jeff, you are an excellent candidate. We have, for the most part, I tell people you got to get involved with the primaries, you know, because that's where you have an opportunity to find somebody who is outside of the system. And unfortunately, so many times we have in third parties, we have people who are just on there as paper candidates, people just putting their name up or whatever as a placeholder.

That clearly is not the case with you. You have a very important understanding of the powerful effect that the Secretary of State office could have in terms of bringing transparency and honesty to our corrupt institutions. This is the thing that everybody is seeing, that the corruption in all these institutions, this is what is pushing us into this conflict, this fourth turning where people reevaluate the institutions. And what is desperately needed to prevent this societal breakdown is transparency and honesty so people have confidence in what is happening. And it has to be real. It can't be a con game. We don't want a confidence game. We want actual confidence in it. And you've thought this through.

And so I'm really happy to have you on here because I think it's important for people to understand that even at this late level and the local level, to identify candidates like Jeff Moore, who has thought this through and has real practical solutions for what this country needs right now. You really do, Jeff. You've done a great job in terms of scoping out what needs to be done, offering some real tangible solutions and an alternative to some career politicians who just are running for office. It's amazing. Thank you. Thank you. And that's exactly right.

The Republicans have held this office of Secretary of State for the last 28 years. And the last time that a non-Democrat and non-Republican held the office was a member of the Whig Party back before the Civil War. So it's been 173 years. Well, it's time we can flip the wig right now. If you have any shadow of a doubt of dislike or distrust in our elections, and I ask you this question, show me your vote or show your vote to yourself. Can you point to your vote and say, there it is, my voice has been heard, my vote has been counted. And until you can do that, we are going to consistently repeat the problems of 2020. That's why I'm running. That's why this is important. And even separate from a winning

office because of our state laws and ballot access laws, as with 10% or more of the vote on a week from today, the Libertarian Party can gain primary ballot access. And there's a long conversation about what exactly that means, but the short of it is, imagine the center of power in Indiana as a two-legged stool, Republicans, primarily Republicans as a supermajority, and Democrats. With primary ballot access, the Libertarian Party will be a third leg to that stool. The stool will right itself onto a third leg. that center and balance of power will shift and as a third party libertarians will be able to hold both democrats and republicans accountable to you the voter i agree yeah and that's true in the in the debates did you have um

any libertarians included in any debates i i imagine the answer that is no no we did actually i said there were two public debates for the two top-of-ticket races, the U.S. Senate race and the Secretary of State's race. And I was proud to be represented in that debate. Unfortunately, my Republican opponent has shied away or refused to appear in countless forums, town halls, debates, and even media interviews throughout this entire election cycle. He's hiding. And you know what we say when somebody's hiding, they're concealing their true self. And we know that integrity never needs to hide. So the debate for the Secretary of State's race was me, the libertarian

candidate, and my Democratic candidate. And that was hosted by the League of Women Voters, which is officially a nonpartisan nonprofit organization and our local NPR public station, WFYI. That video is an hour long. It's public. You should go see it online. And you can see everywhere I've been, including other town halls and other forums and other public appearances. And that is all on my Facebook and social media. So not only can you see where I've been and what I've said, but you can see where I will be. And this is fundamentally different from my other opponents, which is hold me accountable. You can call, you can email, you can show up to where I will be and you can come speak to my face and we can talk face to face about what is important to you and where we agree or disagree. Well, thank you for doing this, Jeff.

I really do appreciate it. And certainly it's great for the people of Indiana to have an alternative that is not politics as usual. And I've always said if you want to look at how the elections are corrupted, it begins at the very beginning with ballot access. And then it usually goes to the debate. And even if you've got an organization that wants to have a debate, I know that, you know, if you're in a strong Republican district, or, you know, it would be reversed if it's a Democrat, but whoever the incumbent is, if they're in a strong position, they're going to avoid the debate. And so there's no requirement for them to debate,

but usually they don't allow all the candidates even to have the option if they made it onto the ballot. But as I've stressed with people over and over again, when they talk about what happened in 2020, I said, not only did they, you know, create the mail out of the ballots in a very sloppy way and count them in a sloppy way, but it began with whoever, who was on the ballot. That's when it really begins. And so that's an important thing.

You're serving an important purpose there. If you get 10% of the boat vote, you can keep that option open. But even more importantly, it's not just about having ballot access. You've got some real important ideas that need to be heard, need to be embraced in other states and other races. And thank you for running. You've done a great job. Tell people real quickly. You mentioned a

little bit about your background. Go a little bit more into your history and your experience. I know you're a small businessman as well as a national guardsman. Tell us a little bit about yourself. Sure. So I'm originally from a small town called New York City where the saying, you can't fight City Hall was literally invented there. And after working, being taxed and being told what to do, in the words of Popeye, I stand all I can, I can't stand no more. And it was time to leave. So a decade ago, I moved to Indiana. I am a Hoosier by choice, and I am proud to be here. And I moved here because of the economic opportunities as a entrepreneur, as a small business owner. And that's really what brought me here. So my background in technology

and finance allows me to see the problem and see how we can solve it with new processes, new protocols, and just good common sense business practices. David, at the end of the day, when we count our votes, the way we count cash, we're going to finally get the elections that we deserve. And that message is heard and understood by every Hoosier I've met. Let me ask you before we end the interview. I've said for the longest time that I just want to see paper ballots and people watching them by hand. How do you feel about that? I've said, you know, look, we know that when the Defense Department was trying to hold

an election in Iran, what they did was they had it on one day and they had, if you voted, you got your thumb painted purple. I mean, low tech like that, you know, and because we have issues where we've seen on a regular basis at DEFCON and the Black Hat Conference in Las Vegas, they have replicas of state boards of elections websites that have been hacked by, you know, 11-year-old girl was the one who did it the fastest. They had a whole bunch of kids doing it. We know and we've seen this for years, how easy it is to put a piece of software onto a computer. If you've got physical access to it, if you've got internet access to it, you can put something in there that's going to alter the votes and then erase itself. So I'm very concerned about machines at any level.

How do you feel about that and about paper ballots in terms of how that goes into the audit in terms of that? You've talked about the bigger picture, how we have a division of things so that you don't have people checking their own work. But what do you think down at the lower level detail? Sure. And so this goes down a rabbit hole a little bit. I'm very happy to go here. The receipt that I want for you is a three-way triangulated receipt. And a triangulated anything is going to be stronger. Think about your GPS signal, which is just three triangulated clocks in outer space. So the triangulated receipt that I want for you is a three-part receipt.

The first is the electronic tabulation, and that's the electronic voting machine. It's either the ballot scanner or the electronic or the DRE, direct record equipment, the digital voting machine itself. We need that for election night tabulations. Americans, for better or worse, and probably for worse, we've become habituated to instantaneous results and instantaneous gratification on election night. We need to have... That's true. So we need to be able to tabulate immediately. And if we don't, we know the consequence. Then

suddenly three days later, somebody says, oh, a box of ballots appeared here, a box of ballots disappeared from there. We need to have the instantaneous tabulation so i'm not getting rid of that but it sure as heck needs to be backed up with paper and so in indiana right now 60 the majority six zero percent of all votes cast have no paper whatsoever that is unconscionable and inexcusable and there is a law passed that is now funded and forcing a receipt at least least, for all votes mandated for 2024. So we won't see that yet in this election, but it is mandated by law, theoretically, for 2024. So the second receipt that I want is a printed receipt for the government, for the county clerk or the secretary of state, but it's a government copy. And if we think back to the 2000 election

in Florida, it's going to be the hanging chad or the dimpled chad or the pregnant chad, but some government copy. And remember, when we're auditing or doing a recount, we have to compare two things. Otherwise, it's not a recount. It's just asking the computer, hey, computer, do you remember that number you gave me before? Tell me again. That's not a recount. That's not an audit. So we need two things to compare to, and this paper receipt will be the government's copy. But that's still not good enough. That's only two receipts. And that still leaves you and me vulnerable because we're at the mercy of our government to do the right thing and to do it correctly. And as we've seen time and

again, even by law, they run out of time. They just stop recounting when the clock is up. That's not good enough. So what I'm calling for is a third receipt, a triangulated receipt. I'm the only candidate on the Hoosier ballot that wants you to leave the voting booth with a printed piece of paper that you take home. You go online and you can track your vote just like a package. It will have a secure ballot number. It will have a secure unique code. So like a two-factor authentication code on your cell phone when you're trying to log into a website, something like that. It will not have your personal information. It will not have your voter ID. It will not have who you voted for. But you will be able to track your vote through it being

received, counted, and then audited. And that will give you the confidence to know that your voice has been heard, that your vote has been counted, and that you and I can hold our government countable to show us, to prove to us that our votes are counted. Now, you got your ballot number there, but it doesn't show who you voted for. How do you know that that is? Because some people have talked about putting something on a blockchain, which would allow you to see that. So how do you know how your vote was counted? In that case, you would not. And I think this is very much up for a future evolution of it. I want to hear from Hoosier voters about what they want. I think a lot of people are still very uncertain

about seeing their name associated with their vote. And fun fact, in Indiana, we have 28 days of early voting, and we have what's called a dead voter law, which is good intentions. It says that if you die before election day, your vote is to be canceled. And so right there in black and white, in the 2022 Indiana Election Administrators Manual, PDF page 180, or document page 170, there's a section there called death of absentee voter. And in black and white, in the instructions from the secretary of state to all the county clerks and election administrators the instructor it says that all early votes cast 28 days of early votes are recorded with a unique identifier number so that if you die we can the county clerk not can but shall go and find your name look up your ballot and cancel or delete it and remember that with majority, 60% of all votes cast on electronic machines with no paper backup whatsoever,

that means that by law, the county clerk can and shall go in or have the right to just delete votes. What we don't know is where is all this electronic information stored? Is it locally? Is it networked? Who has access to it? Is it just the county clerk? Are there other people? And perhaps even most importantly, what audit trail is created?

How do we know that it was only one vote that was deleted and not 10,000? And these are, nope, it's a black and white. We should ask these questions and a good comprehensive risk limiting audit will start to address these. This is why we need to understand these processes and protocols. As another example about physical security, just a couple of weeks ago, there was some

very troubling security camera footage from the St. Joseph County, which is South Bend, Indiana. The Democrat-elected county clerk there was seen on video, and you can see this for yourself online. She was seen entering a secure ballot room which has dual partisan locks on it. There's a Democrat key and a Republican key. The room can only be accessed with both parties represented there.

And she's seen on video entering the room by herself, exiting the room by herself, exiting with a bag of papers that you can then see her putting in the trash. Wow. Wow. Wow. This is not fiction. You need to have a libertarian key on there. And that's what you would be. You would be the libertarian key on that door.

I would love to see it. And again, just like a coffee shop around the corner, it's a good accounting control to make sure that customers don't go behind the counter and start touching the cash register. That would be strange, right? Why do we allow that with our votes? If we can count our votes or treat our votes like we treat cash, we wouldn't just leave a pile of cash sitting out on a table in a room that's unlocked overnight.

Why do we accept that for our votes? Yes, exactly. And for the machines themselves as well. You know, when you started talking about, I thought where you're going with that dead voter thing. Back in the 2012 election, a good friend of my brother-in-law's back in North Carolina went to vote. And, of course, in North Carolina, there is no voter ID, no picture ID. You just go in and you tell them a name and an address and you're allowed to vote. And they had the longest voting period of any state, certainly at that time, maybe still. And so he went to vote on Election Day, gave him his name and address and said, you've you've already voted. So what? And this other person has voted as well. That's my mother. She's been dead for years. Uh, so, you know, they don't purge the rolls and, uh, validate ID. I mean,

that's, that's, and of course he did not make an issue of that. He did not go to the press and talk about, he didn't want to talk to me about it even, uh didn't want to become personally involved in it. But that's the reality of what's happening. That's why it is so important for us to have trust in our elections. We need to have transparency in our elections. And you really have thought through this, Jeff. Thank you so much. David, you'll have to indulge me one more minute to talk about voter rolls. This is really key. So for everybody listening, please know that we have to act now to clean up our voter rolls. So for publicly traded companies,

you have shares that you can vote. And it doesn't make sense if you're allowed to vote for a company that you don't have an ownership stake in. And if we think of the United States of America and our government as an ownership, it's an employee- or customer owned organization, right? We the people own it and control it, or at least we're supposed to. Then we have fractional

shares to vote and control it. And our voter lists are how we do this. And we are handicapped. Our hands are tied by federal law, the 2002 HAVA Help America Vote Act, which really punishes states and limits how we can maintain and clean our voter roll. And if you have an email marketing list that you've used for your business or your church or your nonprofit, you know that people come off the list all the time. It's a matter of good hygiene to keep that list current, but federal law prohibits us from doing that. However, as Indiana Secretary of State, there are three things that I want to do to help clean that up, even working within the federal limitations. Number one, our state level taxing authority

is the Department of Revenue, the Indiana DOR. And every year, if you have some relationship with Indiana, you are probably filing a tax return. And that tax return is surely going to have your correct, most current state address in it. Now, you might not be registered to vote here, you might own a property here and one of many properties around the world. But either way, it gives us an address in Indiana to compare to. And if that address doesn't match your registered voting address, it doesn't mean that we cancel your registration. It just means that we initiate a process to reconcile, right? We found a difference. Now we know we need to ask a question. And that's the process that we need. So the first set of data is we look at the Indiana Department of Revenue, our state taxing authority, and compare the taxing

address with the voter registration address. That's all within state. There's nothing stopping us from doing that except for leadership from the state level. Number two, we should look at the United States Postal Service. They have what's called an NCOA, the National Change of Address. So anytime you change addresses, the United States government tracks that and they have your forwarding address. And we can use that to compare to your voter registration address. That's the second database. And the third one is a set of commercial databases.

If you have ever moved and suddenly at your new home, you get all those ads in the mail, you know, Lowe's and Home Depot and your local barbershop and your local pizza place. They know you've moved. Why is it that the commercial industry knows that you moved, but the Secretary of State doesn't know that you should have registered somewhere else? So there are commercial databases that we can use and, again, compare to to identify differences and then initiate a process to reconcile and understand what's happened. That's because they don't want to see any evil, hear any evil. That's why they don't know that you've moved. You really have done the work on this, and it is really important.

And this is something, as we can see, is central to both Democrats and Republicans. And when we come back, we're going to take a look at what's going on in Brazil right now. They are teetering on the edge, and everybody's wondering what is going to happen. Is it going to come to blows over this election? And that's the type of thing. If we continue to go down this path of sloppy elections and no audits and no transparency, we're going to be in that same spot because people are looking at it from both sides now. And the best thing we could do, I think, is to have an independent third party, literally, that is involved in there to look at this because it's the two parties that are

entrenched that are fighting over their entrenched interests. And a third party does not have it. Jeff, you've done a great job. Again, Jeff Moore, M-A-U-R-E-R, if you're in Indiana, the Indiana Secretary of State. Anybody who's not in Indiana, you could certainly learn a lot from Jeff in terms of what is going on with elections and what we need to do to make this work more honestly. You can find him at Maurer4Indiana,

that's M-A-U-R-E-R-F-O-R-Indiana.com. Thank you very much, Jeff. I appreciate what you're doing. David, thank you so much. And thank you for allowing me to go over time here. This is a real privilege to talk about these issues. And I'm grateful for you bringing them to everyone's attention. Not at all.

And good luck. And we'll be watching. I hope you get some good results there. You certainly do deserve it. And I'm glad to give you some time there. I wish I'd known about it sooner. I would have had you on a couple of times. But at least we got another week to go.

So best of luck to you. For the good of the people of Indiana, I wish you good luck. Thank you. Thank you, David. Thank you, David. The common man. They created common core to dumb down our children. They created common past to track and control us. Their commons project to make sure the commoners own nothing.

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