The David Knight Show - INTERVIEW A Very Convenient Warming

Episode Date: October 15, 2024

 …or how I stopped worrying and learned to love the CO2 One group got it right about hurricane Milton — and it wasn't the climate alarmists.Gregory Wrightstone, geologist with 35 years experience and the author of Amazon best seller, "A Very Convenient Warming" Debunking the fear, junk science & alarmism about CO2 — it's a GOOD thingMore resources can be found at CO2Coalition.org and for teaching children, books and resources at CO2LearningCenter.com If you would like to support the show and our family please consider subscribing monthly here: SubscribeStar https://www.subscribestar.com/the-david-knight-showOr you can send a donation throughMail: David Knight POB 994 Kodak, TN 37764Zelle: @[e-mail] App at: $davidknightshowBTC to: bc1qkuec29hkuye4xse9unh7nptvu3y9qmv24vanh7Money should have intrinsic value AND transactional privacy: Go to DavidKnight.gold for great deals on physical gold/silverFor 10% off Gerald Celente's prescient Trends Journal, go to TrendsJournal.com and enter the code KNIGHTBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-david-knight-show--2653468/support.

Gregory Wrightstone, and he is a very experienced person in terms of science, actual science. Talking about climate change, he is a geologist with more than 35 years of experience researching and studying various aspects of the Earth's processes. He was recently accepted as an expert reviewer for the UN IPCC, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. And I'll have to ask him about that. Maybe he is somebody kind of like Scott Atlas on the COVID team, the lone dissenter. But his science and fact-based approach exposes many of the alarmist myths concerning our changing climate, Gregory is a strong proponent of the scientific process and believes that policy decisions should be driven by science, by facts, by data, not by a political agenda. The book that he has published is A Very Convenient Warming,

How Modest Warming and More CO2 Are Benefiting Humanity. Great to have you on. Thank you for joining us, Gregory Wrightstone. Thank you so much david yeah actually for the new book uh my my birthday was last week and i woke up on the on my birthday and went to the computer and lo and behold that a very convenient warming my my newest book was at number one best seller on amazon wow what a birthday gift i couldn't have asked for anything better. That's great. Yeah, my first book was a regular there. So we're trying to get the word out. I'm also executive director of the CO2 Coalition, which is the preeminent scientific organization of skeptical scientists. We have physicists, I'm a geologist uh energy experts and the like and and they all

believe as i do is that co2 is beneficial by a lot it's usually beneficial uh and there is no climate crisis and we should celebrate uh how earth's ecosystems are thriving and prospering well i agree 100 with that and uh yeah this stuff about carbon sequestration is just the most astounding thing i have ever seen but again that website is co2 coalition.org and we'll talk a little bit more about that as well but uh what we're seeing in the news and you've experienced a little bit of this as well uh they have all seized upon these hurricanes as climate change tell us a little bit about what you've been going through there in florida you're in florida well i i've been pointing out i use

science facts and data to support my my uh stances and my narrative and it flies in the face of most of what you're hearing on the media mainstream media and. And in hurricanes, I've been tested. My beliefs that climate change isn't driving hurricanes have been tested in the last two weeks, but I still came through and I'm looking, I'm relying on my scientific work to dispute a man-made driven climate crisis. My home is at Apollo Beach, about 12 miles south of Tampa. And if you recall, a day and a half or two days before landfall, it was at a cat five. And man, my home was right in the crosshairs. And we looked, even some of the seasoned old salts in the area,

they looked at it and they said, man, we're bailing out. We've never left before. It looked bad. And because it was going to hit it. But our experts in CO2 coalition were saying no no no no no it's going to land as a category two maybe category three this is what's going to happen and they also predicted that there would be no instead of a storm surge at tampa they told me no we saw it at ann and when ann struck this would be about to be similar there will actually be a negative surge

in other words it would suck water out of the bay and that's exactly what they found so it made we bailed out we've been hit the week before by helene we escaped any flooding but the area around us was hit pretty hard our bookkeeper's home was was devastated we actually did a gofundme campaign for her and and raised thirty three thousand dollars in two days and what a blessing that was to her she says in my darkest time of my life you guys came through and i just you know you're you're you're being being you're brightening and making this so much more bearable so we can do one we can't we can't help everybody, but we helped her. But we made what seemed to be a reasonable decision,

instead of fleeing north, but to go southeast to the other side of the state. And we went to Vero Beach, a condo of a friend. And if you may recall, we couldn't have chosen a worse place to evacuate to in the united states or probably the world because this huge super storm cell at about 4 p.m came through our area it was giant it was gnarly and it was it was scary and the tornadoes hit and the tornado near us went right up along highway a1a if you're jimmy buffett fan you know highway a1a and it's uh yeah right up by two miles swath of that it actually hit the condo uh that was next the part of our building was next to us and it was

i was doing a live video interview with another host at the time and there's like alarms going off lightning lights flashing he said this is great i mean you'll never have another interview like that you know with his with his guest in the middle of being hit by a tornado and a hurricane but bear in mind those that tornado hit at 4 30. The landfall didn't occur until 830, four hours later. So this preceded that. But again, I took a look at our newsletter for the CO2 Coalition. Go to co2coalition.org to subscribe. You'll love it.

I give some more detail. We're having a newsletter go out today about my experience. We also have information i took a look at land falling hurricanes and that's the best measure if you want to look at long-term hurricane information land falling hurricanes for the united states are the best because we can take that confidently we know every single hurricane that's made landfall in the united states going back to at least 1850 and that's because they're so big you can't miss it and right we know it's made landfall we it's it's been recorded and so if we look at landfalling

hurricanes that we find in the united states there have been in decline i looked at florida landfalling hurricanes and they've also been in decline. So that's a pretty good metric. And the other thing they're saying is that hurricane intensity is increasing. That's not borne out by the evidence. If you look at the global accumulated cyclone energy that Ryan Maui and the NOAA do, that's basically an estimate of the intensity of the hurricanes, which translates to wind speed. And it's been pretty flat. You could probably argue there's been a slight decline, but there's definitely been not a

significant trend either up or down. In fact, Christopher Land C, and what a great name. He's a NOAA hurricane expert. Or at least he used to be. What a great name for a hurricane expert. Christopher Landsee is almost as good as a geologist with the last name of Wright Stone. Isn't it? That's right.

Yeah. So Christopher Lansing, one of his last, he left he he told the truth about hurricanes his last analysis said well you know maybe hurricane intensity is increasing by maybe one percent uh okay let me ask you david if you were standing on siesta key could you tell the difference between 102 and 103 miles per hour i don't think so and that's what so give me whatever okay let's say he's right you can't it's it's so little then it's meaningless yeah and can they measure that you know i mean it is but you see this panic everywhere in in the uh in the uk uh the express that's one person says well i maybe i slept through this. But the headlines, storm tracker map shows a path of Hurricane Kirk with a monster 75 mile an hour gales to batter Britain. And it is just filled with over the top bombastic alarmism.

It's horrific. The UK is bracing for this. It's going to be brutal, a shocking weather forecast sweeping in with widespread destruction. Just panic, panic, panic everywhere. And he says, well, I didn't even notice if it came. And that's what we're seeing. We're seeing that kind of hype. And they don't really, as you point out, a 1% difference.

Can they even measure that? As you said, you can't feel it. Can they really accurately measure that and record it? Comparing it to the types of measurements that they had a century ago. Were they accurate, even if they're accurate today today so we don't know that right yeah and it's all about creating a climate of fear yeah they have to create two words i'm going to use here fear and control they need to establish a climate of fear they need you and your your viewers to say oh oh no there's there's a climate catastrophe and it's our fault uh millions will die there's a climate crisis

we'll have crop failure pestilence and nasty population because of man-made global warming uh so they have to establish this climate of fear because their object is really what their proposals are is to control every aspect of your life that's right they want to control how much water comes out of your shower what kind of car you drive how you heat your home how cool you keep it in the summer and how hot you warm it in the winter uh then we could go on and on and on what you eat you know i mean all that i mean they're shutting down farms now the epa is going to start shutting down farms with us it is absolutely amazing and we understand that it's a that's what the real

purpose of all this stuff is and they have a lot of different things that they throw out there always with the same thing in mind that's why i refer to it as mcguffin it doesn't really matter what the thing is but it's about creating the fear so that you can bring in these controls and it's always the same controls that we want to bring in and those same people aren't they so proud that we support choice i'm i'm i i support choice well no they don't no i would like to choose what kind of car to drive i would like to choose what kind of dishwasher to drive i would like to choose what kind of dishwasher to buy i'd like to choose all those things and they don't want to give you that choice

do that it's it's fear and control fear and they want you why else would we voluntarily give up our freedoms yeah only if there's there truly is an existential threat to humanity, and it's just not there. And what we see, David, this new book, my first book was Inconvenient Facts. It's now sold almost 100,000 copies. In that book, we established pretty clearly that there is no climate crisis, but we've gone a step further in this new book and with the co2 coalition is not only is there not a climate crisis but by almost every metric we look at earth's ecosystems are thriving and prospering and humanity is benefiting from that yeah probably and this you have a christian show here and this really goes back to the heart of, you know, if we were going to have kill hundreds of millions of people, we should do something about it. But just the opposite is occurring.

What we're seeing are huge benefits to humanity and their solutions, particularly in the developing world in India, Asia, and Africa. They don't want to lift these people out of poverty by using affordable, abundant, reliable energy that can be derived from natural gas and coal. They want to keep them with their thumb down and don't let them prosper. And that's what they want to do to us as well. You've now got the EPA is focused now on shutting down power plants. And, of course, they've been shutting them down for a while now because oh well can't have coal or whatever but the epa has come after them now with a vengeance with their emissions and so forth uh and so as they shut down the grid uh and they need more power for the ai so they're going to put these small nuclear reactors out there but it's only going to be power for them they're going to shut

down affordable reliable energy for us and uh and that that really is the concern and that really is the agenda i think uh that is a control and impoverish and austerity uh that really is the way that they can control us is through poverty it is um and you you had two of the three words i used for electricity what we should look for. It's affordable, reliable and abundant. In other words, we can get a big bang for our buck. And that's what we get with nuclear as well, but nuclear, coal, natural gas. And again, since we are not going into a climate crisis that's driven by co2 but rather co2 is beneficial there's no way

we should be trying to do carbon capture or take the new carbon mitigation strategies we're actually be hurting ourselves and the other thing that's really interesting it's one of my pet uh the it's a section of the book is my one of my favorite things to talk about is the strong relationship between human history and climate history to find that it's completely opposite of what we're being told we're being told oh we can't we must fear the heat the heat will cause terrible things well look back over the last several thousand years to see what happened and find that no we in a warming trend, but it's been warming for more than 300 years. There were three other warming trends similar to what we're in right now, but all three were hotter, ended up warmer than what we are today. And all three were hugely

beneficial in improvements we saw to the human condition during each one of those warm periods. Life was good. Food was bountiful, the great empires and civilizations rose up. The first of those was the Bronze Age. It was called the Minoan warm period. The first great civilizations rose up, the Assyrians, the Hittites, the Babylonians, the Harappan Empire in the Indus River Valley. All those great civilizations around the world was up during a really, really warm time. And then it started getting cold. And really bad things happen in each one of the times when it started getting cold. And we see these cold periods are associated with famine, crop failure, pestilence, and

nasty population. And so, that led to the Greek Dark Ages. and it really didn't get good until we got into the Roman warm period, the time of Christ. At that time, again, food was bountiful, life was good. North Africa was the breadbasket, you may not be aware, of the Roman army. It's not much of a breadbasket today. So it then, when it started getting cold again, there were a lot of reasons for the Roman Empire's fall.

Cold was probably a contributing factor, and that led to what was called the Dark Ages. And then the Medieval War period was, again, life was good, empires arose, food was bountiful. And then that led to the recent cooling period called the Little Ice Age. It was probably the coldest time of the last 10,000 years. And it was, again, maybe 50% of Iceland perished during that time. One third of the population of the earth perished during that time.

And particularly Northern Europe, we have a lot of great records of just how terrible it was recall valley forge and george washington it was it was very cold for example not far from where i am right now is is mount vernon and george when they lived there during this little ice age that was really cool cold martha liked to enjoy ice in her drinks in the summer. So George built an ice house. They dug in and he would have his indentured servants and slaves go down in the winter. And it froze very, very thick ice every year. It doesn't do that.

I mean, I think in the 80s, there was one winter where it did that. So we can use historical data like that. People understand that. And they'll go, oh, yeah. If the Potomac River was freezing solid, nearly solid every winter, and it only happens once every 30 data to show how warm it was during the medieval warm time uh period the the roman uh warming period and and some much more but again history tell they would call me a science denier but i would call them history deniers because they're denying history shows conclusively that warm is much much better than cold so we should welcome the warmth

and fear the cold and of course it cycles through there and especially if you got a roman toga that those drafts can get really bad you know but uh yeah there's a reason they weren't togas there's a reason that were togas yeah washington uh got a caught a cold riding around and that was uh well i don't know if that was what killed him. It might have been the bleeding and the mercury that they gave him, but that brought it all on. Talk a little bit about what happens, you know, because part of what we're seeing now is we've had situations back in the middle of the 1800s. I forget the exact date when crack a toe happened they had a little mini ice age at that point in time as well uh because there was a lot of um uh debris that was sent up by the volcano on land uh some people have talked about and i forget where it was in the south pacific that

was recently like last year or two years ago or something yeah that's it. A water volcano, and that puts up water vapor. That has a warming effect. If it's a land volcano, that has a cooling effect. We have so many natural processes that have amazing and direct influence. We're talking about solar activity or we're talking about volcanic activity. Talk a little bit about that. It's not all man-made. What's happening, right?

Well, the increase in CO2 is man-made for the most part. The vast majority is from us using fossil fuels, but I'm okay with that. I'm okay with the large carbon footprint because what we're seeing is CO2 is beneficial. We have a paper that I'm finalizing right now. It's actually a lengthy 92-page summary, but it's highly detailed science. And we use seven different lines of evidence to verify and conclude that the increase in CO2 of 50% since the Industrial Revolution is for man. There are some people out there saying it's not, but we're emitting huge amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere. If you do that, it's got to increase atmospheric CO2. And so, you know,

we have that. And I started rambling on, I forgot the question, the original question you asked. Well, I was talking about natural processes in terms in terms of you know changing the climate and that type of thing there are there also there's some false things out there that are being spread one is that volcanoes provide huge amounts of co2 and there's one report that mount pinatubo when it went in when it erupted it put out more co2 and during the eruption there was man's every minute that's just categorically false because we know how much CO2 was emitted by man that year I think it was 1991. we also know pretty closely how much CO2 was put out by pentatubo and it turns out that that eruption put out two-tenths of uh of the percent of the CO2 emitted that year, of man's CO2.

So it's a small contribution. That gets a lot of play. They try and downplay our contribution to CO2. Well, what I was talking about was the ejection of material into the upper atmosphere, which would be a cooling thing. A lot of people think that volcanoes, there are two types of volcanoes. One's explosive. Think Mount St. Helens, Pinatubo.

The other type is called effusive volcanoes, which just kind of flows out. Think of Kilauea. We see that a lot. Some of the eruptions at Iceland, these are big, huge lava flows. And those tend to put out more co2 than the explosive volcanoes and some of these there were a couple two there were two huge uh lava flows that were effusive one was called the deccan traps the other was the siberian traps these these volcanoes flowed for millions of years and were emitting CO2 for millions of years and probably contribute a fair amount of CO2 to the atmosphere.

These explosive volcanoes do not. And also, the explosive volcanoes, it's not the solids. You think, well, it's going to block out the sun. It does for the few. That falls out pretty quickly yeah it's the sulfates the aerosols and the sulfates to get up into the stratosphere that lasts for three four or five years uh that has a cooling effect because what they're doing is the sun's reflecting off of those so it doesn't uh get to strike the earth they have that warming effect and then we talk about the undersea volcano

the one that you mentioned again i can't remember the name tonga tonga yeah okay well that one you know another uh greenhouse gas of course the the big one is water vapor and if that increases the water vapor by significant percentages it is not one that's going to also affect things uh my point is that when you have solar activity, when you have something that is going to massively increase greenhouse gases like water vapor, there's so many things that are natural out there, but they want to make it as everything is about man-made, right? Do you agree with that or do you disagree with that? Oh, yeah. Let's be clear. co2 co2 is a

greenhouse gas co2 is increasing so it has more co2 has a contribution has a warming effect on the atmosphere it's just very small very modest and overwhelmed by those natural forces so don't be a denier yes co2 has a warming effect, thankfully. But again, it's overwhelmed by these natural forces. And we've seen through time that CO2 increases and decreases do not control temperature. Just going back through Earth's history to the dawn of time, we don't see a correlation there. And so we have to look at the science effects and the data put it in a long perspective uh to figure that out and you know uh your the book uh your book title harkens back to uh al gore's documentary uh an inconvenient truth your book is a very convenient warming

and uh as as part of his um his documentary i guess we we could laughingly refer to it as, but as part of his film, let's just say, it played a very big role. I remember that he had the projections of what was going to happen to temperature driven and following exactly CO2. As you point out, CO2 is going up and down. But that direct correlation that was there, the hockey from michael mann as everybody talks about it he had that blown up into uh something that was about 30 feet tall and he gets on an elevated platform to go up to exaggerate that and um that really has michael mann's um uh correlation there of his hockey stick thing really hasn't uh played out has it well let's talk about al gore he used 800 000 or 400 000 years of co2 versus temperature well there is there is a really good correlation over the last several hundred thousand years but it's core it's it's not co2

driving temperature it's temperature driving co2 changes and because that's because the oceans are the great uh sink and source for co2 a cold ocean absorbs more co2 a warm ocean expels it just think about it's kind of contrary to to what you might say if you take a liter jar of ginger ale and take it out of the refrigerator and open it up, it just goes. But take that liter jar of ginger ale and put it out on your picnic table, on your patio, in the sun in August. Let it sit there for an hour and then go open it up. And man, it'll be like a volcano with that CO2 that's in the ginger ale that's being expelled because it's warm. And that's what we see.

Warming oceans expel CO2. And so it warms first and then CO2 increases. And it's delayed by hundreds of years. But if you compress it all, which Al Gore did, his interpretation was just backwards of what it should have been. It's not CO2 driving temperature. It's temperature driving CO driving temperature it's temperature driving co2 that's interesting yeah i was involved with a group that tried to get the data from michael man he fought like a banshee and was able to win in court and not show the data which had

already his conclusions had already been published he'd collected it he'd done the science at the university of virginia so he did it on the public dime, and he had published his conclusions, and they'd been used to create public policy, and yet we could not pry that data from him. And you have to wonder why. If he's got it, if it's real, why? He's a piece of work. He's a nasty, foolish person, and he's very litigious.

Yes, we have to be careful what we say about Michael Mann, because we know what he's a nasty person and he's very litigious yes we have to be careful what we say about michael man because we know i was quoting someone else there when i just called him that was a quote uh we know from like mark stein is the best he lost in court to michael man got a one million dollar judgment against him but mark stein said that uh the hockey stick is a reconstruction of temperature using proxies with two problems the proxies and the reconstruction he said other than that you can take it to the bank and that was that's a class so what he did he used just proxies or things we used for temperature reconstruction or co2 reconstruction through

back before historical records and and michael mann used some really really horrifically bad proxies to reconstruct temperature and like you say he's according to him we had a slowly declining temperature up until about the 20th century and then man it just took off the temperatures they skyrocketed and he again he based uh that in his his reconstruction on just bad bad bad proxies particularly tree ring data in the southwest of the united states that's right to make it he was uh yeah you pick your starting your ending points carefully there don't you but he was also involved in climate gate and that's one of the reasons why he was a focus of the group that i was working with uh because um you know he was even though that was kind of focused in the uk at east anglia university he was involved back and forth with emails where

they were talking about we're going to hide the decline based on our models and that's the other thing about this you know how did these people get a pass for making all these predictions? You were talking earlier about the scientists that were affiliated with the CO2 coalition.org and how they were pretty accurate in terms of what they thought would happen with the hurricane, even the sense that the storm surge is going to be negative because it was going to land somewhere else. And so we have those types of things. And if somebody can make a prediction and it comes true, but we have these grand predictions that are kind of like trying to predict the weather 50 years in advance.

And they're hysterically wrong, whatever they're predicting, whether they're talking about the Great Barrier Reef disappearing, whatever whatever it is they keep making these predictions and yet they never seem to be held accountable for making these false predictions with their models exactly go back to may of this year and see what no was predicting for this this year's hurricane season they were predicting one of the highest number of storms ever in record well now it's it feels particularly particularly for me and my wife um that it's been a bad hurricane season but we're actually under the average for the hurricanes and it will probably we may get to the very low end of what noah predicted but no one they're never called on on the carpet that's right for that and it's it's um yeah desantis made that case to a journalist and you know and i had talked

about that i said you know when you look at the hurricanes that hit tampa there was one in 1848 took exactly the path that they were predicting uh but um you know which this one did not take that path but that was they had one that had actually taken that path in 1848. And then in North Carolina, in Asheville in 1921, they also had a hurricane that went up there and caused just about the kind of same level of destruction in terms of water accumulation and that type of thing. I hesitate to use the word flood because if you say flood, the insurance companies won't pay them anything. So we have to come up with some other name for what happened.

It's rain. And so it had that kind of rain but you know we've seen this type of stuff so it's not unprecedented and you know these were situations that happened there wasn't really any man-made industry that was that was doing that 100 years ago 150 years ago so you know that that is the the the background but no matter what they say they're never held accountable to it and no matter how dire and false their predictions are it just keeps going it must be an interesting thing to work with the unipcc because of that tell us a little bit about that well i actually got in on that at the very end, and there was very little I could contribute or do at that time. So, and I was, I signed up, was accepted, and then I joined the CO2 Coalition as executive director.

And I've been just, there was just, you got to set your priorities. And this is leading this group of eminent scientists. We just had john clouser join us on our board he's the 2022 nobel laureate in physics yeah we've got patrick more on our board who's the co-founder of greenpeace yeah and if you uh he's he's wonderful and dr william happer emeritus professor of physics from princeton and the he was the inventor of the Soviet yes Soviet sodium guide star laser developed during the Star Wars under Reagan and and if you if you remember SDI Star Wars was the they were trying to shoot down incoming missiles from the Soviet Union

and intercept them in space using lasers. But they couldn't figure out how to do it because they just it was it was Will Happer, our chairman, that invented this ability to keep lasers focused through the atmosphere. And now his invention is used at every observatory around the world to get crystal clear nighttime images there you see if you ever see an observatory with a yellow beam going up from it that's his sodium guide star laser that are used to keep to figure out what's going on the atmosphere so they get crystal clear photographs so these are the scientists that we have. They're incredible. It's great.

And we stick to the science. Yeah. And it's essential because if they're going to keep us afraid of the unknown, and if they're going to say, as we saw throughout all this COVID stuff, I'm the expert and science is what I say it is. That is the antithesis of science. That's what, as I say often. They promote consensus science. That's what, as I say often. Well, they promote consensus science. That's the big thing. And it's as Michael Creighton famously said, if it's science, it's

not consensus. If it's consensus, it's not science. And Richard Feynman, the great physicist, my favorite quote about consensus, he says, I would rather have questions that can't be answered than answers that can't be questioned. And that's what we have today in climate. They tell us what the answer is, and you dare not question it. You must not. And they need to silence me and my colleagues at the CO2 Coalition.

We've seen that first with climate, and then we saw it with the covid stuff and with medications and now it's everything uh you know anything they will tell you what is true and you cannot question that and and so that's the the attack that we see on free speech that's happening everywhere but it's it's now flowing out everywhere but it began with the climate stuff yeah and let me just if we have time here, just to delve in. One of the things, one of the proudest things, we're doing scientific papers and we do the technical material. But we also, our members were concerned about the state of science education in America. And we decided to do something about it and put a committee of mostly PhDs together.

And what they've done is incredible i ended up hiring a full-time artist a talented artist tiago hellinger de silva down in brazil and he does we're creating books we're creating videos that are attractive to children and students but most importantly we're also doing lesson plans for homeschooling parents in charter schools. And they're not just a lesson plan. It's rare. We actually have a scientist doing that, Dr. Sharon Camp, PhD in analytic chemistry. She's an AP science teacher and reader. And so this is science based. We're totally vetted the lesson plans.

We've completed the first series of book i've just authored the first of the next series we call it the sleep well series you're gonna love this so the title is chloe the clown fish sleeps well at night and it's it's oh it's marvelous and the art is fantastic it's about chloe that lives on the great barrier reef and she's told school that you know the great barrier reef and she's told at school that you know the great barrier reef in her home was going to be destroyed because of man's uh climate change and we're going to use that story we're able to use that story in an entertaining method to put out the facts about what's actually happening with corals on the

great barrier reef and i was joined as a co-author Dr Peter Ridd um who's one of the top coral and Great Barrier Reef experts uh collaborated with me on this so we've you know we have top scientists that work together get to make sure we get the story right but we're kind of going we're getting the nose under the Campbell's tent by by getting this really uh interesting material out there oh that's great yeah that's one of their big failed predictions was a great barrier reef that's like before we get off of that i'd like to give the website of our it's co2learningcenter.com co2learningcenter.com uh you can go get our books for qualifying homeschool organizations or charter

schools. We've just brought in a shipment of CO2 meters that we actually give to qualify, at no charge, to qualify in schools and homes and teachers. Because some of our lesson plans involve experiments that require a CO2 meter. And a lot of these people, they don't want to spend $140 for a CO2 meter. So we've done it for them. And this is our mission. Our mission is to provide fact science data and now our mission too is to provide that information to students particularly the homeschool parents and all three of my grandchildren are homeschooled and

it's important they love to use this information so co2learningcenter.com that's great co2learningcenter.com yeah if you don't want to be a clownfish, be careful with school that you hang out with. Right. So that's wonderful that you seized on that and made that because that is that is really the key. You know, you say Chloe sleeps well at night. Well, that's the world is going to end because of CO2 emissions. And it is absolute insanity. And, of course, the only way that you're going to stop CO2 emissions is to starve us to death and kill all the people. But I think that might be what they're trying to do. Yeah, there is that. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, there is that. It certainly is amazing. Well, it's fascinating to talk to you again. Gregory Wrightstone and the book is A Very Convenient Warming at the top of the list on Amazon. And I've got a couple of comments here. Brian and Deb McCartney, can you ask if he has heard of the Just Transition Task Force? I'm attending another meeting in northern minnesota this evening regarding the killing of coal-fired power so it's the just just transition task

force have you heard anything about that i haven't i don't like the word transition yeah it's a transition and i'm not talking about transition of energy and it's why should we transition away from something that's worked wonderfully that's lifted big that's right oh do we lose it we lost your audio i don't know if you can still hear me not something happened there uh still don't have it there we are oh okay now we're back now we're back okay good that's good it's a darn gremlins uh yeah we shouldn't why should we transition away from reliable abundant affordable energy to unreliable uh energy that's not abundant that's not affordable it's it's so the, it's a forced transition away.

I like to let the free market decide, and the free market will tell you that it's coal, it's natural gas, and maybe nuclear for our electricity needs. Yeah, it is interesting, isn't it? And I think that they were talking about that. I think they're concerned about the killing of coal-fired power. That's what their concern is. And so I think this other group is trying to transition away from it. Yes, absolutely. I mean, you look at, I've got magazines here that, Gregory, that I show people from 1979,

Time and Newsweek, and they say, by the middle of the 1980s, we will have no more oil and no more natural gas. And it's like, i saved those because i knew that was nonsense and then they say well we got 666 years of coal so what do they do they decide they're going to get rid of coal you can make coal clean but they're not required that's one you know we talk about the un uh that's one of my pet peeves i talk about frequently here and that is the paris climate accord uh even people who are alarmists were alarmed at the Paris Climate Accord because they said, well, you're not doing anything to stop this. You're going to allow China and India to build as many power plants as they wish and not have them be clean.

And so this is not addressing what our global problem is, they think. They said this is simply a transfer of industry to China, and that's exactly what it is, isn't it? It is. It is. And boy, are they, both India and China. I think President Xi, in India, Prime Minister Modi, I think he does care about his people, and he wants to lift, they still have 800 million people

that are living in energy poverty without electricity he wants to lift those people up and provide uh electricity to everyone throughout throughout india and he's they're going great guns they're mining setting breaking records mining coal they're setting records building and producing more uh electric electricity derived from coal their natural gas isn't very well developed and we can talk a little bit about that i traveled to india and spoke at a the first natural gas shale gas conference in india a number of years ago and uh but china president g number one he's got to be sitting there right now rubbing his hands together and glee because he's we're we're self-destructing yes we're undermining our

electricity or our economy uh for no good reason and he's advancing his he's mouthing the words we're going to go to net zero by what 20 70 20 80. he's not he has no intention of doing that no and and they're they're going great guns I don't think he there's no altruistic bone in his body his goal is to is to Mount and have an economy um unrivaled in the world and part of that's used getting affordable reliable abundant energy and he's doing it with call he's using everything they're building a lot of solar they're doing wind but it's it's mainly coal that's really driving this and it's and plus here in the United States most of our uh proposals here we know about kamala harris she was pushing electric vehicles

until she wasn't which occurred at some point we don't know why or when but now she's not but their their whole energy solution jennifer granholm and department of energy they want everybody to drive an electric car which will only increase demand for an already scarce electricity. And it's going to be horrible, horrible, horrible. Yeah, well, we can look and see what's happening as they're demanding that everything be electric. No gas ranges, all electric appliances, all electric cars and everything. As they're doing that, they're simultaneously shutting down the grid capacity.

And so we know where this all leads. And you can see what's happening in the UK as well. Their electricity is already four times what it is in the United States. They just shut down their last steel plant. They just shut down their last coal energy plant. They can't compete and manufacture anything with China. I mean, China's always had the China price, which is, you know, their currency manipulation and copyright piracy and slave labor. Well, now they've got the cheapest energy of anybody. That's what's going to happen. You've got Germany. Look at what is happening to

the German industry. They're having to shut down as well. If we follow this path of getting rid of CO2, it is a path of suicide. That's why your book is so important and the organization is so important. The co2coalition.org that you put together got a lot of Nobel Prize winning scientists that are there. People ought to bookmark that and get that on your mailing list. And the book is a very convenient warming,

again, by Gregory Wrightstone. This is a vital issue. It really is. Yeah, is yeah thank you that's again that's the mission of the co2 coalition it's my own personal mission is to get the the science the facts and the data out there about what's actually happening and i'm an optimist david i'm i'm a true optimist in a lot of things but particularly i believe we're winning i i find i talk to lots of people i do a lot of uber drivers i'm converting america one uber driver at a time but i find just about everybody i talk to is thirsty for the information that we provide

that my books provide that the co2 coalition provides they're thirsty for this they've never heard of it so many times their eyes get wide open and they go i've never heard that uh why why are they lying why aren't they telling us that yes if they we need to be silenced yes because i'm telling a fact-based story and we can see what is happening in european countries especially in in the uk they're a little bit ahead of us uh you know this article article I covered yesterday that was about, I said, electricity rationing has already begun. They just haven't given you your coupon book. And they're talking about how they're measuring all of the, you know, the time of day usage and all the rest of this kind of stuff. And people are scrambling to figure out how they're going to afford this.

I mean, and we've got these offshore wind farm that is offshore Long Island. It's going to escalate the price of, well, by conservative factor, four or five times because they're looking at their profit margin is going to be about

one and a half times what the current entire cost is. So it is amazing what is happening with all this, how expensive, how unreliable it is, and it really is going to be incredibly destructive for all of our lives. Yeah. Well, thank you so much for joining us. And again, the book is A Very Convenient Warming by Gregory Wrightstone at the top of the Amazon list. Thank you so much for joining us, sir. And the

co2coalition.org, also very important. And I'll put that and the resource into the description, the co2learningcenter.com because we do have a lot of people who homeschool and I know they'd be interested in those books and that curriculum. Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you.

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