The David Knight Show - INTERVIEW: Advancing Liberty Through Fact, Fiction & Entertainment

Episode Date: January 4, 2023

Gard Goldsmith, gardnergoldsmith.substack.com, joins to talk about a wide range of topics — from a new regulatory framework for gun control to his experiences writing for Star Trek and Outer LimitsOUTLINE with TIMECODES Gard's new show "Liberty Conspiracy" on Rokfin. Mon-Fri 6pm EST1:23 ATF's new approach of gun control without Congress (and of course, without the Constitution)5:10How we know Fauci knew about Chloroquine and the NIH studies showing its efficacy against coronaviruses18:13 How Gard became a writer for Star Trek, then Outer Limits20:18How do TV shows collaborate on scriptwriting?26:27The politics of the Star Trek universe — there’s NO MONEY in the Federation.35:30 We’re turning in to the Prisoner's Village.38:07Find out more about the show and where you can watch it at TheDavidKnightShow.com If you would like to support the show and our family please consider subscribing monthly here:SubscribeStar https://www.subscribestar.com/the-david-knight-showOr you can send a donation through Mail: David Knight POB 994 Kodak, TN 37764Zelle: @[e-mail] App at: $davidknightshowBTC to: bc1qkuec29hkuye4xse9unh7nptvu3y9qmv24vanh7Money is only what YOU hold: Go to DavidKnight.gold for great deals on physical gold/silverBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-david-knight-show--2653468/support.

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Main market excluding specials and place bets. Terms apply. Bet responsibly. 18plusgamblingcare.ie. All right, and joining us now is Gard Goldsmith. It's great to have you on, Gard. I'm really happy to have you as my first guest of the year. Happy New Year to you.

Happy New Year to you too, David. Boy, you pulled the message right out of my mind. I kept thinking about that over new years. I was watching the twilight zone thinking about a year ago when I got to fill in for you and what a terrific year it's been. Thanks to you and your family and happy 2023. Well, thank you. You really have helped us.

I mean, this has been a busy year for us. We've, uh, uh, you know, we moved cross country and then we had to go back to Texas a couple of times for, uh, weddings and other things and additional moving

and everything. And, and, uh, uh, you and Tony have always been there to fill in for the show to keep it going. So I really do appreciate that. And I appreciate the great content that you got and you got some new content that's coming out today. You got a new show that's happening. Tell everybody about it on rock Fan and other places, right?

Yeah, yeah. In fact, it was so great. Just the timing of your invitation to join you on this start of the year. I've been gearing up to get started doing a live show Monday through Friday. And in addition to what I do over at MRCTV. So I was able to get in touch with the Rockfin guys, and thanks to you and Tony Arterburn and how much they admire you at Rockfin. They accepted me over at Rockfin.

So today is going to be the first day at 6 o'clock from about 6 to 7.30. I'm going to give it my test. We'll also stream. Yeah, so this one won't be rockfin exclusive um mostly the monday through friday uh rockfin show from 6 to 7 30 will be non-exclusive and then i'll add exclusive subscriber content as you do on thursday nights which is always so much fun and um so we'll welcome the gang hop on in and people will be able to watch it on my twitter feed and um hopefully if i work it right it'll be on rumble and on odyssey as well and maybe on youtube things are tricky on youtube

you know um i'm persona non grata over there in some cases because of my mrc tv work well yeah if i were you i would just use uh youtube to promote your other stuff yeah those are the people who have managed to stay on youtube that's what they they've done. You know, I've got, uh, I've got something coming up about this or that. And they use a euphemism to talk about it because I mean, just mentioning a word or, you know, in many cases, just mentioning my name, I guess, I guess that was what got me kicked off with my music channel that I put on

YouTube. I knew that, you know, they were not going to allow my content and I wasn't going to, you know, kick my content off to suit or tailor to suit them. Uh, but I thought, well, I can put up some music and I did that. And after six months, they, they kicked me off. And the only thing I can figure out is that they made the connection because I had, uh, the video clips that I put up said, yeah, you're listening to the David Knight show, even though they weren't listening to the David Knight show. And that was enough, I guess, to get me taken down. So be careful what you put up on YouTube, but you've also got, um,

Liberty conspiracy and you just had a new, uh, report that you put up about that, about the ATF. Tell us about that. Oh yeah. Um, so yeah, yes, indeed. Um, so in addition to the work that I do for MRC TV, um, in, in many cases I'll expand on that work or sometimes they just can't get everything out. So I started up my sub stack and I have my channels at Rumble, at Odyssey and at Bitchute that are the Liberty Conspiracy channels. Because, of course, freedom is out of fashion nowadays. So we are our own conspiracy so i put together a story about uh the uh most recent so-called rules and then this is it's a combination of things that that really uh stuck in my mind uh it's a way that um people tend to get normalcy bias and accept the terminology

as orwell has spelled out as so many people has out, going all the way back to some of the masters of propaganda. If you repeatedly use this rhetoric like, oh, this is a policy change or this is a rules change from make you pay them are now issuing in addition to the previous threats to make you pay them. So we have the ATF coming out and finalizing their rules that they originally promulgated in August on having to do with these so-called ghost gun parts and of course this is all predicated on the wondrous and wonderful donald trump and his bump stock exactly a supposed bump stock band that he uh he put out and so um the piece was just released in a in abbreviated form on mrc tv and i have the extended version of it at my sub stack it's the gardener goldsmith sub stack and um we just opened that up for subscribers too and i have some uh some thoughts some ideas for subscribers. If we get enough people, we'll see. It's it's real tricky navigating, trying to get enough people to to be interested and seeing whether or not it's worth putting in the extra effort or you should just make it all free and that sort of thing. what they did was uh the atf on december 27th issued their new rules which basically categorize gun parts and we're talking about basically just uh material that you could put together but of

course is not part of a gun talking about the handle and the lower part of it um as guns as firearms and the ironic thing about that is by doing that, they actually show you the double insult of first claiming something that it is not, something completely illogical, which is that a gun part can somehow be a fireable, usable gun. But second of all, they throw it under the category now of the Second Amendment,

which is supposed to stop all levels of government from touching it so if it's a gun that would give it double protection one would think right yeah so that's yeah that's the new video that i have it's over at rockfin it's at uh it's at my substack and the article in an extended form is at substack and i go through some of the uh some of the unbelievable, you might call them linguistic pretzel logic that they use. It's always been about that. It's always been about they can change and win the debate by taking the high ground and calling themselves, for example, liberal. They're not liberal. They're illiberal.

They're authoritarian. You know, and liberal, that's why some people say classic liberal, meaning, you know, what liberal used to mean means freedom, right? And that's how the term was used throughout the 19th century. And then it was taken by these people. But they always set things up with terminology. And what they're doing with the bureaucracy, you're exactly right, it's very dangerous. And it's about time people start to wake up to this. This has been done for quite a while with war on drugs when they talk about civil asset forfeiture. What they're saying is you didn't break a law because if you broke a law, it'd be criminal.

And if it was a law that was broken, we'd have to charge you with a crime, we'd have to convict you, and then we would have to have a conviction before we could take your property. But we're not going to do that. We're going to call it civil because you violated a rule instead of a law. And it's everybody thinks those two things are the same, but we have regulation without representation is really what we've got. And then they can give you an excessive fine because again, it's not a law, it's a rule that you broke and the rules don't have to follow the rules of the constitution and the bill of rights. Uh, it's, it's amazing the way they play with language and people have not caught on to that, that fraud. And it really is fraudulent what they're doing,

but it really is, uh, you know, affecting these things by executive order. Oh, it's so true, David. You know, I'm so glad that a little bit earlier or earlier you brought up that woman kathy barnett who had been running for senate in maryland against dr oz and the republican remember her name yeah yeah yeah and what a breath of fresh air she was and she is the physical embodiment of the reminder of the way that they use this linguistic pretzel logic to use that term again uh because she uh she even said i think in one of the debates she said she was the product of a rape um and you know in in typical parlance someone would have said oh well you know what the mother or the pregnant woman or pregnant

person as they might say now um uh wants to do with her body is up to her it's like look we understand the criminal act of rape we understand how bad that is but now we have to consider further that there is another life involved here and you can see that life speaking in front of this audience speaking out for all those other people, those other people who have been conceived and might be destroyed with this so-called care of the modern techno-biological fascist state of exterminating life. It's just amazing. And I think one of the things that it makes me think about, David, is, you know, Aristotle, we often hear, are we a nation of rules? A we, and of course, that itself carries its own terminology. You're forcibly included in the we, that's the royal we,

which has now been translated to so-called democracy or constitutional government. But, you know, the applause that people would give to constitutional governments, going back to Aristotle, was that if, and Aristotle said, if you're going to have a state, and, you know, back then, as you've pointed out, they were understood as being the city states, not these giant nation states. So there was a real different perspective there because there was easier exit from these places. If you didn't like it you could evacuate and the larger the area of control is f.a hayek the economist noted and and you know people just in common sense know the more impossible it is to get away from it um so um small areas of control decentralization are very key and and the constitution spells that out pretty clearly um but i think it's interesting because if you go back to Aristotle,

he said, if you're going to have a government, you've got to have a written constitution. And that is often how people think, are we a nation of laws or a nation of men? But the men still write the constitution. As Lysander Spooner brought up, and this is more my anarchist side, as Lysander Spooner brought up. At LiveScoreBet, we love Cheltenham just as much as we love football. The excitement, the roar, and the chance to reward you. That's why every day of the festival, we're giving new members money back as a free sports bet up to €10 if your horse loses on a selected race.

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18 plus gamblingcare.ie. I didn't sign the Constitution. It's not a binding contract for me. It isn't. Even the Constitution is imposed on me. As many people, yeah. And so. Unless you take an oath to it. Exactly. It's not a contract. But of yeah and so unless you take a note to it exactly

it's not a it's not a contract but of course the people who take an oath to it are usually the ones who are violating it the most right yeah exactly the least we can ask is if they were stuck in this situation that these people uphold their oaths to the constitution and um here we have the atf it's a perfect example where um and i'll just go to that piece because i mentioned that i think it was the epic times um a writer named ozimek and i want to give him credit the epic times does pretty good work oftentimes uh tom ozimek uh he wrote firearm vendors who sell near complete pistol frames and, often as kits that can be relatively easily turned into untraceable homemade guns, were hit with the new rule in August, which required that frames and

receivers that could be readily converted into fully operational guns are subject to the same regulations as traditional firearms. Of course, it takes work to put that together. I mean, if you do it that way, you could ban the ore that goes into the metal that makes the guns. You can reduce it to that logical step. So I think it's important to bring these sorts of things up and to acknowledge the fact that people have become accustomed to these things. And what it really comes down to is the so-called licensed firearm dealers. You mentioned Jordan Peterson. You mentioned the California statute that's going into effect now with pulling doctors' licenses if they say the wrong things. And people don't question licensing.

And that itself, when we talk about takings, you talk about the drug enforcement doing civil asset forfeiture. We've got civil asset forfeiture all the time. It's just not acknowledged as what it really is. If you've got zoning laws, if you've got licensing laws, if you've got regulations per se coming from politicians, they are, by definition, putting a priori restrictions on your ability to be able to use what you legally ethically acquired that's right they are the aggressors that's right and so that i think those are those are the sorts of things that are worthy of exploration as people go into some of these stories and that's hopefully what i i will try to explore on the show not to you know promote the

show or whatever but uh it is an amazing opportunity to be here with you at the start of the year and to have thought so highly all about what you've been able to do on your show and the opportunities you've given me. And now to talk to you about some of the things I've been covering this week. And then, you know, possibly that I'll, I'll discuss in the show tonight. So thank you. I'm sure it's going to be a great, and again, it's what time? Six to seven, you said? what time six to seven you said or yeah six to seven thirty and david i'm curious to see what you yeah i'd love to get your thoughts on this because one of the things that um i i notice when i cover uh

news stories so much is that i you know i have a lot of fiction that's been stored up i just got the rights back to a lot of my books. And so I'm going to be able to publish them. Yeah, but go ahead. Oh, sure, sure. Yeah, yeah. So I've been constructing a giant mosaic of stories that hopefully will lead a lot of people who are into horror and speculative fiction to understanding God. At first, it might seem that these stories are Lovecraftian or cosmic horror or science

fiction or so on. But really, what it's going to do in the end is lead you to Christ in the final few stories. But what I think is interesting is as I go through each episode of the show, hopefully Monday through Friday, I'd like to reserve a few minutes at the end of each show for reading something. Because I noticed that as I cover nonfiction stories and news and video and things like that, and I absorb this information and I feel so strongly about it, oftentimes I haven't been reading the fiction that i i used to enjoy so much and maybe it's just a natural outcome of getting older and you know not getting the same charge out of it or something but there is some wonder to the artistry of someone who can put together words beautifully um jr tolkien c.s lewis and then impart that you know they say we're made in the image of god that makes me think about imagination.

Yeah, that's right. And so, yeah, so maybe there is something valuable. So at the end of each show, what I'm hoping to do is something I'm going to call the fight for 15, or if a story pushes it past that, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I might call it the textual 10 if it's only 10 minutes at the end. But I want to read something that's maybe nonfiction or fiction, maybe a piece from F.A. Hayek. Or like I was just checking this one out, thanks to you. In the beginning it was information.

Oh, good. Yeah. Werner Goethe. Yeah, yeah, boy. Wow. It's been a while since I've seen that. I'm trying to remember his name exactly, but it was Verna. What was the last name?

Exactly. Was it Gert or Verner get G I T T and he is not a get that's for sure. Not like Dennis Moore. Right. Um, so, so yeah, what I'm hoping to do is, is maybe give people something historical or something out of fiction that they can enjoy. And maybe it might take, even we might do one piece one day and then we'll say, okay, we'll carry on with this tomorrow.

And what I was thinking, David, might also be kind of fun is I want to start up a, this probably would be easy to do on YouTube. You know, I had some script writing experience at a couple of TV shows. And so what I'd like to do is open up a YouTube channel devoted to quality. At LiveScoreBet, we love Cheltenham just as much as we love football. The excitement, the roar and the chance to reward you. That's why every day of the festival, we're giving new members money back as a free sports bet up to €10 if your horse loses on a selected race.

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18plusgamblingcare.ie Writing, narrative fiction and things like that. And I was thinking, and things like that and i was thinking you know what'd be yeah you know what'd be really fun is to go back to when i was a kid and i used to read with my parents and um uh you know i was the i mentioned on one of my videos i was the little one in the family so eventually they would let me read as well by the time i I was about 30, they said, okay, we'll let you read. I think you might handle it. But we read Roald Dahl stories and 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea and Robin Hood and things. And so I thought, I miss those days sharing that with people. And so maybe it's not exactly the same, but maybe I could open it up and a couple times a week live, I could go on with friends, maybe get Tony, maybe get you a couple of my other friends. And we could all be in little squares reading a short story, the cask of Amatillado by Edgar Allan Poe.

You know, I get, I'll read a couple of pages. Someone else reads a couple of pages and we make it an appointment at lunch where we get together with our friends. And then, yeah, so that's what I'm hoping to do. That channel, and I know I'm throwing a lot out for you in the audience, but in addition to the Liberty Conspiracy show that will be going on Monday through Friday, I'm hoping to start this YouTube channel. And it will be on Liberty Conspiracy as well. But, again, it'll be a shift over. I'll put the easy to put out on YouTube stuff under former Star Trek writer, writing fellow, former Star Trek writing fellow.

So it'll be about that. We've never talked about on this show. We've never talked about your, uh, uh, your, your background as a screenwriter, uh, working for Star Trek and other, but tell us a little bit about that. A lot of people don't know about that yeah yeah that was really interesting what happened David was um I connected with the Institute for humane studies Libertarian think tank connected with George George Mason University um back in the um sort of early 90s mid 90s I think they had an ad in the back of Reason magazine. And I signed up for one of

their seminars and they accepted me. So I had a week where I got to meet terrific people and talk to economists. David Henderson gave me a copy of his Fortune Encyclopedia of Economics. I was really getting into understanding economics and political philosophy and things like that. And I had been pretty badly injured where I, in fact, I had to take hydroxychloroquine. They found my immune system was too high, so they had to mediate it on a couple of the interleukin channels of the immune system. So that's how I knew. And you mentioned that 2005 study that was funded by the NIH about chloroquine being a potent mediator of SARS, of COV. Yeah, I had heard that they were using chloroquine in February of 2020, and I looked it up, and within a tenth of a second, I was able to find that information

from that PubMed study that was released in 2005, andony fauci's niaid is noted right at the bottom yeah so the fact and i already disliked him because of his ridiculous ebola stance and what he had done with the aids um victims yeah really bad so um but when i saw that he was intentionally not mentioning that in any of his press conferences, I knew what the game was afoot as, as Holmes would say, you know, I knew Watson. So,

um, yeah, the amazing thing is that, you know, they, they started attacking, uh, the stuff is,

you know, well, don't Ivermectin, you know, that's for horses, y'all, you know, that type of thing.

And yet now they're pushing that, uh, mall, new, my purveyor or whatever. They're pushing that. And that really was a horse medicine. I know this offered for, I mean, it just goes full circle, doesn't it?

Oh yeah. Oh man. Jeez. This is, I, it's like talking to you. It was like getting a breath of fresh air. It's so great. It's so great. But yeah.

Yeah. Um, so yeah, so go, go back. What happened was, um, I got pretty badly injured in the nineties and wasn't sure. I'd always wanted to go out and do script writing. And so I went to the IHS seminar down at Bryn Mawr College. They host amazing people, great, great people. And then afterwards, I was able to get the opportunity to get funded to go work on a TV show. The IHS actually funded my salary, and I worked at the Outer Limits script department on the revival up in Vancouver. So I stayed in Canada. Yeah, it was great. It was 1996. I drove across the country, had an unbelievable experience

and, uh, learned a lot about their medical system just from living there. Yeah, that was a bad experience. Yeah. Luckily I didn't have to take advantage of it, but just by, I was curious, you know, as a libertarian, I wanted to find out how it was, how it was working for people. And it was not working for people. In fact, while I was there in Vancouver, I'll never forget that they had a couple things. One was that they had a bicycle helmet ordinance that they said, oh, we made a mistake. We might have to open up the bicycle ordinance, the helmet ordinance, because we need to make room for, get this, turban-wearing Sikhs, of course, and as they said on the radio,

people with big heads. You mean politicians like Justin Trudeau? Yeah, yeah, really. He can't find a helmet that's big enough to go around his head or something? Oh, man. Oh, man. You know that you wear your helmet to protect other people not to protect yourself yes exactly i'll wear my sunscreen too just to make sure i'm doubly protecting the other people i'll boost my sunscreen yeah well they're talking about mask mandates well you know we

mandate seat belts we mandate bicycle motorcycle helmets and all the rest of stuff it's like oh yeah that's right that's to protect other people isn't it yeah that's amazing it's amazing so and you know you know every time we get to chat david there's another little nugget of something that opens up like you talk about talk about uh mandates for the roads licenses and things like that you go back in history and you look at uh even going back to ancient irish history there's a terrific book about how people thought the romans were the ones who built the roads in england and it turns out it was the ancient irish and the roads were already there they just paved the roads you know because the roads are actually laid out in celtic

irish like uh pagan uh lines the romans would not have done that, you know? Interesting. Yeah, very interesting. But yeah, so I got the opportunity to work. May the road rise up before you, you know? Yes, yes. I have my Irish sayings right here. May the road rise with you. I got my little poster. That's great. Yeah, so I was able to work at the Outer Limits.

And before I went over to the Outer Limits, I had sent material out to various TV shows to see which ones might be interested. It turned out it was the Outer Limits people And before I went over to the Outer Limits, I had sent material out to various TV shows to see which ones might be interested. It turned out it was the Outer Limits people who responded and they were very, very nice, met some great people. And so when that happened, I finally, after I had been at the Outer Limits for that season in 1996, I got a response from Star Trek Voyager. And so I ended up working at Star Trek Voyager in 1998 under what was called the Writers Guild West

Fellowship so it was the Writers Guild that actually paid my salary there and that was an interesting experience because as you know Star Trek has a lot of woke UN positive roots yeah Gene Roddenberry and I think a lot of woke UN positive roots. Yeah.

Yeah. Gene Roddenberry. And I think a lot of that comes from these guys who went through World War II. Uh, I think they were, they were rooked. They were tricked. Uh, Rod Serling also, he did a short film in favor of the UN. And I, I, I always wondered how he would look at things today. Um, because.

Oh, I remember that very distinctly in the 60s when i was a kid reading comic books and how you know the un was going to they that was going to be the path to world peace and everything you know it was the nirvana that everybody was searching for and i i know exactly how they used to push that and and i thought that when i was a kid watching star trek i thought we didn't have any terms like politically correct or woke or anything like that but it's like uh they're pushing this thing on me you know that's a very different ethic about it i don't know if that was what people liked about star trek or not i always liked the spot character i thought he was interesting yeah juxtaposition between him and the very emotional captain um you know and then of course they always are the ones that get beamed

down you know they don't ever send any subordinates down. They send the commander down to, to confront whatever. So I thought that was funny. Exactly. I thought that was funny, but yeah. Yeah. And, and it, and it's, it's, it's interesting because, you know, the writers, I'll give you an example. So Brandon Braga, uh, he was at, at Star Trek Voyager and, uh, here's, I, I mentioned this to mentioned this to a couple other folks online.

I have to apologize to the audience in a way, but I'm responsible for warp drive continuing in Star Trek. So the whole Operation Warp Drive thing, I don't know whether Trump would have used that term or not. It might have been gone. So what happened was I was the low guy in the totem pole yeah at voyager and this is the kind of stuff i also want to discuss like television writing things like that on the youtube channel let me interject here that's what trump should have called it he should have called it the warp drive you

know i guess they went from the warp speed development to they went to the warp drive where they pushed it on everybody you know yeah yeah million dollars of ad council that was a warp drive uh yeah exactly exactly yeah we're gonna we're gonna force it on everybody it's gonna be fantastic i've always you know because there's a lot of writers that work on these things and you're talking about how some of them have uh you know this kind of woke perspective or whatever i prefer uh political marxist but uh yeah the uh that's another one of these things i think they came up with that term woke but um you know when you're working with us you're as collaborative how exactly does that work i remember looking at the mary tyler

moore show and of course the core of that was, you know, Dick Van Dyke and you know, these two other writers and they're kind of hashing stuff out, you know, comedy stuff and everything. How do you collaborate on these things? You know, do you have a, a kind of like what they did there? They had kind of a bull session or something, or do you get assigned a part of it or is there a head writer who comes up with a main theme and other people start to fill in details?

How does that work? Yeah, that's very interesting, David. It's sort of developed over time, I think. So if you go back to the Twilight Zone era, Rod Serling was the guy. And then he had a certain number of friends out in California. They called them the California california boys california crew uh there was um uh william f nolan richard matheson george clayton johnson and um the man who wrote the howling man um i can't remember he died very early um but anyway um they were

all friends and they worked very hard ray bradbury was in there once in a while and um they weren't on set they weren't at cbs studios at that time uh they just lived in la they had done other writing on westerns and started in radio and things like that and uh so what ended up happening was uh rod would call on these guys or they would pitch him ideas and then he would say, okay, thumbs up. And then he would write so many of his own. And what ended up developing, and I think that it sort of happened in the late 60s and so on. And you can see it in Mary Tyler Moore. It's a great example of how it started to change over.

You got the writing team the writing staff and so the way it would operate for us at voyager every day was pretty much every day um was we would have what were called break sessions and uh there were maybe six five or six writers on staff in addition to the executive producers who were jerry taylor and brandon braga, Brandon is very pro-liberty by the way, very anti-woke. And, uh, of course he created the board,

which is sort of a play on the Cybermen from Dr. Who. So you can see a libertarian doing something like that. So, um, I had dinner with Brandon about, uh, four years ago,

a really nice guy. And we were, we were chatting and he said to me, he goes, you're a libertarian. I was like, Oh yeah, you are too. I know. And goes, you're a libertarian. I was like, oh yeah, you are too. I know. And he goes, how did you know? I was like, because one day I had a reason

magazine t-shirt on under my shirt and somebody asked, what's he, what are you wearing under there? And you said, that's a reason magazine shirt. They're a libertarian magazine. And I was like, back then only libertarians read, I knew. And he goes, yeah, you got me. So, but anyway, so yeah, so it turns out that what happens is outside riders who might not be... At LiveScoreBet, we love Cheltenham just as much as we love football. The excitement, the roar,

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And so you get the outside writers each afternoon. The outside writers will come in and pitch a story. If the writer to whom he or she pitches the story thinks that that's a viable idea, they'll say, OK, let me write that one down. Do you have the paperwork on that one okay great they'll take the idea if they accept the idea at that time you got like five or six thousand dollars i think for a story idea um after uh an outside writer might have sold you know three or four ideas then the producers might let that writer write an entire episode. But typically what happened was they would buy the idea,

and then we would go into these break sessions. And every morning we'd go down about 9.30, 10 o'clock. While they were shooting over at the studio, we would be in what was called the Hart Building at the Paramount Studios. And I actually took the bus in from Colorado Boulevard, where the Rose Parade goes, every morning. I didn't studios and i actually took the bus in from colorado boulevard where the rose parade goes every morning i didn't drive and i took the bus i was the only guy i'd get off i was it was the weirdest experience like we'd be going through all these barrios and stuff and i'd be getting off the bus and like lamborghinis would be pulling in it just it made you realize how much money comes in through this spider web yeah into this locus of

yeah of communication uh which itself is very interesting when you think about propagating ideas from that central area, especially if they're connected to the government. But so what ended up happening each morning was we would go in, we'd take these ideas, and then what we would do is break them apart the break session that's where the term comes from uh we break them into scenes acts and scenes and i would be the guy up at the wet board and all the writers would sit around and we'd sort of break it down to say okay we have this general concept that we bought from this writer how are we going to turn this into a dramatic story that can also be part of the larger arc for this season and then when it was done and all the writers we might take lunch then we'd come back we would have

a series of five acts and then inside those acts we would have dramatic beats within those and then i would take that and um i would dictate it to a secretary and then the secretary would type it up and give it to one of the staff writers and that staff writer would be it to a secretary and then the secretary would type it up and give it to one of the staff writers. And that staff writer would be assigned to write that episode. They would have a week, a week, and they would have to write the episode. And then the week after that, it would be shot. So, yeah, it was, it was an amazing experience. It was really, really, you know, that's interesting.

You're talking about dramatic beats and, uh, you know, when you're talking about pitching an idea and if they take your idea you get x amount of dollars or whatever it made me think about uh was it blake snyder was that the guy's name that did uh save the cat you're probably familiar with that oh yeah yeah he made all of his money pitching ideas pretty much yeah he had a couple of movies that he actually wrote a a screenplay for they were you know kind of middling in terms of their performance and everything but uh he did a great job of talking about how you take a movie and everybody it's kind of an established thing that it's going to be about 90 minutes they've determined that's the appropriate amount of time for a movie and then they would break it into beats and say you know at this point you know you're going to introduce everybody you're going to introduce

the world and they're going to have fun and games and then goes on and you got a crisis that develops here and then a resolution that develops here. And they had it kind of worked out in terms of timing, you know, this many minutes in this type of thing should be happening. And I thought that was always very interesting. What do you do in a, in a TV show with beats like that? Yeah. Well, that's the thing, just different scale.

Yeah. Yeah. That's, but that's exactly it david um you know if there's this there's this uh i think there's a schism between people who organically understand there's just a vibe to the number of beats per act or per scene within the acts um a lot of people we just innately get it right some people make like a mathematical formula out of it you know they'll read a book on how to write a novel rather than just being the kind of person who can go and write a novel you know um i yeah so i'm i'm the kind of person that i just i i take to stories and and that's sort of the way that my mind works and uh i reverse engineer everything. So like you're an engineer, and I love listening to you

because you have that engineer's mind, you know, and that's the thing. Like you can reverse engineer something. So I always know the way the story ends, and then I get there through working backwards uh typically uh but yeah um you will have about five dramatic beats uh or four dramatic beats per uh per act and so you try to you try to put those within a couple scenes or one scene uh that sort of thing and uh the way that it's designed, it's either character-driven or it's event-driven. And I think in some of the best dramas, it's really got to be character and event-driven. That's why if you get a program like Breaking Bad, that's why it was so intensely good.

Or if you really like the characters like on star trek um and so uh there are there are things there are limits though where for example uh i had a pitch session with jerry taylor who she used to work on quincy and me and things like that and um i pitched an idea to her saying well okay so the voyager crew needs to get some money. So this is going to be kind of a lighthearted story. It's going to be kind of like the sting. They're going to pull a sting. She goes, oh, guard, I have to stop you there.

Now, by that time, Gene Roddenberry had passed away. And she said, Gene stipulated that in the Federation, there is no money. And I just said, yeah. I mean yeah i mean yeah it means your blood or something yeah that's exactly the kind of thing you just say to yourself so there there's no human ingenuity there's no desire there's no difference between people this is ridiculous there's no trade there's no accumulation of wealth there's no private property she goes yeah you have no idea the headaches that this has given us because we have to have them resort to barter i was like this is the 23rd century and you're having them resort to barter this is insane she goes i know it's so

stupid but it was the utopian vision of gene rodber he thought well she actually literally you know if they put it easy we're all going to be resorting to barter you know it's like i know how many triples uh does it take for this it's like somebody poisoned the quadrature of kaylee and that's the thing you know you get these and that's why the prisoner i think is so interesting because in the prisoner uh you know and we often talk about the prisoners so much the prisoner is it's not a drama per se it's a larger set piece for larger political social and religious commentary because patrick mcgooley is very staunch catholic and i know that you mentioned that last episode and i don't want to give any spoilers away but when i yeah when i first saw the show I didn't like that last episode but now that I've gone back and I see the way that the last episode works I realize it's a really great

commentary on the human condition on ourselves on and I'm not gonna say anything else to go back and look at it again because i was one of those people saying i don't really like because what i liked about all of the other episodes there's 17 episodes so i liked about the other 16 was that it worked on several different levels you know it worked on an abstract level the comments about you know the human condition and things like that but it also typically, there were some minor exceptions, but it would typically hold together as, um, you know, kind of a, an action adventure thing as well. And so you could view it just as that, or you could understand the other additional

facets to it. That's one of the things that I like so much about the, uh, you know, so many of the episodes in the prisoner. And that, that was the thing that I thought was kind of, kind of missing from the last one. It was very, very abstract. Uh, but, um, yeah, we really are turning into the village, aren't we? I mean, you look at these 15 minutes cities, uh, this is getting even tighter and tighter than Neom where he's talking about, uh, you know, be able to travel

from one end of the line to the other end of the line linear city in 30 minutes or whatever well they don't want you even traveling that far they want to keep you confined in this little tiny village um you know yeah yeah you know 15 minutes everything is within 15 minutes and i guess that is simply maybe walking or riding in a golf cart you know just like the village yeah and you know david i hope with the change over in the year that people don't either get fatigued or that they uh start to look at other things because there's always some new attack that they're going to be bringing up but if you look at those 15 minute cities um over the past year i don't know how many pieces i've written for mrctv about various governors whether it's the governor of New Jersey or it's another governor of Massachusetts, New York, saying by 2035, by 2050, by 2045, you won't be able to heat your home with natural gas or oil.

You're going to have to do it with electricity. Well, who's going to control the grid? Already we know exactly the village will control the grid the grid yeah and um and you know i thought about you you mentioned earlier you played and discussed that um rfk jr statement about how they're strip mining everything yes strip mining and he's terrific the way and you know he and i don't agree on everything but there are so many areas you look at a guy like Russell Brand. I think he's starting to recognize the importance of individual liberty a lot more now. And press say, but we need a security net. Well, it's like, well, who's going to run the security net? And now you're creating the same problem.

And this is where I think if we look at some of the things that I've been reporting on over the past year, I hope people won't drop these things because they are really, really going to try to eliminate personal choice as much as possible and use all of these excuses about the environment and so on and i i wonder you know we go back to i wonder about people in in the generations behind me looking at things like the climate arguments and things like that and they're not exactly um translatable but you being a little bit older than I am, as you saw Star Trek, I was always very curious about this. I saw Star Trek just as entertainment. I didn't think about Uhura and Sulu being different races and Chekhov being the Russian who was there or whatever.

They were just people. They were just people on this ship. Maybe a little bit of Chekhov because he was Russian and we still had the Soviet thing going on when I was a kid. And, you know, the Eastern Bloc Iron Curtain difference between them and the West. how much would a person who was a little bit older at that time have seen the propagandistic manipulation going on in a show like star Trek to try to push a particular message. And maybe it was a good message. Maybe part of their message of having everybody working together was a good message. That's and then i think to myself how much are younger people getting acclimated to things like caring about the climate when their supposed care about

the climate is not really care about the climate it's buying into government control caring about the climate means property rights and not hurting somebody else's property. So there's a lot to consider there. And I always wondered about that, about somebody like you who saw Star Trek. And I guess you already sort of gave reference to it. Like you could kind of see some of the things that they were sort of pushing at that time, right? Yeah, it was kind of, you know, the diversity, inclusivity type of thing, as much as they could uh and it was uh forced uh obviously uh to to to push some of these things through as you point out they they were trying to make it into a little united nations type of deal and so that was uh that was there but you know you had um pull in

like vulcans and things like that as well so you know it was it it was, it was, um, uh, it was, it was interesting, but it was also kind of obvious, you know, what, where, where they were going with it. And as you point out, you know, he's got a UN mindset, he's got anti money mindset. Uh, it's a very different kind of mindset than let's say, you know, last the Mohicans, you know, where you're looking at something that is, that is very fundamentally about Liberty and anti-authoritarianism.

I mean, there's a lot of. Uh, appeal to authority, even though they were constantly kind of doing their own thing and breaking outside of that. Uh, there was a very rigid, uh, uh, society that, that was kind of imposed. And, and a lot of people made that analogy talking about how star Wars, you had a rebel Alliance that was pushing back against this massive structure that had become oppressive. And so it was a very different take between Star Trek and Star Wars in terms of looking at the individual, I think, in many different ways. Yeah, you know, I think a lot about how on a television show like that, ideas often would get watered down because you have the team there and you've got fact, David, um, I published my first novella was published over in the UK in 2013.

And I wrote a sequel for that, which was like 400 pages, which is just bizarre. The novella is 60 and the sequel is 440 pages. Yeah. And, um, so versus lord of the rings i guess yeah yeah exactly exactly well yeah yeah what is what genre are they are they science fiction or something like that yeah the the first one is called bite and it's a sort of uh play on horror uh it's uh it was inspired by the original kolchak the night stalker with darren mcgavin and um i always thought we're all turning into Kolchaks now.

We're all reporting on the bad guys. Nobody believes us. And his classic line, try to tell yourself it couldn't happen here. You know? Yeah. And so it's about a guy who's a vampire killer. Well, he works in a weird field.

He gets paid by insurance companies and small governments to kill vampires because they're a liability and he's getting into his mid-50s his eyesight is kind of going bad and and now they're paid to shut down uh people on uh podcasts and yeah and you know you know it's interesting because i originally wrote it as a metaphor to my getting tired of having to defend constantly defend liberty i was going to just get out of it and just work on fiction because i when i after i finished off out in los angeles at star trek i came back here and i started to do talk radio i was closer to my parents wanted to be closer to them and um in working in talk radio, it was very intense, obviously. And so I thought, maybe I want to go back to the script writing.

So I couldn't sell scripts. I couldn't just pitch story ideas. So I decided to work on prose fiction. And that's where I developed this story, Byte. And the funny thing is that I got a contract offer from a publishing company for the sequel at live score bet we love cheltenham just as much as we love football the excitement the roar and the chance to reward you that's why every day of the festival we're giving new members money back as a free sports bet up to 10 euro if your horse loses on a selected

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18plusgamblingcare.ie And they actually wanted me to change my name on my political stuff or on my writing, on my fiction, one or the other. And they said, well, you know, we're expecting that you're going to be changing, essentially I'm one or the other and they said well you know you were expecting that you're going to be changing essentially i'm paraphrasing but they said so when when do you think you'll change your one of your names i was like um i'm not going to do that so i declined

the contract and that book still has not been published it's been like seven years so what i'm thinking of doing is starting a liberty conspiracy publishing outlet i know a lot of other pro liberty people it might take some fundraising i don't know you know how how we'll do it exactly but uh um just to try to get get some of these pro liberty books out there um would be kind of nice and i know a lot of other folks who are pro freedom and they have short story ideas and things like that so we'll see how it all goes but uh, uh, yeah, you know, uh, right now it's, it's, it's still, I decided I'd get back into fighting for freedom and I'm really glad I did, you know? Well, that's good. We certainly need you in the, in the fight.

And, uh, you have been a very well informed and articulate warrior. And so, uh, you're very, very needed at this point in time. I mean, it, it, it truly is amazing, but you know, you can, you can hit for the same thing from another, a number of different angles, right. As I was talking about before, you know, fiction is so powerful. And especially when you're looking at film and video, uh, the emotional aspect that, that can be brought into that can really grab ahold of people and, and you can show them a dystopian vision of the future that's

going to really hit home and and so they don't want to have this happen i mean hollywood does it all the time with predictive programming and we reference all these different things such as the village or brave new world or 1984 all the time um you know we reference it as something you don't want but of course it's all these things have kind of become plans for them. It's the way they reenact. And you know, David, I feel like, I feel like I owe it to people to not give up trying to get information out there in both nonfiction and fiction. You know,

I owe it to some of the fiction writers who tried to impart these ideas in the past. And I owe it to people like you who are working for freedom and there's a nice uh and it's already been been growing but it's growing by leaps and bounds now with the lockdowns of christian writers uh pro-freedom writers you look at what you played with kevin sorbo doing the narration on the procedure. Yes, so many terrific folks who get involved with putting out quality fiction that can be valuable to people. And one of the things that I think I understand now more as an adult than I did as a younger person is when I was a younger person,

I just liked diving into the story the suspension of disbelief and and that's what i liked you know why i would watch tv we would record it on audio because we didn't have video recorders i would listen to twilight zones or doctor who or you know whatever it was over and over again and um yeah and it was fun. You know, I watch movies and it's terrific. Now that I'm older, I'm starting to recognize that the value of fiction is not just in the suspension of disbelief. As we mentioned, we are made in the image of God. So having the ability to imagine, I think, is something that C.s lewis and tolkien tried to stress they tried to get people to understand that if you can imagine this world in your mind it's fiction recognize that you have the capacity you have the ability to see in this world what has been hiding here the whole time that you haven't recognized yet which is christ it's god everything was created right so uh i think that um as i got gotten older now i'm starting to recognize that as i read something i don't just it's it's a tough balance i don't

just want to suspend disbelief i want to come out of that suspension of disbelief closing that page on that book or that chapter recognizing that that was a message from someone from a person and what you know respecting that person and um uh so if i read c.s lewis if i read tolkien if i read.R. Edison or I watch a Twilight Zone episode, I think about the man or the woman and how they've made a connection to me. So hopefully I'll be able to do that in my fiction work and hopefully doing this show I'll be able to sort of combine the contemporary stories with

some of the fiction stuff and and hopefully people will appreciate that it's going to be it's going to be interesting um you know i contemplated whether i was going to do this because as you know i've been pretty sick and um i thought you know uh and i was actually inspired by by how hard you all worked when you started a couple years ago yeah that was amazing you know, by how hard you all worked when you started a couple of years ago. That was amazing. You know, working by candlelight. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we do what we have to, you know, I mean, it just, it just comes up that way. Um, and, uh, yeah, it, it is, it is harder doing an open show. I have a comment here from Brian Hanson. He had a tip. He said, thank you for not spending a third of the broadcast on plugging. I've been listening since day one on InfoWars.

You and Harrison Smith bring a different vibe. I love it. But, you know, the thing is, is that, you know, that plugging for a half, for a third of the show, that's kind of driven by being on radio. You know, that's just kind of the format of it. And it gives you a little bit of a breathing room, time to prepare. And I didn't have to prepare everything in advance like i have to do for a podcast so you know podcast is a lot of preparation and it's a lot of work and um you know one of the reasons that we haven't gone to a radio format is uh you know we would

have a rigid time clock and we would have to leave space there for for commercials one of the reasons we haven't done that is simply because I don't want to, you know, cut out a third of the content. I don't have enough time to get through all the stuff that I've gone through on a daily basis anyway. And so, you know, that's, that's kind of where we are that, but I appreciate that, Brian. Thank you. You know, you were talking about information. You began talking about in the beginning, there was information.

You're talking about the minds behind these creative things, kind of tying the beginning of that to the end. That is one of the things, isn't it, that is, as you mentioned, how we're created in the image of God, the intelligence that is there. And that's what Werner was talking about in his book, the fact that you can see the intelligence there, that what is not tangible, in many cases, the structuring, the understanding of this, the information that is on some kind of a computer drive or a card or something, the card is kind of immaterial, and you can put a tremendous amount of important information on it, it doesn't change the mass in any perceptible way. But in fact fact it changes everything and i think that is the essence of being in the image of god this this creativeness

that is there the um you know whether you're talking about writing or whether you're talking about uh you know writing stories or writing music or whatever that creativeness that is there is the thing that separates us from the animals. But we can see also the common designer in all of that. And that's what he was getting at. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that, you know, in a microcosm, if you look at being able to recognize as you are reading something,

and hopefully it doesn't pull someone away from enjoying the story, but being able to recognize that there is a mind behind the story that you're reading just like there's a mind behind the life that you're living that's really important to me and hopefully it's not boring to people you know um yeah and you know it's also strange David because the fight is so intense right now there's as you know you know there's so much to research there's so much information to cover and you know i try to translate it back to philosophical stuff that i've covered with

students and i'm going to try to put that into the show as well um i try to do that over at the substax site and and i think about the attacks of the people who have been misled the people who think that force and aggression are the ways to change people's hearts, the ways to make life better and to improve people. And I'm constantly— And we need to be careful that we don't fall into that on the right. You know, we've got things that we feel are very important. We try to use government to force that on people as well if we're not careful. So tonight, what's the name of the program tonight? 6 to 7 p.m.?

Yeah, I've decided to use the Liberty Conspiracy name, and I'm going to have the Liberty Conspiracy show. It'll be on Rockfin every Monday through Friday, I hope. Tonight will be our first test at 6 o'clock, 6 to 7.30 p.m. And then, yeah, and then hopefully on YouTube in a couple weeks, we'll start the former Star Trek writing fellow. I'll give that a shot. And people want to follow me on Twitter. It's at Guard Goldsmith on Twitter, and I'll update people there.

Of course, it's sporadic, so maybe the best thing is to go over to Substack and do the Gardner Goldsmith Substack. Just sign up and subscribe, and you'll get the emails. And David, I'm curious to see what you think. Maybe sometime we can talk about this, because I like Substack. I like it a lot, but I wonder, there's so many people on Substack, and I wonder whether

people are going to get lost in the mix unless they already have a big name. So I really want to thank you. I don't know. I've got a few things up there, and I need to put some more up. And I've come up, I said, oh, I've got to do an article about this. And then I get busy because we've got to get the show out. After the show finishes, we've got to do things like cut up some excerpts from it and put it out on social media. So I haven't done as much as I'd like to do a sub stack.

But yeah, it is something that I think there's a lot of potential there. And at least they're committed to, uh, free speech. That's a big deal, you know, big time. Absolutely. Absolutely. And, uh, they're not like number two, squelching our speech, you know, uh, who is number one, but, um, uh, yeah. And, and, and that's one of the things I just, I just want to mention, uh, with intense vigor, uh, how, uh, how enlightening

you've been for me and how, how much energy you've given me and to all the people who watch you and who are in the chat, you know, the Knights of the Storm, Angry Tiger, Jason, Rhonda. And I want to get them on as well. I want to get them. You've done Knights of the Storm and, and I want to get them on and talk. I want to get them. You've done nights of the swarm and, and I want to get them on and talk to them as well. So, yes. Yeah. I love those guys.

So it's going to be, it's going to be pretty intense, but I think with the support, uh, really it's because of you that I think I can start this. And, uh, I think I'm going to be able to do it.

And I think, you know, absolutely. You've got a lot of, a lot of ideas and, uh, you got a lot of things happening all at once a lot of energy so hats off to you guard again tonight uh six o'clock uh liberty conspiracy on rock fan uh tune in for

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