The David Knight Show - INTERVIEW After the Nuclear Blast: A Survivor's Guide

Episode Date: June 21, 2024

Jack Lawson, CivilDefenseManual.com joinsThe Green Beret Colonel who arrested PutinWill Russia use nukes?Thermobaric bombs, hypersonic missilesRussian civil defense drills — what is America doing?Will post nuke attack be like Chernobyl?Cuban Missile Crisis Part 2Find out more about the show and where you can watch it at TheDavidKnightShow.comIf you would like to support the show and our family please consider subscribing monthly here: SubscribeStar https://www.subscribestar.com/the-david-knight-showOr you can send a donation throughMail: David Knight POB 994 Kodak, TN 37764Zelle: @[e-mail] App at: $davidknightshowBTC to: bc1qkuec29hkuye4xse9unh7nptvu3y9qmv24vanh7Money should have intrinsic value AND transactional privacy: Go to DavidKnight.gold for great deals on physical gold/silverFor 10% off Gerald Celente's prescient Trends Journal, go to TrendsJournal.com and enter the code KNIGHTBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-david-knight-show--2653468/support.

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Happiness. We all know what it feels like. But sometimes it doesn't come easy. I'm Garvey Bailey, the host of Happy Enough, a new podcast from The Globe and Mail about our pursuit of happiness. We know people want to live more fulfilling and positive lives, but how do we actually do that? Is there a happiness code to crack? From our relationship with technology to whether money can really buy you happiness, we'll hear from both real people and experts

to demystify this thing we're all searching for and hopefully find ways to be happy enough. You can find Happy Enough wherever you listen to podcasts. All right, joining us now is Jack Lawson, who has CivilDefenseManual.com. Let me grab a copy of this. I always keep it right here. Uh, two volumes set and you can find it at civil defense manual.com. There's a reason that Jack does this only in a physical copy. It's because what we were just talking about earlier, you know,

the, the hacks and the vulnerability of our infrastructure, our internet and things like that. Uh, but Jack has something very interesting to talk about. And, um, uh, so I'm going i'm gonna let you uh roll this story out you know somebody that actually arrested vladimir putin and interrogated him tell us about that yeah uh david uh i wrote i've written and published four books um let me give you real quick your readers or your your watchers your listeners uh an idea of my background i was in the american air force for four years i was a an electronic specialist

for missile guidance systems and a pro a uh system they called the safel s-a-f-o nuclear arming system and i did the uh uh arming package for the nuclear bomb which i used to actually sit on top of putting this package on i was also a member just like slim pickens and uh and dr strange love yeah of course they never opened the door underneath you unfortunately swim pick and what probably didn't go in the dark like mine i i got i got irradiated from i've got problems from that oh but i was also uh after the american air force i was a member of a foreign legion uh anti-terrorist rapid response unit uh in africa and uh I was involved in a nasty war. I was there for about three years. And I've authored four books.

But what you were alluding to was Colonel Sully D. Fontaine. He's in the Special Forces. He was a member of my special forces chapter in las vegas but the bottom line is the guy is in the special forces hall of fame i told him one time soli when i see these pictures from the 1960s of all these diplomats and stuff i look real close to see if you're in the background he seemed to get involved in just about everything but in this case he was a green beret colonel right he's a green beret colonel and then he became the director of the berlin criminal investigation division which is the department

of the army and uh he told me this story one day. What a character. A great man. He was like a second father to me. I used to sleep over at their house, and his wife would make me breakfast. And they were just great people, you know, and just very salt of the earth. He was a Frenchman born in Brussels, but naturalized American. Because he spoke fluent Marseille French, he had a lot of interactions with the ABC agencies. But in Berlin in the late 80s, they had American 10th Special Forces Group

actually had people going behind the lines. People don't know this unless you read books on this but they had guys that lived in the eastern block countries just as if they owned a home and they were a citizen they spoke perfect dialect of the language there well one of these guys was out of the east block and in Berlin in his apartment and noticed the mailman walking down the street and this mailman was in a German male uniform and had a mail bag and it was kind of curious the guy was just nonchalantly staring and he noticed this guy isn't delivering any mail and he saw and he saw him the next day

so he he decides to follow this guy and he follows him to an apartment the guy didn't deliver one bit of mail except he got to this apartment so uh this special forces guy talked to the cid which sully de fontaine was running uh he was a colonel and and told him about this thing so they put the mailman delivering the mail and the apartment under surveillance determined it was a russian kgb operation so they arrested the mailman he turned out to be vladimir put uh now the president of uh premier of uh of Russia and he said uh he had a whole team of guys and they interrogated him non-stop for hours and he said everybody came out of that room liking Putin he was such a charming person

he first off admitted yeah I'm a spy you know i told him just what it was so anyway he said we he said i talked to him for probably an hour and he says he was absolutely most charming person i've ever integrated uh interviewed and uh he said they swapped him a couple days later for an american Special Forces guy they'd caught for holding so they did this swap and then the intelligence agencies found out about this and uh blew a fuse because yes Putin was a spy but he was also running the entire Russiandb operation in east germany and they were really angry about this that they let him go and apparently somebody didn't get to communicate hey we captured this guy so you know since they showed no interest they did the swap wow that's amazing that if he's running it that

he would be out there on the street dressed as a mailman this is almost like the star trek thing where they have the cat the captain of the ship goes down with every party you know he uh putin uh majored in german language they have intense schools in russia back in that time and he spoke perfect german and so did uh colonel de fontaine anyway uh the longest short of this thing was I said to, I asked Sully, I said, well, what was Putin like? He said, I'll just tell you one thing. He's nobody's fool. He tricked us into letting him go.

He was so low-key and he had everybody in the room laughing. He was telling these jokes all the time. And, you know, he looks so serious when you see him on TV. I mean, he's probably a pretty brutal character. He was KGB, all those guys. And I'm no apologist for him or the Russians.

I think they make great, uh, they may mob great mob characters. You know, uh, it reminds me of the movie Ukrainians do too, but yeah, it reminds me of the movie, uh, the usual but yeah it reminds me of the movie uh the usual suspects where he had uh kevin spacey is uh kaiser sose you know he's he's telling them all this exactly yeah that type of thing that's exactly what uh sully said and he said i'll tell you one thing he said uh he's no one's fool he said the guy is extremely intelligent and very crafty and very uh he can lay out a he can play three-dimensional chess yeah so anyway the longest shortest thing was uh i thought that was very interesting that he interrogated him for this long time and uh and that he was actually in berlin uh doing this but

what he was doing there why was there i don't know i didn't get the sully was hard to get information out of uh he did so many incredible things but uh his wife and me used to have to try to get him drunk at on wine at night to get any stories out of him because he was he was just so humble he's just an incredibly great guy well you know it makes you makes you think uh when you compare uh how somebody rises up through a totalitarian system like that uh and they do have to be very ruthless intelligent and so forth um and you know whereas the people who rise up in our system they have to be ruthless they have to be ruthless and corrupt they don't necessarily have to be intelligent i guess so you can see what's happening that is that is an understatement i i just uh have a hard time sometimes getting up in the morning

and uh skimming over the news i don't really get into it too much in detail yeah because uh yeah and then because it's a matter I think the biggest task people face in this country now is trying to determine what the truth is yes and that's why I actually encourage your readers to to support you because to me you're you're one of the few people that's a voice of reason and reality in this crazy world. I mean, I see companies in the news. I just, I can't even look at it. It's just, it's disheartening. And I think it's purposely designed to be that way.

But anyway, I cannot believe the mess we're in. The understatement was not very intelligent, but they seem to be surrounded by people like that. Joe, you know, we're in a Kennedy missile crisis, whether people realize this or not. Yes. A Cuban Kennedy missile crisis only uh joe biden isn't john kennedy and uh putin is not nikita khrushchev that's right khrushchev was kind of a clown and uh he got thrown out yeah you know when he when he goes to the u.n and he takes off his shoe and he starts banging it on the i think we will bury you i mean that was theatrics he was one of the stalin used to

make him dance around and when they had their commissar meetings and got drunk and and he was kind of looked at as the clown but everybody liked him and he was acceptable enough to put in a position at that time but uh we we don't have those people. So I think people better pray that cooler heads prevail in this thing. I am totally convinced these people in the West have lost their grip on reality. They're totally delusional. Yes. We do not have a 1990 military anymore. We do not have even technological superiority anymore the one thing

that's going to be a the deal breaker uh in a war is going to be the hypersonic missiles now missiles i worked on uh were pretty fast but uh nothing nothing at all like uh what they've got now it's it's uh it's going, somebody is going to get walked over, and I don't believe it's going to be the Russians. They've had two years of intense combat experience. Most of the men they've rotated through to get combat, so they've got approximately 1.2 million people that are combat ground forces and uh you know i don't know who's going to be in uh involved with this i think initially nato if they get boots in the ground into ukraine

is probably going to be using european troops now they're there already and they've had american troops in there there's these systems that we're giving them are so complex. You can't teach somebody how to run that thing in like a high-mars missile system. You can't teach this stuff in a month or two months. And because of that, they've had to put people in there. And I think our Defense Department is concealing the fact that quite a number of Americans have probably been killed over there.

Yeah. You know, that's not fair. Well, of course, with our wide open borders, you've talked about many times the ability for them to do direct sabotage, not just through cybersecurity issues and things like that. We could easily have somebody dressed as a mailman just walk across the border, right? He doesn't even have to have a mailbag just come across that might actually stick out and be even more suspicious if they came dressed as a mailman i think yeah yeah you're probably you'll probably get the choice of a postal office blue one or one of the lgb colored ones there you go yeah come dressed as lgbt, bring them right in.

We need more of them. Yeah. I've never seen a country with in such a best. Yeah. I will just tell your listeners this. And you had a conversation since writing his book, the civil defense manual. I have had the opportunity to meet people that I would have never met in my lifetime. One such person, I won't say his name.

He's up in his 80s now. He was in line for the last president's assistant director of national security, which he turned down because he was 80 at the time he's a retired army colonel and combat veteran of korea and also an attorney and uh he was uh he's had some very important positions but he told me about two weeks ago all the chatter in washington dc in the pentagon the intelligence agencies politicians is something is going to happen in september october something very big wow i don't want to alarm people yeah but i also believe that something is going to happen uh whether it's going to be an all-out war with American troops in the ground in the Middle East or in the Ukraine.

I don't know whether it's going to be an exchange of some kind. By the way, I'll just tell you this. I'm quite familiar. I'm no expert, but I'm quite familiar with nuclear-type weapons. The first one, people have to understand, we set off, and Hiroshima and Nagasaki was an atomic bomb. That was splitting the atom. The ones that they came up with after that were called thermonuclear,

which is a combination of splitting atoms which is fission and fusion which is a multiplication factor that makes this bomb explosion a thousand times more powerful we now use thermonuclear weapons there is no such thing as a tactical nuclear weapon. That is a joke. I laugh every time I hear it. It's like the old myth of mythology of Pandora's box. Once you open that lookout, I don't think anybody understands the graduation and power of these bombs. And that's a frightening thing to me well and of course you know we've had a lot of indications of this uh you look at jen stoltenberg i think is the nato

commander uh the head of nato uh he's stepping down and they got a new guy they're putting in there mark ruta who was the the guy that was um prime minister in the netherlands trying to shut down all the farms and the farmers. They organized and threw him out. So they moved him to NATO. But you've got all these different European nations, but especially the UK, talking about reviving a draft and doing this,

even though that's unpopular, doing it as they're coming up to an election. And then the same thing here in the united states and the united states are not only talking about uh automatically registering you to in the draft but now you've got a democrat saying let's draft women and this is one of the things this uh here's a meme that was used years ago uh this was a guy that they convicted and want to send to prison because he put up some joke memes during the 2016 election saying, just text your vote to this or show up on Wednesday or whatever to vote. The same things were being done on the other side to Republicans. But they came after this guy, not after the person who was doing it on the other side to Republicans and want to put him in jail.

One of the memes that he put up is this one I've got up on the screen right now. A woman who is laying on the ground said he died for his country. She's in the military, Michael Arlington Cemetery or something. He died for his country. Now it's her turn. And then down on the bottom there, it uh hillary clinton's logo and hashtag draft our daughters they're actually doing that now yeah that's what they want well of course the republicans are saying we're not going to do that but uh you've got democrats have introduced that

bill so when you look at the fact that not only are they a bringing up the draft but they are also trying to extend it because they're worried that they're not going to have enough people they're going to extend it to women as well and so all these things are indications and then you had the reason i mentioned nato before was because the guys currently there said oh yeah it's no problem for us to fly uh jets over russia oh really that's not a problem that's not a problem? That's not a provocation? That's not taking it to the next step? That's where they are right now.

So, yeah, when you say that something's going to be happening, if it's done right before the election, maybe that's part of their calculation to take us to war because people are not happy with what they're doing. But they keep pushing this. It's a relentless, iterative process to push us into World War III. Yes, I believe there's a push. How far this is going to go, I don't know. I'll just say this, that it's quite interesting how all of these LBGXYZ people and people like Ruta, who was

trying to close all the farms down, how they are so behind all of this. If somebody can't connect the dots and draw a conclusion that there is an agenda behind this that's being pushed by people, then they need to go back to school. I think a probable situation, I feel this is quite probable. I earlier told

you I'm one of probably a handful of people that's ever witnessed a thermobaric explosion. Now, let me explain to people what a thermobaric is. It is not nuclear. It is simply something the Germans were working on at the end of World War II. One of their secret weapons,

and thank God they did not get the thing functioning and delivery systems because this weapon, I'll just give you an end. I saw saw this thing dropped i was probably 800 yards away from this thing and uh the pilot told me over the radio he said uh he said uh watch this mate and he disappeared his jet disappeared into the clouds he came down almost probably a 70-degree angle, released this thermobaric bomb. Wow. A thermobaric bomb is a very low flashpoint, highly flammable mixture of chemicals, primarily fuels. And what happened when he dropped this bomb

is usually the procedure in most of them. Now, the Russians have made huge strides with thermobaric weapons in the last decades. But the thermobaric bomb, once it's dropped, a small explosive charge blows the sides off of the thing like a clamshell. And it distributes. you can literally see this i watched this mist of highly flammable fuel spread out for hundreds of yards and then the bomb has a lanyard hanging on it in other words a long rope and it's got a weight on it and that weight as soon as it touches the ground releases the tension on the rope and it triggers the main explosion which then ignites all of this fuel mist that's over hundreds of yards wow i have

never in my i've seen a lot of explosions i've never in my life witnessed anything like this there were actually two of them the first one was kind of a crump sounding, and the shell size came off the thermobaric weapon, spread the fuel, and then the main charge ignited all that fuel. It actually sucked the wind 800 yards away towards it. It was drawing all the oxygen out. Wow. And it needed it to an essay to ignite this explosion of the fuel it drew all it created a mushroom cloud I couldn't

believe this but the light from the explosion was so intense it was like a bright star now people talk about the Russians using retaliating if they get hit uh inside i think right now what they're doing they have a the ukrainians have a limited number of missiles uh most of them have a range probably maximum of 300 miles and they've got to be launched inside of ukrainian uh controlled areas i think uh they're limited in these i think the russians are going to let them expend them the replenishment of them is going to be a problem because they're completely they're over sophisticated like most american and nato weapons are yeah so i think what the russians if they do retali, will probably widely announce they're using a thermobaric weapon.

These things have, they have, I've never seen a lot of them set off, but I saw the one. And I can just tell you, it almost mimics a small nuclear weapon explosion that I've seen in training films in the Air Force. So that's a possibility. Whether the West is going to say it is a nuclear weapon being used, I don't think the Russians want to open Pandora's box. I don't know. What's your take on it well you know when we go back and we look at what happened with syria for example uh that was every time and it was it was three years in a row that they did this right and the last one they did was the first year of

trump it was in 2017 and every time you would have a city that had been under constant bombardment and the syrian government was about to take back this syrian city and we're supposed to believe that they dropped chemical weapons and it was debunked every one of those times and uh people you know eventually you get eyewitnesses that are there and other testimony but it took a while and and you know they would show the even the spent canisters and stuff like that but it was uh it took a while for them to debunk that it made no logical sense whatsoever that they would conduct this conventional warfare get right up to the point of winning and then do the one thing that would bring in troops on the ground uh it was obviously a narrative to bring troops in on the ground so

it becomes an information war uh just like it was with syria and you know and they nearly got what they wanted out of that each of those times even in trump's first year he kind of followed up on it and sent some missiles in. But then, you know, it was shown that it was the White Hats who had claimed that it was a poison gas that was dropped on them and that type of thing. So, you know, who knows? It's really going to be, that's why I think the key thing is information. Because when you have a war, the first thing that goes is the truth,

and it's difficult for people to get through that fog of war and know which side is telling them truth typically both sides are lying about everything and and so it's very difficult to sort that out and if they um if they really want to push it hard they'll just use that as an excuse and go in because it takes a while to debunk these types of issues so i think it's very plausible they might do something like that. I also think it's very interesting. You talked about how over complex our systems are. I think when you look at things like the M1 Abrams and all these other high tech, very expensive pieces of equipment that we're sending over there.

Oh, that's going to be a game changer. There's no way that they can counter that. And yet they do. They're very vulnerable. You see now the modern state of the art tanks that are being put in by germany and presumably they'll do it with the m1 abrams i haven't seen any of them with it on maybe they've got it on but they're driving around they look like a mobile chicken coop you know because they put this that's really crude you know netting and like a chicken coop and everything on top of the tank.

It looks like a mess, but, you know, that's what they have to do. They call the Russian one the turtle. Yeah, exactly. They've got the same thing. Yeah. But, you know, what has happened? I mean, you know, with every war, you begin at fighting the tools from the last one, and then you find out everything's really changed. And so the's really changed. And so the things changed. That is the drone strike.

And that is really kind of turned into kind of a stalemate trench warfare. Troops can't move because the drones will go after them directly. But also after the tanks, you know, when you're talking about a troops or the tanks, it's very easy to change it. So it's really hard to tell where this is going to start. I don't like any of this because once you start a war everybody's got this attitude oh yeah we're going to win this thing's going to be a cakewalk and everything you always hear that beginning of wars nobody knows which way it's going to go and everything changes yeah people people here have to understand if it progresses from any kind of a strike by the Russians in Europe to them going really overboard, uh, and striking

something in the United States. Uh, when I went through nuclear training, it was like bend over and try to kiss your butt. Goodbye. It was under the mad doctrine, which is stands for mutual assured destruction. It was insanity. It still is insanity. They've got enough weapons to turn this planet

into a blackened cinder revolving around the sun. I don't think anybody is that crazy. I don't know. I see things being done. You say information war good god i mean we've been told from day one uh the russians are being defeated the russians are being defeated the russians are pushing all over that place now they've learned from their mistakes they did get have quite a few casualties to start with because the Ukrainians are the,

well, I speak of the late Ukrainians, uh, Ukrainian military, the Ukrainians are fighters and, they're pretty ferocious fighters, but they're no longer around five, 600,000 of them killed.

But if people get, uh, start to get scared over this, they have to realize it is quite simple. I'd like to go into this a little bit. Just the 7-10 rule and the inverse square law when it comes to nuclear weapons and detonation. Unless you're in a fireball or the blast area, it know, it's a matter of doing a couple of simple things. And you can survive.

And you won't have any ill effects from it, depending on how far you're away from the blast area. But generally speaking, people should. I've got a whole section in surviving nuclear war with what you have that people go to www uh civil defense manual.com i've got an entire section in there it's free to read but it'll give people a pretty good idea it doesn't have the 710 rule in but uh it's got basic information get in the middle of your house and let me let me say this you know it's important for people to you put that there that's that's very important and it's free basic information. Get in the middle of your house. And let me say this. You know, it's important for people to, you put that there. That's very important, and it's free for people. So you've also got a chapter from your books about water, and that is also free.

And so people look at those two things. You're going to see the depth and the breadth of information that Jack's got in these things. But those are also two things that you really do need to know. Yeah. that jack's got in these things uh but those are also two things that you really do need to know yeah yeah it's basically the a to z of of how to survive without this modern technical power-driven electrical infrastructure that we live in and it's it's a matter of like walking through a desert if you're walking 50 miles through a desert and a waterhole is 25 miles away you need to get to that waterhole and it's a matter of surviving long enough to continue on with your life and i don't see uh for one thing people get confused they think oh if we're getting

bombarded i don't know what the chinese would do but i know uh the doctrine of most militaries and nuclear exchange is a they're going to set off an emp a series of electromagnetic pulse event i'm not going to go into but um it's too complex but the second thing they'll do is hit military centers, communications and power generation hubs, military manufacturing and logistics centers. They're not out to kill everybody in the city of New York or Los Angeles. If there's a facility there that's manufacturing, it may get hit. If there's an Air Force base next door, it may get hit if there's an air force base next door may get hit if there's a like the yermo marine corps uh depot uh or the tuelly which fuels all supplies for everything

but the marine corps uh those places may get hit but the bottom line is they're not out to kill the citizenry, but you have to, you know, people have to evaluate what's around them. And that's going to give you pretty much infrastructure and, um, you know, uh, uh, people can't, uh, have, have most people haven't provided anything for themselves, uh, they don't have to kill everybody. Everybody will wind up killing each other. Try fighting over food. And that's such a valid point. And everybody seems to forget that if the electrical grids goes down,

we're, we're in big trouble. Our internet went off where I live for two hours. We had a transformer blow. Of course, everybody's freaking out in the neighborhood. Oh, the Russians have attacked. You know, like that movie. Remember that movie with Peter Ustinov, The Russians Are Coming?

Yeah. I always laugh at that movie. But, you know, they portray Russia as, I'm no apologist for them. Like I said, there's some pretty brutal people in the gangs that they have, and that kind of shows me what they're like. But I think the long and short of it is people think that Russia is the Soviet Union that we fought in the Cold War. It's no longer that.

It's totally changed. That's right. I don't think they have aspirations to take over Europe. I mean, I was thinking, why would they want to? They got every third world dragon in the world coming into Europe. I mean, they must have enough problems at home, the Russians. Why would they want to take on all these third world migrants? Well, if you stop and think about it, they've got the largest land mass,

and they're right next to China which has the largest population and i think they're worried about their back door i mean they don't really need any more land uh they've got more land than anybody else does right now uh and you know it's i think when you look at the ukraine thing uh i i see it as nato aggression going back eight years and and this internal civil war that was going and everybody know what's going to happen maiden revolution yeah and it's been proven uh yeah the intelligence agencies of the west were involved in that yes yes and even in ukraine we had uh one guy he's now been kicked out uh because he was very candid about everything

you know he got kicked out when he said uh yeah that the russians didn't target that apartment building it was a missile cruise missile that came in and we hit it and then it veered into this apartment building so they kicked him out but he he was he was unfiltered in what he had to say and he came in with the zelensky regime which campaigned on ending the war. And he said, no, there's not going to be any end to the war. As a matter of fact, he said in three years, we're going to be at war with Russia. And in three years, they were. You know, it was 2019. He said that.

So there was this, everybody understood on both sides where this thing was going for quite some time. We did the same thing. If the Russians or Chinese moved missile systems that would deliver a nuclear weapon, add nuclear weapons into Mexico, I guarantee you the border would get control pretty quick. In fact, we'd be probably running tanks over into Mexico. We would not put up with that. And, you know, Colonel McGregor. My theory is proven by the Cuban Missile Crisis.

We didn't put up with them. And so what Russia is doing, I think, is for the benefit of their security. Again, I'm not an apologist for them. There's a lot of things I like about people all over the world. There's things I don't like. But I've had interactions. I've got a couple of guys that were special forces guys in afghanistan the russian army i know and uh they're great guys to talk to you know but uh pretty brutal characters too yeah yeah well you know it's what gregor said uh if

you think that um if you think that ukraine can beat russia that's kind of like saying if we had a war between mexico and the united states that mexico is going to Russia, that's kind of like saying if we had a war between Mexico and the United States and Mexico is going to win, that's just not going to happen. The size of the place, the resources, the imbalance that is there. And so,

you know, it's become a proxy war, but you mentioned at the very beginning and you kind of referred to it again. Now that the Cuban missile crisis and you know what people didn't realize for maybe about 15 years or maybe longer, I think it came out in the 80s, maybe 20 years after it happened, that there was this other thing that was happening. We had put missiles in Turkey. Turkey and Italy. We actually had one of the versions of the V2 German rocket was the Jupiter missile missile and they had uh nuclear tipped ones in turkey

right across the border yeah and uh of course typical american politician kennedy says uh we stared the russians down they blinked well they didn't really blink you know that's one of the reasons khrushchev got removed was the deal he made. And the long and short of the thing was they took those missiles and those nuclear weapons out of Turkey at the demand of the Russians. And they didn't really blink. They just did a trade-off, you know. Yeah, that's right. And that was kept quiet on our side for quite some time.

And so, you know, in a sense, this is very much a repeat of that. Of course, as you pointed out, Biden is no JFK and Putin is no Khrushchev. But, you know, we've put this military stuff close to them now with Ukraine. So they're making a show of bringing their sub to Cuba and to Venezuela to launch rockets from it as well as a show of force. That's a dangerous, dangerous situation. Yeah, it is. When you get to nuclear weapons, it's not far from a soldier having a

rifle and being in a war and shooting, uh, the enemy and getting around people that are armed or disarmed, there's always the potential to pull that trigger. That's right. Because he's been doing it. That's right. If you let the nuclear box, a Pandora's box open and take out the tactical nuclear weapon and use them, look out. Nobody knows how far this is going to go.

That's right. And, of course, our people in Washington, D.C., and elsewhere that are important really have no skin in the game because they've got provisions to protect these people for long periods of time. Americans don't have that. The Russians just had a 44,000 person about three months ago, a civil defense exercise. When's the last time you heard our civil defense? There really isn't anything to speak of.

It's FEMA. Yeah, it's nothing. They can't tie their own shoes. There's an interesting book I read. I've talked uh that several times it's called raven rock uh the u.s government's plan to uh save themselves and let the rest of us die talking about how they had uh what they had done during the cold war we had mutually assured destruction uh they were going to assure that all of us died but they were going to go into the underground bunkers and things like that. And they got into a lot of detail about it, you know, talking about these these different

places. We had one close to where we lived in North Carolina that was an underground AT&T facility. So there was a lot of these different things that were spread around. But yeah, you're right. They really don't care about us and when you started talking about this like giving a rifle to a soldier the thing that came to my mind was um these guys in washington are kind of like some guys never touched a gun before and you hand it to him and he's waving it around at everybody in the room without any muzzle control right you know and that's really what's going on

with our foreign policy i mean it's like we've handed a bunch of rifles to the state department and the pentagon and they're just waving out at everybody in the world you know to see where this is going to go off well let's hope uh if anything catastrophic like this happens that there's enough of us left uh to have the capability to run the cement trucks over and fill their air vents. You know, I don't, you know, I don't envision a world being run by the politicians period, but especially who we've got in charge now. And those people running a government now are not going to relinquish power in my opinion they've gotten where they've gotten as far as they've gone and i do not think i think they're they're kind of

like somebody having their house foreclosed on and uh deciding to light a fire in and burn the thing down as you're walking out the door i think that's this extent that these people will go and i don't even think they know how dangerous this situation is i agree they just keep poking uh as far as i'm concerned at poking the russian they keep the do you wear five or six times as many aircraft we got a lot of f-15s and 16s and delivery systems for nuclear weapons. But if they put those in Poland, I'll guarantee you the Russians are not going to wait. They will probably do something to take those air bases out. They will not let that threat, because they're seeing these people as totally illogical and unreasonable,

literally insane directives and decisions they're making. You know, put yourself in the Russian military. I think Putin is probably fairly reserved in what he's done. I've heard that some of the military officers wanted to overthrow him over this uh other group that had the opinion let's slowly kill off the the uh ukrainians and we'll take we don't want to provoke a war you know i just don't think they're they're going to be able to avoid it yeah it is uh it truly is

insane and you know i i think that you talk about the fact that the russians have civil defense drills and things like that uh nothing here they went through you know their experience in world war ii is very different than the american experience and because so many millions of them died in that war that's the kind of memory that lasts. You know, we don't really remember World War II in this country much. It wasn't on our soil. And the people who fought it now, for the most part, have died. And so there's a bit of an understanding of maybe our fathers' or our grandfathers' war.

But it's very different when you have that kind of mass slaughter on your own soil that persists for several generations. And so they have very different perspective on this. I think. Correct. Correct. I think that, uh, the Russians are willing to sacrifice people that they're amazing. Uh, to me, it's totally blows me away. I like to study military tactics, and we have a conventional

we have a set of conventional tactics to fight a Russian invasion of Europe. The Russians have always, but they especially now with technology use what's called the isr it's intelligence surveillance and reconnaissance they pinpoint every square inch of 25 miles in front of them for drone artillery missile strikes uh anything that gets in that 25 not 25 miles 25 kilometers anything gets in that 25 kilometer range they have three layers of defense every one of those layers is is basically pinpoint targeted for heavy heavy bombardment this is why the ukrainians just get cut to pieces

they'll lose five six thousand people in a day because they say, okay, yeah, we broke through the Russian lines. No, they broke through the first tier of defenses, and the Russians don't let them get any further than that. They decimate them. They decimate is one out of ten. They obliterate them. And our NATO advisors can't seem to teach them anything but what the conventional tactics

of a cold war were for an invasion of russia they it just blows me away but this is where military stick in the mud and junior commanders say only what they know the senior commander wants to hear so uh it's it's just a misdirected effort but uh they i i just i'm just assured that eventually uh i as far as i'm concerned the ukraine has already crumbled they just haven't closed up shop yet they've still got the lights on yeah yeah and a lot of people were saying that from the very beginning it's like you know this mismatch that is there uh is is doomed to failure and yet uh it appears that um the the nato forces are just going to use that as an excuse to directly engage the russians yeah i think that's where this is headed well you, you know, there's an interesting article. Let's talk a little bit about individual preparation. Again, you've got the chapter about how to prepare for a nuclear war and the aftermath of that if you're not in the blast, the direct blast zone.

And that is a free chapter at CivilDefensemanual.com. But I was kind of curious to get some of your response to an article I saw that I thought was kind of funny because it was in the UK. And they were saying that only about 15% of the British people do any kind of prepping. And so the Telegraph got ahold of somebody and said, well, tell us what we need to do. And of course, the first thing that you talk about

is the fact you got to have water. Nowhere in this do they mention water at all. Instead, they say, well, you got to have about three days worth of canned food and things like that. You got to have a winter sleeping bag, a warm waterproof coat. And I'm looking at this and it's like, what are they talking about? A flashlight, you know, stuff like this. A beach. Yeah, that's right.

I like this one. a three-in-one survival a survival whistle uh a whistle so that you can who you're gonna call exactly who you're gonna call yeah yeah ghostbusters yeah for one thing i don't want to insult anybody english but i'm married to an english woman and a british. And I've always said that the English make good subjects, not citizens. We Americans, I really do believe that we almost have something in our genetics that gives us such a ferocious independence. It's passed on since the days of the 1700s. Since we set foot in this place, it's just a survival mode. It's passed on since the days of the 1700s. Since we set foot in this place, it's just a survival mode.

I would like to tell people the simple rule is this. You better have some water, number one, if you're going to survive. Okay, I'll give you a scenario I would do in my house. If there was a nuclear attack and we had winds drifting this way, we'd fall out. Number one, the nuclear weapons that I worked on, the thermonuclear weapons, were what were called the dirty bombs. They were very inefficient.

They were a huge blast. They left a lot of radioactivity around. I called the new ones, don't laugh, but I call the new ones environmentally friendly or green bombs because they have been engineered to be very precise.

They put a big bang out and they don't leave a lot of waste around. However, if you were to have an attack somewhere around you and you're outside of the fireball, which, forget it, you're toast, it turns you into a cinder, the blast area is going to irradiate you. And that's usually about 15 to 20 miles from a target. If you're outside there, you're going to end up having southwesterly winds carry fallout.

The simple thing I would do in my house, I've got a large front room. I would close all of my windows. I would close all my doors. I would have a, uh, enough water, which is, uh, one gallon per person per day for about four days in my house. I would put it in five-gallon buckets or in a bathtub. You want to stay, though, in the center of the house. Here's the other thing people don't realize. The first time in probably 100 years, our water system is as frail or as fragile as our food system we depend on it being pumped to us we don't have wells like we used to have uh most people don't so if you've got a large room and

you get in the middle of it excuse me and you have uh some sleeping bags maybe a few games for the kids to play. Off to the side, a covered pail to use as a toilet. Put a plastic bag inside of it and a cover on it, and you can change the plastic bags if it gets bad enough. But you need to have food for about four days. You need to have water for about four days. You need to have water for about four days. If there are four people in the family, you need 16 gallons of water. One gallon per one day per one person.

That's called the rule of three. Staying in the center of your house does this. Plugging the doors with blankets. If you've got enough tape, do it. But turn your HVAC system off. The air outside your house is gonna be contaminated. If you keep that outside of the air inside your house, what you have happen is the radiation

will come through a window. You don't have to have shielding like they say. It helps if you got a window. You don't have to have shielding, like they say. It helps if you've got a basement. Excuse me. I mean, you don't have to be in a lead-shielded room or concrete-shielded room. It helps to be in that.

But if you're in the middle of your house, a physics principle comes in with nuclear weapons comes into play called the inverse square rule which means this if you have a thousand rankins that's deadly outside your house it comes through one foot it diminishes every one foot 25 percent so instead of 1 000 rankins one foot within your inside your window in your space there's there's no radiation that's come in there it's just that the level coming through drops to 25 percent a further foot that it goes it drops to another 25%. So 1,000 Rankins is deadly. 250 Rankins over a period of time will kill you.

It's also a time-related thing. But just the simplicity. One foot inside, 1,000 drops to 250. Another foot, it drops to 62.5. Another foot, it drops around 16. Another foot, which is is total of four feet if you're within uh further than four feet away from your your windows in a center of a room with no air movement from the outside you're basically in in uh the about the same level as a radio uh as a uh x-ray would give you now you don't have to stay there for months like everybody thinks you can stay there probably two

days here's what else comes into play there's uh with nuclear explosions there's something called the 710 rule which means this every uh every hold on a minute I forgot one um um this this is also diminishing over distance uh or diminishing over time for every one hour say you had fall out of a thousand rankins which is deadly if you walk out and stay in an hour you're so irradiated that uh and irradiation is like invisible bullets going through your body it literally causes a hemorrhage inside but if that thousand rankins is out there for one hour after one hour it drops to uh uh seven tenths of what it was and it continues to go down for every hour thereafter so there's two factors time and distance and if you stay in the middle of your house and stay there for two or three days the radiation level uh there's factors involved in this i don't want to go into but the radiation level will generally be safe maximum one week but i would say four days i don't know if any place

in this country uh would get hit bad. But guarantee yourself one thing. Before there is an all-out attack on the United States of any kind, they'll set an EMP off. And that EMP will kill everything that's electronic. Our electrical system will go down. Our water system will go down. So if you're inside that house at least four days later, you most likely are going to be able to walk out with your wife and kids

and generally be safe. That's because the radiation is decaying and the half-life is there. And I had a good question as we're thinking about that. You say in general four days, you know, as kind of a rule of thumb. Has the type of radiation that they used is that changed because different radioactive materials have a different half-life or is that still just uh you know kind of a general rule of thumb we don't know exactly i guess you know what kind of um uh radiation you're going to be exposed to what kind of element radioactive elements but i guess uh you know four

days at that point that decay is going to it's going to be neutralized right yeah look people have to understand one thing this is not like chernobyl if you have a radiation leak it's like a it's like a container of gasoline getting tipped over that's a radiation leak if you have a nuclear explosion it's like that pale exploding if you're far away from the explosion all you're going to have is carbon and water from the explosion most likely in the air an explosion and a radiation leak are two totally different things uh chernobyl yeah maybe 20 000 years they can get back into that place because it was a leak the explosion basically consumes much of the energy from the interaction of the uh the u-235 u-238 exchange it it's it's eliminated in the explosion the point being that this stuff

is going to drop all over outside your house but it's going to go away it's it's and that's really important i think that's what a lot of people don't really understand because you do think about that you know chernobyl i remember they had uh the top gear that, you know, with Chernobyl. I remember they had the Top Gear crew, you know, drove through there, and they're looking at the radiation that's still really very strong there. And that's what people don't realize. It's not going to be this persistent thing in an explosion like we see with Chernobyl. And that's important, I think. No, and if you go into the blast area, it's going to be high radioactive there.

The fireball, the fireball actually is probably a mile to two miles. The fireball is the only area that radioactivity will be fused into water molecules. Otherwise, outside there, it doesn't attach to water molecules. It attacks the impurities in the water model. But people confuse Chernobyl with a nuclear explosion. Two totally different things. Like spilling a can of gasoline versus it exploding. Yeah.

When it explodes, you're going to have shrapnel from the can, and you're going to have a blast effect, but you're not going to have any gasoline left. That is really important. And again, you know, people need to, you know, we need to try to do what we can, but there really isn't much that we can do to influence these politicians. They're influenced by the amount of money they're making. And we just had another thing come out of another,

and this is John Solomon who really is careful about his research he says he just found another hundred and twenty million that the Bidens got out of Burisma you know there's just so much there it's just the cesspool and so you know we're not really I don't think we're gonna be able to influence anything to to do this so we've got prayers that's you know it isn't the last thing that we do it's the first thing we do to pray about this. And that's really about the only way that we're going to influence the outcome of this, but it's important to prepare.

But I tell people to listen to you. I listened to the radio coming home on a radio station. I listened to, and it's a syndicated news. And they were talking all about the Georgia indictments against Trump. Trump is a criminal, you know, and now you're telling me $120 million coming out of, you know, corruption money. I'd like to, I'd like to, I'm a tooth and eyes guy. I would like to propose that they take 10 billion of this money they're sending to the ukraine or israel and fix americans teeth and give them vision care what happened to our great obamacare system i was

supposed to take care of all of that i saw the prettiest lady the other day i won't say where but she was she was in a store and she was very conscious about the fact she had a tooth missing and i i didn't say anything to her but i know she can't get it a fix because i know what that stuff costs a thousand dollars that's right fix americans teeth yeah give them vision care that's what we need to do i mean we're giving 160 billion to oh they're not going to do anything to help us they're looking at how they can shut down our food supply i mean they you know how do we how do we have an excuse so we can kill all the cattle i mean it's just it's crazy what they're doing we don't have

to talk to any of these americans again listen to them they are they are laser focused on harming us and that's both parties and that's everybody in washington that's why i say you know our hope is in god and uh where we work needs to be at our local level, I think. And certainly we all experienced that during 2020. We know that it was either better or worse depending on your local government. It is truly always interesting to talk to you, Jack. And again, folks, if you want to see what he was just talking about, that chapter is available for free. You can also see the chapter on how to make sure that you've got water that's going to last. That's also available for free. You can also see the chapter on how to make sure that you've got

water that's going to last. That's also available for free. Those are two of the key things, especially in the world that we live in right now. But that'll give you an idea of just how thorough his work is in Civil Defense Manual, civildefensemanual.com. It is a great resource. I had somebody contact me and said, yeah, I got this, and it was worth more than 10 times what I paid for it. So I agree with that. I've looked at this, and everybody that I've shown it to is just amazed at how thorough and extensive it is.

And it's great advice because it's not just about physical stuff. It's also about relationships. And you're not going to make this as a lone ranger. You need to have that community that's there. Thank you so much for joining us, Jack it thank you thank you well that's it folks for today's show thank you for joining us have a great weekend and we'll talk to you hopefully on monday