The David Knight Show - INTERVIEW: Biden's Death Cult: 18,000+ New Abortion Clinics

Episode Date: January 19, 2023

There's a reason why for 30 yrs the abortion pill required physician involvement. But now women can get it from big box retailers. Susan Swift, Vice President of Legal Affairs at The Right to Life League joins to talk about the far implications, legal and moralFind out more about the show and where you can watch it at TheDavidKnightShow.com If you would like to support the show and our family please consider subscribing monthly here:SubscribeStar https://www.subscribestar.com/the-david-knight-showOr you can send a donation through Mail: David Knight POB 994 Kodak, TN 37764Zelle: @[e-mail] App at: $davidknightshowBTC to: bc1qkuec29hkuye4xse9unh7nptvu3y9qmv24vanh7Money is only what YOU hold: Go to DavidKnight.gold for great deals on physical gold/silverBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-david-knight-show--2653468/support.

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Main market excluding specials and place bets. Terms apply. Bet responsibly. 18plusgamblingcare.ie Joining us now is Susan Swift. She is an attorney, a pro-life attorney. And I want to get her on to talk about what is happening with this new move, this new FDA rule. But I want to begin with the problem with this abortion pill. So thank you for joining us, Susan. Thanks so much for having me on, David. It's a real privilege. Well, thank you.

Let's talk a little bit about this abortion pill. Tell people what the issues are with it. Sure. The drug is called mithopristone. It's also referred to as RU486. And to give you just a little bit of background, RU486 was developed in France in, I believe, in the 80s, 90s. And so it was manufactured there as an abortifacient. And it was actually introduced into this country through the Clinton administration. I remember that. It's been around for a long time. I remember Rush Limbaugh saying, are you 46? It's like 86ing people.

It's just amazing how long this thing's been around. But now it's taken on a whole new level, hasn't it? Yes. thing's been around but now it's taken on a whole new level hasn't it yes and what well the clinton administration worked with the rockefeller population council to import the drug that is made in china into the united states so it really has an interesting history um the drug operates by interrupting the natural production of progesterone, which is the maternal hormone that maintains the placenta and the uterus, the uterine lining, so that the growing baby, the developing baby is nourished and grows. Okay. If you, if you have a sudden drop in progesterone, um, the baby starves to death, dies. Okay. So mifepristone operates in that way. That's that. And Mifepristone is the first drug

of the two drug cocktail that is called a chemical abortion. The abortion cartel doesn't like to call it a chemical abortion because it sounds like drugs because it is. So sometimes the abortion cartel calls it with a nicer name, the medication abortion, because that sounds like you're taking medicine, right? But the purpose of this drug cocktail, mifepristone, and then followed by misoprostol, is to first starve the baby to death by depriving it of the nutrients in the placenta and the uterine lining. And then when the baby is dead, then you take misoprostol, which is about 48 hours later, and that creates premature labor. It creates very powerful uterine contractions so that you expel the dead baby or the dying

baby in some cases because misoprostol is not safe for women because it's limited to the first 10 weeks, sometimes 12 weeks. The FDA is a little fuzzy on that, but the first 12 weeks of gestation. Prior to you asking me about the FDA ruling, there's something in the FDA called REMS, which is Risk Evaluation and Mitigation Strategies. Very fancy name for we need to weigh the benefits of the the drug versus the side effects so that's what REMS is it's a bit of a scale if you will and they have been the FDA under the Obama administration and now the Biden administration has been loosening the rules the REMS the risk evaluation for Mifeprix.

Call it RU486. RU486. People know that. Yeah, that's easier to say. Yeah, and they do need to know, people need to know that RU486 is an abortion drug. Yes. It's not, it's sometimes confused with Plan B, which is a different drug that tries to act as a contraceptive, but sometimes can also act as an abortifacient. I think in a way that we could remember that, that drug kind of sounds like Mephistopheles.

Yes, it does. I'm going to steal that. Mephistopheles. That's what they were aiming for. I don't know, but it does seem satanic what they're doing. And, of course, that would be one of the risk evaluation procedure would be one of the things that they would want to do to make sure that the baby is, you know, for the health of the mother. They always want to talk about women's health. They would want to make sure that the baby is not so far along because what happens if the baby, you know, they want to evaluate how old the baby is. What happens if the baby is more than 12 weeks? What happens to the mother at that point in time? Well, there are a lot of risks that are associated and this is all from the FDA website. Now here's some of the data is inconsistent because we in

America, we don't collect a lot of data on abortion because the abortion cartel wants to mask it as privacy and things. And some states collect data, some don't. So we don't have a full and complete all 50 states. But what we do know from the data that has been collected is that 26 women have died from in association with taking this, you know, Mifflabrix. That's what has happened. We also know that there are over 3,600, there might be more adverse reactions such as hemorrhaging, sepsis, which is a blood infection that can become like toxic, toxic blood. You can have to have an additional surgical procedure to remove pieces of the fetus or the baby that did not survive.

We also know from the reports in the Daily UK Mail and other places where a woman will take the drug later than 12 weeks. Sometimes women are sometimes historically just inaccurate. They don't know exactly when their period ended or when it started. And so they can self-report inaccuracy. They can say, I think I'm about 10 weeks along, especially if they're told by the abortion cartel that the abortion pill should only be taken, you know, 12 weeks or under. Well, they're not stupid.

If they want to have an abortion pill, sometimes they genuinely don't know, or maybe they just guess and they want to come in and say, well, I think I'm 12 weeks. And then what used to happen under REMS, under this guidance that would evaluate the risk, it was required that to take mifepristone, you had to go in person to see a doctor,

to see a nurse, to get an ultrasound dating of your pregnancy so we would know how far you were along. The entire point of that was to protect the mother. So we could say, oh, well, you're 10 weeks along. I guess you can have this lethal drug. But if you take it after 12 weeks, the risk of complications shoot up. In fact, I think there's another study coming out of Charlotte Lozier has this, and I don't

have it at the tip of my fingers, but it's showing, you know, the data of the adverse reactions is much greater than what has been reported in the FDA. So like 500% more adverse reactions, especially the later you take it. There was one woman who took the, she was prescribed the drug by her doctor and she was 30 weeks along, 30 weeks, which is definitely past viability. And she delivered a baby boy who then died four days later. There was another woman, I believe in Alabama, who guessed wrong about her period, took the drug. She was actually 12 or 13 weeks along and took the drug, or no,

farther along than that. And at 20 between 21 and 22 weeks she thought she had she had taken it in at the right time she was 21 or 22 weeks and she delivered a baby and she said had i known that it had that the baby was farther along that i would not have taken this drug so there's a there's an issue of consent and being informed as well. But again, these REMs, the risk evaluation, it only focuses on the health of the mother. Because we know what this drug does to babies. The purpose is to kill the baby, to starve the baby to death, and then to expel the baby, either dead or dying, from the uterus. The problem is sometimes it's not all the way expelled. The baby, part of the placenta is still left left and you can hemorrhage to death. So there are some serious risks associated

with the drug. But again, we're not collecting all the data. We don't really want to report the data because of course that would hamper the abortion cartels business of now it's, I think according to the Guttmacher Institute, which is the right-hand arm of Planned Parenthood, it gathers a lot of data. It reported in 2020 that most abortions, 54, 54% of all abortions are chemical abortions with these drugs. So that's big business, especially when you consider Planned Parenthood is losing market share. They've lost many, many states where they can't go in and do the surgical abortions and profit to the tune of $500 a procedure. And now they're competing with the drug cartels, right? Yes.

With big pharma. And pretty soon, they're going to be competing with Walgreens and CVS. Because Walgreens and CVS have said, oh, the rounds have changed. And the FDA just very recently, this is just in January 3rd, I believe it was, indicated, oh, well, pharmacies can now dispense this drug. At LiveScoreBet, we love Cheltenham just as much as we love football. The excitement, the roar and the chance to reward you. That's why every day of the festival, we're giving new members money back as a free sports bet up to 10 euro if your horse loses on a selected race. That's how we celebrate the biggest week in racing. Cheltenham with LiveScore Bet. This is total betting.

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So we had to have a way to just have a telehealth visit so that the woman could self-report just on the telephone and then the doctor could prescribe these pills. That suspension of the in-person requirement was made permanent, I believe, in December 2021 by the Biden administration. And now, December 2022, now they have indicated, FDA has indicated, well, the ban on in-person is permanent now.

You can prescribe, anyone can prescribe by telehealth medicine. So we'll open this up and we will allow big box pharma like Walgreens and CVS to, you know, deliver the prescription right there. You know, if you bring in a prescription, we'll just hand you the drug. As you pointed out in the literature you sent to me, you characterized it, said now they're going to have, they're going to be able to open up 18,000 plus new abortion centers by doing this. Exactly. It's amazing. The reason I'm saying that is because when you can go and get this abortion drug, this mifepristone, that makes it an abortion clinic.

Because that's all that you used to do. You would go into Planned Parenthood or some other provider and you'd say, I want this pill. And what they do in in-person interview, they would scan you to make sure you were under 12 weeks. And then they would have to actually give you the pill and watch you ingest it. That was part of the safety protocol, too, because they wanted to know when do you take the first pill? And then they give you the second pill to take at home 24, 48, I'm sorry, 48 hours later so that you can then go into preterm labor and deliver that dead baby into the toilet. That was their plan. But at least they knew when you took the first pill.

Now that's all. Now you just go stop at your pharmacy and you take it whenever. There is no doctor supervising the woman at all to protect her health. And that's because the Biden administration through the FDA has removed all of these restrictions that were put in place to protect women, never mind the dead baby that they're trying to abort. Yeah, we've seen this happen with a rush to get the vaccines out. They don't want to look at any of the side effects. They don't want to do any testing. Health is no longer a consideration for the FDA.

It's a revolving door for these people, just like we've seen the last two FDA commissioners go straight to Moderna and Pfizer. It's just a revolving door for industry. And they just whitewash anything that they want. But I remember when Abby Johnson, who has become very active in the pro-life movement. She used to manage an abortion clinic. And while she was there, uh, she took one of these pills and she talked about how she nearly died, uh, you know, on the floor for a day or two by herself and nobody to help her. Uh, it was an amazing story. It's been a while since I've heard it. I talked to her once and interviewed her once and she gave me the story.

But it was truly an amazing story about what it did. And now this is going to be, as you pointed out, without any supervision, without any evaluation of how far along the baby is. This is something, if they say that they care about women's health reminds me of what happened with Gosnell and the fact that he ran this horrible clinic. You had a woman who died there, and there were some babies that he was convicted of murdering as well. But in response to that, you had several states say, well, we want to make sure that you can get gurneys through the hallways and through the doorways because that was part of the problem. Lady was bleeding out

there and they couldn't get the emergency stretchers through. Also, he didn't have a good connection to a hospital to get emergency care. So they put those two types of stipulations in there. I was living in Texas at the time that was in, and that created a massive protest because these women who said they care about women's health wanted to shut down these safeguards. And that's what's been done now by the FDA at a national level, isn't it? That's exactly right, because this is really, this is not about the women's health. Abortion has become, remember way back in the day, it used to be the chant was safe, legal, and rare. That was, that was the, the feminist take on it. Safe, legal, and rare. Um, of course it, we, everybody wants every medical procedure to be safe. Nobody is arguing about that.

Legal. Well, it's now abortion on demand 24 seven. I shout my abortion. Now, of course, we're, we're going to get to the point if this continues the way it is, they're going to get rid of the prescription. They're just going to say, you don't even need a prescription. We'll just sell it to you like Plan B. Because, again, Plan B acts most of the time as a contraceptive, but can also act as an abortifacient. In fact, the FDA is rewriting the advertising on the box of Plan B, trying to say, well, you really can't call Plan B an abortifacient. And yet, in its literature, for years, it can interfere with, if the egg implants in the uterus it can act as an abortifacient well it what it does is if there's already a fertilized egg that's a human being that's the start of life if it prevents implantation that is an abortifacient yeah suppressing ovulation

that's a contraceptive i get it but once you've had ovulation and then that and that that egg has been fertilized and is now a human being, right, a little cell that's dividing, to prevent it from implanting, that's not contraception. That's an abortifacient. But the FDA is trying to whitewash Plan B as well to say, well, no, it's really just a contraceptive. You can't call it an abortifacient So that that's that's medical misinformation right there And now of course we have the FDA with this a myth of bros tone myth of brisstone trying to say that well We can just do this just you know It's hella health in person and then you just go to the pharmacy pretty soon They're gonna get rid of that probably and they're gonna probably go to you know, over-the-counter just go

You know, so long as you identify as a person who may become pregnant. Yes, that's right. I guess I'd include men now as well. That's a new profit center for my parent. They can do chemical sterilizations now, so they can branch out into that new area, and they can branch out to a new gender as well. We had a moment of clarity in this Born Alive Act that was debated and voted on in Congress. We had a Democrat congresswoman, I've played the clip a couple of times, where she gets up and talks about her Christian beliefs.

And she actually quoted, I've known you, created you in the womb and that type of thing. And then says, so I want the government out of my womb as a Christian. None of it made any sense. But what it showed was when these people voted and there were 210 votes against it and all of them were Democrats, what it showed was they did, they just support infanticide. Because we're not even talking about a baby that's in the womb anymore. When the baby, you've tried to kill the baby and the baby survived and it's there on the table and you're going to kill it. That shows their hand. We've always argued that this is a different person.

This is not the woman's body. There's two bodies involved here. And so these people want to take it to the extent that the mother can kill the baby even after the baby is born. That is a new threshold that's been crossed. And it's amazing to watch these people. As I said, it was a moment of clarity where they self-exposed what they really believe. It's about infanticide. We need to control the language.

We need to define what this stuff is because they always use these euphemisms. As you were pointing out, they have so many of them about every aspect of this at live score bet we love cheltenham just as much as we love football the excitement the roar and the chance to reward you that's why every day of the festival we're giving new members money back as a free sports bet up to 10 euro if your horse loses on a selected race. That's how we celebrate the biggest week in racing. Cheltenham with LiveScore Bet. This is Total Betting. Sign up by 2pm 14th of March.

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dehumanizing people. And to reflect back on what you just said about the congressional vote, what this bill was supposed to do, there's already infant born alive protection under federal law. What this bill was trying to do was set some sort of standard of medical care so that, okay, here's the minimum. You have to do these basic things. You have to contact a hospital. So basically to define what a doctor should be doing. And that was what they stood on that, well, we can't regulate the doctors. But I do hold out a little bit of hope because it passed 220 and that was all of the Republicans and one pro-life Democrat. So the issue of life is truly bipartisan.

I know it's imbalanced right now, but we really need to appeal to all pro-life individuals because this issue is about humanity. And how do we treat individuals with compassion. It's interesting. I was just scrolling through my Facebook feed, and I stumbled upon an interesting story about a mother sheep, a ewe, who had delivered a baby sheep, a lamb, that was stillborn and was crying all night in the field because her baby lamb had died. And another sheep in the fold had twin lambs at the same time. And the farmers who were taking care of it observed that the sheep with the two lambs appeared to and had already given over to the mother who had lost the lamb, one of her extra twin babies. So that now both sheep have, you know, one has a lamb and the other one is basically the adopted mother. And I just thought, we can learn so much from these sheep.

Why not just give the baby a chance to live and hand it to someone else? If you don't want to abstain from activities that are going to produce babies, if you don't want to kill a baby, which you never should, how about adoption? What's wrong with that option? Because you don't have to parent, but why do we have to kill babies? Again, we're going back to the, you have to track the money. You have to follow the money. The abortion cartel is a massive money-making machine, and now it's joining forces with big pharma. So it really is. It's all about manufacturing and making drugs that abort these babies. And then, of course, we can probably start selling the tissues as well, because that's part of the David Daleiden has revealed a lot of that, that the abortion industry is all about.

It's like we're harvesting a crop. It's very thick, but it's all about the money. And it probably comes through government. And I know it comes through state taxes and different things. We are supporting an industry, an industry like a travel agency, right? We're supporting an industry whose product is dead human babies. And we as American citizens should be horrified, and we should put a stop to it immediately we should do everything in our power to say especially babies who have survived abortions that was the purpose of that bill on the floor and yes you're right now if they it was very telling i'm so glad that the uh... the the conservative wing of the

and the the majority party has forced kevin uh...y to actually bring things like this single issues to the floor, because then we can actually see how these people vote and where their allegiance lies. Is it with life or is it with death? That's true. You know, and that was the thing that the lady who says, well, I'm a mother and, uh, you know, so forth and so on. And she reads from the Bible and it's like, do you realize that what you just read from the Bible establishes personhood? Because that's always been the issue, personhood. When does personhood begin?

Well, if you believe the Bible, it begins at conception, and it begins when God plans this person's life. And so she violates it, and then she says, you've got to get out of my womb, and again, the baby is already out of the womb. None of the stuff that she said made any sense, but it was really amazing to see that. That story that you had about the lamb, you know, as we look at that, it makes me think what has happened to maternal instincts in our society. They have been purged out by the media, by society,

by education, occasional institutes. It's unnatural what has happened. That's one of the most unnatural things. Everybody looks at the transgender stuff and what they're doing to kids. That's extremely and obviously unnatural. But to alienate a mother's affection for children, that is the most unnatural thing. You talk about that story, and as you're talking about it, I'm thinking of the story of Solomon. We have the two mothers, and one of them's baby dies, and the other one steals the baby because she wants to be a mother.

And he has a famous decision to say, well, just cut the baby in half and give half to each of them. And the real mother steps forward, who has even more love and even more maternal instinct. We have driven that out of our society. It's amazing to me to see that. Animals know better. We're worse than base animals now at this point.

The interesting thing that you're pointing out is everywhere, what you're seeing is cultural Marxism. Yes. This is an attempt to separate all of the different normal things that a healthy society is based upon we are dividing men and women now we're even we're now even redefining what a woman is we have a we have a supreme court justice who can't tell you what a woman is yeah because she's not a biologist yeah i mean she's a marxist she won't She won't tell you because she's a Marxist. Exactly. These are all aspects of cultural Marxism to divide and to conquer because that is how the state takes over individual liberty. That is the real threat. And you're right billions to you know to foment a war in Ukraine it's a proxy war against Russia

we're spending billions everywhere but yet we don't even have one billion to try to to support women who want to have their babies but are in you know crisis pregnancies or who are you know at the they're in poverty and they don't know what to do we we can and abortion if we are much more compassionate those women say well what do you really need up it's all about a culture of life that this is exactly what the what the rights to life League does we come alongside

these different pro-life clinic centers and homes in California we do anything that helps them keep their doors open because there the boots on the ground here in California. They come alongside these women, they big sister them. They say, look, you do not have to kill your baby. We will help you with, you know, life counseling if you need it. Do you need rent? Do you need a baby car seat? What is it that you need? Maybe you just need a friend, a compassion, somebody who's walked that walk, who's gone through it and who is a single mother alone, right? There are resources out there. And yet our government is not investing in motherhood. Our government is not investing in trying to build families. They're doing the exact opposite.

They are pitting mother against child, right? With all of the financial stress on mothers, we're not helping them. And then we're actually providing them through the FDA and the REMS. We're giving them the easy way out. We're saying, oh, well, you can just take a pill and you can abort it in the toilet and nobody will be the wiser. That is so, as you said, it's an attack on maternal instinct. It's an attack on motherhood. And is it any wonder? Because women are no longer revered as women. We have men competing in women's sports. It's like women are not even protected as a class of gender anymore, because that is somehow intolerant to recognize biological differences. differences that's what this woke culture is doing to divide us and it is all cultural marxism and abortion is kind of the tip of the spear because again if you can get a mother to kill her own baby that they have most of them have terrible regrets sometimes 20 30 years later because they realize

what they've done and they suffer for that but we're not addressing that we're putting a band-aid on and saying oh well yeah you just go ahead and have an abortion it's okay we don't counsel you about your life about you know next time let let's let's you know think about what we're doing do you have better choices all of those things that that build a family and a return to uh those kind of values that say we revere life we revere families weere women. They're not to be used as sexual objects. We can't one night stands and then discard them. But that's what we've done. And that's what these women are now doing to their own babies

because they've been used. And our society is not responsive to the needs of these women, the most vulnerable women in our society yet they're just given a drug and said well go go in the toilet you'll be fine in two days you'll be fine and then come back to work take the pill on Friday and then on Monday you'll be fine you come back to work because the corporate cogs need to be in place for our economy it's very sad and it's also sad to see the vitriol directed at crisis pregnancy centers and people who do help, like Right to Life League and others, people who are trying to help women, who are trying to help the baby.

And you look at Elizabeth Warren, she just almost spits when she talks about crisis pregnancy centers and wants to shut them all down and attack them. You have the FBI doesn't care when somebody sets one of them on fire. They don't want to investigate it at all. It's absolutely amazing to see, but it is, again, it is a very telling moment, a moment of revelation to see how they react to this. And you get a sense for what their real agenda is. And it's certainly not about women's health. That was another bill that the Congress, I think, narrowly passed, right, I think on the same day, they passed a bill that would condemn, I believe it was to condemn the domestic violence against pro-life clinics, just to say, look, they're being firebombed. I remember reading

the bill, and it just listed there was over 60 different incidences where there's graffiti or firebombing or, you know vandalism of some kind and they wanted to simply condemn that as an act and again it was i i believe three democrats voted in favor of the bill so it was i think you know slightly more than the you know 220 so it's like 202 222 but most of the other democrats voted against a bill at live score betcore Bet, we love Cheltenham just as much as we love football. The excitement, the roar, and the chance to reward you.

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that said, look, we condemn these acts of violence. This is domestic terrorism. Groups like Jane's Revenge and Jane Sent Us, right, that they're going after pro-life clinics. But yet you've got to remember, our own DOJ has targeted a pro-life man who has, you know, seven kids, and they went and arrested him at the point of guns, right, at gunpoint, because he goes out to, you know, abortion centers and prays and says, you can't, you can't come in here, please don't come in here and kill your baby.

And so they're targeting pro-life activists, right, simply for exercising their First Amendment right. And then they're allowing, tacitly allowing and encouraging these terrorist groups like Jane's Revenge and Jane Sent Us. You know, they're sending these people out tacitly to go and attack and terrorize these pro-life clinics. We actually gave a clinic, kind of an HR training boot camp, if you will, to our member clinics and centers and homes and kind of went through some safety protocols. This was right before the Dobbs decision came down because they didn't know what to do. What do we have to do? And do you report this to the FBI? Yes, we did. We ourselves got death threats through our emails and our phone line here, just because all we do is we advocate,

please don't kill babies. Please consider adoption. Please consider other options that you might have. For that, we are attacked. It boggles my mind. Yet, half of our Congress doesn't recognize this as a very dangerous threat, a serious threat to safety. People who work at these clinics, most of them are, a lot of them are volunteers, most of them are very underpaid and they just do it for the good of it because they want to give crisis, you know, basically women who are in crisis pregnancies another option to reassure them and tell them it's okay. And yet people like Senator Elizabeth Warren or our Attorney General Rob Bonta in California,

they're trying now to go after these clinics by looking at their website and saying, you are guilty of misinformation and misadvertising. And it might be fraudulent what you're saying on your website, because if you claim that you're offering reproductive care, but you don't offer abortion, well, that's not comprehensive reproductive care, is it? So they're going to be crawling around up in the websites to attack and to shut down a business that simply offers hope and security and help to women who want to keep their baby. It's not like pro-life clinics drag women out of abortion clinics and say, oh, you can't do that.

No, no, no. They just simply advertise and then stand outside perhaps on the sidewalk and say, I'll talk to you if you have other options. Please don't kill your baby. I'll talk to you. These are sidewalk counselors. No one is blocking entrances to Planned Parenthood. No one is threatening women not to have an abortion.

They're simply trying to minister to women who are open to it. They say, okay, I'll talk to you. That's how we have to attract them. We're not allowed to capture them and drag them in by their hair or something, but that's the way that this rabid pro-abort mob is characterizing

pro-life centers, clinics, and homes. They don't want to inform choice at all. And it's going to get to the extent, as we've already seen in the UK, a woman arrested because she's standing silently. They said, are you praying? Well, I might be. Okay, you're under arrest, you know, outside of an abortion clinic. Absolutely insane what is happening.

But of course, you're in California, and California is kind of ground zero for this collusion with big pharmaceutical companies, with Planned Parenthood. I think one of the reasons why this may be happening now, just a guess, but Javier Becerra, who used to be the Attorney General there, is now head of HHS. FDA is under his umbrella there. And he took over from Kamala Harris. I call her Lala Harris. He took over from her because, you know, coming after David Daleiden. And what we found in discovery of that as he's going through a horrific ordeal personally,

but the fruit of that has been that we found out that it was the NIH, Francis Collins and Fauci, who were one of the biggest customers of this trafficking in baby body parts, using it to create humanized mice. I mean, it's just unbelievable how evil this whole thing is and how many politicians are building their career on it. Yeah. Well, we know from the documents from University of California, San Francisco, or yeah, San Francisco, that's kind of ahead of where they

train abortionists. And they, they, they actually need baby tissues, like little kidneys and brain and heart and genital organs. They harvest and they actually have procedures. This has all been exposed by pro-life San Francisco pro-life sf. dot org is i think their website and they've been exposing this to show what type of bizarre uh harvesting of fetal tissue is going on in the name of science at ucsf because that's how they're educating abortionists well this is inhumane because what they want to do is they want to make sure that the tissues are very, very fresh, you see. They have to be, you know, you can't give certain injections that kill the baby before you remove the tissues, right? Because that will start eroding the tissue. It's called digoxin.

That's it. Digoxin. And that's a chemical that, you know, kills the baby, but it ruins the tissue. And so we don't want to use that because we really want to harvest the baby's tissue very fresh. And this is going on at UCSF. So, I mean, this is all a business. It's a business to fund research, as you were saying, Dr. Fauci and all this. And you're absolutely right. Becerra came out of California and is now, he was the one that, the case NIFLA versus Becerra was, NIFLA is a national organization that required pro-life clinics to advertise that they were going to have to say,

well, if you want an abortion here, we'll give you referrals. I believe if I'm remembering the case correctly. And it went all the way to the Supreme Court and the Supreme Court says, no, this is First Amendment protected speech and you can't mandate it, Javier Becerra. So NIFLA versus Becerra is controlling Supreme Court law now. And it's a First Amendment case. They've been so hostile to informed consent, whether it is about the right to life or whether it is about the right to choose whether or not you want an abortion. It's amazing. And the commercial aspect of it is very clear as well. You know, when you're talking about the fresh kill aspect of these abortions. We talked about that for a while.

It was interesting that in the debate about redefining when brain death occurs so that they can get organ donation, and that underscored and showed, again, how they want to make sure that they grab the organs all at once because after the person dies, it deteriorates very rapidly. And so that underscored what we had always been saying about the fact that the baby needed to be born alive and then they would kill it by extracting the organs.

And that really shows what happens if we ignore and do not value life. They will do that to us on the back end of life as well. It's full circle. When we start talking about, well, brain death and when they're going to grab the organs, if we don't defend that on babies, then it will happen to adults at the end of their life. And let's talk a little bit about the other aspect of this, because it brings up some troubling consequences for people who work as pharmacists and don't want to be involved in providing abortions. As you point out in your flyer here, I thought this was excellent.

Besides opening up 18,000 plus abortion clinics nationwide by pushing this out through the big box retailers like CVS and Walgreens. And of course, I'm sure it'll be in all the different grocery stores that have pharmacies. They will do the same thing. When I go through the grocery store, I hear all these ads about get your COVID vaccine and so forth. It's a profit center for them. So I'm sure that they got pharmacies so they could fill this prescription. But I like what you had to say here. Can I have some ivermectin? No.

Can I have pain medication for my kids because they have limited purchasing of ibuprofen and acetaminophen? No, you can't have that. Can I have opioids and an abortion pill? Oh, yeah, you can have that. And you can get a vaccine, too. Right, right, you can't have that. Can I have opioids and an abortion pill? Oh, yeah, you can have that. And you can get a vaccine, too. Right, right, yeah. It's amazing. It's amazing.

Big Pharma is all about the money now. It's really not about health. But talk about the aspect of the people who are there that are going to be forced to provide this now or get kicked out of their job. I mean, how many times are they going to say, well, I'm not forcing you to do anything. You can choose to do this or I'm going to fire you, that type of thing. That's one of the big concerns is the conscience protection. Yes. And I don't remember this exactly, but I think there's something going through Congress on

this. And I'm sorry, I can't recall it, but it is a huge concern because if I am a pro-life pharmacist, right? And I don't believe that I can in good conscience prescribe an abortion pill because I know, you know, myth of Chris Stone, the purpose is, you know,

basically it's being used for an abortion. And let's say I'm a Catholic pharmacist. I said, well, I can't dispense this drug. There are laws, I think, going through California, and I'm trying to remember exactly what it is, but they're trying to force people who have a conscience that says, I can't do this, to do it anyway. And so that you can be intimidated. You might lose your job because you say, I can't fill this prescription. Because, again, now this prescription is health care. You see, abortion is health care. You see,

death is health care. That's the first lie that they started telling 50 years ago. This was Margaret Sanger and her buddy, Alan Guttmacher. They tried to align health care with abortion. And that's the first lie they've live giving telling and this for 50 years They've been telling women that abortion is your fundamental right as health care And now they're taking away your rights your fundamental rights and this is this is the crazy that they're doing nevermind that they're there at where the threshold of requiring doctors and Pharmacists to perform abortions against their own

conscience and say you know if you're an abortion if you're an OBGYN you have the training to perform an abortion but what if you did say I am NOT going to perform an abortion that there's no the mother's life is not in jeopardy and that's another whole lie that they they always say well it's the mother's health there there is always at live score bet we love Cheltenham just as much as we love football. The excitement, the roar, and the chance to reward you. That's why every day of the festival, we're giving new members money back as a free sports bet up to €10

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giving birth, the doctor has to do triage, right? And he decides what's the best way that I can get both of them safely through this, right? And at some point, yes, there is the case where perhaps the mother is in labor or there's some sort of problem preeclampsia Who knows an ectopic pregnancy is obvious one, right? Then the doctor has to make a choice and saves the mother's life. That's not that is not out that is not inconsistent with our standards and to say that we To make up some sort of claim that well, we need an exception to abortion for the life of the mother that already exists. What they're trying to do with abortion is saying, well, you know,

for the mental health of the mother. So she's a little stressed out, right? Okay. That's not the same thing as the life of the mother. That is just not the same thing. And, and, and that is another one of these lies that they've been trying to sell, that abortion is somehow health care for the mental health of the mother. That's all a lie. And now we don't. So we're trying to elevate the right to kill a human being over the religious conscience of other people. Because I said, I can't I can't kill a human being. I mean, I'm not I'm not Joseph Mengele. I don't experiment on babies. I'm not Hitler. I don't put people in ovens and kill them.

But you're forcing me to do that because you think you have some sort of superior right to mental health? This is what, again, this is cultural Marxism. This is exactly what this is, and they're setting up this conflict so that they can go after and target pro-life doctors and pro-life pharmacists and anyone in the chain so that they can demonize you and then take you out. And they can threaten you with a loss of job. So this is, it's almost a form of hostile work environment or harassment in a way, but it's coming through the government, through these laws. It's kind of a Milgram experiment, you know? What do you do for the person in authority when he tells you to do this? It truly is.

I'm just following orders type of thing. So this is a workaround that is now being pushed and elevated, perhaps because Javier Becerra is there, but perhaps it's because it's the abortionist industry's reaction to Dobbs. So this is their workaround. You're a lawyer. You are the vice president of legal affairs at the Right to Life League, and we'll talk about the work that happens there in a moment here. But what do we do to go on offense with this? I mean, you're living in California, so you're constantly probably playing defense as the California government is coming after people left and right. But what can we do in other states to change this? I mean, we could have laws enacted at the state level that would stop this over-the-counter sale.

Is that right? Well I think Florida Governor DeSantis recently just came out with a statement and he has sent a letter to all of the pharmacists in in Florida I understand through this article that he said he warned he said look Florida state law prohibits anyone from performing an abortion other than a doctor we have very strict laws here in Florida they allow allow abortion up to 15 weeks, so long as it's performed by a doctor. The doctor has to do an ultrasound and a scan, and it has to basically make some determinations. But that's the law in Florida. And so Governor DeSantis has been very brilliant about it, to go ahead and put all of these pharmacies on alert, that you will be prosecuted if you violate state law

so the the way you fight back is strengthening state laws and a lot of the states have what 19 states have uh meaningful restrictions and that is the way you play this is you say i don't care if the fda is passing out uh you know abortion pills like uh like candy or fentanyl right this is everywhere no we have laws in this state, fill in the blank, Texas or whatever, and we will prosecute pharmacist chains that dispense this drug by, you know, over-the-counter or not over-the-counter, but, you know, by prescription because we don't allow that in our state. So I would look to Florida law if I were crafting a law.

I would look at Florida law and say, well, how did they do it? What are the requirements under their law for performing an abortion? It's with a doctor. I would copy all of that and I would put that in place in all of these other different states because that seems to strengthen it. And then you need to have, of course, an executive branch that has the guts to go after, you know, whether it's Walgreens or CVS or something, and say, no, we're enforcing our state laws. You can't disrespect our state laws. That's right. I would imagine a lot of state laws already define it that way and say, hey, you've got to have an ultrasound. You've got to have a physician who actually does this.

This does not qualify. But as you point out, you've got to have somebody who is actually going to enforce that. I said for years, and I was really, I was so surprised when the Dobbs decision came out because I thought it was just a political football for these people. I said for years, look, you had Roe v. Wade and the Supreme Court came in and said, well, that's a state law,

but we don't care what the state law is. We're going to redefine when life begins and all the rest of this stuff. And I said, well, the appropriate response would have been for the Texas governor at the time to say, well, you made your decision. Let's see you enforce it.

We have the 10th Amendment, which says we make these laws at the local level. And after saying that for years, the Supreme Court agreed with me on Dobbs. So this is a state issue after all. And I knew it was a state issue. We've had all of these Republicans who had campaigned on being pro-life and yet they sat there passively for 50 plus years while over 60 million kids or whatever i think it's around that we're five million yeah 65 yeah we're murdered you know because they didn't have the the guts or the backbone to actually enforce their own law to enforce the powers that they have under the constitution on the 10th amendment so that's what we need is we probably most states probably have that type of thing

saying you have to have a physician do the abortion and it has to be a um an ultrasound or something like that or you know at least a clinic or something you know somebody that is trained evidently with credentials i would imagine most states have that you just have to have somebody's going to enforce it i think oh yeah Oh, yeah. And there you go. We're back to the executive branch and DOJ and things like that. And we have a federal government that is at odds with the laws of our states. It's disrespecting the laws of our states. That's the only thing that Dobbs really did is just said, look, this is not our issue. We have overstepped our bounds as a Supreme Court because we are a court of limited jurisdiction. We really can't handle this.

This is a state's matter. I wish, frankly, they had gone farther. I wish that they had looked at the U.S. Declaration of Independence and said, oh, our rights come from God, not government. We believe that our creator has endowed us with certain inalienable rights, among those being the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Huh, that informs our constitution. The right to life is the very first right. And from that flows freedom. And from freedom allows you to pursue happiness. So without life, you don't have freedom. You don't have liberty. You don't have anything else. So I wish they had looked to, instead of looking back into the common law and all of the different states, it was very good what Alito did, because he documented the history of our laws, that we have never been a pro-abortion

nation, and that put the lie to all of the people who said we were. But I wish he had looked at the Declaration of Independence and said, the right to life. That is what informs our Constitution, because we are a republic and we believe that God gives us these rights. And then as individuals, we collectively dispose those rights upon the states. But he didn't. And that is why we need men and women in our Congress to have a backbone, find one, rent one if necessary, and actually enact a personhood amendment in our Constitution. That's the only way we're going to get this done. Yeah, and it ultimately does come down to personhood. Tell us a little bit about the Right to Life League. Tell us a little bit about your work and what your organization does. Well, the Right to Life League was founded in 1967, So that's long before Roe versus Wade was even a thing.

It's like six years before. And it was formed by a group of doctors and lawyers and concerned citizens who wanted to lobby then-Governor Ronald Reagan against signing the very first therapeutic abortion bill. It's called the Beilenson Bill. And so they went up to Sacramento. They had a 15 minute conference with governor Reagan, which ended up going over an hour, I'm told. And in that conference, he was educated because he learned what an abortion really was. This is before

ultrasound, before we have the science that tells us that this is a human being, separate DNA, everything. And when he understood from these doctors and lawyers, really what an abortion truly is, that it's the murdering of a child in the womb, he was very dismayed because he'd already given his word to the Democrats to sign the Bill and he said, well, I can't break my word, but I give you the Right to Life League, my word that I will never again sign another piece of pro-abortion legislation. And he kept his word all the way through his presidency. So that's how we got started. And from that, we've always tried to fight against bad laws. The second thing that

we have done is always tried to educate the public, as we did with Reagan, about the truth of abortion. Abortion is not health care. Again, if we were talking about saving the life of the mother, you deliver her. You can deliver a woman in mere moments, right? And that will end what preeclampsia or whatever the stress is. You don't have to kill the baby. And in fact, in later situations with the second and third trimester,

an abortion takes days because you have to insert laminaria to expand and soften the cervix so that she can get the tools up in there to rip the baby apart. So that takes days, which risks the mother's health. If you're really talking about life-saving actions, it's delivery of the baby and that would count with an ectopic pregnancy because that's not going to be viable and you can remove the ectopic pregnancy surgically and safely. So that's why abortion is never necessary. Abortion is not

health care. And then the third thing we do, which is our signature, our flagship that I believe no one else in the United States does, is that we help pro-life clinics, centers, and maternity homes in California keep their doors open so that they can minister to these abortion-minded women and change their mind hopefully, right? And come alongside them. So we fund their operations, give them ultrasound machines, we give them all kinds of legal trainings, HR boot camps and answer questions about, well, how can I stay in compliance with all of the corporate laws of California, and there are a lot, and also operate as a medically licensed clinic because that is something that you're doing if you're offering a pregnancy test or an ultrasound. In fact, Gloria Allred sued us long back in the day claiming that these clinics were,

because they were all centers, pro-life centers, none of them were clinics. They were all centers run by a lot of nice church ladies saying, well, we'll offer you a pregnancy test, which back in the day, you had to kill a rabbit or something and it cost 50 bucks. I don't know. So it was not easy. It wasn't something that you could just get over the counter. And so young women would want to get a pregnancy test. These pregnancy centers said, well, we'll give you the test for free, right? And then give them the results in a week or however long it took. Gloria Allred sued these centers and said, you are practicing medicine without a license. And so the Right to Life League stepped up to defend these centers. We lost that case. And Gloria Allred prevailed.

And so all of the medical, like pro-life clinics, if you say you're a clinic, you're a medically licensed clinic in the state of California that means you have there's certain hoops you got to jump through so now we have pro-life wonderful people who a lot of sometimes volunteer come coming out of maybe a church or faith communities and they find themselves the head of you know an executive director the head of a corporate you know board and they're running a medical clinic and how do they? And they don't have the training. So they have to reach out to somebody, right? Who do they call? They call the Right to Life League so that they can get the help they need to keep their doors open.

That's what we do. That's really important because there's so many traps laid for them in the law. As you pointed out, it really is a trap. My wife worked as a volunteer for a crisis pregnancy center years ago and i told her i said the most important thing is ultrasound i said people need to start folk you know start making ultrasound better so that people can really understand what they're looking at you know that's a very powerful animated film i'm sure you've seen it kevin sorbo or what's his name, the actor. Yeah. And he said it was called a procedure. Yes.

And in that, they animated it so that you could see what was happening, but it was based on the experience of an ultrasound guy who knew exactly what he was looking at because he was trained, and it was horrific for them. So the brilliance of that was that they animated that so that we could all see that in detail. But as the technology has advanced, people can see how they're being lied to. And I think that is the fundamental thing there. But you've got to run defense for them. You've got to stand in the gap. You've got to help them. And that's what Right to Life League does. Because again, they're coming after them with the knives out, every kind of legal trap that they can do. And it's amazing to me because these people in the

clinics are just trying to tell people the truth about what is happening. They don't have any benefit out of this thing. They're not making money out of this thing like Planned Parenthood is. People could understand the motivations of all this stuff. It truly is amazing to see the difference between these two different groups. Yes, and really these men and women that are sometimes just volunteering, they don't benefit from any of it. Most of them aren't volunteers. A lot of them don't get paid very well at all, and they're always under attack by Jane's Revenge or people like that, or Rob Bonta, our attorney general general who is now threatening to come

after all of that you know because you're not you're not uh you're being fraudulent and you're using misinformation to describe what you're doing what we're just trying to convince people not to kill their babies we're trying to give them hope right so i guess he's under attack i guess he's angling to become senator or vice president or the head of hhs or something right yeah he just wants to be like senator uh elizabeth warren right He just wants to be like Senator Elizabeth Warren, right? He just wants to be that. Yeah, I'm sure they're angling for something. But it's just despicable because the legal arm is targeting an entire business

which is built just on generosity and charity. And it doesn't sell anything. We have no – you can go to our website, righttolifeleague.org, you know, righttolifeleague.org. We don't sell any merchandise. We're not, we're not in a profit position. We're a nonprofit, right? And, and, and all of these, these pro-life clinics and centers that they're, they're not for profit. They're all trying to just do good. And yet they're being attacked. They're being in the media that they're, they're being smeared and're being in the media, they're being smeared, and now being threatened with legal actions, all because they oppose abortion.

And that, again, follow the money. This is a multi-billion dollar industry, I believe, because the abortion cartel is now connected with big pharma, and they're selling pills and selling procedures. The interesting thing, just to show that it is about money, Planned Parenthood is starting to move into the transgender therapies and the transgender surgeries because they're losing market share, you understand. They've lost 19 states, right? And now they're competing with big pharma and the abortion pill because that's a lot, you know, it's a lot cheaper and you don't get to do the, you don't get to do the surgeries, right? So what is Planned Parenthood going to do? They

are revising their business model to now suggest and market transgender services. Well, what does that mean? That means you have to advertise to kids on TikTok or different places, right? And suggest to them, you might not be a boy. Or if you feel uncomfortable as a girl and you're 12, you might want to consider transgender therapy. We'll chop off your breasts and mutilate your genitals, and you'll feel better. I mean, that's what they're doing, and they're profiting from this. Well, they have a lot of experience in doing that to kids and telling them to hide stuff from their parents, don't they? Of course.

We're going to capitalize on that. Yeah, it's amazing. Absolutely amazing. Well, you are in California. Your organization started in California, but you go beyond California. Is that correct? Well, we confine our services to pro-life clinic centers and homes in California because that is, look, this is where abortion started. And as you said, Becerra came from California.

All of these different, you know, Kamala Harris, right? All of these luminaries in the abortion field, they're starting in California. And so this is the tip of the spear. We, you know, I'm pleased to go on shows like yours that have a national reach and different things, but that's where we're trying to get the word out. We want to educate nationally, but the action is in California to stop this in California and to save babies here. That's right. Yeah, they're kind of the tip of the spear with that. You know, as you were talking about saving the life of the mother and how that has never really been an issue,

that is kind of a canard that they throw out there. It reminded me at the beginning of, we just had, I don't know, there's a continuation of the Game of Thrones and another network had another one that was kind of like that. And I forget which one of the two it was because I don't watch either one of them. But I saw the reports about how they had this bloody birth because this, uh, the King decided that he wanted the baby and they killed the mother.

That's what Hollywood and California is selling to people that the, this ruthless patriarch, uh, decides that he's going to kill his wife because, uh, there's a complication. He's got to decide between one of them. So yeah,

kill her. I'll take the baby. It's absolutely upside down. And it's to decide between one of them. So yeah, kill her. I'll take the baby. It's absolutely upside down. And it's the way that they sell this. And you're right. This really does come from, that is kind of the epicenter of all this stuff in California. It truly is amazing. Yeah, that's the media, the narrative, and all the entertainment business, all of it.

It's all tied in together. And there must be some sort of really dark money or some sort of seedy underbelly that we're just not very aware of because it it foments itself and they come i have not seen either of these shows that you're talking about but it sounds horrific and then but the subliminal message is um it's dangerous to be pregnant and if you have a problem your husband might kill you right or you Your life will be sacrificed for the baby. Instead of, the truth of the matter is, what medical doctors do is they save lives. They are committed by the Hippocratic Oath

to save the mother's life and the baby's life. And yes, if there's a choice to be made, he's going to do the very best he can, or she will do the best she can to save lives. But it's all about saving life. And yet we're throwing away half of the life. We don't even consider the baby when we're talking about abortion chemicals, right? And now we're not even considering the health of the mother, right? Because we know 26 women have

died because of, you know, associated with the use of this Mifepristol. So this is not safe. Abortion is unnatural. That's something else about California that really intrigues me. Everybody here is into organic chicken and eggs. We're all holistic and we're doing our yoga and we have to have purified water and everything is very holistic. pills that actually interfere with your basic biology. It shuts down your ovaries in the case of like Planned Parenthood, I mean, sorry, Plan B, sorry, but you know, to suppress ovulation, right? Or if you've already conceived a baby, right, you want to abort it, you're taking some drug that interferes with the natural process of your body, right? It interferes with progesterone, it starves the baby. Well, you know, I just think if we had, and again, there was so much stuff in terms of mandating abortions over people's religious objections and things beginning in California,

that type of thing. If we had stood on protecting life, if we had understood the principles involved here a long time ago, that would have been a very powerful tool to wield against these people who held a hypodermic needle to our head and said, take this or you're out. So it's very important, the work that you're doing. Thank you so much, Susan Swift. She is the Vice President of Legal Affairs at the Right to Life League. That's righttolifeleague.org. Is that correct? That's right. Thank you very much, Susan.

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