The David Knight Show - INTERVIEW BigPharma & Mass Shootings - the link no one wants to talk about

Episode Date: April 11, 2023

While this class of drugs has exploded in off-label uses, the psychotic havoc it unleashes on those who use it is well documented. Radically altered personalities, suicides, mass murder but media avoids talking about it. Julie Woods, SSRIstories.org joinsFind out more about the show and where you can watch it at TheDavidKnightShow.com If you would like to support the show and our family please consider subscribing monthly here:SubscribeStar https://www.subscribestar.com/the-david-knight-showOr you can send a donation through Mail: David Knight POB 994 Kodak, TN 37764Zelle: @[e-mail] App at: $davidknightshowBTC to: bc1qkuec29hkuye4xse9unh7nptvu3y9qmv24vanh7Money is only what YOU hold: Go to DavidKnight.gold for great deals on physical gold/silverBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-david-knight-show--2653468/support.

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Thank you. Thank you. Tell us a little bit about how you got involved in this. And was it family members that got involved? Because that's what we've seen with people who get involved in exploring what is happening with pharmaceutical damage. Typically, when something happens to a family member, and of course, we're talking about pharmaceuticals here, the SSRIs or the serotonin reuptake inhibitors, something that they give to people who have depression. Tell us how you got involved in this. I got involved because in 2008, my son died as a result, ultimately, of taking two SSRIs that he was

prescribed. At that time, I knew nothing about it. But after his death, my research led me to reading about this whole issue. And I ended up meeting Dr. David Healy, who's a world expert on this subject, SSRIs and the rare, well, uncommon negative side effects they can have. And even though something is rare- Dr. Healy was the one who actually inherited the website from a woman who just when the Internet was new in the mid 90s had had a terrible experience herself on Proz of stories, back in the mid-90s. And those stories are no longer available on the internet. So it's kind of a treasure trove that we have those early stories because journalistic reporting of SSRIs and their impacts has changed dramatically during the intervening years. I got involved because Dr. Healy is now part of an organization that my husband and I started him, risk.org, which has grown into TaperMD, that's all about safely identifying the use

of pharmaceuticals and getting off those that aren't necessary. But Rosie Meisenberg died in, I think it was 2011. And David then David Healy then asked me if I'd like to take over the site. And I said, yes. And I've been collecting the stories ever since. Well, I'm very sorry about your loss, loss of your son. There are a wealth of stories on how many stories do you have on SSRI stories.org? Well, we've got well over 7,000. Wow. And they're varied. They, as you've pointed out, they cover suicides, homicides, but there's other stories too, people whose personality changes and they become thieves when they never, ever did anything bad in their life.

There's a range of negative changes that SSRIs can cause. And we collect the stories that are reported in the press and we put them up. Now, tell us a little bit about Prozac. You mentioned that. That's probably one of the best known SSRIs. What are some of the other brand names that it goes under so people know? Well, there's brand names that are different in different countries. Let's talk about America. There's Zoloft. Its common name or its generic name is sertraline. Prozac is fluoxetine.

Because these things are now generic, they're off patent, and you'll see those generic names now. There's citalopram, which used to be called Celexa. There's duloxetine. There is Effexor, venlafaxine, there's a number of these things. And so it's difficult to, there's so many different names because all these drugs have a brand name, they have a generic name as well, you know, for the actual substance there. So people need to take a look at this and understand whenever a doctor prescribes something for you, better do your due diligence to find out what is involved in this. What do people typically prescribe these for?

It's usually for depression, is that right, or other things that they do as well? Oh, my goodness, that is such a good question, and I'm so glad you asked it. They started their lives as, quote, antidepressants, and we could all think about what depression really is and what it might be. But what it turns out to mean is that if you're scoring badly on a test

like the Hamilton Depression Rating Scale, your doctor can prescribe you an SSRI on the belief that this will somehow improve things and there's scant if any evidence that that's true however the uses of these drugs have expanded partly through off um, off label prescribing and partly through just expanding diagnosis. So they're now, um, uh, prescribed for things like quote, social anxiety or, um,

we see this over and over again, this is very similar to what is happening with a lot of the, uh, transgender counseling of kids at a very, very young age. You know, it's like, oh, well, you know, we just have to, um, uh, we got these different, um, you're, you're kind of, you're depressed because your test score or you're feeling uncomfortable in your body because you're an adolescent, you know, you may be in the wrong body. We need to do some surgery here or something like that.

And I'm laughing about it, but it's not a joke, but they victimize kids like this. And they've been doing this with the SSRIs for a very long time. One of the things that you see in terms of side effects for these SSRIs that were given out as antidepressants, one of the things that they say, well, this may make you depressed. It may cause you to become suicidal. It's like, oh, wait a minute. And we've seen that over and over again. I mean, I even hear that on these, you know, ask your doctor commercials that fund all

the cable news channels. You know, they'll talk about a condition, then they've got this drug for this particular condition. And if you listen to the side effects that they rattle off very, very quickly, many times that side effect is going to be exactly the thing that you're taking this drug for. It's going to make that absolutely worse. Plus, it'll give you a lot of other potential things. Tell us a little bit about some of these stories.

What has happened to some of the people who have been on antidepressants? Give us a couple of stories. What has happened to some of the people who have been on antidepressants? Give us a couple of stories. Okay, well, I'll start with one that is a well-known story, but it's typical in many ways. We remember the Colorado movie shooter, James Holmes. Yes. Dr. David Healy was an expert witness on that. And he reviewed all the records. And what happened to James Holmes was that he was prescribed Sertraline,

or Zoloft, and his thinking started to change. He began to get ideas that he'd never previously had that involved violence and shooting people. This is not a common side effect, fortunately. However, between 3% and 5% of people who take these things do experience these kinds of reactions. And we all know what happened. And as so often happens when he went to court, the horrible nature of the crime overrode the evidence that it was a drug that was the problem. The natural reaction of judges and juries who were ill-informed about drugs

is to just discount their role in terrible crimes. And the taker of the drug shoulders all the blame because the people who prescribed the drugs, the people who created the drugs and weren't honest about the side effects are not in court and somebody's got to get punished. So James Holmes was a very high profile and very serious because of the number of deaths example of what can happen. But there's lots of sort of ordinary, not well-publicized stories that have the same plot line. And the thing they all have in common is that nobody ever looks at the drug

and what its role might have been. That's right. Yeah, before you even started talking about that, the fact that it's always ignored, one of our listeners made that very point, said every time the psychological drugs are ignored in every shooting, a leading common factor, and yet they don't want to talk about that. In the shooting that we just had with the transgender student

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By, you know, earn the care of a psychologist. I looked at that and thought, well, you know, possibly that's involved there as well. And so there is a common factor here that we see happening with this. And you're the person who founded this. You're pointing out Rosie Meisenberg. Her story, she was given Prozac to help her quit smoking. What happened to her when they gave her Prozac to quit smoking?

What happened to Rosie was that after a very short time, she started to develop the idea that she wanted to kill herself. And that is a not uncommon reaction. Between 3% and 10% of them jointly committing suicide. Wow. And Gene, recognizing what the problem probably was, because the only thing that was different in Rosie's life was this drug, he marched her back to the pres the prescriber I don't remember the doctor and said guess what my wife off this this is a problem and Rosie remembered her thoughts while she was taking Prozac even after she quit

taking it and it alarmed her so much that she dedicated a good part of her life to trying to show people through other examples, what these drugs can do. Yeah. Yeah. It is amazing. And, um,

you know, when, when you look at getting off of it, because a lot of people have, you're, you're talking about really strange psychological effects that people have. But a lot of times people have physiological effects and they will understand that that is the pill that they're taking. And so they will change their medication themselves.

Maybe they'll stop taking it. Maybe they'll take less of it or something like that. What happens then when they do that? Well, it depends how long you've been on it. And there is a range of reactions. But Dr. Healy was among the first to lobby hard that the message that the drug companies were given that there was no withdrawal, serious withdrawal effects was wrong, that some people experienced terrible withdrawal effects. One that he emphasizes because he believes that if people knew, they would never start on these drugs, is that going on the drugs causes 50% of people to have

serious sexual dysfunction. And that doesn't necessarily go away when you stop taking it, the pill. There were others, some people who were prescribed the drug for menopausal hot flashes. That's one that is a really odd off-label prescription, and yet now it's been approved by the FDA. Wow. When people try to stop taking it, they can't sleep. They get terrible agitation. They have headaches. They feel unwell.

These are all withdrawal effects. And some people, it really sends them over the edge just by changing that medication if they've been on it for a long time. I would liken it to, and I've mentioned this before, it's kind of like when you're scuba diving and you go down and if you stay down long enough at a particular depth, the nitrogen starts to dissolve into your bloodstream. And if you come up too quickly off of it, it bubbles out and it gives you the bends and it can kill you. And, and so I would say that, you know, because these withdrawal symptoms are so severe,

physiologically, psychologically, especially, that is something to be very aware of. If you or your loved ones are on this SSRI stuff, you got to come off of it very, very slowly. It's very difficult to get off of it because the withdrawal symptoms can be fatal to you and to other people. Again, the murder-suicide. But talk a little bit about that. We've had a lot of cases, some of them, where people nearly committed a mass murder, suicide type of thing, but they caught it just in time, and it was all triggered by the SSRI and the changing of the medication.

By the withdrawal. Yeah, by the withdrawal. Absolutely. And there's a few studies of the effects of SSRIs that badly understate the negative impacts of them because they don't look at the withdrawal period. And so they fail to realize that withdrawing from the drugs can cause the very things that the drugs were taken in the first place to prevent. That's not just SSRIs either. That's also true of so-called antipsychotics, which can definitely cause psychosis, both while you're taking them and in withdrawal. And it's especially unfortunate because everyone, including the prescribing doctors, tends to say, oh, it's relapse. The

person killed his neighbor because he was depressed. Well, actually, no, he did it because one of the withdrawal effects that's fairly common is this really low threshold tolerance for any kind of irritation or inconvenience. It's as if people become three or four times as angry or more than they would have had they never had the drugs. And they'll way overreact to things. Wow. You see that in many stories.

It is amazing, isn't it? How they can affect us at such a deep level and affect our mind and how ubiquitous it's become. And, of course, everybody has a different reaction to different drugs, and so they always come back and say, Yeah, it's rare. We hear that all the time. But because, as one listener says, drug companies sponsor everything,

they own the media, and they have the studies that can prove their goodwill. And, of course, they fund the studies. And I've seen this over and over again. I've seen studies, essentially three drug companies with three different drugs to treat the same condition. And they all three run studies running all three drugs. And guess what? The winning drug is always from each individual study. The winning drug is the drug that's produced by the company that funded that particular study.

What a coincidence, isn't it? Yeah, it is a coincidence. Yeah, tell us some more studies. I remember there was one last, it was years ago. I talked to SSRI Net. I don't know if I spoke to you or if it was somebody else, but we were talking about a study, an incident rather, of one young man who took a rifle to his school classroom and stood in front of the classroom,

and he was pointing it at the classroom and then pointing it at himself and pointing it at the classroom. Finally got the rifle away from him. He didn't shoot himself or anybody in the class. And after he came off of this hallucinatory incident, he had absolutely no recollection of what he had done, but it was just changing his medication triggered that. There's other stories like that as well, right?

Very many stories. And there's some drug combinations that will almost predictably give you that problem. Zolpidem and NES SSRI can have terrible effects. And it seems, and I don't pretend to understand this, but there are a lot of studies, or there's some studies, not that many actually. What was that drug again? I need to let people know what that is. What was that?

Zolpidem. Zolpidem. Zolpidem. Okay. Yes. Ambien is one of its brand names. Oh, okay. All right. is one of its brand names oh okay all right um and it seems to cause semi-sleep states in some

people so that they're not really asleep or awake they appear to be awake um but they're not and that combined with the ssri for whatever reason there are a number of cases that we've collected where people have done terrible things and had no recollection at all of what they've done. Yeah, when you look at these cases, you mentioned in your website, unexpected discovery of data where the reported cases of women teachers accused of sexual liaisons with male students and SSRIs were often mentioned as a part of that. You know, when you look at these types of things, you know, prosecutors, as you pointed out before, they typically don't want to talk about the influence of drugs in the commission of these crimes, which I find kind of interesting because they're so big on the war on drugs, but not on the war on drugs made by pharmaceutical companies. There's no war on those drugs.

You're not even allowed to look at those drugs. Right. So, but you know, they will everything else. Oh, that's, you know,

reefer madness time. But when it comes to something like this, like SSRI for decades, it's been harming people. No, I don't see anything. There's nothing to see here. Move along.

There's nothing to see. And so when we look at this and we look at a crime that's been committed, especially a heinous crime, people want to punish the person who's done it. And in many cases, nobody wants to talk about anything other than their own responsibility for this because they want the person to be punished. And of course, you know, it is, it is the pharmaceutical industry that is really the instigator in this in terms of if this is the drug that had triggered an incident or something like that. And nobody wants to talk about the pharmaceutical industries being complicit or a partner in a crime about something. So that is one of the reasons why they have completely shut this down. But talk about some of these other things besides the shootings as well, uh, that we see. Well, I will, that's great. But I, I like to make the point

because what you're saying is so important. I think it's really important to understand how these things work. What do SSRIs do? Do they make you happy? Well, no. What they do is they suppress frontal lobe function so that areas of your brain, the area of your brain that looks after conscience, empathy, fear, all the kind of the social feelings that we have are disrupted. And studies show that what these drugs do is they make you not care. That's really not the same thing as making you happy. And in fact, if you look, there's a series of three films done years and years ago called Who Cares in Sweden? And they're in English and they examine exactly that.

What do these SSRIs do? And now that the use of SSRIs has increased 3,000-fold between 2001 and 2018, we've got a percent of the population on drugs that makes them not care. Yeah, yeah, that's amazing. That might be an issue, people. Oh, yeah, absolutely. I mean, in a sense, you're talking about it coming after your conscience and your empathy and other things like that. It's like doing a selective chemical lobotomy of people.

Yes. Just severing these human instincts and severing their judgment as well. I have a listener here who said that he'd taken SSRIs. He said, my girlfriend at the time told me I called her crying and all kinds of stuff, and I had no memory of it whatsoever. He said it was very frightening. He said, I think the difference is that I had family praying for me. It truly is amazing to see the effect of these drugs and to see how long they have been allowed to be used and how everybody has covered up for it. It truly is amazing. It is amazing. And you raised the question of a recent situation that may well have involved drugs,

but what has been so interesting, David, is the evolution of journalistic coverage. I cannot find anymore, or very rarely, any mention that people are on SSRIs. Back when Rosie started to collect stories, Prozac and the other SSRIs were referred to as quote controversial drugs, drugs with known problems, people were referred to in the articles as victims of the drugs, but not anymore. That's sort of gone away little by little.

And now it's as if the drugs aren't relevant. Nobody even sees that they might be playing a role. So they never are mentioned. As the use of it has gone up by 3000%, the reporting of it has gone to zero. That's kind of interesting. And we see that over and over again. And again, it just shows the power of the unbelievable wealth of these pharmaceutical companies and how they control the media. Actually, it may have gone up more. That was up to before the pandemic. And then it seems without direct numbers that people are saying that it went up even again in the pandemic. And then it seems without direct numbers that people are saying that it went up

even again in the pandemic. Oh, I would imagine so because we were being told people being locked down, scared to death about what was going on. You know that people are going to be looking for something to try to medicate that away. And as you pointed out, you know, this is not a drug that makes people happy. It's an antidepressant, but it doesn't make you happy. What it does is it just shuts off certain parts of your brain and makes you very dangerous to yourself and to other people. It's absolutely crazy that we allow

this type of stuff to happen. But again, it is still there, and this is still happening, even though these things have been around for a long time, and I guess, you know, they're now generic drugs, and they're still making money off of it, but not nearly as much as they did at the beginning, but they're generics now, I guess. Are they? But what interests me is that as a society, we used to know things that we don't know anymore. And something you said at the beginning of the program reminded me of this, that we used to understand that adolescents are moody. We used to understand that, you know, it's okay to feel sad when your spouse dies. We used to understand that, you know, sometimes you're going to worry if you've got financial problems, and you might lose your house, or, you know, there's something bad going on in your life that

you can't control, or you don't know what you're going to do, you're going to worry. And you know what, that may be a good thing. That may be that we're hardwired to have those reactions for a good reason. And these drugs block those reactions. And somehow now we've come to believe that that's a good thing. I don't know exactly how it happened. I know it's some kind of marketing. It's hard to exactly put your finger on, but whatever happened to common sense and knowing that people have ups and downs? And that's especially true of young children. I remember when one of the people here said that his brother was on Ritalin. I remember when our kids were young, and one of the things that really galvanized us, we had other reasons for homeschooling, but the thing that really galvanized us, we had other reasons for homeschooling,

but the thing that really galvanized us, especially one of them was Ritalin and how they were giving that away to all the young boys. I said, you know, you have to have a situation where if you've got a behavioral problem, you've got to learn how to deal with it, not to medicate it away. But that's the approach that our society takes. Any kind of a problem, you have a problem with adolescence, as you pointed out, or you got a financial problem, or you got a financial problem or you got a spouse has died or something.

Oh, let's Medicaid over this. No, you have to deal with your problems instead of trying to cover them up with pharmaceutical stuff, because the pharmaceutical stuff is very dangerous. It comes with a lot of strings attached, physical and mental. Give us another example of someone who, one of the SSRS stories, as you point out, there's 7,000 of them. Give us another example.

Well, I'll give you a couple more themes that I think, I'll mention one that I don't bother posting the stories. I think I posted three, but there's so many thousands and they're all the same story that there's really no point. And that is that a husband or a wife or a girlfriend or a boyfriend will go to their psychiatrist and be prescribed an SSRI. but the family, the spouse let's say, is often devastated at the personality change of their partner who no longer cares,

who no longer has any interest in them, who's become selfish, who spends the family money on themselves. That's a story that happens over and over and over and there's whole chat rooms dedicated to it why don't we officially acknowledge this i don't know another one is that people will start gambling and that's such an odd thing once they're their normal feelings of excitement from regular, just ordinary events. You know, you feel pleasure in thinking of having lunch with a friend. You look forward to the weekend because you're going to go somewhere. For those of us not on drugs, that's enough. That's fine. This is what makes our lives go round. But if if you had all your feelings flattened you have to thrill seek or you have to your threshold for getting some uh excitement goes

way up and you may need to gamble just to feel anything yeah yeah kind of like the hurt blocker that this could have terrible consequences for you financially we have a number of of stories on the site i can't even remember the names but it's quite common where people start stealing from their employer these are people who've been honest employees for decades because they start gambling because they're on, after they start on SSRIs. It's amazing. I got a comment here from listeners said,

doctor told my ex-husband Zoloft was a happy pill and he didn't talk to me for three years. That's why he's my ex now. It's just, you know, breaking up marriages, but you know, also murder,

suicide, completely altering somebody's personality. One person here says doctors don't know anything about these drugs either. They're just pushed to sell them. And I think that a lot of that is there as well. Doctors don't really look at or really even care about the adverse effects of these things and don't advise people about it. It's a long, long list, but any of us who have been prescribed something by a doctor we never had the long disclaimer read to us like they do at the end

of the commercials and wrap it that would uh doctors would not have time for that i think because they can't talk that fast but uh that's the other part of it doctors are busy people and drug reps that offer them the drugs um their free little packs never mention the less common side effects. And the people who come back to the doctor are the ones who are not out shooting people. David Healy points out that about 50% of people who are prescribed SSRIs by their doctor just go away, take them a couple of days and hate them and never take them again. But those guys don't go back to their doctor. So the doctor doesn't hear doctors. People don't go back to their doctor and goes, these are awful.

I'm not taking them. They just don't do that. They just quietly go away. And there's a lot of mentality about all that stuff as well. You know, it's not, as you mentioned, it's the reps who are encouraging them and incentivizing us. Why we had the opioid epidemic, you know, it's a pharmaceutical drug reps encouraging the doctors to do it. And the doctors was like, well, everybody's doing it. This is standard practice. And the safest thing to do is to do standard practice, right?

I don't want to go off on the radical fringe here. Most doctors don't want to look at it. They don't really look at what they're doing. And patients as well. You know, you talk about the drug ads. In Canada, we see ads from the U.S., and in the U.S., they definitely see ads from the U.S., where they look at the happy Zoloft rock and, you know, these ads that involve beautiful people having exciting wonderful lives on screen and the message is these things can only make improvements so patients take responsibility and they'll go to a doctor and say i like zoloft or i i want to know if zoloft is right for me and if the doctor says listen listen, I'm concerned.

I think you should just wait a while. I don't think it's going to be helpful for you. That person may well just discount the doctor and trot off to someone else. So it's people's expectations have changed as well. Yeah, that's the real damage of these ask your doctor things. That, along with the fact that it has worked so well. I mean, the pharmaceutical companies would not be running these ask your doctor things that as along with the fact that, um, it has worked so well. I mean, the pharmaceutical companies would not be running these ask your doctor ads if they didn't work. And, uh, they were allowed to do that. What was it early nineties or something when that happened?

And, uh, I remember we, we didn't have a TV, uh, that, uh, got broadcast. We just would rent movies and we would watch the movies. That's all we used television for at the time. And I remember we were on vacation. We stopped at a hotel and we turned on the TV and it was just one commercial after the other. I said, I've never seen anything like this before. What's going on with this? It was really strange because we hadn't watched for a couple of years

and it had really taken off and it's been very profitable for them. And I think that's one of the key things that has driven patients to do this, but it's also driven their control of the news media because they're all brought to you by Pfizer or they're brought to you by Johnson and Johnson or whatever. They have become the, they've essentially bought the media through these ask your doctor commercials. And they're very, very dangerous. As you point out, if you ask your doctor and he's like, well, you know, I understand, but I've had some bad issues with it. You just go to another doctor because you saw that commercial.

That's right. And just back to something you said earlier, which I think is really important. So I'd just like to spontaneously interject that, you know, we talked about courtrooms and how we want to punish the perpetrators. GSK, for example, other drug companies, too, have been fined billions for fraudulent misrepresentation of their drugs. And Dr. Healy has been involved in a number of those cases. But no pharmaceutical executive has ever gone to jail. Yes. These clients are not punishing anybody.

They're sort of a cost of doing business to the drug companies. So we don't, even as a society, have an effective deterrent to the things you're describing. That's right. Even when you catch them red-handed. Even when you catch them red-handed with the opioid stuff, right? You have the Sackler family and you have Johnson & Johnson that made this stuff for the Sackler family

and both of them were treated with kid gloves. They were able to go in and negotiate a settlement with state attorneys general all over the country. And, you know, if it had been, and I've made these, the comparison many times to El Chapo, right? What'd they do when they got El Chapo? Uh, they took everything he had under civil asset forfeiture, but these guys, uh, they're able to come to the table and negotiate this stuff. And then after they negotiated a settlement, uh, the government comes back and

says, Oh yeah, we didn't realize they had this. They took us to the cleaners on this thing. You know, they, and, and so they negotiate this. They took us to the cleaners on this thing. And so they negotiate from a position of strength, from control. They're not treated the same as the war on drugs drug dealers. They get a special treatment. There really isn't any way that you can shut these guys down. They really do own the government. It truly is amazing. I mean, you look at the revolving door between pharmaceutical companies and the FDA who should be doing this. I remember

when they were rolling out the warp speed vaccines and you had Children's Health Defense said, hey, you're encapsulating these things in polyethylene glycol, and that's going to cause anaphylactic shock with a lot of people. And they contacted the FDA, and the FDA said, we don't care. Contact Pfizer. Well, of course Pfizer didn't care because they didn't have any liability. They were given a complete wash of any of this stuff. So the government agencies that are supposed to be in an oversight position have been completely captured by them, and they've become their co-marketers,

and they've become pushers of their drugs rather than looking at anything that they do. That has become, that is across the board. But I wanted to draw people's attention to the SSRI issues because, as you point out, it's never discussed. I think one of the issues with it is that from a reporting standpoint, the doctors won't talk about what their patients are taking. And you might hear that from the family, while they were under a doctor's care, they don't follow up and ask them, you know, what drugs were they taking?

And you know, that, that information, they may not even talk about that, but sometimes they'll say, well, you know, it's not our fault. They were, we had them under a psychiatric care or something like that. Typically that's where these SSRAs are coming from. That's right. And I think in the worst cases where there's murders and suicides, and Dr. Healy always points out that,

remember you talked about the case where the boy was pointing the rifle at himself and then at someone else. It's the same phenomenon the drug causes such thought distortion that on this urge it's a suicidal urge but it can be turned on other people and this is where you see moms um killing their children and themselves because their thinking has become so distorted that they get really strange ideas that they're all going to be better off if they leave the earth. Yes. Yes.

And we see that many times, mothers killing their kids, and typically they're not using guns. They're using other means. And that's the key thing. We need to understand that, you know, the gun is just a tool. There's many different ways you can drive your kids into the, you know, jump off a bridge with your kids in your arms or something like that, or drive them into the water, you know, with you and that type of thing.

And we see that type of thing happening over and over again. And again, nobody wants to go back and take a look at this drug that's being prescribed for all different types of things. It's metastasizing into all different kinds of off-label uses now as well. Well, that's right. And in the case of moms, it often starts with people confusing normal postpartum emotional instability with a need for continuing SSRI use. And now they're trying to back it up into pregnancy.

And it's not the moms who had a few crying spells and had somebody there to help them who do these things. it's not the moms who had a few crying spells and, and had somebody there to help them who do these things. It's the people on the drugs who, who weren't getting what they actually needed, which is somebody to help them because they're getting up in the middle of the night. And that really throws them off. You know, it is interesting. It is amazing to see this.

And we look at the massive amounts of money, the tens of hundreds of billions of dollars that are out there in the marketing that goes through all of the Ask Your Doctor commercials. And then on the other side, there are places like this website, SSRIstories.org, where you are all doing this on a volunteer basis. There's no commercials there. You're not selling anything. Oh, no, we don't allow it. Yeah, you're there because you've had family members who have been injured and hurt by this, and you're trying to stop this thing.

I mean, it really is a David and Goliath effort here. I really do appreciate you doing that. It is such a heartbreaking situation that we have here, and there's so much for us to learn about this, and yet it just seems to continue to get worse with the pharmaceutical companies having even more control with even more mechanisms as every year passes by. So it really is an uphill battle to try to educate people. But thank you so much for what you do and what you do on a voluntary basis. Thank you. Appreciate that.

Well, thank you. This program will definitely help. Well, thank you. Do you take contributions or anything like that there to help with that? Is there something that's there for that you don't take out? No, we put everything that we have into Database America's Limited for Taper, which is a company that has built software to taper people off all kinds of drugs. So anyway, thank you very much for having me on.

Well, thank you for what you do, and may God bless you in that. We'll be right back, folks.