The David Knight Show - INTERVIEW Business Owner JAILED by Walz Over Lockdown Speaks Out

Episode Date: August 21, 2024

Lisa Hansen, a business owner of over 30 years was jailed by Gov Tim Walz's government.  Only a few businesses agreed to defy the lockdown orders after 8 months of lockdown and 95% of them caved. Lisa stayed the course, lost her business, and was given a 90 day sentence for staying open.  Her story has been ignored but must NOT be forgotten.  If we lay down, they will walk all over us again!Find out more about the show and where you can watch it at TheDavidKnightShow.comIf you would like to support the show and our family please consider subscribing monthly here: SubscribeStar https://www.subscribestar.com/the-david-knight-showOr you can send a donation throughMail: David Knight POB 994 Kodak, TN 37764Zelle: @[e-mail] App at: $davidknightshowBTC to: bc1qkuec29hkuye4xse9unh7nptvu3y9qmv24vanh7Money should have intrinsic value AND transactional privacy: Go to DavidKnight.gold for great deals on physical gold/silverFor 10% off Gerald Celente's prescient Trends Journal, go to TrendsJournal.com and enter the code KNIGHTBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-david-knight-show--2653468/support.

All right, we're back. And I wanted to talk to Lisa Hanson, who was kind enough to come on and tell us her story about what happened to her as a small business person during the lockdown. Under a kind of medical martial law and a governor who was one of the worst tyrants there, the vice presidential candidate for the Democrats now, Tim Walz. And I want people to remember what happened during this. They want to flush this down the memory hole, but they want to do that because they want to bring it back. We have to remember what happened and say never again. Lisa is a wife, mother, and grandmother.

She married her high school sweetheart at the young age of 18 and never looked back, she says. Lisa and her husband have eight beautiful children. And by the end of the year, they will have 18 grandchildren. Oh, congratulations. That's wonderful. They've owned and operated businesses for well over 30 years. They know what they're doing. Most businesses, if they're going to fail, they fail within the first five years.

You've done this for 30 years. So thank you for joining us, Lisa. I appreciate you coming on and telling us your story. Thank you so much. Tell us a little bit about your business. Well, thank you. And thank you for what you're doing. And thank you for coming on and talking to people because it's important we don't forget this. Tell people a little bit about what your business was like before the so-called pandemic. Oh, man, it was a thriving business. It was located right in the heart of the historical downtown part of Albert Lee, Minnesota. And a thriving business. I say that because it was a well-loved business, not only by the locals of the area,

but we did a specialty coffee. We did specialty sandwiches sandwiches pastries specialty even i would say specialty wine because we had some great selection of wine and beers and a lot of fun we had uh you know a little nightlife going on we had live music we just had the whole gamut of a really great vibe and a great experience for people just to kind of come in, turn it off and just sit and enjoy. Great business. I know that it was a well-loved business. And I know that it is missed only because I have people still stop my husband's. And we kind of modeled our business after some of the European bistros that we had visited as we had the opportunity to travel. So great little business.

A lot of fun. That's great. A lot of hard work. A lot of hard work, but a lot of fun. And you poured a lot of work, poured a lot of money into it. You knew the people that were there. And that's characteristic of small mom and pop businesses. That's the way we ran our business as well.

And we got to know the customers on a regular basis that would come in and um uh and of course you you know in the area there was a tourist area so you had a lot of people who would pass through there and then all of a sudden uh you're declared non-essential and and that was one of the things that really bothered me that happened to us once during a major storm uh they allowed walmart to open up but they declared us to be non-essential and they sent the police around to shut us down when we opened up and uh and to me one of the key things that that really bothered me about this whole lockdown is how they would say that the big wall street companies big uh big box companies that trade their stock on wall street they're essential essential, like the Walmarts.

But all the mom and pops are non-essential because most of the mom and pops are going to be involved in service businesses. And so they came after the restaurants and they came after the nail salons and the barbershops and all the rest of the stuff that were in service businesses and said, you're non-essential and we're going to shut you down. They came after Main Street while they protected Wall Street, and they called us non-essential. So what was it like when this all rolled out? What happened?

And in contrast, Governor Walz shut down all those businesses that you just mentioned. And in contrast, he allowed the big box stores to stay open, the liquor and the strip clubs because they were essential all of these businesses churches aren't churches are not us no oh no he shut the churches down he shut the schools down it yeah went on and on and it was uh what was it like course it was shocking you know we've never been through anything like this uh in in our time in this country, which has been from birth. So we've never seen anything like this. It was shocking. The state of Minnesota, I think, took the path of communism.

There's no doubt about that. The governor had no right or authority, I should say, to do what he did, but yet he did it and he got away with it. It still has gotten away with it there's been no accountability for that and there should have been there was a lot of the i believe that uh he has uh acted criminally the governor uh has acted criminally and he should be he should be prosecuted i agree um yeah i agree and the problem is that they're not doing it because everybody was on board with it. You know, everybody was a Democrat governor.

And yet I look at what happened with DeWine in Ohio. He is one of the worst ones as well. He's a Republican. And they had practiced this for 20 years. The first one of these germ games two months before 9-11. Then they put out the model state legislation for the states to enact to give themselves the power because they didn't want to directly order it from Washington. Instead, they, you know, Trump financed the money. And when people were really up against it and had lost jobs and were losing businesses and everything, he tries to paper it over and assuage their anger by putting out the PPP and the CARES Act.

How did that help? Did that help you? We were hanging on by a thread, and we really um you know used up all of our our resources um as you know owners and uh the second shutdown came along in over the first shutdown happened in march of 2020 then the second shutdown came around 2020 now keep in mind we were never fully opened uh by the governor's uh governor dictatorictator Walz's word 100%. And all the while, from March all the way up to November of the second full shutdown on these particular non-essential

businesses, we realized this is not right. He does not have the authority as we started digging in and learning because David, unlike you, I have just started learning and becoming aware of my eyes opening in really being opened in the last, you know, four, four years or so. And shocking experience trying to wrap our heads around everything that we believed. Almost everything that we believed was a lie yes um so so that it just your eyes continue to be open and and at the time um what do you do with that you know when we were going through this in 2020 um we we did consent because we didn't know what else to do to be honest with you until the second full shutdown came for dine-in restaurants

being one of the businesses that was shut down. Ours was a 90, 95% dine-in company. And there's no way that we could have survived. We didn't really survive. We were hanging on by a thread and not even really that. I told my husband, I said, if he does this again, if he goes, if he shuts us down completely, if he shuts us down at all, any more than what we already are. Um, and we're almost done anyway. We're almost out of business because we've exhausted everything we've got. Right. Right.

And you know, you know how that works. You've got to have revenue coming in to be able to, you know, pay your bills, pay your employees and, um, advance the business. Right. So let's talk about how it rolled out um you know because did he roll this out kind of gradually and and iteratively uh at the beginning of this so how did he roll yeah it was it was two weeks shut down 100 no nobody can come in your business right two weeks but the two weeks turned into two and one half months. Wow. And then he back started backing off. Okay.

You can be 75% open. Okay. You can be 50% open, um, 25%. And then when November came, then it was cool. Full board.

You know, you're, you're a hundred percent shut down again. Um, you can do takeout, uh, carry out delivery, right?

All of those, but you can't do any dine-in and again for most businesses that and none of it made any sense no no it did not even with their with their you know if you completely buy into their pandemic narrative their virus narratives or all none of it made any sense internally and uh you know when you talk about a business like a restaurant um and it was similar to the type of business we were in, you know that most of your business is going to happen like Friday nights and Saturdays and stuff like that. So if they cut you down to 50 percent at your peak hours, you still can't cover what is happening. You know, it isn't evenly distributed.

It's all clumped into, you know, into the weekends and things like that. So if they limit your maximum capacity, they can put you out of business pretty easily, right? And think about it. Back in November of 2020, pretty much the rest of the country was opened up, and walls was still shutting us down. Obviously, there were other places that were still dealing with shutdowns as well, lockdowns. But Minnesota, we were completely dealing with shutdowns as well, lockdowns, but Minnesota, we were completely done with this. And I told my husband, I said, we have two choices.

We can, we either, choice number one would be to shut down or close our business, excuse me, for us to close our dream business and to walk away, done, and figure out how to pay off the debt you know even though we were not turning any revenue uh so close our doors forever or option number two was to open up fully because why not we have that right we there was no i did not violate any laws i'm a law-abiding i'm a law-abiding citizen a law-abiding grandma yeah and uh so no laws were broken um and uh so we decided we took option number two with the help of an organization in minnesota that put together a plan of action i thought it was a very solid plan they invited all uh businesses that wanted

to to open up together on the same day i thought it was a great plan and here's what how you know they gave suggestions on how this would how we would orchestrate this and uh if you get the call from the state which you likely will you're going to uh here's what we suggest that you say and uh so anyway the plan rolled out um we got on board uh i forget I forget the exact date, December. I apologize. What other businesses, the other businesses join with you. Just good. Good. Did they now tell us what happened then when, when you opened up? Right. Right. So just a bit of a backstory, there was about 200 other businesses that said, yeah, we want to do this. There should have been 2000, but there but there was 200 uh we all opened up

it was um it was uh marketed uh for lack of better term that we were opening so people if you are in favor uh of supporting these businesses here they are go support them go patronize them which it was amazing we had so much so much support coming from all over the state and other states as well there to support us on that first day and that whole week after and then it just continued so what happened though david and and this was the fail 200 businesses approximately 200 give or take signed up to get on board about within 24 hours after there were only 10 of us that were still open everybody else had consented to close down really oh that's the thing people aren't willing to stand

up for their freedom like you said it should have been 2 000 or more 20 000 or whatever and you know of of the ones who sign up only five percent hung with it that's amazing it is amazing and very sad it was very so because now basically and i know that it wasn't you know again i have some grace for for these folks and for people that don't understand because i was really forced into a position to become educated and understand more than what i had ever anticipated and and it just continued my education continues you know here we are four years later and i'm still learning um so so we we there was only about 10 of us left open and uh you know the state can handle that the state can come if it had been 200 the state wouldn't have been able to handle it and that was the whole um you know point of doing this but

let's show the state we were not uh we're not consenting to their tyrannical orders which carry no weight of law um so unfortunately as franklin said we either hang together or we hang separately uh because they wouldn't hang together you all hung separately so what what did they do when they came after you yeah when they came after me of course they every they used every resource they have as the state and of course as the state they came after me of course they every they used every resource they have as the state and of course as the state they have a lot of resources no end to their resources so i was uh issued a cease and desist immediately within 24 hours i believe it was and of course i did not cease and desist and then they started throwing lawsuits at me so i believe i had in

total five civil cases against me and two criminal cases against me. Wow. Wow. Yeah. And so then what happened with these cases? So we went to court and we fought everything. We appealed everything all the way up to the Supreme. I shouldn't say everything, but most of these cases, most of the decisions we objected.

There was no due process for myself. That was completely denied uh through and through um i don't even think these uh judicials these judges actually even read my document all the way through or the countless documents you know that i submitted to the court um so what happened long story short is we went to trial on one of the criminal cases uh in uh 2021 and um yes it was 2021 uh december and uh i i went in front of a jury of six um pre-trial determined a very terrible thing um that is again i can't believe it still i i just can't believe in an american court of law it was determined that i would not be allowed to present my defense my defense being constitutional

statutory and case law all relevant of course to the case all relevant to this mandate uh that the governor had uh considered and and a lot of people considered law it was not law so uh we um we fought that we objected to to that stipulation of course uh because i should have been allowed to present my defense to the jury yeah but it was and of course we objected to that decision that the the judge had made didn't matter the judge is in lockstep with all the other judges that i faced all the way up to the supreme court they're all in this together they're in it with the governor and attorney let's not forget attorney general keith ellison oh yeah a very wicked evil man yeah so yeah soros guy he's one of the uh state attorneys general that soros was able to get into office

oh yeah right right amazing so they say you can't uh can't argue your case are going to shut down i've seen that by the way in politicized cases i've seen it over and over again whether it's ross uh ulbrich with silk road or whether it was the bundys and i could go on and on and on uh marty gottisfeld they will shut down uh you're presenting a defense did you have legal counsel you had a lawyer representing you or did you represent yourself um i i i handled my own case as uh a sujurist or did you want to say it yeah did you what about jury nullification do they have that on the books or in the constitution or did you look at that and they do and we did look at it, and we decided not to go that route.

I have a case, somebody I interviewed about a decade ago, called himself New Jersey Weed Man. And he was a heavy marijuana user, and he had a lot of it. And so when they came after him, they were going to get him for trafficking. It's like, no, man, I just use all that myself for my own personal use and when i interviewed him later on as we're doing the interview i believe it because he lights up a joint while we're doing the interview live and uh but he decided he looked at and he said you know um they're going to send me to jail for a very long time and so he said i wanted jury nullification he couldn't find a lawyer that was going to do it and he said i i figured that there were probably going to be some people on board. I looked at public opinion, and I realized that, you know, a little bit more than half the people were not really on board with marijuana prohibition in New Jersey.

So I thought I could get some sympathy about that and try jury nullification. mile uh it is explicitly mentioned in the new jersey constitution that you uh that a jury's duty is to judge not just the facts the case but whether or not they agree with the law and the punishment and so he put that he had that printed and he put it up on the desk there where he was sitting and the judge said take that down right now i'm gonna put you in jail for contempt and so he put it down but he said the jury had already seen it and they voted 7 to 12 to acquit him so it was a hung jury and so then the uh the district attorney came after him a second time and in the second trial he did the same thing but that judge let it stay up and um what was in the the constitution there and um they acquitted him 12 to nothing,

so there's nothing they could do about it. And that's why I had him on to talk about jury nullification. But that's a very powerful thing if it's there. But again, in these politicized cases, these judges rig everything. I've seen it over and over again. Oh, it was rigged, and I've not seen it. I mean, this was my first experience. It was my first experience to be uh you know in trouble with the law if you will

to be in a court of law i had never been through anything i was i was extremely ignorant uh as to how all of this uh rolls out and uh boy did i get an education you know learned what a way to get an education but i got an education and and actually i'm thankful for that today but so right so we were going on the um premise we had some there were so many levels that we were hitting as far as this is unconstitutional um this is uh even not when when emergency executive order that governor walls issued actually the emergency executive order doesn't speak to the people directly to the people or or control over the people or to dictate the people's lives emergency executive order applied to the executive branch applied to the those that worked in the executive

branch and we proved that on paper uh using the, all the resources that we needed to use. And, um, it was ignored. It was absolutely ignored. Anything that should have caused this case to be absolutely dismissed, thrown out, they just ignored. They did not answer any of our objections or any of our facts, um, to the situation. Uh, they didn't answer any of our documents at all. And again, every level, every court was in lockstep with the previous court. Yeah, I've seen that over and over again. Okay, so you are much more familiar with the situation. Well, you know, going back 30 years ago, when I was involved with third-party politics, I knew people who were also getting involved in third party politics who had been to prison because there were tax protesters or because they were sovereign

citizens or whatever. And they had, they would talk to me about it. They would say, yeah, I came in, here's my case. Here's what I said to them.

And I, I made the legal point. And the judge looks at me and says, next point, we're not going to talk about that. And, and I've heard that story over and over again same thing they did to you railroading people this is why i say people be very careful if you're going

to become a tax protester or sovereign citizen because you're not going to get a fair trial you can be right it can be 100 right and you're not going to get a fair trial if this is a political issue and again i've seen it on these other things like with silk road they wanted to come after the quote-unquote dark web and Bitcoin and things like that. So if they've got a political agenda and they certainly got a political agenda when it comes to the income tax stuff, they will just the word goes out. They know what they're doing and they're going to they're going to shut you down. Peter Schiff's father, Erwin Schiff, I met him.

He was at a convention and he was, you know, standing there like Lenny Bruce after his trials for speech and everything. And he was up on a on a box like a soapbox. And he's talking about his trial and going through the transcript and everything. So I said this and then they just said, you know, just threw that out and all the rest of stuff. But this is what the law says. And so I've seen that over and over again, how crooked and dishonest our courts are and that's why the jury nullification thing is so important but most people uh don't have the courage and the conviction to do what you did which is to defy this tyranny and that's what's necessary uh because if you don't have people who are going to stand up to it again like you said if they had 200 businesses or even more they could have stopped this but if it's only a couple of people, they will hammer you down.

Right, exactly. And that is what happened. There was a handful of us that were destroyed. Our livelihood, our businesses were destroyed. And I've had the opportunity to meet these other people in the state, and mostly women, by the way, because that's who these tyrants, you know, they go after the women they they love to i mean uh attorney general attorney general keith ellison you know has a

history of uh you know being a woman beater that's that's what he's known for so anyway maybe he could get a medal at the olympics for that uh i understand you're giving him away for that uh there was a similar case in uh dallas for example clay jenkins was the chief elected official in dallas county they call them judges in texas and shelly luther you may remember her she had a nail salon or something and he came after her and wanted to throw her in jail and of course some other people i think the governor may have intervened in that particular case governor abbott but uh this guy clay jenkins a couple years prior to that they had an illegal immigrant who had come into the country and he had ebola and clay jenkins was coming in and telling everybody it's no big deal it's no big deal look you know we got football games coming up we got

dallas and houston are playing go to the football game it's not anything to worry about. We got all these hospitals. They can treat you with anything. And they took this guy. And this guy did not. This guy did die. And he got two nurses sick. They had Fauci come in. Francis Collins come in.

Everybody said, oh, it's great. It's no problem. But then when Shelly Luther, and this is, you know, Ebola was serious. And they killed that guy. Shelly Luther says, I'm not going to shut down. And the same guy who was telling everybody, go ahead and do everything, comes after her, and I'm going to put her in jail. I mean, it's amazing how inconsistent and hypocritical they are and how they will focus this. It was totally political.

It was psychological what they were doing. Now, did they put you in jail they did put you in jail right they sure did put me in jail my first time ever in jail hopefully the last and it was 90 days right yeah yeah i was sentenced to the full the maximum penalty and uh as the jury found me guilty on all um i believe it was six charts six charges um so right it was uh they sentenced me to 90 um i served 60 and uh it was yeah it was quite the experience um the whole thing the whole thing was quite the experience um wow hopefully never to have to repeat it again but here we are and uh was it local or was it state

you mentioned keith elephant so is this a state prosecution where they came after you yeah yeah it was it was it was uh state but of course now in uh in in the criminal case um cases they had to get somebody in the county or city to prosecute the state could not prosecute me on the criminal charges directly so they had to prosecute they ended up uh i i believe um that the county attorney uh he he did not take the case i don't know if he refused i don't know any of the details there um i could probably submit a foia and find out but i have not done that the it was the prosecutor ended up being the city attorney of albert lee minnesota and um albert lee just you know here here we raised our family in the area for at that point for about 30 years whatever it was um big family all of our children lived in the area at that time almost all of them. We had another business, which was my

husband's company that we had built a 30-year business. And that was right there in Albert Lee. And yet I was treated, I was treated as an actual criminal. I had, you know, we had churched in the area. I had volunteered and worked in children's ministries for decades. So you put all this together and then the city just you know uh allows you to be prosecuted and persecuted it's it was shameful for albert lee to allow this yes they didn't have to allow it but nobody stood up i i had uh conversations my husband had conversations with the sheriff at the time with the chief of police we'd invite him in sit down have a cup of coffee in our in our restaurant and uh they were there they were with me they were with me until push came to shove and uh then they hands off they don't want to have anything to do with me because the judge

got involved and the judge signed for uh signed the arrest warrant and and the judge was prosecuting and persecuting and you're right david it was a sham the whole thing uh was prosecuting and persecuting. And you're right, David, it was a sham. The whole thing was a sham. And my heart goes out to all those other folks that have been through these types of situations. And I know some have been through a lot worse. You know, mine was a 90-day sentence. You mentioned, you know, prison sentences that are years, years. Yeah, and you know, it's interesting that Shelley Luther's case,

and they tried to send her to jail, but they didn't send her to jail, but it made national news. You went to jail and it didn't make national news. And I guess it's because it's coming from Minnesota. And well, Minnesota, they can, you know, but you know, I tell people all the time, focus on what is happening at the local level

because the people at the local level can make it better or they can make it worse. We know what the Washington agenda is. We need to pay attention to what Trump did, what Biden did. And we need to understand what they did and understand they're not going to change anything about it. And that it made a big difference depending on your locality, the local people that were there, the state people that were there the state people that were there and so again in your situation uh the the best thing to do is to just get out of minnesota because it's so hopelessly corrupt and slavish and you now live in i think it is wisconsin is that correct iowa yeah oh iowa okay iowa so yeah we've stayed we've stayed we've stayed fairly close we have

because of all most all of our children are in southern minnesota and northern iowa so well a lot more conservative in iowa that's for sure that is for sure yes so that iowa still needs a lot of work just probably like about every other state in in the union but uh um no this is a better place to be uh in iowa it took us it took us quite a while to say okay we need to be out of the state. I think the last straw for us, the convincing situation, event, let's call it an event because it was an event that took place was when certain law enforcement showed up at our door

unannounced and continued to, I really can't talk about that yet because it's still under investigation has been for way too long. Um, but let's just put it this way. Uh, we know when they want you to shut up, when they want you to get out, they know they have ways, they have ways. And so persecution continued. Um, after I got out of jail, I immediately hit the ground running, uh, uh, and, and, uh, campaigned for state Senate. And so obviously the state said, okay, we didn't get her to shut up by putting her in jail for 60 days. Um, so now we're going to use other means to come after her and her family. And, uh, it was absolutely bogus.

And this is all, a lot of it was perpetuated on the local level. I hate to say oh yeah um new sheriff at that time um and that more um persecution i'm just going to call it happened um against us and um i what do you do what do you do when you have when you have elected public servants that are not uh doing their duty to the people, protecting the people, guarding the people, upholding their constitution, their constitutionally, uh, protected, uh, God given rights. And that's their duty. And they're not, they're not performing their duties any longer. Yeah. Yeah. I know what you mean about, you know, having the law enforcement show up and kind of

have a show of strength. We had a situation with that. We had, we had one of our particular locations we'd had some video stores and so people would pull up and double park and run in and hand us the videotape sometimes and we did have a drop box that we could use but you know if they're doing that we would just take that from them well uh some guy decided one of the police officers decided he's going to get a bunch of tickets so he parked down our parking lot every time somebody would do that he'd pull up behind him and give him a parking ticket and it's like what's going on with this after he did it two or three times i went out there and while he was giving them a ticket i said how much is that ticket going to be all right i'm going to give you more than that in store credits and so i directly come and after i did that a couple of times he went away

and then he came back with uh the fire department and um and they got a ladder truck and they parked it in the parking lot in front of our store and the firemen started taking the police officers up in the ladder truck and we had customers who come in and say what's going on here and say well let me tell you about this i mean i know what that's like you, they will do that kind of stuff. And so my heart really goes out to you with that. Tell me about, did anybody else go to jail other than you? Not that I'm aware of.

No, as far as I know, I'm the only one that received criminal charges. And a good friend of mine who also did a similar thing had the state coming against her. She lives in a town quite north and west of where I live in the southern part of the state or lived. And she she their town is too small for a police department. They do have a sheriff's office that governs their town and protects their town, supposedly. And actually, I think her sheriff was a pretty good sheriff uh he came to her one day and said you know i got the state got a hold of me and they've asked me to prosecute you i've told them no i will not prosecute you good for him yeah yeah but she did not receive criminal oh but you know i gotta tell you this david it's a real interesting story you can you can look it up larvita mcfarquhar um she um so this is just an interesting point um to uh larvita is a colored

woman um and uh an amazing uh gal she is and uh our attorney general is also colored and our attorney general made the statement it's in in, it's in the press, um, something to the effect of that. He was going to send her to a work farm if she didn't obey. Wow. Wow. And we're thinking,

we're scratching our heads thinking what in the world? Well, if, if Lala wins and Tim Walz wins, Keith Ellison is probably going to get some attorney general or something of the U.S. I mean, that's a frightening idea, isn't it? Oh, yeah, exactly. You know, what about the churches? You said at the beginning that Walz did not shut down the strip clubs, but he shut down the churches.

How did that play out? Unfortunately, as far as I understand, understand in my local area most of the churches shut down they consented and when did he when did he let them open up again do you know oh goodness that's a real that's a good question i'm sorry i cannot give you the date on that or the it must have been sometime i'm thinking it was in the fall or during that November, that second shutdown that he I think it was around that time or a little before that time. And then it wasn't it after the first of the year, I think maybe in 2022 that he kind of cleared everybody to open up again. But please don't quote me on that. I apologize. Yeah. Yeah. My memory, I think I've tried to stuff some things away because they're so very unpleasant.

And as we're talking and interviewing and, you know, because of this DP being walls, it's all really starting to kind of come back. And talking about it is good. So sharing the story is an important story to share. And if we look at it, you know, we had a similar situation in Vegas. They would let the casinos open up, but they wouldn't let the churches open up so you had some people go in there and hold a church service inside of the casino to show the absurdity of that and the supreme court signed on to that as well the u.s supreme court absolutely insane i remember in the spring of 2020 after a couple of weeks of this stuff or whatever uh there was a guy that i interviewed out of illinois and of course

illinois very pritzker very uh dictatorial just like walls and and uh but he had a small church in a small town and he never closed it and the sheriff that was there uh was a member of that church and so uh the governor was making threatening gestures and statements about all this kind of stuff. And the sheriff, as you had stories coming back from all over the country about some police departments showing up and taking down the license plate numbers of people who had violated the orders and gone to church and all that kind of stuff. The sheriff was there at their church with his deputies surrounding the church to protect them from the state police and so that's why i tell people that story because again even in a situation like illinois uh kind of a worst case state scenario you can still have some good local officials and people you can make a difference not at the federal level the bipartisan agreement about all this stuff and they you know they've worked this thing up but at the

local level uh you can make some things better if you get the right people there it's very important that's right that's right and you know we did our very best we meaning myself uh my my family uh supporters other people who really cared. The sheriff at the time was Sheriff Freitag, and we did our best to inform him and educate him. And I mean that with all respect. I'm not belittling him by saying that. He told me to my face when we were talking about the Constitution that he says, you know, I know the First and Second Amendment, but I really don't know the rest of the Constitution well at all. And we thought that

he should probably understand the rest of the Constitution and he should understand the First and Second Amendment a little better. Somebody offered an all-expense-paid trip to Sheriff Max's sheriff seminar. I believe those were going on inxas at the time like a two or three day seminar for these sheriffs uh educating them in constitution and how to protect the people that you're serving etc he denied that he turned it down we also uh two different parties uh handed him a sheriff max booklet or book on what every sheriff should know and um yet when push came to shove my sheriff was not there for me he was not there to protect me so that was really unfortunate um very sad to see so yeah it's important right i believe there are yeah that's right it's important that we know you

know when these elections are coming up these local elections you know uh kind of get a scope as to where your sheriff is on that. I think that's interesting. His name was Freitag, which is like Friday. It's like Dragnet, you know. Here's my partner Friday, you know, Freitag. But there's another good resource out there as well as Sheriff Mack and the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association. Of course, you can support that with being a part of the posse you don't have to be somebody who works in law enforcement you can support that effort as a member uh also matt trohela has a great book that has been very effective uh short book but

packed a very easy read a lot of information it's called the doctrine of the lesser magistrate and it takes it from a historical perspective and And that's also something that has been known to open the eyes of people who are in law enforcement. So a couple of good resources there. Well, it sounds like you really know your stuff. And thank you so much for taking a stand on that. If people would have stood up, it would not have happened. And when people finally just started quietly walking away and not complying that's when it ended and it hasn't officially ended because we

haven't taken away any of these usurped powers and we haven't seen anybody pay any price for any of this none of the people from the sheriffs up to uh fauci or either Trump or Biden. Nobody has paid a penalty for any of this stuff. And that's why it's going to happen again. And hopefully this next time when it happens again, people aren't going to quietly and sheepishly go along with it. They will resist it and they'll resist it in sufficient numbers to stop it. But thank you for standing alone, essentially, against this stuff. It's a horrific thing.

As you pointed out, when you were in prison, tell people what you missed when you were in prison. standing uh alone essentially against this stuff it's a it's a horrific thing your your prison as you pointed out when you were in prison uh tell people what you missed when you were in prison those oh yeah yeah definitely i missed christmas with my my family the birth of one of my granddaughters i was supposed to be there in attendance i missed that i missed my wedding anniversary as well as a host of other you know events of life happenings but yeah it was a tough time um i'll tell you what though david the lord the lord saw me through good good did they make you wear a mask in prison things like that yes they did yes they did oh man i decided not to fight that even though i've never worn you know a mask outside of prison other than court because they required uh actually a face shield is what they let me get away with

in prison or excuse me in court so yeah it was the whole thing so ridiculous it is it just all the simon says nonsense it's just a joke and it was a joke to start with oh i'm so sorry that happened to you but now you're in iowa and have you, I think you've started another business. Is that correct? Oh, well, not, no, actually we are retired. Oh, okay. All right. You're retired. Yeah. Well, we are retired at least for, at least for the time being.

Well, thank you so much for what you did. And again, if we'd had more people like you, uh, this charade would have not gone on, uh, would have ended right away. People, if you don't stand up, they're going to walk all over you. It's just that simple. That is right. They walked all over us through those periods of time. And now we're cheering those people.

And now we're supposed to believe that if we don't get idiot A or idiot B, America is over. I'm sorry. America ended in 2020. You just haven't noticed it. If you're cheering for these people uh yeah it's time that everybody catches up right yeah exactly thank you so much for what you did and thank you for coming on it's great talking to you good luck thank you david it was a real honor thank you so much god bless of biased and false news has become all too common on social media. More alarmingly, some media outlets publish these things

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