The David Knight Show - Interview: Child Protective Services or State-Sanctioned Kidnapping?

Episode Date: July 10, 2026

Ann Vandersteel, co-author of The CPS Pipeline: State Sanctioned Kidnapping, documents a system that currently holds 500,000 American children — funded by $81 billion a year from Health and Human Services, with federal incentives that pay more for minority children and disabled children, rewarding removal over family preservation by design. Money should have intrinsic value AND transactional privacy: Go to https://davidknight.gold/ for great deals on physical gold/silver For 10% off Gerald Celente's prescient Trends Journal, go to https://trendsjournal.com/ and enter the code “KNIGHT” For high quality made in America products go to HomeSteadProducts.shop and use promo code “Knight” for 10% off your purchases Find out more about the show and where you can watch it at TheDavidKnightShow.com If you would like to support the show and our family please consider subscribing monthly here: SubscribeStar https://www.subscribestar.com/the-david-knight-show Or you can send a donation throughMail: David Knight POB 994 Kodak, TN 37764Zelle: @[e-mail] App at: $davidknightshowBTC to: bc1qkuec29hkuye4xse9unh7nptvu3y9qmv24vanh7Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-david-knight-show--2653468/support.

Joining us now is Anne Vandersteel. She's a co-author of the CPS Pipeline, State Sanctioned Kidnapping. That's exactly what it is. From the book, it says, this is a wake-up call to every American who believes family should be sacred, not state-controlled. Every year, thousands of American families are torn apart by child protective services. Behind the language of safety and welfare lies a dangerous pipeline, a system that profits from the removal of children, often without due process, and destroys families in the process as well. And, of course, also destroys the children. Thank you so much for joining us, Ann. And I'll mention you are a co-author of this book. You're also a co-founder of the American Made Foundation. Tell us just a little bit about that before we get into the CPS aspect of this. I'm sure that's broader than just CPS.

It is. American Made Foundation was basically formulated between myself, Maureen Steele and Christopher Burns, who is an attorney, that works with our foundation. And we look at our government and what is really wrong with it in terms of the fact we aren't running a constitutional Republican

and we have been basically overrun by corporate tocracy and agency government, which has nothing to do with what the founding fathers had in design or had in mind or frankly what God would have been for design. So we decided to pick a lane because our future is dependent on healthy children and you can't make America great

if you don't have families that are great. And so Child Protective Services, like all of these agencies have nice sounding names, but deliver the exact opposite of what the name would have you believe it's going to do. And so we pick that lane because we see the children as our future. And America can have a very bright future if their children aren't under siege. And I ask you, if I told you we have 500,000 hostages being held in America, excuse me, in a foreign country right now,

would you not expect our military to go there? And the answer, of course, is always going to be, yes, go rescue Americans. but we have 500,000 children trapped as hostages inside this pipeline, this child protective services pipeline of trafficking children. And we're doing nothing about it except, you know, being gagged by courts. And we need to wake up to the reality that this agency known as Child Protective Services and all of its 50 other like agencies by different names and across our country are just as complicit. And it's the taxpayer that's funding it. So I'm welcome this conversation. Thank you very much.

Well, thank you for writing this book. And again, it is something that everybody needs to be aware of. We have a tremendous misconception about this, just in the same way that the government is constantly telling us that they need to do one thing or the other to protect the kids. And it's usually not at all about the kids. And usually it's not going to protect the kids. We just had the child on a kids online safety act, which is really not about protecting kids. It really is about getting a digital ID for everybody and an ID to use the internet. And so there's always this hidden agenda that is there. And this is something that should be even more concerning to everybody as we start to move forward. I'm very concerned about the data centers that are so-called data centers. I call them surveillance centers. And they're going to be able to audit everybody. And we've already seen in many cases CPS unleashed against people because somebody doesn't like the fact that they're homeschooling. Or somebody doesn't like the fact they didn't get all their vaccines on the schedule demanded by the medical industrial complex. Or there's a conflict about gender gas lighting that happens in our.

our government schools. It takes a village to raise a child, doesn't it? Maybe it takes a village to steal a child, doesn't it? Well, starting with Hillary Clinton and the Adoption of Safe Families Act in 1997, right? That really kind of kicked this off and turned children into chattel they can monetize. Because from that, we really have seen that America has built a child welfare industrial complex where children can be removed from their homes, all under the color of law. You've got families is being totally shattered when they don't bring meaningful due process. It's all based on hearsay. And these courts are all closed.

Files are sealed. And billions and billions of dollars can flow through a system that basically rewards the separation of the family instead of the preservation. This is what we title state sanctioned kidnapping. It's just disgusting. And we need to know how the system works, who profits from it, and how parents and children are destroyed by it.

Because if you don't comprehend that, how can you fix it? And that's one of the reasons we wrote legislation to fix it. And we believe that Florida will be the first state to pass this kind of revolutionary overhaul in their legislation, which will reduce the intake into the system by 95 percent so that we can reduce the money coming into Florida to continue to fund that pipeline by 95 percent. When you don't have a need, you don't need the funds. One thing you probably know about DC is once they've appropriated money for something, you're going to have to spend it. So we're going to spend it somewhere else and make it more meaningful. But what they're doing to the families with

CPS is just diabolical. Yeah. And of course, the way they get around the 10th Amendment is by getting states addicted to the federal fiat currency and then bribing and blackmailing them to do whatever they wish. And of course, you didn't, you know, you're doing that voluntarily. You want the monies. So, you know, you're going to do whatever we tell you. We're not, we're not violating the 10th Amendment type of thing. So let's talk about a little bit about the structure of your book. You're talking about the machinery, the players, the incentives, the warning signs. Let's start with the machinery. What does that look like? Oh, well, the machinery is diabolical. You know, it starts with a knock on the door because

somebody reported you. One of the instances that I can talk about real life is the Ramirez family who had their child taken at nine months old because they'd refused a vitamin K shot. Imagine that. You go in for a well visit and you decide not to take the vitamin K shot. And the doctor who's a mandated reporter says, well, you know, it's not a law. There's no, you know, it's sort of a, you know, hey, we think this is a good idea. But you don't, body autonomy, you know, protect the body. The parents said no.

So he reports this to CPS and it results in knocks on the door with CPS and a clipboard, you know, wanting to come in. You know, as I advise families all the time, never let them in your home. call law enforcement to be a witness and make an appointment to go and see them in their office. Don't let them in your home because it's sort of like giving them that opportunity you're opting in to their quote jurisdiction. When you say, sure, I'm going to allow this agency in my home

and now you've invited them to go around, use their eyes, and they can sort of determine whatever else they think may or may not be safe for the children and start writing things down. Yeah, and go to a fishing expedition. It's a fishing expedition of the highest order. And this is where the government can take total control of your child.

They can charge you to comply with conditions to get the child back. And that becomes destabilization in your own home. And in the process, they're going to use that same instability against you. So how do you call that pro-protection? To me, that's state-sanctioned family destruction. As a matter of fact, I've interviewed in the past Dwight Mitchell, who was a victim of that. And that's one of his key things. You know, everybody thinks about CPS as being there to save kids who are being physically

or sexually abused or something like that. That's a very small percentage of the cases that they take kids away from home for. And so your first instinct, as he said, is they knock on the door and it's like, well, I'm not one of those people. I'm not doing anything to my kids. Come on in, yeah, I'll show you.

I'm absolutely innocent. And never take that approach. That is the number one thing people need to understand. And if they read a book like yours to understand what the bigger picture is, they won't make that mistake. They won't think that CPS is strictly about going after the violent,

sexual predators that are out there. It's not about that at all, is it? No, it's really not about that at all. It's literally about how the state is allowed to, through the color of law, based on hearsay, take your child and turn that into a profit center. And they completely overlook the fact that there's massive human cost, not only to the parents, first of all, right?

The parents, imagine, when people imagine that CPS is removing a child, they usually picture that somebody has been something very egregious to their child, and that's why the child is being carried away. But frankly, that's not the real story. It's what happens after the child is removed. Parents, they face a massive avalanche of costs, whether it's dependency attorneys, criminal defense attorneys,

appellate attorneys, they have to bring in witnesses, the court costs, the psychological lectures, all the stuff they have to go through in addition to all these classes that they're now being required to take by child protective services, whether they have to go through drug testing

or anger management or some kind of domestic violence program, all these things are time. And if parents, even though these servicers are considered free, honestly, they're really not free because somebody has to drive there, somebody has to miss work, somebody has to pay for the gas, somebody has to find childcare for the other children,

somebody's got to keep the rent paid while attending all these court dates, and then you've got to rebuild the home that the state just totally destroyed. So the financial burden becomes part of the punishments and parents can face all kinds of court costs, etc., that go into all this. So that system is what breaks the family financially and then accuses the family of being broken.

So CPS removal isn't not one cost. It's a complete financial siege. And then you've got to layer in what happens to the child. And that is just diabolical, what ends up happening there. Yeah, it's horrible. And it's because we don't have due process. And we have this fiction that if the government bureaucracy, whether it's the IRS or whether it's CPS or whether maybe it is the DEA doing civil asset forfeiture, if they can seize your child just like they can seize your car

and they don't have to find you guilty of something. They can do, they can not even charge you to take your car. And so it's almost that bad. Maybe it is that bad or worse with CPS because we're not talking about property. We're talking about children that are there. And it truly is amazing because what is the incentive for these organizations? There's a tremendous amount of money there. But where are they getting the money and what are they using it for?

Sure. So the money is coming directly for the federal government in large part. $81 billion with a B dollars a year is what is pumped into the system out of health and human services under the Social Security Administration, Title IVE and Title IVD funding. Of course, it has state matching funds. And sad to say, but minority children, blacks and American Indians bring more money, as well as children that have disabilities, if they have some sort of medical event that requires medication. foster parents get paid a lot more money. And the system calls it placement. But to the child, it really feels like an abduction. So, I mean, even when foster parents, right, are kind, just the removal itself is traumatic, right? In the worst cases, children are placed in the homes or facilities where they experience, a lot of times, they experience abuse, neglect, over medication, trafficking risks, instability, psychological harm.

And this is on the heels of these foster parents that are being paid a lot of. money in addition to the different sort of therapists or what have you that the child is seeing. And this is where the system is completely broken. Because had that child come out of a house and the child was normal, had no medical conditions, or even if it did. But the reason for the removal was because mom and dad sent little Johnny out into the field to go play in 50-degree weather. And Johnny said, I don't want to wear a coat.

And the parents didn't force him to. And the neighbor calls in and makes the report. You know, Johnny was happier at home arguing about whether or not he had to wear a coat or not. And now you've got somebody who's made an anonymous report about Johnny not having a coat on in 50-degree weather. And the child is removed. Well, even if the child is just out freely playing, you know, as a matter of fact, there's an organization, free-range children out there. Because if you did the kinds of stuff that I did when I was growing up, I would have these, I would have hours to myself. And I can go do whatever I need.

I just need to be back when I heard the bell ringing or a certain particular comment. and I could ride my bike for miles. I could play outside with other kids in the woods and all that kind of stuff. Nobody calls CPS, but they would today. It's very rare that you see kids out in the yard doing anything. And I guess it's because people are worried they're going to get kidnapped from CPS, but you're not going to see your kid on a milk jug that's missing because everybody's going to know that the government took them.

So they don't follow that anymore. And the part that's so disturbing to me in all of this is the fact that we have a courtroom where Americans, I think they're probably less and less today expecting justice, but we did expect justice at one time, right? And I think that's been exposed. But this dependency court system, it often doesn't even look like what you might imagine. You know, these hearings are rushed, right? When you have a, quote, anonymous tip or a mandated reporter or whatever, these hearings get rushed. Parents, when they get the message, you're being hauled into CPS court, that's PTSD, right? That is serious PTSD.

parents may not fully understand the allegations that have been leveled against them. And the evidence rules can even be looser. So hearsay can shape decisions, not facts, not a law officer involved in anything. There's no affidavits. It's just hearsay. So you get these emergency removals that can happen before a full adversarial hearing. Parents, a lot of times, are denied due process. They can't bring exculpatory evidence into play here.

And so, and they may, you know, if they can't afford an attorney, they may only meet their quarter point of the attorney, minutes before they go before the court. So judges may actually have to defer to the agency workers. Now, there we get back to somebody that you and I didn't even choose. So these case plans can be imposed before facts are even fully tested. And parents are often told to just comply first and fight it later. Now, imagine that. You've just had your child removed because somebody made a call that said Johnny was out playing in the field without a coat and it's 50 degrees. And this is what you're being accused. This is neglect. I mean, let's let's be honest. I think, you know, You know, you and I'd rather be freezing than be removed and put into a position where we potentially

could be in a foster home that may be nice, but it's not my parents. So I don't want to be with them, number one, but it could be worse than nice. And we could be getting trafficked or abused or whatever. And those stories come up all too often. It's sad, but they do. So, you know. You mentioned in there might be an anonymous accusation. Is that a, it's not, are you, you don't have any due process to confront your accuser. Is that correct in many of these cases? That's correct. That's correct. Oh, no, no, no. You don't. don't get any, you don't get that opportunity. A secret court without being able to confront your accuser.

That sounds like a star chamber. That's why we have a lot of the parts of the Bill of Rights is against that very tactic. It's an age-old tactic, isn't it? That's correct. And these family courts literally are star chambers. You do not have a jury of your peers. You're constitutionally protected, you know, amendments are completely denied. Your right to a jury trial to be heard is totally.

totally shut down, your ability to talk about any of this, you're gagged. Children, all the documents are sealed. This is such an affront to our constitutionally protected rights, God-given rights, in fact. This is what's so disturbing on so many levels that, you know, when children can be removed because the money pipeline is so great, this is where I think the audience needs to completely understand this aspect of it, because child welfare isn't a moral system. It's an economic system. And they don't want you to know what is going on in the courtroom because if you did know, and if this was public, then the public would completely comprehend how this totally is an economic system when you have federal funding streams, state agencies, county systems, contracted providers, foster care agencies, groove homes, therapists, on and on and on. And you've got to layer in all the other things like drug testing that they're going to claim we need to do. Your child's upset, so we're going to medicate them.

Maybe we're going to over-medicate them because it's just easier to deal with just. Johnny and a little stupor. But all these vendors, these parasitic organizations that when children enter the system, that money starts moving. And if you actually can do something to preserve families, then guess what happens? Fewer money is moving. Fewer vendors get paid. And that's the central conflict in the system. And the system may save reunification is the goal, but the financial architecture often rewards removal, services, placement, and prolonged involvement. So we can see clearly what the goal is. And Title IV funding and these other federal funding mechanisms, are all a part of that big discussion.

And, of course, we're not going to have enough money to cover Social Security, but they're doing things like this, $81 billion for CPS and their secret star chamber process that's there. You know, it's interesting, and we keep seeing the same things over and over again, the bureaucracies that act on their own, that seize your property without any due process and you don't have any presumption of innocence over and over again. That is a cancer that has run through our government at many different levels, at many different issues that we see there. But it's also a global aspect of this that I've seen as well. Years ago, there was an organization. I don't know if there's still out there or not. It was

parental rights.org. And they were trying to get a constitutional amendment in that would recognize parental rights because that's at the heart of this issue in most cases, ignoring coming after the family. And of course, the UN has been there for a very long time, the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child. Well, if the child has got rights, they can put that in opposition to parental rights, and they can use that as a wedge to break up the family. And that's really what they're doing with these child protective courts and child protective services and so forth. They're breaking up the family. That's the bigger picture that is there, I think, with the U.N. as well as the structure that has happened in terms of changing our Constitutional Republic and Democratic Republic into a bureaucracy.

But address that a little bit. Well, I mean, you just brought the UN into it. Neednably say more? I mean, that is the most diabolical organization on the planet. And, you know, we were going to point in the direction of which our country is going, when you later agency government on top of it, we're basically, along with the surveillance state, the real ID. Now we've got the crypto, you know, genius and clarity acts.

I mean, they literally want to control every aspect of our lives. People that own Bitcoin are saying, hooray, I'm going, you have lost your mind. Did you know Jeffrey Epstein was involved in? the beginning of Bitcoin. Why would you want anything to do with any of this? You know, you think your Bitcoin is safe, but guess what? We just took 350 billion dollars out of Iran's Bitcoin wallet, and we took it through the FinCEN system here. Treasury does it, no, that's mine. So, you know, this insanity of trying to believe that, you know, we see what the problem is, but we're going to get a different outcome. That is the definition of insanity. We are not a constitutional republic.

We don't operate like one. We're supposed to be, but we simply don't act like that. And it's because we have U.S. codes and agencies that have taken over. And so I know that's a whole separate show we could dive into and I'd be happy to do it with you because I'm well versed in that and I'll say it right here. I don't file federal income taxes and I haven't since 2019 because I know I don't have to anymore and most a lot of Americans have woken up and they've stopped filing too. You don't live in D.C. You don't work in D.C. You're not a taxpayer. And so I'm not. And I refuse to fund a system that is continuing to do this to children. And, you know, again, these children are our future and the children today are being poisoned. They're being tracked

and traced. The good news is, as I think these Gen Zers recognized, it and they are leaving the cell phones at home and they're fine. I'm seeing more children outside playing off the screens because they want to be left alone. And I think this messaging is coming forward. But the United Nations has a big part of the reason we're seeing this corporatocracy because we're cowtowing to the very entity that is funding out of the central banks in London that is funding all of this. And this is all a giant design to circle the drain. And we're seeing it happen in real time under this administration. And the fact that our children are still being held hostage in a system that we were supposed to obliterate the Department of Education from day one

and we're just refunded it. It's 2026, two years in. I'm sorry, I have a real issue with it. And so it's time to stand on the 10th. It's time to take our country back state by state. And it's time to liberate our children state by state. And Florida is going to take a big position in that because we've written that legislation to do exactly that. And the United Nations can pound sand if we elected. Yeah, absolutely. And so, you know, we look at the UN Convention on the rights of the child. This is something that, um, uh, that's a convention that has been entered into governor, uh, into that into that power found Zand. This is, hang on one second. We lost you. You froze up and they came back in, Ann. So, so of you. Okay. All right. We're having,

now we're having internet problems, I guess. Um, let, let's go back to, uh, about, what point did we lose that, Lance? Where did it freeze up? Because she came back in a second time. looked out. Okay, let's back up to, let's see if it would be a good point to pick this up with, where we first had some freezing that was happening there. Let's go back to, we're talking about the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child. I'll tell you what, I'll make a comment and then you can respond to it. How about that?

Right. So this UN Convention on the Rights of the Child, this is something that they got every nation on earth, except for the United States, is signed onto this. But through the United States, they're running this through. through CPS and they're running it through the courts. And so they're doing it in kind of a backdoor way. And if you come after the families, if you come after the parents, that is the basic building block of society. And if you can destroy the family, then you can destroy that society. And that really is what the globalist agenda is, I believe. 100%. And anytime you enter the UN into an equation,

I have to swallow carefully because I want to gag. That organization has done nothing to further are a global peace. They've done everything to facilitate weaponized human trafficking. I saw it up close and personal with my work on the border with Michael Jan, the international organization on migration, the IOM. The United States is the largest funder to the United Nations anywhere by a factor of 17 to 1. Germany is the next closest. So we outspend Germany 17 to 1 on funding the United Nations. Why can't we stop that? We've got all these people who are saying, I'm not for the and I'm not for globalism, and yet they continue to fund it. Just like they continue to fund the Department of Education.

It was Reagan was going to strangle that monster in the crib. It was newly created by Jimmy Carter, and he said, well, I'm going to stop this. And instead, they grew it to maturity. They grew it through maturity. And Linda McMahon is still employed, even though day one, I was told by President Trump and he told the world that she'd be out of a job if she did her job well. Well, she just got another pay raise and more refunding. So, you know, I'm a 10th Amendment person.

I stand as a people, I stand firmly in the Constitution on the 10th Amendment. And I'm going to make an example of my state here in this interview because Florida is in the catbird seat, right? We've written some incredible legislation. We just have a hurdle. It's called the governor's race this fall. And the only man that would actually stand with what I'm talking about is Paul Renner. And the reason Florida is such an important state to examine because it does have a large child welfare system. The Regional Department of Children and Families Administration, DCF, contracted community-based care agencies involved, the private providers, the dependency courts foster and on and on and on, all engage in this child trafficking and the destruction of parental rights.

But our message for Florida is simple. If we reduce unnecessary removals, we reduce trauma and save money. Now, how are we going to do that? Well, we're going to define clearly what is an exigent circumstance. So if you can define that, then you can reduce the number of children that really lawfully, lawfully, not just legally, lawfully can be removed. And every child who does not need to enter foster care represents less court time, less foster placement, less case management, less vendor dependency, shall we say,

and then, of course, the less trauma treatment later. And then we reduce the trafficking risk because, again, as I said it earlier, child predators love foster care. So now you're fostering more family stability and definitely more constitutional integrity. I don't think this is the partisan issue. This should be readily accepted by people because CPS doesn't care if you're wealthy or poor, although the poorer you are, the more minority you are, the more money you represent because you won't fight. You're more vulnerable, yeah. We've seen this with civil asset forfeiture in the drug war. They'll go to Chicago, for example, have a massive forfeiture program where they're stealing people's cars. And guess what? The average

price the car taken is about $1,000, not a real expensive car. But to start the process, you've got to put up $900 in order to try to prove that your property is innocent of any connection to any drug activity. So yeah, they really do focus on the people who can't defend themselves. What are the warning signs? You mentioned in your book, you have a bonus chapter. We get parents the tools they need to recognize the warning signs. Are there warning signs for you as a parent that are personal that you need to be aware of? Certainly, if you have teachers that are asking personal questions, if you have doctors that are doing more beyond just what a regular well-child visit should be,

if you have neighbors that you have conflict with that are constantly criticizing you on how you are interacting with your own children, pay attention to these things because, unfortunately, child protective services has given people sort of a license to feel empowered, to intervene in your life. And in fact, they weaponize the state in order to do that. And again, you know, removal of a child always has to be the last resort. It shouldn't be the first reflex. The state should not be able to just take your child unless there's clear evidence of immediate danger.

As I've said, poverty, medical, vaccine refusal, homeschooling, religious, whatever it is, that should not be enough to justify a seizure of a child. You've got to have, as a parent, real due process, before the family is destroyed. And if you find yourself with somebody knocking on your doing, asking you questions, don't let them in your house. Never let them in your house. Get a witness and go to wherever that place of business is for the individual, you know, list, you know, leveling questions.

You cannot be apparent walk into a courtroom unprepared or underrepresented. It's particularly when you have what's called PTSD. And there's Americans of Disability Act covers PTSD. So you can get an ADA representative to join you as your sort of eyes and ears and sounding board when you're sitting in court. A wonderful woman by the name of Melinda Sherwin out in Arizona has done thousands of these cases. She's been a court watcher for 30 years and in ADA for 30 years. And those two aspects alone is what gives you power to push back against an already rigged system

that is looking at you as the guilty. Our legislation that we've drafted calls for much stronger procedural protections, early access to counsel, better notice of allegations. And of course, a much higher evidentiary standard before the state can interfere with the parent-child bond, because we've got to stop them from interfering and we've got to deal. deal with the medical kidnapping issue, which is a big precursor when you walk into a pediatrician's office for whether or not you're, if you're an anti-vaccine parent, you better know that your pediatrician agrees with you because if you don't, you could be in conflict right there because that pediatrician most likely is a mandated reporter. And they will report that you didn't give Johnny the whatever

vaccine. That's right. If they don't get a certain percentage of their kids vaccinated, then they get financial recriminations taken by the insurance companies that can put them out of practice. So pick your doctor very carefully. Pick your school very carefully. As a matter of fact, do it yourself. I'm a big homeschooling. Yeah, exactly. And so when you look at this, also remember that child protective services is no more about protecting children than planned parenthood is about promoting parenthood. That's right. Actually diametrically opposed to these agendas. And you're absolutely right. Know the warning signs. Know when there is somebody who is getting nosy or picking

question. We had a pediatrician when my sons were young and he got really upset because we were on well water. That was one of his things. So he gave us a prescription for fluoride tablets and we took it and said, okay, thanks, yeah, we'll do that. And we never went back. Of course,

we didn't fill the prescription either, but you know, it can be something like that. And so, you know, there are people like that that are out there. And it was the first time I'd come across somebody like that, but there's a lot of them out there. And that is really a trap. They can be weaponized against you.

But again, coming back to the fundamental issue, we have gotten so far away from the due process issues and the rule of law issues and the bill of rights. That is what's really scary because that is the core, I think, of what is happening here. You're talking about this secretive trial there with CPS. But we see it manifested in so many different ways and so many different places. that is something that people have to pay attention to. We don't have jury trials anymore. We have, they've figured out a way to bully and to manipulate people and doing plea bargaining.

And so we don't have jury trials anymore. And I understand why people look at that because they have also manipulated the process of picking the jurors. So you don't go out there and just, you know, it's just like they pick the voters for the elections. They pick the jurors for the trials. They have figured this out. They've had 250 years to figure out workarounds against the plain language of the Bill of Rights and the Constitution, haven't they?

They certainly have. And the part I find so egregious is that instead of looking at this problem, let's go back 250 years ago when somebody had a problem as a farmer or a blacksmith, the town came in to help. If the blacksmith fell ill, somebody else came in and shoot the horses or whatever it was, the ferrier. We've lost our way. we now believe the state must come in and solve our problems. We have been programmed to believe that, in fact, is the case. And, you know, we can go back in time and talk about all the different amendments. I wrote a piece the other day about the 14th.

I think that was a horrific amendment. I think everything up to the tent should be scrapped. But that's just my personal opinion. I can back it up in another conversation. But the point is we have no longer expect our neighbors to help each other. We expect the state to come in. And so this is what is a big problem in CPS because kinship care should always come before strangers, right? When a child truly cannot remain safely with a parent, for whatever reason, the first priority should be grandparents, relatives, close family friends, or trusted community members.

And, you know, this is why our legislation requires the state to identify and support kinship placements before placing children with strangers or institutions. For instance, the little boy whose mother was killed by ice a few months ago in Minnesota. His dad died two years previously, and she became acquainted with and became into a relationship with another woman. And they call each other their wives. Well, that woman was killed by ice and an ice altercation, I should say. And the other woman who is not a parent to the child, no blood relation at all, is trying to take a class. well, we are representing the grandfather who has a relationship with the child and the child loves the grandfather. We're representing the grandfather in court to gain custody of this little boy, who, by the way, the now remaining

wife is trying to trans this little boy. So, you know, leave it to Minnesota for it to be completely sideways because that's where we're in court. But this is what we're up against. So why on earth would the state of Minnesota decide that they should give this little boy to the other woman who's only been in his life or two? years, the grandfather for eight, and this woman is trying to trans this child. By what right, by what authority they have to do that? Why wouldn't kinship come first? So when the fundamentalness of family first has to be spelled out to the letter of the law, well, I guess we're going to do that, and we did. And this is very problematic in this entire system. This is, again, goes right

to the degradation of the family. So, well, we better get this fixed pretty quickly because they're pigeonholing people based on your political beliefs, your religious beliefs, and things like, you know, transing kids or whatever. And they're going to know that about every single one of us. And if we don't get a system of a rule of law and due process, open courts, and having a trial by your peers and that type of thing, our goose is really cooked with all this stuff. Because these people have got an agenda. And they're going to be coming after.

with religious persecution, political persecution, you name it. Everything is open. And I don't want to see that happening on either side. We ought to have an open and clear system of rule of law and courts. And this is anything but that. And that's one of the key things, key takeaways that people should get from your book, I think, is just to look at what a mess this is. And it's not the only area of our society where this is happening.

But it is particularly horrific because it's happening around children. That's right. Oh, it's happening to children. It's happening to our elderly, our most vulnerable, the elderly and the young. The guardianship business is just as sick and as insidious as a CPS business, to be honest. We're seeing we deal with cases every day where you have estates that are being completely liquidated by the courts and their parasitic organizations involved in the declaration of a senior being non-composementous or unable to take care of themselves. And their estates are rated. everything is turned over to the state. It's just, and the children, the heirs of the estate are left with nothing. Imagine working your whole lives. You have a beautiful family. And then all of some, the court decides that you're not able to take care of your affairs. And so they liquidate your estate and your children get nothing.

That's what's going on. So it's the same family court system. We're talking about the same judges, the same court appointed attorneys. It's the same law enforcement in a lot of cases that are involved in all this. We've got sheriffs that are taking homes before they even get awkward. They're getting first rights to buy and flip these homes or turn them into rental properties because the law enforcement is involved in, you know, taking the elderly and putting them into a group home. I mean, this is just, this is insanity. We're destroying our country over money.

Yeah. Over money. You know, and false accusations. It's a love of money is the root of all evil. And, of course, that is what's motivating this. There's massive corruption within our government. And it's because we don't stand by the rule of law. once you just give these people power and there's no accountability for anything.

That's the key takeaway from all this stuff. And again, the book is the CPS pipeline, state sanctioned kidnapping. Very important, very important. And tell us a little bit about your American Made Foundation. Sure, the American Made Foundation is 501C3. We established ourselves to address the corruption inside our agencies, and we chose child protective services because we know children

on the future. If we don't get this right, we're just condemning our children to a life of slavery and of trafficking. And ourselves as well. Exactly. Well, I mean, they're treating children like chattel. We can take this back to the birth certificate.

I mean, we have submitted ourselves to opt into their system. And their system is run by agencies and corporate codes and bylaws. There's nothing to do with natural law that God intended for all of us to be free and our founders recognize that and codified the word of God into our constitution and our Declaration and previous to that the Articles of Confederation. And, you know, this is what

is so critically important that people comprehend that we are having our freedom systematically stolen from us. And even in this administration right now, we're watching it happen day by day and we're being told it's great and trust the plan and all this. I'm sorry, I can see it unfolding and many people are waking up to it unfolding right now and they're pushing back. And so if we don't push back to protect our children and we're fighting other battles because we're more concerned with our money, then we're no better than the people who are trying to enslave us. We have to protect our children. That is the future. I absolutely agree, yes.

And again, we're talking about the Christian principles this country was founded on. That's the Christian worldview that men are not to be trusted. And the founders even said that. Let's hear no more about trusting men. Let's bind them down the chains of the Constitution. But we just look at this and we start cheering for a particular part. or an organization or a politician. And we don't care to look at what they do.

And we have lost the idea that man is not inherently good, that we all have issues. And there's this temptation that is there, this massive pot of money now that we have the Federal Reserve that can just conjure money out of thin air for as long as that lasts. That's going to be a real awakening when that goes away. But as long as it can just conjure money out of thin air, it can get whatever it wants by bribing people. And that mass of a money that is there has really corrupted this country. It really goes back to the Federal Reserve, I believe, in the fiat currency that's there. But that's another story. That's another story. Once that thing goes, it's really going to be,

that Ponzi scheme goes, it's going to be really difficult for us economically, but it'll be a very freeing thing to have real money again somehow or the other. So we'll say, you've also got a substack. Tell us about that end, where people find that. Substack is populated mostly with Maureen Steele's writings. She's a very, very accomplished writer. She's published regularly in American Thinker, Blaze, and a whole host of other journals that love what she puts out. She represents the work that we do.

If I had her gift of writing, you would never see me on television. But I have more the gift of Gab, and she has the gift of the pen. And so together we are a pretty formidable team because, you know, to bring it home, as I've said, children are our future. they are not commodities. And our families aren't for case files. We're not that, right? Parents are not guilty because the state says so.

And that applies to just about everything that you can talk about when it comes to the government. And, you know, the government at the end of the day was never meant to be allowed to hide behind the phrase of best interest of the child or whatever while they're destroying the very families or businesses or whatever it is that needs to. to be out there in order for the betterment of society. And they are doing a great job of destroying families. And sadly, when you have families that are destroyed, society breaks down. And when society breaks down, chaos erupts. And then what do people cry out for? Help us big government.

Come bring order to the chaos. That's right. And this is the perpetual battle that we're in. It's a cycle. It's just, you know, we're constantly feeding the beast with, it's a cycle. And your book does a very good job of explaining the Kafkaesque aspect of this, because that's really what we're looking at, you know, something like Kafka's The Trial. That is the world in which we live, and we've got to change that.

And the longer we wait, the more difficult it's going to be to do that. Thank you so much for joining us. Anne Vandersteel, and again, the book is, I had the title here in just a second, CPS Pipeline, the state sanctioned kidnapping. CPS Pipeline. You can find that at Amazon everywhere, books are sold. Thank you so much, Ann. I appreciate it.

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