The David Knight Show - INTERVIEW China's Organ Harvesting from Live Prisoners

Episode Date: May 3, 2023

Evidence that China is killing its religious/political prisoners to quickly fulfill demands for organ transplants. It's a harbinger of what happens when we no longer respect the sanctity of life, when an authoritarian government engages in unchecked religious/political persecution. Mitchell Gerber, stoporganharvesting.com, joins to talk about China's religious persecution of Falun Gong, Muslim, and Christian.Find out more about the show and where you can watch it at TheDavidKnightShow.comIf you would like to support the show and our family please consider subscribing monthly here:SubscribeStar https://www.subscribestar.com/the-david-knight-showOr you can send a donation through Mail: David Knight POB 994 Kodak, TN 37764Zelle: @[e-mail] App at: $davidknightshowBTC to: bc1qkuec29hkuye4xse9unh7nptvu3y9qmv24vanh7Money is only what YOU hold: Go to DavidKnight.gold for great deals on physical gold/silverBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-david-knight-show--2653468/support.

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The website is stop organ harvesting.org. And, um, he has worked on this for 22 years. He says he's right now. He's about five hours away from the Chinese border, risking his life because you know what is that? If they're going to take prisoners and remove their organs while they're alive. And of course, uh,

we have known that, uh, inferred that for the longest time as well. We know that happens with babies as well, as I said earlier in the program. So if you are exposing this stuff, you absolutely are risking your life. It is a real honor to have you on. Mitchell, thank you for joining us. Thank you, David.

The pleasure and honor is all mine. Well, thank you. You said you've been working. This is your life's work. You've been working on it for decades. How did you get involved in this? You know, Dave, to fail to support the good and to fail to expose the evil in this world is unacceptable. What is a man who cannot make the world a better place?

So when I became an American citizen many years ago, I was studying at the University of Georgia. I was about to intern at a very prestigious investment firm. And I was very stressed out. I was very anxious. I was running a couple of student organizations and I was just very stressed out. And I visited a human rights fair, a culture fair in Athens, Georgia.

And I was very intrigued by the ancient Chinese way of medicine and how they conduct themselves in terms of relieving stress and anxiety and to get the body and the mind to a very healthier way of life. And I came across this ancient spiritual practice very similar to Tai Chi, yoga, martial arts. I was a very big Bruce Lee fan when I was a child growing up with the martial arts movies. But this was intriguing to me. I was very attracted to these exercises that I learned,

I practiced in the park, called Fallen Bum or Fallen Duff. And I brought a couple of clips you can play just to introduce to your audience what this is all about. And before we do, I learned these five exercises and I am a God-fearing man, I do believe in God. I come from a Judeo-Christian family, so I don't want anything that's cultish or secular or anything that's forceful. So I was a little bit skeptical and hesitant and I was, I heard about yoga at the time, I was about 21 at the time, David. And I was very intrigued by these exercises, Hong Kong, ancient Chinese meditation.

What is this? So one of the Chinese people, guys that was there, took me to the park with a couple of other students at the university. And we started to learn these exercises. And immediately I thought, wow, this is terrific. My whole body started to learn these exercises and immediately i thought wow this is terrific my whole body started to feel unblocked i had a bit of a pain uh in my back in my in my in my shoulder i used to work out a lot and immediately i felt relieved it was it was

incredible david i'm not a superstitious man but all these um, the area surrounding my shoulder was just popping open. And my whole body felt warm. I said, well, this is pretty profound. After a couple of minutes of practicing, I've never experienced this. I've been to chiropractors, I've, you know, I've been to, to, to, to foot therapy, massages, but nothing as powerful rejuvenating as this or opening as this. So I looked more into it. I went back to the booth.

They had a little booth at the fair or festival. And I realized that this became the largest spiritual movement in China. Following Gong, also known as following Dafa. And however, these people were brutally persecuted. And after a momentary comfort, I turned to the right and I was quite cringed out, creeped out by the pictures I was seeing of all these people from professors, students, military people, politicians, celebrities, that by practicing this in China you were being tortured brutally persecuted and sent to labor camps for outrageous amount of time just for upholding your spiritual beliefs and practicing these exercises namely fallen god so i was very intrigued and this took me on my journey for 21 years exposing the ccps brutal persecution and then forced organ harvesting, which we

can get into a little later in the interview, against this innocent group of people. But if you want to play the first clip. Yeah, I don't know anything about Falun Gong. I mean, we'll play the clip that you sent. But, you know, you're talking about it as a spiritual aspect. And I know that, you know, there's been this discussion in Christian circles about yoga, for example. A lot of people look at that and say, well, it's just exercise aspects. But other people say, no, it's got a lot of significant religious and spiritual aspects to it as well.

And you talk about that. I know that the Chinese government doesn't like Falun Gong. I've been seeing that for the longest time. And of course, they've attacked the Uyghurs, the Muslims, and other areas. There's been tremendous persecution against Christians as well. And I think they do all of these different things. They get political prisoners. Whether you're a political prisoner or whether you're a religious prisoner of Christian or Muslim or Falun Gong, they will come after you and, you know, imprison you and confiscate your organs, you know, kill you, take the organs out while you're living.

So there's been a lot of stories about that for the longest time. And I do want to get into the evidence that you have for this. And there's a doctor that's also working with you. I think he is testifying before Congress today. Is that correct? Dr. Enver Totti, yes. He was the surgeon who came with me. I brought a coalition to the British Parliament in 2018. He's very busy. He's actually writing a book and testifying in the British Parliament about the Uyghur genocide. And I brought to a child traffic report in the British Parliament, David, Dr. Enver Totti, who was a surgeon turned bus driver in london i wish i had him on the show he would have he would have uh really inspired your listeners with the evidence he tells about the children's story about he how he was forced by the ccp

to do a live organ harvesting on a fallen gone practitioner that would the the man was shot and was brought to him half uh uh just bleeding out bleeding out and was and the ccp and the pla the military director uh was forced to take out the organs of the man and he did and he was full of grief he was an upcoming surgeon and he fleed to China. Which is from China to the UK. So yes, there's 52 pieces of evidence. We've been doing this since 2006 when the organ harvesting allegations surfaced and they are toxic allegations but have been confirmed and we can get into that absolutely. Sure, yeah let's talk about that. You sent some clips. Did you want to play the Falun Gong story clip that you sent? Absolutely. That was an award-winning documentary by Superfilms, two Emmy Award producers. And I think it will bring a great context to what we're

talking about to your viewers. Okay. So let's take a look since most of us don't know who the Falun Gong is. We'll take a look at this.'ll hang on folks we'll be right back uh this is a congressional resolution campaign talking about the campaign of persecution the following going starts with that in the late 90s chinese government surveys said up to 70 million people were practicing falun gong. Health bills were decreasing, crime rates were falling, and morality was rising. So why were these people targeted for elimination and organ harvesting? Mona Ye was one of the millions meditating in parks every day. There was a park across the street from my house. Because the first exercise site couldn't hold so many people anymore, it divided into the

second, the third, the fourth. So at every street corner and in every park you could see people practicing Falun Gong. There was a different kind in society. There was many policemen and military. It was just fundamental part of society at that time. And everybody knew somebody who practiced. Falun Gong is a traditional practice of self-cultivation, a practice of slow moving exercises, meditation,

and studying of the principles of truthfulness, compassion, and tolerance, and trying to the principles of truthfulness, compassion, and tolerance, and trying to adopt those into your life. While morning exercises had always been popular in China, Falun Gong brought more than just health benefits. For thousands of years, the Chinese people have believed in Buddhas and Daos, and becoming an immortal. Falun Gong really dared to talk about these things, and

immediately people took it to heart. Oh, the true ancient good things of China have come back. However, after 50 years of political campaigns to destroy traditional beliefs, any revival of spirituality was seen as a threat to communist rule. Since I was 11, I experienced all of the Chinese Communist Party's campaigns. Group after group of good people were targeted. There was no faith, no truth. Falun Gong stood in stark contrast with communist ideology. There was no truth, no truth. Falun Gong stood in stark contrast

with communist ideology. So it would be very hard for it to be tolerated by the CCP. With more practitioners than members in the Communist Party, the Party chief, Jiang Zemin, saw it as a threat to his power and overruled the government's support of Falun Gong. Jiang Zemin issued an order to set up a special office called the 610 Office in charge of the nationwide campaign of persecution.

Known as China's Gestapo, the 610 Agency was above the law and could use any and all means necessary to achieve its sole mission to eliminate Falun Gong. The nationwide campaign began July 1999. Well, that's interesting. And this fits in a pattern that we've always seen from Marxist dictators, authoritarian dictators, but even with non-Marxist dictators. They always see religion as either an ally to control the people or as a competitor to them. I always like to think of it as these dictators believe that they're God and they don't want any competition. So as a religious aspect, I guess from that documentary, they were saying they're bringing in aspects of Buddhism and other things. They've been very active to suppress the Buddhists in Tibet.

They've been active to suppress the Muslims and the Uyghur ethnic group and, of course, the Christians and Falun Gong. Anybody that has any kind of religion that might be competition to their governmental religion, and that's a key thing, Marxism is a religion, and these people think that they're God. Anything like that, they have to eradicate it, but it's been amazing how brutal that has been, hasn't it? Absolutely, David, and adding to your point, we have to understand what the CCP is. It is an imposterous cult. We call it the Red Devil that was backed by very evil globalist entities in that time under Mao Zedong. And ever since Mao Zedong and the Great Cultural Revolution,

at least 100 million innocent Chinese have been killed under the one-child policy, there was actually blueprints about Planned Parenthood. And I think it's very important before we end tonight to show how it relates to the American Republic that is now under siege and attack by the CCP. The same kind of cultural Marxism, radical leftism, woke ideology that started in China at the

turn of the century after World War II, when China was completely open to a cult, infiltrating into its 5,000 years of culture, decimating it intentionally, and installing an anti-God, anti-Christ, atheist cult that conquered in order to kill. And there's a great documentary and publication from the Epoch Times, a stellar newspaper out of New York City, that published in, I believe, 2008 or 2009, The communist specter is ruling our world. And you can download, you can read it and you can you can listen to it, read it, watch or listen to it. And which is very interesting because from and I just want to read this to you, if I may.

America is the light of the free world and is tasked with the divinely given role of policy in the globe. U.S. military intervention proved instrumental in determining the outcomes of both world wars. During the Cold War, facing the menace of nuclear holocaust, the United States successfully contained the Soviet bloc until the disintegration of the Soviets and the Eastern European communist regime. And the success of the American experiment

with liberty and enlightened governance has spared the world from mass destruction and domination by tyrannical regimes. The American founding fathers applied their knowledge of Western religious and philosophical traditions to write the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the United States. And these documents recognize as self evidence the rights bestowed upon man by the creator by god himself starting with the freedoms of belief and speech and established the separation of powers to guarantee the republican system of government so the freedom of the west runs directly counter to the goal of communism while masking itself with beautiful visions of a collective, egalitarian

society, communism aims to enslave and destroy humanity. And David, the Communist Party, it goes on to say, did not directly take power in Western countries, but the spectre aimed to conquer the West through subversion.

And that is what we're seeing, especially on the radical left, the deception, the manipulation, the twisting of values. And this is where I understand why, after all these years exposing the Chinese Communist Party, how much of a threat it is to our own republic. It's not a democracy. Okay, it's not socialism. It's a republic. And for the republic, by the republic, for the people, by the people. And that is why the CCP, not only harvesting a live, fallen gong, who were the first people, the heroes of China, I believe, from my investigative research, warned the American republic

about the evil of communism and the CCP, which is now in the backyards of all Americans as well. Yeah, that's absolutely true. When we have, we look at, you talk about a pattern of deception, and of course, this was a deliberate thing running through Hollywood, running through university institutions. The Marxists love to take over universities. That's always been a fertile ground for them in educational institutions. But the Frankfurt School that they put in to deliberately push the communist values, and now we see it happening on social media in a weaponized way.

But let's talk about the organ harvesting aspect of it, some of the evidence that you've laid out here that you guys have discovered as you're investigating this. Tell us, what is the evidence that you've seen, besides testimony from people. There's other interesting circumstantial evidence, I guess we could say, of this going on in a massive way. Tell us a little bit about that. Absolutely. First of all, why fallen God was persecuted in China. It grew to become the largest spiritual movement, David, in all of communist China

between 1992 and 1998. The massive popularity and rapid growth outnumbered the Chinese Communist Party's membership by 30 million people. I'm living in a communist country and an independent spiritual movement or just free value mind is not allowed in a communist country. And they were completely destroyed and cracked down on it. Also Falun Gong was completely independent from the Chinese Communist Party's control. The principles are also, just like Christianity, are incompatible with a very atheist, imposterous cult that believes in destruction, murder, nepotism, inciting hatred, and decimation of

the traditional values, and to disconnecting the spirit of the individual to godly grace. And the fourth reason why Falun Gong was outlawed is because of the leader, the evil head of the CCP, which were the two presidents prior to Xi, Jiang Zemin, and not many people know about Jiang Zemin, who just passed away about maybe two months ago. He unleashed a war against Falun Gong because it became so powerful and popular among the Chinese people. Millions of dollars of health care costs were being reduced. Illnesses and deaths also were being reduced in terms of the medical communities.

It was labeled as the crime fighting practice of the Chinese people, but because of the jealous and hateful regimes, a control, a sinister control mechanism over innocent people, they labeled it as a cult, a CIA-backed cult, who are terrorists, who want to destroy people, who try and blow up subway stations. This was the propaganda machine of the CCP to demonize Falun Gong and label them as a cult in order to turn public opinion against them, round

them up and send them to over 250 concentration camps, David, called the Laogar system. And unbeknownst to me, from 2001 to 2005, we didn't realize that the forced organ harvesting was going on until in 2006, when David Kilgore and David Mattis, two attorneys, one was a crime prosecutor of the Canadian Parliament, David Kilgore, who unfortunately passed away, and David Mattis, who is a Winnipeg lawyer in human rights and genocide law, came out and exposed the crimes against the CCP in 18 hard-hitting points. And so before I go into that, may I share the second clip with the audience, just to go into the evidence as you would like?

Is that the one the world needs to know? Is that it? I believe it's the world needs to know, yes. I believe that's that one. Worst crimes in history began taking place in hospitals throughout the country as organ transplants suddenly began to skyrocket. We've been asked to investigate allegations that there has been harvesting of organs of Falun Gong in China. Our bottom line conclusion after considering everything as best we could was that the allegations are true. I began conducting comprehensive interviews with medical professionals, Chinese law enforcement personnel, and over 50 refugees from the Laogai system.

But I estimate that 65,000 Falun Gong were murdered for their organs from 2000 to 2008. Essentially what organ harvesting means is they're taking Falun Gong practitioners literally like cattle, holding them in prison camps, testing their blood and other vital organs, and when someone comes into the country that needs a heart, a liver, a kidney, they find a match, they take the Falun Gong practitioner, extract their organs, of course killing them in the process. People who are expecting this to sort of just be solved naturally by all we have to do is sit back and they'll fix it.

This is wrong. The West has to take a role. And the one role the West can do is say, these are our values. We cannot go beyond this. There are certain lines we can't cross. This is a red line. That's an absolute red line. Enver Toti, the surgeon turned bus driver, says it's been 20 years since he removed the

organs from that live prisoner. It remains a mystery why so few people have ever heard about the thing he says he cannot forget. This is my experience. This is a real, true story. If you keep silence, this tragedy will continue. People, they just don't want to touch this evil. Because if you touch this evil, maybe at the end of the day, you may not be able to tackle this and the consequences that is my guess so yeah david um i was going to say that those are the gentlemen those are the main investigators ethan gutman who is an investigative journalist from america he wrote

a 10-year investigation called The Slaughter, his book, and he is now actually going around the world with Dr. Enver Totti, David Mattson, and others, and exposing the crimes. And I just wanted to share with you, there are over 290 recorded audio testimonies and over 763 pieces of data of evidence that show the participation of some senior CCP officials, 45 presidents, directors and doctors from over 40 organ transplant hospitals

in organ harvesting from Falun Gong practitioners. We also have the, which is kind of interesting, I wish I could show this on screen with you. But these are the values from the China International Transplantation Network Assistance Center. And it was founded in the Transplantation Institute at the first affiliated hospital of China Medical University. It's been taken down. But some of the prices, for example, how much is your body worth? For a kidney, the profit for one kidney is $62,000. Liver is between $98,,000 $130,000. And this is on demand David, this is not just kind of, you know, a kidney in the bathtub story. This is on demand, you have a

large millions and millions of following on petitions locked up in these concentration camps. So for example, I'm a I'm an American buyer, or you you know i can be an american buyer i can be from pakistan from saudi arabia anywhere and it's also including big tech big fall excuse me big pharma the medical associations yeah etc etc and i will call and i'll say listen i heard fallen organs are the freshest and the most healthiest i need something and the doctor will say no problem come to china so i'll fly to china to shanghai they'll blood they'll forcefully blood test you forcefully blood test you and i'll find a match and i'll take the poor victim out of the camp fly him do the

organ harvesting while alive i'll give a little bit of potassium and and and uh and ascendant to sedate very little to sedate the the victim the following gone practitioner extract the organs while alive because the the the the more fresh the organs the bear the price yeah and then they'll burn and they'll take the the victim and they'll throw them in the crematories the boiler rooms ovens of hospitals, and then fly the organs out on ice to the buyer, and they will do the surgery and get a red envelope of cash. And like I said, kidneys and pancreas is $150. A heart is between $130,000 to $160,000 on demand. So I was almost imagining it's a grotesque restaurant

where you take a lobster out of the tank and cut it up right there and then. It's that sick. It's that evil it is amazing yeah that's uh we've talked many times in this program about the slippery slope that we have uh in terms of redefinition of death you know for an organ donor here in the united states and you know we're going to redefine what uh what we say somebody is is a brain dead or something i want to change that definition so we can get the organs. And so people are aware of the motivation to bend the rules, to fudge the stuff here. But this is just ruthless mercenary stuff of the sort that we saw with Fauci

and the NIH getting the baby parts for their humanized mice experiments and things like that, putting out the orders for Planned Parenthood. But this is ultimately where we go if we have a corrupt authoritarian regime that doesn't value human life and also sees itself in competition with every religion that is there. Let me ask you before we get any further into the evidence here, though, one of the things I was thinking about in terms of Fattah al-Agu, in terms of Falun Gong, was a situation in Turkey. Was there some well-known leader that perhaps the Chinese officials felt concerned about?

I know that they have focused on like the Dalai Lama, for example. And in Turkey, you had both Erdogan and another Islamic religious figure, Fatala Gulen. Both of them were working together for a while to kind of bring back a fundamentalist Islam in Turkey. And then Erdogan saw Fatala Gulen as competition because his side of the movement started growing and he wound up being removed by the the cia to the u.s but you know there's always this type of thing where a lot of dictators will embrace a religious leader until they see that they are competition for them we just had in ukraine for example example, they created a new version of the Eastern Orthodox Church to ally it with the Ukrainians instead of with the Russians. And so there's always been this temptation to combine religion with politics and or to see any religion,

typically the Marxists see any religion as competition to them. Was there anybody that was, was that a factor in them coming after Falun Gong? Was there some person who was getting, becoming famous in that? Or was it just a kind of a large movement? Was that why it was? Mostly because it was the largest movement. But the founder, Mr. Lee Hong-Soo, is an honorary teacher who was nominated for five times a Nobel Peace Prize and also incredible awards around the world. He introduced the practice. He was a humble teacher in China, introduced this type of Qigong spiritual movement, type of Tai Chi movement, mind and body practice named Falun Gong, also known as Falun Dafa. And he grew the people. He immigrated to, I believe, America in around 1994, 1995, I believe, I'm not really sure, or 1996 could possibly be. But he started this movement and it grew to become

the largest spiritual movement in China, in china and that's the reason why the number of people outnumbering the number of chinese people in the ccp ccp officials was about three thirty million people i mean you saw hundreds tens of millions of hundreds of thousands tens of millions of chinese people from all walks of life from the highest ranking polypura members of the chinese communist party the military theburo members of the Chinese Communist Party, the military, more than half of upper class society were practicing Falun Gong at the time, which really threatened the control mechanism of the Kabbalist type of leadership, which was Jiang Zemin and his cabinet, two presidents prior.

But not many people know about Jiang Zemin, a very ruthless, evil dictator of China. And that's the reason why he unleashed, actually won on Falun Gong. And he put a bounty on Mr. Li's head of over $400 million. But I'm also very disappointed on the Uyghur side as well, in the Muslim world, because they've been doing a lot of business with the CCP. And when you do a lot of business with the CCP,

the first thing the CCP will say, see no evil, hear no evil, and speak no evil publicly. You can say it in your boardrooms all day long, but if you do, the contract between a multi-billion dollar deal in terms of steel or or slave labor or um any kind of supply in china will depend on whether you keep your mouth shut of the violations of the ccp so i'm very concerned yes uh when when when you know when people have turned their backs these god-fearing people so supposedly turn

their backs on the genocide and the murder and deny that the the uighur muslims are being persecuted and even go so far as to collude with the ccp in calling demonizing uighur muslims terrorists or house christians terrorists or tibetans terrorists even the following god particularly the largest victims of the organ harvesting it just kind of makes you a wonder where their hearts and souls are and and if you even can call them godly well it's the money you know and of course the part of the china price the the cheap prices of goods that we get here has always been slave labor it's always been based on slave labor as well as currency manipulation and intellectual property theft, all these different things.

I mean, it is a criminal regime. They killed, as you pointed out, probably 100 million of their own people in the great leap forward, starving them to death. But let's talk a little bit. And I'll say this, too. You know, we talk about the Muslims. You see that happening in the Christian side of it. They said, we'll let you set up the church of the three-person self, but we will tell you that you've got to cut certain things out of the Bible.

You can't say this. You can't say that. So you had a group of people who decided that they would cooperate with this authoritarian government that would set parameters about what they could believe and say. And we saw within the last few years now, those churches that were allowed to exist, then you had the underground church that would not compromise,

the house churches. But this church of the three-person self that was recognized, just in the last few years, they've been tearing down their church buildings and coming after them in one way or the other. You cannot appease these tyrants. And so, you know, you cannot work with them. You cannot appease them at all.

Let's talk a little bit, though, about what is really happening with some of your evidence about the fact that this is being done to criminals. That is, other than the testimony. You talk about the waiting times. Tell us a little bit about the waiting times in the U.S. versus the waiting times in China, for example, to get organ transplants. Absolutely. And that was what the, well, very well said about what you said about the, I'm making a differentiation about the CCP churches and the underground churches. It's a totally different, that's why people are deceived.

The CCP and these kind of tyrannical governments and regimes, I won't even call them a government, they're an imposterous cult that infiltrated and took over the government, just like we've had traitors in our republic that have, you know, violated the constitution in so many ways. They created a deception and an illusion that China is free. There's no organ harvesting. We're actually lifting up all the millions and hundreds of millions of Chinese people out of poverty.

It's absolute hogwash. and to add to that in terms of the waiting times I'll share with you the seven types of evidence that prove the existence of an enormous living organ donor pool so the wait time you said, the wait time for a donor organ is extremely short and there are a surprising number of emergency organ transplants

as well, now going back to the and I have it with me the waiting times take a listen to this. The United States Department, David, and I just want to bring it up, but the United States Department of Health and Human Services says the average, sorry, it's just loading here, according to the data published by the United States Department of Health and Human Services, the average waiting period for organs in the U.S. is two years for a liver and three years for a kidney. In China, the waiting period for these organs at some hospitals is calculated in weeks, sometimes days.

So as Arthur Kaplan, director of medical ethics at NYU Lagoon Medical Center has said if you're going to China and you do and you're going to get a liver transplant during the three weeks you are there then that means someone is going to schedule an execution as you are there so I mean it's unbelievable here the original the oriental organ transplant center in in china two weeks the organ transplant institute of the people's liberation army is only one week for a liver transplant so this is insane and they do it on a kill to order state sanctioned kill to order on demand that's what makes it so evil but i have another i have a third clip as well david if you

would like to know about the evidence in the United Nations. Actually, the China Tribunal was set up to expose this even further with Jeffrey Nisqyusi, who was the leading prosecuting attorney for Slavonar Milosevic of the Yugoslavian dictator. And he was accompanied by six tribunal members from the US, the UK, Malaysia and Iran bringing expertise in international human rights law, transplant surgery, international relations, Chinese history and business to the forefront. So there's absolutely no doubt. I mean,

I know people have a right to be skeptical, but at this point when all this evidence is confirmed over a 22 period a year period i mean if anything just you know do the research do the work take responsibility but unfortunately you still have trolls you still have agents you still have disinformation and people are ruthless because they're all in the pockets of the ccp as you so eloquently said, David, it's all about money. Yeah, yeah, it is. Let's play the clip of the China Tribunal UN Human Rights. 2019. The Vice President. The Torben Declaration affirms the urgent need to prevent, combat, and eliminate all forms of trafficking in persons, including organ trafficking.

China Tribunal, a People's Tribunal chaired by Sir Geoffrey Nyes, considered all available evidence and concluded that forced organ harvesting from prisoners of conscience, including the religious and ethnic minorities of Falun Gong and Uighurs, had been committed for years throughout China on a significant scale, and that it continues today. This involves hundreds of thousands of victims. Acting on independent legal advice, the tribunal concluded that commission of crimes against humanity, against Falun Gong and Uighurs had been proved beyond reasonable doubt. Victim for victim and death for death,

cutting out the hearts and other organs from living blameless, harmless, peaceable people constitutes one of the worst mass atrocities of this century. Organ transplantation to save life is a scientific and social triumph, but killing the donor is criminal. Government and international bodies must do their duty

not only in regard to the possible charge of genocide, but also in regard to crimes against humanity, which the tribunal does not consider to be lascinius. It is the legal obligation of UN member states and the duty of this council to address this criminal conduct. Thank you, Mr. Dysprith. Yes, and of course what we're talking about here is ultimately human sacrifice. And we have to recognize in our society the beginnings of this

and where it's ultimately going to lead. And there's certain ingredients that are always going to be there. You're going to have an authoritarian government that's going to be secretive about what it does. And of course, no respect for human life. And all of these things are there and an antipathy towards religion. And we're seeing all of these aspects are starting to coalesce here in the United States. And so let's talk a little bit about, Mitchell, let's talk a little bit about, um, uh, Mitchell,

let's talk a little bit about some of the other aspects that you had there about evidence. One of the ones that you sent to me was surging business. Talk about the number of hospitals that do transplants. And of course, when we've talked about what's happened in the last year or so, um, again,

a lot of people in the U S are, are concerned even because it's like, well, are you taking this from somebody who really is dead? And let's be careful about the definition of what that is. And a lot of people have a lot of very valid moral concerns about transplants because of that, that you might presume that somebody might be a little bit too eager to write this person off and say that they're clinically dead. But this is an actual business. And of course, what we also saw, which gave us even more concern in the United States,

is the fact that these hospitals would refuse to do, let's say, a kidney transplant. The first case I heard about this, you had a woman whose friend was going to donate her kidney. You got two kidneys, so you can donate one and you can survive. She was a voluntary donor. They didn't have to wait for somebody to show up. They weren't taking it from someone else. She was a voluntary donor. And they refused to let it happen because neither of them were vaccinated because that violated their christian principles and so they refused to do this they

would let here in the united states because they would let people that they that they tell you that they believe is a life-saving procedure that they would let them die because they've not taken the vaccine now we're looking at this from another mercenary aspect and from another unethical aspect, withholding what they believe is life-saving care for a mercenary agenda. So while we're talking about business, talk about how many different hospitals there are in the U.S. specializing in some of these transplants versus China. It's unbelievable. I mean, this is according to Chris Smith, US Congressman of New Jersey, and he's been filing tooth and nail, as well as Dana Rockenbacher of the US Congress. And he shared about that how this is a barbaric human rights

abuse that must be stopped. And I do believe that the House of Representatives passed a unanimous bill to sanction China on organ harvesting, which was quite a feat. But again, I mean, a lot of these resolutions are toilet paper. And we can talk about the deception and the collusion. They'll talk, you know, you're a politician, I call them all the tricksters. And I've been hearing the same stuff from these people for years and years ago. Oh, we're all about the fallen gone. We want to stop the organ harvesting, but yet they're

doing business with the same regime that are doing this. This is the double edged sword that we're dealing with. And when I was in Steve Bannon, David, he pressed me for the names in front of all these people. Again, I'm five hours away from the Chinese border. And I shared with them, yes, we do have the names of all these Western politicians that have been doing business with the CCP and allowing for the global enterprise to grow in this one, in the state-sanctioned genocide that the CCP has been conducting for many years now,

at least even since the 1960s, by the way. But in terms of the skyrocketing businesses, I think this business you'll find is quite interesting. There were more than 600 hospitals and over 1,700 doctors engaged in organ transplant surgeries in 2007. By comparison, the United States has about 130 hospitals specializing in liver transplant surgery and fewer than 244 kidney transplant centers according to CNN and the National Kidney Center. So the statistics for example published by the

military hospitals in China, these two hospitals have very close ties to the Chinese military that provide a glimpse into the rapid growth of China's organ transplant market. For example, the number of completed liver transplant surgeries published on their website skyrocketed, I mean, by 30 to 40 percent at least in 2004. So it just goes to show, for example, the Oriental Organ Transplant Center's rapid growth has brought in huge revenues. For example, according to the previous media reports of the China Southern Weekend, liver transplants alone bring the center an annual income of 100 million yuan, which I'm not sure what that is, but that's big business.

It's huge. And according to the Phoenix Weekly 2006 report, this was even in 2006, the liver transplant fee from the oriental organ transplant in China was approximately $32,000, which is about 250 yuan. In 2005, it was over $40,000, and some intermediary agencies charge a brokering fee as high as $13,000 a pop. So this is big business, David. And talking about how does this relate to America? Well, let this sink in.

We did an investigation in 2016, a continued deal. We found the Chinese Communist Party's director family and human services, okay, it's all CCP related, but Dr. Li Bing, Director Li Bing, did a continued deal with Planned Parenthood who are selling the DNA the tissue and the organs from American babies okay that's why they want to kill the babies outside the womb now and they're crossing all these laws in California to legalize you know this abortion and all this kind of stuff, to sell the DNA of American DNA tissue and organs to the CCP, where now the CCP since 2016 has become the

main procurer of American DNA used under the guise of stem cell research for biological weapons research. And what was unleashed, David? Oh, the COVID-19 vaccine. And where was this supposedly concocted or moved from Ralph Baric in North Carolina and Fauci funding the Wuhan lab, the most dangerous bioweapon lab, according to Dr. Francis Boyle? The COVID-19 gain of function.

So you can't make this stuff up, David. It all ties in. That is very much a part of the bioweapon programs, gain of function stuff, and that is to target a weapon for a particular people group. That has always been a part of what they're doing. It is amazing, and we do know that that is happening, that Planned Parenthood is part of that organ stuff. That came out of their persecution of David Daleiden.

That was part of the discovery process to find out that it was our own NIH, and specifically Fauci's organization, the NIAID, that was participating in that kind of organ harvesting. So they're buying organs from Planned Parenthood to get DNA. And I imagine that for the most part, you talk about transplant tourism, transplant on demand. You're not going to be able to show up at these transplant centers here in the United States and say, I've got a kidney that's going to be shipped from China.

Can you check me in here? So you're going to go there to get the operation done. Talk a little bit about what that looks like. Did we lose the sound? Oh, we lost your sound. Can you hear me? Oh, here we go. Okay, we're back.

Yes. So talk a little bit about what transplant on demand looks like, what transplant tourism. I mean, if you go there, as you pointed out, you know that they're going to take your blood type. They're going to look through their databases and find somebody that they believe is going to be a match. I don't know that I would exactly trust somebody that's going to be murdering someone to give me their organs to do any health care. That's one of the big problems that I've got about all the vaccine mandates.

You know, if they're going to be that unethical, that they're going to deny what they believe is going to be life-saving surgery for you, then do I really trust them with anything else? We'll talk a little bit about the transplant tourism. Absolutely. I just want to share just briefly about what Gordon Chang said about the biotechnology, how if you want to find the biggest database of DNA of Americans, don't look in America. The places you will find that is in China, which is absolutely absurd. You want to talk about treason i mean that's a foreign entity procuring the number one uh

dollar base of american dna but uh he commented and i think this is interesting and i'll share with you about the transplant on demand chang has commented uh about in our quote about the ccp's efforts to gain an advantage in biotechnology. And he quotes, he says, these biotech companies from China will try to have research collaborations. They have all sorts of partnerships with the U.S. companies in DNA and genetics. And whatever they can't get legally, they will steal it. So, for instance, the hack that was discovered or released in January 2015

of Anthem, the second largest American insurance company that was in China, they got a lot of information on Americans, perhaps 80 million of them. On the other hand, China is preventing Chinese research institutes and companies from sharing Chinese DNA. So I think that's just quite, it's just, it's quite telling how treasonous our politicians have become yeah yeah it's kind of the same thing with tiktok you know they're not going to allow the kind of filth that they promote on tiktok they're not not going to allow that filth in china yeah it is truly amazing what is happening with that now you know it's um uh again this has been going on for quite i even back back in the late nineties, I remember,

and I mentioned this at the beginning of the program, uh, the body plasticized, plasticized body projects, right? Evidence that they had murdered prisoners in order to get those bodies, uh, was already, uh, surfacing, uh, the transplant on demand stuff was not as well investigated as it is now. Uh, but that is pretty much been understood. I remember one of these cases, there was one guy who witnessed it, who nearly, um, uh, was, uh, killed himself, but they found that he had some kind of a health.

And, uh, so he was kind of spared by that disease and, and he ultimately got out and got to the West. But they didn't use him for a transplant simply because of their test and found out that he had a particular type of disease. So I guess they want to keep up their reputation to some degree with people, the elites that are out there that are able to spend money and engage in transplant tourism. Absolutely. In terms of the transplant demand, I mean, this has been going on for several, several years, and it's on demand. I mean, this is state sanctions, all run by the military and the highest ranking officials

of the Chinese Communist Party. It's big business. It's a multi-billion dollar business yearly to cut out the organs while alive and then sell the organs for hundreds and thousands of dollars. And according to Wang Fangliang in his 2004 investigation in Life Week magazine, I know it's 2004, but it holds precedence know like the constitution of 1776 will always hold precedence over treason and the us codes and the executive orders that uh that that have been implemented to stop this kind of treason from happening it's all constitutional law but he says

besides korean patients there are patients from more than 20 countries and regions in Asia, such as Japan, Malaysia, Egypt, Pakistan, India, Saudi Arabia, Oman, Hong Kong, Macau, and Taiwan. We have come to the central hospitals in China. And the actual ward looks like an international conference center where patients of different colors and ethnic backgrounds gather to share their medical experiences. And what happened was uh david is that ever since this happened at least um by 2006 2007 uh the the organ tourism business in the united states and canada skyrocketed as well between 30 to 40 percent and um you could just call the hospitals and and ask for these these organs and kidneys and livers.

Actually, in the last clip, I think I have a doctor. There's a tape conversation that an investigator that is disguised as a buyer calls the doctor. I think you'll find that quite interesting with the listeners. Yeah, go ahead and play that. This is from the documentary Hard to Believe. By 2000, Falun Gong practitioners were disappearing into labor camps in mass numbers. At the same time, Chinese hospitals began promoting their organ transplant expertise. I'm David Maitis, and with me is David Kilgore. We've been asked to investigate allegations that there has been harvesting of organs of Falun Gong in China.

David Kilgore is a former member of Parliament and former cabinet minister for Asia Pacific. And I'm a Winnipeg lawyer doing immigration, refugee and international human rights law in Winnipeg. And we have now done our investigation and we're producing this report. And I didn't know whether it was true or not, and so my task initially was to try to figure out a way of approaching the issue so that I could either prove it or disprove it and not just walk away and say, I don't know. The number of executions in China varied widely

depending on who was counting. But Matus says no matter which number he used, the number of executions and the number of organs didn't add up. The transplant volumes increased substantially after the persecution of Falun Gong began. And, I mean, there's a lot of other evidence, but the most likely explanation for the increase is the Falun Gong. We pursued every investigative trail we could find. In the report, you will see that there are 18 different avenues of proof and disproof we considered and evaluated.

Our bottom line conclusion after considering everything as best we could was that the allegations are true. We believe them to be true, that this harvesting is indeed happening. Metis says what made Falun Gong organs especially attractive was the practitioners' healthy lifestyle. They do not drink or smoke. On many of the recordings of phone calls made to more than 100 Chinese hospitals, doctors assure callers that transplant organs are from healthy Falun Gong practitioners.

Yes, of course, a good one would be picked up. They're from Falun Gong. Only that would work because these things we need have high quality assurance. So would you go yourself to pick them out? Yes, of course, we go to pick them out. Yeah, there you go, quality control. That is where we are headed if we reject morality. That's why these issues of life are not side issues. They're not cultural issues that we can just dismiss.

These are fundamental to the kind of society that we're going to live in. The religious values in America were fundamental to creating the society that we created. And if we lose those values, you can see what it looks like in China. It has truly been amazing to talk to you, Mitchell. And of course, we can find more information, Mitchell, Nicholas, uh, Gerber find more information at stop Oregon, harvesting.org. And tell us about the movie that we've seen a couple of clips from as well. Absolutely.

David, it's been an honor and pleasure as well. And I'm grateful to everybody who's shooting in tonight because it's very important. I do this for no fame, no, money no any recognition like i said it's very important to take yourself out of your own uh self-interest and try to do a little bit good for humanity but be a hard to believe is an award-winning documentary from um swoop films and you can download it so you can watch it if you go to hard to believe movie.com hard to believe movie.com and I will also recommend

people to try to learn the exercises if you're stressed out if you're having anxiety doesn't matter whether you're Christian Buddhist atheist Catholic Muslim it's a beautiful overall stress relieving exercise and meditation. Doesn't cost you a thing. And you can go to learnfallengong.com as well. Learnfallengong.com. And also, I just want to share, if I may, one more thing, David, for all the skeptics out there, may I? Yeah, sure. Go ahead. Okay ethan gottman a uh the one of the investigators who was interviewed he said what do you say to those people who still doubt that organ harvesting has occurred always occurring on a large scale in china especially through the use

of following competitions the dogs bark the car moves on, he says, look, the slaughter has been out for a year. That's plenty of time for serious reviewers to question my conclusions. I can't think of one who has. Even the South China Morning Post, which obviously had to give a critical review, given their financial relationship with the mainland, doesn't dare. And I stand by every footnote, every interview. I don't begrudge anyone the right

to doubt as I say in my book these are serious allegations toxic allegations but no one no one has the right to dismiss the allegations without actually reading the corpus of work that has been published the slaughter bloody harvest and state organs books not to mention all the investigative reports that have been authored by the Epoch Times, the World Organization to Investigate the Persecution of Falun Gong and Doctors Against Forced Organ Harvesting. This investigation started in 2006, yet the volume of investigative work is only increasing. You want to comment? Hit the books. If someone is too lazy to read about this subject

or just doesn't care enough about Chinese atrocities to bother, perhaps they should keep silent. So I want to take my hat off to you, David. You are an amazing investigator. You are an amazing host. I've seen the work that you've done. I'm a big fan, and I'm actually honoured in this historic time to be on a show like yours to expose this evil

and defend the good name of Falun Gong as a God-fearing Christian and a God-fearing man. So thank you, David, and God bless you. Well, thank you, Mitchell, and thank you for standing against this heinous practice. But I just want to tell people here in our country, you know, it's very easy to project these things onto China and to say, well, they need to get their house in order. We need to understand that that is a picture of what is coming for us if we throw away the fundamental values that we have. We have the forces, the same forces that want to enforce an authoritarian regime of censorship, that wants to oppose the free exercise of religion, that wants to ban the family, that wants to murder innocent babies and mutilate children and sexualize them, all of these different aspects.

This is the essence of evil. This is how it is manifested. And this is not some side issue. This is not something that can easily be dismissed. This has been the problem with the Republican Party for a very long time. They look at this and say, well, you know, but what are the tax rates going to be? What can we do for spending? So this has been for a very long time where Republicans have, on a political standpoint, just kind of tapped out. And then the churches have tapped out of politics, and they don't want

to get involved in that. This is not, again, it's not simply a cultural warfare. This is spiritual warfare, and it is pure evil. And we can see where this is going to ultimately go. I don't have time to get into a video that I was going to show you about transgenderism, but if we can mutilate and sexualize children, if we can chop up these children at birth for a Frankenstein experiment of transhumanized mice and our own government doing it, our own government will do this type of stuff to us that is happening in China now. So it was great talking to you, Mitchell. Again, the website is stoporganharvesting.org. Thank you so much, and I hope that you can bring light

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