The David Knight Show - INTERVIEW Dr Shiva: the "Swarm" of Politicians Like Trump/Biden& Entertainers Like Alex Jones/Tucker Carlson

Episode Date: September 15, 2023

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And joining us now is Dr. Shiva Ayyadurai. And we'll say hello to the people who are on his live stream who are also following us. And, of course, he is running for president, and he's done so many different things. And he was, as we were connecting while this commercial break was going on our program, he was saying, you know, let's follow up on what a real leader looks like. So what does a real – thank you for joining us, Dr. Shiva. And what does a real leader look like? We were talking about what is happening in Argentina,

what is happening in America with Trump. Well, David, I think if you look at, in my sense of real leadership, is there's three elements, you know. There's a clear vision um there's a scientific or philosophical framework that you can communicate to people on why that vision should be supported and then the last piece is a practicality or what we call the engineering you know how do you execute on that vision because it's good to talk about stuff but you got to be able to execute on it. And this is true, I think, in any endeavor. If you're serious about something, if you're an entrepreneur, you have a very clear vision.

You have to have some physics or science, how you're going to achieve that vision. And there's a material reality of how you execute it. That's right. And to me, those are sort of the three foundations. And if you tie that into the foundation of our country, you know, you've got a clear articulation of the view, of the general view of what government's purpose is in the Declaration of Independence. And then you've got the plan and the framework of how you're going to achieve that in the Constitution. And we seem to just, that doesn't really matter anymore.

We just do whatever we think is going to make us popular or give us fame, fortune, and the following, right? Yeah, I think you nailed it and the reason this has happened is i think you mentioned this about how hollywood essentially finds characters you see to run their operations they have the front you may have seen that swarm video i did david if you haven't you should check it out it's a 15 minute video that i really I really explain what the swarm is. It's not really a swamp because it means it's a geographical location. And what's important when you go through that, you really understand that the forces of power, profit, and control have people who are just interested in power right um the 100 University presidents you know the uh let's say those people were involved in uh uh the non-profits like Clinton Global Initiative right all these kinds of people then the other people are interested in just profit maximum

maximization of profit at any cost right which? Which includes the central banks, probably 2,000 leaders of the major CEOs. And then front-facing is you have the way to control the masses. And the controlling of the masses involves the obvious establishment that everyone says, oh yeah, they're evil, right? The Clintons or the Bushes. By and large, people sort of understand that. But the more, I think the insidious people are the not of understand that but the more um I think the insidious people are that not so obvious establishment the Trumps right the Joe Rogans uh the Carlson's as I like to call them right um and we're going to talk about our interaction with Alex Jones you know and it's important to have a candid conversation I stopped going on

Alex's show and you had a falling out with him and i think it's important for the public to understand why we sort of don't support that anymore yeah and that's a deeper discussion which follows into this obvious and not so obvious establishment and and they've what what's really happened david is they've gotten so good now the swarm itself evolves its intelligence evolves so they're watching you know you know the behavior of our movement that the fact we're getting on the ground and handing out leaflets right they're watching that you know we're relentlessly exposing Kennedy we're relentlessly exposing Trump and in response to that they see they have enough data

wow people are starting to follow Dr. Shiva. They're starting to absorb his content. And so immediately they'll manufacture these people actually mouthing back our positions, but to lead people back into the establishment. But that dynamic is what people need to get educated about. But coming back to what you were saying, David, is, yeah, the founders had a clear, they actually had sort of a classical philosophical framework right coming out of sort of uh classical liberalism philosophy right or the period of the enlightenment then they had the engineering

because these guys were engineers and surveyors and architects you know um jefferson could build stuff um franklin was an inventor, you know. Washington was a surveyor. They actually had to build real things with their own hands, not like outsourcing to others. And then they had a very clear vision, right, which was there were inalienable rights. This is quite profound. And because they were builders and they were scientists and they were visionaries. They materialized all of that. You know, they said, okay, we're going to have balance of power.

I mean, when you look at the documents that they wrote, they're like engineering diagrams to me, you know? They're like blueprints. They're specifications. Any of these fellows here could, I mean, I can't think Trump even writing one sentence of the Declaration of Independence or Constitution, right? I can't think of Booboby Kennedy doing any of this,

you know? So what we have, we kind of read like chat GPT, you know, it's trying to plagiarize something. I talked about that earlier. It's really kind of a joke. It can't turn it into English type of thing,

you know, and it's, uh, plagiarizing it and then translating it into English. That's what they would probably do. Uh, but that's a key thing. That's what they would probably do. But that's a key thing. You know, they had a vision, a clear vision.

You know, the government is there to protect our rights. That's the principal mission of the government. They set up a framework to do it and to guard against as much as possible. But, of course, it has to be enforced by us. And then it was their character that was the other part of it. And that was a big part of it. You know, the character that you could believe these people to follow through and to execute what they talk about. That's the thing that is, that's why people become so cynical. We see that crucial element seems to always be missing. Uh, even if somebody has got a great

plan, they don't execute on it. They do exactly the opposite. And then we're told that it's 40 chest. Don't worry. He's still on our side side he's lying to the other people not to us right yeah i think what's happened david to this character piece um what's happened is a degeneration of these basic fundamental values and the degeneration piece has been to convince people look our leaders ultimately reflect our consciousness. This is my view. So they've convinced people that your personal integrity and your public integrity can be two different things. There was an interview with this fool, Boobie Kennedy, as I call him, and that's what we should call him. And I call him that because I

want people not to have respect for these people. And the interviewer starts talking about how, you know, Herschel Walker, you know, said one thing and does another thing, right? He said he was against pro-life and then he had various abortions. Or his own uncle who killed a woman here, Ted Kennedy. So Booby's squirming. And he goes, well, let me tell you, your personal integrity and your public integrity are two different things. Wow. The people, quote unquote, to Megyn Kelly. So you have people telling you to your face, this is their new ethos.

I can do anything what I want. I can hire prostitutes. I can have a relationship with them when my wife is pregnant. I can pay them off. I can travel with Epstein on his plane. I can travel with Epstein. But you Christian evangelicals will still think I'm a redeemed, good, saved human being. So they have manipulated people to lowering their standards at such low levels david and so what needs to happen

is you you have to set the standards high and you cannot compromise and those people who come you build a movement around that and then like a magnet you bring more and more more filings over right but if you if you compromise to the 30 of people have no integrity in my view, or resistors, 50% of people are watching which way the wind blows, their ethics are based on which way the wind blows. And there's 20% who will always stand firm. And my view is you don't kowtow to the 50%. You don't kowtow to the 30%.

You completely don't even argue with the 30 even you know but you mobilize the 20 with the highest values in our case truth and freedom and health right right and and you educate those people you educate those people that you should have a really vicious you know you have to be like a doberman to those 30 of the people and these numbers by the way david many many years ago when i was like 29 years old i was running a company called echo mail um and i was invited uh to speak to the top 2500 general motors executives all right with a guy that i shared the stage with the very very wise guy by the name of Price Pritchett. He was one of the world's leading organizational theorists. GM was having major problems then. He got up on the stage and he said, look, 30% of people in your organization, and by the way, he'd studied

all different organizations, pygmy cultures, aboriginal cultures know non-profit organizations fortune 1000 companies and he always noticed 30 of people are complete resistors they will they will always never want to do anything okay 50 of people are the uh fence sitters he called them and then 20 are the change agents and he said the biggest mistake change agents make, they spend 90% of their time arguing with the 30% and they burn themselves out. So he said, you have to be like a Doberman at those 30%. You have to viciously annihilate them because they will destroy your organization. So in my view, Trump,oby kennedy you know now they have this other brown-nosed brahmin big pharma bullshit vivac the snake right and they man you tool c gabbert

another one right they manufacture these people um and these people are typically the ones that you know the eight billion people are taught to say, well, you know, they did say some nice things, David. David, why are you attacking Trump? You know, he did work hard for us. You know, boobie did do this and that trick. And those are the people that are used to manipulate the other 50. So it becomes not just that it's they'll, they'll say, well, sometimes they don't even have to come up with something nice about their candidate. They just tell you how awful the other guy is. You know, you don't want this other guy, you something nice about their candidate. They just tell you how awful the other guy is. You don't want this other guy.

You take anybody other than that guy. So let's go with this. And they'll always give you a choice. It's A or B. It's just the Gellian dialectic. This flyer we came up with, the lesser of the two evils is killing your children. I don't know if you see that. And that's become the focus, the core of the campaign.

So what is the vision that we have, David? A very clear vision, truth, freedom, health. And notice I don't use the word and. It's truth, freedom, health. It's a composite structure. So vision-wise, you need all those three, because without freedom, you can't do any real science to get to truth. And without truth, you can't really understand what's good for your economic health, physical health, infrastructure health. And without truth, you can't really understand what's good for your economic health, physical health, infrastructure health. And without health, you fundamentally have no way of fighting for freedom of truth. You don't have the wherewithal.

You don't have the strength. So in my view, all those three have to exist. So that's a clear vision. The philosophy and the science of that, David, at know at the time of the time of our founders you know they were coming off the enlightenment right or the a period of great uh new findings in chemistry and science etc so these people are very moved by science right the physical sciences were being you know physical chemistry was coming with the work of lavasier and all these kind of guys right so they had a physical sense and they had a deep curiosity so they were including scientific philosophy some of uh you know uh classical philosophy right and then they so here in the

and we live today david when you step back in the world of very complex systems now the systems we have today really didn't exist you know in 1776 we didn't have a transportation system we didn't have health care systems and we didn't have election systems right it was much simpler so it was only the 1900s and the 1950s that the science of systems came. So system science, which is by the way, what the elites learn, George Soros is one of the leaders in the field of reflexivity theory. So if we want to be a leader in today's world, and you don't understand how systems work at a scientific level, you're just a moron, okay? Because someone else is going to tell you what to do, right? So as a systems scientist who studied this for years, in order to achieve that vision of truth, freedom, health, and to really do a systems overhaul, that's where we're at, you need to have a foundational understanding of systems science. So we now educate people

on that, David. It's not only for the hallowed halls of MIT. And then the engineering is you have to get on the ground. There's no other way to change the world anymore because social media is completely controlled by the elites. The First Amendment is destroyed. On November 16, 2018, Trump is the one who signed CISA into law, the Cybersecurity Infrastructure Security Agency, as my lawsuit revealed, is the one that allowed the unholy alliance between government and social media companies to destroy the First Amendment. Trump did that, unanimously voted by every member of Congress, by unanimous consent by every member of the Senate. So everyone needs to understand that all of these people were involved in destroying the First Amendment.

They passed a law which abridges our freedom of speech. And what does the First Amendment say? Congress shall pass no law to abridge freedom of speech. That's what they did. Brought to you by Trump. That's right. Yeah, and you go back and you look at CISA, you know, the way I pronounce it, but, you know, it used to always be CISPA, right?

They tried over and over again to get CISPA through there. What was the P why'd they take it out? Well, because that was protection, right? And we all know that what it was protection for was for the, uh, corporations were going to be protected from any liability when they spied on us as the deputized state. And so when they finally got it through, they, they took that out and pretended that wasn't really what it was about. It was about protecting us. It's always about protecting us.

And when they enslave us and they throw the Constitution, it's always about our protection and our safety. But that's the subversion that was there from the very beginning. And, of course, you know, going back to 2018, that's when they first started openly uh colluding and censoring on a massive scale and uh and it's it's been that way ever since i mean i can't even get i've been kicked off so many times off of youtube i don't even bother to get on anymore i just you know go to rumble and other places like that because the last time i got kicked off she was because uh i had um i thought well let me just put up some christmas music that i did for the program and i have uh you know music that i do is is for a little bit of a break that's about a minute.

So I had several Christmas songs I put up. That was it. It was just Christmas music. And they banned me after six months. No explanation. So I can't even put music up on YouTube. I'm a banned person. But what's happening is anyone who gets massive visibility by the mainstream media or what I now call the grifter media, Inc., you know, the Joe Rogans, the Carlson's, the James O'Keefe's, right? You can go down the list.

It's a grifter media. They are and they may even say negative stuff against them, right? That is allowed because that's a fake dialectic that they're creating. Yes. Anyone who exposes that swarm is shadow banned. Yeah, that's right.

And, you know, I know this on a very personal level because in 2020, as you, you know, as we've shared before, and they, you were one of the few people to cover it.

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He had all of it. They waited two years to delay the truth. That was a limited hangout. It was a CIA intelligence operation that Tucker did with the intercept that's what really happened then Elon Musk another goon of the establishment was brought in to essentially sugarcoat and make the conservatives think now Twitter was a safe place yes and all the conservatives fell into line Dinesh D'Souza another opportunist scumbag okay james woods every one of them they started bowing down to elon and now you have isaac walter isaacson doing a

big biography on him who by the way comes out of the aspen institute which is like this with the wef right oh yeah yeah so they are creating their false heroes so now they have their neo-media swarm. Tucker Carlson, Elon Musk, Joe Rogan. And these people promote the dialectic. So you have Boobie Kennedy who says, oh, Elon Musk is fighting censorship. When he knows he came to all of our lawsuit hearings, he knows a backdoor portal still exists. He knows Elon has done nothing. He elon and government are like this spacex six billion dollars elon got he got what 1.5 billion dollars from uh government to make uh tesla profitable and the section 230 immunity ensures

that twitter so elon musk where government ends and Elon Musk, nobody knows. So all of these guys are part of the swarm. And when you expose them is when they shadow ban you. They put you into what now it's a digital cage. They let you on Twitter, but they control it. Yes. Right. That's censorship 10.0.

Yes. Right. What's great, David, the good news is this and I want to share the good news because in 2020 we got our stuff out to about a half a billion people it was a time when the sensors hadn't caught up right so now when they make us invisible David we have so many people saying wait a minute Dr Shiva's the one who ran the fire Fauci campaign why is Megan Kelly now covering it wait a minute dr shiva is the one who talked about the immune system and how you need to boost natural immunity dr shiva is the

one who discovered the backdoor portal why did carlson wait two years why isn't any one of them interviewing him when he's probably the most qualified candidate to become president he's got all the degrees he has a science he. He has an engineering. He has a vision. And that active invisibility that they're doing, David, in my view, it's going to destroy them, and it's a good thing. Now, added to that, we encourage people to get on the ground because when people get on the ground, they can't manipulate this. We tell people in a simple way, old school, take a bumper sticker, put it on the back of your car. 100,000 people see it. So we're encouraging people to make them empower themselves to think, to fight, and to heal. And no one else is going to do it.

And then we've given them the operating system to do that, David. You know, all the science. I could still be just a professor at MIT teaching, right? We've taken it out of there and brought it to the masses. So that's what's exciting, David. And I think it's important that we get out, that we transcend these systems. As you point out, when you look at the electoral system,

I got involved with third-party stuff 30 years ago. I was idealistic enough to think that maybe we could make a change with it. And I found out just how controlled the two-party system is from ballot access to debates to the rest of the stuff. And it's only gotten worse. And so they control this from the inside very rigidly. I mean, just take a look at what is happening with the debates. Even what is happening with the debates between the different candidates and how they're being shut down.

I think the Democrat Party has taken it to a new level to protect Biden as we're going through all this. But that's the way they can manipulate these things from the top down and that's how they control who even gets on well i think the democrats i think they're doing something even more insidious david um what's happened is if you look at the democrats or the republicans typically they have the obvious establishment wings right let's say the bushes or the Republicans. Typically, they have the obvious establishment wings, right? Let's say the Bushes on the right or the Bidens. The swarm is actually getting more intelligent, David, and we need to understand this so we don't get fooled by Boobie Kennedy, because he's a complete bulls**t. Let me explain why. If you go back to 1984,

you remember Jesse Jackson, right? Remember him him he was running for president right but they had the obvious establishment which was reagan and let's say the obvious establishment candidate which was what's his face uh mondale they had the wings of the right which were like the emerging tea party and they had the wings of the left the wings which which sometimes will talk against the establishment. Like Jesse Jackson would say stuff against Mondale, and he was building a quote-unquote movement. At the last minute, Jesse Jackson brings all of his votes, and he says, look, we need to choose the lesser of two evils. Okay, and the left and the right have been doing this. What's happened recently, if you look at the the uh sanders that was his job sanders did that

in 2016 for hillary he took all the young volunteers and got oh yeah hillary she's part of the establishment you know did that thing even though he's with them says all the words to act like he's anti-establishment and then at the last minute he gives all of his votes to hillary clinton all right this selection bernie typically they wait until like november to do that or october bernie's already done that right so in my view they don't have a not so obvious establishment on the left that's where kennedy comes in kennedy literally david i can show you word for word has spies come into our campaign literally steal our content word for word and so they are setting him up and potentially tulsi

gabbard to come in to be the new not-so-obvious establishment, mouthing all this stuff, and being the alternative to the, quote-unquote, the Democratic left wing, okay? And I think one of the things about Kennedy that has bothered me the most is, you know, this new book that he's done, which is all about the Wuhan lab. And I see this, as I did from the very beginning, as a move to legitimize all these pandemic actions to say, hey, this is a real pandemic and it's the Chinese and we got to go get the Chinese because the Chinese are the enemy of the establishment.

And so to me, that was a real establishment move of misdirection because, you know, again, forgetting, let's ignore the vaccine and stuff like that. Let's focus on the Wuhan lab. I think that is a real revelation of where he's coming from when you're talking about, you know, being a fake opposition. That really is well what david they're both connected because remember the kennedys there's two threads that go through the kennedys they were the really the purveyors the beginners the pioneers of global imperialism you know u.s imperialism john kennedy was not fighting the military industrial academic complex. There's a wonderful video that just came out. If you look at the Kennedys on the imperialist front, Kennedy was an absolute imperialist, right? But the Camelot mythos is created, forgetting the fact that he was a reckless

idiot. He created one of the biggest blunders with PT-109. He wasn't even allowed to go into the Navy. His father had to get him in, know Joe Kennedy and then when after he was shot because it was a mob war in my view one mobster fighting against another mobster they had to make him as though he was fighting against the establishment when in fact four weeks before he dies or is assassinated he says we must stay in Vietnam he wanted to escalate the war there the video just came out okay then they make the brother seem like robert kennedy the father of booby seem like he's some peacenik he's giving a massive talk on the floor of the u.s senate completely supporting lbj's escalation of the war and then Booby is a multi-tongued snake.

When he launches his campaign, he says, we are in Ukraine, quote unquote, for all the right reasons. And he goes, however, I'm against regime change. Oh, but I want to thank my son who went and fought there. But he's the one who endorsed Hillaryary clint three times who's a mistress of regime change right everywhere she went she's the one who did the regime change in ukraine so that's just on the imperialist front and now going after china trying to create the dialectic that it's us versus china right when you know that both of these organizations have worked together against people,

right? If anything, the whole concept of BRICS is a new, not so obvious establishment to move. The trillionaires are going to move capital out of the US to these emerging markets, destroy the US and bring them back. So now if you go look at the vaccine thing, you'll see the same thread of what a scumbag he is go back to john f kennedy he's the one who created the 1962 vaccination act which created all those corrupt institutions in government but most importantly it said government has a right to come into your physical body that was done by john kennedy wow wow all right 1962. then 24 years later, as people are getting injured, they're filing lawsuits legitimately in the third branch of government called the judiciary in federal cases.

Drive safe and obey the rules of the road. Vehicle owners who receive a red light or speed camera violation can pay or dispute online at toronto.ca.aps. Ted Kennedy, the guy who murdered a woman here in Massachusetts and got away with it, Boobie's uncle, John Kennedy's brother, is the one who was a co-sponsor of the Senate side of the bill to create the 1986 national vaccine injury program which basically said we're going to protect big pharma you can't go to the judiciary and sue you must now sue within a new government entity more government yes that they put under health and human services

the incisive thing that people need to understand about Booby, he's a freaking snake. What he says, you know, when I got into the medical freedom movement, I realized all these contradictions. Wait a minute, Hillary Clinton three times. Here in Massachusetts, he came and endorsed his own nephew who's pro-rabidly for vaccine mandates in 2020. Then at his own home, right? People like to have an RNA jab. But more interestingly is everyone needs to actually look at what he's saying. He's saying, I believe, he said this,

we have a live on video. I'm for full vaccination of all Americans. I vaccinated all my kids. And then he proceeds, that's the first part of the video. And then the second part of the video is even more damning. If you really study it he says what does he say he goes we must um he attacks the cdc and all these organisms that got created by his uncle but he goes he's going to now getting back to the very important word used create safe vaccine safety whenever we hear the word buzzword safety it means more government more government's going to get into like we talked about what happened after 9 11 right yeah absolutely and you look at the other part of this that you know i talked about the different mcguffins they always have some kind of a crisis that they use to scare so it doesn't really matter

what it is as hitchcock said right the mcguffin doesn't matter because he's Maltese Falcon or whatever. It could be climate change, but they always use that to achieve their objective. And he's a true believer on that kind of stuff. And he has pushed that very hard. And you hear him say the kind of things like, well, you know, we wouldn't have to worry about getting rid of fossil fuels if you just stop the subsidies. And yet when you look at the subsidies that are there for the green stuff, uh, you know, and he believes that government is in the sense of the old style Democrat, uh, selling the idea that government can solve our problems. But I, I like what you were talking about before in terms of the Kennedys and the different, you know, crime families shooting it out. You know, today, right now, at this point in time, we haven't had any physical assassinations or anything. We got this lawfare thing that's going back and forth. And, uh, I saw an interesting thing from

James Carville, the old Democrat strategist. And he said, how did we get so lucky for them to impeach Biden? They love this stuff. And I I've always looked at this and I said, you know, they can't be so dense and so stupid that they don't understand how they're building Trump up. They want to build Trump up by the indictments. And that makes him the avatar, the messiah for the followers of Trump. And now Carville is saying, all right, now they're going to do it for our side, for Biden. He really needs help. And they both will send emails.

And they both will collect 10, 15 million bucks from those email candidates. That's right. They got it down to a racket yes oh yeah what's interesting what's interesting david is over the last you know two years i've had to even though you know i knew to hung out with trump you know i had the meetings with them you know he thinks i'm amazing and all this i've had to expose him you know hard yeah uh we've had to expose the fact you know over the last six months i'm saying wait a minute you trumpers you know they would make the excuse oh trump had to protect fauci right or he could fire fauci and then but when we shared with him look here's a commendation award he gave yeah 12 hours before he left now megan kelly didn't do anything about that

yeah and she's part of the swarm too so you have to wonder why is she suddenly doing this interview that was another theatrics that they just did two two nights ago making her break because i think carlson has lost all this credibility so now they need to create a new msm person as though who's unbiased so they bring her in she asked why didn't you fire fauci why didn't you you know why did you give this commendation award oh i didn't give it to him but they're creating the new dynamic it's pure theater a week ago trump said we will not comply he says when i'm back in office i will get rid of these vaccine and mask mandates but precisely he was saying oh i can't get rid of these vaccine and mask mandates. But precisely he was saying, oh, I can't get rid of them.

That's what the governor's forced me to do. So they have this down, David, to this point, I think you're saying, with the Biden, whatever, impeachment, pure theater. Yeah, it is. It is. It's pure theater. And even when she talks to him about Fauci, she repeats his excuses. Well, it would have been too controversial,

or I don't have that power, she repeats his excuses. Well, I, you know, it'd have been too controversial or I don't have that power, that type of thing. And yet, uh, it wasn't, you know, he, it didn't bother him when he fired a Comey, you know, everybody said, oh, you can't do that. The FBI directors are appointed for 10 years. Oh, he fired him. He didn't even money for both sides. Yeah, exactly.

And then he did the same thing. He did the same thing with Andrew McCabe. I mean, the bottom line is that the swamp is under the executive branch you you know you can fire these people and uh he chose not to do it and even ran a campaign video which i played here many times uh where he campaigned on his obedience to fauci it was a super cut of fauci talking about how every time i told him to do this he did it you know and and basically it was really kind of an emasculating to do this, he did it, you know, and basically it was really kind of an emasculating thing to say that he did everything that Fauci told him to do when he told him to do it.

But that was his campaign video. He had the top of the text to this amount to contribute to the Trump-Pence campaign and all the rest of this stuff. I mean, he campaigned on that, gave him the medal, all the rest of the stuff. He could have done that, but he chose uh, turn over the government to Fauci. And as I said earlier in the program, I, I don't buy the idea of even of the mandates. I said, uh, when in the run-up to the election, I said, uh, people are going to, these guys have different ways of approaching. You can offer carrots, you can offer sticks to get people to do this kind of stuff. And we saw that really with DeWine when he offered a million dollar bonus of people to take the

vaccine. I said, Trump is going to run it out that way. He's going to run it through the corporations. And a lot of the stuff that Biden did was through corporations. He did have outright mandates, but Trump also supported mandates back in May of 2019, mandates for MMR vaccines. And he said, it's going around, you got to get it. And so, you know, I don't have any problem believing that he would do it. During 2020, 2021, he was the pharma's ad man. Yes.

I got the FDA to do this. He was supporting Operation Warp Speed. Yes. Pfizer's revenue was, you know, had lost $25 billion. He's the one who, who i mean just look at the facts he took in a million dollars to his inauguration campaign from pfizer i mean the data is just in front of us the issue is david that that 30 percent of people who are the quote unquote maga cult members right we're never going to be able to change them but we're finding david the

more we expose trump and kennedy like we do open houses every th But when we're finding David, the more we expose Trump and Kennedy, like we do open houses every Thursdays, we're finding now a whole set of people who are coming. We're truly enlightened people. Well, they need to understand that they need to understand that. Look, I've gone down the list. I said, you know, what do you think about the lockdown? What do you think about being called? Um, non-essential.

What do you think about the trillions of dollars, uh, training people for universal, uh, basic income? What do you think about the trillions of dollars training people for universal basic income? What do you think about the vaccine and all the rest of the stuff? It's like, but you support the guy who still brags about all that stuff and who still tries to tell you that the pandemic was real and it's the most dangerous thing we've ever had?

That's the cognitive dissonance. And there is hope, I think, that the people can transcend that. But they also have to transcend the partisanship as well. Well, what's happening, David, is the more we expose, like, Doberman, these guys, the Trumps, it initially creates cognitive dissonance. But we're finding a subset of people who are actually, I wish I had some of these recordings.

People are saying, you know, Dr. Shiva, I really hated you for cursing out Boob recordings people are saying you know dr shiva i really hated you for cursing out booby kennedy but you know what for two days i didn't have sleep because everything you said was true and i had to self-reflect and that's why i'm part of supporting your campaign and your movement so we're starting to get these very very enlightened people david and those are the people that you can build a solid movement on you say and that's what's happening so it's So it's a good thing. But I think it's a good time to transition to Alex Jones. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. We got about five minutes left. I don't want to do a clickbait thing here with people who said we'd talk about that. Yeah. Yeah. So I mean, maybe you should just start,

David, and I'll sort of hop in. But I contacted David to everyone listening because um i have uh the interviews i did with you david when i know i did interviews with alex and owen and you yours was very very thoughtful you know the last time i did an interview with alex i um you know i was in the this was in the heat of 2020 2021 where i was leading exposing uh fauci leading exposing booby kennedy's complicity he was supporting lockdowns and it's fascinating kennedy and this clan the swarm literally goes finds another indian guy from east asia got called buttar buttar i called him and he called me up and he wanted and i wanted to have a have me to do a live with him. And I said, look, why are you supporting Kennedy when he supported Hillary Clinton, who was part of Monsanto?

And he goes, well, you know, Boobie is doing a lot of good things. I said, you know, you're a star. You know, and he goes, what did you call me? So anyway. That was a conversation with Buttar. Alex has me on a show and Alex and I are talking about exposing Kennedy, which is what he should be doing if he's really wanting to help people. Suddenly he says, Shiva, I'm now going to bring Rajiv Buttar on,

and I want you to have it out with him like you wanted to do a Jerry Springer with me. Oh, yeah. That's always good. So we go to the break, and I go, you know, Alex, I'm here to educate people about what's going on. I said, I'm not playing a game. And Alex said, you have to do my show. You know, we have I have the right to free speech.

I go, you can, but I'm not doing this. That was the last time I ever was on Alex's show because I realized that he wasn't about building a movement. That's right. He was about at best entertaining people, but not about getting to the root of the evil. And more recently, when my Swarm video got like 40 million views, David, it went everywhere. He took my Swarm video, put it on Infowars' website, and then on the bottom of the fold, he's promoting Kennedy. Okay?

So that's why when you realize Alex is part of the Swarm. Okay? Yeah. He's part of this. That's right. So I think to everyone listening, David was on Alex's show. And David, maybe you can share briefly with what happened, why you decided to break off. Because I think it's an important piece people should know.

Yeah. You go back and you look at the movement around Sandy Hook to try to push through massive gun control. And, you know, that's where the Sandy Hook lawsuit came from and that type of thing. But it was an all-out push. They kept going with more and more sensational stuff, and that's how they got entrapped with that. But he really was pushing at that point in time to try to stop gun control. But I noticed a big change in what happened with Infowars.

And that really kind of came about with Trump. With Trump, that was his ticket to fame and fortune and following. And he became a sycophant at that point in time. He had always been independent prior to that. And as I looked at Trump through the first three years or so, typical president says one thing, does another, doesn't follow through on what he has to say. People project what they want on these presidents. But that type of thing was usual. But 2020 was a whole nother level. It was the worst thing,

in my opinion, I've seen my entire life in terms of politics. The biggest attack on our country, on the Constitution, on our liberties I've ever seen. And from the very beginning of this, because I had followed the types of, you know, the weaponized gain of function and things like that, that I think is a very, very dangerous thing that should be stopped. And I talked about it going back to 2014. Allison Young at USA Today did a very long expose about that. It's a real problem. It was shut down at that point in time, but Fauci and Francis Collins continued to do their research domestically.

And they also set up the Wuhan Institute. And so when this stuff started buzzing around, but China, I said, you know, why this, this wet lab thing is absolute nonsense, but did they really have something escape out of Wuhan? And so we need to keep an eye on that, but it was clear from January on that they were hyping this into some kind of a global pandemic where they didn't even have a body count. And, uh, uh, don't cut us off. Just, we'll just extend this Travis.

Uh, well, they didn't have a body count, but they were coming up with the same procedure. Just to let, remind people it was January 6th. If you, that's when they said you know they showed pictures in china people suddenly falling down right yes very these dramatic pictures um this virus and this virus was now coming to the united states that's what you're talking about that's right yeah and that's yeah that was so incredibly fake and then the and then their their reaction to this was something that had been practiced in the united states by the intelligence agencies for 20 years, going back to dark winter, which was two months before 9-11. And then you had 9-11 the week after 9-11.

You had the anthrax attack. And two months later, Congress sent out a bunch of legislation to the states and said, give yourself the power in a public health emergency to take everything from everybody. Lock everybody down until we get an experimental vaccine, and they're going to be required to take it so we knew all of this stuff i knew it alex knew it um mike adams knew it all of us knew that when i saw that when i saw the falling down i saw the other stuff it's like okay so just to be clear david what you're saying is everyone knew that this whole wuon thing and was was, was basically a psyop that was going on. And internally, even Alex knew that. I absolutely a hundred percent. I believe that they, we had talked for years about the games of panic and how they would

skew the statistics and all the rest of this stuff, uh, from the CDC to get people to do the annual flu vaccine thing. And, uh, as a matter of fact, um, you know, uh mike adams had been involved in that as well and mike adams uh directly challenged me on that so david knight doesn't know anything about math and all the rest of stuff it's like i've got an engineering degree uh he says he's got a science degree but he doesn't say what it's in he doesn't say where he got it from i'll tell everybody where i got mine from uh university of south florida and um uh in electrical engineering look i it's not rocket science and it wasn't even necessarily about the numbers we're talking about how they manipulated the numbers

that they had done every year on an annual basis but it was clearly what their pattern of behavior and what they wanted from these simulations and they all knew about that and so when they started selling this stuff it's like you I, I pushed back on that. We had loggerheads and I started calling out Mike Adams by name. And yet Alex was giving him the show on a regular basis, you know, which is not a position that I had, but Alex would do three hours and he'd have a guest host. And so you just had Mike on all the time. And he did the same type of stuff with me that you told me he did with you in terms of dumping somebody on unexpectedly. And I was told by someone that I'd interviewed, uh, that I didn't watch Alex's programs cause I, you know, I had enough to do to create my own stuff for a

three hour show. And, uh, they said, yeah, Alex is telling people that this isn't the bad vaccine, that the bad vaccine, uh, from, uh, that Gates wants a the bad vaccine, that the bad vaccine that Gates wants, a really bad one, Trump is playing 4D chess and he's not doing that. I didn't believe that. But let me just state that. So Alex was saying he was basically supporting Trump's Fauci vaccine. He was saying this isn't as bad. This isn't as bad as what Gates and the other people are

because Trump is in there, he's pulling it back, you know. Playing fifth dimensional chess and he's really, this vaccine is not going to be as bad. So he's promoting that stuff again to kowtow to the Trumpers. And I didn't believe that until one day I was on, I didn't even respond to the guy. And then one day I'm on the show with him. He wants me to come in for a short segment or whatever. At the end of the segment, as the music is playing in the last 30 seconds and we're going out you know he comes back on and and he said that and i didn't have an it cut me off i didn't have a chance to respond what did alex say david what did he exactly say

well said you know this is not the bad stuff you know you gotta trump is there he's keeping this under control that type of thing i'm paraphrasing it i don't have the exact quote but he that's exactly what he did he sold that same line that I've been told that he was talking about. But then it got worse because when we got to the election, and of course, the new rules, the new scam, I should say, the new corruption of the 2020 election was based on what Trump did in terms of locking everybody down and doing it on a vote by mail. And so then when we get to the election, uh, two days after the election, uh,

Steve Pachinik, who was the guy who I always had a lot of problems with Steve Pachinik. Steve Pachinik was somebody who, um, he had a long history with a CIA. He was, uh, a consultant to Tom Clancy.

He's a great rack on tour and fiction writer, uh, but, and these types of things. And that's how Alex used him. And he was somebody who in reality had been involved with Operation Gladio, which is a major false flag operation in Italy, the Red Brigade and these other things.

It was a NATO operation. The Prime Minister Aldo Moro was kidnapped and he was executed by his kidnappers. But before that happened, uh, Steve Pachinik was sent by Henry Kissinger, uh, to go talk to the kidnappers and supposedly let him in to talk to the kidnapped prime minister. And, uh, what the Italian government said after they did an investigation afterwards, the Italian government said, this is a false flag operation. But Chen it came in and he talked to him and Aldo Moro knew that this was a false flag operation and he gave the order to kill him. And so this is the background of this guy that Alex has all the time.

And it was the second time I had interviewed him. He came on just before, just as I had my first show. And then I had, when I when I was had my own separate, uh, three hour show at info wars. And then two months after that started in 2017, uh, you had the shooting in Las Vegas. I've been interviewing people all week about the shooting in Las Vegas. And, uh, he comes on and he's supposed to come on for two segments. He missed the first segment. He comes on with a second segment and tried to sandbag me to say that nobody had died at Las Vegas. And I said, I don't believe that.

I said, I don't believe the official story, but I don't believe that nobody died. I know why you're doing that, you know? And so I never had him back on again. But two days after the election of 2020. So Steve Pchenik said no one died in the Las Vegas show. That's right. That's right. He's pushing the idea.

And the reason he did that, of course, is to try to destroy destroy my credibility try to get me in trouble because all the stuff about sandy hook had already hit you know that was already a lawsuit so he tries to to pull that uh game on me and so two days after the election he went on with on thursday after the election on tuesday he goes on with owen schroyer and he says, this is a sting. He said, Trump knew everything that was going on. He's working with CISA, right? That we were talking about earlier. He's working with CISA. They created a blockchain watermark ballot and they've got quantum computing. It's just throwing out all this unrelated buzzwords and terminology that didn't make any sense whatsoever. And he said, and not only that, but we know who these people were that cheated on the

election, and we got 20,000 National Guard troops that have fanned out all across the country, and the arrest have already started. He said that two days after the election. And Owen's response was, Steve, if you were here, I'd just kiss you right on the lips. I mean, no question about any of that stuff. It was absolutely absurd. And so I pushed back against that heavily on my show, on social media. I was told by Daria, you know, that Steve Pachinik called Alex and said he wanted me fired for that. And so I, but I kept on because Alex kept having him back on and that had a lot of impact. Rush

Limbaugh talked about that. And, um, you had And you had Clarence Thomas's wife send a text to Mark Meadows and said, I hope this is true. It went viral and it was giving everybody this hope. And that was the wellspring from which Stop the Steal came. And so Alex is on Stop the Steal with Ali Alexander, an ex-con man and ex-convict. And, you know, so they're running this thing. And, you know, I was opposing that. And I opposed it all the way up to the point where I was fired. Of course, that week I was fired on Monday.

That was when the electoral colleges had submitted. So, David, so because January 6th was on January 6th. Yeah. I was, uh, well, December 14th was the Monday that they turned in the, the votes from all the different,

uh, uh, electoral college things. And I said, look, you know, it's over with folks. Um,

you know, whatever legal challenges, or if they, they could have gone, there were five states that had Republican legislatures. It was razor thin. Uh, they could have made a case for that. that had Republican legislatures. It was razor thin. They could have made a case for that. They didn't.

So it isn't going to happen. I said, this is nothing at this point but an obvious grift. And so that Thursday, I was fired. And I began this program the following Monday. And I continued to warn people about that. I said, look, January the 6th is a trap. I said, it's going to be filled with agent provocateurs. There's nothing that can be accomplished. Do not go to it. Washington DC

is dangerous and so forth. And I said that every day in my program, going back to the morning of January the 6th, uh, my program ended before that started. And I told people, I said, get away from there. Don't, you know, and so, um, you you know i oppose that stuff from the very beginning but i knew exactly what that was all about but david what's interesting is the week prior to that january 6th i was invited to give a talk you know on what had occurred in our election which was a real stuff chain of custody signature verification mike lindell and all these bozos another disinformation yeah all sorts of there, hid the real issues. And this is what I think happens. There are real substantial issues.

Then these clowns come and do a double whammy. They make money off talking crap like Ali Alexander. And then they mislead people away from the problem. So I remember on January 6thth we had a bus you know that we were thinking of sending and at the last minute on january 3rd i remember fourth i saw this freaking screwball ali alexander and he had one of in 2018 one of our screwy volunteers to try to bring him in as this guy doesn't guy doesn't smell right. And when I found out he was leading Stop the Steal, and then I saw him at the White House, that's when I put it all together and I realized Trump was full of shit.

This was an operation. And I haven't shared this with too many people. And literally, we had a busload of people, and I called it off. And all Trumpers were really angry with me. Oh, Dr. Shiva, why aren't you? I said, something is going to happen there. I said, this fool, Ali Alexander is a scumbag and he's going to do some. And we had a number of young people who'd probably be in jail right now. And many of their parents called me and say, Dr. Shiva, thank you. Yes.

But I could see Trump was with Ali Alexander. Stop the steal was a money-making organization. Yes. And Trump took all of my material, the real stuff, and they juiced it up and they made about a half a billion dollars. Well, if you go back and you look and it was even, Roger had a film crew that was following him around. And so they've even got him filmed saying, this is great. We're going to make so much money out of this. It's going to be like falling off a log.

And that's what it was about. It was simply about making money and building audience. And what could be accomplished by giving money to Alex, you know, to hold these rallies and stuff, nothing. And nothing could have been accomplished on January the 6th. It was all done by mid December. And like you, I understand how elections are rigged. And as I said before, it begins with the ballot. It begins with debates, it begins with the ballot. It begins with debates and it begins with all the rest of this stuff, how closed the political process is. But then it also goes through all of the electronic stuff. And for years I had covered,

you know, how easy it is to hack into voting machines and various things like that. They've had voter village at DEF CON and black hat conference and so forth. They've demonstrated how vulnerable these machines are, but Trump added a whole new level of vulnerability with a vote by mail. I'm going to mail out the ballots to everybody and for him to complain about that and the other thing that I was angry about on the morning of January the sixth, I said, okay, so yesterday, January the fifth, we had the runoff in, in Georgia. Not a single thing was changed about how the election was done in Georgia.

And look what happened. They just turned the Senate over to the Democrats. And of course, even though we don't have a pandemic going, we still have our elections are going to be run under those pandemic rules that Trump put in. Now tell me that's not a double cross. That makes me furious when I look at that. I think, David, the key thing that you just brought up is they have two goals. Make as much money as possible and get as much visibility as possible.

And people really need to understand this. It doesn't matter. It's all theater to them. Yes. You get indicted, great. More money, more visibility. Yeah. Okay, Megyn Kelly interviews me, more more money more visibility yeah okay megan kelly interviews me more money

more visibility um uh whatever happens they get more money and more visibility and then there are other scoundrels like booby kennedy and vivek the snake all of these guys fall it's it's part of the swarm's ethos screw people over create fake dialectics, in fact, make these events take place. So I came to the conclusion that Trump made a load of money. When I met with him, after all of this, he did a big shout out. He goes, oh, I want to thank Dr. Shiva

who did all of this work. Yeah, I did all the work for him so he could have the credibility to make that money. And when I met with him for two hours when i left and he had just endorsed david in massachusetts this was um last november a guy who committed the election fraud against us and trump invited me to mar-a-lago i didn't go my assistant wrote him an email saying we respectfully refuse to come because you just endorse someone who did the election fraud against our campaign.

When I went down there, because I was down in Miami, people begged me, oh, Dr. Shiva, go, Dr. Shiva, go. You should give Trump a chance. Don't be so hypercritical. That two-hour meeting was clearly, you know, it was in a small room. He looked like an actor in the back room. Okay? Very frail. Didn't know what the f**k was going on.

Frankly, a moron. Okay. Praising me, apologizing why he endorsed this guy, taking notes of my sound bites that he could use in his next speech. That's what that meeting was. Wow. And I left realizing this guy is just a hollow shell. He's a puppet.

Yeah. And what he cares about. So he kept asking me, David, in that meeting at least 20 times, what do you want from me? Like, I'm some sycophant. I said, I don't want anything from you. Two weeks later, I said, you know what? That guy raised a lot of money off me. Why don't we set a real election systems

integrity institute up? Because Harvard, Stanford, they have all their intellectuals always saying nothing's happening. So I went back to him and I said, look, you made a half a billion dollars. Why don't you set aside some of this for this institute? Didn't want to give one penny, David. No, if you look at the people who've been co-indicted with him, it's a very foolish strategy because he's not giving them any money.

He made the first day, I think he made 4 million million. The next day he made $3 million. But it's like the first couple of days he made $7 million. But he's not paying for any of his co-defendants' legal fees. He is finally, after a couple of weeks, he's going to hold a fundraiser from them, but he's not going to give them any of his money. And that's a very dangerous thing. If these guys are going to swing, I think that's the whole reason that they indicted so many people. They want to get them to testify against him. So there's a real game of thrones. I mean, these people are out there. Even though he has been built up into this anti-globalist, which he is not, he gave the globalists everything that they wanted. He even gave people training for universal basic income. Look at how many people don't want to go back to physical work.

You know, they want to work from home or not work at all. And you have, as they make demands for them to go back to work, they just quit. And so he gave people a taste of this, knowing what was going to happen. Spent all of that money just from the financial side. But he did everything that the globalists wanted to do. He's doing the same stuff that, you know, people like, uh, Boris Johnson and, and, uh, Emmanuel Macron and Justin Trudeau and all the rest of them, they're all doing the same thing, but Trump, we're supposed to believe is the anti globalist.

He's just the, the, you know, the fake professional wrestling version of this. And so people need to understand that it's just a show and, you know, he's all these people are in it for themselves. I just, this is the thing though, Shiva, I hope that we don't have, as I've said, a civil war because I keep seeing people get more and more polarized

and partisan in this thing, not looking even after themselves. It's only simply about Trump. And you really see this about January the 6th. I don't care what happens. I'm going to go defend Trump. And I don't want to make him the Mason-Dixon line of a new civil war. And that's what they're trying to do.

And that's something we've got to be very concerned about. Yeah, and I think getting back to, you know, when I titled this conversation, why David Knight left Alex Jones, you know, a conversation, I think the key thing here is Alex Jones represented himself as some independent journalist. But at the end of the day, he fell in line with the globalist front man, which is what Trump was. Once you know who ali alexander is i mean you just gut instinct you look at that guy he looks like a snake okay um and i was very very fortunate i listened to my gut instinct david and i pulled the plug on that bus a lot of people would be in jail right now and i believe that entire january 6 was an operation by trump for the swarm to, as a honeypot,

to find all of these people, bring them in, and to jail them. That's my thesis, okay? And probably 15 years from now, someone will do an Academy Award-winning movie, which will show that, you know? Well, just look at what happened. Look at the results. Regardless of what his intentions were, look at how he responded to all this and how he let these people swing.

You know, he could have pardoned them before he left he didn't pardon him he didn't pardon julian assange uh you know he's he pardoned the criminal white collar criminal friends and family of uh his his son-in-law and other people of that ilk but he didn't do anything for the people who laid their lives on the line for him nothing at all and. And he doesn't care about, um, the rest of the world that he's unleashed this poison on. He continued to promote that until only about four or five months ago. Uh, that, you know, it was the greatest thing ever produced by mankind. It's a miracle.

It's a moonshot, all the rest of this stuff. No, it's killing people. And we all know that the amazing thing to me is the cognitive dissonance of the people who know that. And I've seen it over and over again by political commentators who hate the vaccine and they hated the fact that Trump would promote it, but they would say, Trump, you got to stop promoting this. It's like, why would you give him and just reject this guy?

You know, it's a lie. Do you think that he's that dishonest or is he that stupid? And why would you then keep giving him this advice? I mean, I saw that advice coming from Alex Jones, from Wayne Allen Root, over and over again, all of these different commentators. You've got to stop promoting the vaccine. People hate that. It's like, why do people hate that?

Let's talk about why they hate it. It's because it's killing people. Stop that. It's just amazing to me. What I'm saying, david is they're giving him advice not for the benefit of others but giving him to maintain their own credibility because they know they have an individual who's part of the swarm and they're making money off of it alex made a load of money promoting trump okay oh yeah all these people follow the money

and you know when i had to do the just like I had to expose Kennedy, you know, all these women were like, oh, you should work with Bobby. We want to donate you a lot of money. This guy's full of shit. I could have played that game, but I can't. Yeah. Right. Oh, you know, talk about the money.

You know, it came out with this lawsuit that he had, the Sandy Hook lawsuit, record amount of money that he made the spring of 2020 betraying this company this country just amazing to me I mean I knew he was making a lot of money because they um said well you know the storable food people can't keep up with it it's like well you know who knows what Trump is going to do to us next so we need to prepare you know have some storable food or whatever but he made a record amount of money and then of course he finished it up again at the end of the year with the election stuff just like trump did you know hundreds of millions of dollars trump made yeah so it's basically using these crises to perpetuate them without any solution and

manipulating people yeah with crises no solutions they do not want to build a movement to address the fundamental issues they want to perpetuate the crisis because they make money talking about the crisis that's why when i look at carlson when he was at fox news he's texting people david and we'll end on this right oh yeah it's like it's like another alex jones you're texting people internally like what you just shared telling people there is no election fraud then he sees a maggot movement wanting that news goes out shares it and the reason that fox what i don't care about fox but what what what carlson did was tee up fox to lose probably four billion dollars in trouble damages because they had enough data the fact it would have been defamation with malice right yeah because he internally knew that he didn't believe any of this stuff well then of course it was also the ray ups it was also the

ray ups stuff you know they fired him the day after 60 minutes did the ray ups thing because they're going to get serious about it but you can see with darren beattie at revolver with alex with tucker the rest of these people they they focused on ray ups why would they focus on ray ups did ray ups make hundreds of millions of dollars getting people to go to Washington on January the 6th? No. Did they go there because Ray Epps told them to go there? No. If Ray Epps is an agent provocateur, and again, the place was riddled with it, and you knew

that it was going to be riddled with it. If you look at anything that the FBI does with all that stuff, you knew that was going to happen if you had an ounce of sense, and of course these people all did know it. That's what makes it so bad. They knew that it was going to be filled with agent provocateurs, but they wanted to fill their pockets with money. They didn't really care what happened to these people, but, um, you know, just

in the same way that you're talking about, uh, Carlson, I've seen the same type of stuff, uh, behind the scenes. I know what these guys think. And I know what they say. I know what they think and say about Trump and I, and it's come out occasionally. You see the videos released, uh, of Alex going off on it, but I know what they say. I know what they think and say about Trump. And it's come out occasionally. You see the videos released of Alex going off on it. But I know what that stuff is about. It's fake.

And they don't say what they believe. They betray the country. And they do it so they can make a lot of money. It's just that simple. Look, whether it's Alex Jones, Carlson, Donald Trump, all of these people, they actually hate America. And that's how we have to, it's a very clear line. They do not love this country. They do not stand for these values.

They may say they do, but you look at their actions. Yeah, just like 2020. Yes, they do not. You know, Trump could have led all those people. He could have pardoned those people. Yes. Instead of pardoning kushner's father right right who hired a prostitute to blackmail his own wife yeah that's the kind of

people he pardoned right right he's the one who told people i will follow you it's in words i would follow you to the capital he had the other way right so all of this is theater yeah everyone needs to understand this is literally like wwe theater it is and once you get that and by the way david you know who who is donald trump's agent who the guy from wrestling i thought mcmahon or what or who is it yeah harry emmanuel oh emmanuel you know part of the problem emmanuel who owns wow worse agency and endeavor who owns ufc who just bought wwe wow he's the one who is trump's agent okay so all of this is theater it is once people get that they're going to get very very angry once they really understand how they're being played trump it wanted to be an actor he's an actor okay a is an entertainer Carlson is a CIA front man all right these people don't give

a damn about you and the only way forward Alex you know closing I just want to say look the reason I decided to run was we need to build a movement and and I decided to run because we can use the chaos that they're doing to direct people back to you and everything I say to run because we can use the chaos that they're doing to direct people back to you and everything I say to you this is about empowering you you have to understand truth freedom and health are interrelated we have to build a bottoms up movement and I'm one of us why isn't one of us always there that's right and and they do not want to give visibility to us so the only way out uh I keep telling people alex is i mean um uh david is i tell people to go get this bumper sticker because when they do this and they peel it and

they put it on their windshield some people just take it and they leave it on their dining room table but when they do that it's a physical act that they're doing of activism we have open sourced all of our flyers the flyers start with the fact that the U.S. life expectancy is going like this. So your children are going to die younger than you. And it's not the vaccines. It's a systems problem that goes back 60 years. From an engineering standpoint, David, it's a set of things. And then we teach people who is a swarm and that they have to get educated and they have to go on the ground they have to become warriors and scholars so that's what we're doing david and that's why our campaign is very fascinating because i'm seeing this evolution of people we're getting over the trump getting over the alex joneses getting over the carlson's and everyone we get over david is like a razor blade

to the swarm you know once you've found out that you've been deceived, once you come to that real estate, it's good, it's difficult to get people to admit that they've been fooled, but once you realize they pulled that wool over your eyes, they're not going to do it to you again. And, and you become really angry about that. And I know that from a personal experience, it's been great talking to you, Dr. Shiva and give us your website where people can find you. Yeah, so people should go to shiva, S-H-I-V-A, numeral four, president.com.

And you can get these bumper stickers, right? That's the main thing I'm getting. We want to get millions of these out there. And if you go to the download section, David, people can get this flyer. You know, I go out to the train station. I give them out at least once a week. We have everyone out there. We want to to the download section david people can get this flyer you know i go out to the train station i give them out at least once a week we have everyone out there we want to get millions of these out the other thing is people can go to truth freedom health dot com and that's where they get the training david the scientific training they get basically engineering systems training david that they don't have to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars for but and

we have a community and our model is you take the course, you can give it away to as many children. You get to be a philanthropist. So it's really a learn, teach and serve model. And the last thing is I tell people to go to va shiva.com slash orientation. We do an open house every Thursdays at 11 AM and 8 PM, for example, and it's their educational open houses. Yesterday, we talked about noise pollution, how noise affects the physiology, and we went through that. And in the morning, we talked about the real cause of gun violence, the real cause beyond left and right. So they're very, and we take systems approaches to this,

so people break out of the dialectics, they actually see things, what they are, and what the solution is, David. Well, that's a key thing. We've got to break out of that, uh, you know, Hegelian dialectic, the dichotomy, the false dichotomy that they give us. We've got to break out of this party system and we need to focus on ourselves, on our community and not so much on, uh, Washington. We need to keep an eye on Washington.

We need to understand what these guys are up to, but they don't have the solution. They are the problem always have been. Thank you so much for joining us. It's been great. Thanks for sharing everything. Thank you. Be well. Thank you. And so that's our program for today. We're about a half hour over, but thank you so much for joining us. Have a good weekend. And, you know, it's, I apologize for the language. I know some people had some issues about that, but it is what it is.

I did not realize that. I would have said something to him about that before we started. But thank you so much for joining in, and have a good weekend. We'll see you on Monday, hopefully. monday hopefully let me tell you the david knight show you can listen to with your ears you can even watch it by using your eyes in fact if you can me, that means you're listening to The David Knight Show right now. Yeah, good job. And you want to know something else? You can find all the links to everywhere to watch or listen to the show at the David

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