The David Knight Show - Interview: Dr. Shiva: The Two-Party System’s Greatest Threat Is You

Episode Date: August 11, 2026

Dr. Shiva Ayyadurai argues that America’s two-party system doesn’t merely shut out independents—it manufactures “controlled opposition” to keep voters trapped inside the same political machine. Drawing on his battles over election transparency, government censorship, COVID policy, and his independent Senate campaigns, Shiva makes the case that real political change has always come from bottom-up movements the establishment cannot control. Money should have intrinsic value AND transactional privacy: Go to https://davidknight.gold/ for great deals on physical gold/silver For 10% off Gerald Celente's prescient Trends Journal, go to https://trendsjournal.com/ and enter the code “KNIGHT” For high quality made in America products go to HomeSteadProducts.shop and use promo code “Knight” for 10% off your purchases Find out more about the show and where you can watch it at TheDavidKnightShow.com If you would like to support the show and our family please consider subscribing monthly here: SubscribeStar https://www.subscribestar.com/the-david-knight-show Or you can send a donation throughMail: David Knight POB 994 Kodak, TN 37764Zelle: @[e-mail] App at: $davidknightshowBTC to: bc1qkuec29hkuye4xse9unh7nptvu3y9qmv24vanh7Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-david-knight-show--2653468/support.

So I want to go without any further ado to Dr. Shiva Ayadourey. Thank you for joining us, sir. Good morning, David. How are you? I'm good. Thank you. And I wanted to talk to you. I don't know if you heard me.

I was just talking about Tucker's manifesto and what is there and what is not there. And it's very much a limited hangout. It's very much just kind of a mom and apple pie type of thing with no concrete examples of anything that are there. What's your take on? the third party aspect. You're running for Congress again. You've had a lot of, or Senate, I should say, you've had a lot of experience in terms of running as an independent candidate. And you know how the major parties push back against anything that's not under their control. Tell us a little bit

about that. Yeah, so a couple of things, David, I want to remark, makes my sort of commentaries on Tucker Carlson. I call him something else. I'm being fine. He is a limited hangout. He comes from a CIA family. And I think when I speak about what he's doing, it is an opportunity for people that really learned this repeated lesson that the swarm is very, very creative and how it continues to distract people from building a true independent bottom set movement. So I'll talk about that. But before that, what I want to let people know is that I'm a big proponent that when you look at history and you look at the evidence, it has always been independent, bottoms up movements from everyday people that has changed anything for humanity, period.

Yep. Anything that has oppressed people and slave people or has always come from top down. And it has always been a manipulation sometimes presented as I was going to save people. So that's from the time of Christ or even before to today. Yeah. Christ was the obvious establishment. fighting the Romans, but the not so obvious was the saddisees and the Pharisees, who acted like they were preaching the words of God. And we don't, and Tucker Carlson falls into that same

realm as the saddice's and the Pharisees. The establishment knows how to create fake versions of real fighters and manipulate people. And I can't see anyone taking Tucker Carlson seriously, it all just a face that he makes absolute insincerity. But we'll come back to that. But I've I spent my whole life, David, as you know, being a proponent of this, having grown up in a caste system in India before I came to the United States, and then having studied what America is truly about, it's always been bottoms up movements that have changed everything. So when I ran against Elizabeth Warren in 2017 and 18, we ran as independence. And I just want to let people know that the establishment does this repeated mantra that you're wasting your votes when you vote for independence and independence. and independents can't do anything. The reality is what I share with you will show that as an independent candidate, as an independent force,

our movement has always led the way it has many, many victories. And I want to walk people through that. So we break through this brainwashing. So for example, if you look at in 2017-18, we ran as independence. And we ran on a campaign of only the real Indian can defeat the fake Indian. Now that slogan itself was a very powerful slogan. People loved it. Yeah, it was a great slogan.

I mean, I still, everyone, I have two guys doing some masonry work in the house, two hardworking guys. And they said, oh, we voted for you, Dr. Schia. We love that slogan. We still have the signs we say. We had a picture of me and Elizabeth worn on a headdress and it said, only the real Indian can defeat the bacon. But anyway, we keep part of that independent movement that we did. and the Republicans didn't like it. The GOP here didn't like us saying that.

And obviously the Democrats did. But what it did was from the time we started doing it in the, and the thousands of flyers and huge posters we put up, if you look at the time that it started, we really started this whole thing about Elizabeth Warren, fake Indian ancestry, a much more deeper way to reflect that she's actually the racist. I mean defining racism as someone who,

uses race for their political advancement. Yes. For their capital advancement. That's racism. Someone calling people names, that's just ignorance. But Elizabeth Warren practices racism because she used race to, you know, garner her wealth. And that's racism using race.

And so that and me saying that as an Indian, but not an Indian, depending on how you look at it, was quite hilarious for people. And I think it really took off. but we forced that fake Indian to take the DNA test. We had these huge signs, eight foot by 10 foot signs everywhere. People would put them on their lawns. And she couldn't get away her own party forced her to take that test. And they had to throw in Peruvian genes to even get her up one out of 102.

But the point was we destroyed her aura, right? So that was, so we started that. in 2017 and it just took off. That was an independent movement. After we did that, then Donald Trump came and he started, you know, I offered her my $10 million building in Cambridge if she could prove she was, you know, an Indian. And then Donald Trump Jr. did it. And Trump tried to take credit for that, but it was our movement of everyday people put up

these huge signs, you know, massive signs everywhere. People would take their lawns on highways. That's what expose Elizabeth Warren. That is a power of an independent movement. That's one entertaining example, but nonetheless, it shows what happens when things come bottoms up. And by the way, who's the guy, Matt Schlapp? Complete. You know, I don't have enough four-letter words to describe him.

When we went to CPAC, very interesting story, in the middle of this campaign, we paid $2,500 for our booth. We went there. We got confirmation, but when we showed up, they wouldn't let us. in. They didn't like our fake Indian real Indian. Anyway, one of our guys said screw this and he sneaked into the hall and we just set up our booth. The idiots didn't even know we were there. So we were there for two days and everyone, everyone loved our booth. And then we started handing out our flyers and then match lap had the police throw us out. Okay? But that's match lap. So the GOP did not like the slogan. Just to let everyone know, but it was the independent movement and us

getting on the ground that forced Elizabeth Warren to take the DNA test, completely destroyed her character and exposed to her as a racist that she is. So that's one example of the power of an independent movement. Now, in 2020, we ran again for Senate against a guy called Markey. We still had our movement, but we said, okay, a bunch of the Trumpers were like, oh, Dr. Sheba, we love you. Why don't you run as a Republican? We still had our independent movement. We ran under the Republican banner. We raised $2 million, all small dollar donations. We had huge, you know, signs 2020. We were running against a guy called Ed Markey.

And the GOP, top down, they find a guy called O'Connor, nice Irish name in Boston. Give him $250,000. A guy couldn't even raise $1. We raised $3 million bottoms up. And on election night, even the GOP chairman said, you guys won the election. And that's where in Massachusetts has nine counties And one of the nine counties, Franklin County, we won by 10 points where all the ballots are hand counted, paper ballots.

And in all the other eight counties, we lose 6040, 6040, 6040, 6040, 6040. To a candidate in the primary, no one even knew. But again, if you came to Massachusetts, you would see huge billboard signs, 25,000 lawn signs, 10,000 bumper stickers, 3,000 volunteers. This guy didn't even have one lawn sign up. And let me jump in.

here and say, I've seen this over and over again. You know, we see candidates who, uh, they show up. There's like two people that are there at the meeting. And, uh, and yet you got somebody else that's get big crowds. And I've seen this over and over again. And who wins the election? It's the guy who's got two people who show up to see them. Right.

So there's something definitely wrong with elections that turn out like that, I think. Yeah. So, um, I'm just changing this for you. So, um, so, so what happened out of that election, Again, we moved our campaign to a write-in campaign, David. Okay, again, we key thing to rep, even though we ran as an R, we were an independent movement. So we were quickly able to move the campaign to a right-in campaign. So we're still a bona fide candidate. We collected all the signatures to get on the ballot.

And it was in that period of September. Our movement said this completely doesn't make sense. We went to the Secretary of State. and demanded to see verification that we had quote unquote lost the election. And the verification of that is we demanded something called the ballot image. Now, when you go to vote, if you're not doing a paper ballot and you vote on paper or an electronic voting machine, your ballot goes through a machine. A photograph is taken of your paper ballot.

That photograph is then tabulated. Okay? So what is the ballot? Is it the paper? No, it's the image. And that image is called a ballot image. So I just want to emphasize that to every American listening, 99% of Americans don't know this. Your paper ballot is photographed and the photograph is tabulated. Now, we know that the photograph could have all sorts of erroneous marks. Digital images can be manipulated much faster than this. But it is the photograph which is used to tabulate your boat. That photograph, is officially called a ballot image, ballot image, the image of the ballot. So we went to the Secretary of State in September after we quote unquote lost this election. We demanded the ballot images.

Our movement did. We have it on photograph. The Secretary of State of Massachusetts said, ha, ha, ha, we deleted those images. We don't have to preserve them. We turned the switch off. Now, when the paper ballot goes through the machine, a picture is taken in local

memory. It has to be. Just like if you opened your computer and you created a Microsoft Word document, right? The Word document is created. You may decide not to save it, but it is created in memory. Otherwise, you wouldn't be able to work on it. When this case, on the machine is a setting, save image, delete image. They set it to delete. By a federal law passed during the civil rights era, 50 years ago, by Democrat majority, all records. in connection with a federal election, U.S. Senate as a federal election, must be preserved for 22 months. And in fact, it was Biden's DOJ, which clarified it beyond a shadow of a doubt that ballot images also need to be preserved. So it's absolutely clear. It's a federal law.

Massachusetts is deleting them. So when we found that out, our movement, I is a leader of the movement with my nearly six, I think three million followers, on all my social media put out Massachusetts deleted ballots dash the ballot images. Deleted 1.7 million ballot images, right? I said ballot images, the ballots which are used in electronic machines. That starts going viral. I get thrown off Twitter. Wow.

Okay? That was in September 24th, 2020. And then one of these fact-checking organizations wrote a hit. piece on me saying, oh, Dr. Shiva's lying. Ballots were not deleted. I never said ballots. I said the ballot images. But in that news article, they stated that

they had contacted the Secretary of State of Massachusetts and he admitted he had contacted Twitter to silence me. Now, this is a grossest violation of the First Amendment. No lawyer in Massachusetts wanted to take it on. I had to write the briefs. We raised, our movement, raised more money

to support all of our legal filings. And in federal court, we filed. I represented myself against three Harvard trained lawyers from the Attorney General's office of Massachusetts. And we win that lawsuit, the preliminary injunction. And it was in federal court. We cross-examine the social media director of the Secretary of State, young girl, and she admits, young woman, and she admits the judge and I asked her, how did you decide to throw me off? Oh, we were very concerned. He was saying this ballots were deleted. And then the judge said, what did you do? Oh, we have a special VIP portal and saw a transcript where we went to Twitter and told them to silence Dr. Shiva. And then they did.

And the judge said, how did you feel? Oh, we felt relieved. And the judge says, you know, I'm sitting under a photograph of William Brandeis. Do you guys know what the First Amendment is? Why did you simply respond to his bad speech with your good speech? Anyway, he gave us a preliminary injunction, which is very hard to get. told Galvin, you cannot go on Twitter and silence Dr. Sheva. But this was after the election ended, you say? Then I got pit back on Twitter and thrown off again when I shared the same fact. Then the judge called Twitter into the courtroom.

Now was me against seven lawyers. This is the May of 2021. We have a massive movement. And we're the ones who found that all governments have this unholy alliance with social media companies. We wrote to Effer Carlson, if that's okay, okay? And Glenn Greenwald said, hey, look, we have, this is one of the most historic cases. We've shown that government and social media companies are doing stuff. And you can go to winbackfreedom.com, and you'll see everything documented, including my emails to Tucker Carlson.

He did nothing, David. He silenced it. Yeah, yeah. And Glenn Greenwald silenced it. Like he silenced the architects who wanted to question Building 7 collapsing in his footprints. Exactly. So when the proverbial shoot is hitting the fan, right? These grifters who are part of the establishment, they work for the CIA, their agents of the swarm, hit everything. Then they wait two, three years. Promote it to get credit for something. It's after someone's been raped and killed. You talk about it and you try to win a polar surprise. But when the person's getting raped and killed, you intentionally do not do anything because, you're For two reasons, you don't want Dr. Shiva Adre to get the limelight as a hero who exposed this, because that means we build our own brand equity independent of you.

And second, you are actually against this news because you don't want to expose to the public, the unholy alliance between government and private companies. But we won the TRO, and that after we started exposing this, David, the judge tried to bribe me through a lawyer he appoints for me. He says, oh, you're doing so well. I want you to do better. and the lawyer said drop all the cases against the government and just go back on Twitter, it would be a great hero. I refuse.

And then we were lambasted. And it's all documented. But the important point is that was in 2020. It was an independent movement which showed the unholy alliance. And then there was Boobie Kennedy who tried to take credit for that and others, right? But we were the ones who brought this up. We were the ones who exposed it to, you know, the world. An independent movement did that.

independent of the establishment. That's a number two victory. Let me give you another example. It was in 2020, as an MIT PhD, as a world-renowned scientists on the immune system. I got invited in 2019 to deliver the prestige lecture where they only invite one scientist at the National Science Foundation on the immune system.

I was giving talks like, you know, the vaccine model of 1915 doesn't make sense. You know, when you just apply a single Vax model to upregulate, you know, antibodies. the immune system is much more profound. And everyone agreed with this. But as a scientist, I was the one in 2020 who led the fire Fauci campaign. Hashtag fire Fauci. We wrote to Rand Paul. He didn't do anything. He waited one year to use our tag to raise money. Now, and again, in fairness, Rand did do something. He had his wife by stock in Gilead Pharmaceutical.

Yes. Yeah. Sorry. He did do something for himself. But the point is, it was an independent movement. we collected 108,000 signatures. I drove our bus day and night in the middle of COVID down to the White House, delivered these signatures to the White House and the Republican National Committee, and wrote a letter to Trump. It's out there. Marla Maple has hand delivered it to Trump. It says, do not shut down the economy.

As an MIT PhD in Biological Engineer, as a foremost scientist on the immune system, here is a protocol that you can use to help save people, which was zinc, you know, vitamin D. I mean, the whole thing was written out. That protocol went viral. Zelenko stole my protocol and started making money off of it. But we saved a couple hundred million people's lives at minimum. But it was our movement which did that.

Again, Boobie Kennedy was promoting lockdowns. You can find us tweet. March of 2020 says lockdowns will save the climate. It's good, right? Except me, except our movement. We did the fire Fauci campaign. got 108,000 petitional signatures, delivered them to Trump, they did nothing. That's an independent movement.

So our movement saved lives. And in that same year in 2020 is when, after I saw my election stolen, is we're the ones who figured out on the machines, not Mike Lindell, who's a complete grifter Maximus, and Mike tried to enroll me into his thing until I figured out what he was about. He was about selling, using this to sell pillows. But the real issue is that on the machines, there is a feature. called a weighted race feature where you can flip votes.

So if two candidates are running, you can multiply the votes of one candidate by two. So if you got a thousand votes, he gets 2,000 votes. The other candidate got a thousand and you can multiply it by 0.5. It is a feature in the manuals that was designed for housing associations.

They quote unquote left this feature in on election machine. So it was I who discovered that, shared it. And I must have done day and night without being paid a penny. 30 different analyses. We ran 3,000 audits,

educated people on where we showed the number of voters that came in didn't match a number of votes. That was done by our movement. And then Mike Lindell and these guys came in. And then Trump came in, stopped the steal. And they tried to hijack our core findings and made money off of it. Trump made a half a billion off of my work. And you can read his emails. He's putting in my work.

Okay. But an independent movement found the heart of the election integrity issue, which is this weighted race feature and the deletion of ballot images. You know, going back to 2014, when we talked on the phone, I told you, I said, we had a candidate who ran in a local election, and again, that's not under the federal rules, but this was the guy who was running the Board of Elections in Texas brought in by the Republicans was somebody who had worked at the Rose Law firm with Hillary Clinton. They brought this guy in to run the elections, and every single election, and this would

include the federal elections as well, although that wasn't part of her case, but every one of the he would tell all the counties delete your ballot images. And she said, this is blatantly corruption. You're supposed to keep that stuff under the Texas Constitution. You're supposed to keep it. And yet he would tell people to do exactly the opposite. So we know what's happening. They're hiding this stuff.

They're adding weighted measures to these different issues when they got it an electronic voting machine. And again, you found that stuff as well independently. Yeah. And we did the analysis in Michigan. then Rudy Giuliani and the Arizona Senate called us in. I did all the ballot image analysis, not the garbage. So what happens when you actually find real stuff, David, a heart of something, the CIA and the deep state or swarm establishment will have other people suddenly start talking about

this real issue, but pollute it with crap. Yeah, that's right. Mike Rendell was talking about IP addresses changing, this idiot Jovon Pulitzer, whose name isn't even that. It's a lot. It's Jeffrey Fulia, that's his name. He was brought in, that's his name. And P-H-I-L-Y-A, look it up, okay? He started talking about bamboo, right? So the bottom line is, and this is a classic CIA technique. Yeah, it is, it is.

Contaminated, make it ridiculous and make it unbelievable. Take it to make it unbelievable, yeah. Make it unbelievable. But the heart of the issue is a true election integrity issue is that ballot images, which are the ballots are being deleted, to cover up the fraud. Now, coming to, so again, independent movements are the ones who expose Elizabeth Thorne and destroyed her, you know, exposed her racism. It was the independent movement which started the fire Fauci campaign.

It was the independent movement which exposed unholy alliance between media and social media companies. It is the independent movement of truth, freedom health and our Senate race, which exposed the real issues with election integrity, which is ballot images are being deleted. Okay, to cover up election fraud and both parties are doing it. These were all done by an independent movement, which is massive victories for the American people. Now you go to, then we ran, our movement ran again in 2020 for David for president. And there we wanted to show this fundamental issue that all citizens are created equal, meaning to run for the office of president different than becoming president. Okay.

So then what rights lets anyone run. So we ran. And even though I was born in India, by the way, natural born is never defined. The Marquis de Lafayette was made a natural born citizen, okay? But the 14th Amendment says equal protection clause, all citizens naturalized and natural born are equal. Okay, so we challenged that. We got on right in in pretty much many states, but we officially got on 14 states. Seven threw us off.

Seven kept us. And in fact, Mississippi kept us, you know, what you would call red states, you know. It went all the way up, by the way, to the Supreme Court. In fact, one is still there. But the point is our movement did this, right? Which means our movement pushes the envelope. It wasn't done, all done by us, no top-down lawyers. So in this election, what we did, David, was, again, we have our movement, independent movement.

And we predicted when we started this that people will start seeing fake independent movements coming up, a la effort Carlson, Tucker Carlson. Because the establishment has all this data from Palantir. And the goal of the establishment is one goal to make sure you, yes, you listening right here, that you don't get off your own butt and you don't understand, you don't be a good citizen, you don't understand how the dynamics of oppression work, and you don't take your own independent action to collectively work with other people. independently. They want you to look to a Democrat or Republican look above, to look to a savior.

And they won't do anything to distract you from your independence. So we predicted this. And we predicted that they do this in a recurring process. So typically they have the two parties, Republican Democrat, the official symbols of them. So Hillary Clinton or Mitch McConnell, right, the most flagrant versions of the Democrat or Republican. But they know that people after a while say, well, I don't really like Hillary. She's pretty corrupt. I don't really like Mitch McConnell.

He's pretty corrupt, right? Or whoever it is on or the bushes. So what they do is the shoulders of this bird also create the wings. And the wings are there to flap, even sometimes against the establishment, to make the masses think they're fighting for them. So on the left, they will create a Bernie Sanders, or they will create an AOC, or they'll create a in the 80s, Jesse Jackson, who bark even at the establishment Democrats to keep the masses entertained. And that's the not so obvious establishment. And similarly, on the right, they will start the Tea Party or they'll have Rand Paul hang out all day or Thomas Massey even, a little more clever monkey, okay?

Or Trump. And the goal of these people is to make sure people don't truly lead and build a bottoms up movement that demands their rights, you know? That's right. So that's what they've been doing. Now what has occurred in the last two years is people have realized particularly with the issue of Zionism that both parties are part of this. And so they have realized people keeling away and drove from both parties in Massachusetts, which is really the tip of the spear of global corruption or national corruption. 67% of the voters in Massachusetts have left the party in their independence. But yet the media brands it as a blue state.

It's only 26% Democrats, 7% Republicans, 67% independence. Nationally, 48% of Americans are independent voters. 26% Democrats, 26% Republicans. It's about the same, right? But yet we're told red versus blue. red versus blue. It's not true. So this truth is hidden from people.

But the trend is people are moving away. So people like CIA agent, Tucker Carlson, right, or Andrew Yang, the forward party, right? They are given funds supported, given lots of media exposure. You mentioned Andrew Yang. I remember when he was running, when he first started running, his issue was UBI, universal basic income. And one of our you know, you know,

one of our leaders are a million dollars. I tried to get him on the show to talk about universal basic income and he agreed to come on and then canceled at the last minute because you realized that I didn't like universal basic income.

And Elon Musk likes it. It's an enslavement model. Yeah. But what's interesting, one of our leaders in our movement worked for Andrew Yang and he said, they're going to steal my election. They're going to steal my election.

Had everyone on the floor of the convention tag and they, there was a lot of election issues. And then he just came back. in. Okay. So the establishment knows now that people are actually breaking, the wings are actually breaking from the parties. So what they are doing now, and the establishment is united. The Republican Democrats are one. The wings are not working anymore. So what they're doing is they're creating a fake independent movement, a la. F. I agree. Tucker Carlson, Tucker Carlson. That's what they're doing. And understand that Tucker Carlson, if you look at his entire life and you have to look at

people's entire lives. And you have to, whether it personally, if you're going to be in a relationship, someone, look at their entire life. Not what they just did, you know, the last two days, give you a gift or be nice to you. Look at their whole life. Tucker Carlson is a master grifter. He comes from a CIA family. He wanted to be in the CIA.

Then he joined CIA, CNN. All these media organizations are CIA. Come on, New York Times, all of them. And you're very naive, you don't think they are. And he grifted there as a Democrat. Right. Then he saw the trend. You know, he's like Wayne Gretzky. You could see where the puck is going, where the money is. He said, oh, it's going to the right. Then he goes to Fox. Okay. Yeah. And then then he gets funded by an Iranian guy to create his own network, the same Iranian guy who funds J.D. Vance. All right. So what you see is a guy who is one step ahead, knowing where the masses are going. And that's where, and he has said it by his own accord, I want to be famous because he knows that. fame has a cachet value of power. And that's what he's about. This guy is an absolute agent of the swarm. That's who he serves. And the Republicans and Democrats do openly need him to be the safety

valve as people want to actually break to a true movement like ours, truth for the mouth. And this is why Tucker Carlson will never put me on a show. He's put everyone else on his show who's had me on their shows. Lower even on. But he won't put me on because I exposed him for what he is in 2020. And even Glenn Greenwald won't do it. Talks a big game. Right? So we have the opportunity now, David, to truly build a real independent movement.

And we have to expose. And you're one of the few people I find who gets this. Well, talker won't put me on the show either. Right, right. But I'm saying you went through the Alex Jones nonsense. Oh, yeah. Alex Jones is an opportunist. That's right.

Okay. He knows things are wrong. but he wants the money. And that's really, really bad because when you do that, you confuse people. You're not principled. And to say, well, he had to do that. Well, no, he didn't have to do that. You did that because of the money and because you're unprincipled.

And when you do that, you confuse people. You delay people's actual learning opportunity. It's like being a bad teacher, right? Yeah, it was a, I remember Lionel introduced Alex Jones once at an event. And he introduced him as a guy who makes a truth, unbelievable. And it was what we were talking about before. It's a standard CIA technique.

You know, he goes out and talks about, turn the frogs a gay. He doesn't talk about these specifics about what these chemicals are and how they disrupt your hormones. He'll just give you the tagline. It turns the frogs gay. And he makes a lot of, gets a lot of traction off of that.

But it makes it sound like it's nonsense. And it's not nonsense. Right. So when someone like me says it, you have to fight against the nonsense he's put forward. That's right. But we have a huge operation. now, David, because of the hard work, our independent movement is done consistently, because

our views, you just keep going, move forward over and over again. It doesn't matter what looks like their victories. Our victories are we get the news out. We get the news out. We expand. Now we have about half a million people in our organization. We have an organization structure. We have our own infrastructure.

We train people. Truth Freedom Health is really a movement, which is about raising citizenship consciousness. It's about making sure every family people recognize that you have to take a certain piece of your day, just like you would do to pray or you would do to work out or take care of your oral hygiene, whatever that is, right? You should take a certain piece of your day to be a good citizen. And we have a manual for doing that. Workbooks, right?

Curricula, community. And we give people action. So my running for Senate in 2026 is great because we have nearly 70, 80 percent name brand equity now in Massachusetts. You're going to be on the PBS debates as well. Tell people about that. We were just invited to be on a national PBS debate, which will probably come in early October. And the interesting thing is, when we ran against Warren, one of the debate organizations put us out was a violation of the law. And by the time we filed everything, the case becomes moot. But this time, PBS has invited us. But they threw in two criteria in order to be on the debate stage. One of the criteria is that we should have gotten our 10,000 signatures, certified signatures from citizens who want our nomination papers. Well, we were the first ones to do that. The Democrats and Republicans have yet to do that. So check, we did that. Then they added in, we have to have about a quarter of a million dollars, $250,000 in individual donations. Now, this time, David, I decided I didn't

need money because last time we raised $2 million. And we know we did all the lawn signs and we and we know they stole our election. So this time, this time we decided to go much more underground, just people power. So we have hundreds of volunteers who are handing out flyers making phone calls. We don't need the money, right? Because it's labor versus capital, right? We have people. Right.

So they put in the same, now you've got to go raise $250K, and they only gave us like 10 days, 20 days. You know, they sent us a letter late. Maybe that's why the Republicans gave that, gave your opponent $250,000. Maybe that's the magic number that got even the debate. I think that's what it is. I think that's what it is. So we are about halfway there. So we have started doing a telethon and videos, you know, quote unquote begging for money, right? And we're doing that to tell people, look, if you get me on the debate stage, it's very rare. They'll give a true independent of fighter like me access to national TV. Extremely rare, extremely rare. Very rare. Yeah, I think,

I think, David, you know how rare that. So they've given us that a very short time window, By September 1st, they're going to count all of our donations. By August 12th, there's one deadline pre-primary, and then 12th through, you know, 19 days thereafter. So I think we're about 60K, 70K. We went from like 20K to 60K, 70K, literally in like five days. So we're curving like that. So anyone listening, you can go to Shiva for Senate.com slash donate and donate as much as you can. but the goal is we'll finally have someone like me on a debate stage.

I'm sure they're going to play all sorts of games, right? Try to silent. I mean, we'll see. They may even cancel the debate if I show up. That's my theory right now because I don't think they want that because it's a live debate, right? You can't control me. You can't control speech. So it's going to be.

Anyway, so that's one thing. But nonetheless, if you want to really see real entertainment, Mm-hmm. Shiva for numeralfor Senate.com slash donate. If you can share that links, David, with your viewers. But we need people to donate ASAP. But our campaign has this fundamental slogan, which I don't have a flyer here, David, but at some point, I don't know if you're recording this or if this gets live, if it's live.

We're live now and it is also recorded as well. Yeah. I don't know if we can, I don't know if I can bring up anything. but if we go to Shiva for Senate.com and you scroll down and you'll see a flyer. I don't know if you bring it up. Travis can bring it up. But if you see that flyer, it's a great flyer. You know, I have a degree in design, but I've done lots of flyers since I was 14, 48 years.

And when this came off the printing press, I said, Jesus, it's like lightning in a bottle. And I'll tell you why. We'll put it up in and post. People can see it when we upload it. Yeah. I can bring it up if you on. But the flyer, you way to bring it up or no. No, sorry.

We'll just add it after. But the flyer basically says it's black and white's old school 1920 style. Mm-hmm. One page. And it said 65% of Massachusetts is independent. It's actually 67. Mm-hmm. Okay.

Big fart. And then below that, it says, yeah, we keep voting for Democrat and Republican. Yeah. And then below that, it says, look what they have done to us. and it's got five examples, right? Cost of living, bridges and infrastructure, elections which aren't transparent. You know, you're getting sicker, right?

And so on, right? So it lays these five things out. And housing is unaffordable, right? Because Black Rock and these guys come to buy these homes. And then it says, you are independent. Now be independent. And then to the right of it, there's a picture of me and my credentials. It never says vote, Dr. She says,

And we did this deliberately because we want this to be a reflection to the independent voter. Like, what am I doing? 90% of people don't even know 65% is independent. They think it's a blue state. So first of all, and we go to grocery stores as people come out and we hand it. And only the independent voters take it because we say independent for U.S. Senate. The Democrats typically say, oh, yeah, he ran against Elizabeth Warren. and he's a racist.

That's what they say. And we say, great, you saved us three cents. 3.7 cents. We don't have to hand you this. And the Democrats will, a Republican say, is he a Trumper, right? And we'll say he was, right? So it's great because this is landing

in the hands of the independent voter. The other thing is we did our own random calling. We called 5,000 independent voters. And we asked them, would you pledge for Dr. Shiva? Now, out of the 5,000 we call, and we have all the data, publish us even, about 1,800 people actually picked up the phone. We had a conversation. Many of it went to voicemail or bad numbers. Out of those 1800s, 1600 said they vote for me.

That's nearly 70%. Wow. It's massive. So the independent voters typically flip, a majority of them vote right and the other vote left. And so the independent voters don't have never had a candidate. But moreover, they're hit with this relentless brainwerex. And the brainwashing is you must vote Democrat or Republican. It's always some Armageddon is going to take place. If you don't, like it's always some doomsday event if you don't vote. That's one brainwashing. The second thing that they do is, well, this guy may be a pedophile and this guy may be an axe murderer. Let's go with the axe murderer, right?

The lesser two evils. So what they're doing mentally brainwashing people is to lower their standards to like garbage. And this is what they've done. And then the third thing is they say, you're spoiling, you're wasting your vote. So they have a number of brainwashing that keep hitting people. But this flyer is beautiful because we will hand it out. You can watch people reading it all the way to their car.

They'll take it in their car because it's hitting them in their third eye. It's saying, what am I doing? It's a very self-reflective mirror. And our goal is we get these out, volunteers doing it, We're wearing a hat that says independent. The flyer says independent. And you're saying it in, so you create this triangle,

this visual triangle for the person. And they're taking it volunteer. We're not shoving it in front of their face. So it's really powerful. So we have volunteers coming from all over the country. David, a guy just came in from Virginia. Someone just flew in from California.

Someone just drove up from Florida. Someone came in from Pennsylvania. Because we know that Massachusetts is the epicenter of the global swarm. It is where all the headquarters of the swarm is. The backdoor portal to Twitter was created here. Social media companies at the Belfare School, Kennedy School. Every major economic collapse, every major disaster, every major war can be traced to the one-mile radius between MIT and Harvard. Everything.

All the thieves are created here. They are. So we are in the epicenter. and my winning a Senate election would be a bomb. Now, if you talk to analysts, they'll tell you that the 100 most powerful people on the world, you know who they are? They're the 100 U.S. senators.

Not in the 100 most powerful people in the world, power, is there the 100 U.S. senators. And those senators have quite a bit of power. They can call investigations. They can challenge unanimous consent, many other things. And these senators never exercise that power. power ever. My being in Senate, I will exercise that power because I don't owe anything to the other 99 because I'm not in their game. Rand Paul plays a game. Bernie Sanders plays the game. It's all

acting. So that's why if you look at my track record, David, running an independent movement, winning, winning, winning, imagine what can happen if I'm in the Senate. And the last two campaigns I ran, David, I'm sorry. Go ahead. Those were exposing campaigns. But But this one, we can actually win. We get down the debate stage. Number two, we get those flyers out. And it's low cost. We're not going to spend millions on TV.

It's those flyers. They don't have any volunteers, David. They don't have any people. All they do is after Labor Day, this is how, and this is to everyone. This is how they run their campaigns. They raise their, each wing has their donors. They give these guys money in their left pocket. Then they take money out of the left pocket and put.

it in the right pocket, which is all the media companies. So it's just money circulating around the people go to the same parties. It's not anything bottoms up. So after Labor Day, both will start taking TV ads. And that's a campaign. That's not a freaking campaign. And the other aspect of it is we get a three-way debate. They can't just play this.

Well, you know, I'm an ax-murderer, but he's a pedophile game, right? You know, the lesser of two evils. They can't play that game because, and you can't attack both the other people. You have to have something that you talk about. I think it's a little bit more positive. It's a big game changer to get into the debates. It's difficult enough for independence and third parties to get on the ballot. It's nearly impossible to get into the debate.

So that is a big opportunity. Let me ask you something, though. I began the program today with talking about how they're trying to create a left and right divide over the data centers and the flock cameras and the police state that's coming in. And so I'm coming across article after article. where the left complains about the right that's opposing this stuff. Oh, you don't want to oppose this because the right oppose it. But especially on the right, the right will say,

yeah, you've got all these environmentalists and people like that on the left. Look at how the Democrat socialists are protesting these data centers. We need these data centers to fight China and all the rest of this stuff. And so they're starting to play the left-right game over the data centers. And I've never seen an issue where there is so much agreement. that breaks the partisan divide. So they're going to focus, I think, on that particular issue. What have you said about that?

Well, I've been speaking about this as a technologist for many years. I don't know if you know, David, I have the three earliest U.S. patents on AI. I was one of the leading AI researchers in the 80s and 90s. I built one of the earliest LLM models. It was interesting when my three patents expired on text-based, you know, chat bots you can look at it via email that's when chat chip tk okay so we were seriously thinking about suing them because there's a six year window it's very expensive but nonetheless um if you look at um technology always comes real innovation and whenever technology comes

we as people get very excited because we know it could lead to greater liberation innovation wealth. But ultimately, that technology gets consolidated by a few. So when the printing press came, you know, it was great. But however, five major publishing companies came. And so if you wanted to get a best-selling book out, you had to find an agent, and they created all these layers. When the internet came and I wrote a book called Arts in the Internet, and we talked about the power of the internet. But now that too got consolidated, right? With Google, YouTube, you know, a few guys. Before, the idea was we each built our own websites. And we, we were, we each built our own websites. And we we went direct. Once the search engine companies came and they got consolidated, they controlled

who had access. So, and ultimately, when you look at AI, it's a very powerful technology, but that too is getting the real issue is who's going to own the compute. Okay, who will own the compute? The technology should be for all. And what purpose will they use it for? I mean, that's the thing that concerns me. When you look at the fact, and we saw this with Doge, they can go through a massive amount of data and find the needle in that haystack. And of course, we all know that we commit three felonies a day, as Harvey Silverglade talked about years ago. The law becomes so complex that if you want to identify somebody, you target somebody, bring me the man, I'll find the crime. And Trump has already done that. He did that with Pulte, going back against some of the people that

Trump went to attack or to get even with. And he went through their real estate history. And he found a couple of places where they said that they were going to use their property. for personal services and they used it, they never did live there. And so they're coming after them for mortgage fraud. That can happen to anybody when you have AI that's able to go back and audit each and every one of us all the time. Yeah, so the real issue to me, David, whether it's AI, quantum computing, any of this is who owns it.

You know, there are certain, and I believe that internet and AI, it's a longer discussion we have, should be free and the compute should be unlimited for all people. So there was an organization which understood this and the founders had it. And it's going to may sound anachronistic, but it is the United States Postal Service. The United States Postal Service was set up as an infrastructure by Franklin to support a communications technology, which was a postal service. So if you go look at the history of that prior to the USPS being set up of 1787, the Crown owned all the distribution of letters.

And they would open them up. And in fact, Benjamin Franklin was a postmaster general for the Crown's post office. And he was aware that during the Revolutionary, they were opening up everyone's letters. So this infrastructure of delivering mail is a technology, right? That was manipulated by the Crown. So when the Postal Service was set up, it was sort of a quasi-government, private people's organization. It's quite fascinating. If you look at the history of the Postal Service.

And it allowed a letter to be sent from point A to point B. and the receivers who paid for it. And they made it very cheap. And the Postal Service was an infrastructure play that was created to support open and free communication.

And furthermore, if anyone opened a letter in transit 22 years sentence in prison, that was the encryption, okay? Mm-hmm. Right? You got thrown in jail. Right.

Quite a profound organization. But the philosophy of the Postal Service why the founders, Franklin, the vision was, infrastructure for people's communication. Okay? Now in 1997, you know, I created the first email system in 1978. And at that time when I created that, I went on to have a second life in email to analyze

email for the White House and I created a company called Echo Mail. But in 1997, I was very concerned as my company was growing because I saw email volume was growing and snail mile volume in 1997 was going down. And I went to the post office and I said, hey, look, you guys should also have a public email service that is defended by the constitution, meaning you can't open up mail because private companies were taking over mail communication. And when people are signing up for email, they were giving up these constitutional rights. So the government was outsourcing to private companies with email. And the, and the private companies could open up letters because they're not bounded by the provisions within the Postal Service was.

The Congress had put, Postal Service said, who are you? You're a 29-year-old kid. You don't know anything. We're bigger than Walmart. Get out of here. We don't need to be the email business, but they should have. If Franklin were alive today, he would have made sure they were. And in fact, I said we should have public mail and social media.

You say? Because any communication, because then you have a constitutional way to protect yourself way beyond increasingly. All right. They didn't listen. And in 2011, Postal Service was going out of business. I was interviewed by Time Magazine. I said, these guys are idiots. They could have made a lot of money by charging, let's say, $25 a year for a postal protected. Now, I actually still believe that the internet and these email services and, in fact, AI compute should be free for all Americans, free, unlimited, because it's going to unleash innovation. but what the elites or the swarm wants to do is to consolidate it among the few. We've seen Sam Altman go before Congress say, this is just too powerful. You can't let have ordinary people have access to this. Now, everyone needs to have access to it. Because what AI actually is, it's not an application.

It is work. It is workers. So if I start a company right now, if I have an idea, the ability for my idea to get executed is a function of getting workers. In order to get labor, I have to go to a VC. And the VC will ultimately own 90% of my company and will dictate what I do. But with AI, I don't have to hire workers. Depending on my creativity, these workers can come up with great ideas.

So you can have infinite ideas, infinite wealth in some ways for all humanity. It's two ways to look at it. In that model, but the elites don't want to do that. They want to restrict AI and they want to get rid of working people. Well, let me turn it to the combination of flock cameras and data centers, which makes it a police surveillance state. That's where they want to use it. Yeah, the ability to basically do warrantless tracking of cars. And that's really the concern that I have about it.

I mean, you've got some people on the left, they're concerned about water usage and utility bills and things like that. And those are legitimate concerns. But those could all be handled. The thing that is that I'm concerned about is the surveillance. aspect of it. Have you addressed that? Yeah, so that's what I'm saying. If each one of us has AI compute, we will build technologies against that, David, say? But if they have all the AI compute and it's consolidated, we don't have any way to fight. So my view is that human creativity is infinite. It's really

absolutely infinite and history shows that. But the ability to execute on that creativity is a function of the tools. Now, when I created email in 1978, how was a 14-year-old kid able to do that? Because I was given access to mainframe computers because I went to NYU as a kid and I worked my butt off, but I was able to get access in Rutgers Medical School to people who were 40, 50 years older than me

and given access to the compute. Now, imagine how many other 14-year-old kids there are. So my view as an innovator who keeps innovating stuff and new inventions is that, innovation is in everyone's DNA. Innovation will occur anytime, any place by anybody if you give everyone infrastructure equal access. So the AI compute must be dispersed to everyone.

That's how we fight it, because then we'll come up with our own solutions. When quantum computing comes, it's going to reduce a lot of the energy issues, actually. And it's actually going to bust up even Bitcoin, right? Because you can break a lot of these prime factorization. But the bottom line is there are certain technologies, particularly AI, which are human knowledge. It's all knowledge extracted from us. It cannot be centralized. So once it's centralized, it becomes a surveillance state.

Once it's centralized, it's about getting rid of working people. It's about vast depopulation. And I think one of the things is important coming from you because of your experience in tech and because you see the bigger picture and you've got a historical perspective, but you also have a tech perspective, we're putting stuff out there and we're not even thinking about how it's going to be used. In other words, we've got a local city here in Knoxville spent nearly $10 million putting in a bunch of flock cameras.

And they never thought about any rules about how these things are going to be used until after the fact they still haven't put anything out there. We've had some people say, well, you know you really need to hang on with that. We're going to end the program, but I want to go ahead and play it. We're ending the program, but can you hang around for, just another minute or so because I've got a couple of questions that people put on here, and we're going to let it run just a little bit longer for today. Why are you able to stay around a little bit longer?

Yeah, yeah. All right. Yeah, I have interesting. Yeah, we'll stay. All right. Well, I want to say the people that are listening to us live on radio, thank you so much for joining us. And we will have an extended interview with Dr. Shiva.

We've got some questions that people had for him, and we're going to give those time. And that'll be on the upload that we put up later today on Rumble. Thank you. All right. Now we're, let's continue with this. because I wanted to get some of these questions there. One of them is from Lance, who's working the board today, and he said, what do you think about this first-past-the-post voting system?

Because I think that's one of the things that locks us into this two-party system. What do you think about that? Which one, David? The first pass-a-vote. So that we've got, you know, as soon as somebody gets 50% they're in or the highest one that is in there. We don't have, in other words, some of the alternatives like ranked choice voting and things like that would be...

Yeah, I've heard of ranked choices. Sounds like that, you know? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I believe this is where if you get a plurality, right? Yes. Well, what happens with ranked choice is you have... Everybody gets to go through and rank their choices.

Now, if the first guy doesn't get more than 50%, your first choice doesn't, then what they do is nobody... If nobody gets past 50%, then they come back and they knock off the one choice of everybody. And then they go back and tabulate these things again until they get somebody that goes past 50%. And then in that model, is the guy who get 50% win? Is that the winner? I think so. Yeah, Lance, you can address this if you want. So first pass the post, it's the person that gets the fewest votes gets taken off the ballot. So people list their first choice and second choice. There's also approval rating voting

where you just give each candidate a number from one to ten or one to five. five and tabulate that all up at the end. Just anything. They gradually drop off the people. It's kind of the type of thing that we used to do in a nomination convention where we would have a lot of candidates who would be running. And the lowest vote total goes out and you keep doing it over and over again until you got a winner that's over 50%.

It's just to avoid the whole splitting the vote thing where, you know, if you have two people that are very similar in policy, they can, you know, stop. start leaching votes from each other. Yeah, that kind of addresses the whole wasting your vote type of argument that they have. Yeah, so let's just look at that. Let's say you have three candidates. I mean, let's just apply it here. Let's just look at a scenario, right?

Let's say a Republican, Democrat and independent myself, right? So in that model, people go vote, right? So I guess you keep voting, right, in this model? Well, what happens is, let's say that you're the number two choice of a lot of people and maybe the Republican drops off. So then what they do is they go back. they take the people who had voted for the guy who was the lowest voter, right? The people who he was their first choice, they go back and they reallocate those.

So if you were the second choice, you would get those votes. But how do they reallocate those votes? So they do it by computer. When you put your ballot in, you put your first choice and your second choice and third choice. I see. I see. Okay. Right. So let's see you have Republican Democrat and independent. and 30% of people vote for the Democrat, or let's say 40% vote for the Democrat, 40% vote for me, and 20% voted for the Republican.

They look at all that 20% and look at what their second choice was. That's right. Right? And then they just reallocate. So it is like ranked choice voting, right? Sort of similar. Right, Lance? Yeah.

Yeah, this is ranked choice I was talking about. Well, it's interesting. I mean, I have to model it out, you know, mathematically. but I think the intention there is that if the Republican was similar to my views, right? In that case, I would end up getting his votes because people would have put him first because they were ours, right, just for party loyalty. And they may have put me, Dr. Shiva second, because I'm an independent, but still have

certain views that I support. And it also should address it. I mean, the Republicans oppose this very vehemently, but you look at it, they're a whole argument is, and sometimes the Democrats you say, well, you're costing us a third party or an independent is costing us the vote. But when you look at it, they wouldn't have that stolen vote argument that would be completely gone. They'd say, well, if you're the first choice. At the outset, Travis and Lance, it sounds not like a bad model, you know, because it looks like if I'm a voter and I'm typically voting party loyalty, but I know this guy's saying good stuff,

I'll give my vote there, you know, as a loyalist, and then as a principled person, at least I'll give them the phone over to me, right? That's right. Right. So in that sense, it could be pretty good, right? I agree. I've got another. Yeah. Anyway, I think it's headed in a direction that could be supported of alternate views. I agree. I think so.

I got another question here. This is from Jerry Alital. He says, please ask Shiva for his serious take on the bombshell, Dr. David Martin appearance last night on Jimmy Dore. I don't know what that was. you? No, but I don't know what, maybe, so I have a, I've had a feud with Jimmy Dorr, okay? Jimmy Door, again, is an opportunist. He, I do know, I've, so during COVID, if you remember, I was the first guy who came out there. Jimmy Dorr really didn't know what was going on. Jimmy Dor was, was a Boobie Kennedy star. You can fill in the blank, okay? And he was promoting Kennedy.

And I was hammering Kennedy for what he was actually doing, which is promoting lockdowns, you know, making the Vax anti-Vax argument versus, you know, the immune health issue, you know, the fake Maha movement. And then Dore would attack me online. And then after Kennedy went completely pro-Zionist, he said the Palestinians of the most pampered people on the planet, then Dore started attacking Kennedy. But more recently, he started appreciating. Kennedy again.

Because if you notice something fascinating has occurred, it's a distraction piece, David. Kennedy was on this thing and Laura Logan and these people were promoting him. Again, opportunists. Kennedy was saying, oh, my God, they're stealing organs from people. Okay? Big, you know, making that huge news. Meanwhile, two important things got passed by his blessings. A CDC director gets appointed who's massively pro-vaccine mandate.

Oh, yeah. That's a big news. And the second thing was they approved the MRI flu vaccine. So these two things were the big things. Now the MRI vaccine was just for COVID. It's for all flus. So that's what Moderna always wanted, right? They wanted the entire market.

And he distracts people with an executive order about childhood vaccines, which is just a head fake. I mean, he doesn't have the ability to set these vaccine schedules. They're set by the state and local government. Exactly. So everything Kennedy does is to appease this manipulated maha people who we actually broke away a lot of people from him. So I'm not sure what David Martin is except, you know, I don't know much about him. You know, I do know he says stuff, but if you believe what he says, people have told him, why aren't you supporting our movement?

Here's the thing, David, we actually have built a political bottoms up movement. You'll have these grifters talking, getting views and clicks, but we actually have an organization. We get people to do action. Why aren't they supporting? They will go to great means not to mention my name or our movement. That's what I find fascinating. Yeah.

It's really fast. Like we actually have an organization. Right? So that tells me they will expose stuff. And that's a class that I put David Martin into. And if Jimmy Doer is giving him views, you know, Jimmy Doer again will not put me on. People have repeatedly asked him.

So I would urge, and this is not being egotomaniac. is go judge these podcasters, ask him, why don't you put Dr. Chivon, MIT, PhD, multiple degrees, right? Inventor scientists, you know, publishes in all the major journals, won every award. Why aren't you putting him on it? And he's been on the forefront of fighting and he has a movement. Why don't you put him on? And that's a litmus test for you to find out whether these podcasters are real or not. David will put me on because David Knight, as I know, is principled and he wants to build a movement. He wants to see fundamental change from below. I do. And if you got something that you're working on, why wouldn't people want to hear what you have to say? I mean, we want to

hear all views out there. But David, I have, they all follow me. Joe Rogan follows me. Right? And but he will put others who put me on their shows who are, if you look at their views and clicks far lower than mine, but they go to extreme things, not to mention my name and to intentionally not put me on. Because by putting me on, it blows up everything for them because I have made it even in the standards of the swarm without ever compromising. You see, and my journey reveals to people that you don't have to compromise. You can be principled and still be quote unquote successful.

They want to train people into monkey brains that you must beg to them. You must go to Epstein Island. You must do these things in order to get success. I agree. So my journey completely breaks that. And it's unfortunate for them because, all of them are bought and paid for. Jimmy Dorr's bought and paid for.

You know, Alex Jones is bought and paid for. Joe Rogan is bought and paid for. They are controlled either internally by their desire for incredible wealth or money or by external puppet masters. Nonetheless, they're controlled by Mammon. And that's where we're at. So I don't know about Martin,

but I wasn't that impressed by him. You know, many people have reached out to him. He does a shtick, but he does not support building a bottoms up movement. he doesn't i agree yeah it is it really is bottoms up and it is at the local level that we have to get active you know david i'm doing your show right now i have three volunteers at the local grocery store who i'm going to be training how to hand out flyers how many senate candidates do that that's absolutely but that's what we're doing that's true action like i have to go out it's almost

95 degrees here people are coming in from different parts of massachusetts but i want to want to teach them how to get over their shyness because it's very hard for citizens to take time out of their workday, stand in front of a grocery store and interact with people. The swarm wants us to be in this 2D social media world, which is highly, highly controllable, manipulable. They don't want you going out in the multi-dimensional physical world, seeing people, and you'll find out people are not all demoralized. People when they see our flyers are like, this is cool, right? They get excited. They want people to live in this mode of, you know, friction.

I've got two quick questions for you. One of them is a little bit challenging. The other one maybe is a home run for you to hit here. Let's see. This is time non-tide says, ask Dr. Shiva if he supports public health, that is government coercing Americans. He once said that, don't scroll that up. Hang, pull it back there. I lost it.

He once said that old people perhaps ought to have been isolated. What would you say about that? That old people ought to have been isolated, I guess. No, I haven't said that. Okay. No, no. If you go look at the letter I wrote to Trump, I broke it up with four groups. I said you have people who are in ICUs, you know, who have major, you know, immune issues, right?

I said those people should be quarantined and protected. in the worst case if they have serious illness. Number one group. The second group of people was, I mean, we can bring up the letter. You can go to Shiva for Senate if people would find it. But I said there are four groups of people, healthy people, people who have COVID. I forget the other group. Oh, people are immunocompromised.

And the first group were people who are actually in ICUs, okay? And have serious health issues. So for all of them, I said that people should take a dose of, a high dose vitamin A, high dose vitamin D, Z, zinc, iodine quercetin. You can find the protocol. The healthy people should go back to work and they should be isolated. They should work and they should also take about 5,000, 10,000 I use vitamin D and work normally. There was no reason to shut down the economy.

I took a very small sliver of people. And I said the people who had COVID, they should take that and get if they were heading into the ICU. 100 grams of vitamin C titrated because that really boosts up the immune system and stops the cytokine storm. So my goal was the right medicine for the right person at the right time. That's personalized medicine. It's not one size fits all, which is what they want to do. So in this case, you're saying, okay, these people are healthy. Okay, these people are heading into the ICU. They need something to really support their immune system. These people are immunocompromise. And for them, they need a much higher dose of vitamin A and D, not just...

10,000 I use, 50,000 I use. And the people who are seriously ill, they should obviously rest and take care of themselves. They shouldn't be, frankly, exposed to all the chaos that's going around. Right, right. Of course, the game was, starting two months before 9-11, the game was to just like everybody down until you got your vaccine ready. And nothing else was allowed. And none of it was, and in fact, that people were isolated, they should go on a high-d

vitamin A&D in a boost, right? But the idea was if you're already in the hospital, if you're sick, why should you, if anyone should be quarantined, it should be those people. Okay, the next one should be an easy one for you. Hi, Boo. So what is Shiva's view on Israel controlling our Congress? I think that's an easy one, you know? I think you guys may see the video I did, which went viral, and it came out very naturally.

It's a term that came out and it went viral. everyone started using it. But just to let you know that to me, the Israel question really brings up the big difference between being Jewish, which is really more of an ethnic question. A lot of my friends growing up were Jewish. And a lot of them were anti-Zionist. They knew the difference. And the bigger issue is you don't have to be Jewish to be Zionists.

There are Muslim Zionists. There are a lot of Hindu Brahmin Zionists. A lot of Christian Zionists. A lot of Christian evangelical Zionists. You don't have to be Jewish. In fact, Jewish or Zionists are a very small portion. Since 1984, David, when I learned about all this, I've been a big proponent of educating people on this.

I ran lots of protests against people like Mayor Kahana when he came to MIT. You know, educating people this fundamental difference because Zionism is a political ideology. It's very much like Brahmanism of the caste system in India or Nazism, right? They take some religious stuff, wrap it with politics, but the idea is to do justify a few people should rule over a lot of people. Oh, yeah. And APAC, to answer the question, obviously, I do not support them,

is the manipulation of that at the level of elected officials who basically they control their policy and many, many, policy of the United States. But I think the bigger issue here is that Zionism is racism in the service of the swarm or imperialism. That's what it really is, just like Brahminism is. So in Hindu, you have the Hindu religion. We can talk about that.

Then they wrapped it around grammatical thought where a few people should control over the 1.6 billion Hindus, right? So that was based on these people being better than the rest. So these political ideologies when they're, you know, framed into religious contexts, they're very, very powerful to manipulate people. That's right. And that's what Zionism is.

But it was done by a guy who was an atheist, theater rehearsal, you know? And that's the power of combining church and state, really. That's what we're talking about here. And it's very anti-American. Well, if you were going to take money from APEC, you wouldn't be worried about getting on the debate stage. But thank you for not doing that. And again, just to remind people, Dr. Shiva has been offered an invitation to get on

to the PBS debate there as a Senate candidate. And he just has to cross the threshold for the donations. He'd not really been focusing on it this particular time because he'd changed the way the structure was set up. So it's a last-minute purge. If you can help him, Where's the best place people can go to? They can go to Shiva, S-H-I-V-A, numeral four,

Senate.com. There's a donate button or if you want to go direct Shiva for Senate.com slash donate. Okay. And we're very transparent. We list how much we currently have. There's a thermometer. It's right up there so you can see it.

Right. How much we have right now. All right. So we'll put that in the show notes. Thank you so much for staying extra time even with us today. I appreciate it. It's been fascinating to talk to you. Thank you so much, Dr. Shiva.

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