The David Knight Show - INTERVIEW Fort Knox, “Trust the Gold”: What is the Trump/Musk PR Purpose?

Episode Date: February 27, 2025

Fresh from dazzling the crowds at Anarchapulco, Tony Arterburn, DavidKnight.gold, joins us to expose the shocking truth behind Fort Knox.  Has the glittering treasure been stolen from the American people even if it’s all there?  With Trump and Musk plotting a dramatic walkthrough and the Treasury Secretary spinning audacious lies, is this all a staged spectacle to prop up a crumbling dollar, or the prelude to a global financial reset?And, a congressman tries to impress Trump by proposing a new paper money bill with Trump as the face.  What denomination should it be? Money should have intrinsic value AND transactional privacy: Go to DavidKnight.gold for great deals on physical gold/silverIf you would like to support the show and our family please consider subscribing monthly here: SubscribeStar https://www.subscribestar.com/the-david-knight-show Or you can send a donation throughMail: David Knight POB 994 Kodak, TN 37764Zelle: @[e-mail] App at: $davidknightshowBTC to: bc1qkuec29hkuye4xse9unh7nptvu3y9qmv24vanh7For 10% off Gerald Celente's prescient Trends Journal, go to TrendsJournal.com and enter the code KNIGHTFor 10% off supplements and books, go to RNCstore.com and enter the code KNIGHTBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-david-knight-show--2653468/support.

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against my own nature. I usually don't go on any sort of trip longer than four or five days and it just went a little farther on. But I was asked by Jeff berwick to to speak at the end of anarcho poco he had a panel and uh so i spoke twice there on gold crypto and uh the monetary system and the stuff that you and i talk about every thursday but it was live and it was great it was good to network with people as like-minded and you know getting some sunshine didn't hurt either and you didn't see any uh drug gangs they're shooting people up right it's you know we started having some of that well yeah i you know you you and that when you're in acapulco you want to make sure that you don't want to stand out too much and you don't want to you know throw your weight around and you i went back to the the hotel every uh every day after

the presentations and i just just stayed to myself um that's it's not my country yeah that's right that's right well let's talk a little bit about what's going on at fort knox uh and i want to get your take on it because we've got um you know uh trump and musk are saying yeah we're going to go do a walkthrough and rand is saying well i never was allowed to go through there and then you've got the treasury secretary uh besant who said oh it's all there it's audited every year and it's like what uh this guy's gonna lie to your face just like uh anthony fauci uh of course the the gold is under the u.s treasury but i like this headline from

mrs the gold at fort knox was stolen from americans now what do you think about this and about the auditing and about Bessant saying, well, we audit it every year and it's all there. He knows that. Sure you do. Right. Sure you do. I think what's interesting is going back to the pre-1950s audit of our actual gold holdings. You know, we're supposed to have about 8,100 tons of gold and I think about 4,000 tons or so are supposed to be at Fort Knox. Well,

we actually had somewhat double that or more before the end of World War II. And I think the bigger question, where did that gold go? I always talk about this, kind of the side history to the executive order by FDR in 1933 was, you know, turn in your gold coins. We had the $20, $10 and $5 gold pieces. And people were told to turn those in because they were going to reset the system and inflate the money supply. They raised gold from $20 an ounce to $35 an ounce. But there's a little known history there that that gold that was taken from the American people is melted down. And a giant chunk of it went to the Bank of International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, the BIS. The BIS was started in the 1920s.

It's just after World War One. And that was by design. You go back and look at that, you know, the hijacking of the American money supply and the creation of the Federal Reserve in 1913. These were all moments in history where the setup to rob Americans of their gold goes way back. And, you know, decoupling our dollar from gold, and that really started before 1971. And Nixon took us off the gold standard in 71, closed the gold window. He didn't say we're going off the gold standard officially. And that was supposed to be temporary. But the world had already realized that, you know, we debased our coins and going back to 65 and taking the silver out.

We inflated the money supply. Everybody knows that. So that is an open question. You know, whether the gold in Fort Knox and other gold that we hold at the Federal Reserve Banks and elsewhere, I think that what that's supposed to show is, you know, the strength of the United States economy and all the rest of that. But if you monetize the gold today, it's only about $760 billion, which would only cover about, what, three quarters of the interest payment on one annual

budget for the debt. So they're not going to re-monetize that gold in today's prices. That's something I talked about in Anarchapoco. I think what's happening now, and as I start resetting the way I look at this, because I've been for so long, the U.S. and the West, the Federal Reserve Bank especially, has been at war with gold. And it has. It's a natural enemy. Because when you decouple it from a standard and the dollar is no longer backed by gold, I think that throughout the 70s, we showed that the U.S. went to war with gold. And especially in the 80s and 90s, it's lost control of that narrative. And that's because of the math. And it's because of the sheer weight of the debt. I mean, it's, you know, trillions, whatever, every 90 days or so we go another trillion dollars in debt. And so that accelerating rate of debt just keeps going.

This is where I start to kind of look at the board a little bit different nowadays, because for so long we didn't even talk about the gold holdings in the West. The Chinese have been accumulating since the beginning of the century, all these central banks buying gold since 2009, and really just since 2022, just off the charts and breaking the record. So I think there's something without actually having the knowledge, so I can't tell you what's happening, but if these subtleties, like we talked off air about, you know, trying to, Musk and Trump were looking to restore some sort of trust. But I think that's really the key issue here is what's going on with the monetary holdings of these banks. Are we going towards some sort of worldwide gold standard reset? And I've long since thought the BRICS nations were headed towards that.

And it wasn't about, I think that's just a sideshow with people saying they're going to create their own currency. I think what we're looking at here is I think the United States is going to start showing its hand and saying how much gold it has. Not to sell that gold or to use that asset to do anything with our current monetary system. But I think that's a future play for what may be on the horizon with the rest of the world competing against the dollar. It may be a preemptive reset. So you think this whole thing about, well,

we need to audit Fort Knox and everybody's like, yeah, yeah, that's great. That'd be great. Oh, let's show the truth. You think that's really just a kind of a predetermined dog and pony show to build a people's trust for when they reset the financial system globally? I think that's a real possibility, and I didn't anticipate this. I didn't anticipate any kind of look into Fort Knox. Those of us in the gold business, gold bucks, we've just thought, well, is it even there? There's open question marks over that because the United States didn't seem to care what its gold holdings were. We had the almighty dollar, you know, and gold was a barbarous relic. I think I said at Anarchapoco, I said fiat currency is a barbarous relic. And that's because it actually is, you know, nothing's more barbarous than fiat bankers wars that we've had

in the 20th century. It's, you know, absolutely monstrous and satanic. You know, John Maynard Keynes, that famous line that gold is a barbarous relic. Well, I think, you know, and if you look at some of the things I found when I was given presentations, I went to go talk to the A.I. You know, go and type in what's the end of Gresham's law? You know, because we always talk about Gresham's law. It's, you know, the when bad money enters a system, good money goes into hiding. Well, it just that's how it says the law works. But what happens in the end? Well, you know, good money comes back. And I think that's really where we are at some level. And you

can see just things moving faster than I'd anticipated. Maybe it's because of the new administration or maybe this was always on the plan. But I know the powers that be, they survive off of the fiat currency system. The Pentagon had ran that war game three years ago, David, of a Gen Z Bitcoin revolt. I've often brought that up. That was one of those headlines where I went, whoa, they're running the war games on people leaving the dollar internally. So I know they have to run these simulations and they're very aware of what happens if the world abandons the dollar. This may be a strategy on their part, just psychologically preparing people for gold is money again, and possibly.

Yeah, yeah, that's interesting. Because, of course, you know, all wars are bankers' wars, and so the Pentagon is going to be wargaming what happens when people go figure out their enemy, the people of the bankers, enemies of the people. And so how are they going to war game this thing? It's kind of interesting in this Mises article. He was talking about you talked about how they confiscated these coins, melted them down, put a lot of them into the Bank of International Settlement, they said you're going to find probably if they look at this stuff, they will find that it's a little bit lower quality gold because it was melted down coins. And Fort Knox, perhaps, is what they're saying.

But again, the whole thing begs the question as to why is all this gold being repatriated? And do we have any information at all as to who is doing this? Is it the government? Is it corporations that are trying to secure things in secure things in advance do you have any information about that as to has anybody uh scoped out who is actually causing this massive flow of uh gold back into the united states that is the open question and whether there seems to be government pressure on multinationals to reallocate gold a lot of this is under the guise of the tariff threat. That's why I'm suspicious that something else is actually afoot here that

I didn't anticipate. Again, this is a change in direction, a sea change. The U.S. government is signaling and even talking about its gold. I mean, just before the handover, you had Janet Yellen in front of a press conference, live conference somebody asked her about the dollar losing the world's reserve currency status and the the monument fell off the the podium you remember when they asked her about it i mean that's that's where i mean that's where my mind went it was like well the dollar's off the rails and so it may just be you know the writing on the wall uh then going back to the i'm just reading that about the you know in the book of daniel that's really about the loss of the Babylonian kings, his monetary standard, you know, the writing on the wall. I think that's what we're seeing here.

So this says IOU. These are IOUs, these are better than money. That's really what we're in a world of fiat. And, you know, what the debt of the world totals is somewhere like 400 trillion. Happiness. We all know what it feels like, but sometimes it doesn't come easy. I'm Garvey Bailey, the host of Happy Enough, a new podcast from The Globe and Mail about our pursuit of happiness. We know people want to live more fulfilling and positive lives, but how do we actually do that?

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are bankrupt and the United States, with its uh massive money printing and expanded empire that's bloated and overstretched and everything else i mean we're just over leveraged leveraged to the hilt yeah and so this may be a way of softening up psychologically um people for you know either a new type of uh of currency standard with the u.s and i'm not look i i hear all this chatter. I've heard this for years. You know, Trump's going to put us on a gold standard, all this nonsense. And to be honest, I'm not even a fan of it. I think we have our own gold standard.

I think there will always be fiat currency through governments or something like that. And it will be monetized in a way that you know a medium of exchange where you can get goods and services but it'll have a diminishing value i think that's probably always going to be uh and i get look we we had a gold standard supposedly from 1933 to 1974 but it was illegal for you to own gold so i don't think that those things don't go together to me just because the dollar supposedly you know backed by some i want to have the So I don't think that those things don't go together to me just because the dollar supposedly, you know, backed by some, I want to have the gold. I don't really, you know, I don't want the pieces of paper. I think that's the way the country was founded. So I'm skeptical about any of these moves to nationalize anything or to, you know, to put an edict out that we're

on some sort of new standard. I think that there's a better way to do it, and I like the ability for people to decentralize, have their own gold holdings or their own crypto holding. Yeah, and when I look at people, like I mentioned earlier in the show, Lucky Lutnik at the center of 9-11 and the financial aspects of that, this is Trump's treasury secretary. This is a guy who's famous for tether and other things like that. Of course, he's done a lot of questionable crypto stuff, but he's also, you know, the tether coin that is tied to the dollar.

Maybe if they want to try to reset the financial system and tether it to gold or something like that, he would be their guy, wouldn't he? I mean, if you look at this, I don't know if that's what they're up to, but I really am suspicious of this whole thing about, oh, let's take a field trip to Fort Knox and show everybody the shiny gold bars and everything and restore their faith in all of this. Because I think this trust restoration is a theme that we hear openly being said by all of these people that Trump has appointed. Tulsi Gabbard says, I'm here to restore people's trust in the intelligence community. Okay. And then you've got RFK Jr. says, I want to restore people's trust in the health system and on and on.

So maybe they're here to restore your trust. And the fact that there's gold there and that somehow makes the government solvent. But, you know, it is kind of interesting to see, Tony, that Joe Wilson, the guy, the congressman from South Carolina who famously stood up and said to Obama, you lie, you know. He is now pushing for a $250 bill to have Trump's face on it and he says we would have the we would have the most valuable bill for the most valuable president well i don't know i think there's like a thousand dollar bill things there i don't know but uh yeah he wants you talk about somebody there's a 500 bill i think so this is somebody who is a full-on obsequious sycophant to Trump.

And it's just amazing to watch these guys fall over. But I think it would be a monumental move to recognize his role in runaway inflation. That's what I was going to say. I mean, why do you need a $250 bill? It reminds me of that. I know you've played it before.

You remember that Dan Aykroyd skit on SNL during the Carter administration? He's like, we're going to make everybody a millionaire through inflation. You know, like, now I'm a millionaire. Yeah, that would be apropos. And you got to remember, in this world, it just, it really breaks my heart to, you know, look at people that are otherwise, you know, honest journalists and people that are that are skeptical of narratives of this partisan just hellhole that we're in sometimes where you have to be like, look at what Biden did to the money printing. And I'm like, we just did this. I mean, this is both administrations. It was under Trump just in the last year of his presidency is 40 percent, I believe, believe all the dollars ever created and then if you add in together the the biden administration and all the stuff that they did when it took office with the

amount of influx of of uh you know debt and currency creation it's 80 so those things go together i mean we're these are unprecedented times what was the i mean i just remind people the debt of the u.s i think when trump took office was somewhere around $18 trillion or so. And I think we've doubled it since the first Trump administration. And I could be off on a trillion or two, but I think that's about right. And I usually follow those metrics. And I stopped looking. We're at, what, $37 trillion?

Because the numbers are just so massive. You know, we've never seen anything like it in history. And that's where we're at the end game of whatever this is with our, you know, fiat currency experiment after 71. And, you know, you don't have to I don't think you have to be an economist or, you know, be a seer or have some sort of special psychic ability to look into the future. It's just math. I mean, that's what we've done. You could probably keep it alive for a while. We made some really poor decisions and, you know, it's just increased the money supply and we stopped doing anything fiscally responsible. I think that's where we are. And maybe you're right. You know, this is like a way to show trust. But isn't that interesting that for all these years, we ignored gold.

It was never talked about. We ignored trade. That was never talked about. It was always just like, oh, you're a conspiracy theorist or you don't understand economics. And here's Paul Krugman at the Wall Street Journal. He's going to tell you all about how you're stupid for thinking that there needs to be tariffs or anything like that. And now we're doing tariffs and now gold's back um it's so it's a weird time i've you know i've spent my entire life just being on the outside of this and now it's a lot of this argument has changed and switched um but i don't know that the american people are going to understand that completely that the gold's there separate right from the dollar so even if you go and show the gold at fort knox and i think a lot of

that is you're right some of that melted down gold and it's probably not 999 but there's these giant you know multiple kilo bars or whatever they are uh and i because i've never seen them i mean it's like you know it's so secretive uh it's done every year don't you know that is done every year according to the treasury secretary i tell you that to me his credibility just went right down to zero when he did that yeah it's like everybody's been talking about how there hasn't been a uh an audit and and the people that were there didn't challenge him on that either they just let him say that go away they've pushed gold out of the mind uh of you know in our modern you know anything in the post uh franklin roosevelt world i mean gold was pushed out of the mine until 71 and then uh people started saying you know seeing gold on the

the world market start to rise and it really wasn't rising it was just the dollars purchasing power falling in 74 gerald ford made it legal freedom gold and there was this you know i think you know people went into gold but it's it's a small percentage of the population i know because that's my business uh that's what i'm in i think if the if you started getting into the average person and there wasn't these paper markets and other thing that has gone on to i think keep the price suppressed um if you get into that and people start looking at wanting to get away from counterparty risk and actually holding physical gold david i mean all bets are off and what what this is actually denominator i don't know the true price of gold in conjunction with what the dollar is uh and what the how debased

it has become and that's that's for all world currencies i think you know we're we're on the cusp of a revaluation around the globe and maybe not tomorrow but i think that's what the rest of the world uh anticipates especially the brics nations um you know china's been accumulating massive amounts since the beginning of the century and we're this may be the setup for you know an entirely new game um well of course as you say all the time you know the gold has been fairly consistent in terms of what it purchases. It's been consistent over a century or whatever,

even longer than that. And it's the currencies, the fiat currencies that are fluctuating all over the place. But now gold is setting record highs against a lot of other currencies, not just against the U.S. dollar. I think if Joe Wilson wants to honor Trump and he really wants to have him be a big bill,

I think what he needs to do, they need to create a $1,200 bill to mimic the stimulus. Everybody. Yeah, the STEMI bill. And because that's the point when he started doing the lockdown and the stimulus thing,

that's the point where we changed the slope of the debt accumulation, and it started going up at a much, much deeper rate and angle. So just commemorate that. And on the back, you can get rid of God. You can put in stimulus we trust, because that's basically what they trust in and what put us on this path. So honor that.

But, of course, they're not going to do that. And then we talk about silver last time you were on and how, you know, there's a difference between the retail market and what the institutions are looking at because people are being forced, in many cases, to sell. What does it say about our economy? We've got another indicator of that. This is kind of interesting that nvidia

blew away expectations selling billions of a new chip but their stock didn't go anywhere i mean are we looking at um you know the stagflation or the dragflation or whatever the people have been talking about is that part of what is happening with some of even the metal markets it's certainly happening with the stock market i don't know if that's what's happening with crypto we see crypto going down what was it like 84 000 yesterday i think i got a a message on cash app saying goes down by whoever goes down by five percent or more they send me a message you know so as i get the same thing yeah yeah exactly so i don't know you know what what do you think is going on? I think it's uncertainty, entropy. I think we're entering into a bear market, and a lot of this stuff was overpriced.

If you notice, gold right now, and I was watching before we went live, but yeah, it's down $40 an ounce over the last five, six hours or so. $2,876 per troy ounce, $3,148 for silver. That's according to goldprice.org. But I think that's just a little bit of profit taking. You know, $2,875 is still massive gains for gold over the past year or so, and especially two or three years. I mean, we're just crazy, crazy times. But I think this is probably some profit-taking for metals right now. And, you know, we can talk about silver, but gold especially is a profit-taking. And I think people are anticipating some blood in the streets because there's going to be more stocks and other implosions that will happen.

I think we're just set and poised for that, David. I mean, there's a lot of these companies, they don't make profit. I mean, look, we live in an age where the central bank, the Federal Reserve actually lost $986 billion last year. So I just want to reiterate that. The people that make the money lost money. That's always, I mean, I don't know, I'm not an expert, but I look at that and think, wow, at least I didn't lose $986 billion with a printing press. How do you even do that? But they did. That's why you got to get rid of the pennies. That's, we don't want an accounting for anything. It's like, I'm going to get rid of the pennies.

No, but there's, there's, there's something, there's something inherently flawed in the entire financial system worldwide. And I've long since thought every time I dig into this stuff every day, but I just think this is overpriced. We're overleveraged. Used to, the economics was about meeting a need. You have a need. I make something.

I make the best of that thing, and I make it the most effective and, you know, the most affordable and I win. But that's really not what modern economics is. Zombie corporations. It's the it's ESG, environmental, social governance. It's all it's it's, you know, Marxian monetary models by other means. And those things have consequences. You know, if you built something on message and not about, you know, actually making a profit like corporations like Disney or these other things that are, you know, the social engineering, you even just the companies that make food, David, I mean, it's not even about making a profit anymore. Most of these tech companies, it's all just a wash and debt and venture capital and promises and other things. And it's not every company.

But, you know, I think there's a lot of things that have true fundamentals, like mining stocks. I mean, I was listening to presentations at Anarchapoco. That's when people know a lot more about mining stocks than I do and showing some metrics. And I'm thinking, wow, if you look at the average stock price out there, there's a lot of companies that are actually doing something, making something, rare earth minerals and other things that will be,

that will have value. I just think we're just awash and fake. And it's hard to know where you come out on the other end of this thing with so much hanging. And I think there'll be surprises. It's like, you know, before Enron collapses,

like almost no warning something like that or a worldcom lehman brothers other things that's what's on the chopping block and there's a we call it creative destruction or whatever they're going to do but a lot of this stuff is going i think on sale very soon and there's some profit taking in both gold and and you know if you want to talk about bitcoin i i have some ideas there, but, you know, ETF outflows and massive consumption by the whales that are just gobbling the stuff up right now. So I don't think Bitcoin's story isn't over just yet. A Syrian girl says, unless they take a lot of random gold bar samples, cut into them and assay

them, I wouldn't believe my lying eyes if they did open the vaults and look at them and show it to us and that's the way i feel i think most people are going to feel that way i don't think it's and i really do think though that they're going to do a cursory show of that and i i think for most of the people who are uh who want to believe trump who want to believe this they will believe what they want to believe when they see this whole thing there well they should offer it up to the american people and get your own piece of Fort Knox and then just sell it right there. You know, it's about four hundred and fifty six billion. You know, that would cover the debt for what? Ninety days.

Brian Teller says, why not just go back to having gold and silver coinage as our money instead of the fiat bull crap? Well, I think that's so that they can control things. Right. That's the whole point of all the fiat bull crap. Well, I think that's so that they can control things, right? That's the whole point of all the fiat stuff. And, you know, when I look at this and we look at all the people around Trump and I said, I think they're going to bring in digital money to measure things through the back door. And when you go back and look at what the technocracy wanted to do in the 1930s,

they were saying we need to price everything in terms of energy. And of course, there was a component of that with Kissinger putting us on the petrodollar, right? It kind of halfway, you know, one foot in each of these types of things. We're going to back it up with energy, but they wanted to just go completely into energy. And I thought that'd be a perfect fit for them because everybody's realizing that all this climate change stuff is a bunch of hooey. There's nothing to it. So they just drop after they've talked about this, they've created the structures to say, well, we've got to have digital currency and surveillance so we can stop you from destroying the planet. And they say, well, okay, it's not going to destroy the planet, but hey,

this is a better system. So let's just take all the stuff we've already been working on and let's just roll it over here and we'll use it to measure your energy consumption. Because energy consumption is – measuring the energy consumption is a great way – a great metric of activity, and that's really a more realistic thing that we want to do. I could see that being the way that they go. I don't know. We'll have to wait and see. They're going to move fast. They're going to break things. That's their motto in Silicon Valley, isn't it?

Well, it's going to be a lot of confusion on the way to get there. There definitely will dangle things out there that will be dummies, you know, the things that will be there to distract you. And then we'll go and look over here while this is happening over. That's, it's, you know, and I know that this is all about, you know, the people in control aren't going to just give that up you know if we went back to a system like we were designed to have our founding fathers set up if we had no income tax if we had a a bimetallic monetary system things aren't perfect uh but you have a lot more freedom and there's a lot more uh the the unleashing of the the potential of the average

american out there to start a business would be, I can't imagine what it would be like today if you didn't have to spend countless hours trying to figure out how to pay your taxes or what regulation or what bureaucrat was going to be knocking on your door or whatever else, you know, like if or how to, you know, how to save in the face of inflation, you inflation, how to keep purchasing power. And you talk about energy. The robbing of your energy and your time and your effort is just so criminal with the fiat currency system. So they're not going to stop that because ultimately that's where they gain their power.

And then the lifeblood of the military industrial complex is the fiat dollar. And we lost the petrodollar. There's a lot of these events that are happening that will confuse you if you're watching this because it's not linear. So they're doing something to wreck the system, a controlled demolition of some kind. I'm just keeping all options open. I just know that at the end of the day, the question we all should be asking is why are governments in the currency business i don't need them in the currency business the private sector does a much better job at that right now especially with technology i don't need you yeah maybe there's a taxing system

and we all have an agreed upon set of metrics that we pay our taxes in or something like that not that i even agree with it it could just be you know a consumption tax or something um i don't believe in an income tax could be a combination of tariffs but we're not this is a fantasy that i'm bringing up by the way but i don't need governments you don't need i have a bitcoin standard i have a gold standard i have a silver standard uh and the private sector with especially with technology today, would do a far better job at accounting and, you know, with efficiency than the government. But they're going to the government's use that as a way to expand their power and their reach. And that's why we have that's what that's why we have. What was it we're talking about?

It was the F-35, David. It was like a trillion plus dollars. I remember I typed that in one time before I was coming on your show, and I go, that can't be right. That can't be right. And I went and looked at it. Because if you think about that, you know, how much money that is. But they just throw that around now. It's truly insane.

It's not anything that we need to even bother with. It's not a trillion dollars. I mean, if it's just a billion dollars, who cares, right? A couple of billion dollars. You're talking about real money money after a while they're handing that out to stacy abrams you know here's two billion dollars we're getting ready to go out so this is our parting gift to you or goodbye uh yeah going back to brian you know why not just go back to gold and silver well because the you know the the founding fathers wanted to have honest money and they wanted to have an honest government and we don't have honest money money, and that's by design because we don't have an honest government.

And so that's what they're going to do. And so when I look at gold and silver, to me, that's kind of your fallback position when they get so far out of hand that nothing is real and nothing is trusted and everything is fraudulent. You can always go back to that type of system. People can get around it. We saw that type of thing happening during the Great Depression. You had local communities using wooden nickels or whatever that they minted for that community, kind of a community coin. There's ways that we can get around that system. And if you've got something that's got real value, that's had real value for

as long as mankind's been around, then that's a good start for starting up another system that is hopelessly fraudulent. Turin Tarambar says there's $1,000 bills, but they're not in general circulation. They're generally only for the Fed to commercial bank transactions. That's kind of what I thought. So therefore, again, my suggestion of a $ suggestion of a 1200 bill that would get him on top again and it would be a nod to the uh to the master of inflation kicking all that stuff off and we should just leave the numbers blank and then whatever the number is that day you know

you can fill it in or something like that you get your own stamp make it electronic which is what they want to do right it's constantly varying so um. So, yeah, when we get to, and again, you know, why, you can ask the question, why do we have all these ETFs, right? Who needs them? Especially the ETFs for Bitcoin. Why are they creating derivatives? Well, because they're frauds. You know, you look at a fiat currency, you look at the derivatives, the ETFs,

especially for something like Bitcoin. Bitcoin was already, you could do it fractionally for any amount and instantaneous. Why would you need to have these guys doing ETFs for Bitcoin? It made absolutely no sense. Well, if you want to keep the majority of people from discovering that they can just hold it themselves, that's a great way to start. And especially, where's the money? You know, what was it?

Babyface Nelson, they asked him why he robbed banks. He said, that's where the money is. That's right. And, you know, these ETFs, BlackRock and others that are in the retirement business or holdings that hold people's funds, well, the funds belong to baby boomers mostly. This is the baby boomer generation. That's where the wealth is. So that's where they went. And those people usually don't know how to hold a Bitcoin or they don't understand it or whatever it is.

So they took advantage of that knowledge gap. And they said, well, we control that. We can control this vast, you know, limited supply of this technology called Bitcoin on the blockchain. And we can get ahead of that. And we can, I think, control the markets. Larry Fink was just over at Davos a few weeks ago saying that Bitcoin was going to 700,000. I'm making a price prediction. I thought that was interesting. If you look at it right now, David,

they have a lot of ETF outflows. People are probably ordering their brokers to sell and getting out of that and into something else because it looks like the party's over for right now. I think the interesting part to that is that these ETF outflows show massive whales buying. It's coming in, just buying massive amounts of when the outflows happen, the whales are eating it up. Of course, the prices are still tumbling. I think we'll probably get into the $70,000 range, $75,000 range range and then it will start the upward march again. I think that's what

will happen again because who holds it? And I think because they're looking at the, you know, they know what's happening with the debt worldwide and currency and everything else and stocks and overvaluation. It's a way for them to park their funds into something that is finite and it's not really going to be they can't print more bitcoins you can't expand that stock supply and you know our board of directors can't really tank bitcoin it has it's it's so decentralized so i think this is a temporary lull in the crypto market but you know we saw this with with gold david i mean they they

raised interest rates faster than any time in history didn't do anything to gold that's one of the things i mentioned when i spoke at anarcho-poco i said look anytime other in history we looked if they're raising interest rates and contracting the money supply it strengthens the dollar and it i mean you can make an argument that it could strengthen the dollar and it did but gold kept rising in the face of that yeah i just think all the and we've never seen it go that rapidly you know he was lying like uh you know 75 basis points every time he did something on a regular basis you know last time when they um you know popped the bubble uh you had the fed was raising it 25 basis points every time they come around this time

they tripled that and still it didn't uh take out gold it's interesting yeah it's interesting and i think that's because of the fundamentals and what's driving the price of precious metals right now is i think is we're just seeing historical shift we're at the end of a fourth turning uh these financial institutions are way over leveraged this is worldwide systemic malignants and everything that you do so i don't think that uh i don't think we're in a a bear market for precious metals or for crypto i think it's a short-term setback for all these things because there's simply not enough real assets to house all the fake assets and especially if the average person started trying to uh to buy right now i mean if it flooded the

market it's the market, the precious metals industry especially, the supply shock would be enormous. Well, tell us what's going on at Wise Wolf. What are you looking at and how are the suppliers looking for things? You haven't had any problem getting stuff, have you? I know you've got to work really hard at doing it,

but that was always a thing that you were worried about as we're seeing new all-time highs and everything. I mean, with all the new things that are happening, you know, how are things working out there at Wise Wolf? And tell us some of the programs that you've got going. Well, yeah, we've had a hard time getting certain things. And that's, you know, when I talk about smaller units or fractional things that everyday people will buy, those are harder to get.

But the big things that, you know, the 100-ounce bars and the kilos and all that stuff for silver, those are easy. I mean, and those are just flooded the market right now. And that's what's, you know, another interesting aspect to all this is that we've bought just so much over the past 120 days that things I couldn't really sell back through the system, so they had to go back to the wholesaler. But the prices continue to rise. to go back to the wholesaler. But the prices kept continuing to rise.

And I thought that was an interesting. So I started, I called some other people in the business and asked them if they're seeing the same thing. And this is, so it's institutions right now are driving the price. And that's private corporations and central banks are buying precious metals. And, you know, you look at the story,

the Russians added silver as a strategic reserve asset about four or five months ago. That was a blurb that not a lot of the, I didn't see this on mainstream. It was acknowledged on, you know, through the press, but it didn't get picked up in financial news. I thought that was huge. And of course it was. So, you know, the governments are starting to pick up, you know, the precious metals more and more and putting on their balance sheets. Corporations, I think it was JP Morgan just did a $4 billion deal just on physical gold. That was one transaction. I don't know if it was one person or several customers, but they just did $4 billion. So much is moving to the West. All this is just really crazy right now. So there is an institutional demand. People are selling

because I think the economy is not great for the average. I mean, just trying to keep up with inflation. That's not gone away. So I think this is where we are. We're going to see rising prices, even in the metals markets, even as people are selling selling but we've done a good i have a great team and we have the two physical locations so we're able to pick up a lot of extra stuff that goes into the wolfpack program to keep that stocked um but yeah it's it's getting harder and harder to find you know the smaller things that's why we also did a constitutional wolf uh over on wolfpack and you can get a subscription or one time for 250 or 500 at a time of uh u.s coinage pre-1965 silver and it's kind of like a surprise mystery bag we just uh take the amount of dollars like if whatever credit you have and we just fill it with half dollars, dimes, or quarters, and maybe even silver dollars, depending on how many I have in stock.

But that's one of the things I've concentrated on is making sure that we have the fractional stuff. That's great. Well, it's always interesting to talk to you, and we are living in very interesting times. It's going to be interesting. You know, we'll just have to wait and see what they're going to do with this Fort Knox stuff. And as you point out, we know that they're up to something. We're just trying to read what it is that they're up to. But things are going to be changing very quickly.

And so that's one of the things I like about the metals is that it gives us a little bit of stability. There's so much volatility in it. Jason Barker said, I think metal's the only way to hedge against inflation. The markets are designed now to take from the masses and to shift to the few. I agree.

That's the plan. These are the elitists, and they're sharks out there. And just like we saw in 2008, 2009, these people are rigging the books. They're doing anything. It's just nothing but outright fraud and theft through so many things. So that's why I like having something that is physical and honest and has been around throughout all of mankind's history. And that's the metals.

So that's what I'm with. No counterparty risk. You hold that in your hand. If you've got crypto, you hold your keys. But Bitcoin, you can't do what gold and silver do i'm a big fan of bitcoin but it can't exist in this dimension you can't hold it in your hand i can't and silver and gold have other properties that are outside just being a monetary metal so they'll always have value and that's just that's just where we are david uh this there's where the

the powers that be are accumulating and they're not buying FANG stocks. Okay, folks. They're telling you, and they'll tell you everything's fine right up to the last minute. Okay. Unless they want to change the market and actually start talking, you know, and giving you real info. It's all about manipulating the market at the end of the day and for their advantage. So just watch what they do, not what they say. That's all about manipulating the market at the end of the day and for their advantage. So

just watch what they do, not what they say. That's right. Always keep an eye open. I'm about to- Just like the politicians. Oh, absolutely. And it's sad what's happening to us in the partisan realm. I'm trying to, look, I'm like you, if I see something I like, thumbs up. You want to audit a government agency, I'm all in for it. But I'm always skeptical of where that power goes and what next. I'm not on any particular team. I'm just for liberty and personal sovereignty. Are they going to minimize government and maximize governance? And I think that's really kind of where they're headed.

Now, you've got a program coming up right after this one today. Oh, yes, sir. I was going to mention today's my 500th episode of the Arterburn Radio Transmission. I've been doing this since 2018. It's a time I had, you know, a daily show, but I've whittled it down to one day a week. But so it's going to take me a while to get to, you know, to double this or do another 500. But we're at episode 500 today. So come over and join us and

well congratulations that's great that's great uh so right after this show people can find you on rockfin and on twitter and rockfin and twitter at tony arterburn you can on rockfin any the america unplugged channel rockfin and rumble you can find us there we'll be live tony thank you so much for coming on and thank you for your support we always appreciate what you do with this program always been around i've been talking to tony as he said his 500th show and uh going back to 2018 i don't know maybe that's about the time we started talking when i was still at info wars so um thank you it's always been great talking to you and appreciate what you do it is very novel and it's always been a pleasure to deal with tony and we have dealt with him personally so thank you so much tony thank you david