The David Knight Show - INTERVIEW G Edward Griffin

Episode Date: October 30, 2024

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And he said, blow me down. The dog got well real fast. I couldn't believe it. I'd never seen that happen before. And then the next part of the story is that he said his nurse came to him, his head nurse, whose husband had terminal cancer. And she said, Dr. John, you know, my husband is not going to last very much longer. And I saw what happened to the dog. Would you please do that for my husband?

And he said, well, sure, I'd be glad to, but don't tell anybody because it's not approved, you know, for human use. And he tried it on her husband, and he got well. This is how it all started. And so John said, I started using it very, very cautiously and very low dosages and very suspiciously, making sure that I was not risking anybody's life, using it only on people who really had terminal cancer. Joining us now is G. Edward Griffin, a real giant in the liberty movement.

He's done so many monumental works. Of course, everybody knows Creature from Jekyll Island, but we wanted to also talk to him today about his book, A World Without Cancer, because I think that's a message that people are ready to hear after what we've been through for the last four years. But we've now seen, I think, really a convergence in medical, financial, and political, because it's all being swallowed up by the political stuff. But great to have Gio Rue Griffin on. Thank you so much for joining us, sir. Well, it's my pleasure. Thanks for inviting me. And I want to talk also about the Red Pill Expo that's going to be coming up in just a couple of weeks as well. So I'll give you a chance to talk about that and what's happening with that.

But your work is very well known by a lot of people and we're going to try to get into maybe, you know, the medical aspect of this is maybe not as well known as the Federal Reserve, but we do want to talk about the financial stuff. That's very important right now. But I think it'd be good for us to talk about your biography. How did you get into doing documentaries and books and especially in terms of going against the grain of conventional wisdom? Tell us a little bit about your background well it's a it's a long background of course considering my age

and it's probably not very interesting uh it's rather boring actually uh yeah you're correct uh we've covered some ground and made some amazing touch points along the way. But I think it's only because we've been at it for so long. My life has been pretty much normal in the sense, by normal, I'm almost afraid or embarrassed to say normal. Because unfortunately, what is normal out there in the world today is not particularly attractive. An abnormal world, a normal person in an abnormal world. Yeah, well, I mean, it's not unusual, I guess I should say, in that I would start out in one direction and be confronted by some impossible barrier or setback or tragedy, and it would be life-changing for me and very uncomfortable, very painful, very frightening.

But in retrospect, as the time goes by, I find out that that was the best thing that ever happened to me because it forced me to do a right turn or change my direction substantially and even though it was painful and i had to abandon my original plans and expectations um i found out that it was a better direction than the one i was on originally and this my life is full of that and some of those tragedies along the way were very serious illnesses too. I was still very young. I was in my early 30s and I had a wife and a couple of kids to support

and I had a collapse and I had two doctors tell me I had multiple sclerosis. I didn't really know for sure what that was. I knew it was bad. But when I looked it up in the encyclopedia, I decided, oh, man, this is a bad way to go out the door. And I thought I was dying, of course. But it was a misdiagnosis.

I had exhausted myself. I had a rather, I thought I was carrying the world on my shoulders. I thought I had to save the world all by myself. I thought I was carrying the world on my shoulders. I thought I had to save the world all by myself. And so I was not getting a lot of sleep. I was a young guy, of course. I was doing a lot of traveling, making presentations, training sessions, all that kind of thing. So I would go from one town to the next and drive a good portion of the day to get there get there and be taken out to dinner and then put on an evening presentation and then meet at somebody's house afterwards and and what kind of presentations were you doing was this uh political well these were these were recruiting these were recruiting uh meetings i was at that time i was a coordinator for the john

birch society i know that scares a lot of people. They think that's a wacko organization. No, not me. Well, good. Anyway, to me, they're very calm and very not wacko at all. Of course, they have some wackos in there, but the percentage of wackos in the Birch Society, I thought, was smaller than the percentage outside of the birth society.

That's right. They're going to be everywhere. Yeah, that was the safest place to be. But anyway, that's what I was doing. And so I was drinking. You know, everybody would want to buy me some wine, and we'd drink wine and talk about life and the world events and so forth. And then I'd get to bed late at night or early in the morning,

get up in the morning and drive and do that over and over again. I came back and I was planting some trees in my front yard and I just froze up. I became paralyzed. And to make a long story short, I had just exhausted my physical strength, malnutrition, toxic elements in my body, not enough sleep, and a bad mental attitude, always filled with anxiety and all the bad things. And I hadn't realized, I didn't think I had to worry about that because I was young, right? Young people don't get sick. So anyway, they diagnosed it as multiple sclerosis it turned out not to be that once i got off of my routine and started to find out what this world was all about in terms of nutrition and rest and

avoiding toxic things in your body and in your environment and so forth. I recovered rather rapidly. So in retrospect, it was very good because I learned how to live. And I probably wouldn't be alive today if I hadn't learned that lesson early in my life. At the same time, I was really pretty well stuck in bed. And I didn't know I could write I I had gone to school I had learned I had learned about Communications I would uh stage plays I was an actor a little child actor you can imagine anything worse than that I did a lot of radio today I could imagine

it being a lot worse today it's uh well I don't know it was pretty bad that i was right in the middle of that and you know i was in detroit and uh we did radio in those days and you know a lot of shows came out of detroit the ford theater and uh and uh the hermit's cave and and we had a saturday show was that the same as let's pretend and we covered anyway i did a lot of radio stuff so and i and i went to school and took more of the same television was just coming on line in those days. So I was taking courses in, in television and radio communications. Let me ask you a question real quick. I got your radio.

I guess that was live radio performance. It was like, oh yeah, that's, that's really interesting stuff. I love listening to the live things like that. Yeah, it was. I worked my way through college as a radio announcer for W U O M. That's really interesting stuff. I love listening to the live things like that. Yeah, it was. I worked my way through college as a radio announcer for WUOM, which was the university radio station at the University of Michigan. And, you know, and all of that.

So I was into that. So when I got sick, I thought, well, I'm not going to be able to make a living. I couldn't get out of bed for the most part. I had to practically crawl from one room to the other. And so I got this call from a publisher, and he said, Ed, I understand you've been giving speeches on the United Nations, and they're very well received. Would you like to write a book for us on that topic? We want to publish a book, and we think you could do it.

And, of course, at that that time i had never written anything and that was not my i did not identify as an author identified as a as a communicator on television or radio or something like that and my dream was to go to holly become a great Hollywood producer in motion pictures. So when this guy called me and said, how would you like to write a book? That was the last thing I felt I was capable or interested in doing. But I thought instantly about how he's offering me some money. And here I am in bed. I can't do anything else to support my family.

And we're running out of money. And so I found myself saying, oh, problem yeah sure i could do that i'm in that kind of situation as well you know god puts us in a position where you got one way out and that's it something that you would have chosen to do yeah yeah so i just use that as an example so So I took on the commitment and I started to do my hard research. I had done a lot of it already, but I knew that in a book, you had to document everything. It wasn't just you could say, well, I know this and I know that. So I did research that lasted about probably two or three months

of putting all the documents together. And then the day came when it was time to write and it was kind of like looking at an old movie where you've everybody's seen those scenes where the author has to write something and he's on a typewriter and he types a few lines and he pulls the paper out crushes it and throws it on the floor and if that's no good and then this is no good i went through that in spades all work and no play makes jack a dull boy right like the shiny to write something because i was using a pencil we didn't have computers in those days and i couldn't type so i was writing things out and i'd tear it up and throw it out just i

couldn't how come i can't write i can't write give me a microphone so then i'm there's a point an end to this um so finally i said i'm just going to write mary had a point, an end to this. So finally I said, I'm just going to write, Mary Had a Little Lamb. I started to write things out. And the first thing, you know, I had this idea, I can't write this because how do you approach a topic so huge? This is my book on the United Nations.

My first book is called The Fearful fearful master a second look at the united nations so i wrote down how can you write about something like this it's like a huge globe made of glass so large that you couldn't grasp it in its entirety and you couldn't hold it how do you write a book it's like having to move a mountain how do you you move a mountain? And then I found myself writing, well, you dig. And then this is my first spade. And I looked at it, I said, well, that's kind of clever. And the first thing I know, I extended that. And the next few pages came pretty fast. And by the time I got to page seven, it was roaring along um i found out i wound up i looked in the in the wall at the wall i said my gosh i can write and i'm having fun doing it

so i use that as an example i wouldn't be here talking to you today if i hadn't had this illness and that event that forced me forced me to make a right turn in my, where I thought was my career path. And at that time, I didn't think I was going to live anyway. But so it forced me to make a change that affected my whole life, I hope for the better. That's a great story. We've had so many people, when they lost, they were faced with a decision, take the shot or lose your job. And I've talked to so many people who had that crisis is like what do i do i've trained all my life for this i don't have any other alternative but i'm

not going to take that shot and to a man that has been a woman that has been every person i've talked to about that it's been a wonderful turning point for them and so i think your life lesson as well as a lot of other people that's a real important life lesson i think well it is and that's why i said it's in a way i'm very normal because what i just said although it's dramatic for me it was dramatic everybody goes through those crises i think maybe they don't uh they don't think about it as uh having made a big change and i suppose not every every change in the direction is that dramatic but most of them or many of them are, the important ones are. So with that as a background, I started off in one direction. All of a sudden I'm writing and I decided I wanted to go off on my own. I decided I wanted to

reach out to a lot of people and I wanted to use my skills that I had acquired in communications so I decided to produce some very low budget documentary films on important issues and the first attempt was to write something on a documentary

film on money and inflation and then of course that led me obliquely to the topic of the federal reserve system and i'm off and running now and i had no idea how much voltage was in the wire that i was about to grab hold of on that one yeah if i had if i had even an inkling of how deep that topic goes and how how broad it is how many things it covers and how profound profoundly important it is to our our lives and our liberty our lifestyle everything i would never have tackled it because it was far beyond my my reach um i'm the last person in the world

to write about things like that i'm a kid that was a child actor you know and well that that makes a question how did you you're working with the uh before you started writing um and before you wrote that book on the u.n you were also lecturing about un and other things like that how did you get into working for the john birch Society or how did you begin to be skeptical about what the UN's purposes and agenda were well that's another story is similar to the one I just mentioned I was working for a large corporation I was in the corporate world. I had found out the hard way that Hollywood wasn't waiting for me to show up. I had gone there and I wanted to make my splash. I wanted to get a job with some production company and I was looking for the grand opening

and it wasn't happening. I looked around realistically and I saw that all these young people there, the guys and gals had talent superior to mine, really. And they were busing tables and washing cars, waiting for the big chance in Hollywood. And then I began to get a sense of the corruption that is in Hollywood, and the lifestyle, and all of the evil things that were there that I didn't like at all. And it became clear that if you didn't tolerate those things or if you didn't participate in those things,

your chances of getting that big break were pretty small. So I quit all that, and I went to work for a large insurance company, and I got a job in an underwriting department preparing group insurance plans for corporations and that kind of thing. So that's what I was doing when I decided to start speaking out on topics. And the reason I made that change is that I don't know who it was, but somebody handed me or sent me a little blue pamphlet called The Truth About the United Nations.

I think that was the title. I thought the United Nations. Well, I'd gone to school. I've been to the university. I knew all about the United Nations. It was wonderful. It was our last best hope for peace, they told me. And I thought it was true and so i was very much in favor of the un

and as a means of avoiding war and about what year was that that was uh 1960 okay mm-hmm maybe 1959 probably that that pamphlet was in 1959 um anyway so i read the pamphlet was in 1959. Anyway, so I read the pamphlet and I was incensed by it. I thought, well, this is ridiculous. I know better. But the things it said were hard for me to believe that these people were lying. I mean, that's how naive, you know, you come out of school, how naive can you be to think that your teachers would be lying or the people who would write books might even be lying it's hard for us to believe that about other people we want to believe the best of them and and we want to think that they're like us

you know and so we always overestimate their morals and we underestimate their technology don't we we certainly do yeah and of course we're trained to do that i went to the public school system and that was i found out later one of its primary objectives is to create that. I went to the public school system and I found out later one of its primary objectives is to create that attitude in the minds of the students. So they had succeeded and I found it, I was very highly indignant over this pamphlet written by a college professor no less. You'd expect he would know better, right? Anyway, one day I went down to the library in downtown Los Angeles. It was only a few blocks from where our corporate office was, and I had some time in my hands that day, so I decided to just drop into the library.

I never thought I'd go into a library again after I got out of school, because I thought that was where you punish people for doing bad things. But anyway, I went into the international department i wanted to check out a few books on the topic of the united nations and in particular these these wars these peacekeeping operations as they called them and to see if i could learn more about it and prove that this college professor had it you know was wrong so I checked out a few books. And even though they were all written from the friendly perspective, they were all friends of the UN. Many of them were either employees or former employees, or they had positions, professional positions,

which depended on their being friendly. Some of them were academics, and academics, I discovered, would never dare go against the UN. Anyway, so I read those books, and I recognized that they were biased. And so that was the beginning of it, reading their own works. And some of them were quite frank, by the way. I learned about the war in Katanga,

with Patrice Lumumba, about the war in Katanga with Patrice Lumumba. The war on Katanga in Africa was really an eye-opener for me. In fact, that's how I opened my book on the United Nations, was with that section on what happened in Katanga. Basically, what happened is that there was a communist revolution in the Congo, the Katanga province of the Congo, and the so-called colonial powers just left. There was betrayal, I think, at the highest levels in the government. I think it was Belgium, and they just withdrew their troops and all their law enforcement facilities and just gave the Congo over to the communist revolutionaries. And that was hard to believe, but there was an evidence. And so when the troops went out, there was mass slaughter going on.

It looked like it might be racial, but it was not. It was economic. It was getting the colonialists out, that was the word they used, the capitalists, get the capitalists out and get the socialists in power again. So Congo went into total chaos, blood all over the place and production stopped. The economy crashed. People were starving. People were robbing each other. It was total chaos. I fear we're in America going to get somewhat like, see some of that ourselves when we make that step

toward total collectivism or socialism. Anyway, that's what happened. And so the UN came along and said, well, look at this chaos. We've got to put an end to that. And everybody said, yes, yes, that's what you're for. And you're the peacekeepers, right? Yes.

Okay, well, the peacekeepers went in and there were multiple provinces in the congo and they were all in total blood-drenched chaos except one the one shining exception was katanga was headed by moi cham. And Moishan Bay had been to some universities in London and had come to America, and he understood the principles of free enterprise capitalism. And he was standing firm, and his province was like it had always been. And chaos was all around them.

So where did the UN send the peacekeepers? There. There. It didn't send them anyplace else where the chaos was all around them. So where did the UN send the peacekeepers? There. There. It didn't send them anyplace else where the chaos was. They sent them where the chaos was not. And they literally overthrew the Katanga province and put it into chaos also. And when I saw that documented so clearly,

and in many cases by the employees and officers of the UN itself, where they bragged about doing that in their own words. And when I saw that, that changed my life because it was a red pill, you might say, that I saw life the way it really was. And in one book by the, I think it was an Irish general from Ireland, I can't think of his name anyway,

a big thick book on how wonderful he was in the Congo doing all these things on behalf of international cooperation and peace and so forth. And he time and again said, well, you know, when this issue came up, we lied in the press conferences, as all bureaucrats do. And he was sort of like, well, that's the way it is, folks. I'm glad you're reading my book. Now you know how it works. So Connor O'Brien, that was his name, General O'Brien. And I realized

that these people actually boast about some of the crimes they commit. And that was my changing point right there. And so my first interest was the United Nations, and I did some research on it. I took that pamphlet that I talked about a moment ago and then my own independent research and added to it, and that's what became the basis for my book for the fearful master that's great yeah wonderful title as well you talk about I come from that come from a quotation attributed to George Washington I could never find an official

source for it but everybody seemed to agree that it came from him and he said government is not let's see if i get this straight government is not wisdom it is not benevolence it is force like fire it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master that's great yeah whoever wrote that uh if they had it yeah they nailed it so it's absolutely true now you were with the john birch society you were talking about how they like to paint portray uh birchers as um crazy and i guess a big part of that i think a big part of that war against the john birch society was coming from william f buckley talk a little bit about that all right was he the the point man publicly or was there you know other

things that were happening no i don't think buckley was a point man at all that's an interesting observation uh buckley did uh did come out publicly against the birch society and the the militant left left-wingers uh attacked the British society vehemently. They called us fascists, Nazis, extremists, anti-Semites, wackos, any of those things. And they just kept repeating it and repeating it. And a lot of people believed it because they read about it in their newspaper.

And of course, it was none of those things, but that didn't make any difference. Perception is the important thing. But Buckley was not from the radical left. There were a few people like Buckley that also jumped on the bandwagon from what people considered to be the right wing. Of course, we could talk about the impropriety of thinking there's a difference between right and left later, but I learned that the hard way too that the right wing and the left wing are merely two two wings on the same ugly

bird called collectivism that's right anyway that was i hadn't learned that yet so anyway um buckley was one of those guys who uh was a you know was associated with the so-called right wing, but they believed pretty much the same thing, and they would attack any serious challenge to collectivism, which is what they believed in. Yeah, he's a big establishment. I remember I was thinking that I was trying to get polar opposites, so I'd read National Review, and I'd read The Nation when I was in college.

I'd read these and kind of try to figure out what was going on. I didn't want to read in time in newsweek. So I wanted to get these opposing views and everything. But then I eventually found out they were also very much alike in many ways. I thought it was getting extreme, but I wasn't, you know, so. Yeah. What's the, what's the supposing business business? Yeah.

People, people have to learn that lesson yet. They still think, especially as we are living right now through a period of great political intensity, they really think that the political parties are going to be their salvation. It's just a question, who are you going to vote for? And it is the most important election of our lifetime. You've had a lot of those most important elections of your lifetime, haven't you? You've probably heard that more than I have. Every one of them is the most important last chance to do it right. It's going to be the end of

the world if we don't get this right, yeah. Yeah. We've heard that so many times. Well, so you start out with the UN, and you're working with JBS, and how did you get over to the Federal Reserve? How did you move over to that? I decided i had to produce some little documentaries or documentary films as we call them today but back in those days uh unless you had big bucks which we didn't you used film strips film strip projectors and it was a projector where you roll a little roll of a 35 millimeter film with just still pictures on them one you know i think we had 98 pictures or so and you click them one at a time and it projects up on the screen you play the soundtrack on a like an lp recording on a phonograph machine and when it's time to change the picture there's a beep that

comes under the sound the operator turns the picture and the narration continues. It's like a PowerPoint presentation with the beeps. So that's what we did in those days. I don't know, nine or ten of them. And I decided I wanted to do one on inflation and the money supply. I didn't know much about it, but I knew that there was something fishy going on because everybody was accusing the other guy of being responsible for inflation. Everybody accused the farmers. They were getting too much for their food.

And the farmer said, no, we're starving. We have to eat our own food to just stay alive. We don't make any money. It's the distributors that take all the money. And the distributors are not us. It's the truckers. And the truckers, oh, no, it's not us. It's the grocery stores and the groceries. money and it's not us it's the truckers and the truckers oh no it's not us it's the it's the grocery stores and the groceries oh it's not us it's the labor unions

and so forth and they're all you know everybody's pointing to somebody else as the cause and they were all correct in a sense that it was not them but they didn't know who it was and there's that hidden hidden element that nobody had looked at. And so I was curious about that. So I started to do research on inflation. And of course, that leads directly to the engine of inflation. And that's the Federal Reserve System, because that's the power that creates money out of debt. And they can just create as much money as people are willing to borrow into

existence and it's not their money. They just create it out of nothing or worse than nothing out of debt. So the money supply expands much faster than goods and services expand and therefore the relative prices for those goods and services in terms of the expanded source of the money goes up it's just a very simple formula a high school kid that knows anything about math can figure it out but the american people still don't understand it pretty much uh because it's it's deliberately compounded and made to look very complicated and it's not so i got into that and i created a couple of banker boxes full of research on it and i was ready to go and then i realized this is this topic is getting

too big for me and meanwhile i had to get on and produce some faster uh film strips because i have to put groceries on the table right so i put the bankers' boxes in my closet for now. And then one day I got a call from a little old lady in tennis shoes from Pasadena. You've heard about those ladies. This was a real one. And she was a widow. And she obviously had some money because she lived in a big house in Pasadena. And her husband had passed away, of course, and had this car in the garage.

It was probably about 12, 15 years old, but I think it had like 800 miles on it. Well, that's a little side story, but she was a wonderful lady. And she had a monthly class that she was or meeting in her home on taxes and she'd heard that i was giving speeches and showing film strips and so forth so she called me and asked me if i would give a speech to her group on the weekend on taxes. And I said, well, I don't know much about taxes, except that they're too high, and I'm a guinea. What else can you say? The taxes are...

But I might be able to talk to your group about a hidden tax. Would that be of interest to you? And she said, a hidden tax? What is that? And in my supreme wisdom, I said, well, I guess you're just going to have to retain my services so I can tell you what it was. And she laughed. She said, you got me.

She said, let's do it. So all right, I committed to do a presentation on the Federal Reserve as the hidden tax. And that forced me to open up my banker boxes and go through this stuff again and the second time through i was amazed at what i picked up that i didn't catch the first time through and i became electrified by how really important this was how many areas in our lives it reached that I hadn't really focused on. So I got excited about it. And I spent some time putting together an outline. I gave the presentation and it was very well received. I was happy to see.

And some people approached me afterwards there and they said, Ed, that was good. You ought to put that on the road. Well, you don't do that to a child actor. You say, oh, I'll put it on the road, which I did. I got it all well organized and I called it the crash course on money. It was a one day seminar. I thought, I could probably sell tickets to this if I was smart enough. And so I tried that and by golly it worked and i was selling tickets and travel i put it on the road i was going from town to town to town um this time i'm not doing what i did in the old days i was taking care of myself and so we did this crash

course on money and then i'm i'm i'm probably giving you more information than you want but this is what happened at the end of i think it was probably about the ninth or tenth uh seminar at the end of the meeting i was approached by another little old lady and she said mr griffin and that was always a shock to me because here she's an elderly lady and I'm still in my 20s late 20s or early 30s and in my 30s I guess she's calling me Mr. Griffin I've always got a kick out of that she said after what I've learned from you today she said I'm really concerned about what I should do with what limited resources I have. My husband passed away, and he left a small stipend in insurance, and we can get along.

We have a small investment in a small apartment building, or two apartments, I think she said. But we're in debt. Should I get out of debt? Should I take what we have in assets and put it in gold and silver? Or what should I do with my assets? And it hit me at that moment what a fraud I was because I did not know the answer to that question. I knew what the Federal Reserve was doing.

I knew how they created money out of debt. I knew the impact it had on the purchasing power of money. I knew all those things, a lot of them, not all, but I was still learning still in those days. But to answer the question of what she should do to avoid the consequences of that, I had no idea. I was a fraud, and she was expecting me to know. So I stopped doing the webinar, the st the seminars i should say and i enrolled in the college for financial planning which was a

course done by a chicago outfit as an educational group it was like a cfp designation and it normally takes a couple years to get it and. So I enrolled in it. It was all by correspondence. And then you have to go to a physical location and take the exam. That's an all-day exam and so forth. So I did that. And I got my CFP designation as a financial advisor. Not because I wanted to do that. I just wanted to know how to answer this woman's question. How do you protect your assets and under these conditions so that's what i did and then i came out of that with another realization which i never would have had had i not been taking that course and that is that these people were teaching bunk. I was learning bunk.

Now, they were teaching how to invest in markets that is in the best interest of the financial planners, not in the best interest of the investors. And that was really what it was all about. And, of course, they always said it was for the group for the best investment for the i'll get this straight yet it's always best for the investor himself but it was always an investment that paid a commission to the person that recommended it or something and none of it really took into account that the value of the money was constantly being depreciated they didn't really understand inflation or they said well this has a better interest rate and therefore better for

to fight inflation but they never talked about inflation itself and what the long-term consequences might be over 20 or 30 years for you who would do everything they recommend but still in 20 or 30 years you have zero because the dollar is zero you know and things like that so that's when i decided hey somebody ought to write a book on this and i looked around and there were books on the topic but they were all kind of written from the point of view of somebody who wanted to go into banking if they wanted to be a banker the book was there on the federal reserve how to how to use the federal reserve what it's how it works and the terminology and it was all good but it it didn't uh the books didn't help the average person at all understand the, uh, the fraud that was built into the banking system. And not even the bankers. I had a friend of ours and I would make a remark

from time to time about the federal reserve. And, and we got together and he had his brother who was a branch manager at a bank. And he says, uh, whatever his name was, I don't know, it was Fred or something. I met him once and that was it. Uh, but he said, said, Fred, you know, Dave's got a lot of issues with Federal Reserve. He said, tell him about the Federal Reserve. He goes, they just cash checks. They just process checks. That's your understanding of this. So, yeah, that was one of the most clueless people I've ever seen in terms of finance.

I mean, he wasn't even aware of the impact of, you know uh setting interest rates even for example you know no none of it well you see you don't have to understand that to make a killing in the banking that's right all you have to do is just know how to cash checks and move the money around that's right and collect interest that's right yeah that's absolutely so that's how it all started. And so, as I said earlier, it's kind of a boring story, actually, because it's the same thing over and over again, that you'd stumble into things that you had no idea where you're headed. And if I had had any sense, literally any common sense, knowing what I know now, I would never have tackled it

because it was so much over my understanding, over my head. I didn't know any of this. Well, it's a good thing I didn't know because I've talked to bankers since then, and especially when we get into the topic of cancer and things like that. I have no medical background yet. I'm writing a book on cancer therapy and so forth and i've had people tell me like doctors in particular say ed you had an advantage that we didn't have what what do you mean an advantage how could that be you went to school that's the advantage we had we had to unlearn well all you had to do was learn we had to unlearn first oh yeah because when you go through the institutions and they teach you these things you unlearn. Well, all you had to do was learn. We had to unlearn first.

Oh yeah. Cause when you go through the institutions and they teach you these things, you, you believe you become a true believer. Oh yeah. These people. Before we leave the financial stuff. I mean, you know, we've got a lot of people looking at what is happening now. It looks like, you know, they've been kicking this can down the road for a long time. It looks like we're getting towards the end of the rope. They've openly talked about how they want to re-engineer the entire financial system.

CBDC is on the horizon and all the rest of this stuff. Um, you know, what in general, uh, is your advice to people? I know you're not a financial advisor, financial advice, but just in general, in terms of preparing for what is coming? What would you say to people? I guess it depends on to whom I'm talking because for many people, if you tell them really what's happening, it's so beyond their world of understanding that they cannot believe it.

Or if they believe it they don't understand it and so you're wasting your time you have to get dependent who you're talking to but um i guess my the simplest way to explain it is to be totally honest but to not be dramatic about it so let's see if I can put that together. That's some pretty dramatic stuff, queued up in the thing, isn't it? Yeah, without being too dramatic. What is happening, in my view, David, is that the old system of money is coming to an end.

And that's an important fact to know, because up until now, all you had to know is, well, what has always worked? Like, should we invest in gold or silver or something, in coins? And there could be arguments pro and con, but the most overriding argument was it's always worked, no matter when you look in history, no matter what what the problem was those that had gold and silver always came out on top so it's always worked that way is a really powerful item but now it isn't in my view because the system itself is changing where to the point where money will no longer even exist in the way that we think of it. Money, the essence of money,

in order for it to have any use to us, is that we have to own it. It's got to be our money. It's not somebody else's money. Because if it's somebody else's money, they can just take it back. And we don't have it. And this is what's changing is the fact that, and most people don't see this at all. And they think, well, no matter what they come up with, it would be just like

it always has been. No, no, because there's CBCDs, the central bank digital currencies that all other nations now are committed to adopting in the very near future, in the next decade for sure, and possibly starting in the next year or two, that quality of private ownership is gone. Those tokens or whatever they call them, the digital currencies, they'll have different names, whatever the name is, they will be owned by the banks and they'll be allocated to you and me and everybody else to use as long as we have a good social credit, which means as long as we behave according to what they think we should.

You and I are going to be pretty poor, aren't we? We're going to be out on the street sitting on a curb with a tin cup asking somebody to put a coin in the tin cup, but there'll be no coins. There are no coins anymore. They're just digital impulses in a computer. So forget the cup. And people can't understand that we're actually approaching a change in the entire system. So the rules of what you do are different now. I would say normally without this upcoming CBCDs that we should have a nice

stockpile in gold and silver. And I still say that, by the way, and I have not as nice a stockpile as I would like, but I have some shekels put away in gold and silver and in food and other physical tangibles, other assets that people will need. And you can use this barter, but in terms of how you come out of it, okay. And still maintain your lifestyle. It's a different game. And the chances are we're not going to come out of it at anywhere close to how we went into it. And we have to be prepared for that reality. Nobody wants to hear that.

Yes. And I think what we're going to get is a heavy dose of reality. You know, it's going to be skills and it's going to be commodities and things like that that are going to be negotiable. And, um, you know, it's going to be a, really it is going to be a reset. And then the question is, how do we, how do we cope with that? think um you know in terms of people talking about a parallel society uh americans have not really had any experience like people in third world countries have in terms of operating black markets and things like that

but i guess we'll learn pretty quickly yeah necessity yes well even the black market has a problem with it because in order for a black market to work, you have to have money that you own. You still have, you go into the black market and you have money that you can give to somebody who's going to give you something. Or you can, barter is the only thing left. And that only works in your local community among people you know and trust. So it's, it doesn't allow you to put gas in your car. It doesn't allow you to pay your rent or to buy clothes in the big store,

the big box stores or anything like that. If we don't turn this around and prevent it, we're going to be very much like little children who are completely dependent on the state for everything. And that includes food, shelter, healthcare, clothing,

everything. And, uh, under those conditions, most people will buckle and they'll be like, like slaves in Egypt. That's right. The thing that concerns me is that this is all based on surveillance.

That is their overriding desire to know everything about us. And what concerns me about it is how apathetic so many people in our society are about privacy and about surveillance and about free speech. And you've got know across the political spectrum all these people that are so eager about the uh the election and you see both of these candidates talking about how they're going to shut people down that disagree with them but and and because of that people downstream from them are also buying into this kind of censorship stuff and i think if we could develop and and get back a respect for free speech and for

privacy and things like that that really has to be fundamental uh for as as a guard against some of this stuff because that really is the essence of how their controls are going to run out against us what do you think well you're absolutely correct and in other words we have to be dealing with ideas and ideas that that's the basis of our war. This is a war of ideas. I mean, yes, they have these powerful weapons that frighten us and can be used to eliminate us. And that's the ultimate weapon, of course. But in the meantime, they're conquering us not with weapons.

They're conquering us with fear of weapons. That's right. And that fear of weapons makes us very compliant. And of course, if they didn't have the weapons, we wouldn't be afraid of them. That is true. But they could pretend like they have the weapons, and that's often what

has happened in the past, as you probably know. In Russia, particularly in the Soviet Union, they would parade these huge missiles in the street on trucks. You know, they would parade these huge missiles in the street on trucks. They were like 80 feet long and these huge missiles like we send to the moon, or supposedly send to the moon. I don't know what to think about that one.

But those weren't really missiles at all, I'm told, that they were just made of wood and painted up and so forth. But Americans, oh, look, they got missiles too. And it was the fear of missiles, not the missiles themselves, that caused us to not confront the Soviet Union and try and make friends with them and abandon our own interests and so forth. It's kind of a Pimkin parade, right?

Yeah, yeah, exactly. So anyway, this is new, and I guess that's my message, that the old answers to that question are not reliable anymore. That's right. But that still doesn't mean you shouldn't give them up. I mean, you shouldn't use them, I should say, because I think that even though we don't have money because we're not obedient enough and they cut us down

and we did have coins, we could probably find somebody who would take silver coins if they're a small denomination and gold coins in return for food or something that they have a little surplus on in their homes. But this is not living. This is not surviving. This is slavery.

And I think, though, if we fall back on the fact that what's going to get us through this, one way or the other, is going to be the ideas. It's going to be the principles on which we base our life. I think people who have a relationship with Christ are going to have a foundation that's going to carry them through this stuff. And it's going to be very difficult if you don't have something like that. You are going to, if you don't have any, the sand is going to be shifting. The earth is going to be quaking.

And if there isn't some foundation that is rock solid in your life, and if they've got you afraid, they've got you. And that's what we saw four years ago. That was really panic and fear. But that brings me to the medical stuff, because I don't want to finish the interview without having you talk about the book World Without Cancer. I think this is really a time for people's eyes to be open to this, because prior to what happened in 2020, a lot of people were taken in by the white coats i remember when they first started

this thing you had a public health person come out i played that clip over and over again comes out to the podium but before the person who's going to speak comes out of the podium they had uh six people come out three on each side all them in white coats and they march out in a line and three of them stand on one side of the podium and three of them said look at this they're just putting this in your face like we got white lab coats we're medical and we have authority so listen to us and i think people have seen that now as a fraud and they have seen the self-interest and all this stuff so they're open to questioning uh the the authorities on this and i'm sure you know you you must have quite a story uh behind a world

without cancer because i know they came after laetrile and b17 amygdalin all that uh in a very very heavy way i didn't realize that you had written this book until i interviewed john richardson at rncstore.com and and um when he was talking about the books that they have there about your book especially uh i that's one of the main reasons i wanted to get you on because this is so key and it is a time that people are ripe to hear this message tell us a little bit about that how you got into it well there you go again how did i get into it well john richardson senior dr rich Richardson, and I were very close friends. In fact, we had both worked together on projects in the Burt Society. And he put up some money to open up a little bookstore in the San Francisco area.

And that's where I got involved because I was with the Burt Society in those days. But we soon developed a personal friendship that went well beyond that. And it got to the point where after a while we want to get away from the routine, the regular routine of our daily lives. And we'd like to get away from town, go out in the countryside and tell people we're going fishing or something like that. But we just go out and talk and do some hiking in the hills. And one day, we're out doing that. And Dr. John says to me, Ed, I need your help. I need you. He took his briefcase with him on that trip I thought was strange. He opened up his briefcase and pulled out some papers and fumbled through them. He said, I'm trying to write an article for the local newspaper or magazine, and I need your help writing.

Could you help me? I said, well, sure, of course. That's what I do. You're the doctor. If I get sick, you help me. I'm the writer. And if you're silly enough to ask me, I'll help you with the writing. And so he said, well, I asked him, I said, what is it? He said, well,

I'm in trouble with a local medical association. They're threatening to take away my license. I said, what did you do? You know, like the typical, what did you do wrong? Well, what I'm doing wrong is I'm saving lives. Oh, this was, this was. And now we've seen that story over and over again. People are ready to hear this and understand what's behind it. Yeah. I said, what do you mean?

So naturally he told me the story. He says, he said, I'm, I'm an eye, ear, nose and throat specialist, as you know, but I've been getting people with cancer. I know throughout their body is systemic and they want me to treat them because they hear that I've got something that works. And I said, well, do you? He says, yeah, I do. Well, tell me about it.

So that's how the whole thing started. He said, well, I found out there's a substance that's found in nature that I didn't believe in at first, but my office manager convinced me to look into it, so I did. This is a substance that occurs in nature, and if you eat it, it turns out to be a natural control or prevention, a natural resistance against cancer. I said, how can that be? He said, well, I'm not sure how it can be, but I know that it works. So he told me the story of this amygdalin, or laetrile is the more popular name for it, that's found in some 1,200 edible plants, actually. But anyway, it's primarily found for commercial purposes

in apricot seeds and peach seeds and any fruit in the rosacea family has this stuff called amygdalin in it. It's bitter to the taste, and that's why most people in the Western world or in affluent societies don't like to eat foods that have this substance in it because it's bitter. If you've ever bitten into an apple seed, you know what I'm talking about. That's the flavor.

And he said that stuff in low quantities is um it is a net it looks like it's a natural control for cancer and he told me the story all right this gets interesting in the details he had a dog that had cancer and he was about to put the dog down because you know he tried chemotherapy and everything else on the dog that the doctors do, and it wasn't working. In fact, the dog was getting sicker. And when he heard about this, he says, I decided to use this substance on the dog.

And he said, blow me down. The dog got well real fast. I couldn't believe it. I'd never seen that happen before. And then the next part of the story is that he said his nurse came to him, his head nurse whose husband was had terminal cancer and she said dr john you know my husband is not going to last very much longer and i saw what happened to the dog would you please do that for my husband

oh yeah and he said well sure i'd be glad to but don't tell anybody because it's not approved you know and for human use and he tried it on her husband and he got well this is how it all started and so john said i started using it very very cautiously and very low dosages and very suspiciously making sure that i was not risking anybody's life using it only on people who really had terminal cancer to start off with and he said i was getting way way better results than anybody i know and but the word got out he said i never advertised it never talked much about it because i knew what what the would say about it. It was quackery or something like that. But the word got out because these patients that are dancing out of the office when they came in on a gurney, they talk about it.

And so patients started coming to his clinic. And it was no longer, by this time, an eye, ear, nose, and throat clinic. It was a cancer clinic. And people were coming from all over the world. And I didn't know that at that time. So that's the story he told me. And he said, now, now the medical profession has found out about it. And they threatened me that if I don't stop this immediately, they're going to take my license. he said, I need to tell the story. Will you help me write it? I said, sure. That sounds interesting. I thought it would be a three-day project, you know,

just to read about it a little bit and ask a few questions and then just write it up. But it turned out to be, I don't know, a three-year project. Yeah, something like that. uh it changed my life it just changed my life i wouldn't be here today if i hadn't learned about that because it it made that almost everything that we think we know that is really important in our lives is a lie. When I realized that money was a lie, and now I found out that cancer treatments were a lie, what's more important than that yes so that changed my life

and in my own family i've i've seen we have some members of our family that are alive because of the treatments so i wrote the book it took me quite a while i i sat at the at the feet of listening to these the great the great scientists and doctors who really knew about this stuff and dr richardson was very open about it and of course i met the the originator of this whole treatment who was dr ernst t krebs jr who was the inventor of all that oh not the inventor but the discover discoverer of it, the chemical pioneer in using it for cancer. And I sat in his office many, many an hour. He's a portly gentleman.

He would sit back and he'd put his fingers together and say, well, let me think about that for a moment. And then he'd go off on it. How did he discover it? How did he discover it? Well, okay. His father was a doctor, an MD. He was not an MD doctor.

He had his PhD degree from some smaller institution, which they like to hold it against him because it wasn't from Harvard or something like that. He was a PhD, but his doctor was a pioneer in that. So his doctor and his father and he worked together on all kinds of herbal constructions from nature. Because they had already discovered in their minds that nature has the cure, not the test tube. So that's where they were experimenting, and they found that the use of laetrile or this substance.

Now, there's this whole big story behind it, so that's what the book was about. I'll just give you one quick example. One of the clues to this was the fact that in the Midwest, it was quite common for farmers to see that their cows would develop cancers of the of the mouth and lips and so forth and other parts of their bodies in the winter time but they would usually go away in the spring and they said why is that there must be something about the weather you know well then they got to observing that it happened shortly after the green sprouts came up through the snow in the

spring when the snow started to melt and the first greens grasses started to come up through the snow and the cows would eat the green grasses and it turns out these broad leaf grasses are very rich sources of amygdala so that was the kind of clues that they had how they discovered this is by scientific method. And so anyway, that's how it started. And so John asked me to help him write the article, and I did. And that led to the book. And then what happened? I bet that was a hornet's nest.

When we look at what happened in the last few years, if anybody comes up with any treatment other than the one that they've decided they're going to sell you, they come after you in every way. We've seen that with ivermectin, HCQ, anything else that anybody comes up with. And so everybody, this has been on public display now, but you live this, I guess the book was written in 1970. You've done an update, I think in 2010 or something like that. But, you know, this was back in 60s, I guess, where this was happening,

but, you know, when you were publishing it. So what happened after you published this? What was the firestorm? Well, that's an interesting story. I published it and we sold it as a little, I had a little publishing company by then, American Media, and we had a very brisk sale on it and i went to a book um convention in san francisco shortly after the book was published it was and that's where all

the biggies came you know these big exhibits that half a block wide and um let's see, which one was it? It was the little pocketbooks. Bantam, Bantam. Bantam was there. And I thought, well, maybe we could convince Bantam to reprint this and put it on the big market. So it just so happened on the morning of the first day, the president of Bantam was there on the floor when I was there. And I saw this cluster of people around him. So I thought, I'll get in line. So I did.

And so I went up, shook his hand. I said, I'll make this short, Mr. Smith, or whatever his name was. I said, we have this book here on laetrile and it's curing cancer. You probably have heard about it in the newspapers. There's a big controversy over it. And I'd like to give you a copy and see if it sounds like it's something that that Bantam would like to run with so he gave it to his assistant who was standing next to him and he said you know what would look at

this well they called me later in the afternoon and they wanted to have dinner with me and they wanted to talk to me about printing the book so make a long story short we we did. We signed the contract. Wow. We got Bantam to publish our book. And they put it out. They had a special name for it.

It was a special edition that they can produce a book in, I think it's 48 hours, something like that. Wow. And they just work around the clock. They have teams of people, and they work 24 hours to get the thing out in 48 hours or something like that. And they did that with this book. And it went on the book stand and it was selling like hotcakes. And then all of a sudden, we got this message that it's out of print.

Nobody can get the book. It's out of print. And so we checked it out. Sure enough, it's out of print. How come it's out of print? Nobody can get the book, it's out of print. And so we checked it out. Sure enough, it's out of print. How come it's out of print? And I called the publisher and they said, well, there's no demand for it. There's no demand. The bookstores are clamoring for it. Well, our statistics show there's no demand for it.

Well, we couldn't convince them otherwise. They just didn't want to reprint it. So it was clear that somebody on the board of directors at Bantam got the word, Hey, you guys made a big mistake. You published the wrong book. And so we were, we were clamped out. We had one printing and that was it. It was glorious for a few weeks, but after that it was a deader than a doornail.

Story of my life. You talk about the pharmaceutical companies, they come after you and they get you shut down uh yeah it is uh it is amazing but again you know people can find that at rncstore.com um i know that he he sells it there and uh very important for people to take control of their life to question what they have been taught and uh to think critically and and that really has been the story of their life, to question what they have been taught, and to think critically. And that really has been the story of your life, I think, questioning what a lot of people just accept as fact. And you have done your research, and you gave people your opinion,

and I think when their response is to just shut things down, that's something of an endorsement of your research, I think. When their only response is to censor you. Yeah, in sort of a backward way, that's a pretty good recommendation. I've been censored by the best. That's right. Well, tell us about the Red Pill University and the Red Expo, which is coming up November 16th through 17th, right?

Tell us a little bit about it. Yes, that's a big flagship event. We started the Red Pill Expos in 2017, and they've been just roaring successes. We were very skeptical about it at first because, you know, the Red Pill meme, in case there's anybody listening that doesn't know what that means it's a based on a sci-fi movie it's about 21 years ago now called the matrix and the whole theme of the story was that humans were now living in a in a fantasy world they were all wired up to machines and they were dreaming about their lives they weren't really living them and they they thought they were going to you know work every day they thought they were raising a family going on vacation eating meals

and so forth but it was all programmed into their minds and that and they were controlled by the matrix that's what they called it that was this computerized reality and the only way to get out of that was to take the red pill there was the blue pill which you could take if you chose to which would put you back into into the into the illusion but to get out of the illusion you had to take the red pill it turns out that many people chose the blue pill because it was more comfortable they'd rather not know that they were wired up to a machine they'd rather think they were living a normal life it was more pleasant than knowing that you had to fight the matrix to exist so it was kind of a good parallel to the reality so we thought we would call this the red pill expo and deal with topics like that that we wanted to expose the reality and that's underneath the

the illusions and as i said a moment ago it seems like the more important something is the more likely it is that we are in illusions about it because it's to somebody's best interest to do that to us yes they profit from our our naivety and our false beliefs. Now, where can people go to get this? You've got redpoll.org. We have done physical events from the beginning, and they were very well attended and very successful. But this time around, we've decided to go 100% live stream,

primarily so that we can cut expenses on the overall production and make the event absolutely free instead of having to charge tickets for it. Because we want, this is not about money. It's about getting the word out. So that's what we're doing this time. And it's working pretty well. We're very impressed by the response, but we want as many people, this is globally now, around the world to sign up for it. And you can find all the information, who's going to be speaking, what the events are, what the topics are, and a lot of insights as to the themes and so forth on redpillexpo.org. Redpillexpo.org. So sign up, it's free. And we do have an option for those that want to come in on a VIP basis.

They get some extra goodies if they want to do that. Like they can ask questions of the speakers and got a raffle going on and all that kind of thing. It would be nice to be able to pay the bills, but we want this free if necessary to anybody that can't afford $10 or $20 or whatever it is as a donation. It's free. That's what our goal is you see good and one other question i've got about i see that you've got a new book coming out that's coming up how it's called the chasm the issue behind all issues when is that coming up well the latter part is a tough one uh yes i do have a new book it's been coming out it's been a coming out ever since the day after 9 11 actually oh okay that's that's what i started that's when i started to write it the day

after 9 11 that was uh you talk about a red pill yeah oh yeah and um but the the whole purpose of the book is to provide historical support for the fact that our war today that we're in is a war of ideas. It's an ideological war. And it's not between the left and the right. It's not between the Republicans and the Democrats, or the liberals and the conservatives, or the Nazis, or the communists Nazis or the communists or the socialists or all of these labels that we've been given to worry about. It's not the Masons. It's not the Catholics. It's not the Jews.

It's not the black people. It's not the Christians. It's not the Muslims. All these divisions they want to get us focused on, you know. It's not about any of that. Those all little subsections play a part in it. But the overriding, controlling, dominating force behind it all is an idea. And it's a conflict of ideas, I should say, between something called collectivism and individualism. I found out in my research that those words were well known

and used quite extensively 100 years ago. You find them in the old books and in old newspapers too. But modern, no, it's all been scrubbed. And for good reason, because those two words, as strange as they are to the ears of most people today are fully describing the conflict between left and right and you know all these things we mentioned before when you peel off the labels you find it's collectivism versus individualism and so what are what are the what is that how do you define that and that's what this booklet is all about is I took all all the

issues in the in the big book that I'm working on to illustrate support for these principles I've taken just the principles themselves and put them into a 50 page document and I'm giving them away free because I'm afraid I'm not going to live long enough to get this bloody book finished. Although I'm making progress. I want to get these principles out now So I about ten months ago. We made this little booklet here. This is 50 pages And yeah, it's the chasm collectivism versus individualism and it's everything I have learned about those two topics It's all there and type and we got some good illustrations You can see those in the back that sort of illustrate the points that we're making i think i have found very few very few

open-minded people and that's hard to define but very few people who i would have considered to be on the other side politically from my position that after reading this and going over these principles, doesn't come to the point where they say, hmm, hmm, I guess I've been an individualist all along and didn't know it. It's that simple. It's that clear. We get to thinking of, well, let me back up.

The mantra of collectivism is this. The individual must be sacrificed. As fully stated, the group is more important than the individual. And the individual must be sacrificed, if necessary, for the greater good of the greater number. Boy, didn't we see that with public health and all the rest of the stuff?

We see that with everything. Yeah, I know. We see that with everything. That's a good example because they don't care about individual health, right? No. We don't really care if you've had any issues with any of this. You're going to do it for the public health, for the public good. Everybody's going to have to do this.

And I talk about that bureaucracy, the public education, and once they they start talking about that it is the collectivism that is there you find this issue underneath all of them that's why i say this is the this is the i this is the issue behind all issues literally and look at pearl harbor look at 9 11 look at kovid look at everything i don't care what it is you'll find that collectivism is the answer what makes all of that seem justified yes lenin put it this way vladimir ilyich lenin said if you want to make an omelette you have to crack some eggs." And now it can be said many different ways, but the greatest insults of history, the greatest outrages of history have been justified with this mantra. President Roosevelt and his team justified withholding information from American commanders on Pearl

Harbor so that they were literally surprised by the Japanese attack. They justified that, and they justified keeping the information unknown to the American people because it was a mark of statesmanship. It was a means of bringing about a greater good because it was necessary to convince the american people that we needed to get into world war ii as quickly as possible so that we can sit at the peace table afterwards and when we do re-divide the world and we'll make it a better world and we probably would save of millions of american lives too because the japanese surely would have come over and bombed our cities and so forth and you know the average Americans oh oh yeah I guess I guess the 4,000 sailors

we killed deliberately in Pearl Harbor was worth it because it's the greater good of the greater number you know everything everything that happens in this world that's horrible is justified by the perpetrators on the mantra of collectivism yes and it's time to recognize that it's time to break that that hypnosis that that idea has over us i learned that in school they taught me that the greater good for the greater number was the ideal political position and most people still think it is yes oh boy we saw it in spades didn't we absolutely amazing yeah and and i think you're spot on with that and so many other things it's so interesting

to talk to you and uh so many important insights throughout your life and your work has been very valuable to so many people. And I haven't read The World Without Cancer, but that's my intention to read that. That's very, very important, especially when we look at the last four years, how the veil has been pulled back on what the pharmaceutical industry and what the government supposedly oversight people are doing for the greater good you know when i see people die miserably and it's like well it's rare it doesn't matter right it's for the better good for the greater good the common good so we're gonna approve this uh this drug that is out there yeah thank you so much for joining us and again um it's redpilluniversity.org but you have have redexpo.org. Is that the one where people go for the Red Expo that's coming up?

What is the website? Well, it's redpillexpo.org. Redpillexpo.org. Okay. Yeah, redpillexpo.org. If you go there, you'll see who we have as the upcoming speakers. We still have three or four that we haven't put on the page yet. They're all dynamite.

These people all have a red pill to share with you, and they're all really, really important. And so it'd be two days. I mean, be prepared to be blown away by information like this. That's great. It'll change your life. That's great. Thank you so much for joining us, Gio Griffin. It's been a great pleasure talking to you. Thank you. Thank you, David. I really appreciate it, and it's good to see you again on the screen, and

we'll be talking later. Thank you very much. Bye-bye. Well, what an inspiration G. Edward Griffin is. A real critical thinker, a visionary, a man with the courage to go wherever the truth leads him, and again, landmark books, The U.N. A Fearful Master, Creature from Jekyll Island,

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