The David Knight Show - INTERVIEW Gard Goldsmith — GARM Corporate/Government Partners in Censorship

Episode Date: July 17, 2024

Gard Goldsmith, LibertyConspiracy.com @GardGoldsmithJD Vance, central planning, class warfare, and minimum wageGARM — NewsGuard type censorship via advertisersRFKj and the Trump phone call about childhood vaccines"Conservatives" embrace "hate speech crime"How do we stay in touch with reality?Find out more about the show and where you can watch it at TheDavidKnightShow.comIf you would like to support the show and our family please consider subscribing monthly here: SubscribeStar https://www.subscribestar.com/the-david-knight-showOr you can send a donation throughMail: David Knight POB 994 Kodak, TN 37764Zelle: @[e-mail] App at: $davidknightshowBTC to: bc1qkuec29hkuye4xse9unh7nptvu3y9qmv24vanh7Money should have intrinsic value AND transactional privacy: Go to DavidKnight.gold for great deals on physical gold/silverFor 10% off Gerald Celente's prescient Trends Journal, go to TrendsJournal.com and enter the code KNIGHTBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-david-knight-show--2653468/support.

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that airs weeknights at 6 p.m. Eastern time. Welcome, Gard. It's great to see you on the screen. Wonderful background. And all it does is make me think about that great one-off photograph that I got of us in Kingston at Gerald Salente's event. And it's great to see you. Thanks for having me on. I appreciate it.

Yeah, that was good. That was the first time we ever met was um in uh 2021 uh yeah summer 2021 yeah that was a a really cold um was it memorial day or something weekend yeah it was very cold yeah surprisingly cold uh yeah we got a chance to uh meet and talk for quite some time it's been a crazy week what have you been talking about on liberty Conspiracy? Well, one of the major things, in fact, that sort of backtracks to one of the recent things you were just discussing before the break was that J.D. Vance, you know,

he's got two sides on every issue, it seems. And I was looking at his investment portfolio, and here's a guy who claims that he is very skeptical of the climate change canard right now. And yet, if you look at his investment portfolio, he is heavily invested in of Energy head who used to be the governor of Michigan who got $6 million to go into an electric bus company that then went bankrupt, but they only went bankrupt after they brought her on their board, and then they gave Jennifer Granholm stock options. She left the governorship. She joined their board.

She got stock options. Then she sold the stocks for almost $3 million about a month and a half before that EV bus company went bankrupt. So that shows you that in the Democrat circles, obviously, we can't trust them. But why should we have to have questions about a guy like J.D. Vance? It's sort of like Rand Paul's wife investing in a company that makes remdesivir. It doesn't make any sense so there are major people need to do it kind of uh more uh quietly you know just give me some gold

bars you know yeah it's just you know they've got they've got the capacity to make the gold bars with their legislation and their investments and it's so obvious all you have to do is look at these people they've got the power and it's not constitutional in any way. And then, as you were mentioning, his his economic stance doesn't make any sense. Here's a guy. And originally, I didn't have this right. And you went to the same article I did yesterday because night before last, I had done some of his old X posts that he was saying, you know, everyone in the hospital should be jabbed. Fire the nurses who aren't jabbed. The hospitals are all overloaded. And so on from 2021 in October, he had posted that.

And I thought, oh, man, this guy is just a real. Well, it turned out they were sarcastic. Yeah, they were sarcastic posts. Yeah, he was on record a lot in terms of opposing mask mandates. And even RFK Jr.'s son, RFK III, when he posted that phone call that he overheard, he even put it out there. You know, J.D. Vance vax all the nurses or whatever, masks or whatever. Well, he was always against the mandate. And that was my thing about it.

That's the standard Republican thing. You don't want to attack the kill shot, but you want to attack the mandate. Because if you attack the kill shot, you're actually attacking Trump. So attack the mandate, because that's Biden's contribution there. The black man. Exactly. And the same sentiment goes towards freedom opposing lockdown lockdowns and things and he spoke out i think you mentioned his uh op-ed about ohio state and he had correctly come down to say don't have these mandates on ohio state students don't force

them to do this or do that just so they can get in there and i think that that was a good position i think politico had a piece on that a while back so and that was good but then he comes in and says that he got it yeah and then and then and then if you look at that sentiment if we think about a supposed republican conservative republican right he's now joining the guy who issued that march 13th 2020 executive order that facilitated the dominoes from all of the state mandates and so on. But the other thing about it is associated with the mandates I've tried to mention on Liberty Conspiracy is the idea of essential and non-essential businesses. And you've got central planning right there. And that translates into his big push and support for this

even bigger push for tariffs because that is essentially central planning and there's no way that people can get around the fact that the government's going to choose it's going to get gamed just like ohio he comes from ohio when trump became president one of the first things he did was he imposed tariffs on chinese-made dishwashers and washing machines because ohio is the home of may tag and whirlpool and senator portman rob portman who's now out he lobbied heavily to get trump to put those tariffs on and they were a disaster they caused all sorts of problems and this is generally the problem and and you know i know some people think that there are certain strategic

industries that have to be protected but again, again, sentimentally, that is central planning. That is imposing one's own thinking as to, I think this is a strategic industry, and this needs to be protected. And they can't stop the gaming of the system. That's right. So J.D. Vance is engaging the same sort of central planning that came about in Stalinist Russia, in Stalinist Soviet Union. And they're going to make it worse and and then you mentioned the minimum wage things and he he's very deft you know the other part that i wanted to bring up that you brought up about jd vance was his erroneous

assumption that the problem has to do with class and that that so if we if we look at this he in the in the tariff thing he also mixes in he switches over into minimum wage it's all about you know americans having good wages and so on and so forth and then he mixes in the immigration issue to say well you know yes just like minimum wage we have the democrats who want and the corporations that want to bring in foreigners to work the minimum wage jobs. Well, you can separate the intellectual understanding that imposing a wage on a business is imposing a wage on a consumer, which then makes the consumer not have more money left over. That's just an economic axiom. And that will not be applied to a new business, a new startup business, and a new employee who could start.

You're never going to see that opportunity now because the government has made something that shouldn't be as expensive more expensive for wages. And it's a similar thing if we look at it just on basic economics, if we just pare it all down. If we look at immigration itself without the corporate interest to bring in low wages without the the impact of all the regulations put on businesses in the United States which are the main drag we

should be able to hire whomever we want to hire I should be able to hire someone from the next town over the next state over all those things but when you've got a government that is actively involved in bringing people in, that's a different story. You know, I often say on my show, when was the last time your move somewhere was subsidized? When was the last time you got to stay in a hotel off somebody else's tax money in Massachusetts because the government is putting you up and giving you food and doing your laundry for you. So J.D. Vance mixes in all these types of things. He tries to bolster his arguments on one side for, say, tariffs or something like that by bolstering his argument against immigration,

you know, and by bringing up the argument against immigration. And, you know, to look at it as far as economics and ethics goes, they need to be separated. The problem is that government gets involved in all these areas. The best thing that I could see for American businesses is to remove the taxes and get rid of the regulations that inspire all these higher costs that move businesses overseas that make them need to hire the illegal immigrants and things like that because they need to cut their expenses in other areas so i think jd vance really mixes a lot of these things and uh frankly i i i don't trust him um especially you know when he talks about the minimum wage stuff he's taken off one of the key issues against gavin newsom uh and that is what he just did to restaurants of a particular type, right?

And when you're talking about Maytag, you know, what Gavin Newsom did was he specifically targeted chains of fast foods, and yet, you know, it might be somebody who owns one or two of these restaurants in a franchise, but they have to go up to $20 an hour. We've seen a McDonald's that was there for decades. We saw the woman who was in her 90s but still very alert and focused in running her business and had run it for, what was it, 50, 60 years or something, had to shut her business down because it was just too much. Between Trump's lockdown and Gavin Newsom's minimum wage dictates,

she couldn't do it, so it shut the business down. And that was one of the key things that people have seen with Newsom's minimum wage dictates, she couldn't do it. So it shut the business down. And that was one of the key things that people have seen with Newsom. Minimum wage is something that pretends to be compassion, and yet it is destructive. And what Newsom is trying to do, in my opinion, with that, why would he target those particular industries? I think he targeted those industries because they've got some robots that they want to push out for fast food and so that's that's going to be you know they're going to replace these workers they're not going to have better wages they're going to be replaced and when you talk about bringing in workers from another country the technology is going to be able to bring in workers from india without bringing in the people from india they can stay

in india and they can telecommute. And that's what they're going to wind up doing. I mean, we've already seen Amazon pretend that it's monitoring everything that everybody's buying in a store when in reality, they had a thousand people in India watching what was going on. And so that's what they're going to be doing to the workers. It's not about compassion. This is about Marxism.

And it's about a technocracy really and that's what concerns me is his connections his deep connections to peter teal and other people there's 45 million dollars a month from musk what do you think about that yeah you know and it's funny i mentioned on my show the other night i met peter teal at an adam smith dinner in new york he gave me his email address wow and i don't think I ever wrote to him. It was a Foundation for Economic Education, had a number of speakers, and he was one of them. And he was still, I think he had just sold PayPal. He had just gotten bought out at PayPal. And he was very nice. And Richard Epstein was there. And Richard Epstein from the University of Chicago, great law professor, has written about how regulations should be considered takings and people should

be compensated for them because they're taking your opportunities. And, you know, I should hop back to that idea of the essential and non-essential, David, because really, when you see minimum wage impositions, and I could probably tell this to some of the students that I teach. The essential, non-essential, central planning thing. If a person like J.D. Vance is opposed to the lockdowns and opposed sentimentally to the government deciding what is essential and what is not essential, what is Gavin Newsom doing? He's deciding that the consumer is not as essential as what he thinks the employee is essential. But really, he's harming them all. He's deciding for other people how much their labor is worth. And if their labor doesn't reach that level for the consumer, then the consumer has no choice.

So the consumer's choices, the consumer's preferences to gavin newsom those aren't essential yeah and this is the sort of thing that it happens all the time that politicians are essentially deciding for all of us what is essential and what is not essential in our lives yeah and every time you're right he's he's picking the um he's picking the employee over the consumer and pricing them out. But, you know, he's also picking one industry over another. He's picking Silicon Valley and their robots over the fast food people. And he's picking the corporate Wall Street version of Arby'sdonald's or whatever over the small franchisee because they're the ones who don't have the capital to do this the big corporation can raise all the money that

they want on wall street and so they can go out you know they drive out of business these small franchisees and the big corporate wall street business can put that in. You know, I was kind of interested in that article, the document that was just released last year, and it's just now been found, I think Jeffrey Tucker was the first one to talk about it, about the 2007 document, where they laid out all of the stuff that Trump did, even the terminology of essential and non-essential.

And of course, it's been practiced since two months before 9-1111 but i thought it was interesting that the term essential businesses and stuff that goes back to that 2007 document yes yes and and i think it's important for people to note and i i you're the only other person that i've seen around in talk radio circles who's talked about the model state health uh emergency legislation that was promulgated, you know, from around 2003 to 2007 in almost every state. And I was on the air in New Hampshire doing a radio program in 2005, 2006, when they were pushing this. We had a Democrat governor. And I didn't know that it had been promulgated in all these states until later when I started to decipher it and research it and um they you

know they clearly have been putting these plans in some of the people i think who are behind this are very very they know exactly what's going on and others are just opportunists they're being taken advantage by the super opportunists i think you know um and know, it's it's what it just is going to be perpetuated. And one of the things that I've just seen recently is and this shows you how mixed up things can get is Jim Jordan had a committee that released. And in fact, Elon Musk is getting involved in this, too. He's going to be suing release some information about the Global Alliance for Respons media i have it up you probably saw the flash of the light on my screen here um it's called garm and it was a creation they need to come up with an acronym that spells your name i mean yes yes very close exactly it's very close and um and garm is actually an offshoot of

the world federation of advertisers the wfa not the world federation of wrestling you know but they had they have been going for a while the world federation of advertisers and a number of years ago in 2019 they gathered in cans because they're advertisers the media they put commercials out so they have their gatherings in cans just like the film people do. And they created this thing called GARM. And GARM is essentially NewsGuard for private corporations. And check this out. Bayer is involved.

Procter & Gamble is involved. British Petroleum is involved. General Mills is involved. GlaxoSmithKline is involved. Google slash Yahoo is involved. Meta is involved. And what they do, and you and I have spoken about this before, what they do is, as corporations, or as Reason might say private businesses right they they now are saying we are going to organize and we are going to not advertise with certain platforms so they're pulling what news guard does

news guard having gotten money because of bob portman and chris murphy starting in 2016 they pushed the portman murphy countering foreign propaganda act that went simultaneous to the whole russian propaganda thing where they tried to portray the dnc leak as a hack when we know it came from seth rich you know uh it's it's very very you know william binney has pretty much spelled that out um so they tried to they tried to keep pushing the russia russia collusion canard at the same time they were pushing this portman murphy bill the portman murphy bill allowed for two years for 150 million dollars to be showered on on private news organizations to counter the foreign propaganda right and news guard got some of that money as

you know i get hit by news guard all the time just weeks ago, MRCTV, I had to spend four hours. I was listening to your show while I was working on responding to NewsGuard and saying, well, if you hit this hyperlink, you would have seen my evidence. And I challenged them at the end. I said, here's a challenge. If you think what I'm arguing is incorrect about climate change, let's have a debate. Let's open this up. You bring your evidence. I'll bring my evidence. I'll look at the hockey stick graph. I'll show you where it's wrong. You give me, let's have a public thing. We can give the money to charity.

Haven't heard back. In fact, the way NewsGuard operates, and I'll get back to Garmin in a second, the way NewsGuard operates, David, is they send these letters off to MRC, Media Research Center, Brent Bozell's people, and you know, I'm not on staff. I'm on contract.

But if I get a letter, I've got to respond. So I spent four or five hours two weeks ago Friday writing back, giving them my responses, giving it to the head of MRC TV, Eric Scheiner. Eric wrote back to me and said, Gar, thank you so much. This is great. And I said, I don't know what you thought about that challenge at the end. And he goes, I've got to tell you, buddy, I left it in. The challenge has been given. I was like, great, that's great. And I said, I don't know what you thought about that challenge at the end. He goes, I got to tell you, buddy, I left it in. The challenge has been given.

I was like, great. That's great. So then he said, I talked to him again on Monday or Tuesday, that following Monday or Tuesday. That was a Friday. So last week, Monday, I talked to him and he said, you're never going to believe it, Garth. They sent the letters out. They didn't. And they've already downgraded us wow i said are you serious i said and in their messages did they give you a deadline

to say if we don't hear back from you you know just to be you know on some sort of agreeable level to say you know this is the way we will operate you know and he said no they didn't have anything in there you would have thought we we got that back to them. It was Tuesday. He said, we got that back to them on Monday. The staff worked over the weekend. Everybody did their work. They got it. We got it to them on Monday.

By Tuesday, they had downgraded us. Didn't even acknowledge getting our messages. So to bring it back to GARM. So NewsGuard operates in this way. We find out later, and I did a bunch of this research. Matt Taibbi did a bunch of this research uh matt taibi did a bunch of this research michael schellenberger did they found out that darpa the dod and numerous other agencies got that portman murphy money and they shoveled it off partially to things like the virality project at stanford and newsguard so literally your tax money and my tax money was paying to make me work harder

to answer their dumb questions and they just do it for busy work they do it to to make us work that's even worse isn't it yeah it's just it's amazing it's worse than than just shutting you off and giving you no explanation instead they they have you chase your tail for a while and write a lot of reports and then just ignore them and do it anyway yeah it's like they give you they put your head in the noose and they tell you to kick the kick the stool out from under yourself you know that's the way they're doing it and you have to make the rope it's just ridiculous all this stuff goes back to darpa doesn't it you know i mean yeah whatever you're looking at it what a a you know black hole that place is just unbelievable unbelievable. Yeah.

Yeah, absolutely. So we get to Garm. And what's interesting about that is when I first started to read about Garm, and I had to do a bunch of clicks and research and stuff, I found I hadn't heard anything about Elon Musk hearing about this. But I found out about Garm. Then I found this thing from Jim Jordan's committee last week was like Wednesday or Tuesday and that

they actually had a committee looking into this this Garm World Federation of advertisers thing well I'm glad Jordan's on it we got it that's exactly it and leave it to Jim Jordan to go the wrong direction on this and you know he speaks a good game he talks a good talk you know but you know it's like it's like the basketball player who's on the sidelines waiting to get into the game and he's jawing at you like i'm gonna get you and then you find out he can't even dribble you know it's like forget it so i mean he's the washington what is the washington generals of of politics you know it's like that's all that's all the jim jordan ever does it really is to dribble he never takes a shot yeah yeah yeah exactly he never does he just dribbles like

hey look at this yeah yeah yeah so so so and so um so i looked into it and at first blush you only find out about this garm organization and you only find out about the world federation of advertisers and it sounds oh wow you know, these companies, I didn't know which companies were involved. I saw Procter & Gamble, General Mills. Okay, those look like they're just putting their products out. And, you know, if I'm a business person, again, sort of differentiating between corporation and business person,

but if I'm a business person person i should have a right not to advertise someplace if i don't like what they're doing right i don't want to advertise on msnbc the same principle can be applied if i don't like what somebody's putting out i shouldn't have to advertise if i don't like pornography i shouldn't have to put it in my newsstand right i shouldn't have to give someone money to promote my thing on their platform so i understand the sentiment but then i started to look into it deeper and i saw all of these other organizations bp connected to british government we've got we've got all these different glaxo smith klein a pharma giant is associated with this. Yeah. So they, and they're getting government money.

So anytime I see that the government is connected to any of these things, that, to me, that's the stopping point. I can find some gray areas if they're companies or corporations, because then you're saying, okay, they're asking for corporate status. And there's that debate as to whether or not the corporation should be fully allowed to make their decisions with their money or they're not you know or not um but if they're tied to the government that's the red flag right there for me that stops it right there and so that's what these people are doing so jim jordan to bring it back to jim jordan and this is the sad part of it jim jordan wants to bring ant antitrust against these people because he says they're colluding. And it's like, Jim, look, and again, we have to separate out corporate status. You know, the question of whether or not antitrust could be used against businesses that ask the government to be turned into corporations. But as far as the Sherman Antitrust Act, there's nothing in the Constitution.

And James Madison spelled it out. The Interstate Commerce Clause was not written to give the federal government power to so-called regulate products that go over state borders. It just wasn't. It was there to be a remedial approach to state versus state. And inside the Constitution, in Article I, Section 8, in that clause, states are capitalized. It's state versus state disputes because they might be putting tariffs on each other. That was the point.

Yeah, they completely perverted. It was supposed to be there to free up trade when states were going to try to restrict it. Instead, they have used the Commerce Clause to restrict all kinds of activity when that is precisely the opposite of what its intent was. But the thing I find fascinating about it, you know, they've used the Commerce Clause to push prohibition and all kinds of things. And, of course, they never thought that that enabled prohibition when they did it with alcohol prohibition but um it was whatever if you think that's the interpretation of it that was ended by the 10th amendment the 10th amendment overturned that if you believe that was the the uh the way it goes but i think it's interesting you know you talk about jim jordan and how if he ever does anything he does the the wrong thing. But, you know, when you've got the government working with these corporations and using them as a beard for what they're doing, it's kind of fascism that is there.

Instead of defunding these organizations that are giving the money to these corporations and working with them, instead of defunding them, what he does is he comes after something like antitrust, which makes him look good, but it doesn't do anything. Antitrust laws have never worked. They didn't work against. Absolutely. You know, when I was working at Star Trek, I used to take the bus back and forth. I didn't drive in. I took the bus from Pasadena down to the Paramount Studios. And I was reading probably the best book on antitrust and the history of antitrust. It was by Dominic Armentano.

It was called Antitrust and Monopoly. And I remember there was a woman who used to ride the bus with me, a young woman, and she goes, why are you reading that? Because she just thought it looked so boring. And I was like, no, it's really interesting. You know, you go back, this stuff is unconstitutional. It's always gamed by people. They come up with all these arguments of if you're a company and you happen to buy other

companies that you think are associated with you in other regions, that's called horizontal integration. And at certain points, they'll allow it if they like you, but at other points, they won't allow it if you say haven't contributed to a political campaign. It's all rent seeking. It's all rent seeking. They're trying to game at the expense of the consumer. And so she does like, you know, so I would read this section to her.

She goes, oh, that's pretty interesting. I was like, yeah, yeah, good, good. I won over a convert. It's a protection racket. It's like the mafia. It's a nice business you got. It'd be a shame if anything happened. Yeah, yeah.

I always thought it'd be pretty funny, David, to do a skit, an early young guy trying to join the mafia and they send him out to try to shake down businesses locally in New York. And the head mafia guy calls him. He goes, hey, hey, little Tony, come over here. Hey, Tony, you know, I know you've been trying really hard. Yeah, boss. Yeah, boss. I'm really trying.

Yeah. Listen, Tony, when you go into the places and you say, hey, nice place you got here. It'd be a shame if something happened to it. Yeah, yeah, that's what I've been doing, boss. Listen, the point is a little different than I think you understand. So when you say, like Anthony Fauci, nice place you got here. It'd be a shame if somebody replaced your carpeting with something even nicer. That's not what we want.

We want a punishment. You can't say, oh, it'd be a shame if somebody gave you free air conditioning. That's not the way we want it. All right, boss. And it is interesting because I think the final point about that Jim Jordan thing is using something that is an appropriate target for opprobrium, right? And coming up with all sorts of, I mentioned it before, you know, they use these vituperative approaches to things.

They get very ramped up, they get very angry and stuff, and appropriately so. Then they mix into it something that's not appropriate. And it's just the same sort of thing that we see with J.D. Vance, talking about the problems of society and so on, saying it's a class problem. Saying that it has to do with how much you're earning or whatever, when it doesn't necessarily have to do with that. And that's not the place for government to get involved in the first place so with jay with uh with uh with uh jim jordan you know they make a valid argument about these corporations doing this sort of thing for ideological reasons but they don't point out that people should be free to be able to ideologically separate from anybody they want and that's the problem when you get these corporations

mixed in everybody starts looking at them as well well, they're hegemonic. They're very big. They get government assistance and so on. What it should be, I think, is lawsuits against people for doing something that would be inappropriate. Like now Elon Musk is going to be suing these people because he has found out that they made these plans. I don't know whether he's going to be able to win on that front. But to me, and the source of the problem really is the government allowing these corporations to exist.

That's where they open up the gray area. If it's just a private business or it's just a person and they don't want to advertise with someone, they shouldn't have to advertise with someone. It's like you and I discussed a while back with byron allen with black entertainment television he was suing mcdonald's because they weren't advertising enough with black entertainment television it's like well if they don't want to advertise he says oh that's racist so what so what it's not your money to demand that's the point you know that's right well you know if they don't they don't care what we say in terms of putting stuff into our body, they don't care about anything. But, you know, it goes way back.

It's not just about the mandate, as we said. They want to make it about the mandate, Republicans do, and yet they want to mandate all kinds of things. And they also don't want to take a look at the vaccines. What about this clip that was released by RFK Jr.? I'll play it. You've seen it, and so we can talk about it. So I'll play it for the audience. But before I do, real quickly, Karen Carpenter on RockFan.

Say good morning, everyone listening while I'm driving. Hope everybody has a good day. Great show, David. Awesome show yesterday, Guard. So shout out for Guard on Liberty Conspiracy. Let's play for the audience here. This RFK Jr. clip about Trump talking about the fact that he always knew about these childhood vaccines. I said I want to do small doses, small doses. When you feed a baby, Bobby, a vaccination that is like 38 different vaccines,

and it looks like it's been for a horse, not a 10-pound or 20-pound baby. It looks like you should be giving a horse this. And do you ever see the size of it right there? It's just massive. And then you see the baby all of a sudden starting to change radically. I've seen it too many times. And then you hear that it doesn't have an impact, right? But you and I talked about that a long time ago.

And, uh, anyway, I would be, I would love you to do stuff. And I think it would be so good for you. And so good for you. And we're going to win. We're going to win. Isn't that interesting you know i've i've had i've known so many people uh used to work for one we're talking about yeah i could call some trump all the time it's an interesting insight to hear how that operates because he makes common cause with rfk jr and we know that um you know oh yeah i know what you mean about these childhood vaccines

i've seen it happen so many times. He says it's like something like 38 vaccines. No, it's more like 92 because so many of them they give two times, three times, four times, five times over the first couple of years. And he brought in RFK Jr. in the transition period between the 2016 election and January of 2017 when he took office. He brought him into the Trump Tower. They had an interview, and of course, everybody said, oh, look at this. There's rumors that he's going to put RFK Jr. in charge of vaccines. And RFK Jr. comes out and says, well, I really like safe vaccines,

and so we just need to test these things and stuff like that. Well, immediately you get big pharmaceutical companies donating millions of dollars to trump and you get the ceo of eli lily one of the most politically active companies put in as the head of hhs alex azar who was the one who kicked off all the pandemic stuff in january with a his notification you know his official finding that it was a pandemic before trump released the money and um on march the 13th but uh he puts this guy in to to run it and uh he's it's like he's doing the same thing again that's how i read it because um he's talking to him he says you know we're going to win and you know i've really got some things i'd like for you to do and that type of thing it's almost like he's promising him he's going to give him a position in the administration.

And look, I see the same problems that you do, that type of thing. This is what Trump does behind the scenes as part of what he does, I think, to get these people to sign up and go along with him. They see the big, they can read the audience. They can read the crowd. They know what's happening. They know that it's going to hurt them if they oppose Trump. It's going to help them if they support him. And then they get the phone calls and that's i think that the key thing that

he does to people whether they're uh republicans in office or whether they're people who are uh influencers and media figures i think what do you think and i i think that that's one of the really important points to remember about the work that you do and a handful of others worldwide do they have long memories you have long memories so you have the clip they have to get their shots it's really going around right so some people seeing that now will say oh trump and rfk jr they're on the same ground look at trump he's very skeptical these things what they that what they won't remember is how he brought in alex azar how he brought in this guy from eli lilly after already doing this sort of thing before it's the same mo that he did before it's the same thing and this is a guy who constitutionally shouldn't even be talking about this stuff there shouldn't be a cdc there

shouldn't be and and you know niaid or anything yeah none of that stuff and so it's it's amazing to me to see how there's a great song by midnight oil the australian band called short memory and they go through all these things that continually happen with colonialism and so on they were talking about warfare and things like that and uh but it's the same sort of thing where it requires people to hold on to these clips to remember what donald trump said and then at least if they want to be if they want to be kind to donald trump to say look you know mr trump you had this position before you did this you did that can you explain yourself now yeah because he's not even asked to do that nobody puts any pressure on people like that yeah oh no i look

at the manga people and it's like they've got a lower attention span and retention than joe biden does they laugh at him but they don't remember anything that happened yesterday that trump did they don't they choose not to they purged it out of their mind it's almost like darp has replaced their memory with something else and i think i think george orwell really uh you know you read 1984 and it reads like satire now but because i think so many people who worked within those circles and saw the way that politics worked and put out some of those those novels they recognize that people often will be concentrating on other things they won't notice these sorts of things uh but if you look at even the way i i tried to warn people we've talked about this before and you've spoken about this before as well this idea of hate speech

right there was a time when conservatives were that was anathema don't use that term don't use the term hate speech or hate crime which was the first opening of that that was the first crack in that cement floor of free speech it was hate crime what do you mean hate crime it's a crime well you know why are you adding something that's up to the government to perceive whether or not the motivation behind it was worse with the same result so you get now ron desantis signing those two pieces of legislation in israel one of which is well if you spray paint graffiti on a building but it happens to be uh critical of the state of israel you're going to get a heavier penalty than if you draw something like, you know, a swear word or something like that. You know, it's still damage to the other person's property.

And they add it just like they add for the penalties. They add it just like they add a conspiracy charge to turn something into a felony or something. Right. Yeah. And so they add it to everything. Oh, well, you know, this is part of your motivation or something. So we're going to add that in there like we add the conspiracy thing. I think we really need, I think we've got to do a T-shirt. It says, extremism in defense of free speech is no vice, and moderation of content is no virtue.

I mean. You know, I was going to bring down my copy of With No Apologies from Barry Goldwater, bring it downstairs. It's my dad's old copy. It still has the original cover on it and everything. And, you know, and it is interesting too because i think as people start to get into this mode if you look at the way that they were approaching the shooting in pennsylvania right uh the murder of this retired firefighter um you know reading what his daughter had to say about it just breaks

the heart you know and these are people who probably think that Donald Trump is going to pare down the size of government looking at his record in the past. That's not necessarily a very strong thing that you can approach with any sort of confidence. But, you know, maybe they're thinking they'll get some decentralization, maybe some Supreme Court justices that will be put on there or protection of the Supreme Court in certain ways and they have their agenda and they think that these are very important and they look at Joe Biden as being so bad and Donald Trump is the guy they're turning to and so they're in the stands they're having a great day and then this happens and we have conservatives now exactly like you said over the past couple, engaging in this same sort of deconstructionism of political rhetoric that we all know is just political rhetoric. It's like, yeah, go out and target that guy.

You know, even when they show the footage of Maxine Waters, when she said, when you see these people outside, you get a crowd and you tell them you're not welcome here. And that's my, I know it's a great impression of Maxine. It's wonderful. I'll get my wig later. I need one. You need a James Brown wig. Yeah. What's that?

You need a James Brown wig. Remember? Yeah, exactly. I'll be James Brown, the godfather of bald soul. I was going to play a clip i remember you had uh it was a guy on fox news um uh and he got into a thing because he with uh maxine waters a few years ago bill o'reilly uh got into it because he said something about her having a james brown wig well she was uh she was flipping out her j James Brown wig the other day.

And then he said, we're going live. We're going live. That's right. Yeah. Stop the hammering. I don't know. Stop the hammering from Lawrence. Stop the hammering. Now I remember his first name.

I don't remember his last name. Oh, man. Yeah. Yeah. It's just amazing. These people are amazing. And, you know, I understand they're just amazing these people are amazing and you know i understand they're all under pressure and so on and so forth but you know hopefully but but so

yeah to to think about that's that that idea that now republicans are falling into the same trap they are closing the garbage compactor on themselves in the death star they're the ones controlling they're winnowing down their for their frame of speech they're doing it themselves and it was years ago that we said don't buy into hate crime concepts don't buy into so-called hate speech and now what are they doing they're doing the same sort of things that university professors and high school teachers would do is what was the real meaning behind what that person said? It's like, stop doing that, because you are now constraining your ability and the future ability.

If you're looking at it as a consequentialist, you're going to hurt yourself. If you're looking at it as a person of principle, just don't do it in the first place. If somebody comes out with a direct call for violence against a specific person that is something that can be addressed but trying to reinterpret what everyone says and so on that's just going to be impossible it just is it's you're juggling too much and the whole thing's going to collapse yeah yeah it's crazy to see it and we're seeing it with people like jonathan turley even coming out saying we've got to stop this yeah you know i understand people say we got to take the temperature down because i've been saying that for a long time about kind of comments that

bannon is making i mean you know he's talking about revenge and vengeance and we're gonna you know and this type of stuff and i've said i'm concerned about a civil war with that kind of rhetoric i'm concerned just as uh audi modern retro radio was saying he said look they're building this up everybody is expecting uh trump and now he's even a bigger figure in their eyes and if he doesn't win you know they're trying to set people up for the frustration to push them into a civil war i understand all of that but at the same time uh you know again just like jim jordan they're going after the wrong in the wrong way the wrong things in the wrong way is what they're doing yeah i think also you know i i a hundred percent and i even mentioned it on liberty conspiracy i said look this incessant

inappropriate drumbeat of comparing donald trump supporters with nazis at the same time they have people from cnn standing in front of burning libraries at BLM protests saying it was a mostly peaceful protest, right? I mean, it's just so bald-facedly absurd. It's ridiculous, right? And trying to draw out things, taking things by. There are so many things that they could appropriately use for criticism of Donald Trump, but they don't want to do it because they want to be able to do the exact same things. And they want to have lockdowns.

You know, when you talk about the vaccines and stuff like that and the lockdowns and the mask and the ventilators they've done the same thing so of course they're not going to come after him and that's one of the reasons why he gets all the pass uh from all the people in washington republican as well as democrat the real it's it's really it's really a shame and and you know i think about all these types of things things and how so much of this is caused by centralization, by having every decision, so many things decided by, you know, it is all integrated into Washington and the payoff system to the states, and the regulatory systems. It just, I think so many people have such normalcy bias now that this is the place. They have their great hope. Their great white hope is Donald. Their great orange-headed hope is Donald Trump, you know?

And I think about how important it is. In fact, David, I was looking at a book last night. It's just a novel. It's called Black Angus. And it opens with some folks who have cattle and it describes how you know it's dirty work the cattle they're there they have to do a blood test on some of the cattle they're bringing them in you can get conjunctivitis you know I mean exactly

exactly and and it really it made me think about working at the farm stand and about how so much is artificial now. And I was thinking about the Bible and how the Bible stresses family, generational respect. And I'll tell you this. And I mentioned this to Travis in my email um I I a little bit earlier I was listening you know I was I was listening to your your show while I went down to visit with a woman who's an elderly lady and her husband just passed away and they were just wonderful people to us as kids they had kids we played together as kids so she lives down the country road we had lightning storms last night, we had power fluctuations here while I was doing my show and she didn't have power.

She's like 90 years old, 90 something years old, no air conditioning and no phone power. Everything's out. So my sister and I were talking to her daughter who lives, you know, two hours, three hours away. And we said, we'll go check on her. So I was down there this morning, you know, pulling stuff out of the driveway branches and stuff like that. And I was thinking about how so much is artificial taken away from us by these arbitrary machines that perpetuate themselves and then gaining the system when how wonderful it is to be able to go down and see this woman who gave me lemonade gave me pieces of pie as a kid and i'm back in her home and now the tables have turned and i'm helping her and and you know it gets me it gets me emotional uh thinking about these sorts of things how how they draw our attention away from all these things they make us

have to devote so much attention to all this other stuff even even what kind of words are people using on this internet thing or that internet thing when there's a woman down the street who's got no power and i can go down and try to help her out I got her hooked up so she can charge her phone inside her car and asked her if she wanted to come back up to the house up here, you know, and it really makes me think of the grounding that one can get. And especially with your, as I mentioned to you in text, your ministry, where every once in a while, it's just so important to have that memory of things and not have it done falsely. You look at the falsehoods that they're pushing at the RNC now. You know, it is now built up into its own system of lies.

And the way you pair that off is you stay local. You put your face in front of your neighbor. You have a family. I hope to have a family someday, and then you try to perpetuate that. Well, I just remember what I was talking about with the kids. You know, the kids don't have any memory of how things used to be normal like we do. But if you get them off of the Internet,

instead of letting them be on that for seven to eight hours a day, social media would be a large part of that. Get them off so they've only got eight hours a day social media be a large part of that get them off so they've only got three hours a week and i said in two weeks the kids who were troubled and had all these problems why they have these problems well because of this demonic box that is there uh it's not good for people at any age but it's especially harmful for kids they need to have human contact and instead we've got this um black mirror if you will uh from the sci-fi thing that demands our constant attention and demands that we pay

attention to it instead of the people that are around us even when we're eating you know we're looking at this thing constantly i mean i'm bad about that because i'm trying to i've got so much stuff i've got to look at i'm i'm scrolling through some of the stuff while I'm eating sometimes. But, you know, when we when we look at this, it's it's demanding all of our attention. And it's very unhealthy, even for adults, but especially for kids. And we just we don't see kids out in the yards playing anymore. And even you hear people like a story I covered last week where the cops got called on this little girl because she goes five doors three to five doors down to visit a friend on a bicycle on a bike yeah she's eight years old or something right she was like eight years old yeah they call the cops on her he's

like what what is going on here nobody is supposed to be outside of their house especially kids it's crazy you know it's it's interesting david when you play the music and I see some of those scenes, you have some great footage of a creek, water flowing, beautiful, beautiful stuff. And we, you know, I had that when I grew up. We used to cut the base of vines and swing on vines in the woods and so on, you know. And it was wonderful. And working at the farm stand or looking at that book, Black Angus, I think there's something very important that God gave to us in connecting with the world around us, whether it's, you know, working with animals, seeing the life cycle of animals, the pairing of animals, you know, raising their young, that sort of thing. There's something that really has to be stressed there in modern society. I think a lot more people are starting to recognize that david uh with the work of you

know you and tony and other folks out there who are doing this sort of thing um it's not just natural food but it's just a natural environment you know being there and seeing you know what god has done and relating to these things that truly are amazing when you get back and you only deal with things that are artificial only things that are man-made when they put you in a a cubicle or we allow ourselves to be adapted into this situation where we're always in front of the of the device and not out there with other people uh it really is a self-limiting thing and a lot of us just do it uh fall into that habit yeah so true so true, so true. And, you know, it's interesting, David.

I'll just briefly mention to you, one of the amazing things in these human connections that comes through is my friend Tom Montalioni. Tom is an award-winning horror writer, science fiction writer. He's had things, options for movies and things like that. He's won multiple Bram Stoker Awards, all those things, you know, right? Well, he discovered that the people at the Horror Writers Association a number of years ago, he noticed that they were starting to push DEI. They were starting to promote, oh, this is the first female trans whatever who has won this award. Vampire. Yeah, he started to suspect that maybe they were giving the awards

not for merit but for other reasons right again prima facie racism sexism but they think that it's acceptable now right so they're harming good writers who should be considered because of somebody else's skin color and they're going to prefer that thing the very thing that i thought was bad right so tom called them on it and he ended up finding somebody sent to him an email from the horror writers association where they literally said for the lifetime achievement awards we're trying to make sure that there are slots open for for different types of categories of people or something like that who in the past didn't get the recognition they deserve so what do you get you're saying again it's reparations all over again except with the awards process so he exposed

it they then tried to take away his bram stoker awards they wouldn't allow him at any of their conventions they they they ostracized him so i had him on the liberty conspiracy show you know as i was just getting started up last year as i had had him on, he's sort of one of my mentors. He's a really good guy, Tom Antolioni. And he was so, so grateful because he said, you know, Gard, you know, I've been excluded from this magazine where I used to write. I've been excluded from this, excluded from that. He said, he approached me later. He said, Gard, would you like to edit this collection? we do a series of short collections it was a robert e howard collection and i said sure and since that

time he approached me to edit another one ef benson ghost stories and i said sure and looking back at some of these older stories to sort of bring it around, some of these older stories, I'm looking at E.F. Benson, who was the son of the Archbishop of Canterbury. And again, in these stories, you can see how these people, just like Dostoevsky, just like so many others, were trying to warn people about materialism. They were trying to keep people connected to the ground and this was a guy who by the way when his father passed away queen victoria invited his mother to bring their family into windsor castle to live with her yeah and she said no well you know i think about uh jrr tolkien he was very much about that as well and in the what he was talking about uh being grounded in the natural we've only got about 40 seconds.

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