The David Knight Show - INTERVIEW How Would You Like to OWN Your Home Instead of Renting It Forever

Episode Date: August 27, 2024

States give tax abatements to corporations as an incentive all the time, but never help the people with their biggest investment — their home.  Donald Rainwater, candidate for Governor of Indiana, has a novel approach to ending property taxes and many other ideas to reduce the size of government that were done during "pandemic" lockdown, then abandoned. RainwaterForIndiana.comFind out more about the show and where you can watch it at TheDavidKnightShow.comIf you would like to support the show and our family please consider subscribing monthly here: SubscribeStar https://www.subscribestar.com/the-david-knight-showOr you can send a donation throughMail: David Knight POB 994 Kodak, TN 37764Zelle: @[e-mail] App at: $davidknightshowBTC to: bc1qkuec29hkuye4xse9unh7nptvu3y9qmv24vanh7Money should have intrinsic value AND transactional privacy: Go to DavidKnight.gold for great deals on physical gold/silverFor 10% off Gerald Celente's prescient Trends Journal, go to TrendsJournal.com and enter the code KNIGHTBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-david-knight-show--2653468/support.

As you pointed out, I believe that you can never truly own your property if you are under the threat that the government can take it from you because you fall behind on your semi-annual rent payment to them. They call property taxes as rent. So I believe that we need to do away with this tax in perpetuity. So I've said in Indiana, we have a 7% sales tax. So let's make it seven years. 1% of the purchase price for seven years maximum. Now, if you can pay that at closing, either in cash or by rolling it into your mortgage and amortizing it over a 30 year period then you're done if you can't you pay it one percent escrowed into your mortgage

like you're doing now and at the end of seven years, you're done. All right, folks, and if you want to defend the American dream, you better start locally. And that's why we're going to talk local and state government. That's why I was open to it. I interviewed Donald Rainwater, who had run for governor in 2020. We've talked about what was happening during that period of time. And he got national attention because he jumped up so high in the polls because he's about the only politician in any party that was really tackling this pandemic nonsense. And he did a great job of doing that. And so he is back and he is running for governor yet again. The rainwaterforindiana.com.

Rainwater, and it's F-O-R. Indiana.com is his website. But we're going to talk about why he's running, what the issues are. So thank you for joining us, Donald Rainwater. Appreciate it. Oh, well, David, thank you so much for having me. I really appreciate the opportunity. Well, I'm glad to have you on.

And I think I want to talk about issues because we have everything focused on the two parties and everybody is so focused on just the two parties focused on personalities and not focused on issues. And it's killing us. I mean, these agendas that are out there and everything else, nobody is paying attention to that. They're so distracted in this personality competition. It's like some kind of a beauty contest or a talent show or something. So let's talk a little about issues. Tell us, first of all, why you're running in Indiana. What are the important issues for you? Well, you know, first of all, first and foremost, as a libertarian, I believe in uh limited very limited government and the safeguarding as thomas jefferson wrote in the declaration of independence you know to secure these rights governments are instituted

among men and so i believe that we need to refocus our government at every level on safeguarding every individual's rights equally and reducing the size and scope of government. It is much more difficult for someone with ill intent to utilize government in an inappropriate way if government isn't strong enough to be used in that way. So I'm very intent on reducing the size and scope of government. And I heard you talk about the federal government and the importance of state government as well. And one of the things that I tell folks in Indiana is that I believe that the Constitution of the United States is a fence around the federal government

intended to keep it within its intended purpose. The slats in that fence are the 50 states. The problem is that we've allowed the slats to fall down on the job. Our states are not holding the federal government accountable. Instead, they're standing there with their hand out, asking for more money, much like Oliver Twist. And so the federal government now has the upper hand, and that's how things get out of whack. So I am running for governor of the state of Indiana because I want to reduce the size and scope of government, and I also want to grab the ninth amendment with one hand and the

tenth amendment with the other and tell the federal government to back off good good yeah i just read a an op-ed piece the other day um i think it was from brownstone how much it might have been from mrs they said every one of these candidates uh for president or be any office actually should be asked these two questions what is the purpose of government what is the purpose of government uh you know and what is its rightful role in our lives and uh nobody ever asked them something like that that's uh that would be so telling i imagine most of them would say the purpose of government is to keep us safe right you know i've heard that i've also heard one of my opponents made the comment the uh hero a while back that conservatism is government not spending more than it takes in

and i think that that's an atrocious assumption uh government conservatism is government doesn't take in more than it needs to do its job. That's how Calvin Coolidge defined it. He said that when government takes in more than it needs, that's legalized robbery, and I agree with him. Yeah, and it really needs to come from the standpoint of understanding what the proper role of government is. You know, we need to make government small enough to fit in the Constitution. And if it gets that small, we're not going to really worry about how it is financed. I mean, it'd be such a small tax. I think it was Ron Paul who said that.

If we got the government to fit inside the Constitution, the way that we raise the taxes wouldn't really matter because it would be so small that uh we really wouldn't notice it but yeah the problem is that it's gotten so large and so the problem that we see in washington one of the reasons why a solution i believe is not going to come out of washington the solution is being to keep washington in washington and far away from us uh but the problem is all of the money. And when you look at the fact that Lala Harris got $500 million, half a billion dollars in one month, that was five times the amount that George W. Bush got in 2020, in 2000, I should say.

And he was accused of trying to buy the election by Al Gore, who only got $70 million. But she gets $500 million in one month. Why is that there? Well, it's because an election is an advanced auction of stolen goods. And these people know they're not donating. They're investing. And they're going to get more than they put in, a lot more.

And so that's one of the reasons I think it's growing. And I think it's growing at the state level. And so let me ask you, you know, when you look at this at the state level, what is typical for your opponents, Republicans and Democrats, to be spending on their campaign? What kind of money are they talking about, roughly, when you're a gubernatorial competition Democrat and Republican? I'm sure your budget is not anywhere close to that. You're out there doing this as a citizen. But what are they taking in

well i i you know i i know that uh they're taking in millions of dollars um and i'll be honest with you i am more much more concerned with what our general assembly is taking in and how they're spending it. To give you a good example of that, at the beginning of 2023, we had a $4.5 billion surplus in Indiana. So the General Assembly found a way to spend $25 billion, spend that $4.5 billion surplus down so that then for 2024 and 2025 budgets, they made sure that they spent in the budget the money they thought they were going to be able to receive so that there would not be a surplus that they had to give back to the citizens. And that, I think, is an example of this idea that, well, it's conservative for me to say that we don't spend more than we take in. And that assumption is that we can figure out how to get it out of your pocket.

We're going to spend it, and we don't care whether you need it or not. And I think that's both unethical and immoral. Yes. And I think that this is part of the problem that we have in Indiana. One of our big issues right now, most all citizens are frustrated with property taxes because even though we have a constitutional amendment in Indiana that says that residential property tax is one percent of the

assessed value of the property, they reassess every year and they keep making that assessment go higher and higher, which means that people's property taxes go up and if their property taxes are escrowed into their mortgage, that means their mortgage payment goes up every year. We've got senior citizens who've had their forever homes where all their memories of raising their children and all of their other significant events through their life have taken place. And now they've paid off their mortgage but they can't keep their home because they're on a fixed income and they can't afford their property taxes anymore yes and our state government doesn't seem to care they're more worried about funneling money to economic development commissions at both local and at the state level.

We have an Indiana Economic Development Corporation that was just given a $50 million budget increase to go out and attract large corporations to come to Indiana, build, uh, create new jobs, uh, that, uh, because we are at the lowest unemployment in the history of the state right now. And the U S chamber of Commerce says that we actually have a worker shortage for every 100 available jobs. We are missing 25 people to fill those 100 jobs. And so instead of making cost of living lower in Indiana, we're bringing in all these new jobs and then having those jobs filled by Hoosiers who are leaving small businesses. And then the small businesses, the Hoosier entrepreneurs that have been trying to build and invest in Indiana their whole lives are not able to staff their businesses. And so we now in Indiana over the last decade have a net loss in small businesses and individual franchisees. And this to me, along with our loss of family farming, is causing an economic crisis in indiana when the state government

doesn't care because what they're looking for is this corporatist style of government yes and i vehemently oppose that yes and we saw that in 2020 and you were speaking to that issue when you're running in 2020 the fact that absolutely mom and pop stores on main street were non-essential but the big box stores from wall street they were essential they could stay open but the small mom and pop service businesses couldn't stay open so they're coming after the small mom and pop service businesses are coming after the farms the family farms and things like so they're coming after the small mom and pop service businesses are coming after the farms uh the family farms and things like that they're coming after every kind of business that is um uh you know done by individuals uh they absolutely it's the big corporations that are declared um essential and it is what the government at every level really is is serving that interest to uh to drive out their competition and to make sure that we don't have any businesses.

That's the key thing. What kind of, now you said that you've got more jobs and you've got people to fill them in Indiana. What was the outcome from the lockdown that you see there? I guess you don't have a big city. Are you having a, you probably don't have the kind of commercial real estate problems that we're seeing, uh, on the coasts in California, New York, I guess.

Right. Well, I don't think to the same extent, uh, what we are seeing, um, because I believe that the way that, uh, the Indiana state government, uh government handled the pandemic. We saw a lot of folks who had to innovate and create new means of income. I think that the gig economy was a place where folks found a lot of that. And so a lot of this worker shortage is actually a result of folks who were told they couldn't go to work during the pandemic, finding other ways to make income. And when the state opened back up, those folks said, oh, no, fool me once, shame on shame on you fool me twice shame on me i'm not coming back no i'm going to make sure that i have the means to take care of my household and my

family um and i'm not going to get which is here again why i think we have such a a problem with this attitude that government should be force-feeding a large corporate economy to the state of Indiana. Because what we're really doing is we're saying we have a limited number of people. We're going to flood the state with jobs. And it's going to force small businesses either out of the market or they're going to have to raise their level of salary, wages, and benefits to match what we're bringing in. Well, you know, I hear a lot of Republicans complain about Democrats trying to increase the minimum wage. Well, when Republicans are bringing in all of these high-paying jobs and basically enticing workers away from small businesses, you're really doing the same thing. What you're saying is, if you want to compete, you're going to have to raise your wages to match these big corporations.

This is picking winners and losers once again. And I think it is abhorrent that our government takes it upon themselves to manipulate the economy in that way that is not free market principles the free market principle is if we encourage people to come here and there are plenty of people fulfill the, then the jobs will come on their own. And then all of that can be done in a very organic way. But when you're giving corporations 35 or 50-year sales and use tax exemptions, as they're doing with Amazon web services in the south bend area and meta down in the jeffersonville area what you get are these huge corporations

who are getting you know they're not even it's not just the sales tax exemption for 35 or 50 years on the equipment for these data centers, which is a lot of money. But it's also that they get a 35 or 50-year use tax or sales tax exemption on their electric bill for a data center. Yeah. Those data centers are going to really put such a burden on the infrastructure. We've got here in Tennessee, we've got the TVA is going to jump up the electricity prices by five and a half percent. Part of that is the fact that they want to go to renewables which means that they've then got to buy these very expensive battery battery energy storage sites which are a massive fire hazard so it's an

extremely expensive form of energy that's being imposed on us because of climate fear and as you point out they're going to bring these companies in, give them heavy subsidies on energy usage, which is going to drive the price of energy up sky high for everybody else if they can even get it. That's the issue as well. people, how many of you are small business owners and you get 10 or 15 folks raising their hand and you look at them and say has the state of Indiana ever offered you a sales tax exemption on your electric bill? And they look at you and go no, they have a car shop. Because in their mind, you're not big enough

to worry about. And I find it terribly offensive that in our state constitution we have, in our state constitution's bill of rights, a clause that says that the state government will not provide any privilege to any citizen or group of citizens that is not provided to all. Now, what they do is they say, well, you know, anybody who invests $800 billion in the state of Indiana can get this privilege.

That to me is again, immoral and unethical. Yeah. Oh yeah. It is deciding that some groups are central and others are not essential and it is violating the market principles. Look, I've seen this type of thing forever.

We used to see it predominantly at the state level, local level. We'd usually see it with big professional stadiums and those things kept going up and up you know first it's a couple hundred million uh then it's uh up to a billion dollars for a stadium and now um you know to infinity and beyond with this stuff but uh you know that that was uh that that kind of subsidy for certain businesses is again the government picking winners and losers and usually they pick those winners and losers based on who's putting money in their pockets now the politicians are some of the best investments that anybody can ever make and they're not donating stuff but they're making investments um i've got uh well we're talking about money here and you talked

about the surplus that indiana had i i don't know if that's coming from some of the covid cash that they got i know that california was looking before all this covid nonsense they were looking at a deficit of tens of billions i forget what the exact numbers were then all of a sudden they got so much money out of washington out of the trump administration that they had um you know like 100 billion dollar subs uh excess and they quickly ran through that with all kinds of new spending programs. And now they're looking at deficits of tens of billions again. So they just ran through all that cash.

But I've got a question here from a listener, DGA on Rumble, and thank you for the tip. Appreciate that. Said, David, could you please ask Mr. Rainwater about how much power and funding to violate the state's constitution, the federal emergency order Trump signed on March 13, 2020 gave to these governors. What kind of largesse did they get?

I mean, of course, we all know this is what the federal government does. It hands out a lot of money, whether it's the Department of Education or something else, to get the policies done that they want. They bribe them, and then later on, after the people, after they get hooked on this money, they can use that to blackmail them and say, you know, it'd be a shame if you lost that, all that money that you've gotten used to. What happened in terms of COVID cash and in 2020 in Indiana that you can speak to? Well, I don't know specifically as far as COVID cash, but I will tell you, here's what we know. In the state of Indiana in 2019, the year before the pandemic started, the state budget was around 16 billion for the general fund and about 26 billion with federal money

in the four years since we now have a state budget spending last year of about $26 billion. And that's for the general funds. So that's about a $10 billion increase. And with federal funds, it's a $20 billion increase. So we've added a significant amount of money to our state spending, to our state budget, because of the increased funding from the federal government. And the problem that we have with this, of course, is that, once again, if government is flush with cash, then people are desperate to do whatever they can to get control of that money, which is why what we see in politics is the, you know, why are Republicans and Democrats able to raise millions of dollars

that Donald Rainwater can't? Because Donald Rainwater is not for sale. As you mentioned earlier, these folks that put money into campaigns do so as an investment because they know they're going to get a lot out. And when I go out here and I say I want to reduce spending, I want to reduce taxation, I want to reduce the budget, that does not make me attractive to those folks who want to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars investing in their ability to manipulate the government for their benefit. That's right. Which is why my, uh, you know, my campaign we've, we've raised a little over a hundred thousand dollars. Uh, and, uh, the vast majority of that has come in the, uh, 20,

50 hundred dollar, uh, amounts from citizens who are tired of state government and local government um taking advantage of them yes and so we've got a lot of a lot of that now if any of your listeners are uh genuinely concerned about better government, not bigger government. As you told them, they can go to rainwaterforindiana.com, and I've got a donate button there for PayPal, and I've got a separate one for debit credit. And if they want to make a big donation, I'd be more than happy to take it. That's right.

But you're not for sale, and that's the key thing. That's right. But you're not for sale. And that's the key thing. And that's the way that they make it. Not even for rent. Rent for, I'll, for rent for four years. Yeah. We'll,

we'll work for subsidies. Yeah. The, when we talk about that, I mentioned many times, I know I talked to people in Idaho at the time, this stuff was happening in 2020, Brad little,

the governor there, the Republican governor there was given several times what the entire state budget was out of washington and it was money that he could spend at his discretion and so of course you know that's a big powerful political um plum that you've got their big political leverage that you have that can help you get elected and help you to do all kinds of things for yourself personally when we see somebody getting a massive endowment like they did with pete boudigay giving him control of like 200 billion dollars for infrastructure that's something he could use to feather his nest politically with a lot of people

and make friends with him and so essentially that's what was happening with a lot of people and make friends with them. And so essentially that's what was happening with a lot of these governors, both Republican and Democrat during the, during the lockdown with that kind of money. And when we look at the corporations, when they invest in these politicians, it's a regular fee. If you go back and you look at what that corporation later gets and, and look at how much they donated,

usually they're getting a couple of thousand percent return on investment. I mean, there just isn't any better investment you can make than a politician. So we were talking earlier, and you have some very specific ideas about what you would do to help people on property tax, for example. Talk about that, because this is something that affects all Americans in every state. And, you know, this is something people could start to push their politicians and their state to do something about. Talk a little bit about your ideas about property tax relief, because nobody can own property in the United States as long as we've

got these high property taxes. Absolutely. And of course, I tell people as a libertarian, in a perfect world, I would abolish property taxes entirely. When I suggested that four years ago, a lot of folks had their heads explode. So what we've done is we've said, okay, let's kind of give people a pragmatic approach. First of all, we need to make sure that property taxes never go up. Nobody should be scared to find out that their property taxes are increasing. So what I've proposed is that property taxes in the state of Indiana should be based on 1% of the purchase price of your property. Because I believe that the only true value of any item is what you paid for it until someone else pays you to buy it from you.

Then you have a true value at that time based on what they paid you for it yes so in between and this is something that i i you know i find very uh ironic and a little hypocritical is here again when i hear folks talk about um about the current vice president's idea of taxing unrealized gains, and they throw a fit about that. And then in the state of Indiana, we have Republicans and Democrats who want to tax the unrealized gains of property. And I think that's wrong. So here again, first, we want to make it 1% of the purchase price of your property. It never goes up. And then as you pointed out, I believe that you can never truly own your property if you are under the threat that the government can take it from you because you fall behind on your semi-annual rent payment to them.

They call property taxes. So I believe that we need to do away with this tax in perpetuity. So I've said in Indiana, we have a 7% sales tax. So let's make it seven years. 1% of the purchase price for seven years maximum. Now, if you can pay that at closing, either in cash or by rolling it into your mortgage and amortizing it over a 30-year period, then you're done. If you can't, you pay it 1%, escrowed into your mortgage like you're doing now,

and at the end of seven years, you're done. One of the things that I keep pointing out to people is that if you pay one percent of the purchase price or one percent of the assessed value over a period of 30 years you will have given your faith and local government over a 30-year period over 30 percent of the equity in your home. Wow. You have given them 30% of the investment that you made in your home. Now, the government hasn't done anything to earn that money. And when we talk about one of the things that I hear a lot is, oh, well, you just want to defund the police.

And I say, no, absolutely not. We have tax increment financing all over the state of Indiana that has been stealing property taxes from local governments for decades. We have 10-year tax abatements that our local governments can give to commercial and industrial businesses so that they don't have to pay property taxes for seven or eight years, depending upon how much their quote unquote investment is, how many jobs they create. And so what you're talking about is really kind of, you know, having a go for seven years or whatever, 1% a year, you're talking about giving a kind of having it go for seven years or whatever, 1% a year. You're talking about giving a property tax abatement on the back end for homeowners.

That's one way for people to look at it. But I really like the way that you explained this and your perspective of looking at this. Because typically we talk about the injustice of the property taxes and it is an injustice. We are being taxed on government created inflation because they say that the price of your home is going up. You know, you, you get a home and you have it for 30 years and you know, maybe you're going to sell it for 10 times what you paid for. But that home is not worth 10 times as much as it was it's 30

years old now maybe you know and and so it is not worth more it's just that your money is worthless and so that's a tax on the inflation that's there when you have these property taxes that are being re-evaluated all the time but i love what you're talking about in terms of the fact that people need to look at it since this is all being talked about now by the democrats it's great to talk about this as people refer to it as an unrealized gain uh to think about this and saying well what if we looked at your stocks and we say that you had um in your um investment portfolio you had a hundred thousand dollars in stocks and now your stocks have gone up in value and they're 150 000 so we're going to tax you on that 50 000 but you're still holding it that could go down and it could become a loss and that type of thing something is actually true

of your home your home can actually go down in value we've seen that happen uh surprise a lot of people uh you know in the great recession and it may happen again but um that really is when you really evaluate this i like talking about it in terms of being taxed on a gain that you haven't taken uh as opposed to talking about it in terms of an inflationary tax and it causes people to lose their home if they're on a fixed income and yet the price of their home is not fixed that's a great way to look at it that's uh that's a very important issue. And I'm glad that you're talking about that. People need to think about this in every state. That is something everybody ought to be making an argument for in terms of property tax. And I also like your idea

about the 7% thing up front or paying 1% for seven years and then you're done uh that is also um very important uh the home is many cases not only the biggest but sometimes the only investment that people in the middle class have and this is the government trying to take that away from people and they do it absolutely yeah yeah uh talk a little bit about your uh your perspective on the gasoline tax as well because that's cool yeah yes well and there's you know there's constantly talk about gasoline prices and how high they are and how that unfairly impacts lower and middle income hoosiers and in in the state of Indiana, we actually pay two separate state taxes on gasoline. We have a 7% use or sales tax, which is calculated on the average price across the state of Indiana of a gallon of gas for the previous month. So for the month of August, the use tax was $0.203 per gallon.

But then we also have a gasoline excise tax that our General Assembly back in 2017 decided to index for inflation they added 10 cents and then made it indexed for inflation so it goes up a penny a year minimum it sales tax, 35 cents in excise tax, which is a 55.3 cent per gallon tax on gasoline just for the state. I believe the federal tax is currently 18 cents a gallon. And so 18 cents versus 55.3 cents seems to be a lot to me. And I personally don't believe that anyone should have to pay two taxes to the state of Indiana for the abolition of the state excise tax on gasoline. I'll take that a little further. We also pay 7% sales tax when we purchase a car, and then we are charged an excise tax every year to renew our license plates. I want to do away with the excise tax on vehicles, all vehicles in the state of Indiana.

You shouldn't have to pay two separate taxes to the same government agency for the same product. Yes. Good. And so, you know, when you start to cut the taxes uh what would you do to cut government spending well that's a great question i'm so glad you asked that uh in the

right i bet you got a long list right well you know there's a real simple formula that i learned during the pandemic because our governor uh during uh during the pandemic because our governor during the pandemic was concerned that they might not raise all the revenue they were hoping for so he sent out a memo issued a directive to all state agencies all 50 plus state bureaucracies in the state of Indiana, instructing them to cut their spending level, cut their budget by 10% to 15%. When they did that, we ended up with a $6 billion surplus. And that's just out of the general fund spending.

That doesn't include the federal government money. So, my proposal is that on the first day that Donald Rainwater's administration is in the governor's office, we will issue a memo that says we're not in a pandemic, but we are in a financial crisis in the state of Indiana. People are suffering. People are hurting. Hoosiers are having to make decisions about how they will fill their gas tank, pay their mortgage, feed their kids, clothe their kids. And so we're going to cut across the board 10 to 15 percent, no cuts in entitlements. I will tell you that even as a libertarian, I believe that entitlements are the last things we touch. That's right. We usually come after that first.

First, you need to shut down a park, you know, because that's what invokes the people you love. Right, exactly. Absolutely. Here, let me show you what we're going to do if you try to take my money away from me. That's right. And it's not

their money it's our money we gave it to them actually they took it from us um but so much so my plan is uh during the first four years of my governorship my first term uh we will instruct all state agencies to cut their budget into 15% each year of the four years. I also know, as I mentioned earlier, that there's about a $10 billion vote in the state budget over the last four years. So I'm also going to go to the General Assembly and say, first of all, I would like you to freeze the budget. Secondly, I would like you to rewrite the budget to be equivalent to what it was in 2019. Let's reduce our state spending by $10 billion that it has blown up, ballooned in the last four years,

go back to 2019 spending levels, and then take that $10 billion and eliminate our state income tax. Because they say that if we got rid of the personal income tax in Indiana, it would cost $8 billion in revenue. So if I cut spending back to 2019 levels and reduce the budget by $10 billion, and if I reduce the revenue by $8 billion, that means I'll still have a $2 billion surplus as a result of cutting the budget and eliminating the state income tax. Because here again, you again, I believe firmly that the government should not are giving them a first right to our earned income.

And I believe here again that that's immoral and unethical. And I want to do it. So you'll notice I'm big on the idea that the government doesn't need all this money and that they're spending too much. And I've learned from being a little bit overweight that if i want to reduce my weight i have to reduce the food i put in my mouth because i am not going to be able to continue to cram food in my face and lose weight so we have to reduce the taxes you know it'd be great if we could say well we're going to reduce all this spending then we'll give people their money back the reality is is that our government at every level local county state

federal they are addicted to spending other people's money yes and the good news is that you point out since the pandemic uh they illustrate that they can do that it's not a theory uh they actually the governor comes out and says we're going to cut across the board everybody cut your budget by this amount they can all go find something that they uh can reduce their spending on they've already done it in that state. And so it's been demonstrated, it's been done, and they could do it again. And that's the key thing. It's good to hear somebody finally who focuses on the problems of the people, of the middle

class. It's good to hear somebody who is focused on just offering the opportunity for you to actually own property. That'd be the only state union where you could actually own property. And imagine the number of people that would move to Indiana. Yeah. And we wouldn't have a worker shortage anymore. That's right. Our small business owners and individual franchisees would have plenty of opportunity to staff

their businesses. Well, it's very important, and it's important for people to hear this everywhere, because you know that if when you propose this and you talk about it and you couch it in those terms where people can easily understand it, I think that that's an important thing that could be taken to other places as well. Because when you're talking about getting rid of the income tax, that was done here in Tennessee, and they wound up with a budget surplus even after they cut the state income tax. So we're not talking about theoreticals.

These are things that have already been done. The question is, does anybody really care to try to do this? Or do they want to just fall into the trap of voting for the big parties and never can think about voting for any independence or third parties. That's the real challenge for you, isn't it? Because as I've said, they play the games of ballot access and they play the game of debate access. If they had a debate that included you and the people of Indiana were able to

hear what you want to do with property taxes, uh, that would be huge. I would think that well they will be yeah yeah we are there are three debates scheduled we are guaranteed to be in two of the three and the third one we are waiting for um the the company is nextar. They own our Fox affiliate and our CBS affiliate. First they said I had to raise $100,000. So we got

out there and raised our $100,000. And now I think they're trying to wait to see if there's a poll that comes out where I have to poll under 10. I have to poll over 10% on a poll if it comes out, or they can exclude me. But I'm definitely in two of the three debates. We debated four years ago in two debates, and you're absolutely right. The number of people who have told me that they did not vote for me in 2020 because they didn't know who I was until they saw me in the debate after early voting started. because of exactly what you're talking about. The fact that people understand and believe that there are common sense, simple solutions to big government

and that we need to be drinking the size and scope of government if we want, for example, to fix our economy. The bald-faced truth is that the inflation that we currently are saddled with was caused by government spending, and not just Democrat spending or Republican spending, just government spending, period. It's all of their faults, and they all need to be held accountable. That's right. That's absolutely right.

Yeah, you're going to have to put that in there because they're not going to ask any questions about that. You're going to have to put that in there and say, here's why I'm running. I know that you want to ask me that. Here's why I'm running because I want people to be able to own their homes, and you can't own your home now. If you put something in there like that, that'd be a killer. I'm glad that you want people to be able to own their homes and you can't own your home now you know if you put something in there like that or that'd be a killer I'm glad that you're going to be in the debates I'm really am surprised because we've had situations when I was with the Libertarian Party in North Carolina you know we'd work so hard to get on the ballot there and then they would always exclude us from the debates and the debates at that point in time back in the early 90s are being run by the press association, the statewide press association.

They said, we don't want you on. You know, same thing that Fox is doing now, trying to move the goalposts on you and all the rest of this stuff. It truly is despicable. And when I, you know, in 2020, is everybody, oh, what about this election? It's like, yeah, of course, there's always they're always messing with the vote totals and anything. But the rigging of the election really begins with the media and the excluding people from the debates and with the excluding of people off of the ballots that you don't even have a choice. That's the key thing. So I'm glad you're going to be in two debates. That's excellent news.

And we've talked a lot about money, but you also have some other issues, and it kind of is the center of an event that you're going to be doing. In September, September the 14th, you've got an event coming up. People can go to rainwater4indiana.com, and they can get information about this event. You're also doing that with a candidate for Congress, and this is about the Second Amendment. Tell people a little information about this event. You're also doing that with a candidate for Congress. And this is about the Second Amendment. Tell people a little bit about that event. Well, we have a, in Terre Haute, Indiana, we have a small business owner who owns a gun shop in range, and he is throwing an event for us to fundraise.

Actually, the state party, the Libertarian Party of Indiana, is sponsoring the fundraising event there. And, you know, one of the things that is very important to me is the fact that I believe that the Second Amendment says shall not be infringed. And there's a period after that. There are no qualifications. It's not shall not be infringed unless you have a medical marijuana card or shall not be infringed unless we exercise our red flag laws against you. It says shall not be infringed unless we exercise our red flag laws against you. It says shall not be infringed. And so we are very fortunate after we ran in 2020, the Indiana General Assembly saw fit to pass constitutional carry in Indiana,

even though they had summarily for about a decade denied constitutional carry to Hoosiers. But after I spoke out fervently about it in 2020, they decided to go ahead and pass constitutional carry. Unfortunately, we do have red flag laws in the state of Indiana, which means that at any time the government can say, well, you're a member of this organization. We've determined that you all are brainwashed and have a mental defect and we're going to take your guns and then you have to go to court to get them back. I don't like red flag laws for that reason. I believe here again the Second Amendment gives us what we need to make sure that all

of the other amendments are upheld. You don't have the First Amendment without the Second. And so I believe that enforcing our right to keep and bear as Americans, as Hoosiers, need to take very seriously. Our government is too big. It is too powerful. And we are in a daily fight to maintain and regain our freedoms. I agree. We are not a free people as you said you madison said if you if you can't own property you are not free and therefore if we pay property taxes with the threat of it being

taken away from us if we get behind we are not truly free when the only uh the only schools that we are able to send our children to because we can't afford private school is the public school. And the government enforces that by making us pay taxes to fund the public school, whether we want to send our children there or not, we're not truly free. That's true. Yeah, when you talk about the red flag law, it is really a form of civil asset forfeiture, another abomination from our government. Absolutely.

To take something from you, you have no presumption of innocence. You have to prove that you're innocent to get this back and so forth. That's right. We have taxation without representation really we have regulation certainly without representation the important thing folks when we talk about third-party access and opening up the ballot is so that people can hear the types of things that you just heard from donald rainwater talking about a different way to fund the government talking about actually being able to own our homes and not be forced

out of them that is so important and if as he talked about the the gun issues in 2020 and brought them around to some of these issues that's the importance of actually having additional people on the ballot so that you can actually talk about issues and so that if they see support and if the people in indiana support donald rainwater because he wants you to be able to own a home that's going to put even if he doesn't win that's going to put a lot of pressure on these people to actually do something like this guy why is this guy uh so popular was it because of what he said about property taxes or whatever well then maybe we should do something about that so we don't lose our position it can be very effective way to bring pressure and if you don't do anything at all they're going to continue to

do what they've always done and that is to steal from you and make it a career for themselves it's so good talking to you and thank you for what you did in 2020 thank you for doing this again i'm very excited to hear that you're going to be in two debates. That's great. Nail them with that property tax. Absolutely. Thank you so much for having me. Thank you. And again, you go to rainwater4indiana.com, and you can find out about that. You can find out about the events that they've got coming up.

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