The David Knight Show - INTERVIEW Liberty in the Land of Tyranny — Importance of Community

Episode Date: June 1, 2023

Allen Stevo, RealStevo.com, from the front lines of tyranny in San Franciso on the importance of organizing and working collectively for individual liberty.Find out more about the show and where you can watch it atTheDavidKnightShow.com If you would like to support the show and our family please consider subscribing monthly here: SubscribeStar https://www.subscribestar.com/the-david-knight-showOr you can send a donation through Mail: David Knight POB 994 Kodak, TN 37764Zelle: @[e-mail] App at: $davidknightshowBTC to: bc1qkuec29hkuye4xse9unh7nptvu3y9qmv24vanh7Money is only what YOU hold: Go to DavidKnight.gold for great deals on physical gold/silverFor 10% off Gerald Celente's prescient Trends Journal, go to TrendsJournal.com and enter the code KNIGHTBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-david-knight-show--2653468/support.

What's funny is now is Alan Stevo. He's a best-selling author. Here's some of his books. Give you an idea of how important they are. Face Masks and One Lesson. Face Masks Hurt Kids. The Bitcoin Manifesto. And began back in 2012.

How to Win America for Ron Paul and the Cause of Freedom. So he's focused on liberty, As you can tell from his books, he writes for the Hill daily caller, Mises.org city journal, New York post, many others. And he launched his first Bitcoin startup back in 2013. Boy,

you time that right. So joining us now is Alan Stevo. Thank you for joining us, sir. Thank you, David, so much for your work. Thank you for having me. Oh, it's great to have you on now you're in california right downtown san francisco yes sir

oh wow you're the epicenter of a lot of these problems here tell us what you're seeing on the ground there in california from a liberty perspective are they getting over this uh this pandemic panic or is it still they still got the mask stuck on their faces there's there's a lot of people who are who are stuck in that as you can expect um and throughout pandemic panic or is it still, it's still got the mask stuck on their faces. There's, there's a lot of people who are, who are stuck in that as you can expect. And throughout this all, I've just been kind of encouraging people, you know you can, you can spend all your time focusing on the, the, the hyenas of the world, the, the Klaus Schwab types, the Bill Gates types. And if you spend too much time there, you got to know what they're doing, but if you spend too much time there, you're going to bum yourself out. You can spend a lot of time. There's this other group of people who are kind of sheep-like. I don't mean

to be pejorative with that, but they're just kind of looking to not stick their necks out and to try to stay with the folks around them, look for the best leader to follow. If you spend too much time looking at those folks, your neighbor who's wearing five masks still, and who's been jabbed 12 times, you're going to bum yourself out. You want to know what they're up to too, but, but if you can just kind of find the lions in your midst and help wake them up a little bit, help to encourage them, you're going to have really enjoyable moments overwhelmingly. And that's kind of what I'm focusing on a lot and seeing a lot. And this is people who three years ago would have not even worried about anything political,

would not even have asked questions about how the government's functioning, what's going on in local affairs. They're turning into these amazing grassroots warriors, and the establishment's starting to figure out they're not going away. And it's really special to be part of that and to be seeing that. Yeah, that's good. Yeah, it's difficult to get people to understand that even if you're not interested in politics and policy papers and stuff like that,

all those people are interested in you, and they're eventually going to tackle you to the ground and put a mask on your face. You know, who would have thought that would be the method of tyranny, but yeah, that's what we did see. And that it's been a big wake up call for a lot of people. And I hope they don't go back to sleep. I hope they don't feel like, well, now we've won. And I think it's especially true in places like San Francisco and the Pacific Northwest.

When I would travel, uh, up to Washington State and to Oregon, that would be where the people were most likely to recognize me. Because they're living in the midst of a very repressive, big government system, and they're searching for how do we fight back against this? And so it made sense to me as I thought about it. It becomes a very polarizing thing. It becomes a way to increase people's resistance to things in the same way that when you have repression of a communist government against churches or something, it drives them underground, but it makes them a lot stronger.

You know, if it doesn't kill them, it makes them stronger as the saying goes. And so I think it's the local area and it's got to be really hard to find people like that in San Francisco. Things like people who are going to be the sheriff. That's such an important thing. If we can focus around people like that, that can make a huge difference. It's difficult to do something at the state level in California because the state is so big and so far left, but maybe at a local level. Absolutely, absolutely. And this, you know,

you bring up the, you bring up the, the churches there, this, this closing down to the churches. I, I had a chance for a few years after college to live in former Czechoslovakia, in former communist Czechoslovakia. And I, czechoslovakia and i uh i constantly i couldn't answer this question of of what what is it that caused such a prosperous place to turn into this abject communism and such really heavy-handed totalitarianism communism really really ugly some of the stuff that happened there and uh it i, it, I left there saying, you know, one day I want to just kind of understand, you know, what's going on. And, and there was a difference between there and the U S and it wasn't the second amendment. Um, I don't, I didn't perceive that as the

necessary difference. I think guns are super important for, for protecting from tyrants, but what I perceived as the key difference was, uh, the church and in the U S almost the entire world, the wealthier a country gets, the less likely people are to go to church. Um, and the U S is very different in that regard that for whatever reason, as people get wealthier in the U S church church attendance does not drop off i don't know what that is um but it's something special about the u.s and um when the ides of march 2020 came the church is closed down that it was kind of a yeah it was a potent wake-up call to me that uh that that institution that i thought was going to be there is becoming

super compliant not not not a bulwark but super compliant um that's right and i've watched you bring up the sheriff topic uh yeah and let me say before we get off the churches you know and what has happened is you see that these churches that closed down and stayed closed down some of them closed down because i thought well it's just a real emergency let's just and then after a few weeks they start to realize wait a minute now this isn't what they said it is and then as they ramped up the uh regulations you had a lot of them saying what they're telling us that we can't we can get together if we wear masks and we stay apart and have only a certain percentage but they're telling us we can't sing all right we're done we're not going to do that

anymore so there was this whole spectrum of different reactions to it. But I think the churches that really grew, the stronger their reaction was against this kind of dictate, the stronger those churches came out on the back end. And the churches that complied with it and continued to comply with it, they were weakened on the back end. And so that's been kind of a sifting and a sorting there as well. So it strengthened some of them, and it showed the others what it was really about. And so I think that's an important part of it as well. But yeah, talking about it, as a matter of fact, there in California, you've got Calvary

Chapel, they're still getting hit with fines. They're still coming after them with fines. Some of the places, like in L.A., I remember, had massive fines against the big church there that John MacArthur has, and they won, and they got those fines taken care of and their legal fees taken care of. But I was surprised to see they're still coming after, I think, where is it, San Jose or something, the Calvary Chapel church in San Jose?

Still coming after them to try to collect these fines. In in san jose there that's the the center of silicon valley uh people who don't know california geography that's that's called santa clara county that's right the if the local population hated all the health mandates and they don't it wouldn't matter but there's there's quite a vocal minority there um but it just wouldn't matter because there's such a dynamic there where the big tech organizations they want their public health department experimental they want their public health department very eager to control things and they almost seem to like the compliance mentality that is established by the public health department. So that- Oh, they have to do. Yeah, you look at the people who push universal basic income. And what is that? Well, that's how they keep us under control, as Bloomberg

said, right? They want the system of universal Marxism where they take everything from us. They keep us pacified with some kind of uh just a very basic income and you see all these people in silicon valley rally around andrew yang had elon musk a big supporter of his i think peter thiel was but it's all these silicon valley billionaires they love that control george gilder calls them neo-marxist because of that kind of stuff so yeah i understand exactly where those people are coming from. So that specific one that you speak of, you raise a great point bringing up Calvary Chapel San Jose because of that location.

And I think that public health department is not going to back down on that one. They're going to want to fight that until they're proven woefully wrong. I grew in my faith because of 2020. I look back on this as I would go to a church very close to me, a big, big, beautiful church, and they would preach. It wasn't the right place for me.

They'd preach gun control from the pulpit more than they'd say Jesus' name. And I went there because it was convenient. And that was it. I lived a busy life and it was near my home. And that was, I just wanted to be somewhere praising the Lord on Sundays. And if it wasn't perfect, whatever. I ended up, I drive the closest church I found. I didn't know about Calvary San Jose at the beginning.

The closest church I found that was open was three hours away from me. Wow. That was the first church I walked into. It was open. Wow. And I haven't left there since I drive three hours each way on Sunday because it means so much to me that, that, that little church in the middle of nowhere, they said, we're going to stand up against Big Bad Newsome. And we've had through into that little church, we've brought speakers like Simone Gold of America's Frontline Doctors or Arthur Palowski, the preacher from Canada. And it's a tiny little church, and just that decision to stay open,

just to speak to what you said, David. I remember when this whole thing kicked off, you know, middle of March, and it had been going on for a couple of weeks, and had been talking about it. You know, John Rapoport was on it from the very beginning. He said, hey, look, we've got two weeks worth of data from Italy. It's just old people dying in the usual way. What we're saying, they have multiple comorbidities and they're past the average age of life expectancy, but they're calling this a pandemic.

And so he was on that from the very beginning. I remember he came on and it was a couple of weeks still before Easter. And he said, the way we stop this now is if the churches will take what they believe seriously, if they will show up for Easter, keep the churches open on Easter, the two days that people are most likely to go to church is on Christmas day and on Easter. If they keep the churches open in defiance of this and nobody and people can see that they didn't all die, but to keep the churches open because they're not afraid of death, because they really believe what they say. And so that was an opportunity that was missed, unfortunately, by so many places.

But you're right. If you can find a church like that where they really live what they say they believe, we've always had churches who have stayed open throughout the worst kinds of pandemics, real pandemics in Europe. They never closed the doors. We never closed. We've had big pandemics in the past, so we never closed the doors to churches. And the worst part of it is that you had unelected bureaucrats telling you you can't meet and uh that that was by design it truly was a litmus test i think david may make an activism request for your uh audience real quickly yeah if if to you listening right now and to david to david as well perhaps if i don't want you to necessarily hold a grudge against those who closed down.

There were people who were scared and they might even still be scared, but that's a different story if you're still scared in 2023. But I would like you please to have that sober conversation with your pastor. Right now, if that happened again, what would you do? And you need a real clear answer that that will never happen, that they will never close down again for any reason. That's what you need right now. I personally do hold some grudges against those who close down. I don't want you to hold those same grudges. I'm not trying to encourage that kind of grudge. I do think that conversation has to happen though.

And the only reason I really hold those grudges is because I continue to see people copying out of those conversations. And I just think that's important to have, and you should probably have yourself at a church where they're going to stand, stand up next time that happens. I agree. And I think it's a real, you know, as I said, it's not a grudge situation, yourself at a church where they're going to stand stand up next time that happens i agree and i i think it's a real you know as i said it's not a grudge situation but you just want to know that they're going to live out what they believe you know and what do they trust in right do they trust in uh masks to protect them uh do they trust in god are they willing to do the types of things

that christians always have you know we had hospitals, first hospitals were being done by Christian churches, by doctors who were not afraid of it. I had this story that I mentioned many times to people, trying to encourage the churches to have some courage about this and to not be afraid of it. When I was young, they thought that I had meningitis. They thought I was going to die. They kept everybody out, including my parents. But the pastor of my church came in to visit with me. Oh, praise the Lord. thought I was going to die. They kept everybody out, including my parents. But the pastor of my church came in to visit.

Oh, praise the Lord. He wasn't afraid to die. Praise the Lord. Yeah. He really came in to visit you, huh? Yeah. Yeah. That's beautiful.

It was. He wasn't afraid to die because he knew. He had a confident expectation. And what lay ahead. And so that's how old were you about? You were like eight. You were like 12. Oh, no, I was like five years old.

It made a lifetime impression on me. It really did. Wow. Were you old enough at five to recognize what was happening? You think? Oh, yeah. Yeah. It was everybody was thinking that I was going to die.

You know, they misdiagnose viral meningitis many times with other things. So I guess they erred on the side of caution, that type of thing. But my parents were freaking out. I knew that was happening. And I was in solitary confinement. And nobody would come in there except the pastor. It was amazing. It is a beautiful story yeah yeah and

so i told people that i said you know why did he do that and what did it teach me as a young child about genuine faith and that's what we need to be looking for in the churches that we attend authenticity genuine faith they're trusting in god They're not trusting in their vaccines or their medicines or their masks or their public health directors. They're trusting in God because they genuinely believe that. And they're not playing church. Well said. Well said. Well, what is happening there politically?

There's a sheriff's race there that you contact me about. Tell us about that because the sheriff's race is really, really big. You know, they have all the local offices. That is the key one. And so what is happening there that you see with the sheriff's race? Tell people about that story. It's amazing. So I go, I spend quite a bit of time going up and down the California coast, helping to organize groups, getting activists more prepared to do the things they want to be doing in life.

And just some real heroes emerge over and over again. One of them is named Ann Colton. Ann, A-N- named on Colton, um, on a N H not an on, she comes from, uh, Southeast Asia, originally, uh,

immigrant from a communist country and, uh, that gives you a backbone, doesn't it? Yeah. Those people can know what's happening a mile away because they lived under it. They, Oh, I recognize this and they see it way before we do here in this country

um on's a homeschool mom uh on's a christian and she's not just a christian she's she's the one in the room who will speak up every time you know something something's not not right in the room she's she's she's gonna speak up and uh she uh she felt called to run to run for sheriff um and in california now some some of your listeners might not like this detail here in california In California, there's a protection in place, a protection for law enforcement, I'll say. Just like there was a time where an outsider ran for sheriff about 40 years ago and became this really popular sheriff. And he reformed how jails were run and things like that. And the law enforcement, the law enforcement lobby said, listen, the doctors, the doctors get to have their union, right? Their union where they say who's allowed to practice medicine, who isn't.

And the lawyers get to have their union and they don't call it a union, but that's what it is, where they, anyone who's not in the union, you're going to go to jail if you try to uh heal someone you're going to go to jail if you try to go represent someone in court the lawyers get to have their union to say who can be in and out more like a law enforcement it's more like a isn't it it's more like a guild isn't that's it yes medieval guild yeah um and the um law enforcement said we want to make sure only our kind get to run for run for sheriff so uh on on said i'm running for sheriff and the da the da at this point says she had no law enforcement experience uh on said i'm running for sheriff and she she ran without this law enforcement experience and the da came to her and said hey you got to drop out of this race and this is the ballots already printed the the stuff's already

there and she said i'm running i'm running and uh on on for quite a few months struggled with this. She believed God was calling her to run. And she didn't want to, she just still felt called. She was supposed to run that says only law enforcement can run, the state legislature once upon a time said, fine, we'll give you that law, but we're not putting any teeth into it. You're not going to be able to put anyone in jail over this. You're not going to be able to pull anyone in court over this. It's a law. And there's many, many laws like this, but they have no teeth. You can do nothing with the law. Hey, Dr. Fauci, you violated a bunch of laws. Oh, well, those laws have no teeth. What are you going to do to me?

And there's way he violated laws that do have teeth too. I don't mean to compare her to Fauci, but just to say that there are many laws that don't have teeth. And we know that. So the DA manipulated the situation so that he can go after her with perjury. So they're trying to put her in jail for four years because she ran for sheriff incorrectly. And it's not, I estimate a million cases of perjury, instances of perjury happen a day in the U.S., whether it be with private documents, government documents, or in court where individual instances of people lying now it's a complicated document and you don't see the clause there and that's how they trap you up exactly like you know uh you you when you talk to the fbi we find something factually wrong like

martha stewart they didn't send her to jail for insider trading they sent her to jail because they claimed that she had lied to the fbi that type of thing so that is a very serious charge is this a soros district attorney one of our listeners wanted to ask uh it's uh it's not a soros district attorney but it could it could be it's a big tech district attorney it's he's been there before soros since before soros started that movement but he's and he is going after her precisely because she would show up at these forums and she'd say the things that were very unpopular. You know, she'd say, she'd say things about illegal immigration. She's a legal, legal, legitimate immigrant. She would say,

she'd say all the gamut of things that you don't expect the establishment candidate to say um this is why they're going after her wow wow that's a chance so where is it at this point in time what is the status of the case yes yes she's been arraigned okay she's been arraigned she's been uh she is going to appear back in court in early july Santa Clara County, in San Jose. Wow. Well, if she wants some attention for her case, I'd be happy to give that to her. I know that if somebody is under an illegal trial or something,

it's not wise typically for them to talk about it. But if she's got a lawyer and the lawyer wants to talk about it, and frequently the lawyers do, I'd be happy to talk about that case. That's something that needs to have a lot of attention because she's going to need to have some help and some eyes on this nationally i think so yeah if you know her let her know and and let her know that i'd be happy to talk to uh uh to her lawyer all right she could be there with her lawyer if she wants to do that but i'd be happy to to give some attention to her

case that's that's really amazing but that is a key thing. You know, it's, it is, I think some of the best sheriffs would be the people who don't have any law enforcement because they have seen perhaps the other side of it. And that's a perspective needs to be there. And clearly, you know, policy is being set by the sheriff. And he's not going out there and actually, you know, doing the enforcement typically. It's going to be his deputies. it's going to be a position or, or she, it's going to be a position where they're setting policy. Oh, right. That that's a well said there.

They do, they do decide what gets to be implemented. So what do you think, uh, is the, is the answer for us? I think you're, you're focused on local things there in California. What are some of the things that you found that work? Because again, we don't want to just complain about what the system is. We want to give some people some ideas of things that they can do at the local level. What, what is it that you think is a priority for people to focus on? Yeah, absolutely. Thank you. Thank you for that. I don't, I don't like complaining either. And there's, I mean, it's California. I can, about a lot of things. And part of it, I think,

part of what I have seen in communist lands I've visited and studied is that part of it is to encourage a brain drain to other places. Even though the state is to own your brain and things like that, if you're a little bit too much of a troublemaker, they kind of want you in jail or they want you to leave. And California is increasingly behaving that way. It's encouraging people to migrate away. I think if one were to choose the most magnificent front line to be fighting on right now, the most magnificent front line to protect America from, I would choose California right now. And I don't pretend that there's bullets flying. It's not a kinetic war, but there's a psychological war happening. There's a spiritual war happening.

And I think that I'm in such, I am so honored that I get to be in this situation that I'm in. Oh yeah. I have no, no, no chance that I'm, I'm, I'm fleeing the front line. And, and, uh,

if, if there were bullets flying and a friend of mine moved away from the front line, instead of fighting next to me, no friend of mine would ever do that. I know that, but it's easier when there's not bullets flying to say, I'm just going to move away.

I'm going to go fight the fight somewhere else. Um, the, uh, the thing people always say to themselves, you know, uh, yeah,

I don't want to have this fight, but, but you know, if things get really serious, then I'll get involved. Of course they won't, you know, the more serious they become,

the less likely they are. It's the same type of thing where it's like, well, you know, uh, this may be betraying my principles and it may be a betrayal of what I promised when I ran for office, but I got to play 40 chess and, uh, eventually we're going to come back and I'll do the right thing. But the most important thing is right now I've got to win.

I've got to stay in office or whatever. Once you start making those compromises, then you're going to continue to make those compromises, especially when things get more, uh, difficult. You're going to, you're going to, you've already done it once. You started down that path of least resistance and you're going to stay on that path. So yeah, right there at the front lines or where you are, you mentioned how the communists would typically put people in jail or

expunge them from the, you know, purge them out of the country. That's what they did to Solzhenitsyn. You know, first they put him in the gulag for a long time and then they said, okay, now we're going to just throw you out of the country because I guess it was, uh, it was building the, the, the fact that he was in prison was building his reputation.

So they just kicked him out. And most people would break in that situation. They don't, you know, some small percentage of people don't break and then you got to still deal with them. Yeah, that's true yeah what uh what types of things uh other lessons could you uh tell us from what you've seen there on the front lines the uh and with what i just said some of your listeners have they've fled places like california and i don't want to when you move when you move to a better, I just think it's important not to take the apathy, the inaction with you. It's not just the, the blue state people moving to your special place

that make it a bad place. It is the silent majority. If you ask me being silent, that is part of the problem instead of standing on their values. And, you know, as simple as, I don't know, maybe if Target's a big deal to you right now, then maybe it's worth a quick call to Target headquarters. It's going to take you about three minutes to figure out their phone number. And just that they know, just that they know you're not silent, but that you have an opinion too. And that's not my most important point about, it's not a big deal to me. It's just the issue in the media right now, how easy it is to quickly voice your opinion.

The, when in the situation I'm in, and I think the situation that many people are in, if you can be looking around you and saying to yourself, who is like me around me? If you can just kind of always, I think this is almost the most important thing you can be doing anywhere you live if you care about liberty. Just asking yourself, who that I'm encountering over the course of the day is like me. And when you're the masks were kind of a blessing, because if you were walking around and someone was unmasked in a setting where, you know, there was everyone must comply, where there was a compliance checkpoint and everything, you knew automatically that that's my kind of person. I hope you spoke to that person. I hope you got their phone number. I hope you said, let's go have cucumber sandwiches. Let's go to the park. Let's go have our kids hang out. Let's whatever goofy reason you can come up with to want to hang out. And I want you to do that now. I want you to be looking for people like you and saying,

Hey, how do I keep in touch with you? And I know it's a weird thing to do, but you just have to be the community builder right now. You have to be saying to yourself, hey, how do I keep in touch with you? And I think any liberty-loving person right now, once a month, twice a month, you should be coming up with some excuse to get together with people like you. And whatever that excuse is, it doesn't matter. Just get together. And your list of three people, two people, it's going to turn to 20 or 30 people before you know it. People are going to be friends. And you don't have to be an expert in anything. You don't have to plan any activism. You just get people together and you get those right people together. Before you know it, they're going to be, Hey, this just happened to me.

What do you guys think of that? Oh, well, let's go all three of us over there to talk to that manager right now. Let's go all 20 of us over there to talk to that manager right now. That's going to happen before you know it, just by getting them together, you will have been promoting Liberty in such tremendous way. If you can invite, if you can introduce five people to each other this year who didn't know each other otherwise, you will be doing phenomenal things for liberty this year. That's right. Yeah, that's what Jack Lawson talks about in his book.

He said, you know, we get together in the neighborhood and, you know, we just get together for a social event or whatever, but you start to get to know people who are going to be like-minded, people who are interested in saying, well, you know, when everything hits the fan, what are we going to do to protect ourselves around here? That type of stuff. And, uh, and it

gradually builds from that. And, um, and, uh, but it's just getting involved with people, uh, at the local level in his particular case, he's kind of focusing on people who are geographically close, but yeah, if you, especially during this last three years, you see somebody without a mask, uh, probably should have run. Of course, I didn't see too many people that were like that where we were, but somebody who's not wearing a mask, you go over and try to get their phone number. That's a great idea. I love that. Love that idea. Yeah, go ahead. This thrust in modernity is so, so much says to us right now. And I think COVID-19, it's not a exception. Some people like to point it as like, wow, that was such a big exception to the past.

We've never done anything like this before. I think the truth is for many decades in the United States specifically, there's been this push toward modernity where we are to, you know, when you go to the grocery store and you check out, there's a human being there checking you out and you are supposed to perceive them much like you perceive an ATM machine or much as you perceive a bubble gum machine, a gum ball machine, where you say, I give it this input, I get that output reliably and that's how the interaction's supposed to go and you know that person's until there's smart enough computers to replace that person that's what it's going to be and uh and that's inculcated from us from a very

young age you know and then this this parent this increasing paranoia throughout my entire life largely kind of in a organically in the sense that local news people would watch the local news they would always lead with a bleeding story right and it could be a crime that was committed across the country but they would pick it up and they would talk about it so be this perception that you're living in this crime ridden area and everybody starts getting increasingly paranoid we're afraid to to go out They would talk about it. So it would be this perception that you're living in this crime-ridden area, and everybody starts getting increasingly paranoid. We're afraid to go out and go trick-or-treating. We're afraid to have our kids go anywhere.

You know, when I was little, we went everywhere. And, you know, we had bicycles, and we went all kinds of places. But that was, you know, shrinking up, and now you don't see any kids out playing in the yards or doing anything. And sometimes if you do, they get CPS called on them. up and now you don't see any kids out and the playing in the yards or doing anything. And sometimes if you do, they get CPS called on them. And so there's been this kind of withdrawal, everybody staying in their house, everybody being isolated and technology has only accelerated that. And that is also another thing coming out of Silicon Valley. The fact that they want to have

us all connected only through their portals that they can watch and control everything that we're doing. And I think that is by design, but it is certainly a bad experience, uh, to, and it really escalated during the lockdown. The fact that people are going to be disconnected from each other and connected only through, uh, the technological channels that they provide for us. And this here, what you just said, the real fight against this Corona communism that came into place around the Ides of March 2020, I believe the real fight there, we can focus on individual mandates and we can focus on who's in office. These are useful things to focus on. But the broad picture there is what you've just described, that there is this absence of community and connectedness that has become an increasing kind of encouragement from the world to let mom die alone, to Thanksgiving is an evil thing. Being with family is an evil thing, right? There's all these pushes that became more magnified in COVID-19, but existed.

And when I say, get the number of the person similar to you, and then be that person who makes sure you get a few folks together once a month or so, twice a month. When I'm saying that, I'm asking you to take this bigger picture and to start rebuilding that community. That's right. Yeah. When you look at some of the ridiculous and hypocritical restrictions that they had, okay, you can go to a casino, but you can't go to church, right? And that went to the Supreme Court, and Neil Gorsuch was just talking about that. Well, what is it? If you look at the – there certainly isn't any medical reason for that

to distinguish between those two, but you can go to a casino because you can sit there and interact with a slot machine, but you don't want to go to church because then you're going to be interacting with humans. That was the real agenda behind all of this stuff, the isolation of each and every one of us because that's the way that they control us is uh when they cut us off from everybody else and so we need to create a herd that has immunity against that don't we yes and this is this is a danger i i tend to put myself in a libertarian or conservative uh camp um and this is the when you take some of those ideas to an

extreme there is this uh ultra focus on the individual that can leave you a lone wolf when really like the the idea of individual rights it's within the context of the community. And how can you, if you are merely a lone wolf, you are just waiting for the opportunity for someone to come along and take those rights from you. If you recognize yourself in the context of community, if you're constantly building those networks around you, then it's just not going to happen. You're there to protect others. They're there to protect others they're there to protect you that's right yeah i remember an interview i had once with jayward griffin and he said yeah we need that as libertarians people value individual liberty we need to learn how to act collectively for individual liberty and that's a hard thing for us to understand the the left

because they're always talking about uh you and collective that. They call themselves communitarians and so forth. But it's really not a solution, just as we saw with public health. Public health is not about the health of the individual. If you focus on the health of the individuals as individuals, then you will have public health. You'll have a healthy community of healthy individuals. But if you focus on this abstraction of quote unquote public health, that is a license for these people to run roughshod over each and every person. That's what I was saying throughout this whole lockdown.

It's like if you're going to trash the individual health of each individual, you don't have any, you know, this public health thing is just a useful abstraction for control of people. And that's, I like this word abstraction you're using. This is when I, there's a common public health degree is MPH master of public health. I challenge, I challenge any member of your audience to find anyone with an MPH degree. I know one person, I know one person that fits this. I challenge a member of your audience to find anyone with an MPH degree who is not heavily indoctrinated in Marxism or some very similar view of the world. Public health is, from its

very roots in the 1870s, 1880s, is meant to be an attack on individual liberty. That is, it is not about health. It is about using that in order to attack the individual. Yeah. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, that's the way they do it. You know, the communists say, yeah, we're going to do everything for the common good. Know from each according to his ability to each according to his need.

That sounds wonderful. You ask a lot of people, you know, where did that come from? Doesn't that come from the Bible or something? It sounds like a great principle, but it doesn't work because it's all about empowering an elite group of people, you know, in a particular case like these. That's their religion, you know, but it's a false religion and they don't live up to it, right?

Well, what's a, uh, well, what other things have you found in terms of that might be helpful in terms of, um, uh, local organization?

Yeah, there's, um, this in, uh, late, late 2020, uh,

a friend of mine who spends half of his year in Portland, half of his year in Puerto Rico. of his year in Puerto Rico, he said, hey, are you involved with this group, People's Rights? And I said, I have no idea what you're talking about. And this guy, he gets me involved in all kinds of stuff, and he is three steps ahead of me on the next cool thing. And a lot of people think I'm like really early to the next cool thing. This guy's really, he's my source for how to get the next cool thing. And he just, every few months he'll say, are you involved in this yet? And so he mentioned this peoplesrights.org to me. And so it's not my organization.

It's an organization I became involved with. And I found them. I've really, I've interacted with hundreds of organizers and thousands of activists and individuals and people just trying to get through the checkpoint and trying to see their doctor with no mask and things like this since the ides of march 2020 um lots lots of my readers are constantly asking you know write me with what do i do about this thing now and um so this peoplesrights.org it's not it doesn't have a specific political agenda. It's not trying to do anything to organize people to go rally around a cause other than if government ceases to protect your rights and we know government has long ago ceased to protect rights government exists almost entirely to to seize our rights at this point um the if government ceases to protect your rights then you can't be alone you need to have some insurance policy you need to have some insurance policy. You need to have some mechanism to be protective of your own rights.

It is incumbent upon you to protect your rights. So if government is not who you can turn to, if that phone call to 911 is almost pointless in certain situations, then you need neighbors that you can turn to. Yeah, I talked to Eamon Bundy about that because I think he started that up in Idaho. I talked to him about that in 2020 and I thought it's a great idea and it really did work well up in Idaho when they have somebody, you know, they have a medical kidnapping case or

something like that where, you know, somebody's had a baby and they, well, you know, we want the baby vaccinated and you don't want a baby so we're going to take the baby away from you or something like that. They would put out a call and everybody would show up and they would start to protest and they would get these people to back down and um so it's very effective does it work well in your area because i signed up for it when i was in texas and i never heard anything from anybody and i didn't have the time to take over i know that they've decentralized

this and he didn't want to run some kind of a national organization. So he just wanted to set this thing up and say, Hey, you can sign up for this here and you can sign up to be a coordinator and all this other kind of stuff. And, you know, we'll get in touch with you if there's something I never heard anything back

from them on that. But I imagine, you know, in Idaho they did, and it's all very dependent on whoever the local coordinator is. And if they want to get active, is it working there in your area there in California? It works where there's coordinators who step up and in with what you just described there's so many people i bet i bet if i looked at your area right now i bet i'd find

100 200 300 people who've signed up and there's probably no local organizer that's the only reason or maybe someone stepped up as an organizer and not doing anything. There is just anyone listening to this. I think you should sign up for the organization. I think you should consider it insurance policy, peoplesrights.org. I think you should say to yourself, if I don't have a local organizer right now, I'm going to go do it and have a meeting, get, send a note out, say, get some people together once a month for whatever, whatever your excuses, whatever hobby you're into, just, just put a note, a note out saying, Hey, come do this hobby of mine with me. Let's, let's get together and meet each other. And you do that. You do that a few times. You're going to start to get a personality for who's

interested in, in things locally. And the goal of the organization is 10 neighbors in 10 minutes. That 10 minutes after you put a call out, hey, public health just showed up to close down my business. I closed the door and told them, give me a few minutes. Can you guys show up and help me? 10 minutes after you put a call out, you're supposed to be able to have 10 neighbors there. And it takes a lot of organizing to make that happen. But it is in my neck of the woods, we have a strong people's rights group i don't know if we get 10 people in 10 minutes probably the right situation we could um but it takes it takes a lot of organizing to get there it takes a lot of building it takes a lot of community time to do

that that's right um yeah it's a it's a there's nobody's going to do it for you at a national level and and again it was a great idea that Ammon had, they had it working very effectively in their area, but it, it does require you to be the crew and that's it. You know, it's like a Buckminster Fuller said, there's, there's, uh, no passengers on spaceship earth while on spaceship Liberty, there's, there's no passengers, everybody's crew, or you don't have it, you know, the whole thing just crashes and burns. So, uh, you gotta be the crew to make these things work. It reminded me very much of homeschool legal defense association.

Uh, that was a little bit different. You paid to be in that. And you had, uh, if you had a situation where somebody, uh, you know, attacks you because you're homeschooling or something like that, some kind of a CPS attack, uh, they would give you legal advice, they would actually, you could call them up and they would be there on the phone and they would talk to the people and say, now you got to lay off and they would actually give you legal advice. They would actually, you could call them up and they would be there on the phone and they would talk to the people and say, now you got to lay off and they would actually give you legal representation.

And so it was a collective thing like that. And, um, you know, maybe that is the missing, uh, thing on the people's right to rights.org. Maybe they need to have some kind of a financial skin in the game to help

people to organize this. I don't know, but it is a great idea. I agree with you. You've, uh, just recently worked on something, the case for Robert Kennedy, you said, and you got a PDF copy of that where people can find that at realstevo.com. That's S-T-E-V-O, realstevo.com. Let's talk a little bit about Robert Kennedy. I agree with him on so many different things on CBDC.

And specifically, let me say real quick, if you go to realstevo.com, you can sign up for my daily email newsletter. I'll send you encouraging emails every day. But if you go to, let me give you the URL to get the, you can get this book for free on PDF from me, realstevo.com slash case, C-A-S-E. And the book is The Case for Robert Kennedy, so that's why it's Case. If you go there, I'll give you a PDF of the book for free. You can get it on Amazon, too, but if you want the PDF for free, take it. Let's talk about it because, you know, Gerald Flinty that I talk to frequently is a big fan of him

because of the war issues and things. I agree and appreciate the fact that he's spoken out on CBDC, and I think it's very important that we've got people in both political parties speaking out against that. He's been there on the jab stuff on CIA, of course, and now talking about free speech. But on the other side of that, and let me ask you about this since you've written a book on him. And I said this from the very beginning. I said, you know, but it was like 10 or 15 years ago. And climate is a big issue for me because I see that as an opportunity for them to take everything away from us using the scare tactics of the climate.

It's amazing how similar that is to what has been done with the pandemic. As a matter of fact, I call them both MacGuffins because it really is just, they got the same, same objectives, but they just give you a different motivating factor. And with climate i fought with these people to try to get their i was with a group that tried to get their data you

know okay you've done this research and we're creating public policy on this you've already published it let me see your data nope can't have it and so a lot of the similar stuff that we saw with all the uh the pandemic lockdowns and everything and so there's other issues with rfk in terms junior in terms of things like climate in terms of things like guns And so there's other issues with RFK Jr. in terms of things like climate, in terms of things like guns. Of course, there's other issues that are important to me, like abortion, parental rights and religious rights versus the attacks that are coming from the LGBT. I'm not really sure where he is on those things, but especially starting with the free speech thing, I wish that he would come out and clarify that and say

that he disowns those remarks about locking people up that are climate deniers and things like that in in the past what what is your take on what's your read on that i know that he he very well may have changed because of all the censorship the things and the attacks that were done to him over free speech but he needs to say it i think may i uh may i speak generally about objections to him and then get specific about this one sure um the so i believe um i like donald trump for 20 for 2024 that's i want i want to see to some i'm going to sound crazy right now i I want to see Donald Trump get his third term in 2024. I think that's good for the American people. And I'm not trying to say Donald Trump's president right now.

I'm not making that argument. But I believe the 2020 election cannot be, it is not a legitimate election that took place. And that's from watching elections in many countries, observing elections in many states over 30 years now. I like Trump in 2024. If I am to look at the political terrain, what happens all the time is that we have globalist shill number one versus globalist shill number two. And that's what every election year looks like for many years in the past, going back many years. And I want to see American dinner table candidate number one versus American dinner table candidate number two. I have watched how Trump running has been so formative on the Republican Party. The Republican Party is structured in a way that makes it ideal for takeover by the grassroots.

The Democrat Party is structured in such a way that makes it very resilient to take over by the grassroots, unfortunately. But Trump has inspired people in a way that I've not seen in some time to go be that grassroots, to go take over their local parties. And that's happening in a lot of ways. And I believe RFK, RFK Jr., being the Democrat nominee will have a similar impact on the Democrat party. There's lots of reasons that I can say RFK is not my dude. But if I'm to look at the landscape and I imagine a future where it's trump and rfk challenging each other this is going to be it will reshape the political landscape and pull it away from this globalist shill model that that has become the norm so that's that's my general that's my general argument even though there's many reasons to disagree with the guy now should we go into the global warming a little sure yeah yeah because i'm you know and my audience knows that i'm not i was done with

trump in 2020 uh yeah it's like i can't forget that i can't yeah look past that uh it was total you know you can look at it as either total betrayal or a total failure by him of uh having any spine to stand up to anything agreed it was it was such a failure uh i could not support him again so that's why i'm looking at other you know uh what policies that are out there again i think as we spent most of the time talking can i agree with you the worst the i believe the worst year in american history arguably worse than what happened during a single year of the civil war, took place in 2020 under Trump's leadership. I want to agree with you entirely.

Huge, huge failure. I agree. Yeah. But, you know, and again, we spent a lot of time talking about local activism and other things, you know, peoplesrights.org, that type of stuff, I think, is really what we need to focus our efforts on. But I think we need to understand, you know, where the threat is going to be coming. And I think it's a different type of threat, depending on who is going to be our efforts on. But I think we need to understand, you know, where the threat is going to be coming. And I think it's a different type of threat depending on who is going to be winning

the election. And I think it's important for us to have a discussion about the policies as well. So yeah, go ahead and tell us a little bit about the individual issues or whatever you want to talk about with RFK. Go ahead. You've got the floor. And this, to speak to your local organizing, the impact I've seen of Trump has been inspiring people locally to be more involved. And the involvement I've seen after that, one woman came to me, for example, a huge San Francisco liberal, total atheist, militant atheist. She said to me one day, in 2020 came to trump in 2021 i came to jesus this impact i see at the grassroots i think is very important um rfk has a similar kind of grassroots inspiring way uh for the most idealist idealistic people and uh a lot of those folks have said politics is not worth it previously and they're being encouraged back in and i think that's good for

the good for all of us i think yeah um yeah well i think it's good you know when he when he takes the the broader sweep where he talks about the out of control bureaucracy and he talks about corporatism and that type of thing, you know, big pharma. And that really is what he's focusing on. I think that is a very good thing for people to hear. He's, um, even though he has difficulty speaking, he's a very eloquent speaker. If you look at the content that he has to say, I thought it was interesting when he was being interviewed, I think it was Russell Brand who interviewed him. And he said, I talked to Ron DeSantis and he said he wanted to burn the CDC and the NIH to the ground. And I thought,

well, that's kind of interesting. And he said, but I would take a more surgical approach. I thought, yeah, that is kind of a more of a Democrat way of looking at it. Let's preserve the institutions and try to reform them, but we got to keep them there. And then Ron DeSantis' reply to that, he said, well, I was actually much harsher than that in my comments. He didn't even back down on any of that. He said, I was much harsher than that. And RFKJ replied to it and he says, that's true. And so there is a kind of openness and an integrity that's there with RFKJ to come back and say, yeah, that's true. And so there is a kind of openness and an integrity that's there with RFKJ to come back and say, yeah, that's true. He really, that's what he said. And, you know, not this kind of partisan hatred that you see or mocking that is so characteristic in so many different ways.

So I think that's interesting to have those kinds of conversations. it is an interesting approach as somebody that has fought this, uh, the pharmaceutical industry, the vaccine mandates and that type of thing so hard to come back and say, well, I think I can still reform these things. I don't know. That's kind of interesting. What do you think of that? What's your, and, and his, he says the same about the CIA that killed his uncle when he's nine years old, kills his dad when he's 14 years old, right? He grows up with no dad. He goes through the next decades of his life with a lot of difficulty. He had a lot of support around him.

You know, he's a Kennedy. He had the trust fund and everything. But just imagine. That can be a snare, you know. That is a bad thing to have that much wealth and fame and everything. That's a, yet another type of test that's put onto you as well. And, and he really did struggle with that, but yeah, that is interesting. Cause he did say the same thing about the CIA.

Yeah. I wouldn't burn it to the ground. I would change it. So he sees, he sees the evils in the system certainly um and i think i think all of us come around at our own point to to how much we're able to reform and how much needs to be burned to the ground and uh i i think that he's i think sometimes he uh speaks about things being burned to the ground and sometimes he's really more of a reform kind of guy and that that's just like you said, that's a Democrat kind of perspective. I don't expect him. He also talks about FDR being great. I got right next to me, I'm teaching a class today. It's

starting today. It's Conceived in Liberty by Murray Rothbard. This is the most radical representation of what happened at the American american revolution it's a class american history for activists i i am not no fdr for me no big government solutions i understand no no no i agree you bring up russell brand i even kind of he's a funny guy he says some get some stuff right i'm like i know well it's important for us to look at all the different options, and it does invite, it does cause us to think about, well, what is the right approach? Should we burn it to the ground?

Should we try to fix these things? Maybe we ought to try the Constitution. That would be an approach we could take. But thank you so much. It's great talking to you. And Alan Stevo, the website is realstevo.com. If you go to forward slash case, you can see him making the case for Robert Kennedy. Thank you so much.

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