The David Knight Show - INTERVIEW Mao's America: A Survivor's Warning

Episode Date: November 8, 2023

Xi Van Fleet, who survived Mao's "Cultural Revolution", went through EVERYTHING that's being done now (and falsely labeled "Woke") when she was a child in China. The author of "Mao's America: A Survivor's Warning" explains how the left is using Mao (and Stalin) tactics as a blueprint to take America into mass murder and totalitarianism.Find out more about the show and where you can watch it at TheDavidKnightShow.comIf you would like to support the show and our family please consider subscribing monthly here: SubscribeStar https://www.subscribestar.com/the-david-knight-showOr you can send a donation throughMail: David Knight POB 994 Kodak, TN 37764Zelle: @[e-mail] App at: $davidknightshowBTC to: bc1qkuec29hkuye4xse9unh7nptvu3y9qmv24vanh7Money is only what YOU hold: Go to DavidKnight.gold for great deals on physical gold/silverFor 10% off Gerald Celente's prescient Trends Journal, go to TrendsJournal.com and enter the code KNIGHTBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-david-knight-show--2653468/support.

all right and joining us now our guest has written a book mal's america a survivor's warning and i am really anxious to talk to her because she grew up in china she was there during mal's cultural Revolution. She eventually came to America. And I have seen this over and over again. You had Rod Dreher said he had his friend's parents who had been in Stalinist Russia were getting very upset. They said, this is exactly the same stuff we saw in Russia. This is exactly the same stuff she saw in China. and we need to understand where these people are taking us and we need to understand what their tactics are so joining us now is she van fleet her book is mouse america

a survivor's warning thank you so much for joining us thank you for inviting me and and you came to prominence i mean you were just kind of living a quiet life here in america And you came to prominence. I mean, you were just kind of living a quiet life here in America, and you came to prominence in Loudoun, Virginia, because you were speaking out against some of the things that you saw in school. You said, this is exactly what I saw as a child growing up in China. This is the communist tactic. Tell us a little bit about that. Yeah.

Of course, that was something that I was not prepared for. So I went to school board and thinking I'm just doing my duty and have no idea that my video went viral. And at the same time, I was shocked to find how few people know anything about communism and fewer people know about the Cultural Revolution and say that's why I say that people have no idea what Woki is they thought is something new they thought it's just oh the left went crazy but for people who experienced Cultural Revolution and who lived under communism you don't have to experience the exact what I experienced the chinese cultural revolution if you live under communism it's we recognize it instantly yes this is communism narcissism that's what rod

dreher was saying he said the people who have lived under it whether you know it was russia or china they can smell it a mile away because you can't yes you can't not look the other direction i was surprised because we adopted our daughter from China. I was surprised when we went there about 15 years ago to see all these pictures of Mao everywhere. Because I knew the hardships that people had gone through and how many people had died, the Cultural Revolution, all these other things. I was surprised to see him still essentially revered. But we do that, don't we, in various countries? Yeah, and Marx, you know, the evil genius that his toxic ideology led to the deaths of more than 100 million people.

He still has been revered by this left and by the professors and the university and the students there as well. So, yeah, because this ideology has never been public, trialed, and denounced. And that is the problem. And that's why your book is very important. Tell us a little bit about what it was like growing up as a child in the cultural revolution. Did you get sent out into the rural areas and everything as they were doing it? Yes, yes. Yeah, it's a long history and it's complicated and I do my best to just make it short and still, you know, make sense. Okay, so I was in my second semester of the first grade when

Cultural Revolution started in 1966. So I had one semester of more or less normal education. And I remember very little, but I do remember, you know, in the reading class, we were learning sentences that just described nature, kind of peaceful, kind of memorable and a normal kind of thing. And then that was it. That's the only thing I remember. And then heading on to the second semester, that's when the Cultural Revolution started. And pretty much immediately the school was closed because all the principals and teachers were ousted by the students because they were, they become the target of the Cultural Revolution. Because Mao condemned all of them as counter-revolutionary, reactionary intellectual authority, meaning they were the enemy of the state, should be ousted. So the students turned against the teachers and the school was closed. Closed for me, two years. And for other places, as long as four years, no school,

total chaos. And so we as little kids had nothing to do. So we went to the streets every day. And then what we witnessed is the unfolding of the cultural Revolution, of the struggle sessions, parade of those people being denounced, and the Red Guards debate each other, and pretty soon, and cancel culture, definitely. Smashing of statues and taking down any signboards of stores that were traditional. Anything that is not communist or revolutionary were all smashed and destroyed and pretty soon turned into violence. I did an interview not too long ago

with an individual who wrote a book about a Project Veritas whistleblower's experience in a corporation and how they were pushing this critical race theory and things like that. And he was very upset about it. He was black, and he was still upset about it. He didn't like it, and so he started taking notes, and then he became a whistleblower for Project Veritas,

and then he wrote the book. And when I talked to the guy who wrote the book with him and really for him, he was saying, yeah, you know, all this stuff that's happening, critical race theory and all the rest of this stuff, people want to call it marxism it's not marxism it's like oh it is marxism it absolutely is and in so many different ways i i couldn't believe it when he said that i didn't really you know get into it with him because i really wanted to find out this guy's experiences but you know it really is purely marxism talk about the struggle sessions and people can understand if they understand some of the specifics of these things

and what does struggle session look like they'll start to see how it aligns with what we're seeing here in the United States yes yes but I want to add to what you just said too many people I'm not talking about people on the left I'm talking about conservatives still we don't have enough people understand the nature of wokeism it is pure cultural marxist marxism and it's pure maoism and that's why i call my um the uh my book mouse america it is maoism with american characteristics and that's why i don't like to use the term woke i mean first of all these people are not awake they're not conscious of what's going on and the people who use that term that's another trick that they do

and they they come up with their own labels for themselves and their labels for you and we must not use those labels because that's propaganda too the ccp used the same word woke did they really yeah they did they did and in chinese it's called the juewu, meaning awakening inside you, a consciousness. And we have to raise our class consciousness and see everything in terms of class. And so anyone that somehow run against the party narrative is casted as the enemy of the state or the black class and you always want to do anything to remain in the red class which is the allies of revolution and constantly everyone has to raise their class wokeness or consciousness now same terminology but people of course they don't know because they never learned the history yeah i think it's interesting in this country too that they they got everybody to agree with okay we got the red

states and the blue states it's like no the blue states are pushing marxism socialism the red states you know red has always been the color of the communists as you just pointed out yeah exactly and so you know they do that to muddy the water to confuse people and you got people out there saying yes we're the red states we're the i know i am so disgusted with communism for the longest time i don't want to wear anything red because that just remind me of communism of revolution of blood of violence and then come here okay you know we know, we are, you know, the Republic is red. But then I found out

the Democrats did the switch. Because they don't want to associate with communism, which is exactly what they are. Anyway, so now I wear, I embrace red because now I'm conservative because stuck with are color red.

We just have to make the best of it. I just try to avoid that term, that term red and woke as much as I can. And, you know, if you go back and you look at Antifa, I got a friend who was in Germany and he says, you go back to the 1930s, they haven't even changed their flag. They had the same flag in Germany in the 1930s that they've got now. And so, yeah, it is amazing how they just import this stuff over because Americans don't know their history and they don't know what has happened in other countries. They just, they swallow it hook, line, and sinker. So tell us about the struggle sessions. Yeah, struggle session. What is struggle

session? And actually, I'm going a little deeper what that really means. A struggle session is a term and the use, not just during the Cultural Revolution, it started as soon as the Communists took over China in 1949. And then one of the major campaign they launched is called Land Reform. Land Reform is what communists did to fulfill their promise to the peasants who support their revolution, that they're going to give the free land to them. go ahead that's okay uh yeah and that's okay i got some free gift for you here okay good good yeah okay so they um here listen to it how do you um get all the peasants together

and fight the landlord in order to get their land to raise the class consciousness because the the peasants did not know such a thing as a class that was an alien to them so they have to uh be taught and just like a dei training so the communists trained the peasants and told them you you are poor, not because you did not work hard, not because you are not smart. And we're seeing that now in terms of reparations, because I do agree that there they used, and in Europe they used class. And that doesn't work here in America

because nobody really saw themselves as being a different class, but they did see themselves as being a different race a different skin color yeah so that's what they focused on and that's why there's been so much focus on white privilege and all the rest of stuff and why you know the reparations is really very much like the promises of land reform they even go back and say well you know after after the after slavery you're supposed to get you know an acre and 40 mules or something like that. They actually make these kinds of analogies. Yeah, same idea.

But anyway, to raise your class to be woke is the condition to have a revolution. And then the peasants finally said, okay, we are poor. They were taught. They are poor because the rich exploited and oppressed them. So now everyone know there are two classes. There's a black class, there's a red class, and they are enemies. And then the goal of the red class

is to eradicate the black class. So that is the beginning of the political identity. And that was the thing that the CCP used to permanently divide the Chinese people. Okay, going back to the, so the struggle session started in the land reform in 1949 to 1951 the same formula, the same tactic is the landlord or the rich peasants will be struggled against like a public trial and the peasants would condemn them and the peasants were coached to retell their suffering and then blame all their suffering, all their problems to the landlord. And then they would say, what do we do with the landlord? And I would ask to the landlord and then dragged out and executed.

And that's how it started. And during the Cultural Revolution, the enemy has shifted. It's no longer the landlord and the rich peasants. They become those in power, meaning those were the CCP bureaucrats or the CCP leadership. Why? Because Mao felt like he was no longer in control of his party. He wanted to purge everyone. He can't purge everyone because that would look like he was after his own party. He had a better idea.

He mobilized all the young people from his government schools and his universities. Those were called the Red Guards. So they took the, mobilized the Red Guards, gave them power, pure power, and dismantled the police and the law enforcement. And no one can stop them. Anything they do was justified. Anything they do has no consequences. So they went after those in power, all levels of the government from the village to the central government. So that is what the Red Guards did, struggle session, is I witnessed the struggle session for the governor of my province, because the governor was pretty tall, so they got two basketball players to hold him on the stage and so to make the governor look small. And then the

Red Guards have a loudspeaker and denounce him. And so then people shout slogans. And during that particular struggle session, I did not see violence, but he was beaten. He was struggled against. He probably went to like a hundred of this kind of a struggle session. And his wife was also part of that struggle sessions. And during one struggle session, the Red Guards pulled all her hair off. And eventually she committed suicide. Wow. So that is, there was violent struggle session that people were beaten to death right on the spot. And there were milder, which is just verbal abuse. That's what I looked at. But that's not it.

It's not just, struggle session is not something against denounced enemy. Struggle session really, really means struggle against yourself. And in CCP's world, it's criticism and self-criticism. As a young kid, I went through, it's routine. It's every week there is a political study. And then we have to read some of the mouse uh quotation and then we carry out this self-criticism and self-criticism so each kid will say whatever the person you know the kid did not do well enough according to most instructions. So you denounce yourself.

Wow. And we see that today. We see that today. Kids have to denounce themselves because of their gender and their normalcy or whatever that we would say, or their skin color. It's exactly the same thing that they did. See?

Amazing. Yeah. So you denounce yourself, and then you denounce your classmates. So we go around and around and around. You say, okay, I did not do this right. Of course, we did not say we have privilege. Just say we were not up to Mao's instruction and we should do better. And then say, so-and-so, that day i saw you say this and i saw

you act like that and that's not right so it's that is really the core it's not those kind of a public trial it is at every level every person is involved in struggle uh session So that's exactly what we're seeing now, DEI. You denounce your privilege if you're white, okay? And you swear that you'll do better, right? And then you denounce your coworker who you heard saying this and that. And that's absolutely the same thing. Oh, yes. I remember the testimony of a young girl who was pressured into gender mutilation and surgery

and things like that. And she said, you know, I got into this group because, and I forget what it was. It was some pop group that she liked or some game that she liked or something like that. And so it was just a special interest group. But everybody that was in it was into this type of struggle session thing. She didn't call it that but she said you know they were all uh leftist and you know and and and i was uh just heterosexual and i was white and i had to denounce myself to be a part of this group and so i started denouncing all the it wasn't enough to just say okay you do whatever you want i had

to hate myself for that and i had to make these confessions to them. That is what they're doing to all the kids. It's amazing how they have very insidiously and subtly and undercover inserted all of these psychological tactics that were used by Mao in America. Of course, because people have no idea because they don't know history. And people like me see through right away because it's the same, absolutely the same thing. So you can't be just not a racist, right? You have to be anti-racist. Yes, yes. Yeah, so exactly the same idea.

Yes. Tell us a little bit about the cancel culture, of course, which is tied with that as well, and the need for them to destroy statues. We just saw this fetishized destruction of a Robert E. Lee statue, and they took up a very high-quality video of them melting it down, all the rest of the stuff. This is a very important thing for the communists to take down statues and to erase the culture that's existing there. Yeah. The goal is to erase past, period. Cancel culture is really, in China, it's called the destruction of the four old.

Old idea, old culture, old habit, old custom. Anything that is traditional, anything that is pre-communist, communist regime has to be erased, has to be destroyed. And you start with something very symbolic, right? Anything that is everyone can see. And then what you do? You go and destroy the statues. And so

in China, we did not have many public statues as in the West. Most of them were religious statues such as in the Buddhist temple or in church. And that's what they went after. They destroyed all the statues and that's not it. They changed the names of everything that is not traditional, that is traditional such as institution names, store names, food brand. Sounds familiar. Yeah. Oh yeah, exactly.

Oh man. We're deep into this. We're deep into this, aren't we? So the four old, uh, old ideas, old culture, old habit. What was the fourth one? And old customs. Old customs. Interesting. It's just the civilization of China. Yeah.

It all has to go. Why? Because if you want to install Maoism as the supreme ideology or the religion of the land, you have to remove everything before it. And the cancel culture went to a next stage. Okay, they destroy everything in the public. Okay. And they say there are more. They were hidden in people's homes.

And we have to go after that. That's what they did. They raided people's homes and took whatever they think is old, destroy them or confiscated them. This is the largest looting operation in the history of mankind. Wow. Wow. Of course, you know,

we have the IRS is going to be made five to seven times bigger depending on which budget they go through and that's what i'm concerned about is that they're going to go around confiscating uh not necessarily statues because people don't have that many statues or things like that on their own but go around confiscating any physical property tell us a little bit about what they did to the family, because that is a key part of this, you know, in America. Was there, as part of the four olds, would that, I don't know, would the family fall into one of these in terms of culture or custom or something like that? Yes.

Okay. I'm sorry. Oh, that's okay. Take your time. Drink something if you'd like to go ahead go ahead i'll uh i'll cover here for you um you you said uh that again uh you know we look at things like critical race theory and stuff like that again we're talking about race rather than class uh that's the difference in in communism in amer versus China or Europe. But again, old ideas, old cultures, old habits, and old customs. And I imagine family fits in there somewhere. Absolutely.

So for family, you don't have to guess. You just read Communist Manifesto. It laid out there clearly there are three things they want to abolish. One is private property. Another is religion. Another is family. So that is

laid out there clear for everyone to see. They have to destroy religion because in order to implement communism as the religion and and be this is a very very important communism is not and coming is a religion it is and even though they say they're against the religion, but it is a religion, it replaced religion.

So they have to destroy religion and, and they have to destroy family because those are the foundations of any society. So that started very early on, especially in schools. And so it was very, very clear to everyone, not just to kids, but to parents as well. The kids belong to the state. And the parents understand that. And so if you have to choose between your parents and the state, you choose the state. And there's no question about it.

Many kids reported their parents during the Cultural Revolution to the authority, and some of the parents were arrested and some were executed. It was so clear in my mind, in every kid's mind, the party was our parents and Chairman Mao was our parent. And that is, if you talk to any people who lived under communism, it is a common threat. They destroy religion.

They destroy family. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah, and of course, those of us who knew about that understood and saw that when Hillary Clinton said it takes a village to raise a child. You destroy the family. You put the children under the care of the government. We had MSNBC running public service announcements a few years ago. Melissa Harris Perry, I think was her name.

She got to get over this idea. The children belong to the parents. And at that point in time, they hadn't really found something that they could use as a wedge. Now what they're doing is they're using this transgender thing as a wedge and that's where it's coming in but it'll be other things you know you'll be denounced yeah there'll be other things that's just the first thing that you're doing right now yeah yeah that was not on the horizon you know people are looking at this oh okay fine you know the

village is is there they're going to help to do it and uh but you know what where is the conflict here and they and so they came up with a. First they sell you the idea that kids belong to the state and to the society and to the village, and then they find the issues of conflict to punish the parents with. But actually they have been doing that before transgender. Transgender really just showcased that how they are trying to cut the ties between parents and children and actively set children up against their parents. But for decades, they have been teaching the values of communism and Marxism, even though that's not what Americans know about. But they have been developing the children with a new set of ideologies and created this conflict between generations, right? And there's a lot of families, especially in

recent years, a lot of families just broken up, just like the Cultural Revolution, because they don't agree with each other ideologically. And they have been doing that for a very, very long time. And they will find other issues, and they will find any issues to advance their agenda. That means to take the children away from the parents so they control them. That's right. Yeah, you know, just as we saw that they used class in china and and in

europe as a dividing thing and here they use skin color uh then i think also in the same way this dividing wedge i've seen this as you talk about this has been going on for decades of course and uh i remember one of the first cases that i saw this is up in massachusetts and it was a father who didn't want his eight-year-old girl in a sex education class that at the time was not into all of these um uh shall we say highly deviant sexual practices that are going on right now it was just straight side but she was eight years old he said i don't think she's mature enough for this and he and they said well she has to do it so he went to school to

take her out they arrested him for trespassing and the judge said when you drop your child off at the school you have surrendered them to the state and we will act in loco parentis in place of the parents and so there's been this wedge you know that they've been making the the wedge of the sexual wedge they've been making it wider and wider uh with all the different diverse practices and everything but just as they began to use this wedge of sexuality against the parents and the and this really kind of does go back even to the mid-20th century you know where you had the and and then following up you know in the 1950s a generation gap and then the sexual revolution all this they've been using the sex thing as a wedge issue,

especially with the parents, and they've really weaponized it in a very visual way, especially in just the last few years. But they'll find other things, as you pointed out. It always is something. Yeah, sex was their sacred weapon, but it's really anything traditional, anything kind of normal, they are challenging right now, right?

And for in the communist country that we were taught, we were equal to the parents. We can educate our parents. So many times we were taught that we were better than our parents because

we know better. We are more updated in our learning. And so we should always watch out our parents and make sure they are up to date with their learning. And so, and that's why in the communist countries and they worship or they give power to the youth. And that's what we're doing now. The young people, they know, we're led to believe that they know better or they know what's best for them. And the same ideology, the same idea that the children are better off knowing what's best for them than the parents.

That's right. And I saw that, you know, even though I was a child at the time, you know, you could see that there was something different that had happened. And it was really flowing out of the schools. They use the schools even at the beginning of all this. The idea that we've got in America, one of the things that's made us very vulnerable is we love the idea that we're constantly reinventing culture. Our culture is very fluid i would imagine

that in china it was a lot more conservative and and not as uh fluctuating as it has been in america because of the embracing of media and entertainment and of the baby boom teenagers and all the rest of the stuff they were able to then have this rapidly evolving culture that really kind of played into their hands, I think. But was it more conservative in China when Mao came in, in terms of culture and family? Yeah, it was very traditional. Yeah. Yeah, but during the Cultural Revolution, everything turned upside down. In the Cultural Revolution, to us, the world was turned upside down, just like today.

We're taught similar things. I think some of them were not as extreme as what we see in America. But we were also taught that there's no difference between men and women. We're the same. Whatever men can do, women can do better. The other half of the sky. The other half of the sky. The other half of the sky. Yeah, like Biden quoted.

And so we dress like a man. We talk like man. We think like man. We act like man. So if you go to China in the 60s and 70s, you see a sea of gray. People look like, and you can hardly distinguish the gender. And so we were made into a genderless society. And so Mao always bragged that he liberated women from the oppression of the old society and of the patriarchy.

But they did not give them choice. So they all liberated from the household, you know, shores, and their children were sent to daycare by the government. So they were forced to join their workforce. They become the work bee for the party. They work side by side with the men. So they become men. So it's not extreme to say that the women can be men and men can be women, but it's close.

Same idea. Same idea. Same idea. Yeah, we just add in a kind of a sexual deviance overtone to it. And it is that radical leveling, which is another, you know, everything in communism is leveled, right? You know, we take everybody down except for the people at top. And everybody else owns nothing and they're happier in all that, aren't they? Yeah.

No, that's what I say. Now we were taught that we should own nothing and be happy. In Chinese, in the communist China, in most time especially, that we have nothing and we have to be happy. If you show that you're not happy, if you show that you're dissatisfied, you will end up in a struggle session or in the gulags.

Yeah, that's right. That's what they're working on here. That's exactly what. Yeah, if you are not happy, you better take the brave new world approach. You can self-medicate with drugs or alcohol or sex or whatever to just drop out of the world. But if you pay attention and you get upset about it, you get the 1984 treatment. And, yeah, it's amazing how this is all coming around,

and we're seeing exactly the same type of thing. So you've written the book. You've gone around and talked to a lot of people and trying to wake up Americans. Are they starting to see the light in this? I do. gone around and talked to a lot of people and and um giving trying to wake up americans are they starting to see the light in this i do i think um when i started to talk and i remember one particular place and i went to talk and i talked about cultural revolution red guards and i just noticed there's this kind of blank look from the audience and i realized my god they really don't know anything i have to start from the very beginning and i can't just say the cultural revolution what is

cultural revolution why cultural revolution what is red guard how it come into being and there's just too much to explain in a you know like 40 minutes uh speak and uh in the process a lot of people ask me you know I met a lot of people in the past two years they said do you have a book I'm gonna write the book and it's because that I know that I need to write this book to explain everything in more detail how and why and where and all that. And I hope that it's going to be helpful for people to understand what the Chinese Cultural Revolution is about

and why it's so similar to the American Cultural Revolution that is unfolding in front of us. Yeah, you know, people talk about communist subversion, but the reason they mention that is because these people have brought the exact same tactics and plans and, you know, pretended that this is just something that they thought of. And if we don't understand the pattern and how this has been used and what it led to, it's going to be really bad.

Now, were you there during the period when there was a lot of starvation and things like that? No, no. I was born in that time. And it started in 1959, lasted three years. So, no. So you're a child, you're not really caught up in the great leap forward type of thing,

right? No, I was too little for that. But everybody, you know, like my parents' generation know about Anna's stories or still alive that I know enough growing up. But I did not understand why. But I just understood that it was a time that everyone was going hungry. And those were lucky ones because they were in the city.

And they have ration. They have ration of a certain amount of food even though everybody was going hungry but in the countryside that's where deaths took place up to 50 million chinese peasants died wow it's very interesting how both stalin and mal used so many of the same tactics as you're pointing out in struggle sessions and everything you know stalin had his purges but then at the beginning of all this you know stalin had his halamador and ukraine goes to the place where it's the most fertile and uh starves the people to death uh mao does the same thing with this great leap forward and uh and it's very troubling to see

that now that we have um our technocrat overlords are saying, well, we're going to have to change the way you do food and we're going to dismantle the food supply. We're going to dismantle energy. We're going to do all this stuff. All of that stuff seems to be that same tactic seems to be on the horizon. And of course, that really is kind of at the leading edge of the oppression, because first you have to take everything away from everybody and do your great reset before you can impose this new system. And I think they've got a timeline for this new system of 2030. So I think they're going to escalate this pretty quickly.

What do you think? Yes, I think that people absolutely need to understand this. Communism has nothing to do with communalism, right? Communal, we're just sharing, we're happy together, we take away private property, so there's no exploitation, we're all happy together. Communism is all about one thing, control. Okay, control everything in people's lives. Control what you can have, control where you can live, and now we're told that in 15 minutes the city is where we should live. Control where you can move during the mouse time. They control in

such a way that nobody can really move just to visit another place because they give you a coupon for food, and that coupon only applies to where you live. So if you say, I'm going to take three months vacation, travel around the country, you can't do that. First off, you have no money, and second, your coupon could not apply to another city. So you're kind of stuck where you were. And then how many children you can have, right? When before, they want to have as many children as possible. They follow Stalin's policy. As many, and then they change it.

Only have one. If you have more, you're dragged to the hospital and forcefully um your baby will forcefully aborted and then what you can say there's no freedom of speech zero okay and and if you have to praise the party you have to praise it correctly if you praise the party incorrectly you're also in trouble and mostly mostly people pay attention what you can think so that is communism in a nutshell control that's true and uh so you and so people think do you know that uh that what you thought was lie when you were you know in school how I know? I have no idea because all the information was

controlled. I have no idea to compare to anything, right? It's just one version of everything, one version of truth, and it's from the party, and one source of information that's from the party media or from the school. Everything is controlled by. So when you have no other information, you can't think. You cannot think critically without access to information. That's right. And that's why they're working so hard on censorship now. Yes, exactly.

It is a very insidious program. And, of course, it's interesting when we talk about the one-child policy because what China has done is that they've aligned themselves with this globalist climate movement. And the globalist climate movement is a perfect fit, a perfect rationale for them to institute communism. One of the clips that I've played several times is Justin Trudeau. He was asked, what's your favorite country in the world besides, of course, Canada? And he says, China, because I could tell everybody what to do to save the environment. That's exactly what this is all about. They have a rationale to tell everybody what to do, and they're going to control everything

in our lives on the basis of that, including how many kids we have. And, of course, the whole climate and environmental movement was born out of depopulation. And the idea that humans are a virus and we've got to reduce humanity, which is exactly what Stalin and Mao wanted to do with their starvation programs. There's too many people here to control. So let's reduce the number of people here. And as I reduce them and devastate the population in my country, I can show my authority and establish myself as the dread authority in this particular country.

It's amazing how they have followed through to the letter all of these same policies. And it's all it's a plan that's just rolling out to us. And also, you know what's happening in China now, right? They ran out of cheap labor. They are in deep, deep trouble. And the population is so aged. And they really the future is dire is and then you know what the party

said you should have three and yeah see that that is worse than party population in the very beginning Stalin encouraged first after the Second World War, right? They have like a award to mother who have nine children, 10 children, and all did the same thing. So they control everything according to their needs. So now they ask people to have three. Well, that's not that easy. You just ask and people just have three.

But this started with party members party members if you want promotion you you you are required to have three children wow wow well that's communism control yeah control of everything just flip the switch and now we're going to do something completely different and uh so did you have any experience when you were when you were there in terms of Christian persecution? The underground church that was there. I know that's… I had no idea what Christianity was.

That's the truth. Yeah. And so no idea because religion removed out of our lives. The only thing that, you know, in China the largest religion is Buddhism, has been Buddhism. Okay, so there are temples, and even though some of them were destroyed, but there are still some in the city, but they turn into parks. So growing up, I go into this so-called Buddhist parks. So I know there's such a thing. And then we're told they're all superstitious and it's all backward and primitive. So I just go there and look at the Buddha

and you're thinking that's just so stupid to make a statue like that. So religion was absent in our lives. And of course, I know better. We had a religion, that's communism. And we had a God that's communism and we had a God that's mouth and we had a Bible that's the most read little book but but only in the early 80s and so I was working in the universe in a in a college for training school teachers and then americans started coming in and they want to see churches

and so by then uh some of them started to open and i was shocked to find there is a building that i passed through there countless times was a church and so i took them there, the American teachers, and there I met a young guy. And so he said, I was 20 in my early twenties and he was too. So he said he was Christian and because his parents had passed it down to them, they just do it at home i was like really i have no clue i really had no clue that there were such uh thing that in china there was um among us there are some underground christians so of course later you know it opened up a little more and um in the 90s and early 2000 but now but now, you know, it's crashing. Then the closing churches and the churches that are not closed become the party churches.

Yes. And if you go to some of the churches in the altar, it's Mao's portrait and Xi Jinping's portrait. Yes. And next to the cross. I've talked about that many times that if if you're gonna put up a cross, you gotta put Mao on one side and Xi Jinping on the other side. And I said, do they realize that they've got Jesus

and the two thieves on either side? I know, but so if you, today, if you go to China, you can still go to church, there are still some open. Those are CCP church, CCP's church. And the real church is underground and then later after i came out i met more people uh who were part of that underground church so yeah their church they call it the church of the three-person self or something like that don't they isn't it something like that yeah the three self was a policy that installed early on. And, you know, basically they are going to make church, Chinese church, you know, and not even Chinese church, a CCP's church.

Yes, yes. So if you go to today, if you go to, I went, actually I checked the Association for Buddhism in China, Christianity, Catholic, whatever. If you go to their website, the landing page is the support, the Communist Party, the support, socialism, the support. Forget it. You know, they are not they are not really independent. And you find that, you know, what they started doing, even the churches that were doing that, you know, trying to bow and scrape to the communist party, they would then come in and tear them down anyway. You know, I mean, it's just, you know, it depends on what their whim is. I remember when we were there, we were there for a couple of weeks.

And then as we went south into Hong Kong and we're on the train, I saw crosses for the first time. It's like, you know, I hadn't thought about that. I hadn't seen any churches or any crosses or anything like that. And the whole time we were there in China, you know, it was all underground. But it's pretty big underground from all reports because that kind of persecution really grows a church. And it grows real strong church members who they're not going to be uh coming for the ice cream social that's just that way they're there for because they're really serious about it well i tell you so yes yeah that's another thing people should uh should know under communism there's absolutely

no freedom for religion or faith yeah so well I think they're right to understand that the church is their enemy because I think that is the most effective guerrilla organization to oppose this kind of authoritarianism. Christianity was the roots of our liberal society in the West, and it's going to be the way that they're going to uproot the communists from the ground up, I think, in that country. But, you know, when you're talking about the fact that even they wanted to control what you think, that was when Rod Dreyer was talking to people who had come from Russia and places like that. And in the tradition of Solzhenitsyn, he actually named his book Live Not by Lies because that was an essay by Solzhenitsyn.

That's what they want you to do. They want you to, as you point out, as a child, you're given one source of information. That's just the way that it is. And so you just go with that. But for the other people, and if you come up with, eventually they're going to come to you and tell you that they want you to repeat 2 plus 2 equals 5. And if you don't believe it. Yes. Until you believe it.

Exactly. And so that's the thing. It's about breaking your will to eventually come in. And I think that's another aspect of what we see with this gender stuff. You know, you have to regardless of what you actually see or know or whatever, you've got to deny that and go with what they say is real. And so that's the key thing. And that was the one thing that Solzhenitsyn saw that it's the common thing amongst all these different totalitarian societies is that ultimately you're going to have to bend what you know is true is going to have to be bent to what they want you to say just as a

power exercise and we see that happening now in the united states and that's why it's so important for people to say nope i'm not going to go there and and understand where this all all this is coming from all of these things as you point out mouse america uh warning america of of the fact that this is a plan. It is an agenda. They've executed this plan, and it's going to be so much worse for us because now they have the leverage of technology that Mao didn't have. And also, just this morning, I watched a clip of the interview by this guy, George. He used to be Clinton's advisor, a Greek name.

I can't remember right now. George, whatever, Kalapalos. Oh, Stephanopoulos? Stephanopoulos? Yes. And he interviewed a Congress member, and he just kept doing that. Can you say that 2020 election is not stolen? And then when he was talking about something,

he bring it back, he bring it back, he bring it back. Can you say yes or no, it is stolen? That's exactly the same tactic. Struggle section. Can you say this man is standing in front of you, that he is a woman? You have to see it. Can you see it?

See it now. Same time. It's a struggle session, isn't it? Struggle session. Yeah, it is time for us to struggle against these people. And you have to, people need to understand, that's why your book is so important. People need to understand the tactics.

This is nothing new. There's nothing new under the sun. Solomon was wise enough to say that and of course this kind of stuff has been going around forever but it has been uh honed into a fine tactic of psychological manipulation by the communist and now what they're going to do worldwide is take that tactic that agenda that you lay out here that now did and they're going to wet it to modern technology to give them more leverage on people, I think. Just realize they have established the truth, right?

The climate is changing, and they're going to destroy the earth if we don't do anything. Otherwise, we are denier, denier, denier. And that is exactly what Mao did. One truth, and everyone has to go by it. And if you question it, you are enemy of the state. Yeah, that's right.

Yeah, we see that over and over again. It is so important for people to see this. Again, the book is Mao's America, A Survivor's Warning. Best place to get that? Anywhere the books are sold? Or do you have a website that you like that you sell that directly? I know I should have, but I don't't it'll get you a little bit more money so i always want to offer that to authors because i know that they make a little bit more money if they sell it

direct but again amazon anywhere that books are sold mouse america a survivor's warning very important thank you so much for for speaking out about this and telling people this and speaking out in these, you know, the beginning of the struggle sessions that are there. Thank you so much for a message that is so needed and a historical context and perspective that is so missing in America that people can find in your book. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. Shee Van Fleet. Thank you very much. We'll take a quick break, folks, and we will be right back. Stay with us. Thank you. Terima kasih telah menonton! You're listening to The David Knight Show.