The David Knight Show - INTERVIEW: Organize Locally, Think Constitutionally

Episode Date: December 6, 2022

Paul Dragu, jbs.org. Neocon establishment like Chris Christie continue their attacks even as John Birch Society's warnings about centralized control and globalism are now self-evidently true. Mr. Dragu talks about how JBS can help us to organize locally, from the ground up and identify local politicians who can interpose and nullify unconstitutional orders.Find out more about the show and where you can watch it at TheDavidKnightShow.comIf you would like to support the show and our family please consider subscribing monthly here: SubscribeStar https://www.subscribestar.com/the-david-knight-show Or you can send a donation throughZelle: @[e-mail] App at:  $davidknightshowBTC to:  bc1qkuec29hkuye4xse9unh7nptvu3y9qmv24vanh7Mail: David Knight POB 994 Kodak, TN 37764Money is only what YOU hold: Go to DavidKnight.gold for great deals on physical gold/silverBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-david-knight-show--2653468/support.

At LiveScoreBet, we love Cheltenham just as much as we love football. The excitement, the roar and the chance to reward you. That's why every day of the festival, we're giving new members money back as a free sports bet up to €10 if your horse loses on a selected race. That's how we celebrate the biggest week in racing. Cheltenham with LiveScoreBet. This is total betting. Sign up by 2pm 14th of March. Bet within 48 hours of race. Main market excluding specials and place bets. Terms apply. is total betting. Sign up by 2 p.m. 14th of March. Bet within 48 hours of race.

Main market excluding specials and place bets. Terms apply. Bet responsibly. 18plusgamblingcare.ie. Joining us now is Paul Dragoo, who is with the John Birch Society. Now, I hope I just asked you how to pronounce your name right. Did I get that right? Is it Dragoo or Dragoo?

Dragoo. I think you got it right. Okay. All right. I got myself confused because I pronounced it both ways. But he's with the John Birch Society. He's a communications director and they are pushing back because now they're being attacked yet again by establishment Republicans, this time by Chris Christie,

always in the crosshairs of William F. Buckley and the National Review for years. And I remember I knew about William F. Buckley before I knew about the John Bir Buckley, uh, before I knew about the John Birchers, uh, but you guys have been validated and what you have told people about, uh, supporting local sheriffs and local law enforcement, which you told people about the dangers of consolidation and centralization and about what is happening with the push towards a global governance governance that has all been validated.

None of that was talked about by the establishment Republicans, by William F. Buckley. And of course, Chris Christie is not talking about that either. Is he? Tell us a little bit about what Chris Christie had to say. Thank you for joining us,

Paul. Well, Chris Christie is it looks like he's on a presidential stumping tour, which I, I don't think anyone thinks it's going anywhere. No. Maybe he wants to be vice president with somebody. I don't know. Yeah. I mean, I don't know where he'll end up, but he's on this tour and it looks like he's obviously representing the neocon, the establishment, which is losing its relevance as the

media, especially the left-wing media, mainstream media has been screaming and screeching about all these conspiracy theories come out. If you learn to read between the lines, what that really means is that people are awakening and there's a lot behind that. And so but so Chris Christie, he's got, I guess, his strategist, whoever he's hired to, you know, make his message. You know, he's got a book called Republican Rescue. And it's all the same message. And the message is this, that there was once a time when represented by the John Birch Society, these conspiracy theorists almost took over the great Republican Party and they almost doomed it. And, you know, and so just as and he mistakenly says that we were purged and he talks about it, says it's in the past since it's which is hilarious, because then there's other outlets that come out and say it's like, oh, the Birchers are making a comeback or the Birchers are still around.

Or as Salon said, they never left. The New Republican says we all live in the John Birch Society world now. So obviously, you know, they don't have a unified message. And that's, I don't know how relevant that is or not. But Christie's going around and he's trying to be the moderate voice and he's trying to be part of the establishment to reining in people back into neocon, neoliberalism, that paradigm where we had, whether it be Democrats or Republicans, we're all going in the same direction, this globalist direction. Bigger government, open borders, more prosperity and money funneled from Americans, from the West into, you know, with our little pet project, with the ultimate goal of building this one world infrastructure,

global governance as they now call it, whether it be Klaus Schwab, whether it be, you know, our CFR spokespersons. And so what we see this as, yeah, Christie's taking a shot at the John Burr Society. We're kind of like the piñata, whatever, but it doesn't matter because I don't, I mean, it does to a certain extent, but he's he's I think he's on the losing side. And and I think he's representing an establishment that is really struggling with losing relevance. And the reason they're losing relevance is because convergence has collided with reality. I mean, reality has converged with JBS education, with others, you know, you and there's so many others out there who have been saying this is coming. We've been saying it for 63 years.

We've taken a lot, a lot of fire, a lot of fire for it. And like I think you said during the break, we've been vindicated and whatnot. We're seeing that. And we welcome all who want to join in, who want to get educated to help others learn, and they want to kind of get in on the grassroots because, you know, it's a two-pronged attack here. Yeah, you know, it's interesting. I remember watching William F. Buckley, and he would have interesting discussions. They were very intellectualized.

He'd be on PBS, you know, so it gives him his creds there, right? You know, that's an indication for the establishment of success, that they would put him on PBS. And yet, his stuff really hasn't aged very well. You can see that he really was not on the central issues that were there. And you guys were. You know, whether you're talking about centralized control of law enforcement or just the global agenda.

And now there is no question about it. whether you're talking about centralized control of law enforcement or just the global agenda. And now there is no question about it. Now the only question is, can we stop these people for what they have been planning for many, many decades, in the middle of the 20th century? Can we stop them in enough time? Because everybody, there's no question what the agenda is. And now when we see people like Chris Christie come out and just denigrate anybody who points out what is happening, that they're talking about a conspiracy. It is a conspiracy. There's no theory about that anymore.

Everybody has lived through this. So the question is, how do we stop it at this point? Tell us a little bit about what the John Birch Society is doing to help to organize people to push back against this stuff. Right. Well, it's, we got a two-pronged attack here, a strategy. Our founder, Robert Welch, said that education is our total strategy and truth is our only weapon. So the first, the first point is that we have to know this is happening. And, you know, I know that for some, they get caught up in some of the details what's the difference between whatever the insiders versus the deep state the globalists what where all these terms are thrown around and i think a lot of that is even done deliberately but as long as we

understand that there is an intentional um strategy that is meant to to to usher in this technocratic totalitarian one world-world government. Once we recognize that it's happening, then we can see how the various strategies or the components that they put into place work towards that. That's why we fight against the USMCA. That's why we say get out of the United Nations. We say we've got to get out of these entanglements. And once you understand how they work and you understand the reason behind it, then you can get behind it. So, so we have a magazine, the new American magazine, of course, we have a bulletin.

And then the next step comes in and that is organization. We have chapters from in every state we have with chapters that are growing, they continue to grow. And so then it's time to get organized. Now that we have this information, you know, we have one of our national field coordinator likes to say, nobody wants to be the smartest guy in the concentration camp. Yeah. You know. Like, okay. I told you guys it was coming. Now look where we are. Right, right, right. So, you know, so then we work from the local level up and we have an

agenda, like an actual agenda, a bulletin. Every month members get a bulletin. It sounds boring in a way, and maybe this is why it's hard, but activism has always been hard because you have to have the organization. And so people work on local levels all the way up, whether it be, you know, they run for local office, whether it the way up, whether it be, you know, they run for local office, whether it be raising awareness, whether it be, you know, raising awareness to bring, to get their kids out of public education. That's one of our action projects or restoring election integrity on the state level. We have all the, we have all these focuses and then you can create committees. And so again, it sounds kind of scattered and you we don't ask people to take place, take part in everything. You know, some some some some states have issues or some localities have different issues.

And and so there is a component that is tailored to your local community, while also there's a component where we all focus on the same agenda as well. So we educate and we organize, you know, if, if, if you know what's happening and you don't know where to get started, you know, you go to jbs.org and we have a little tab called connect with your local coordinator. You put your little zip code in there and they'll come back to you and they'll tell you, okay. And then you find out what is the next, the closest group, maybe there isn't a group, then you form one and you push back. We have a campaign called the power of 500. And the theory behind that is if we get 500 birchers or constitutionalists, it doesn't even have to, you don't necessarily even have to be a bircher. You know, we have lots of supporters. We have, we probably have more than actual members

who work towards the same end. If we get 500 birchers in the district, you can revolutionize that district. And, you know, we take over district by district and we educate people on that. And that's how you do it. You know, a good example of this was during the COVID tyranny. One of the things that we did, we consistently talked about was nullification. And our members from coast to coast, we talked to our sheriffs. And we saw this in various parts of the country, in large parts where the sheriffs were saying, we're not going to enforce these dictates. And they were coming down from the state level, which of course were being pressured down from the federal level. And I lived in one of those counties where the sheriff, at the time

I lived in the County of Montana, the sheriff issued a presser saying that we are not the mask police. And, you know, and there was bars who wouldn't close and, you know, they kept pressing the health department, kept going after him, but there's no teeth behind it. You know, they went after the grocery store owner. It's like, well, there's people walking around with a mask. But since there was no teeth behind it, it didn't, it didn't amount to anything. Now it would have been nice if more people knew that there's nothing that can happen to you. But that is, you know, that, that is an example of how, you know, our education and organization help people to, you know, that in that crazy, crazy chaotic time to have some sense of normalcy.

I agree. I've talked throughout all this, Paul, and told people, look, forget about Washington. You're not going to get any help there. We've got to do this at the local level. We've got to do it from the bottom up. When I talk, you know, I talk about national and international issues, and there's an importance to that because, as the left has always said,

you know, we need to think globally and act locally. That's their plan. They know that you've got to act locally. All politics is local, as Tip O'Neill used to say, right? And so it's important. That's where the rubber meets the road is in each local jurisdiction. And I think what the John Birch Society does, you know, we can talk and when we have national and international media,

we can talk about what the big picture is. and people need to understand what the big picture is. Absolutely. But it's got to be resisted at the local level. And I think that's what the John Birch Society fills in there. It gives people a structure on how to connect and how to get organized and eyes on the ground. Because I can't cover what's happening in each and every community everywhere. I talk about what's happening in specific communities as examples, good or bad, but I can't talk about what's happening in each and every place.

That's why your structure that you have at the JBS, getting people together locally, educating them as to where these people are and coming to these different candidates as a group to find out where they are on these issues. I think that's what's so really important to build that from the bottom up. Yeah, I mean, I think we also lose track of the fact that the state, you know, we're the United States of America. The federal government has obviously amassed so much power, but I think people have also forgotten that there is lots of power in the states. The state always meant intended to override to be more powerful than the federal government and uh and so and we see that for instance with election integrity that's why they're trying to nationalize

elections for instance because then then they can you know they can have their shit cannery solidified reinforced and whatnot and that's an example that's that's a that's a pet project of ours and we have lots of people working on the ground toward election integrity bringing awareness uh and that again is you have to realize you can't like you said especially and i think it creates a sense of doom sometimes if you see all this stuff going around you're like man look at all that there's no way we can save the Republic. It's like, no, man, you don't have to go to Washington, D.C. because we have members in Washington, D.C. We have members in Georgia. You know, we have most of our a lot of our members are actually in California, New York, where you would think,

you know, they're beyond salvation. But we have a lot of folks there doing a lot of good work. And what I found and what I found, what I found, Paul, is that you go to some of the places like, um, you know, Washington state or whatever,

you know, I went up there on vacation. I had people recognizing me here. Unlike when I would go to conservative state, because these people are you, when you live under these conditions, you're looking for something else. And so they're far more in tune to alternative views in those liberal areas.

And so I think that's why you're seeing that as well. It really is important to have that local thing. It's kind of what they did at the Free State Project. They said, hey, let's get a bunch of people to move to New Hampshire to try to affect change there. Well, you can do that by coalescing where you are if you've got an organization like the John Birch Society to help you connect with other people, to help educate you about the local issues and local politicians, that's such a key thing, I think. Yeah, yeah.

I mean, going back to your comment on that, these people, and I've heard, you know, our folks, for instance, in California, they have a front row seat to tyranny. It's kind of like you and I, right? We're looking at this stuff and it gets us more energized to hear all this stuff. Yeah, I agree. Yeah, yeah. I live in the woods in Wisconsin now. I lived in Montana before and then I grew up in Georgia. And so I probably never see, but I did, I actually, not to go too off trail,

but I was born in a communist country. I was born in Romania and I spent the first eight years of my life there. And my father, he tried to defect twice. Both times he was caught. He served a total of nine months of prison just for trying to get out. We later learned that we actually had been approved stateside. We have family here. I have a, my dad has a cousin who worked with the State Department.

He was an activist in Romania. They tried to kill him in the old days. They tried. You know, if you had a high profile activist, what they would try to do is stage these accidents. And so they did it with him. He was on an operating table for a while. He barely made it out alive. He eventually left because he realized he could do more good alive than dead. And one of the things he did is he worked with the state department to get us visas and all those things but the romanian government would not allow us to leave and for eight years they sat on those visas and we didn't know yeah we didn't know until we they they finally one day for whatever reason they're like oh you've been approved for so and that's how you know that's how totalitarian the bureaucrats uh

that they work yeah you bureaucrats, they work. Yeah, you would think that they'd want to get the people who are opposing them out, but it's just the control. They want the control over your life. It's just an obsession with them. It is. It is. And that's what we're facing to some degree now. Robert Welch, again, our founder, used to write, he had a bulletin once where he wrote, what is communism?

And in there, I mean, he used to write these long, long letters, but one of the things that he wrote about, and you can, you can interchange, you can substitute communism for totalitarianism, for tyranny. And what he says is these people, the people behind this, this push, and there's lots of them again, these globalists, they're so diabolical that it's hard for a lot of us decent people to imagine, to imagine how they think. Yes. You know, and that's how they get us. You know, we, normal people cannot understand why they would, and I've used the analogy many times, Paul, of a serial killer, you know, like Ted Bundy. He seems so nice and he's so intelligent and the girls just can't understand that he's a

serial killer. Why would anybody do that? It makes absolutely no sense. Nobody can understand it. That's normal. And that's the way these people are. And the other thing we don't understand is how much technology they've got. We always underestimate their technology as well as how evil they are. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I don't know if you've ever, if you've touched on the whole transhumanist deal that they're working on. Our publisher for the New American Road, just recently... At LiveScoreBet, we love Cheltenham

just as much as we love football. The excitement, the roar, and the chance to reward you. That's why every day of the festival, we're giving new members money back as a free sports bet up to €10 if your horse loses on a selected race. That's how we

celebrate the biggest week in racing. Cheltenham with LiveScore Bet. This is total betting. Sign up by 2pm 14th of March. Bet within 48 hours of race. Main market excluding specials and place bets. Terms apply. Bet responsibly. 18plusgamblingcare.ie. I finished a book called The End Game and I read it and i was blown away man by the for instance the nanotechnology but also

the warnings of some of them uh including nick bostrom who works i don't know if it's mit or one of these uh you know high-grade institutions who understood and he said that we are going into what he called the whirling knives with this technology, but they're using this technology obviously for surveilling and manipulating us. And they're almost assuredly out of the bounds of the law when they're doing this. And they plan for this technology to, in some ways, they even plan to be these super humans. It's crazy. It sounds crazy, but they say it in their own words. There's documentation of them. You know, for instance, Klaus Traub talking about how we will be merged with a machine.

So they imagine a future like Yuval Harari talked about. What are we going to do with this useless class? When we have robots doing all the work. When, you know, we have some people who are so much smarter than others. What do we, and he calls it he calls it, in his book, 21 Lessons for the 21st Century, he talks about how, you know, there's going to be these thoughts are like, what do we do with this? Do we throw overboard?

He literally said, like, that's going to be the things that they're thinking about. And so we have to understand that these people are diabolical and that they look at us as perhaps cattle. They don't look at us as the same. They're elitist. And this has always been human nature. I mean, there's always been kings and rulers and dictators and whatnot

who thought what a small class of right next to him who thought they were better to rule than to love and that's what made the american uh experiment so different yeah it's a deviation it's a deviation and now they want to look at look at plato you know that elitism that he had in his republic and then you have um how they could technologically make that come to pass with a brave new world, right? Huxley's brave new world. And that's exactly where I think they are.

You look at you've a Ferrari and he says, well, we'll find a way that we'll keep them pacified with video games or something. Right. So you'll get the brave new. Yeah. You'll get the brave new world treatment. Unless you really understand what's going on. You push back, then you'll get the Orwellian treatment, the 1984 treatment, right?

And so they have these two different ways that they look at it. But one way or the other, these secularists, these atheists, people like B.F. Skinner, you're nothing but an animal, as you point out. And we're animals, but we're better than you. And we're going to control you psychologically, behavior psychology. And we're going to move you beyond freedom and dignity. Because we don't believe that you're created in the image of God. That's where these people are. That's what everybody needs to understand.

And it's amazing to me to see how I'd like to get your take on it. I look at Elon Musk, and he, along with Peter Thiel, people love them because they have cozied up to Trump and to Republicans. And Elon Musk has taken over Twitter. But if you look at their background, Elon Musk is talking about how we need to become cyborgs to survive. You've got Peter Thiel, who's founder of the Singularity, one of the founding financiers of the Singularity. These people are pushing us heavily towards the transhumanist agenda. Neuralink that Elon Musk has. That has always been the dream of the maniacs inside the CIA

and others to do mind control. That's what they're working at. And it just amazes me how by just purchasing Twitter, he's become such a hero to conservatives. What do you think? You know, Elon is a... You don't have to criticize him. I understand how dangerous it is to criticize these billionaires. I haven't made up my mind, and I don't think the John Birch Society

has taken an official position. You know, I think, for instance, he had this Twitter dump, the files, right? And I don't think anyone would argue that that was a bad thing. But like you said, I saw the, you know, the neural link thing. I think a lot of us have seen that image where he talks about, you know, mapping out, I guess at the time it was, they were using pig brains or something, right? Or pigs to map out their brain. And then of course, he has this transhumanist, he advocates for this. And the idea, of course, is that then we will download ourselves into the metaverse where we will live forever as gods and whatnot.

That's dangerous, dangerous stuff. National Geographic, you know, you were speaking about Disney earlier, and I think they own Disney, but, I mean, Disney owns them. Anyway, they have this this documentary i don't know if you've seen it year one million uh and i haven't seen that yeah yeah and well there's an episode there where it talks about downloading into i guess the metaverse and whatnot but they draw a a parallel to what they call the babylon uh the tower of babylon myth you know but they call it a myth but you know i i they call it a myth. But, you know,

I am a religious person. I'm a Christian. I don't think that's a myth at all because the history, I think it's very accurate what they're saying is they are seeking to be like God. That's what this is really all about. And again, it's very diabolical. We can look at the origins of the conspiracy or at least the origins at some point, because I know someone's going to argue and be like, well, it goes way back in there. Adam Weishaupt of Bavaria, right? He started the Order of the Illuminati. And one of his goals was to end religion. religion you know he went based on rationalism and uh and enlightenment as they call it which is again what's anti-religion and they wanted to uh and the family and inheritance and patriotism and of course ultimately to create this one world government it all stems from this this god complex that they have yeah what that means for you and me is if we're not on top with them, that little number, we're the serfs, we're the cattle. And if you can't tell that that's what's going on now, that's the way they look at you based on what they did in the last two years, then you are willingly blind.

That's right. Yeah, these people are minions. They don't even understand who they're serving. It's interesting that they discount Tower of Babel, they discount the Bible, and then they reproduce it. You know, we will become gods and we'll live forever. And you go back and you look at the Tower of Babel, I mean, anthropologists have always, they've talked about the plane of Shinar as being the cradle of civilization. It's like, how come this, what happened to spur the spontaneous appearance of civilizations all over the place? You know, the Chinese civilization, the civilizations in India, civilizations in Europe, and all this.

They all popped up all of a sudden. How did that happen? You know, just like instantaneously popped in there. And, you know, they don't have any theory to explain um uh theory to explain that but the bible explains it and right and it's interesting that they observe it and i've talked about it in the past how pretty much in every language the word for mother is mama you know and you get a little bit beyond that you get papa or baba and different other cultures like it's a little bit removed but i mean that connection there to mother mama that's kind of the one thing that didn't change.

I always find that to be interesting. But you see it in the Chinese characters. You see references back to the story of Genesis and things. But, you know, they don't realize really, I think many of them, what's controlling them. Maybe they do understand. But we need to understand that there is a conspiracy and it is a supernatural one and it's behind all this stuff. And I think that is the true issue. But the question is, what can we do about this? When you look at the people like Chris Christie and others, and I think it's a

major scandal that we went through this election cycle, as I said earlier in this show, with total silence from the Republicans on CBDC. They're moving very rapidly with this. Biden put out a thing back in March. He had orders to every organization within the federal government to come up with a plan to cover one of four different things. And then they gave him the reports in September. Already, they've got a pilot program being run by the Federal Reserve. It's moving very, very quickly. And I see only a handful of state senators who understand what's going on

and are trying to do something in their state. And that's the importance, as you pointed out, of having the knowledge that the states are really sovereign. The states created the federal government. We have nullification and interposition, and we need to understand what our legal rights are under the Constitution and stand for those and stand with politicians who understand that and will stand for them. Absolutely. We work really,

really hard to help people understand the Constitution. That is one of the biggest problems is that we have so much constitutional illiteracy. We have a lecture series. And, you know, that's actually how I came to the JBS is, you know, I'm going to admit it. Before I saw this series, before I really started digging into stuff, I was kind of a typical neocon. You know, I looked at folks with R's by their names and I was naive and I thought, well, these people are doing, you know, they talk a good game and they're doing well. But as we, as our members and our coordination, our leaders travel around, we realize that there's so much unconstitutional illiteracy. You know, folks just don't know what it says. They just don't know their rights under the constitution. And the consequences, the greatest consequences of that is

that then they elect others who equally either don't know or they're clever they do know and they just flout they just ignore it and so the so we we want to help people learn the constitution you know like i said we have a constitution as a solution series you can watch it free online you could order as dvd but but the point is then you kind of get to, you realize, because now you have a gauge. Now you realize it's like, ooh, what he said doesn't fit right. He may say he cares about freedom, but that's not going to work. Because now that gives the government more power and more centralization. And that's going to come back to bite us in the ass.

That's right. And so we have what's called a congressional scorecard. I don't know if you're familiar with it. You go to the New American, and there's a Freedom Index, and there you press it. And so this congressional scorecard, we take every member of Congress, senators and representatives, we take key votes. I believe it's 10 votes.

And we look at how they voted, and we give them an X or a check on that based on how much it adheres to the Constitution. Then they get a freedom score. So now, instead of just listening to them blabber on or whatnot, now you know, do they really adhere to the Constitution or not? And that's an educational tool. Whether it be Democrats or Republicans, this isn't a partisan issue. And I think that's part of the biggest problem is they want to lump us into these groups and they want to blind us by saying, oh, he's a Republican. He's good. It's like, well, no, no. We've been, like I said in my op-ed is like, we've been, from the last 60 years, there have been an even amount of Republican terms and Democratic terms. And it hasn't gotten any

better. Government has gotten bigger. Globalism has spread wide. The borders have been porous ever since. The debt, of course, is so high. I don't even think people even imagine that number, right? I mean, what is that number now? Nobody even... Yeah, tens of trillions of dollars you can't picture that you know it's just you know it's just it's yeah it means i again and and so we obviously that hasn't worked what works is what we need to do is realize uh again we need tools to realize who is actually walking the talk and that's why we built the tool congressional scorecard. You can get it. We made it available free. You can print it out. We've had members, for instance, out of Milwaukee, I think six months ago, Ted Cruz was in town for whatever reason. I don't remember. We had a member and he walked with his congressional scorecard. He walked right up to Ted Cruz and, you know, Ted Cruz doesn't have a terrible score. He doesn't have a great score, you know, and he pointed out his score

and his certain votes. I don't remember which votes it was. It was like, oh, that wasn't so good. And Ted Cruz's response was, oh, it looks like I need some work to do. And we've seen that. Yeah. Sometimes, sometimes that's the way they respond. So the point is, it's like, they'll either respond appropriately or we'll get someone in office who understands and has respect for that document, the Constitution, because that is, even if you don't understand the conspiracy, even if you don't understand, again, it gets complicated and what's working is, if we understand the Constitution, we now have a gauge and we have a shield against its attacks. That's right. Yeah, it is important to understand what our rights are. And people don't understand the structure of government. They don't understand the role of the states. And they don't even understand their own individual liberties and how important that is. And so it is ultimately education. You're absolutely right about that. Because education, free speech, those are flip sides of the same coin. That's why they don't want us having free speech.

They don't want us communicating with each other. They don't want us sharing information about what we've seen them do. I mean, we talk about the freedom score. What kind of a score do we give people who are part of this lockdown in any way, shape, or form? I mean, as far as I'm concerned, they get a goose egg. They get a zero if they had anything to do with this lockdown, and pretty much every single one of them did. And that includes at the state level as well. These governors, both Republican and Democrat, they're taking the federal money that Trump put out there with the emergency order,

taking that money and just running with it because it was basically just their money to hand around as political favors. In many of these cases, Republican governors like Brad Little had more than, several times more in terms of COVID money than the entire state budget. And that was at his political discretion. These people love power. And that kind of power has corrupted our government beyond

our imagination. Just like we can't imagine trillions of dollars, well, we can't imagine the kind of corruption that comes with trillions of dollars either. And so I think that's the key thing. We're at a time when things are moving very rapidly. You talk about how things don't change whether you have Republicans or Democrats. The only thing that changes is the speed at which things change under the tour. The direction does not change. And I believe that they deliberately switch out from a Democrat to Republican

just to slow things down, to get people to accustomed to it. You know, just to, you know, they've moved the Overton window so far that they got to give people a little bit time to catch up to it mentally and psychologically. So let's put a Republican in for a little bit and we'll just slow it down a little bit, but keep going in the same direction. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, mean, that seems to be what's happening. Like I said, this span.

But I think we can all agree that there was a hyper intense period during the Trump years to some degree and to obviously with COVID. And I know you're not a fan of Trump, but I believe that... Not a fan of the you're not a fan of Trump, but I believe that... Not a fan of the vaccine, not a fan of the lockdown. No, not at all. That last year, that was it, off the reservation completely. But I think it is important for us to be able to reorient ourselves

to local areas where we really can't get something done. I was talking earlier today about a state representative here in Tennessee who is aware of what's going on with CBDC, and he's trying to set up some state banks and some other gold depositories and things like that, which are really going to be necessary. And it's important to understand, I didn't know anything about this guy, I just happened to come across him. If you have an organization like the John Birch Society that's going to tell you when there's somebody there

who not only understands it, but is going to be honest enough to talk about it and to come up with some solution structures, it's time to focus on people like that and try to coalesce around them, the few people that we have, I think. Well, the money issue is just another tool of of of control obviously now once once they digitize money uh what privacy do you have left you know once they shove you in in the metaverse and they

tell you you can't leave home and you don't have a gasoline car you know so they'll turn off your your ev they'll turn down your thermostat whatever it is. And now all of a sudden you can't even buy anything without their permission. Now they have this digital currency. You're done. You're, you're, you're in the pen. I finished, I recently did a Freedom is the Cure podcast on money, on inflation, because I think that's another thing that people don't realize. We have, for instance, an Ed and the Fed Action Project. And the point of that is because if we get rid of the central bank, now we get rid of this collaboration, this immoral, corrupt collaboration between the central bank and government because they work hand in hand. They're manipulating money and they're printing money out of nowhere. And they can do this because there is no real money, no real value feathered to our money. So you can just print it.

If it's just numbers on a computer screen, you just print the debt. And now you don't have to go to taxpayers to give $300 trillion to Ukraine because you just, you know, you perpetuate your wars, your conflicts, so you can push your new neoliberal world order. And nobody looks because they don't notice it necessarily on their paycheck although with inflation you do and what inflation is is just part of that it robs you and and that's another that's another uh aspect of how uh they they mitigate our power and they again render us as the as cattle you know subject to their whims, to their little rules, to their corrupt systems.

And in this case, and meanwhile, while they rob us with inflation through inflation, they get richer because when that money comes out, they're right there at the beginning at the spigot. So they get, they have these stocks and they go up in value. And by the time inflation takes place, by the time it keeps going down the, you know, down the drain, it gets to us. By then, everything would have gotten expensive. And so now our savings are less valuable. We can buy less with it. Meanwhile, they've gotten richer and more powerful. Yes. And with inflation, that is one way they can do the Great Reset very rapidly. They can take everything from us with inflation. And it's not just that. I mean, you know, they've got the green reset to take away our fuel and to impoverish us through depriving us of energy, depriving us of energy and of mobility, all in the name of saving the planet.

They have to have those global agendas. And it's a very dangerous time. It's very important. That's why I think the John Birch Society serves a very important role in terms of education and in terms of organization and from doing it from the bottom up. So I really am always happy to have people on from the John Birch Society. And so again, Paul Dragoo, John Birch Society Communications Director, it's been great talking to you. Really appreciate you coming on and talking about that. Thank you for having me on, Dave.

I really appreciate that. Thank you. Before you go, though, tell people where they can get some of these. You mentioned that you have a Constitution series that's online that people, you know, they can get it on a DVD or whatever, but they can also get online. JBS.org. You can go to JBS.org. I believe it's under the tab Education, and you'll see the Constitution. So You can go to JBS.org. I believe it's under the tab education and you'll see the

constitution. So you can go there and at JBS.org, you can also go to act now, you know, you can look at our action projects or you can get in touch with a local coordinator. Again, if you don't know how to get started, if you don't know if there's a group near you, you, you know, you contact your local coordinator. All you do is you put your little zip code and then it'll tell you who it is and you can email them. There's that. As for information to keep track, you go to thenewamerican.com and that's our magazine. And we have daily online content put on there as well as a biweekly magazine where we do some of the most robust analytical work. We have veteran guys doing really, really good stuff.

People like William Jasper, Steve Bonta, and Dennis Barron. These guys have been in the game for a long time. So again, education and organization. I wanted also to add in, you had mentioned the green, one of the ways, that's a great example of how, for instance, in Iowa, we got our folks rallying around an anti-carbon captured pipeline deal. That's, you know, they're threatening to run through these people's properties. And these people didn't know what happened to them. So our folks organized and they started going to these meetings and teaching people.

This is part of what's called Agenda 2030. Yes. The great reset, whatever you want to call it. Obviously, if you read the documents, you'll see it's the same goals. It's pretty much. And so, again, that's another example of how we organize. And it's different for various reasons. But again, jbs.org and thenewamerican.com. Thank you, David. I really appreciate it. Thank you. Appreciate that, Paul. Yeah. Who would have thought that they would set

up a pipeline to pump CO2 in the ground? It's crazy. It's crazy. It's beyond sanity. It's beyond science. It's beyond everything else. So yeah, you do have to educate people about what is this? No, really? They're doing that? This is as crazy as Richard Levine. Thank you for joining us, Paul. It was great talking to you.

Folks, we'll take a quick break and we will be right back.