The David Knight Show - INTERVIEW Prelude to Pandemic: Anthrax Attack 22 Years Later, the Other 9/11 Shoe to Drop

Episode Date: September 18, 2023

The other 9/11 inside job, one week later, became the basis for what was done to the world in 2020.What happened with the Anthrax attackEven mainstream media exposed the False FlagCIA at the center, FBI destroys evidenceSetting up a patsyHow it was used to build foundation for the Pandemic False FlagAnd, the "National American Renaissance Movement" NationalARM.org, a grassroots organization to expose and block 2030 Agenda and medical martial law. David Meiswinkle, Esq. is a New Jersey criminal defense attorney, United States Army veteran, and retired police officer.Find out more about the show and where you can watch it at TheDavidKnightShow.comIf you would like to support the show and our family please consider subscribing monthly here: SubscribeStar https://www.subscribestar.com/the-david-knight-showOr you can send a donation throughMail: David Knight POB 994 Kodak, TN 37764Zelle: @[e-mail] App at: $davidknightshowBTC to: bc1qkuec29hkuye4xse9unh7nptvu3y9qmv24vanh7Money is only what YOU hold: Go to DavidKnight.gold for great deals on physical gold/silverFor 10% off Gerald Celente's prescient Trends Journal, go to TrendsJournal.com and enter the code KNIGHTBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-david-knight-show--2653468/support.

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All right, joining us now is David Meiswinkel. He is a New Jersey criminal defense attorney, a U.S. Army veteran, a retired police officer. And during his police tenure, he was a whistleblower, successfully addressing local, municipal, and police corruption. He served for three years as the president and the executive director of the Lawyers Committee for 9-11 Inquiry, and he now is a board member and president of a new organization, National American Renaissance Movement. We'll talk about that as well, but I wanted to get David on because we've spoken in the past about the anthrax attack and as i said

the beginning of the program i just want to underscore the chronology here for people the fact that we had one week after 9-11 we had this anthrax attack we're going to talk about that we're going to talk about subsequent investigations that david and others did with the lawyers committee for 9-11iry to update this after a couple of decades. But understand that this is a very important second shoe to drop of 9-11. And they understand, and you should understand as well, how these things are connected. So we're going to start with a review of the anthrax attack. Thank you for joining us, David. Appreciate it. Thank you very much, David. Thank you. And thank you for all that you've done. I know that you've been very, your bio here talks about how you have previously

co-hosted a quantum matrix radio show where you walked the 9-11 crime scene, not just in New York, but in Pennsylvania, the Pentagon and other places like that. So thank you for focusing on this. And again, this is a cold case, but it is not going to go away. It has transformed our world, and especially the second part of it, the anthrax attacks. Can you start with a review of the anthrax attack that happened 22 years ago? Sure. A week after 9-11, and that's where the Twin Towers came down, and there was a crash at Shanksville, and there was an incident at the Pentagon.

With all that terror and trauma, a week later, anthrax letters were sent out. It was September 18th. There were postmarked to Tom Brokaw and to a number of networks, NBC, CBS, ABC, etc. And that caused certainly an alarm. And meanwhile, within about two weeks or so, another set of letters were sent out and I that was to the Senate leader Democratic leader Tom Daxell and to Patrick Leahy in October 5th mr. Stevens who lived down in Florida died of anthrax and that was the first alert that there was actually an attack that was in the process. A number of things happened that were curious.

One is that Daxel got a second letter two days later on September 20th, it was postmarked, from actually St. Petersburg. And that was one of the areas that the lawyers' committee mentioned, that if he was a lone Wolf, that was Bruce Ivan said who became the primary suspect, how did he get down to Florida to mail a letter, then get back to New Jersey and not the, uh, Mr. It was no documentation of finance that he expended on that and no plane tickets, et cetera. Yeah. So let me ask you something.

Your first off though, before we get too far away from it, when these letters showed up to Tom Brokaw and Tom, and Tom Daschle and others like that, what made them, you know, wow, how come nobody died with that? How come they identified that as suspicious? I mean,

why would they be looking for something like that at that point in time? Well, at that time, there was rumors actually going around about anthrax. Just amazing. Well, at that time, there was rumors actually going around about anthrax. Just amazing. Actually, there was an exercise scheduled for the day after 9-11, 9-12, in New York City called the Tripod 2. And that was to be in Pier 92. And when 9-11 happened in New York City, all those people that were going to be in that exercise, which was going to involve anthrax, were already in New York City.

And what happened was that the emergency offices in Building 7 on the 23rd floor, they were evacuated that day. And they needed a place to set up for this to handle the emergency and conveniently and 90, Pier 92 was available. And so the emergency team moved into that. That was convenient. That was even more convenient was the person who headed that uh basically that set up and who headed the emergency uh uh services in new york city at that time was a guy named jerome haller and jerome haller uh conveniently all of a sudden advises uh cheney that his staff should take cipro which is an antidote to anthrax. Nobody knew that anthrax was in play at this time.

This September 11th, Jerome Hauer is advising Vice President Cheney and his staff to take Cipro. While George Bush is on a plane coming back to New York, supposedly he's taking Cipro. So there was a concern about anthrax. This is at least a week before the letter was anthrax was even sent out so that's highly suspicious yeah rome howler worked for a crawl uh security crawl is known as the cla wall street crawl was the security system there at the the towers trade center one of them and he was also the fellow that brought in john o'neill

john o'neill had been an expert counter-terrorism in in uh dealing with uh the terrorists and apparently he was too good at what he was doing and the fbi was very upset with what he was doing and it won't go into it but apparently he was being set up within the fbi so he got out he resigned and his first job was to be head of security at the twin towers and he was killed on 9 11 in the towers supposedly his body was found by none other than jerome howard who actually uh talked to him apparently the day before, the night before they had dinner. And again, it was very suspicious. Jerome Howard is still around.

He should be a person that should be talked to about this incident and even going up into the COVID-19 incident. Wow. And of course, as I frequently mention, it was two months before 9-11 that you had the simulation of everything that we did in real life in 2020, dark winter. The first time they talked, it had a large-scale simulation called a germ game or whatever with Johns Hopkins and the CIA and Fauci and all the rest of these people running this scenario. And they did it on an annual basis every year after that. But two months, the first one was two months before 9-11 then one week after 9-11 you got the anthrax attack and all the things that you just mentioned there indications that these people uh were uh talking a great deal about

anthrax and for some reason that was their focus with all of this and uh so we had um how many people were uh there was more than one person that died with the anthrax attack. David, five people died, 17 were injured. But going back to what you were talking about, that was called Dark Winter. Yes. That exercise. And who, the brainchild of that was Robert Cadillac. And eventually Cadillac becomes, again, involved in the COVID-19,

where there was another exercise right before the Wuhan incident, allegedly, and that was called Crimson Contagion. And what they were doing was simulating a respiratory, a virulent respiratory infection that came out of Wuhan, if you can believe that. And that had been going on for a few months in the various states in the United States. So Cadillac is involved both in the dark winter exercises that preceded the anthrax attacks, and he's again involved in the attacks, basically the COVID-19 attacks with Crimson Contagion. It's interesting how they seem to always have these exercises that are exactly identical to what actually happens.

I mean, exactly identical. At the same time, we even saw this in the UK with the 7-7 bombings. You know, they're at the exact same time. And it does create a lot of confusion for people, as we saw with the planes on 9-11 as this stuff was going on. Is this real or is this an exercise? But it's exactly, you know, what actually happens is exactly what they were going to be training on that day. Isn't that a curious coincidence?

You're right. It seems to happen quite frequently. There was another exercise called Event one, which was in October, which was again, simulating, uh, this sort of a pandemic and an illness. Uh, that was a short thing I think they did in the day, but eventually it seems like they rehearse this very well and then they go live. That's right. That's right. Now the anthrax attack, it went through several stages. And the first stage, of course, is to enhance alarm. And, you know, they were able, two months after this was out there, they were able to pass the Model State Health Emergency Powers Act, telling, you know, model legislation for the states to pass so that they could, you know, not have this being so obviously run from washington washington could give them money

to do it but they now got state laws that would authorize what they did to us in 2020 but but talk about the first thing that they did there was a lot of noise at first they blamed it on iraq talk a little bit about that well that's right uh it seemed like even before that i mean with the uh want to watch our show before bed? Streaming service, $100. Sure. Can you turn the light on so I can find the remote? Electric bill, $100. Sorry, your account has insufficient funds. Farber Debt Solutions.

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Together, let's give it to them visit edc.ca export for more the neocons and the project for new american century they wanted some action seemed like they had their eye on the middle east for a while iraq couldn't do anything right with them and uh as soon as the 9 11 happened even though there was no evidence to show that Saddam Hussein was involved, they tried to set him up that he was basically the front for the powers for Al-Qaeda. Muhammad Atta, who was like supposedly allegedly number one suspect and terrorist, that he met with Iraqi people in Prague, Czechoslovakia, and that was not true at all. But they were throwing a lot of dirt on Saddam Hussein. The problem was when they analyzed the anthrax, it didn't have betonite in it, alright, the betonite was a clay substance that was characteristic

of the Iraqi anthrax at one time so that wasn't there, what was there though was there was two major attacks the second was a more sophisticated anthrax than what Tom Brokaw

got, this was a Dax daxolahi and this was a a fine powder so fine that it was like an aerosol it just lifted up and when it was in a a test tube it was like dancing like like a jumping beans and it wouldn't want to get out it was alive they just they did they described in dancing and it was highly virulent and there was estimated that on one gram there was a trillion spores of this stuff and what made it it's incredibly dangerous was that there was silicon in it and the silicon just think of little glass beads that don't don't clump together but they're real slippery and that's what this stuff was at a nano level it was real slippery stuff and very dangerous and they sent it over to

the laboratory for didrick and dr essel who was an expert with this stuff he analyzed it well he got the pat the envelope and there was 12 people in the room and all of a sudden right in front of their eyes they noticed some of this stuff looked like it was coming out the side and it came out of the side it was it was such a dramatic moment they were panicked he went and got bleach diluted the bleach and snorted it almost knocked himself out by snorting it that's how dangerous they thought this stuff was so they've never seen anything like this before. This was not the, anybody and not country could be manufacturing this and what they eventually discovered, basically,

it would had it come from the United States laboratory because we were the most sophisticated in development. And even the mainstream media pointed that out. And so what you're describing there is the types of things that, you know, everybody is now trying to talk about the Wuhan lab. And, you know, I look at this and I believe that the bioweapon was not anything that came out of Wuhan. I believe it was the vaccine, clearly. However, we need to be concerned about these gain-of-function programs because of what you just described. They're very sophisticated, highly aerosolized, and very potent, the type of thing that could only come from the United States.

We're the ones who had that technology, and that was a smoking gun that was there. You mentioned Woolsey, James Woolsey. And what was it that you said that he was doing i forget what you said because i started writing it down i said oh yeah this is the guy who played the president in dark winter in the simulation they had woolsey former cia playing the president in the first dark winter simulation what was it that what was his involvement in this again he gave a statement uh that's my understanding that of the connection between Al-Qaeda and Iraq, which didn't exist. He drummed that up and said that there was a meeting in Prague, Czechoslovakia, in Prague,

and that that involved, that was a connection, or one of the connections to, you know, eventually attack Iraq and say that they had some connection with Al-Qaeda and that Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden, in my understanding, didn't get along at all. There was no connection there, right? They created the connection so that they could justify going in to a country that was not even involved in 9-11. And then we want to kill a million people and use depleted uranium and, you know, get a foothold there. It's really a terrible situation.

Come up with a new justification. And they kept coming, you know. The mainstream media pushed back on this narrative that it was coming from Iraq as soon as they found out the details about this, as you were just talking about how highly weaponized it was. They said, well, that couldn't be coming from Iraq for the reasons that you mentioned, the Bentonite things that would be characteristic of Iraq and how much more sophisticated it was. And then eventually, so that kind of shut that down. But of course, we all know that then they had their torture program and the CIA got

lies about weapons of mass destruction based on their torture program that was used as the, the big lie to get us into Iraq. Eventually they got what they wanted, but let's follow this thread again, CIA, CIA line, torturing, lying us into the Iraq war, but a Woolsey former head of the CIA making the connection, you know, the bogus connection, uh, to Al Qaeda and to Iraq. And, uh, also, you know, even playing the president in the dark winter simulation. But then what happens, the New York Times and other press, maybe even the Washington Post came out and said, no, this isn't Iraq.

That's correct. That came out. They started pushing back against that pretty early on. Is that correct? Or did that take the plunge? Well, what happened was that instead of finding it was a bet night, they couldn't blame Iraq for it, really. My car needed repairs, but I could only pay for half of them.

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to be destroyed. They destroy evidence right at the beginning of an investigation. All right, that's what they do. Inside job, yeah. So you would think that anything that a rookie police officer is told, you preserve the scene, preserve the evidence. And it's typical, too, in 9-11 when they carted off all the steel. The steel was forensic experts could look at that steel and and tell you a lot as far as what the how it came down and you know and by the malformations on it what destroyed it in that sense and same with the

aim strain there was a dna involved there uh so now we know that it's an american product made in america and then they had to blame some people and then look very hard uh the ones that were most obvious they did not uh go after uh they went after uh Stephen Hackfield who was a scientist and eventually for three years they hounded him and he turned the tables on him went public and then sued him he sued the FBI and got four million dollars you can believe that right for personal injury and then at the time they went after Bruce Ivins but excuse me they had information or evidence we I mean we had the evidence I mean we lawyers committee developed it if you want to see an excellent uh grand jury petition go to LC lc4911.com.

And you can pull up that petition, which we worked on. And who was on that? Graham McQueen was on our committee. Merle Nass. And Graham McQueen wrote a book on that, on anthrax. Merle Nass was on our committee. She was an expert in bioweapons. And, of course, the the lawyers committee was there. We had a top notch group of people that looked into it. So what we found out

that they blamed Bruce Ivins eventually because of these what I call magical morphs. There was a mutation that was discovered that Kleiner said it was in his flask that he was using because everyone would go to him to get uh vaccine uh get anthrax so they could work on the vaccine projects and stuff like that so he had a thousand milliliter flask it's called rmr 1029 and in that flask was found these magical morphs but what they didn't tell the public and they didn't tell Congress is that 85% of that content of that flask came from Dugway. And they didn't tell them that Dugway and Battelle were very close.

They worked together. Battelle was the expert in aerolization. Dugway could create that type of material that aimed strain. And they didn't tell the public that Bruce Ivins had another flask that was his at 1030. That was his stuff. Sometimes when Dugway would send this stuff, he needed a little extra and he'd use his. They tested his flask. It was totally clean. His flask was clean the the stuff coming from dougway was dirty now what happens is the fai eventually orders all that there's about 20 different agencies in the united states that was working on this stuff over a thousand exhibits

come in or a thousand uh you know samples and they only find eight samples that had these magical morphs. Seven of them came from Musamerid, which is where Ivins worked. That's Fort Dedrick. One came from Battelle. Now, they never told anyone one came from Battelle. It was four different morphs that were the variant. And they didn't tell people anything about the content of that coming from Dugway. So how Dugway gets out of having these tested, the requirement was you had to grow the stuff, and then they would analyze it and look for the morphs. But if it was dead, you didn't have to do that.

So conveniently, all of Dugway's stuff from their big vat was dead so they were tested all right never tested although they could have been tested they were criticized later by the national academy of sciences for not testing the dead morse because they would have been a dna on that which would have showed that it came from doug way but the protocol was set up by the fbi we don't have to test dead more. So Doug Wiggin dead Morris. They want to test. Wow. It's amazing.

Yeah. So they destroy evidence and then they come up with a rationale to not test this stuff, to show the connection to it. And, and it turns out that, um, it was not just, um, you know, how it was weaponized, but also the way, if I recall, when we talked before, uh, it was the way that the delivery mechanism, I mean, when we talked before, uh, it was the way that the delivery mechanism, I mean, it was the, the thing itself. And then the way that it was delivered, all of this pointed to not just American, but to specific labs. And they chose not to look at those labs.

Instead, they set up this guy, Bruce Ivins as a, as kind of a fall guy, didn't they? Right, right, David. And, and another thing that was smoking gun in there was the B. subtilis. B. subtilis is a substitute instead of putting this daintrix out, sometimes you use the B. subtilis. And that was regularly a contamination in Doug Way's fermenters. Their giant fermenters had the B. subtilis, and Bruce Ivins didn't have the B. subtilis. The sad thing about this, and we got to talk to a lot of people,

we had Richard Lambert came in and basically spoke with us for two and a half hours. Richard Lambert was the head of the investigation, the anthrax investigation at one time, the FBI investigation. He left. He was like a whistleblower because he was being obstructed himself. He told us he had 16 pages on Ivins, and there was evidence to indicate he was innocent, and the FBI wouldn't allow that to go forward. He said when he left, there was a 2,000-page summary he gave to the FBI. We tried to get a hold of that. We couldn't get a hold of it.

You probably only can get a hold of it if Congress subpoenas it. And the lawyers' committee are going to try again to go in there, and I think they're going to try to go through a judge. They tried to go through the U.S. attorney unsuccessfully to get them to look at this information that's in the petition. It's so key, and that's why I really appreciate it. It was a couple of years ago, I think, that we talked, and you guys were in the middle of this investigation or just concluded it. And we talked about it a couple of different times I had you on.

And very, very key because, again, there were red flags all over the place about how they were lying and misrepresenting this and using it as a false flag, even the mainstream media agreeing about that and then it just kind of disappears and um as you point out they they falsely accused one guy he sued them got millions i think he said four million dollars judgment against them but they kept coming after this scapegoat guy out there and um and then eventually uh he died or committed suicide. And then they jump in and blame him 100% for all of this stuff. And it wasn't, as your research showed, he didn't have access to this. But there is absolutely no interest in the mainstream media or in Congress to try to get to the truth of this.

The FBI destroying evidence from the very beginning. And it really is foundational to what happened to us in 2020, isn't it? Right. Well, I think that's because of the captured media. That's why you have a show now, David, because you're part of the alternative in trying to bring truth to people.

The media is totally captured. It was the Project Mopping Bird or whatever, that the only assets are in there, the agents are in there. Unfortunately, you're not going to find any truth in the media anymore, at least mainstream, for the most part. Maybe you could find out, you know, the score of the Yankee game or, you know, the Packers game or something like that.

And lots of times I think that's why I read the papers, just for the sports. I think maybe there's more integrity in that. But, you know, you're totally right that the media is totally deceptive. That's why they get away with this. You know, we've seen a similar pattern now. Look at Bruce Ivins as a patsy. He didn't do this, okay? We got to know him a little bit.

I actually talked to his son. He's a police officer now. And he doesn't want to talk to anybody. I mean whole family was traumatized but he was a good guy he said you're the first person i've talked to since his dad's death that was you know trying to solicit or not trying to get you know information we had uh two people that intimately knew him thought he was murdered and we had we talked to four three colonels we got affidavits from them saying that bryce moose ivan's couldn't have done it this was from fort dedrick you're simmering you know united states military research institute of infectious diseases and uh they uh basically

gave us in fact colonel anderson gave us a treasure drove of documents never seen before that are exhibits in the lawyers committee petition so if you go there you can see the uh the exhibits there and see some of dr what dr colonel anderson gave us uh they were when bruce ivans died the church was filled totally hundreds of people there everyone was crying that's that's the account they knew this guy was a good guy they knew he was a patriotic guy they knew he was set up he couldn't have done it and you're right the media is disgraceful they allowed this to happen now we've seen other though patsies being set up and maybe it even goes back to uh lee harvey oswald saying he was a patsy yeah or goes back to james earl ray and Earl Ray and information

evidence to say he wasn't. I think the Martin Luther King family doesn't believe he was the killer. Then you have Saran Saran. It seems like he was under some kind of MKUltra program. And then you even have Mark Chapman that kills John Lennon. You have a lot of these supposedly

lone nuts. But this was an organized effort. This was not a loner. This was not a lone nuts. But this was an organized effort. This was not a loner. This was not a lone wolf. This was not Bruce Ivins. They might have had programs. They had these programs they called Chatterbox and even have a program called Satan where they can, these are intelligence agencies, they can get in people's

minds and maybe you don't even know they're in your mind. And they can make you do things you wouldn't normally do or react. The FBI even had a woman there who's supposedly his counselor uh forget her name maybe it's jane dula or something like that and we she should be further investigated for sure but she basically gave a she came and signed a complaint against him uh and she was his supposedly his therapist or counselor but uh apparently she was on probation all right for something and apparently the word is that the fbi coached her into doing that and

that totally blew really what what what semblance of stability bruce ivan's had i think he lost it at that point when his own therapist turned against him his own counselor and uh then they were watching him 24 7 my understanding and they knew he went to the drug store and you know apparently bought some some things and uh you know i think they know a lot more they were advised by their own psychiatrist not to lean on this guy because he was fragile. He was not a Stephen Hatfield. Hatfield was stronger of constitution and will. He turned against them and he won his lawsuit against them.

Ivins was maybe a different type of person. And he was very reflective and very emotional, it seemed like. And the FBI undressed him in in public he had some secrets that just like we all probably have some secrets and he was so uh forthcoming to his detriment even his attorney said you don't want you to talk to these guys basically i think paul kemp who we talked to too so we talked to all the key people that were around there uh we talked to uh barbara patch rosenberg who led the started the investigation actually she thought hatfield did it at first we talked to martin u jones who was an expert we read their material on anthrax

so we know what we're talking about about about anthrax at that time how sophisticated this was they didn't think that bruce ivan's did it royal nasa was an expert on our committee she didn't think she knew him as a friend you know so it was it was terrible it's disgraceful what they did to that family the fbi was he and it's not only in the whole organization it was just those key people that they set in there like uh like like attack dogs on him that's what they did oh yeah yeah and it's not the first time or the only time we've seen that. I mean, they've gone around and collected evidence and destroyed it for Flight 800,

so many different things that they've done that way. It is a pattern of behavior, and they have the people that they can use to do that type of thing. So as it stands right now, you guys put together, and this has been there for a couple of years, a tremendous amount of documentation disproving everything that the fbi said and pointing to the cia there is more information that could be obtained but you don't have the power to subpoena that and you can't get anybody

in government that is interested in helping with that but we can see the overall picture of this and we can see how this is of one piece with 9-11 uh all these two things just intertwined in all these different threads not just woolsey but all of this the same actors and and the same types of mo that we've seen from these different attacks and uh and i think as i said before, and it's just my opinion, David, that 9-11 was a way of attacking our country and its foundation, changing it more for surveillance and monitoring surveillance police state. and this pandemic thing that they unleashed on us in 2020 was practice planned. And it goes back to the anthrax attack and the legislation that followed it, you know, all this climate stuff. But it became worldwide. And I think, you know, this thing is expanding like that. And this is the way that we're seeing them move as the alarm and the panic

becomes more and more widespread for greater societal change across the globe. And that's really what this all eventually came to. It's why they practiced it for 20 years and then executed exactly what they'd been practicing. It truly is amazing to watch this. But when they start their practicing of their games, when they start these simulations and wind up having exactly the same thing happen at exactly the same time and place and exactly the

same way they're practicing it. I mean, these people are meticulous about it, aren't they? Right. Well, you know, we talked about, uh, Dax O'Leary getting the, uh, anthrax attack, you know, uh, that really. Well, they were holding up the Patriot act at the time. And, uh, uh, Janie had told them, gave them a date, and they wanted to modify it or compromise it and look at it closer.

And they basically were attacked for wanting to slow that down. Yeah, kind of a shot across the bow. That's pretty interesting. But what you're saying, too, with regards to Bill Benny, who was a friend of ours at lawyers committees, he talked to us, and he personally told our group that your emails,

your text messages, your cell phone communications, and your messaging, your searches, are all being harvested now and stored. Let's just insert here, Bill Binney, NSA technical head for several decades, an NSA whistleblower, straight up guy. I've interviewed him myself. But yeah, as Bill Binney said, everything is.

And I had an interview with him once and I said, so what should people do to protect their privacy? He goes, there isn't anything you can do to protect your privacy. He said, they can get anything. He says, if they're interested in you, they they're gonna find some way to get through it anyway you're talking about civil liberties and you're talking about now them becoming more i mean actually telling you to take a vaccine that hasn't been approved yeah no informed consent you don't know what's in it people are dying from it getting sick from it and they're still telling you to give it to your baby, six-month-old babies.

So they've upped the ante now from 9-11 and the Patriot Bill, where they're looking at all your personal correspondence on your computers, etc., and your text, where they're actually now trying to legislate and regulate how you go to work for lockdown downs and distancing and masking and having to take these vaccines it's it's terrible so people have to draw a line now freedom is really the the major uh issue that's amazing that's a key thing yeah when you look at it and again you know all the games that they practice for 20 years all the rest of this stuff but i think one of the key things was fauci October, 2019, the Milken Institute saying, uh, well, how do we get rid of these, uh, these requirements of test drugs and stuff?

He goes, well, you do it from the inside. You do it with disruption and you do it iteratively. Right. I mean, he laid it out right there for everybody. Uh, they were doing it, but let's talk a little bit about what you're doing now. The national American Renaissance movement. Tell us a little bit about what you're doing now. The national American Renaissance movement. Tell us a little bit about that. Well, this is really an exciting project and it's just beginning

and now American Renaissance movement. We call it national arm. It's national versus global. So we're not particularly keen on globalists. In fact, I look at them as a Trojan horse, the world economic form of the United nations or the World Health Organization. These are agencies we don't really need to make us more prosperous people or healthier people or more informed people. They're the exact opposite.

They're there to enslave us and to use their money to buy our politicians, to our our industries and and basically uh uh put their agenda in there their agenda is 2030 we've seen it from klaus schwab you will own nothing you'll be happy what kind of nut it would say that you own nothing you'll be happy that's because they own everything and you will be all zombies and slaves and or there is a his rasputin harari who says you're now hackable forget about your soul your spirit your freedom your dignity you're a thing you're in commerce you know we control you that's what we're that's what we're talking about so that is is a repulsion that I mean any normal human being would have and what I say David David, is because lots of times it's out there,

I tell people, and this is a little story. One time I was sick. I went to Rutgers University, and I remember I was a student. I was sick for a while, and I remember during the period of time I had a really bad fever, and I was reading a book, and the book was The Godfather of all books, and I was reading it straight through. And there's a section there where they're talking and the guy says uh he says it's uh not not personal it's

business business and then the guy says it might have been the godfather said i mean michael michael corleone himself he says he says it's personal everything is personal so what i would say to people out there this is personal this is an attack on you your family your loved ones your country this is personal take it personal and when you take it personal all of a sudden it's not something on a tv screen or a computer screen or a book it's something right in your face is a guy right in your face who, as I say, they like to put a boot on mankind forever. That's one of the descriptions, I think, in Lowell with 1984. Well, that's what they want to do.

Take it personal. When you take it personal, you're going to find you have a strength and a courage you didn't have. And the reason you're going to take it personal is because you have a love that they don't have. You have a love for mankind. You have a love for your country. You have a love for the Constitution. You have a love for the Bill of Rights to keep you free. And when you realize that's all at stake, take it personal, please. Yes, yes, absolutely. Yeah, you're going to be wearing that boot on your face, just like they want you to wear the mask on your face if we don't do something about it. And the key thing, they keep telling everybody 2030,

and that's been there for a very long time. They understand that Biden has talked about it. Everybody talks about millennials and the different generations, and we know that we're in a fourth turning. If you look at this, they understand the time of this. We're in the midst of a fourth turning. They want to have their new society in our face and on top of us within the next seven years. So this is happening right now.

And, uh, we have to be aware of that. So we're not fooled by the next, uh, alarm that they come out with it. Uh, but, uh, your organization is national, uh, um, American Renaissance movement. And the website is national arm, a R M.org. Tell us a little bit more about, um, about what you're doing at, at national, uh, national arm arm.org tell us a little bit more about um about what you're doing at at national uh uh arm let's just thank you well as i said that national as opposed to global the a is for america that's our nation state we want to preserve it the r is for renaissance rebirth or revolution in the sense of the founding fathers. We're heirs to that

great history. We should embrace it now, especially now, and realize that. And for the arm is movement. We want to do a grassroots movement throughout the entire country. What we're doing now, our first initiative really is a grand jury petition. It's depending on the state, it's between 82 to 85 pages. And what it does is it outlines 15 crimes. There's federal crime, state crimes, and crimes against humanity, the Nuremberg Code violations, etc. And what we want to do is to custom make that template, have a template, and give it to law enforcement throughout the country, to every county prosecutor, every sheriff, every governor, and every attorney general. And it'll list persons of interest, starting with Fauci, number of persons of interest, and any of the listeners out there, I'm sure you could add to it. But if you want to access it, as you mentioned, it's nationalarm.org.

There's a legal section there. You can drop it down. The states that have been thus far given this document are New Jersey, Florida, Texas, Tennessee, and Idaho. And we're working on a number more. If there's some attorneys out there who want to help to look up the law for the various states, we can use that help for sure. And, you know, we'll work together and get that done quicker, sooner than later. But we are asking law enforcement, and here's the strategy different, what I learned anyway, from 9-11, when we went

to the federal court, we had a very good grand jury petition in new york city at ground zero which was presented to the u.s attorney there for an investigation to show that this towers came down through controlled demolition and we had gathered the evidence from architects and engineers for a long time repackaged it and put a little bit of our own in there took them five years this eventually supreme court wouldn't accept it it was denied because of standing. Even though people lost their relatives, their sons, their husbands,

their loved ones in there, they said they had no standing for just a grand jury to receive the evidence and look at it, not make any decision on it, just to look at it. Now, the same thing we did with the Lawyers Committee before I left, we submitted it to the same thing we did it with lawyers committee uh before i left we

submitted to the u.s attorney in washington anthrax and the anthrax is is a wonderful investigation we did i think we took everything up a notch from what had been out there yeah and it was our investigation it wasn't that we didn't borrow from architects and engineers or anything to help them put it together this was our creation creation. It's still there. My understanding is they're going to try and go through a judge right now, which is maybe a federal court judgment. Maybe that's what we have to try if the U.S. attorney won't take it. What we're trying to do here with the national arm is we're trying to go to the states' rights thing, the Tenth Amendment thing.

We want the states to finally say, hey, this is a crime that's affecting our people in our state. So many people have died. So many people have been disabled. So many people have gone to the hospital with serious injuries. So let's look at this and let's bring some of these alleged suspects to the forefront and investigate it. Now, we have persons of interest. It's somebody that has information that could be helpful to an investigation, someone that might want to cooperate with an investigation, or someone who basically needs more investigation. All right?

So, as I said, the list is there. There's 149 exhibits. Now, this is something that's a little bizarre, but this is where it is in the cutting edge. One of our board members is Dr. Annacha she's an expert she's a pathologist over 25 years but she's become an expert in dark field microscopy and she has with her microscope which is 4 000 magnification and five times brighter than a regular microscope that a doctor would look at. She's found a technology in these vaccines that we've never seen before. These are hydrogels that are self-replicating

and micro dots, which is like a technical electrical little circuit that is going into the blood system and into the blood cells. And what this research matches up with Clifford Corningham's research, which maybe you've never heard of him. He'd be excellent to put on. He's a scientist. He studied air quality for over 25 years. He's found all these heavy metals that are in there, titanium, strontium, aluminum, that we're breathing at a nano size all the time. Chem trails are not condensation trails, all right?

They're not good for us. That's right. So what he's found, too, is the Morgellons. He's an expert on Morgellons blood. time chemtrails are not condensation trails all right they're not good for us that's right so what he's found to is the morgellons he's an expert on morgellons blood and he's found a protein there nobody the government won't identify it he called it across the main bacteria now dr anna mahals just working separately and dr uh in clifford cornicum, they found each other in their work and they compared the work. What Clifford's found in the blood analysis, the same thing she's finding, is an attack on the red blood cells and oxygen in people.

So people have long COVID or they have chronic fatigue syndrome. This is something you can connect to the blood. And it's like an oxidation in the blood where blood has iron in it well clifford's found the iron the f i think it's fe2 turned into fe3 it's like rust it's slowing you down so again even though we look at this as is what's this all about let's look at the context and we have to look at the the globalists what are they up to we can see the pharmacies look at the globalists, what are they up to? We can see the pharmacies for the safe and effective medicine, which it's not, they've got emergency use authorization, Pfizer, for poison, they've made over $100 billion. So you might think,

well, that's what the theme is. This crime is just to get money, raking profits, which they've done. Or this is just to basically make the people more conformity, more like sheep and stuff. But this is even more. Look at it as a transhumanistic type of thing, what they're doing in these vaccines. And again, Dr. Anna Mohalczyk, she's on the front line.

She's one of our board members. Joe Sansone, who's leading the jab in Florida, he's one of our board members. Joe Sansone, who's leading the jab in Florida, he's one of our board members. He's gotten 10 counties, the executive committees in the Republican Party, to ban the jab. Why? Because it's toxic and poisoning people.

Dr. Anna's saying the same thing that Clifford Carnicum's saying. You've got to look at these vaccines and you have to have the equipment to do it. It's more sinister even than you think. It's more sinister even than you think. Yes. More sinister even than you think, David. Yeah, that's the thing.

I tell people all the time and I have to keep telling myself that as well. We continually, as George Bush would say, misunderestimate the evil of these people and their technology. And that's the key thing. We look at this and you can't believe how evil some people are. You know, it's just like nobody believed that Ted Bundy could be that way. That's how he got away with his crimes. And that's how these people get away with it.

And we also don't realize just how advanced their technology is. It is like, you know, it's beyond what you've even seen in a lot of science fiction stuff. So that is the key thing. And you're exactly right. We've got to investigate this at the state level and the local level because there is no interest whatsoever in investigating any of this stuff at the federal level. Tell me a little bit about what's going on in Tennessee because you mentioned Tennessee. I live in Tennessee. What's happening in Tennessee with this? Well, I know there's some kind of sovereignty and nullification action down there, and some of the people have asked

for the petition. So we're just getting that petition together for them, and we'll give it to them to submit to their law enforcement. And we'll send it. So we just sent actually yesterday, I sent something to the governor down there. we're using thumb

drives now and certified mail so we know that they get it uh thumb drive to into the attorney general we've done that to texas too and uh i said we want to do it to the whole country we're a little bit behind in doing that because uh we're just starting up we have the big you know i wouldn't say dreams but we want to do a lot of good things and we need the good people to help us do it yeah and uh and and i think they will come i think when we say this is going to be a movement that's what we want to do we want to organize the states so that every state has an arm so tennessee will have an arm pennsylvania have an arm and what that means is american renaissance movement movement, Renaissance rebirth or revolution.

But it's at a higher level. We want a new thinking in a sense. And I call out to the artists. I mean, lots of times the artists or the poets or the philosophers are the ones that might lead the way. But we need a new way of thinking. We're all captured by this media. And if you're locked into the media, we don't even realize that we're in a smoky room and you you can't breathe really good in this room we got to create the new form the new room which doesn't have all this toxic that you inhale is however you inhale it and that's what this is

about creating a new society we hope to eventually look at the issues maybe it would be finance because you we mentioned they want to implode the economy, basically bring us down. They want to reset it. They want to have a new kind of currency, digital currency they can control. All right. Well, if we don't have an alternative, well, they're going to get their way, maybe, because that's the only thing out there.

People are desperate and panicked. So we want to anticipate. We want to take them serious at their word, as you said, 2030. OK. Some people told me it's really earlier. They tell us 2030 by that time they'll have it locked in yeah but i think they want to have it they want it that's their ideal society that they want to have by 2030 so i absolutely do believe they're going to try to take everything down and then rebuild it by 2030 so we've got less than seven years uh even six years, because we're at the end of 2023 now.

It's moving really quickly. Yes. We can expect they're going to have, I mean, they've laid this out. I mean, they've had years and years to think about how they're going to do this. And you can imagine, we believe this pandemic was planned, as you said, a plandemic as Mickey Willis says in his movies, and that they have an agenda that they're ready to go to B, C, D, E, whatever they have to do to eventually have society capitulate. So it's really

interesting coming up. This is an interesting phenomenon that with Robert Kennedy and the Democratic Party, I mean, he seems to be the only person that looks like a Democrat from the old days when I was a kid. And then you have the Trump phenomenon, which is really interesting, going on in 2024 here, coming up, big election.

You've got Biden looking really shaky. So who knows what's going to happen? You know, hopefully there is an election. Hopefully it's a fair election. I mean, that might be asking for too much, much right but a nice fair election would be fantastic and we're still going to play the election by the rules that were put in in 2020 you know we've had another election in the interim uh they put in that vote by mail thing the key thing is that we got to stop people we got to make sure they don't get a sucker punch off on us you know what i'm saying and that means that

people need to understand what the plan is we talk to people about cbdc and most of them don't get a sucker punch off on us. You know what I'm saying? And that means that people need to understand what the plan is. We talk to people about CBDC and most of them don't know what that is. And it's like, well, I don't know, you know, but if you go down and you talk to them, for example,

on that one issue and you tell them, these are the things, you know, just, just list out the things that have been talked about by the various central banks about what they want to do. And nobody likes that. It's like,

you know, 75, 80% of the people oppose every single aspect of CBDC. They just don't know it by the name CBDC. And they don't understand it's the plan. They don't understand it's coming. I've talked to people about banning on automobiles and at car shows. And they'll say, yeah, it's going to happen, but it's not going to happen in my lifetime. They just don't understand how fast this is going what the plan is the best thing that we can do right now is just give people the intel so they don't get a sucker punch with this stuff like we've been uh you know punched in the gut

with 9-11 and with the pandemic in 2020 that's the key thing if people understand what's going on i knew what was happening immediately because i had seen dark winter, you know, and I knew about all that stuff. And, and, but so if people know about that, uh, they'll, they'll be wise about this and they won't panic because panic and fear is what they have to have to make their plan work. And, and knowledge is the way that we stop that panic and fear, in my opinion. That's right. A hundred percent. I agree with you. And that's what we're trying to do is educate the public, but first we're trying to pull it while we're educating that's what we're trying to do is educate the public but first we're trying to well while we're educating the public we're trying to educate law enforcement we believe that there has to be a courageous uh law enforcement attorney general governor that's going to have i see that desantis is doing some good things in florida there's some action down there maybe other

governors can take a lead from that his surgeon generalgeon General, Oladipo, I think, is doing an investigation now. We don't know how that will go. We don't know if it will be compromised, but at least it's happening. And it's an example for other governors to do it and for other prosecutors to step up and do it. It needs to be done. It has to be done. We can't allow what happened in 9-11 to happen here. We can't allow it to get done.

Exactly. be done we can't allow what happened in 9-11 to happen here we can't allow it to get done exactly we'd always like to see it happen sooner and a greater degree and everything but whenever something like that happens we have to uh stand you know encourage it and say we need to see more of this and maybe we can get some other people to join in in other states and maybe they will go further and maybe they will do it faster and so forth but you you're exactly right. We've got to do this as a grassroots movement. And you know, from your experience, just how insular Washington is and how corrupted it's become. Again, the organization is nationalarm.org. And we're talking to David Meiswinkel. Thank you so much, David. Appreciate all the work that you've done and it's very important. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. Thank you, David.

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