The David Knight Show - INTERVIEW Put Ya’ll Back in Chains

Episode Date: August 8, 2023

Democrat policies have destroyed black families, communities, and work ethic — and Biden wants to do this for EVERYONE.Horace Cooper, constitutional scholar and radio/TV commentator joins to talk about his book,Put Ya’ll Back in Chains: How Joe Biden’s Policies Hurt Black Americans. Why Supreme Court struck down affirmative action and will do the same with reparations. Blacks have been vital to Democrat (and Biden) power, but they're worried this election cycle, especially with the rising challenge from black marxist Cornell West.Find out more about the show and where you can watch it at TheDavidKnightShow.comIf you would like to support the show and our family please consider subscribing monthly here: SubscribeStar https://www.subscribestar.com/the-david-knight-showOr you can send a donation throughMail: David Knight POB 994 Kodak, TN 37764Zelle: @[e-mail] App at: $davidknightshowBTC to: bc1qkuec29hkuye4xse9unh7nptvu3y9qmv24vanh7Money is only what YOU hold: Go to DavidKnight.gold for great deals on physical gold/silverFor 10% off Gerald Celente's prescient Trends Journal, go to TrendsJournal.com and enter the code KNIGHTBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-david-knight-show--2653468/support.

Looking for reliable IT solutions for your business? At Innovate, we are the IT solutions people for businesses across Ireland. From network security to cloud productivity, we handle it all. Installing, managing, supporting and reporting on your entire IT and telecoms environment so you can focus on what really matters – growing your business. Whether it's communications or security, Innovate has you covered. Visit Innovate today. Innovate, the IT solutions people. All right, welcome back. And before we go to our guest, Horace Cooper, who has not just written

this book, but of course, he's also writes columns. He's a commentator and a constitutional scholar as well. He's got a lot to talk about. I just want to say real quickly to a couple of people who just left tips on Rumble, Macor7, thank you very much. And also on Rumble, YJ72 said, thank you, David. We don't have healthcare, we have sick and death care. Yeah, that's right. That's all they care about is getting us sick and dead. So going to, let's talk about the economic issues and how they want to put us all in chains. And the book again is Put Y'all Back in Chains, How Joe Biden's Policies Hurt Black Americans from commentator and constitutional scholar, Forrest Cooper. Thank you for joining us, Mr. Cooper. Hey, it's great to be on the program. Thank you. And I'll just tell listeners, or watchers, I should say,

because the listeners are just getting the audio anyway. He told me he's out on the sticks, and he doesn't have the bandwidth for us to do the video, so there's a little bit. Usually we've got a guest window up there that we'll show you, but we'll just keep the video feed on me. And Travis can put up the book so you guys can see what the book looks like as well as we're talking. Tell us a little bit about your book.

Who's the target audience of this? Is this written just to black people or are they trying to put us all in chains? No, actually, they are trying to put us all in chains. But the purpose of the book was not to persuade Black Americans or to persuade conservative Americans. The purpose of the book is to have a conversation with those individuals who think that the best way to help Black America is specifically targeted policies that are separating races and picking racial winners and losers. This phenomenon has had disastrous effects whenever it's been tried, and we're trying it again, and it is having similar effects.

Yeah, you're absolutely right. Burgess Owens, a black congressman from, I think he's from Utah, talked about how vibrant the middle class was before they started all these welfare programs. And we've heard this from a lot of different people all over the place about how the we would think well-intentioned, you know, we're going to give people a hand up, but how it has been really detrimental and counterproductive, hasn't it? Oh, absolutely. It has. So let me make sure people understand this. In the past, when we had Jim Crow, the president likes to talk about Jim Crow 2.0, but when we had Jim Crow, my great uncle, my grandmother's brother, he saved up his money, and there was a time when many Americans paid cash for their car instead of installment plans. My great uncle wanted to buy a Cadillac, and in 1958, he was told that the local dealer would not sell to him because he was black. So everybody understands, oh wow, that's awful.

Well, here's the thing that they don't understand. My great uncle was committed, and he went to Chicago and purchased a Cadillac and then drove it back to Texas. I mention this because everyone, I think, understands if you're a dealership, you want to sell as many vehicles as you can. A policy or statute or regulation in the South that limited the ability of dealers to sell to blacks didn't just hurt blacks it also hurt those dealers yes that's right fact whether you ran a dry cleaners a seamstress shop a restaurant far less economic activity was able to occur because the government said and and this is what advocates during Jim Crow said,

it was good for America. It was good for whites. It was good for blacks. Does this sound familiar? Oh, yeah. Today, the progressives say it's good for America. It's good for whites. It's good for blacks.

We're going to start recruiting airline pilots on the basis of race, not on the basis of excellence. We're going to start recruiting officers in the military on the basis of race, not on the basis of excellence. And you pick the area, and what you see is just like in the South, where my great uncle grew up and where it is my heritage, there was less economic activity, i.e. more poverty, because people weren't free to interact with one another. This is the same phenomenon that we're seeing. Black Americans are beginning to recognize it. Did you say that your uncle was an entrepreneur and business for himself?

Was that how he got the money? He did what we would call today, he was a carpenter is what we might call it today, but he did high-end finishing work, trim, cabinet making, and the like. If you had a banister or something like that, that you really wanted to add some value to your home, that's the kind of work he did. And he was able to save up enough money to get the thing that he absolutely wanted, even though the rule or the law or the statute was you can't do this where he lived. You can't go to this restaurant. One of the stupidest ideas, you can't get in the same swimming pool.

Every economic decision where Jim Crow operated, it limited not just what was possible for black Americans, it limited what was possible for black Americans, it limited what was possible for white Americans. And if you're a seamstress, you're trying to get as many dresses in orders as you possibly can. The government arbitrarily placed limits on this. And so today, we've changed the particular group. We are preferring the new racial winner isn't white America like it was in Jim Crow, but it is supposedly black America. And it has the same harmful effects. That's right. Absolutely. Yeah. I think, uh, when, when I think about, um, uh, you know,

the Jim Crow era, uh, and segregation, uh, rigid segregation, it always makes me think in, in entrepreneurship, it makes me think of the stories about the Jitney cabs and how you had, uh, the cab company said, we're not going to go in the black areas. We're going to, you know, we've got this Jim Crow stuff and segregation. We don't want to go there. And so you had entrepreneurs in the black area said, well, we'll do an informal taxi thing. And so they set up these Jitney taxi services and the response by

the government in many of these areas was to come up with expensive taxi medallions. I started talking about this when we talked about the big competition between taxi drivers and then Uber and Lyft coming in. and they don't have to play by the same rules. And you've got a lot of people who are small business, individual business

people. A lot of them were immigrants who came in, they took their money, they bought a taxi medallion, and then it becomes obsolete because you've got these other people being given a monopoly. But they shut that down, but it shows the Jitney taxi thing shows a lot of different things. And one of those was just how vibrant the entrepreneurship was in the black community before they started just handing out money. That's one of the things that is just so amazing is what a paralyzing effect welfare can be and how they can use that to alter society. We see that happening all the time. Every program that Biden is putting out there, you talk about chains putting it on us.

Look at all these different programs where he's going to provide free money for this and free money for that. They're making everybody passive. We saw that in a big way as everybody was locked down and handed some cash in 2020, right? Everybody started getting passive. Well, we don't want to go back to work anymore, that type of thing. In America, this is a place where if you are willing to lean into work, if you are willing to take a little risk, if you're willing to show some unique creativity,

this is the place where all things are possible, except for this caveat. This administration does not reward risk. This administration doesn't want to reward hard work. This administration doesn't want to reward effort. By the way, I don't know about you, when I grew up, my grandmother, I stayed a lot with my grandmother, especially during the summers. And my brother and I were expected to get up when the rooster crowed. And that sometimes was around 5 a.m. I'm a morning person now because of that. But there are lots of people and they go,

oh my gosh, that's hard. That's difficult. So they didn't have a grandmother to help them. Well, we still need to get up early. My grandmother regularly said, it's work time. We had chores. We had activities. When people look at me, my friends and my colleagues, they say, well, that guy, he's a hard worker. I'm not a workaholic, but I'm a person that understands if you want to make something happen, you have to work. The incentives put in place by the Biden administration say exactly the opposite.

Don't strive. Don't make the effort. And when you don't strive and you don't make the effort what you do is lose ground and you lose experience and you'll lose opportunities and all of those things together encourage greater degrees of poverty that's right that's right uh always has been a part of the virtue, going back to our Christian heritage. Looking for reliable IT solutions for your business? At Innovate, we are the IT solutions people for businesses across Ireland. From network security to cloud productivity, we handle it all.

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turns like a door on its hinge, you know, one side or the other in his bed, doesn't get up, doesn't get to work. I was talking earlier in the program about Biden's fascination in terms of buying people who have college loans by forgiving their loans. But you put out just recently an op-ed piece for The Hill about the Supreme Court's decision about affirmative action.

Tell us your take on that. Sure. So I point out in this most recent op-ed last month that the Supreme Court consistently, even with a so-called liberal majority or a left majority, will not and has not ruled that it's okay for the government to single people out on the basis of race and give rewards or to give penalties. What we see in this most recent ruling on affirmative action, a 6-3 ruling, that affirmative action violates this constitutional principle that the government may not do this. Guess what? Reparations does too. Now, the court has, in cases involving prisons, involving professors,

involving a number of various industries, has reached out since the 1960s and said government may not pick racial winners and losers. Even the very first affirmative action case which took place in California, that particular ruling, no majority of justices agreed that just picking people because they're Black and giving them an advantage because of past injustice was constitutionally permissible. At no point has the court ever said this. The left tells Black Americans, and we had this conversation just moments ago about incentives, what we're going to do is we're going to take the resources that other people have and we're going to give it to you to make up for past mistreatment. I will assert, as I do in my book, living as a Black person in America is to win the best lottery that has ever existed. Black Americans have more freedom, more liberty, more opportunity

by being Americans than any other minority anywhere else on the planet. Reparations is not just, is not constitutional, and the left teases people with this. I wrote this to make sure that Americans realize if they ever get a popular majority to support reparations, it will be found unconstitutional. Yeah, and it's also going to be impractical to administer. The amounts that they're talking about would bankrupt any state. California doesn't have the kind of money to put this out there. But it is designed, I'm sure it is designed to fail, because what it's really designed for is to create racial animus, to create resentment, and it's designed to create chaos. It's the same type of thing

that they're doing in terms of not punishing property crime and stuff like that and in california and encouraging this this massive uh organized theft uh it is another form of organized theft with it but again you cannot you know it's going to be a completely unjust system because you know how do we determine to be a completely unjust system because, you know, how do we determine, depending on the color of somebody's skin, whether they had even had ancestors 160 years ago that were involved in that, or are they a recent immigrant if they're white, or if they're black? As you had Angela Davis find out that she had, both her grandfathers were white, and

they had an ancestry that went back into slavery. And so she was horrified to find that out. But, you know, you're going to find that type of thing. So what does she get from that? Does she get half of the reparations? You're not going to be able to do this from a practical standpoint. So it's designed to fail. It's just designed to make people angry with each other. For the longest time, you've had people like Bill Ayers and other Marxists who said, we

had class warfare in Europe to further communism. We can't do that in America because as you're talking about, Mr. Cooper, we had this idea, this understanding, hey, if I work hard, I can get ahead in America. So we didn't have that kind of class warfare that they could tap into. So they decided they would go with racial warfare. So they started with a white skin privilege and things like that. And so now this is just another wrinkle, I think, that's added to it. This weaponized chaos and weaponized race warfare is what they want to have, I think. So starting before the Civil War, the nation's oldest, in fact, the world's oldest political party

decided that it was to their political advantage to weaponize race. And therefore, the Democrats refused, even though our country was founded on the premise that all men are created equal. It was to their political advantage that they weaponized race. We had a war. More Americans lost their lives than any war that we would ever have. We resolved this. But within 40 years of the conclusion of the war, the left decided yet again, we must weaponize race for our own political ambitions. You know, the media and academia claims that the primary motivation behind, quote, racism is some Nazi-like idea of the racial superiority of one group or another. I will tell you it's far more simple, simplistic. It will advantage us if we do X. So let's do X. It has been principled parties. The one political

party started to end, the abolitionist party started to end slavery. The Republican Party, that throughout its history, has consistently upheld this idea. We don't favor one group or dis she wanted to sit because of her race. She was mistreated because she's a citizen of these United States, and this should never happen to any citizen. Today in the 21st century, one political party, the same one that has been tempted to operate to its political advantage on the basis of race pushes now a new racism that if adopted helps bolster their ability to operate this is a sickness that we need to call out i agree yeah you need to start calling the Democrat Party the demagogue party because this is sheer demagoguery. I remember years ago, Walter Williams would substitute for Rush, and I would hear them when I was driving, and it was a pet peeve of Walter Williams. As you talk about the Supreme Court decision

about affirmative action, it was a pet peeve of his. He said, look, I earned this, but because of affirmative action, people assume that I was given what I earned in academia. They assume that I was given that because of affirmative action, because of my skin color. And he goes, and that's a real affront to me. He wanted merit, and he wanted it to mean something. He didn't want set-asides. There's so many facets of this that are just absolutely wrong. Talk a little bit about your take on the 1619 Project. What do you think about that and critical race theory in general? So I have an entire chapter in the book on how Biden's adoption of the work woke agenda harms black Americans.

A couple of stats. California has set up a website where you type in your name and your information and potentially it will let you get a predicted outcome of what the reparations payments might be if you are michael jackson's children when he died was worth more than 900 million dollars not quite a billion but nearly 900 million dollars if're his children, you can go on this website and you come from the most elite of the elite background on planet Earth. Guess what? You get multiple millions. This progeny gets multiple millions. This is unjust. This is unfair. And as you point out, it divides us. The 1619 Project starts with a lie about America, that but for its reliance on slavery, we would not have America today. That's a lie. It's not true. It is not supported. And

the actual academic community says this isn't supported. Slavery pre-existed America. In fact, there's no recorded period of history where slavery did not exist. It is only with the existence of the Western American European society has there been any pushback on slavery. In fact, it is the West that has imposed no slavery on the whole rest of the world. It is remarkable that this slur about America has been allowed to occur, and it just further divides us. Yeah, you're absolutely right. As a matter of fact, I've pointed that out many times in terms of talking about William Wilberforce. He was opposing it. First, the trade he was able to shut down.

And just before he died, they paid for and freed slaves in Jamaica. And so that was his life's work. And he did it because he was a Christian. And that's one of the reasons why this is still being pushed back. You know, we still have human trafficking. We still have people being abducted in other countries. And so slavery has always been the human condition in one place or the other. The exception is when it was shut down. And it was shut down for those motivations because we saw people as created in the image of God and because we did not want to traffic in humanity. And so those were the things that, as you point out, are unique to what has happened.

It's been pointed out that even the term slave comes from Slav because they were the ones who were most frequently enslaved going back to the Roman Empire. So a lot of people have said, hey, I want to get my reparations from Italy because I was descended from Slavic people or something like that. I mean, it never ends when you go through this. And like I said, that it was never, uh, it was never intended to be resolved. It's impossible to be resolved. We don't have the money.

We don't have the genealogy to resolve this. And you've got a lot of the people who are pushing this, uh, like, uh, Kamala Harris, I call her Lala Harris. Cause she's kind of in La La Land. But even, you know, she does this, and her father brags about how they owned slaves in the Caribbean, you know, and then her mother is from India. So what do you do about that type of thing?

It truly is just designed to create friction, chaos, and unrest, isn't it? It does. Now, APNORC, APNORC, they do a survey of Americans. They typically, people pay attention to it when we talk about the presidential horse race. But they do a survey every couple, every six months or so about just America in general. And in the spring, when they did their survey, they asked specifically a subset of black Americans or a group of minorities questions.

And they were surprised to see that significant majorities of minority or black Americans did not agree with the overall idea that the left pushes. They did not agree that structural racism explains the outcome of what happens in the country today. In fact, 61 to 39, they think hard work and effort make more of a difference. Quick point, LGBTQ has been the rage for the left. In this survey, nearly 75% of blacks and other minorities think it should be a crime to allow your six, seven, or eight-year-old child to be mutilated and turn into a gender other than the one that they have. That is far higher than the results of America generally.

But it points out that black America and other minorities are not following Kamala Harris and the agenda that she puts forward and that of the other wokesters, they don't buy them. They don't find them persuasive. I agree. And of course, if they buy into this racial thing, they're going to find it's a bait and switch. And guess what? The next preferred group is going to be, as you just pointed out, LGBT. And that's not something that is supported by black people or by white people. The majority talk a little bit about the unemployment gap that has grown, as you point out in your book, has grown under Biden. So in my first book, How Trump is Making Black America Great Again,

I talked about the policies that Trump adopted that mirror those of the Coolidge years in the 1920s. Historians call the 20s the roaring 20s. What people don't realize is Black American men were more likely to be employed than any other group in America. I'll say that again. Black men during the 20s were more likely to be employed than any other Americans. Black men were the least likely to be in federal prison. Black children were more likely to be born in intact two-parent households than the population at large. All of that got destroyed by a change in the incentive structure where the government encourages you to marry it, a woman to marry the government, rather than her children. Oh, that's a great way to put it. I love that. Encourage the black woman to marry the government instead of a man. That really does hit to the key part of this welfare program

and really to the destruction of the family, I think. You nailed it right there. Well, government is not a good father. Government does not provide great housing, doesn't provide great health care, doesn't provide great education. Government is probably the worst, worse than an alcoholic father would be for children.

But during the Trump years, all of a sudden, the gap between whites and blacks narrowed, and we saw more progress, a greater increase in black unemployment during his presidency than we had seen in 75 years, even greater than the progress that happened in Black America during the Reagan years. Now let's turn to the Biden years. That gap is widening again. More Black Americans in the Trump years went on their first summer vacation. People forget that when Obama was president, the economy's management was so abysmal, we made up a new term. It was called staycation. I'm broke, but I've got time off, but I can't afford to go anywhere. We had a staycation. We set records for the first Black families that went on summer vacation. We set records for the number of Black Americans that for Thanksgiving flew or drove to see grandma.

Guess what? We're doing the opposite now. Fewer Black Americans in the workforce, higher unemployment among Black Americans, fewer Black Americans getting their first pickup truck. In fact, the repo man is setting a record. Joe Biden tells me the economy is wonderful, black Americans beg to differ. Just like many other Americans, they have to look out and see if their vehicle is still there because the repo man has come to get it. That's what happens in a shrinking, terribly managed economy. Not a new vehicle, but the vehicle you have. And Bloomberg says that in July of 2023, the average age of a vehicle on the highways today is older than we've seen in 20

years. In just two and a half years, we managed to achieve this. That's right. Yeah, and they're going to get older if we can keep them running because he's going to ban the ones that really work and try to put everything on the grid as he shuts down the grid. It is truly amazing. Take good care of your cars right now because you're not going to be able to find a new one to buy because they're going to stop manufacturing because of the bans put on them. You talk a little bit about Cornel West in some of your articles here. I've seen a lot of

mainstream left-wing press very concerned about a third-party run by Cornell West and how it would damage Biden. Why is that? Why is he getting traction with the black community? Joe Why is he getting traction with the black community? So, Joe Biden versus Barack Obama. Barack Obama got to get credit for being for blacks without having to say he was for blacks. The Biden administration has tried as hard as it can to hide from the American people that it is, quote, pro-Black. As you might imagine, Americans don blacks is going to be a huge benefit because this is something the government owes you. Black Americans are far less likely to go

to college than the population at large. So you're already not favoring blacks if you have a program like this. When you talk about alternatives to Joe Biden, what you hear are those voices in a case of a black professor by the name of Cornel West. I'm black and you can trust that I'll be looking after black Americans. The black vote, as I mentioned in my book, is the key constituency for the Democrats. But I also mentioned this, that this is why I mentioned the AP Nork report, Black Americans voted and selected Joe Biden among all those other dwarves running in 2020 because they perceived him to be the most moderate. Amazing to find out that he isn't the most moderate. In fact, not much different between him and Bernie Sanders. And still, there has been no improvement in the lives of Black America.

The we're not happy with you Biden vote is growing. And we like a candidate who will unabashedly represent us and not do so in an ashamed fashion. Last point I make in the book, the magic number is 85%. Democrats must get 85% of the vote in 2008 voted against John McCain and the Republicans. Every election since 2008, that number has shrunk. And in fact, in 2022, that number was 18% of Black Americans, excuse me, 14%, not 18%, 14% of Black Americans did not vote for the Democrats. And that single-handedly changed the House of Representatives makeup. If you don't get the 85% in 2024, you put a state like New Jersey in play. You put a state like Illinois in play. You sweep away Pennsylvania. They absolutely need a minimum of 85%. But every year since 2008, that margin has shrank. And they're worried. They're right to be worried.

What they don't understand is they absolutely must come back to the center. Unless they do that, their prospects electorally are highly restricted. Yes, it is interesting to see what will happen. And of course, Biden still thinks that that is his strength, the black community. It's one of the reasons why he moved heaven and earth to try to get South Carolina moved up for the Democrats in terms of primaries before Iowa and New Hampshire. It'll be interesting to see what happens there because he doesn't have any competition really within the Democrat party, except for RFK Jr. I don't know how, uh, how he's going to poll with black people, but I imagine that, you know, if, um, if Biden is able to win in South Carolina,

the primary, then he will, um will use that as a sign that he is supported by the black community. How is RFK Jr. doing in the polls with blacks? Are you aware of how he is viewed? So Mr. Kennedy has not been going in particular to urban constituencies. But interestingly, Cornel West is doing far better with the Black vote than Joe Biden or Mr. Kennedy. However, when Black Americans are asked, would you vote for Mr. Kennedy, they're not showing numbers that say they don't or refuse to do so. Right now, Mr. Trump is not popular with Black Americans, except for this.

Some 15 to 20% of Black Americans say they will consider him as a candidate. That number gets you past the 85%. And so you wouldn't need to get a majority of the black vote. You just need a critical number. Whether it's Mr. Kennedy, whether it's Mr. West, Mr. Biden finds himself in trouble. And this is why they're working to stop Cornel West from getting on the ballot. They recently ran a poll in Michigan. And in Michigan, with Cornel West on the ballot, Donald Trump handily, well, handily, by two to three points, wins the state of Michigan. Wow. If you carry Michigan, it is going to be really hard for Joe Biden to figure out how to win around that.

Now, Cornel West is a pretty radical Marxist professor. What is he going to run as a green candidate? What is his idea? Of course, that's going to be the real issue, and that is ballot access. They've made it very difficult for any independent or third-party candidates to get on outside of the Republicans or Democrats. From a practical standpoint, what is Cornel West talking about besides race? And is he running as an independent or as part of some third party? Well, I'm not really the expert on Mr. West.

I will just tell you the talk in Washington when I was just there last month was that he's likely to run as the green candidate. And all you have to do to get on the ballot in most states, not every, but in most states is to have been on the ballot in most states, not every, but in most states, is to have been on the ballot in prior elections. And the green candidates have been on the ballot in about 43 states over the last two elections. So you get a lot of those. And Michigan is one of those states where that green candidate already gets to hold a spot. He's a Marxist. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

He speaks unabashedly about how he's going to help blacks. There are going to be some blacks that want to support him. They're not the majority, but that's a critical constituency that Joe Biden needs to keep. And the other blacks who say, wait a second, I had this period where my nephew or my grandson moved out and got his own apartment. He's back. You know, my old boss Dick boss dick army says the american dream isn't to own your own home it's to get your kids out of it under joe under joe biden's policies so we have more intergenerational living arrangements than we've seen, again, in 20 years. These consequences are fairly significant. That's interesting.

It's interesting that you used to work for Dick Armey as well. I won a contest with FreedomWorks when Dick Armey was running it, and Karen and I got to go up to Chicago when we won that contest. That's a great quote from Dick Harby. It's really funny. But yeah, it is interesting to see how this is going to happen. As you point out, the ballot thing is very different from state to state. Some of them, it's going to be grandfathered in. Others, it's going to be pretty impossible. But he doesn't have to get on the ballot in all 50 states to have a big impact against Joe Biden. As you point out, just taking away, you know, the 15 magic 15% number of the black vote

would be crippling to Biden in a general election. So that's interesting to look at. You talk a bit about, sorry, go ahead. One thing, the sinister effect that our president has is very much like the sinister effect that Barack Obama had. No matter what you think, and I was not a fan of the takeover of our health care system. I was not a fan of the you did not build that mindset, the taxes, all of those things I was not a fan of. But I thought America at least can say, if you want to be president of the most powerful country, most influential country on planet Earth, and perhaps throughout recorded history, it doesn't matter

whether you're black, white, or brown. Our president could have been appealing to second graders, fifth graders, high schoolers, and saying to them, look at me. In America, if you work, if you strive, you can do it. You know what he did instead? He downgraded America. He said America isn't fair. America isn't trying to give you a shot. So even though we could see with our eyes what was possible with America, he told us that simply wasn't true. Mr. Biden's policies do the same thing.

My grandmother, thankfully, had not lived during the period of the presidencies of these two men. And she told me, way back in the 70s, you got to work harder. You got to work smarter. You got to work harder. You got to work smarter. You got to apply yourself. There is nothing that can hold you back. My grandmother and my mother, my grandparents had a house that I can see out my window right now. They had nine kids with two bedrooms, one bathroom. Out of those nine kids, four of them ended up with advanced graduate degrees, seven of them graduated from college, and all of them ended up being productive members of society. That's because my grandfather and my grandmother said,

America is a place where if you apply yourself, if you make the effort, you can achieve. Mr. Biden's policies do exactly the opposite. I remember a world where my grandmother, as a child, she knew that things weren't always fair. She knew that things weren't always just, but she believed her effort made all the difference in the world. I'm in high school. She takes her savings and she buys a house next to the house that I can see out my window that she paid cash for because that was her retirement home. Again, my great uncle paid cash for a car in the 1950s. Here it is, 1979, and my grandmother is paying cash for her new, as she called it, her brick home. There is a world of difference between being taught that if you make the effort, if you strive, that in America, you can achieve amazing things versus a world where presidents

tell us, America's not fair. America's unjust. Here, I'm going to give a little trinket here. I'm going to give a little payment there, and it'll all be fine. That is a world in which black kids are overwhelmingly graduating, not able to read the diplomas that they are handed on that day. That is a world where black kids who fought for the right to be able to attend any school, regardless of their race, are increasingly simply not equipped to succeed in school. That is a world where Black Americans are unemployed at a higher rate than the population at large, and that is a world where three-quarters of Black children are born outside of wedlock. We can change this, but we absolutely must walk away from policies that say we, as a society, need policies that pick racial winners and losers. I absolutely agree. And of course, you know, the same destruction that you've seen to the black community in terms of, you know, the welfare program and all the rest of these things, we're now seeing that being spread out to everybody.

As you pointed out at the very beginning, you know, your book is not just to, um, to black people. Uh, it is, uh, to everyone because they're going to use these same, they're using, are using right now with DEI. They're using these same types of things to give people a sense of entitlement, to take them away from reality, as well as from merit. So, you know, they're setting up this trap for everyone. And of course, the end game of this is universal basic income and smart cities, but they're doing this to all

different groups. And so that's why it's key for people to see the history of this and understand the implication of these policies, because they're doing this to everybody. They want all of us, y'all, to be slaves. They want you all to be slaves regardless. And they're going to use these same tactics that are tried and true as to what they've done to the black family because already we see illegitimacy going up across the board and all of the same problems that they inculcated with their government as the father of the family and so forth, all of these things that they put in, that's now being transferred to everyone across the board, regardless of demographics. Yeah. So I often remind people in presentations, Black Americans are the canary in the coal mine.

Yeah. Odious experiments, which have been destructive, are not just going to be kept targeted at Blacks. They're coming for you. The same disincentives that harm Blacks are going to be targeted to every group. Look at the affirmative action ruling. Asian Americans brought this to, they brought this litigation forward. My organization, Project 21, submitted an amicus brief urging the Supreme Court to do exactly what it ended up doing. I promise you that Asian Americans, which today embody the effort of striving, achieving through hard work and sacrifice, they're targeted. We must get you to disengage. White America is being targeted by the progressives to be the target, the group that's hated, to be the group that's resented. They will not stop, however, until every group

in America is equal, equally poor, equally uneducated, equally suffering. That's the goal, and it is not a, oh, wow, this is a conspiracy. It's not a conspiracy. The end result of autocratic control is misery for everyone. This isn't something unique. Everywhere it's been tried, this has occurred. I repeat what I said at the beginning of this interview. Programs that attempt to favor specifically one racial group ends up hurting us all.

How about a program or policy that simply says, work harder, be smarter, get the benefit of the risk you take? That would help every American. That's right. Yeah, you know, even going back to the time of Jefferson and other people, this is not a new philosophy of people appealing to one particular group of ethnic group or whatever and appealing to them and saying, you know, if we tear down the society, I'm going to put you at the top of society. At the time of Jefferson, they called these people levelers. Now they have called themselves socialists because or communists because, oh, it sounds scientific or educated, what, you know, but they're levelers. I think a leveler is a better description of what these people want to do to our society.

As you point out, they want everybody equal. They want everybody equal where you own nothing and you have nothing and you have no way to get out of this slavery. And I think a good example of this and how this has escalated, Mr. Cooper, is how you look at the direct attacks now on the family. You know, they made the attacks, as we can see, the end result, whether that was their you look at the direct attacks now on the family. You know, they made the attacks, as we can see, the end result, whether that was their design or not, we can argue about that.

But regardless of whether that was their design, the welfare state attacked the family. But now they are directly attacking the family through the DEI, through the LGBT, through the educational institutions. That is directly the target. And of course, we know that they want to be the only thing that anybody is attached to. The family must be the state and the state must replace the family. I think that is really where we're headed.

What do you think? Well, it's no surprise that BLM, one of the biggest grifter organizations in America, had on their website that the destruction of the children that we bring forth we feel a duty and natural an innate duty to protect them to prevent them from being harmed to feed them hold them we do that better than the department of education we do that better than HHS. In fact, look at, go to Detroit, go to Philadelphia, go to Chicago, and see where the government... I agree. Did we lose him? What you lost is devastation. It cut out for a moment there.

I thought we'd lost you. But before we end the interview here, I just want to read a comment from a listener on Rumble. And thank you for the tip, Katiana. She says, reparations would also apply to the deaf community who were oppressed by Alexander Graham Bell, who lobbied for legislation to ban sign language and force them to read lips and speak.

I mean, we've had situations, again, when you look at propagating injustice, it never ends. Everybody's got a grievance about something, but this is really weaponized social engineering without a doubt, and it's a new level that they have taken this to. And before you go, let's talk a little bit. We've got only about three minutes. Tell us a little bit about Project 21. You were the chairman of that and i didn't mention that at the very beginning of the

interview you also taught constitutional law at george mason university and you were a senior counselor to uh house majority leader dick army as you pointed out there but tell us a little bit about project 21. the project 21 is a group of uh as a membership group made up of Black Americans who come from that vibrant portion of Black America that has existed since the slavery period. Do we need more government or do we need more self-started activity and community? That used to be the majority of Black America. It is still now a good 35 to 45 percent of Black America. We promote strong families. We promote hard work. We believe that we need more self-government, and that includes the freedom of individuals to make choices about themselves.

If you think that the world is bigoted and if you think that the world is racist, there used to be a very, very vibrant argument that said, OK, then you should be the best mechanic that you could possibly be, because that will overcome people's bigotry and hostility toward you. The left says, don't try, don't even make the effort. The other point that we have is that we make sure that we are in the media so that this mindset that actually is very vibrant within Black America gets a chance to speak out. And so most of our members are asked to regularly show up at community settings and share the kinds of views. We don't give them talking points to share the kinds of views that have always existed within black America, asking people to remember you got set free and freedom comes with it. Many, many amazing opportunities. Let's not ever forget that. Oh yeah. That's very important. As a matter of fact, you don't want to look at this when we were talking about the

focus on the black community by people like Bill Ayers, a white elitist, if ever there was somebody that they, the Marxists have focused on the black community because they feel like they're going to be their useful tools to overcome the society. And just as we saw them, you know, they would never push in Europe, oh, start your own business and try to have upward economic mobility. They put out that same message of despair to the black community today. And so it's so good to hear you putting out exactly the

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