The David Knight Show - INTERVIEW Resisting AI & Google Individually

Episode Date: May 22, 2024

Andrew Riddaugh, LiberationTek.comDangers of AI, Google Gemini, Microsoft CoPilot, Chat4oSince the federal Uniparty is fully on board with surveillance, now what?How we fight tech with tech - getting around the censorship dragnetFind out more about the show and where you can watch it at TheDavidKnightShow.comIf you would like to support the show and our family please consider subscribing monthly here: SubscribeStar https://www.subscribestar.com/the-david-knight-showOr you can send a donation throughMail: David Knight POB 994 Kodak, TN 37764Zelle: @[e-mail] App at: $davidknightshowBTC to: bc1qkuec29hkuye4xse9unh7nptvu3y9qmv24vanh7Money is only what YOU hold: Go to DavidKnight.gold for great deals on physical gold/silverFor 10% off Gerald Celente's prescient Trends Journal, go to TrendsJournal.com and enter the code KNIGHTBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-david-knight-show--2653468/support.

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And he's involved in cybersecurity. And he has contacted me. He wanted to talk about artificial intelligence and the threats to us. And they are tremendous threats to us. Thank you for joining us, Andrew. Well, thank you so much for having me. Really looking forward to the conversation.

I am too. And I've had people on many times to talk about artificial intelligence. I had a guy who was with a military industrial complex, and they were talking about the different modeling things that they were doing. And it was very, very interesting. He even had concerns about it, even though he felt that it was necessary in this arms race against China to have all this stuff. He says, well, I don't know how we actually, once we turn over control, and it's inevitable we're going to turn control over in a war scenario, how do we stop it?

How do we get control back? He says, well, I don't know yet. You know, they're talking about this stuff. And the question is, how do we get control back from these things? Let me, as we start here, let me get your reaction to what I played earlier today. I'm sure that you've maybe seen the announcement about Copilot from Microsoft, that they're going to put artificial intelligence on your laptop. It's going to constantly be taking screenshots of what you're doing and making assessments about

what you want, you know, of course, to be your friend and your servant, and it will never violate your privacy. What do you think about that? Do you think anybody wants this? Do you think anybody believes those promises? Well, I think the scary fact of the matter is it's already happening. Microsoft is just, you know, openly acknowledging the fact that they're doing this, right? We see this with TikTok. We see this with Google. We see this with all of these other companies that have integrated the AI and other, you know, data collection methods, you know, TikTok, a little known fact, they access every single

app on your device. And so, you know, they're also looking at your banking apps, your financial apps, your health apps and all these other things. But I think it is concerning, you know, whether they're publicly acknowledging it like Microsoft or, you know, covertly doing it, I think that it is very concerning because with that sheer amount of data, you know, the question lies, what will they be able to do with that, right? It's not just to make suggestions, you know, will they be able to then start subliminally targeting us with, you know, the obvious things like products and services, but, you know, will they be able to also start manipulating our behaviors, our actions throughout the day, because they know how in a subconscious

level we react to certain triggers and environments, you know, okay. They, they want everyone to perform action a, you know, they know if they hit us with the right messaging or visuals or audio or audible uh you know methods you know we'll react yeah they call it nudging you know they know how to give you subtle pushes in different ways they call it a nudge and you know the whole artificial intelligence thing is based on scraping data from all over the internet so we know they're doing that we know that everything just put out there on social media is available to any government agency to scrape or any company can scrape it there so that part of it is not new i guess when i looked at the the microsoft copilot i thought oh great now i get my own personal little stasi spy uh to keep a diary about everything personally.

Before there was a large engagement from like the human element of a platform that would have to say, okay, well, this either violates terms of service or, hey, we want to push this narrative and things like that. But we're essentially now handing all of the data and all of the control over to this AI. And, you know, as you were saying just before the break, you know, it isn't the Terminator AI that we all think of, but it is possible. You think ChatGPT launched less than a year ago and the developments that we've seen in the space since then are monumental. You know, what will this environment look like in 12, 24, 36 months? I think that's where we need to proactively start thinking and start planning because, yeah,

we might not be able to put the genie back in the bottle once it's activated, especially if you give it a gun. Yeah, which they're doing. They're talking into fly planes and drop bombs if you give it a gun. Yeah, which they're doing. They're talking to fly planes and drop bombs and here's a gun. You know, and speaking of that, there was an excellent novel that was written about 12 or 13 years ago by Daniel Suarez called Kill Decision. And it was about using AI and drones and how disruptive and revolutionary that was going to be to the military industrial complex.

And my son just went back who told me about that years ago we listened to it years ago and he went back and listened to it again he said you know um and that novel what kicks it off is the ai's ability to look at a picture and to make uh assessments about what is in that picture, just as we saw demonstrated last week in the OpenAI, the chat 4.0, where you got, you know, everybody's focusing on the voice of Scarlett Johansson, but it really is concerning, even though we know that it is a demo and there may be some rigged aspects of it. It truly was pretty amazing what that was able to do.

And as you point out, there have been massive leaps and what is the perceived capability of these systems yeah you know and we've already seen that technology really get involved in this election already yeah you know in new hampshire there was the joe biden deep fake uh where they were able to, you know, one of the Democratic challengers was able to persuade voters not to go out and vote or to alter their vote because they got a phone call from Joe Biden. Right. And that's where it becomes so concerning because there is very there's next to no oversight in this space, aside from, you know, these technology companies saying, oh, well, we'll do better. But there's really no oversight in steps put in place ahead of the election to protect us against these types of threats. And, you know, it's one of those things,

as we've seen in 2022 and 2020, you know, trying to fix something after the fact, the courts, the public opinions, you know, they're not going to deal with that. So, you know, there's a chance that we could see a deep fake, give out false information, have a impact in the election, and everyone will just kind of throw their hands up and say, well, we'll try not to let this happen again. But the outcome of the election is still decided. And I think it's important. You know, we've seen lies, manipulation, propaganda. It's always been there as part of an election.

I think what is different about this, and I've mentioned this from the very beginning with artificial intelligence, even when we had the chat bots that were hallucinating with stuff uh immediately even though they were coming up with these wild scenarios people started backfilling and saying well maybe this thing is really aware you know and um anthropomorphizing it and and giving it credibility instead of looking at this and saying this is a bunch of crap you know because i started my first thing when i interacted it was with it i started talking to it about climate change or about the Pfizer shot or something like that. You know, of course, it kind of just shut me down. And so I was like, OK, I get this. It's just another control mechanism.

But most people, I think the real danger is the confidence that people put in this. You know, I was trained as an engineer. We were always told from the very beginning, garbage in, garbage out. Don't trust this just because you've got a computer printout. Don't trust it just because it's a model from somebody. Because you can make the computer say anything that you want. It's not necessarily right. And people shut down that critical thought. And I think that's one of the most deceptive and dangerous things about artificial intelligence. I think that's why it's important to talk about it. But let me ask you, you mentioned earlier about putting the genie back in the bottle.

What can we do and what can we do proactively? Because this stuff is rapidly evolving and people are looking at it in terms of we typically react after the fact instead of saying, well, I know where this is going. So let's put in some safeguards about this. Is there anything that we can or should be doing in your opinion? So I think that we, from a market perspective, can really dictate the direction that AI goes. You know, if products are being pushed, you know, without your consent, without the ability to opt out, then my recommendation is vote with your dollars and don't support those platforms, right? AI, the AI that we see today is just a tool and so it is as good or as bad as those wielding it and so at the end of the day you know if google is

saying hey you're going to you know accept gemini gemini is everywhere same with co-pilot uh then use a different browser right one that is not forcing an AI on you. And if we see, you know, hundreds of millions of Americans start to change their behaviors, well, then those companies will start to reassess the implementation and how they're looking at AI, not as something that necessarily has to be pushed on every single person but something that individuals have the ability to opt into and to utilize right you know it's one thing if you log in to chat gbt and type in prompts and get responses that is a a opt-in action but to say you know we're going to put an ai into the search engine and it's going to track everything that you

do, filter everything that you see, present the narrative in the stories that we want you to see, then we can't support that, right? You know, I think oftentimes people think about making an impact in this nation as something they only do every two years in an election, but we have the ability to vote with our wallets and vote with our feet every single day. And if we actually get intentional about that, you know, this is still very much a capitalistic society. And those companies will come to a stark reality very, very quickly. I agree. I really endorse that, what you just said. And we need to give them the Bud Light treatment you know and boycott them and and you know so often we look at things and say well you know i know they're going to be using this

to mine data i know they're going to use it for anticipatory intelligence and geospatial intelligence and all these other things as part of the surveillance state uh can we get the politicians to put in some legislation is going to to block all that? That isn't going to happen, most likely. They haven't even addressed Section 230 in reevaluating the broad protections against lawsuit with many of these tech companies. Plus, you look at it, Google, AWS, and some of the other big players, those are the biggest donors in elections almost year after year. So I think, you know, what I've come to the realization, the Silicon Valley companies are going to do everything that they can to keep the Democrats in power. That's because they know that there's at least a chance, especially under Trump, that Republicans will take up this issue and pass legislation to you know kind of balance

out the playing field and so they're going to fight like hell to kind of keep their open playground for as long as possible um you know i think they play that i think they play that game on both sides though i mean we just saw what speaker john's i call him machiavellian mike what he just did about pfizer you know if we think that we're going to stop anything certainly at the federal level people just need to look at um you know that uh april 20th where that 420 what was he smoking where he uh i think he was smoking rolled up 100s that he got from silicon valley and the intelligence community and the military industrial complex for their wars for the fisa expansion because he extended it and he expanded it. And so these people are not open to shutting this down.

I mean, he got $20 million in his first quarter as first full quarter as speaker. And so you're right. They're giving them money. And I think the most effective thing that we can do, I think what is important for grassroots change is to uh expose our artificial intelligence for what it is it's artificial it's fake as i've been talking about this and it's bias it's bias by the creators yeah yeah yeah and we've seen you know the the kind of toxic uh bias in in you know culture via the uh twitter files right you know if it is that

bad at twitter at the time who's to say it's not as bad or worse at google or aws and microsoft and so you know you have to look at that and understand that bias and i think that you know that's why we see the uh onslaught of attacks from every single direction against Donald Trump, because at the end of the day, you know, they realize Donald Trump is one of those few politicians that is harder to manipulate. Right. You know, you do have the career politicians like Johnson, like McCarthy, you know, where they're pretty predictable. But then, you know, you throw some of these other elected officials in and, you know, there's more of a chance, not saying they will 100 percent, but there's a higher chance that they will take up the issues with Section 230. And that's what we have to hope for and to also push on our elected officials to do. Yeah, I think that is I would agree with you that Trump is unpredictable. I don't necessarily

expect him to keep any of his problems you got better men in there too and you know we are seeing an age of uh you know elected some elected uh not necessarily following the the standard playbook and i was actually surprised your entertainment i agree you know i was absolutely surprised you know the turks and caicos where they've now arrested five Americans because they found a bullet in their suitcase, not a gun, but a bullet, and they're going to give them a mandatory minimum of 12 years. They had a congressional delegation go down, and Fetterman was one of them. I thought, what is going on?

I mean, did he get his mind back? What is happening with this guy? He seems to have completely changed for the better in many different ways. I don't know. I haven't seen everything that he's done. I'm not endorsing Fetterman. But I was surprised. He did the right thing. And look, I want to give people credit whenever they do the right thing, wherever they are.

But I agree with you. I think the key thing is that we have to get people to understand some basic values. They have to be as opposed to the surveillance state. It has as much as they are to um you know uh grooming of kids with this transgender thing you know if we want to get them to reject this stuff like they rejected uh bud light uh we have to have them as much in favor of privacy and free speech as they are in favor of parental rights and things like that. So there's, there's the problem is the reason that people are not pushing back against it.

A, they don't understand the danger of it. B, they don't understand how deceptive it is. And C, they don't really embrace the values of privacy. They're not opposed to the surveillance state as much as they need to be. They don't understand the dangers of that.

I think that's one of the key things. And I agree with you. I think we're not going to be able to get the federal government to do anything but we can have we have a tremendous amount of power if we can muster public opinion to support the good things and to oppose the bad things and just to be revulsed by this as much as we are by dylan mulvaney we should be, I think that it's it's a very interesting situation. That's exactly why we founded Liberation to to protect people's data, to to restore their right to privacy, to not no longer collect, monitor and monetize

their information and online habits. But, you at this, and I think that there is a real wave because we have to think about it in a larger scope. The left has been activated and mobilized, pushing these ideologies for over 20 plus years with Soros, Arabella, and all of these other institutions. Conserv know, conservatives, we've actually been re-engaged for only about three and a half, four years at this point. And so, you know, we are over a decade behind, but can quickly make up the ground. And, you know, for the average everyday American, you know, most of these issues don't impact us in our homes, right? But we do see that it is, in my opinion, kind of causing a degrading societal impact and moving us away from the

founding principles of this nation. And so it might not impact you every single day, but that does not mean you should sit on the sidelines. Like, let's be honest. You look at the kids at Columbia and NYU, they probably couldn't even put out, point out Gaza on a map if they tried, but they have this tendency of mobilization that they are, are being fed, I think garbage information, but that is still causing them to be mobilized and getting out and, and, you know, exercising their First Amendment rights to a degree and trying to impact political change. And so on the Christian and conservative side, the libertarian side, we have to realize that

we can't sit idly by and think that Donald Trump is going to save us or the Republican Party is going to save us. No, it's going to take every single one of us to be activated 15 minutes a day, whether it's through talking to your neighbors or, you know, spending your dollars with aligned companies. I agree. And that's how we actually save this nation. Yeah, it's a small thing. It's going to be from the bottom up you know it's not going to be from the top down and it's going to be uh being an awareness that the little things that you do as you point out talking to your neighbor uh getting them disavowed from this almost a superstitious awe of what artificial intelligence is i've got an email question that was sent to us it says um do you think um uh sent to us. It says, do you think that,

this is from John, he said, do you think the AI is as good as it seems? And I've talked about that a little bit. You know, what is your assessment of this as somebody who's in cybersecurity? Tell us, you know, exactly what, I read an article yesterday about a guy who said, I tried to explain this to people, and he said, the way I look at it, he said, it's like a matrix. He said, it doesn't even understand a question. You know, it doesn't know that it's getting a question. It just looks at those words, and it kind of processes that in a language model. And then it compares that to other matrices and tries to come up with the best fit.

And that's how it does it from his explanation uh and and so it's a you know it's it's kind of a different way of programming than most of us are thinking about like some kind of procedural if then statement it's it's comparing these different um uh massive amounts of data that it's gotten it's comparing that to what you're asking it to come up with a question but it's not really thinking it's not really understanding it's just kind of you know comparing this stuff and a very very fast rate is that in your understanding is that correct or am i am i wrong is there a better way to look at this how would you describe that yeah i think that's a pretty fair uh way to describe it you know it's basically taking a massive amount of data

and looking for similar answers that have been rated, you know, highly by previous users. And so, you know, that's how it's taking information from past experiences and past responses and then saying, okay, well, based on this, it's a 99% match previous question, that person liked it. So I'm going to give that to you. That's a very rudimentary way of thinking it. The scale is massive, but you also have to remember, AI is really in its infancy still. And you think about everything that it can do today.

In some ways, I guess what your listener your listener was asking i would ask them in what regards right you know if it's uh google gemini's ability to generate an image off of a prompt i would say it's an f because i'm not aware of a black pope uh ever being uh you know in charge of the church or um you know an african-american female being in charge uh being a founding father yeah so you know i give them an f but you know for for ai's ability to maybe identify uh underlying health risks and and uh individuals or being able to help synthesize a large amount of data into a simple synopsis, I think that it is a great tool. Yeah.

Right. And I think that you have to look at it not just as this one giant kind of instance, but, you know, there are different use cases. And I think ultimately the folks that are behind it and the ways that it's being implemented, because it is just a tool, really help answer that question. I agree. Yeah, when you talk about something like, you know, the racial misappropriation, I guess we call it, of Gemini, that was a wonderful thing for people to see. Because when you're talking about something that is political, something where they can put in a bias, they put it in.

And people need to be able to see that. And just one of those pictures is worth a thousand words, but they did thousands of pictures of that kind of nonsense. And I think people, that's, I think, one of the most effective ways to show how they can build bias into this. Now, when you're talking about something like building a circuit or doing some programming or something like that, they're not trying to build a bias into it yet and and so for those types of things it could be very very useful and if they didn't put that hand-picked bias into some of this other stuff it might be a lot more useful for those

other things but people it's a warning to people that um be careful use this at your at your own risk because especially when it comes into anything that is political they are going to be inserting those biases they pay people a lot of money to insert those biases and and and to you know i guess wait a different set of answers a different answer matrix or something uh to push that yeah and i'll get to that uh in a second, but I think I just thought of one great example and how we use AI to benefit the individual. But if they elect to take advantage of it, we have a product called Liberation Campaign, and it's an alternative to MailChimp and Constant Contact for those that don't want to fight their email marketing platform to land in the inbox. And so we have two different tools, one that looks at a subject line and one that looks at the actual content of your email. And it will say, hey, we know what Gmail is flagging, what their AI is flagging as spam

and putting down into the undelivered space or Yahoo and all those kinds of things. And it says, Hey, here's your score, right? Here's how you can improve it to get around Google and Yahoo's and Microsoft's spam filters. And so that I think is a great example. And you know, it's one of those things it's unbiased. It's here's the data. You can use it. You cannot use it. I've heard from so many people though, that are like, I'm hearing back from folks that I haven't heard from so many people though that are like i'm hearing back from folks that i haven't heard from in over a decade um or in you know a year five years and so it's amazing that it's it's reaching their inbox and they're getting you know 40 50 60 open rates and all that and they're like i had no idea that a tool like this existed but you know going back to what you were just saying

it's kind of let me just say it's kind of like electronic measures and then counter measures and then counter counter measures. They're going to be a constant back and forth to try to stay one step ahead of their censoring algorithms. But that's really good. I like the fact that you're doing that because we know that they try to shut down our reach in so many different places and in so many different ways. Yeah, We saw it with the RNC in 2022 selection where their deliverability rates fell to about 30%. That means 70% of the folks that have signed up to receive their emails aren't getting any sort of information from them. I was speaking with another Christian group and they were just put on notice and paused. They were sending 10 million emails a

month, almost daily. And they were put on notice. They weren't given a reason. They were just kind of told terms and conditions. And, you know, it went into, you know, a long review process. And, you know, you have to look at that and really start to say, OK, well, if these technology companies have a bias and they're using AI, which is able to detect, flag and suspend without any sort of human intervention. You know, how can that that impact our upcoming election? And, you know, you look at Gemini being implemented into the entire Google ecosystem. So your email, your Microsoft files, or excuse me, your Google files, your YouTube, all these different things. Gemini is now integrated as of last week into everything. And you start to think about it, there's over 2 billion people that visit that homepage every single day. If they start saying, well, if you're conservative, because we have access to

your voting and political registrations, you know, we're going to make it really hard for you to find your voting precinct. But if you're a Democrat, every time you log on to our homepage, we're going to say you haven't voted, go vote, go vote, go vote, find your location. It's right here. Why aren't you doing this? Hey, pop up reminder. You're driving by your polling location. You need to go and do this right now. And, you know, they can do that. We just had a guy who got a jail sentence because he did it as a joke. Oh, if you're a Democrat, make sure that you vote on Wednesday or whatever.

And there was a black woman, I guess. No problem. Because of Gemini, there's a black woman who did the same joke in the opposite direction. If you're a Republican, don't forget to vote on wednesday or whatever they sent him to jail they gave her a pass you know you mentioned uh mail chip and and uh we started our experience with mail chip with this show was i i know i'm on the list um we we started um uh to put our uh we got an account we set the thing up we started loading in our contact list, and they shut us down even before we were able to do our first email. They shut us down.

It's absolutely amazing the amount of censorship that is out there, the amount of profiling and information that is out there already. But, yeah, we can't even use it to get started. Yeah. And then Google and Yahoo implemented new protocols as of February that are going to make it just easier and easier for their AIs to flag people and shut them down. You know, the idea that a New York Post article on Hunter Biden could get out in this upcoming election, you know, no one's going to even see it. It won't even reach the internet or, you know, the conservative viewers, you know, they're going to shut it down with the AI because they have a near a hundred percent success rate if they decide to do something like that. And so you think about it back to the 2020 election, it was something like 14% of surveyed Democrats said that if they would have known about that story and about the allegations, they would have never voted for Joe Biden. And so you look at it right there, that one action, that one suppression

of valid information, you know, even though they labeled it misinformation, you know, that outcome was decided by Google and Twitter and those folks, because those Democrats would not have voted. Joe Biden would not have won. And we would, I think, be in a very different position, you know, today.

Yeah. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Your, your company is going to really be vital, I think, in terms of getting around this,

because, you know, we've had this competition and in the free market, uh, what people say on social media was just too damaging for their professional journalists and everything. So why they began the massive censorship, the shadow banning,

the canceling and, and, and all the rest of the stuff that we saw on social media. And, you know, when you think about social media, like I, I agree there,

there shouldn't be blatant misinformation, right? Saying go vote on Wednesday when, you know, your, your election day is on Tuesday. That that's not information we need out on the internet. Granted, you know, if someone does that, everyone should be treated equally.

There should be a fair level of judgment on that. But at the same time, you know, a lot of these technology companies are suppressing valid alternative information. You know, the other side of the coin kind of concept where, you know, you saw during COVID, you know, there were Harvard and Stanford rated doctors that were saying, or that were getting completely censored, you know, and they were putting out peer reviewed data. And they were just like, Nope, that that's misinformation. No, that's just an alternative view and alternative opinion. And that's just an alternative view and an alternative opinion. And that's the whole concept that our founding fathers laid out when they wrote the First Amendment.

The ability for each and every one of us to hear information and make our own informed decisions. They're removing that ability for us to think critically, I believe. Yeah, they don't want any debate. And they haven't wanted any debate on climate stuff. And we saw the same thing happen again with COVID. So when we look at this, the interesting thing about all this is the fact that they have a monopoly. And that they've been granted this de facto monopoly. But in many ways, it's explicit, isn't it?

And now, as I mentioned earlier, we've got Sam Altman and a lot of these companies, because they do so much data scraping, they use these massive GPUs. That's why this pattern matching has got to be super fast. Tremendous power requirements. You've now got these big data companies that are going out to, they're creating their own power plants, their own nuclear power plants, because they understand that our government is trying to shut down power generation. But they're going to be essentially allowed to have, I think, a monopoly on power,

electrical power, not just political power, and not just a monopoly on speaking. They're actually going to have a monopoly, now, I think, on electrical power not just political power and not just a monopoly on speaking they're actually going to have a monopoly now i think on electrical power generation if they continue to shut down all of our different power stations uh what yeah and it's actually it's actually a global issue you know in 2021 we saw it uh singapore shut down ireland shut down uh 2022 i believe south africa shut down you know there are parts of the United States where they're just saying, you can't build any more data centers because they're unable, the local municipalities, the power companies, they're not able to build power plants fast enough. Right now, they only account for about 50, or excuse me, like three to 5% of power consumption here in the United States. But the way

that they're starting to build these facilities with AI in mind and just larger and larger and more ever consuming kind of concepts, you know, yeah, we're running out of power availability in the grid for new data centers. And so, yeah, the, you know microsoft is talking about building many miniature nuclear reactors next to their data centers yeah you know we have some really interesting things that uh you know we'll have to come back on and share when it's officially public but we're kind of going the opposite way we're saying we can actually do this more efficiently build and operate data centers and and it's by just looking at it through a slightly different lens and instead of

us having to build giant nuclear reactors we can actually operate unintentionally a more green operation because we just strip out all the the wasteful components of a data center yeah yeah it's this brute force aspect of it and of course one of the ways they want to sell cbdc is to say well we're going to use less power than the crypto stuff venezuela is concerned because with their small grid that they've got there uh even though they jumped on the cryptocurrency thing in 2020 they just put out a thing saying what you're not we're banning uh crypto mining because it uses too much power so some of these things are viewed by the regime as bad because it's a competition to their cbdc do not

use the power for cryptocurrency but yes if you want to use it to spy on people if if the nsa wants to keep a dossier on everybody and store everything that everybody's had and do it in the desert that's fine they can use as much power and water as they want and if these crypto companies want to do it we'll allow them to build whatever kind of power supply plant they want and you know we'll give them those kinds of powers and we won't second guess their power generation plan I mean can you imagine the kind of permitting that anybody else would have to go through but I think they're going to sweep all that stuff away for Sam Altman and and their friends and this crony capitalist society, I think.

Yeah. And, you know, it's just we see the space doubling almost every two and a half years, which blows past, you know, traditional economic models, which say it should double every five years. And so, you know, we are in this kind of interesting paradox. But at the same time, you know, there has to be a demand for all that compute and all of that information that is being generated by these data centers. And so it's simply a matter of fact, you know, if you don't like what's going on, stop giving them your money. It's pretty's pretty simple. They can't build massive data centers if the population is starting to come back and saying, well, we don't want your AI in every single aspect of our lives.

So we're going to go and do business elsewhere. Well, then the demand drops off and then the financing drops off and then they stop building these data centers. You saw Amazon actually halt many of their projects over the course of the last two years because they saw that decrease in demand. And I think it's encouraging for us to look at the amount of impact that we can have when you look at the agenda to replace all internal combustion engines and to ban them. Right. And we're going to make everybody drive an ev even though they don't have enough power to drive everything right we i've always said that to people it's like fine i i don't care what you drive the government cares what you drive and even if you get an ev they're going to cut down the power grid so you won't be able to drive it and they'll have you use it as a battery to back them up that type of thing but

as we look at that people are saying well you know i i've got issues with the range i've got issues with the expense i can't really afford the expense of this people were just not buying them for whatever reason yeah and so the marketplace has really in this one area that they have pushed so hard that they have subsidized trillions of dollars and they have wanted since since I was in high school, and they had the first Earth Day, they want to get rid of the private car. And they've pushed this agenda so much,

and yet people have said, no, we're not going to go any further. And the companies that were on board with all that, because they just want to make money, they want to have the favor of the government, and so they were all on board with that. They were realizing that, hey, first of all, they're losing money in an unbelievable amounts and it will be the end of the road for ford and

the rest of these mercedes and the rest of these car companies if they decide that they really want to compete on this ev with china because china has been given all dealt all the cards in terms of cheap energy in terms of minerals that they have yeah but you also still have you know buildings falling over sitting vacant in china just because china is doing it does not mean it's done well or done with a purpose right at the end of the day what you're describing is capitalism 101 you know i i do still believe, though, you know, diversification of your power generation and everything like that. You know, if you want to slap a little turbine on your house, great. If you want to put a solar panel on top of your house, great.

You know, I think that where it's I think it needs to be made available for the consumer to decide and free will. I don't think, you know, some of the aspects of green uh agenda are necessarily a bad thing uh but i think where it's being when it's mandated that's where it completely steps over the line that's right that's when it it really infringes not only on our liberties but the the concept of capitalism as a whole you know diversification is never a bad thing. Having, you know, electric cars for those that it suits them. Right. You know, that is their decision. If, you know, they just drive five miles up the road every single day and they're just putting it around.

Great. And EV is a great option for them. Right. You know, it makes more oil available for my vehicle. Right. And more gasoline. So, you know, I think that divers available for my vehicle, right? And more gasoline. So, you know, I think that diversification is not a bad thing. I don't think that, you know, on many of these issues, there has to be a hard left or a hard right.

You know, I think that, you know, the capitalistic model will always reign true, whether it's in technology or automobiles and everything else. And so that's what we're really trying to do at Liberation is create that diversification for folks that want to get off of GoDaddy, that want to get off of Google Cloud, that want to get off of Gmail and Constant Contact and MailChimp. We've built a lot of those everyday tools so that you can make your own decision. If you want the AI spying on your life and making every suggestion for you, great. But if not, you can come over to us. That's right. I agree.

Yeah, technology is a tool. It can be used good or bad. If people have got a choice and if it's not centrally planned and centrally controlled, that's where the danger comes in. As you're pointing out you know the china's poor construction the buildings falling over that's part of the the crony capitalism the central planning and that type of and and it's what we see being pushed towards us in many aspects of our life uh they don't want to have that diversification it's like well if you

want to have a a gas range no you can't have that. You're going to have only what I say. So we've got our government is out there now trying to design things and push an agenda. I agree. If you've got solar panels to get off of the grid, hey, that's super. It's going to be more expensive to do that. But, of course, certain things like privacy and independence are going to come at a cost and people can make that decision and um and we should have access to a lot of different types of technology it's the the governments that want to dictate to us you will have one solution and that's the only thing

that you'll have you know that's what the telltale uh sign uh being a former Politico, being a former federal employee serving at the White House for four years, you know, you see all the time these folks come in and set unrealistic timelines. And so I think that's really what it is, right? You know, if you were Gavin Newsom and you're saying we're going to do 100% in the state of california then you need to be realistic okay by uh 2400 well that's that's our goal right like setting it out long enough so that you have time to build the infrastructure and everything like that saying 2030 they can't even finish an interstate in that amount of time let alone an overhaul of their entire electrical grid uh so you know it's the initiative is doomed uh before it even gets launched that's

the good news um the the bad news is there's going to be an awful lot of wealth transferred to his pals which might be the actual uh uh goal and all that stuff anyway. So what can the average American do to protect themselves against this kind of surveillance? You've got some tools that you have there at Liberation. We've got a lot of great tools. We've got an option if you want to move your website, if you want to get an email with us, if you want to get off of Microsoft Teams or Google Workplace,

store your video files, replace Zoom. We've got a lot of great tools there. We've got an alternative to MailChimp and Constant Contact, to GoDaddy and Wix, Website Builder. We've really focused on what is the everyday man need. And we're zero knowledge, so we do not mind monitor or monetize anyone's information. But it's not just about what we're zero knowledge, so we do not mind monitor or monetize anyone's information. But it's not just about what we're doing at Liberations. You know, go look at Freedom Chamber of Commerce. Go look at Public Square.

Go look at Red Balloon. You know, there are all these different ways that you can pick an alternative in your day-to-day life. And that's just good market competition you know almost being four years in uh since this movement really started there are a lot of products and services out there now that are ideologically aligned uh with you know the more conservative values and you know they're better uh or they're i would oftentimes say uh equal or sometimes even better than what we see coming out of Silicon Valley. And so if this matters to you, instead of sitting there being upset about the way that this nation is going and Google spying on you and all of that, take five minutes and sign up for an alternative, right?

Start taking action and control of your life start start taking the reins uh back and and don't let technology companies and the government make those decisions for you but that's great if you're happy with it keep doing what you're doing that is your own prerogative and decision if you like being controlled and manipulated that's fine but we want to stand here as an alternative that will protect your ideology and your values. Yeah, it's usually it's coming from their angle. It's not that we're dissatisfied. They just don't like me.

They shut me down. So I'm really happy that you're putting this type of thing out there. I think it's very important. I think it's going to increasingly be spreading out to all kinds of people, even people that don't have a program that they do on a regular basis. Years ago, we had George Gilder, and he wrote a book, Life After Google. And he said, you know, I think this whole model of Google, and he called the people in Silicon Valley, he called them neo-Marxist. And he said, you know, I think their whole business model is flawed. And he said, I think that there's going to be a marketplace for people who don't add privacy on as an afterthought.

They don't put it on as a bag on the side. It is fundamental to the way the product is designed. Is that kind of your approach to what you're doing? Exactly. And, you know, what we're really trying to do is just restore common sense into the marketplace, right? Should we, as a provider, be spying and reselling your information without your real consent, right? Yeah, we all accept the terms and conditions, but no one actually realizes what rights we're giving up there.

So, you know, And then they change them and you're in the middle of doing something. You got to check the box and you don't read them. By the time you would finish it, they would change it all over again. You know, those hundred, 200 page documents. And, and, you know, I think that it's right. You know, we're just serving that alternative because, you know, they are so big that they can be toppled without, you know, much effort, right? You take Google, they're making over $150 billion annually off of data monetization, right?

If the U.S. government comes in and says, hey, you can't just steal people's data and sell it to anyone anymore. Well, they're going to really have to rethink their model and they might have grown too large to support themselves. And so hypothetically, the giant will tumble and it'll come down hard. Yeah. Yeah. It's a very dangerous thing that these people are putting together. The people that are pushing artificial intelligence they're also pushing a universal basic income they see that as integral to their success as they see the necessity for having their

own nuclear power plant to run their gpus and stuff like that and and this is something that i've seen i remember when bloomberg was running for office i talked about this yesterday so i won't go into detail on it, but he was talking about how, yeah, we have to have universal basic income. That's when he trashed the farmers and stuff. But he was talking about the agrarian versus the industrial revolution, and he said, now the smart ones of us are trying to take everybody's jobs. And that's exactly what Sam Altman is saying. And you've got in the UK, you've got Jeffrey, was it Jeffrey Hinton, I think? They called him the godfather of AI, but I had not seen his name before. But he was there doing the same thing in the UK that Sam Altman is doing here, saying we've got to hook universal basic income in here because we were going to be intruding into so many different spaces that this is the way that we keep society from turning on us.

What do you think about that aspect of it? Well, I think that it goes back to the fact that, you know, it is another tool and mechanism of control. Right. It's plain and simple, if we allow for them to continue to take more and more and, you know, reduce the diversification in a space or in a market, you know, that that's where things get really hairy. And, you know, the next step in my assumption would be they just put AI in control of this entire government. Right. And I'm sure the democrats would love that because then they wouldn't have to listen to joe biden stumble through uh his speeches anymore but you know that that is kind of the trajectory that they're trying to take us down where you know would i be surprised in the next three to five years to hear democrats calling for ai to run many aspects of the government no oh yeah i wouldn't be

surprised if they do it before this uh election cycle is over and and so you know and i think that's one thing we have to really be concerned about you know if they say well we can have objectivism you know we can have an objective judge and a jury so we just make the ai the judge and the jury it's like whoa that's why people need to understand the bias and how easily it can be built in to the artificial intelligence, I think. Right. Because with the AI, the general information models that we have today, they're just large kind of guidelines, a lot of data.

And then the bias that was built into it by the people uh that founded and constructed these models you know those are biases the next step is you know it becomes a a sentient self-aware instance and then we're in terminator land uh so you know you you really have to to wonder how far are we willing to go how much of the genie are we allowing out of the bottle before we start saying, okay, let's take some time, reassess this, right? They want to implement AI so it can replace the workforce. I heard of one company who's massively integrating AI, and they're reducing their workforce by about 20% annually. So in five years, they're going to be down to an absolute skeleton crew. And then yeah, that universal basic income

becomes a requirement because it's now welfare because no one is employed because AI has been integrated strictly for profits into every single business. And of the the entry level and mid-level jobs have been just completely replaced it is a massive wealth transfer and and in order for them to do that they have to make us dependent on them and so you're right it is welfare and that's the the problem with all kinds of welfare it always is masked as if it were compassion but it's always ultimately about dependency and creating creating that making people helpless and dependent on the government and you lose your skills to be able to feed yourself you know so it's kind of a feeding people by hand the same way that you would tame a wild animal yeah you know and you think about

um you know universal basic income and i i would question your listeners to really explain how does it really differ from the ideology of Lenin and Stalin's communism, where everyone is equal, everyone is taken care of, everyone gets money and the profits and rewards of the economy. And so from that concept, how is it really different? And then remind me again, the USSR fell because it ran out of money, because the oligarchs took everything, consolidated, created a population that could barely uh afford to feed themselves and yeah it's failed time and time again you know slapping lipstick on a pig does not make it a new concept uh it's just it's just you know the same uh pieces of history repeating themselves over and

over again under just under a new name. I agree. Yeah, that was really actually the reason why George Gilder called them the neo-Marxists. He said Karl Marx believed with the Industrial Revolution that they had infinite material capacity. They could manufacture anything that they wanted to. So the only thing that was left was how do we distribute this, right? That's why you have the redistribution of wealth at the center of it all. And he said, and that's the conceit of these people in Silicon Valley.

They believe that they have unlimited material resources that they can manufacture anything. And all they have to do is figure out how to reallocate that. But their goal is in order to pacify us so they can continue on with their game. And that's the thing that is really different about it that we hadn't seen in America prior. You know, Henry Ford, with all of his pluses and his minuses, one of the things he said was, I want to make a car that my people working in the factory can afford to buy.

Well, they don't want to have people around. They're not interested in selling cars to their robots. You know, they just want to get us out of the way and they will do whatever they can and it's interesting because i would ask the tens of thousands of employees that are have been laid off by google by tesla by amazon by you know all these other silicon valleys now how do you really feel about that how's that working out for you because now they are beginning to consume their own yeah and so I I think that uh to your point the system will fall uh because it has lost uh core principles and morals yes and now they are just trying to constantly figure out how they make

a greater profit year over year instead of how do you create a great product, a great company that is here to serve your customers and become sustainable, right? And being able to take care of your employees and provide them the lifestyles in the American dream. So, you know, I think that it is a disconnection from the American dream, the principles of the founding fathers and God-given liberties. And I think that at the end of the day, just as history has shown us, those systems will always topple.

Yes, yes. And they're anti-human. They're anti-freedom. They're anti-human. And I believe that they will fail as people wake up. Our job is to wake them up the sooner, the better. So we can do the least amount of damage. Amen. Again,

your company is liberation tech. Is that correct? T E K. Yeah. So it's liberation. Our website is liberation, T E K liberation, tech.com.

Great. Great. Yeah. We'll be checking that out because we've been heavily censored here and I'm getting kind of tired of it. I've been tired of it for the last six years it's been going on not alone yeah so uh it's it's uh wonderful that people are going to use tools to get around these tools of censorship and control i'm so excited to see what you've got

there thank you so much andrew uh andrew uh riddaw is is that the way you say it? Okay, great. Andrew Ridaw and the company is Information Tech, T-E-K. Liberation Tech. I'm sorry, Liberation Tech, T-E-K.com. Liberation T-E-K.com. Thank you so much for joining us. Appreciate it. The David Knight Show is a critical thinking super spreader. If you've been exposed to logic by listening to The David Knight Show, please do your part and try not to spread it.

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