The David Knight Show - Interview: Richard Gage: 25 Years Later, Building 7 Still Defies Explanation

Episode Date: September 4, 2026

Twenty-five years after 9/11, architect Richard Gage says the physical evidence still demolishes the official story. From Building 7’s free-fall descent and eyewitness reports of explosions to molten steel, pulverized concrete, and alleged thermitic material in the World Trade Center dust, Gage lays out the evidence he says demands a new investigation into what really brought down three skyscrapers that day. Money should have intrinsic value AND transactional privacy: Go to https://davidknight.gold/ for great deals on physical gold/silver For 10% off Gerald Celente's prescient Trends Journal, go to https://trendsjournal.com/ and enter the code “KNIGHT” For high quality made in America products go to HomeSteadProducts.shop and use promo code “Knight” for 10% off your purchases Find out more about the show and where you can watch it at TheDavidKnightShow.com If you would like to support the show and our family please consider subscribing monthly here: SubscribeStar https://www.subscribestar.com/the-david-knight-show Or you can send a donation throughMail: David Knight POB 994 Kodak, TN 37764Zelle: @[e-mail] App at: $davidknightshowBTC to: bc1qkuec29hkuye4xse9unh7nptvu3y9qmv24vanh7Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-david-knight-show--2653468/support.

If you look at the film of the North Tower collapsing, you can see all the explosions in the controlled demolition of that building happening in front of your very eyes. That was the BBC in real time on television telling you that the building seven had already fallen when it hadn't fallen yet. If it was true that two planes brought down three buildings in a completely unprecedented way, then that should. have caused us to rethink the way we build these buildings. It didn't. If a hundred thousand tons of structural steel is found that far outside of the perimeter, what's there to crush the building? Three different peer-reviewed scientific studies have concluded there was informed trading before 9-11. We have a clear right and an obligation to search for answers to the fundamental

question about the planning of 9-11, its execution, the physical effects, the structural consequences when the planes hit the World Trade Center. There was an explosion in the basement prior to the tower being hit by a plane. I felt this, I call it, an incredible force of wind, of something coming at you. The South Tower now is starting to implode the fireball, is following. following us so we're running away from a fireball. That building had no reason to come down. There's no history of a high-rise fire

and a fire proof resulting in failure of the building. And on the side of the U-Haul truck had a mural at the Twin Towers on the side and a plane going into the Twin Towers. The further down into that pile I got, the more I could make out what looked like from a science fiction from a science fiction movie molten lava. Why was crucial evidence of melted structural steel

suppressed and not even considered, or worse yet, allowed to be carted off and destroyed? The 9-11 Commission did not look into at all how the towers came down. There were a number of hijack exercises prior to 9-11 that mirrored the events. In my work with the anthrax letters, they would cite experts or, you know, administration official, and they would never give you the name. And when they don't give you the name, you know they're giving you the narrative. How come four airplanes, four commercial

airplanes could be hijacked in a period of 90-something minutes, and nothing happened? Well, please welcome San Francisco Bay Area architect Richard Gage, AIA member of the American Institute of Architects, founder and former CEO of Architects and Engineers for 9-11 Truth. He now leads to the leads the charge for New World Trade Center investigation, along with his courageous wife, Gail at Richard Gage 911.org. Mr. Gage became interested in researching the destruction of the World Trade Center, high rises after hearing the startling conclusions of reluctant 9-11 researcher David Ray Griffin on the radio in 2006, which launched his own unyielding quest for the truth about 911.

The organization he founded, A.E. 911 Truth, now numbers more than 3,600 archivaled, and engineers demanding a new investigation into the explosive destruction of all three World Trade Center high-rise buildings on 9-11. As an architect, he has worked on most types of building construction, including numerous fireproofed steel-framed buildings. Most recently, he worked on the construction documents for a $400 million mixed-use urban project with 1.2 million square feet of retail, parking structure, mid-rise, office space, altogether about 1,200 tons of steel framing. Well, Richard, let's hope that that doesn't just come collapsing down. Yeah, really. Well, we look at this. I mean, how do we gauge this, no pun intended, when you've got no changes to the building codes

and no changes to the way they fight fires? That's some of the people I've talked to about. That is a guy, Tony Rook, in the UK, and that was one of his big issues. It's like, why haven't we had to change? They're still going up into high rises and fighting fires. The guy who wrote the textbook on this subject, Raulangulo, the Seattle Fire Captain, he says, we haven't changed anything.

We're not worried about these buildings coming down on us at Freefall. And this, the National Institute of Standards and Technology, who investigated these buildings, made recommendations to the International Building Code, but they haven't been followed for the structural revisions. So you can still have, theoretically, any of these buildings, and they're similarly built, right? A hundred of them or more throughout the United States

that could come down on them. Well, of course, there's a picture that you put up of the trade centers as they were going up. In terms of steel skyscraper is probably one of the most sturdy ones up there. And of course, Donald Trump said that on day one, but of course, he doesn't talk about that anymore. But, you know, the fact that it had steel girders all around the perimeter that were there.

It's truly amazing. And we have seen fire after fire both before and after. And we've had fires that have burned and steel skyscrapers for many days. And they never come collapsing down in free fall. What you might have is a burned out structure of the steel still there. And it's maybe leaning over to the side a little bit. But they don't just fall down all at once, especially not a building that wasn't even hit by the plane. That's the most amazing thing, I guess. And you know, it took you a few years before you started investigating this as an architect. I as well did not really think about it because I was really more focused in what they were trying to bring in with Homeland Security.

I had actually not seen these things fall until probably about five or six years later because when it was all happening, we didn't have television. We were out in the middle of the woods and we had relatives who were calling us because we had relatives who were in New York. I actually had a relative who was in the building. And I'm listening to this stuff and they said, oh, one of them fell down. I'm thinking, wow, how much of Manhattan did that take out if it fell down on one side? But it was years before I saw the free fall collapse. So it's kind of interesting. Here we are 25 years later.

What's going to change this? You've got a convention that is coming up, don't you? Call Turning the Tide. Tell us a little bit about that. Boy, do we. This is huge. David, we've got, let me share my screen with you. We've got 40 speakers that were bringing

to New York. This is the largest 9-11 Truth conference ever assembled, and this on the 25th anniversary of 9-11. So we have an extraordinary venue, but all of these people that we heard about from the developer of the World Trade Center, Larry Silverstein, just now, we've got him being quite concerned about some of the characters that we've, we brought together Pink Floyd iconic rock star Roger Waters, for instance, who's been working with Matt Campbell to get justice for his brothers Jeff's murder in the North Tower on 9-11. And in the UK, they have an inquest they can go after in order to make sure that we get to the bottom of the true story of how these families were blown to small pieces.

I mean, 6,000 pieces small enough to fit into a test tube, and they couldn't find, you know, 300 bodies altogether. Wow. So we've got James Lee, who went deep into the Charlie Kirk assassination. We've got Brett Weinstein, a deep thinker now with the Dark Horse podcast calling all kinds of questions about 9-11, as is Chris Martinson from Peak Prosperity. He analyzes the evidence as well and goes into it deeply. Karen Krakowski of the Pentagon, she is a whistleblower about the intelligence failures in the Pentagon, and not just failures, but complicity.

James Corbett of the Corbett Report will be doing. He's excellent, yeah. Isn't he amazing? Yeah, I really like Jim's work, yeah. Oh, and Jimmy Dorr, who's been talking about 9-11 for years now and had us on the show, as did Clayton Morris of redacted. But Jimmy will be there in person highlighting Saturday night. Pretty exciting.

And we've got Dennis Kucinich also, a former congressman. He, back in, what was it? Well, last year, Dennis Kucinich brought Dana Rorobacher and Kurt Weldon all together to speak at our conference in Washington, D.C. for the 9-11 truth. And that's where this turning the tide got started is in Washington, D.C. He gave a rousing speech. He's coming back to do that again, and he's trying to bring back Senator Ron Johnson with him, who is the chair of the Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations,

who effectively inspired us to put all our evidence together to bring. it to him so that he could have hearings in the Senate like he's doing with COVID. So we're very excited about that, and we put together a thousand pages of that report, and we'll be presenting it at the conference as well. For my part, of course, on the explosive destruction of all three of these World Trade Center skyscrapers that we'll be looking at today. But that's just a lot to go over here. I mean, we've got Merrill Nass, exposing anthrax and COVID.

Phil Turney, the U.S. Liberty, a false flag event. He'll be Sunday's False Flag Day, September 13th. So we've got Charlie Kirk, Oklahoma bombing, the USS Liberty, Epstein, lots of false flags to go over. Derek Broves will be there. about specifically the Oklahoma City bombing. And then we've got also Mary Holland of the Children's Health Defense. Of course, that's Bobby Kennedy's organization, and she's been a 9-11 truth for a long time,

which means, of course, well, it doesn't mean, but Bobby's on top of this too, but it's not something he could talk about. His hands are pretty well tied in the position he's in the Trump administration. But we have first responders, Chris Joya, Eric Lawyer, and Captain Richard Patterson of the FDNY. We have Patrick Dillon, first responder. These guys saw molten iron deep in the pile Patrick Dillon did. Captain Patterson said, construction worker walked by him saying, that building is coming down around 5 o'clock. He's going to tell that story. Patrick Dillon was in Building 7, and he had

three battalion chiefs come in and kick all the first responders who were trying to recover in the lobby of Building 7, said, get out. They're going to pull the building. You had everybody out now. And they were trailed by two guys with guns, I mean, big guns. So this is new information to a lot of people. It'll be emceived by the maker of loose change. one of them, this Jason Burmiss and Amad of a Setti. Willie Rodriguez, the last man out, who saved lives in the towers. And he just dove out of the tower underneath a fire truck and all the debris came down on top of the fire truck. He would have been killed if he weren't there.

He's a hero. And we've got researchers, Dr. Pierce Robinson and Alan Merrill and the intelligence failures. along with Mick Harrison, the flight, impossible flights that were led to believe were done by hijackers, but are Nazis who may not even, and probably weren't on the planes themselves. Barbara Hanuker from the Lawyers Committee for 9-11 Inquiry will be telling us about their important work. Niels Herod is flying from Denmark to tell us about the nanothermite found in the World Trade Center dust responsible for, bringing these buildings down. Nanothermite.

There's eight international scientists that he assembled together, and this peer-reviewed paper's never been challenged. So he'll be talking about that. And Jonathan Cole, Cole, who's made the movie about false flag operations. It's False Flag Day. 9-11 is the mother of all false flag operations. Oh, yeah. So this film is declaring, hey, we should call this false flag day.

Go ahead, Dave. That's right. Yeah. When I look at nine, you're talking about being a false flag. I think of it as the Reichstag fire that kicked off the 21st century police surveillance state here in America. And it really is interesting. You talk about how you got Meryl is going to be talking about the anthrax attacks. And of course, you know, when you look at it, it really worked hand in glove, didn't it, with the other shoe to drop 20 years later.

We had dark winter two months before you had nine last. One week later, you got an anthrax attack that's sent to the offices of a couple of senators who are very reluctant to do Homeland Security Bill. And then two months later, they send out the model legislation that everybody used in 2020. It's just amazing. And then they practiced this pandemic lockdown waiting for an experimental vaccine. They practiced that for 20 years. It's amazing how these people work this thing out on such a long term. It truly is the mother of all false flags, isn't it?

Yeah, and we've had another mother of all false flag since then, haven't we, with COVID, the false disease engineered and patented, along with the false solution engineered and patented well before the disease ever came out. And I see that as just the other shooter drop from this same event here. That's the way I see it. You know, the two of them are so tied together at the very beginning, even a couple of weeks before that. it truly is amazing how these things are all pulled together. The one thing that I think is funny, Richard, is the fact that they have, usually they pick a term to describe their enemies that is advantageous to them, but they wound up calling us truthers, which I guess would make them liars, right?

Yeah, exactly. They call us conspiracy theorists, but we're citing evidence, most of us, and we're not theorizing much, but we have a whole lot of evidence. evidence to back up everything that we are theorizing. And we're going to show your audience that today. But first I wanted to share this venue. This is a historic venue, El Museo del Barrio Teatro, an extraordinary theater built in the 40s.

We're there. We're going to try to fill every seat, David. And is that in New York City? That's in New York City, right? Right on Central Park on Fifth Avenue, you bet. A gorgeous venue. and we have, we start Thursday with all of these speakers that we've named so far. Friday, we've named most of these.

John Kirby, by the way, will be presenting the premiere of his new film, The Responders. And these are responders who are not supporting the official narrative. They are witnesses of explosions and fireballs and things that nist the National Institute of Standards and Technology. who was tasked by Congress to explain these collapses to the American people. They don't talk about explosions. They say there are no first responders talking about explosions. Well, we have 156 of them that we talk about in our presentations, orally recorded. I mean, within a month after 9-11, but it's just been buried.

And then Sunday, overcoming the deep state. Saturday night is our big night with Jimmy Dorr and Willie Rodriguez and others. And this is the Responder's movie that is going to be premiered that we're so excited about. So all four days, $150,000. That's great. Or a single days you can get, too. And we have, if you want to sit up front and go to the head of the lines and have brunch, a classy brunch with Roger Waters of Pink Floyd, Brett Weinstein, Jimmy Dorr,

and all the rest of the speakers, a donation to support the conference because it's mostly supported by donations. The tickets don't cover all the price, all the costs. So that's $911 for those of you. Would you come up with that price? I can't imagine. It works.

Yeah, it does. It works. We sold about 15 tickets at that price, and there's more left. That's great. We encourage people to... Well, I really do appreciate you doing this. And, of course, you've been on this for, so many years. I just talked about a story the other day, the fact that you had some people saying,

well, it's about time we get this chic Khalid or whatever the Patsy is that they got. They've had and get him out for 25 years, and he hasn't had a trial. And when I looked at that, I said, well, you know, maybe there's a reason they haven't had a trial. Maybe they don't want to have discovery. Maybe they don't want to really talk about this stuff. That's right. And plus, his testimony is no good anyway, because he was tortured. Well, I don't know. I don't. I don't times or something. That's right, yeah. Yeah, we've started massive wars based on that same approach, haven't we that? Based on life. Well, 9-11 is a war trigger, as Professor Graham McQueen calls it. And these are designed to achieve an outcome, which is generally war,

which affects regime change and the stealing of resources in countries like Afghanistan, opium, and Iraq, oil. So, you know, here we go. again, what are we really doing in Iran? We're affecting regime change for resources. So it never ends, David. Well, I think we had regime change here in America. When we created Homeland Security, we got TSA and all the rest of this stuff, the entire world change. I don't fly anymore because of what is happening. I just, sorry, it's like, there's no place I don't want to go badly enough that I will go through that stuff. It just makes me too angry. But I just can't believe what they've wound up doing to our country. And all of this stuff is so calculated, so planned in advance. And you can see it.

You know, we know about these germ games on a regular basis. And, you know, one of the people that you had up there on your chart on the first page, I think it was the second one in on the second line, looked like Anthony Fauci. I couldn't see the person's name. I was like, is Fauci going to be coming? I mean, he could speak on it because it is connected. All these things are connected, aren't they? You know, we should do a timeline junkie did that great video about Larry Silverstein. He should do one on

Fauci. I think that would be funny. But no, this is Bob McAvane. You're looking at here. He's the father of Bobby who was murdered also in the North Tower. And he's been crying out for justice for 25 years now. And it just doesn't get

any easier for him or for any of the family members, of course. I'm so sorry. hear that. It's harder and harder, but he is, yeah, he has been a stalwart in his outspoken support for the 9-11 Truth movements, particularly architecture and engineers for 9-11 Truth, those of us who were talking about what really happened at these towers.

Is there going to be any discussion about the Pentagon or are you in Flight 93, are you going to be focused primarily on what happened in New York? primarily on the towers and the intelligence failures and impossible flights and the control of these aircraft and the hijackers. But all of us have very serious questions, of course, about flight 93 and what brought it down and where it actually landed, for instance, who was on the plane. And then the Pentagon, of course, which we have disagreements in the 9-11 Truth Movement about what did or didn't. hit the Pentagon, but we all agree nothing should have hit the most highly defended building in the world, particularly

this airliner, civilian aircraft doing a 8,000 feet per minute drop in a 270-degree corkscrew maneuver more associated with a fighter jet. And then where does it land, David? Does it come down right

on top of Donald Rumsfeld? That's easy target, right? The big, from the sky. Oh, there's the Pentagon. I'm going right out it. No, it does this crazy corkscrew and lands right in the area of the investigators from the Department of the Army who were investigating the $2.3 trillion that Donald Rumsfeld had just announced the night before was missing from the Pentagon budget. You know, it's interesting, and I've got an anecdote, I'll tell you about this, and I kicked myself for not having recorded it, but I wanted

to hear what the woman said, and I figured if I pulled out my phone, she would stop talking. We went down to a little vacation area that's just south of Austin. My wife and I did. It was a tourist shop. And she's looking at a little knick-knacks and everything. I'm saying there were the only three people in the store, the woman who ran the store and the two of us. And she starts telling me about her life story,

how she was former military. She got out after her husband retired. And she said, you know, I was right there. I got out a couple of months before 9-11, but I was working in that office. I said, oh, really? And she said, yeah, it's amazing. She said, you wouldn't believe how much stuff we found on people. She said, we had politicians and military people who were just taking retirement left and right

rather than going through some kind of a criminal process. And she said, and I was lucky to get out there and said, where do you get your news? What are your favorite news outlets? I mean, she was absolutely clueless, and she was right there. And she was talking about all the corruption that they were discovering. And then the fact that she got out just in time, but she was absolutely clueless. She believed the entire official narrative, even though she was right there. Well, this is psychological trauma, trauma-based mind control that we were all put in her, shock and awe.

With these towers were hit, we were under attack. We'd never been under attack before. Yeah. And I'm on the West Coast, right? We're talking about New Yorkers, incredible. And we want answers, and we accept those answers when they come right away. you know like in 48 hours every one of the 19 hijackers listed in the grid of in the grid of terror there that they showed us but many of them turned out to be alive later on and some of them did it it is there's no evidence that they were on the planes there's no evidence that they were in the in the airports actually lots of problems with the official narrative absolutely beginning to end in fact beginning with Building 7, I want to make sure we at least show people what happened to this building.

Shall we do that? Yeah, go ahead. You got it. Take control. Give everybody your short pitch here. We got a good amount of time. But yeah, I'm sure at this point, many of my listeners have heard me cover this stuff, but it's never enough to just say it once or twice.

We need to hammer this home because most people still have not gotten the message. So yeah, go ahead and show us. And how many of our wonderful listeners out there on the David Knight Show have taken the time to send this material to people that aren't aware of it? Yes. Those are the people we need to reach. So share every one of the David Knight podcast with everybody you know, guys. He is putting the information out here, not just for your entertainment, right?

This is for the waking up of America. We're trying to save our country here. That's right. And it may be too late. And this is foundational. I mean, this is a thing. I look at it. I see not just the towers falling.

I see the Constitution falling. I see our government, our way of life being taken down by these people as well. Oh, yeah. And we've got to do something. So I'm doing what I can do. These are buildings. I'm an architect. So this is something that I can do.

We have a 47-story skyscraper that came down in the afternoon of 9-11. Most architecture and engineers know nothing about it, which is why I'm still talking about it 20 years later. This building was 47 stories 100 feet away from the North Tower, and here it is standing pretty fine after the towers came down that morning. It did have some damage, but missed the National Institute of Standards of Technology,

who was tasked by Congress to explain these. They said that wasn't a factor in the building's collapse. But let's look at that collapse and see what we can learn. 520 in the afternoon. The upper part, the East Penhouse comes down in an isolated event, and then six seconds later, the entire building does this, uniformly, symmetrically, straight down into its own footprint at free fall acceleration. Wow. Now, that's a problem. Most people who are in fifth grade or above realize that this did not come

down to the cause that we are told. What are we told? What we found was an uncontrolled building fires caused an extraordinary event. The collapse of World Trade Center 7 was primarily due to fire. Fires? Well, we ought to look at those fires then, right? They are few. They are scattered throughout the building. They're relatively small. And they are burned out. out on the area of interest by NIST, more than an hour before the building came down on floor 12, where their initiation of collapse,

which is a pretty elaborate, unrealistic, and provably wrong theory is based on that 12th floor. But we've never lost a steel frame fire-protected structure ever in history due to fires. I mean, with much larger, longer-lasting, and hotter fires in these buildings and not before 9-11 nor after 9-11

where we have these much hotter fires fully engulfing these buildings. That's right. They don't come down. It just doesn't happen. So what does bring them down, David? Three guests.

We can compare them, right? Is there any similarity? Yeah. Is there enough similarity toward an investigation into the possible use of explosives? especially since fire, the official cause of the facilities collapse, has never any history brought down a steel frame fire protected structure.

So what we're going to do in the conference is look at the evidence of the features of controlled demolition on Building 7 and the Twin Towers and compare them to what actually happened in reality. And we're going to find out what brought this building down. we're going to be looking at, for instance, from West Street. Is it really symmetric? Yeah, it's pretty symmetrical. How do you do that? You have to take out all the core columns with a fraction of a second of each other, right?

Followed about a second later by the perimeter columns. Any deviation in that pattern and the building doesn't go down symmetrically. It's pretty incredible. Did these fires take all those columns out at once, David? I said this is fifth grade. I really meant it. Yeah. I mean, we'll laugh about this.

It's a tragedy with all the people had died. It's a tragedy, but it is so unbelievably stupid that this narrative, this ridiculous narrative would go. Look at that. That's what I thought had happened. Yeah, exactly. That's what I was imagined when I was talking to somebody on the phone. They were talking about it. I thought, wow, you know, how many other buildings did it take out when it went down?

But, yeah, falling over on the side like that, that is what you would expect if it's going to collapse as you point out. It's all got to be timed perfectly, or it will go over on the end. And I would suggest to people, do your own research and just go. It's kind of entertaining, in a sense, to look at the absurdity of this lie that they have here. But just go on YouTube and take a look at building demolitions. Watch them over and over again. This is a number one A1 job that they did here.

Because as you point out, if you don't give the timing exactly right, it'll deviate and fall to one side or the other. But it is obvious, if you start watching these things, one after the other, it's obvious that it's a controlled demolition. It couldn't be anything other than that. Especially with this feature of free fall. They're falling as fast as a bowling ball falling out of the sky, gaining velocity every second. And so the bowling ball has no structure underneath it.

This building had 40,000 tons of structural steel, which means what? That not one of these 82 columns gave any resistance. for this building's seven second fall. So did fires take them all out so that that can happen? These fires, no, not going to happen. So what we're going to do is show the committee with the 9-11 Truth and Accountability Report

and at the conference we're going to show the evidence, the witnesses of explosions before this building came down. And was a series of concussive explosions. Before the building came down, all these witnesses. This gentleman who worked in the 23rd floor emergency management office, Richard Rotel. He saw an elevator that was blown out of its shaft. This is after 12 o'clock in the afternoon, 1 o'clock. It was blown out of its shaft down the hall 30 to 40 feet.

And this says there were no explosions. What did fire, blow the elevator cab out of its shaft? And he says gaping holes above him with columns dangling. It's pretty darn important. Many witnesses including Barry Jennings. Yeah, here's one of the guys you can tell you I'm okay. Witnesses of explorers like this. You want to call your mother or something?

We'll be talking about those and controlled demolition experts and structural engineers and the University of Alaska that got involved doing their four years. your report on the building, completely pulling the rug out from underneath the NIST report, saying, hey, how did this building come down? It came down because it was a global failure, evolving what? The near simultaneous failure of all the columns in the building,

not a progressive collapse, as claimed by NIST. So that's how obvious it is. And so we have to ask, what could have brought this building down? Well, we should look, not frankly. conspiracy theorists, but at FEMA, who actually included in their report at Appendix C, the metallurgical examination of the steel from Building 7 and the Twin Towers. What did they find? Never before observed eutectic reactions causing intergranular melting capable of turning a solid steel girder into Swiss cheese like this piece of World Trade Center 7 steel. Guess what, David?

fire does not do this to steal. Neither does jet fuel. Doesn't melt it. We're talking about 3,000 degrees Fahrenheit to do this to steel. And twin towers, columns thinned to razor sharpness through what? Rapid oxidation and sulfidation. That's not fire. Liquid iron, that's molten iron. Sulfur formed during this hot corrosion attack on the steel. You can tell the, temperature of molten iron and steel by its color. We're exceeding 2,500 degrees here. Wow. Berenheit. There's no accounting whatsoever in the official narrative for these temperatures, and I'm only giving you the 10-minute version. We've got a five-hour version with all the

sevens in it. So that's all evidence. I remember Tucker coming and I say, what isn't all these people want to say, ask me these questions about, well, what is the, what is the melting point of steel? And what is the temperature of which jet fuel burns? And he goes, what is it with these people? I was like, well, you might want to think about that. And he was interviewing somebody. Maybe you remember who he was interviewing, but he wanted to show him the pictures of Building Seven, just as you showed us just now.

And he says, I'm sorry, we can't run that, you know, and kind of blew it off. Wouldn't let the guy run that. Oh, you're talking 20 years ago, right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that was David Ray Griffin and Stephen Jones, he interviewed, ridiculed both of them. Yeah. We're still waiting for an apology.

I don't know how long we have to wait. but that's all evidence of ignited incendiaries. Incendaries work by means of heat. Explosives work by means of expansion of gases, organic material, and knocks things over. So we have to ask, was there any evidence of unignited incendiaries in the World Trade Center dust? And that's where Neil's hair comes in, and he'll be at the conference talking about the seven independently collected samples that he found the same curious red-gray chips. in and they're attracted to a magnet so they have a high iron content so he he does x-ray energy dispersive spectroscopy finds manganese iron oxide and aluminum the signature of thermite in these they go whoa

what's that doing this is not paint paint doesn't have these exotic properties so they zoom in 50,000 times with an electron microscope and they find these iron oxide point and aluminum platelets that are a thousand times smaller than the diameter of human hair. Nanoparticles. Well, there's a lot more to this story, but they conclude in 2009 with peer-reviewed paper that's active, unreacted thermitic material incorporating nanotechnology. So that's not been contested. And that's among the evidence that's convinced 3,600 architects and engineers.

on the petition at A.E.911truth.org to find that, hey, we need an investigation. We got to get an impartial, unimpeachable investigation to find out what really happened. And many of them appear in our ongoing film series. We have 12 episodes. Six of them are done. It's called 9-11 crime scene to courtroom. And what we're doing is taking to court the evidence that. that we're talking about here. Here's just a taste. Improbable, the conclusion may appear. When you've eliminated the impossibility, whatever remains. However improbable must be the truth. We're bringing alive in the film the 60 exhibits of the 9-11 WTC evidence contained in the Lawyers Committee,

grand jury petition that have already been submitted to the U.S. Attorney in Manhattan to present these with special criminal. This historic investigation is ongoing, and there's a role for you in it. Yes, you can help us bring the real perpetrators to justice. Through this film series, we're bringing together two dozen experts in their fields. They ignored any scenario involving incendiates. Demolition work, you're going to set charges on each floor. In other words, all of the interior columns over eight stories came down.

It basically lost it once. I could make out what looked like the famous science fiction movie, Moulth and Lod, okay? Paused and said that would be coming down around 5 o'clock. He'll be filming these evidence presentations, not only for our filing with the grand jury, also the presentations to each of you. We're inviting me to serve as virtual grand jury during each episode.

Definitely. Oh, that's excellent. That's excellent. Take a look at that, guys. 911c2c.org. Well, I would definitely indict them. Do you have the, just all the guests that you've got coming in to talk about this? Do you by any chance how the dancing Israelis are going to come in and make an appearance?

Well, we like to get them. I have a feeling. We'd like to have them in front of the grand jury, Whitney here. That'll be pretty hard to. to make happen. Many of these experts are appearing in our film also. But you've got

to realize that since Building 7 is so obvious, what about the Twin Towers? Shouldn't we at least look at it to see if there's something wrong there too? And I just wanted to share with everybody.

We're here simultaneously shown the destruction of each of the two towers. Upward, Outward arching streamers, a geometry of fireworks, freely flying structural steel sections, weighing four up to eight tons each, laterally ejected at 85 miles an hour, landing up to 600 feet in every direction, trailed by what? Thick, white smoke clouds. Wait a minute.

Why are the structural steel sections, which are not flammable, in office fire conditions, trailing thick, white smoke clouds? Well, let's look and see what thermite does, how it burns. We see molten iron, the main byproduct, but we also see thick white smoke clouds of what? Aluminum oxide ash, the other byproduct of thermite. This is proof of what brought the towers down. because, you know, fire does not catch steel on fire. So this is the only rational explanation for that phenomena.

So we'll be going through the features of control demolition, the Twin Towers, for instance, we're told that the upper part drove the rest of the building down to the ground. Well, guess what? Look at the lower red line, the point of plane impacts. This tower is not driving anything down to the ground. It's destroying itself. the upper part of the tower.

In three seconds, it's gone. Almost free fall acceleration in this case, 66% of free fall. It doesn't slow down. It's being destroyed. If it were there, you'd see it in photos and videos, but you don't. If it were there, it would have destroyed these few remaining columns

standing 900 feet in the air for another dozen seconds. Wow. No. So what are we looking at? Are we looking at a building collapse? Or are we looking at something else? In fact, which one is the volcano? Upward, outward, arching streamers?

A geometry of fireworks, freely flying, solid, molten objects trailed by thick, white smoke clouds. That's the analogy. Yeah, building one is on the left. But look at the similarities. It's incredible, very explosive event. Not very controlled at all, actually. So we have 156 first responders who are witnesses of explosions, many of them before the towers even come down. And I'm not going to read them all to you because we're short on time.

But it is incredible. We will bring all this, and I've spent 90 minutes with Senator Johnson personally on the Zoom showing him all of this evidence. and he was blown away, which is why he appeared at our conference in Washington, D.C. But we have to ask a question, David, if 100,000 tons of structural steel is found outside, well outside the perimeter of the towers, I've got to ask, well, what's crushing the building? This is a third of the weight of the building. It's not available to crush the building since it's been distributed so far. laterally.

And so maybe it was the concrete floors. Well, we look for the concrete floors, and did we find any? Well, we have four and eight inch thick concrete poured on metal decking supported by lightweight steel trusses. We're looking for 110 of these, each, an acre in size. But we don't find 50. We don't find 10. We don't find one acre size floor system.

We don't find a half acre or a quarter. quarter acre, 16th of an acre. Gone. In a real gravitational collapse, like this one in Mexico, we have pancakes, or this one in Bangkok, 33 stories, pancake down. Guess how high that pile is? Ten stories. A third of its height.

What's the height of the pile at the towers? About six stories. It should have been a 30-story pile of pancakes, but there's no pancakes, and there's only a six-story pile. look at those guys down at the bottom that's a 10-story pile of a former high rise where's the concrete it's missing oh there it is we have it's pulverized in mid-air what can pulverize 90,000 tons of concrete in each of these buildings well explosives can do that turns out heat can do that too American Society testing materials finds that at 1,500 degrees white powder-decomposed hydration products. That's sand and gravel and powder. It's all missing.

Wait a minute. If it's missing and spread laterally, as you see on the right, throughout lower Manhattan in a blanket three inches thick, then what's crushing the building? If all the concrete is from river to river, it's not available to crush the building below it either. Together with the steel, that's two-thirds of the weight of this building. not available to crush it whatsoever.

And that's why so many architecture and engineers are convinced of the proof of control demolition. And that's why we've got to have a new investigation, not just because the buildings were blown up, but because of the implications of this. This is obviously an inside job, Al-Qaeda didn't have access to this building. I constantly tell people, you know, the big mistakes we make in terms of thinking about the government is we don't realize just how evil the people are. And we don't realize how sophisticated their technology is either. You know, it really is amazing when you look at this.

They were able to pull this off. And then, of course, cover it up because of their control of the media. It's scary. How controlled they are. I mean, we've learned, I've learned that 90% of the media is controlled by just five corporations. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Who owns us corporations?

Yeah, pretty soon they're all being owned by that one guy, yeah. Yeah, and that one guy owns the arms industry, the oil industry, the banking industry, the insurance industry, and the media, of course. So, yeah, they're not working for our benefit, and we're up against, I mean, there's a lot more of us, but we're, for the most part, sheep. Well, you know, when you look at this, it was definitely a controlled demolition of the building. It's also controlled demolition of our government, our society, our way of life as well, isn't it? Yeah. That's the key case. And that's why, you know, it's amazing that of all the senators that have come and gone,

we've only got one that is even interested in listening to this and taking a look at it. Nobody else is interested in that. Maybe they've had a talking to. I don't know. But it is, I'm glad to see that Ron Johnson is going to take this on and run with it. Hopefully he will. And hopefully they'll get some track. because that's to me the most amazing thing.

We look at these absurd lies that they put out and because people are trained to listen to authority figures. They're trained to listen to peer pressure and all the rest of this stuff. And now we have these massive engines of generating consent we call social media as well as the mainstream media that's been there for a long time. It truly is an uphill struggle. And I know you've been at the center of this thing now for 25 years. or I guess you got into it five, five years afterwards, but yeah, you've been doing it for 20 years.

And it absolutely is insane that people still believe the official story. It really is. I can't understand that myself. But, you know, we're sort of living in a bubble in the truth community where we're talking to maybe 20, 30, maybe 40% of the American public. seem like they have the other ones handcuffed and brainwashed and those are the people that

somehow one by one, one neuron at a time as Dan says. When you look at things like a loose change that Jason Burmiss did and I remember talking to Joe Biggs and he was actually I think in Iraq Iraq or Afghanistan when he saw that he said he didn't know anything about it

he wasn't really but he's just desperate for something to watch because he's got some time off. He watches that thing, and just one movie like that can really change somebody's mind. That's why what you're doing is so important. When you put together all of these presentations, these documentaries,

these series of investigations with the court stuff, I think that once somebody sees that, you can't unsee it. And then once you realize that they pulled the wool over your eyes for so long on such a key issue like this, that really brings people around. And so that is the real issue,

the payoff that you get when somebody finally wakes up. Because we got to think where we were before we woke up. That's right. I had swallowed the official story hook line and sinker. And man, when I heard David Ray Griffin on the radio in 2006 talk about this, I sort of could make sense the logic of what he was talking about, but I never knew a building, a third building came down. They didn't talk about that.

I'm one of 90,000 members of the American Institute of Architects. We didn't get one bulletin on this, the third worst structural failure in modern history after the Twin Towers. So my worldview just started turning upside down. It's like, wait a minute, I've been lied to personally. I took it personally. I got real angry. I'd been deceived.

The whole world had been deceived. deceived. I can't just sit on this. I can't turn away from it. I got to talk about it. And it's been nonstop now. I mean, a thousand presentations in 24 countries. It just never stops. Maybe we are getting somewhere, David. Maybe the neurons are waking up out there at a rate and a methodology that we don't understand a higher power at work. We just hope after putting one foot in front of the other for so long that it will just break here and that's what we're expecting it,

turning the tide 9-11 in New York City, September 10 through 13th, 40 speakers. Four days, it's got to turn everything around, open everything up, break the wall of denial out there. I agree. And when you get people awake on one particular part of it,

right? If you can point out to them that, hey, all these things have to go off in a very precise timing or it's not going to go straight down. You know, you get a little bit of a wedge like that in there. Tell me a little bit more. You get a little bit more of this stuff. And pretty soon, once they really get the bigger picture here, like I said, they're not going to, they're not going to go back and look at an official narrative the same way ever again. I think that's the key thing. You know, the guy I was joking about, say, he looks like Fauci or whatever. I was. I was thinking as you were talking about this, just how horrific this has been. And to know if you were somebody like him, and you know that the official story is a lie, and you've watched these people

get away with this for decades, something that murdered your family member, it just really is going to be infuriating. Yeah, it's just amazing. It's so sad. Yeah, I'd be on fire myself. And many of the family members are, the Jersey girls, force the Bush administration to get the 9-11 commission going through sheer, I don't know the word. Determination, I guess. Well, that's for sure, but the emotions behind that determination, too. It's amazing. despair.

Yeah, it is. Anger. Mm-hmm. And it makes me equally angry to see. I didn't have anybody that I knew that. died in any of these things. But, you know, to see the horrific things like that one guy who jumped out when there was a fire and you see him going, you know, headfirst down, just the horrific personal stories with that. But when we look at what is being done to our country,

that is the other thing. And this is going to be a generational thing. It's going on for a very long time. They have been planning and plotting and practicing this thing for decades. And everything is coming out according to plan. That is what's so infuriating about all this stuff, that these guys are winning with us. So we've got to turn this stuff around. I really do hope that people will go to this. And I'm sure, you know, go to your website as well, which is Richard Gage911.org. People can find where they can get the tickets for that.

They can also see where there's going to be additional resources that they can get. Movies that, I guess, that are going to be available for purchase that are going to be coming out. That tells us a little bit about some of the information resources that you have. if people can't make it to the convention that's coming up. Yeah, well, first of all, it'll be live streamed. Clayton Morris's redacted platform, so millions will be able to see it, redacted on YouTube, Clayton Morris.

And, yes, we'll be showing some brief bits of the 9-11 crime scene to courtroom, the docu-series that we showed you a trailer of. at the conference. But you can see all six episodes at Richard Gage911.org and find your way to the website for the crime scene series. It is pretty darn good. We're submitting it through Film Hub to Amazon, Netflix, etc. This week.

So we're hoping to get that scene out there big time. That's great. Yeah, you can probably get it on Tooby as well. Tubey is a service like that that has ads that are embedded in it. So yeah. You don't have any problem with YouTube censoring you? I've had lost five channels,

but I just put up another one because they say YouTube is decreasing their censorship. I've heard that. Yeah, they got some people who criticize them for politicians and they said, well, we're all different now. It's like, yeah, I'm kind of still skeptical about that. Yeah, but they're shadow banning everybody.

So they're not taking your, maybe they got sued. They can't take down your channel for those reasons anymore. COVID and Charlie Kirk and 9-11. But they can make sure nobody sees your stuff. Yeah, that works on X for the most part, isn't it? Yeah, but I have seen some of your stuff on X and you've got some excellent things that you, but I would encourage people to follow you on X, on Twitter and on your social media. Yeah, that's Richard Gage.

Yeah, Richard Gage. underscore 911 is our Twitter handle. Good, good. Yeah, well, we've got a couple of minutes left. I don't want to take advantage of all the time that we have with you. Anything else that you want to tell us a little bit about? We talked about the fact that it's going to primarily focus on New York, but you do have some people going to be talking about the other events as well, right?

The other events. Pentagon or 93, yeah. The other 9-11 events. yeah, Barbara Honigur is one that is of the experts on the Pentagon that we had four experts on with widely diverging evidence and theories about what did or didn't hit the Pentagon. And Gail and I had a one of the first things we did when we went independent from 8, 9-11 Truth, was to host this 12-hour conference with two-hour presentations from each of these folks, David Chandler and Wayne Kosti, on one part, who were presenting the evidence that a plane

757 did hit the Pentagon. Barbara Honinger taking the theory and evidence that a plane never hit the Pentagon but was shot down immediately before it did, but 100 yards west of the explosion area in her theory. And then we had Craig McKee and Zander Arena making the case that the plane came in, but that it flew over the Pentagon. And then there were explosions that went off then. So it's fascinating to follow all of these different theories, but I'm sure that, well, there's been quite a bit of disagreement. But all of us agree that Hattie Hanger, the alleged hijacker, could not have flown the plane that did those maneuvers that we described earlier, like a fighter jet.

He failed Sussna flying school. I mean, the things they try to get us to believe are extraordinary. And this, again, almost highly defended building in the world. That's right. I mean, they got surface-to-air missiles. Well, I remember hearing some of the pilots for 9-11 Truth, and one of the guys that they had with them was a guy who had been a flight instructor for that very plane.

And he said, there's absolutely no way that that plane could fly that kind of path that they're telling you that it flew. It's just not capable of it. You know, it would, can't handle that kind of speech. that kind of stress. And it is also kind of interesting. What do they make of the issue that they didn't see the expected engine parts there? We have news reports that came out and the guy says,

it's really strange. Let's see the engine here. Later on, the engine did show up, you know, and some other aircraft parts. But initially when they got there, they weren't there. Yeah, the evidence is extraordinarily weak and manipulated. and they have videos of surely. I mean, the most highly defended building in the world, they have dozens and dozens of videos that they never released.

They only released one from the guard shack with just a few frames with what they say is a plane, which some argue is indeed a plane. But they should show us. It says only one or two frames. I mean, it's not like, you know, typically you have a minimum of like 24 frames per second. They've only got like one or two frames. So it's obviously manipulated, isn't it? Yeah.

Yeah. And we have the same set of questions with regard to Flight 93, where there are witnesses and evidence that a plane was shot down by a fighter jet and that the majority of the debris didn't land in the, the hole in the ground, the smoking crater, but eight miles away. And there's witnesses of a missile with wings that flew low to the ground over a tree

and blew up in the area where the smoking crater ended up being. So we do know that one of those pilots that supposedly intercepted. was sent out to intercept one of those pilots is now the chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, right? Just an interesting career path. One of the Air Force pilots?

Yeah. Yeah, Kane, I think it is. What is the name? Dan Kane? Is that the guy who's a chair? Mr. Kane was a jet fighter pilot? Yeah. Which jet fighter are we talking about, though? The ones who were sent out to intercept 93. Oh, 93, huh? Well, yeah, one of those guys said,

We got an order to shoot it down, and we did. I haven't assembled this evidence, like the Building 7 and Twin Towers evidence. But people are pretty sure about this. We need to do another, Gail and I, another seminar with everybody who has something to say about 93, like we did five years ago for the Pentagon. Yeah, they've created this entire mythology around it, besides all the disinformation, haven't they? It is amazing.

It is full spectrum. And only the U.S. government, I think, could pull off something like this. So that's another indication of an inside job, isn't it? And who benefited from this? It certainly is an amazing story. And one that impacts each and every one of us, even if we didn't have loved ones who died in this. We're all impacted by this. And our entire society has been changed by this.

This is why I call it our modern Reichstag fire. This is far more sophisticated than anything the Nazis pulled off. Yeah, it is. I'm afraid of where it's going. What's the next one going to be? A false flag, a nuclear bomb going off in Los Angeles, blamed on Iran. Yeah.

That seems like what they need to have their – dream come true of nuking Iran, which they've been talking about in the last few days. Maybe I'll just, we didn't get to the lower row here. Richard Grove is on the bottom row here.

He will be speaking at the conference, turning the tide in New York, and he will be exposing the crimes, the financial crimes occurring on and before 9-11.

Oh, yeah, isn't that interesting? Yeah, that is. Nobody investigated that, did they? Well, they... I mean, not in the government. Yeah, other people... They didn't let us know about it. God.

For instance, the Securities and Exchange Commission lost thousands of files related to hundreds of cases they were pursuing on the 12th floor and the 13th floor of Building 7. But because that building went down, all of a sudden WorldCom and... and Enron were stopped. There's a huge financial criminals and crimes that were just stopped. I didn't realize that it impacted the Enron investigation.

That's interesting. Yeah. Well, those were the worst fires in Building 7. Many believe they were set on purpose on the 12th floor for that reason. we have Carol Brulet, Mike Berger, and others who were around before I ever woke up. They were screaming inside job with lots of evidence to support it. And the beginning of the 9-11 Truth Movement with particularly the website 9-11truth.org. And those folks will be coming to share what it was like, you know, in the early.

days after 9-11 when we were trying to go to war, right? The drums, the war, led by the media, were extraordinary. And they, they, so this was not an environment conducive to speaking 9-11 truth. They got shut down, hard, cold, fast. And, but they, they, they persevered, though. but their message did not reach audiences right away. The 9-11 Truth Movement sort of peaked in 2006, 7, 8, 9, where we were being asked to go all over Europe and sponsored by people who cared, activists all around the world. Yeah, because it doesn't just affect America.

You know, this is a global issue. Look at how they have used this. And of course, America's got such a big footprint than when we kick somebody. It's the boot heard around the world, isn't it? I never heard that. I like it. It's true.

Yeah, it's crazy. Just the fact that they've been able to get away with this for 25 years. But the truth will eventually go around the world, as they say, you know, I can go around the world before the truth can get its pants on. And so we have to take this thing one leg at a time. And I thank you so much for your persistence. and all this and your very learned investigation about all this. You put together the real facts here,

and people really need to hear this. I mean, the truth needs to be let out. And so thank you for doing that. I really appreciate it. Again, it is turning the tide that is coming up, and the dates on that are the 10th through the, was it 12th? 13th. 13th, okay, 10th through 13th in New York.

But, of course, people will be able to find this. If they go to Richard Gage, 911.org, you can find out more about the physical conference. You can find out all kinds of resources and how you can stream that there. Thank you so much for joining us, Richard. You're welcome, David. Glad to be here.

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