The David Knight Show - INTERVIEW Sheriff Mack & Constitution Targeted by Leftist Hate Groups

Episode Date: October 19, 2023

The principle of "non-commandeering" has been upheld by SCOTUS, with a key decision coming from a case brought to the Supreme Court and won by Sheriff Mack. So why are leftist hate mongers making a concerted effort to attack Constitutional Sheriffs who stand with the Constitution even if bureaucrats demand they follow orders given under false color of law? Sheriff Richard Mack, CSPOA.org joinsFind out more about the show and where you can watch it at TheDavidKnightShow.comIf you would like to support the show and our family please consider subscribing monthly here: SubscribeStar https://www.subscribestar.com/the-david-knight-showOr you can send a donation throughMail: David Knight POB 994 Kodak, TN 37764Zelle: @[e-mail] App at: $davidknightshowBTC to: bc1qkuec29hkuye4xse9unh7nptvu3y9qmv24vanh7For 10% off Gerald Celente's prescient Trends Journal, go to TrendsJournal.com and enter the code KNIGHTBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-david-knight-show--2653468/support.

all right joining us now is sheriff mac of the constitutional sheriffs and peace officers association c-s-p-o-a it's dot org isn't it sheriff mac c-s-p-o-a dot org okay and um uh he has he's facing a swarm of persecution they've uh you know know, this is a Marxist tactic. You know, they focus, they single out one group or one person, and then they all attack them at the same time.

And that appears to be what is happening with the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association. Thank you for joining us, Sheriff Mack. Tell us a little bit about what is being directed

at you right now. Well, David, thanks. It's great to see you again. We go way back. Oh, yeah. Well, David, thanks. It's great to see you again. We go way back. Oh, yeah. But, yeah, it's living proof that what we're doing is working because they're scared, and they're so scared. They're willing to lie and put out all these lies about us.

They publish all sorts of lies about us, and it's like they're following us around. And literally, there are some that are following us around, and it's kind of the epitome of stalking. But I don't mind them coming to our training seminars. Yeah, let's talk about that first. Let's talk about why they're afraid of you, because they're afraid of the Constitution and they're afraid of constitutional sheriffs, right? Tell us a bit about the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association, and then I think that'll give a lot of people an insight into why the Southern Poverty Law Center and all these other people don't like you. So tell us a bit about the Constitution and sheriffs. It started when I was a sheriff, and I sued the federal government. I

sued the Clinton administration over the overreach of government associated with the Brady Bill. And it was the first time in history where the federal government ordered and mandated and commanded the sheriffs to enforce a federal statute for them. And first of all, they can't tell your sheriff what to do and they know it. But they tried. And then I started this whole movement to say no to them and tell them to shove it and filed a lawsuit. And then six other sheriffs across the country joined me. This was all the sheriffs in the nation were ordered by the Brady Bill, by Congress, by the president, to enforce this so-called law for them. And if we didn't, it came with a threat of arrest.

David, people think I make this up. It said, whoever knowingly fails to comply is subject to a $10,000 fine, a year in prison, or both. I could have gone to prison for a year. So anyway, we got an injunction against the clinton administration from being able to attack me or come near me i i literally had an order of protection so that they couldn't come and arrest me at two o'clock in the morning and and bring their SWAT team you know and and so forth and haul me off with the dog barking or they probably would have shot my dog because they don't like dogs to bark at them and my children crying and my wife going crazy watching me be hauled off and so we did

get an injunction and it's all part of the the record but this this gave birth to the institutional sheriff movement saying we're not just going to sue in it anymore we're going to tell you no if you go outside your line uh your lane of traffic we will tell you no you can't do that there are certain things you cannot do here going to court on every legal issue would be impossible there's not enough time and there's not enough money we just need people in the states we need governors we need state legislatures we need county commissioners, we need governors, we need state legislatures, we need county commissioners, and we need absolutely the bottom line, the sheriff, who stand with the people in his county and tell the federal government and state bureaucracies as well, there's a few things you're not going to do here. And if you want to do something here, you better check with me first. Yes. This is just strictly obeying and following and enforcing the Constitution.

There's nothing violent about it. We've had sheriffs all over the country do this. No one has ever been hurt. No one has ever been threatened with death or anything else like that. It's never happened. The proof is there, but but they're still saying and they get these pundits like mary mccord an idiot from texas she says oh this is all about violence and this is all about uh let's see and this is what nonsense this has never been the case look at what i said and look and look at what i've done yes i went through the peaceful process to get a Supreme Court victory for us. I got it. And now you say we're violent and we should be,

everybody in the nation should be scared of us. Why? You should be scared of communism and tyranny and unilateral government that appoints itself king and dictator and this marxist movement to destroy america is real and we're trying to stop that and the people that are in charge of doing it are getting really mad at us that's right they should be afraid of these uh federal

agents who are extending their tentacles into everything and demanding that people do things and initiating force against people what you're doing is non-commandeering you know that's a principle that's been supported and well that's interesting because this case is called the commandeer case yeah the commandeering case and so yes this is anti-commandeering yes they want to come in and they want to take command and they want to start ordering you to attack people in your area and to make you subordinate to them as a tool of their tyranny. And so we've had courts that have supported you and have supported many other areas of this where there is a non-commandeering. You cannot come in and tell people at the state government level that they have to do what you say. It is a passive thing.

It is a passive resistance. It's like, I'm just not going to do this. I it is a passive thing it is a passive resistance it's like i'm just not going to do this i'm not going to participate in your tyranny it's not like you're coming out there to resist them you're just saying hey i'm not going to help you with this i'm not going to do this right and and it's also about nullification you know i've talked to michael meharry with the 10th amendment center many times and he said you know we look at when we look at this and we look at the non-commandeering laws and we look at the different alternatives that we got to an overreaching federal government, you know, you can just submit to this tyranny. If you get really angry, you say, all right, I want to just secede.

You know, of course, there's a lot of people that are saying that on both the left and the right. But that's going to result in a war and a battle, as we know. But he said the middle path is nullification. I'm just not going to do what you say. And that's not an aggressive thing. That is not, you're not the one who's initiating this force. It's the federal government who's initiating this force, and you're simply not going to go along with it

because of what the Constitution says. And we saw this all in 2020 when we had local sheriffs who said, I'm not going to enforce these laws to tell people they got to wear masks or they got to social distance. You know, that was the peaceful way. There was about 500, over 500 sheriffs that did that nationwide. Yes. And I've told people, I tell people all the time, you know,

look, I don't like Trump. I don't like Biden. I don't like any of these guys, quite frankly, and none of them are going to save you. You spend all your time focused on the race and the and the level of government we have the least leverage and we have the least say so and on the one office where you have the least leverage i said you need to figure out who your local sheriffs are because as we saw through this pandemic it's not a theory the the the people who had it better or who even had

it worse it depended on the sheriff the sheriff could make it much worse than the feds and the state even wanted or they could stand in the gap and say well you're not going to enforce that i'm not going to enforce that for you i'm not going to do that we just saw that in new mexico with governor grisham's orders yeah and you had the democrats who stood up to her. And the sheriff and the chief of police and the AG standing against her. And they were all Democrats. And they were all Democrats. They're all liberal Democrats. And so we're not going to enforce that law.

And it ended it. You know? And she, everybody, whether the courts or whether it was the local district attorney or the chief of police or the sheriff of the county, everybody said, we're not going to enforce that law. They stopped it. Yeah. And was anything violent about that?

No. They just refused to participate and said, she's out to lunch. Yeah. She's not following the constitution. The sheriff said, Sheriff Allen, said, this is impossible to enforce. And I'll tell you why. Because it's unconstitutional. That's why we can't enforce it it used to be her

that she wanted them to use violence against other people and be unconstitutional unlawful thugs and they said no we're going to follow the constitution that's what your whole organization is about yeah yeah and and you know really uh the secession thing uh i think it's one of the solutions but i i don't advocate for that. But I will tell you this. I believe there's three solutions left. Three. And they're all very bold. But yesterday, I saw on MSN that the Democrats are now suggesting that we have two countries in America.

And I'm getting where i agree with that yeah because we're going to succumb to all of this tyranny in washington dc and with the marxists and democrats that are going marxist and socialists and extremism extremism on the left is going to destroy the rest of us yeah and so they actually marked up a map that showed which which states should stay as a liberal america or socialist america and then the others that are conservative america i actually agree that that's one of the solutions for us if we're going to survive i saw the other one that i said before you go into the second one let me talk about that because the very first guest that i had on my show my very very first program back in August of 2017, they were very upset.

You know, it had only been a few months since Trump had taken office, took office in January 2021. So here it is in August. And I was aware that there were a lot of people in California who were putting together a movement to secede because they didn't like Trump. And so i got a hold of them and my first guest was somebody from a leftist group in california who wanted to secede and i my statement to her was what can i do to help you yeah i would like for you to be exactly because we've seen this over and over again if you look at the scandinavian country yes they've come together and split apart in various combinations without a war many times.

You're absolutely correct. Send California and Oregon and Washington and Illinois and a few others, obviously, send them. Yes. Go. New York, especially. New Jersey. Send them to their own country and let them implode on themselves but now they keep trying to take us all with them yeah and and that's so the other solution is that we all moved to the same

three or four states all of us and and we would have to decide and you know what patriots won't do that even the elderly who are retired who could do it still won't do it. And it's a matter of survival that we try to do that, and we can't. And so, you know, New Hampshire was trying that back about 10 years ago with the first state project. And they said, everybody should move here. We're going to make ourselves a completely constitutional state. And obviously that didn't work. I'm telling you, we have to live in the same place. We have to have two different countries divided, or we have the states and the counties and the

sheriffs stand against this and stop this tyranny from taking over our entire country and ruining our Constitution and our constitutional republic. That's right. Otherwise, our survival is in real dire straits. And I believe that the easiest one in all of that is what I've been doing the last 15 years, trying to get sheriffs to simply take a stand and enforce and defend the Constitution. And they've already promised in God's name in their oath that that is what they would do but still some of them are so shy about doing that yeah i don't know why and that's kind of the nullification option you know we're saying

we're not going to participate in this we're going to be commandeered in this i agree i think that is the best of these things as i was saying saying, you know, you had the Scandinavian nations have joined and split apart and joined in various combinations. They never had a war. But in America, because of our history of secession and in so many other areas, and of course we know that, you know, our government would come against states that do that. As you pointed out, the Free State Project in New Hampshire, um they you know they uh were not able to get enough people to move there uh you know we we we were in the situation we were in austin a socialist place it's like a you know california island in the middle of texas and it wasn't even really much better during the pandemic i was completely fed up with a republican-led government that was

in the community that where we were there just outside of Austin. And it's like, well, I don't see the sheriff standing up for anybody and doing anything. And so it's like, you know, we got to get out of this place. And I, you know, we traveled through Tennessee here and we saw that everybody was really relaxed about the masks and all that kind of stuff in early 2020. And so, you know, we came here and, you know, Sheriff Mack,

in terms of all this pistol brace stuff, for example, I talked to a state legislator here, state senator nicely. And I talked to him about this pistol brace stuff. He said, we've already taken care of that. We passed a law saying that you can't force us to that. If you've got a law at the federal level that contradicts our state law, we're not going to enforce that you can't force us to do that and then he said and then we put in a state law saying the pistol braces are uh legal and so it's like it's that type of thing you have to have state and local legislators and people i mean you're gonna have those dangerous pistol braces you're gonna have those horrible pistol braces oh my it's a way to. It's a way to hold a gun a little better, especially for somebody who's handicapped.

Yeah. That's it. Or disabled vet. It doesn't make the gun shoot faster. That's right. Yeah, or disabled vet or something. It's such nonsense. It is.

And I think you really touched on a point, though, with your nullification. We have always had, since the beginning of our country, nullification, especially when you consider jury nullification. And that's we the people. We the people are in charge of every criminal case and most civil cases as well. That's done by we the people. And we have the power to nullify everything that goes to court that this government's doing, except Trump was not allowed a jury trial in New York because it was just monetary. And I don't know why. The Seventh Amendment says in common law cases that exceed 20,

the value of the controversy is over $ a jury shall be enjoyed shall be guaranteed yeah and yet here's trump no jury he requested a jury and the it was denied him and of course new york state so yes that just shows again they're anti-constitution and and dividing the country we're already divided oh yeah, we're divided over Trump. We are extremely divided. Yeah, so let's make it permanent. Let's make it official. Yeah, jury nullification is very important.

And, of course, we've had situations for a long time where judges will lie to juries and tell them exactly the opposite. One of the guys. That's part of the problem. Yeah, one thing I think that's interesting is even on the you know before we had a lot of states that would legalize marijuana uh one of the guys i interviewed was a new jersey weed man and uh they got him and they were going to because he had enough uh marijuana they were going to charge him as a dealer and he looked at and he said you know i think that i can get a jury to nullify this because

most people think it ought to be legal here in new jersey and so he represented himself because he couldn't get a lawyer who would argue for jury nullification they're afraid of that and afraid of the judges and so it was in actually the new jersey state constitution that said that juries are there to judge the law not just the facts of the case but to judge the law and what the penalties will be and so he showed he put that printed up on a card and he put it up on his desk and showed it to the jury and the judge says take that down right now and he said well it was too late they'd already seen it and i'd already said it he said disregard what he just said but he he got uh seven people to vote to acquit him and five people disregard the law yeah exactly disregard the law that's a judge's lie about that

all the time. And so they came after him a second time. And he got a different judge, and he did the same thing. And that judge let that stay up there, and he got a 12 to 0 acquittal. And so that's the power of jury nullification. Yeah, good for him. And that's the power of jury nullification. They don't want you to have it.

Part of that is to overcharge people and get you to plea bargain with it, because it's like well hey if i lose look i'm going to go to jail for life type of thing but you know it's also when you talk about nullification sheriff mac uh i have a guest that's been on several times his name is matt trojala and he's got a book called the doctrine of the lesser magistrate it's a very thin book he's handed this out to police officers and sheriffs and stuff and and really changed their mind. It's such a powerful book. You should sell it at your conventions if you don't already. It's an excellent book. I probably should. I have read it, but I have several books already, and my County Sheriff America's Last Hope book, I think, is equal to his. Everybody needs to read

that book, The County Sheriff America's Last Hope. It's on our website, cspoa.org. Everybody should get that. And The Proper Role of Law Enforcement, probably another. And everybody should have this tiny little pocket-sized booklet. This is the Victory for State Sovereignty. It's really small. When you see it on our website, it looks real big, but it's just because of the picture. We're on split screen here, so move it a little bit to your uh let's see yeah that's good right there yeah right

there yeah that's good okay tell us about it this is this is simply it has the state flags on all of it and this is simply a reader's digest review of my supreme court case and it's the most powerful ruling in the history of our country that says nullification is fine. States have the authority to be doing this. The federal government does not have carte blanche authority. They are very limited. It says the federal government was only granted discrete enumerated powers. And then he says, and that is rendered express by the assertion of the 10th amendment the 10th amendment must be asserted and who's going to do that the states must enforce

the 10th amendment and this decision makes that very clear everyone in america should have this book in their pocket and be ready to hand it to somebody else. It's the most freedom enhancing decision, probably in the last 100 years in America. Oh, I agree. Folks, you need to see that decision. Look it up. MACBUS, Prince and I, Sheriff Prince and I, we're the ones that are on that. His name's on it as well. P-R-I-N-T-Z for Montana. So the MAC Prince case is something that every single one of you should be totally familiar with so that we can start nullifying more

and protecting our God-given liberties. And that's all this is about. That's right. That's very important. And you know, when you go back and we look at the Dobbs case that overturned Roe v. Wade, I was saying for the longest time, and that's what your case said, was that, you know, the federal government can't do this unless they've got the power to do it. And so they shut that down and kicked it back to the states. And I said, that's great. I was saying that all along. I said, you know, we had Roe v. Wade and that was a case that came out of Texas. I said, the response from Texas should have been, well, the Supreme Court's made their decision. Let's see them enforce it, which is what Andrew Jackson said when they disagreed with what he was doing with the Trail of Tears, which was a bad policy.

You know, they reversed themselves within one year. It was a bad policy what he was doing, but he had the authority to do it. And so, you know, when they changed their mind within one year and said, no, first they said you can do it. Then they said you can't do it. And he said, well, you made your decision. I want to see you enforce it. And so that's the key thing, it's the enforcement aspect of it. And I said, you know, we should have a long time ago, before we lost over 60 million babies, we should have had the states

stand up and say the same thing. You don't have the authority to make a decision about when life begins. And yet we've got politicians now who've decided they want to try to re-federalize this thing. It's very important that people understand the 10th amendment and that case that you had is a landmark decision about the 10th amendment. Very important. Very important. Yeah, it is. And we need to understand the whole situation there. The sheriffs are the only elected law enforcement authority anywhere in the United States and every state. They are the only elected law enforcement authority anywhere in the united states in every state they

are the only elected that that in itself is where they get their power because the people bestow all power and he reports directly and only to the people and that's why this can happen we have we've had uh hundreds of sheriffs doing this right now we need a thousand sheriffs doing this. Right now, we need a thousand sheriffs doing this. That means we need about 700 more. And folks, you can help. You've got to have, one, you've got to be a member with us and be a member of the CSPOA and then work with your sheriff to become a constitutional sheriff and erect these barriers with you. He can't do it without you. He needs you. You're part of this. You're his supervisor. You're his boss. So there must be a cohesive cooperation and relationship between we the people, the people of his county, and the sheriff. If you don't get that

relationship, you're not going to be able to pull this off. And it's the simplest solution for what's going on in America. He can, and we can erect those barriers against the encroachments of the federal government. I agree. And what you're saying is if people can become, you don't have to be a law enforcement officer to become part of the CSPOA. Everybody can join join it's our people's posse csp away posse so it's on there it's only 11 a month become a member be a part of this help finance this amazing movement that really is a peaceful and effective solution and quite frankly it's the only peaceful and effective solution left except for us moving to those places. I said,

or we become two different countries. We already are divided. We might as well make it official. I agree. Yeah. But it's important for people with you. It's important for people to stand with the sheriff. Everybody's seen the movie high noon with Gary Cooper where,

you know, they leave him tall. Yeah. They leave him to the, to the wolves coming and leave him by himself. You know, you can't leave these guys out there either by themselves. You can join together with us and encourage them to do the right thing. Stand with them when they do the right thing.

And that's the only way this is going to happen. And I agree. I actually mentioned Gary Cooper's High Noon in one of my books. I believe it's in the County Sheriff of America's Last Hope. Good. Yeah, that's a great movie and great example of what this is all really about uh we have to stand collect you know we i when i interviewed gerald griffin one of the things he said stuck with me he said we have to stand collectively for individual freedom that's something difficult for people who are so focused

on individual freedom we don't like collectivism. We don't like groups. We don't like belonging to clubs and all this other kind of stuff. But we've got to do it. When it comes to freedom, we love it. Yeah. But to have our freedom, we've got to act collectively. And that's something that's difficult for us to grasp as we focus so much on the individual. We have to come together. Now that we've reiterated what we do, CSPOA, folks, is there any question as to why the Southern Poverty Law Center is going after us with a vengeance?

Lying, lying, and lying about Sam Bushman and me. Sam Bushman does his constitutional thing on his Liberty Roundtable radio show, and he's the CEO of CSPOA. And we've needed so much help, and I'm so busy with my wife doing my schedule. I just got back from a 12-day tour in Minnesota and South Dakota, and there are sheriffs raring to go, especially in South Dakota, and they're defending this Jared Bosley who doesn't want his land dug up by the carbon solutions people and companies. And he's not going to cooperate with them. And they're going to have to go around his property because he doesn't want.

Well, tell us about that case. So what is going on with this? What are they trying to do? Well, they're trying. It's just like fracking they want to go on these people's property and and start digging and go put a underground uh tunnel uh through their property which obviously to dig all that and go under their property uh and these property owners say we're farmers we don't want to be we want to be left alone leave us alone we're not cooperating you're you're not a government entity i don't have to be, we want to be left alone. Leave us alone. We're not cooperating. You're, you're not a government entity.

I don't have to do eminent domain with you. You're a private business. And these guys are trying to do something for the environment, which is probably bogus anyway. But they're trying to do carbon. Sequestering. Is it sequestering a carbon? They're trying to bury it in the ground or something. Is that it?

Because that's one of them. Or transport it. So I carbon they're trying to bury it in the ground or something is that it um because that's one or transport it so i thought they were trying to transport it somewhere but yeah probably transporting somewhere where they pump it into the ground that's another crazy thing it's like cutting down trees and burying trees and everything it's absolutely insane but you know i've seen this from the other side that sheriff mac you know i support uh the use of uh functional fuels i call them, instead of fossil fuels. But, you know, my objection to the pipelines was the fact that they were coming in and that they gave eminent domain to corporations. In the case of the pipeline, the XL pipeline, they gave eminent domain to a foreign corporation out of Canada. And then they were stealing the farms and rendering large areas of them useless, places that people have been there for over a century. So it's a difference between, you know, regardless of how this is going to be used, whether it's

going to be used for some kind of a crazy climate fantasy or if it's going to be used for real fuel, we can't give eminent domain to these corporations. It began with a Kelo versus London and Connecticut, and the Supreme Court made the wrong decision there. And now, after, you know, saying, well, we can take private land, not for public use, but for a corporation's use, now they're just turning it over to let the corporations start to take that land without any other reason, and even foreign corporations.

So that has to be resisted. So the federal government is trying to enforce this. Is that what is happening with the shares? No, the local government is is and i'm sure the federal government's going to get involved uh the company has been offering uh the county uh thousands and thousands tens of thousands of dollars if they'll just help them so bribery is now coming into it uh but this farmer jared bossley i spent some time with him i actually got on his combine and we were harvesting i i went with him to harvest soybeans and i was amazed about the technology and the work

that he and his son did together uh and this family just simply wants to be left alone and they have that right yeah i don't care what his reason is that's right i don't care what his reason is. I don't care. It's his castle. He owns it. And he does it with his family. And he wants to be left alone. So I'm going to tell you right now. Carbon solutions. What is it?

Summit carbon solutions. You have to leave him alone. And you have to go around. That's America. And the judge who ordered. That they allow them to come in and survey their land was way out of line because this guy said no. And the sheriff there is not going to cooperate with us anymore. And, you know, I told him, I said, well, you know, let's make the best of the of the order there i said but the next time uh you and the judge are going to have to set you're going to have to set the judge

straight this is his property and there is no legal reason that he should be required by law or by the judge not but not by law by an incorrect order from the court, that he has to cooperate with this private business. He does not. He does not. And so, this is what we've been working on, folks, and we're doing this nationwide. And the sheriff, the constitutional sheriff, is the peaceful, effective solution to all of this. Folks, get involved in this. Come on board with us. Join us in this holy cause. And so, of course, now we're, because we're doing, we're making headway, IREHR, Human Rights Group, something or other, with liar Devin Burkhart. He sent emails to all the sheriffs in Minnesota telling them to stay away from me

That I was dangerous and that I'm a racist And I'm anti-Semitic I've never been anti-Semitic in my life I don't even know What anti-Semitism is I didn't grow up with it at all My freshman class teacher Mrs. Greenbaum

Was my favorite teacher I didn't know Greenbaum was a Jewish name. I didn't care what name. I didn't care. And no one else did. And Jeannie Bellman, she was a Jew. Okay, so we had different religious beliefs. So I like Eddie Cain, and he was Catholic.

I like Jeannie, she was Jew. She was Jewish. I like Willie and Leroy, and they had a different church to go to, and I went to one of their churches once. It was an amazing, amazing piece of Americana. And so now my mom brought us up to accept all people and to be kind to everyone. It didn't matter what color you were or who your daddy was or what your religion was. And my mom trained us to do that. And now they're bad-mouthing my mother, saying what a horrible lady she was.

And they haven't brought her name up or her position up. But they're saying that I am a racist. That means my mom was okay with that. And I'm telling you, folks, she raised us just the opposite. My DNA is just the opposite. And these people do not care. They're liars. Anti-Defamation League has defamed me over and over that I'm racist and anti-Semitic.

So I tried to call. I saw Jonathan Greenblatt on Fox News, and he was talking about all of this stuff going on between Hamas and Israel. I really was impressed with him, so I left word at Anti-Defamation League that I would like to talk to him because his people have defamed me and sorely mistreated me and mischaracterized me. And so far I've gotten nothing back except they acknowledged that they got my email. So I guess that's what they're supposed to do beforehand. I think Musk,

I think Musk nailed him. I think he said, you just take off the ante there. You're just the defamation league. And they will defame people by calling, you know, we've seen this from the left and unfortunately there are really racist people out there,

but they give them a pass because they call everybody racist. That's just their first line of attack. And I've been called racist. Rolling Stone just hit us, too. Rolling Stone. Him, Davison, and his boss, we're in touch with them. You know what Rolling Stone has done, David? What's that?

They defended Ice-T, who did Killer Cop rep. And it went viral. And people got mad at him. And Rolling Stone defended him and said he was a great person. Wow. And now we're being lied about and they're coming after us.

Wow. Because of what? And yes, you know what? There are books out there about Martin Luther King that say he's a real horrible person. Some people bring those up. I don't. Okay? But this is the thing.

The FBI did illegal monitoring and wiretapping on Martin Luther King. Why aren't we bringing that up and saying all this illegal stuff that was brought out by him and even tried to commit extortion against him and blackmail, that they were going to give all his sexual exploits that they had on him to his wife. And so I'm against all of that. Yes. And I quote Martinuther king in my presentation and martin luther king was arrested over 30 times and never committed a crime

never committed a crime and yet we don't we don't want to learn from that and rosa parks was arrested for not giving her seat to a white man in america she was arrested for that yeah and we preach against that we show a movie clip about Rosa Parks getting arrested. We say, what would a constitutional sheriff do in that situation? Or what would you do now if it's an Amish farmer who's being abused by the FDA or USDA? Why do we allow the government to arrest them? And like the federal government's in charge of every ranch and farm in this entire country. Are you kidding? They have no authority to be doing that. And so we're trying to create

peace and have people left alone of all races and Anti-Defamation League and Rolling Stone and SPLC and IRHR and all these others. And Jessica Pishko, a private author or journalist, is going after us. Oh, she even said, she's gone to so many of my seminars. She's like, follows me around the country. She's been to so many of them, she can't help but tell a little bit of the truth. She said this, Sheriff Mac cloaks himself in respectability, but it's dangerous. Some people say, when she's the one who's saying it, yeah, that's the typical thing that they do.

You know, it's interesting. You go back to look at the Southern Poverty Law Center. You were talking about Martin Luther King. The history of the Southern Poverty Law Center, Morris Deese only was involved in the civil rights movement in order to defend the Ku Klux Klan that beat the Birmingham marchers and set their buses on fire. And he made what was equivalent to the median family income defending the Ku Klux Klan. And then he got out of law for about a decade and he started running a mail order business.

And then he got back into the politics side of things. And when he said, I'll give you my mail, a mail order list, a mailing list names to the Carter administration. If I'll, I'll do this for free for you. If you'll give me your mailing list is what it was. And so they did that. And so he got the mailing list Democrats. And then he became this crusader against the Ku Klux Klan and against all racism and all the rest of this stuff when he set out the entire civil rights movement except to defend the Ku Klux Klan. And he founded SPLC.

Yeah, that's right. He was the founder of SPLC. And even liberals talk about what a grifting organization it is and how they've got hundreds of millions of dollars in offshore bank accounts and all the rest of the stuff and how they spend very little of their money on their stated causes. But I've been attacked by that. They attack everybody that they disagree with politically. And I'm glad that, you know,

let me, let me ask you a question. Have you ever voted for a grand pooh paw of the KKK? Have you ever voted for a person? Okay. I have it? No. I haven't. No, yeah, that's right.

Have you ever spoken at a funeral for a KKK leader? No. I haven't. No? Well, Joe Biden has. Yeah. And Joe Biden was really buddy-buddy with Robert Byrd. Yeah, Robert Byrd.

And the Democrat Party supported Robert Byrd. Yeah. And the Democrat Party has a long and sordid history of racism but i don't but now they're trying to create one for me but they ignore robert bird and joe biden's huge friendship and joe biden admitted that they were close personal friends and he spoke at his funeral yes i i deplore all of that and hillary yet and all them you know all the all the democrats all the big democrats all the big lefty democrats loved robert bird and uh they had absolutely no problem with what he did but you know they throw that out it

is a false accusation i think you know they came after me and there's no question he was part of the kkk and and he was a high higher uh ranking uh officer in the hierarchy oh yeah no i'm not saying that's a false i'm not saying that's all i'm saying that what they do is they make false accusations about everybody else in terms of racism they showed their hand when they um started doing hit pieces in um march of 2020 in the first part of April, I was singled out by these people, the same people attacking you, because I said it was medical martial law. Now, there's nothing racist about that, right? But these people who say they're all about racism and hate, what's the hate in that? I do hate martial law.

And I hate wearing a mask, and so now that makes me what? That makes me a mask hater, and I guess I'm racist against masks. I don't know. It gets really stupid. But they've shown their hands. They've shown the fact that what they're doing is they're giving cover to real racists, as you point out. Real racists, they speak at his funeral, and they applaud him and all the rest of the stuff. But they also give a free pass to people because they keep crying wolf about this thing yeah and kill cops

and the killer cops they don't care they're fine with that and look at the horrible things that have done and now Sam and I are getting very very serious uh death threats uh and Sam just got a real horrible one and yet no one cares and yet the SPLC has created such hate environments that these hate groups that are supported by the SPLC

attacked and killed a security guard at the Family Research Center in Washington D.C. They also attacked the republican congressman while they're playing baseball yeah uh and and they nearly killed uh scalise they shot him and they were shooting it up and and all of that was promoted by splc hate yes uh and so these hate groups that they this is really ironic and and almost comical that these hate groups, this is really ironic and almost comical that these hate groups, IRHR and Anti-Defamation League and SPLC, of course, especially them, CNN, Washington Post,

these groups have all been liars, hate groups. And I want to say one of them, Sarah Sidner, interviewed me and lied and lied and lied about me. And that's astonishing that they get to get away with all of this. And so we challenge them to honest, open debates. We've challenged all these groups to honest, open debates. Let's do it on your show. Let's do it on, let's do it. How about this? We do it in Washington, D.C. at the Press Club.

Okay. Sorry, i had my phone on and and so we're we're we're one we're one honest open debates will any of them accept that david have any of them said yes let's go for it yeah no that because they know their lies will not stand up to public scrutiny, to honest public scrutiny. And another one that went after us is the Walter Cronkite School of Journalism. There's something in there, too, that is Howard. And this is at Arizona State University where I live, where I pay taxes to. And they did a story on us the same thing, all about this. And where I quote Martin Luther King, they don't give him credit.

They try to give it to me that I believe that we should all enforce, quote, unjust laws. And does anybody think that law enforcement should be enforcing unjust laws? And we bring that up because Martin Luther King said that we should disobey all unjust laws. What I bring up is, who gets to decide what's unjust? Well, it's every peace officer. It's everyone who's taken an oath. It's anyone and everyone in government that says, this is what the Constitution says, and this is the tyranny that's going on. I'm going to side with the Constitution. And that's what we're required by law to do.

The Supreme Law, the rule of law, is all about protecting individual liberty, that to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men. That is our job as a patrol officer, as a detective, as a sheriff, as a chief of police, as a county commissioner, as a mayor, governor. That is our job. And that's a juror.

As a juror. Yeah, and as a juror also. That's a key thing. We're all supposed to stand against unjust laws. And you point out civil disobedience was the key of what Martin Luther King was doing, key to what Gandhi did and so forth. The fact that it's a passive approach. They didn't get violent. Gandhi didn't get violent.

Martin Luther King didn't get violent. And the sheriffs who are going to stand there and nullify these uh these uh disobeyed the sheriff arrested martin luther king and we go through that history so no we don't do that today yeah and who's doing it today well we went after catholics because whoever made some stupid stuff up about them we go after amish farmers the most peaceful people on the face of the planet, but we arrest them anyway, and we destroy their farms anyway because we're the federal government, and they have to do what we say.

And this is how dictatorial and Marxist it has become and hateful, and yet then these other groups, these hate watch groups, all join in on the hate. That's right. Yeah, just following orders, you know. And when you talk about the death threats that you're getting and Sam is getting, and the government doesn't care anything about that, we've seen this as well with pro-life organizations.

You know, they can go in and they can, you know, destroy the property. They can set fires and vandalize the property. They can threaten people's lives. And the federal government will do nothing at all. But, you know, if you stand outside and you silently protest, they'll come in and arrest you and maybe send you to jail for many, many years under the FACE Act. It is just our law enforcement has just gotten so one-sided coming from the federal government. Their approach to all this has become so politicized in terms of what they will prosecute

and what they will not prosecute. And again, you're going to be standing there without any assistance or support from the FBI or any of these people. If people are making death threats against you, they frankly don't care. They probably encourage it. Yeah, it's really sad that it is. And of course, SPLC, because of some of the things you've mentioned, they have lost so much credibility. They're still trying to get it back. They're trying to be relevant again. But 20 attorney generals across the country wrote and signed a letter

saying that SPLC has no credibility left. When you get 20 AGs united in that, you pretty much know they got something. And the FBI used to use them in their training they don't use them anymore and the things that the sblc puts out is so ridiculous when i was a school teacher i got a intel magazine that came out to all the schools in the country and on the front page it was all about uh the uh prejudice of it's really stupid. Honest folks, I didn't make this up.

Female monthly menstruation. Yes. Menstruation was now an article on the front page of the SPLC Intel report that went out to all the schools, because I was teaching school at the time. This happened just five years ago, and I'd love to get another copy of that.

And they were saying that was all about hate? They said that's hate? It was all about kind of a hate and prejudice towards female students who have menstruation. They're monthly. And this is, and exactly. And we're supposed to take this organization seriously? And so I guess they couldn't find enough to blame all the racists about,

and so they came up with a new thing about how girls are mistreated or whatever uh because they have menstruation uh you know I think that's been around quite a while and I think you know we've learned how to deal with that and I think women know how to deal with that so thank you very much splc for uh bringing that up to us but uh it was so asinine and ridiculous i read it i i literally read it to my female uh principal and i said you got to see this that came to the school you know because i saw it come to the school and i said here i picked it up and they they were flabbergasted uh as what in the world is this group and i said i've had to deal with them for quite a while well

i did a report about a decade ago on the splc and i called it prophets of hate you know they prophesy about they see hate everywhere right but it's really all about the pro fits that's how they make their money they make their money by pointing the finger at everybody and i told the reporter this just a few weeks ago your splc wants to use me to scare all the donors into donating more money, and they have lots of money. That's right. This group has hundreds of millions of dollars. And so with that comes this power that they can put this stuff out everywhere worldwide that Sam and I are dangerous, you're dangerous. And all that we want is for people to obey the rule of law

and the constitution well i'm sorry it's happening to you that's uh considered dangerous i i'm sorry it's happening to you and again uh folks don't uh let uh sheriff mack stand out there alone like gary cooper in high noon you know that's that's the key thing uh and or your sheriff in your area as well uh we've seen this type of thing as a solinsky tactic we go after one person at a time we isolate them and focus everything on them and so right now they're focusing everything on you but um uh stand tall we really do appreciate what you do at cspoa.org thank you so much for joining us sheriff mac thank you david it's been a pleasure thanks so much thank you and uh yeah keep. Thank you. David, it's been a pleasure. Thanks so much.

Thank you. And yeah, keep fighting them. You've got the righteous fight that is happening there. We'll be right back, folks. Stay with us. Decoding the mainstream propaganda. It's the David Knight Show.