The David Knight Show - INTERVIEW: Success Stories Defying Tyranny

Episode Date: October 5, 2022

Matt Trewhella, DefyTyrants.com and author of "The Doctrine of the Lesser Magistrate", joins with many recent success stories about lesser magistrates and "we the people" exercising our duty to stand up to illegal orders — and WINNINGFind out more about the show and where you can watch it at TheDavidKnightShow.comIf you would like to support the show and our family please consider subscribing monthly here: SubscribeStar https://www.subscribestar.com/the-david-knight-show Or you can send a donation throughZelle: @[e-mail] App at:  $davidknightshowBTC to:  bc1qkuec29hkuye4xse9unh7nptvu3y9qmv24vanh7Mail: David Knight POB 994 Kodak, TN 37764Money is only what YOU hold: Go to DavidKnight.gold for great deals on physical gold/silverBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-david-knight-show--2653468/support.

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Main market excluding specials and place bets. Terms apply. Bet responsibly. 18plusgamblingcare.ie. I'm always happy to have Matt on. He's written, I think, one of the best books about what our duty is in terms of opposing tyrants. And also, you know, what is our duty as a Christian? Do we just obey everything that they

tell us? No, no, we don't. That's not what Romans 13 is about. And so he draws the line very effectively. It is packed with information in a very small book. It's the doctrine of the lesser magistrate. And Matt, thank you for joining us. where can people go to get that directly from you so they don't have to give money to jeff bezos yeah that sounds great they can go to defy tyrants.com then it's that simple defy tyrants.com good and we will add a couple things that jeff wouldn't give you when you order directly from us good good okay so that's that's even it's a win-win situation they get more than if they bought it from amazon and you get more than if Amazon had sold it for you. So that's a good, good thing. Defy tyrants.com. Uh, let's, let's talk a little bit about, uh, some good news, uh, because, uh, uh, we don't have enough good news lately. So there's been some good news about people, uh, standing up for the rule of law against the authorities that are there. But you had a conference over the weekend, didn't you? Tell us a little bit about that.

Yeah, we had a conference in Pennsylvania that I was asked to speak at. I had two awesome topics. I can't wait till they post my lectures on that. One was the role of the magistrates in preserving liberty, and the other was the role of the people in preserving liberty. That's right. Yeah, they both have a role. That's great. Yeah. Absolutely. And there was a brother there named Allen Cohen. He's a Lieutenant Colonel in the Air Force. And they are after him hard to get rid of him. As you know,

and as you were speaking about, the people in our military have been treated maliciously by our government. And sadly, the vast majority have capitulated, David. And the men who are standing strong and women are a very small number of people. And this Lieutenant Colonel is one of them. And of course, he's not a little guy who they've been just getting rid of them who won't comply with this. He's way up there. And so they're having a hard time. And you know, men like him, David, are so rare in this culture. And so everybody looks out for themselves and their pension and their career. And so that's how evil is able to proliferate because everybody puts those things before stopping the evil.

He's one of those rare men who's been acting against it for the last year and a half now. That's great to hear. You know, we had a victory with some Navy SEALs were the ones who began it. And, you know, these are people who have invested so much time on, and of course, the taxpayers, the military have invested a lot of in their training, but they've gone through very difficult things and it'd be very easy for them to capitulate. And of course, the taxpayers, the military have invested a lot in their training, but they've gone through very difficult things. And it'd be very easy for them to capitulate. And yet it's these types of people, like the officer you're talking about and the Navy SEALs who stand up for this and many, many others who have invested their entire career in this. And yet they're not going to sell out their principles for money standing up to this. And these are exactly the types of people, people who have principles and that stand by their principles and that are Christians and have religious objections to this.

Those are the very people that they want out. You know, this officer I was just talking about, she was saying this is a deliberate takedown of our military from within. And what they're trying to do is they're trying to get rid of anybody that they can't buy because, you know, that's, that's what this is really about. Can they buy off your principles? Can they, can they buy your body? Can they buy your soul? And that's what all these mandates were ultimately about.

And those are the only people that they want to have left in. And so they're trying to purge out the people who won't sell out their body and their soul to these people. Yeah. And they did a purging back 10 years ago with the whole don't ask, don't tell and everything. That one I'm there. Pardon me. And now they're doing the same thing with the shot.

And they're taking the best of people and getting rid of them. Let me tell you, David, there were numerous people in the congregation where I pastor who lost their jobs for refusing to get the shot in many different professions. And I would call their bosses up. I would tell them, I'm willing to call your boss up. So I'd call these bosses up. And of course, it was probably the oddest conversation they've ever thought of in their life of pastors calling me up. And I would try to interpose you know for the people in my congregation I mean what they're doing is odd I mean it's odd that you would have

to have this conversation with them it's like you're their employer and you're demanding that they take an experimental genetic code injection what's the matter with you insane right yeah here's what I found talking to them every one of them these bosses would talk about how him or her, whichever the case would be, were one of the best, if not the best employee they had. And then I would point out, and you understand why that is, it's because they know Christ. They do their work as unto him. They understand their role, their duty, their function as good men or good women. And it's because of their Christian faith, the very thing you're going to get rid of them for, because they don't go along with the shot.

And there would always be this long silence on the other end when I made that point. So this is exactly what's happening to our military is they're taking out the best men and removing, getting rid of them, the best women, getting rid of them so they can build what? Some little private army that'll act like mere robots and do everything they want and tyrannizing the American people. That's what it seems like it's headed for. Well, they really are going to build an army of literal robots that are going to make their own kill decisions.

And they don't want military who would stand up to that, right? Yeah. That's exactly what they want. Cyborgs, they want super soldiers. I mean, the documents that are in there, DARPA, they've been working on this for years. And then they want to have the autonomous killer robots, drone swarms, and all the rest of this stuff. They don't want to have people who have principle who know how to fight

against this type of thing that's what it's really about but you know when you made that comment about you know yeah this is our best employee and it's like you know why because they're working uh as unto god they know that god is watching them and that's what you know so they're not going to cut corners when you're not watching you know and that's the whole thing i see that people freak out about well we don't want somebody who talks about their religious beliefs in office. Well, why not? You know, because I would rather have somebody who is, who understands that they're going to stand before God and be accountable to him for what they do, rather than somebody who thinks that they are God, because that's the tool of choices that you've got. Either you think that you're working, what you're doing is going to be answerable to

God, or you think you don't have to be accountable to anybody. And then the more power and the higher position you get, the worse you become. It corrupts people. Absolutely. That's well said. And a great point. I'm going to add that to my repertoire. Good, good. Yeah. Yeah. We need to have, uh, we need to got, you gotta have people

who, who see the big picture and, and, uh, you know, that is, uh, otherwise they're going to be always, you know, if you don't have character, you're always, well, nobody's looking, I'll do this. You know, that's, that's what it turns into. Absolutely. I, I worked plenty of jobs. I saw plenty of people steal plenty of things and they didn't care. They felt entitled to it because they weren't being paid enough or some nonsense like that. Christian people are wholly different. So what's going on with this officer who spoke at the conference? Well, what's going on with him is they've been pressuring him to get the shot he's refused to get the shot and he did a boatload of investigation

into um the legality of doing what they're doing and overwhelmingly both case law but um military law and civil law totally denounce all what they're doing to the men in the military. And he's brought this up and pointed this out, even with the guys above him, the three stars and all them. And, yeah, they all went along to get along. Yeah, there was a case in the Navy where he had religious objections to it, but he decided that he would go with the legal objections and the fact that the FDA and Pfizer and Moderna were playing footsie with each other, as I just which gives us a special kind of legal immunity for any harm that we do to people because the 2005 Prep Act. And so they've been playing that game. And one guy in the Navy pointed that out and he had a board of three officers who were hearing his case and they unanimously decided for him.

And so that is a clear-cut thing but what we're seeing now matt is just the amazing corruption within the military the amazing corruption of uh the fda and all these people and the and the administration itself when biden knows that the pandemic is over but they're still going to purge people out of the military they know what is happening in terms of these experimental drugs, and they don't care. They keep it going. They keep pushing it to children, to pregnant women, and to everybody, even though they can see what is happening with all this. The corruption is just unbelievable at this point. Oh, pure evil. Absolutely. When his talk comes out, when they publish his talk um i'll make sure i send

a link over to you on it david okay i thought his talk was probably the most powerful talk they did him um ted talk style for all the other ones they had me do these two long lectures and then the rest of the men or women who spoke they were all ted talk styles they were 18 minutes or less um his talk is phenomenal and of course i don't know if he can be interviewed you know they put limits on these guys yeah when the military but at least you'll be able to know who he is what his story is able to contact him and see if he can come on it was gripping i would love to have him on yeah i absolutely would love to have if he can talk if he can talk yes yeah yes uh or maybe you know even if he can't talk maybe his lawyer

would be interested in coming on because sometimes that is the case lawyers will tell um their clients do not speak um you know for obvious reasons but i can get the lawyers on sometime so that would be good to hear. What else? There's other good news that's happened. What else have you got? Well, as of August, the Doctrine and Lesser Magistrate has sold over a hundred thousand copies now. Oh, excellent. Yeah. And if you know anything about publishing, that is a huge,

that's massive. Like 97% of the books published never even make the money back from publishing them. So once you break even you're already doing better than 97% of the books published never even make the money back from publishing them. So once you break even, you're already doing better than 97% of the books that are printed. Well, that's well-deserved. That is really well-deserved because it's an excellent book. There's so much information packed in it, and it's a quick read. It's a skinny book.

I like to see a skinny book because I've got so much stuff I've got to read. So you got to the point, and you made a lot of very powerful points. It's well-deserved, and I would highly recommend that. We've got to read. So you got to the point and you made a lot of very powerful points and it's well-deserved. And I would highly recommend that we've got to get you up to a million. Uh, that's, that's the key thing. Well, this could be another, uh, you know, Thomas Paine book. If we could, it's so, so rewarding to see how the Lord's used that little book, um, in so many people's lives and impacted them and we keep seeing fruit from it the doctrine just keeps growing the thinking becomes more common i even had the daily beast contact me um about a month and a half ago wanting to do an

interview you know what they're all about yeah i know i know i've had them contact me for interviews the expansion of the kingdom of god is incumbent upon interviews with the daily beast that's right they want to get you on just so they can put words into your mouth i mean you know like hey look i've got i can write books and i can talk on interviews yeah that's fine yeah when i when i look at these people, it's like, uh, no, actually, uh, I talk for three hours a day. And so there's plenty of stuff there that I say. And I say generally what I They're malicious. Yeah. So that was cool, you know, that it's gained that much momentum. And they told me, they said, we keep hearing about this more and more. That's why we want to interview you, because it is growing. The doctrine's growing in the thinking. So we're bringing Christian thought to the realm of

civil government. And that's huge. And I keep hearing from churchmen. Believe me, there's not like a rush of churchmen, but there's some I keep hearing from a trickle. They read the book and they're like, you helped me finally bridge the gap between my Christianity and civil government, where I see that my Christianity actually should have something to do regarding civil government. That's a huge bridge for churchmen to get across because of the form of Christianity we have in this country is so awful and pietistic and brags on itself how they're not involved in politics. To the hurt of the nation,

to the corruption of the nation, you remove all the Christian people out of the civil realm, wicked men have filled the void and made their worldview law, policy and court opinion. And we now live in an insane asylum. Yes, I agree. So it's been good to see the churchmen, too. But like this thing's been growing so much, David, that it's even reached into the bowels of the draconian L.A. County. At the end of July, L.A. County was going to re-up their mask mandate. They put it out that they were going to do so. The media covered it like it's a done deal. It's

going to be happening. Guess what? Four municipalities within the county immediately put out press releases stating that they were going to defy the county if they did this order. It was Pasadena, Beverly Hills, and two other municipalities. I don't remember right now. That's great. And when this became a huge news story there in Southern Cal, and when the county held their meeting two days later, the mask mandate was not re-upped. Showing the inner position of the lesser authorities, once again, and the goodness they bring for the people when they do their duty and not blithely comply with evil,

but rather stand in the gap to stop the evil. That's right. Very encouraging. Yeah, that is very encouraging. And we've had other stories too. The end of July also, we saw Missouri. At LiveScoreBet, we love Cheltenham just as much as we love football. The excitement, the roar, and the chance to reward you.

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all the states are going along with it our state here in wisconsin handed it right over right missouri was the only state i know of where they stood in open defiance. There were over 20 sheriffs saying very bold statements of defiance, so much so that it impacted the attorney general of Missouri. And he also stood in defiance and said, you will not get one name from of anyone in the state of Missouri. You have no to that information. Excellent. Yeah. The show me state saying, uh, show me your authority. Where's your authority?

Well, the stand is encouraging. And then just, here's a couple more. I'm a good, no, keep going. Yeah.

Want to hear the good news? No, that is really, you know, we get discouraged. I was talking earlier about, you know, look at this horrific situation in Pennsylvania. You got two horrible candidates because, you know, we get discouraged. I was talking earlier about, you know, look at this horrific situation in Pennsylvania.

You got two horrible candidates because, you know, nobody got involved to stand behind the one good candidate that they had in the primary time. So now we got two horrible candidates. One of them is going to go to the Senate. One of them is saying, hey, you know, I want to end gun ownership, not just, you know, banning the sale of certain things, but we're going to confiscate stuff. And so, you know, this is the kind of situation that we get involved in and people look at it and they despair. And I keep telling everybody, but focus on your local sheriff and these other things. You can have a lot more of an effect there.

They have power. They can interpose. And, and, you know, so don't despair. There's still stuff that can be done at the local level and uh and that's why it's important this is very good news go ahead give us absolutely yeah and pennsylvania being out there you know their legislature just voted to accept homo sex earlier this year and remove off the books their um anti-sodomy laws and they're just like it's crazy out there oh yeah and i'm from the midwest and whenever i go to the coast you know they live in the midst

of it they don't realize how bad it it's actually worse on either coast than it is in the middle of the state a middle of the country oh yeah um so we have to continue to fight and take action i can't believe the evil that good men are up against over there on the East Coast, talking with them all the time. It's overwhelming. But here's another thing that's happened. Alberta, up in Canada, we've sold thousands of the doctrine to Canadians. Of course, you know they've been tyrannized into the ground up there. Oh, yeah. The book has spread far and wide, and we've begun to see acts of interposition over the last several

months, especially. And the biggest we've seen now is Alberta. Alberta is actually a province of Canada, of the federal government up in Canada. Not like America. I always mock and say states are not meant to be mere provinces of the federal government. States are different. But Alberta is actually a province, and yet they're standing in interposition against Trudeau. Trudeau put together an executive order to basically confiscate everybody's gun on the planet you know up there

in canada and all the other provinces are going along with it at this point the only province that is not is alberta if people i think i think it's up to i think saskatchewan and another one has joined now i think it's three yeah i think i think i reported that earlier this week that's now up to three alber Alberta was the first one. I think it's now three that are opposing this confiscation. And he did that. He did that two years ago, and it's already past the deadline that you're supposed to turn in your guns. And now they're saying, as this is starting to get imminent, and he's talking about using the RCMP, they're saying, nope, not going to do it.

Right. Yeah. Alberta told the RCmp to stand down ignore that and understand these are federal officers and the province is telling them you're not doing that in our province and um going around getting people's guns and pressuring people and all that um but that's great news to hear and that's what you hope to see that when one magistrate stands in defiance others will join in just like you're pointing out that's great news to hear, and that's what you hope to see, that when one magistrate stands in defiance, others will join in, just like you're pointing out. That's very encouraging.

I've got another one along those same lines, and this is a story about a sheriff who was in Montana who stood up for his people. And it was RCMP who came into Montana, and he was at a a gun show and he was taking pictures of people's licenses and stuff like that. And, you know, he wasn't, he wasn't dressed like Dudley do right. So somebody called the sheriff, you know, to find out who this guy is. And there was another guy with him that was working with him. He was from the ATF. And so it was the ATF and the RCMP, you know, federal officers,

coming there to a local gun show, taking pictures and stuff, and the sheriff ran them off. And so there you go. There's another example of interposition. This is a sheriff taking on federal officers from two countries who are there doing things illegally. That was a great story. I love that story. Oh, praise God.

Yeah. I'll have to get the link from you later on that one. That is tremendous people need to hear these stories because overwhelmingly we know the vast majority of magistrates blithely comply still that's right so when you hear of men of exceptional character are willing to take a stand uphold their oath do their duty in the sight of christ and their office it's encouraging and it's not only encouraging to us as the people, it's encouraging to other magistrates who are kind of on the precipice,

should I or shouldn't I, to tip them to do right. That's right. And to take a stand and not to cower like most of them do. That's right. So, yeah. I try to give them attention and even get them on if they're willing to come on and talk, you know, but I always give them a shout out when they do stuff like that

because you're right. Other officers need to hear that and understand that they're not alone because that's one of the ways that they deceive us, you know, just like we saw with the vaccines. Well, I guess I'm the only person who had this, who got myocarditis because they tell me that it's really rare, whatever. I'm the only one who had a family member who dropped dead after getting it. And then they find out that they're not the only one. Yeah, absolutely. And I note on the, when it comes to law enforcement, if people go to our website,

defy tyrants.com, they can see our latest drop card. These are business size cards, very cheap. Um, on one side, it addresses the Leos, law enforcement officers. Very short statement. On the other side, it just has the doctrine of the lesser magistrate defined. And then it has our website, Defy Tyrants. There's so many people we know from coast to coast who do ministry on the streets, out at, you know, mortuaries or out at, you know, drag queen gatherings, you know, where they're doing this. Yeah. So I'm into contact with law enforcement all the time. And now they have these cards,

like we've done a lot with law enforcement, but we haven't even scratched the surface prior to this. We got the card because it is something that anybody can hand to any law enforcement officer. When I was in Pittsburgh speaking two and a half weeks ago um they um we went out to the death camp police were there and i was giving them our little drop card and one of the police officers came up to me he's like you know this looks massively interesting and i said well i wrote a book on it and he goes really he goes what was the name of the book and i told him he's looking it all up and that someone else was talking to me while i'm talking to him and he he said um he said i'm buying this book this looks so interesting and i said well don't buy it you

didn't buy it did you i said he said no but i'm going to i mean i go don't let me run to my car i want to give you a copy he goes well you're going to lose a sale i'm honored to give it to you as a magistrate and um so i gave him two until i'm given to one of his you know that's good brothers in arms um this drop card is meant you have to understand you know law enforcement is the muscle of the state and most of these guys think they are nothing but robots for the state. This doctrine shows them a much larger picture regarding their office. And David, the biggest number of people I have of piles of letters from magistrates who thanked me for my book has been from sheriffs that you were just talking about. And they all talk about, this is the most important book I ever read for my office.

If they're not a Christian, usually if they're a Christian, they'll say, most important book I ever read other than the Bible for my office. That is encouraging to hear. Once again, we're bringing Christian thought into the civil realm. That is so needed. Well, you know, Matt, I think that a lot of people who, I think there's a small number of people who go into law enforcement because they want to bully other people. But I think most people go into it because they've got this protective thing. They want to protect and help people.

You know, in the same way that you've got people who will go into EMS or they'll become firefighters or something, right? You know, you have some bad firefighters who will become arsonists, you know, that type of thing. But, but typically, you know, people who go into these types of things do it because they, they want, they've, they, they've got a protective instinct. That was at least there some point in time that might've been driven out of them by this subservient, uh, uh, you know, hammering, you know,

being told by their supervisorservient, you know, hammering, you know, being told by their supervisors in the institution, no, you have to do exactly what I say, even when you don't agree with it. And even if you think that it's illegal, you got to take my orders and that type of thing. And so, you know, they can kind of get put into that box. But I think when they see the bigger picture, when they see the historical picture, where they see the, you know, the Christian picture behind all this stuff, then that is a real freeing thing for them,

and it frees them up to be what they always wanted to be, and that is to protect people, I think. Now, that is a great point you made, because I've talked to so many officers who are jaded. At LiveScoreBet, we love Cheltenham just as much as we love football. The excitement, the roar, and the chance to reward you. who are jaded. week in racing cheltenham with live score bet this is total betting sign up by 2 p.m 14th of march bet within 48 hours of race main market excluding specials and place bets terms apply bet responsibly 18 plus gambling care.e um and they'll talk to you once they know you're a minister you're standing there and they'll talk about precisely what you just said that is why

they got involved they wanted to make a difference. They wanted to protect, they wanted to stop evil. And they said, that isn't what this is. They'll be in eight years, 10 years, 12 years. And they just, it's just a job to them now. And so it is important that we bring this thinking to them. And I love your point about history because history speaks to people. Yes. Yes. Yeah. I think too of, I don't know if you're familiar with it, but Frank Cervico, them and i love your point about history because history speaks to people yes yes you know i think too of uh i don't know if you're familiar with it but um you know frank cervico most people know that because the movie with al pacino but there was an even better case it's more recent and as a police officer out of new york his name was adrian schoolcraft and his father was a cop he wanted to

be a cop he wanted to protect people he went to work there in new york city and he found out that it's simply about trying to hit people up for fines and harassing them and all this other kind of stuff. He didn't want to be a part of that. And so he started recording what his supervisors were doing, started wearing a mic and recording it. And eventually they found out that he was doing that. And eventually they went to his apartment and they kidnapped him, essentially. The guy who was a police chief there in New York. and they took him to an insane asylum. His father started investigating, and he had had another camera that he kept for his own protection that was up on the bookshelf, and his father saw what they had done, but then he had to find him in the insane asylum. But they did all kinds of things to him.

They told him on Halloween, just go out and arrest people, bring them back, and we'll figure out what to charge them with later on. Stuff like that. And we rebelled against that. And we rebelled against giving people tickets who were, you know, for just people who were banned from smoking in their barbershop, for example. So if they want a cigarette, they'd step outside their barbershop to have a smoke. And then the cops would get them for loitering. You know, that type of thing. He says, I'm not going to do that. So to punish him, they put him on a beat. They had him walking

a beat. And he said, I've never been happier because that's what I wanted to do. I got to know the people in the community. I got to protect them and all the rest of this stuff. And that's what Serpico was about, right? Frank Serpico. And he said, you're always going to have bad people in an institution. But the question is, will the institution purge those bad people out, or will it embrace that corruption and become corrupt itself? And so that really is what is happening. And your book frees these people. If you get enough of them, if you get a critical mass, you really can change things. And that's why it's important for them to understand the bigger picture, I think.

Absolutely. I'm going to look up his story because that's the first time i've heard about it yeah adrian schoolcraft adrian schoolcraft in new york he eventually had to go into hiding you know i tried to get him for interviews but he's he's hiding now from the cops i mean he's had threats on his life by these people just like they did with serpico you know yeah and the thing you said about them deciding what to just bring them in then we'll figure out what to charge them with. Many years ago now, it's been almost 20 years. Actually, it has been 20 years. I was beat up.

I had to go to the hospital afterwards for medical attention, beat up by police down in Illinois, in Bloomington, Illinois. and after they beat me up for no reason at all we were out doing ministry speaking up for our pre-born neighbor they spent an hour while I was in the cell and they're outside the cell and they're on phones with other officers what are we gonna charge him with what are we gonna charge with coming up with nothing because I did nothing and they beat me up badly And then they took me to trial. I was looking at four years in prison and ended up with a four-day trial. I was found not guilty. And so these things happen in police departments across the country.

Routinely, my lawyer did an investigation of brutality in that town. One guy had been beaten to death in prison, in jail, two months earlier. Now understand your average thug doesn't walk around with video cameras with them. We all had video cameras. It was only the video cameras that saved my butt, David, was because they didn't know about the video cameras, all that we had, showing them beating me up and me doing nothing. And they lie right through their teeth. The officers got on the stand, lied right through their teeth, had no compunction, didn't care what happens to you as a person. They wanted me to cop a deal.

I told them, I'm not copping a deal. You guys did wrong. I didn't do wrong. Well, you're going to look at four years in prison if you don't cop a deal, because we're going to let you go with just a year of probation. And I said, I'm a Christian man. My life is in Christ's hands. Whether I'm free or bond, I'm in his hands. So it's like, I'm not going along with this under your intimidation. And the Lord delivered me me out of it but a lot of times people think that doesn't happen or it sounds too far-fetched it happens commonly oh yeah with police departments much corruption yes thank you for pointing that out and there's a lot of

corruption again around uh the abortion stuff right which is not surprising you know if these people are willing to rip apart without even any anesthetic, a baby, they're willing to do anything to adults. I mean, just look at what just happened to that guy, Matt Hulk, and his family getting SWAT teamed and all that kind of stuff because he interposed himself between a guy who got aggressive against his son while he was there at the abortion clinic. So they make it about, Oh, well you violated the face act. Uh, you know,

you have, um, intimidated somebody from going into getting abortion. It wasn't that about that at all, but this is, there's a political element about that because this is something in Pennsylvania. They want to,

they think they've got a winning issue with abortion and maybe they do. And so they want to make an issue out of, out of that. And they've, uh, you know, put him on the spot, but it's, uh, that got a winning issue with abortion and maybe they do. And so they want to make an issue out of, out of that. And they've, uh, you know, put him on the spot, but it's, uh, that got a lot of attention and that particular one may blow up in their face. I hope it does. Yeah, absolutely. Well, the last story I have is about Edwardsville, um, Kansas.

So we've gone from LA County, massive population to Edwardsville, Kansas, less than 5,000 people. They're showing the doctrines making inroads everywhere, every level, every sphere, which is encouraging. But Edwardsville, just last week, in the state of Kansas, and by the way, they're butchering children no differently in Kansas than they were prior to the Dobbs opinion being released. But they have this statute there, a state statute that grants immunity to all teachers, health workers. If they show minors something that if we showed them, we would be arrested for. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That's an amazing thing, isn't it?

You know, it's like they send people, well, not the new Supreme Court justice says she doesn't think people should be going to jail for child pornography. But, you know, these people show pornography to kids in schools and it's fine or in libraries, whatever, it's fine. That's what it is. Yeah. to kids in schools and it's fine or in libraries whatever it's fine that's what it is yeah and so like their municipality years ago and every municipality in kansas writes law similar to that and gets who they do it to be asked of the municipality organization like i'm not familiar

with our municipality organization here in wisconsin but i am with the county organization they're all leftists and what they do is they show the people who are at these local and county governments how to govern and give them model legislation. And don't tell them the power and authority they do possess. It's all just to keep it from the federal government to the state government, down to the county and local government to embed the evil down in the fabric of society. And so this mayor of this town, she starts reading this ordinance and she's like, that's messed up. Why would we grant immunity to these people who are doing the same thing that a guy, if he did it on the street, what? Because there's quote unquote experts or something. So what they ended up doing just last week was rewriting their ordinance,

an open defiance of the state law regarding this matter of sexuality and what they are allowed to show to the children in Edwardsville. That is a great act of intercession. As you know, David, when it comes to the two biggest national sins we have, the murder, shedding of innocent blood, murder of the pre-born, and the proliferation of sodomy, homo sex, across our nation, we'll see interposition on other things like guns and masks and stuff like that. But when it comes to those two, Yeah, the moral issues.

Magistrates have been AWOL on that. Yeah. And so to see this from Edwardsville, I pray it lights a fire and that spreads and just spreads and spreads. Because these magistrates, how many times have you gone to a school board meeting to speak

or a municipal meeting or a county meeting? And what do they all do? The magistrates all sit there but we're mandated by law to do this okay but it's evil it's immoral it's unjust it's wrong but we're mandated we have to do it you know and you're just like no actually you don't and your actual duty is interposition to stand against the evil not help it um proliferate in society that's right. So encouraging us to do what they did.

And, you know, you said you spoke about our duty as individuals to interpose, you know, and I think that really is what we have seen with the people in the military, with people in their private jobs, with nurses and doctors and others who said, well, you can fire me if you need to, but I'm not going to take the mandate because you're not, you know, allowed to do that. And then coming back and suing them, you know, for what they have done to them, but refusing to go along simply because it is a mandate and simply because there's money attached to it, because that's really what these school boards are doing when they say, well, you know, we're told that we have to do it.

No, you know, it's because you're going to get money cut off if you don't follow the orders. That's what this is really about. It's really about their love of money. That's the root of all evil. And they've been bought out. They've sold out their fellow man for 30 pieces of silver. And that's what it's ultimately about. But it really is.

And we're seeing this massive pushback from a lot of people who have said, we're not going to participate in this. We're not going to be intimidated. And we're not going to be bought out by this. We've talked about the good things that have been happening and about people interposing, but you know what we haven't talked about, Matt, is the doctrine itself. And I've had you on in the past, and I know that many people in the audience have heard it, but I think they'd enjoy hearing it again, and there are some other people who haven't heard it. So let's give people the viewpoint of the gist of what the doctrine of the lesser magistrates is about. Sure. The doctrine is simply that when the higher-ranking civil authority makes unjust or immoral law, policy, or court opinion,

the God-given right and duty of the lesser authority is not by compliance. Rather, it's what we call interposition. They're to interpose, use their lawful office to interpose against the evil of the superior civil authority. And if necessary, to actively resist the superior civil authority. And that's something that is a big thing in terms of we saw that happening significantly with the Reformation. But we also, you have in your book, you have even examples of this going back to Rome, pre-Christian. Talk about that. Showing that it's natural to man.

We have, for example, plenty of examples in Scripture, plenty of examples, history from the time of Christ till now of the doctrine being demonstrated. It wasn't formalized as a doctrine by Christian men until 1550 in Magdeburg, Germany. Yeah, we see the doctrine demonstrated in non-Christian, non-Jewish nations. And I start out my book with one of those stories, you know, with the Emperor of Rome, Caligula, and the interposition that took place there by a governor, the governor of Palestine, Publius Petronius. It is a phenomenal story that everyone should read, and we see that in numerous other places, even Trajan, Emperor Trajan. He was giving a sword to one of his subordinates, and he said upon giving him the sword,

use this sword against my enemies if I give righteous commands. But if I give unrighteous commands, use it against me. That's the doctrine in a nutshell. Yes. The lesser authorities obey the superior authority when they're doing right and acting properly. And how do we know if they're acting right and doing properly? Because of the law and word of God. And I think we're seeing that more than ever that people are realizing when you remove the law of God and his word, what kind of

nonsense they're able to get away because that was the objective standard by which all men and all governments of men were held accountable to and judged by whether the laws they were making were just or unjust good or bad and those types of things so now that that objective standard has been removed you see how lawless the governments have been. They just make law up out of thin air, out of mere whim. Good becomes evil, evil becomes good, and you live in an insane asylum now at this point. So it's extremely important for the lesser authorities to understand their duty in the sight of Christ, that when the superior authority does wrong or does evil, their duty is to interpose against the evil. And the duty of the people is to prod

their lesser authorities to do right, and to assure them if they do do right, that they will stand with them four square, with their persons, with their property, with their prayers, both publicly and privately. That needs to happen now more than ever, because you see what we're in the midst of right now. And these tyrants aren't going away. Some people think, well, it seems like it's getting better. Election year. They're biding their time until, they're biding time, it's biding time. It's Biden time. Their Biden time until after the election, and they've left all of their presumed powers in place. They've just put a pause on it, and they're going to come back big time. You know, one of the things I remember before I got you on, actually, there were a lot of high-profile Christians who had radio shows and things like that. And I had people tell me about, you

know, Todd Friel was pushing real hard that you do whatever the government says, you know, even if it's, you know, this was written by people who were suffering under persecution, Roman persecution. I said, whatever the government says, you do that. And I said, no, that's not what Romans 13 says. And I opposed that. And I called him out by name because he did it for like three or four days. Interestingly enough, after I found it, you know, after his first program about that, people started sending him information about your book. And he says, I know about the doctrine of the lesser magistrate, but, you know, and so I said, no, it's not that. I lost a friend over that. But, you know, the reality is, is that that's not what romans 13 says talk a little bit about that address that yeah by the way that was the first time i was exposed um to your ministry

and to your show was you were responding to todd friel sent me the clip of that and i was like who is this guy this is awesome but yeah todd did know about the doctor unless you're very interesting story is his top video man who worked for him and todd's got like 26 employees or something from what i understand and um so he um he contacted me because he was totally bothered about how todd's teaching all the people on the staff to go along with this how he's bothered that he's helping publish this kind of thing yeah he's teaching everybody to comply and obey if the governor tells me to put pinwheels on my head to go into the yes that was that was what he literally said if they tell you to put pinwheels on your head you got to put pinwheels on your head what right that doesn't have any moral issue to it you know when the government tells you do

something evil then it really does become a clear-cut case right like there's no limits to their authority and um it was crazy so um that guy actually couldn't continue in good conscience and he's the guy who puts together our little videos now oh good at defy tyrants little one to five minute videos which people can see by the way we have a defy tyrants channel at rumble that's the one we push the most we also have a defy tyrants channel at um youtube we don't push that as much because they've censored us numerous times um but so romans 13 yeah, that is used by not only the churchmen, but the magistrates loved Romans 13. Oh, the Nazis loved it. Oh, yeah, they did. And I've been where we've spoken up for the pre-born and interposed at the doors of abortion clinics, and here's cops quoting Romans 13. I've stood on

public streets where the cops want us to leave the streets, and then they quote to me Romans 13. Well, they've quoted it to the wrong person, because I point out to them exactly what it does teach, and it does not teach unlimited obedience to the state. Just look at the passage. Those who assert that it's teaching unlimited obedience to the state. Just look at the passage. Those who assert that it's teaching unlimited obedience to the state are doing what we call an act of eisegesis. They're reading into Scripture something that's not there. Eise is the Greek word for into. You don't want to do eisegesis, you want to do exegesis. Ex is the Greek word out. You want to draw out the original intended meaning,

not assert your own thinking onto the text. In fact, there's not one verse in all of the Bible that says we're always to obey the civil authorities. And that brings you to the second point of proper hermeneutics. Proper hermeneutics, the hallmark of it is Scripture interprets Scripture. Scripture with a big S interprets scripture with a small S. In other words, when you look at a particular passage or verse, scripture with a small S, you have to look at it in the light of the whole of God's word,

scripture with a big S. Scripture with a big S interprets scripture with a small S. And when you do that, you see all these places, both in the Old Testament and the New Testament, where the people of God do not obey the civil authorities, and God blesses and commends them for their obedience to him and standing in interposition against the evil that the civil authorities are trying to do. And many examples, the Hebrew midwives told to murder by Pharaoh. They did not do it. Daniel told he couldn't pray

to God. He prayed to God anyway, and that is the standard that Christian men have followed, those two examples, down through the ages, and that's simply that when the state commands that which God forbids, or forbids that which God commands, we obey God rather than man. That's right. Extremely important, and this whole idea that a lot of them have now, too, is unlimited obedience. That is the overwhelming majority of churchmen teach that. There is nothing they would not obey or convince in the name of love, a distorted love. Once you divorce the ethic of love from Scripture, David, you can use love to justify anything, even two men or two women marrying. Love has to be defined by the law and word of god that's how we know how to love our neighbor that's right it's fine you can you can use uh love thy neighbor to

push abortions on billboards which is why gavin newsom can you believe that yeah that shows you how cynical that is it's a it's amazing but they use that to push the uh the the vaccines to to kill people and to cripple people, so why not use it to push abortion? I mean, it makes sense, I guess, from his standpoint. Yeah. Crazy. Yeah, so Romans 13 does not teach on the limit of obedience to the state. The scriptures actually teach that the state has limits in the authority they possess, and of course, living in America, or also whatever state you live in, the U.S. Constitution, your state constitution, limits the authority of magistrates, just as scripture limits their authority. So when they go outside the limits of their authority,

then they need to be opposed and resisted in order to get them to understand you're not God. That's right. And your authority is not God. That's right. And your authority is not unlimited. That's right. And it's actually delegated to you from God, the authority you do possess. Therefore, you have a duty to govern according to his rule. Extremely important to teach people these things so they understand, because right now, because we've removed that objective standard of God's law,

people don't even know when tyranny is biting the end of their nose. They're blind to it, and the state can get away with mass evil on the people. I said at the very beginning of all this stuff, I had been following Fauci and the CDC and the vaccine narratives, and I knew how they had covered up for harmful vaccines and things like that. I knew the annual tricks that they played with the flu and all the rest of the stuff. And I knew that they had been practicing to do this very thing for 20 years on an annual basis. And so I knew a lot of stuff like that.

And it did surprise me that they were able to fool a lot of people who had not kept up with that because that was not necessarily well known. But it bothered me that, you know, churches were closing down and then, you know, eventually the churches started to realize after a month or so, you know, well, this isn't really what they said it was going to be. Uh, they, they closed down because they had believed the hype, uh, that was coming out there. And so some of them closed down meaning well, but then after it became obvious, you know became obvious, it had always been obvious to me, but after they started to wake up to it, then a lot of them started falling back to this, well, we just got to do whatever government says type of thing. And I said at that time, I said the people who have been saying, you know, Romans 13, you obey the government no matter how bad it is, you know, pinwheels on your head or whatever. Even if it's immoral, you obey them.

And I said, and then they'll put in the caveat, unless they tell you something that is going to conflict with God's law. And I said, no, you watch. When they tell them they can't go to church, they won't go to church. And that's exactly what happened. These people gave, and the ones who continued to obey these lockdown rules were the same people that have been telling everybody that interpretation of Romans 13. And, you. And as you point out, you got to take it in the context. If you look at the context of the passage, it's clear what's going on. If you look at the context of the overall scripture, it's clear what's going on. But if you take something out of context,

they use it as a pretext. And that's the way these people have been using this. And that's why it's so important for people to understand and to not get gaslighted and propagandized by these people into doing something that is wrong and that's the key thing and that's one of the things they'll say is another thing those who want us to always obey they'll say that okay they were under nero and the roman government look how evil that government is. So surely we need to obey everything our government says. Well, what they don't understand is just good grammar, proper hermeneutics. Paul was not writing there descriptively.

He was writing there prescriptively. When you're writing descriptively, like Nero would have been mentioned, the Roman government would have been mentioned. They're not. The reason they weren't is because he wasn't writing descriptively. He was writing prescriptively about how things should be, how they're meant to be. That's how he was writing. A government that you follow is an agent of God for good. You know, was Nero, was Hitler, were they agents of God for good you know was Nero was Hitler were they agents of God for good no right yeah the ministers of magdeburg who first formalized the doctrine of Lesser magistrate called this idea that we're always to obey the civil authorities because that was a big thinking

amongst churchmen back then during the Reformation too a huge debate. And they called it an invention of the devil. That sums it up really good, because it really is, because you're actually aiding evil men to commit acts of tyranny and evil against people in the nation. It's wicked. And God doesn't count on that. They've abused their authority, and therefore they have to be called to account on it. And one of the things we do as individuals is at times we have to actually disobey them ourselves. Yes. And so we're willing to take upon ourselves the suffering they dish out. That's a goodness to society as a whole because of the fact that we obey God first, not man.

We benefit society as a whole in stopping evil from proliferating in the land. When it comes to the lesser magistrate, they use their lawful office to interpose, to stand in defiance. And sometimes they end up suffering for it. It's not always a great turnout in the end yeah um and that's why um uh setonia said that when the lesser authority um defies the superior authority he's taking the wolf by the ears that's what he said because he you better consider what all's going on you know when he makes this stand that's right yeah you really do have the wolf by the ears. That's true.

But, you know, the thing is, and this is why it's so important in the Christian aspect of it, is that Christians have a different perspective. You know, we have the fulcrum in our life is placed outside of our life. And so that's why we don't have to worry about taking the wolf by the ears. We don't have to worry about this mysterious virus that you can't see and you can't see the effect of it. You know, we don't have to, we don't have to fear that. I mean, even, you know, the faithful Christians in centuries past would continue to do what they were, knew was their duty to do.

They would continue to do that even in the face of a real plague, where you see people, the bodies piling up. We didn't see any of that stuff happening, you know, but we just shut everything down and kept it shut. It's just absolutely amazing. It is, and you're absolutely right. It's our relationship with Christ. It's our theology. That's what gives us the grit to stand in the face of tyranny and do right by him. And it's the only thing. And that's what makes the difference. That's right. And it's been encouraging

to see some people do it. It's been discouraging to see how few people have done it through this thing. But that's where we are. And again, The Doctrine of the Lesser Magistrate, people can find that at defytyrants.com. Thank you so much for joining us, Matt. I appreciate it.

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