The David Knight Show - INTERVIEW Surviving Nuclear War and/or EMP

Episode Date: June 27, 2023

Jack Lawson, CivilDefenseManual.com, on what to expect from nuclear attack or an EMP (electromagnetic pulse). How to prepare, how to survive.Find out more about the show and where you can watch it at TheDavidKnightShow.comIf you would like to support the show and our family please consider subscribing monthly here: SubscribeStar https://www.subscribestar.com/the-david-knight-showOr you can send a donation throughMail: David Knight POB 994 Kodak, TN 37764Zelle: @[e-mail] App at: $davidknightshowBTC to: bc1qkuec29hkuye4xse9unh7nptvu3y9qmv24vanh7Money is only what YOU hold: Go to DavidKnight.gold for great deals on physical gold/silverFor 10% off Gerald Celente's prescient Trends Journal, go to TrendsJournal.com and enter the code KNIGHTBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-david-knight-show--2653468/support.

All right, welcome back. And we do have Jack Lawson on the line now. Again, Jack Lawson's books, civildefensemanual.com. That's where you can find these volumes one and two. He only sells it in book format and he only sells them together because you've got to get the full picture. And he wants to make sure that if you have to use them, you will be able to use them because if you don't have internet or you don't have your computer up and operating, you'll still have the book that's there. Thank you for joining us, Jack. Good to talk to you again.

It's always good to listen to you. You're a voice of sanity in a world of insanity. Well, it got pretty crazy last week when we started seeing this civil war in Russia. And of course, the consequences of that, you know, they just keep pushing, pushing, pushing. And you wonder if somebody there like Putin is going to freak out and push a button and start a nuclear war. So that's why I wanted to get you on. I thought it was a great idea for us to talk about that because you have so many different chapters in these two volumes here talking about all kinds of things. I was just talking about how they want to ban food, for example.

You talk about how we can save food and make sure you've got water for emergencies and other things. But also, you know, there's things there like preparing for a nuclear attack. And you've drawn on the expertise of a lot of individual contributors as well as your own experience. And you've had considerable experience as a soldier and in survival situations. But let's talk a little bit about the nuclear aspect and what individuals can do about that if something like that happens. Well, first, David, I'd like to say that I doubt any button being pushed is going to come from Vladimir Putin. I often have thought of P.T. Barnum and Barnum and Bailey Circus. I suppose the guy had nightmares that the clowns were going to take over the circus.

But that's in essence what I think we have. We have a bunch of people that are detached from the reality of what is going on. I think they have a push and push and I'm not supporting Putin. I'm just not supporting, uh, the world people on the other side. That's right. Um, you kind of got a little bit of a Bay of Pigs type of situation because Putin has now put some nuclear weapons in Belarus. And then Lindsey Graham and I think it was Blumenthal was with him. They come out and say, well, you know, just understand that if you try

to use these in any way, shape, or form, it's going to be a big response from us. I mean, as you point out, they're the ones likely as anything else to escalate this because they've been escalating this since the 1990s. They've been escalating this conflict. People have to understand one thing that, well, this is a complex issue. Surviving nuclear war is quite simple, actually, but our nuclear arsenal is somewhere up around 60 years old. The Russians, Chinese, and I believe the North Koreans,

maybe Pakistan and France, have been doing testing and perfecting the nuclear weapons. One thing that is clear to me now is that this is a real oxymoron, but they've actually the other side, Russia, China, not so much North Korea, but Russia and China have created kind of a green bomb, if you want to say it. It's an environmentally friendly nuclear weapon. When I was in and went to nuclear weapons school, we had, it wasn't described then as a dirty bomb. It was described then as a nuclear weapon.

But 60 years later, the weapons that that i used to uh i i was putting nuclear arming packages on these things i'd sit on top of these things uh we had all this expensive scaffolding but uh the bottom line was i had a sergeant down below handing me stuff and this missile i worked on was six foot off the floor. So rather than assemble all of this expensive framework, we'd put a ladder up and sit on top of the bomb. And I would have to put the arming package on and take the arming package off. I'm getting a picture, Jack, as you talk about this, of Dr. Strangelove.

Well, you know, I've often thought of that only the missile wasn't going any place when i was sitting on it but i didn't have a cowboy hat either like some people said but it did yeah it's it's a it's a beautiful thing it's uh epoxy coated rounded edge about the size of a 30 gallon drum there's a couple different kinds of them i'm not going to go into that what i want to get into is how people survive this uh if there is an exchange uh with uh what they have in their house but the long and short of the thing is is uh uh nuclear weapons there's enough when i went to school it was under the mad doctrine the mutual assured destruction i don't know who comes up with these terms they must have people sitting in an asylum say in insane asylum someplace coming up with these terms but that's it's uh it's a very accurate term if they

ever have a full exchange it'll literally incinerate and remove us from the planet but uh that's the big boom people misunderstand what would happen during a nuclear exchange and both sides have been talking about this this is what bothers me i think we're actually further ahead on the probability chart than we were during the cuban crisis yes uh we we had a president that was to me is probably one of the last good ones even though he was a democrat and hell i was a democrat back then so i don't know you know came to my senses but uh the the nuclear exchange will be preceded by something called the emp that's electromagnetic pulse event it's also known in the military as the hemp high altitude electromagnetic pulse event

this is 150 mile above the earth roughly explosion that will cast gamma rays out that will destroy every semiconductor that people have whether it's an led flashlight and there's there's caveats to all this but the bottom line is our entire our entire electrical grid and our entire communication system will go down that is important to understand people will literally hear a deafening silence there will be nothing. Nothing that's run by computers is going to be operating. Your cell phone might work, but the cell towers will not work. So that will be precise.

There will probably be six to 12 of these set off over the industrialized Western world, and especially America. And what this will do in the hopes of the enemy is destroy our ability to respond on a military basis. Everything's GPS. Everything is satellite guidance systems. All the weapon systems function off of this. So what you're going to have is not only the military capability destroyed,

the Russians, after the Russian Soviet Empire went down, we had atomic energy people over there and military people concerned about their nuclear weapons falling into the wrong hands. 8,000 volts per square meter was totally upset because the Russians said, we've developed and have EMP nuclear weapons, and this is a blast in the sky. You won't hear it. You won't taste it. You won't smell it. You won't feel it.

You may possibly see some sparking along the ground, but this will take out everything that is electronic and we are heavily dependent on that manufacturing and the ability for us to manufacture for the military is going to go out the window that's preceding a nuclear attack then I really don't believe that the Russians I don't know about the Chinese are going to Target uh anything but military centers or manufacturing centers and they know where every one of these is to this to the literal uh within a meter of what their GPS tells them so the long and shorter thing is you'll have an EMP and then you may have,

you may just have an EMP, but you may have attacks on military, uh, some, uh, political centers and manufacturing centers. I don't think they're going to be out to just kill the average American person.

But of course, taking down the power grid and, and that's one of the things that's worrying about, uh, North Korea, you know, uh, you don't have to,

um, you know, uh, uh, close only counts in horseshoes and, nuclear, nuclear war, right?

Except that you don't even have to be as close when you've got an EMP. Uh, you know, if you have situation like North Korea, I guess it's one of the reasons why it's so worrying when they shoot a rocket up over Japan. Is this going to be an EMP thing or what are they going to do with this? And if they were able to do something like that, that would be a nice plausible deniability for China.

Well, it wasn't us. It was North Korea that would do that. But whoever does it or if it is done, that is something that is going to have very lasting effects as well, because some of the things that they're going to take out are going to be giant transformers as part of the grid that are very, very difficult to replace. There's only a couple of places in the world that make these things and they have a very, very long lead time for manufacturing.

And of course, if this was a broader response and they took out the factories in Germany where they make these things, you can forget about it happening for a very long time. So you basically wipe out the infrastructure to a large degree, and then you don't even have the tools really to rebuild it because that's been taken away from you as well. So this could be something that would happen.

An EMP strike would be devastating, perhaps as devastating as if there was an actual nuclear bomb that landed because now all of society has been bombed back into the stone ages and people are going to start starving, right? It's a good description, the stone age, because that's just about what it would be. Yeah. Water systems won't run.

Transportation and distribution of food, that's going to stop. It would be, I don't even like to think about the nightmare that that turned into but uh let let me go to this uh people can survive this when i went to nuclear weapons school it was like uh say goodbye to everybody because if there's nuclear exchange uh you're basically not going to survive it. That's the picture they painted. Now, with the newer weapons, they have, there's something in physics, and I don't want to get complicated about this, but people have to understand,

there's what's called the inverse square law. That means this. One foot from a particle of this being outside of your window. And nuclear material outside the fireball, which is about decaying nuclear material which causes the gamma rays will not attach uh to anything other it's got to attach to a particle of dust in the air so if you're in your house the simple thing for people to do is to shelter in place if you're outside the blast area there's an old saying they came up and somebody came up with called duck and cover that is critical if you're in the blast area uh 90 of the people that died in nagasaki in hiroshima if they wouldn't have been looking out the window

uh when these when the shock wave hit that's two to twenty seconds after the burst that shock wave splintered windows and sent pieces of glass at the speed of bullet cutting pieces people to shreds duck and cover get down put your thumbs in your ears to try to keep the noise from uh acoustical trauma and put your fingers over your face get under something solid if you're in a blast area uh first is a fireball uh that's questionable whether anybody will survive in that but the odds are where they would hit there wouldn't be a lot of people killed but the blast area uh and in addition to falling stuff you got glass splintering so duck cover stick your thumbs in your ears fingers over your eyes and wait for the shock wave to go by and you'll know when it goes by because if you've got a you're in a building when

windows shatter uh people on trains in uh japan at the hiroshima burst and there's a great article written by one of the foremost experts that's shane connor at ki for you ki for you. K-I for you means basically potassium iodide. K-I for you. This guy knows his stuff inside and out. He works with a group called Physicians for Self-Defense. But the people on this train stood up, looked out the windows, and flying glass shredded these people. 90% of the people that die after a nuclear explosion are outside the blast area, going to die from being outside exposed to nuclear radiation. Shelter in place.

If you're outside the blast area, you risk the fallout from this. And there's basically three types of nuclear explosions. There's the airburst, 3,000 to 4,000 feet over the intended target. There is the ground burst, which is probably 200 to 600 foot above the intended Target and then in areas where they're looking to destroy underground bunkers missile silos there's what's called the shallow ground burst the closer you are to the ground when the closer this weapon is to the ground or penetrating the ground the more debris it picks up and puts up into the funnel cloud and when this happens there's more fallout because there's more trash up there that's going to eventually

blow with the winds downrange now i would generally say we have winds moving from west to east so any explosion west of you has a possibility depending on winds and depending on rain of falling on you but people have to understand if you're in a house in the center of your house that nuclear gamma radiation that's at your window, if it goes one foot, it may have half the power. If it goes two foot, it's got a fourth of the power. On and on. If you're 10 foot in the middle of your house with your family and there's things that you have to have, you don't have to stay in your house forever 48 hours to uh probably a week on the outside uh depending on where you are and what the fallout the winds are doing you will survive this intact you will not have uh you'll virtually have no damage whatsoever now you have to understand gamma rays

are like invisible bullets if you're outside they're going through your body if there's fallout if you're inside your house in the center find the closest to the center of your house and preferably something that's a room even if it's a master bedroom closet that's big enough. But if it's like, say, you and your wife, you get into one of these areas, shut your HVAC off, shut your electric off to your house to keep air circulation down. And good God, where I live, it'd be awful hot to do that. But, you know, you've got to determine whether you want to live or not live yeah and you need a few things to to survive this with but 48 hours to a week people have to understand that 500 and there's all kinds of complicated uh there's all kinds of complicated names this but they have something called a

rankin which is 500 rankins will kill you after half an hour if you're outside if you're 10 foot inside your house it's going to be down to almost negligible amount of that but you have to stay in that area you have to keep dust and air circulation from happening and there's other things food and water and then what happens after you know 48 hours to a week uh is that um you know the the radioactive material that falls down at that point in time uh what kind of half-life are we looking at is it still going to be dangerous outside it'll be so small that you can pretty much life can go on as normal after a week you're not going to detect much of this uh again shane connor ki for you has something simple called a nuke alert if you have this it's a small uh device

that you can put on a keychain and if it gets to hazardous levels this thing will start beeping so if you have one of these you don't need a geiger counter which detects radiation what you what you have to have some idea of of what your exposure is and if this thing doesn't beep you're okay if you're in the middle of your house you're okay if this thing doesn't beep, you're okay. If you're in the middle of your house, you're okay. If you're in the basement of your house, you're okay. Gamma rays are the shortest on the atomic spectrum, but they're the most powerful. But the wonderful thing about it is for every foot they travel they quarter so it gets

down to 10 foot you've got a negligible level if you keep the dust out of your house if you keep your air from the the ventilation system off and it might be a miserable couple days but you have to decide what do you want to live or not? Of course you may not have power anyway. Wow. That's that option may be taken out of you. But that, uh, when we talk about KI for you, potassium iodide for you, uh, how is that? Is that KI? Is it the number four or does he spell it out?

It's KI, uh, four is, is what, what it is. Okay. The thyroid gland has a nasty habit of collecting radiation it and your thyroid gland controls all your body hormones if you have that it and it can literally uh incapacitate you potassium iodine takes the place of it it keeps uh nuclear radiation that's in your body, that's circulating in your blood. It keeps it from being absorbed by the thyroid gland. And so you literally pass it out when you urinate.

Yeah. Yeah. So you want to make sure that it doesn't get absorbed by the thing. It's going to keep it and then get cancerous and start causing all kinds of problems for your body. That's the whole idea behind the, the iodine potassium potassium iodine, is to fill it up so it can't absorb anything else,

and then you can pass it out. I understand. Is KI the number four? Is it KI number four? Yes. Okay, good. Yeah, and there's another thing people can do. Your mama used to put tincture of iodine on you when you got a cut.

There's iodine, just about any iodine solution. You take eight milliliters of it, paint it on your arm, and your body will absorb this. On a child, like, than adults are. So it's very important, uh, that the first thing you do is to shelter in place. And, uh, Well, that's interesting. You know, I used to always laugh about the duck and cover because I was a kid during the Cuban missile crisis and we were in Florida. And it's like, so what's this about?

They want the dental records, you know, for us to stick our head in the desk. But you're talking about avoiding, you know, falling into the trap. It's kind of a sucker punch. You know, you see this big flash out there and you're looking to see the flash. And then all of a sudden the shockwave hits you and shreds you with a glass. So that's a key point right there. And then getting into the center of the house to try to get away from the radiation that's going to fall off as a square of the distance.

That's the other part of it. And then just kind of wait it out. And then you look at what society is like. That's where the rest of your book comes in, right? That's where the rest of the book comes in. That is where the rest of the book comes in because, oh my God, I mean, again, it goes back to almost every catastrophic event that can happen gets back to food, water, most importantly, but food, water, medicines, and a place to shelter. Yeah. And I'm astounded with, especially the younger kid,

they're ordering this fresh food. I'll bet you the majority of these young kids have a one day's worth of leftovers in their refrigerator. They order this stuff and, uh, they ordered these foods and they literally. I've got a daughter. It does. That's right. Yeah.

You're going to get some special storable food and everything. I mean, that's fine. But, you know, you just start storing up some canned goods and things like that. Absolutely. And you can do that gradually and incrementally and, you know, and start preparing in that way. And, of course, if people go to civildefensemanual.com, they'll see for free the chapter there about water, which is the most important thing. The thing that you can't survive that,

that, that, you know, you, you, uh, must have, uh,

over all other things is going to be water. And so you've got a free chapter there. And I think if people get a sense of, um, uh, the way you cover water there, they get a sense of the detail and the usefulness of the information that is there.

I think that's a key thing. And it's a great thing that you got it there for the most important thing, but also gives people a preview of how good this book is, how thorough this book is. The free chapter on water is really valuable. This entire chapter I'm talking about here is surviving a nuclear explosion with what you have is also uh on the website it's free for people to read and uh it's as comprehensive as it can get for the average person to understand duck and cover shelter in place there's a few things people need to have water one person needs one gallon for one day that's the rule of rule of three. So if you're going to stay in the house, it's you and your wife, you're going to stay in your house for two days, say,

you're going to need four gallons of water. Most people don't have this. Most people think, I'll turn the tap on. Well well that may not happen that you're able to get any water if you can get water put it in a bucket or whatever you have to uh use for a container and take it into that area in the center of your house in addition to water food canned food simple like you said uh people need to have garbage bags that fit in a five gallon kale pail and use that as a latrine or a place to go potty uh they need lighting of some kind uh preferably uh uh i would not use candles because you're going to have an oxygen deficiency to some degree in your house, rebreathing carbon dioxide.

But in most spaces, you'll last for quite some time. You need non-electronic games, cards, something to keep your mind off of what's going on. Blankets, sleeping bags. If it's cold weather you're gonna warm clothes um i mean we look at things as happening at the environment we're in and the weather situation we're in this may happen six months from now may not happen i don't know i'm just nervous about yeah uh the provocations that are going on in this ukraine war especially well you know joel scousen i've talked to him many times he always has has for years as long as i've been

talking to him believed that uh our side was deliberately trying to provoke an attack because that was going to be the easiest way for them to reset society which they wanted to do and of course when we talk about mutual assured destruction, it doesn't just really apply to nuclear weapons. I think mutually assured destruction, uh, is, uh, also applies to the citizens who have guns. You know, uh, I've, I've said many times that the second amendment, uh, is they're protecting us from government right now as a deterrent, because if they go out and they start trying to take the second, you know, take, take the guns from people, uh, that's going to kick things off and it's going to be mutually assured destruction right there. So having an armed citizenry is a check against government, uh, abuse of power, even if no shots are fired,

it's a deterrent. But I think that, uh, they don't want to have that kind of mutual assured destruction. I think they believe that, you you know they can survive this in their deep underground bunkers and they can pretty much take us out they don't have to worry about you know the firearm competition that type of thing but let me go back to something you said there you said you don't necessarily want for light you don't want a candle it's going to use up some oxygen things like that what what type of thing would you suggest i mean uh an old style, flashlight or something like that. Since a lot of the now are incandescent, you know, it's questionable when you get down to small flashlights, uh, led that are in an aluminum or metal case, there's a good

probability they will still work. Most what I say and that people know is theory yeah and with all of this they know that some of this actually that will function the way they they don't somewhere somebody's tested flashlights i'm sure in it with led bulbs but uh it in a worst case condition. And I've got this in the civil defense manual. You can get a six to 12 hour light by taking a can of tuna with oil, poking a hole in the center of the top of the lid, finding a piece of cotton or thread and forcing it down to the bottom and letting the oil wake up and light that now that's not as as oxygen uh will not consume as much oxygen as a candle burning wood but it'll give you some type of light uh you know I don't know how people would spend that time you know whether you'd be sleeping i imagine the mental trauma from all of this is going to make a lot of people actually uh

very depressed over all of this stuff so maybe they would sleep i don't know i don't think that's going to happen i think people are going to be on edge another thing you may want to get in there is a radio that's going to give you some kind of updates from the national emergency radio broadcast system uh you know there's endless thing you can put some of this stuff into some kind of a faraday cage as well right um yes radio and an led flashlight or something like that i've got a cheap i've got two of them but i've got two uh garbage cans that i've converted to faraday cages i show how to do this in the book also great uh that's that is a critical component to me because i have uh the belief that rather than to kill a whole bunch of people or, uh, do ground blasts or probably would be an EMP.

And I understand that, uh, there are Russian submarines in the Atlantic that have the capability and have these weapons on board. Uh, so, and that would happen so quickly, there would be no defense against that. I mean, all we have to do is just shoot it off and it gets to altitude and, so, and that would happen so quickly, there would be no defense against that. I mean, all we have to do is just shoot it off and it gets to altitude and, uh, and detonates. You're done, you know? And yeah. And I understand there was recently about two months ago, I had one of my sources tell me that there was a missile launch somewhere around the Bahamas that came from a russian submarine and it flew the east

coast up towards greenland newfoundland i think they self-destructed the thing but i think it was a warning uh i don't uh i can't tell you who told me this but i i've got a lot of contacts with people, and I have a tendency to believe that this did happen. But an EMP, even though it would put us in a stone age, wouldn't immediately kill a bunch of people and destroy cities and manufacturing areas and military bases it would not be that uh provocative but it would be very very deadly uh as the days go on that's right and uh yeah just destroy the infrastructure and leave it to the people to destroy each other that's really that that's basically what would happen i mean it'd be it'd be survival by the most barbarous methods you can imagine. I also tell people, don't live in doom and gloom about this. Get some preparation done.

And then relax and enjoy your family. Again, you know, food and water, medicines, a portable latrine of some type, garbage bags for it, a lid for it. Keep your water, get it all in the center of your house, uh, before fallout comes and, uh, you'll walk out of your house. I think over 99% of people in a fallout would survive if they do this, but there doesn't seem to be a lot of interest in, uh, federal agencies to educate anybody in this.

There's none that I really know. No, they don't do anything. They, they, and this is the way it's been from the very beginning. There's a book called Raven rock and the subtitle was how the government plans to defend itself and let the rest of us die. You know, and it talks about the deep underground bases and stuff, but also, you know, there was a place close to where we used to live in North Carolina. They called it big hole.

And at the very beginning of that book, uh, it talks about that. It was an AT&T facility and how they had these AT&T facilities that were deep underground. They had them on a shock absorbing. Everything was there, the plumbing and everything was on, uh, you know, shock absorbing stuff to make sure that didn't rupture. And, um, and they still had that thing active when we were there, they told everybody it was an active, but one day my wife and kids decided out of curiosity to go down the road to see big hole. And as they're going down the road, came over the speakers, you're in a secure area, turn around and go back. So it's like, Oh like oh okay i thought they told everybody this thing was done but it's not done

and they're still there so you know they have that type of thing and um uh the uh you're right we don't need to worry about it we but we can prepare you know it's like everything in life we all know that ultimately we're going to die uh but that but we need to enjoy life while we're here and we need to prepare for what is going to, there's going to be a catastrophic situation with all of us where we got to stand before God one day. So, you know, think about that, prepare about that right now. That's the ultimate preparation that you need to do. Uh, you know, the fact you're going to stand before God, but, um, yeah, if you're okay with that, then, uh, you know, make some preparations,

but enjoy living. And that's, that's the key thing about it. And it can be an enjoyable thing to make those types of preparations. Just like you can enjoy yourself when you do any kind of work, um, and create any type of thing. And so you're, you're thinking about building something and creating something as a way. I think people ought to approach it. Yeah. Uh, again, people cannot let this type of thing consume them. They have to understand just what you said. Enjoy your family, but there's a word that goes in front of that, prepare.

Yes. If they don't prepare, and I think the vast majority of Americans, I see older people, all they're interested in doing is going to wine tasting festival rebuilding a 1960s muscle car driving around trying to imagine that they're 18 years old again uh they're they're not interested in even in hearing hearing this stuff but the probability to me is something happening is is of something uh absolutely uh would be unimaginable for people uh you and i are talking about uh they they just don't want to uh they don't want to look at the reality of things that's right that's right yeah and so you want to prepare to make sure that it reminds me of the joke uh the guy says uh i want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather

not screaming in terror like the rest of the people in his car you know so you want to make sure that i always laugh when i hear that not screaming like the passengers that's right so you know. So, you know, uh, instead of, you know, while you're collecting seashells,

you might want to also collect some canned goods and some other things and a little bit of information while you're doing that. Yes. And I've got a great recipe for something called pemmican, uh, which people can make in their kitchen. Uh, you could live on this stuff for,

well, the Indians lived on it all winter uh it's it's an con it it was created by the cree and the micmac indians up in uh around the northern border of the united states and canada and they made this to survive when they couldn't fish and i've got a great reference uh, by the way, people should not be cooking in these areas when they get into these areas either. Don't try to start a fire. Don't try to cook food, canned food.

You'll get by for 48 hours, uh, possibly a little longer than that but you will survive and uh the pemmican if you make a batch of this pemmican it'll get you through this you know it's uh the water that's something everybody should be collecting while they can collect it in cases of bottled water get all this stuff in the middle of your house shut your hvac system off like you say electric will probably be off but uh uh sit the thing out everybody uh can survive probably with the exception of uh people in the fireball area which is two and a half roughly two and a half miles uh don't look at the explosion. It's like a thousand tons of magnesium flares.

Have you ever seen a magnesium flare go off? You know what I mean? That's bright, bright white light. Oh yeah. And, uh, people can survive this. It's, it's, it's quite simple. Yeah. So, and you know, it's interesting, Jack, as we're having this discussion and as we

see this Ukrainian thingian thing this this madness that's going on with the military industrial complex pushing and pushing uh there's movie that's coming out uh about um oppenheimer and the creation of the um of the bomb and um uh nolan who who directed this said, as people are coming out, it's really quiet. And he said it's something of a horror film, you know, that this really kind of comes across. And that really truly is the case. One of the things I look at are these maps, and I have no idea if they're accurate or not. And, of course, even if the maps of what they think would be targets for enemies to nuke in the country, even if that is accurate.

Who knows if their missiles are accurate? You don't really know. I'm sure their missiles are accurate. Yeah, yeah. And another problem we have, in addition to a 60-year-old arsenal, is these hypersonic weapons that we've utterly failed at. They've built them tested them they failed but the russians and chinese have developed these things and it will defeat any kind of system

as far as a delivery vehicle for nuclear weapon if it gets into ground burst uh these things will get through and And they have multiple warheads. I mean, while we were trying to disarm everybody, the other side was developing multiple warhead, faster reentry vehicles, and better and more efficient weapons. And unfortunately, we are where we are, but people don't have to, uh, live in doom, duck cover, uh, cover your ears with your thumbs, your eyes with your other fingers, uh, get in the center of your house after the blast has gone by and hunker down.

You know, it was an interesting thing. Um remember the story about Mazda and how they survived. They were a going concern really even before they got into manufacturing cars. They had some other type of equipment that they were making. But they were there in Hiroshima. And they wound up surviving because they were on the other side of the mountain from where the bomb hit, you know, even though it was pretty close. And so they were kind of in the shadow blast-wise of that mountain. And so there's a lot of different things like that.

That might be why you want to take a look at the map and see where the different targets are and see how that relates and see if there's any natural barriers there. But key thing is don't look out. And also, you know, when we talk about this, the chapter that we've just been talking about, that's available for free at a civil defense manual.com along with the one on water, the two key things right there, Jack has made that available for free. Uh, the stuff about Pemmican, uh, detailed instructions on how to

make that yourself. And, uh, that is something that, you know, we have natural disasters all the time. As you're talking about making sure you got water stashed away for this. I grew up in Florida. And so every time there was a hurricane warning or people were worried about that would always fill up the bathtub, things like that. Right. So, you know, used to setting, setting aside water and storing water for some kind of a natural disaster. But, um, it's not always going to, you know, we're not always going to have that kind of advanced notice. And so that's the key thing to prepare a lot of this stuff in advance.

And I've got a lot of preparation. I've got to say, if you fill a bathtub up, tape the drain, because most people's drains a good share of them. Don't won't bathtub won't hold water, but get it out of their most bathrooms on the outside of a house so you're gonna have uh radioactivity water by itself even if it's softened has has uh sodium in it if it's unsoftened it has calcium and magnesium these are particles that the radioactive uh gamma rays will attach themselves so that becomes radioactive if you get uh out afterwards wait a

week before you drink any uh or try to use any salt water because the half-life of of radioactive salt water is five days so wait for a week before you use it because any any substance in the air, in the water, that is other than oxygen, carbon dioxide, the nuclear radiation will attach itself. That's really important. And that's the kind of detail that you've got in your books. You know, like I put water in the bathtub, but you've got the information about be careful. You know, if you're doing water softening or something like that, you're going to have some sodium in there, maybe some potassium, depending on what you use to soften your water. That's going to be there. And the radiation is going to attach itself to those types of particles.

That's why the information that you've got in Civil Defense Manual is really first quality in terms of detail. Yeah, David, and real quick, I think before this election, you're probably going to see another pandemic at some point. In addition to everything else that goes on, I've got a chapter on how to survive biological infectious disease and the protective equipment needed. It's got stuff you can buy. It's got stuff you can make. And I think that,

uh, when this comes, it's probably going to be something that isn't as nice as the last one. Yeah. Yeah. It might be the real thing this time. Maybe we need something protection from a pathogen, not just from politicians. So it's always great talking to you,

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