The David Knight Show - INTERVIEW The Ghost Gun Myth

Episode Date: October 13, 2023

What is it like to 3D print a gun? Is it untraceable? Cheaper or more expensive?The technical and legal issues and a look at where it goes from here with Jason Barker, TheKnightsOfTheStorm.comFind out more about the show and where you can watch it at TheDavidKnightShow.comIf you would like to support the show and our family please consider subscribing monthly here: SubscribeStar https://www.subscribestar.com/the-david-knight-showOr you can send a donation throughMail: David Knight POB 994 Kodak, TN 37764Zelle: @[e-mail] App at: $davidknightshowBTC to: bc1qkuec29hkuye4xse9unh7nptvu3y9qmv24vanh7For 10% off Gerald Celente's prescient Trends Journal, go to TrendsJournal.com and enter the code KNIGHTBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-david-knight-show--2653468/support.

Happiness. We all know what it feels like, but sometimes it doesn't come easy. I'm Garvey Bailey, the host of Happy Enough, a new podcast from The Globe and Mail about our pursuit of happiness. We know people want to live more fulfilling and positive lives, but how do we actually do that? Is there a happiness code to crack? From our relationship with technology to whether money can really buy you happiness, we'll hear from both real people and experts to demystify this thing we're all searching for and hopefully find ways to be happy enough. You can find Happy Enough wherever you listen to podcasts. All right, joining us now is Jason Barker.

It's great to have Jason on. And Jason's been a regular listener. You see him in the chat areas there, along with Angry Tiger. The two of them set up Nights of the Storm. They've got a website, The Nights of the Storm. And they have been real active in terms of setting up a community. And so you can go there and you can see schedules for a lot of different programs. You can see Guards, Liberty, Conspiracy, many programs that are out there. They've got the schedule on a daily basis.

And, of course, the two of them not only have the joint program, but they each have individual programs. And Jason's is the foxhole, and he's also got a sub stack. And, Jason, I saw these articles uh 3d printers and ghost guns i thought they were excellent and i think it's something that a lot of people need to know about because as we start to look at what is going to be happening in the future i think it's it's very important uh beyond even the ghost gun issues and and what the government's reaction is to it. But it's also important, I think, for people to understand maybe the 3D printer.

We might need this to be able to print a lot of different things on our own. Who knows what the future holds. But thank you for joining us. Again, Jason Barker. Thank you, Jason. Good to be here, David. And real quick, I just wanted to extend greetings from Angry Tiger. I talked to him this morning. I wasn't sure if he was going to be on with me or not i saw he was cc'd on the uh email so i contacted him and for some reason he didn't get your email oh i've had that happen

too you were talking about free speech earlier and i've had your emails go straight to my trash oh okay it doesn't happen that often i think i made an exception for it now but uh just another way they censor us okay well yeah we would love to have had uh angry tiger and we will in the future of course angry tigers also got his uh tiger and snake report a financial report that he does as well uh but tell us a little bit about your experience with the 3d printer you got a series of articles on substack and you first you talk about you know the nuts and bolts really of calibrating the printer and all that but then you start to get into some of the gun issues with it but but tell us a little bit about your experience just in general with a 3d printer because i think people will have other uses for this over and above a

gun i mean it's a legitimate use but there's a lot of legitimate uses for 3d printers tell us a little bit about your experience oh absolutely um i've made all kinds of trinkets toys um recently i you know what a ring camera is right i've got a blink because the blink doesn't require me to have a monthly subscription to be tied to to something um you know after your initial free one runs runs out then you can just run it and save your videos on your computer at home. And I made a nice little holder for it where it fits up real nice in the wall. A lot of utilitarian things you could do with a 3d printer. And, um, you know, what got me into the ghost gun thing was I'm looking at this, uh, this attack specifically on the polymer 80, um, pistol, and it is a non-serialized kit you can buy online.

And, you know, I was like, well, you don't need to do that. You could just 3D print it. So where I see this going in the future when it comes to gun control is that they'll start regulating 3D printers and it'll take that, you know, that valuable tool that we have that we can use for making replacement parts for your car, all kinds of stuff that'll be heavily regulated in the future if we don't nip it in the bud let me interject here you're talking about little things that you did my son likes to he's got a 3d printer he's got a he's worked with a couple of them over the years he did this little stand for the coin that you did the david knight coin that we use here. And, of course, we ship that if anybody buys the coin now.

But he's done a lot of things. You can find a lot of stuff that people have done that are very simple, you know, like to take lids off of jars. There are very simple things like that, but it's just kind of fun to print up some of this stuff, and some of them are very useful. And so some of it's decorative some of it has some uh functionality but there's all kinds of things that you can do with it i think it's going to be very important in the future in terms of

being able to keep your vehicles running being able to get car parts off of that kind of stuff of course they'll also come after us for fuel uh but assuming that you can get the fuel somehow and maybe you will need to have a 3d printer to be able to print some of the things you need to do for for the fuel as well but you know and of course you know they'll arrest you on the road for having a vehicle on the road but if you you got some kind of an off-road vehicle or something like that you want to keep it running you probably have to 3d print your own parts i mean we're going to see a lot of things like this you might want to 3d print your stuff that you're using to grow your own food,

some things that would help you with that. But, yeah, tell us a little bit about the calibration experience. You got one that was kind of a low-priced printer, and you were able to get this thing working. What was involved in it? A lot of tinkering, I imagine, right? Well, the printer I got, it's an – you can see it kind of – I don't know if you can see it behind me, but it's Ender 3 Neo.

Ender 3 Neo is made by Creality. And you can get it for under $200. I think I paid $165 for mine. And right out of the box, it was great. They give you a couple little test files to print to make sure it works and everything. And it worked great. The problem came down to when i started printing parts that needed to fit together and the learning curve is so steep so steep like you've got to

watch all these videos and uh you know print inside walls before outside walls and layer thicknesses and to get a functional part that you know like that like with a 3d printed gun right so that's what kind of i really wanted to get into it and and kind of dispel the myth that you could just go buy a printer and start cranking out guns um it's it was very difficult i found a series of videos i put them a separate sub stack uh article i wrote on just calibrating the printer and it'll kind of run you through uh the steps and take about an hour or two hours something like that and it'll kind of run you through uh the steps and take about an hour two hours something like that and then you'll have something you could print functional parts with

so that was the first challenge i had uh was getting the printer to actually print correctly um yeah and it's a very slow process you point out yeah it took you 18 hours to print one thing and i know my son has done that as well and he's printed some interesting things with like uh you know something's got like a little ball that's freely rotating inside of it you know you can do some amazing stuff with it uh but you know you have the problem that it takes a long time to do it and maybe you get a power interruption or maybe you know the the thing comes uh loses its its uh stickiness and contact with a uh with with a base there and now the whole print is is rained and it keeps going and wasting material.

So there's a lot of practical issues and learning curve with it, as you pointed out. Oh yeah. And then depending on the material, cause there's a variety of materials and even who manufactures the material plays a big role. And, and how much is going to squirt out the nozzle and stuff like that. And what you're talking about,

the stickiness that is the worst problem I have is that first layer layer adhesion and if it doesn't stay stuck to that bed you could be five hours into a print and it'll curl up on you yeah and that's that's okay that's frustrating isn't it yeah all that time invested yeah uh so um but you finally got it working and you calibrated it and you point out that you know especially the cheaper printers don't really come calibrated from the factory so you had to do a lot of tinkering with it uh in order to get the thing you know calibrated properly it print some test uh things initially but to really do anything it took a lot of tinkering with it yeah like i said the learning curve is very steep um it was a lot more i've been interested in 3d printing for about 10 years and i actually bought a kit uh years ago but they didn't really have any um off the shelf ones you could buy

you had to like put them together yourself unless you had like five thousand dollars to spend right that's what my son did too this first one was a kit that he put together yeah that's what i did with my first computer you know you couldn't afford the computer so i i built my first computer from a kit you know so yeah and uh but you know they're they're pretty good now they come out they're going to print like i said you're just printing some uh some trinkets some toys uh you know a vase a pencil holder it's going to work fine not the box but you know you start trying to get the accurate parts um and especially when it comes to 3d gun printing that's why i said this is bogus this is bogus what they tell us that i can go just print a gun and another bogus part is you know they want

to pretend like it's all plastic and you can get through metal detectors completely bogus this is this is my slide for my glock that's all metal everything in here is metal um if i were to print this out of plastic it would explode in my face even with a nine millimeter round that's based off of defense distributed a few years ago he's kind of the guy who spearheaded this 3d gun printing so Wilson yeah yes he printed a monstrous thing called the Liberator it held one shot of a 380 smaller uh shorter nine mil it was monstrously thick and i know why he called it the liberator because we actually airdropped the liberator pistol on i forget what country it was during the war and uh telling the people that you need to be

armed because that was going to help us in our war effort to have people armed and it was i believe it was a 380 as well have you ever heard of that uh no i haven't no yeah it was like we just made a single shot um pistol mass produced him as like stamp metal and we just airdropped him for the people to have because they weren't allowed to have guns and so you know we recognized back then that it was important for you know people to be armed for the populace to be armed to fight tyranny. But we don't do it for ourselves. We're trying to take it away from ourselves. Exactly.

Yeah. Speaking of which. We want you to resist your government, but we don't want anybody to resist us. Yeah, I wanted to talk about this because part of this is they talk about weapons of war and why do you need this and why do you need that? Well, I don't know what about the police have you seen the SWAT team yeah that's right they're wearing the same gear that I wore in Afghanistan yeah same weapons same gear um a lot of times better better weapons and I did I did a quick search this morning and we're talking about weapons of war right

I look to see how many like basically armed people we have that operate internally in the u.s because the u.s thinks that its job is to protect us from ourselves that's not true the purpose of the government is to protect our rights and then when it comes to defense it's people who invade us yes but you know when you go out looking for enemies abroad um then there are no more there then you create them yeah right yeah and then when we look internally we're looking for enemies internally and whenever they're not there they create them like war on drugs uh war on you name it you know war on education that's right but i did some number looking and uh the police this is in 2002. we had 708 000 full-time police officers 35 000 uh full-time fbi 21 and a half thousand cia 79 000 full-time irs employees that is a total and now granted not all the irs

employees are armed there's about 10 000. yeah but it's going to go up significantly because they're going to make it five times bigger. The Republican saved us. I were there. Democrat is going to make it seven times bigger, but they, yeah. So, you know, to put it in context, that's 843,000 total standing army. That's what it is. Focused inward to the citizens.

And in 2021, the year prior, we only had 482,000 active duty army. Wow. So we had almost twice as many standing army, because they're armed, in the U.S. looking inward for an enemy to destroy. That's right. And that's what it is. It's a standing army. It's what the founders warned us about is a standing army. Yeah.

It is. And this war on ghost guns um where i see it going is they started with this and i'll show it this is the polymer 80 right um i have one um stephan he's also a listener he has one he'll tell you it doesn't go together as easy as you think for me it was pretty easy i had the tools and the know-how um i got mine operational pretty quick but he's been working on his for like a month and it's still hanging up and you said that it was uh besides all the the effort to put it together it was uh pretty expensive uh compared to even just going out and buying the the new uh part that would use to uh make your own you know going out and buying a

new glock you know putting this stuff together was very expensive oh yeah i spent 650 700 on that on that easy to get a gun that criminals would go after come on i can get that same gun on the streets for 100 bucks 200 bucks and i could buy a brand new from a pawn shop you know or a gun shop for about you know 500 600 tops for that same uh same pistol so the idea that it's cheap that it's easy um no it's not and then if you're going to 3d print your own um i got some numbers here what was it i got a total of 647 dollars into the other one i did an ar platform uh one that i built that shoots 22 long rifle. Cause I don't want it to blow up on me. It's a tiny round.

Uh, but yeah, you've got a picture in your, uh, in your sub stack there of, uh, you know, what the typical round would be versus a small one that you went with. Cause again, you know, where you're talking about, uh, something that is plastic. And even though the internal, uh, uh, core of this is going to be metal uh it's still going to be stressing that plastic so you don't want to blow up yeah there's moving parts and um you know there's stress points i think the the area if you if you're familiar with an ar platform the area that the buffer tube screws into was when the early days of printing these ars um that would snap so they have to modify the model they have to thicken it model they have to thicken it

up they have these different materials some people will get metal inserts to go in there it's it's not as easy as they make it sound and uh and and the time the time uh 141 hours of printing time 141 hours uh it's remarkable that you could go that long without losing uh the the first layer contact there yeah well i mean it was piece by piece yeah right all the pieces um i didn't have any failed prints uh i did have some problems putting it together um that's another thing the the models out there and this is a strategy that's been used so if i go out there you can find a million and one ar style 3d models that you can then 3d print unfortunately the ones that work are off the internet they're gone yeah they have flooded the internet with bad models to frustrate you and take

your time and waste your material yes um because we've got a lot of people we've got 840 some odd people and a thousand uh people that would do this of, so there's a significant number of them that would be their job to do that. Just flood it with garbage. CAD sites. But it was, I won't say where it was hosted, but I found an kind of an unusual place where, you know, they do videos and stuff, but they can also host files. So somebody was sneaky with that and I was able to get it. And even that one, it's been proven.

People have, I've seen videos where people test fired them, you know, put them together. Still, everything didn't match up quite right. I had to like mill some plastic out and I had to modify some things. Almost incriminated myself because I built it as a pistol, small package, and I have a pistol brace.

Getting ready to put it together. And I found out that the pistol brace rules had changed. So, I mean, and that's the danger of any kind of gun control. It just changed definitions and make you into a felon. And then by default, you can't own a gun anymore. Yeah. So, and we talked about that. Uh, I think it was tiger and I might've talked about this in the Fox hole is, uh, if they

can't stop someone from selling you a gun, what they can do is take away the rights of people to own guns. We talked about the three felonies a day all that stuff i mean well of course we saw what trump as he went down that south carolina show and they said hey look you know we got a pistol here with your face on the butt appropriate place to put his face right uh and uh oh i want to buy that and everybody's like you can't you're an indicted felon you're not a convicted felon right you take the guns and do the due process later. I thought that was kind of poetic justice, but that is our, uh, you know, that is our system. And if somebody gets a felony, even if it's not a violent felony or anything like that, you lose your ability to own a gun. And so, uh, that, that is, you're right. That is a part of the trap. If they can't get the guns away from people, they can, um, if they can't stop people from having guns in general, they can take it away from individuals one at a time with their excessive rules.

And they just make this stuff up. You know, the, the pistol brace thing, uh, that was something that Trump did after he did the bump stock ban. And he kept that going until December of 2020 started in 2019. And, uh, they were pushing that through and then he stopped it in December of 2020. Started it in 2019, and they were pushing that through, and then he stopped it in December of 2020, and then Biden pulled it in there again to do that. So, you know, he doesn't respect the Second Amendment,

and he doesn't respect the idea that if you're going to infringe on it, you ought to at least have elected representatives. I mean, that's been the way it's been done in the past. No, we'll let the bureaucracy do it. We'll do it by executive order. That is, it truly is amazing tell me a little bit though about you know talk to people about how the 3d printer printing differs from the type of thing where you would get an 80 percent uh lower and you would finish it up yourself how does it differ from that okay and this is the heart of the debate right now. Um, it's like I said, this polymer 80, um, or if you already get an aluminum, uh, 80%,

they are lower what it is. It's mostly complete, but the area that houses the trigger assembly is not yet complete. So it's unable to receive the device in which fires the actual round. And that's the controlled part of the weapon is the lower, right? The whatever houses that trigger assembly. It's not that hard to complete them, but you got to have the tools. You got to have the know-how. This one, in my opinion, was really easy.

And I can see why they would use this as the test subject. You've got to drill a few holes. You've got to cut out a little piece of plastic. Very, very easy to do. But this isn't dangerous. You know how I know that they know it's not dangerous? Because you can still buy them. They just have to be serialized.

It comes down to tracking and tracing. And that's what I wanted to talk about was this was the target right now, this Polymer 80. They call this the ghost gun. But if you look historically a ghost gun is anything that they cannot track to you currently it could be and then you'll see them going after this they're going after private sales they're going after this so-called mythological gun show loophole homemade guns of any kind if you have a gun that has a serial number filed off that's a felony well i mean it's my it's my equipment

what what other item is there out there that you can't just file a serial number off and it's okay yeah yeah or remove the tag from your mattress you know yeah that'll be a felony pretty soon and what they'll do is they'll they'll use the terms common sense common sense it's too close to a completed gun it should be regulated like other guns guns that's the argument they're making i would argue that there is no constitutionality and regulation of firearms at all i agree uh but people will be like okay it doesn't affect me and this is the problem this is we're gonna see this with free speech we're gonna see this with everything in our lives it doesn't affect me okay but then they start broadening terms just like they did with the national firearms act there was a very few items that were on that list and over the years they've broadened it

and broadened it and and eventually it will affect you and nobody will be there to protect you that's what it affects you so i'm going after it now i'm going after it um i would like to see the nfa repealed completely yes um and here's the real kicker about the nfa it's based on the interstate commerce clause uh that's how they enforce it that's their mechanism of enforcement and i've got this up real quick oh you, you know, that's interesting, too. You know, the National Firearms Act, we're talking about the FDR version of this that was based on the Commerce Act, right? And so, you know, they had that same action. They put out price controls for agricultural stuff. And a guy says, well, I'm growing this, whatever it was, corn or whatever.

I'm growing this in my state. I'm not selling it to anybody else. Oh, no, that's regulated under that. And they also use the Commerce Clause to try to justify prohibition of every drug. The entire drug war is now based on that, which is an obvious lie because the Commerce Clause was always there. And everybody agreed that they had to have the 18th Amendment to prohibit alcohol. So we all know that's a lie. We all know that's a prevarication that the text doesn't mean that that everybody in america knew that it didn't mean that but then they uh you know they come after guns they come

after regulation of food as well as regulation of firearms by pretending that it's a commerce clause and again it turns the commerce clause upside down because the commerce clause was there to prevent inhibition of commerce you know and and so it was to keep a free trade within the united states to say well one state is not going to be able to restrict commerce across state lines or in another state and that's exactly though how they're using it they've perverted the purpose 180 degrees away from what it was supposed to do. Well, when they took the clause, which was, you know, regulating is more for foreign. You know, that's how the federal government could get their money through tariffs and stuff like that. That's how they were funded.

They didn't take it from their people. But when they did the Interstate Commerce Act of 1887, that was geared towards the railroad industry because they went there's commerce going across state lines but my question is when it comes to gun control or anything else for that matter texas is fighting this battle with suppressors uh if i create it i make it for personal use there's no commerce going on and and especially if it doesn't leave the state, what authority do you have under your own law to regulate? You don't. Yeah, yeah. You know, and I mean, the Interstate Commerce Act, which is kind of how they, you know, they kind of enforce the gun control.

It's not meant for that anyway. So instead of picking apart little things like, oh, this gun or that gun or a pistol brace or a bumpster, let's get to the root of the matter. And so you don't have the authority to do this in the first place. That's right. You don't. You never did. Sorry, I'm ranting here. Oh, no, I agree.

I don't know. You know, all these candidates now, it's fashionable for them to say, well, here's the different bureaucracies I get rid of. I don't know any of them talking about getting rid of the ATF. Right. You know, come come on start with them I such a target rich environment when you start talking about shutting down unconstitutional agencies almost all of them but you know I really don't see anybody coming after that and it's all just pretend and hypocrisy anyway because you know you look at these guys that Reagan was going to shut down the department of education that had just been created in that election year 1980 that never did it you had rick perry who said um well i've got three agencies i'm going to shut down he couldn't remember the

third one it was the department of energy and that's the one that trump appointed him to run so yeah i mean it's all a bunch of lies it's just amazing well yeah and if we're waiting for a savior like the nra or these other gun groups it's not going to happen and i'll tell you why uh with the pistol brace and this is where i almost tripped myself up on this build was i had a pistol brace to go on it i ended up having to design a different piece to plug the rear um so that it doesn't even have the tube sticking out you could do that with the 22 long rifle conversion you can't do it with a standard ar setup but i was able to do that well i thought we were good because the the pistol brace band went into a moratorium there's moratorium on it because they didn't give the public enough time to debate it but i got to reading closer and a couple of scholars that i watch

online that they really are into this stuff that's where i get a lot of my up-to-date stuff it only applied so you can keep your pistol brace but it only applied to those gun groups that filed the lawsuit if you were a member before so now you've got americans all over this country that think that they're okay right now with their pistol brace but they're not and that's another way to trip you up and turn you into a felon. Well, you know what they did here in Tennessee? Senator Nicely told me, he said, yeah, we saw this coming. And so we did it in two steps.

You know, first of all, we said that if something is legal in Tennessee, the federal government cannot make it illegal. And then he said, and then we specifically made the pistol braces legal so it's a different situation here we got some good people in tennessee that's ingenious yeah well i mean and that goes to show how these these gun advocate groups will not help you they're in there i mean why would you solve the gun control problem and put yourself out of business exactly the nri has no and we're seeing that now with a pro-life groups right these pro-life groups that have jumped in here as soon as the supreme court said no it's not a federal issue it's a state issue according to the 10th amendment which i was saying all along and as

soon as that happened you got all these different candidates you got people like pence and trump and you know so many of them uh say we need to make this a federal issue and they're supported with all of these uh federal or these national uh pro-life movement groups which want to get their issue back it took that issue away from them yeah and so they well yeah they need the wedge issues they'll never be solved abortion won't be solved gun control won't be solved immigration won't be solved and they're constantly giving us wedgies aren't they yeah but yeah i mean if if it comes down to like okay you can have these items we're gonna we're gonna give you permission to observe your god-given rights uh we're gonna give you the permit but you have to be a member of one of these organizations to

do it well that's another tax isn't it oh yeah that's right it really is and any permit uh is uh is a privilege it's not a right and so you know all this stuff is is uh is rigged i got a couple of comments i want to give to you here uh paleo armory says a ghost gunner cnc machine is superior i don't want a plastic gun uh trump burger forever says polymer guns work just fine your comments about that of course the ghost gunner that is great um if i had the money i would get one you can actually go buy a block of aluminum it's just a block and they've actually deemed it a zero percent lower so i mean this is this is how insane it is david. They could criminalize owning a block of aluminum of aluminum, certain dimension, because it goes into this machine and it's basically CNC.

You put your bits in there and then it does all the driving around and it cuts it out. So it's a, not an additive. It's a subtractive. Yeah. Yeah. Subtractive method of creating it. And they've been around for a long time. I remember, you know, 40, 50 years ago, you know, one of the groups that I was interviewed with, they had their own CNC a long time i remember you know 40 50 years ago you know one of the groups that i was interviewed with they had their own um cnc machine for making stuff you know uh yeah and very expensive you know especially then uh but still expensive and if they pass this stuff and say okay you you have to register this you're gonna have to i mean think of the drone industry okay you used to be able to go buy a drone and fly it around now you got uh you know if you go above a certain height if you make money

with it like you have a side business uh you've got to get a license you've got to and granted it's pretty easy i remember when they did that a few years ago and it was like okay it's like 25 bucks to register it with us but if you don't register it with us and we catch you it's going to be 25 000 and it was so and it was a weight issue at the time as well and they did it just before christmas and uh and so all these people start saying what you know if i've got like a little paper drone here and that's that weight limit in other words you made this for all drones and it was an excessive fine you know that's the other part of it you know when, when you have these regulatory agencies, not only do we have a regulation without representation, uh, but we have excessive fines as well because they always have created, you know, it was, um, I think it was FAA that was doing it.

And you're just like, you've seen these excessive fines subsequent to that with people that wear the masks on a commercial airline plane or something. They're handing them out tens of thousand dollar fines as well. Yeah. And, uh, the problem with it is, is that, um, it's going to be become everything. Everything's going to have to be registered. Everything's going to, I mean, and, and it's really, when you think about registration, you talk about tracking and tracing of firearms of devices, you know, they want to know what device that you talked about, the computer, uh, computers and software, they want to know what device have you talked about the computer uh computers and software they want to know who's creating this content so they can regulate it they can stop it before it hits the internet yeah um it's it's going to come to everything and it's uh

i lost my train of thought but anyway we're talking about cnc stuff i mean talk about the difference between the cnc and the the plastic, you know, as, as, uh, people are talking about it. Um, you know, you still can, um, get a lot done with the, uh, the polymer guns that they, they are pretty tough. As you point out, some people in the past have, you know, it's got some stress points and people would reinforce those with metal and things like that. Uh, but yeah, you're, you're, it's largely, uh, uh, certainly, uh, uh, you know, an all metal one done with a CNC would be better, but it's going to be a lot more expensive.

And that's always the case, you know, when you trade off that you've got. Oh, oh yeah. Um, and then you've got to anodize it and there's, you know,

things you got to do, uh, to protect it. Um, but what I was going to get to, I got my train of thought back is, um, they always sell this stuff on protecting and they,

and they'll do it on the backs of children yeah they won't look into the ssris they won't look into the uh the breakup of the nuclear family uh the corrupt school system they won't look into any of that as a potential problem it's the gun right it's the gun we have to track the gun okay now we have to track the thing that can make the gun um and it and it's gotta be tied to you. It has to have a serial number. And then, so if I want to transfer it to someone else, uh, which you can't do with a homemade gun, it has to be destroyed.

When you die, you can't even transfer it to your children. That's how ridiculous it is. Is that right? I didn't know that. So if you, if you do a, you do an 80% lower and you build it all out, you've got to, that gun's got to be destroyed when you die. Yes. It cannot be transferred by law oh man i tell you what this is uh this is great yeah it's a bunch of traps isn't it it's a bunch of traps that they've laid for people uh and as we

see with a biden and hunter you know as many people said lots of regulations are like a spider web that traps the small gnats but the big bumblebees go right through it don't they yeah right well let's and let's talk about you know the big bumblebee because um on its face gun control uh was it the national firearms act came about after the saint saint valentine's day massacre and that was a mobster thing again you have government drug war thing yeah they created the problem with prohibition um that created Al Capone and other gangs and they those preferred type of weapons that they wanted to use uh is what they threw in there you know your Tommy guns um your short barreled shotguns and rifles for concealability that's why because people were

trench coats back then and they didn't want to have them concealed so now do you see people in the kind of clothing where sbr short barreled rifle is going to be concealed so why why is it still there that's right the point is that you know they created the problem you know when they ended prohibition you would think that they could take that away right no and here's the here's the real kicker it wasn't illegal to own any of those items it was a tax yes it was a 200 tax that's what everybody doesn't realize when they start talking about uh you know david koresh and the branch davidians you know they came after them because they had not paid a tax is what it was that you know yeah yeah well

here here's if the thing was really to stop al capone um which is kind of funny because if you look at saint saint valentine's day massacre um there's a lot of implication that the police were involved in that that they were getting retribution so it was kind of like something that they either set up or allowed to happen like a false flag and then they imposed the gun control but here's the thing if the point was to stop capone from uh buying these things well it didn't all it did was impose a tax and i and i did the numbers on i looked at the height of uh al capone's worth he could have still legally purchased 32 000 tommy guns so except we know that he didn't pay his taxes we know he didn't pay his taxes so that's how they ultimately

maybe that's how they ultimately got him. But I mean, is that really going to stop? Was that meant to stop him or was it meant to make it prohibitively expensive? For the everyday citizen. Cause a gun back then was 20 to 40 bucks. So, you know, you're talking about a thousand percent markup, 500,000% markup. Yeah. My son says the Valentine's day massacre quote unquote was a drive-by shooting they outlawed fully automatic guns and that stopped drive-by

shooting once and for all didn't it oh it sure didn't have that anymore you know it's interesting when you talk about the short barreled rifle i've talked about this many times uh you look at the miller case this is a guy who was uh they, they came after him after that, uh, you know, it came after him for having a two, a sawed off shotgun and he had a criminal record and, you know, there was other things involved in it. Like they try to set people up, but he actually died before the case got to the Supreme court and they continued on with it. Anyway, it should have been a moot case, right? But they continued on with it anyway without anybody arguing the other side to push that whole thing through. So, you know, very, very dubious.

And, of course, they used the sawed-off shotgun trap to get at Randy Weaver and other things like that. And that's the way you see this stuff happening all the time. I got some other comments here. Let me run to you, Jason. Sobogus says, 3d printing isn't great for manufacturing it's just really cheap and easy any machine shop has everything having a three-axis milling machine and lathe allows you to make anything adding cnc to a mill isn't a huge expense the mill is the big expense yeah yeah 100 and if i had the money i would own a metal lathe a good size metal lathe and a mill um i definitely i've seen this uh video it's a

six or seven part video this lady um she made her own like old western revolver from scratch using a mill and a lathe made the barrel made the the cylinder all that stuff really really cool stuff um but the 3d and that's one thing that that's a good point 3d printer is fast and cheap you know it takes a long time to print but still relatively fast and cheap and the other side of that argument people will say well you know you could 3d print in metal now yeah you got 20 000 a year to lease a machine you know to make a gun i can go get for a hundred bucks off the street like seriously argument that's true and and and uh you know they're not to the same quality as as a forged piece of steel or a you know milled out aluminum uh the way if you look into how they do it um there's a lot of resins and stuff that hold that

stuff together so it's not going to be nearly as strong. Mm. Mm. Uh, we've got another question here. Chad Warren said, could you buy a 3d printer and have a business like how you see cell phone repair?

Well, that's an interesting idea. Yeah. You could, there's a lot of different things that you could do with it, you know, and, and,

you know, if you were talented in terms of doing, um, 3d stuff, I mean, you can make some little tools and implements and things that might compliment what you want to do at home. Um, you know, if you were talented in terms of doing 3D stuff, I mean, you can make some little tools and implements and things that might complement what you want to do at home. You know, that's the key thing. And, of course, as you point out, it's getting materials.

You know, that would be one of the things that they would probably, like you point out, outlaw a 0% lower. You know, you won't be able to buy an aluminum block or something. You can do the same thing with the 3D printed stuff. But you mentioned Cody Wilson earlier, and he put this out directly as a challenge, and they took it to court, and they said they tried to outlaw the instructions on how to do it. And so he said that's a First Amendment issue, and the courts agreed with him on that. They also reached out to the uh because he was leasing the printers and by the way he was using like industrial printers this wasn't something that

he had a you know home kit that he put together this was an actual professional machine because back then you know to get a decent quality product you had to have a several thousand dollar a year lease machine they actually went contacted the company of course that's what the government does right they use industry to enforce their edicts and they they canceled his lease on that machine there's a really long documentary on on uh defense distributed that i don't know if it's still out there on the internet but it goes through the whole story and of course they i guess he had some past history that they try the character assassination next yeah you know yeah i had some accusations about uh sexual harassment or rape or something like that which is again you look at it and you can cynically say well is this the julian assange tactic you know that they're coming after

somebody with yeah and again uh i don't think they they were able to get a conviction on that so that's that's probably what the case was yeah and you know the like the way they did it they took away his machines or they had the industry take away the machines and i guess he got other machines from somewhere else but they like to use these choke points and you talk about it all the time yeah the choke point and if the if the 3d printer uh is they can't regulate the 3d, then the choke point will be the material that you buy for it. I mean, even just the idea of going through a background check at a gun store is a choke point of sorts. And they're using a private business to enforce it.

That's right. And I remember back in Obama's 2012 or so, 2011, 2012, when all the ammo was gone and you couldn't find ammo it was crazy expensive and i and i asked my friends i said okay we're in the military and we know law enforcement uses the same weapons platforms we do which are weapons of war they want to say right two two three right not two two three rather a nato five five six round nine millimeter uh 40 45 there's only a handful of calibers because they standardize it right they standardize all the weapon systems um that's why we have nato rounds so that we're using the same as our allies so why was it i couldn't find 22 long rifle how come i couldn't find 380 how come i couldn't find you name it uh and hollow points we're not allowed

to use hollow points so how come the hollow points were gone the government bought up all the ammo as a choke point to get people for buying it and i remember when they were doing that with obama he also um it was like i think it's fort drum if i remember correctly in new york uh and they were a part of you know the military cells recycled brass out there and they just said we're not going to do that anymore. And they started crushing it and selling the crushed scrap metal to China at a fraction of what they could have resold the, you know, the recycled brass for. Oh, yeah. that's typical in the army that when you go to a range, you know, say you fire 20,000 rounds with, you know, your whole unit,

you've got to go pick up all that brass and turn it in and they weigh it. So number one, they don't want people pocketing rounds and taking it home. Cause it is a common round. But also, you know, they don't, don't really want you reloading it either.

So if you don't come in at a certain weight on your spent brass, they won't let you turn it in. You got to go out there and, you know, hands across America looking for. It doesn't matter. I think you'd be all like 10 years old and nasty. You just got to make that weight. But yeah, that's something that they do. And I'm surprised I watched a pretty good documentary on the military had its own ammo producing facilities.

So it makes no sense to get rid of the brass because you can just send it to your facility and make new rounds so i really don't get it yeah yeah they're up to something with that you mentioned as you're talking about it you said you know working on this thing is a real passion it's like the people who um the mechanic that uh you know fixes up a classic car or whatever or they set up a car for racing on the track or something like that. And, uh, and again, I think that when we look at the different issues with it, um, you know, when we learn skills, uh, that is something that is, is really vitally important. Uh, any skill that you use may be something that you could use as a barter and trade and that type of

thing. And, and I think any of these types of skills, once you learn 3d printing, I think it's got a lot of different uses that you could use and, you know, might wind up, you know,

doing things that, that would help to keep cars going, for example, or some, you know, temporary replacement parts. I mean, some of them are going to have really high heat and I'm not that familiar with the different plastics to know what uh what they

can really take but still um some of the comments we've got here jason um uh we've got risha m says will they pull another waco or ruby ridge over homemade guns i imagine if they get widespread enough and if they start improving they probably would would. I mean, they'll do it over anything. What do you think? They're already saying that specifically with this polymer 80 is reading articles on it. And they say that crime is on the rise. It's gone up, you know, 5000%. It's like, okay, so you had one used in a crime.

And then this year you had two used in a crime. I like to play with those numbers to make it seem like some kind of an epidemic right and i'm sure that they're hiring hobbyists of the mexican drug cartels too i get their ammunition stuff up right yeah they probably got a factory cranking these things out and then these fast and furious it over the border um so they can find them after crime's been committed and so it's the ghost gun it's the ghost gun that's right yeah narrowing their gate ministry says yes 200 tax stamp and the right for the government to knock on your door at 3 a.m. to inspect and search your home for weapons of automatic nature.

Yeah. That's it. It is always a trap. Always a way for them to assert themselves in our life. Radis Bro. Thank you for the tip. He says it's called Print the Legend. And in it, you learn a lot of these machine companies have ties to chuck schumer

wow that's interesting uh harps uh 338 lm thank you uh for the tip he says so we lost or gave up our firearms here in australia so uh what is this and um he's got a link to used guns.com.au so i don't know i can't see that link there but i see that it's coming out of australia so i don't He's got a link to used guns.com.au. So I don't know. I can't see that link there, but I see that it's coming out of Australia. So I don't know about that. Oh, he's got himself some firearms. You can find him on YouTube shooting some pretty beastly.

He's the kind of shooter that likes to reach out and touch something, you know, one K away. And that's another thing. Another argument they make is why do you need so many guns? Why do you need 10 guns? Why? Well, they're purpose-built, you know, I've got, um, I don't know, maybe six or seven ARs here. Uh, why do I need more than one AR? Well, I don't, if, if it's, if all I'm only shooting one round, uh, but I got one that's, uh, in three Oh eight, I got a 22 long rifle. I've got, uh, a five, five, six. Um, i've got one that's a shorter more of a home defense i got one with a longer barrel you know uh for for hunting if i want to hunt smaller game um there's lots of reasons and you know i i find out uh i find that it's none of your business how many guns i own

you know yeah oh yeah some people are collectors some people are hobbyists me i got so many ars uh in that particular kind of platform rather than buying a standard uh hunting style rifle because i like to build them i'm a tinkerer i love building things that's why i like the 3d printer i like to work on cars i do woodworking it's just a hobby for me you know well it's like uh you know uh the c40 organizations these these cities and it's now over 100 of them start out about 40 or so uh they make it their business to tell you how many articles of clothing you can buy in a year. You know, they want to make sure that you don't have more than three articles of clothing, that you don't eat any meat or dairy, that you don't have more than one trip under 1,000 miles every three years.

Whose business is that? Everything, as you're talking about these guns, is all really fundamentally about controlling and watching and surveilling everything that we do and uh and that is why it's so troubling as i was saying before you know you came on uh you look at the conservatives that are out there and saying well we need to get rid of the people's anonymity by you know we got this group that signed on in support of hamas and we need to know who all those people are so we can put them on a blacklist it's like these are conservatives or at least you know people who call themselves conservatives um you know people like Dershowitz at Harvard I don't know how conservative he's ever been you know but you got other people on Breitbart basically saying the same thing on the Daily Wire saying the same thing uh it's just uh you know fundamentally comes down

to where they are on a particular issue. And they're more than willing to sacrifice our fundamental rights and to ignore the Constitution if it is something that they radically disagree with. Oh, 100%. Yeah. And the whole thing about the gun control side of it is it is track and trace. That's all it is. Yes. You know, as much as they want to tell you

uh this is illegal this is illegal no it's regulated it's regulated um they want to be able to track that's why they're going after private sales they're they're going after they say there's a gun show loophole it's really private sales um you know gifting if i gift you say hey david i'm not using this rifle anymore Would you like it? They want us to go down and do that transfer so they have a paper record. And it is about tracking and tracing. They only care if it doesn't have a serial number or they don't know who owns it. And why would you do that? There is default.

There's a de facto registry. I covered it in one of the foxholes, I believe. It's just paper. They're forbidden to have a database that does that automatic searching. But they can track guns from the place of purchase to the person. So it's already there. The registry is there. What the missing piece is the guns that they don't know where they're at.

That's why they're going after ghost guns, homemade guns, private sales, you name it. And then they want to fill in that database and they do want to go electronic with it i had a video on it where they were complaining about you know it takes us so long to do this and we're 32 000 things a year we get or whatever that we that are still sitting in a box that we haven't uh it's crazy they they do have a um a system that are prohibited by law from having an automated system yet they're pushing for an automated system yes and it's about taking the guns that's right it's not about anything that has to do with regulation registration is pre-crime 100 it's pre-crime so

they're going to tell me that I can't own this or that because I might commit a crime with it well that's not due process. You know? Yeah. I just saw an article. I forget what they called it. I was, I didn't have enough time to talk about it today, but I saw it on zero hedge and they were talking about, um, you know, financial transactions and how they could do voting electronically. And we can, we can, uh, we don't have to spend the time trying to, uh, track this stuff and

authenticate what we'll do is we'll authenticate you. And, and, you know, we'll be able to have provenance on this. We'll know where it was created, who created it, where it's coming from. So we don't have to spend a lot of time authenticating this stuff and it'll save us so much calculation. I looked at it and it's like, well, this is just a, I forget the term that they used. They're saying, oh, this is going to be great. We're going to use it for all these different things. And it's nothing more than the CCPA, the Coalition for Content Provenance and Authenticity, that Microsoft was putting together for the federal government,

where they would mark anything that you do, just like you're talking about marking the gun with a serial number, every content that you put out, whether it's a meme or whether it's a substack article or whether it's audio or audio and video all of it would be stamped by your computer and they've got a coalition between the hardware companies the software companies as well as the gatekeepers for what we're allowed to say like the new york times and bbc and other people they brought this all together so they can register and control speech. Everything that they want to do is just like the CBDC. Everything is a passport.

Everything is surveillance and registration. That is the society that they want us to live in. And that's why it's so important for us to start learning these skills. It'd be great if we had anybody in government that wanted to oppose this, anybody that's running for office, but nobody even wants to talk about that. The most we get is a couple of candidates who've talked about CBDC, but they're all just ignoring this issue. Well, and, you know, this is a first, the gun thing is a First Amendment thing,

like you said, and look at what they're doing in Canada right now. They're trying to make you register a podcast. And they start off with, okay, you've got to make so many million dollars a year. Um, and then you got to get a business name. You got to register with them. I mean, it makes no sense. I understand over the air and FM and AM because there's a limited number of frequencies. So you don't want to be stepping on each other. Right. Uh, but the internet, that's not a problem. So why would you need to need to regulate it um it's just their way to get their pinky toe in the door and once that happens they start broadening they start broadening okay now it's if you make more than a thousand dollars a year okay you don't have to make any money at all if you have a podcast you

have to register with us and then they start nailing down the speech violations and think about this david everybody uh everybody now has some something that they've said or put on twitter or facebook or something they if they start broadening terms of what is hate speech and they want to put you in jail for it what's to stop them from retroactively going back 10 years ago about something you posted they've got all the stuff there bluffdale utah and other places where the nsa is storing everything that everybody's ever said or done you know and it's like okay fine you know permit record was what ed snowden called his uh his book that he wrote about that uh we've got just about

three minutes i want to say thanks to uh chad warren thank you for the tip he says uh thanks for having a calm vibe on your show compared to info wars it's like well i could never get into that here on fire vibe much of the consternation of Alex, who wanted me to, but it just wasn't, I couldn't fake it. So that's just how I am. And also, SuperFay, this is a comment from who we're talking about church, I think. There was one church open in rural Texas where I live, over one hour and 15 minute drive. Needless to say, my husband and I found our new church that way.

Well, good for you. And that's the key thing. You know, we've seen that happening. It has been the lifeblood of people. If you've got a church and you don't think it's essential, especially when there's a pandemic. I mean, during a pandemic in the past, you know, when there really was a plague going around whatever it was everybody was uh you know the church people who uh were serious about what they believed uh they were looking at an eternal perspective they weren't concerned about whether they're going to live or die they were concerned

about whether or not they're going to be there to help other people and so uh that was a really key thing i think a lot of people realize well these guys are just playing at it they're not serious i've had a lot of people tell me that. Well, I'm glad you found a church. But yeah, this is a key issue. Second Amendment is always a key issue, and this folds together a lot of things. And, of course, we can see, Jason, that ultimately it comes down to controlling and monitoring, registering, and surveilling everything that we do. Everything just keeps coming back to that, the passports and all the rest of this stuff.

It truly is frightening what they want to do to us. And we have to take initiative, as you did with the 3D printer, to make sure that we've got some skills and things like that, because it's going to be a mixture of black market and other things to get outside of their system, I think. Yeah, I wanted to say, super fey um if you're driving an hour and a half to church that's great because doing the right thing is going to take sacrifice yes fighting against free speech is going to take sacrifice growing your own food is going to take time uh the government doesn't want that the government wants you in your pod eating bugs and rely on them for everything they don't want you to talk to your neighbors they don't want you

to know your neighbors maybe you can get together in the metaverse you know where you may be talking to a computer that's spying on everything you think i mean we have thought crimes now we have people standing outside were you praying were you silently praying no yeah yeah exactly yeah well they let people run through the streets making all kinds of threats against other people uh thank you so much for joining us again. Jason Barker, The Knights of the Storm. Check out their show as well as their listing of everybody. Thank you, Jason.

Appreciate it. Thanks, David.