The David Knight Show - INTERVIEW Toll Roads — Takeover of Infrastructure by Crony Multinationals

Episode Date: February 9, 2023

A push is on for toll roads in Tennessee, 1 of only 14 states without toll roads.State Senator Frank Niceley joins to talk about the many problems with these "private public partnerships". And he gives an update on the progress of creating a State Bank to counter the push for greater central control of the financial system (CBDC) Find out more about the show and where you can watch it at TheDavidKnightShow.com If you would like to support the show and our family please consider subscribing monthly here:SubscribeStar https://www.subscribestar.com/the-david-knight-showOr you can send a donation through Mail: David Knight POB 994 Kodak, TN 37764Zelle: @[e-mail] App at: $davidknightshowBTC to: bc1qkuec29hkuye4xse9unh7nptvu3y9qmv24vanh7Money is only what YOU hold: Go to DavidKnight.gold for great deals on physical gold/silverBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-david-knight-show--2653468/support.

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committee correct me about that Senator Nicely but there's a proposal by the governor to put toll roads in Tennessee. Tennessee is one of only 14 states that doesn't have toll roads. That's one of the reasons I loved Tennessee. I don't want to see that change. So I want to talk to the senator about why this is happening now. Who's going to benefit from this? What happens with these toll roads? I've seen it done in Texas, and I was not happy with what I saw in Texas. So,

thank you for joining us, Senator Nicely. Well, thank you, David. It's always a pleasure. Well, thank you. I'm like you. I just naturally hate toll roads. To give you a little history, the Cherokee Indians had a toll road between Kingston and Nashville 200 years ago. Really? They called it a turnpike, and they'd have a pole across, a pike across the road, and then when you paid your toll,

they would turn the pike and let you through, and then they'd turn the pike back. So we've had toll roads 200 years ago in Tennessee. I'm not sure how the Cherokee managed to do that, but they did. But no, I don't like toll roads. They're hard on poor people. It's so inefficient.

There's always some foreign based mafia type financial vulture. That's the key thing. Foreign involvement. People don't realize how many of these toll roads are owned by foreign entities. And you've got people talking

about, hey, look, the Chinese are buying up farmlands. Well, we've got foreign corporations that are buying up our infrastructure in many different ways. We do. And Congressman Burchett, who's an old friend of mine, he was in the Senate here

when I was in the House, and he said it perfectly the other day. You need to get Burchett on your show sometime. I'll get you two together. He said, well, public-private partnerships are fine until the Chinese bomb out. In Indiana,

they had to deal with some Spanish-type mafia like Afghanistan. Of course, they siphoned all the money off the good and then turned it back to Indiana, and then they had to cut a deal with Australians. The governor's office assured me, he said he said oh it'll

be american company i said yeah front company like paying capital call out but they get their money from uh the middle east you know all money that's that's where it all comes from yeah but maybe chinese i mean who knows it could be iranian i mean why do we get entangled george washington warned us they got getting entangled, entanglements with foreign nations. Yes. We have not heeded his advice. George Washington is credit for. That's right.

And when you look at this, Centra, you know, has been at the center of so many of these things, but they're not the only ones you pointed out. You know, there's big multinational corporations in many different countries that are involved in this. It went back and forth in, in Texas, There's big multinational corporations in many different countries that are involved in this.

It went back and forth in Texas, a private toll road they're putting there. $430 million in federal funds because, again, these are foreign multinational corporations and the federal government who want this. And I can tell you from experience in Texas that what they would do is it would take them forever to go through the construction process. And you talk about the number of man hours lost and the frustration of sitting in traffic jams that were just horrendous. And when they opened it up, the traffic was, they intentionally made it worse for the roads that were already there and to try to coerce you into taking the toll roads. This is why I think it is such a cynical name to hear Governor Lee talk about it as a choice

lane. Yeah, he's pro-choice. Yeah, he's pro-choice. He wants to have a choice lane. That's kind of like the choices we had about vaccines and masks and things like that. It's like, well, we're not forcing you to do this. You don't have to do this, but if you don't do this, you're going to sit in traffic for a very long time.

They added all kinds of traffic lights and all that sort of thing once they rebuilt everything to coerce you onto their choice lanes. They regulate the traffic on the choice lanes with the price if too many people

use it uh one of the democrats down here called it lexus lane but if too many are using the lexus lane then they they up the price so to get to get off some poor people you know and it's too expensive and just so the lexus lane can keep moving at 55 miles an hour. So they regulate that with the price of the toll. It's a toll. I mean, I don't care what you call it. It is a toll. But, you know, Tennessee, we are, and I hate to brag on myself. A good southerner, it's hard for him to brag on his own state.

But we've done a great job in Tennessee building roads and everything. We've got the corner trucker magazine, the best roads in the nation, or maybe the second best. I agree. I agree. It was amazing. We're just amazed at what the roads are like here versus Texas.

I mean, you know, they're not perfect, but they're really, really good compared to Texas. All the back roads are just infinitely better than what we, we were used to in Texas. And the governor got put more money. He, a billion in all three grand divisions,

$3 billion in the roads this year. And like I say, we don't owe anything. And a friend of mine who's got a master's in finance, and he explained it this way. He said, there's nothing really wrong with borrowing money if you use it right and you get a low interest rate. We've got a triple-A bond rating

by all three of the bond rating services. We're triple-A rated, which means that we can borrow money really, really cheap because people trust Tennessee. So if we build the roads, we're building the roads and we're dealing with the people

we borrow the money from. We're selling bonds. Now, my children would think that the state had something and they're selling it. Well, selling bonds is borrowing money. We're selling a piece of paper and getting money back. So we're dealing with two people. But in the toll roads, you're dealing with three people. You deal with us, then you're dealing with the private business, and then they're dealing with the private business and then you're dealing they're dealing with the people who loan the money so you got three people over here to take care of and which is in the end a lot more expensive than just dealing with two people now like i say we don't we're not big on borrowing money in tennessee but if we desperately need these other lanes just borrow the money sell the bonds low interest build the things, sell the bonds, low interest, build the things,

and let the Department of Transportation run it. Department of Transportation, I hate to brag on any government department, but all in all, the Department of Transportation should be bragged on just a little. They actually done a great job. And it's a slap in their face to say, well, you can't do this. We're going to have to get somebody from Australia toia to do it back with chinese money to do it and anytime you've got that much money floating around they're going to be they're going to be skipping money they'll have a computer system set up that will kick every tenth dollar over a separate pile you'll never know it's there they'll be stealing money from us from now on

we'll pay for this road six times before it's over with. And I mean, I just can't say enough bad things about a toll road. You can never get them paid off. You can never get paid off. Keep us free in Tennessee. That's right. That's right. We talked about the department of transportation. That was the other thing.

When we moved here in Texas, these things would go forever. And you drive past the areas where they got it blocked off and hardly ever see anybody working here you'd see people working all the time you know when you go past an area where they're we're working on it but i agree if it ain't broke uh don't don't try to fix this thing it's working really well uh so why now why is why do you think the governor is pushing really hard on this well you know what i kind of hate to say this, but it's true. Governors, historically, they always set up a playhouse, a sweetheart deal for some of their insiders. And it doesn't matter if you're a Republican or a Democrat, you know.

Historically, you know, Governor Bredesen set up, he had this solar power thing for a couple of his friends. And, you know, back under Lamar, they set up CCA, Conjunctions Corporation of America, for some of their insiders. And this could possibly, that could possibly be, I'm not saying it is, but it could possibly be setting up a way for some of his insiders. See, in Tennessee, one bad thing about Tennessee is there's no way to know the limited partners than a limited partnership. Now, I had a bill one time that said if a limited partnership's doing business

with the state or the county or the city, they're going to have to disclose their limited partners. So you don't want the governor or the mayor doing business with a company that's owned by him and his wife, his limited partners. But that hit a brick wall real quick,

so that made me think, well, there's something there. Yeah, I'd like to see who's making the money here. No, no, nobody's going to do that. Yeah, that's kind of a tell, isn't it? So how is this being sold to the public? Is there anybody that wants this other than the governor and some people who are going to profit from this?

I mean, what is the general sense of this? You know, that's a hard thing to say, and that's a mean thing to say, but that's a realistic thing to say. I mean, it could possibly be, I don't know,

but they're saying, well, by doing it this way and with these public partner, public private partnerships, which, uh, you know, they asked me about it early on.

I said, well, Mussolini liked them. I said, they called it fascism back in the old days. That, um, that didn't go too good, you know, they asked me about it early on. I said, well, Mussolini liked them. I said, they called it fascism back in the old days. Yeah. That didn't go too good, but basically that's what it was. Yeah.

Merger of governments and corporations. That's exactly what fascism was. Or crony capitalism, you know? Hey, we got friends in government. Exactly. Yeah. Now, they're saying by doing this, it frees up money that we can spend more money on rural roads. Well, that's certainly not what it detects.

That's how they're selling it to the rural areas. They say, well, if we let Spain or eventually China build these roads for us, then we'll free up our money and we can build more roads out in the rural areas. Well, you know, that, uh, sounds good, but I mean, I'm not sure that, that we're, we've got a huge surplus right now. I'm not opposed to spending surplus money on roads for everyone benefits from roads. If you're a hermit living in a cave and Amazon's bringing you your food, you're a benefit. That's right. Yeah. That is something that I think, you know, when we, when we look at the practical aspects of this, uh, there has been one example after the other, uh, whether you're talking about Texas or Indiana,

we put these things together, the people who are going to be the foreign corporations, they got a very small investment in it. The federal government's got investment in it, but these things have gone bankrupt over and over again. Then of course, somebody will buy that up. And, you know, but again, it is an extremely, you know, there's a lot of financial shenanigans going on. There's a lot of these things that have been bankrupted. And, and, and the question in my mind is why can't we just do what you're talking about and what has been done in Tennessee?

Why can't we just build the roads ourselves anymore? This is coming from the federal government. The federal government built the interstate system at one point in time. But they're not interested in doing that kind of stuff anymore. Tennessee is a pay-as-we-go state. And the Democrats started that back years ago. I think probably McWhorter had a lot to do with that. Because if we pay as we go, every penny of the gas tax goes to the roads.

A lot of these states, it takes almost all their gas tax to pay the interest on the bonds. So, Tennessee, we're lucky. We're in good shape. We've had good management back through the years. And I think we've still got good management, all in all. But I just, you know, you take an old country boy like me and you pull up to a toll road. It's $2. And you get up there and they say, well, it's $30.

You say, what's wrong? They say, well, you're driving a dually truck. You're a one-ton dually, so that makes it $10. And you're pulling that little two-axle trailer behind you, so that makes it $30. So I need $30. Well, that's a big disappointment to a man that's planning on eating lunch after a while. He's probably got no money to get home on. That happened to me up north.

I mean, it cost me $20. It took over $100 to go around Chicago. And that was 20 years ago, pulling a little live horse trailer. But because it had a dually truck and two trailers behind it, it doesn't matter if it's a huge semi two axles, or if it's a little long trailer, you've got your lawnmower on with two axles. They charge you the same per axle.

And, uh, that's what I've seen. I, you know, years ago we would go as we further North, we would go, uh,

from North Carolina. Cause they didn't have toll roads in North Carolina at the time. As we continue to go north, the tolls would become more frequent and more expensive. And then when you get up into the New York area, they were unbelievably expensive. And they continue to go up and never go down. And they only multiply. And the other thing that you see is everywhere these toll roads come in, the reality is it doesn't free up the money for the rural areas. The other ancillary roads are neglected and they do nothing at all with them.

It's just a really bad move. And we've seen situations going back to 2014. You had in Indiana, they had a toll road project there. That was an Australian company that was involved in that one. They filed for bankruptcy eight years after taking in $3.8 billion, and they had a 75-year concession for the road. And it was a Republican governor there, Mitch Daniels, that was doing that at the time.

They have a very, very bad history, especially when the federal government is involved in part of the financing. Is that something that Governor Lee is looking at, this federal law? I'm not sure that he is. I don't know exactly what he's looking at. You know, Tennessee is a great state. We need to keep it great.

And Toll Road is not a way to keep it great. That's right. Well, let's talk about the practical aspects of it because you're on the, I think you're number two on the transportation. No, I'm not number two. I may be number three on the commerce. I'm nothing. I'm just a member. Oh, okay.

All right. Okay. I've been seven years now. But what do you see happening? Are they going to, I would imagine they would have something to say with moving that legislation forward? Well, the chairman, Becky Massey, a good friend of mine, and she's a chairman of Tractor Station. She's from Knoxville. You know, you can get her on sometime.

She's sold on the tow roads. She's driven on them in Texas, and she loves the tow roads. I've been charged for them in Texas, even though I didn't drive on them tow road. She's driven on them in Texas and she loves the tow roads. I've been charged for them in Texas even though I didn't drive on them in Texas. That's one of the other things I don't like about tow roads. They get your number and they send you a bill. Let me tell you what happened to me. A couple of years ago, I helped a friend of mine haul a little load of whitetail deer. At this year's Cheltenham, glory

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A month after I got home, I got a $20 bill in the mail. I mean, a bill for $20 on a toll road. Well, I didn't rent the truck, and I was just along for the ride. But how did they know to send me $20? I doubt my wife paid it. I mean, she might have. But that probably rests me the next time I go to Colorado. With compound interest, it'll be $700 by the time I get back out.

So you weren't driving, it wasn't registered in your name, and they still sent it to you? It was a rental truck. I possibly could have, he could have put me down as an extra driver. But why didn't they send it to the guy who rented the truck? How did they know who I was? Was it facial recognition? who rented the truck. How did they know who I was? Was it facial recognition? I mean.

Yeah. Well, that's the thing. When I get, uh, several times I've gotten, uh, bogus, um, charges when we were in Texas and I would say, well, you know, they, they take pictures of you as you're going through. I said, show me the picture, you know, and it's not, not me or whatever, but they, they do that with intimidation. They know most people are not going to push back against that. And they put a lot of pressure on people to sign up on a monthly ticket pass that they've got.

They give you a discounted rate. If you aren't a part of that, they charge you more. But if you don't pay them initially or respond to them initially, it starts to go up exponentially. And it just compounds at a very, very rapid rate. But we were talking about the possibility of it passing. So the person who's chair of the Transportation Committee is friendly to this. So you think it'll get out of that committee? What about the chances of it passing when it comes up for a vote in general?

There are people who seem to be favorable that I'm shocked that they're favorable. I mean, it's the governor's a good sales person. He's got a very convincing voice and he's a good salesman. And a lot of, you know, it would not surprise me to see this thing pass, even though there's a few of us that are going to try to cut it out. This idea of that, that they're going to have tow roads mainly probably around Nashville. That's where the main congestion is. My suggestion was give Amazon and Oracle tax incentives to start two hours earlier, two hours late, or maybe an hour

earlier, an hour late, spread the load out on these roads. We've got plenty of interstate if we didn't try to use it all at the same time. And a lot of these millennials, they're kind of nocturnal anyway, and they don't mind starting late and getting off right at happy hour and that'd be great. I can't get much discussion going on that, but that seems logical to me is stagger the starting times and spread, spread the load and use what roads we have now to be an old country. I like to thank gentlemen, but I hope people don't think like me. I can see if you Google,

uh, passenger drones, and you look what's going on around the world with passenger drones, full passenger drones, electric drones, you know, there's a we're closer to seeing passenger drones in the air than we realize. They're coming on fast, there's

companies all over the world, and there were cars were in 1910. I mean, they're going to get the bugs out of these things pretty quick. And it would not surprise me if some of these younger guys be riding in a passenger drone and look down and say, boy, we wasted a lot of money on interstates. You know, it's a technology. Well, I think that's one of the reasons why they're not investing

in infrastructure anymore, why they're willing to sell off the existing infrastructure to foreign corporations. I think that they've made it very clear that they want to ban private cars. They've been talking about this since the first Earth Day. You look at Davos and the rest of them, they want to ban all private transportation. And there will be some roads and private transportation, but they'll make it so expensive, that'll be the first way that they try to get rid of cars is by pricing ordinary people out of it. And I think toll roads are a part of that. And I think they look at this and say, well, you know, we want to make sure that we have some roads that we can drive, but it's only going to be for the people who can really afford them because they're the important people. You know, just like Bill Gates can go anywhere he wants to with his private jets,

and he's worth it because he's saving the world. You know, the rest of us, no, no, you're not going to take a plane flight except once every three years, and you're going to go less than 1,000 miles with that. And that's a policy coming out of an organization called C40. There's a lot of different very big cities that are on board with these kind of radical changes in transportation. So they really don't want to support infrastructure in the way that we've had it because they don't want to have private cars. And they want everything to be controlled, not just the roads,

but also the cars or the drones that are out there. They want that to be controlled by a few corporations. I think that's what's ultimately about that. And that's what concerns me about it. It's the concentration of resources, the surveillance that is there, the crony capitalism that is there. And this is all about a public-private partnership. All this stuff that is happening with the world government is really about public-private partnerships.

That's how they have their world governance is that way. And so that's the thing that really concerns me about it is that it's just another stepping stone in that direction is the way I see it. You're exactly right, and I've known that for some time. I have bought this real ID. Yes. And it's a, you can't fly now or go in a federal building unless you have a real ID. I don't have a real ID.

I don't really need to fly. I can fly in my old pickup truck if I want to. I just love to never have to go in another federal building. So I'm not probably going to get one. And if you've got a passport, then you don't have to have one. Of course, your passport has a chip in it. But it'll be in my sock drawer. I have one.

It won't be following me around tracking. Yeah, that's right. But they put off the date before you have to have a real ID. And I'm not sure that you ever have yet have to have a real ID. When I changed in my license here they they made me go through all the paperwork and everything and and it's like why so much i wouldn't take uh you know uh my older paperwork same thing with my wife you know no we can't you know even though turning in a license we got to have all this stuff about your birth certificate and even though we got a paper

certificate that is sealed and stamped and all this kind of stuff. No, no, we have to have something that goes back to the database there or something like that. It was just amazing. And then the person says, but that's okay because we go through all this process, you'll have a real ID. And it's like, well, I don't really want a real ID, but it'll be a gold star on your license and you'll be able to fly without using a passport. and it's like yeah

i know another uh country that used goal stars to track people they don't say that that gets me in trouble when i get into my lessons uh it's uh so what about uh is there any, uh, organization, any, um, grassroots organization that's pushing back against the toll roads? Not really. And people in my district don't like toll roads and, and, but there, I don't see any organized resistance to it. That's the scary part. I mean, uh, people are so busy right now.

It's kind of stay afloat. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. It's uh, so there's no organization that has risen up to say, you know, stop the toll roads.

Uh, so what would you suggest that if, if anything, uh, people, Tennessee can do your Senator and your state representative and say, Hey, let's keep Tennessee free.

If we need, if we need some more lanes, let's just, but we've got the surplus. We've got billion dollar surplus. Let's just put some money out of the general fund over into the transportation fund. Build roads

and let the Department of Transportation run it. They do a great job. Don't get tangled up with these foreign countries. There's no future in it. I've got to be able this year to try to limit the ownership of farmland here in Tennessee. I had one a couple years ago

um couldn't hardly get it passed but now then everybody seems to be interested in it and i don't know whether i started out with the rest of the process you say you can't buy land here if we can't buy land there and then somebody found a flaw in that they said well england stopped you can't buy a castle in england now so what we may do now is just have a list of the axes of evil nations. You know, it's like North Korea and China and Russia and on down. Just have a list of nations that cannot buy land here, which would basically be the ones that we can't buy land there. We can't buy land in China. You can't buy land in Mexico within 80 miles of the ocean, I don't think.

I think you'd have to be way on the inland to buy it in Mexico. So, you know, it's almost like we're just asleep at the wheel. Yeah, yeah. At least to a quid pro quo. The thing is, you know, I look at Josh Hawley's bill trying to, you know, I talked about that a little bit earlier. And, you know, it would limit Chinese corporations from buying farmland in the u.s the problem is is just like uh happened with the creation of the reedy creek district there in in florida as disney went in he had these you know uh front uh shell corporations

that would go in and buy it independent of each other other individuals that go in of course they were all working for him but you didn't know it know, it's going to be very difficult to police something like that. I was talking to a lawyer last night here in the office, and he said you have to have them sign an affidavit swearing that there was no foreign investment, and if they were, then it would be a criminal offense. Okay. Well, that'd be one way to enforce it. That's good.

Yeah, the problem with the toll roads, though, is that it's right up front. They're not even trying to do this behind closed doors or anything. They're doing it right to your face, and nobody really seems to understand or care about that. Let me ask you one other thing, too, while we're talking about roads. Since they're going to start charging people to go on the Smoky Mountain National Park, not to go into it, but to stop, you know, that's the thing that's there. Is there, that's a done deal. There's nothing to be done or pulled back against that. Cause I know that they have roads that go through there.

And so there was an agreement. They can't block it off. Like they do other national parks. It's one of the reasons why so many people go to the Smoky Mountain National Park was because it was free. So they came up with an ingenious scheme that they will charge you if you stop. And if you don't pay the fee to go into the park and you do stop, they'll give you a ticket or something like that. But that's going to roll out in March, right? That's interesting because the legislature

in the 1930s, they were pretty savvy and they understood the federal government. They didn't like the federal government. They didn't like the federal government. They were suspicious of the federal government. Now, then, we all want more money from them. But the deal was, when the state of Tennessee gave the money to the feds for the park, the deal was, you cannot charge. If you charge, we'll take the land back. I'm going to ask our new Attorney General, General Scametti, who is very, he's asked for 10 lawyers to do nothing but not to push overreach, the federal government overreach. He realized that is a big problem and he wants enough lawyers to fight that. And I'm going to ask him if that's, this parking pass is just a way to circumvent the law.

The law in the beginning says you can't charge in Tennessee, it's going to circumvent the law. The law in the beginning says you can't charge in Tennessee. It's going to be free to everyone. And, you know, they need to pay. The Great Smoky Mountains is the most visited park in America. Yellowstone's number two. We're twice as many visitors as Yellowstone.

And not to mention Burchard again, but Burchard said the other day, he said they need to pay these parks based on attendance. So if they pay us based on attendance, we'd have enough money to run the park. The whole budget for the park, I think, is just $20 million, which is, you know, for half a million acres and what it is.

I mean, I think it's the prettiest park in the nation. Maybe Glacier might be a little better, but it's a very pretty. You get up there and do your hike and then get back into, and in the great smoking, I spent a lot of time in a great smoking and it is really beautiful. And I just hate to see it charged for it. Yeah. Yeah.

And we're going to ask. It's kind of interesting, you know, whenever they have a, a budget disagreement, you know, and they, they miss the continuing resolution or whatever. And they say, well, we're going to start shutting the government down. The first thing to do is shut down the parks because that's what $20 million budget. You're going to go shut it down. That's right. McWhorter, McWhorter, governor McWhorter, he told Bill Clinton, Bill Clinton

tried to shut them down. And McWhorter told him, said, no, the deal was the legislature that you can't charge for the park. So McWirter and Bill Clinton were governors at the same time, and they knew each other pretty well, I guess. And McWhirter supposedly told Clinton, said, you can't shut down the sports. Yeah. Yeah, I think it is. I think you're right.

It is just a workaround. And I think it's going to change the nature of the park as well. You know, they're going to have, I'm sure they're going to do all kinds of things to enforce it. Not just, you know, having a patrols in there all the time, but they're probably going to, I've already noticed when I go in there that, uh, they've got all these different areas roped off, no parking here, no parking there and all the rest of the stuff. Uh, it's going to be, um, it's really going to change the nature of it. I think if we can't stop that. They say there's a shortage of parking areas up there.

Well, spend some money and build some more parking areas. You've got 500 million acres or somewhere to park. I ride horses and I ride horses in the park sometimes. I mean, there's some beautiful horse trails up there. But they don't want horses. And the way they try to keep horses out is they don't furnish anywhere to park. There's nowhere to pull your horse trail. You have to park off the side of the road or halfway in the way they try to keep horses out is they don't furnish anywhere to park. There's nowhere to pull your horse trailer. You have to park off the side of the road or halfway in the way.

And so they're trying to discourage horse riding in the park by not furnishing anywhere to park. So, you know, the state, we may have to step in. A governor the other night in the state, he was giving a billion dollars away here and a billion dollars away there. We could build with the bark of the union, he was giving a billion dollars away here and a billion dollars there. We should give, we can double the bark of the budget. I'm 40 million and build some parking places up there and let people park. It's important for people to get out and get out in the nature. I mean, it lowers your heart,

your blood pressure, your pressure. It's just good for you in a lot of different ways. That's right. Yeah. I've never seen anybody on horses parks. park, so I guess you're right. They've been pretty successful at that. I haven't seen bears in the park for the longest time.

We used to come up here when I was a kid. They were all over the place, and I've got video of us feeding them through the car window. So all of that stuff has stopped now. Yeah, we've got plenty of bears right now. I have bears on our farm, basically. Let's's a, we've got plenty of barriers right now. I have barriers on my farm. Let's talk a little bit about, uh, CBDC. You had, um, an event, didn't you, where you were educating people about the dangers of CBDC just recently? I did.

And it was almost a hundred people there and they were very well educated. They knew what was going on and they were, they did not like what was going on. And, uh, it was was it was a really good event it was up in hawkins county and bud represented bud hosey was there and bud he knows a lot about gold and silver and he's uh you know you could you could have bud on sometime he would be good and we got two or three bills the treasurer who's in charge of our retirement fund, which was $70 billion, it's down to about $63 billion now, he has agreed now to buy some gold. He wrote a bill for us, and we got the bill that the treasurer wrote, and it's

going to make him feel comfortable by buying. We haven't arrived on the exact amounts yet, but we're getting started. That's a big step. Then we'll have another bill to make gold and silver legal tender. I think we can get that one through because it's in the U.S. Constitution that the states can loan gold and silver. I mean, it ought not be hard to pass that. So that way you pay taxes to gold and silver, and the state could accumulate a reserve because if you pay your taxes at spot, then you're

getting more than you could get for it at the coin store. If you sell it, you have to sell it a little bit low spot. If you buy it, you pay a little more spot. So the person paying the taxes with gold would be getting a good deal on his gold and silver. So he would be getting spot. The state would be accumulating the reserve at spot, which was cheaper than they could buy it on the market. So it's a good deal for both sides. And as the state accumulated a reserve, like all major countries around the world, I mean, why is the federal reserve got all the bank in New York? It's not worth something. China's buying gold like crazy. So so tennessee can start developing a fly of gold and then if we ever had to we could issue treasury warrants backed by the gold

well that's good so are you doing more events where you're going to be talking to people about cbdc well i don't know why we need to get them to listen to you more. I've been shopping you around trying to get people to listen. You do a great job explaining it. Catherine Austin Fitz does a great job. As she's pointed out, that is the end game. It is surveillance disguised

as money. That's what it is. Yeah, it is. I said in committee the other day, at one time, we were one nation under God. We're quickly becoming one nation under surveillance. I Yeah, it is. And I said in committee the other day, at one time, we were one nation under God. We're quickly becoming one nation under surveillance. I mean, they're just unbelievable. Everything.

These fusion centers. Years ago, one of my right wing, everybody thought she was crazy. She was just so far ahead that everybody thought she was crazy. She warned us about these fusion centers. And the fusion center, I guess, as you know, it collects data from all the different law enforcements. And if you call the fusion center and said, Frank Knisley is a terrorist, and somebody else calls and says, Frank, I don't check it out. But two years from now, if somebody checks on me, they say, oh, yeah, he's a terrorist. I mean, it's crazy.

It's too much communication between all the spy agencies and the law enforcement agencies. And no transparency and no review. I mean, we've seen that with a no-fly list and then the liberals said, oh yeah, well, let's do that and make a no-buy list as well. You know, people who can't buy a gun,

people who can't fly a plane. How did I get on the list? What am I accused of? You know, you're not allowed to know. It's a star chamber process. That's not anything new. It's very ancient, but we had the Bill of rights was set up to stop that type of thing. Yeah, it's, um, of course I was, uh, the federal government came down, gave the department

some money years ago. I had a bill and I need to bring it up again. It says that these agencies and state agencies and the commissioners can't cut a deal with federal government and take money unless the commissioners can't cut a deal with federal government and take money unless the legislature approves it now if you want to give money to the jefferson county commission they have to vote to take the money the legislature ought to have to vote to take money from the federal government because they'll cut a deal most of these agencies down here the commissioner he's all they're going to give me two million dollars they're going to

give you 10 million dollars and they'll it's got all kinds of strings attached and when the two Most of these agencies down here, the commissioner, he's, oh, they're going to give me $2 million. They're going to give me $10 million. And they've got all kinds of strings attached. And when the $2 million is used up, Tennessee taxpayers have to pick up the bill. So the legislature needs to vote on whether or not we take money from the federal government. I agree. Yeah, that's the way they control everything. They offer you the money, and then they'll put some more strings on it. Is this what we've seen with the schools?

You know, you're going to put, uh, we're going to give you all this money. They get used to the money and then they say, okay, now we want you to put boys in the girls' bathrooms. I was like, well, we don't want to do that. Well, we're taking the money back now. Oh, don't take the money back. They get people addicted to that. It's like, they're like drug pushers. And with that, that's my problem with school vouchers now yeah in my opinion i'm the most conservative senator

down here and all the conservatives these new johnny come lately conservatives they all want to do vouchers they don't realize that as soon as these private schools start taking voucher money from federal government they'll let you have it for a few years, but when you get hooked on that money, then they come in and say, well, you've got to teach. Johnny's got two daddies. You're going to have to have this drag show now.

That's right. Yeah, they will control the curriculum. Right. And the high-end private schools won't take the voucher. You know, your Battleground Academy, web schools, The high-end private schools won't take the voucher. You know, your Battleground Academy, Webb Schools, you know, they won't take it because they know what's coming, and they don't want – they've got all the students they can handle.

They don't need the vouchers. But the little private schools that are struggling will take the money, get hooked on it, and then they'll have to give in to the government. There's an excellent documentary by Mark Hall. It's called Killing Ed. And it's about the big influence in Texas of an organization. It's under Fatala Gulen, who was out of Turkey. First, he was with Erdogan, and then they became rivals, but he's got a global network of schools.

In every other country, they're run as madrasas, but in the U.S., they run them as schools of science and math is what they call them. And they're getting nearly a billion dollars in government subsidies, and most of it is happening in Texas. And there's been, and his documentary shows a lot of information about corruption and other kickbacks with all that. And they were investigated by the FBI. So that's the kind of thing that you run into with the downside of these voucher systems. That's kind of a worst-case scenario.

If I remember right, they recruit all their teachers from Turkey. That's right. That's right. Yeah. Good. Have you seen that documentary? No, but I know about it. Okay.

Yeah. He does a great job with that. It's called Killing It. But what is the status? Has anything changed since we last talked about the Tennessee State Bank? Well, the treasurer has told Senator Bowler across the street that he's not opposed to the State Bank? Well, the treasurer has told Senator Bowler across the street that he's not opposed to the State Bank.

Now, that is a big step. And we may not get that done this year, but what we may do is we may get authorized a study committee for this summer to put it together, get some people from North Dakota down here, kind of get a framework where we can ease into it. We don't want to, we need to move ready fast,

but we don't want to move so fast it messes up. So we've got to be cautious. I think the key is start buying silver and gold before it goes up anymore and get some reserve. And then the next step is the legal tender and and then the bank and the story uh we've authorized the treasurer to uh he he he has made arrangements to take care of us it doesn't take a big space for a lot of gold you know they say if you've had all the gold ever mined in the history of man and you melted it and poured it on a football field, it would only be three inches thick.

That's interesting. Yeah. So we store a lot of gold in a very small place. Yeah. I think he has a agreement with some of the local banks, the secure bonds. And you can keep it in more than one. And that way, if somebody did go high, they wouldn't get it all, you can keep it in more than one and that way if somebody did go high they wouldn't get it all you know you spread it spread it out put on open all your eggs more basically kind of

deal right well that's the important thing about that and of course uh you mentioned north dakota we talked about this the last time uh the only other state bank in the country they've been able to weather business cycles and and the great great depression, um, I think arguably better than other states have. It's been a real boon to the local banks and, you know, so all of this having a state bank is, is really a move, uh, to try to decentralize the financial system from, uh, as, as they're trying to move in the opposite direction and centralize

everything. Uh, that's not what we want. We don't want a completely centralized CBDC where you're interacting directly with a Federal Reserve Bank and there's no diversity, there's no other avenues to deal with. So we want to fight that as much as we can, and that means that we need to have some alternatives at the state level. It's good to be able to have gold and silver personally and to keep that yourself but we need to broaden that out so that people see the value of gold and to broaden out the uh you know to push back against that that rush to centralize everything in terms of control surveillance and the rest of this stuff so if we can decentral that, that'd be a very important thing. I certainly hope you're successful in that.

I really do appreciate your efforts on doing that. And again, if anybody needs to, if anybody can help, I guess, contact your office and see if maybe they can set up some more meetings where you can explain CBDC to people at local areas. That would be a great thing to do. When the time is right, I'd like to get you down there and let you explain it to maybe the finance committee or commerce committee. I'd be happy to do my best. I have a second-size chair on callers,

but we can get you down there and explain this thing. Most people, it's so far out there that people just can't believe it. It is, but it's coming very rapidly. It is coming fast. And I'm not sure that there's a provision to save money with CBDC. I don't know that you can save it. But here's the other thing that most people get confused with Bitcoin and stable coins and things, But they are the enemy of CBDC. The central bankers, the private bankers, the central banks,

I mean, they're a private bank with a federal charter. They're private, as private as my farm. And they hate Bitcoins. Bitcoin is the enemy because it's decentralized. So they're going to have to demonize and do something to drive it down. And I honestly think this FTX fiasco, I think they built him up. Yeah. Oh yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Very likely whether they did or not, they certainly are using it that way. Uh, they're scaring everybody to death. Oh, it's all fraudulent and all the rest of this stuff. When, you know, just a few months ago they were buddy-buddy with him and they had absolutely no idea about that. But it is, they are threatened by something that they don't control and they want to make

sure that this is just going to be a proof of stake. It has value because we say it has value, not because somebody has actually worked on this. That's the whole thing about all the other cryptos they have a proof of work which makes the thing work uh and um they don't want to have that and and so the key thing is that uh it's it's going to be about complete surveillance and control they're going to sell it based on how quickly we can process payments and that type of thing but they're also going to demonize crypto by saying that it's fraudulent, it's money laundering. And the other key that they're going to do, I think, Senator Nicely, is going to be the environmental issue.

They want to say, well, look at how much energy is being wasted by this proof of work. You know, we've got to mine the coins and that type of stuff. But they never worry about how much energy they're wasting when they're surveilling us you know these massive data centers where they're storing everything about us watching and surveilling us in real time their biometric databases and all the rest of the stuff they never complain about the uh carbon footprint of that but they would complain about cryptocurrency uh that's just going to be the way they're going to sell it to the general public, I think.

Well, you know, there's always some insiders that got a sweetheart deal and, and the big storage facility, I think in Oregon, it's owned by Dan Quayle and Johnson who knew, and some other old burnout Republicans, you know, they got to be all information, and the taxpayers are paying them rent every month. It's a huge facility. The air conditioning unit is the biggest in the world to keep all these computers

cool. They're storing what we're saying right here. What I said on my telephone this morning, why do they want everything I've said on my phone? Everybody's going, why are they storing all that? Well, they store Everybody's gone. Why are they storing all that? Cause they store it real cheap. Why are they storing it?

Is it just so John and Dan welcome back? A fortune off taxpayer paying rent. I mean, it's a win-win situation. You know, they go back and see what Hunter Biden said on his phone. They got out. They got it. That's right. Yeah. back and see what hunter biden said on his phone they got out they got that's right that's right yeah they don't want to do that yeah i've talked to uh william benny who was a global technical

head for the nsa for years and he said you know they they pretend that they don't have this information no it wasn't hunter at the time but it was other other things is that they know all that information and they could pull that up but they pretend they don't have it. But it is really about total information control. And that's how it's about the surveillance state. And that's what we really need to be concerned about. Money has always been a way to control people, but this is really more about surveillance than anything else. And that's going to be money combined with surveillance. That is the ultimate control. And as you point out, there's not going to be any way to save any money because they can just debit your account instantly. You've already had the FDIC talking about how, well, you know, we, I don't know with this system if we're going to be able to handle some of these things coming down the pike.

And we better not tell the public about this because they would panic and do a run on the bank. They've already, you know, that video went live. It wasn't covered by the mainstream media, but it went live. The FDIC is concerned. So we ought to be concerned about that. And we need to start having some other options besides just the one that is becoming more and more centralized. I absolutely agree with you.

Well, it's always great having you on. And I really do appreciate your efforts, Senator Nicely. Thank you so much. I appreciate it. I always enjoy it, and I'll see when we can invite you down the next one. You watch the circus down here. I'd be happy to do that. I'd get somebody to take the show.

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