The David Knight Show - INTERVIEW Unveiling the FBI's Dark Secrets, Church's Silence, and Political Hypocrisy - A Battle for America's Soul!

Episode Date: February 4, 2025

Dive into the heart of controversy as FBI whistleblower Garrett O'Boyle stands up against the agency's dark misuse of power, revealing a shocking clash of ethics versus corruption. Uncover the moral silence in America's churches, as we question why religious leaders are mute in the face of modern injustices.Expose the political hypocrisy with TPUSA's Charlie Kirk, where public endorsements clash with Christian values, igniting a firestorm over political integrity. Finally, the GOP's timid dance around abortion post-Roe v. Wade, urging a call to arms for more courageous, ethical political action.If you would like to support the show and our family please consider subscribing monthly here: SubscribeStar https://www.subscribestar.com/the-david-knight-show Or you can send a donation throughMail: David Knight POB 994 Kodak, TN 37764Zelle: @[e-mail] App at: $davidknightshowBTC to: bc1qkuec29hkuye4xse9unh7nptvu3y9qmv24vanh7 Money should have intrinsic value AND transactional privacy: Go to DavidKnight.gold for great deals on physical gold/silver For 10% off Gerald Celente's prescient Trends Journal, go to TrendsJournal.com and enter the code KNIGHTBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-david-knight-show--2653468/support.

So joining us now is Matt Trujillo, who I have talked to several times about his excellent book and about the Doctrine of the Lesser Magistrate. Thank you for joining us, Matt. Good to be here with you, David, and I so apologize for all my technical problems. Totally on my end. No problem. It always is. It's live. So we have that kind of a situation happen frequently.

Not a concern. Glad to have you on. Glad we got through to you. And again, your website is defytyrants.com. Okay, good. And that's where people can find a copy of the book. Of course, you can find it on Amazon, other places like that. It's always good to not deal with Amazon, but to deal directly with the author.

It helps them and helps us to get away from Amazon as well. So, again, defytyrants.com. That's exactly right. And plus, we send you a few extra items for free when you purchase the book at our website. Good, good. Well, let's talk about this case. And I saw this, I'm on your mailing list, and I saw this, it's now been a couple of weeks, I guess, an FBI agent who invokes the doctrine of the lesser magistrate. Tell us a little bit about, just for people who have not heard you before, give us a little bit of an overview of what is the doctrine of the lesser magistrate, and then we'll talk about how that applied in the FBI case. But what is the doctrine of the lesser magistrate? The doctrine is simply that

when the higher-ranking civil authority makes unjust or immoral law, policy, or court opinion, the God-given right and duty of the lesser-ranking civil authority is not to obey, and if necessary, to actively resist the superior authority. So that's as simple as that. That's what the doctrine is. It's found in Scripture. John Knox wrote the foremost treatise on the doctrine of the lesser magistrate, I believe, ever written in his 1558 appellation to the nobles of Scotland. The nobles were the lesser magistrates of his day. He cited over 70 passages of scripture in that treatise to show that this doctrine is sound in the word of God. And at the same time,

we see that it's not only practiced in Christian nations or in the Jewish nation, but we see that it was also practiced in non-Christian nations, showing that it's natural to man. And I actually start out my book with a story about a Roman governor who interposed against the emperor Caligula. Yes. And again, if you want to have rule of law, you have to have that, because otherwise you're going to have a dictatorship. If it's just going to be executive orders about this and that, if you're not going to have rule of law, you have to have some, you have to repair back to a standard that is going to be there know executive orders about this and that if you're not going to have a rule you have to have some you have to repair back to a a standard that is going to be there and that's what this is truly about and so there has to be a legal standard that has to be a moral standard and that needs to be above men that is the foundation of western civilization really

yeah if you give any man or any human institution unlimited power, unlimited authority, they will corrupt themselves. It's just read the history of man. It's a no-brainer. And so you want. And we've lived that. We've lived that. That's our lived experience right now in America in the 21st century. It's not a theory.

It's not something out of the history books. We can see it right now. Yeah. Absolutely. Well, tell us a little bit about this FBI whistleblower then that invoked the doctrine of the lesser magistrate. Well, his name's Garrett O'Boyle. And believe it or not, he actually hails from like 20 miles from where I live, where I'm sitting right now. And we put up his, he gave a talk in in Idaho and so we put that talk up on our

website to fight irons calm if people go there they can see what he has to say just follow the link and you're right in and when you hear him talk you're like thank God there's FBI agents who think like this guy does because he understood his duty in order to interpose and be a whistleblower. So he's in the FBI for four years. He was a Waukesha, Wisconsin police officer. Prior to that, has a wife, four children, of course starts acting crazy in 21, 22, late 20. So he begins to bring this to Congress's purview. And there's laws about this, about whistleblowers and how they're to be treated and whatnot. And the reason he did it, David, is because he saw that the FBI was using foreign counterterrorism measures on U.S. citizens, including moms and dads, mostly moms, who were going to school board meetings

because they were bothered about their kids being masked up. And of course, then it bled into other areas where their children are being taught despicable things that they knew nothing about prior to the masking. They're using those counterterrorism measures for foreigners on American citizens. And those are the American citizens they're concerned about, that they want to use these measures on. That's what he was whistleblowing about, that and other things. But that was a big one. Yeah, that's interesting isn't it i was doing yeah let me just interject here i'm sorry to interrupt you but you know the

that's one of the things i said the golden um lining a silver lining or whatever this cloud of lockdown uh you know god works in mysterious ways doesn't he and so as kids are locked down and they have to do online school, parents finally were able to see what was actually happening in their child's classroom. I've had this discussion with parents for decades, going back to even before we had our own kids, trying to tell them of my wife's experience in teaching school and things like that. They would never believe what was happening in the schools. They would always say, well, that's another school. Even if it came to their state or it came to their particular school, no, no, no, the

teacher in my classroom is fine. They were finally able to see that, yes, it is happening in my child's classroom. And so I think that that was a real blessing from God. Sometimes we see that in the storms of life, and it educated so many parents. But then when they go to the school board to complain about it, the FBI starts tracking them. Yes. Yeah.

We had the same experience as you. All of a sudden, all these people in the early 2020s are telling us, can you believe what these schools are teaching my son, my daughter? It's like we've been saying this for 30 years. It's like they just had this revelation. And of course, it was good to see parents realizing these things and understanding their duty and no longer just shirking it. And of course, they were still a minority, right? Maybe made up 10 or 15% of the parents overall. but that's a huge number for the american response to evil oh yeah so it was encouraging to see um so many parents realized for the first time and it led to many

of them either pulling their kids out and going to private schools or homeschooling yeah and that's the other thing you know all this stuff about socialization you've heard it as well well what about socialization it's like yeah what about socialization in 2020 how did that work out you know and so it just by by that awful thing that we went through uh god just pulled back the curtain and showed anybody who wants to there's no excuse for people to not understand that now they lived it so exactly it you know and they're concerned about social male-adjusted. I heard that beginning, me and my wife were homeschool kids can actually have a rational conversation with adults yes meanwhile the kids going to the government school are pondering whether they should use the kitty litter box to go to the bathroom or not inside the public restroom

who's got the crazy problem here yeah i remember and you know i lived through that because i went to a government school. If somebody is a year older than you, you were afraid of them. If they were a year younger than you, you had contempt for them, that type of thing. You can see that throughout the, you know. And so I'd say, yeah, we talk about socialization. Maybe they should be socialized by their parents rather than a kind of Lord of the Flies type of socialization, which is what they were getting in the schools even back then before they started all of this active agenda of propaganda,

sexualization, and all the rest of the stuff that we now see. I mean, it really got bad. But even when we look at the FBI, looking at people, we had back in 2013 uh ed snowden showed us that um they were spying on americans uh you know for no reason at all and uh and we knew that you know james clapper was uh questioned about that just a couple months before snowden released this stuff but even going beyond that the whole reason that we had fisa was because from its inception you had the cia and the nsa spying on Americans with a search

warrant, listening to their phones and so forth. So this has all been there. They created FISA to stop it. And then these people used FISA to give them legal cover to continue to do what they have been doing from their inception right after World War II. And so it's good that this stuff is coming out. And it's really good to see FBI agents who become whistleblowers about this. But again, it's still an issue, just like people seeing what's happening in the schools. How do we motivate people to do something about it? But it's very important that you have a whistleblower who does that. And I talked to the FBI agent friend.

I think his first name is Steve Friend. Talked to him a while back. And he was also somebody who was going to do the right thing. He was not going to violate the law. He was not going to violate his moral principles. And so they kicked him out, like so many people in the military who weren't going to violate their moral principles over the vaccine and other things like that. These institutions, it's just an evidence of how corrupt they are that they eject people who have moral concerns or want to obey the constitution isn't it absolutely yeah and he actually garrett boyle

in his interview if people take the time to watch and i would encourage them to do so talks about the fact that he believes the fbi is so corrupt that it needs to be abolished and one of the things he talked about also is how few of them, there's like five or six FBI agents that became whistleblowers of all this evil's going on. What does that tell you, David? I know. It tells you that the history books are right,

that most people go along to get along. That's right. That they only look out for themselves, that they accommodate themselves to the evil. They actually aid and abet the evil, either through their silence or their complicity with going along with the evil edicts that are made. So men like Garrett Boyle are massively rare and unfortunately. And so I would encourage you to take the time to listen to what he has to say and see how he thinks, because when you hear him, he's a Christian man, and he's theologically driven.

It's interesting because he mentions in there that the first time he heard about the doctrine of the lesser magistrate was from a CI, a confidential informant. Because they were spying on pro-lifers. The FBI is spying on pro-lifers. The FBI is spying on pro-lifers. And so his confidential informant tells him, oh, you're from Wisconsin? Have you ever heard of this pastor, Matt Chuella? And he wrote this book on the Doctrine and Lester. And he goes, that was the first time I ever heard of it and began to study about it. And he does a great job. To hear a former FBI agent talk about the doctor and the doctor, who's actually demonstrated to the hazarding of his own life and family,

you have no idea how good that is to the heart, Davis. So encouraging to see. Oh, that's great. Yeah, and that is what you said is so important, how few people push back. You know, how few people push back about this in any of these institutions whether you're talking about the fbi you're talking about the military whether you're talking about the hospitals right they're literally killing people on ventilators and i interviewed a woman who wrote pandemic nurse she volunteered to go up to new york from florida because she said i didn't see any pandemic in florida so she went to new york

they let her sit around for several days before they brought her in then when they gave her the to go up to New York from Florida because she said, I didn't see any pandemic in Florida. So she went to New York. They let her sit around for several days before they brought her in. Then when they gave her the tour, the doctor says, you know, these ventilators, more than, you know, 80, 88% of the people, whatever high 80s are going to die from this stuff. It's like, what is going on with this? But they were fine. You know, they were fine to do that because they were getting paid. And that's what we see in all of these institutions. The only way that we're going to have any change is if you're going to have people like Garrett Boyle, who is going to stand up to this.

O'Boyle is his name. Garrett O'Boyle. Garrett, G-A-R-R-E-T, and it's O-B-O-Y-L-E. That's how you spell his name if people want to look this up. Where can they find it? Can they find the link to this interview of his? Right at our website. It's our top story.

It's defytyrants.com. You'll see it right there. If you're on your phone, you've got to scroll down a little bit. But if you're on your laptop, it'll be right there. Good, good. That is key. You mentioned pay. And that is a huge thing because I was amazed like during COVID for example and all that was going on there, how many people would

comply just to keep their job and of course you're mentioning something much more dire about COVID where they're actually using protocols that are killing people And yet people would go along with it for the pay. They would justify it all in their mind, David, as, well, I got to provide for my family and I need this job. And I'm just like, who am I living amongst? Because most of them claim Christ in America still and go to church and you think like that? what are you listening to from your pulpits? That's right. You don't think that God's your provider? What you're saying is that if I do the right thing,

God's not going to provide for me. That's the antithesis of what we see throughout the Bible. God always provides. You may go through some difficult times, but he's always going to provide everything that you need that's the promise and if you're a christian you gotta you know you should be believing god for the promise but what that is is it's an act of uh of denial of god of disbelief uh that that god would be just and that he would honor those who honor him uh that that's a foundational thing about your relationship and your understanding of God.

I saw a lot of people who they didn't have a moral issue with the vaccine, but maybe they didn't understand that aspect of it. I think there is a moral issue to it. But that wasn't their concern. Their concern was that it was this thing that was untested and it was a situation where they had to take it or lose their job. And so they took it and then they were seriously injured and they couldn't do their job. And that's the other part of the tradeoff with it that just didn't make any sense. Made no sense whatsoever. Yeah, I have a son who was in the military, had a medical discharge.

So he has to go every year and get checked out by a doctor. And in fall of 2020, the doctor he meets with is the same guy he always meets with. And he says, can I get a letter from you about not getting the shot? Because at that time, they were talking about it. And it hadn't come out yet. And the doctor laughed at him and said, they never gonna make anybody get the shot. Well the next year that he came for the same appointment in September of 2021, the doctor is there, same one, and my son says do you remember our conversation last year? And he goes yes I do. And he goes I had to take my first shot in March this year and I've had nothing but problems within my body since then with severe back pain and other things, he said. So much so, and he's about 58 years old, 60 years old right in

there, so much so that I'm thinking about quitting my job because of how it impacted my health. He said, but I just decided a week ago, I really need my job. And so I'm going to get the second shot because it's mandatory to get the second shot. You know, he's in the Veterans Administration. And think of that, David. I just can't contemplate that in my mind. Where is the trust in the Lord? Like you're talking about? And, you know, you look at, but this, again, has always been a problem. So few people willing to stand. I mean, you know, Abednego and the other two weren't the only three young Hebrew men in Babylon at that time. You know, there were tens of thousands of them and three stood.

It's like, what in the world? So, yeah, as Christ people, especially when we name the name of Christ, we should stand true to him, to truth, and, you know, interpose him away on behalf of our neighbor. It isn't that always, it comes back to these same fundamental things that Jesus hammered all the time, you know, fear. Who do you fear? What do you fear? Do you fear a virus or a pandemic or disease, or do you fear God? And who do you trust? And what do you love? Do you love money more than your fellow man? Are you going to go through these procedures at the hospitals and do this to other people or even do it to yourself because of the love of money, that is the key thing.

And it's just these fundamental things that everything else is built upon, and it's really taken us down this path. I've talked to people, police officers who've been injured and can't work anymore. I've talked to a surgeon who can't do it anymore because his hand shakes all the time. It's just horrific, and yet there's been no accountability for any of it. because his hand shakes all the time. It's just horrific. And yet there's been no accountability for any of that. That's the other thing too, right? As Christians, we have to also, if we've been injured or we've had loved ones who have been injured or killed, I have a lot of listeners who have lost family members, spouses, and other things like that. We have to understand that that justice is with God.

And leave that with him and actually move on and not let that eat at us. We have to forgive that and move on. But we don't see any justice at all coming from the government. The government's job is not to forgive this kind of stuff, but to have an accounting for it. And yet we see exactly the opposite. The people who have been rewarded for this, the people who get to run again for president, the people who are talking about, well, next time,

let's make sure that we get the money from the MRNA to go into a sovereign wealth fund. That's what Luton is saying yesterday. All they're looking at is the money. Next time, how do we make more money out of this type of and there's no accountability for these people fat g is free yeah and all these people are free yeah and new schemes too yeah you know we're going to get a vaccine for cancer for mrna yeah designed by ai yeah exactly within 48 hours. Yeah. Oh, I can see them lining up for that one. And you're just like, you have to speak out when you see that kind of thing so people can understand what's right and what's true.

And unfortunately, you know, I am a churchman. I pastor a church here and we have, you know, about 250 people in the congregation. And what I found is, is most of my fellow churchmen are absolutely silent on anything dealing with injustice, whatever area it may be in, including what all went on with COVID. So much so that, you know, like, there's a guy here named Scott Schera, who has a case that hasn't been crushed yet, because most of them have been, that's moving forward because they killed his daughter. I know. I've talked to, I've interviewed Scott many times, his daughter Grace.

Yeah. My amazing Grace, I think is his amazing. Yeah. It's my amazing Grace. Yeah. I've talked to him many times and that's a landmark case that could make a big difference for a lot of people because one person stands up you get a an fbi whistleblower who stands up or somebody like scott who stands up and and uh says well i'm going to make sure this doesn't happen to somebody else and uh that that is a landmark

case because it's not simply about malpractice it's about the malicious acts of people who knew what they were doing and that's what we've seen over and over again. Yes, absolutely. Yeah. And so he'll tell you no churchmen want him talking about what happened with his daughter. Anyway, that's how much, how pietistic American Christianity has become. He attends our church from time to time. He's two hours away. He was just there last Sunday. Another man who took his case because they wouldn't let him use ivermectin. He was dying in the hospital, was there for months.

His family intervened for him with even public protests. Yeah, he's come to Christ since then. He attends our congregation now. But so rare are the churchmen who speak out that people, if they just spoke out on these things, would be drawn to hear what they have to say and would then hopefully come to know Christ as their Savior. That's right. And these are important matters. I've got to grab my charging cord because my thing's about to die on you.

Sure, absolutely. Well, while you do that, let me read this comment from Holistic Nurse, one who says, Fear is mentioned in the Bible over 300 times, and most Christians in name aren't reading his word. That's right. How many times do you hear in the Bible, fear not, fear not, fear not? And you don't really understand who God is

if you're afraid. You really don't. And if you step out in faith and take these challenges, then what that does is that helps you to see God. You know, when we go through these dark times and we step out in faith to say, well, this is really scary, but I'm going to do, I'm going to follow God. I'm going to follow these moral principles. What you find is that God has your back. I've seen that over and over again.

I love the illustration out of John Bunyan's Pilgrim's Progress, where there's a couple of lions on the path that he's got to go through. And he finally gets the courage to get up there close to him, and he realizes that they're on chains, and they can't get all the way to him. But we understand that even if we get ripped apart by lions, as many of the early Christians did, we understand that that is not the end of things. And so it's that understanding of what our relationship is with God and what this life is, is just a small little blip before eternity.

Those are the things that should keep us from being afraid, aren't they? Are you back, Matt? Okay, good. I'm here, yes. Yeah, and I want to, the tender care of God for his people is seen again and again. We saw it during COVID. I mean, we have one family, they had eight kids. The guy worked for a company for 20 years, wasn't going to go along with the fiction, lost his job, but God used it all for good. And we saw that with several other people in the congregation,

lost their jobs because they wouldn't go along with the fiction. And some of them might have had a harder time for a short time, as you mentioned, but in the end, they could see the goodness of God and how that all played out because of their simply being faithful to Him, trusting in Him. I remember when I was a young churchman, David, I left the denomination I was a part of, and it was a huge deal because of the money, because of the job security, because of all that stuff. You know, you're like, oh, this is a big deal.

And then you see God's care for you, and you just see it again and again and again throughout life yes and he is so faithful in caring for his people that's right and we just need to do right by him yeah when we sold our video business because we wanted to get out of the video business after we became christians and and i thought all right good you know and and we've put that aside and then the money that we got from it uh it was, the thing was a scam. The guy was a con artist that had put the whole deal together, and we lost everything. And I thought, wait a minute, I thought I was doing the right thing.

And what I didn't realize was going to happen was over the next few years, as we were living from one incident to the other, we saw God delivering for us just in time. And that was priceless. There wasn't anything that we could have gotten from that business. Amen. I see it time and time again in my life. You read about the saints of old, you know, they've written about God's care for them, and there's a whole new group of people who name His name, who because of the whole COVID thing have been able to experience that also and see the tender care of the Lord for his people. It's an awesome thing.

It is. And there were so many silver linings throughout all of COVID and amongst whatever evil is coming our way ahead. Cause I'll tell you, most people think, you know, we're getting out of this all with going to the voting box and drinking a latte afterwards. We're cool.

Living in a fantasy land, if you're theologically driven, you understand innocent blood is no small matter. That's right. And, yeah, there's judgment upon this nation. It's going to come. And, you know, we saw a delay when we read the scriptures and King Josiah being there. But two generations later, God brought his judgment. You have to understand these things that people need to understand. The most important thing we can do at this time is calm under repentance and faith in Christ.

I agree. Yeah, your audio is breaking up a little bit. I'm not sure what's happening with that. But while you take a look at that, I got a comment here from DG8. He says, David Spot on, I trusted that God would provide a way. Doing the right thing must be a priority in our life. Stand up for your freedom. I know cops who did wrong in 2020 and said, I'm just doing my job. Yeah, that's the sad thing that we have seen over and over again. And that's the excuse that you can always say, that you don't have any responsibility.

Well, you know, you're going to stand before God one day. You're not going to stand before your supervisor. You're not going to stand before the President of the United States. But you're going to answer to God for what you did. And that's the key thing that we need to all understand is that we're going to stand before God. And we need to, you know, we have to give an answer for what you did. And that's the key thing that we need to all understand is that we're going to stand before God and we need to, you know, we have to give an answer for what we did. Absolutely. Let's talk a little bit about another subject that you had out, and that is what is happening

with, and I'm still getting a little bit of audio issues there, but talk a little bit about TPUSA. with um and i'm still getting a little bit of um audio issues there but talk a little bit about uh tp usa uh and uh what is what is talking points usa that's charlie kirk's group and what is going on there because i've talked about uh what's going on with charlie in the past and and he's still doing the same thing but he's talking a lot about god he's doing a lot of god talk and yet he's doing some things that are very contrary to that that i find to be very concerning i think you do as well i do absolutely yeah and i can hear that noise too and i don't know what it is david i'm sorry that's okay we're good now yeah

we're good okay yeah um what happened here in wisconsin for example, was, you know, back in spring of 22, pardon me, spring of 23, less than two years ago, we had a big Supreme Court race and TP Faith, TP USA, TP Action, they're all the same thing, came in and they started running around all over our state, a man named Scott Presler. Scott Presler is an open, unrepentant sodomite. He's one of those guys you don't even have to wonder. I wonder if he's a homosexual because of how he talks. Yeah, he makes it clear. He makes it clear.

And he was, you know, led Gays for Trump. And so they're taking them, the Republican Party's allowing this to go on and participating in it with TPUSA and Charlie Kirk, putting an open sodomite on stages across our state. Well, I take great umbrage with that. As a churchman, I preached a sermon called Trojan Horse in the Republican Party, exposing it which i had many republicans tried to dissuade me from preaching that sermon both those sitting on the legislature those retired from the legislature politicos and whatnot but no our faithfulness needs to be to christ and our we had been helping this guy get elected and now all of a sudden you have this open homosexual there no we're not going to be silent about that so then they didn't learn from that instead what they did is for trump

running this last year for our state they gave scott presler five million dollars who gave him five million dollars oh that would be charlie kirk wow tp usa wow and the group there in order to run him all over our state to help get votes and um so while the latest thing is is and it isn't just charlie kirk there's other i'm pardon me it isn't just scott presley there's other homosexuals too yeah i remember there was something a couple of years ago that the head of he had he was touring and he was at that time he wasn't talking about christ he was talking about culture war and i remember and i've played it several times with several people who challenged him because he had a guy that was a black guy that was with him and they were both on stage and they were saying how does this help the culture war to have this homosexual with you there, right? And they got very angry and said, well, we got a big tent and all the rest of this kind of stuff.

And now he's doing the same thing with Scott Pressler. We've seen this at Mar-a-Lago. You know, Mar-a-Lago, they're welcome. They give awards to Melania. You know, the LGBT loves Melania. They've trumpeted the fact that they've got Rick Grinnell, who's openly homosexual now, Scott Besant, who is a treasury secretary. And it's not just that, you know, well, okay, this guy is, you know, this is his personal

life. We're not going to get involved. No, they're putting that out there as a virtue, as why this person is being chosen. Same as the left does. Right. Yeah. Yeah. And so on one hand while

trump's talking about how there's only two genders by the way i already knew that before you mentioned it i know yeah on the other hand he's a he's appointing to his cabinet more homosexuals than any other president prior to him that's the the duplicity and Charlie Kirk is involved in the same duplicity during Christmas, you know, just last month, a month and a half ago. December 21st, TPUSA, TP Action, TP Faith did a big thing, I believe it was out in the Phoenix area, Arizona area, thousands of people. Who did they put up there? And they're all applauding him and all shouting his name over and over again. Scott Presler, the homosexual, the sodomite. So yeah, you look at these things and one, he likes to, Charlie likes to push these videos where he speaks against

homosexual marriage or even homo sex. And, but then on the other hand here he is putting someone who practices that evil in positions of prominence putting them on a pedestal that should bother people and that should be called to account yes oh absolutely you know again it says one thing when it's being done by a purely political organization. You know, you say, well, these people are working against the values of Christ, and they're working against the family and all the rest of this stuff. But when it is somebody who's got this organization that says, we're TP faith, you know, and he wants to talk about, you know, put himself out there as some kind of an evangelist or apologist for the Christian faith, and he does this type of thing. That takes it to a whole new level.

It does, yeah. And so that needs to be called to account. I do. And the vitriol you get from so many Christians is stunning, including churchmen who are hooked up with TPUSA. I'm always like, so I would like you guys to expose where all your money comes from, because go try to find out where all their money's coming from. Good luck. And, you know, because usually when you can ascertain

where someone's getting their funding from, you can learn pretty much everything you need to know. Yes. And where do they get their money from? Because they have an unlimited supply. It is amazing. Yeah. $5 million just for him to go around.

And we see this again with Awaken America. And I've shown many times, you know, Michael Flynn there at the Department of Defense back in 2014, their second Pride Month. And he's pushing Chris Beck, the guy that was pushed, the Navy SEAL who was pushed into becoming a tranny and now has pushed back against that and said, you know, they did this to me as an adult. Imagine what they're doing to kids that are out there. But, you know, you've got all these people who have now reinvented themselves. And, you know, the Reawaken tour is just one of those things. He's going around. He's actually, you know, plagiarized and has – they go to church buildings.

And they've got all these people there in this quasi-religious political ceremony, and he's got them reciting after him a prayer from Elizabeth Clare Prophet, who is this New Age guru, you know, and he's got all these people in a building there. It's a church building, like it's some kind of a Christian event, reciting this prayer to ascended masters. It's insane what's going on. It is. And that's the thing that bothers me most about it all, David, is they're using

Christ and Christianity to fuel it, to pump it, to hoodwink those who name his name. That's it, hoodwink. Yeah. And then there's the churchmen sitting by silent when we look at the book of Acts with the elders of

Ephesus and Paul making clear to them, you have a duty to guard the flock. You have a duty to speak truth and come against evil. And we don't see that amongst the churchmen. Instead, what I've seen with many churchmen, even some I had respect for, they get hooked down to this whole Charlie Cook wagon train. They get paid massively good amounts of money. Oh, yeah. Well, you know, I've seen it. And you can't help but think to yourself, is it the money?

Yeah. Yeah. I've seen this with media. You know, people, they're really ultimately hooking themselves to Trump. You know, that's what this is really about. That's what Charlie Kirk has done in a big way. And so you've got a lot of people who are afraid to criticize Trump because they know a lot of people are going to walk out of their church.

You know, you've got people who do the news, and they're afraid to say anything critical about Trump because they know they'll turn you off. And, you know, they'll turn you off and they'll flip you off. I've experienced that personally, you know. So it's, you know, people don't want to look at it in an objective way. It's become really a personality cult. And I think that's what's really dangerous about it.

As you pointed out before, you knew there were two genders before Trump decreed it with an executive order. And that's the key. So many people out there are glorifying trump for this and i said why didn't we do this from the grassroots i mean i never i never bowed to any of this stuff i was never ashamed to say anybody that no you're not a you're not a i haven't had any experiences with that but i wouldn't be ashamed to to say that to anybody i'm not going to pretend that you're a different sex than you are. I wasn't going to do that.

That's a real Orwellian tactic, but it's a tactic to get you to submit to them. But, you know, even going to the pro-life issue, Matt, so many people were singing Trump's praises as he was trashing the pro-life movement, blaming it for midterm election losses that I thought were predominantly the big high-profile people that he got behind were people like Dr. Oz. And it was the people that he put forward and he pushed that were losing, and yet he blamed it on the pro-lifers and said, you know, well, I did all this stuff for them and then they abandoned me.

And I've said for the longest time time people need to give god the glory for overturning roe v wade people prayed about that for decades and then when it happened they give the glory to trump and he doesn't even want it he doesn't even want it right yeah and the gop has been pumping that fiction everywhere across the country including here our state wisconsin that you know we have to stay away from the abortion issue it's a losing issue 15 weeks you know where 95 percent of the abortions have already been committed that's when you can start talking about having laws against it 15 weeks and it's such a lie and you know you and I know David we've watched this for decades. The GOP and the conservatives, fact that no you can't even you don't you cower every time it's brought up rather than you know taking them to task and using it as an

opportunity to speak truth and to defend your pre-born neighbor that's right um it's a it's about and this garrett boyle when people listen to his interview, too, it's funny because he brings up how he was, by the FBI, told to look into pro-life matters. And he said it was interesting because I'm pretty much an abolitionist, he said, when it comes to abortion, which was interesting to hear um because that's not a term many within the civil realm would want to ascribe to themselves at all um especially following the wisdom of the gop and what they're trying to peddle at this time for people to accept oh i agree but it is like uh you know slavery because we're talking about personhood i mentioned this um yesterday i think it was um or friday there was a mountain in new zealand that the pagans there that basically gave personhood to this mountain and i said that that's the isn't that interesting you know they have very very uh liberal abortion laws that basically don't punish people for

anything uh in new zealand so babies don't have personhood, but a mountain does. And it's not the first time they've given nature a personhood. They've done it for a river. They've done it for a park or whatever. Now they've done it for a mountain. And so we just don't understand what it means to be in the image of God. And I think that's a key thing that we need to recover with that, and that is the personhood. And, you know, we talk about the lost opportunities.

I said all through the campaign. I said, you know, you could do it in a positive way. There's a cartoon out there. I don't know if you've seen it or not. It was an animated film where this guy who was an ultrasound technician witnessed an abortion. He was called, and he didn't know it was going to be an abortion. And so he talks about what he saw, the baby being ripped apart, and they depict it in a cartoon fashion. And you could go with something like that, but you could also take the positive and show how,

you know, with 4D ultrasound, you could show how the babies are human beings, but they don't do any of that stuff. They didn't use the opportunity to show any of that stuff. You could even go for the shock treatment, and it could show what the babies look like when they're ripped to pieces and removed from the mother, and they assemble them to make sure they got all the pieces out.

That would be allowed and has been done by some candidates who ran for office they can't stop that but no none of the republicans would actually show what the murder process is they wouldn't show the results of it they wouldn't even go positive and show what life is they just ran from the issue and it was amazing this is yeah rather than coming out swinging they cower. That's right. And, yeah, I've seen it times. And that is a good means, too. The one you mentioned about someone running for office at the federal level, they can show the preborn, both those developing in the womb and those who've been murdered by the abortionists.

Yeah. who've been murdered by the abortionist yeah um something we did back in 2002 we had a number of people in our um you know group uh run for federal office because then you can't be censored and they were able to show actual footage of what the pre-born looked like after they've been in the hands of the abortionist which of course there are no pretty pictures of murder. No. And so people would see it for the awful thing that it is and it'd have a huge impact on them because most people have been taught abortion is just the removal of some tissue and cells and it's very you know discreet and clinical. When they see the actual child butchered, it has a visceral impact upon their minds and their thinking. So I think it's very good to show those photographs.

I'm always reminded, too, of the story out of Judges where the guy's concubine is mistreated by a pack of sodomites all night long, and she ends up dying. And so he ends up cutting her body into pieces and sends them out to the 12 tribes of Israel. So they didn't just see pictures of the atrocity. They had the actual body parts sitting in front of them. And what was the response of the men of Israel? 400,000 of them rallied with arms and said, who's responsible for this?

That's the godly response. What you get from most Christians today, if you show the photographs of the murdered pre-born, is, oh, I'm offended. Yes. I'm offended that he showed that. How dare you show that to me yeah yeah it is something of course we are that's right yeah we we know uh about the spirit of life that

is in human beings even in animals that's why uh you know you you don't um it doesn't upset you necessarily to see a plant that is broken and laying on the ground but you see an animal even that has been butchered uh that ought to um that has a visceral effect on people and for justifiable reason and yet we've turned the other direction we looked away from this for so long and we told people don't show us what this is and uh and that's the key thing people aren't doing anything now you're in you're in minnesota is that right or no wisconsin wisconsin okay i was gonna say right in the middle i was thinking for some reason that you're in minnesota it's like you're in tim waltz land that's gonna that's a really tough tough place but at least you're not there that's good that's good you're in wisconsin uh so um what is the situation there in terms of uh after roe v wade has been overturned with dobbs what's the situation there in terms of uh after roe v wade has been overturned with dobbs what's the

situation there with abortion uh in your state of wisconsin you know abortion there were no murders here for 14 months um because our um we had a law from 1848 i believe it was um criminalizing any abortion there was nothing at all All the death camps closed down. And then Planned Parenthood decided to push the envelope. And we're just going to act like the law doesn't exist. We're going to open up and we're going to start murdering babies. Well, of course, we were out there the first day and the police made it clear that we're going to jail, not them. And they said, they even had the police officers tell us there was a meeting with all of us this morning that we're not

upholding 940-04. That's our state statute from all the way back in the 1940s. We're not upholding that law. So if any of those pro-lifers, you know, tried to intervene to protect the pre-born in a real tangible sense of locking the door or something, they go to jail and you protect the abortionist. Think of that, David. Oh, yeah. And we didn't have one magistrate anywhere in our state who could do something something actually do something. We had one in Madison area because the death camps are here in Milwaukee and in Madison. We had a county official call upon

the police chief and the sheriff to arrest the abortionist under 940 because he has no power or authority to make that happen but at least he wrote to them and admonished them to do their duty and uphold the laws of Wisconsin so since then the other death camps have opened up once they saw Planned Parenthood was getting away with it and right now there's a case before a supreme court which still hasn't been decided it's been going on for well over a year now in order to um uh gut our um statute 940.04 and through the judiciary of course and um and make it so like there is no law against abortion even on the books. That's where we're at right now. Last year, a year ago, at this very time, I testified at a public hearing brought by the Republicans. They wanted abortion to be outlawed from 15 or pardon me, 14 weeks forward

from there. In other words, 95% of the murders have already taken place and there were such scoundrels about it, David, that they didn't just do it themselves because they could have did it in the assembly and the senate because they have the majority. They ran it as a bill that would then pass so that the people could vote on it in the state. Kind of like, let's wash our hands of this and throw the pre-born to the mob and have mob rule. Because in a republic, law matters. And including God's law.

It's been that way in Western civilization for nearly 2,000 years. And what they're doing is dismantling a republican form of government and creating mob rule, a raw democracy where the mob decides you get to live, you, you're going to die. It's wicked. And they are cowards.

I mean, at the federal level, typically they kick everything over to the bureaucracy. They don't want to do their job. So at the state level, they kick it over to the mob for a referendum. That's horrible. And, of course, if they don't like the law, they kick it over to the uh to the mob for a referendum that's that's horrible um and of course if they don't like the law they just ignore the law we've got less than a minute matt uh tell us again uh what you got there in terms of people go to get um uh the book the lesser magistrate you got a special thing for them if they go to defy tyrants.com and of course that fbi whistleblower that was that we about earlier, you've got that video there. Anything else you want to tell us about?

Oh, no, that was pretty good. If you do get the book at defytyrants.com, we throw in a CD. I know that's archaic, but I'm old school and I have to have something physical. I like that. We do have a CD of a sermon i gave to the montana legislature we just throw that in there for free um i gave that sermon back in 2015 we're the only state that still uh does election sermons and they had me come in and speak on the doctrine the lesser magistrate it's a powerful sermon oh that right. It's a blessing to you.

It's a good one to give to your churchmen. It's a good one to give to your magistrates in your area. We also will give you some stickers and some literature on top of the book also. That's great. And your book does change minds. It absolutely does. And so thank you so much for what you've done. It's an excellent book, folks. It's a fast read.

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