The David Knight Show - INTERVIEW Wargaming the American Apocalypse

Episode Date: February 27, 2024

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Jack Lawson, he just told me he couldn't hear the Supremesies. He loves that group, but he didn't get the audio feed of the music coming out there. Jack Lawson, publisher of Civil Defense Manual, the two-volume book that you can find at civildefensemanual.com, we talk about here frequently. It covers so many different topics. But, you know, today we've got a lot of different topics to talk about here because there are so many different threats on the horizon. And they're all escalating in so many different ways. So joining us now is Jack Lawson. Thank you for joining us, sir.

Always a pleasure, David. Always a pleasure. Good to have you on. Let's talk a little bit about, you know, the first time we ever talked. Let's begin with what happened with AT&T last week. Because the first time we ever talked, we talked about how fragile the infrastructure is. And so, you know, we had the cell phones go down. And part of that was, as I talked about last week, the effect that happened was it grounded a lot of transportation. A lot of trucking was shut down because it created complications for them and dispatchers and other stuff like that. So we see over and over again how an attack on some ancillary part of the infrastructure, for example, the pipeline, the colonial pipeline, they shut down their accounting system.

So then they shut down the pipeline. No oil is moving if we can't get paid for it. You shut down things like the cell phone system. And, of course, they have a lot of different apps. Many truckers depend on when they are running that. So you just shut down things like the cell phone system. And of course, they have a lot of different apps. Many truckers depend on when they are running that. So you just shut down all the shipping. So it's very easy to shut down stuff like this. You've been looking at this and your son is kind of a computer expert as well, a cybersecurity or something.

What is your take on it? Do you think it was multiple choice here? Was it a solar flare? Was it ransomware? Was it an at&t upgrade or was it a hack what do you think probably a little bit of everything uh when i say that i mean it in this light uh i've got a friend who uh i graduated from high school with he's a dirt poor farm kid like me. He ended up being a director of electronics for Lockheed for their skunk works. And he has a program, a lot of them, that he looks at.

He's retired now, but one of them is the measurement of solar flares. And he warned me a couple of days ahead of time that there were going to be some really bad X-class solar storms, which would interfere most likely with a lot of our frequency systems in the country. Second thing being uh my son is uh he's a very intelligent boy i had to joke he was sergeant of his marine corps scouts sniper unit and i said you survived that you still got an iq of 165 so he's he's gotten himself a really good job he's a very intelligent guy he's the cyber security one of the managers for a Fortune 500 company. There's only a couple of them there. But he has a very unique perspective of what goes on.

And he said the hacking has got an epidemic. It's never going to stop, no matter what they put in for systems. And I think the third thing that everybody is overlooking is the, what, what I actually term the destruction of human productive time by technology colliding with itself. When I say technology colliding with itself, I'm talking about such things as normal functions people use on a computer that are constantly being updated or they're getting to the point to where

uh two-stage identification ping backs all of this are causing problems with them interrelating with other programs that they've been with i spent an hour and a half yesterday on the phone with my banker and i get a lot of uh they they helped me out quite a bit and uh it it was it blew me away what we had to go through to reconnect one particular system and it's all it's all from uh from some some of this is necessary because of the hacking but uh i think some of those also i was involved with software development one time it was what i call the uh uh what if syndrome people that are working on these programs and our mrs mis directors are always saying what if it could do this what if it could do that and they diffuse their activities and in the process

they think that their system is the only one you're dealing with so consequently what you end up with constant changes to programs that look simple to them and beneficial to the customer, but are a total disaster and are functioning without relating together. Yeah. Uh, I really think you probably hit part of it. There is the, uh, I don't think so much hacking as the solar flares. Well, I looked at the solar flares. I thought, well, it looks like this is more heavily focused on AT&T than it is on other carriers, although there were several carriers that were done. And I didn't see that anybody, even AT&T, when they came out with it, they said, well, we messed up a software update. It's like, okay, well, if you messed up a software update, how did that affect these other companies? And if it was a solar flare and, you know, uh, some people put that out, talked about

the X flare that was coming out, but then they also, uh, uh, I think it was Noah, uh, national oceanic and atmospheric administration said, uh, no, it wasn't a solar flare. So, but when you look at a solar flare, I would expected that just like an EMP or something, it would have affected a wider range of hardware and it would have been a hardware base and it would have expected that just like an EMP or something, it would have affected a wider range of hardware. And it would have been hardware-based, and it would have affected more than just primarily a handful of carriers and primarily AT&T. So I looked at it, and I thought, well, as you point out, it certainly is a cybersecurity nightmare now and is getting worse all the time. I just look at this stuff and what I, that's usually my default fallback position.

Somebody's messing around with something deliberately somewhere. Now who it is, we don't know, right? If it's a state actor and he's, you know, anybody can, can look like anything that they want to evolve seven.

We know that, right? Uh, they got the tools to disguise themselves as Russia or North Korea or anybody. Uh, but, But, you know, is it done because of a criminal gang or is it done by a state actor? That's always the things that we can never really know when something like that is happening. But it does show the vulnerability. physical thing or whether it is a hack attack whether it's done for uh private criminals

wanting to make money or because of a state attacking another state or because of a false flag attack by that the the bottom line is is that we have a very fragile infrastructure and it continues to get more and more fragile doesn't it my god i can't believe how we've painted ourselves in a corner yeah uh we really don't't have much of anything for defense against this type of thing. I mean, these people have hacked everything. The postal system's tracking service was down from what I can determine during that time. My mortgage company, one of the biggest, if not, I think it's the biggest in the nation. My mortgage company was down for 11 days somebody got inside their system and I don't know what all happened whether

it was a ransomware thing somebody wants 300 million dollars or or whatever to put them back online but uh they were feverishly working to get the system functioning again yeah I cannot believe how we painted ourselves in a corner day. I mean, you talk about dropping a nuclear bomb on this country. It just about as bad. Yeah. Shutting his computer computer systems down. Don't you think?

Oh yeah. As a matter of fact, that one person I talked to frequently about, um, cybersecurity issues. He just goes by the name of goat tree. He says, you know, when he looks at this, he's's a consultant that come they hire him to troubleshoot this stuff his fallback position is when something like this happens and it's some kind of an attack or some kind of equipment failure first thing he looks for is okay so what's going on with the people who might profit from this on the inside you know he typically looks at it's like an inside job not necessarily a hack from the outside

by a state actor or by a criminal group for ransomware. But usually sometimes it's going to be somebody doing something on the inside because they're getting ready for retirement and they want to do something. Look at the janitor. Yeah, exactly. Or the CEO. It's just incredible how people don't, they just don't have any concept shut your cell phone off for a day yeah you get an idea of uh what is the term they have they have a term for it addiction it's

no it's like an abandonment complex for a baby being left outside you know that's the effect it has in your mind and i it just blows me away they really how absolutely critical it is that these systems that we're relying on them yeah and uh it just blows me away but outside of that i'm not any expert on uh x-class solar floods i just know my friend called me out of the blue and uh he's uh's, uh, got all kinds of electronics degrees. And he said, look out, you know, next couple of days. Yeah. There were problems. Yeah.

Not severe enough to destroy the electronics, but severe enough to enter. I've had, I was in electronics in the air force. Archaic now, but, uh, it wasn't severe enough to destroy semiconductors. It causes a reverse current through them that blows them up, essentially. When it comes down, it doesn't know which way it's going in a circuit. And if it goes in, it goes in the wrong way, it'll go against what is the normal semiconductor flow pattern, and it'll burn it out. But it wasn't bad enough for that, but it was bad enough to disrupt the RF signals that were being sent out. Yeah, and of course, you and I have talked in the past about EMP and the fact that the government's not doing anything to protect against that.

But even just the simple stuff, the gross neglect that we see in the border situation. And that's a whole other area there that we need to be concerned about. And that is the fact that we just have rampant crime, gangs that can come in, that type of thing. I mean, your take on the border and the kind of threat that presents to us and the kinds of things that we need to do to address that threat. Well, what blows me away is I ran across something the other day. We're talking about, and I'm not picking on anybody's church because there are plenty of them to pick on here. I've never even heard of some of these organizations a number one got 740 42 million dollars last year was catholic charities u.s conference of catholic

bishop lucerne church got 471 million i don't know what church world services is 433 million world relief that's supposed to be another church uh 416 million hebrew immigrant aid society 186 million the episcopal migration ministries whatever that is 146 million these people don't need anybody to put anything in the offering plate anymore. I mean, they have money coming in left, right and center. Apparently this money is being paid by us. Yes. Our taxes into the UN and being dispersed back for those people. Not on any other basis other than they get paid per head.

I think it's $300 a head for each person. I don't know that for sure. Yeah, yeah. You look at this. It's astounding. It's astounding. You know, it's a perfect thing for that because they can always make the case that they're doing it out of compassion and humanitarian interest. And yet there is also a mercenary aspect of it.

And they become tools, regardless of what their motivation is. They become tools of this whole network of NGOs. And I guess maybe Soros is the pope of some of those churches or something. Could be. Or Ursula von der Leyen. Maybe she's a pope of one of these churches. They can say whatever they want to justify themselves and i've got this lunatic thinking in my family too i'll just say this if you want to

live in a third world country bring the third world here which is exactly what they're doing they have no concept of what six or 30 million people that are totally uh alien to our culture will do to this culture that's right and uh i as far as these churches professing uh altruism on this my last uh i parachuted into zombia in 1978 and i was astounded these guys said come over here look at this and i walked over to a pile of suds suds is ground mealy corn it's like flour is to us there's ground wheat to us they grind up big kernels of maize corn and put water in it and cook it and i went over there and I just about, if I'd had false teeth, I would have dropped in the ground. I could not believe donated by World Consulate Church's Methodist Senate. That's the church I was baptized in.

That's the church I was brought up in until my mom, even despite her threats to waterboard me, I wasn't going anymore. And I didn't go to that church for a long time. But I saw this, and I was furious about it. They knew exactly where this was. This is a communist camp. And that's where the food was gone, and they knew where it was gone. And then I find out that 60 Minutes has one full hour on this thing, somewhere around 1984 or 5

of course they always report the news when their side has won and they have got another thing to bash and it was bashing Christianity through this article but they showed the same thing that I saw

and my mother played the organ for 50 years in the Methodist church. I told her about this and he refused to believe me. You know, I mean, rest her soul. She's a good woman, but she just couldn't con conceive that somebody would do this thing.

So they can say whatever they want, bringing these people in, uh, when Venezuela empties this prison system out and they're bringing them in. I mean, it's already started to happen. Cops were getting attacked. And we've seen this before. I grew up in Florida.

I remember when Castro emptied out his prisons and sent them into Florida. That was nothing compared to the scope of what is happening with this. And when you look, I've talked many times about that small island in Italy where they had a population of 6,000 people, small island, and they brought in 18,000 young single males into that area that was supporting 6,000. That's total chaos. That is completely destroyed, and that's by design.

And again, as you point out, our government is paying for it. What do you think about what is happening at the border? I mean, I look at this and, you know, at first you can say, well, at least the governors are saying we have to take some responsibility for this. And if the federal government's not going to act, we need to do something. But they're not doing anything. I've seen Abbott do these little, uh, you know, displays of parking, uh, state trooper cars down at the border and a small line.

I've seen him do that kind of stuff before. It's all focused on just one little town and Eagle pass. Right. Uh, you know, do you think that anything is, is going to change even with the governor's talking about this? I don't either.

They're just, uh, they're, they're going through the motions. Yep. Like typical politicians do go through the motions, appear like you're doing something. Uh,

you know who Michael Yon is. Oh yeah. He is very, very distrustful of Abbott. And I tend to believe what Michael Yon says, because he has sources. I believe, uh, that are calling him in the middle of the night telling him really what's going on this is all purposeful yes the uh attempts

by states to stop this certainly won't happen in arizona won't happen in new mexico uh they're never going to put any kind of a border resistance or California. Texas, yeah, they're going through the motions, but Eagle Pass is not going to stop these people. No, and it's only like a two-mile area there that they're talking about, two and a half miles or something. And people have gone down the border and said, look, there's nothing down here. We got, you know, no wall or big doors on the wall and that type of thing. That's my take on Abbott as well. And I've interviewed Michael Young in the past.

I think he is a straight shooter. I don't think that the Republicans are straight shooters. They understand what people are concerned about and they will position themselves and signal that they are doing something about it when in actuality, they don't do anything at all about it. So it's really up to us. And how is this going to definition?

You just said the definition of a politician. That's right. That's right. Well, unfortunately the Democrats will do some of the stuff that they promised to do. Well, bad stuff.

Yeah. If people go to, uh, my civil defense manual.com, look at my latest interview. I did. I did it with, uh,

uh, a group that I support. It's a disabled organization. And a guy by the name of Stan Szymanski. He's a brilliant man. He first attracted my attention by some of... He was a financial planner. Some of the articles he wrote about the potential for disruption of our economy attracted my attention years ago and uh

stan and we did a back and forth thing we call it war gaming the american apocalypse because uh doom and gloom well i don't care what know. It's realism. It is going to go down. There are so many issues confronting this country that have never collectively been there. You'll hear this from anybody with a sound mind. There are so many issues affecting this country that I can't possibly see mathematically that one of them doesn't happen. And Jan says there's a hundred some thousand plus Chinese in. He will not disclose his sources, but I believe it's probably patriotic Americans in the Justice Department, the CIA, the Homeland Defense, there are still people in there. I think probably 80% of these organizations don't like what's going on, but the hierarchy and

20% of them are basically pulling all the illegal things that they want to do. So the point being this, if there are that many people inside this country it's no different than having troops in uniform he says they're all intelligence police or military people that's right the vast majority of them again don't know where he gets his information but i tend to believe what he says he doesn't just come out and make stories up oh yeah and we had a thing a couple of weeks ago i didn't really cover it on the show but um there was a guy who was playing piano in a public area in the uk and there was a group of young chinese that were kind of there in the background and they were talking and everything and they got on his video and then

they realized that they were in the field of view of his video and they confronted him and told him he had to delete that and all that kind of stuff and then uh he kept the camera rolling and that became a viral video that the fact that they would demand that they have to have anonymity because they're here with the chinese government and all this you know that that type of thing that is happening all over the place and and we've seen many indications of that the chinese are getting involved in universities and other things like that it's a very deliberate process i've i've had quite a bit of the experience i come from a color crayon box family i don't have any chinese but i've got koreans and vietnamese my family they're orientals um again you know that's i love them or uh don't talk to them depending on the way they treat me you know

but i get along with most of them and uh it's not based on the shape of eyes or color of skin i've got blacks in my family too point being this uh the chinese are very xenophobic uh they're it's it amazes me i have a good chinese friend highly educated who told me they were the original capitalists and i said what you're communist china no no no that's that's all that's that's all by the wayside no matter what uh mayo se tong did or anybody else. We're all capitalists at heart. It's in our DNA. And I was astounded to hear this person tell me that's why they came up with this marriage between capitalism and this economy they have

and the Communist Party. It's because they can't get rid of two things in the Chinese. The Chinese secretly worship God. They're most of them are Christians. And the second thing is, is they can't get this capitalism out of them. No matter how many times they execute somebody for secretly selling cigarettes on the street or whatever,

they all do it. And I was astounded to listen to that, but we have a hundred thousand of them in our country. I mean, how one rifle, you can shoot a hole through the bottom of a transformer this was done medford california i believe is the place they did it to uh something coordinated a spotter two marksmen absolutely put a large part of the california electrical grid down and that was with about three or four shots from

high-powered rifles we have a hundred thousand of them if only 2,500 of them get out and start doing that that's 50 people in every state i noticed where i lived the power company has started positioning a vehicle outside of their transformer station that happened for about two or three weeks a month ago then it just disappeared again so yeah they heard a threat about that or something yeah and the problem is is that there's not a lot that we can do about it we can't get the government to uh protect the border and then even when you look at the government protecting the border uh the concern is are they going to set up some kind of um you know, virtual wall that is going to be a surveillance system?

Is that then going to migrate into the rest of the United States? Is the wall going to be used to keep people in? And when you look at it from just even an economic standpoint, we have this giant welfare magnet pulling people in. That can bankrupt us. So, you know, how do we push back against this? You know, is it going to be used as a cat's paw to get us to accept a surveillance state, to accept a digital ID in order to try to bring back some sense of order? There's,

there's a lot of chaos that's being sown, but, but what do you think is the key threat right now for America? To me, the key threat is exactly what well, let's put it this way. The key threat are all of these illegals in this

country that we don't know anything about. We don't know where they are. Nobody's watching them as far as I know. And that is the key threat. They could bring our infrastructure. You talked earlier about how dependent we are on the digital systems that we have and power,

and one of those could take out both of them, and that is just simply destroying transformer stations and transformers and cell sites and this type of thing. It goes down down and everything comes to a standstill uh i can imagine but i don't want to live through what goes on after that happens 95 percent of the people in this country uh got two or three cans of beans in their pantry and that's it yeah they don't have any food they don't have any water stored up and that's the first thing that's going to kill people's lack of water why because i've read stories i've been without water for four days i know what it's like you start going out of your

head and i've read uh uh and had people tell me that they knew people that drank motor oil just because it was fluid. Wow. Uh, it's, it's the insanity that takes your, takes over your head. I was close to that too. I mean, uh, it was. Well, I know there's the tales of people who get, um, you know, ship, right. The ship goes down there in a lifeboat and, and they're hoping that they can get rescued or whatever some of them do, but you know you know, they start against their better judgment.

They'll drink seawater, you know, and that's it. Well, we drank our 5% drip solutions. Did it help us? Temporarily, but it puts you in a worse state afterwards. Yeah. Luckily for us, I was too stupid to know what I was doing. Luckily for us, we got out of it before uh too long but there we're in such a fragile state that it it actually uh it it frightens me i think the

biggest thing is an attack i think that we don't tell me that these people couldn't go door to door with lists of people you me included judges policemen sheriff uh federal officials and just kill people yeah what's to stop them from doing that i'm seeing things about the chinese coming in i don't want to pick on them especially because there's plenty of other ones from other countries they're going to shooting ranges and and shooting now part of that is because the orientals are deprived of guns the japanese they come to las vegas uh they'll go to spend four thousand dollars in machine gun range because they don't get to shoot or have any weapons over there but the point being this is that i think the biggest danger we have immediate danger is the possibility of a coordinated attack.

And everybody's got information on who fits into the conservative side or traditional side, who's a troublemaker like you and I. That is a possibility. I prepare for that type of thing. But the bottom line is, and you need to too, but the bottom line is, uh, I don't think it'd be that so much. Why should they waste their time doing that? They can take out this system by taking the electrical grid out. And that happens without people shooting holes and transformers.

That's right. That happens periodically. And of course it could happen in slow motion you know we're looking at what's happening in mexico city they have they're facing a massive massive water shortage and again it's an urban area so these people don't have any backup system they don't have any any well that they can draw from or anything they're totally dependent on infrastructure they're one of the most heavily populated cities in the world and they're looking at not being able to get basic water to people and that's what um this kind of chaos a government that doesn't have is incapable or unwilling to

provide an infrastructure and then you pack people together and this is a hallmark of what is happening at the border with all of these Central and South American countries, you know, sending up prisoners, sending up cartels. And I'm sure it would be very easy for the cartels to start doing incursions across the border. They've gotten right up to the border, having shootouts with Mexican federales and that type of thing. Yeah, they've got some incredible

military hardware too i mean i've seen pictures of uh stuff that uh i mean you know where it came from it came from afghanistan yeah most likely there or the ukraine yeah there's a lot of corruption going on there but uh i think that people uh don't really understand the water is taken for granted. Water weighs eight pounds per gallon. If you're going to haul five gallons of water, you're hauling 40 pounds. Water is much more difficult to keep from spoiling, so to speak speak as bacterial growth much more difficult uh to store then and keep long term than uh food is really and uh people you know you i feel like an insurance salesman sometimes trying to talk to people about food because they take it so granted water they take it so granted it's like an intangible unseeable insurance policy because not that they

can't see these is just their mind. Can't conceive of being without them. Yeah. But, um, and of course, uh, people go to, um, civil defense, uh, manual.com. Uh, you got a free chapter there from the book about water because that is so key and and so core that you want people to have that information you know another thing too jack in just the last last week or so the mainstream media has picked up the case of this amish farmer amos miller i don't know if you saw that but he's in a thing with the state department of agriculture there

but they really want to shut down individual farms. Now, Thomas Massey has got his prime act, and he's taken this as an advocacy, and it's really resonated with a lot of Republicans, even with a lot of Republican officials at the state level. And so now the mainstream media is pushing back against all this stuff. It is really vital for them to keep us dependent on them for their food and and so that's a key thing that you talk about uh we talk about our our current food supply

and how do we um how do we get this uh garden to a table uh type of food supply uh for our own benefit yeah and it's worse than garden a table uh the the systems they have now uh you go to the grocery store and buy a loaf of bread it's automatically ordering another loaf of bread before you walk out the door so by within probably 12 to 24 hours at the latest uh they've restocked with every loaf of bread that went through their cashier line so if there were 1 000 loaves of bread there's another thousand loaves of bread they're delivered probably by two o'clock four o'clock in the morning and in the process of this direct from manufacturer to the grocery store there's no reserve anymore it's it's a absolute uh hand-to-mouth system as far as

supply they used to have warehouses full of foods and of course they would move those fairly quickly but it it's no longer there so they're they're literally we are we are standing at the end of the water pump and waiting for somebody to crank the handle before we can get our cup full. It's the way it is. And it's that way with food also. It's very disturbing to look at it from that side. A lot of people don't want to realize, hey, we're America. We've never had anything like third world problems like this.

That's because you're probably geographically more than anything. We have never, uh, really had to face these issues, but now the illegals inside this country and the technology that we have saddled ourselves with are threatening to change that defense we had, that geographic defense. It's no longer there. And, of course, you know, the technology has made us dependent on it in so many different ways besides the just-in-time delivery. That was the first thing you and I ever talked about, all these different legs of, um, you know, the supply chain.

Uh, we saw that busted significantly during 2020, after we had talked about it, I talked to you the first time was way, way before, um, uh, 2020. Uh, but you know, we, we saw a bit of what happened with that when we just had the arbitrary closure of so many different things and even, even changing the way that the products would be delivered. You know, you're not going to be able to go to your office and eat there in the cafeteria. You can't go there to use the restroom. Those were all closed. So now we got toilet paper that's in a format that we can't get to you even as a consumer.

We got food that's in a format we can't get to you as a consumer. All these sorts of things. So we saw massive amounts of food being destroyed but people couldn't find anything on the shelf it's so easy in this kind of complex system to break it just as we saw with the cell phones and shutting down a lot of truckers because they couldn't get their cell phone to work so it's incredibly uh fragile and i guess you know that that's one of the reasons why your, your book is so important. I think it's very important for people to start to take some measures, anything that

they can do from the beginning, as you pointed out, just to, you know, getting a few, you know, occasionally buying cans of food and setting them aside because it's going to last for quite a while. Just gradually doing things like that. They can simply start storing some water. Water is the first thing that's going to kill people, either the lack thereof or drinking something that isn't potable, something that's not safe to drink. That could be anything, water, bad water, or anything other than that. You can get water out of a stream up in the mountains that looks so crystal clear.

Oh, my God, this is from God. This is God's hand that has given me this water. And if you drink it, you'll be sicker than a dog at the end of the day i've done this been through it i think that the funny thing is we are so abundant here my wife being from zimbabwe africa formerly rhodesia she still is amazed to go find a tube of toothpaste because there are 40 50 different types of toothpaste what kind you want what flavor do you want what consistency you want jelly you want a paste and she's she has never gotten over this she's been in this country 40 years and she is a blown away because she's been back to africa and you go to this toothpaste

section there's maybe one tube or there isn't any there or they've got baking soda set in a place to use it's uh it's it's a mindset that's caused americans to think that we're invulnerable we're invincible we can't have these things happen. And we've set ourselves up for a fall with all this digitized, uh, infrastructure. So you're talking about a Disneyland mentality that people have, but that, uh, everything's going to be just, just fine. Right?

Yeah. Yeah. Until it isn't. That's right. And, and, and simple math, uh, being, uh, being in Las Vegas, I, I'll never forget the guy, Jimmy the Greek. He was a odds maker who was very, very popular. And he made a statement. It was just pretty much a maximum in mathematics now.

The further you are from the point of something happening, the more probability you have that it will happen. And we have gone for what? 70, 80 years. We've never had our food system, which consists in most people's mind of the grocery store. Now it's prepackaged delivered food or restaurant. We've never had any of those fail us. That's right.

And we've really become kind of, uh, kind of helpless, kind of like Eloy or something. Karen and I went to New Zealand in 1998, and we went on a jet boat ride that they had there. That's one thing that they kind of developed there because of their shallow streams and stuff. But they would take down these canyon walls where there were rocks and everything. They go really fast. And he goes, oh, you're Americans. Well, let me explain this to you. He says, this is not,

this is not a ride at Disneyland. He said, if we're going towards something and it looks like you're going to hit your head duck, because you're going to hit your head. It's like, wow, that's the way the world sees us. And I, and I guess really he's kind of right about that because you know, we really do believe that everything's going to be just fine. We're going to be taken care of. Everything's been thought of and everything is planned out.

And that's not the way the world works. You know, and you find that out when you get the punch in the face. Yeah, I learned this from you, I think, a couple of interviews ago. You made a statement that people driving in the third world, they don't have any line down the center of the road any dotted line you know they don't have a line in the outside a white one that tells them hey you're too far to the right or too far to the left or whatever they don't have that type of thing and consequently they're alert for other drivers they don't even

have a stop sign i remember driving uh uh in the mountains on an island called rotan and uh honduras and i had a pickup i rented and i came roaring around the corner they've set rocks up the road washed out so they set rocks up no warning signs nothing i went over the hill and and I'm barely missed the ending of the rock. But you brought the point up, which is very valid, that Americans have so much of this drawn out that it's become mindless for us to even drive. You got a light that tells you to stop. Even if you go through that green light and there's a car from the right coming towards you most americans would look to the right and say look at that damn fool he's coming towards me you know he's going to

t-bone me you know instead of putting the brakes on we've just become uh way too complacent with all of the uh uh issues that are are hand delivered to us and and take take the fear out and i have a sense of entitlement. I've got the right-of-way. Oh, you're going to be dead right, you know, about this thing if you don't pay attention to it. But even to the extent that, you know, now the sense of entitlement extends to the fact, well, you better not say anything that offends me.

You know, I mean, I'm supposed to be protected from any contingency, even from hearing harmful things. You know, I mean, it's just, we have become so, so pacified, so controlled and we demand safety over everything else. And yet, uh, it's not safe at all. If you are not aware of your surroundings and if you don't have the ability to be able to provide for yourself, that's why I like to recommend Civil Defense Manual

because that's a good place for people to start. You've got a lot of different areas where people can start, whether you're talking about food or water, whether you're talking about defense, whether you're talking about organizing in a community. That's something we need to do even for a political standpoint to start organizing at the local level. People talk about Christian nationalism.

I said, no, talk about Christian localism. You know, you need to build from the ground up. This, this book will save people's lives. I, uh, I've gotten into a battle in my family. I got a big family. I've got like 55 cousins and, uh, grandchildren, nieces, nephews, all that. Uh, that's why I got rid of my iPhone because the texting was driving me crazy. They all think uncle Jack's a cat's meow well i don't want to i don't want to hear everybody's life story all day

so uh i've gotten into a battle in my family and that battle is over freedom of speech and i'm not going to take the liability for telling you listening listeners this but i refuse to shut my mouth about things if somebody brings something up yeah i will counter it right there yeah i am not going to let tyranny rule over my family when you've got an obnoxious brother-in-law looking at you like oh my god you gotta you know it's like you're holding a pair a dead fish up in your fingers you know and it smells like uh terrible you know and and we don't talk about things like that around here well maybe you don't but i do because you guys brought it up yeah you know i i have i've started doing it i get into it with my wife because she's English and she's a person that's used to being reserved and polite.

And which most people in the world to a degree are that way, much more than Americans. We're pretty outspoken, but we're stopping that. And I'm going the other way now. Yeah. They want to intimidate you. They want to intimidate you. They want to intimidate you. And if you, you know what the, you know what they don't want you to say, and you can't self-censor yourself. You know, that's gotten me in a lot of trouble. It's got me in a lot of trouble with all the social media, YouTube and all the rest of these people because I'm not going to self-censor.

If I'm going to talk about the vaccines, I'm not going to use a euphemism. You know, I'm just going to tell you what this thing is. The vaccine is going to do this and that to you. I'm just going to tell you what this thing is the vaccine is going to do this and that to you i'm not going to you know dance around the topic like that and so as a result you get banned for doing that but you know that to me that is the worst thing that we can do is what solzhenitsyn was saying you know don't live by lies even if they're going to and you know pressure you on this you know You got to speak the truth as you know it and not, you know, deliberately live by a lie in order to please other people.

And I think right now where we are is with the pronouns. You know, I'm in the pronouns. How ridiculous is that? But that's a good example. I started to support an organization at one point until I got woke up. I don't know why I didn't see this in the first email, but the director, uh, sent me, uh, I took this personal lunch.

I was interested in helping these young kids that were being bullied at school because I was terribly bullied in school. A lot of people. Oh yeah. But I started saying to her, she, it program pronouns and uh i i just cut it off right there i couldn't understand why this person was using uh this refuge type thing and i think they're doing more they're they're trying to i think indoctrinate these kids you don't know your sexuality that's right they want to confuse

it yeah we were all bullied in school but now the kids are are bullied and gaslit you know yeah and groomed you know that's that's the word they just added that to it and they're still being bullied over the pronouns and other things like that just in a different way and by a different group of people the people at the top are bullying. Right. Right. Yeah. My, uh, my, most of the people I graduated with haven't been more than 500 miles from home. I've been all over the world and I've, I'll never regret whatever they think they have and what I've had and seen through my eyes and heard and felt,

uh, going around the world, but, uh but uh going let me go back to one thing you're talking about that farmer that amish farmer in uh amos miller pennsylvania yeah i mean what is that raw milk is going to maybe kill somebody yeah you know the the government has a monopoly on death they can give you a vaccine and try to force you to take it and well we can kill you with something that wasn't even tested but boy you can't have raw milk yeah i come from a farm that we milked a lot of cows i i don't know i'm 77 i think i'm pretty healthy i don't know might be dead tomorrow but bottom line is uh i drank raw milk all the time. And what's bad about it? I don't know.

But somebody conjured this up. And government, if they're there, they need to control. They don't feel like they're complete. And the day has when the sun goes down, if they haven't gone in and rousted somebody and told somebody the way it is, don't feel like uh they had a productive day and that's may sound a little bit uh opinionated but it is my opinion of government at least in other countries governments usually stay away from you you either bribe them they're all taking money under the counter and and i'll admit i've done. I've gotten a friend out of getting arrested by the Thai police one time. He was a lieutenant colonel.

And I went over and gave, shook hands, money with the lieutenant and the tourist police and said, look, I'll take him home. He didn't really mean anything by that. I took him home, told him to stay inside and shut your mouth because he was criticizing uh the the king of thailand and and that can get you yeah that can get you in some serious trouble oh yeah i've seen an australian about six five with about 15 or 20 ties beating the ever-living daylights out of him just because he made a smart remark and shouldn't have and and you just learn to keep your mouth shut about the king who's a great guy i mean he took care of that country so i don't i'm not advocating that type of government but he did what he needed to do for his people

and you keep your mouth shut about it you're in there kind of just like if somebody comes in my living room don't start telling me how ugly my artwork looks, you know, even though I drew it and you know, but, uh, anyway, uh, I just think it's incredible that they, they did what they did with this. Well, this farmer and of course, with your experience and so many different places, and of course, uh, uh, you have, um, you've seen communism and action. And of course, a chat GPT, uh, and the and Google, Jim and I say you can't criticize communism. That's not allowed. But we know what it really is.

And you've experienced it firsthand. You mentioned an encounter that you had with somebody from Cambodia. And Phnom Penh, talk a little bit about that. Well, I went all through Southeast Asia. I don't know how long I stayed there, but when you go to these countries, obviously, if you've got the money, you stay in a nice place. I stayed in probably the nicest hotel. I think it was seven or eight stories high in Phnom Penh. And I was sitting there one one evening I didn't drink I don't drink anymore but I didn't drink any alcohol I was having a cup of tea and I'm looking across the Mekong river which

is probably a mile and a half wide there and I'm astounded it comes out of Vietnam and wanders up into Cambodia I think in the Laos and i'm sitting there looking at it so peaceful the people were so extremely nice i had to think back to when the kimurus took over in 1976 in three years the kimurus communist killed if anybody can believe this, 1.7 million people, one-third of their population. Wow. And it was crazy because they were trying to get rid of anyone educated. So if you wore a pair of glasses and you were taken as being an educated person

because most people over there, now, if somebody had bad eyesight in an organization or somebody got them glasses, an educated person because most people over there now somebody had bad eyesight and an organization or somebody got them glasses a person could have no education but they took these people out and the swamp areas north of Phnom Penh and it was a place called the killing fields it was a huge long swamp area and they wouldn't put a bullet in the back of your head they were getting rid of all the intellectuals everybody and they were getting it down to the peasants and it was going to be a totally farming country there was going to be no attorney's offices none of this they did a pretty good job 1.7 million people were killed by uh executioners putting a plastic bag over their head, suffocating

them to death. Down to kids that were three months old. Where do you find this stuff? You can go to a place called Toll Slang. It was a school. They tortured to death 17,000 people in there. Who were their jailers? Most of them were young, 12 14 year old kids people were killed

there but the majority of them and i'm i'm sitting there and i can't believe and i have this exceptionally nice waiter and i asked a guy what's uh what's phenom pen stand for and he says it means the city of four faces and i thought well that's pretty that's pretty uh uh that's pretty much justly represents uh what happens with humanity people don't think anything like that can happen in your society those people went from being that pleasant person to the evil faces went on and the executions came out and it didn't stop until they killed one third of their population that'd be like us killing off 110 million americans wow and it devastated the country it set them so far back but you go over there now and people in vietnam don't remember anything almost uh most of them are in their 30s and 40s and uh i was just totally astounded how that could happen and i've seen this other places

and we think we're immune from this i hope it comes, but people can't put it out of their mind. Food, store food, store water, buy yourself a shotgun and 500 rounds of shotgun shell, double odd buck and some slug. And I'm not, I used to say, go get yourself something for protection. But some people think protection is having pepper spray. That's not going to do you any good. Unfortunately, if it comes down to defending yourself, the most efficient item is a firearm. And you need to have everybody in your family know how to ride it.

But you need water, you need food and medicines, and you can go on and on. What you need to do is get together with your neighbors know who in the hell is around you because uh you if things go bad are going to need other people to help defend your area to keep some civility to keep people from getting harmed by gangs and whatnot which is going to be the first threat but yeah yeah, yeah, that's right. That's what I like about your book. It's it talks about the psychology of getting together in a group, you know, things to do that are good things to do that are not good in it.

And, uh, and that is very important, especially now that the government has started focusing on, well, if you've got a group of people and they got rifles, their militia and they're bad and they're a threat to us and they're sovereign citizens or whatever labels they want to hang on people like that. It's very important that you realize about that. I get around that in the book and, and I specifically go in to the definition of militia and people are forming their, their, what they're called.

I call neighborhood guardians for the defense only of their area. And it, it blows me away how, uh, some, some of the people that think they're traditional now and conservative have been so propagandized over the years in, uh,

Oh, you can't do that. Oh, that that's against the law. Well, not really because I sat in a police board. I got a pretty good idea, which obstruction of traffic and obstruction of law enforcement and that

type of thing. Let me tell you something. If things go sideways, which they will, if they go sideways, people are going to end up in their neighborhoods. They control their area. Law enforcement is going to love them.

One less area to go in and deal with. Yeah. Oh yeah, that's right. And that's right and that's the other side of this you know it's um i interviewed a long time ago i she van fleet um and uh tucker just interviewed her talking about her book mouths america she said i went through all this stuff you call woke now she said that struggle sessions and the you know the self

denouncement and all this other kind of stuff that they're now doing in universities and teaching people on that she said that was all done you know when she's warningdenouncement and all this other kind of stuff that they're now doing in universities and teaching people on that. She said that was all done, you know, when she's warning Americans what this looks like. And it's true. All the stuff that you talked about with Cambodia, that was what Mao was doing with his cultural revolution. He was executing intellectuals. He wanted everybody to be in agriculture, all that type of thing. And so we see that. But then on the other side, one of the things that I'm concerned about, of course, is all the talk when we see at CPAC, all these people, well, if we lose the election, it looks like it's a civil war.

Everybody seems like on both sides of this are being primed to come after each other. And we're at a time, you know, like about every 80 years, you know, everybody gets antsy and they change all the institutions, have a big financial crisis. But everybody is primed to come after other people. It seems like the way this country is being divided, very, very concerning to me. That is as concerning as what is happening at the border to me. I blame most of this attitude and this polarization on the technology. One of the worst uh violators is facebook

yep people have learned to say things over a computer that they wouldn't say in front of you to your face because you would punch their snout through the back of their skull that's right you know uh to put it crudely people would not put up with his face to say. So what they do is they read this, they're angry, and it builds a pressure up in them. Yes. Just like it does kids when you have a zero tolerance policy. My football coach or gym coach used to take us to the wrestling room and we would have what we call murder brawl. And it would be kids in a class, all of us kids in a class. He'd divide them into two halves and one had eaten his padded in this room.

And he threw a soccer ball out there. And the point was to get the ball and touch the wall on the opposite end. And of course, while everybody's looking for the ball, there's usually three or four guys over there punching it out because they don't like each other. You know, and they get it out of their system. We didn't bring firearms to school and shoot each other. So it's like the gun-free zone. This type of zero tolerance is doing the opposite of what it should do.

That's right. And, you know, I'll never be able to argue that with the teachers in my family because they got PhDs. They can't tie their shoes but they got phds it's piled higher and deeper yeah that's the key thing you know we the technology is isolating us from each other from human contact uh doing that so they can monitor and surveil everything that we do but as you point out the other side of that that comes along with this isolation is that when we do interact with other people we don't see them as human and so it builds up this uh this animosity because we're at a distance and uh and it's just uh the i don't know it just seems like everything that is being done to us now is being done to heighten division to sow chaos and uh whether it's the

border or whether it's what is happening inside the border it seems like it is all compounding well it's been great talking to you and and again i love your book civil defense manual i had a guy who uh who picked it up he said uh that is worth a thousand dollars you know so he said i i love the information that's in there you sell it as as a pair but i would encourage people to go to the website, CivilDefenseManual.com. You've got interviews there. You've got articles that are there. You've got excerpts from the manual that are there.

A great resource. People always say, well, you know, what can I do about this? We need to be able to take action. We need to be able to do this as individuals and as a community. That is the key thing. And you've got a lot of answers in that book, and you've got a lot of experts who have chimed in on that, that you've created great resources there.

Always great talking to you, Jack. Good to talk to you, David. Take care. Thank you. Thank you very much. Talk to you later. Thank you. The David Knight Show is a critical thinking super spreader. If you've been exposed to logic by listening to The David Knight Show,

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