The David Knight Show - INTERVIEW What To Do When the Local Authorities Go Rogue

Episode Date: August 9, 2023

How should we respond when local authorities ignore the law, defend evil and prosecute the good?Matt Trewhella, DefyTyrants.com and author of "The Doctrine of the Lesser Magistrate" joins to talk about a case that's gone viral and that involves friends and family.Find out more about the show and where you can watch it at TheDavidKnightShow.comIf you would like to support the show and our family please consider subscribing monthly here: SubscribeStar https://www.subscribestar.com/the-david-knight-showOr you can send a donation throughMail: David Knight POB 994 Kodak, TN 37764Zelle: @[e-mail] App at: $davidknightshowBTC to: bc1qkuec29hkuye4xse9unh7nptvu3y9qmv24vanh7Money is only what YOU hold: Go to DavidKnight.gold for great deals on physical gold/silverFor 10% off Gerald Celente's prescient Trends Journal, go to TrendsJournal.com and enter the code KNIGHTBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-david-knight-show--2653468/support.

Well, welcome back. And joining us now is our guest, Matt Truella. And of course, I've interviewed him several times in his excellent book, The Doctrine of the Lesser Magistrate, talking about the history, secular and church history, about how do we, you know, how should government be structured? And, you know, what do we do? Do we just blindly follow the leader? Do we just do whatever Hitler tells us?

Or do we exercise some kind of moral responsibility in what we do? And so when I saw this story, a teen arrested while preaching the gospel during a drag queen event, I saw that he was in Wisconsin. I thought, oh, I wonder if that's Matt. And I looked, and sure enough, it was someone from his church. So I wanted to get Matt on to talk about that and talk about the doctrine of the lesser magistrate. You know, so many times we've talked about somebody at the local level who stands in

the gap against a corrupt upper official, right, who is, you know, maybe a state official, maybe a federal official or something like that. But what do we do with the corruption that's there? And that's what people always say. Well, you know, we've got an awful sheriff in our area. And that's what I've said. You see, in 2020, you could see what happened. And you could see that, you know, depending on who the local officials were that made all the difference in the world. And I said, that's why we've got to focus more on what is happening in our community than what is happening in the District of Columbia. That's the more important thing. These people can stand in the gap, but they can also be really bad if they are

there. So joining us now is Matt Trewell. It's great to talk to you again, Matt. Yeah, good to be with you, David. And I love that you mentioned the movie True Grit. It's a favorite here at the chihuahua home yeah phenomenal it's one of my favorites i especially like the remake i thought it was even better than the one with john wayne but uh oh absolutely yeah yes uh but yeah let's talk about this because uh you got somebody there in your church a teenager 19 years old and marcus schroeder this is a guy with true grit absolutely has true grit. He stood up to these people. And let me just start before we start talking about it, just so people can see

this. I've got video of his arrest and they can get an idea of what happened and how he reacted because they're charging him amongst other things with resisting arrest. And if you see this video, you see that he's not resisting arrest. The law is fulfilled in one word, even even in this you shall love your neighbor as yourself but if you bite and devour one another beware lest you be consumed by one another. Hey hey what are you doing? What is the problem? You hear that feedback. The police officer grabbed his mic, and that's where you heard the feedback.

They said we can speak out here on the sidewalk freely. Nobody told us that. How come there's no amplification? You guys are acting like thugs, man. You're acting like straight up thugs. Hey, you're taking away my memory. He has every right to be out here engaging in speech. He has every right to be out here engaging in speech.

Okay, so you get the idea of what is going on. Matt, tell us a little bit more about it from your perspective. Sure. Well, as you know, yeah, the sodomites control like every major city in America with their evil influence. And so now they've gone into the hill and dale. They've gone out to the villages, the towns. They're pushing this filth everywhere. In fact, there's NGOs, non-government organizations, and just private organizations who come courting these villages and towns with money and lawyers.

And so most of these officials in these small towns and villages cave in either because they want the money or because they're intimidated by the lawyers and they know that wicked people now have the force of law behind them because we live in a nation where good is now evil and evil is now good. So I run into people all the time who say, look what they're doing in my town. I tell them, you must confront it. If you don't confront it, if you listen to your average churchman who says, oh no, we should just be liked and go along and blah blah blah you won't even recognize your community five years from now that's right because this evil is so pervasive so watertown's one of these small communities they did it for the first time last year i was out there with other people last year speaking up, ministering, speaking to those attending, rebuking the officials.

This year, we had a much larger crowd. They had more people, about 175, but we had about 100 Christians out there, which was awesome to see. And the police made it clear early on who they were going to aid and abet. And they made it clear they were going to aid and abet the wicked people understand david we have a statute 948 05 and 948 011 here in wisconsin which makes it clear that the sexualizing of children in a public venue is a crime yeah and so they could have arrested these drag queens who are up on the stage, gyrating around, dressed completely inappropriately, disgustingly. And here's the adults and the children giving them dollar bills as they dance through the crowd, like they're at some strip club or something. Exactly. It's exactly what it is. It's a recreation of that, except they do it with

homosexual men instead of with women. That kind of stuff has always been prohibited for children. And it's something that, you know, has to be kept off of the streets as well. But now it's okay because it's the LGBT people who are doing it. It's amazing. That's right. That's right. And so we're out there and the police don't arrest them. Instead, what the police decided to do was come and arrest some of the Christians. So there was this park called Riverside Park in Watertown. And the police said, if you go inside the fenced area's kind of a quasi-public thing when someone has a permit to use it. You can still be there as long as you aren't disrupting anyone. You can hold

a sign. You can talk with people. You're not going to go up on stage and disrupt thing or stand up and disrupt. They'll take you out. Well, they arrested one woman from our church simply because she was inside the fenced area holding a sign. They charged her with an ordinance for planting a sign. I looked, I said, first thing you do, she was a little concerned. First thing you do is look up the ordinance itself. I looked it up and I'm like, this ordinance doesn't even apply to you. This is where like if someone attaches something to a telephone pole or if they plant the sign in the ground, you are holding your sign. When you're holding your sign, that's First Amendment activity that men fought, bled, and died for us

to possess. That's right. So I told her, I said, you're in fine shape regarding this. In fact, we had the same thing happen down at the death camps, the abortion clinics years ago in Milwaukee, and we won at the appellate level, challenging the police for arresting us for holding signs outside the abortion clinic. It was ridiculous. So they also arrested a couple of young people. And one of them happened to be my 16-year-old daughter. And my 16 my 16 year old daughter was taken into the command post there's the venue itself did they handcuff her they did not handcuff her they had a cop on each side with their arms they said um you are under arrest and they took her into the command post that they had there. So they arrested another young man also, one of my son-in-laws, and took him into the same command post.

They let him go with the citation that said you can't be in a park anywhere in any of Watertown's parks for the next seven days. And I looked up the statute, their ordinance, and yeah, the city gave them authority to do that. So fine. They ended up letting my daughter just go about 30 minutes later. But while we were there, there was like 10 police officers lined up outside the command post and some Christians were engaging them. So I took the opportunity at that point, while my daughter was in there to engage the police in the doctrine of the lesser magistrate and went into a little history and simply explained to them that according to romans 13 their duty is to punish evil and reward the good and that they've

turned it all on their head and they have instead decided to punish those who are good and reward the evil it was very powerful and in fact if your um viewers would like i maybe you could put that in the details box of this show later there's a two and a half minute video of me um addressing the police there intown. So this is nothing new. When you look down through history, you'll notice that from time to time, men make evil through law. And that's what's happened here. Your mayor, the civil authorities here are joining with evil. And those of you who are lesser magistrates, you carry the guns. You're not just mere robots for the state. You have to answer to God also for what you do.

So when they do something contrary to his law and word, your duty is not to obey them but to tell them no. It's called the inner position of the lesser magistrate. Extremely important to understand it. Romans 13, again, for those of you officers who just arrived, makes it clear that your duty is to punish the evildoers. That would be the people over there that are sexualizing children. And your duty is to reward those who do good. That would be the people you've arrested. So you've totally perverted your God-given function and role, turned it on its head.

And we wonder, how did evil get a foothold in Germany, in the Soviet Union? It was because of the blithe compliance of all the authorities that one after another, down the food chain, said, yeah, I'm going to look out for myself rather than do what's right and say, no, this is wrong. And this is wrong. What they're doing here is evil. This would, are you kidding me? Do you see what's going on up in that stage? Do you see they're normalizing this to the minds of the children? When you're older, these are the kids, they'll be the people

who decide whether you live or die when you're elderly. This is what they're training them in. So you have to make a decision to either go along to get along or to at some point make a stand. Like, at the very least, you shouldn't be arresting the good guys and letting the bad guys have free reign. Your duty is to arrest the bad guys.

There is an ordinance right here in town regarding instructing children in sexual matters. What do you think that's all about? They're instructing children in sexual matters. You could arrest them, but you chose not to. Constructing children and sexual matters. You could arrest them, but you chose not to. You chose to arrest the Christians who are simply out here praying and offering literature to people. And at that site also, we have a list of other videos from the day showing the arrests that took place. There was

four people arrested in all, including this young man, Marcus Schroeder, who you had mentioned earlier, who attends our congregation. In fact, he's one of only about five people I've ever met in my life who told me he's listened to every one of my sermons that are posted publicly, which of course is hundreds and hundreds and, um, well, I can see raised in a great, I can see the effect of him listening to your sermons as well. And what this guy did is I've got a clip of him standing before the council. Let's play that now, since we're talking about Marcus and then you can tell us a bit more about him here. He is talking to the council. And as I said, at the beginning of the program, let's just call it

that. Let's not add the city there. It's just the council. So many Christians have been hauled before the council so many times. Here's what he said. Here he is. I get a picture of the room. Good tonight. I just wanted to ask a simple question.

I know a Nazi group showed up at the event Saturday, and people were talking about that. And I just wanted for all of us to really think about this what's wrong with Nazism like seriously what's wrong with Nazism because imagine for a moment that there is no God above us no hub below us no heaven to live for as John Lennon wanted to imagine if we are truly the result of evolved stardust and our ancestors were fish and were the descendants of monkeys, then where do we find our value as human beings? What's wrong with Nazism

unless a few understand that the God of Scripture says that we are made in his image? And so to murder innocent people is a violation to God's commands. As a Christian, I can say that Nazis, what the Nazis did in Nazi Germany was completely horrific and that they should have been resistant. In fact, the number one people group that

resisted the Nazis were Christians. And the reason why, the reason why was because they had a worldview that says that people are made in God's image and that they have worth and value. That's why Nazism is wrong. But if we're going to reject the Christian worldview, then we can't hold on to the fruit that comes from the Christian worldview, while denying the actual foundation. Intolerance is an interesting word. Tolerance, intolerance, hatred, love, bigotry, things like that. Because really every culture has something that it's intolerant towards and something that it's tolerant of.

I mean there are things like murder and rape and and you know stealing and just crimes that we are intolerant towards as a society. And so every society has something that's intolerant towards. The question is just what is our object of intolerance and what is our object of tolerance? When I showed up Saturday, all I did was read from scripture on the sidewalk. I read from the Bible, Galatians. And by the way, I wasn't reading Romans 1. I wasn't reading any passage that spoke against homosexuality or anything like that. I was reading a passage from the Bible about love. And I was arrested. No reason, not given any warning,

not told anything about my amplification needed to be turned down. I was arrested and taken into custody simply for reading the Bible on the sidewalk. You see, as we become more and more tolerant of sexual immorality in our culture, we've become more and more intolerant towards Christian morality.

And the more we become intolerant towards Christian morality, the more we we become intolerant towards Christian morality, the more we're going to see lawlessness in our streets. The more we become intolerant of Christian morality, the more we're going to see Nazis. The more we're going to see people who don't hold to a Christian worldview, who think that everybody is a result of animals, and therefore if we are animals, then why can't we just act like animals? We were called a hate group. We were told that we don't want to understand the other side, and I just want to set the record straight.

I am more than happy to have that conversation with the other side. I did speech and debate throughout high school, and one of the things that we were taught in debate is that you can't make an argument for your side until you're able to make the argument for the other side. I've sat down and had hours of discussions with LGBTQ activists. I completely understand the other side. I want to understand the other side.

But drag queens twerking on kids in lingerie is unacceptable. And that's something that we have to notice as a culture. We can have our disagreements, but there comes a time when we have to understand that we are all going to stand before God one day. And we're going to have to give an account for what we have done with the children in our society, the innocent minds and the children who deserve to be protected. Thank you. Wow.

Well, great speech. Marcus Schroeder, 19 years old, somebody who is a student of yours. And it certainly does show, Matt. That was well said. And he hit all the points yeah yeah amazing he did he he's a good young man he was raised in a um good christian home his um mother and father poured so much into him and it's um been a blessing and an honor to know him over the last few years while he's attended our congregation and be able to pour into his life more and And there was about 30 young people out there that day, and most of them are very well-spoken. And what I've always noticed when the young people come out, David, it so

encourages the older people. Because so often you go to Christian gatherings now to speak out publicly, and it's mostly gray-haired people. That's what I see. And so when they see, yeah, when they see so many young people, it is a great encouragement to their heart. It really is. It really is. That's one of the reasons why I wanted to cover this, because you typically don't see that. And so tell us a little bit about, you know, what happens at this point.

You know, where is he? He spoke before the council. And we've seen recent things like this in Pennsylvania, a similar thing. We had a guy show up at one of these events and the police immediately arrested him. They have now thrown those charges out because

there's no basis for that. This is the type of thing we've been seeing for years, years in the UK. It's gotten everywhere you know, everywhere you see this, even had a person arrested in front of an abortion clinic for bowing her head and praying silently. That's just beyond imagination, but that's happening in the UK. And now this stuff is coming to America. And as you pointed out, it's not just in the big cities, it's in places

like Reading, Pennsylvania, it's in places like this small town in Wisconsin that you are at. So it truly is amazing. And so where is this at this point in time? Yeah, like as Mark has said, as tolerance for evil continues to grow in our culture, intolerance for Christian morality will continue to grow. And as you pointed out, it is growing. I mean, I know 23 Christians right now that are looking at up to 32 years in prison for simply peacefully interposing to keep a pre-born baby from being murdered. Is that the FASAC?

That's what they're looking at. The FASAC stuff? Yeah, FASAC. Yeah. What? Yeah. And those trials have just started this week. Yeah.

Truly amazing. And one of the people who had his family SWAT team, he's now going to run for Congress. So good for him. Good for him. Yeah. Good to hear. What's happening in Watertown is last night they had a private meeting between the police and the council to talk all about what happened there and about an possible impending lawsuit coming against them. And that is a possibility.

We'll see. As far as Marcus's charges go, I think it's looking like Liberty Council may represent him on that and take care of everything and intervene in the situation. And I don't know how far they plan on taking things from there. But this is a growing thing. And what's unfortunate is that often when people are arrested outside these events, and it's even happened in California, where Christian people and non-Christian people have come out against this filth, and they get arrested while all the filthy drag queen stuff continues on. But what it does often to most people is it intimidates them not to want to come and speak out, unfortunately. It should when we see that in boldness, right? is it intimidates them not to want to come and speak out, unfortunately. It should when we see that in boldness, right?

It's going to be like, yeah, where's the battle? Let me get to the front line. That's how we should think as Christians. But for most Christians, they don't think that way. They're intimidated further into their silence. And that's the worst thing you can do when evil is in the land, is be silent and accommodate yourself to it. And that's by and large what Christianity has been doing for 40 years now, while this juggernaut of homosex has been tramping across the country. I'm reading Greg Bonson's work called Homosexuality

from 1978 right now. Everything he said in 78, David is still applicable to today regarding all of the presupposition that they sell this evil and filth through and on. So it's extremely important while the church has spent all this time wanting to be loving, which just is a misnomer for being indifferent towards this homo sex, they have taken the nation. Yes. And so it's encouraging to see some Christians who realize they no longer have the convenience of being indifferent towards the unjust and evil actions of their government and evil actions of men and must speak out and proclaim Christ and point men to him.

That's right. I said for the longest time, I said, look, they say that they want tolerance, but as Marcus pointed out, you know, well, what are you going to tolerate? You know, if you tolerate, uh, and what are your standards of tolerance? But in addition to that, they don't want tolerance. They demand that you celebrate what they do and you must celebrate it. And they want to celebrate it with pride. And, and, uh, you know, through pride month, there was one incident where, uh, I think

it was in California. You had men parading down the street naked and, uh, somebody called up the police and said, I want to report a naked man who's walking down the street. And, and the, the cop said, oh, where is it? Oh, wait a minute. You're talking about the pride parade. That's okay. You know?

And it's like, why is that? Okay. Why is that? Okay. That should not be okay. Under what standard is that? Okay, why is that okay? Why is that okay? That should not be okay. Under what standard is that okay? Why does that guy get a pass for doing this stuff? Why can they do this lewd sexual behavior with kids? I mean, we have all kinds of restrictions for kids. These are the people who want to say, well, you know, can't have a guns. You got to

take the, you know, can't drive, can't have guns. You got to take this further. And I agree with a lot of those restrictions because kids are not adults. They don't let kids in casinos. They don't let kids in bars. And yet they let these people do this stuff in public on the streets and do it with kids. That's the thing that is truly amazing and must not be tolerated. It cannot be tolerated. I agree.

And it needs to be approached two ways. One, to the people who are out on the streets, bringing God's word and gospel to men. And it also needs to be engaged at the magisterial level with the magistrates at the county, local, village, city level. You have to go. I love what you said earlier. Get your eyes off the shiny object over by the potomac you know it's just like we need to think locally and around where we live and engage at that point so you have to take the magistrates the magistrates need to hear from you yes and like marcus went to the meeting to speak we teach our people that here routinely so you go to the streets and you go to the places where the officials are gathering and hold public meetings and you speak. It has to be twofold. Another group that was out there that day, you heard Marcus mentioned the Nazis, which we don't know if they were actually Nazis. The flags they had looked like they were just rolled out of a crisp piece of plastic,

never been used before. And they were all masked up. You couldn't see, they could have been federal agents. They could have been Antifa. Who knows who they are? But another group that was out there was the Gays Against Groomers. And what's concerned me, David, is I've seen many Christians and conservatives, they get all excited. Yay, the homosexuals are here to speak against transgenderism. I'm thinking to myself, are you crazy? The only reason we're at the point of drag queen shows for children and child genital mutilation is because of our nation's acceptance of homo sex to begin with. Because we spit on God's law regarding sodomy so many decades ago, this is where we're

at now. You don't join with evil people. You don't join with wicked men and say, let's take a stand together against evil. Because the only reason we're at this evil is because of the evil that they practice in their own life i agree i've played uh i've played it's an insane asylum i agree i've played clips from gays against groomers not to uh elevate them but to tell people look uh they're they're pointing out that this is coming after kids and under which you know what kind of you know again they they are uh uh practicing um homosexual sex and all the rest of the stuff. But they're pointing out this is going into pedophilia.

It's going into the next thing. And it is a logical progression. But even they're saying, hey, I don't want to be a part of this. And so where do they draw the line? How do they know how to draw the line if they're not basing it on some moral standard? And that's how we get onto this slippery slope. But it's to underscore the fact that, uh, as a matter of fact, there was some guy who was all made up as a drag queen. At one point in time, I played his clip and he said, Hey, I want to talk

to you. Heterosexual mothers out there. You don't understand what this is. I mean, this whole scene is about sex and drugs. Uh, you're naive. If you think that you're teaching your kids tolerance, you're teaching them the sex and drug stuff. And I know because I'm a quote-unquote conservative drag queen. We've also seen the same stuff about the celebration of Bruce Gender, as he calls himself Caitlyn, and Sean Hannity falls all over himself. Oh, look, we've got somebody who's a transgender. If I put them on my show, that shows how tolerant and open-minded I am,

and I can get Bruce Gender to talk about how he doesn't want women in sports, but of course he's fine with the rest of this stuff, right? Yes, no. And that's exact. That's a great point. It is so evil that they even see that it's evil. Yeah. As you're pointing out and, and what we've seen, and we're probably near the same age. I've watched this for decades now. One generation accepts something, you know, tolerate something, I should say.

And the next generation accepts it as completely normal. And so now here the line is transgenderism and genital mutilation. 20, 30 years ago, the line was homosex. Ten years after that, it was homosexual marriage. We just keep stepping. The decline just continues. What matters is God's standard. That's right.

Which doesn't change. What does his law and word declare on this matter? Yeah, and we even have people like Andy Stanley, Charles Stanley's son, how they're saying the most courageous people in this church are the LGBT people. And he's holding events now to help parents with their LGBT kids. Here's how you accept them and all the rest of this kind of stuff. It's like, that's not, that's not what the parents are supposed to be teaching their kids, but he's completely left the Bible. You know, he started out a couple of years ago saying, well, the old Testament doesn't apply.

We can forget about that. Now we can forget about this and the New Testament. Forget about the rest of this stuff. And he was one of the people who was adamant that we had to keep the churches locked down. And he was attacking people who opened up their churches in 2020. It is all part of the same perspective, I think. And when we talk about the lesser magistrates on a different issue in terms of the lockdown issue, I'm sure you remember in Moscow, Idaho, the people in Doug Wilson's church out there and how they had like an open air sing and they had some people that got arrested,

three or four people arrested. That's now been resolved as of July. In January, they were found to be not guilty and the judge really read them the riot act. He said, look, in your own regulation that you created, you referenced both the Idaho and the U.S. Constitution. He said, we allowed for exceptions, and it said, any and all expressive activity and associative activity protected by the Idaho Constitution and the U.S. Constitution, including speech, press, assembly, and or religious activity. And yet they still arrested these people who were in a public square and who were singing because they said that violated their COVID regulations.

And the judge said, nobody in your organization ever read this exception? This is ridiculous. And so six months later, the three people got arrested. They paid them a total of $300,000 settlement. And we should go for this type of punishment. I know that it comes out of the taxpayer's pocket, but it has to be something that people see as punishment and as admission of wrongdoing. And of course, there's still another case that is, you talked about one of the people

from your church being given a fine or something for holding a sign. And after this happened with the Singh, you had Doug Wilson's kids or something did some stickers and said, welcome to Soviet Moscow, and put them on poles. And they took pictures of it. And there were all kinds of stickers on these poles. And yet they singled them out. They were the only ones that they came after with and charged them with a crime. And so that's still in play there.

But that's the kind of vindictiveness and selective prosecution that we expect to see out of this kind of persecution. Because it really is a political persecution at this point, isn't it? Yeah, and they'll win that case too because that's content-based discrimination. You leave all the other speech up there on the poll. You single them out and charge them yeah that's that's a that's that'll be an easy win for them um you know when you look at um that the other groups are getting involved as i told people in watertown that day i said we got the nazis here we have to gaze against groomers here Do you see why it's so important for us as Christians to be here?

Yes. We need to bring Christian thought to this fight, to this battle. Yes. And it's encouraging to see more and more Christians engaging in the battle. That's right. Let's talk about that because Marcus was reading a passage. They said it was about love. He said it wasn't about, hey, I wasn't calling them out on their sin.

There's plenty of passages that he could have used, Old Testament and New Testament, to talk about their sin. And people need to understand their need for Christ, so they need to understand what their sin is. That's the point. Leading you to Christ, you've got to understand why you need him, why you stand condemned, or you're not going to be interested in hearing about it. And so we don't avoid that. But he wasn't even talking about that at that point in time. He was talking about what real love is. Talk a little bit about that, what he was saying in Galatians. Yeah, I wasn't there when Marcus was arrested. They had a two-pronged thing that day. One was in the morning hours. I was there from like 1030 to 1230 when the other arrest took place. And then his arrest took place when they reconvened

around 4 p.m. to do further activities from 4 to 6. So I don't know what he didn't mean to express what his point was going to be because they swooped in on him, didn't even give him a warning, just grabbed him, handcuffed him, grabbed the mic out of his hand, and whisked him over to the command center. So I don't know what points he was going to make on that. As soon as they figured out he was going to read from the Bible, that's it. That's not going to be allowed. Yeah, that was it.

Not going to let you read anything from the Bible. Because I guess pretty much they realize that the whole warp and woof of the thing is against what they're supporting there at that point in time. But you've also been very active in terms of pro-life stuff. And, you know, I, my wife, when we were living in Austin, there was, uh, an abortion, uh, let's call it a facility there. Um, that, uh, there was a, she was part of a protest that was there, and they were holding up signs. And that was the first time I ever saw Antifa that came up there.

And I was at work, and this happened while I was at work, and she went there with my teen daughter. And these Antifa people showed up with just a black sign and tried to put – they had nothing – the point is they had nothing to say. And they didn't want to try to defend their practices. They just wanted to cover up what she had there. And so they come up with their sign, this big guy, and he puts his sign in front of her sign.

So she goes down low, he goes down low and she goes up high and they're going back and forth up and down because he's trying to keep his black sign in front of her sign. But, uh, it truly was amazing. And she got some some some pictures of them and they were just defiant saying uh i kill my kids and i'm proud of it you know so one woman said she got that on video it truly is amazing how hardened these people are and that's the way you see with the lgbt stuff now this is an entitlement and if you get between them and your children then you're committing genocide to them because that's the way that they reproduce is mentally and spiritually

isn't it absolutely no they're predators and they look to um you know get other people's children into their evil ways because they don't have children themselves, unless, of course, they join together in our society as quote-unquote husband and wife, and then are able to adopt a child, which is just pure evil in and of itself. Once you call what God calls criminal, you call it not a crime. You've allowed all kinds of evil to just

exacerbate itself including little children taken into homes by two men or two women and taught a corrupt evil lifestyle that's right yeah yeah i cannot uh cannot embrace that we had an employee in our store and um and she was a very good employee um she was a store manager a really nice person oh never had any problem with her and then one day she you know she's a lesbian and she came to us and said i'd like for you to uh sign this document we're trying to adopt a child and i said i can't do that and and that was the end of the relationship but i just couldn't do it you know she's very nice person but i could not do that to a child. Could not. No.

How could you in good conscience? Absolutely not. Yep. And then, but that's what happens. It proliferates into so many areas of life to where now, and as you said, we're old enough to remember when they just wanted a fair hearing and a fair playing field. Now we soon learned that there really is no neutrality because once they had the upper hand, now they demand everybody affirm and they will use the force of the law or cost you your job if you don't conform to their evil thinking. That's right.

Yeah. And there is no neutrality. You're right. And we've seen that of course, with the Marxists and with free speech as well. It used to be the free speech thing was all based in Berkeley and everything. Where are they coming the most after free speech now is in these types of liberal academia. You know, now that they've got the upper hand, now that they've taken over the institutions, they will not tolerate the values that we put in there. And that's exactly what Marcus was saying.

You know, here in Tennessee and Nashville, where they had the transgender go in and murder a bunch of children in a Christian school, murdering them, point blank shooting them. We're not allowed to see the transgender's manifesto, but we have a manifesto of a sorts because we now have in Nashville, Tennessee, a transgender guy who is pretending to be a woman. He's going by the name of Olivia Hill, and he's now just made the runoff. And talking about how he is a proud transgender woman. I'm sorry.

Go ahead. Hello? Did we lose you? I'm still here. Okay, good, good, good. We're getting some. Your mic's breaking down for some reason oh okay all right he ran an ad in nashville and he said uh that uh the uh transgenders are under attack from right-wing conservatives that's just the opposite you had

a christian school where the nine-year-old kids were executed by this transgender, and he points out that they're under attack by conservatives. It's absolutely amazing how they turn everything upside down and inside out, isn't it, Matt? Exactly. They provoke, they poke, and yet any kind of response, they play the victim. Yes. And even when one of their people murders children, they still want to play the victim yes and even when one of their people murders children they still want to play the victim our own governor here in wisconsin put out something that was despicable basically pointing everyone saying that well we kind of should expect that to happen because yeah look at how badly these

transgender people are treated. Oh, yeah. The guy's evil. Yeah. And I've seen so many government officials talk exactly like that. And unfortunately, the quote-unquote good magistrates or Christian magistrates are overwhelmingly silent on these matters, and they need to speak. And one of the things that helps encourage them to speak are we the people you need to contact them and tell them you need to take a stand against this

filth this evil you need to speak or bring legislation regarding the evil that's being done here it was good to see that tennessee passed the law to bring an end to all this public yes i believe it was tenn it was Tennessee drag queen stuff. That's right. Yeah. It was blocked momentarily by a Trump appointed judge. And then it got, uh, that judge got shut down later on, but yeah, going back to this woman who was running, uh, not a woman as a guy, as a woman who was running for Nashville city

council, the people who have endorsed him, uh, the metropolitan Nashville education Council. The people who have endorsed him are the Metropolitan Nashville Education Association, so there's the teachers behind him, the Nashville Business Coalition, and the Tennessee Advocates for Planned Parenthood. Now, there is no Planned Parenthood clinic in Tennessee because Tennessee has made abortion illegal from the moment of fertilization. And so there is no Planned Parenthood here. But they have allied themselves with this transgender movement nevertheless

because, again, they put themselves in a position to profit from this stuff by giving life-altering and sterilizing drugs to young children. And so they want to be a part of murdering or mutilating children in any way that they can for money. And, uh, so, you know, these are the people who are supporting this individual running for council in Tennessee. It truly is amazing. Uh, but it is good that, um, that it, you know, they have fought them on the mutilation stuff. They fought them on the abortion stuff. As recently as 2015, I wrote down there were 11,418 babies who were murdered in Tennessee by Planned Parenthood and their ilk.

As of this year, zero, zero. Praise God. Yeah. Praise God. No, that's good to hear. And by the way, I've known quite a few people now who've moved to Tennessee because of where they were living and how terrible things have become and how their magistrates are just lost causes. And so they've moved to Tennessee

in order to join with people who seem to still have a semblance of sanity in their heads. I'm one of them. I look around, Karen and I were just talking to her the other day about the attitude of the people that are here and the society that's here and how much better things work in terms of just paving the roads and things like that. And I said, you know, Tennessee is what America used to be. I said, maybe the slogan should be make America Tennessee again. Instead of great again. Make it more like Tennessee, the rest of America. But, yeah, it is truly amazing.

And it does make a difference. And, you know, that's something to think about. If you can't get enough people together to do something about the lower level magistrate, which is so important, maybe you need to vote with your feet and get out of there. Yes. Go to another jurisdiction. No, absolutely. That is totally legitimate, and it's already been going on now, and it's going to continue

to grow as this evil continues to grow and ultimately what we need david is is repentance yeah we need repentance within the christian community within the churches amongst the churchmen and we need to call the nation to repentance that's right and until we see that um it's all like you know doing stuff that needs to be done to stanch the evil from continuing. That's right. But we really need to understand the importance of repentance in our lives, in the life of the church, and then in the life of our nation also. And so during the, you know, pandemic, I saw some repentance, a little. But there certainly was no run on sackcloth and ashes down at day's hardware and now we've seen most people return to the food and

ease and entertainment um because the tyrants have backed off what they have to understand is god is just yeah and he will judge a nation with this much innocent blood on its hands. He will judge a nation which has tolerated the filth of homosexuals to where it's impacted children at this level with genital mutilation, them adopting them as their own sons and daughters. God will not let that go. And so he is long-suffering. He gives us space to repent, but he brings his judgments, and I've seen it in my lifetime, and you'll see a little bit of space of repentance amongst Americans, then they all quickly go back to how it is. So I think it's

extremely important to understand the need for repentance in our nation at this time and in our own lives and in our own churches. I agree. And that's, as you pointed out before, so many church people, oh, I don't want to hurt their feelings. I want to be winsome so I can win somebody to Christ, that type of thing. No, they have to understand a loving thing is to tell them truthfully where they stand, you know, and to get them to do some self-examination. That's the really loving thing to do. It's not loving to tell somebody, Hey, that's just fine.

You know, I don't, this bus is coming and somebody just walked out in front of it, but I don't want to yell at them. I might scare them, you know, so I'll let them get run over by the bus. That's not a loving thing to do. And it's not a loving thing to take that kind of approach as a church, uh, to people in this country. And we understand regardless of people where a church to people in this country. And we understand, regardless of whether—and this is the other thing about this, Matt.

You talk about in your book, The Doctor and the Lesser Magistrate, you talk about the understanding and the approach that people took who were not Christians. You gave some examples of Roman emperor and so forth, Trajan, who's talking about justice and morality. But we have to understand that when you abandon these principles of morality, what truly happens in a society? And we've seen what a society without any morality, without any rule of law looks like. We've seen what totalitarian societies look like. And yet all of these things are descending on us. And I agree with you. I think it is a judgment from God. It is. And our response to the state of our nation, again,

has to be twofold. We have to be fishers of men, go out to the streets, decry the evil, point men to Christ, and we have to go to the magistrates and instruct them in their role, in their functions, in their duties, in their role in their functions in their duties in their limits yes that's extremely important um for us to do as christian people yes i could not agree so i i you know so i hope we see more of that um in the days ahead because it's it's gravely needed and that our hearts should be breaking at this point. The things you were just talking about, about what true love is and the truly loving thing to do, you know, I run into Christians from time to time. They can't even wrap their head around something like what you were saying. And I always point them to that sermon by Ray Comfort called Hell's Best Kept Secret.

I said, listen to this sermon. I think it would be a great starting point for you to understand what exactly I'm trying to communicate. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, he does a great job of pointing out to people, okay, you stand condemned. Do you want a parachute or not? You want to jump out of this plane? We're all going to die at some point in time. We don't know when that's going to happen. Have you ever thought about this, that type of thing? And so, yeah, it is important that people need to understand their need. They need to understand accurately where they stand. And even the people who don't want to think about that, they need to think about what they have seen in other societies that become lawless and

immoral and all the rest of this. And maybe that'll help them to start to connect the bigger dots that are going to have some kind of eternal implications for them. And again, I want to tell people, recommend your book yet again. That is The Doctrine of Lesser Magistrates. A very small book, packed with information, a very quick read. I think it is excellent. It is the best understanding, even for non-Christians, I think, to see the historical thread of this. But especially for Christians, it is an essential read since so many people have misrepresented

what our responsibility to government is. And I think you divide it exactly right. The book is The Doctrine of the Lesser Magistrates, and people can find it, of course, at Amazon. But it's better if they get it directly from you and cut out Jeff Bezos and company. It's defytirants.com. Is that correct? That's correct. Yeah.

Absolutely. Defytirants.com. Good, good. And send us that clip, and we'll get that in in terms of your interaction there at that event. And if people want to see even more clips, as Matt pointed out, you can go to their rumble channel, defy tyrants, and you can see all the different clips from that event.

Thank you so much for what you do. I really do appreciate it, Matt. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, David. God bless you.

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