The David Knight Show - INTERVIEW: Why the Left Weaponizes "Christian Nationalism"

Episode Date: October 4, 2022

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are taking the combined oral contraceptive pill or oral HRT, ask your doctor for a blood clot risk assessment. Visit thrombosis.ie. Now is Michael Voris, and his website is churchmilitant.com. Michael? Yes, it is, David. Thank you. So thank you for joining us.

I mean, there's a lot of issues to be discussed. I was just talking about it. One of the things that, and I didn't have you on throughout the pandemic. It had been a while, I think. We had been talking, I think, about, I got you on to talk about, since you're Catholic, to talk about the Pope and what he was doing with environmentalism at that point, because that was kind of a novel thing when he first became Pope. So it's been a while since we've talked, but it's just bothered me to no end to see what

happened during the pandemic with people shutting down and following the government's orders. I've never seen such a faithless church in my life as I would say the Church of America in general. And there's a lot of faithful churches that stayed open and other individuals who did. Some people were gaslighted by the government. And then after a couple of months, they opened up and many of them stayed firm and they took a lot of penalties on that. So hats off to them.

They were told that it was one thing that it wasn't. And when they realized that was a fraud, they did whatever they needed to do. How do you view this? And what have you been seeing and saying over the last nearly a thousand days here with this stuff? Thanks very much again, David, for having me on. Well, you know, one of the things I'm thinking in the Catholic world is this has been the whole question of closing down the churches. Because in, obviously, Catholic theology, while God's grace is not limited or confined to the sacraments, they are the guarantee of God's grace.

So the fact that you, for example, because bishops all over the country, all the bishops, shut down the sacraments. You couldn't go to confession. If you were laying on your deathbed and you wanted to get what Catholics commonly call last rites, that's not the formal name of it, but that's what it is. You're getting ready to die. You're getting ready to step into eternity and be judged by our blessed Lord for all eternity. And the bishops just cut you off from that final grace of sacrament.

You couldn't go to Mass. You couldn't receive Holy Communion, which Catholics believe because it is the body and blood of our blessed Lord. They just shut all this stuff off. Again, God's grace isn't limited by those sacraments, but to cut them off cuts off a guarantee of access to his grace. So that's a major violation of religious freedom and religious belief. I was going to say, the thing that I think was most disturbing for faithful Catholics is just how quickly and how long, how quickly bishops just fell in line with this. When that edict came out in the middle of March, I believe it was,

within four days, every single diocese across the country every single one of them had said that's it closed up mass on can't go in stay in your house no they were and then the whole sort of live streaming of masses began and uh long after all of this had been sort of exposed for you know what it is and you know not that people didn't get sick and die i'm not saying that of course course they did. But the ridiculous political grandstanding over it, long after all of that had been exposed, all over the country still dozens and dozens and dozens and dozens of bishops were slow to open back up the churches.

And then when they did open up Catholic parishes across the country, there were these stupid ropes where you couldn't sit in the first seven pews, and then you had to sit 50 feet sideways away from everybody, and you couldn't come up and receive Holy Communion unless you had your mask on up until the point of receiving, and then you had to put your mask on. All this kind of stuff really, really upset faithful Catholics. The more liberal Catholics, who are also liberal voters and progressives and all that, they didn't care. They think, hey, this is great. Oh, yeah, the whole COVID, you know, bow down to the COVID gods. But faithful Catholics were ticked. And I think there's an awful lot of resentment still being held by faithful Catholics, because the bishops have never to this day,

even with the CDC coming out and saying it, and the mandates are illegal, just one thing after another, as usual, the bishops have taken no ownership of their actions and their, what I consider, callousness towards faithful Catholics during that whole two-year period. Yeah, and you know, we've seen that across the board, because there's a lot of people who, when their focus becomes horizontal, you know, we're going to help people, we're going to do good with other people and all this kind of stuff, those people tend to gravitate, once it becomes a social gospel, you know, those people tend to gravitate towards government and ally with government, and then they participate

with government, and they get paid by government to help to administer some of these programs and that type of thing. And so, of course, they have a government orientation with all that. And we've seen that, uh, not just in the Catholic church, we've seen that in Protestant churches as well. They got a lot of the, uh, the leftist liberal churches, but I was surprised at how many conservatives were there. And I think that, that, that was something that had to do with the fact that it was being done by Trump. I think they were very clever to pull this whole thing off with a guy that had established his reputation as being anti-globalist, as being conservative and the rest of the stuff, because people would say, well, that can't be that.

You know, it's got to be real. We now have people that are out there saying, let me just play just a little bit of this. This is somebody saying, well, how do we tell the difference between flu and COVID? Can we start to tell the difference between influenza and COVID symptoms for sure now? It's not an easy thing to differentiate. And so it's not an easy thing to differentiate. And yet they were doing that. They were just calling it. They didn't have tests and they said, well, we don't really know the test work, but they're just calling it, getting a bonus for this thing from the very beginning. And I think, you know, there was a lot of people who were getting paid.

I know there was one guy who was, his name was Francis Chang, I think. He had set up a website that was going to do propaganda directed towards pastors. And he was getting a lot of money from the ad council and other places, $250 million in money for the ad council. So that was happening all over the place. People were selling it out for money, selling it out for government access, just as you saw. Sure.

I think one of the things also with regard to Trump is that, uh, uh, you know, look, you know, he's being told he's not a doctor, he's not a scientist, he's being told all this stuff as president, he's got Fauci up there and Burke up there, both of them have been exposed to what they are in the intervening years. But, you know, I mean, what's your choice really as president when the people who are presented to you as the experts say millions of Americans are going to die unless you do this. And I don't think it was a non-prudential call on his part. I think most people would have said, boy, we don't know exactly what we're dealing with here. And if in the scales is this some

political thing versus millions of Americans dying, i think the i think the prudential thing is was then to side with this at least at the beginning part but once it came out and it was people going wait a minute this is weird there's this question that question this is odd what's going on um i think the thing that really alarmed a lot of people a lot of even you know trump supporters is some of his base was that he kept going along with it and he still is he still is he's yeah he's still taking credit for saving lives with the lockdown and the rest of the stuff and you know that's the thing i said he gets booed when he said you notice it's not really a talking point in campaign rallies anymore i'm sorry the rallies i'm sure there'll be campaign rallies in a couple of months but right now they're just

rallies but yeah he doesn't say this stuff anymore publicly. Yeah. Yeah. I, yeah, that's what I was saying about, there were a lot of, uh, people, well-meaning people, uh, pastors who shut it down because they were told, uh, that, you know, this is the prudent thing to do and they wanted to save lives and, you know, uh, that type of thing. We send everybody here at the studio home as well and dropped onto this sort of draconian four people in here at a day. We've got, we, at the time we had about 40 workers. Now we've got 65 or so. But, you know, we only had three or four people in here at a time. Well, I covered, I think everybody was sort of thinking, you know, we don't want to take people's lives and put their lives at risk. Well, I wouldn't do that either, but, you know, I'd covered the CDC and Fauci and

these other people, not Fauci, but I'd covered the FDA and the CDC and all these people for years. And so I bet my life on it. I didn't do anything. And I was right. Yeah. I was driving around with a convertible on the top down and no mask. And, you know, it was like, look at this. I'm in the middle of winter to make the point. But I did everything I could to wake people up. Because I'd seen the scam before. We now know it is a scam. But there were people who didn't know, who had not seen this stuff. And I understand.

I don't have any grudge against people who were deceived by them at the beginning. But after a couple of months, it was pretty obvious what was going on. That's the point and that's why on from the from a catholic lay catholic perspective that's what people were starting to get ticked off of their bishops for yeah it's like wait a minute so many many various people are waking up to this and well is this wait a minute this is helping the democrats in the election you know with all the mail-in you know ballot every something's just weird here b, and you're just marching along with it. Well, as we know, the U.S. Bishops' Conference gets tens of millions,

and over the course of the last few years, hundreds of millions of dollars from the federal government for exactly what you talked about earlier, David, the social gospel. No such thing as a social gospel. That's right. That's right. Well, let's talk since the Supreme Court is coming back in. I talked a little bit about that. Everybody is, they're hopping mad about what the Supreme Court did with Roe v. Wade. We're rejoicing about that. Yeah, we're rejoicing. I said, not everybody's hopping mad.

Exactly. But, you know, I haven't seen this kind of ire thrown at the Supreme Court for a long time. But I think it was a very important inflection point because I was saying for years that this was not a law. This was not the Constitution. It was simply a Supreme Court decision. And we've had situations in the past where the Supreme Court has gotten it wrong. We've had situations in the past where you've had other branches of government, that's what it means to have checks and balances, other branches of government said, well, you know, like Andrew Jackson said, you made your decision,

let's see you enforce it. He said that to the Supreme Court. And so I said, you know, the appropriate response to Roe v. Wade would have been for Texas to say, well, you've made your decision, let's see you enforce it. That would have saved over 60 million lives, but that didn't happen but now the supreme court essentially said yeah that's right we have a 10th amendment and so i think that's a very important thing there's a lot of uh stuff that's going to be coming down the line from uh the supreme court um at live score bet we love cheltenham just as much as we love football the excitement the roar and the chance to reward you.

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what was happening. Now both are involved in this fight, but where do you see this going at the state levels? And what do you think should or should not be done at the federal level? Well, obviously at the federal level, I'd like to see a national abortion expulsion law passed. I don't think there's any real hope, certainly. Well, there certainly isn't in the next two years, even if Republicans do retake the House and the Senate. That's not happening because Biden would have to sign it.

So that's sort of dead on arrival. On a state level, it's interesting. We're based in Detroit here in Michigan and Detroit suburb. And there is a massive fight going on because this is one of those states where abortion is directly on the November ballot as you know the question and uh you know Governor Whitmer uh Marxist maven if there ever was one yeah uh has done nothing except campaign on gotta be able to kill children gotta be able to kill children gotta keep killing children see only she talks about

and uh if you're to believe the polls here in michigan uh because they're so extreme i mean another one came out today that her republican candidate the devos family backed um uh tudor dixon is trailing her by almost 20 points i mean i i know there's suppression polls but i mean that that's quite a claim. But all of them have had Whitmer up in the teens all the way through, ever since Dixon showed up on site, got the nomination, the GOP nomination. So on a state level, and we saw the same thing in Kansas, look, the devil and team evil are masters at packaging up their messaging.

And unfortunately, GOP leadership have proven time and time and time again to not be particularly committed to the pro-life cause. They're more committed to the Democrats, but I mean, that's, you know, talk about a low bar. So I think on a state level, what is going on for Kansas to have voted, And I know there's a bunch of things about, well, you know, the packaging was this, and it wasn't really accurate, and maybe they cheated, and da-da-da-da-da-da. You know, the pro-life cause got absolutely blown out of the water in Kansas. And yes, some of those other things are contributing, but, you know, I've done a few interviews on this very topic, and I'm telling you, when it comes to, because what's

behind abortion, what's behind abortion is unwanted pregnancy. How do we get unwanted pregnancy? You know, unwanted pregnancy, because people just want to have sex and they don't have to pay for the consequences of it. So they're willing to, they're willing to lay aside, many, many voters are willing to lay aside all of these issues, economic issues, national security. I mean, we're talking about possible nuclear limited, whatever that means, limited nuclear war, and CNN's got on things about abortion. So their callers are constantly abortion this, abortion that. And I mean, they've got the whole thing going with Herschel Walker right now.

I walked into the studio today, and it's Herschel Walker paid paid for an abortion hey cnn russia's talking about a limited nuclear strike you know you got something more important to talk about but that's just the point on the progressive left and it's really spilling over into middle america uh uh you know like say it on your show or not but you know people are more interested in having their completely secured orgasms and their right to have them whenever they want, with whoever they want, as many times as they want, and everything else falls into second place or third or fourth. And it'll be interesting to watch because that it's not just will, I mean, obviously the abortion thing here in Michigan is in a drive.

There'll be no red wave here in michigan it'll be just the opposite the question will be what will be the margin on that vote yes on proposal three means yep we're going to lock abortion in not just as some law but we're going to amend the michigan constitution and stick it in there uh no obviously means the reverse i don't think the no has a prayer well obviously praying we're doing novenas we're out and standing out we're doing all that stuff uh but on the practical level it doesn't have a prayer people people want to have unbridled sex and no consequences and that is uh is courtesy the entire mar Marxist propaganda campaign for the last 50 and 60 years to destroy the family. And when you get to a point where, you know, everything is okay, you can have sex with anything you want.

You can be a four-year-old kid and, you know, they've got the, what is it, the Mars or the maps or whatever they have now. You know, pedophiles who want to say in the political realm, you know, five-year-olds who want to have their genitalia cut off i mean anything in the sexual realm is is a go on that side and uh joseph chambra who is a tremendous uh uh tremendous guy who went through the whole he was abused by a catholic priest when he was young and got wrapped up in gay porn and all sorts of and everything he said isn't it interesting he just tweeted this out i believe it was yesterday at live score bet we love cheltenham when he was young and got wrapped up in gay porn and all sorts of everything. He said, isn't it interesting? He just tweeted this out, I believe it was yesterday. At LiveScoreBet, we love Cheltenham just as much as we love football. The excitement, the roar, and the chance to reward you.

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Yeah, that's true. It's a very solid point. it's a very solid point it's a very solid point these things have a yuck factor to them but remember back in the day 15 20 30 years ago all the gay stuff had a yuck factor to it as well that's when they when the media marxist media the governor the government governments all these people keep hammering and hammering and hammering eventually people get used to the idea. They aren't engaged in it. They would never do it themselves.

But hey, that's the whole libertine approach of do whatever you want. Just don't do it in front of me. That's right. That's going to fail. Well, and that's the thing. And so we don't have any leadership in politics. They don't have a moral foundation. And so if you don't have a moral foundation for any of this stuff then it simply becomes an issue of liberty and we and that's the

amazing thing to me is that here you have you know they're they're positioning this as an issue of liberty and of course we understand there's something more to it than just freedom because if you look at liberty who was it that restricted liberty more than perhaps anybody else in this country? And that was Whitmer as governor. And she was taking away everybody's liberty about everything. I always look at these people out there talking about my body, my choice that wanted to mandate vaccines,

wanted to mandate masks, wanted to tell you where and when you could go places and how you could interact with other people. My body, my choice. They don't believe any of that. And I've said that for years. I said, the only choice they want you to make is to kill your kid. And they don't support liberty in any way, shape, or form.

But we understand the spiritual dimension of it. We understand it's not really about liberty. It's about sexual license. And it's about depravity. And it's about sexual license, and it's about depravity, and it's about lust. Because if it were about liberty, Whitmer would be losing big time. But it's simply about lust, isn't it? I mean, she destroyed thousands of businesses here in the state. You know, Little Mama Pop Outfit, she's completely destroyed them. She sent thousands. I mean, she was like

Cuomo, uh, you know, Andrew Cuomo, uh, you know, part two, 2.0, she sent thousands of Michigan residents to their deaths in nursing homes, but because this is Michigan and not New York, the spot national spotlight traveled over to New York. She did the exact same thing here. Uh, but yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's just lust. That's it. The whole thing is about lust. Liberty is on. I need to be able to choose lust. Well, you can choose lust, but you shouldn't anticipate that you're going to get my vote to enshrine it as law and that I'm not allowed to speak up against it. But that's what it is. And that's what we've come to here. This is a failed understanding when you look at the French Revolution driving philosophical terms, fraternity,

equality, liberty. Those used to have, before the advent of Freemasonry. Those had very distinct Catholic Christian concepts rooted in theology and the scriptures and the fathers and the doctors of the church. They meant definite things. But once they got sort of run through the filter of Freemasonry and then sort of the age of the Enlightenment, they had the attachments to the divine stripped away from them and then they just became personal things so we you know i can go do this or i can go do that well no you can't you have liberty you have freedom so that unlike a squirrel your pet dog or something you can you have the freedom to choose the good that's why you have that freedom you don't have the freedom to just choose whatever you want that's insane uh you know we are we there's a brotherhood or

a fraternity based on the fact that we are all made in the image and likeness of god but when you take god out of the equation well what does our fraternity relate to then you take god out of the equation what does our liberty relate to it just comes down to personal choice uh and you know what so you know it is it is sort of the swan song of the uh abortion movement they could just say my body my choice unfortunately the swan song spoke i meant that it's their their mantra uh because that's it it's all about just choice that's it rooted in your personal perception of choice. That's it. Rooted in your personal perception of the universe, just like Justice Kennedy said in the Casey ruling in 1992, you know,

liberty is the ability to define your own concept of meaning and life in the universe. No, it's not. It isn't anything like that. If that's the case, why is what Hitler did wrong? That's right. Yeah. Who makes those standards? Yeah. And that's the case, why is what Hitler did wrong? That's right. Yeah. Who makes those standards? And that's really where this whole postmodernism is taking us. The idea that each of us has a truth, there is no absolute truth. And once we do that, then we are on the slippery slope, I think, of having a situation where if there is no moral standard, if there is no ethical standard that is outside of us, then everybody just does as they please.

And what these people are going to find is that they're going to be taken captive by the likes of people like B.F. Skinner, who wrote Beyond Freedom and Dignity, by the people like Yuval Harari, who says, well, you're just something that we can program. And that's what these people are going to do. They're going to treat them like machines or animals, and they're going to do to them whatever they wish. And that's what we've seen with these types of mandates that have been foisted upon us in the last year or so. But I think the real issue is the fact that they're able to re-engineer society because they have control of children from an earlier and earlier

age and so that brings us to the issue of schools uh what in your opinion do we need to do about education boy well blow it up yeah it's not education when you send your children somewhere uh normally unsuspectingly of course that's changing now with people becoming more aware of it. But up until very recently, and I would peg very recently to Stacey Langton, Mama Grizzly, and the Virginia situation with Governor Youngkin. And when McAuliffe came out and made that boneheaded comment and blew himself up and said, you know, parents don't have a right to say what your children are being taught. That's us. That's right.

You go back one minute before that, and parents simply were not aware of any of this indoctrination. Public schools, and unfortunately many private schools, including Catholic schools, are simply petri dishes for indoctrination, Marxist indoctrination. Again, everything we just talked about. They instill a certain worldview into those very young minds. They destroy the ability for those young minds to critically think and critically assess anything. And they just come out, as Dr. Seuss would say, they just sort of come out as the sneetches with stars on their belly. They just come out and they just, here I am.

Oh, you know, capitalism is bad. Oh, there is no God. And they just go on like that. You know, freedom of this, freedom of that. And they're programmed. And in the process of being constantly fed this stuff, it's important to remember that, yeah, their ability to critically think, their intellects, not their knowledge base, that too, but their intellectual capacity to think is being eroded. And as you look down the road, you think, where does this end? I mean,

the wherewithal to sort of pick yourself up by your bootstraps and move forward. Isn't there anymore. That's right. It was a deliberate dumbing down is what Charlotte is to be said about it. When she went to, uh, she thought she was going to be there to get rid of the department of education. Cause that's what Reagan had promised. She's very disillusioned, wrote the book, uh, the deliberate dumbing down of America, but they began with the dumbing down. And then they went to the degenerate down, you know, because that's what Reagan had promised. She's very disillusioned, wrote the book, The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America. But they began with the dumbing down, and then they went to the degenerate down,

which is where we are right now. And it really doesn't come as a surprise to me, because I've been focused for a long time, more than 10 years ago. It was back in 2009. I was doing stuff about the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child, where they were seeking to remove parental rights. That's now come front and center thanks to all of this stuff now.

But since then, I've been trying to get people to pay attention to where these people wanted to go with parental rights, and now they're there. And I think one of the things that was a real silver lining to this difficult couple of years that we've been through was the fact that parents, because of Zoom classes and closed schools, were finally able to get a glimpse as to what was happening in the classroom so that they don't really have an excuse if they want to continue to put their child in that situation. They now know

what they're exposing them to. And I think that was a big improvement that we have. But I guess then the question is, what do we do about it? Again, it is always about the money for people. And there is a financial trap, and they've entrapped us into a particular lifestyle, into a mortgage, and other things like that. And with the tax rates, two-parent home even, you have both the parents working to some degree or the other, they don't think that they can make it if they adjust their lifestyle and if they

focus on homeschooling. They don't think they can make that. I think that's really one of the things that we need to encourage them that, yeah, it does. I've seen it work out many, many times with people who didn't think that they could pull it off, and it actually does work. And it isn't simply out of your own strength. If you do it to honor God, God is going to step in there and is going to make a difference about that as well.

So, you know, you're going to be, if you make that kind of a commitment to your kids, God is on your side. And, you know, it's a very powerful thing. Yeah, I think there has to be an assessment on the part of parents today, especially of young children, to look around, realize all of this is going on, and then make a choice. Because what you're talking about, aside from a husband and wife whose chief responsibility is to get themselves individually

and each other to heaven, right below that, like tied.0001 below it for second place, is God has given you those children for you to get them to heaven. That's right. At LiveScore Bet, we love Cheltenham just as much as we love football. The excitement, the roar, and the chance to reward you. That's why every day of the festival, we're giving new members money back

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And yet they forsake that because they're worried about this or they're worried about that. And it's not to dismiss the things that they're worried about. Those are very real things. You know, can you afford to this? Can you afford that? But, you know, I mean, but they also hold people captive like you're talking about in terms of, you know, well, what kind of a future do you want for your kids? We had, um, you know, one of the most expensive schools in the country that was up in New York. People were paying like $45,000 a year for their kids to go there. And then they found out it was this racist, hateful, Marxist stuff, the diversity, inclusivity, equity type of things,

and critical race theory that were being taught to their kids. And they were very upset about it. And they went anonymously to a writer to talk about it because they were afraid to go on the record because they wanted their kid to have this name brand school. And that was going to put them on the fast track to success in life. But, you know, what does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his own soul? So that was where their priorities were. And that's what we have to talk to people. That's why this has to be a spiritually discerned and understood thing. It isn't just about the economics here. It's just like with the abortion thing. You have to take it back and you have to say, well, we're talking about a person here besides you.

This is not simply about your body. If you're not willing to get to that aspect of the debate, if you're not willing to get to the issue of religious worldview, I mean, that gets right down to the issue of what is education. R.L. Dabney said, if you just stick to math and you stick to other things like that, he said, that's not education. That is like a vocational thing. It's like learning how to use a tool or something like that. He said, education is really about culture. It's not education. That is like a vocational thing. It's like learning how to use a tool or something like that. He said education is really about culture. It's about religion. It's about all these different things.

And that's why he advocated that there be a complete separation of education and state. What do you think? Oh, I couldn't agree more. I mean, just be very clear. Public schools are government schools. That's right. And whoever controls the government. And again, that's not necessarily a party thing, although it's much worse when Democrats control.

But it's not like the Republicans made great strides when they were in control. You have people who are opposed to God in control. Some are light. Others are heavy in their opposition to things of the moral order. And when that crowd controls the education or the schools, the institutions where you send your children, how could you ever anticipate anything, any result other than your children coming out not believing. It's programmed for that. A child who comes out and still has his or her faith is actually a failure in the view of the public education system.

And again, it's not just public. I mean, government has complete control there. But many of the private schools have bought into all of this for their own individual reasons. And private includes Catholic schools. Well, they control them through the curriculum. They control them through the curriculum. And that's one of the reasons why they created the Department of Education.

It did two things. It gave them the ability to set curriculum at the national level. And the Republicans have been happy to join in with that as well. And then it also unleashed all this unlimited money that you get from the federal government. And they use that as a carrot and a stick. You know, well, if you don't put the kids, you don't put the boys in the girls' bathroom, we're going to pull that money that you got addicted to. So those are really the two things that the Department of Education has been about and has done from the very beginning of it. But, you know, as we look at this, Michael, that's one of the reasons as we're talking about how the federal Department of Education has corrupted education.

That's one of the reasons why I'm concerned about federalizing abortion laws to protect life. I would like to leave this local where we can have a little bit more, you know, more local the better, where we can have control over it, because I'm afraid that what we're going to wind up with in a very short period of time, even if you get a majority of Republicans in, in a very short period of time, even if you get a majority of Republicans in, in a very short period of time, you'll have, even with Republican support, you'll have some Republicans that will join in with it.

They will get back to Roe v. Wade and make it the law of the land. It never was the law of the land. It was a Supreme Court decision, but they will make it the law of the land, and then we'll be in a much worse situation than if we have states that can, you know, Tennessee can protect life. California wants to put itself out there as somebody that's going to come after it. So I see the federal approach as being something that, even from a pragmatic standpoint, is going to be more effective. Because really the battle is for the people who understand,

who have the discernment about what life and death and ethics and morality are. And if we can't make that determination, we're not going to be able to fix it from a political standpoint. I'd actually add on to this, David, that I think on a state level, within one or two election cycles, depending on which particular state you may be talking about, I'd say that within five years, outside maybe six years to allow for a final election cycle, I think every state in the country will have some sort of pro-abortion legislation on its books. I agree. I agree, because we're not doing our job. Yeah, we're not doing our job in terms of setting up a moral foundation if you've got a completely, not necessarily begins with not immorality, but it begins with a morality, no morality that they hold to. Right. And once you do that, it degrades very, very quickly, as we've seen with the schools and with everything else in society.

Yeah, I don't think there's a way. I just don't think there's a way around that. But when when this question is brought forward, even in these states, you know, they're, you know, red pro-life states. I mean, those are just snapshots of time right now. Most of those states just triggered earlier laws. You put the question in front of voters today and next year and another election cycle or two in those individual states, and that's what the pro-child killing forces are going to be doing they're marshalling they're using michigan as an example right now to kind of test what works they did that with kansas little by little they will target each of those i think it's 19 states as we sit here today i might be off by the number a little bit but

whatever it is whatever the states are that that have somehow restricted or eliminated or completely banned abortion, watch. Every single one of those states will have some sort of referendum be brought forward, and they'll go around and they'll start their thing, and within five to six years, all of those pro-life laws will be struck down and gone. And I think a lot of that goes back to the educational system. I mean, you look at what has happened in the explosion in the younger children, even transgenderism, that is because of the schools,

and they will be able to easily do that with the abortion issue. Because again, it does come back to sexual license. It's not about liberty, but it's about sexual license to do as you wish. The left is so good at painting this emotional picture of finding a victim who isn't really the victim, but finding a victim and expanding on them and then just suggesting to you, well, this poor person needs to have justice done for them. So they can call whatever they want, woman's right to choose, my body,

just across the board, every single cause they do. And they use the media so effectively at this. They personalize and emotionalize the issue to such a degree that an unthinking, uncritical public sits there who for decades now has been trained and brainwashed to cry and have a feeling and make their decisions, their intellectual decisions, to cast those aside and simply move on a gut feeling. Oh, it's a shame. Look at this poor girl. She, you know, you're forcing her to have a baby. You know, oh, look at this person over here. You're, you're forcing them to do that. There are larger issues at stake than an individual case. And yes, some individual cases are very hard, but most of these are not. 98% of abortions are had simply because they want

to kill the kid and get on with their lives. But you'll never hear that when you're watching NBC or reading in an article in the New York Times or the Associated Press or whatever. How fast after Dobbs did the Marxist media find the case of the 10-year-old girl from Ohio, Indiana, or whichever way it was? All over that that like white on rice. And when Dobbs when the Supreme Court announced this time last year that they'd be hearing the case, I turned to some of my colleagues here and said, Oh, oh, they're probably going to overturn Roe or they're at least going to drastically limit it. And they're going to

drop that white smack in the middle of the midterms. Oh, boy. This is going to be a certain type of show. That's right. Well, you know, and it is because the Republicans just cannot speak to the true issues, the foundational issues to it. And so they are defenseless to deal with it. The Republican Party doesn't have a moral founding. There's no moral grounding with these guys.

Haley Barber said in 1992 after the Clinton victory that Republicans and conservatives have to stop talking about moral issues and social issues and values issues and start talking about economics. Because that was, remember the famous know it's the economy stupid campaign and i'm not sure that they really did believe or had the backing uh or were backing moral issues and jerry falwell and the moral majority and all of that i don't even know that the leadership of the republican party was all that down with that anyway they had to put on appearances but certainly by the time clinton got in office the the republican

leadership just gave up on these issues they give them lip service every two to four years they can collect some money from you and you know they can get a candidate in you know because he's better than this child killer over here but when the push comes to the shove look you know it took forever it took a a an asteroid to smash into the political scene in the name of Donald Trump, who located this issue with social conservatives and who all realized very quickly with the Federalist List produced by Leonard Leo and all of these things that if they did not have, this was the moment, you were never going to get this opportunity again. Ruth Bader Ginsburg was old, you know, the other, and they needed to, if you were going to make your move, it never going to get this opportunity again. Ruth Bader Ginsburg was old,

you know, the other, and they needed to, if you were going to make your move, it was going to be now. And so all social conservatives really backed behind him. And in 2016, that was the number one issue in the exit polls. Did you go vote for, who did you vote for? Donald Trump. In the word, in the world of those who voted for Donald Trump, I believe the number was 26%. The number one issue was to get control of the U.S. Supreme Court because of abortion. So that was it. This was sort of the last gasp that he had to get in there and he had to get control and put a conservative majority in place so that we could arrive at this. Whether that's going to last or not, I wish the court would have said, that's a human being and it has the right to due process before you kill it. In simply returning it to the states, they should have made a constitutional thing and said, this is it. That's a human being. It's not a human being in Tennessee, but not a human being in California. So you've kind of, I mean, this isn't how, I mean,

we used a civil war to finally fix it, but imagine if you just let individual states decide, you know, who can be a slave and who can't. Yeah, it comes back to the personhood issue, you know. That's exactly what it is. The Supreme Court should have done that. That's really what they should have done. They've set the stage now by not going all the way of giving the left an opportunity now to hang on to something like they're going to do here in Michigan next month in the election, like they did in Kansas, and like they're going to do around the rest of the place. It's not a state's issue. It's, is this a human being or is it not? And if it is a human being, according to your own constitution, that human being has a right to due process before you end its life.

And they won't go that far. That's the problem. Well, of course they were, they were scrambling to adjust their websites. All these people who are out there bravely in front, you know, cheering all restrictions on abortion and everything. As soon as Dobbs came out, they all start scrubbing their websites and, you know, changing everything. Oh, no, now we're going to be in the middle of this. They could safely talk about how pro-life they were because all this had been turned over to the Supreme Court, which I don't really think has the authority to make those types of decisions for a life.

I'm very concerned about the centralization of those types of decisions. And again, it really is going to come ultimately, as you point out, in just a few cycles, even at the state level. If we don't have, as if Christians do not come out and set the moral standard, then it's all going to disappear anyway. The politicians are not going to set the moral standard. They don't have any morals, but whenever they do have a politician who does start to talk about morality, as you mentioned earlier, they're very quick to say, well, we don't want to hear that.

And so now what you're seeing now is the label of Christian nationalist, which is being applied to anybody who talks about their faith. That is implying that they want to establish a particular religion over and above other people's religious freedoms. So they're doing this against Mastriano in Pennsylvania and that type of thing. But he disavows that label, but he talks openly about his faith and they hate that. They absolutely hate to have somebody in a leadership position who would talk about the fundamental issues of morality and ethics that underlie all this

stuff. And that really is what I think this, this label, uh, uh, is, uh, how they're using this as a pejorative to try to shut people up, to gag people. What do you think? I couldn't agree more. Think about those two words. Some of them, sometimes the AP, when they wrote a story on us a few weeks ago, called us white Christian nationalists.

So there's, of course, you've got to throw racism in on everything. But for the moment, if you lay the race thing aside and look at just religion and nationalism, why is it so horrible to love your nation? Why do you want your longstanding, long-held national principles at the forefront of how you govern yourselves? Why is that bad? And the other thing, when you take the label Christian or Christian nationalist and you combine them together, what's so bad about wanting to live under a set of principles and laws that dictate and lay out the truth that all people are created equally, that they have equal worth, that that is rooted in the dignity they have as being created by God,

that they have the image of God within them. What other particular sort of social, moral standard would you govern a nation by? If everybody is equal in a Christian nationalism, and yet, so what's the alternative? Well, these people aren't equal, and these people are lesser, these people are more. I mean, that's really what we're living in right now. Maybe the lip service that everybody's equal, everybody has equal access to justice under the law, but everybody listening to this knows that's not true. That's not how it works out in the real day-to-day world. That's right. So, you know, you have to have their intersectionality. That's right. They have their intersectionality where

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created in his image. And that was the thing that they don't like. And that's what they want to erase. That's why they're tearing down the statues and rewriting the history and all the rest of this stuff. But, you know, when we look at that term, uh, Christian nationalism, uh, you had a poll that was recently done said, uh, about 70% of Americans say that declaring the U S a Christian nation is unconstitutional. That's the way they, they pushed this out. And of americans say that declaring the u.s a christian nation is unconstitutional that's the way they they pushed this out and of course we know they do push polls right but but it really comes down to people not understanding just like i think abortion comes down to people understanding personhood understanding that this is another body uh it's not

your body it's another body that you're doing this to. And when we look at this, they don't understand the idea of establishment. And they get confused. When you speak about Christian issues or you speak about your faith and you freely exercise your religious beliefs in doing so, they screamed that that is establishment. And I've been seeing this mislabeled and the fight against this since I was a child. I didn't really understand what was going on as a child, but I quickly understood that all this attack on prayer in schools and moment of silence in school and we continue on with this progression, that was all about them being able to muddy the water as to what is religious expression and exercise versus establishment of religion. You want to talk about that a little bit?

How do you see that? Well, Sherman, look, establishment means the government can't come in and say, this is the religion of the people, the country, the state, whatever. The Church of England is the government-approved religion of Britain, Great Britain. Okay, that's not what any of us are talking about. We're not talking about the government saying, here's Christianity. I'm talking about from an American political point of view. We're not talking about the government saying, you know, Christianity, because first of all, you know, there's tens of thousands of branches of Protestantism, there's Catholicism, there's

Eastern Orthodoxy. Which particular Christian religion would you be making the one in charge of America? So just on its historical footing, it's a stupid proposition, but nobody's talking about that. What we are talking about is that the principles that can be at play, that are rooted in that faith, need to be the dominant forces that dictate how our laws are written, how things are executed, how we interact with each other as a nation. Again, getting back to every person inside the womb, outside the womb, regardless of color of skin, whatever, every single person is created in the image and likeness of God. And from that single point, they receive rights from heaven, not from DC,C., not from inside the Beltway, who can then take them away. And the government exists to protect those God-given rights, not to grant them.

That's Christian nationalism. And, you know, but yeah, if you walk around and say, well, everyone wants to make America a Christian nation. Well, no, but we certainly do want America based on the Christian principle that I just outlined there. Of course you do, because again, what's the alternative? And I think that that comes back to us being allowed, should I say allowed, us not being allowed, but us speaking what we believe about our religious beliefs. It is something that we cannot dictate to other people. It has to come from within.

It's something that God grants, but it's something that we speak. And if they can gag us, that's what I see this whole, you know, canard about Christian nationalism. The way they're using it as a pejorative, I see this simply as another one of these tactics of labeling somebody so that you can censor them. And the same way they'll label you, oh, you're a white supremacist, you're racist, you're this, you're that, you're Christian nationalist, because they don't want to just come out at this point in time. They're going to get there, but right now it's a

bit too early for them to just say, we hate you because you're Christian. They want to add to the nationalist part of it there for now. But that is coming if we are going to allow them to shame us into silence and to gag us in the public square. And that's what I think this is ultimately about. Because the reason we had a nation that was based on Christian principles wasn't because we had some great Christian leaders. They had their flaws, for sure. You go back and look at these guys, Jefferson and the rest of them. But they were in a country that overwhelmingly, that was the culture, that was the sea that

they were living in. And because America was a Christian nation in its beliefs and its culture and everything else, that is why that influenced them to write the kinds of laws that they did. And if we don't have that, we can't force that on anybody. I don't expect somebody that's not a Christian to believe the things that I do or to act the way that I do. And so we understand that it's a bigger task than just a political task. We have to be a part of what is really happening to stand in opposition to this massive satanic flood

that is overwhelming, this paganistic flood that is overwhelming our country. And for part of that, we have to have, and even including political leaders, and people are going to speak to the issues, they have to be free to speak out. And I'm glad that many of them are saying, well, now I'm going to say this anyway, whatever you label me. But we have to all be that way, because otherwise they're going to cut us off one by one and

silence us. And it will be the Republican establishment as much as it is the Democrats and the public media that will silence anybody who's talking about real principles and ethics, I think. What do you think? Yeah, I think what the political landscape is shaping up to be, and again, it's important that you said Republicans also, because while there are obviously some good Republicans who believe all of this, most of them do not.

Or if they do believe it, they're cowards about professing it. Yeah. Why does all of this matter on the political uh uh sphere because you need to be able to create an opening in in the culture you need to be able to create an opening where these kinds of things can be talked about that's right and when you other side closes in and continues to wipe this out and gets control of that school board and, uh, you know, this particular congressional district or that borough in New York's, uh, you know, board of, uh, elders or whatever they call it in New

York. And, you know, you get control of the state government and then you start passing laws saying, we can't say this and you can't say that. What you do is you flood the public square so that the Christian voice has no access to people. That's the point. That's what they're trying to do. The reason we have to push back is not to establish a theocracy, but so that there is a space, an open space for us to be able to talk about any child has a divine right to be raised by its mother and its father.

You mean parent one and parent two, right? Oh yeah, I'm sorry, I forgot. Excuse me, I hope I didn't give any offense to anybody. All of these sorts of things, there has to be a space to be able to talk about all of these things. And right now, the push is on because they've got, look, the scales have tipped in their favor. And I think anybody who doesn't admit that has got their head in the sand. They have their hands on the levers of power throughout every institution

there is, including in many of the churches. And the idea is retreat, go into your house, be quiet. If you want to go sit in there and pray to, I don't know, your statue or your candle or your wall or your carpet, you do whatever you want. But just don't bring it outside that door. Yeah, put it in the closet. Put it in the closet. Well, and I agree, you know, we're going to wind up with closeted Christianity if we don't fight back against this. And I think one of the key things that we have to do is we have to fight back against these labels and definitions that they have created. And we need to get people

to understand that when we talk about Christian nationalism, we're not talking about establishment. And I haven't seen any of these politicians take that on directly. You know, what establishment meant is you're talking about, you know, which brand of Christianity, you know, we had Maryland was Catholic and we had Rhode Island was Baptist and you had Massachusetts, other places were Congregationalist. And so they didn't want to have an official federal church. They had official state churches and you would have to, in all of them, you would have to give money to the official established state church. Some of them you also had to attend.

And I draw the parallel to education, because that's really the parallel that we have now, is that we no longer have the compulsory attendance laws to these churches that we call state schools, but we'd still have to give money to these churches that we call state schools. And so that really is the issue. And I think they ought to take that and turn it around and talk about, uh, well, this is what's happening in the, in the schools because the schools really are seminaries, uh, for Satan, you know, it really is. And then you talk about how to steal that from you, David, please do, please do. I used to do that with, uh, we would go to, uh, Williamsburg colonial Williamsburg, and they had a great guy who, uh did Jefferson, and he would take questions from people, you know, and he would just push it off

and say, well, I know nothing about what you're talking about here, right? But I was talking to the audience, and I would say that, you know, you supported free exercise of religion, but I said, what do you think about education? Because that is a very much, you cannot separate that from a moral, religious worldview, cultural view foundation. That's what we see directly under attack now. And I think people can now understand that because they have weaponized it to such a degree, the mask has come off. And now everybody sees that that's what the schools are ultimately about. And we need to understand it. We got to have some, you know, you and I need to talk talk about this it'd be great if we had some politicians who would talk about it instead you know they'll they'll retreat from they'll deny the label of christian nationalists but they won't attack

this whole idea of establishment and say i'm not trying to force anything on anybody but you're not going to make me you're not going to silence me either yeah that's what they and why why are they so willing to cave in because the power of the media yeah they know because look there's there not for nothing to do fascist communists whoever uh when tyrannical minded people seize power the very first thing they do is go after the media they know that most people do not critically think most people are busy with their lives and all they need to do is just get control of that one organ, and they can begin to tip the scales in their favor until people who would have perhaps resisted their revolution,

now hearing nothing but lies about it and half-truths about it, will now embrace that revolution. And that's where we are right now. When you go from when you and I were children back in the 60s to moving forward to where we are now, it's not the same country. And it was affected by the media. And that's why now all these Republican guys, whoever, doesn't matter, name names, doesn't matter, big name Republicans, will not address this sort of thing. Because they're terrified of the media because they're terrified of their own political prospects.

They will not stand up and do what needs to be said and done, even at the cost of their own political career. The vehicle for keeping them in line is the media. That's right. We grew up going back to the 60s. We just had the three major networks and that type of thing. They were walking in lockstep. Things opened up a bit when we had the radio and stuff. But now, you know, it's not just the news media. It's not just the entertainment media.

But they now also have social media. And, you know, when this whole thing started, Michael, I looked at this and it's like I was just in despair. With the censorship we've got and, you know and I was feeling it very heavily myself personally, and looking at how they were able to gaslight people and to lie to them about what was going on with this pandemic, and then to lock them down, and they would go along with that. And it's like, I think it's over here. But we kept chipping away at it. And even with all of their control and censorship of social media and the narrative, with all of their weapons there, we just keep persistently putting the truth out there because

the truth is very powerful. And if you get just a tiny crack of it out there, it can really change things. And so if we just, you know, not despair about this, but we just keep plugging away, it is such a powerful thing that when it escapes, they can't handle it. And now we have seen this in the last, you know, it's been nearly a thousand days. And look at how people have gradually, it took a long time, but they gradually started to get this. And now once they've gotten it, they really have been inoculated against peer-need, you know. I guess a lot of these lies, haven't they? Very true.

Well put. It was a tough time, but I think a lot of people have now been inoculated. And so I think that's a good thing. Look, it was really great talking to you, Michael. I'm glad to have you back on. Tremendous. Thank you for having me on, David. It's great. We'll do it again. Yes, and it is churchmilitant.com,

correct? That's correct. Churchmilitant.com. Okay. Thank you very much. Have a good day. Thank you for joining us.