The David Knight Show - Jack Lawson: The Fragile Grid: How AI and Data Centers Are Creating New Points of Failure

Episode Date: December 20, 2025

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All right. All right. All right. All right. All right, welcome back and joining us now is Jack Lawson. And you can find his books, Civil Defense Manual. You can find that at jack Lawsonbooks.com. He also has a substack that he puts up a very interesting

articles. He's had so much experience in survival type of situations. And he knows a lot of people who are very well-schooled and who are expert and have lived this. And so there's a lot of excellent tips in this book. I wanted to get him on today because I wanted to talk about the vulnerability that I see in terms of infrastructure. The very first time I talked to Jack, we were talking about how vulnerable our infrastructure was, you know, to an EMP attack or something like that. And that was a long time ago. And we see all of these vulnerabilities really manipulating, you know, multiplying and interconnected. And so our entire society, our grid, and everything that supports it is getting more and more complex. And, you know, we see this

happening with the AI stuff that is there. The AI coming in and being inserted into our society is going to be a whole other point of possible failure when we become dependent on that. I mean, we're going to pull that NJAC into the Pentagon. They're very excited about pulling AI in the Pentagon. I don't know about that. I don't necessarily think that's a good thing. And so you have these different types of failure modes because we just had a couple of stories about that that I didn't get to yet today, but it can fail in some spectacular ways.

even the build-out of the data centers and the power that they require. It's going to be a real challenging thing, whether it is the green agenda that's being imposed on people in the EU and the UK, destroying manufacturing and rationing energy, making extremely expensive, or whether it is going to be done because of AI data centers, because they're going to get their first crack at any energy, and it's going to affect the rapid build-out it's going to affect the rates of energy as well as the availability. So we've got threats coming from both the left and the right in terms of the energy infrastructure. And that is such a fundamental part of our society.

We can all remember back to the rationing that happened with OPEC. Just think when they start rationing electricity and other things like that. And that can come from a number of directions. But it also can come from conflict. When we look at what is happening in Ukraine and Russia war, the two of the two of the them are taking pot shots at each other's infrastructure and it is so incredibly easy and you've talked about this many times jack so incredibly easy to take out this complicated distributed infrastructure and it can be very time consuming to get it back if they take out the right

things can it yes it can uh david i'd first like to say this um i have a christian mentor now I'm just trying to get the heathen out of myself. But he's a retired Army colonel, very, very articulate and intelligent guy. He sent me a picture from the Hubble telescope of our galaxy, and he put an arrow to a little spot in, I think it was in the Orion Arm, and he put a little arrow to it and said, us. and I look at this thing. I put it at the top of my to-do list that I look at every day.

I've got to run it out eight weeks, so I know what's going on. And I was just blown away by it. The Bible, I'm going on 79. Am I afraid? No. I'm not afraid. I used to think I was lucky. You know, and things that are happening in my life,

I shouldn't be talking to you. I mean, it's just that I'm not trying to portray myself as Mr. Danger, action guy, or anything like that. But the point being this, issues I've had with my daughter, issues I've had in combat, I shouldn't be here. My daughter wouldn't be here if, in my opinion, it wasn't divine intervention. And I think people have to know. This is the first year I'm looking at Christmas differently. It's not decorations. It's not toys for the kids.

It's a good feeling, and it's the birth of somebody, I believe, is the savior of mankind. Unfortunately, we live as prisoners in physical, uh under physical laws that uh i don't think apply in the rest of the universe and uh people people look at this as things can happen that are outside of this dimension uh you know i think they're then in the you know i like uh mass prayer i believe it has a basis but uh anyway going back to let me let me just explain the ultimate the ultimate preparation right is really that that event that's going to happen to each and every one of us and that's really what we need to prepare for first and foremost i think and you're absolutely right about that yeah yeah in this realm uh food and water i used to put food first i've changed it around now to put water and food because the water situation is uh that's moved up the ladder. I don't think people realize we don't have the wells

that we used to have. We'd open wells. We have a structure that's so complex and so dangerous and so fragile. And born governments

that don't like us have been spent 35 years or more practicing, hacking into our system. And now, will that happen for any reason? I think will happen if we align ourselves in some of these ongoing wars.

Yeah, I agree. We've already aligned ourselves in the Middle East, so that makes a bunch of enemies. But I think that people have got to look at one thing for Christmas, if they're going to get anything. Get some blue barrels, a couple of them, and fill them full of water. I have an article for free on my civil defense website to tell people out of, out of

store water and store it safely to keep bacteria from growing at it. Yeah, yeah, because we're talking, always makes me think about Darwin. You know, he saw bacteria growing in the water. He goes, spontaneous generation. Life coming out of water, you know. It's like, well, no, water is a condition that's necessary for life, but it doesn't create life. But, yeah, you can wind up with a lot of living things in your water if you don't store properly, can't you? It's a really true.

Yeah, I've had, I've consumed water when I was in Africa that looked great until we found the black guys with me, drank a couple canteen full, and they'd been used to those water sources. I put purifying tablets in mine, and I had amoebic dysentery within 24 hours. And it looked, the water looked so good. until we pulled the float cover up, it was in the middle of a Mozambique, and it was a cattle watering trough with a windmill. We pulled the float cover up, and there was a dead monkey under there, full of maggots, and the black guys were peachy. They were just all happy and everything.

I wasn't the next day, I can guarantee I had it for a couple of months, and finally had a doctor in parachute going through parachute school with me. He said, I get a care for it, and I'll spare you. the ghastly detail it was unbelievable scary to death by pushing out of the playing right yeah no more dysentery after that moment i'll tell you what people didn't want to be around me so but uh so important thing don't don't don't have dead monkeys in your water that's important safety tip that's well you know and this is true of water you'd see in a beer commercial going down to rocky mountain uh stream you know it can look

good but it's unbelievable i'll say this even city water uh it's you know try to talk to these guys that run these places uh and getting information from them they don't want to say anything but the bottom line is if you're dependent on your tap water uh you can expect it to be shut off at some point mm-hmm and you can also expect that maybe there's not a dead monkey but there might be aborted babies in it, right? That's what I was talking about earlier, you know. I wasn't aware of that until I watched you say it, talk about that. Yeah, I mean, you know, think about that.

I mean, you know, I can't get one thing about this abortion. What happened to birth control? I know. You know, I don't understand why this is the means of keeping from, you know, a woman getting rid of a baby is birth control. It adapts a spirit to me. that's there. And I think it's wrong and I think it's actually evil that people do this.

Unless it's a medical emergency and that would have to be really defined properly. Well, it's taken a long time for us to get to really realize what it truly is and what it's about. And they've done a very good job of keeping people in the dark about it. And so, you know, it took a very long time. I remember, you know, when I was younger, you know, the Christians all around me, none of them really got it. I mean, the Catholics understood it much earlier for whatever reason. It took a much longer time for most of the Protestants to come around

and really realize what was really going on here and start opposing it. So, yeah, they can manipulate people pretty easily. My wife and I, our third child, we'd actually paid for an abortion. We were living in Minnesota then. And we went to Minnesota, Minneapolis. It was going to happen at 6 o'clock in the morning. We went out for a supper she could eat until 12 o'clock. And we sat there and we looked at each other and we both started crying.

And we said, you know something? We're going to take what comes from this. We'll just take it as that's the way, that's what we got. Good. And we got a beautiful daughter out of it. My God, she was the first place fitness finalist in the United States. has 4,000 girls in Los Angeles. That's a great story.

And she's a wonderful salt-of-the-earth girl. She's very, she's got her kids in a Christian school. She pulled them out of the school system where she lives because of the DEI and woke stuff that's in there. Yeah. And it's out of control. So, you know, we took what was given us, and it was a godsend. And I use that word, God send. as one word because that's what we got it had to come from there i can't even begin to tell you

all of the issues i've had she had another issue uh from me uh let me let me tell let me tell your uh listening audience a little bit about me uh first thing was i was in the american air force and uh this is the crazy guy that wanted to go to vietnam and everybody it was going didn't want to go and I wanted to go. I went into electronics. I was guaranteed I could go to Air Commando School. And I got stuck in a missile squadron in Minnesota. I'm from Minnesota.

I didn't even know there was an Air Force base there. And I ended up getting advanced electronics training because of my electronics aptitude. So I was the new guy that got stuck sitting on top of the warhead of the W. a 40 thermonuclear warhead, and I got irradiated from it. And I'm in the process of determining some of this. But the daughter I'm talking about, all three of our kids are great, but the daughter I'm talking about almost died from a massive hemorrhage. She's one of five recorded women in the world with two uteri.

Wow. And she got pregnant in the deformed one. And of all places, she was, she has a software company, too. She was going into an attorney's office, and she called me and she said, Dad, she said, something's wrong. She said, I've been bleeding before, but I'm bleeding a lot. And she lost eight of her nine blood units. I said, get on 911 right now.

So they sent an ambulance over from the trauma center right next door to where she was. And got her in there. They couldn't save the baby. they saved her but of all things now tell me what the odds are am i lucky about this next door in that trauma center there was one of the world's foremost gynecological surgeons giving a lecture to 100 doctors american doctors he was from croatia and they pulled him out of that lecture took him in there uh again he couldn't save the baby but uh the baby's four months old or something but he spent six hours reconstructing her female organs,

and she's got two wonderful, beautiful, normal kids now. That's amazing. Tell me what the odds are that you would have a gynecological surgeon like that right next to you. So anyway, I... That's a providential miracle right there. Not only was her doctor in the house, but he turned out to be an expert obstetrician. How about that?

Yeah. I wrote a nice letter to him. He was just a great guy about everything. Am I getting afraid because I'm 79? No, I've faced death so many times. I'm numb to it, and I mean that. I am numb to it when I see a catastrophic situation that I come across. I don't rack like most people.

I react mechanically. I've seen things that people haven't seen. after the Air Force, I went into the Foreign Legion in Africa, in a nasty guerrilla war. I was in an anti-terrorist unit, and I got my fill of combat. After that, coming back to the United States is on one of the largest police boards in the United States for seven years. And in doing that, I ended up riding around with policemen all the time. and I have a great deal of sympathy for policemen. People complain about this happened and that happened,

and they're a cross-section of people, like, as much as they filter out, they're a cross-section. There's good ones and bad ones. A vast majority of them are good people. Sure. So I've had a lot of experience with that. I'm not going to go into other things, but the long and short of it is I'm more than lucky.

And as I told you once before, one of my friends looked in my car and saw a Bible and said, Lawson, you, a Bible? And I said, yeah, I said, I go to a Bible study group. I've got a combat veterans group that came out of the VA that I go to, and I've got another group of Christian people. I go there. I have problems relating. I'm trying to connect to our Lord and Savior. and God and the Holy Spirit, and I'm working on it. Well, you know, that's the key thing.

You know, gratitude is a really, really helpful thing for anybody to have. And so you got the gratitude. But, you know, when you got gratitude and you don't know who you should be thinking, that's, you know, who are you thankful to, you know, just past Thanksgiving. It's important to know who you are thankful to and who has put together those events in your life. And that's a real grounding thing. So I'm glad that you're on your way. We're all on our way.

None of us have really got it all figured out. And so the blessing is that you realize that. And that's the key. That's really the key. So, yeah, you know, you talk about different cops. Well, before I forget it. Mm-hmm. Yes.

Before I forget it, Merry Christmas to you and your staff. Well, thank you. Merry Christmas to you as well. Yeah, you were talking about riding around with the cops and how, yeah, they're all, it's a mixed bag, and I've talked many times about Frank Serpico, what he had to say. He said, you know, when you have any institution, you're going to have good and bad people in it. And the question is, is the institution going to embrace the bad or is it going to purge it out? If it embraces it, then it becomes a corruption throughout the entire institution, which is what he saw in the police. police department in New York and what he spoke out against. But, you know, we just had this terrorist attack over the weekend in Bondi Beach. And I had an article I didn't get to today. And there was a woman who was there and she said, she got separated from her three-year-old and all the shooting was going on. And she said, the police were there and they were just standing around,

two of them, about this whole thing. She tried to get one of their guns, which she's lucky that they didn't hurt her. But she tried to get one of their guns because she's going to go do something about it. And so you've had a lot of people who say they just stood around. They didn't do anything. And I've said for the longest time, this is why you need to have guns and, you know, teachers need to be armed because, you know, what happened with that guy who disarmed the shooter, he didn't have any weapons, but he, and he went after him unarmed. And so that's heroic. But you don't have that many heroes in life. But if somebody is coming into your school and shooting people and you've got a gun and you know how to use it defending yourself and defending other people there

that's not heroic that's just self survival and and that's the key thing that's part of the preparation you know we need to have yeah well you know people do thanks for a lot of reasons why you know i've got a part in my book and on my website of why people become victims and And it's incredible. It's human nature, though, even though it is incredible. I would say that I was very much trusted and liked by the Main Street policeman where I was on this board. They were all apprehensive about having me in their car at first because I was a board member. Yeah, they've been movies about that, right?

Right along, you know, where you're right? Some guy rides along with a cop. Most of them, their first instinct is to open the door and push you out. They don't watch you, you know. But they just, they got to trust me, and the word went around. And so they had me in their cars, and they liked the fact, you know. There were generally, 99% of them are great guys. There's a, like I said, it's a cross-sacet.

And as much filtering as they do, they get people in there that maybe shouldn't be in there. But they were great people, but it absolutely did one thing for me. I wanted to be a policeman at one time, and I no longer want to be a policeman. Those guys live in a combat zone and then go home to their families. It's a horrible mental trauma for those guys. Yeah, it's really tough. Our group actually, one of our groups that I go to the Bible studies is we're trying to some of these guys in but politics come into play you know that's the unfortunate part of a lot of

this yeah politics is always there well you you have the the books at jack loss and books you also have a substack tell us a little bit about your substack um where people can find it and the kinds of articles that you've been out there we've reposted some of them well I go back to one thing. I feel like an insurance salesman, you know, that's talking to somebody's blind and death. It's critical that people store water and food. Bottom line, water and food. Second thing is medicines. And the third thing is to get together with your neighbors and get to know your neighbors. And the reason you want to do that, if things go bad, you're going to have an idea of who you can count on and who you cannot count on. I have a whole structure of setting up a

neighborhood group like we do. The long and short of the thing is, if things go really bad, which there's a strong possibility of, especially over this Ukrainian situation, I don't want to bum people out before Christmas, but the next five months, you can probably expect a European Union to go into the Ukraine

directly. I don't know what they're going to go in with. Woke units that are wearing high heels or what, but the French sent 1,500 foreign legionnaires in there, and I think they're probably all gone.

I haven't heard anything more about it but I'm not supporting the Russians but I can tell you that they have obliterated almost everything has been set in against them. I'm sure Putin's a pretty

ruthless guy one of my friends in my special forces chapter arrested him one time in Berlin and they let him go because they thought he was a low level guy they didn't know he ran all of the East German KGB and they there's a lot of people that are

miscalculating about him aren't there? Oh yeah yeah he's a very very intelligent guy that knows how to use deception absolutely to his benefit but uh if we go in there that's when this hacking if we get dragged into this thing there's a couple of bills in front of Congress to get us out of NATO, which that should have been done a long time ago. Oh, yeah. But if we get pressured, the president gets pressured because of a treaty to put people in there, and we get directly involved or even indirectly to a degree, I think you're going to see hacking of systems.

Oh, yeah. Water. Who knows? Dron attacks. I mean, look what's going on over in the Ukraine. Yeah. I don't think they're going to have very many Christmas trees lit over there. their whole electrical structure is just not unless i got a match yeah they're burning the tree

that's about all they're going to have it's uh they've they've taken out almost all their electrical uh when you get down to generators it's a touchy thing you know to run most systems and they're going there on the other hand as well and not just ukraine from russia but the ukrainians are sending in drones to blow up oil depots and other things like that refineries inside of russia it's going in both directions. And it is so easy to do now with the drone warfare. And so when you stop and think about this, if we're going to have,

if we're going to turn the drug war into a hot war and we're going to start shooting and bombing these different drug cartels, they've been around now for over 50 years, and they've gotten a lot of money, they've gotten very ruthless, and they've got a lot of equipment as well. But they didn't even need to have a lot of equipment.

They could do their own asymmetric warfare, When you look at it, they could start blowing up our infrastructure if we go against Venezuela or if we go against Mexican drug cartels. Really, if he wants to go against fentanyl, that's obviously going to be attacking Mexican cartels. And so that kind of thing could escalate very quickly. If that were to happen, I would expect all of this, which I think, you know, putting the troops into cities for immigration stuff, I think that was really more about moving the Overton window to put them.

into cities, which is something the Pentagon's been talking about doing for a long time. We talked about this under Obama even. This is a bipartisan agenda. It happens with Democrats, happens to Republicans. It's got to move the military into the cities. We're going to be fighting in the cities, said Pentagon videos, and I've played those for people now for over a decade. And that would be the thing that would kick it off, and people would be cheering for that. If we've got drug cartels that start taking out our infrastructure.

That's a double-edged sword. Yeah, that's right. That's a double-edged sword, putting troops in. I don't know how they're going to rectify this issue with all of these people in here, sucking the financial system dry. It's way more money than I think anybody's reported, but I look at the alleged $8 billion in Minnesota that just disappeared of federal funds. My absolute fraud.

I come from a multiracial family, but my sisters and brothers adopted kids from all over the world. They were kids. They grew up to become Americans. When you bring somebody from Africa, and I've warned people of this, not to bash to Muslims, but they're Muslim, and they don't integrate very, well they'd never get over there a lot of them are Muslims and especially when you're bringing them in a large mass yeah that's right yeah you bring them in with the the adult mindset and the first thing they do is what they did where they were from and they want to tell you all about your country but the place they left is a hole in

the ground it's it's absolutely atrocious I mean I've seen these people I've seen the starvation. I've seen the killing. It's just there's somebody you don't want in your society. Yet they've, how many millions have they brought into this country? It's out of control

and Yeah, you were saying that you were in Minneapolis. That's now become a little Mogadishu. Oh my God. I've talked to people. A friend of mine is son's a homicide

detective in Minneapolis and he's busy there's parts of town they don't even go into with a with a convoy of police cars it's just too dangerous and that's that's never been before the Minneapolis I remember was

pretty calm and you didn't have those types of situations and again if you know if Trump owns to do something why not start there you know it seems pretty like that would have been the obvious would have been the obvious starting place but they wait a

It was a long time to get involved there, didn't they? Oh, it's totally out of control. Yeah. Last time I went back there, I could not believe it. They were giving unvetted people, all of them Muslims. They're giving a tour of the airport to try to remove suspicions from them. The tour of all the secure areas, everything. As far as I'm concerned, everybody up there is pretty much lost their mind.

You know, they are too docile about everything. They don't want to offend anybody. But get yourself in a group of those people and see how you're really treated after they get familiar with you. That's right. Going back to the water, the food, people don't realize how fragile these things are. I've got a lot of articles I think 120 or something like that

on my substack Jack Lawson dot Jack Lawson Books. Substack.com and there's a lot of articles on there that will tell people how

to do some basic preparation. And if there's one thing I could get across to people of anything I say today is to store, water, and food. It is critical. It's going to be a madhouse if you don't have it and you're going to be involved.

I believe this, that if you don't have a plan, you're going to be a part of someone else's plan, whether you like it or not. And that part may be that they're going to kick your door down, injure you, kill you, rape your wife, daughters, whatever. I don't want to make this sound horrible, but if you don't have a means to defend yourself and you don't have food and water, you're going to be part of that crowd. The other thing they might be doing, if it gets bad enough, is having you for supper because cannibalism, as much as people don't think it's taboo here, it will resurface. That's the long and short of it.

Yeah, I mean, we've seen that with several different movies. I remember the one movie about the plane crash and that was at the Andes or something And, you know, they're stuck up there And, you know, that's what that was about, you know But, you know, the Donner Party or whatever, you know That's one of the jokes we used to always do When we go to a restaurant, they'd ask for a last name

And I'd tell them Donor, so they would announce Donor Party of five And it's us, I mean, we're pretty hungry Better get us a table Oh, it starts off that somebody's dying And says, I want to give the gift of my body to you. Yeah.

You know, and people will resort to that if they're hungry. That's where I draw the line. I don't know. I suppose living around the world like I've lived, I've probably had human flesh consumed and didn't know the difference, but, I mean, they said that poor girl in England, 13 years old, they killed her and put her in kebabs, you know, And that's where these people are out of control.

They don't belong in this country. They're just, I don't want to sound xenophobic, but that's a fact of life. They don't belong in this country. If you want the third world in this country, get used to live in the third world, and I've lived in it. I've lived in the third world and what I call the fourth world. and what would you call the fourth world well i call the third world a place that has maybe gravel or or uh beaten path the fourth world doesn't have a path or a they're just uh there yeah

yeah and it's natural unadulterated state right yeah that's true but we are we are in a very precarious situation. You know, this is not hysteria. I have a lot of contacts. People that were in the intelligence community, and they're all expecting something to happen in the next four or five months. When I say something happened, I think this Ukrainian thing is just going to go on.

It's almost like 1984. You watch that movie. Yeah. And Eurasia and the rest of the way they're constantly going. going at war. Yeah. I've never seen anything like this in my lifetime. I've never seen this kind of mass delusion and insanity.

What I think is happening with it, Jack, is, you know, we, about every 80 years, you know, we have a massive restructuring of society. It's a pattern that's been pretty well documented. And so we've already got the economic aspect of it. The war is the next thing is Gerald Slinty, who I have on frequently, usually says, you know, when they lose everything, they take you to war. And they understand the mess that they've made of their countries. They brought in this massive immigration stuff and, you know, it's a replacement and it's bearing fruit now and their Green New Deal where they have shut down people's power and shut down industry and other things like that.

People are getting really, really angry about it. And so they understand that people are catching on, that people realize that that's the program. And so to keep them from coming after them as a self-preservation act. they will take the country to war. I think that's fundamental of us behind all of this stuff. I think if you look at history, World War I, World War II, to a degree, the Civil War, was over people in the south, bypassing financial people in the north and sending their cotton

and buying their equipment for cotton processing directly from England. That was economic to it. First World War economic? Second World War is economic. Look, the European Union is a disaster. It's broke. When Germany closes its Volkswagen plant after 88 years, you know something's wrong. That's right.

They've had so much, so many woke programs, and they've spent so much money on social programs that are a waste that they don't have anything left. They stop making cars. They're going to start making weapons. That's the key thing. Yeah, that kind of covers the books. They beat their plowshears into swords. So the other way around, right?

Yeah, yeah. So I think that if the European Union goes in, that you're going to start to see a lot of long-range weapons that are not available now being given to the Ukraine, and they're going to start striking deep inside of Russia. And I think the first thing, thing that's going to happen is, well, imagine this. Putin calling Macron and the French premier and saying, you know that city, Lil you got up there

in northern France? Well, you better evacuate it because we're going to obliterate it in next 48 hours. They don't have any defense against, there's four or five weapons systems the Russians have, and the Chinese pretty much have the same thing that they have no defense against it. We have no defense against it. Hypersonic. So I just hope we don't get, yeah, the Kinshel and Orashnik and some of these missiles. They've got a nuclear cruise missile now. That's been on a drawing board since 1953. We started toying with it, but we dropped it.

But they have developed something, apparently. So I don't want to see this happen. There's been way too many people killed. Anybody waves the flag and wants to go to war probably hasn't been. involved in one. That's right. The death and destruction is beyond words, and you just can't convey it.

So people need to store food and water, bottom line. And it really is upon us. I mean, you know, there was a rumor mill that was sent around, and, you know, some people say, well, that was just to get people to watch Trump's address, you know, saying that they were going to declare war. But my take on it, Jack, I wonder what you think. I, when he declares his total blockade and then Venezuela responds by saying, well, then we're going to use our Navy to escort the tankers. It seems to me like it's really imminent there.

Oh, I do. Because, you know, it's just a push comes to shove and we're really close to that happening. And as my take on it was, I figured that the White House administration staff figured that was probably going to kick off before we even had his speech. I'm surprised that it hasn't kicked off yet. I mean, I haven't looked at the news while I've been. been doing the news here, but I wouldn't be surprised if I get finished with the show, and I see that, you know, they've already kicked off hostilities there in Vietnam and Venezuela. I call it Vinnie Nam because it's like we're getting dragged into this thing.

Yeah, it's unfortunate, but I think a lot of that comes from, I don't know. I've read that a lot of the computer systems that were tabulating votes were seeming to center out of Venezuela for some reason on the 2020 election, I think that. Well, Smartmatic has been at the epicenter of all these questions about electronic election integrity, and there have been, you know, it started there with some pals of Hugo Chavez, and they have had massive scandals in many other countries, not just in America. I mean, they were accused of election interference in the Philippines, and Brazil, I think it was, in several different provinces of Mexico.

So they have a long history, which is the thing that really amazed me, all the people who were pushing against, you know, for the election stuff in 2020 for Trump, never brought up that history of Smartmatic, you know, even after they had the lawsuits and stuff, they didn't say, well, we're not the only one saying this. This has been said in, you know, more than a half dozen different countries. They've accused you of manipulating the elections. I question why that was. Yeah, exactly. Why wouldn't they make that case? And why would they continue to use the machines anyway?

I said that in 2016. You had the Republican Party in Utah, and they had a lot of strong opposition in Utah to Trump in 2016. And they wound up running a guy who was former CIA against Trump to try to play games with, you know, going through and getting the electors, you know, for the nominee. but I questioned why the Utah Republican Party would bring in, of all things, smartmatic into Utah. And I questioned that back in 2016. I said, so why are they trying to rig this, you know? And I think they know that the thing is rigged. They just want to be able to pull the levers themselves. You know, that's why they don't really pull the curtain back and tell you what's going on.

That could be. I'm just, I'm of the belief we need to go back to the indelible in. ink figure and paper ballots that's right uh i felt something was going on way back when they were having the dreaded tab problem down in florida yeah there was something it just didn't look right the hanging chads the hanging chad long before chad became a meme of some rugged guy that's the internet but uh yeah that was uh I thought that was really, if you're looking at that point in time, and you mentioned, you know, the indelible ink on the fingers,

that's how they ran the elections in Iraq. And it's like, it's pretty easy to do this. You do it on one day, you get the indelible ink that's there. And you have paper ballots and you have people watching it as it's counted. It's not rocket science. It doesn't have to be. No, the rocket science comes in when they want to manipulate it. I had a woman, a black woman in my office,

we were friends with her and her husband. And they knew all about my background, and he was a great guy. She was a great woman, and she was Daly's right-hand man. She said, if they're sending one of the Dailies down to Florida to sort that out, she said, those guys are masters at election deception. She quit right in the middle of an election. They told her to take some buses and run them around, and because the guy that was doing the buses was sick,

and she said, I'm not going to do that. They fired her on a spot. Oh, yeah. The funny thing was, her husband was a very prominent architect, and all of a sudden all of his business dried up. They had to leave Chicago. Wow. They virtually had zero income compared to millions,

and they came out to Las Vegas and ended up getting a business there. I went and testified for him in court as an expert witness on something. And, oh, my God, I could not believe what was going on. It was like following them there. Oh, yeah. Wasn't a judge. It just was the whole situation didn't sound right. But she was very, very well-versed in election deception.

She said, I saw it all the time. They get Republican people as poll watchers who are really Democrats, and they've been that for 30 years, and they totally control it. Wow. Yeah, I'm worried about the 2026 election. Yeah, I don't even worry about the elections anymore. I worry what they're going to do once they get in, and I see the things being done by these different people. That's true. I think we've got a movement in the right direction, but how much another three years is going to do?

I don't know, or two years if they don't have control of the Congress. But, I mean, why worry about a, if you were going to talk Democrat or Republican, why worry about a Democrat or Republican when you got Republicans are worse than Democrats? Yeah, in many different ways. That's the unfortunate part. Colonel Douglas McGregor made a very interesting statement, which was they vote the way their donations come in and their donations come in heavily from defense industry so in a in a way as much as trump supposedly is try to stop wars um there there's a movement that's the undercurrent is

still go to war that's right and you know in its first in its first term need to prepare they need to get their mind right about this thing. The situation we live in is just extremely volatile. We've got all of these social media platforms. One lady told me I call them Satan's platforms

because people will say and do things. It's polarizing everybody. People will say things to a person on the internet. I know an African-American woman who got fired from her job for simply responding on Facebook to a statement she put out,

and they took her statement without the other statement, that got deleted, and sent it to her an employer, and they fired her. She had no hearing, nothing. They just flat out fired her. And it was wrong what they did. She's a very nice lady. And this is the kind of thing that goes on through these social media. platform. Hell, I got rid of my

iPhone. I got a flip phone just to keep my sanity. You know, it's... Oh, yeah. That's right. It's just constant. I see people, they've got their nose stuck in their iPhone. That's right. And what they need to do is look around with what's around them that a grocery store has got groceries, excuse me,

before, because a truck delivered them. I mean, you have, direct supply to distributors. Now, grocery store being a distributor, they don't even have a warehouse with reserve foods in them anymore. That's right. I go over all this stuff in the Civil Defense Manual. And if I've had people read it,

I had one guy that bought my book, and he sent me an email, he said, I don't know. He said, I don't like to read that much, but I bought your books. But my wife's read them. And now she's telling me everything we've got to do. So I got the A to Z in there.

And you got it in a book format, too, because it's one of the first things we talked about, the fact that, you know, you did that deliberately because you don't want people to have to be dependent on electricity or Internet in order to be able to get access to that information. In the worst case scenario, that won't be there. So I also put it in 14-point font. It's big letters. and I put it in such a manner it's 8.5 by 11 in the book

so people can read it easily. And this guy told me that his wife is now who wasn't for any kind of preparation before she's buying everything. He said, I have to watch her. He said you'll go in and pick 20 cans of something up in a grocery store.

But that grocery store is there because of truck runs. A truck runs because there's fuel. A truck runs because there's nothing interfering with the navigation system or the truck computer systems. And that's very fragile, just like the water system. That's right. And the fuel is there because they've got a refinery that is still working that hasn't been hit by a drone or something like that as well.

Correct. Correct. So many points of vulnerability everywhere. Yeah. Yeah. Didn't they have a drone attack on a fuel dump out in California here about three or four months ago? I'm not sure. I don't remember that.

They tried. I didn't see it. It's happening all the time in Russia and Ukraine, and it's just a matter of time before it happens. It's very, very easy to do. Yeah, I don't know how a person is going to survive over there in the winter without some kind of a heat source. I mean, natural gas, I don't know. Wire? Yeah, well, it'll be like the very first story in my book about what happened in Bosnia in 1990s.

uh this was a civil society it turned into a bunch of animals they for one year these people starved uh the worst of people came out and people say oh this is america it can't happen here america is full of people people are people and it will happen here maybe worse than it happens over there uh the movies seem to give us all of the uh weird things to think about and And I think people will employ that stuff. So I have stories. Just like what happened in 2020, you know. We saw, you know, the ability of, you know, people who will follow orders that they shouldn't be following, you know, the lack of judgment, the ignorance, the gas lighting that was happening and all the rest of this stuff.

I mean, you know, it was, it was insane. I mean, we're just doing it all to ourselves. There's absolutely no reason for any of it. It was total OCD. I have to. I have to say. I said this once before, I think, in your show, my mother-in-law, we got her out of Africa, got her here.

She's been here for seven years now. We got her her citizenship, and I have to say this. She had both of her legs amputated because she had all the COVID shots. Nobody could figure out all the vascular surgeons. Nobody would say. They knew what it was. The closest they'd get was auto-uneration. immune deficiency.

She had so many cloths. They had to remove her first, her foot, toes, foot, leg up to mid thigh. Other leg came off up to her hip. She's in a wheelchair now. And I have to say this, Trump was good enough to have the immigration service. When she got eligible, they swore her in and the old folks home. They had a couple of the immigration people come there. And that was very touching.

We had a big ceremony, and they videotaped it and everything. It was a good thing, but unfortunately, her citizenship swearing in came after she lost her legs. Now, they thought they were going to have to take her right arm off. That hasn't happened yet, but she's been in a hospital in and out. One of the doctors finally whispered it's a reaction to the COVID vaccine. So I urge people. And they're afraid to say that. That's right.

Yeah. Measles used to take care of itself, didn't it? David? That's right. Yeah. Yeah, they're freaking out about the measles stuff. They really want to bring that back against us. I mean, I'm seeing all this media freak out about it.

It's like, you're not even saying anybody died, but look at how they're freaking out about this. But it is a blowback because people understand how they were deceived and lied to throughout this whole COVID thing. Well, it's very important that people prepare. We live in a very, very dangerous time. it's getting rapidly more dangerous. And there's some things that you can do and should be able to do to prepare for that. And Jack Lawson has one of the best guides out there,

if not the best guide that is out there. Jack Lawson Books.com, Civil Defense Manual. Thank you, Jack, for joining us. Have a good day. Thank you, David. And Merry Christmas. Yes, and Merry Christmas to you. And to all of you, a good weekend.

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