The David Knight Show - Mon Episode #1993: April 19th: The Day Tyranny Clashed with Liberty—From 1775 to OKC Bombing Dark Secrets

Starting point is 00:00:00 The In a world of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. It's The David Knight Show. As the clock strikes 13, it's Monday the 21st of April, year of our Lord 2025. Well today we're going to take a look at even more legal insanity. This one surprised even me. Did you realize that our legal system supports punishing people for crimes that they were found innocent of? The Supreme Court says, well we need to have some reform of this, but let's set up some guidelines.

Starting point is 00:01:09 Maybe we could start doing something about that. When I saw Ross Ulbrich's political conviction, I was just... and I've seen this over and over again, the rigged courts and everything, but it's actually ingrained in the system. Civil asset forfeiture has extended far beyond the drug war. This cancer is metastasizing to everything. We have an amazing story about that. So it's not just the Alien and Sedition Act. It's not just the accusations about this guy being MS-13 that, oh, and by the way, we have

Starting point is 00:01:43 a very interesting picture from Donald Trump and a very interesting narrative about that as well We'll take a look at the tattoos We'll be right back stay with us We're also going to take a look at this last weekend. As a matter of fact, let's begin with that instead of the news. I was going to begin with the news, but let's talk about what happened over the weekend. And of course, Christ's resurrection was celebrated by many Christians, and yet on Friday we had the 250th anniversary of Paul Revere's ride, meaning that on Saturday we had the 250th anniversary of Concord and Lexington where the British went to collect the firearms and kicked off the Revolutionary

Starting point is 00:02:42 War. And of course, April the 19th, which is Saturday, has been a day that has lived in many different types of infamy. It wasn't just the British going to Concord and Lexington to take their ammunition, their rifles, and their cannons. Santa Ana went for the cannons as well at Goliad and Now we saw what he did at uh, well, we didn't see it But we we know what he did at the Alamo and that type of thing. But yeah, I was going after the cannons

Starting point is 00:03:16 As a matter of fact the come and take it flag, you know people have replaced that come and take it The original flag was a cannon. I Think that needs to stay there. It's cool to put some kind of an AR on the silhouette on the flag, but it's better to remind people that even cannons were our right to protect ourselves from tyranny. But we had the British going for the guns and the cannons on April the 19th that conquered in Lexington. We later had during World War II we had the Nazis burning down the Warsaw ghetto that had been in rebellion because and they tied down significant military resources of

Starting point is 00:03:58 the Nazis. A rebellion that began when some unarmed people got a pistol, then used a pistol to get some other firearms and some other firearms and some other firearms. And before you know it, they had, you know, they set up a siege and they got tired of waiting and so on April the 19th, they burned the ghetto down. And then we had the similar thing happen at Waco. They got tired of waiting. They also came for the guns. And they also burned it down, killing men, women and children at Waco. And I guess many people thought at the time, I certainly did, is this

Starting point is 00:04:39 date chosen? You know, they were there for a couple of months. And did they choose that date because they wanted to send an anti-Concord and Lexington message? Yeah, we will come for the guns, you know, as we've seen now politicians boasting about that within about, what was it, 20 years or so. After that you had politicians like Eric Swalwell and Joe Biden and Beto O'Rourke saying, yeah, those firearms, we've got big military, we'll come and take them. Yeah, like the British. That's who they identify with, the British.

Starting point is 00:05:15 And many of us believe that the FBI and the ATF were sending a message on April the 19th at Waco when they killed all those civilians including the children. And of course as we're seeing now with this narrative about the guy that was deported, they're bringing in all, they brought in all kinds of side issues for character assassination. We were told that David Koresh and the people that were there were marrying underage girls and so forth. And whether or not that was true, that was obviously designed as character assassination because that's not the brief of the ATF. They're not there to adjudicate that type of stuff.

Starting point is 00:05:58 And so it was clear that that was a red herring, a character assassination. And then after what happened at Waco with the Branch Davidians, on April the 19th there was the Oklahoma City bombing. And that was essentially because everybody saw what had happened with Ruby Ridge and with Waco. A government that was out of control, a government that was, had no controlling legal authority here as Al Gore had said on another occasion about something else, but clearly that was the case there. So it really was the Oklahoma City bombing.

Starting point is 00:06:42 That was when they burned opposition to the ground. At that point everybody, ooh, I'm not going to talk anymore about Waco or about Ruby Ridge because I don't want to be associated with those people who bombed the Oklahoma City, you know, the Murr Building there in Oklahoma City, federal building, on the anniversary of it. And yet when we go back and we look at that, I always believe that that was a false flag. The New American at the time had a great article from a guy who was a retired general. His specialty was munitions and explosives.

Starting point is 00:07:16 And he said, if you look at the blast pattern there, he says it goes across the front of the building. It's not the blast pattern that you would have from a point source if it was a car bomb. And of course, Hoppe Heidelberg was dismissed from the grand jury famously. Started his own citizens grand jury because they were lying about what was happening there. We've had a follow-up with this, and this is, we're getting more documents even now from the Oklahoma City bombing. And we find that John Ashcroft, who was the Attorney General under George W. Bush, had

Starting point is 00:07:56 previously been involved with the cover-up of the Oklahoma City bombing. And this is Jesse Trinadue who said, as I've always said, the only difference between the KGB and the FBI is that the KGB has never claimed to be a legitimate law enforcement agency, said Jesse Trinadue. And this is a story that was on Zero Hedge. And Jesse Trinadue is a lawyer. And his brother, Kenneth Trinadue, died under mysterious circumstances. If you go to his website, kennethtrinadue.com, as Zero Hedge has basically his rationale for doing this. He said, Jesse is the brother of Kenneth Michael Trinadue, who died August 1995 while incarcerated at the Federal Transfer Center in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma.

Starting point is 00:08:52 Following the death, the Department of Justice immediately deemed it a suicide, denied the medical examiner access to the cell where Kenneth Trinadue was killed, ordered the cell cleaned and painted, and repeatedly asked both the Medical Examiner and Kenneth Trinadue's family to authorize the cremation of his body. The Medical Examiner could not legally authorize cremation and the family refused, demanding that Kenneth's body be returned to them. When Trinadu's body was returned to the family, they removed heavy makeup and discovered bruises all over his body, from

Starting point is 00:09:32 his head to his foot. The bruises, the cuts and other wounds depicted an obvious beating and murder." Not the first time, or the last time, unfortunately, that we've heard of people for political reasons in prison being beaten by guards. This happened during January the 6th. It happened for the people who were imprisoned after the Bundy Ranch situation and many, many others. So John Ashcroft was at the heart of this high profile cover-up, says Zero Hedge, and they're right, of the Oklahoma City bombing, according to Jesse Trinadue. And he was the attorney to Terry Nichols, who was listed as the accomplice in the bombing.

Starting point is 00:10:29 Nichols attempted to spark an investigation into the FBI involvement of the Oklahoma City bombing. He sent a letter stating that he could provide such information to the then head of the Department of Justice, John Ashcroft. But Ashcroft did not respond to the letter. Instead he immediately forbade the media from speaking to Nichols, which resulted in 60 minutes, canceling a sit-down interview they had scheduled with Nichols, says Trinidad. CBS, the champions of free speech.

Starting point is 00:11:03 You know, Robert Murrow, whatever, what's the first name of? Edward R. Murrow, yeah. That I'm not saying that he wasn't a man of integrity, but CBS has used his reputation as that and of course you've got a play now, George Clooney playing Edward R. Murrow in the play. I mean, they've lionized him. I'm not saying that it's not. I haven't basically looked into his background, but I would be willing to go with that and say that, yeah, he was a man of integrity.

Starting point is 00:11:39 I have no reason at this point to say otherwise. As I said, I've not looked into his background. But he is of mythic proportion to journalism. And CBS has hung their reputation on him. And 60 minutes, and they'll go wherever or anything, but not anymore. This is not even a situation, folks, of Pfizer. This is something that the government pulled off. That's why they don't want him talking to it.

Starting point is 00:12:11 And look at the courage of CBS as soon as John Ashcroft said, no interviews. Well, okay, we'll drop the interview. Shortly thereafter, Nichols said that he received a visit from a man presenting an offer from the Department of Justice to undo Nichols said that he received a visit from a man presenting an offer from the Department of Justice to undo Nichols' death sentence if he agreed to three conditions. The first condition is the most amazing. Take ownership of an anonymous warning that the Department of Justice received saying the Murrow building was bombed 30 minutes before it actually had been bombed.

Starting point is 00:12:46 Did you heard of that? Frankly, I had not heard of it. Number two, to implicate his own brother in the bombing plot. Number three, to reveal the location of the kinistic, kinistic, an explosive that was used in the bombing. Nichols mentioned having knowledge of an unused stash in his letter to Ashcroft. The existence of a remaining stash was not known at the time. So that would be understandable. He didn't want to throw his brother under the bus, so he didn't take the deal. But he had nothing to do with this anonymous warning. So who did? The existence of the mysterious call was independently corroborated

Starting point is 00:13:33 by Stephen Jones' book, Others Unknown. It was even covered by ABC News, 2020 reports on how someone called the executive secretariat in D.C. about a half hour before the Oklahoma City bombing and said, quote, the Murrow building has been bombed. A half hour before. Let's see, did we have something like that? Oh yeah, 9-1111 we had the BBC. About a half hour, actually I think it's 20 minutes, before building seven collapsed. Building seven that had not been hit by a plane.

Starting point is 00:14:13 And the BBC reporter announced that it had collapsed and the building could be seen over their shoulder, still standing. It was discovered that the DOJ proxy, Michael Selby, who visited Nichols, previously worked in Ashcroft's private security detail. He's sending his own Praetorian Guard to talk to this guy. This is not an official DOJ person. He sends his own guy that had been part of his personal bodyguard detail. He sent that guy to deliver these three conditions. And again, the first condition was to take ownership of this anonymous message that was out there somehow, which really shows that this was a setup by them.

Starting point is 00:15:09 Anyway, he said, trying to help to further collaborate this by the meeting took place. He told Zero Hedge, he said, after the declaration was filed, Selby called me and he was upset as hell, he said. This is the guy, Michael Selby, who was the bodyguard for John Ashcroft that brought that in. He said Selby told him that I just got him effing killed. The attorney who brought Selby in to meet Nichols is Rodney Uphoff, a law professor at the University of Missouri. I called Uphoff and he confirmed the event.

Starting point is 00:15:51 So this is the attorney who accompanied the personal bodyguard of John Ashcroft who came in with these terms and said, �Let�s cover up the fact that somebody warned this half hour beforehand.� It is strange that such an offer, giving leniency to the accomplice of one of the most horrific domestic terrorist attacks in U.S. history, would be presented by someone who does not work at the Department of Justice. And that they would stipulate that Nichols take credit for the anonymous Nichol singular, take credit for the anonymous tip which he did not make.

Starting point is 00:16:28 He ultimately did not accept the deal because he did not want to throw his brother under the bus. To see the full spectrum of official documents that Jesse Trinadue has fought hard to force the government to release. You can go to his website that he's done in memory of his brother, who he believes was murdered by the FBI. KennethTrinidou.com. As for Ashcroft, after retiring, he started a private lobbying firm that quickly secured

Starting point is 00:17:02 the Israeli government as its first client. Well going back to the ride of Paul Revere, the 250th anniversary on Friday, Boston was celebrating it. It is strange to see the mile markers of our freedom being celebrated in Communist Massachusetts, isn't it? But I'm sure that most of the people that were there, not necessarily even residents there, they'd probably come to town to celebrate it from other places. Crowds gathered in Boston on Friday for the 250th anniversary of Paul Revere's Midnight Ride.

Starting point is 00:17:39 And I guess, you know, we look at Massachusetts, I would imagine most of these people today would be on the side of the British. They have pretty much declared they are. The Old North illuminated executive director, the Old North church that was lit up, said a lot of folks think the lantern signal was to Paul Revere, but it's actually from Paul Revere. So he passes the word to a friend, he quietly makes his way to the water, he gets to the rowboat where he rows across to the Charleston, picks up a horse at the

Starting point is 00:18:10 Deacon Larkin House and then he's off on his ride. And so they talk about his ride, there's actually been some articles speculating, well where did he get the information that the British were moving? And apparently the wife of the British, the British general, was one who had turned that information over to them, to the Massachusetts Committee of Safety. And so that's interesting, because safety is always antithetical to liberty, isn't it? Especially in this situation. A Committee of Safety. That would be one way to get them off of your back. Oh, we're all just about safety. We're not about liberty, actually. So they used him as the rider to carry this stuff. They talked about the detail of his ride. He reproduced it late at night.

Starting point is 00:18:57 And the people cheering him is all kinds of news reporters by the late. I mean, most of these reenactments are kind of pathetic, you know, because they're not people who are fit in the prime of life, let's say, and it's not a life and death urgency to it. So, you know, I've been to a lot of historical reenactments and always seem to be a disappointment. Anyway, they rode him across the water where he borrowed a horse and he went on to warn people as we all know. He nearly missed being captured in Trollson, changed his route to go through Medford where

Starting point is 00:19:32 he warned of the British movements. He eventually arrived at Lexington after midnight. The reenactments of the Battle of Lexington and Concord then happened on Saturday, the 250th anniversary of that, of course. The poem helped to immortalize Paul Revere in a country that is mostly ignorant of its history, probably now ignorant of Longfellow's poem as well. It was written in 1860, published in 1861.

Starting point is 00:20:03 And the shot heard around the world world how liberty's first warriors lit the fire of freedom. This is from the New American. And it is important for us to look at the basis of this. And again, whenever we look at a war, we need to ask ourselves, was it justified? Who was the aggressor here? What was the reason? And in my opinion, the American Revolution was fully justified.

Starting point is 00:20:30 People defending their homes, defending their liberties, and even defending the rule of law. The rebels were not the Americans. The rebel was the king who had revolted against the Magna Carta, and he had become an absolute dictator. He had a lot of allies, rather the Americans had a lot of allies within Parliament. He had people like William Pitt, who later became very, actually there's a couple of Pits that were Prime Minister, the younger one, was one of the oldest cities in North Carolina was Pittsboro, named after him. And the county was named after him as well. He became Lord

Starting point is 00:21:14 Chatham and they called it Chatham County. One of the oldest cities there, you know, you look at Charleston, they would always call it the Queen City. I thought, why is that called the Queen City? Well, it was Charlotte was the wife of George III and she was from Germany. She was Charlotte of Mecklenburg and their Mecklenburg County is the county that the city of Charlotte is in. So they would do stuff like that. Those, you know, North Carolina goes back to colonial times. Excuse me, I have a cough today. Anyway, the Americans had a lot of allies within the British Parliament. And of course, William Pitt was one of them. And in his History of the English-Speaking People, Winston Churchill said the American

Starting point is 00:22:10 Revolution liberated the UK from an absolute monarchy and helped to strengthen Parliament's hand against the King. But this is an excellent article from the New American. At first light, April 19, 1775, the soft soil of a village green in Lexington, Massachusetts was soaked in the blood of farmers, fathers, and freemen. These men, ordinary in station but extraordinary in spirit, stood shoulder to shoulder not to revolt but to defend what was already theirs. The right to govern themselves, to keep what they had earned and not to live without the yoke of distant despotism.

Starting point is 00:22:55 You know, when we look at this, there's much that we could learn about just wars in today's environment. Do you have a right to defend your own home against people who would take it from you? Well, yes, you do. One man's freedom fighter is by the aggressors called a terrorist in many cases. Of course, there are other terrorists who are aggressive as well. But he says that these were not rebels. These were resolute citizens who believed, as John Adams said Adams said that quote, liberty must at all hazards be supported. As I said, it was the king who had rebelled against the Magna Carta.

Starting point is 00:23:33 General Thomas Gage had ordered his men to march to conquer the salt to seize and to destroy colonial munitions, cannons. This act, the audacious infringement was not merely an affront to private property, it was a direct assault on the right to keep and bear arms, a right the colonists understood, not as a privilege doled out by Parliament, but as a God-given guarantee essential to the preservation of liberty." That's why I say I think that Waco as well as the Oklahoma City, were a shot from our government in the other direction.

Starting point is 00:24:08 No man knows who fired the first shot. Some say it was accidental, others say it was intentional. What is certain is that within minutes, eight Americans lay dead and ten more wounded, and none of them had fired a single shot in return. You know, we go back and we look at the Spirit of Liberty in America. Look at what happened five years ago when we put on masks. We went through every absurd ritual that they demanded. This is a picture of a couple of nurses with face shields and face masks underneath the plastic face shields, holding up a sign at a window, presumably to someone who's just had a relative who

Starting point is 00:24:57 died on the inside, saying, �He is at peace, and we are so sorry.� Are you really? Are you really? One of them is making the heart sign with the two are so sorry. Are you really? Are you really? One of them is making the heart sign with the two hands, right? Are you really? This is a picture of our willing subjugation. The spirit of 1776, folks, is dead and has been stabbed in the back by the people who walk around shouting about 1776 like Alex Jones it's just disgusting to see what happened five years ago the passive compliance and I've said many times the American Revolution may have been the shot that was heard around the world. That kicked off a lot of different revolutions, people thinking, well, again, it was a fourth turning.

Starting point is 00:25:52 And so a lot of people rethinking their relationship with government and the purpose of government. Should it be there to secure our liberties that God gave us? Or is it there just to arbitrarily rule over us? And we're at that kind of a junction point again, aren't we? And at the beginning of this fourth turning, things didn't look too good. So these people were not soldiers in the European sense. They wore no uniforms. They received no pay. They had no ambition for conquest. They were farmers, blacksmiths, school teachers, shopkeepers. They were also men who had read their Bible and their blackstone

Starting point is 00:26:30 – legal commentaries – and who had been taught that tyranny, whether by king or by Congress, was to be resisted with all vigor and virtue. As British forces marched toward their objective, a storm was brewing behind them. The countryside had awakened. The alarm had reached the farm's fields and villages. Militiamen, Minutemen, were pouring toward Concord like streams feeding a mighty river. As at the North Bridge, colonial militia assembled. Major John Buttrick, when the British fired first, cried, Fire, fellow soldiers, for God's sake, fire. And it was here that the British were first turned back.

Starting point is 00:27:13 It was here that the myth of red coat invincibility was shattered. It was here that the cause of American independence found its first triumph. As the British began their retreat, the countryside erupted into righteous fury. Every rock, wall and tree became a redoubt. The colonists harassed the retreating soldiers with relentless disciplined fury, an organic,

Starting point is 00:27:39 spontaneous outpouring of resistance that no British general had anticipated. Let's talk about that in the modern context. Where did this fury come from? It came from a sense of injustice. And how did it manifest itself? Famously in asymmetric warfare. I remember comedians as a child, Bill Cosby had a funny routine about that, you know, a coin toss and the British lose and so they got to wear coats, red coats and march in a straight line

Starting point is 00:28:14 and the cops are able to fire behind every rock and tree and that type of thing. But it's called asymmetric warfare. Asymmetric warfare. We haven't learned, have we, about injustice, unjust wars, and we haven't learned about asymmetric warfare, have we? Because the American Empire keeps getting defeated because we keep taking the role of the British and we've got people ruling us like Biden, like these Democrats who say, well, we've got an army, we'll take the gun. That's the attitude that they have towards other countries and that's the attitude they have towards us. That tyranny has now manifest itself into an American empire that is continually losing wars that are unjust and they're defeated by asymmetric warfare. So arms in the hands of a people were not merely tools of defense but symbols of sovereignty.

Starting point is 00:29:17 The British march unconquered was not about crime control. It was not about keeping the peace. It was a strategic move to disarm a population known to cherish its freedom more than its comfort." And of course, we saw that same type of thing happening with Santa Ana. When he became president of Mexico, this is not just simply a, well, we got a bunch of settlers from the US going into Mexican territory and they want independence, they want to steal this land from the Mexicans. That was not what it was about. Santa Ana was a known despot.

Starting point is 00:29:50 He had been ruthless with people before he became the leader of Mexico. And when he became leader, there were three states besides Texas that went into open revolt. There were five regions that went into open revolt. The only one that he was unable to put down was the one in Texas, and largely because of his ruthless, take-no-prisoners attitudes at the Alamo and at Goliad. And because of that attitude, people was like, well, it's do or die. We're going to defeat this guy, he's going to wind up killing us. We're not going to live under that type of regime. The Minutemen of 1775 writes, the New American understood something we must reclaim. Self-government

Starting point is 00:30:37 begins with self-defense. The people that is incapable of defending their homes are people that are already conquered in spirit. Conquered in spirit. Look at this picture again. If that isn't conquered in spirit, what is? If they can mask you up, and what do we do? We cheer for the guy who did that. We cheer for the guy who ran that, who paid people to do this. Trump. Trump.

Starting point is 00:31:05 Trump. He is our hero. He better off cheering the madness of King George. He was not crazy enough to do something like that. The people incapable of defending their homes is the people that has already conquered in spirit. The natural right to keep and bear arms as a cornerstone of all other rights. We owe them more than remembrance, we owe them emulation," says the New American.

Starting point is 00:31:34 The shot heard around the world still echoes. And to me and to you, the shot sent around the world, killing tens of millions of people, and destroying the health and long-term murder of who knows how many others. That was the shot sent around the world was Trump's mRNA. The father of the vaccine is our hero. If this isn't a judgment from God to our society, what is? It's just amazing. The question is, do we hear the shot that went around the world? Is 2020 echoing in your ears as it is in mine. Not what happened 250 years ago, what happened five years ago. If it does, what will we do in reply? Let us answer as they did, not with hesitation, not with fear, but with conviction born of principle and courage born of duty. That kind

Starting point is 00:32:42 of cowardly compliance, that kind of excuse-making for President Trump, then and now. I will never be a part of that. I hope you won't either. Just, you know, the mask and all the rest of the lunacy and the rituals of subservience to authority figures, any authority. Well, are you going to tell them that they can do this? Well, then I'm going to tell them they can't do that either. That was the person who was head of the North Carolina Department of Public Health who later became head of, I forget what it was, FDA or something like that. Anyway, well, there was another revolution. So Friday, 250th anniversary of

Starting point is 00:33:29 the Ball Reveers ride. Saturday, 250th anniversary of Concord and Lexington. And then yesterday, we marked, I don't know, 2000 whatever, we don't know the exact date, a lot of people have ideas. We marked the biggest revolution in humanity ever, and that is the resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ. That is where our hope is. Our hope is not in government. Our hope is not in the Constitution.

Starting point is 00:33:59 Our hope is not in strength of arms. Our hope is in the resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ." And there's an interesting article that was on Exposé News out of the UK. It's from a substack from David Thunder, who says, you know, Christianity was and still is the greatest revolution the world has ever seen. And so people have it, a lot of different things. It was based, it was steeped in Passover, of course. And then you have the Catholic Church, the Orthodox Church, they've got different dates

Starting point is 00:34:36 for Easter themselves, and they call it Easter, not Passover. So there's different ways that it's remembered, and I'm not gonna get into the wars back and forth. I think it's important first to remember the fundamental issue and not get hung up on one day or the other, one name or the other, one tradition or the other. And keep it focused on the main thing because there's enough stuff to fight over without getting down and giving each other black eyes over details like that.

Starting point is 00:35:06 One person holds one day more esteem than another, and other people look at every day the same. I just say that we commemorate the Lord Jesus Christ and His resurrection. So how did a man who was put to death as a common criminal change the course of human history, asks David Thunder. He says if we step back from the world that we've grown accustomed to, if we try to project ourselves into the pre-Christian pagan world that was dominated by Rome, it's far from evident that the son of a Jewish carpenter who ended up tortured on a cross as a common criminal could spearhead a movement that would radically alter the course of history and

Starting point is 00:35:45 infuse societies across the world with a new language and a rather unusual and, dare I say, unnatural set of values. And by that what he means is that it is unnatural to any of the philosophy that existed at the time. It's unnatural to human philosophy as well in the sense of self-preservation. He says, I say unnatural not in the sense that Christian values are inconsistent with human nature in its most elevated state, but in the sense that the sort of poverty, self-abnegation, and self-abasement that Jesus is preaching involves a denial of the all-too-human desire

Starting point is 00:36:23 to avoid pain and discomfort. All we want today in America is comfort, isn't it? Comfort. We want our kids to go to the best schools so they can live comfortable lives and they can help us to be comfortable. Everything is about comfort. We'll do anything for comfort, for money, that type of thing. And this is a very uncomfortable thing that people were called to. Why did they leave what they were doing and trying to get to a comfortable life and do this? The idea of modeling your life on that of a man whose life on this earth was extinguished

Starting point is 00:37:03 in the most humiliating and cruel manner. It was designed by the Romans as a real deterrent, right? We talk about excruciating pain. That comes from crucifixion. They had designed it to be incredibly painful. So why would you pattern your life after somebody who ended up that way? And it seems unthinkable, he says, though that suffering was dignified and ennobled by the idea that it was an act of love toward God and humanity, no serious or widely revered

Starting point is 00:37:37 pagan philosopher would have advocated voluntarily embracing the cross of suffering for one's own redemption and for that of whole of humanity. If anyone wishes to come after me, said Jesus, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me." Well, he says there's a little bit of an echo there from Stoicism, right, where you deny yourself as well as Aristotle's idea of disciplining the passions in accordance with reason. But neither the Stoics nor the Aristotelians promised their philosophies, or based their philosophies on universal love of humanity. And they would never consider the possibility

Starting point is 00:38:19 of voluntary martyrism or death to self. As a matter of fact, the reason that the Stoics and Aristotle would give for doing these types of things was to improve yourself in this life, everything on this side of death, and to win fame and a good name and all the rest of this. But this was based on a quest for a higher form of happiness not in this life, but with God and the next. That was completely alien to any of the philosophies. He says, I'm not suggesting Christians can't be happy in this life or that the rewards of their fidelity are confined to the next life, but the type of joy that Christians profess to seek, a joy amidst even the most grueling forms of suffering, is beyond the grasp of the human mind, and it is unassisted, that is unassisted by faith. It is literally a sign of contradiction for the pagan mind.

Starting point is 00:39:22 Something similar can be said of Christian values like humility or unconditional love of humanity and forgiveness of love of one's enemies. Pre-Christian societies did not typically envision humanity as a single family under God, but they viewed everybody through the lens of whether they were free or slave or friend or enemy, healthy, sick, male, female, wealthy, poor, rulers, ruled, for example, Greek philosopher Aristotle, considered those who did not have the benefit of Greek culture and education to be barbarians, and they were unfit for freedom and unfit for self-rule. From the perspective of faith, if Jesus was indeed God as he claimed to be, and the movement

Starting point is 00:40:03 that he founded was infused by God's grace, then the explosion of Christian faith in the world might be explained by the miracle of divine intervention in history. For those who do not share this faith, there is something deeply puzzling about the wide diffusion and historical duration of the Christian method and the way of life." That's from David Thunder. And you know when we talk about martyrdom, right? That very word, martyr, was Greek for witness. You know, this is not, to these people, a fairy tale.

Starting point is 00:40:39 We look at their deaths just as J. Warner Wallace has written in his book, Cole Case Christianity, he was skeptical as his wife became a Christian. He came from a family of cops. His dad wasn't a Christian. He wasn't a Christian. And he was skeptical of her Christianity. But he was a Cole Case detective. In other words, he would look at cases where everybody that had been there, all the witnesses were dead. And he said if you evaluate the statements and the actions and the lives of the people who said there were witnesses to this, and there were many witnesses as Paul said, and he said many, many people who had witnessed this in just one instance alone, over 500 people, most of whom were still alive at the time he was writing.

Starting point is 00:41:27 And so when you have people like that who are witnesses, who are martyrs, and when the Roman government demanded that they deny the faith, they were willing to die rather than to deny what they knew or what they strongly believed as a secondhand testimony from somebody who had seen it and had been changed by it. That was one of the most powerful things. It's one of the reasons why this went the way that it did was because the people who had, you know, deathbed confession, oh, that's very, very important. What about a confession that you make, knowing that making that

Starting point is 00:42:05 confession is going to result in your death? And so, to that extent now, that term martyr has been hijacked for anybody who dies for a religious cause, even if as a Muslim they decide that they are going to do murder-suicide. They're still given that name. Well, they're a witness to something else entirely at that point, aren't they? We're going to take a quick break. We'll be right back. Oh You're listening to The David Knight Show. The common man. They created common core to dumb down our children. They created Common Pass to track and control us.

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Starting point is 00:44:45 TheDavidNightShow.com Well, welcome back on Rumble. North American House Hippo, thank you very much for the tip. He says, �Good morning everyone. Today is the first day of the rest of Frank�s life.� I said, �Travis, did you get that reference?� And he said, �I think it�s about Pope Francis.� And, you know, again, when we look at traditional Catholics, consider the seat to be empty. You know, the whole question, is the Pope Catholic? That's

Starting point is 00:45:37 an open question. Well, actually, it's a subtle question for a lot of people, for Francis, for Bergoglio, or whatever they call him. And anyway, it's not rhetorical. As he says, as Rowan Atkinson playing the devil, Toby, said, eternity is a very long time indeed. Well, it is up to God to judge, but I tell you, I just, you know, when – this is a good example, you know when this is a good example You know is an example the reason that traditional Catholics rejected him was he because he rejected traditional Catholicism I mean he wasn't even concerned with Catholicism. He's concerned with politics and the guy was a hardcore Marxist

Starting point is 00:46:18 absolutely was Rumble SV cat. Thank you very much for the tip He references my tie and calls it magnetic pink, I guess. That's what it is. And on Rumble, T Norman Artis said the TV told people what to do and a majority complied and turned on the rest like zombies. Isn't it amazing how effective the mind control of that stuff is? What was it that was driving the people in America?

Starting point is 00:46:48 Well, it was things like the Bible. They were literate. They read. They read things like Thomas Paine's Common Sense and other things like that. And they had a grounded philosophy, whereas we are being led by the nose with just one silly thing after the other, one distraction after the other. On Rumble, Atomic Dog says, Anthony Fauci announced in March 2020 that masks didn't work but they realized they could be used as a sign of capitulation to government abuse.

Starting point is 00:47:18 I absolutely agree. Simon says, do the Fauci says. I think it also was a hallmark of training. You know, we've been told for the longest time, your vaccine doesn't protect you, it protects other people. It's like, well, that's nonsense according to their own theory. As I've said many times, if you're going to make up an imaginary world to live in, one of the things that I hate about movies is they make an imaginary constructed world,

Starting point is 00:47:48 you know, superheroes or science fiction or something like that, and then they're inconsistent with those rules. So if you're going to make up your COVID stuff, you need to at least be consistent with the rules. And that was absolute nonsense. But for the longest time they told everybody, your vaccine doesn't protect you. It protects other people. So everybody's got to get the shot. You know, we would say, well, if vaccine doesn't protect you, it protects other people. So everybody's got to get the shot.

Starting point is 00:48:06 You know, we would say, well, if you think it protects you, go ahead and get the shot and then you're fine. Oh no, no, it doesn't protect me if you don't get yours. It's like, what utter nonsense that is. But it was necessary for them to put that out to more people and that's really a large part of what I think the mask was about because they sold that same thing. The mask was also a sign of submission and compliance to arbitrary authority, but it was also mental preparation for the vaccine that was coming. You got to get it.

Starting point is 00:48:38 Because the mask isn't going to protect you unless everybody wears their mask. The vaccine is not going to protect you unless everybody wears their mask. It's just nonsense. Yeah, public health. Well, let's talk a little bit about news and let's shift gears over to cars here. Subaru is bringing back physical knobs and buttons in its cars. Yay! Tactile.

Starting point is 00:49:02 And I've said this from the very beginning. Everybody went to touch panels and iPads that were glued to the dashboard because Tesla was doing it. It was the latest thing. And I said when Tesla did it, I said it makes no sense when you do that. Even Tesla went to the nth degree with it. At the time, when I would travel and I would rent cars and stuff, they were mixed. Some of them had some touch panels, but then they were usually, the controls were usually

Starting point is 00:49:36 augmented with tactile controls that you could use. Because when I would drive those things, and I'm trying to, you know, do something on the touch panel while I'm driving, first of all, you're looking down. It's all the stuff that they talk about in terms of using a cell phone while you're driving, except much, much, much worse. It's even harder. You know, I've got to do this or I've got to do that. I've got to try to, you know, the car's bouncing around.

Starting point is 00:50:00 I'm staring at it instead of the road. It was awful and yet the same people that would give you a ticket if you're doing that with a cell phone or an iPad as you're driving. Oh it's just fine if it's glued to the dashboard by the auto manufacturer and it's integrated into basic functions and they really did integrate it into everything with a Tesla. Even the extent of changing the air vents, you can't change the direction or the strength of the air coming out of the dashboard unless you use that pad. And so it was really pretty crazy that they're handing out tickets

Starting point is 00:50:39 to people saying, well, you've got to be able to do this hands-free. Well, if you've got a knob, you can adjust the knobs without taking your eyes off the road You can do it by touch if you know the car you can do it to the relief for practically anybody who drives a car regularly Japanese car maker Subaru has brought back physical buttons and knobs for its 2026 out back mid-sized SUV is yet another sign the car makers are finally starting to listen and ditching massive touch screens that have taken over vast numbers of vehicle controls in favor of tactile button switches and knobs. And it's very touching to see that they're

Starting point is 00:51:21 doing that, isn't it? Anyway, the Tesla in particular has garnered a reputation for burying core functions and confusing touch screen interfaces, including on screen buttons for turning on the indicators, turn signals. We had some friends from Britain, and that was one thing that would really be riding in the car with them and somebody would not use their turn signal, we'd call it. He goes, you indicate it mate, you indicate it. So here this person is talking about the indicator. Again, I haven't seen that for a while.

Starting point is 00:52:02 And even for opening the glove compartment, you've got to use a touch screen. And a lot of times these things are nested, right? Functions down inside another function. But again, as I said, even if you want to change the direction or the strength of the air coming out of the dashboard, you've got to use a touch screen for that. Even Tesla seems to be listening, returning to physical indicator stocks for its latest Model Y. But is the door still under software control?

Starting point is 00:52:33 That's the key, right? That's what's resulted in the death of some people. Consumers have been shouting from the rooftops for years. Not only are touch screens annoying to use, but experts have warned that could be dangerous as well. Really? Distracting drivers? You mean?

Starting point is 00:52:58 This is great. Someone wrote on Reddit, everyone in the industry tried to copy Tesla and eliminate all knobs and switches. Finally, some sense prevails. I might have to trade in my 2024 for this, said another. I hate the touch screen. Subaru isn't the only auto manufacturer rethinking this trend. In November, South Korean carmaker Hyundai said it was similarly backing away from overlying

Starting point is 00:53:22 on screens earlier this year. German carmaker Volkswagen also announced that it would bring back physical buttons for the five most important functions in all of its vehicles starting next year. Can we bring back engines too? Instead of batteries and motors can we have our engines back? Eric Peters has an interesting article on his site, ericpetersautos.com. They have Eric on frequently. And he was, he did a report about one of the cars. He said, look at this, you know, every instrument on there was all electronic, a long electronic

Starting point is 00:53:59 panel going across the dashboard. And he said, there's nothing bad about this, necessarily. He said, he thought it was interesting. He said that this was the trend and direction that people were going. Whereas he said, on the luxury cars, they're going in the opposite direction. They're going back to dashboards that were designed to have analog dials and, you know, things like that. And he said, it was the other way around a few years ago few years ago so the first time I saw one of these dashboards that went all the way

Starting point is 00:54:27 across it was all touch screens and everything and electronic displays was on a Mercedes that he'd tie in Mercedes and he goes now the high-end cars are going back to the other side you know because it's about whatever is in vogue that's a large reason there wasn't anybody that was an engineer in terms of human factors or interfaces or anything that would say, hey, we need to go with a touch screen or an iPad that's glued to the dashboard. That was done to set a new trend.

Starting point is 00:55:01 And then when Tesla did it and everybody wanted to imitate Tesla, everybody else started doing it. But again again it's one of these deals like wearing a mask on your face right it's like a herd mentality that everybody started designing them that way now they're going to go back because it's common we're going to do something different speaking of Eric Peters he has an interesting article which I thought was really funny. The 2025 Tesla Aztec, remember the Aztec?

Starting point is 00:55:32 Pull that up, Travis, and show them the picture of that article. And when you look at the Cybertruck next to that really, really ugly GM Aztec and of course it was so stupidly ugly and iconic that they gave it to Walter White to drive in Breaking Bad you know the chemistry professor but it does bear striking resemblance doesn't it from that angle it's it's pretty amazing and what Eric Peters says he says about 20 years ago Pontiac made the same mistake Ford made about 40 years before that When it confused different with ugly

Starting point is 00:56:11 The interesting thing is that neither the Edsel Ford's ugly duckling nor the Aztec which was Pontiac's were bad vehicles unlike Tesla's Aztec Edsel the Cybertruck my sister actually had an Edsel and, you know, it was an ugly car. But it had some interesting functions in it. They were trying to do something really different. It had a speedometer that was a hemisphere that was balanced and as your speed would go up, they had an electromagnet that would turn that hemispheric indicator.

Starting point is 00:56:50 It had gradations on it. And so the needle was stationary. But as you would go faster, it would start to rotate this metal dome that was under glass to show what speed you were going. It had push button transmission in it. I was just a kid but I thought it was fascinating that the weird stuff inside of it and as everybody talks about had a horse collar grill you know, it looked like a horse collar. Unfortunately her edgel was destroyed when a tornado hit our house and removed the back porch and board by board

Starting point is 00:57:27 through it my sister's Edsel in the front of the house first time ever saw safety glass you know and and how you can't it was shattered into a million bits but you still couldn't break through it with that safety laminate in it. Pretty amazing. Anyway, he says the Cybertruck is not just merely ugly, it is ludicrously ugly, to borrow a word from Elon Musk. He loves to use ludicrous. Three tons of glued together stainless steel exterior panels covering up a conventional unibody chassis that holds a battery pack that is larger and heavier than a 1970s VW Beetle

Starting point is 00:58:13 in order to store the electrical energy equivalent of about 17 gallons of gas that weigh only 100 pounds." Yeah, it's not about engineering is it? This is what happens when we have government bureaucrats design cars. Oh and Biden is all in with all of that isn't he? In order to tour, I'm sorry, in order to tout a best case range of 340 miles, far less than the highway driving range of any current V8 powered half-ton truck. And that's if you don't use the Cybertruck's touted 11,000 pound maximum towing capacity, which will drastically reduce its driving range and will, with the use of its touted

Starting point is 00:58:58 ability to accelerate to 60 miles an hour in less than four seconds. Though as long as the full-sized truck is, it is only available with an awkwardly designed six-foot bed, which if used to haul anything heavy will also dramatically reduce how far you can haul anything before you got to stop and wait for at least five times as long as it takes to fully refuel a V8 powered truck in order to just get a partial charge on this one. And that's the only kind of fast charge that you can get. And some, it is largely useless as a truck. Of course it was not designed to be a truck, not functionally anyway, says Eric, just visually

Starting point is 00:59:42 in the middle school scribbler kind of way. The idea was to market something that looked cool to people who think that Teslas are cool. The problem is that was when Elon Musk was cool and he's no longer cool. That is how everything has changed. The climate has not changed except the perception of Elon Musk has changed. The climate has not changed except the perception of Elon Musk has changed. And just remember this because we're going to have tomorrow, Earth Day, is when Elon Musk still has – it's been pretty recent that he reinvented himself as a quote-unquote conservative. He still has this X Prize rolling around and it's been

Starting point is 01:00:27 going, this contest has been going on for a number of years to see who can remove the most CO2 from the atmosphere. Don't do that. The plants need it. It's ridiculous to terraform this earth. And he's got a hundred million dollars that he's going to be handing out to his organization tomorrow for what he used to be. He used to be all about this stuff. A hundred million dollar prize tomorrow. And yet the climate is not changing, but the politics are changing. Eric says, �We're concerned about the climate and we want to do our bit to prevent the change that's going to result in millions of people dying. It's his familiar refrain, but it was all just a pose and now the mask has come

Starting point is 01:01:13 off and Tesla is having trouble selling its devices. That's what he likes to call these things. He said they're devices like your phone, especially the Cybertruck. As I pointed out last week, because of the recall, we finally got the sales figures for how many of these Cybertrucks he sold. And remember, he bragged about the fact that they had a million pre-orders? Well turns out in several years, they've only sold a total of 50,000. And that surfaced when they had the public recall of every single Cybertruck showed that only 50,000 over two years have been sold, over two years. Not anywhere close to a million.

Starting point is 01:01:58 The numbers are so bad that they make the Aztec and the Edsel look like runaway hits in retrospect. I don't know how many they sold, but I'm sure they sold more than 25,000 a year. Tesla no longer accepts Cybertrucks as trade-ins on their other stuff, according to Electrek. As Eric Peters says, it's kind of a playboy for EV people. It's a fan magazine. Many Cybertruck owners reported trying to trade in the truck for a new vehicle. They were told that they don't accept their own vehicle as a trade-in at Tesla.

Starting point is 01:02:36 So other people are saying, well, I'm not going to do it either. As a result, we're seeing, as I reported last week, massive decrease in value, depreciation in value for the Cybertruck. Used Cybertruck prices are down 55% year over year, 13% over just the last three months and 6% in just the last month. It's accelerating. Gradually, then suddenly this is happening. This is catastrophically severe depreciation, says Eric. He says if you buy a new one for $80,000, that's the list price, but a lot of people

Starting point is 01:03:14 are paying more than that once they get the gadgets put on it. He said, so you buy one for $80,000. He says there's not too many people who are willing to sign up for a $40,000 loss over a 12-month period, especially when it's no longer perceived as virtuous to drive one of these devices. Exactly the opposite. China, meanwhile, is threatening huge car shortages and shutdowns in the Trump trade war over the rare earth metals.

Starting point is 01:03:46 Here's another thing we can say on behalf of the Aztec and the Edsel. They didn't need rare earth stuff. They weren't electric vehicles, right? That was a big advantage for the Edsel and the Aztec. So in this fight, and I don't know, I mean it's 145 percent, I saw talk about 245 percent, who knows? Who knows what it really will be and who knows what's going to happen from one hour to the next with Trump on these things. But the response of China has been to match that and then to also throw in these other

Starting point is 01:04:29 areas in terms of rare earth minerals as well as what's going on with the bonds and other things like that. And so Eric Worrell of What's Up With That says, forcing substandard climate friendly appliances on people saves money. Our government, which is now, you know, it was the Biden and the Democrats who, governments and their administrations, who forced EVs on us. And now Trump is pushing this to make it impossible for people to get the EVs. Looks to me like a one-two punch for the cars. But this is what happens when the government decides

Starting point is 01:05:14 that it's going to mandate what you can buy instead of letting the free market and competition do it. And so this person is talking about appliances, which again, Biden was all about dictating. Freedom to choose is bad. You know, what about free choice? Oh yeah, choice, that only matters when we're talking about killing your child. We're all pro-choice when it comes to killing babies. Not when it comes to appliances or cars or anything else in life, including how you want to educate that child if you didn't kill that child. Professor Emeritus of Business Ethics and Political Science at the University of California,

Starting point is 01:05:52 Berkeley. Wade in on this. His name is David Vogel. And stop and think about the ethics of business and political science when you dictate to people what they are going to be able to buy and what they're not going to be able to buy it's kind of like the ethics of some of these other professors who Talk about how well, you know since we're going to say that if you

Starting point is 01:06:18 we're going to define life as a people who are at a certain stage of development Or people have a certain quality of life for whatever well then we might wind up killing toddlers because they just don't know that much and so we've seen ethicists like Singer and others propose that. Well this guy is fortunately leaving this just to appliances as if it is some kind of an ethical choice that you have to make in terms of appliances and that it's somehow ethical for politicians to

Starting point is 01:06:53 be able to set this. So Trump has said he wants to reverse decades of regulations about energy efficiency and American household appliances claiming that doing so will provide Americans with the freedom of choice and the freedom to choose products that meet their needs. Well that is as long as they're made in the USA, right? If they're not made in the USA, you don't get freedom of choice, right? This is the difference between the two parties here. As a scholar of environmental regulations, he says, I know these regulations were created to save energy and lower utility bills for consumers. Well, that was the intention.

Starting point is 01:07:29 Did it fulfill that? And even if it did fulfill it, so what? But they never look at the merits of any of this stuff. They only look at intentions. Did it give you what they said they'd intended it to do? No. I also know, he said, that many companies and consumers have supported federal regulation to strengthen energy efficiency standards and generally have opposed weakening them. Well, then fine. That's their choice.

Starting point is 01:07:59 They can do whatever they want. When you impose it upon others. And this guy comments and says, I don't understand why greens like David Vogel have such a problem with freedom. And I don't understand why Trumpers do either. You know, it used to be that for the longest time we had conservatives would say, we want lower taxes, less regulation. We don't want to pyramid taxes on top of each other. We want to stack the taxes. regulation. We don't want a pyramid taxes on top of each other. We want to stack the taxes. No, we don't want to do that. But now when

Starting point is 01:08:29 it's Trump that's what they want to do. He says if 71% of Americans prefer more efficient appliances there's no need for law to enforce appliance efficiency. People will choose energy efficient appliances of their own free will. The 29% who have other priorities likely have good reasons. Sometimes a low energy choice is a problem. And so this is according to your standards, but see it's the standards of the government that are being imposed on you. The government says well we demand that you use less energy or we demand that the things that you buy must be

Starting point is 01:09:04 made in America. And they simultaneously with the regulations that they have throttle people from making things in America. They throttle people from making businesses, let alone making products with those businesses. That's in America. But rather than address that problem, rather than fix that central issue, people in government will always make two mistakes rather than admitting to one or fixing the one. And that's where we are under the Republican administration. Certainly we can see the glaring tyranny of the Biden administration. Can we see that?

Starting point is 01:09:42 And can we see the lemming-like? Yes, and I know that was rigged by Disney, but nevertheless it's a good metaphor. Can we see the lemming-like devotion to this cult that now rejects everything that they knew about economics, about liberty, about the Constitution? We don't want or need any of that? Just going to go over the edge. Gasoline automobiles are where the real madness manifests. He said Australia is also threatening to phase out gasoline, but with Australia's vast empty spaces and poor road and electricity infrastructure, it's Mad Max time, right?

Starting point is 01:10:19 That isn't going to happen, regardless of what ignorant city-based politicians think they can force people to accept. And I think to a large degree, we can say the same thing about America. America is pretty stretched out. It's the urban planners that are pushing all this stuff. It's the urban planners that hate cars. As I've said before, the CEO of Lyft got his degree as an urban planner. And I covered in depth at one point in time. I just couldn't believe it when I read it that anybody would actually put something this stupid and detached into writing.

Starting point is 01:10:53 But he said, cities are the greatest invention of mankind and cars were the worst. This is why these people talk about suburban sprawl and everything. They want everything and all the people compacted together in their little cities for control. And that's what they really are focused on. So this guy says, well, I'm happy to choose energy efficient appliances when they make sense, but nobody should have to tolerate bureaucrats

Starting point is 01:11:18 dictating what they can and cannot choose when it comes to home appliances, automobiles, and how to live their lives. Or where it's made. You know, we attach some virtue to that as well. Look, I understand, and I think that it's a good thing to have self-sufficiency in a community or whatever. And I mean in a real community. You know, self-sufficiency at a local level, like the Amish are doing.

Starting point is 01:11:46 There is nothing about self-sufficiency in a country as large as America. You're going to be controlled by the Wall Street interests and other things like that. You're not going to be self-sufficient. Even if they put the factories here and have the robots making the stuff on American soil, you're going to be dealing with the federal government and with Wall Street. That's not self-sufficiency, folks. It's a dodge. And if they want to take away your freedom to choose, if they want to arbitrarily increase

Starting point is 01:12:18 the price of everything, that's a path to despotism. That's not a path to freedom and prosperity. The path to freedom and prosperity is to get rid of these regulations, as we've talked about many times. Is that a free trade agreement? Well then, how come it's got thousands of pages associated with it? It was never about free trade. This is not about freedom. This is not about making America great. It's about putting additional tax and regulation burdens on us. It's about breaking the supply chain. That's truly what it's about.

Starting point is 01:12:48 Well, we're going to take a quick break and when we come back, we're going to take a look at how civil asset forfeiture has not only escalated but metastasized as a cancer to to have a vehicle seized by the police and kept for a year and a half, I think is the term so far, still holding, when somebody was a victim of a crime. They were not even the person involved in the crime. We're going to take a quick break. We'll be right back. So So I'm gonna be a good boy You're listening to the David Knight Show. On rumble, Gian Basiglione says the mask was used to push people to use peer pressure to get the vaccine. The mask was uncomfortable. People wanted anything to avoid says the mask was used to push people to use peer pressure to get the vaccine. The mask was uncomfortable. People want anything to avoid wearing the mask. I heard this from mask wearing NPCs. Yeah. On Rumble, DG8, thank you for the tip. He says, David, good morning.

Starting point is 01:15:16 The mask were used to psychologically remind people to be in fear of the pandemic. COVID was a test and unfortunately 75% of the Americans failed. It was, like I said before, it was, you know, we see this and we also see how effective social media has been in terms of the experiments we saw in the 1960s of the Ash experiment, which is peer pressure. You know, people, you know, you have one test subject and everybody else in the audience is in on the gag, and they all give the obviously the wrong answer, and after a while, about two-thirds of the people

Starting point is 01:15:53 play along with it, you know, similar thing with the Milgram experiment, where you put somebody in kind of a position of authority, and pretty soon, you know, they are Well, that's a prison experiment Stanford prison experiment and the bill and groom experiment though, which also all these things play together They have wargamed this thing out psychologically and the Milgram experiment you just do what people in authority tell you to do and end of story on kick nights of the storm says and good to see you there, nights

Starting point is 01:16:27 of the storm there on Twitter as well as rumble and they said something interesting about the Cybertruck, it does not comply with the minimum lighting requirements that all other manufacturers are forced to comply with. My Harley has larger tail lights than the Cybertruck. How does Elon get a pass on the regulations?" I wonder how that works out. It cost him a lot of money to buy these politicians, you know. That's a rhetorical question, of course, nice of Storm Nose as well. He's got the politicians in his back pocket while he's He's got the politicians in his back pocket while he's reaching into the back pocket of the taxpayers. That's what Elon Musk does.

Starting point is 01:17:09 That's how he became the world's richest man. On Rumble, StealthPatriot, thank you for the tip. He says, all these people pulling their hair out over the J6ers treatment because of the Patriot Act have no clue that real ID came from the same act. And they've been arguing with me all weekend about that. Well we're going to talk a little bit about some of that here. Let's begin with civil asset forfeiture and seizure which came from the drug war but now you have a

Starting point is 01:17:39 a case where the police have confiscated a vehicle that there was no indication of any wrongdoing by the driver or anyone else. They're definitely holding this vehicle though. This is a plumbing truck and this is the business and they're saying, well, you know, this is impacting our business. They've had it for so long and they won't give it back. And they were the ones who were the victims in this.

Starting point is 01:18:06 A family-owned plumbing corporation in Illinois is being forced into court after cops confiscated a company truck when it was hit in a traffic accident. And they refused to return it to the owners for more than a year. They're being represented by the Liberty Justice Center, the Winnebago County Sheriff's Office, and the local state's attorney are the ones who are illegally seizing and indefinitely holding, 15 months so far, the property of this plumbing company simply because it was an innocent bystander to an auto accident. The government cannot take your property without a warrant or warrant exception, let alone indefinitely without giving you any way to get it back just because you were an innocent

Starting point is 01:18:58 bystander to somebody else's alleged crime," says the Liberty Justice Center. We look forward to vindicating the Fourth Amendment rights of First Supply, the plumbing company, and all innocent crime victims and bystanders. The company lawyer said it was hard enough to have our delivery driver be involved in a fatal car accident, but to indefinitely lose our truck to impoundment hampers our ability to make a profit and pay our employees. We never could have expected that months would pass without getting it back, and now we must

Starting point is 01:19:32 pay thousands of dollars a month extra just to serve our customers. To add insult to injury, we have spent hours trying to retrieve our property only to be passed from person to person at the state's attorney's office, ignored by the prosecutor and offered no support. This all happened in January 2024 when an alleged drunk driver ran a red light and crashed his vehicle into the delivery truck, which was stopped legally at a stoplight. Tragically the driver's passenger was killed on impact, first supply was in no way responsible for the accident, but the Winnebago County Sheriff's Office seized the truck from the scene as evidence without a warrant, and without any exigent circumstances

Starting point is 01:20:26 justifying the warrantless seizure. Then in the months following, while first supply complied with the law, the enforcement investigation of the truck remained locked up." You see, over and over again, and we're going to revisit this, I'm going to get back to what is going on with this fight with the Trump administration and this illegal alien, Garcia, who has been designated as a terrorist. We'll take a look at the back and forth. Both sides are pulling out a little bit of this and a little bit of that.

Starting point is 01:20:59 So you're getting a truncated picture from both sides on this. And then all of that is in the background of where the two parties are on immigration. But it really is about due process. And it's about how do we evaluate innocence or guilt. Because we're talking about a situation that is different from illegal entry. You know, that is one crime and you could say that the justifiable punishment for that would be expulsion out of the country. If we're going to also ignore the fact that people are financially incentivized to come into this country, the welfare magnet and other things like that, but still, somebody's here

Starting point is 01:21:41 illegally, you can deport them. But to send them to that type of prison is cruel and unusual punishment if the person is not a terrorist. Now, if they are part of this trendy, or whatever, the trendy gang, or MS-13, I have no problem with that kind of punishment if that is if they truly are terrorists but that needs to be determined. And so what we're seeing here is in one area after the other our government has become lawless and when our government no longer needs to follow due process, when they no longer need to charge somebody, this is civil asset forfeitures issue for the longest time, it was brought in as part of

Starting point is 01:22:24 the drug war. And so when you don't have to charge somebody with a crime and you don't have to find them guilty of the crime before you take the property, you can take the property and never even charge them with a crime, let alone find them guilty. When you're gonna tolerate that,

Starting point is 01:22:39 it turns into things like this as well. And if you're going to allow this kind of rule by executive fiat replacing the rule of law, then we're in really dangerous territory. But getting back to this, at one point a sergeant said the sheriff's investigators were finished with the truck, but still the truck was not released. The traffic case even was dismissed without the truck's release. Then a new criminal case was filed. At no point during the entire ordeal has either officer provided first supply a process, a procedure, or even a timeline

Starting point is 01:23:19 as to when it can get its truck back. Now I don't understand. When I first read this, I thought it was the drunk driver, the alleged drunk driver that died, but perhaps it was their driver in their truck. I don't know. I mean, if they're going to – you wouldn't file a criminal case against the drunk driver if the drunk driver died. So perhaps they – you know, crashing through and hitting this truck that was parked at the stoplight, perhaps it killed the plumbing truck that was parked at the stoplight. Perhaps it killed the plumbing company's driver.

Starting point is 01:23:48 I don't know. But they said for 15 months the company has been paying for a truck it cannot use as well as a replacement. The Liberty Justice Center said it now has a lawsuit pending over the confiscation of the vehicle and it cites the Fourth Amendment. We need to have due process along these same lines. Not guilty, but punished anyway. Now this truly is amazing.

Starting point is 01:24:13 This is from reason, and this is something I've talked about civil asset forfeiture for the longest time. This is beyond that. And this is beyond rigging a trial for a political enemy. This is a kind of corruption that has been embraced By the entire legal system all the way up to the Supreme Court and they're not doing anything to fix it Here is the specifics of this case so they've got six guys and they go to rob a CVS drugstore in

Starting point is 01:24:50 Indianapolis back in 2015. They go in with armed robbery to go after the pharmacy at gunpoint and so there's six of them. Three people are named here and three others that are unnamed. Three people named are Yates, Perry and McClinton. McClinton helped to guard the customers. Yates, who dubbed himself the mastermind of a string of similar robberies, led the charge with Perry. But their target, the safe, was equipped with a timed lock. D'oh! Meaning that they're not going to be able to get the drugs inside for several minutes. As time is passing, that means that the police could be drawing closer. So the group made off with a small bottle of hydrocodone, a sacrificial offering that's

Starting point is 01:25:41 been set aside by the pharmacy for such situations as this, along with some kidney medication and some cough syrup containing codeine. That's it. Six guys. And that's their take. A getaway driver brought the group to a residential area. Perry, the mastermind, is dismayed at how little they had to show for their efforts. He allegedly declined to share the paltry proceeds and got out of the car. But he didn't get too far because somebody shot him in the back of the head. One of the other five guys. Talk about a group of dumb criminals. The government zeroed in then on McClinton, who was 17 at the time, but they tried him as an adult. At his trial, persecution witnesses testified that he and Perry, the victim, were, quote,

Starting point is 01:26:33 like brothers, real close. Witnesses said McClinton was Perry's, quote, best friend, unquote. But the same could not be said of Yates, who was the robbery ring leader. His girlfriend was two-timing him with Perry, according to testimony, from Cleavon Williams, who had participated in other robberies with Yates. But Yates, who was cooperating with prosecutors, had implemented McClinton. Oh, so he turns, he cooperates, turns state witness, and he names somebody else, perhaps for the crime that he did.

Starting point is 01:27:09 That wouldn't be the first time we've seen that type of thing happening. So had Williams, after spending a year housed in the same detention facility as Yates. So the two of them are there, and they both point the finger to this other guy, McClinton. But the jury didn't believe these two guys. It convicted McClinton for his role in the armed robbery, but they found him not guilty of killing Perry. But then a judge sentenced McClinton for the murder anyway. How about that?

Starting point is 01:27:41 It reminds me very much of Ross Ulbrich when you look at it. Going back to Ross Ulbrich, Silk Road, and the website had been taken over by some FBI agents. They had all the passwords and everything in it. They were under trial at the same time that Ross Ulbrich was for having embezzled almost a million dollars out of the website. But they were not allowed, Ross Ulbrich's lawyers were not allowed to mention that exculpatory evidence that would show that, you know, cast a shadow of a doubt as to whether or not it was Ross Ulbrich or these FBI agents who were being tried.

Starting point is 01:28:18 And they were convicted, as a matter of fact. But that was not allowed to be told to anybody. But even more egregious after they convicted him for operating the website, you had in another jurisdiction, you had a district attorney who never indicted Ross for the murder for hire accusations or allegations of that. But he was never indicted. He was tried in the media as we see happening with this Garcia guy. He was tried in the media, but they never indicted him for that. He never stood trial for that, so he was not found guilty.

Starting point is 01:28:55 But the sentencing judge referred to that, for which, again, he had not been found guilty, had not even been indicted, referred to that murder for hire thing and gave Ross Ulbrich three consecutive life sentences, meaning that he would never get out of jail. Now, fortunately, Trump in 2025 pardoned him, but Trump in 2020 refused to pardon him. Trump would not pardon Ross Ulbrich for this heinous miscarriage of justice, just to do justice. No, that's not good enough for Trump. But he would pardon him in 2025 as payback for his supporters. You see?

Starting point is 01:29:38 That's why he has so many white collar criminals that were pardoned by Trump. He's got to get something for it. It's not about principle. And so the driving force in this sentence is not what he's been convicted of, said the judge that was there. Based on his convictions alone, federal sentencing guidelines would recommend that Pratt give McClinton a prison sentence of somewhere between 57 to 71 months, or about 5 to 6 years.

Starting point is 01:30:07 Instead, however, she sentenced him to 19 years. She sentenced him as if he had been found guilty of the murder charge that the jury had found him not guilty of. So how does this happen? Is this just a rogue judge? No it's much worse than that. This is built into the system. The results likely offend most people's understanding of how the U.S. criminal justice system is supposed to operate when a defendant hears not guilty. He can expect to avoid punishment

Starting point is 01:30:38 for that offense, or so we're told. The reality is that criminal defendants can be sentenced based on acquitted conduct, meaning charges that a jury rejected. See, for the longest time we've had judges, more often than not, tell and instruct the jury that you are not here to judge the law or the punishment that will be attached to it if this person is found guilty. No, that's why you are there. That's a very important reason of why you're there. You're also there to ascertain innocence or guilt, but you're also there to judge the law and the penalties that are there. But they always tell you, no, no, no, you don't judge that at all. You're just

Starting point is 01:31:25 here to find out what the facts are. And I will determine which facts you're allowed to hear even, right? And then when they don't get their desired outcome by rigging it, by lying to the jury about jury nullification of bad laws and bad punishment, when that doesn't work and when they look at the facts of the case and they reject the facts of the case, did you realize that the judges can throw that out as well? And it's a known established procedure. They even have a name for it. Acquitted conduct. So this is conduct. You did it. Equited conduct. So, this is conduct. You did it.

Starting point is 01:32:06 That's your conduct. Even though the jury acquitted you, you did it and I'm going to charge you on your conduct. Even though the jury said you're not guilty. Although the US Supreme Court approved acquitted conduct sentencing in 1997, so it goes all the way to the Supreme Court. It has been, it has flown all the way to the Supreme Court. It has flown almost entirely under the public's radar. I didn't even know about this. In April of 2024, amid pressure from various lawyers, judges, and advocates, the U.S. Sentencing

Starting point is 01:32:38 Commission, the judicial branch agency that writes the federal sentencing guidelines, the Sentencing Commission unanimously voted to limit the practice. Limit the practice, not end it. Not end it. It remains to be seen how much effort that decision will have. A cohort of left-leaning legal scholars, constitutional conservatives—yes, there still are some constitutional conservatives out there, there still are some constitutional conservatives out there, apparently, even with Trump in office – and libertarian think tankers are

Starting point is 01:33:10 watching. They said that in June of 2023, the Supreme Court declined to hear McClinton's argument that he had been unconstitutionally punished for murder after a jury acquitted him of that crime. But that did not mean that the court was ignoring the issue. It was Sonia Sotomayor who wrote, �The court's denial of cert today should not be misinterpreted�. In other words, you're not going to hear it, but here's her interpretation of it. She said, �The Sentencing Commission, which is responsible for the sentencing guidelines, has announced that it will resolve questions around acquitted conduct sentencing in the

Starting point is 01:33:51 coming year. If the Commission does not act expeditiously or chooses not to act, however, this Court may need to take up the constitutional issues presented. Does that sound familiar? Remember during the lockdown how the CDC just gave itself the power to stand over evictions and foreclosures as people were having being evicted from their jobs and having their businesses foreclosed on by Trump's lockdown orders. They said, all right, we're just going to stop the foreclosures and the evictions.

Starting point is 01:34:30 Well that left a lot of other people holding the bag. That just pushed it into a different problem area. It didn't address the problem. The problem was lockdown. And instead of adjusting the lockdown, the CDC gave itself powers that it never had. And then they extended that under Trump. And then Biden came along and they extended it under Biden like three times.

Starting point is 01:34:51 And it came before the Supreme Court and the Supreme Court said, well, this is wrong, but you have told us that you're going to fix this. And so we'll wait for you to fix it. And the CDC didn't fix it. So then they came back and then they took that power away from the CDC a couple months later. CDC assured them that they're going to stop doing it

Starting point is 01:35:11 but they continue to do it beyond that deadline. So here we have a similar situation. You have the Supreme Court looking at this and saying this is bad and we should do something about it just like the CDC can't tell people that you can't evict or have foreclosures They don't have that kind of power. Well, you can't you can't sentence people For things that they've been found not guilty of But the Sentencing Commission is dragging its feet and says yeah, we're gonna do it at some point

Starting point is 01:35:38 And so Supreme Court says well, we're not gonna hear this case But if they wait too long or they don't do this at all, then we will come back and revisit it at that point. Isn't that pathetic? Isn't that pathetic? Well, you had some people who disagreed with that. Brett Kavanaugh, Neil Gorsuch, and Amy Coney Barrett, the three Trump appointees, agreed that it is appropriate for this court to wait for the Sentencing Commission's determination, is it really, before the court decides whether

Starting point is 01:36:14 or not to grant cert in the case involving the use of acquitted conduct. And so they agreed with that. Isn't that amazing? We'll just let them take care of it. Of course, we'd seen the same type of thing with the CDC as well. And as Kavanaugh and Roberts, particularly in writing in that position, say, oh, we'll let the CDC fix it. And if they don't, we'll have to come back in. So six months later, the commission unveiled several proposed amendments aimed at

Starting point is 01:36:42 curtailing the use of acquitted conduct at sentencing. And so they came up with an amendment which supposedly took effect on November the 1st, but it's hard to predict its impact on future cases for two reasons. First, the caveat that they put in there about if there is overlapping conduct, they said that seems to leave some wiggle room. Secondly, the sentencing guidelines are advisory. They are not binding. So if you violate that, you might get a stern tongue lashing, but nothing else will happen. So if you've got a judge, it's a real hanging judge, or he takes a particular dislike to you, you can forget about due process, you can get about what the jury says. They've already forgotten about the jury setting in judgment of the law, setting in judgment

Starting point is 01:37:31 of the punishment and so now you've got judges who can forget about the jury and its finding of facts either. Yeah, we're losing all of our due process. When we come back, we're going to take a look at the absurdity that is happening with this immigration case. We'll be right back. The The The Making sense. Common again. You're listening to the David Knight Show. Alright, let's talk about tattoos here.

Starting point is 01:39:40 We had... This is one of the most amazing things frankly I have seen yet. This is Donald Trump putting out a tweet building his case for why they've got the right man, why this Garcia guy should be in the terrorism prison. And he puts this up. He goes, look at this! He's got MS-13 written on his hand. Now, left and right are looking at this picture and they're getting completely, two different, completely interpretation, different interpretations on this. They have, when you first look at this, you can, you look like, oh, well, look at that, he's got MS-13 on his four knuckles, and below it he's got some pictures tattooed on the upper joint of his fingers for each of those knuckles there. But when

Starting point is 01:40:33 you look at it a little bit closer, you see that the MS-13, even though they arranged these in, you know, as if it was to be on the knuckles, you can see that it's not quite aligned with the knuckles. So this is a really, really poor Photoshop version of this. And that is really set off the left on this. And not only that, but Trump says, see he's got MS-13 on his hand, tattooed on his hand. So he's selling that as13 on his hand tattooed on his hand so he's selling that as if it were a tattoo now here is the picture of the guy's real hand and this is there's a lot of different pictures that show his hand

Starting point is 01:41:16 that does not have on the four knuckles MS-13 it does have these other pictures it's got a flower leaf and a cross and a skull and some things like that on the other fingers. And even more importantly, I think when you see the picture of him meeting over the weekend with this senator from Maryland, you can also see his hand and it's not in his hand. So what is going on with this? Well, it's obviously digitally altered. Now, this is something, it's amazing to me, again, to see the dishonesty on both sides of this. The conservative media doesn't even address the fact that they arranged those things to try to make it look like they were on his knuckle.

Starting point is 01:42:05 A poorly done Photoshop. In other words, it's too clear. You know, you could, but they did arrange it. I mean, it's a really poor Photoshop thing, but they did try to Photoshop it. If they wanted to talk about symbolism, and that's all that the conservative media will talk about. They said, well, that flower there is marijuana, and that stands for the M. And then the other symbol there, that stands for the S, and the cross stands for a one. I don't know why that is. And then the skull. And then the skull, they said, so there was a marijuana leaf, a smiley face, a cross and a skull on the fingers. But then the Trump administration put MS-13 on the knuckles and tried to arrange it as

Starting point is 01:43:00 if it was on the knuckles. If they wanted to illustrate that those four things represented MS-13, an honest way to do it would be to put an MS-13 and then draw lines to it, you know, and then explain why they think that those four pictures represent those four letters and numbers, but they didn't do that. And both sides ignore all of that. But they didn't do that and both sides ignore all of that The left doesn't say that this was a commentary and the right does pretends that that's really on his hand and That's what Trump did as well

Starting point is 01:43:39 Trump administration initially admitted That he was sent to El Salvador due to an administrative error quote unquote but the president and his top officials say they will not retrieve him that's the amazing thing at the center of all this. The US Supreme Court upheld lower court ruling instructing the administration to arrange for his return. The guy has not been charged with any crime although we all know that he came here illegally, so that is his crime. But his crime, what they mean by that, is any terrorism events or any gang-related activity, any crimes like that, and again, those are of a much more serious nature than coming in illegally. There's one penalty for illegal entry. There's just like a difference

Starting point is 01:44:25 between different misdemeanors or felonies or whatever. And I'm not saying that coming into the country is no big deal. It is a big deal. I'm just saying that it's an even bigger deal to put somebody in a terrorism prison like that guy has created. That's almost a death sentence for many people. And that is because of the severity of that penalty, there needs to be some due process, more due process than there would be just for illegal entry. So again, when you see the picture of him standing there with the senator, you see that he doesn't have any of that on there. And other pictures have shown that as well. I've even seen, however, Trump media saying, well, his wife put up pictures of his hand

Starting point is 01:45:15 and she's got hearts there where the knuckles are. She's trying to cover up the fact that he's got MS-13 carved onto his knuckles. No, he doesn't have that on there. They overstate their case, and they add lies to it. You know, when we go to a court of law, for example, right? What is it? Do you swear to tell the truth? The whole truth, and nothing but the truth?

Starting point is 01:45:39 You're not going to put in doctored pictures? You're not going to make false allegations about things. You're not going to engage in character assassination and things like that that are not part of the central issue. You know, when you go back and you look at it, now tattoos are a part of the determination of whether or not somebody is in a gang. They have a system where they assign points based right now. This is the way this thing works. They're not really doing, if they suspect that you are alleged that you are part of a gang, you don't get the kind of due process that you would get in the past.

Starting point is 01:46:18 So Homan admits that. He says, yeah, under the Alien Enemies Act, you don't have that kind of due process. Instead, what they do is they go through the point system. And gang tattoos give you four points. If you get eight points, you're a gang member and you're out of here and you're going to that prison in El Salvador. So it is significant that they would make that determination. And again, when you look at the fake tattoo that is there, you can see that those numbers,

Starting point is 01:46:52 even though they've arranged them on the knuckles, they are much clearer than the actual tattoos. They're a little bit fuzzy. You could fix that if you knew what you were doing in Photoshop. But we have seen Photoshopped birth certificates from Obama that were childish in their sophistication. Same thing here. And then you have this type of thing. This is from some guy, Captive Dreamer, tweets this guy. He says, this looks like the most damning evidence yet. Damning to which side? To the credibility

Starting point is 01:47:26 of the Trump side or damaging to the other guy? Knuckle tattoos on Kilmar Garcia. M is the marijuana leaf is M. The smiley face is an S. The cross is a 1 and the skull is a 3. There you go. Where do they get that for the skull? Well, they're saying that the skull has got two, it's got three dots with the eyes and the mouth. That constitutes three dots. But if you look at the pictures of some of these tattoos, you see they just put like three dots. They don't try to put a skull there.

Starting point is 01:47:59 And the irony of all this is that this guy, this anonymous person who calls himself Captive Dreamer, has got a Photoshopped picture of David Koresh wearing a MAGA hat. Now, it was David Koresh that the ATF and the FBI drummed up all kinds of extraneous charges that had nothing to do with the central issue and had nothing to do with the jurisdiction of the FBI or the ATF. And all these allegations of, you know, child marriage and all this have been evaluated at the local level because that's where the jurisdiction is and they had not convicted him of any of that.

Starting point is 01:48:45 And so the feds in order to bolster their case for what they were doing that was overreach and they got caught in it, they started engaging in character assassination and ad hominem attacks against David Corrash and that's what this guy did. Here's what the MS-13 tattoos actually look like on some of these people. Now here he's not really, see this is pretty bold, right? This is his entire back. And he has in like old English font an MS and then the number is 1-3 above it. And the other thing that is pretty indicative of this gang is that they have this that that V-shape thing that looks like a skull. It's like a skeleton hand that has long claws on it and your two center fingers

Starting point is 01:49:33 are down and the thumb is over it and so they have the the index finger and the pinky are extended out like horns and that's a devil hand symbol that's there. So it's a skeleton with long fingernails and done in like a horn situation. And you see that over and over again with the MS-13, and they put MS-13 there, and that's the way it's been for the longest time. I talked about the Salvadoran father whose daughter was killed by these kids in high school in Long Island, they were known to be illegal immigrants, but they were being protected by Obama's DACA order that he put in as an executive order.

Starting point is 01:50:19 And then they had MS-13 literally written on their face or their bodies with the tattoos. They're not shy about it. As a matter of fact, here's another couple here. And here's a guy here. He's got on his forearms his elbow, MS, and above it, 1 and 3. Here is another one. There's the devil hand again. And written out underneath it is what the MS stands for in Spanish.

Starting point is 01:50:44 But then he's got the devil hand and then one three up above it. So again, it's not clear to me that they've even got the symbols correct on this, but why annotate it rather than Photoshop it, right? To keep it honest. And so again, the left is having a heyday with this because look at this, this is a poorly photoshopped thing and it's a lie. The image hones in on the tattoos on his knuckles. We should pick a marijuana leaf, a smiley face, a cross and a skull with three dots. And so they said he's not a member of MS-13, even though he's got MS-13 tattooed on his knuckles, said President Trump in his post. No, your staff put that

Starting point is 01:51:36 there. See, this is why they completely undermine their credibility. He's got MS-13 tattooed on his knuckles. No, you put that on there. So from misleading to an outright lie, the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth isn't supposed to be the standard. And interestingly, part of what undermined their evidence was that when this leftist senator who, again, doesn't have any problem with illegal immigration, and he's been attacked by the right because he paid no attention to the victims of illegal immigrant crime or gang crime or whatever in his state, he only gets upset about this aspect of it. So they're right about that. And you know, this is the two sides

Starting point is 01:52:26 of the Hegelian dialectic to get us fighting with each other. Anyway, he goes down to El Salvador and the president down there, at first he's turned away. That's the headlines early on Friday, that they refused to let the US Senator meet with this guy at the prison. And they were letting other people in, but they refused. They singled him out and would not let him in. Then later in the day, they changed their mind and they let him in. And as he is sitting there at the table talking to the guy, they have somebody walk up there

Starting point is 01:53:02 and they put two margarita glasses down on the table and snap a picture and put that on social media. He says, the president of El Salvador, he says, quote, miraculously risen from the death camps and the torture, he is now sipping margaritas with Senator Van Hollen, which Senator says, �We didn�t order that. We didn�t drink that.� They put that there for the photo op. And when they did that for the photo op, you could see his hand that doesn�t have MS-13 tattooed on it. This is a clown show of dictators and criminals on both sides of this thing.

Starting point is 01:53:44 It truly is ridiculous what is happening. And again, the solutions are not that complicated. And you don't have to destroy the constitution and due process in order to solve this problem. But that's not the way these guys roll. They want to have a problem so that they declare that the only way they can solve it is to destroy the constitution that's in the way these guys roll. They want to have a problem so that they declare that the only way they can solve it is to destroy the Constitution that's in the way. On Kick Angry Tiger's Den, good to see you there, says, our central government is way too big to operate efficiently.

Starting point is 01:54:16 The bigger the machine is, the less efficient it becomes. That's right. There's no way they're going to do all these deportations and not make mistakes. They can't even put their underwear on right in the morning. Well that's right. It's pretty amazing when you look at the size of even a state like Tennessee. We've got way more people in the state of Tennessee than you had in all 13 colonies at the time of 250 years ago when we had Paul Revere's ride as we were talking about at the beginning of the program. It's amazing when you've got that many people. And yes, it is not governable and it is too large to have that much power concentrate. And a big part of what happens with all this is the corruption that's in

Starting point is 01:55:02 Congress is the fact that there are too few representatives to be representative. But it is a massive bureaucracy. It's a massive number of people that have been brought in, millions of them, and there's no way they're going to get this stuff right. And you know that there's going to be some exception. Somebody's going to get hung up in the machinery. This particular one was a particularly stupid hill to die on, in my opinion, for the Trump people, right?

Starting point is 01:55:33 They had, as I pointed out last week, in 2018 they had mistakenly deported somebody to Iraq, I think it was, and they realized their error and they reversed it. And that was the Trump administration, but not this time. You know, when the administration says that there was an administrative error, this guy was sent by mistake and they don't correct it, that's a big part of the problem. They're playing this in a really stupid way, I think. Really stupid way. Perhaps they don't want to fix the problem. Angel Moms in Maryland talked about how Van Hollen had ignored the

Starting point is 01:56:13 deaths of their people. So both sides are picking this thing up. Regardless of whether he is MS-13 or the trendy gang, he was without question an illegal alien unlawfully in the United States from El Salvador," said Breitbart News. Well, yes. Does that mean that he deserves capital punishment? Is that the crime now for being an illegal alien? Or is that excessive?

Starting point is 01:56:37 See, that's the issue here. And the issue is due process for all of us. You know, when you look at these things, I think that this prison is appropriate for somebody if they're actually a member of that. But you know, when you start handing out really severe punishments, extraordinary punishments, you need some extraordinary evidence. That's the bottom line. And so Trump puts that out and is saying this is the hand

Starting point is 01:57:06 of the man the Democrats feel should be brought back to the US. He's got MS-13 tattooed on his knuckles and two highly respected courts found that he was a member of MS-13. He beat up his wife says Trump they're throwing everything at him that they can think of right. His wife wife had filed an injunction against him, but that was four years ago, and she has been with him ever since. So again, this is to me, like I said on Friday, this is like the David Koresh allegations. Is that really what ICE is there about spousal abuse and that type of thing? Is that what Trump is about? Is that the role of the federal government

Starting point is 01:57:45 to be involved in that? No, no more than it was the role of the FBI and the ATF to be investigating David Koresh for allegations of child marriage. So, again, this has gone both ways. Interestingly enough, government attorneys never referenced the tattoos in their court filings. So why is Trump now making this the centerpiece of his

Starting point is 01:58:12 argument with a fake Photoshop picture there? So that's what I'm saying. It's stupid. It's stupid. And remember, it was just a couple of months ago we were talking about the confirmation of Pete Hegseth that the left got all tied up in a wad over Pete Hegseth's tattoos and the crusading obsession of the far right, oh look at that, he's got Nazi tattoos and all the rest of this stuff. It's like well no, there's not Nazi tattoos, those are crusader tattoos and oh just as bad, he's a Christian, you you know all the rest of this stuff see both sides can and do play this game of spot the tattoo and and apply the appropriate pejoratives to it Holman was on the Sunday shows yesterday he's on ABC's this week, he said the Trump administration did the right thing in deporting Garcia. And so he said, he

Starting point is 01:59:11 criticized the senator who he said traveled on the taxpayer dime to meet with an MS-13 gang member. Well, it's the MS-13 gang member issue that is to be determined. That's the issue. And you just said, well, he's a gang member. Why? Well, because the president's designated him as such. And the president's got a Photoshop picture that shows that he's a gang member and all the rest of this stuff. Well, come on.

Starting point is 01:59:33 Yeah, that's the undetermined thing that is there. We'll talk a little bit about these allegations of child trafficking, which is pretty amazing, the way this whole thing came together, quite frankly. He says, what concerns me is that the senator never went to the border in the last four years under Biden. What shocks me is that he's remained silent on the travesty that has happened on the southern border. All that is true.

Starting point is 02:00:00 But even, as I've said all all along even more important than building the wall Was to stop the magnet the welfare magnet so The senator replied and said Homan is lying through his teeth on many places in that record I have actually been fighting MS-13 probably longer than Trump ever uttered the name MS-13 For 20 years in this region. I helped to stand up anti-gang task force been fighting MS-13 probably longer than Trump ever uttered the name MS-13. For 20 years in this region I helped to stand up anti-gang task force. But the idea that you can't defend people's rights under the Constitution and fight MS-13

Starting point is 02:00:34 and gang violence is a very dangerous idea." Now, I don't know anything about this Senator. I don't know if he's fought gang violence or not. I'm not inclined to believe that he did as a Democrat from Maryland. However, that last thing that he had to say there is absolutely true. You don't have to destroy the Constitution in order to destroy the gangs. And if you destroy the Constitution, we wind up with a gang in Washington that is far more dangerous than MS-13 or the Trendy ARAGUA. In a court filing, Immigration and Customs Enforcement, ICE, has acknowledged that he

Starting point is 02:01:16 should not have been sent to El Salvador, calling it a quote, administrative error. Homan defended the administration's actions so far, arguing that under the 1798 Aliens Enemy Act, which the administration invoked to deport them, that due process rights are more limited. He says, I stand by the fact that we did the right thing here. We removed a public safety threat. Well, you know, the due process is not really amended. The due process is actually eradicated as part of this, if you're going to do this. And again, just as a review, it

Starting point is 02:01:51 was part of the Alien and Sedition Act. The Alien and Sedition Act expired and was allowed to expire between 1800 and 1802. This is the only part of it that continued. It is there, the Alien Enemies Act, it is there, in the case of a foreign nation declaring war on the United States, then the citizens of that foreign nation, or as they also call it, denizens. I never hear the word denizen used, except as denizens of the deep. But this would be basically natives, you know, whether or not they have citizen access, they're people who were, you know, part of that country. So the supposed to be a formal declaration of war or if there are, if that country sends in people to, you know to disrupt things.

Starting point is 02:02:45 And so that, in a sense, if it is some kind of an invasion or predatory incursion that is organized by foreign government, and that's really what they're referring to. There's obviously been no declaration of war with Venezuela. What they're saying is, and I think they could make a credible case, that this trendy gang, especially when we saw that squatter who later was found out he was part of Venezuelan intelligence, you could make a case that these people are surrogates for that. You could also make the case that in a lot of these narco states that these gangs have as much power as a government. And so the case for that would be there.

Starting point is 02:03:25 But again, what it does is it removes all due process. And the problem is that we've seen due process removed over and over again by Trump for every single reason. Even if we're talking about tariffs, he removes the due process. The due process in that case is to have Congress set those rates. And he wants to govern by emergency order in everything that he does. And that is a big issue. We go back again to see what happened with this and the rest of the Alien and Sedition

Starting point is 02:03:53 Act. You had Jefferson and Madison write the Kentucky and Virginia resolutions. Jefferson wrote the Kentucky resolutions. Madison wrote the Virginia resolutions. They did it anonymously at first, but later it became known that they were the ones who wrote it. And even though seven of the states pulled back and said, no, we disagree with your disagreement with the Alien Sedition Act, in other words, seven states out of the thirteen agreed with the act.

Starting point is 02:04:25 It still was largely responsible after their authorship became known. It was largely responsible for Jefferson and Madison becoming president. And not in the Virginia resolution, but in the Kentucky resolution, Jefferson put out nullification. Now, Madison was not that strong in his Virginia resolution later on before he became president, sorry after he became president, when the nullification crisis of the 1830s came about again because of tariffs. Isn't it interesting? We keep seeing the same things coming round and round again. We keep seeing human nature which doesn't change. We keep seeing the nature of men

Starting point is 02:05:03 in power and how they lie and twist and want to have dictatorial powers. We see tariffs, we see attacks on free speech, which is what the Alien and Sedition Act, you know, free speech that'd be sedition. And you know, somebody who's here from a foreign government that's alien, we keep seeing these things come back around again and again. So anyway, when we look at this act, Carl, who was interviewing Homan on the due process rights, cited the 1993 Flores v. Reno Supreme Court opinion authored by Justice Antonin Scalia, conservative justice, that noted, it is well established that the Fifth Amendment entitles aliens to due process of

Starting point is 02:05:52 law and deportation proceedings. So Homan comes back and says, yeah, that's an ordinary deportation, but now we're calling these people enemies of a foreign government or organization that is coming in here. So we give them no due process. He kind of couches it and says, well, they don't have as much due process. No, they have no due process under this. He says, I'm not arguing rights here that nobody should get due process.

Starting point is 02:06:17 I'm just saying there's a different process under the Alien Enemies Act and less of a process than you would see through Title 8. No, there is no due process under the rules of the Alien Enemies Act. And so the, so where did all this stuff happen? Well, you know, there's been a couple of basically two interactions that this guy had with law enforcement. One of them was in Tennessee, that this guy had with law enforcement. One of them was in Tennessee, and then the other one was in Maryland, where he was loitering outside of a Home Depot. He said he was there to get work.

Starting point is 02:06:54 And there's some other guys there that were gang members, but he showed up after they were there. He said he didn't know them or whatever, and they're off to the side. But I want to talk about this thing that happened in Tennessee because now they're bringing that up and talking about human trafficking in 2022. And this is, you know, again, this makes it look like the guy is involved in something here. This is Tennessee Highway Patrol stopped this guy Garcia in 2022 for speeding and failing to maintain his lane. The officers suspected that he was participating in labor human trafficking because he was transporting eight

Starting point is 02:07:35 individuals from Texas to Maryland and meaning that there was a total of nine individuals being traffic being traveling in the vehicle. They had no luggage with them Garcia allegedly told the Tennessee Highway Patrol officers that he spent the last three days driving from Houston to Temple Hills Maryland to bring in people to perform construction work the Tennessee Highway Patrol sorry they Sorry, as I said, I'm getting a cold here. They said there was no luggage, a lot of people, made them suspect that there was human trafficking going on.

Starting point is 02:08:16 In addition to the fact that all eight of his passengers provided the same home address as the driver. None of the passengers had any identification documents. They didn't speak English and all the rest of the stuff. So there's some phony stuff going on with this guy. Again, not clear though, whether it's MS-13. I'm just giving you what I've seen in terms of facts. You can make your own determination about it, but they're not going to listen either,

Starting point is 02:08:44 you or me. I'm just concerned about the due process stuff here. The FBI had jurisdiction over the stop for unknown reasons and ultimately instructed officers at the scene to release him and his eight passengers. The Tennessee Highway Patrol spokesman told the Tennessee Star, per standard protocol, the Highway Patrol contacted federal law enforcement authorities with the Biden-era FBI, the agency of jurisdiction, who made the decision not to detain him. And I guess they had jurisdiction because he's traveling over state lines or something. I don't know.

Starting point is 02:09:22 A countering officer decided not to cite the subject for driving infractions, but gave him a warning citation for driving with an expired driver's license. No driver's license. Boy, if only I could get that kind of treatment, huh? No speeding ticket? No big deal. By 2019, two judges had determined that Garcia is likely to be a member of MS-13. Okay, so now it's tilted in the other direction. But now from the left, this is from Washington Post, how a defunct gang registry helped to deliver him to a Salvadoran prison.

Starting point is 02:10:03 Now that situation there in Tennessee looks very suspicious. But the key evidence that they had gone off of before was this incident at the Home Depot. And this was, he was standing in a parking lot looking for construction work, he said. And this was a detective who comes in and arrests all four of these guys. They said that they thought they saw somebody sneaking some marijuana under a car or something. So they write this up as on a gang sheet. So this is a procedure that they come up with and it is something that they used to identify people that they thought were part of gangs and put them on a list.

Starting point is 02:10:51 You know, the same way as I talked about last week, well, they put them on a gang list. Well, how did he get on the gang list? Well now we know how he got on the gang list. He got on the, we look at people who again are put on the no fly list. And the Democrats love that. You know, they say, yeah, we like that no fly list. Tell people they can't fly. Oh, and then let's add people to a no buy list

Starting point is 02:11:14 and say you can't buy firearms. And we'll put them on the list and we won't tell them how they got on the list. And you don't get a chance to contest that. You're just labeled as a terrorist or as, you know, who can't fly or somebody who's part of a gang or somebody who can't buy anything. But you don't have any, you're not allowed to be confronted in a court of law by your accusers and defend yourself. You don't even know that you're on the list until they tell you you can't

Starting point is 02:11:41 take a flight, you know, in the middle of your trip, you're stranded in Hawaii, like the case I talked about last week. And so these Star Chamber lists where you were secretly indicted and found guilty because you're on the list and you're not even allowed to know that you're on the list or why you're on the list, that's a real problem. And so even though the transporting of these people looks suspicious, and that in and of itself might be a factor, that's not really what they were focused on before. That has now come up. But this gang list thing, it was put on that by the detective who filled this out, Ivan Mendez, was suspended from the Prince George

Starting point is 02:12:29 County Police Department just days after he put Garcia on the list because of allegations that he had been abusing. He was accused of tipping off a sex worker that he had hired about an ongoing investigation into a brothel that she ran. He was later criminally indicted. This detective was criminally indicted and fired after pleading guilty to misconduct in office when several members of the gang unit who were criminally prosecuted, Mendez did not respond to any messages seeking comment from the Washington Post.

Starting point is 02:13:03 So he was criminally indicted. He was fired, he had a lot of issues with this. And then this whole procedure of creating these secret lists, you know, you put somebody down on the gang list and this is what the Trump administration is saying, they say, well, he was on the list so he's guilty. How did he get on the list? He got on the list by a corrupt cop who was criminally indicted and fired. And the list itself has been shut down. A lot of people sued because they said they were falsely included on this list after they

Starting point is 02:13:35 found out about it. And it was such a troublesome thing, they have stopped that entire procedure. This is what I'm saying. We have to be careful that we don't destroy due process in this country. And this whole thing was another one of these deals like a no-fly list. And so there was a tremendous amount of, there was push and incentivization for them to put people on the list because guess what? They would get federal money. Yeah, just like during the lockdown everything. You point to somebody and say they've got COVID so that you can get money from Trump, that type of thing.

Starting point is 02:14:09 So on March the 28th, 2019, he drove to that Home Depot, stood outside the day laborers entrance looking for work. Three other Latino men in their 20s were already there, police records say. Garcia didn't know them well said his attorney. Within minutes members of the Prince George's County police gang unit arrived and put all of them including Garcia in handcuffs. And so they said they'd recognized one person in there as being MS-13, Sailor's Click, but they did not accuse him of that. Now that person had the devil horns hand thing. So again, Garcia had been identified by an unnamed

Starting point is 02:14:54 confidential informant as an active member of MS-13's Western Click in upstate New York, a place that he has never lived. Mendez cited Garcia's clothes as further proof. He had a hooded sweatshirt that featured green bands covering the eyes, ears, and mouth of Benjamin Franklin's face from the $100 bill. His wife said that she bought the sweatshirt for him because she liked the design. And then he was also wearing a Chicago Bulls hat. So that and the tattoos on his hand that don't say MS-13, that was their evidence. And he was in the vicinity of other guys that they believe might have been MS-13.

Starting point is 02:15:33 All the stuff that happened at the Home Depot, especially the write-up and the list and all the rest of the stuff, I don't find that credible at all. Now the stuff that happened with Tennessee where he's driving eight guys across the country and they're all obviously illegals, that is human trafficking. And so I don't know what is up with that. Nevertheless, the government attorney who also submitted a federal form claiming that Garcia and one of the other men at the Home Depot had been, quote, detained in connection to a murder investigation, but the Washington Post could find no mention of a murder investigation in any other public records.

Starting point is 02:16:10 And so, this is another aspect of this that is troubling. That they find that it's necessary to keep padding this with things that are not true. The tattoos on the thing, the murder allegations and things like that. That's a hallmark of a government that says bring me the man I'll find the crime and that's the stage we're in right now so as much as the Tennessee thing looks criminal indicates possible gang activity now the rest of the stuff does and it was the rest of the stuff

Starting point is 02:16:43 that they were focused on. You know, there was no indication... the tattoo was not even mentioned in any of the indictment stuff. Again, that would get him points towards the termination of whether or not he was a gang member to get him sent to that prison. But they didn't even mention the tattoos. That was fabricated now, after the fact, by Trump. Because now they have owned this and rather than Saying we made a mistake like Trump did back in 2018 now. They're going to move forward to this and say we don't make mistakes So at his deportation hearing in In August of 2018

Starting point is 02:17:20 The judge was a Trump administration appointee, and he was formerly a military judge, and he was known for typically denying asylum cases. And again, when he was presented with this evidence that came out of Maryland, and this trafficking of people with a Tennessee Highway Patrol caught him. That was not a part of this case. But looking at just what happened in Maryland, he said, no, we're not going to send him back. Five years later, he was driving in Prince George's County with his five-year-old autistic son when he was pulled over by ICE officers.

Starting point is 02:18:00 Garcia called his wife on a speaker phone. She said, and agent told her that she had 10 minutes to pick up her son or he would be turned over to Child Protective Services. When she arrived, ICE officers said his immigration status had changed and asked if she wanted to say goodbye and her husband was crying. The next day, he called her from a detention in Louisiana and said ICE agents had shown him photos that had secretly taken of him at a restaurant and a basketball court asking him to identify people in the background, but he said he didn't know them.

Starting point is 02:18:35 On March the 15th, from a Texas detention center, he called his wife again in a panic. He was being deported to El Salvador. His wife hired two new attorneys, one in El Salvador, and to see if there was any criminal charges there, they found no criminal charges pending there. Another lawyer in Maryland who filed lawsuit in the US District Court. The judge overseeing that case, Paula Zinus, has repeatedly ordered the Trump administration to facilitate his return. So she said the government's gang allegations are unsubstantiated. The Trump administration has turned this now into the court of public opinion where they

Starting point is 02:19:15 present falsified documents. Now again, all this is based on what was coming out of the Maryland, the Prince George County, the corrupt cop who was fired, who was criminally indicted himself. Isn't that interesting? The cop was criminally indicted, but this guy was never criminally indicted. See, there's some real issues here with this, and this is far more important than partisan loyalty, and it is far more important than the hubris of an administration that now, seven years on after having admitted that they made a mistake in 2018, would rather fabricate evidence than to admit that they

Starting point is 02:19:58 made a mistake. Now, if there's new evidence with the transportation of people in Tennessee, that's a separate thing, but that's why you need to have this kind of determination. So I ended up here in the end of this Washington Post article. They said this government, this is the appeals court wrote this. The appeals court wrote, this government is asserting a right to stash away residents of this country in foreign prisons without the semblance of due process that is the foundation of our constitutional order.�

Starting point is 02:20:35 The government asserts that Garcia is a terrorist and a member of MS-13. Perhaps but perhaps not, said the appeals court. Regardless, he is still entitled to due process. That's the reality. Well, we're going to talk a bit more about the legal issues. I'm going to take a break here. Some of your comments on Rumble. DG8 says, David, all this MS-13 garbage is put out in front because they want people to believe that Trump is deporting illegals, which we all know is a hoax.

Starting point is 02:21:12 Deportations have come to a halt. It's all an illusion. Yeah, that's the other part of it. The deportations that we pointed out since Trump has been in are far less than they were a year ago under Biden. We know that there are several million people that came in just under Biden, and they're not being deported. And so I think you're right. I think they do want to have this there to make people think that there's something really

Starting point is 02:21:40 happening when it's really just a show, a contrived show to make people think that they're actually doing deportations of illegal aliens when they aren't. They go over the top and send this guy to a terrorist prison, but they're also attacking the fundamentals of due process. But again, people are lining up on this thing not so much about the due process. There's some people are talking about that, but most of them are lining up on the open borders versus not open borders and everybody is thinking that Trump is deporting everybody. You're exactly right when that's not really happening. On Rumble, timed nontides says, R.F.K. said he's going to fix public health with AI tracking

Starting point is 02:22:22 of Americans. This completely misses the point. Force and coercion of so-called public health is a problem, making totalitarian government all seen." Yeah, I agree. And where does he get the jurisdiction to say that hate speech is a disease, right? That's the other thing. Just completely off the rails. Now he has come out and he's taken some hit because he's talking about psychotropics, but he's only talking about them in very generalized terms. And he has completely caved on his opposition to the MMR vaccines and his discussion about them being connected to autism.

Starting point is 02:23:04 As a matter of fact, I didn't play this clip on Friday, but I still have it on the board here. This is an individual tragedy as well. Autism destroys families. More importantly, it destroys our greatest resource, which are our children. These are children who should not be These are children who should not be suffering like this. These are kids who, many of them, were fully functional and regressed because of some environmental exposure into autism when they're two years old. And these are kids who will never pay taxes, they'll never hold a job, they'll never play baseball, they'll never write a poem, they'll never go out on a date, many of them will never use a toilet

Starting point is 02:23:52 unassisted, and we have to recognize we are doing this to our children and we need to put an end to it. Yeah, you need to recognize that it's the administration that you are, your agency that is residing over this stuff. He's talked about this for years and now he's pulling it back and saying it's some kind of an environmental thing. And you have the people who want to believe and they say, well, that's just his code word for saying that it's vaccines. Well, why do you have to use coded words?

Starting point is 02:24:22 Why can't you just call it what it is? If you can't call it what it is, I don't think you're going to really come up with a solution. So if you're going to play around with environmental factors, is it going to tell us that it's the high fructose corn syrup that's in there that's causing autism or something like that? Yeah, I don't. Anyway, on Rumble, Hi Boo says, Trump isn't a gang. It's called a techno gang. Bezos, Zuckerberg, Elon, yeah I agree. Khanfank, thank you very much for the tip on Rumble. He said, America doesn't need any more immigrants.

Starting point is 02:24:53 Change my mind. Oh, I agree. I think we ought to stop. I think we can, absolutely. The big wave of immigrants is going to come in. It's going to be the robots. But don't worry, we'll make them in America, so they'll be American citizens and they'll take your jobs.

Starting point is 02:25:08 We don't need more immigrants, and we certainly don't need to be giving welfare to people from other countries. That's the biggest issue. If they're going to get serious about any of this stuff, and they're not serious about any of this stuff, they're not as a DG8 so they're not getting rid of people. This is to distract people. But you know if they're serious about the first thing they would do is completely stop all of this. And again when we look at the doge cuts, those are also a distraction. And those are most likely being removed one after the other, but it's not

Starting point is 02:25:47 really getting to the core issues of any of these things to the immigration issue either. Just like Doge is not getting to the core issues of green subsidies that Elon Musk is involved in, or the military industrial complex and its waste that Elon Musk is benefiting from. No, it's a very limited hangout of what they're doing, and most of it is just for show. On Rumble, Big Brit is back again, says Jones's friend Michael Yan was on Stu Peters. He said Trump is lying about mass deportations. He's done less than Biden in the same period of time. Well, that statistically has been proven.

Starting point is 02:26:24 I've talked about that myself. Now, if you look at, again, year to year, year to date, he's doing less removal than Biden. But they've got this tough-talking guy, Homan, who goes on and is real belligerent, and he's going to grab people by the scruff of the neck and throw them out of the country himself, right? If you believe him. Well, we're going to take a quick break and then we'll be right back. Excellencies, ladies and gentlemen, your annual global risk report makes for a stunning and sobering read.

Starting point is 02:27:08 For the global business community, the top concern for the next two years is not conflict or climate. It is disinformation and misinformation, followed closely by polarization within our societies. In a world of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. You are listening to The David Knight Show. Well, as we look at what is that one last thing I want to say about this is what the Supreme Court involvement is here. You got going through conservative media they said, look at this, even CNN says that the Supreme Court did not order this Garcia guy back.

Starting point is 02:28:07 Well, the Supreme Court said it was to facilitate his return. They also said we can't get involved in foreign policy. It's a foreign government that has him now, and they can't order that foreign government. They can tell the Trump administration to facilitate his return. And he says, well, I can't do anything about it because the people I'm paying to run this prison for our, you know, we're sending prisoners there, we're paying them for that. I don't have any control over them. And then you have Stephen Miller, who's coming out and, you know, fighting with the press and all this stuff. And his case

Starting point is 02:28:38 for this is that, well, this guy is a president, this guy is a terrorist because the president has said he is. That's it. And that's basically where we are with the Alien Enemies Act. If the president says you're a terrorist, you're a terrorist. How did that work out for January the 6th? Biden was calling these people terrorists. Were they terrorists because Biden called them terrorists? Do you have a problem with that? I have a real problem with that. It's amazing to me that people forget so quickly that we don't want to have a situation where a president points at you and calls you a terrorist and you're a terrorist. That's a real issue. So, the Supreme Court has shut down deporting more foreign terrorists under the Alien Enemies Act.

Starting point is 02:29:26 That's the headline from the Gateway Puppets of the Trump administration. That is not what they said. They didn't say that you can't deport foreign terrorists. They said that you're not going to do these deportations without determining if they are terrorists. And that's a distinction there. Now Alito and Clarence Thomas did not like it. But they didn't like it because they want to get rid of terrorists. They didn't like it because they didn't like the process that was skipped.

Starting point is 02:29:57 You see, when it comes to the way the courts are going to operate, there is a set procedure. There is a bureaucratic due process. And they said, you can't make this determination before lower courts have decided this and so forth. We have an agreed upon procedure, an agreed upon process, and you need to follow that, they said. And so it's very important that we follow the Supreme Court's due process, that we follow the institutional due process. But we don't really have to follow the due process for individuals. See, that's

Starting point is 02:30:33 the end. So we have due processes for cases, but not for the individuals. That's really kind of where we are. And to understand where this is all headed and to bring it back home folks, because you have to understand that we don't just, you know, when Biden sweeps aside due process for the J-6ers, the left applauds. We want to get all those people, right? And when Trump sweeps aside due process for people that are alleged to be terrorists, and I mean that, you know, J6ers, again, it's the conviction of everybody because they are guilty by association with that, right?

Starting point is 02:31:16 As I said before, if you've got somebody who is there and they're acting violently at J6, okay, that's fine. Charge them for that. And yet, not only did they give them excessive punishment for what they did on J6, but then they took people who had no connection to that other than they were in the vicinity and shared political issues and see that's what they're doing with these things as well. That kind of lumping people together by viewpoint. And if you want to know how they're going to do that, then you can take a look at Palantir, because now they've got a big government contract with ICE.

Starting point is 02:31:52 And let me tell you, it's not just going to be illegal immigrants that Palantir is looking at and profiling. We've already seen this kind of stuff done to J6 people, many of whom were there to legally, peacefully address their grievances, which is specifically protected under the Constitution. And yet Biden swept this away by calling them terrorists, and then enhanced the punishment for people. They got into a fight with the police or something. Oh, now you're a terrorist. No. And we must not allow them to do this. Palantir CEO Alex Karp is now

Starting point is 02:32:31 deploying near real-time visibility software to facilitate the deportation of illegal immigrants. This is the end game, folks. And while Trump is out there, law and order, and we've got to do all this, this is the other part of this, as we just said. Some people are saying, yeah, Trump wants people to think that he's fixing this illegal alien invasion of millions of people that Biden facilitated and subsidized. But he's not. But what he is doing is he's creating problems, he's creating visibility, because guess what his other solution is? The big solution is not just that I'm going to declare that we're at war with these drug gangs. The big solution is now you've got to get an ID. And we've been seeing this coming

Starting point is 02:33:25 from the GOP in a lot of different ways. Making e-verify mandatory. Even the digital ID to be able to vote. ID to be able to travel. Both the Democrats and Republicans are fully on board with real ID. And then above and beyond all of that, we bring in Palantir, which is going to enact a kind of de facto biometric database. You have these corporations like the Flock cameras. They've got cameras everywhere. It's a private corporation putting this stuff up, spying on people, just like social media is there to spy on you and to turn that information over to the government

Starting point is 02:34:10 and sell it to them, if they will. But hey, it's a private corporate, it's not the government doing it. Well, it is the government doing it. These people are doing it because they know the government is going to pay them for it and they willingly turn it over and they advertise to the government

Starting point is 02:34:25 that they've got this stuff and they turn it over. So if they've got all these cameras everywhere, this private network of cameras, the flock thing, they turn all those pictures over, they can analyze it with artificial intelligence and create a biometric database and a full dossier on everybody. And folks, that's what this is really about. As they're weaponizing and closing the border, understand they're going to do this to each and every one of us. It's not going to stop there. All of this stuff is not going to stop at

Starting point is 02:34:53 the airport if you think you're going to be okay just because you're not going to fly. No, they're going to roll this out everywhere. That's just where they're beginning with it. And all of this stuff now about the emergency and we're going to suspend all due process and we're going to forget about everything in the Constitution so that we can get these drug gangs. How did we get drug gangs? Well, it came about by the unconstitutional drug war that hasn't worked. It hasn't worked. But it has been, it has worked perfectly in order to expand and to grow government and to create a police and surveillance state. Boy, the drug war really worked for that. Didn't stop the

Starting point is 02:35:35 drugs, but it certainly did build the police state and the surveillance state, didn't it? And now they want to have a real physical war with these drug gangs. We want to send in Reaper drones, we want to bomb these various gangs in Mexico and so forth. They want a real full-on war with them, but they also want a war with you. They want to have biometric information and surveillance and a police state for you as well. All of this stuff, again, you got a gang list, you got a list of people that are in a gang, guess what? They've got a list of their political are in a gang, guess what?

Starting point is 02:36:05 They've got a list of their political enemies too, and they can put you in the star chamber process and we've seen this happening for quite some time. Palantir will deliver a prototype of the Immigration OS by September of this year. The contract sets the deadline for fully operational Immigration OS by September of 2027. And this is why you've got this left right move between Trump and Biden, Trump and Biden on real ID. Going back all the stuff, real ID, TSA, all the rest of stuff going back to 9-11. You know, the big other shoot or drop from 9-11, of course, was the pandemic and the lockdown and all the rest of that that they practiced with the Model State Health Emergency Powers Act and the false flag of the anthrax attack a week

Starting point is 02:36:53 after 9-11 and the first simulation two months before 9-11. All that was there, but this is a part of it as well. According to the contract, this new Palantir software is expected to cost about $30 million. Palantir has worked with Musk's Department of Government Efficiency with Doge to build a mega API for the IRS. Oh, but don't worry, it's not about you. It's going to build this artificial intelligence program for the IRS in order to scope out those illegal aliens.

Starting point is 02:37:29 You see how they use this as the rationale for the police state that they want to roll out? It's terrorists. It's illegal aliens. So we've got to have the Patriot Act. We've got to have the Patriot Act, we've got to have real ID, we've got to have the IRS doing real-time auditing of everybody with artificial intelligence because of terrorists, because of illegal aliens and all the rest of stuff. No, they want a police state.

Starting point is 02:37:56 That's their rationale. That's why I'm saying don't fall for this back and forth. They're lying through their teeth on both sides. Both sides are lying and both sides don't care about this country. They will overrun us with illegal aliens and they'll do the rest of this. They'll overrun us with a police and surveillance state. Well, Jim Bovard, that was the alien part of it. Here's the sedition part of it, right? Remember you go back to John Adams the Alien and Sedition Act You know part of it is about foreigners in the country and how we can do whatever we want to with him with executive orders The other part of it was speech that they don't like

Starting point is 02:38:37 Calling it sedition Yeah, they didn't use the term racist back then or hate speech, but it was sedition It was treason. And we had Trump say that what the CBS ought to lose their license and other press organizations ought to lose their license because they said things about him that he thinks are untrue or hurtful. And so that is treason. Why?

Starting point is 02:39:00 Because he is the government, right? If you oppose him, you oppose the government. So they're guilty of treason. Well, he could just as easily call it sedition. And that's really where we are. Jim Bohard said, if it is known that authorities have power, he quotes Frederick Hayek, he said, and this is what Hayek said, if it's known that authorities have power to coerce, few people will wait for actual coercion." You got that power, you're going to do it right away. That's what he said in the preface to his Road to Serfdom.

Starting point is 02:39:31 And he talks about the abduction of that Turkish graduate student where she was surrounded by six masked federal agents, whisked off. And next thing you know, she's in Louisiana or whatever she's working on her doctorate at Tufts University but she had criticized Israel in an op-ed piece and that was her crime. That was all that she had done. He said I discussed this I wrote this in a sub stack on March 31st first they came for the op-ed writers. He said Rubio denounced her as a lunatic

Starting point is 02:40:08 and implied that she was guilty of participating quote in movements that vandalize universities, harass students, take over buildings and cause chaos. See that? She is guilty of being in a movement, a movement. She's not guilty of vandalizing. She's not guilty of harassing students or taking over buildings or causing chaos. But she's sympathetic in viewpoint to a movement where some people have done that.

Starting point is 02:40:36 That again is the same logic that they used on January the 6th. So we got some, and James Bovard points that out, so we got some people who got violent with the police. Well, they're obviously terrorists and they should go to jail for 50 years or whatever. And then the other people who were peaceful protesters, who walked calmly between the velvet ropes because they were let in by the police, oh well they're terrorists too, because they're part of this group and there were some people who got violent in that group. So they shuffled her between different detention facilities before taking her to Louisiana. A federal judge blocked the Trump administration's attempt to deport her without any judicial

Starting point is 02:41:21 procedures. On Sunday night, The Washington Post detonated the Trump case against Oz Turk, that's her name, by publishing extracts from a confidential State Department memo. Prior to her being seized outside of Boston, senior DHS official Andre Watson sent a memo to the State Department stating that, quote, Oz Turk engaged in anti-Israel activism, specifically co-authored an op-ed article that called for Tufts to disclose its investments and divest from companies with direct or indirect ties to Israel. That's it. That's it. The State Department found that no federal agency had turned up any evidence that she had engaged in any anti-Semitic activity or made public statements indicating support

Starting point is 02:42:13 for a terrorist organization. The Feds, says James Bovard, didn't have squat on her. The DHS wanted her expelled from the U.S. under a provision of the Immigration and Nationality Act that entitles the Secretary of State to deport any foreigner if there is any reasonable grounds to believe their presence has, quote, adverse policy consequences for the U.S. So the Trump administration used a legal authority under which the Secretary of State can deport anyone on his own decree. No evidence required.

Starting point is 02:42:56 Is this the kind of country that we want? Is it really? The President, whether it's Trump or Biden, can point to you and say, you're a terrorist. The Secretary of State can do likewise. Because of her op-ed criticizing Israel, she vanished into the federal detention system, moved from state to state so the Trump administration could avoid a habeas corpus petition being filed in a federal court. So somebody's going to file a petition in a federal court, move her to a different jurisdiction. Staying one step ahead of him. She was forced to wear leg shackles

Starting point is 02:43:30 and a chain around her waist. She has asthma and has had several attacks so far and lock up. She said none of us were able to sleep through the night. They come into the cell often and they walk around triggering the fluorescent lights. She said that the federal official told her, quote, we are not monsters. We do what the government tells us. That's my definition of a monster. If you, you know, it's just following the autists, right? The Nuremberg defense.

Starting point is 02:44:02 The Trump administration has floated proposals to prohibit all foreign students from attending American universities that fail to fully suppress criticism or protests against Israeli policies. James Bovard said it would be the height of folly for Americans to presume that they face no peril from entitling the feds to seize boundless power to punish students' speech. Many conservatives and libertarians may shrug off her degradation because they have no interest in criticizing the policies of foreign governments, but her case hinges on collective guilt. James Bovard gets this right. The issue is collective guilt. And as he points out, that's the same thing that was used against people on J6. The nonviolent people were accused of collective guilt. He said, what legal

Starting point is 02:44:58 perils will pro-freedom protesters face in the coming years if the rule used against her is canonized entitling federal officials to crush any disfavored opinion. Yeah, it hinges on collective guilt assuming that anyone who advocates a position is culpable for any crimes committed by any other advocate who has the same view. So if you're a conservative and there are some conservatives who commit a crime, and we see this in press all the time, don't we? As soon as there's a mass shooting, oh, let's see, who did he vote for? What did he say on social media or she or whatever, right? Oh, well, if they were supporting Trump, then we need to take guns away from Trump supporters,

Starting point is 02:45:49 or vice versa, right? The first thing they do. And so the public has already been conditioned for this kind of thinking, hasn't it? Bovard finishes by saying, as long as anyone is sitting in shackles in a federal detention center simply for writing an op-ed, freedom of speech is not safe for anyone in the United States. Well, her persecution. Finally, wake up people who are too confident that it can quote, never happen here.

Starting point is 02:46:19 Yeah, we've come a long way, haven't we, in the 250 years since Concord and Lexington and Paul Revere, haven't we? A long way in the wrong direction, in the wrong direction. We've been racing back into slavery and serfdom, and frankly, into the dark ages and deindustrialization as well. We'll talk about that when we come back. This is from you, right? Travis says to be extremely pedantic about Doge.

Starting point is 02:46:53 Of is not put into the acronyms. It would be Doge. Musk could have made it Department Overseeingeing government efficiency, but he was too dumb or lazy for that. There you go. That's good. We're taking a quick break. We'll be right back. Unlike most revolutions where the people rise against a real economic oppression. In our case here in Boston, we are fighting for purely an abstract principle it is however not nearly so abstract as a young gentleman supposes the issue involved here is one of monopoly

Starting point is 02:47:37 today the british government will monopolize the sale of t in our country tomorrow it will be something else. The Liberty, it's your move. You're listening to the David Knight Show. Well, we have just a little bit of time left, and I thought this was interesting, especially coming out at this time of year when so many Christians are celebrating the resurrection of Christ and see that as their hope. Belief in the afterlife is on the rise, even among religious nuns, even among... and that's not N-U-N-S. This is N-O-N-E-S.

Starting point is 02:49:07 It said, �Analysis of recent data indicates a marked increase in belief in an afterlife among non-religious Americans, climbing from roughly 50% in the 70s to around 60% today. Simple question, yes or no. Do you believe there is life after death? They said. There's been a gradual rise of afterlife belief over the decades. It's notable, increasing modestly from 76% in 73 to around 82% in 2022. Also very interesting is that it is independent of educational categories.

Starting point is 02:49:48 Doesn't matter if you didn't finish high school, if you got a PhD, the percentages still hold across the board because this gets down, you know, the grave is a great equalizer, isn't it? This gets right down to the issue. And so you might just dismiss this as wishful thinking, but as I said before, you know, we had – if you go back and you look and you apply the same kind of detective work as J. Warner Wallace did, Cole Case Christianity. You apply the same kind of criteria that you do in terms of solving cases where all the witnesses are dead. He came away very convinced of it because people, the way that, how quickly it was written, especially for ancient texts, Usually it was written, especially for ancient texts, right? We look at most of the historical texts that tell us what we know about the Roman Empire

Starting point is 02:50:50 and history. Many of them were written centuries after things had happened. This was written with the same people still alive. And so when we look at what the Christians are all about, when He is risen, it's a different thing than just life after death. It's a very different thing. As a matter of fact, C.S. Lewis had a great quote, and I really like this. This is from his book, The Weight of Glory.

Starting point is 02:51:17 He said, �There are no ordinary people. You have never talked to a mere mortal. Nations, cultures, arts, civilizations, these are mortal. And their life is to ours as the life of a gnat. In other words, nations are going to be born and die in cultures and civilizations, but it is immortals with whom we joke with. It is immortals that we work with, immortals that we marry, that we snub, that we exploit. Either immortal horrors or everlasting splendors. This does not mean that we are to be perpetually solemn. We must play, but our merriment must be of the kind, and it is in fact the merriest kind,

Starting point is 02:52:03 which exists between people who have from the outset taking each other seriously No flippancy. No superiority. No presumption and he goes on to say that you know as he believes in immortality he says the ordinary people that you see on the street. He said In the future some of them will become such hideous creatures that you won't be able to bear them in their suffering. You would not be able to bear to look at them. And others will become creatures that you would be tempted to fall down and worship if you saw them. And that's what is at the basis of the Christian hope that we're looking at with this.

Starting point is 02:52:48 And throughout his crucifixion, as we saw the Trump administration accurately put it out in a statement, which is really surprising, because we then had a follow-up statement from Trump himself, which was more along the lines of his character. But as they laid it out, Christ paid our sin debt. And it's kind of interesting to me, you know, when you look at the different religions, there always is a sense of falling short. We know that we fall short. There are things that we should do that we leave undone.

Starting point is 02:53:21 There are other things that we know are wrong that we do in rebellion. We have sin and iniquity in all of our lives to one degree or the other. So the question is, what do the different religions say we do about those shortcomings? Especially when you look at this in light of the, you know, most people's belief that there is an afterlife, that this is not all that there is. And the question is, the other religions don't have anything to get rid of their sin. That is the hope of Christians. But there isn't any hope in the other religions.

Starting point is 02:54:00 They have a system of works. And you'll listen to them and say, well, I just hope that the good outweighs the bad. Or you'll listen to somebody like Michael Bloomberg and say, well, if there's a heaven, no doubt about it, I'm going to go straight in. Look at all the good work I've done to try to take guns off the streets or whatever it is that he imagines. So they create their own set of good works like Michael Bloomberg, gun control is going to get him into heaven.

Starting point is 02:54:25 Or things that are, if you look at them, equally absurd, right? And they create their own standard, independent of anything else, independent of anything that people have looked at. But you know, when you look at Christ, one of the things that Christians celebrate is that we, as Christians, we died with him, buried with him, and raised in newness of life with baptism, and are uniting with him. That is really what we see in Romans. Now, if we've died with Christ, we believe we'll also live with him. We know that Christ, being raised from the dead, will never die again. Death no longer has dominion over him. And you know you look at it and if that is not true, if the people who believe they are

Starting point is 02:55:11 going to live forever, and if that is like 75, 80% of the people, it really begs a question as to how then are you going to live? And what kind of a situation are you going to live? Well the politics of this, you have people focused on the politics saying what a difference a year makes. A year ago you had Biden in the White House. And Biden openly hostile to traditional morality, openly hostile to Christianity and its teachings. He made, was celebrated by

Starting point is 02:55:47 most people, is Easter Sunday. He made that Transgender Visibility Day. That's the, you know, now that's Biden, you know, we also have, so I said, you know, two proclamations. What a difference a year makes. And so, the people in the Trump administration did a very detailed explanation of what Christian belief is and what the good news about that is. But the Biden administration chose in the words of WNG.org, chose to celebrate sin and sexual disorder, showing its contempt for faithful Christians everywhere. So there's absolutely no evidence that he has, he says he's a Catholic, but there's no evidence of it, kind of like this Pope, I guess.

Starting point is 02:56:35 He publicly dishonors the Church's teachings about abortion, homosexuality, marriage. Trump chose the week to celebrate, quote, the crucifixion and resurrection of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, the living Son of God who conquered death, freed us from sin, and unlocked the gates of heaven for all humanity. Now, again, that is it in a nutshell, and they got it. But then when we look at it, there's another proclamation. So it's not just Biden's proclamation a year ago, and the Trump administration's proclamation, but then you have Trump himself putting out a very different proclamation.

Starting point is 02:57:14 This is what he does every single holiday. A very happy Easter, you weak and ineffective judges, you radical left lunatics. He just goes off on all this stuff. As MediaEye points out, it's become his custom to post wild attacks on his political enemies in order to commemorate a holiday. Especially a religious holiday. Happy Easterdoll, including the radical left lunatics, fighting and scheming so hard to bring murderers, drug lords, dangerous prisoners, and mentally insane, well-known MS-13 gang members

Starting point is 02:57:50 and wife beaters back to our country. Again, he's throwing everything he can. Even people with tattoos on their hands that say MS-13, right? Sleepy Joe Biden purposely allowed millions of criminals into our country. To the person that ran and manipulated the auto pen perhaps our real president and to all the people who cheated all uppercase on the presidential election in 2020 This highly to get this highly destructive moron elected. I wish you all a very happy Easter bah humbug The same thing he did in 2023 when he went off on Jack Smith, a special counsel. Rot in hell.

Starting point is 02:58:33 Merry Christmas. That's the real Donald Trump. That wasn't his real proclamation, but it does tell us something about the differences between different administrations. Happy Mother's Day to all, he said on Mother's Day in 2023, in particular to the mothers, the wives, and the lovers of the radical left, fascist, Marxist, communist, who are doing everything within their power to destroy and obliterate our once great country." There you Well, he can't leave that alone. So it's a very different... Biden and his message makes it Transgender Visibility Day.

Starting point is 02:59:13 Trump has somebody write a... he finds somebody in the administration who's a Christian, has them write a Christian message, and then he overrules it with that. Well, I'll just say, you know, when we look at the relationship that we have with God and the certainty that this life is short, and it is interesting that so many people understand that there is eternal life, but they don't want to really address the issue. So I hope that you will investigate it. Don't take my word for it. Convince yourself. And it is, if you look at the evidence, it is very convincing.

Starting point is 02:59:52 And it's like I said, don't take my word for it. Don't take somebody else's word for it. It's very important. You should look it up yourself. Have a good day common man they created common core dumbed down our children

Starting point is 03:00:18 they created common past track and control us their commons project to make sure the commoners own nothing and the communist future. They see the common man as simple, unsophisticated, ordinary. But each of us has worth and dignity created in the image of God. That is what we have in common.

Starting point is 03:00:43 That is what they want to take away. Their most powerful weapons are isolation, deception, intimidation. They desire to know everything about us while they hide everything from us. It's time to turn that around and expose what they want to hide. Please share the information and links you'll find at TheDavidNightShow.com. Thank you for listening. Thank you for sharing. If you can't support us financially, please keep us in your prayers. TheDavidNightShow.com Music

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