The David Knight Show - Mon Episode #2033: USS Liberty, JFK, and the Long War for Control of U.S. Foreign Policy

Episode Date: June 16, 2025

[01:04:04:23 – 01:05:28:03] — “No Kings” Protest and Historical Parallels Discussion of the anti-Trump "No Kings" protest is connected to Enlightenment-era anti-clerical rhetoric and the French Revolution, raising concerns about its philosophical roots and potential consequences.[01:13:33:17 – 01:17:14:18] — Shooter’s Alleged Political Ties and Media Bias Contrasts MSM headlines with alternative sources that claim the shooter was a left-wing activist with ties to Minnesota officials and NGOs, highlighting inconsistencies in narrative.[01:24:28:28 – 01:32:32:23] — Gold Markets and Financial Decoupling from the Dollar Explores gold's rising value after Israeli strikes on Iran, despite stagnant bond yields and dollar movement, interpreting this as a major signal of global monetary shift and de-dollarization.[01:44:26:08 – 01:48:27:28] — Veterans’ Perspective on Militarism and Political Spectacle Reads and reflects on an article by a veteran criticizing Trump’s military parade, highlighting the divide between militaristic pageantry and the reality of war[02:07:41:19 – 02:10:25:04] — First Strikes, Peace Talks, and Possible Staging Israel is accused of launching a Pearl Harbor-like attack during supposed peace negotiations; questions are raised about whether the war is authentic or staged to draw the U.S. into conflict.[02:14:22:13 – 02:17:56:00] — Osirak Bombing, Nuclear Policy, and False Flags Historical incidents such as the Osirak bombing, the USS Liberty, and JFK’s opposition to Israel’s nuclear ambitions are cited as evidence of long-term manipulation of U.S. policy by Israeli interests.[02:22:45:03 – 02:24:32:20] — Doubts About U.S. Military Readiness for Global Conflict With declining physical readiness and no national will to fight, the U.S. is portrayed as incapable of waging a large-scale war in defense of Israel.[02:36:03:07 – 02:37:29:21] — Deep-State Influence, Conspiracies, and Media Control The speaker revisits events involving James Forrestal, McCarthy, and JFK assassination documents to argue that a long-standing alliance between intelligence, media, and Zionist interests controls public discourse.[03:07:32 – 03:11:06] — Street-Level Interview and Psy-Op Speculation Discussion unfolds live from the South Bronx about the MAGA/no-kings shooter and the disinformation surrounding the case. Theories of fifth-generation warfare and media-manipulated perception dominate the analysis.[03:14:02 – 03:19:14] — Overwhelm, Not Distraction: Strategy of Mental Saturation Panelists argue the intent behind endless crises is not distraction but psychological overwhelm, tying in strategies like “flooding the zone” with insights on Stephen Miller’s influence on policy.[03:25:19 – 03:33:38] — Bilderberg Normalization and Controlled Opposition Reflection on how secretive institutions like Bilderberg have gone mainstream; discussion expands into co-opted opposition, fractured movements, and how alternative media is also infiltrated and manipulated.[03:42:43 – 03:54:55] — Impeachment Hopes and Strategic MAGA Acceleration Critics advocate gridlock and impeachment of Trump to halt authoritarian overreach; references to Steve Bannon’s own admission that MAGA must push its agenda rapidly before a likely 2026 Democrat resurgence. Follow the show on Kick and watch live every weekday 9:00am EST – 12:00pm EST https://kick.com/davidknightshow Money should have intrinsic value AND transactional privacy: Go to https://davidknight.gold/ for great deals on physical gold/silver For 10% off Gerald Celente's prescient Trends Journal, go to https://trendsjournal.com/ and enter the code KNIGHT Find out more about the show and where you can watch it at TheDavidKnightShow.comIf you would like to support the show and our family please consider subscribing monthly here: SubscribeStar https://www.subscribestar.com/the-david-knight-showOr you can send a donation throughMail: David Knight POB 994 Kodak, TN 37764Zelle: @[e-mail] App at: $davidknightshowBTC to: bc1qkuec29hkuye4xse9unh7nptvu3y9qmv24vanh7Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-david-knight-show--2653468/support.

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I'm Tony Arterburn. I'm filling in once again for the great David Knight and also Travis Knight. It's been a long time since I've hosted and ladies and gentlemen, the equipment that I have as aged, a lot like me, but maybe not as gracefully I hope. A lot of the stuff I had doesn't work anymore, so I'm running the show off a laptop and we're going to get through this. It's kind of went from sophisticated to Fisher Price or something like that, but we're going to be just fine.

I've got the legendary Don Jeffries in the second hour. I've got Billy Ray Valentine in the third. Lots to cover. Um, I saw at least two real PsyOps, uh, in the last 48 hours we can dive into today. Uh, parapolitics, precious metals, all that good stuff for the next two days. I believe we're going to have a very special guest on Tuesday. So tomorrow, um, and I'll mention him in a second because, uh, it made me laugh this morning, going through show research to see what his, it's tweet

responses to Stephen King. So anyway, I'm glad to be back. It's been way too long, uh, so much to cover. So let's, let's just jump right in. And if you're in, uh, we're streaming, I got everything set up. If you can believe that we're on rubble rumble, we're on a bit shoot live. I've never done a bit shoot live, but we're on bit shoot live today. All the David's Twitter, uh, we're on my Twitter.

We're on my YouTube, at least, uh least for now until the overlords throw me off. But let's jump right into some headlines. I saw this and it really, I think this is a, it caught my attention as a teachable moment. Let's start with this. Let's start with the Let's start with this. Let's start with the moniker, the nomenclature of the No Kings protest. Now, did anybody catch that? That was something interesting. I just heard it drop about a week or two ago.

And I started asking, what does that mean? And then finally, you kind of drill down to it. And it's an establishment, a left-wing to the supposed, you know, overreach of the Trump administration. Maybe there is overreach, but that was, this is their push, right? And it, it made me think about something kind of the, and so funny when you do this kind of show research and you start thinking on like a line of logic, other things pop up, I'll show you guys guys later like the last article I have today It kind of ties in with how I'm gonna start what in an interesting way like another point of view

but when I heard the term no Kings and this was You know a protest that was Nationwide, okay, so it's nationwide and it's coordinated Okay, so it's nationwide and it's coordinated. Okay. And it's, uh, you know, on Trump's birthday and it's the same day he has his military parade, all that stuff, the ridiculousness of that. But we're going to go into what that means. You know, there's a news week article and this is a good, we're going to lean into how this flows into the manipulation how this flows into the manipulation of information, the manipulation of news and what you're supposed to think. Anyway, no Kings, right?

And it made me think about the 18th century encyclopedias. There was, you know, this is the 18th century, like the, the edge of what you would, uh, well, it would be later referred to as the Enlightenment, and you have people like Voltaire, and you had the Encyclopedist, you had Diderot. Diderot had a quote, I read this like 20 plus years ago, but it always stuck with me. It was that mankind would not be free until the last king was strangled with the entrails of the last priest. And this is how those guys thought, you know, this was they were very anti-clerical, anti-religion. They didn't dare not be Christian in some way because they couldn't replace them,

the morals, they couldn't replace the tradition, they couldn't replace the structure of society, but they wanted to tear down what had made it. And it's always, um, stuck out in my mind because it was really the catalyst for things like the French revolution. And if you look at how just bloody and awful and godless it was, you know, and of course they, they didn't, it wasn't necessarily atheistic because they put, you know, they place the, uh, they took out all the relics from the church and places like Paris and they would replace them with, you know, images of science

or whatever they considered science at the time. And it'd be like the church of reason and other things, but it was a major bloodletting. As a matter of fact, I pulled up just for some historical fun before we get into the headlines. It's like during the French Revolution, various events led to significant loss of life. This is between 1,176 and 1,614 people were killed in September alone of the reign of terror that was from 1793 to 94 Estimate suggests 20,000 to 40,000 people were killed official death sentences 16,594 were issued this was supposed to be you know the celebration of not having a king

That's what you know they Marie Antoinette who never actually said let them eat cake, but she was beheaded and King Louis XVI was beheaded as well and there was all sorts of underlying historical forces going on there. It's not just the surface level stuff. Even Thomas Paine, who wrote Common Sense, it's like you think of him as like an ally of the Enlightenment or, you know, the throwing off of the Ancien Regime.

You know, all this, the historical forces that would produce somebody like Thomas Paine. Well, they almost killed Thomas Paine. I mean, that's how bloodthirsty they were. And it was just an accident that somebody put the wrong marking on his cell door. So Thomas Paine, you know, was over in Paris at the time, almost lost his life. So I watched that sort of, let me put this on the screen, just this Newsweek article.

I watched that sort of mindset when I hear things like, oh, we shouldn't, you know, know kings and all that. Do you really believe that? Do you really believe, like is it that really what's your, is it the basis of what your, uh, your motivation is? I highly doubt it. But let me put this on the screen. We'll just look at this article.

Just, you know, fun times to the nomenclature always makes me pause and think so anti-Trump no-kings protests that spread across the nation. Multiple groups carried out demonstrations against President Donald Trump's military parade in Washington DC on Saturday, the most prominent of which was the no-kings protest that spread to many states. Well you know to have a coordinated nationwide protest, I hate to spoil all the fun, and I usually do for politics, but it has to be funded. You have to be funded.

It has to be coordinated by an upper level management. Nothing, nothing really truly is organic, ladies and gentlemen, especially when you talk about something that gets branded in a very short period of time. You probably have Madison Avenue involved in this. You've got news outlets, and I'm gonna show you some real live propaganda. I mean, you guys have probably already seen it, but it's a lesson in mind control. we're gonna go over here in a second.

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Most of the protests in Los Angeles have been peaceful, but some have taken the opportunity to burn or vandalize property, loot, and throw projectiles at law enforcement. Trump responded to these incidents with his military deployments, but doing so against the wishes of California Governor Gavin Newsom and Los Angeles Mayor Karen Baas, escalating the situation and tensions with the Democratic leaders. Similarly, the protests on Saturday have largely remained peaceful, with little interaction between law enforcement and protesters, but as the afternoon dragged on, tensions between Los Angeles and New York City started to rise, and small clashes broke out

Well fun times right and I don't this is like a delayed reaction. We're finally gonna get What we were seeing in 2020, which you know coordinated efforts across the country flying people back and forth Dropping off the pallets of bricks. It's probably like a melding between high-level finance, intelligence, power structure, just trying to disrupt whatever we have going on here in the country so make sure we're never actually content or you know have a peaceful mindset so we can think and plan ahead.

And always gonna keep up, kind of like a military operation, actually it is a military operation, for tempo, right? They're keeping the pace ahead of you so you can never really fully grasp what's going on. They get to the next level, the next thing. And if you're not, if you don't have any continuity of what happened five, 10, 15, 20 years ago, if you just kind of go with the news cycles, then you're, I mean, you're in trouble.

And I'll show you how much trouble you're in. You go look at something like, let's look at this article. First headline of Drudge, okay? And we go through the Minnesota shooter. I just want to, I want to show you this because this is what stuck with me as being just such a teachable moment. You can show anybody like this is how propaganda is made. This is operation mockingbird 2.0 or whatever you want to call. And the fractured legacy media, you know,

and they've got outlets like Drudge, but it's the fracturing of that. And even based off partisanship, it's harder and harder to keep your mind clear of propaganda, but we'll do our best here on The David Knight Show. Let me share this screen. Let me just show you really quick the headline of Drudge, because this is what we're inundated with. He's a MAGA maniac. This goes and murders those murders, two different couples, lawmakers in Minnesota, this, you know, evil nut job and, but he's a MAGA maniac.

Right. So if you're just tuning into, you know, just going to scour the headlines and see, you know, before you actually read an article, if you want to look at what's happening, there's your MAGA maniac. if you want to look at what's happening, there's your MAGA maniac. He's a devout Christian, voted for Trump, right? That's what Drudge says. He's a MAGA maniac. I mean, so they just label him that. So if you voted for Trump or if you're considered on the right, whatever that means anymore, but conservative, if maybe you're a Christian, you put yourself in that camp.

Now you've got your own MAGA maniac. That's what Drudge says. But if you go to, I mean, just yesterday, just looking at the headlines, you know going to places like zero hedge It's pull up zero hedge. It's find a little bit warm, but that's what drudge has right there Just we're gonna go ahead and make that The news which you know, the news is an acronym, right it's Northeast West and South It's the lay of the land. It's what news is supposed to mean, right? You've got to get an accurate depiction

of the lay of the land. And so you're looking at it and say, oh, well, we've got ourselves a magamaniac here. Well, not so fast. Let's pull up Zero Hedge from yesterday. And I think they updated it, which flows together with my first article. No King's Terror. Fake Cop Assassinates Minnesota Democrat Who Blocked Health Care for Illegals. Breaking Left-Wing Dem Activists Named in Shooting of Minnesota Minnesota moderate Dems. A Democrat activist and

2019 appointee of Governor Tim Walz. This is again Vance Luther Boulter, a Democrat activist in 2019 and appointee of Governor Tim Walz, is the suspect in a targeted shooting in Minnesota lawmakers. Melissa Hortman and John Hoffman. Both are moderate Democrats. But you keep going scrolling down. Boulter closed as a police officer when he first shot Senator John Hoffman and his wife at home early Saturday, leaving them seriously injured. He then proceeded to the home of former Democratic House Speaker Melissa Hortman where he fatally shot her and her husband. Two shootings were located several miles apart in northern Minneapolis.

Police engaged the suspect in a hail of gunfire at Hortman's home, but he managed to escape on foot. Screenshots from suspected Minnesota attacker Vance Luther Balter's public linked in before it was taken down. Fourth image shows he indeed volunteered for the governor's workforce development board in Minnesota. It says Tim Walz has a lot of explaining to do. You see where I'm getting with this? Like it somewhere in the middle is the truth, right? So it's in the extreme you've got. He's a he's a magamaniac. Now the other side, it's like we're preloaded to try to keep any kind of, you know, mass shooter or defective person out of whatever desired camp, you know, we got to keep them out of that. But it's interesting. I mean, it's probably more, I think the zero hedge leans more into the truth of where we actually is.

But that's how the mind control works. But he's also running it, of course he is. This, just like, you know, mid, what, summertime, we got a year ago. We're coming up on a year since the assassination attempt, the first one on Trump in Pennsylvania. And then you have the guy that they caught in the bushes with an AK at the golf course. I forget his name offhand, but I mean, he was clearly in tied, it has tied to NGOs and intelligence and he was recruiting people from around the world, like recruiting Afghans to get them to go fight in Ukraine. And if you listen to the guy speak, I'm like, Oh, that's an operator.

Like the way that he's there's a certain mindset and dialect. And a lot of those people have that I've heard before. They also have that same kind of spirit of just war for the sake of it. It's like their, it's their raise on debt, it's their whole purpose. So they've really given their life over to it's like a deity they worship and it's like hot wars, they got to get into them. You can hear it in the people, especially if, you know, Dan Crenshaw is one of those people, like a second congressional district of Texas. He's very much like, he has a reflexive, it's painful for him to hear like anything that is peaceful or anti-war, or getting out of places

that are no-win or something like he has a reflexive physical reaction to like getting out of Afghanistan or Leaving Iraq or I've seen him answer questions on it, which is interesting. There's a spirit to it So this is what the the advanced bolter was running this international NGO is called the red lion group Reading this description of what they're supposedly trying to do reads like pure NGO fraud and this guy was trying to siphon a salary at an expense account. Well, this NGO stuff, non-governmental organization, which you know, they get international, they get 5013C status status whatever they get right back to intelligence ladies and gentlemen he was also connected to a Minnesota entity called you give them something to

eat incorporated well fun times right this is and he oh he and he also had the no Kings flyers in his car. The passport was found in the rubble, you know, this is, they leave, you know, these clues like breadcrumbs. Wasn't the, I need to dig back into. If you've been trying for a baby and it's not happening yet. We have options. IVF with genetic testing is the gold standard IVF option for women over 35. And at Beacon Care Fertility we are pioneers in this field. With genetic testing we can identify the healthiest embryos with the greatest chance of pregnancy success. Beacon Care Fertility, where science meets life. 9-11. I should do like a paratruth or series. Myself and Mr. Anderson talk about it all the time. There's just so much to break down like how great like the they left the hijackers left in the rental car like a copy of the Quran and a couple of other like detailed things, old flight manuals, stuff like that, in the

car that they know would be found. The New York Post noted that, Boulter had left behind a manifesto listing the names of 70 politicians, including Walls and his Lieutenant Governor, Governor Peggy Flanagan and a stack of paper stating no Kings in reference to the nationwide anti-trump protest but he's a magamaniac you know yeah that's but this is again real-time propaganda of the highest order. See this is like colonizing your mind. This is what it's supposed to do.

Or pick up on people who won't read any further. You're just going to be captured by that fulcrum of whatever that outlet wants you to think. That's how important it is for you to not believe anything like that. Just start with that's a lie and then reverse engineer it. Just walk it backwards. Like how much truth is in that headline? And by the way, that filters into financial headlines as well and click bait. And you got to really, that's why shows like this the David Knight show is a treasure.

And I've known David for years. And the amount of research that he does, and Travis does, and the amount of thinking that has to go into a three hour show when you're, first of all, David comes from a place of just wanting to know the truth, just wanting to seek that. And I know his character, and I've seen him and I've watched him. In the face of pressure and like the face of, we all have to go through this now,

that those of us who are trying to be, have some discernment in this world where you're trying to be the best analyst you can be, in the face of all the partisanship and the propaganda and the nonsense. Yeah, you have to watch your audience leave, which is really tough to do. You know, as a broadcaster, I've been on radio since 2013. It was my first show out of Dallas. And I enjoy radio. I've listened to radio since I was a kid. I love podcasting, I love radio, I like spoken word. I like the ideas and I know how I've

watched people that I was with you know get syndicated and everything else but I didn't believe what they believe and by the way they weren't right but that doesn't matter it's because you have to watch you have to if you stick with principle and that's why I'm so honored to fill in for David when I can and hopefully do him justice here because I know he cares so much about the truth and warning people and giving his best analysis in the face of everything that's going on and it's that's the type of, and that's just a small example of the type of psychological warfare that we're up against.

It's just like you have to clear through so much of the headlines. That's why David is such a treasure. All right, let's jump into this little bit of financial stuff. And you guys watched, and we're going to talk in this show and probably tomorrow too, but about the Israeli strike on Iran and the war pigs that want to get at the neocon automatons for Satan who want us to jump high level into a new, unwinnable unconstitutional war. Let me pull this up. Let's talk a little finance real quick. This is Kitco. Safe Haven Disconnect. And there's a reason I picked this article over like the other seven. The other seven articles that talked about why gold spikes

after the strike. And some of that, you know, it's just typical stuff that gold does, but there's something else. A safe haven disconnect. Gold soars while the dollar stalls. Conflict has once again erupted in the Middle East following Israeli attacks on Iran. Surprisingly, however, the global economy has remained relatively unshaken as financial markets have not responded in the way one might have predicted, an outcome that could carry significant implications for gold moving forward. As expected, Israel's preemptive strike triggered a sell-off in equity markets and a spike in

oil prices. At the same time, safe haven demand pushed gold prices to their highest level since April's all-time record high of $3,500. Yet the biggest surprise is that bond yields and the U.S US dollar have barely moved. Okay, that's the reason why I chose this article. That's the tell, because the system and everything you've judged on the past, you know, like again, we're in the,

it's a season of war, a season of uncertainty, you get spikes and prices, things like gold, people run into, countries run to go, we've seen that a time and time again. But the metrics and all the stuff that used to work, like when you raise interest rates, like Jerome Powell has, like you could lose the price of gold supposed to go down like it did in 2011. When there was you know, some showing some strength in the dollar, all that stuff that happened in the past,

you would see a decline in gold price doesn't happen anymore. Now you're seeing that the US dollar and the bond yields, they don't move. The gold market is ending the week with a 3.7% gain while the US dollar appears poised to close the week with a 1% loss, trading at its lowest level in roughly three years. The weakness in the US dollar is surprising given the current environment. The US economy is generally viewed as a stable anchor for the global economy. When fear rises, investors traditionally seek safe assets to preserve capital. Typically, US dollars and treasuries long considered top tier safe haven assets. Such scenarios safe haven demand typically

drives both the US dollar and gold higher in tandem. See, they're decoupling. see their decoupling. This is where you get to see like stress tests for the global monetary system. What we've just taken for granted like well today will be like yesterday because that's what the day before was like and all the rest and like you can get normalcy bias it's sneaks up on you. This is how rapidly the global financial system is changing even in the face of something in the traditionally yes the spike in crude oil prices. I talked to my good friend who's about to be over in the Middle East and travels a lot because he's in the works for a large oil company and really, really smart guy.

I talked to him about geopolitics and the price of crude and where it's going and energy and all the rest. And we're on the same page, you know, this is going to see a especially if something happens with the Strait of Hormuz and, you know, a further widening of the war, which is could be already baked into all this. I mean that's maybe what the the planners want to do. This is the opening round of Solville, whatever it is. We have to really pay attention to the headlines here and I'll be talking with Donald Jeffries here in the second hour.

He's got a new article out. I want to touch on this as well. But there's a lot to unpack. The G the point of this, this article, the reason I brought it up was the the change, right? They're subtle. It's kind of like you go back to 2022, you have Russia inv invade Ukraine, finally goaded by NATO to do that, right? They just pushed into that, in my opinion, and that was the point of it. And sanctions were placed in this massive fall in the purchasing power of the ruble. And ruble just has this freefall. All of a sudden, there's this reset in Russian financial

policy and then they talk about pegging some of their the ruble to gold or so many grams based off so many rubles and there's this recovery and it happens within 90 days but during that time, the US dollar starts to lose its hegemony. I mean, it went from high 50s in usage around the world to low 40s. And that continues to happen. That's called de-dollarization. And this is a good example. The world, and it's funny because I was talking to Travis last week, and I'd covered this like a year ago ago but they put out the article that said that gold supplanted the euro as the second held most

tiered asset reserve asset for central banks. So the euro was used to be number two. Now it's gold. Number one is the dollar. So only one more to go. Gold is already the world's reserve currency folks. So only one more to go. Gold is already the world's reserve currency, folks. I said that on tinfoil hat in December. I really believe that. It's just in name only. They're still denominated and having to do business in dollars.

Nobody's running into the dollar. Not like that. Not like it used to. It used to, just like this article said, used to be safe haven and now no longer. Yeah. The weakness in the US dollar is surprising given the current environment. The US economy is generally viewed as a stable anchor for the global economy. When fear rises, investors traditionally seek safe haven assets to preserve capital. This time, however, gold appears to be climbing alone. Over the past few months, markets have increasingly questioned America's reliability as a trading partner.

Since President Donald Trump's Liberation Day, investors have been reluctant to buy US debt, anticipating that trade war will lead to higher inflation and slower growth. The global economy has suffered trillions in losses as bond yields rose from 3.98% before April to current levels of around 4.42%. We are now beginning to see the real consequences of this erosion of faith in the United States. As fear escalates, there are fewer perceived safe harbors.

Gold continues to shine as the most attractive safe haven asset, free from geopolitical third party risk. In a world where old certainties are unraveling, gold isn't just a hedge against inflation or volatility, it's becoming a refuge from a system influx. Well that's exactly what it is. A system in flux and of course a system that is being replaced. That's what the great reset is all about. They even tell you what they even have a name for it. All right well let me go to the chat really quick and this if you'll I'm on my laptop, so much fun. I've got to go by. I'm going to send Houston out to get, I'm going to get all new, every, I'm going to get some new equipment for both Texas and Missouri. By the way, I'm broadcasting out of beautiful Branson, Missouri this morning

along with my co-pilot and co-host Beans the Brave, which is broadcasting out of beautiful Branson, Missouri this morning along with my co-pilot and co-host Beans the Brave, which is my 12 and a half pound, maybe she's a little heavy, she's had some treats lately. My Chihuahua mix who travels the world with me. I woke up in my cabin this morning, my acreage and drove in and just having a having a time looking through these headlines with you ladies and gents always a fun fun day all right I'm over on rumble it's good to see everybody that David has a very active chat there's a KWD 68 America has been involved in every war assassination civil unrest and

regime change since 1945. Yes, you are correct. Yep, since 1945. That's a good place to start. I was talking to my son, he asked me, have we had any years of peace dad like in the last 150 years and I said well from 1945 to about 1947 because at 1947 you got the National Security State that was the NSC document 68 that that Harry Truman signed and that's what gave birth to the CIA, the NSA, the Air Force, a few other entities but that was really the birth of the National Security

State and that was on the heels of Roswell and other factors that you know the Soviet emergence of the Soviet Union is an atomic power and of course 1949 you get the fall of mainland China to the communists, so No, we we even that you know precipitated Korea Let me see, there was a comment over on Rumble, you thinking we can expect another false flag attack to garner the sheepless support for another Mideast war? Well, that's my fear.

That's like the sum of all fears is for me is just getting a some sort of cataclysmic event to suspend disbelief where you know a lot of the political those in lockstep with partisanship because partisanship really is where independent thinking, where wisdom goes to die. Partisanship is where the brain waves cease and you become a cog in a machine for something else other than principle, other than what is right, other than having discernment. And it is really terrifying to watch. Especially you can see that in the, it's why I think they, like whatever MAGA is, like molding it into whatever they wanna mold it into,

it's very dangerous because you have people that, you've got Cash Patel and Dan Bongino sitting there like, you know, Epstein did kill him. So I, and, uh, we can't really release the files, but, uh, he really did. And, uh, and then you got people like, yes, we FBI is on our side. I'm like, that's, I think that's how dangerous politics is. Especially if you're like, if you're emotionally invested, like it's a sports team. Yeah, you can get dragged into a war. And if you're outside of the system looking at it saying this is not my America, this is not the

country that is not the republic that I want to serve. I don't understand this, we're gonna be in some useless satanic war, because that's what it is. I mean it's a ritualistic thing, it's awful. I can't, there is no clear and present danger to the security of the United States outside of our borders at this point, they are all inside the borders. I mean yeah, you just have to look at how foreign policy works. And if you talk about the Middle East or we have to hit a target or we have to invade or do regime chants, absolute nonsense. But you see like people like Pompeo and others like you see these talk show hosts that are you know ardent Zionists they're just coming out like oh now look

look for the terror event you know because Israel hit Iran look for the terror event in the US. You know a little known, I want to talk to Billy Ray Valentine about this in the third hour but I remember something this is funny about having a memory. January 6th 2020 there was a report that there would be a bombing and or a some sort of terror attack by Iranian terror cells sleeper cells, right? I don't how they know this is right, they just dropped this. This was an Intel, you can go look it up. This was dropped a couple of days before, but it was scheduled for the sixth.

And of course it never happened, but that's what they, they were dropping this Iranian terror cells were going to hit the U S January 6, 2020 in response to the killing of general Soleimani a year earlier. And I covered that, um, on the David night show in, uh show in Austin, building in for David. That was a big day because that was an act of war. We'd taken out this prominent Iranian official and Trump had done that unilaterally with I think drone, I think they used a drone or something like that. It was a targeted attack and the blowback from that, that's, you know, even, you know, a great deal of these terror networks if we've learned by things like Al-Qaeda,

which means the database, right, doesn't mean the base, means the database, or ISIS, or you know, people like John McCain would stand there and have pictures with people in ISIS. What we learned is that they have some control by intelligence, they can be steered for regime change or bogeymen and other things, but blowbacks are a real thing. I mean, you look at the concept, you can get the population motivated to at least aid in a bed and assist

those who would carry out and be part of that terror network because they hate the West, you know, because we've ruined any semblance of goodwill, you know, around the world. And that's really sad, because the American people aren't that way. But it's really sad to watch the public opinion, too. If you look at public opinion, that's such a good question on a false flag. They did polls. 80% of Americans or so get polled online.

They don't want anything to do with a Middle Eastern war. So why do we keep getting involved in them? It's like the, I mean, I know why, but it's the small majority of lawmakers, well not necessarily lobbyists, let's put it that way. Lawmakers are pretty much lockstep for war and crossed both aisles. But you have this like just small, you know, group of interest, special interests that push you into war and then the people are left completely out because Congress abdicated its power a long time ago. Yeah, Shield Your Eyes says radical Islam is really a myth as far as threats to abdicated its power a long time ago.

Yeah, shield your eyes says, radical Islam is really a myth as far as threats to national security goes. Yes, it is. It is. And only so much as we make it a threat. Ha ha ha. I see you in the comments. I know what you want me to do. You guys are funny. All right.

Let me get on this last article on lurockwell.com. I saw one of the comments. I may not have had this live everywhere. Maybe I can, I saw where I was supposed to log into. Maybe tomorrow I might have this up on DLive and Kick. I just saw that comment. So let me, I'll talk to Travis and make sure I'm there tomorrow.

So that's on me. All right, let me, I found this one interesting. It's a good piece over on Lou Rockwell. And we're about to be joined by I found this one interesting. It's a good piece over on Lou Rockwell, and we're about to be joined by the legendary Donald Jeffries, author of Hidden History and my friend. Always fun to talk to. You know what's funny, I never, like before I have Don,

I never know what I'm gonna talk to him about. He just shows up and we just roll. He's that good. Let's put this and you'll see where I tied into the first 20 minutes of the show. This is lewrockwell.com, a parade for Trump and it's Eric S. Margolis. This came out today. This is the last American military parade that I saw was the inauguration of President Dwight Eisenhower in 1953. It's not counting my days in the US Army.

It was a hell of a show. What impressed me most was the giant M65-203mm atomic cannon that was wheeled up Washington's Pennsylvania Avenue. I was so deeply impressed by General Eisenhower. There was no huff or puff with him. No wildly inflated claims, no bluster, no efforts to lay the groundwork for a military-run regime. None of what the Soviets used to call bonapartism. Just a real soldier who served America proud and became the finest president of modern times. I still like Ike.

But I also detest militarism and fake patriotic warmongering. Every spring, I walk the blood-soaked battlefields of World War I in France, and sick at heart by the botry and stupidity of the first great modern war. Having been a GI and covered 14 wars and conflicts as a news correspondence, I hate all forms of militarism, flag waving, and patriotic oratory." Just for a second, this reminds me of Gore Vidal who was a World War II veteran. And the way he said it was like,

no one ever said a patriotic thing. It's just an awful duty you have to carry out. I mean, it's only weirdos, like really, kinda like those operators, that operator speak, like the guy that was in the bushes at the golf course with an NGO Yeah, they love that kind of stuff Except one this is what he goes. This is funny. He said except one that he says is worth the

patriotic flag-waving oratory Francis Bastille day on 14 July. Much as I am an ardent anti-militarist, few things thrill or move me as much as seeing France's mass soldiers and firefighters marching down lovely Champs-Élysées and the thunder of hooves of the armed cavalry of the Republican Guard. What a magnificent spectacle. It reminds me of what another great president Thomas Jefferson said, every man has two homelands, his own and France. Who has a beating heart that cannot be moved by

the mighty strains of the Les Marseilles, France's national anthem which was originally called the war song of the army of the Rhine Yeah, it's the 1812 overture has that in it too Yeah, the war 1812 overture is not about the war of 1812. It's about the Russians expelling a Napoleon From Moscow Napoleon from Moscow. Bastille marked the beginning of democracy and human rights for the world. The French Revolution also brought the terror and the Napoleonic Wars, but it's still an epical moment in mankind's

history. Without great amounts of financial and military aid from France, the United States might have gained, might not have gained its independence. Today, it might still be ruled by the same bunch of nincompoops in London who have brought Great Britain so low. Well, in many ways it is because you have the banking institutions and CFR. Ironically, Francis' gross overspending on supporting the American Revolution led directly to its own revolution in 1789 that overturned its monarchy, all which is true. This week, we'll see a newly-minted military extravaganza in Washington whose real purpose is to glorify a president who avoided military service in Vietnam due to a questionable foot problem. As a veteran, this fake, triumphal parade leaves me feeling unwell.

Militarized politics, just what recent past presidents have avoided. I had been accepted to a PhD at Britain's Cambridge University that would have kept me out of military service but in an admittedly quixotic act I enlisted in the regular army to serve in the infantry in Vietnam. Fate kept me in the US teaching senior officer strategy and tactics but I had at least done my duty as a citizen. In retrospect Vietnam was a lousy unjust imperial war but I had served my country which had given new life to both my parents. I limped through

Army Basic and advanced infantry training with a broken bone in my left foot unlike our current commander-in-chief. I wish the government would spend the estimated 45 million earmarked for this ego fest on wounded veterans." You know, you find this a lot. I like this article. And you find this a lot in people that actually went through military. It's like you have this push-pull

between just being absolutely disgusted with militarism and being disgusted with the pomp of it or this blanketed glory of whatever battlefield. Speaking to a friend of mine the other day, I was talking about a book that I loved written by a World War two veteran it's a well-known historian named William Manchester and It's it's called goodbye darkness

So he's reaching he's about my age or a little bit older at the time So he's you know getting up there and he decides he's gonna go back to the battlefields That he fought in the Pacific as a Marine in World War two And he's flying over there. He's retracing his steps And it's just haunting, you know Cuz he's going through reliving a lot of the stuff that he went through as a young man And I love that book because it really is not you know painting some picture about really is not, you know, painting some picture about

glorious things were or whatever, but you still have the pull of being proud of certain things and seeing certain things or you know the the value of the fighting spirit and others. So you really had it really is a push-pull and I like the the subtle jabs because I do not like militarism either, especially in the face of we literally have like multiple PsyOps going on. Who's funding that? Side note, I was with Melissa on Saturday and we had an event at our gym here and just outside of Branson and I asked she used to look at tweeting something and you go look at her she's a Moark Wild Woman on Twitter and she asked Grock like who funded No Kings and

it doesn't answer it never answered like three different tweets who funded it? Which is always the what you should always ask first Who funded it? Where does the funding come from? That's? That's always the case right as we we just get the the effect but not the cause All right Let's go over, I had this pulled out, this will make you laugh, just a little bit of levity this morning, hopefully it's still up there. Oh no. Let me see if I can find it. I just, I think the Twitter reset. Oh, that's unfortunate. Let me see if I can pull up Charlie's

because we're gonna have the great Charlie Robinson on tomorrow, host of macroaggressions, author of the Octopus of Global Control and the Control Demolition of the American Empire. I may have to just paraphrase it. I may have to paraphrase it. Oh, yeah, I lost it. Oh, I lost the tweet. Anyway, there was a tweet up by Stephen King talking about different myths.

And, it's too good. I'm going to find it. Hold on. If I can just type it in and find Stephen King. It was just so good. If you want a good laugh. And courtesy of Charlie, by the way. It's so funny when you find something you like and then it's hard to get it back. Yeah, okay. This is what Stephen King said. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but there is no Santa Claus. No tooth fairy. Also, no deep state and vaccines aren't harmful.

These are stories for small children and those too credulous to disbelieve them. And my friend Charlie Robinson replied, you sound vaccinated. Oh, Charlie. I look forward to having him on. That will be fun. We'll talk about that tweet and more tomorrow. Let's go over some, I like to go to gold telegraph and see what gold telegraphs got going on. One of those fascinating stories of our time right now is that if you look at the, and we all talk about the Federal Reserve and the creature from Jekyll Island and you know, it's tentacles and it's control and all that. Do you realize that the Federal

Reserve Bank, it posts losses in the hundreds of billions. I think it got up to like a 900 and some odd billion dollar loss last year. And I, I guess I just find that fascinating because the people that make the money lost money, just so much fun. I, you know, that's the kind of, and of course they don't put it that way on financial, it's gotta be very complicated. I put this on calculators, algorithms and all that. It's not that complicated. You lost money and you make the money.

You literally make it out of nothing and you lost money. I just. Crazy. And gold approaching 3550 in US dollar terms we put this up let's look at some gold telegraph headlines always fun great account over there let's see why we're waiting for dawn just a few more minutes we'll have the great Donald Jeffries over here but yeah there's a this is one of a great stories and I'm seeing this I've actually looked into this,

I've posted this before but it's worth highlighting again. This is a gold ATM in China. It melts the gold and transfers the amount corresponding to its weight to your bank account. Gold Telegraph says the future is calling. These kind of things I think are, when you start to see gold, I mean it is already getting there and I have two gold and silver locations and I promise you like the urban gold mining is starting to go on. People are going to

garage sales, people are going to thrift stores, people are finding and that's true of silver too. I mean with silver past you know $36 an ounce there's gonna be silver urban silver mining as well and you can get in on that if you make some extra money that's a making extra money by just being you can sell it to me like if you need help now you want to learn how to you know buy a little bit of gold like put an ad out that you buy gold and you know you can do that and it's a great way to to make a little bit extra or go buy gold and you know you can do that and it's a great way to to make a little bit extra or go find it yourself you know like just go hunting and pecking it's fun. He says sometimes I think about the term gold bug and

how people mocked anyone serious about gold is crazy. Now it's the world's second largest reserve asset and a key piece on the geopolitical chessboard. Says, today with everything unfolding, it's almost reckless not to pay attention. Well, that's true. And what's weird is that the traditional legacy finance and everything, there's so much that's going to get left

behind. And that's why I think I've been watching this really closely and then on the other end of the spectrum another part of my business which is Bitcoin you have BlackRock and Larry Fink and all these people these big players these hedge fund people slowly and I don't want necessarily slowly on BlackRock's part but some of the other wealth funds are looking at Bitcoin and you see all these treasury companies popping up. I just we're hitting a gold's part of this silver's part of this but it's we're hitting an era where there's you know moving away

from the fiat experiment you have to understand like that's an experiment in 1971 Nixon goes off the gold standard, takes us off the gold standard, closes the gold window, so we have a free-floating fiat currency. That's an experiment. The average lifespan is about 26 years in history. They all go to zero. We can't go to zero.

I mean, the lights go out. So they have to do something. But they can't continue just to print. Because that's just debasement into oblivion. I think there's going to be some sort of new Breton Woods agreement, maybe like the Mar-a-Lago or courts. Somebody will do something if we still lead. It might be the Bricks Nations to do it.

It might be another, we might just be so distracted by cultural Marxism and mental illness that we can't get anything done anymore, which would be terrible, but the world's going to reset the monetary system and it'll have maybe a basket of commodities, might be something based on Bitcoin. It has to change though though and the inverse is really the only option because just expanding the bubble and maybe that's where stable coins come in and it's where the danger of a backdoor central bank digital currency as well but that's what we cover over on the Ardorburn radio transmission so go subscribe to my show if you can we're gonna be coming up with a new show very soon

on geopolitics, precious metals, Bitcoin. Gonna be a weekly thing. I'll let you know once a week. We're gonna announce that pretty soon. Working on it. Let me see if we've got Dawn yet. Not quite. Mr. Jeffries likes to jump in Right at the last minute he's a lot of fun

Hmm I was gonna go back to the check on the comments As free-thinking Florida moms on my exes, there are solutions to this nonsense going on. David has interviewed Dr. Shiva and the application of system science is a way out of this slavery to a broken system. Please revisit this with him. I don't. Yeah. When's the last time he's been on the show? You guys can get him back on. Nibiru 2029 said if you own gold today, the government will own it tomorrow. Let's hope not. That's why that's why I don't really. My thing we already have a gold standard ourselves. It's almost like when the government itself gets involved with gold and silver, when they get involved with

the monetary system, when they get involved with owning the currency, I get skeptical. Because history doesn't show where they've run it that well. Actually, there's no example. And if you look at the history of the world, it's involved with owning the currency. I get skeptical because history doesn't show where they've run it that well. Actually there's no example and if you look at something like what happened in 1933 and this is where you're you're have some wisdom here in your statement is that it became illegal for you to own gold in

the United States. It wasn't until 1974 Gerald Ford I think coming up on Christmas Eve made it in 1974 made it legal for you to own gold so all that whole time we were on a gold standard you know in the 1933 and onward it was illegal for you to own gold. Yeah, I need to get my chat as healthy as David's chat. Let me go back and check and see if Don's here yet. There he is. There's Mr. Jeffries. Donald Jeffries.

Hey, Tony. Good to see you. It's been a while. Yeah, it's been a while. I'm getting Tony? Good to see you. Yeah, it's been a while. I'm getting an echo. Are you? For me. Yeah. Okay. Do you want to try coming back in? It might be just your audio. You want to try to reset and come back in? It should be okay.

Sometimes we have to do this. Sometimes we have to try to reset it and come back in, should be okay. Sometimes we have to do this. Sometimes we have to reset the audio, folks. That's what you do when you're your own producer. I need to have a Travis or a Whistler. How about now, Don? Okay, now I still hear it. Really? Yeah.

It's just an echo when you speak? Yes. Yes. But not me. No, not you. You want me to try clicking on click again? Yeah, maybe try that. Yeah, I'm not so sure why you would have an echo, sir. Okay, okay.

Alright folks, stand by. We'll see if we can get Don back in here. If not, we'll see if we can power through it with his Echo. That's really, when you try to do shows and you can't, like it's hard to hear yourself too. I've done that and it's pretty maddening't, like it's hard to hear yourself too. I've done that and it's pretty maddening. So I don't want to drive Don insane. Okay, okay. Is this working?

Still? I'm still hearing. Well, I can still do it. I'm just being distracted. Geez. Well, have, you know, if you wanted to, you could go to, wonder if you could do the audio just off your laptop by itself you wouldn't have the headphones but I mean you just have a different different kind of audio or you could do it on your phone done Yeah, if you wanted to try that yeah, yeah

Let's try this Change the setting here again. I don't think it is. Yeah, I think your USB mic is, I believe, is plugged in. Yeah, I can't hear you there yet, Don. This is like me every week now. Right now, right now. No, I still have it. It's bizarre. This is like me every week now with a right now.

Right now. No, I still know. I still have it. It's bizarre. I get it. Yeah, I can't. You can. Let me just let me just try my answer.

See if people see if people can hear me. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Because can people hear that? Yeah, I can hear you done. You still get an echo with that. Do you really? Okay, okay. Can people hear that?

Yeah, I can hear you, Don. Do you really? Yeah, yeah. Maybe you can text me. See if you can try it one more time with your USB mic since I stopped the screen. See if that helped just making sure and if not we'll I'll figure it out okay okay do you do you want me to text it to you though I mean yeah, I guess. Okay. Let me see. Let me see what I can do.

Okay. Sorry about that. That's all right. You want to, here's, here's what I'll do. Uh, you stay out when I, I, let's see if you have an echo when I remove my microphone, see if you still have an echo. Hello. How are you?

No, I don't have an echo now. All right. Hello, how are you? No, I don't have an echo now. Alright, cover the show really quick and talk about your new article that's up on Lu Rockwell. I was going to talk about your new show or new article that's up right now and then I'll send you a link and you can come back in through your phone. Okay, okay. Well, good to see everybody out there. I'm seeing there's people in the chat here. I hope you guys should be able to hear me okay now. I don't know what's going on here, but they, I seem to get these problems a lot. I have it. I don't, I don't know.

Maybe it's part of a shadow ban or whatever, but yeah, I, uh, I hope those of you who are not subscribed to me on Substack will do so. It's Donald Jeffries at Substack.com. It's called I protest, just like my weekly live streaming podcast on these same fine platforms from 5 to 7 PM Eastern. You can go there. My latest one is about the Mostly Peaceful Protesters, which I guess turned out to be pretty much a big nothing and kind of juxtaposed against the military parade, which I think kind of unfairly, it was kind of a strange

coincidence that it coincided with Trump's birthday, but it was actually planned before that. It was a, oh, somebody's saying they still hear an echo. Hmm. Okay. Hopefully not now. Let me know in the chat if you can hear an echo now. Yeah, it should be gone now.

Because I can't hear it anyway. But you know, so that was really a military thing that was planned It's still pretty stupid. I think and it's not a good look. I'm not sure why Why you would want to sell it to so much? celebrate the military at this point, maybe when You know, we're getting ready to go into World War three. Oh good to hear it's gone. Thank you for your thinking But and that was kind then you have the theatrics that Trump and Stein think where Trump is seemingly bragging and complaining both, bragging about how great his crowd was for the big army parade as opposed to the big nothing burger of the

no-kings rallies. Of course, the other side is saying that a Trump rally was a big nothing burger and that he's mad and he because the no kings rally had more people. Who knows? I don't know. I think they're both pretty stupid. Yeah, I just want to say it again. It kind of illustrates the problem we have with these two poisonous left and right paradigm where we're looking at on the one side you have what's supposed to be the answer to the

craziness of the woke left. And that would be Trump. And as I said in my article, it's as if I was right about the Trumpetstein project. And there's a director off stage that is telling Trump, okay, now we want you to do exactly what people think Hitler would do. Because that's what it was basically. I mean, he's sitting there saluting the tanks

and everything. It's just ridiculous. It was not a good look. But, so again, that's, and I will definitely be addressing, I'll be writing in the next couple days, I'll definitely be talking about the Iran-Iraq,

the Iran-Israel conflagration, which it's very interesting that once again, there's no question that it's unequivocally Israel started this. They struck first, and yet they're probably still using the same defense that Israel has a right to defend themselves. Defend themselves for what? that Israel has a right to defend themselves. Defend themselves from what? You did, and not only that, but I think they ticked off even people, certainly ticked off a lot of people in the MAGA movement. Marjorie Taylor Greene is lost now.

She had a beautiful tweet out there where she was saying, this is really stupid to be supporting Iran and everything. But, I mean, to be supporting Israel at this point, but they did this in the middle of what we're supposed to be peace talks. They were, they were supposed to be, you know, negotiating peace and Israel launches a Pearl Harbor type, uh, attack. And then, and then they wonder, and I, how much of this is real? I don't know. There are people out there believe this is

all staged. I had Susan Olson on my show yesterday. Those who don't know, she was Cindy Brady on the Brady Bunch. She's a good friend of mine and very awake and she's always a great guest. But she was one of those people who kind of believes maybe the stuff in California was staged. And she was talking about, you know, a lot of people think that these videos are from a previous date, that they're not live. So who knows? I mean, she lives in California. She's not necessarily near there. She's not in Los Angeles, but she said, I didn't see any signs of it.

So who knows how much of this is scripted and theatrical, but all we know is that when the dust settles, as always, I don't make any predictions. I'm not gonna be like Alex Jones and come on, they were closer to World War III than we've ever been. That's pretty much every show for the last five years or so. But I'm not going to do that because I don't know.

They've been holding back on this, thank goodness, for a long time. I hope they continue to just use the fear porn. But I get the sense that I could be wrong because they could come up with a Pearl Harbor type false flag that will convince the masses. Remember back before Pearl Harbor, American public opinion was dead set against us entering the European war, World War II. And you had lots of the left was involved in the America First movement, which is I loved when Trump used to say America first.

Now, he hasn't said America First for a long time. Make America great again, that's not the same thing. America First was definitely a shout out to that movement, which was a great movement. It consisted mostly of left-wing people, classical liberals of the day, who most of them had their careers ruined by Franklin Roosevelt and the earliest example of cancel culture that we can find. But so, you know, here we are, are we on the brink of World War III? I don't know. But I do think that it looks on the surface like Israel may not be quite the match for Iran by themselves.

You know, it's like this is a, you know, This is a boxing match and they stepped in the race with Buster Douglas against Mike Tyson. Buster Douglas is knocking it down. I really think that because it looks like, again, to whatever degree this is real, then it looks like they're inflicting some damage on Israel and giving at least as good as they're getting and So Clearly Israel is calling for our big brother us, you know I don't mean big brother, but I mean aren't the big brother that always defends them against the Arabs who just have a Have the impoliteness, you know The chutzpah to basically object to them being in their midst there

and taking over this land and being armed to the teeth. I mean, we've created the third most powerful military in the world in Israel. Israel's about the size of Rhode Island. So without us, they are nothing. And I'm not saying I want that to happen, but they would have been overrun by all those angry Arabs a long time ago without us The only thing that has kept them afloat is our military technology Our military assistance when we need be and that right now apparently they need more they need and you know, well Trump

Do you have any confidence Trump is gonna stand up to them? I don't know. Maybe if I was Iran, I still hear it. You want to go ahead and try off, I texted you the link on your cell phone. You want to come back in Don? Gotcha. Gotcha. Okay. I'd hate to cut you off. You're doing so good, but I wanted to ask you some questions. No, no, no, no problem. Thank you. Thank you. All right, we'll wait for Don to come back. Yeah, this, I was thinking of just while he was speaking about the history of, you know, Israel and the wars that it's been in, and it really is kind of a counterintuitive thing, but you think of terrorism and you think of the Middle East and the PLO, but that's not really what threatens Israel.

What threatens Israel is nation states. You go back to 1967 and the Six-Day War, and that's where you get, that was at the same time at the USS Liberty, you know, trying to bring that in through a false flag operation, trying to widen that because Israel was on the brink of losing its nation state. I mean, it's losing its sovereignty because the Arab states around it were pushing for its destruction. Same thing in 1973 with the Yom Kippur War and that just happened to find a very inebriated Richard Nixon holed up in the Lincoln sitting room getting very angry that he had to

deal with that at the same time as you know his presidency was taken apart by Watergate and the deep state. And he decided to, he just basically, drinking Johnny Walker Scotch, told Kissinger and others that they better let the Russians know, let the Soviets know, and of course their counterparts in Egypt, that if Israel is is invaded that he'll drop the big one. And that's pretty much what saved Israel. And then there was some flights and other things. But he, you know, he used some, some military aid and some rush things in there,

but it was really the threat of US intervention. So Don is absolutely correct in that it's a long lineage of Israeli foreign policy in the U.S. being unfortunately joined at the hip. Let me add Don to see you. How do we sound now Don? Okay. Nice, nice. I still have an echo. Are you on another device? Let's see if you're still logged into your other computer? No, I left it there. That's bizarre.

Well, you know what? Here's what I want to do. Don, I want you to come back in on the computer like you're comfortable. Let's talk about...I'll just hop off the stream and let you finish. Because you're making so much sense. I'll just join the comments. You want to do that? We'll put Professor Jeffries back in for the rest of the hour.

I'll jump in the chat. I'd hate to... that I was we'll put professor Jeffries back in for the rest of the hour you guys go well I'll go I'll jump in the chat I'd hate to I know it's hard for me to even do shows if there's an echo like that so I understand it why don't we just do that keep talking about go back back to your article thank you sir all right we'll do that ladies and gents we're gonna wait for Don Jeffries to pop back in and then these are the fun times of the technical difficulties that everything updated. As a matter of fact, and not that this is boring,

but like the last three times I tried to get into the David Knight show, like just Roadcaster or whatever wouldn't comport with Zoom. It'll work on Zoom calls, but not this show. And then I couldn't hear them and then last week They couldn't hear me said do it on my phone so fun times We're working on it Anyway, but that's the don's absolutely right and

You know look at the the history of it and then I was thinking of was it night. It was 1983 I could be wrong about that. It was close to that. It was Osirak, which the Iraqis were working with the French on a nuclear reactor. And the Israelis just blew it up. And the reason is because they don't want nuclear proliferation, even though they were proliferating

nuclear weapons. So through us, by the way, it's another, and Don can speak to this about the Israeli Prime Minister, Begin, you know, was in the 1960s with nuclear proliferation in Kennedy. But this is, the US and the Israelis have a long history, unfortunately, with intertwined, not mutual interest, by the way, not at all mutual interest, but very much intertwined foreign policy.

And that is the rub. Let me put on Don and I'm, Don, I'm just gonna let you continue. I wanted, I was gonna say, I talked a little bit about the 1980s military strike by Israel on Osirak, which was the Iraqi nuclear facility that they were working with the French to put in, and the Israelis just blew it up. I talked about the USS Liberty back in 67 with the, it's kind of a false flag to pull the US in, or Lyndon Johnson covered that up, but also the nuclear proliferation. I just threw that out there.

So all this, you know, with, with Bagan in the 1960s and Kennedy. So anyway, I'll let you, I'll let you go and finish and I'll be in the chat with you. Yeah, yeah. Keep me on target. Keep me on target. I appreciate it. I appreciate it. Okay.

Thanks. Thanks very much. Thanks to Tony for understanding. And I'm sorry, I can't believe that he thinks my voice is coming out of Tony's hand. So it gives it, I don't know, I don't know what it is, but it's really bizarre that it was working on, the same thing, I was having that effect on the phone as well, but anyway, I think it's,

what I find amazing at this point is that for the first time in my life, you really have more and more talk about Israel's getting more criticism in America than they ever have. The entire left is, and that's why I haven't heard, maybe you guys have heard more because I don't watch mainstream news, but I'm getting the impression that the left doesn't seem to care quite as much about Iran as they do about Gaza. And they should care about Gaza.

But I would like to see, and I dare Gavin Newsom on the, I'm not saying he's going to pay attention to me, but he was, you see him on Twitter, he's adopting this tough guy mode now. He's out there and he's going to kick Trump's butt basically is what he's saying. And he's acting like this tough guy. And so I said, Hey, you know, Gavin, uh, um, show us where you're really courageous. Condemn Israel's first strike on Iran. Condemn that and then condemn the guy, you know, that you can't stand Trump.

Condemn the fact that he's supporting it. I've heard that he's done that. I don't think he will, but, uh, but if the left does do that, if the left now starts condemning, because they seem to have been restricting their criticisms of Israel to the treatment of the Palestinians, which is certainly true. They should be criticized for that. And who knows how many people they've killed in Gaza. And you can see the wreckage in Gaza.

It's obvious it's something horrific kids have in there. So they should be criticizing that. But I'd like to see them criticize overall ties with Israel. And not just because it's an apartheid state or whatever, you know, stuff that they want to frame it in woke terms, but because it's an artificial state that was created. And I guess that's why I go back to the beginning. I'm with the Arabs, you know, that said in the beginning. in woke terms, but because it's an artificial state that was created and against, I, that's why I go back to the beginning. I'm with the Arabs, you know,

that said in the meeting, I think we need to look at this, uh, from the very beginning. And that doesn't mean, you know, that, that people in Israel, every human being has a right to exist. Of course, they have a right to exist, but that doesn't mean they have a right to exist there. You know, we all have a right to exist, but if you decide to, you know, I'm going to take over my neighbor's backyard because, you know, my religious philosophy says that, you know, this was my land originally and I want it. You're not going to get very far. Nobody's going to sympathize with you. So at least of all the neighbor that owns that yard. So you just can't do what they did and expect no Reaper.

And it's amazing that, um, there hasn't been a world war precipitated out of that before this, to be honest with you, because this is, you know, that seems to be one of the culminations of world war two. What happened afterwards? Well, Zionism was born not only the Cold War and the Iron Curtain over Europe, with suddenly our allies, Uncle Joe Stalin, then suddenly they became the Habakkotlans. We had to fight them indirectly, of course. That's an answer to a trivia question for those of you

out there. The only world leader that ever confronted the Soviet Union directly on the battlefield was Adolf Hitler. For what it is, just as we never did, we never confronted the Soviet Union indirectly. We had proxy wars in Korea and Vietnam, certainly, but we never did anything to them, just as we weren't about to do anything to China. I think we're seeing a little bit of that American attitude. Well, I don't know if we're, you know, we've been picking on these third world countries, they can't fight back. And Israel has a little bit of that attitude too. And

they may be looking into Iran that looks like Iran can fight back. Again, to whatever degree, this is legitimate. This could all be theater. We don't know. But I do. Maybe I'm wishful thinking, but I think that because of the world we have now, America 2.0, you've got the generation of youngsters in America that would have to serve. I mean, Bobby Kennedy very memorably, I assume he's corrected, he studies this stuff, and I think he's accurate,

said something like 70% or maybe over 70 percent of draft age, if they reinstituted the draft because they'd have to if they had a world war, service age Americans would not be physically or emotionally or mentally. They would have some kind of issue that would cause them to be 4F or whatever. They wouldn't be able to serve in the military. So I don't know that you could form an army. I mean, I don't, I hope they're not going to go for, you know, truly old guys like me or something. I'm checking.

I threatened to go to Canada back in Vietnam. Luckily I barely missed that. And so, uh, you know, I'd have to go to Canada then I guess, but, um, I don't, I don't get the sense that anybody. and I think against because of the left, especially the base of the just a common voter is fed up with Israel. It's mostly the past. But I don't think that you're going to get the left support on this at all because Israel has become one of their bogeymen, clearly. So I don't think they're gonna, you know, they're gonna send their kids or themselves

are gonna go and fight for Israel. It's just, it's so obvious. And especially when the way this started, where, you know, Israel fired the first shot and I heard Alex Jones and others, you know, apologize while claiming they're not apologizing, but they are apologizing for Israel, saying, well, Iran attacked Israel a while back. Okay.

And I don't know the nuances of that, but I'm sure Israel attacked them first. That would be my guess. And so this is the problem that when you have, it's basically a rogue state out there. And it's, I don't know that we've ever had a nation like that in the history of the world, that it's a parasitic state where it feeds off the lifeblood of another state. I don't know what kind of industry Israel actually has. I don't know, but they depend so much on our lifeline that I think if we just finally

cut them off, they'd be like a trust fund kid. This trust fund kid, trust fund was cut off and okay, now you got to go figure out how to deal with the world. I don't think they could do it and I think they would be overrun. And I'm not saying I want that to happen. I don't want anybody to be hurt, but it clearly, it doesn't look like there's any way to cause, you know, Jimmy Carter tried in the seventies,

you know, give him credit for that. He was the closest thing to even hand it in the Middle East we've had since JFK. As Tony mentioned, you know, JFK was involved in a very heated war of words with David Ben-Gurion, the original president of Israel, at the time of his assassination, just coincidentally enough. And people can look at that the way they want.

I don't think Israel was the main trigger man behind the JFK assassination, but it looks like there was some kind of involvement because the recent JFK font releases, what we saw is that all of the formerly redacted items, virtually all of them had to do with Israel and give Tulsi Gabbard credit for that. There's something that she, uh, she got rid of the redactions and I don't know what there's, you know, there are people who go deep down the rabbit hole and say, uh, they want people to know this for some reason. This is something maybe they want the anti-Jewish sentiment. I don't know because you're getting that if you watch YouTube, especially the black YouTubers now.

Jason Whitlock, and it's amazing if you Jason Whitlock is part of the Blaze Network, that's Glenn Beck. And Glenn Beck has been on the air saying how committed he is to Israel. It's his favorite country and he's an American. He's not Jewish. But so you wouldn't expect to have a Glenn Beck. That's almost like being on the daily wire with Ben Shapiro. But Jason Whitlock says whatever he wants. He interviewed, uh, Michael, is it Michael E. Jones? Who's very much has the views of David Duke.

He interviewed him and he Whitlock openly talks and smiles and chuckles and talks about the tribe. I mean, I sit there and I just, I can't believe this guy's doing this, but I don't know if it's because he's black. He's allowed to. And if you look at kind of a more humorous note, if you look at the Hodge twins who are again, but yeah, they're not intellectuals, but they have good you know, they have good kind of common sense. They're like a lot of people I worked with back in the days who know a lot more than Ivy leaguers in terms of what's going on street level smarts. And, uh, they've had David Duke on there and they have, uh,

but they talk openly about Jewish power and mock Israel and everything. Again, they've got millions of subscribers. Mark Dice, I was watching the video for him yesterday. I don't think Alex Jones is going to invite him back on anytime soon. He is very, very openly, you know, anti-Israel and skeptical of the power the Zionists hold over American society. It's great. This is wonderful to see that at least a large portion of the—and even Tucker Carlson. I think Tucker Carlson said—what did he say? Of course, it wasn't anything that extreme, but he kind of said something like, we should not be involved at all. You know, what Trump should say. I can't remember exactly.

People probably read it, but the idea that somebody that mainstream is doing it, I think we've reached a point where I don't think they're going to be able to sell this. Maybe they don't care, and they'll just, they don't claim if they can sell it or not, and they'll just come out and be as tyrannical as they want to be. I hope that all these other skirmishes between Israel, Lebanon, Syria, Iran, Iraq, all the litany of enemies that we become involved with, because it just happened to be something that, the enemies of Israel, and Israel's worried about them.

And that's, they've captured an entire foreign policy. And when's the last time we, I mean, you can argue Trump, some of the things he's done go against the Israelis. And he's certainly trying to, off and on, it's maddening, but he reaches out an olive branch to Putin all the time. And I don't know if you heard recently, he recently, and this is one of Trump's great suggestions that you'll

probably never hear again. He said, hey, let's have Putin be the intermediary and broker piece between Iran and Iraq. Can you imagine that? But that's what Trump suggested. I don't know if he'll go along with that. He'll come up with something else the next day or something. He might say, let's let Ben Shapiro do it. I don't know for all I know. So I think when you have this pro-Zionist, obviously, that run things in our society and our government especially. And you have more and more obviously an anti-Sinema sentiment against the people, especially when you have that left,

which is so supposedly run things. When you have Greta Thunberg, I mean, I thought it was interesting that people like James Woods, it's just a lot of interesting stuff, but he's in the boat for Israel. All these guys are in the tank for Israel. But they all started making fun

of poor little Greta Thunberg. I mean, we all kind of chuckled and made fun of her, because how dare you? She comes from a major acting family in her country. I know that's hard to believe, but clearly she was, as Jason Whitlock says, she was installed. They installed her for a purpose on climate change, but was that by accident she went off the reservation and now they're trying to

reign her in when she started talking about Israel? Or was that again, part of the script, but she, wasn't she arrested or something by the Israel on a boat? I don't, I haven't kept track of it, but I know she's, she's been ridiculed by, um, you know, even some of the people that used to like her because now she's, you know, she's not talking about climate change. And Tony here, this would be the question if you could hear us in the high or the common,

the high water mark for right wing Christian Zionism is passed circa 2014 and declined now, but it's still very dangerous and oppressive to America. First idea. Yeah, I would say probably has to. And, uh, but it's still very dangerous and oppressive to America from a side of the aisle. Yeah, I would say it probably has too. And I think that's the only thing that keeps it afloat is the fact that these people, and again, I don't wanna offend anybody listening, whatever, but if you look back at the history, the rapture and Christian fundamentalism,

it's, what is it, maybe a little over 100 years old? I think it's the Schofield Bible or particular Bible, that I've heard, certainly not in the Dewey Reams Bible, which is what I have. It's an old Catholic Bible. So I think that a lot of that, because that's the only way you can sell this. What Israel's done from the beginning, and Tony mentioned Menachem Begin, who was a, if he wasn't a terrorist, I don't know what was, he participated in blowing up the King David Hotel. Redditors were his morning. Lots of people were killed and they just, they glossed over the stuff.

And this is probably what got people like James Forrestal murdered. And maybe Joe McCarthy too, because James Forrestal was a term in secretary of defense. And he was probably the most high profile critic, old Joe Kennedy was too, JFK's dad, probably the most high profile critic of Israel saying, this is really stupid. And he was Secretary of Defense. So you were going to get too far in building Israel with the Secretary of Defense like that. Before he was actually the first Secretary of Defense. Before that was Secretary of War. He was the first modern Secretary of Defense. But as people may or may not know, he ended up supposedly jumping from a window at Bethesda Naval Hospital. Most of us think he was pushed. Joe McCarthy certainly thought he was. Joe McCarthy was his good friend. I quote this all the time. I do it on Rents. All the Rents

loves it. I think it sums up the conspiracy we're facing better than anything else. And that's James Forrestal supposedly told McCarthy at one time, because they were good friends, you know McCarthy, if there wasn't a giant conspiracy, once in a while they'd make a mistake in our favor. And I think that sums it up perfectly. Once in a while they'd make it, once in a, there'd be something random. There'd be something, like a Trump would come along. A renegade billionaire that couldn't be controlled

or refused to be controlled would come along. That was what sold me to Trump. Roger Stone, when he was the first prominent person, that's when I knew maybe I had something that didn't history in my first book because he contacted me and said how much he loved it. And, uh, and he ended up writing the forward to the paperback. So, uh, good or bad, his name's associated with mine. Cause his, his, his name's on the cover of my far, my best selling book. But, um, he was telling me, you know, Trump saw this stuff, uh, you know, behind the scenes he's, he's been making his money and,

and that made sense today, that you would make money, you'd play the game. In his early rhetoric, Trump would talk about that. He'd say, you know, I took advantage of the bankruptcy laws, which he still made fun of. And it's true, he declared bankruptcy 10 times or whatever. But that was a good strategic move for somebody in his class, because the bankruptcy laws are built for people like that. And people don't know in Barack Obama, the man of the people, he changed the bankruptcy laws during his administration to make it harder for average people to declare bankruptcy. But the, you know, the,

I think chapter seven, maybe is what most people use, but whatever, uh, Trump and his old views, that's still there. That's still allowed. But Trump, it made perfect sense to me that he would be at cocktail parties and checking out all the young women, which is what he did, and just biding his time and saying, you know, I got kids, because I think what we feel to do is when we demonize people,

we think that they're these devils and they don't like, and that's what made John Kennedy so great in that American university speech and we just passed the anniversary of that, that 62nd anniversary at American university. And he was the first American, the first world leader, I know, who's to see his enemies in human terms. And he talked about, at the time, the Russians were our enemies, now ironically they are again.

But he said, you know, they breathe the same air we do. They cherish their children's future. And I don't think any, like in World War II, you can't imagine Roosevelt saying, oh, you know, sure, we're fighting the Germans, but they cherish their children's future. Most Americans wouldn't believe they were human enough to even care about their children.

And so I think that's why we look at now when something like that, somebody like a Trump, I mean, no matter what you think of him, I haven't heard anything really that he's not, that he's a horrible father or anything. So maybe he cherished his children's future too. Not that they, you know, they have much to worry about, but maybe he looked at that and said, Hey, I want, you know, I want to bet. I don't want everybody.

I made my money and they're set financially, but I don't know. I obviously didn't look like that was true, but that's what Roger Stone was telling me. So if there wasn't this monolithic conspiracy to stop people, then you would have, or you go back to Ross Perot in 1992. Ross Perot seemed more genuine than Trump, obviously, and he wasn't talking about all the issues Trump was, but you had the basic sense, hey, something's wrong, and certainly we need to stop the trade deal so we don't have the giant sucking sound.

And he was one of the most important people that were trying to. He said he has a private team over to try to rescue POWs and MIAs. It got completely forgotten issue. We just left them there. And who knows how many died because of that. But Perot looked great. And I was skeptical at the times. They said, you know, Larry King's interviewing him and all these people. It's like, you know, you're going to run for president. It's like they wouldn't do that to a real outsider. But he sounded great. All indications

were he was a real nice guy in person. And then he suddenly drops out of the race when he's heading the polls. And that, you know, did they have a conversation with him? Was he legitimate? And did they take him aside and say, you know, this is over. You might, you're not going to be able to win. And then he jumped back in belatedly. But jumping out, he lost enough support. So instead of, you know, he lost about half his support because in most of the polls he was, he was ahead most of the time in like the high thirties percentage.

And then you had a Bush and Clinton trailing behind in both in 30 some percent. And, um, when he came back in, he ended up getting 19%, which was still the most, uh, the highest amount since Teddy Roosevelt in 1912, whatever it was. And is something that's possible, but we never see any randomness. So when Forrestal told McCarthy that, he was exactly right. We don't see any randomness because we know, I mean, Thomas Massey, it wasn't random that Thomas Massey, by far the best person in Congress, maybe the best person we've had on a lawn a long time, you know, gave that incredible interview to Tucker Carlson, where he talked about Israeli influence and he talked about AIPAC and he, he did it with

humor, but obviously it didn't work. You know, you can joke all you want, but you don't joke about this stuff and he talked about he was the only Republican in Congress He didn't have an APAC babysitter. He didn't have an APAC handler APAC is the Israeli lobby and it's you know, it controls Congress obviously and Boy, you know after that interview it was less than a week his wife suddenly died His wife was in great shape early fifties. They had just taken a vacation with the grandchildren. And I still have not, I wrote an article about Substack on Substack at the time, but I still have

not heard any explanation given for her sudden death. Now to me, into my amazement, Massey didn't suddenly become a supporter of Israel. He was one of those who boycotted Netanyahu speaking to Congress, and he's still speaking out. So it didn't shut him up. But I have to think that those two events were unfortunately connected. But you would have more people like Massey. Because let's put this, let's say people know my heroes, those of you who know me know my

political hero is Huey Long. But somebody selling, you could take Huey Long's speeches word for word and have a charismatic figure come out today and that would be so appealing to the masses. I mean, you're talking something like selling the sizzle. That would sell. Lisa Douglas used to say on Green Acres, hotcakes, that would sell very easily. How could people not be receptive to that? Because you would get a cross section of the left and the right.

You would get true populism. All those people out there in the working class that are not getting raises anymore, they've had their pensions taken from them, but are still required to pay, you know, pensions of all these, uh, civil servants that have, you know, sometimes six figure pensions very often has six figure pensions that would really resonate with them. You know, why, why don't, why, why, why we have to keep making the sacrifice. We have nothing that we can sacrifice. But no one's done it.

Nobody in Huey Long's family. I mean, there's not a single member in that. I think it's because they can't. Because they try to. I mean, I've thought people have mentioned to me running to Congress many times over the years. I've thought about it because I'm pretty sure I could sell something to the people. But the problem is neither party would let me.

And you can't, if you're not, Tony knows that better than anybody when he tried to run for Congress. If you're not part of that two party system, unless you're somebody like a Ross Perot, that came out of nowhere and for whatever reason, you know, was getting interviewed by Larry King and you saw what happened to RF Kennedy Jr. He wanted to be an independent, even though, what happened to all those polls that have RFK Jr. with well over 20% early on? No one's explained that, and suddenly, what happened? How did he have all that support, and then he didn't? They just don't want any.

Pat Buchanan, wonderful, he was selling some great stuff, 1% in the polls. So that's what they would do. Somebody like me or somebody came along, another human, they would just use those pre-election polls which serve no purpose other than to manipulate the vote. And they would have, they would claim that, this guy's got 1%.

And then what happens is most people say, well, okay, I'll go to my second choice. This guy, Lindsey Graham, like that. They find somebody that was higher in the polls, in these ridiculous fake polls. So that's why for somebody to think that this, for not to believe that this is just one giant conspiracy, everybody says to me, you think everything is a conspiracy. Well, yes, I do. Because we're run by conspirators.

It's so predictable. Peace never happens. Something good never happens for the big. Trump was talking up the infrastructure. But the Democrats talking that too. I don't see, as I'm driving around, I live in one of the richest counties in the United States. And I see how the condition of the infrastructure

is in here. The other night, the power went off for an hour and a half or something at night. It was just rain. Our lines are underground. That never happened 50, 60 years ago. Just didn't. We regressed because we haven't updated the sensors in our power grids, which are made in China.

You really need, it's an accident that our leaders can't realize how irresponsible that is. They don't realize how important the infrastructure is. I mean, we have a great infrastructure upgrade under Eisenhower, the national highway system. One of the greatest achievements we've ever had. And we're still living off it, but we don't do anything. So I'm driving around my area, which I don't do that often. So a lot of times there are months between where I'll go to a particular place and I'll say, oh, well, this

road work hasn't progressed at all. And all I see is lanes closed everywhere, people in hats standing along the side of the roads, apparently not doing anything holding up slow or stop signs. And I, I don't see any actual work being done ever. So I, I, I just claim it's perpetual road work that never gets done because I never see, I never drive out and say, Oh wow, this road's really cool now. No more potholes. Doesn't happen. It's perpetual road work. It never gets done. And again, I think it's, you can go back, you talked about conspiracy, you go back to Charles Dickens, one of my favorite writers, and he wasn't necessarily that political of

a guy other than just advocate for the poor, but in reform, classical liberal. But in one of his novels, he made fun and he talked about the men who know how not to get it done. Now this was 1850ish. We're still being run. talked about the men who know how not to get it done. This was 1850ish. We're still being run. That's the incompetence part. You have a stew that the Americans and the world is being subjected to.

You have the corruption, which everybody sees, everybody knows that. We have the incompetence. The incompetence factor is that. The men who know now women, the men women, they, them, whatever, they know how not to get it done. It doesn't get done. And they know how not to get it done. So anybody that tries to do something, they block it.

No, no, no. And they'll come up with a reason why you can't do something good. Now, if you need another billion for Ukraine, then that happens. That gets done right away. Israel needs anything, and that's what you'll see. If Israel wants it, I don't think they're going to stand up to Israel and say, no, sorry. You got on your own. Now, we're kicking you out of the nest. You got it. No, they're not going to

do that. So again, I think that this is... I know I'm all over the place. If you haven't listened to me before, this is kind of what I do. I kind of have a free flowing form where I kind of rant back and forth and tie things together from history and I don't know. Some people like it, so hopefully you guys do. And again, I'm sorry I've had to take over the show here

but with my ridiculous echo thing, but at least I don't have the echo now. I don't think there's any way to explain how the wrong thing always happens. The Fireside Theatre also, I like to quote that all the time, they used to say, everything you know is wrong. That was their credo, long forgotten comedy troupe from the 60s. Everything Americans know is wrong. That's why when I'm writing my hidden history books,

you know, people who are, the people that read them are always like, wow, this is amazing. I mean, I knew, I'm not making anything up. And most of this stuff is hidden in plain sight. It's out there, it's very easy to find. So you wanna know how, you know, how, especially with people fighting over free speech now, and most Americans probably not believing in free speech anymore.

We know neither side does. The left doesn't believe in it remotely. There's a million things they don't want you to be able to say, and they'll claim it's hate speech. And the right doesn't want you to say anything attacking Israel or Zionism, or they'll claim that's hate speech, and they want to outlaw it. But if you look back at the history of this, they'll say they put an asterisk on the First Amendment during World War I. And that was when

Woodrow Wilson was throwing all the World War I protesters in prison, and he used the precedent of Abraham Lincoln, our secular saint who is, I think, our greatest tyrant, but when he was throwing all those Northern prisoners in makeshift jails and suspending the writ of habeas corpus, that's what Woodrow Olson used as precedent. Took it, Eugene Debs, the great socialist leader and others took it to the Supreme Court. Oliver Wendell Holmes, the great liberal benefactor,

he still has a great reputation, but in reality was a eugenicist like all these, Wilson and all these other liberals were, and was a warmonger who never saw war he didn't like like all those establishment liberals at the time. Holmes ruled in favor of Wilson. And that's where the phrase you can't yell fire in a crowded theater came from. Now there's probably not one in a hundred million Americans that has any idea of that. I didn't until I was researching the book. That was before Chris Graves and Peter Sikos came along

to do lots of my research for me. So this one I had to do research myself, but I couldn't believe that. I said, wow, that's where that came from? And I thought, and I've said many times, no matter how you, even if you can come up with some kind of justification, he was using

that to justify putting anti-war protesters in prison. So however you look at it, protesting a war is not yelling fire in a crowded theater. And yet you tell that to him and they'll give you a blank look, just like you try to explain the banking system to him. Under the fractured lending system, it used to be you only had to have 10% reserves on hand. That means 10% real money. So I just imagine you and your buddy, I don't know if I'd tell Tony, hey Tony, you're doing well, you're doing great, with this gold and silver thing you've got going on,

can you lend me some money? And Tony, if he uses the Federal Reserve model, if he was able to do that, he would say, well, sure, okay. What do you want? How about $1,000? And Tony would only have to have, what, $100 to do that under the old system. And now, according to Ron Paul and others, he wouldn't need any money. I don't think there's any fraction.

So if you can explain the difference between that and counterfeiting, let me know. But so the obviously the individuals out there, especially all the people that are struggling, the 77% of Americans that are living paycheck to paycheck, imagine, you know, being able to just print money. That's why these 3d printers, I don't know. Has anybody thought to do that? They claim, I don't know how that works. I can't, how do you print? I mean, I worked with printers, you know, and how do you possibly, how does a gun come out of a printer? I don't even have

that, but that's what they claim you can do. So to me, if I don't look at it, I say, Hey, let's, let's, let's use the federal reserve model. Let's print some money here. And, uh, you know, that would just imagine what that could do for people. They could print their own money, but, uh, obviously they would, that would be, uh, they would be met own money. But obviously that would be, they would be met and treated far differently than the Federal Reserve Bank. And in hidden history, I think it was,

I have a quote from the person that, if you doubt that, how that system works, the Federal Reserve, the guy that ran the Federal Reserve Bank in Boston back in the day, he answered a question, and I said, yeah, that's true. We do lend money we don't have. So just think of that. Our system is built on this. This is Tony's wheelhouse. But I try to tell people that. And I think, again, they don't believe it, because it's

incomprehensible. They could not possibly believe something that ridiculous because they've all, we've all seen counterfeiters and went back to the G men and J. Edgar Hoover, you know, going out to the counterfeiters. These are bad guys. You know, I remember Fred Flintstone and Barney Rubel had a counterfeiting thing going on one of their episodes back in the day. So it goes back to the stone age, but, um, you know, people recognize you can't do that yet. Our entire, what a joke, our entire banking system is built on that. But you, if you try to tell people, they just give you that look. And I, again, they don't, I don't think they believe that the average normie doesn't believe

anything I say that, that, because even if I can cite the source, that I can, I try to source everything I have because it's, you know, as J. Edgar Hoover said, it was one of the all time great conspirators, but he was talking about the communist conspiracy, but it applies to everything. When he said, Oh, the average citizen just cannot comprehend evil. This, you know, this, this, this large, something this monstrous, this big. And that's what, when we're, when we're trying to talk about these things to the average person,

especially if, you know if they're doing well. Anybody that's successful in this system, how are you going to sell this to them? What are you talking about? Get a job, buddy. Go get some skills. That's their favorite thing to say. Learn some skills. Okay.

Or the AI. Don't worry about the AI and the low-priced H-1B visa workers and the illegal immigrants. Don't worry about that. Just learn some skills. That works for 20 percent of the people. I call this casino economy. People know the casinos work. Twenty percent have to win.

Eighty percent have to lose for 20% to win. That's how the casinos work, and that's pretty much how our economy works. 20% win to one degree or another, varying degrees, and 80% lose to one degree or another. The bottom 50% are really losing because they make less than $28,000 a year, and that's growing with every new migrant that comes in the country. They're entering at the bottom. That's why it's destructive to any type of first world economy, but I don't think

we have a first world economy anymore. So Tony, I'm hoping I'm not droning on too much. I'm kind of all over the place. People are, you said you're getting a history lesson. You're getting a hidden history lesson here. So you've, and actually believe it or not, they did let me, I don't think, I don't know if I'm even employed there anymore.

They took away my emails, I'm probably not, but for several years, three, four, five years, my county adult education program let me teach a course on the JFK assassination. First it was the JFK assassination. And then it became, they put me in their movies courses, which was even easier. And I just played Oliver Stone's JFK every class

and just would stop it and comment on it. I said, you know, this is easiest money I ever made. Talk about a labor of love. But COVID, you know, like it killed so many other things is the easiest money I ever made. Talk about a labor of love. But COVID, like it killed so many other things, that kind of killed that deal. It was only once a quarter. I made even less from that than I do from my books, and that's saying something. It wasn't a big moneymaker scheme, but it was nice. But even then, when I did that,

that's the subject, that's what I can lecture best on. If I'm gonna lecture on subject, I know the JFK assassination inside out. I started in the mid 70s working as a teenage volunteer for Mark Lane, most prominent critic of the Warren Commission. I know this issue better than just about anybody or as good as anybody.

But I put together a PowerPoint, uh, you know, presentation I thought was great for this class. And, but every one of my classes was always have very few people because you know, not that many people. And it was, you know, I think they were charging 70, 80 bucks or something in which I thought was outrageous, but you know, I don't control that. Uh, so I can see why people didn't, you know, want to pay that, but pay that. But to listen to some thought criminal like me talking about it, but I would always get one of the people, and then almost all the time there'd be one.

It was almost like they were placed there. There would be a lone nutter. And no matter what, it frustrated me. At first it really frustrated me because I said, look, I can't put together a better presentation than this. I can't put together a stronger argument. And yet I can't convince this guy. A lot of times it was a young kid and I would say, and what do you do? I mean, if you, if you, if they just keep, they're ignoring everything, you know, because I'm putting the crime was never investigated, you know,

talking about the bullet holes were too low and all in the, in, in the clothing and the autopsy face, you know, all these things, the condition of the bullet, all these things that are obviously great evidence, the chain of possession problems, and they just, they don't believe it. They believe I as well did it. And I don't, you know, I can't believe that these are all people that are part of some kind of conspiracy. So you're dealing with that kind of mentality. And unfortunately, even the JFK assassination feel that at the height back in the 70s, maybe,

I think it was 90% of the American public believe there was a conspiracy. And now it's like 60% or more. So that's the impact that the right wing has had. And even though the Magorite type all believe, you know, that JFK was killed by conspiracy, there's enough there. And also the woke left as well. They've done a damage on Kennedy's reputation. So a lot of people don't care anymore. They say, well, yeah, you get killed,

but who cares? And it was no good. He was a womanizer and keep having sex with all these movie stars while he's almost dead all the time. And He was too unhealthy to be president, but he was having nonstop sex with movie stars and Nazi spies and all. They come up with anything and they're, oh yeah, JFK did that. Consorting with the mafia while his brother, Attorney General, was the only one ever to be rounding them up and trying to prosecute them. So it's, um, and so when, when you have that kind of smear campaign against somebody, so eventually it gets to the point where the people don't care with you.

Who cares? He wasn't a good guy. Cause you think of somebody that was killed by conspiracy, you're thinking, well, this was a heroic figure. And that's why when you come to the Trump assassination, whatever it was, you know, whatever that wasn't, again, millions of people, that's why when you come to the Trump assassination, whatever it was, you know, whatever that was, and you get millions of people, that's where, look how far we've gone where we've had such a rabbit hole element now, the Sandy Hook factor where you've got millions of people who don't think that Trump assassination was real. And I, you know, there's a lot of elements to it.

It does look pretty fishy, but just imagine that even 15 years ago, it would have never been the case. And of course, Trump doesn't help with his personality. It's basically him and his people are just cash Mattel and sitting there saying, well, there's nothing to see here, while he's saying Epstein killed himself. And it's like, I don't know that the MAGA movement can ever recover from that because at some point they're going to have to confront that.

Probably the most obvious conspiracy of modern times is that Epstein didn't kill himself. That's pretty much, I would say probably 99% of the public believes that, but we're supposed to believe that except for the people that could do something about it. Then you have Dan Manginos in it. Yeah, I've seen the file. What file have you seen, Dan? The missing evidence that was taken from Epstein's safe in his mansion?

And they tell you, oh, we can't find it. It's like the original Apollo moon landing. Can't we? I don't know where they're at. It's right there with them. I don't know, man. We can't find them. Or, no, Nikola Tesla's papers that, you know,

Uncle John Trump, Donald Trump's uncle was sent by the government. They're all missing. They're all together somewhere. I don't know where they're at, but we can't find it. And people just say, okay, that makes sense. We can't find it. Sure. Why wouldn't you? You know, the original Apollo moon landing tapes are important. Probably tape the Super Bowl over it or something. You know, why would you keep that? That doesn't make any sense. And something like the Tesla papers, it's just free energy and earthquake machines and all this great stuff he was working on

and nobody else apparently supposedly has ever been able to since. But yeah, we don't need to see that. There's no reason to see that. And now Epstein's whatever's in there. It's like he's, and I've said, Jelaine Maxwell, I think she should be pardoned because it's unfair that she was convicted of sex trafficking minors to no one

because they didn't announce anybody she trafficked them to. If I had been a defense attorney, I would have said, Your Honor, they haven't produced a single name. Who did my client, can you tell us who she trafficked these young ladies to? Well, no, we can't. We can't produce. She's still in prison there. How many subjects have I covered here, folks? Talk about my new book I'm working on, my book on sports, which is going to be my most controversial one yet. When do you read that, folks? That one won't be, I don't think I'll be able to get a publisher for that because I'm

going to be talking about the racial dynamics in sports and nobody, nobody has ever touched that. So that's where we're going with that. But so it's, and I've seen think Tony Odomen says I sound great. So I don't know, I have any, and I hope, certainly we all hope for David to come back soon. I know, I don't know much about it, but I know when I've been listening to it recently,

Travis and Son has been on here. So it's great. And you have, obviously Tony's filling in. And I think Jason Barker and Karen Carpenter filled in one time, if I heard right. Good friends of ours. But so at any rate, that's, I pretty much summed up, I summed up the world and had a great,

but I think you need to look, especially something like Israel, Israel, you need to look at what we're seeing. It's front and center. People need to understand the history. Tony mentioned the Liberty. We go back to the, you know, certainly the founding of it and how even after the King David Motel terrorism incident,

no, you know, people didn't stop, you know? You had people like Forrestal saying, look, we can't, this is mad. But they did people like Joe, old Joe Kennedy. And if you look at one of the great letters and I, it was going to include it as an appendix in American memory home, my latest book, but it's a letter from a 22 year old JFK. And it's an incredible letter. And if you want to know why I love JFK so much, read that letter because he is so astute. And he is so mature.

And he, this was from like 19, late 1930, 1940 or something like that. And so it was like eight years, seven, eight years before Israel became a country. He talks about what a disaster this was. He analyzes the situation. It's a letter to his father, who is well versed on the subject

and was one of the early critics of Israel as well. He talks about how this is mad. It's not going to work. This is why history is important. You go back not understanding JFK's feelings and where he came from, from his father. His father, old Joe Kennedy, was also one of the behind the scenes, one of the first critics of the Federal Reserve.

This was a banker. He knew how ridiculous it was and it wouldn't work. Again, but they don't tell you that. They come up, they make up stories about the mob and all kinds of stuff like that, which were all lies, CIA and mafia lies. But this letter, if you read that, it tells you, wow, this guy really had something. And so later when he becomes president, it's natural that he was getting in a war of words with Israel behind the scenes about them developing nuclear weapons.

It's ironic because now you have supposedly Iran on the verge of developing nuclear weapons and they've been on the verge since 1979. It's been the last thing for them. We've been right there. We've got to do something about this since 1979. And I don't think it's any accident that JFK was the last president to stand up to this role. No one has. Jimmy Carter was fairly even-handed, but JFK stood up to him and said, No, you are not to develop nuclear weapons. And then he was killed. So, you want to say that had no way um, part to play in that. I don't know

Tony are we going for another hour? I'm not sure how they were We still got the echo done Okay, uh, no, I don't have the echo now I don't know No, okay. I worked on a few things while in a great segment by the way. I just I wanted you to keep going I worked on a few things in a great segment by the way. I just I wanted you to keep going I like the I like the stream of consciousness That's the way I do my shows Probably just learned a lot by watching you So I go into that whole cycle kind of going back and then tying it in a bow at the end

So he did magnificent sir. Thank you People like that look I saw the numbers going up, so I guess people are listening. So that's good. Yeah, it was a good history lesson. And you know, that's you can use history as a guide as you do for the future, except there's so much with the technocratic age that is something, you know, Harry Truman said the only thing new under the sun is the history you don't know. That's generally true, except for now with the leaps in technology and AI and blockchain and other things that, you know, could be great, could be, it's kind of like a weapon that can be used for good or it can be used for evil. And I often have that, the historical sense, but it's hard to make heads or tails anymore, Don. I mean, we kind of, you know, you go back to the political

influence and I'm on my, because we're going to, this is the future. Like we're going to be talking a lot about the Israeli lobby and AIPAC and the influence that it has on our government and our foreign policy and back. Gosh, you remember this Don, you go back to the 90s and I mentioned this before, but you know Pat Buchanan just on the McLaughlin group just in an offhand comment said you know nobody is talking about desert storm. So this is like 1990s like nobody really supports the hot war besides the people over at, I think it was like some defense contractor in their amen corner at APAC.

Yes, amen corner, yeah. The amen corner. And I thought that was great. And so that was cutting edge back then. And you were quickly disposed of if you were anywhere near like just saying, hey, there's this very powerful foreign nation lobby that it's made up of Jews and they're going to push you into a war and that's okay. Right?

Like on my bookshelf, I've got a book from the 80s called None Dare Speak Out. We've talked started talking before. Yeah. Representing Paul Finley. Yeah. Yes. And that was, again, that was cutting edge. What I see now, and I want to get your opinion before Billy joins us.

What I see now is that there is a, like I put in my comment, I think the high water mark was around 2014. I see a massive decline in that being raining people in. Like you had the Ron Pauls and you have Thomas Mass. These are outliers, but there will be more who, even with trends like you see Tucker Carlson talking about Zionism and political Zionism. So I think it's very healthy that we have this conversation. Obviously you can, you know, in this

country you can have that opinion that that Israel is more important than America, especially a lot of, I grew up in the South and the Christian Zionism is really strong and I didn't get that when I got back from, you know, my tours and especially I got home from Iraq and I did not understand the viewpoints of people that I went to church with and others. So it's like for me, I had to get rid of that part of my past and Christianity to me. I had to jettison that so I could have a relationship with Christ. I could get past the political aspect

of it because it was not to me it was you know Christian Zionism and the that idolatry like you see the waving of the Israeli flag with and and John Hagee's church down in South Tech. I mean it's very idolatrous and it's so antithetical like I mean I was like, I'm trying to find it in the Bible here where Jesus wanted me to like support a nation state to bomb people. I can't find it. But that's what you find. And like the play, it's kind of a, but it's a dead end. And I think that history will show that those of us who were skeptical to be like way back and like you and I mean, just when I ran for Congress, I had to go meet with AIPAC. They make you go meet, like if you don't meet with them, you're, I mean, and they didn't

know what to make of me. They had somebody come in and take notes. I had a lot to say about demography, had a lot to say about foreign aid, you know, and things that they had not been a proponent of eliminating foreign aid to countries that burn the American flag. They wanted to support foreign aid for everyone. I thought that was interesting. We got Billy here with this as well. Let's put him on. We got Billy Ray Vow. He's out. You're out. You're walking the streets. Can you hear me? I can hear you.

Yeah, yeah, excellent. I didn't know we were gonna get a cameo. We're gonna get like a real, Yeah, where you want me to be. Night show, you're walking the street. I figured it'd be a good idea to let everybody see the South Bronx for a little bit, you know, since it's not fully exposed to the world, you know, everybody has a, you know,

preconception of it. Well, we're going to walk the streets of the South Bronx today while we're doing the interview. What's up? What's up, guys? What's up, Tony? It's good to see you, good to talk to you. How you doing? We're doing great. I'm happy that we dispelled the echo.

We had an echo with Don for some, and I was able to adjust some settings. I think we're okay now. What's up, Don? How you doing? All right, so it's like American Plug back, huh? Cause you know, I get people asking me what's going on with American Plug.

So here's your kind of an unofficial American Plug, I guess. Right, right, right. What's up, Tony? We're gonna plug this back in on Saturday. What's going on, Tony? I just wanted to get your take on, you know, I had the first hour, talked about the No Kings protests, I talked about the MAGA maniac who's the left-wing activist. I looked at just the high level of propaganda in the news cycle last 48-72 hours, thought that was interesting. Don and I were looking at

the geopolitical ramifications of Israel doing a preemptive strikes on Iranian targets and all that's going on there, but I just want to get your feel, get your spotty senses. What are they saying? Who's the Magamanian? Is that the guy that killed the representative? The Minnesota lawmaker? Yeah, that's such a weird thing because Drudge has it as the MAGA maniac and

then Zero Edge has him as the no-kings shooter. Yeah, he worked for Tim Walz. Didn't Tim Walz appoint him? That's weird. It's like, I think that's just kind of where we are, Bill. You don't know mind control. You understand. Well, this is all fifth generation warfare. It's my way of explaining all the nonsense that's going on, all the probable psyops that are going on. It's fifth generation warfare.

These people have left the old playbook behind. They're not operating the same way they used to They are colonizing the minds of the people us included so when we have a Maga shooter or whatever they're calling them the Maga maniac or the no Kings Shooter whatever like it's something different for both sides. You know, both sides believe something different about the guy. Um, there's a lot of disinformation going around, and that's just the nature of what we do now. The disinformation is a real thing. We have to try to weave our way through it.

And in all actuality, there's no real way to know what the truth is. You know, yeah, the guy worked for Tim Waltz, right? But his neighbor said, or his roommate says that he listened to Infowars religiously, which I can believe. You know, like, what needs to happen to a person? How much does a person need to be radicalized in order for something like this to happen? So I can certainly believe that he used to listen to info wars, or he still listens to info wars.

That's what his roommate said. And then he was also, if the footage is correct from what I saw, he was also a preacher in a church talking about how the Democrats got demons in them. You know, so, you know, we get to this point and people die. I've been saying something similar to this for a while. I think we all have that we keep pushing this rhetoric. People are gonna die. People are gonna get hurt. And that's already happened on both sides

because of the fifth generation warfare that they're running on the people. I'd like for us to get back to a place where we're like, okay, it's different. We have different ideas. We disagree with one another and that's fine. It's fine to disagree with one another, but we're not going to say that the other side is vampires, you know, kid traffickers for the most part.

If you're going to say that, if you're going to say they're kid traffickers, let's have some proof of that, right? If, and if the only proof we have is Epstein, we got Bill Clinton in there and we got Donald Trump. So we got both sides, right? We got MAGA, MAGA is very well represented in the Epstein side. And then we got Bill Clinton and we got Prince Andrew and all these other scumbags that went

to that island to do whatever the hell they want to do. You know, um, but beyond that, the rhetoric that has taken hold in the alternative media and you both of you guys know that I've been slowly trying to climb my way out of this is mostly fifth generation warfare. It's propaganda. This is what they're doing. This is how they generation warfare. It's propaganda. This is what they're doing. This is how they win elections. This is how they perceive, I mean mold reality.

It's a different perception of reality for everybody depending on your views and depending on what bubble you live in, what news you're getting because everybody has a tailored newsfeed, pretty much. You know, if you're on Instagram or something like that, and you're clicking on a newsfeed, they're gonna keep feeding you certain things

that are similar to what you watch often, and keep giving that to you. That's on purpose. It could be for marketing purposes, but it can also be for mine colonization and social molding, you know, which is there's evidence for that all over the place. They've admitted this. So I think that's where we are with this, you know.

Can I believe that this guy went out and shot people? Yeah, I could totally believe that because he probably thinks he's saving the country. You know, like Michael Flynn said one time, and big shots to David Knight if he's listening. God bless you, I hope you're feeling better. Shouts to Travis. You know, but Michael Flynn gave birth to the digital warriors. You know, he's like, oh oh you're digital warriors you are in

the battle with us this isn't a battle that excludes you we need you to participate in this battle and people are invested in that fashion so nope i wouldn't be surprised in the least bit if this guy did i believe this guy did it you know but people it's the alternative media you know so people are gonna say oh he's a liberal or he's whatever. Like I, I don't subscribe to that at this point in time. I don't believe there's enough evidence besides him working for Tim Waltz. And his roommate said that that was something that he just did for the community. He just did this for the community. Um, I don't know. I, I, I don't know. I tend to believe, especially when info wars came around and David Knight would know a lot about that

And so would you Tony as soon as as soon as Info Wars came around I was like, ah, man I could believe it because the Nonsense that comes out of that filth rag of a operation is Incredible and and people believe it. I believed it for many many many many years. Um Thank thank to the Lord God that uh that I don't believe it at this point that I, I'm probably caught up in some other way, but I'm not caught up in that one. And I'm very happy about that. I found it interesting.

I want to get Don's take on this too. Um, I, as far as like him being a maga maniac or a left wing activist or whatever, I found that to be interesting that he had the markers of both. And you look at the shooter Crooks in Pennsylvania, that kid, whoever he was, when they went to his house and everything was cleaned and hermetically sealed and all the stuff, he was both. And like he had like both ties to, and same thing with Lee Harvey Oswald and others like the Congresswoman that was shot and Don you off the top of my head I don't remember her name but her husband Gabby Giffords?

Yeah, Gabby Giffords. Yes. And I was thinking of Gabby but I couldn't remember. I remember that guy was the same way like he had the his that shooter was like is he left wing or right wing? He has all the things. And I think that's interesting that they just use these and I don't know if it's they but there's so much mental illness anymore, but it was a it was a Coordinated hit, you know, like this was premeditated. It was

Really bizarre. So anyway, just something interesting to look at when I don't I'm with Bill I think it's fifth generation more fits but this is a more on your mind and you see both sides are eager to you know dispel or say that well that shooter was from this this camp or that camp but they like make it both like the guy had no Kings flyers in his car right you know the same thing so it's just interesting and he had a manifesto all these people seem to have a manifesto That never jives with me if I'm going out to do anything like that. I'm not writing it down

It's like I'm not making a list and leaving it there for people to find like this guy had a list of Democrats that he wanted to kill I think I I think Tim Walz was one of them. If I don't quote me on that, but from what I remember, I think he was one of them, you know, but all of them have a manifesto. I don't get that. I mean, that's not what I would do if I was doing something like, it's like OJ Simpson, you know, what I would do if I committed the murders, you know, but I, I, I don't understand.

So that's the part that makes me skeptical. I am, you know, a conspiracy theorist, a conspiracy analyst at heart, no matter how hard I'm trying to get out of the freaking rabbit hole. I still think, you know, you see something like that, and it's going to raise alarm bells like what, why are all these people, why do all these people feel necessary to write this down? Maybe it's a medical condition that I'm not aware of, but it raises alarm bells for sure. Well, did you take part? What part of the float and the parade were you in in Washington, D.C. this past weekend, Billy?

Oh, man. The one that resembled North Korea most. I don't know which one that was, but no, I was not there. But I heard that it was a disaster. I don't know. I mean, to be honest, I expected more from what I saw, from the footage that I saw. I expected more uniformity. I expected, I don't know, it was just very Black, like even for a military parade, like Donald Trump is doing it, you would think it would be all, you know, like a very awe-inspiring thing or something, you know, because he has such a pompous personality.

But no, I mean, that's another thing, you know, all these things that are going on, everybody's another thing, you know, all these things that are going on. Everybody's trying, everybody's thinking about what's this distracting me from? You know, like, what's this distracting me from? What's the issue here? I think it's important that we realize that all these things are going on, maybe not to distract but to overwhelm. You know, you have the wars we have in the Ukraine,

and of course what's going on in Iran with Israel. You know, we have Donald Trump causing all types of distractions. You know, we have this military parade, and we had the no kings parade all over the nation. You know, it was crazy. So everybody starts to automatically think what's it's what is this distracting me from?

It's I don't think it's, I don't think it's meant to distract. It's meant to overwhelm. It's meant to overwhelm. This is per Steve Benning. It's flooding the zone. This is the strategy just, and I know he doesn't have much control over the Israel thing,

so that popped off. But anything else that's going on with Trump or in that world, it's meant to overwhelm. They're hitting you with everything they possibly can to overwhelm you. All of these things are important. What's going on with money is important, and what's going on with our civil liberties is important. All of these things are important. They're not, in my opinion, they're not meant to distract. They're just meant to overwhelm you to the point that you can't do anything about it. You know, that's why I think Stephen Miller is the de facto president of the United States. I think he's literally setting things up for Trump and Trump says great because he tells him he has a

nice head of hair or something like that. And he's a very dangerous individual. And he twists, he uses pseudo law. He uses semantics in order to change the law into something that will fit whatever he wants at the time. So that's being thrown at you actively. And that's admitted strategy on behalf of MAGA. It's an admitted strategy. This is psychological warfare at its finest.

And it's never been more evident in my opinion than it is right now. If people don't see it now, I don't know personally how to change people's minds or how to make them realize that we're all being manipulated here. But it's being admitted by the people that we look up to, not that I look up to Steve Bannon, but I'm saying there's people that do, you know, or in the MAGA movement. And even, you know, on the left, these things are it's it's it's all mental manipulation so there's that no I didn't go to either of

the parades I didn't go to the to the um no Kings parade even though I would have if I wasn't doing anything but my wife had set something up for me and if I said no I'd be in really big trouble. So I had to skip the parade. But I certainly wasn't going over to DC. If I did go to DC, I would go see the pandas, you know, at the zoo, not for the parade. Well, last week on my show, before this latest cycle kicked off, I talked about whatever the,

again, it's like the headlines came up and it was just kind of a political nonsense story. And I said, what else is going on? And I talked about whatever, again, it's like the headlines came up and it was just a political nonsense story and I said, what else is going on? I talked about Bilderberg. Bilderberg was happening this last week. As soon as Bilderberg's over, Friday the 13th kicks off and now we have a whole new war. That's true. It was the next day.

Yeah. It kicked off. to to I live in the upside down, you know, it's like these terrorists aren't gonna win. I'm like, Ian Carroll put out a tweet I thought was funny, Gareth, I reposted this and it was made me laugh and it was like, I just threw a rock through my neighbor's window. Please pray for me as I have to endure their regret. You know what, I think it was Ted Cruz that said something similar. That he was like, pray for Israel, pray for Israel, we need you right now. You know, I'm like, didn't they? They were the ones that struck Iran, right? As far as I know. And he's like, pray for Israel.

Like, where are we living? What kind of 1984 stuff is this? What's up, sir? That's how politics and that's I think the upside. Another great tweet was Gareth Icke and he said, like the upside of all this is now we get to see who's on the Epstein client list. Whoever supports this, it's on the Epstein client list because it's so blatantly anti, it's anti St. Augustine of the, of the idea of the Christianity is just war. It's preemptive strike. You saw that in Iraq. That's very third Rikish. That's, you know, like a preemptive strike is against the, uh, all principles

of sound warfare, all that stuff. It's not, uh, by the way, they generally, like you can go back through history. A preemptive strike usually ends in a defeat. I'm just kind of thinking through my wheelhouse, like the Japanese did that too. We did that in Iraq, and Poland. So there's a whole host of historical references for that. But they did reset the tempo and they reset the headlines and everything else that's going on. So that has been interesting to watch, but I noticed it in real time and I called it out because I was like, Hey, Bilderberg's meeting. And the build, you know, the builder, big meetings. I'm I look at, it's funny because I, this is one of the benefits. Like I don't regret being in the rabbit hole with Alex Jones for as long as I

was, because I wouldn't have learned about David Knight or yourself, Tony. Well, maybe you, we, we, we met separately from in four wars, but I certainly wouldn't have known about David, um, David Knight. But, um, when I was, damn, I lost my train of thought. What did you say, Tony? You said something so it could jog my memory. What were you talking about? I was just talking about how they reset the news cycle in Bilderberg, you know, in Bilderberg.

Oh, Bilderberg. So back in the day, when I was watching Infowars, Bilderberg was a secret. You know, it legit was a secret. Nobody reported on it. And when the mainstream did report on it, they said it was a lie, you know, or very secretive. Now we have access to the Bilderberg access to the Bilderberg invitees list on Drudge. No, I'm not sleeping. Who is that? Now we get to see it on Drudge.

You know, it's open for everybody to see. I thought it was hilarious. I clicked on it, and you see Peter Thiel, Alex Carp, you know, Zaid Zakariya or whatever his name is from CNN was on the list. Like, it's like, okay, like now it's mainstream news. Bilderberg is here. Here's the list. So I look at Bilderberg like Area 51 now. You know, everybody knows about Area 51 and they still try to keep you away. But I mean, what are they really holding in Area 51 and what are they really doing at Bilderberg that we're not going to find out about?

You know, everything is laid out there at this point. So when I saw that, I was like, look at this, we've come quite a long way. I mean, they've reported on Bilderberg for some time, but to be that easy to find a client list. I remember back in the day we had to dig for that. And right now we just click on it and boom, there's the client list. I mean, the client list, I'm sorry, all the people that were invited to show up at Bilderberg. So it's become that open at this point. So I don't put too much emphasis on Bilderberg like I used to back in the day. It's like, Oh my God, it's happening. Like now it's like, okay, it's a meeting.

You know, I don't, because I think over time, the legacy media and real journal, like whatever, if there ever was real journalism in this country or in the West has dissipated so much that you can pretty much with impunity, do what you want. I, whether you're the World Economic Forum or the UN or Bilderberg or Bohemian Grove or any secret society, you can pretty much run roughshod over the rule of law or the constitution because you have the two parties. Now they're so dumb, everything's dumbed down.

But back in the, I mean, it was real scholarship back in the eighties. You know, Don knows this better than anybody. 70s, 80s and 90s, there it was real scholarship back in the 80s. Don knows this better than anybody. 70s, 80s, and 90s, there was some real scholarship and journalism going on that actually frightened the establishment. I don't think anything frightens them anymore. They did a lot of suppression of people that were digging

into conspiracy research and hidden hand and deep state stuff. But that's not so anymore. I mean, because it's so fractured, and I think they control so much of the so-called opposition. I mean, it's like it's hard to even, and then you hear that in alternative media, even if you're, like I've been called everything

because I'm just going to give my analysis based on what I think is true. And then I won't be enough for one side, or I won't be enough for the other side. It's crazy, then you'll be called a shill or controlled op or whatever. But there really is controlled ops. It's funny that the more controlled they are, the less people can see them. That's another interesting part about all of this.

But I think that's why, Billy, I think it's just so much easier for them just to, you know, run everything out in the open. Well, yeah. And that goes back to the fifth generation warfare. I don't think they have to do half of the things they used to do back in the day. Like they have social media now. It's the biggest tool for manipulation that there maybe has ever been in our, what is

it, in humanity's time here on earth. Social media can manipulate people in ways I've never, I mean, I can't, I still have a hard time understanding how we are where we are right now. Although I have, you know, theories and there's a lot of circumstantial evidence to back up certain things, it's still hard for me to figure out how the hell we got here. It's so obvious to me that the road we're traveling down is filled with thorns and narrow, and, you know, it's just not a good deal but people want to go down this road anywhere I don't understand and it's

social media is is one of the ways that perception is manipulated it all of us got to see it in election of 2024 you know, and now people are turning around and saying, wait a minute, this is not what I voted for. Like the head of Latinas for Trump, she came out and said, wait a minute, this is not what we voted for. You know, maybe you weren't paying attention. You know, I mean, maybe you weren't paying attention hard enough, I guess, you know, but I mean, maybe we weren't paying attention hard enough, I guess, but people are starting to, to what degree, I don't even know. Because there's research of hardcore magas that still subscribe to Donald Trump and still think they're giving him time, it's going to work out, everything's going to...

We are in pain, we have cancer, and we have to go through the chemotherapy, and then we're going to get better. So they look at Trump as the chemotherapy that hurts now, but eventually you'll get better. And that was all laid out by Trump and by Elon Musk as well. But that's how we got here, man, through the social media. And these people are operating on a different level. We have to get to that level. We have to be able, and we are, we're trying to see it. We're talking about fifth generation warfare and we're talking about mental manipulations,

but we're still, I think, divided into camps, even though we think we're not. I think we're still divided into the teams of MAGA and the teams of liberalism or maybe whatever economic system you feel that serves us better. Like, we're still all divided into that. And these are all discussions we should be able to have without getting triggered and without calling people all types of names or accusing them of evil things, which just to circle back, would lead to somebody getting shot, you know, because they legit

think these people are evil demons. You know, people talk about New York like it's evil. It's part of the country. You know, it's part of America. You know, it's one of the fueling engines of America. People talk about LA the same way. Like, oh my God, I can't live in LA, whatever. Maybe it's not for everybody,

but to hate it to the degree that people do, I don't understand it. You know, so it's what California is the fourth biggest economy in the world. It provides for a lot that we have here in the United States. You know, but that's where we are. To the point that I used to rule out, when people used to talk about a civil war, I would rule that out. And secession, I'm like, no, that's not going to happen.

These are real possibilities at this point. I hope it doesn't happen. I don't know what the likelihood of it is. But secession, if things continue this way, there are some states that are going to want us to see from the nation and that's going to trigger a civil war. So I don't want to see anything like that, but it's likely. I don't know how likely it is, but at least I can see it happen. I don't know how likely it is, but at least I can see it happen.

I definitely think states need to take more of an autonomous role in the future. That's the only way that liberty really has a chance to exist is smaller, more localized. It just has to that Thomas Jefferson recognized that the larger the state, the smaller the citizen. So I think that could be maybe a positive trend. Hopefully doesn't lead to a kinetic civil war or something like that. I'd like to see states make more of their own decisions outside the federal government, which was the original intent of the founders and pre-civil war, certainly. I want to ask you both a question, just kind of shift gears a little bit, but back to the geopolitics of the Israeli strike on Iran.

Trying to figure out why this was, the timeline was moved to this, or why it was so hurried. The only thing I can think of is that, you know, and I've mentioned this before in the last, I think, you know, in the last America Unplugged that we did about a month ago that I was on, and I said, the issue with politics is it looks permanent, but it never is. And, you know, I don't know, Don, I want to ask you, do you think, just knowing what you know about history, does it look pretty likely that we're gonna have some sort of democratic sweep in 2026, which would set us up for just impeachment hearings and investigate all that stuff that happened post 2018, last time with the first Trump administration, but maybe even worse this time.

If that's the case, is that why this this war got moved up? That they're just trying to do like a hurry up offense? I mean, do you, do you follow in my logic here when I'm trying to see like, I'm wondering why all this has to happen now? Yeah, well, I think that's typically what happens. And then certainly with all the craziness that's going on, the people that the Democrats certainly ought to be fired up to vote for Democrats in the off-year elections. But as Billy was mentioning about the fifth stage, what do you call it? Fifth generation warfare.

Fifth generation warfare. That makes sense. I don't know what the hell it is, but it makes sense. You talk about that shooter guy. All the the serps like you go back to the guy that shot the CEO of the healthcare company. That was very cut and dry. This guy was upset about it and he shot him. So I mean, I don't know whether it's more real or fake or anything else, but there was a motive and there wasn't anything beyond that. Now you have have this guy. He shot a Democratic lawmaker that had

crossed over and voted against healthcare for illegal aliens. They're sending that message. Well, it looks like a cut and dry method. He was pissed off about that because he doesn't want to get illegals to get free healthcare. That seemed to be the motive. But then apparently he's got a neighbor talking about he listens to Infowars. He certainly wanted to get that mindset from Infowars. And he's got no king's thing. So it was very Lee Harvey Oswald-like because if you go back and look at that, Oswald had fingerprints all he was a Marxist. He defected to Russia supposedly, but he associated with the anti-Castro Cubans and he obviously was an intelligence asset. So that's the kind of things we call fifth-generation warfare. I don't know, but it begins to muddy up the waters.

And you mentioned Jared Lee Loughner, Tony, the guy that supposedly shot Gabby Giffords. And again, that's all over the place. You don't know what that guy was. What is the motive here? What are they going to do in terms of Democrats and Republicans? I would think it's in their best interest to have Democrats take both houses. That might happen anyhow, naturally. I don't know. It's in our interest too, because most of the time we want to have a split between the presidency and Congress, and ideally a split between both houses, because we don't want things to get done, because 99% of the time they do something, it's going to make things worse.

So, the best we can hope for is gridlock, which is a hell of a commentary on our political system. But, you can see this is playing out like the first Trump administration. The first Trump administration, he had both houses in Congress for the first two years as well, and he got nothing done. Both houses here, he's getting nothing done. So once, and it'll be tailor-made, once he gets in, the Democrats come back just like last time, well, what do you expect him to do?

The Democrats run to Congress. What can you do? You couldn't get past those Democrats, and especially if they start impeaching them again, which I mean, if they impeach them on the nonsense they did the first time, I'm sure they can find something at least more substantial than that they can try to impeach them on. So I see that probably happen, but I don't make predictions. I don't make predictions. I don't like I, I still I'm holding on hope that we're not going to that this is going to be another head fake and more fear porn for

World War Three, because that's been hanging over our heads now for as long as we've been doing in America and plug, because we talked about it almost every show, how many years is that? So I think that this looks like it. But I really think, as I was saying to Tony earlier, I think that, or saying to your audience earlier, because we couldn't talk because of my echo, but it looks like, however real this is, it looks like Iran is not like those other countries. And I said I have a connection there because my brother-in-law is an Iranian. I've met tons of Iranians over the years. My sister lived in Tehran for many years.

I know the people. I can tell you that whole... I've known a lot of Afghanis too. You wonder why we and Russia couldn't win in Afghanistan. You have to meet the people. This is the ultimate macho. These guys, that's why you see the Palestinian kids throwing rocks at tanks. They will do that. So if they really want to do this, they're going to have to wipe out every one of those people. Maybe they want to do that, but you're going to have to do

that because you're not going to get them to surrender. And that's why I think you remember Saddam Hussein, I remember he said, bring it on, it's the mother of all wars or something. It was ridiculous. He really had no defense at all. It was a joke. But that was the mindset. That's the mindset of the people and the Iranians especially.

They rightfully have a reason because again, Iran's never done anything other than the hostage situation which can be tied to the politics of the time. We screwed around in Iran going back to Mossadegh when the CIA overthrew him in 1954. We installed the puppet, the Shah, for the 1960s who was one of our friendly dictators. We've been involved there and then they saw, and I can tell you from my sister living in Iran, I don't know where the religious fundamentals were, but they didn't exist then. They had no power at all. Iran was very Americanized in the 1960s. You can see pictures of bikinis and everything. My sister lived there. They had a lot of Americans living there. When the fundamentals took over, I don't know

where this came out, but now they have a different mindset and it's obviously anathema to the Israelis and they seem to be Israel's biggest enemy. I don't know what happened, but I'm sorry. I'll talk about this as long as I can because if we actually do go to war and we go on the war side of Iraq, I mean Israel, which we would obviously do, we may not be able to talk about this. Because we're at war. You know, what are you talking,

so I'm gonna get it out while I can, but this is absolutely ridiculous when you can have a country bomb someone else in the middle of peace talks, and then claim, you know, they're the victim? Right for Israel? What are you talking about? Does Iran not have the right to defend itself?

So I have no problem with them fighting back. And I can't say, I don't want to see anybody die, but there's a lot of people over there in that part of the world. If I had been bombed and I'd seen a thing like that, I would have every reason to applaud if they got their gesture desserts. It'll be interesting to see, but if I was to put that out there to any Iranians who

have any influence over there, to whatever degree Trump's personality is real, he obviously has this ego that I think is mostly an act, but whatever he has, I would try to play on that if I was the Iranians. I would try to put something out there, hey, you know, I know you're the first guy to be able to stand up to Israel Trump. No one else could do it but you. You can stand up to him. You're not going to let that Netanyahu push you around. You're not going to be a puppet for these guys. I know they can't do that to Trump because he's too powerful. Maybe it will work. I don't know. I would try it. I don't know. Nothing else would work. You know, one second real quick, but I want to ask Don something about the 1917. That's

the Espionage Act, right? Woodrow Wilson, Don. Didn't they in prison? Was it Eugene Debs that went to prison? Yes. Speaking on World War One. So that's yeah, there's a precedence for if you're anti anti-war, especially if it's a bipartisan, you run the risk of being silenced anyway. That's why I wanted to, before I lost that trans thought, go ahead, Billy. No, I just, I think that Don is correct. I think that Iran should take a strategy like that.

Don't be so open about it, but definitely because I think that's what's happening right now anyway with somebody like like a Stephen Miller, you know, or Steve Bannon. They will stroke these guys, even when they're able to manipulate them as a result of that. You know, that's, that's really as easy as it was. And I remember telling Tony, I don't know if you remember this months ago. Um, I'm like, Tony, I think they figured this out.

I think they got this guy totally controlled and it's not even the way we would think. I think they just stroke his ego for a little bit and then he's good with. It's just whatever so I I Understand that if I was the Iranians I would take that that position also. Yes, you can do it miss There's no one else that can do it only you you were sent by God You were sent by God to change this mr. Trump and I love your shoes You know just throwing everything in the kitchen

sink and I think it would work. I really do well at least to a degree it would work until until you know somebody got got their claws in him from his present administration but the initial question, Tone, was what do you think is going to happen? Like why are they question, Tone, was what do you think is gonna happen? Like, why are they doing this so quickly? Why are they accelerating things? Because, you know, 2026, 2027 is coming up, 2026 elections. Like, you know, sometimes, and I'm trying to not listen as much because I value my eardrums, but I listen to Steve Bannon from time to time, and he's been talking about this from almost the beginning of the administration. He's like, 2026 is going to come around,

and we are going to lose. He said, we are going to lose. So we need to get everything out now. We have two years. We have two years before the Democrats take the House and maybe the Senate. This is his words. This is what he's saying. So we need to get everything out as soon as possible, pedal to the metal. And he also thinks that they're going to attempt to impeach Donald Trump, which I am 100% for. I would like impeachment and removal of that maniac. He is a maniac. If we're going to slow this down, right? Tony mentions it all the time on America Unplugged, and Don just mentioned it today. We need some friction. We need some gridlock. We need it. And if we're gonna do that, we gotta get these Democrats back in power in some capacity.

This is... I know a lot of MAGA people subscribe to the authoritarianism that's going on right now. I certainly don't. I know an authoritarian when I see one, and I know when our liberties are being yanked from us When I see it So I don't want that. I don't want that we need gridlock and we need it now. So I'm fully for it I'm fully for an impeachment. I'm fully for a removal I'm fully for the Democrats taking over the house in the Senate. And what is that going to result in? Is it going to result in any of the things that you want to get done?

Probably not, but it will slow down this inevitable rolling down this hill to the end of the United States. And I'd like to avoid that. I'd like to avoid World War III, which looks more and more likely under this bigger orange buffoon. You know, I'd like to stop that somehow. He wanted, he wants Putin to mediate between Israel and Iran. I'm like, what is this guy doing? I'm like, at some point, we really need to start talking about the, his mental stability. I'm like, this guy just is fighting a war already

and you want him to mediate? Like, what happened to you? I thought he was the ultimate dealmaker that's gonna solve everything. Like, I really wish Donald Trump was the President of the United States at this point, because this war in Israel and Iran certainly wouldn't be happening.

Right, I tweeted that out the other day. I'm like, if he was President, that wouldn't be happening. Clearly he is President and it is happening. He is a liar. He is a con man. Um And I know saying these things like like putting them out there is is Is not going to change anything It'll it'll just cause people that are down with Magda to double down triple down quadruple down because that's the way the operation was meant to take place. That's the way it's meant to proceed.

You once you attack this guy, you take it as a personal attack on yourself. They're like, Oh, you're attacking Trump. You're attacking me. I remember I saw Kid Rock. When Trump got shot. He came out and made a video. He's like, you f with Trump, you have them them with me and I'm like, what is that? What does that have to do? Like what is he going to like? What are you going to do?

Besides dress up and yeah kid rock besides dress up and play bad music. Like what are you going to do? You know, meanwhile kid rocks a restaurant got shut down because he had nothing but His restaurant got shut down because he had nothing but his restaurant got shut down because he had nothing but illegal aliens working in the back and they wouldn't show up to work because they thought they were going to get arrested. So his restaurant had to shut down for a couple of days. I'm going to talk about the hypocrisy there. Trump is still employing illegal immigrants apparently. He was using them the other day for something like it's just a hypocrisy upon hypocrisy upon hypocrisy upon hypocrisy

So yeah, like in 2026, I don't know what the likelihood is. I Thought these things were no-brainers, you know, I guess not very a very different America than I thought I lived in So I don't know if that'll actually happen in 2026 meaning the Democrats will take back power But they're actively planning for it. You know, and if you guys want an inside look on what's going on in MAGA, you want to be three, four, five months ahead, tune in to Steve Bannon. He's a horrible talk show host, but he's a brilliant man. He's an evil man, maybe, but he's a brilliant man. And he strategizes all of this stuff. And that's the main reason I know what's gonna happen

with MAGA two months ahead is because he's sane. He's just sane. He's openly saying it. You guys, anybody that used to listen to Infowars, they were like, oh, well, I'm not a genius, right? I don't have a crystal ball. These documents are open. They're out in the open.

They're all out there is what he used to say. Well, it's the same deal here. Steve Bannon is openly saying what's going to happen. And he's been talking about 2026 for some time. And he seems to think that there is a big possibility that the Democrats are going to take over and they're going to try to impeach Donald Trump. Well, I mean, that's what I would just think that right off the bat. Right.

I, that's just for me me just studying history and politics, which I'm not even, it's hard for me to even be interested anymore, given the left-right paradigm is so fake. When you talk about the only thing you get really get gridlock on is when there might be something beneficial to the American people, whether it's infrastructure or drug prices or whatever or regulation or some sort of like, hey, let's make sure that the free market works or semblance of that's not a free market anymore. But that's the only time you get gridlock.

When you get like, every, like the skids are greased is you get a warfare welfare state. Both parties agree. Both parties are puppets for the technocracy. So I mean, nothing really stops the technocratic push in different form, whether it's CBDC or through some back or stable coin thing. It's the same deal. It's the same.

To me, it's the same people doing the same thing, doing the same dance. But you mentioned something earlier, which Trump wants to put Putin in charge of the negotiations for Iran and Israel. I just saw before we went live, I just saw a story about Zelensky saying how Iran was such a threat, you know, so he's obviously he's taking his orders for for Israel. So that would be interesting if we could get Zelensky to negotiate with Putin over the phone. Maybe we could do that. Miracles do happen. negotiate with Putin over the fate of the like, I think ultimately you're right, but things have evolved in a way

where we need gridlock to stop things like having Posse Comitatus just ignored, right? Or like habeas corpus, like this is on a level that I haven't seen in my lifetime. And everything goes in cycles. We'll survive it. You know, we'll survive this. Everything goes in cycles. I...

But we won't be a superpower anymore. It's debatable whether or not we're a superpower now. You know, it's just not going to happen. But besides that, the people of the United States are under real danger here. And I want to stress here, there's a lot of racial profiling going on because of these deportations. And these are American citizens, which I said was going to happen on AmeriGon plug months ago. It's happening.

Um, and I mentioned this the last time I was on, uh, with, with Travis. If, if you have to push back just for selfish reasons, go ahead and do it. Go ahead and do it. You may not care what happens to other people, but maybe you care what happens to you, so, uh, push back on this stuff. Cause eventually it's going to knock on your door. It's going to, um, this is the lawlessness. So what's going on here.

So we do need, we do need some gridlock. We need some people to push back on this. And, uh, uh, I would urge everybody to, uh, participate in the process. I haven't voted for the majority of my life. You guys know I voted for Ron Paul. That's the only time I voted. I'm going to go out and vote for every single thing I can here. And I'm not voting MAGA.

Notice I didn't say Republican. I'm not voting MAGA at all. At all. I will vote for a piece of driftwood before I vote for MAGA. And that's in the best interest of every American at this point, what they're doing to day-to-day people on the street, innocent people. Putting on masks, throwing them in the back of vans, That's not a good look for anyone. So I would urge people to try to do something about that before it knocks on your door, because it inevitably will.

I regret now that I have to return all of the birthday presents I got you this year. I didn't realize you were so anti-maga, Billy. Oh, damn. But if you got me a pair of the maggot sneakers I'll take those and and the maga guitar I want one so I'll take those if you did that It's what's gonna be hard to return. It's the shipping on that Giant Trump idol from the C packs go. I got that one for you. I want that too Hey Don do you have to go? I know that you.

Yeah, I got to run a few minutes. I appreciate it. Good talking to you guys. Donald Jeffries on subsoc.com. My protests, the only place in the chat I've had. Appreciate it. It was great being with you guys. Thank you, Don.

Later, sir. Thank you, take care. You know what I really want, Tony? Since you have the means, I know you do. So what I really want is the Ark of the Covenant that he has. Why do I have the means for the Ark of the Covenant? I don't know. You go off on missions all the time. I'm fully aware of this.

I know all the artifacts you have stored over there in Wise Wolf. Listen, all I want is, it's a replica. It's not even a real one. Just take it from him and give it to me. I'd love for you to do. I would love to. I'd like to take if I could get the actual Ark of the Covenant, take it to Congress and then me and you would just have like ready blindfolds and we just open it and everybody look at it, you know, and it looks like the end of Raiders of the Raiders. Don't open your eyes. Don't open your eyes.

You know, we'll just go back to back against the post. I'm like, don't look directly at it. Right. Right. Right. We already have the heads up, you know, um, off topic, I mean, on the topic we're talking about now, I think about that often. I'm obsessed with the Ark of the Covenant.

One of these days I want to go to Ethiopia because they claim they have it there and I know they have something. I just don't know if it's... I've never thought about it. It's called the sign and the seal. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm familiar. It's in, I think I'm going to pronounce this wrong, but I think it's Atum, Atum or Atum, right, Ethiopia where they have it. And the guy that's in there's one guy that's dedicated to to sitting with the Ark and protecting the Ark. That's it. He never leaves. And they did an interview with him once in his eyes. He has something wrong with his eyes. And he says it's the Ark. He said it was a thing of fire. And that's what did damage to his eyes. Yeah, that's the kind of thing.

That's what you need. We need an infinite fringe about the arc. You need to do a series on it. You gotta get back to what's interesting. That's a great idea, actually, Tony. You should do it with me. Yeah, do it with me. Paratrooper, I have some paratroopers I wanna do,

but all history stuff. Like I'm gonna do the Fourth Reich and some of the stuff in Operation Paperclip. And I've got a great interview on gold coming up. We only got like two minutes left and I want to close right so tell people where they can find you. Billy I know we're just kidding. You know if you so choose BRV 1776 that's the Bavarian Illuminati, not anything related to MAGA, guys, okay? So BRV1776 at gmail.com. Hit me up there. American Unplugged, 12 p.m. Eastern, every Saturday,

and my show on Ground Zero Plus. We should talk about that tone, because you could do a paratrooper before me, if you want. I would like that. Since you typically do that anyway, but we could do a paratrooper before me, if you want. I would like. Since you typically do that anyway, but we could do it back to back. You know, I've been operating without a name over there at Ground Zero Plus, 7 p.m. on Sundays.

I'm gonna call it Gorilla Underground, shouts to my boy Twisty. That's what I'm gonna call it. So that's 7 p.m. on Sundays over there on Grounds Zero Plus and on Tony's X. Tony's X, he's nice enough to let me stream there. So I appreciate it. Thank you, buddy.

That's it, man. That's all I got. I appreciate you. I appreciate the audience. And thanks for bearing with us through technical difficulties. We ended up having 1,228 people watching live. So that's fun.

I'll be back tomorrow. I've got Charlie Robinson on, octopus of global control, the controlled demolition of the American empire. Myself, we'll get into some parapolitics and precious metals. Thank you, Billy. I'm going to see if I can play the outro. Hold on a second. We're going to see if we can do this and I'll have to take us offline to make it work. Right. One second.

Let me see if I can make this work. Look at the PJ PJ. Thank you.