The David Knight Show - Tue Episode #2136: The David Knight Show Best Of - 11/11/2025

Episode Date: November 11, 2025

[00:07:23] – The Black Committee: America’s First Mass Surveillance ProgramBeito explains Senator Hugo Black’s seizure of millions of private telegrams to spy on FDR’s opponents — a little-known episode that prefigured today’s surveillance state and “national security” abuses. [00:27:29] – The Newport Sex Scandal and FDR’s Moral HypocrisyKnight and Beito expose Roosevelt’s secret Navy operation that used entrapment to target suspected homosexual sailors — a scandal later erased from mainstream history. [00:39:31] – Going Off Gold: Roosevelt’s Monetary RevolutionThe discussion covers how FDR’s abandonment of the gold standard and arbitrary price-fixing launched America’s age of fiat currency, inflation, and centralized economic manipulation. [00:49:16] – The “Fake News” Law That Almost HappenedBeito recounts a 1930s proposal to criminalize “false news” under FDR’s influence — an early prototype of modern truth policing and digital censorship laws. [01:00:16] – The 72-Dose Childhood Vaccine LawsuitKnight reviews a lawsuit claiming the CDC never tested the combined safety of its full childhood vaccine schedule, arguing the agency hides behind untested assumptions of safety. [01:14:46] – Eli Lilly Bribery and Big Pharma CorruptionKnight reports on a Texas lawsuit accusing Eli Lilly of paying doctors to push high-profit drugs, tying it to systemic collusion between pharmaceutical giants and captured regulators. [01:24:23] – James Bradley on Vietnam: Precious FreedomAuthor James Bradley joins to discuss his book Precious Freedom, reframing the Vietnam War from the Vietnamese perspective and exposing decades of U.S. and media propaganda. [01:36:39] – Media Lies and CIA MythsBradley reveals how the U.S. and its allies fabricated the idea of “North and South Vietnam” as separate nations, a CIA-backed myth used to justify decades of warfare. [02:22:00] – Fourth Turning Politics and the Rise of Authoritarian SaviorsKnight and Bonta examine how historical cycles of crisis create conditions for strongmen like FDR, Trump, and others who exploit social chaos to centralize power. [03:02:17] – De-Dollarization and the End of U.S. Financial SupremacyBonta closes by warning that the weaponization of the dollar is accelerating the global shift toward BRICS and gold-backed trade systems, threatening the foundation of American economic dominance. Money should have intrinsic value AND transactional privacy: Go to https://davidknight.gold/ for great deals on physical gold/silverFor 10% off Gerald Celente's prescient Trends Journal, go to https://trendsjournal.com/ and enter the code KNIGHTFind out more about the show and where you can watch it at TheDavidKnightShow.com If you would like to support the show and our family please consider subscribing monthly here: SubscribeStar https://www.subscribestar.com/the-david-knight-showOr you can send a donation throughMail: David Knight POB 994 Kodak, TN 37764Zelle: @[e-mail] App at: $davidknightshowBTC to: bc1qkuec29hkuye4xse9unh7nptvu3y9qmv24vanh7Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-david-knight-show--2653468/support.

Welcome to this Tuesday, November 11th edition of the David Knight Show. Today is going to be Best of Compilation Rebroadcast. My family got some very tragic news. My mom's twin brother, my uncle, very suddenly passed away. It was completely unexpected. But to lay your fears, he did not get the vaccine, so it has nothing to do with that. I want to ask that you please pray for my mom. I said he was her twin brother.

were very, very close. They spoke every single day. So it is especially hard on her. Keep our family in your prayers, but especially her. Keith did a lot for the show. He was one that did most of the backgrounds that you see on it and many other things as well. There's a big help to the show on top of just being a fantastic uncle. So now we're going to go to the rebroadcast, the best of. Can I thank you all enough? Welcome back, and I want to begin with a couple of statements from people about this book. The book is FDR, A New Political Life. The author is David Beto. And this first one that's here is from Hillsdale College. It's Burton Folsom. He says, the book, FDR, A New Political

the life is the most illuminating one-volume history of FDR ever written. American historians have come to recognize that Roosevelt's New Deal did not end the Great Depression, but prolonged it. David Beto carefully explains why so many FDR programs and power grabs were so counterproductive. To go from the older FDR histories to David Bado's wonderful new work is to make a historic leak from the dark ages. Also, another author, David McCallis, says,

When it comes to race and Western influence, FDR's vision of the world order was muddled by delusional phenomena. He was not a man of empire or genocide like his wartime allies, Churchill and Stalin, but he was a dreadfully old-fashioned Victorian quack, an amateur phrenologist who believed that repopulating the Pacific Rim with certain choice crossbreeding would create a better world for all. David Beto takes us further than his predecessors along the breadcrumb path into Franklin Roosevelt. 's thick, forested interior. And, again, many wonderful stellar reviews. And I've got to say, even though I wasn't able to read the entire book, what I read of it really does match with this.

I'll give you one more. This is from Jim Bovart, who we've interviewed on this show many times. He said historian David Beto, who previously exposed how President Franklin Roosevelt ravaged Americans constitutional rights, is back with a new book, vividly exposing his personal perfidy from the dawn of Woodrow Wilson administration to 1945, the betrayal at Yalta and beyond. With volleys of research, Beto demolishes Roosevelt's reputation as one of the quote-unquote great presidents. And so I look at FDR, like Lincoln, these are presidents who come in at a time of great societal upheaval and change and war, and they have an active role in

redefining our society. I think we're in a time like that right now. This is a guy who ran as a peace candidate, but then turned to war. He was there at the center of the fight between gold and fiat currency. He was presided over rapid expansion of a Leviathan and federal government with very creative excuses to override the Constitution. He instituted surveillance, and there was a free speech revolt against him. He also weaponized the FCC, and we can see, you know, we've talked about what was going on, the FCC. We pointed out that why should broadcast media have its content controlled when they don't control the press? Well, you can look to FDR for that. So, joining us now is David Beto. Thank you so much for joining us. This excellent

book here that you have. Thank you so much. You know, it's interesting. You brought up the, I mean, if you don't mind, the FCC issue. And it brought to mind the contrast. between FDR and Trump. You know, Trump makes these wild threats about involving the FCC. He goes public with it. He tries to get Jimmy Kimmel off the air, which really wasn't worth

the effort, frankly. And he succeeds short term, but now Kimmel is back on the air. So Trump looks silly. What FDR did is he did it behind the scenes. He did it carefully. He would never make a public statement like that.

He went to the sponsors of For example, there was a leading anti-New Deal radio commentator called, named Boke Harder, in 1938, one of the top-rated commentators in the country on CBS. And so how did Roosevelt get him off the air? He did open an IRS investigation, an immigration investigation, because Carter was from Canada. And then finally, he went to the executives, or he went to the sponsors, including Marjorie Maryweather Post. who sold, well, at least she was the original owner of Marilago, and she used her influence, and Carter was forced off the air. And by the end of 1938, all anti-New Deal commentators on the main networks were off the air. And despite the fact that most newspapers were hostile to FDR, he did it all quietly.

He did it all behind the scenes with the scalp. where you know Trump used the blunt edge of the sword we and maybe in many ways we should be thankful for that yeah that Trump is like a bull in a china shop so often and sometimes when he doesn't need to get his way he doesn't get his way because he's so I don't know obvious about it yeah maybe maybe his real thing is more about getting Americans divided and fighting each other than it is about the actual reform but what FDR did is something that we've seen a pattern of people in government typically doing, and that is working behind the scenes, quietly sending out messages to make sure that this group or that group is shadow banned or canceled, and you can use

your own judgment in terms of doing this because you're a private corporation, and you can do that. But, of course, he kind of did that with, in terms of telegrams and things like that before, not the social media side, of course, but actual physical telegrams, FDR had his involvement with that as well. And they see the early trends of the surveillance states. The technology has changed, but the nature of men and power hasn't really changed that much. Talk a little bit about the Black Inquisition and things that were involved in that. Okay. Well, the Black Committee was a Senate committee.

He was headed by Senator Hugo Black, who later ended up on the U.S. Supreme Court, despite his Klan background. and Black was an attack dog for the New Deal. He was really Roosevelt's main ally, I would say, in the Congress. He was the to-go-to guy. Well, Roosevelt wanted an investigation of anti-New Deal organizations, and Black was more than happy to cooperate in this. So Black would call these witnesses, and they would sometimes successfully hold them off. And he would bring in leading anti-New Deal figures.

And so Black got the bright idea, or someone got the broad idea, well, why don't I get their private telegrams? Telegrams were the emails texts of the time. They were over half of long-distance communication. People would say things in telegrams that they wouldn't say in letters, but they would say now on an email or a text. And there were thousands of them. They were instantaneous, virtually instantaneous. So Black goes to Western Union and the other telegraph companies and said, I want copies of all telegrams sent to and from members of Congress

and he had other people as well for like a six months period. And Western Union's response was, are you kidding? You know, our customers would hate that. And Black goes to the FCC, gets approval. And, of course, FDR would have had a hand in this. Although, again, he didn't really have to order Black to do anything because Black was serving the new deal. And got FCC approval. So, again, it's FCC because-

The telegraph companies were ordered to provide that was one example, all, it's, you know, millions of telegrams. But then they expanded, Black expanded the investigation to include other cities, targeted individuals, and so forth. So he went in there with his staffers into Western Union, and they had to keep copies of telegrams, right? That was sort of part of their requirement. And they got big bonds full of the telegrams, the staffers went through them. Sorry, that was a government requirement to keep the copies in the first place? Yes. Well, I think the telegraph companies probably maybe would have kept their own copies anyway.

I don't know. But they were required to keep copies of all telegrams. And they went through millions. And I couldn't believe this when I saw. But yes, that was true. They went through about 10,000 a day over a very long period of time. And the committee staffers had instructions to, don't look at anything of a personal nature. Just look at material related to lobbying.

What would be lobbying? Well, the committee had a specific definition. Indirect or direct lobbying. Indirect lobbying would be any attempt to a. influence public opinion. So our conversation would be an example of that. So any attempt to influence public opinion would be considered lobbying. So they went through, copied selectively, and they went ambush witnesses, because this was all secret. None of the witnesses knew they were doing this. None of them knew. And eventually came out because Western Union informed, started to inform

people who were being targeted. And one of them sued, a very prominent law firm in Chicago, still there. Silas Strawn was his name. And Strawn was a heavyweight. And in one in federal district court, by that time, Black had done his damage. And he said, well, we're done with our investigation.

However, this was a very good precedent for the future. Now, of course, Black could use the telegrams that he'd gotten, and his illegal booty, but he couldn't do any more of this kind of search, nor could official future congressional committees. Very important precedent, but it's not very well known, but as a federal court judge. Yeah, we usually think about, you know, what's going on with FISA and everything, and, you know, that came after World War II because with the creation of the CIA and NSA, they started getting information from the phone company, getting pin information.

Who did they call and that type of thing, which they could infer a lot from. But actually this predates all of that. Were they using this as you said they were questioning people? Did they use this information as a perjury trap for people? You know, ask them a question that they're new to the answer to? I suspect that that kind of thing went on. I haven't come across it. I have reason to believe from just reading some of Roosevelt's comments that

He was, you know, this information was shared with him, but I can't prove it. But I think it was used for all sorts of nefarious reasons. See, historians have kind of looked in the wrong place. They've looked at people like Jagger Hoover, who, again, there's a lot of things he did too. But the mass surveillance, this is a better example of mass surveillance, but people haven't looked at it. In fact, I hadn't even heard of the black committee until about 12 years ago when I was doing research and I came across it. I said, what's this thing? The black committee?

What's that? Is that describing the nature of the committee? Yeah. No, it was a Senate committee. It was forgotten. Not by a lot of conservatives, though. Conservatives would be bringing it up in the 1950s. And that's part of the reason why McCarthyism came about because they were pissed.

And they thought, well, you guys are now completely. complained about civil liberties. What about the black committee? That's a parallel to today as well, isn't it? You know, when you're suffering injustice like that, you feel entitled to propagate it against your enemies again, you know? So, wait, you guys did it to us. So what about that? Let's do it again. I love the title that you got here. Probably Trump's going to do sedition trials, I would guess, right? That's right. The same thing the J6 people were convicted of.

The stupid law that should have been repealed. Exactly. Or at least severely limited. I like the way that you've got it here in the, in your book, the Black Inquisition. You know, that really does get your attention as you're looking at it. It's like, it was like, oh, okay, you go. Yeah, the Black Inquisition. And then there was a pushback against that.

Part of it was William Randolph Hearst was, of course, targeted that because I guess I could say, well, anything that he says is going to be influencing public opinion, obviously. So let's get all of his telegrams. And so he actually, you have a chapter here, the right and the left. free speech coalition. So there's a pushback with that. He joined with the ACLU left as William Randolph Hearst pushing back. Tell us a bit about that.

Yeah. Well, the black committee had gotten a treasure trove of Hearst-related telegrams. But they did a very stupid thing. They did a public subpoena. None of this was subpoenaed, by the way. But they did a public subpoena of one and only one telegram that they, probably already had and this telegram was where Hearst was accusing this prominent member of Congress, a committee chair of being in league with the communists. It was kind of a hyperpolic

telegram. And I guess what the black committee, what black thought was, people just see that as so over the top, this will be good PR for us. But instead, what happened is other members of Congress, like, you know, a guy named McCormack, who was future speaking. of the house, a guy named Emmanuel's seller. These are new dealers. They say this is uncalled for. This is the tactics of Mussolini. So it

actually backfired on Roosevelt. Even many of his own New Deal supporters were against this. This is very interesting and very discouraging in some ways because during this period, you had a lot

of civil libertarians on the left, who were willing, even though they liked Roosevelt, who were willing to push back against him. And that is not as true today. Maybe that will change now, but it's not, it certainly hasn't been true today. Well, today we're so much more partisan and tribal, and we don't seem to care about principles. We don't seem to care about the rule of law. And that's true of both sides, isn't it? Well, you had some people at the time give you a sense of the difference. H.L. Mencken was in your face.

kind of anti-new dealer, civil libertarian, you know, I don't know, agnostic. He only needed everybody, but he was friends with everybody. He had correspondence that spanned the political spectrum. He was respected. He was liked as an individual, could talk to people. I don't think there are as many people who fit in that category today. That's right. Yeah, he was a real clever wit. I mentioned frequently his thing. A year ago, if I had a gold coin and a flask of whiskey, the whiskey was illegal and the coin was legal this year. The gold coin is illegal and the flasker whiskey is legal. So, yeah, he was always...

I haven't heard that one, but that's... He was always pointing out the absurdity of FDR, yeah. So I think one of the very telling things about FDR was the war and peace issue. And you got in here part of his speech, which truly is amazing that he makes, when he's running as a candidate, as a peace candidate, He says, I've seen war.

I've seen war on land and sea. I have seen blood running from the wounded. I've seen men coughing out their gasped lungs. I've seen the dead in the mud. I've seen cities destroyed. I've seen 200 limping exhausted men come out of the survivors of the regiment of 1,000 that went forward 48 hours before. I have seen children starving. I've seen the agony of mothers and wives.

I hate war. And you write, and as he so often does. did. FDR exaggerated. His exposure to the fighting in World War I was limited and sanitized. While the Navy had sent him on a guided inspection of American naval and marine bases in Europe, the main impression conveyed by his contemporaneous diary account was that of a sightseer. So talk a little bit about that, how he ran as a peace candidate, and then he flipped, pushing us into war. Well, FDR was playing both sides of the street. For example, in the 1930s, he'd been the guy that suggests, well, maybe we need neutrality laws.

And then later, he pushed for repeal of the Neutrality Act, saying, I wish I'd never signed it. He never mentioned that he was the guy that helped to inspire it in the first place. So he was a rabid interventionist when he was assistant secretary of the Navy under Wilson. He was constantly trying to imitate his cousin, Theodore, and get some sort of incident, possibly. So he was a hawk. But then in the 30s, he sort of realizes there's all this anti-war feeling, and he appeals to that. He actually applauds the Munich Agreement, but then after that he becomes much more of an interventionist and certainly aligns himself with Winston Churchill and so forth.

But a lot of this is done quietly. So he's sort of playing both sides of the street, and he is in trouble in the 1940 election. his opponent, Wendell Wilkie, who was kind of an interventionist too, but starts talking like an America firster during the last part of the campaign is making inroads. So FDR is worried about this. So very shortly before the election, he gives this speech, he'd never given a speech this strong, where he says, I've said this before and I'll say it again and again and again. Your boys are not going to be sent into any foreign war. full stop. Right? Yeah. And Wendell Wilkie heard that on the radio and he said, that hypocritical son of bitch just lost me the election. And whether or not that was true or not, FDR was, that was a clear motivation. His son went up to him and said, Dad, why did you say that? You've never said anything like that before. And he said basically, well, I had to win, you know, for the good of the country that kind of thing um so just amoral an amoral figure yeah uh maybe worse in in so many ways

a very cynical jaded man i think who had great charm yes but um i never really cared for him i'm going to confess did you ever see that movie sunrise at campabello no i never saw that oh it was a movie made in the 50s starring ralph bellamy playing fDR and his battle against polio and I just you know Bellamy captured FDR in some ways it was supposed to be a sympathetic portrayal but there was just this charm which always seemed a little bit phony to me yeah and and very calculating but very effective yeah he seemed he seemed that way to me as well but I always kind of just dismissed that as you know when you look at movies at the time you know people came across as very stiff and pretentious and you know putting on airs and that that's kind of the way that a lot of

people would come across even in the movies at that time they wouldn't come across as you know genuine or and so I kind of just put it up to the to the zeitgeist of the time if you will but yeah it's it's interesting and you begin with his rise to power talk a little bit about that where this guy come from how to get there he he he had a big advantage and that he was born into comfortable circumstances, not super wealth, but wealth. He was a distant cousin of Theodore Roosevelt, and very distant, like seventh cousin, but the family had contacts with each other and so forth. And he went, he did the typical trajectory of someone in that class.

He went to Groton, a very exclusive private school, and he went to Harvard. He got a Columbia, his law degree from Columbia. He had very mediocre grades. He was not a good student, but he was a gladhander. People liked him. He made his impact socially. And then it was some people approached him and said,

Mr. Roosevelt, we'd like you to run for Congress, or not for Congress, for a state legislature in New York. Theodore was president at the time. they happened to be Democrats. I guess they thought that that was a brilliant move. Now, I say that if the Republicans had approached Franklin, he probably would have run as a Republican. In fact, he had supported his cousin very openly when his cousin ran for re-election. His first vote was for Theodore. But the Democrats asked him. It was a good Democratic year, 1908.

So he ran as a Democrat, and he was able to win. And from there, he just impressed people. He got the attention of a guy named Josephus Daniels, who was secretary of the Navy, quite a racist, Southern racist type. But Daniels was charmed by Roosevelt. He had a very apt comment. He said, he was just like an actress. He had that. He had it, right?

And someone had said it was a case of love at first sight. you know, when Daniel saw him. And I don't think anything went on, but he made him Assistant Secretary of Navy. And from there, Roosevelt was imitating his cousin, either intentionally or by chance. Theodore had been in the legislature. Theodore had been Assistant Secretary of the Navy. And then Theodore was vice presidential candidate, as Roosevelt was in 1920. So very similarity, a lot of parallels between them. One difference, though, Franklin did not volunteer to fight in World War I.

He was in his late 30s. He could have. His cousin, Theodore, said, you have to get into the infantry. Not just the Navy. You have to get into the infantry. You have to get in the fight. And Roosevelt came back and said, well, my boss thinks I'm essential. And maybe his boss did say that. But Theodore had a similar boss. He didn't have to go in. but Franklin was not the man the theater was

right and so he did not he did not serve in the military so at that point he was able-bodied at that point he was able-bodied and could have yeah that was before his bout of polio

which was 19 how old was he right here 1921 so he was about how old when that happened he was about 39 quite a young man and

the story there's an interesting story there. Now, a lot of people said, can't you say something good about Roosevelt? I will say that, you know, he showed great determination. Of course, he had a lot of, he had a lot of help. He had a lot of doctors.

He had a lot of, you know, leisure time. He had a lot of support. But he showed great courage and overcoming that. Part of the story that I was surprised by is who did he blame for the polio? He blamed a Republican center. And the story

on this is really fascinating. I begin my book with it. There was an investigation. Well, there was something called the Newport Scandal, the Newport sex scandal. Do you recall reading that? Yeah, no, I skipped over to the Black Inquisition. Well, it's good stuff. What happened was Roosevelt was Assistant Secretary of the Navy, and there was a guy at one of the naval bases in Newport who was investigating whether there were same-sex relationships going on in the Navy and thought this was, you know, major scandal and so forth. And even did his own private investigations where this guy would find people to go in and they would actually have sex, right, with these men, right, to try to entrap them.

So Roosevelt found out about this. The investigation was basically had no funding. The Secretary of War had refused to back it. I mean, the Attorney General refused to back it. And Roosevelt stepped in single-handedly and set up a investigative unit headed by him called Section A in the Department of Navy, which investigated this issue of same-sex relationships in the Navy. And they would send out investigators who, again, would entrap people by having sex with them. And Roosevelt, I think quite clearly knew what was going on. A local journalist in Newport pushed back on this and accused Roosevelt of doing this, and Roosevelt basically responded, said, well, you know, isn't it important to, you know, to find what's going on here? Why are we so worried about procedure?

And it was actually controversially. You would think this period was very anti-gay, and it was, but people in Congress, and the press thought this was abhorrent. These tactics were beyond the pale. And that's one of the things that we've lost. He did his best to cover it up. And it weakened it. It put so much tension on him

that he said that it had lowered his resistance and made him more susceptible to the outbreak of polio. Which may have been true, actually. Because it was a lot of it was contaminated water. But again, if your immunity, you know, if you had low resistance and so forth. So he blamed this senator

until his dying day for causing his polio. Well, you know, as you talk about that. Because of this report investigation, which almost derailed his career, almost destroyed him. And he was lucky. It's the tactic that's involved there. And everybody did. And you would think

this would be a period where they would say, oh, they're gay, we need to root them out. They may have thought that, but this is beyond the pale. And of course, these people that had destroyed, many of them were innocent, you know, they didn't get any benefits, right? They didn't get military funerals. They were destroyed. And Roosevelt is able to ride through it, partly because other things go on, that divert public attention. But the New York Times, as a matter of fact, has a big story where it calls his behavior, they blame him

for it. The Times blames him in this article. And basically, you know, comes to conclusion he's unfit for office, but he's able to escape this somehow because of other things going on, and it's forgotten. And most people today don't even know about it. But it's quite an important story in his life. Well, it reveals his character, which we then saw later when he's coming after politically. Roosevelt was quite clear that he wasn't worried about the means. It was the end. Get something done. This is viewed. towards civil liberties. These people need to be shut up. Yes. And I think some way to shut them up.

That was a real hallmark. That was a real hallmark of everything that he did. You know, he doesn't care. I think he was always kind of a default interventionist. And I think a lot, you know, I mean, I think he did have an ideology. And I think he, he had been a Wilsonian interventionist. He was a great admirer of Wilson, right? He defended Wilson when he ran for president in 1920, even though much of the public was sick of Wilson, he defended the worst aspect, the most repressive aspects of Wilsonianism. So I think that was his default position. That's the best way I could explain it. I think the relationship with Churchill made a difference, but I think you see even signs of that before that, where he's

trying to do it. His focus is on the North Atlantic. By 1941, he is desperately trying to provoke an incident in the North Atlantic and he builds up minor incidents or you know into cause celebs and is trying to get into the war it's clear he wants to do that by 1941 by any means that he he can and but the public is hostile to the idea well overwhelmingly the public is you know does not want to get in another foreign war they remember World War one they do not want to do that again. But he's able to get aid to Britain through Land Lease, which was very open-ended,

but again, selling this is, well, of course, we won't have to go in. You know, we can help the British, right? Give them the tools and they will finish the fight. This is people used to say. And that kind of where we are right now with Ukraine, right?

Kind of where we are right now with Ukraine, I guess. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, we can just give them the weapons and we won't really get involved. But the Germans aren't taking the bait to the extent that he wants them to. So he kind of shifts to the Pacific, right? And there's massive sanctions against the Japanese that preceded Pearl Harbor. And, of course, what do you have about Pearl Harbor?

What's your take on Pearl Harbor? Did he engineer that and keep things secret there in a kind of subversive way? What is your opinion about Pearl Harbor? Yeah, again, he is, his focus is the North Atlantic, but he eventually comes to the conclusion, well, you know, if we're going to go to war at Japan, that's fine with me, and, you know, maybe we can get into the European war as well. I don't think, I think that that's part of what he's pushing. And really since, you know, he, he, there were opportunities to, to have peace agreement with Japan.

the uh japanese prime minister offers to meet with roosevelt in the middle of the pacific to have a summit so let's hash this out mhm roosevelt doesn't take the opportunity at one point the japanese actually say that they were willing to evacuate china he doesn't take the opportunity so he's he's there's sort of a distraction now okay pearl harvard did roosevelt know about it i don't think he did and my argument for that is I think the best evidence is that they did know that Japanese would attack they thought the attack would probably be somewhere like the Philippines maybe in you know Singapore somewhere like that they did not think it would be Pearl Harbor very few people thought that almost nobody thought that

and part of the reason they didn't think that is they they didn't think the Japanese were capable they didn't think they were good pilots they didn't think that they could pull something out like that and even the commanders on the ground and Roosevelt did short change them short and Kimmel there at the Pacific

they wanted observation planes but Roosevelt diverted all resources to the North Atlantic they wanted you know if they had those observation planes for example it might have made all the difference he short changed them but even

they thought that the main danger from the Japanese was sabotage. That's one of the reasons why they put the planes in the middle of the field, in many cases. It made them more vulnerable to attack, but theoretically less vulnerable to sabotage. So, what is

Roosevelt's first reaction after the attack? Well, it's from a butler, who saw him, and Roosevelt's response was, I will go down in disgrace. He thinks, my god i didn't expect this i'm going to be in trouble because of this um so i don't think

i don't think they knew that the attack was going to be at pearl harbor partly because they underestimated the japanese i think roosevelt was a reckless however that he knew an attack was going to come i don't i think he could have done much more to warn naval commanders throughout the pacific than an attack was going to come there were clues that it could have come at Pearl Harbor, naming the time of day. They did know the time of the day when the Japanese were going to, in the embassy, had been ordered American embassy to destroy their codes. And that was at 7.30 a.m., which would have been a very good time for an attack on Pearl Harbor. And they didn't put two and two together. So I think it's more

incompetence, but I don't buy the theory that has been put forward by people like Stinnett, who makes this argument that you know that we knew that the Japanese fleet was on the way and so forth I don't I don't see the evidence for that we did break one of the codes

but we didn't break the crucial naval code broke the diplomatic code so we knew a lot of what was going on Roosevelt knew a lot about it. He was reading a lot of Japanese mail and maybe they could have put two and two together but I think It was sort of racism in some sense. They just didn't think the Japanese could pull something like this off.

You know, they found out, didn't they? Well, talk a little bit about you got to your... I'd be happy to talk with people about it. But I don't buy that that he knew that it was going to happen at Pearl Harbor. Sure. Well, talk about fear and emergency. Okay. Well, when Roosevelt ran in 1940, 1932, he pledged to me.

maintain sound money. Now, I didn't exactly say, well, gold, but Hoover didn't either. But he also gave a speech right before the election, a little known speech called the covenant speech, where he would talk about, you know, gold contracts, the covenant,

right? And he said he would uphold the covenant. You know, basically, I will uphold, you know, the use of gold, right? Then very shortly after the election, he makes a decision to go off the gold standard. He calls in his secretary of the treasury who's much more

actually secretary of state who's much more conservative than him on financial issues cordell hall and he says cordell congratulate me we're going off the gold standard tomorrow and he pulls out some money and it was a money that was issued by the whatever the federal reserve bank of tennessee i guess he said this is from tennessee your own state cordel and what makes this money good it's only good because we say it's good.

And again, that is what he did. Then he does a lot of crazy things after that. He does a program to purchase gold and he sets the price, well, no, not to purchase gold, but to set the price of gold. So he says he has this

gold buying program. And how does he determine the price? He determines it from things like he says, well, I think the price should be 19 cents today because it's a lucky number. You know, he would say things like that. And Roosevelt was very superstitious. He had lucky shoes. He had lucky hats. So this is not as strange as you might seem. And it was just a crazy, crazy town. But what saved us in terms of financially

in the 30s was we had massive gold imports from both Europe and the Soviet Union. Your people are taking their gold for obvious reasons out of those places and bringing it to the United States. So we have a tremendous gold inflow to the United States through those sort of happy, not happy, tragic accidents, I guess you could say, both from Russia and from, because Stalin is buying a lot of American goods using gold. That's part of it. And of course, the gold is coming in from Germany because Jews and others are taking their gold out. Yeah, it's interesting. You know, when you look at how he was reacting, how he had his lucky shoes and all the rest of

stuff and how arbitrary things were. That sounds very familiar, too, in a disturbing way, doesn't it? You know, kind of erratic and arbitrary capricious, what he's doing with these things. We're starting to see a lot of that. Capricious is a good word. Yeah. Parallels of Trump, but there are big differences, too. Yeah.

But, you know, I think there are, there's some parallels that you've. control. So talk a little bit about the end of prohibition. That's one of the things everybody, you know, Happy Days is here again. How much of that was, did he build that up for his campaign and how much of that was really an initiative of his or was it just that people had had it with alcohol prohibition at that point he got ahead of that. Was he opposed on that by the Republicans or what was the situation with the prohibition?

and, you know, I don't discuss prohibition a lot, but, but Roosevelt was a straddler. He wasn't going to take controversial positions. He was also a straggler on trade issues and tariff issues. So he was not a leader of the anti-prohibition forces. There were Democrats who were. The more conservative Democrats, interestingly, tended to be the more anti-prohibition. And there was a big element in the party. And people were sick and tired of the people. prohibition laws by 1932. The Republicans chose to kind of avoid the issue. So Roosevelt and getting the nomination, it certainly was a popular position, but he also recognized that this is a popular position. And he came out for for repeal of the constitutional amendment bringing in prohibition. He took a very strong stand. I think there were other motivations though one was it's a great tax source and as a matter of fact during the early new deal even though they're talking about income taxes most of the tax collections are from excise taxes people like things like cosmetics cigarettes uh alcohol yeah that's where the bulk of

the revenue was raised so roosevelt is raising the tax top rate to i don't know eventually gets so, you know, well over 90%, but it's going way, way up. He makes a big deal about this, but that means that the wealthy find ways to find tax shelters, they don't pay it. So where does the actual money come? It comes from the nickels and dimes, the people going to movies, there's a tax on movie tickets. It comes from the nickels and dimes of working class people, but Roosevelt is very clever and never acknowledging that.

And, of course, the excise taxes on liquor as well. Yeah, it's always, I think it's maybe in the back of his mind, too, and he uses that revenue source in a major way. It's always soak the rich, and then it's always the poor middle class to pay all the taxes. That's another thing that never seems. Oh, the stark example of that, yes. Another thing never stops. And, of course, the revenues, you know, that's what they called the people that were coming after the stills in the mountains and everything, because that was really what they wanted. They wanted the money that was there.

So talk a little bit about the Supreme Court package. issue as well, and his fight to essentially just completely rewrite the Constitution when we look at what happened with the New Deal. Should be called the New Constitution. Well, Roosevelt proposes, he keeps us quiet again, but then in 1937, he's all puffed up because the 1936 election was one of the more spectacular landslides in American history, partly because Roosevelt was very effective in using New Deal money, targeted. money and i could talk about that as well how he was able to win such a big majority but he thought i'm going to get a third new deal right he wanted to be more radical he wanted to do more

but he thought what good will that do if the supreme court which has been striking down measures like the uh triple a and the national recovery administration what good will all my effort be unless I get a sympathetic court. Okay, well, he decides, he proposes to increase the size of the court and his

gives a speech where he basically says they're overextended. They're old. They're tired. I want to help them. They've got a big workload. Well, he gives his speech and he wants to increase the size of the court and he obviously thinks he can pull it off because I don't

know, you're talking about something like, gee whiz, the Republicans are down to like 16, 20 senators? I mean, he's got an overwhelming majority. You would think that he could pull this off easily. And he's so disingenuous. And it's so obvious what he's doing that there is a big movement against court packing led by a new dealer, Senator Burton Wheeler, who'd been an ally of Roosevelt and turns against him. And Wheeler is the ideal guy to lead this effort. The Republicans are very smart. They lay back and let the Democrats take leadership, and they do. Now, the campaign is very grueling, and it becomes clear during the campaign that Roosevelt is essentially won.

Because one of the justices on the court is switched sides. And it's clear that he's probably going to get all of his New Deal programs sustained. But he keeps pushing on. I guess it becomes a matter of principle for him. He keeps pushing on. He pushes, pushes, pushes. The majority leader of the Senate is exhausted. He is in bad shape, and he ends up having a heart attack

and is found with a copy of the congressional record in his hand. His name is Joe Robinson. And Roosevelt doesn't go to Robinson's funeral. And there's a lot of controversy about that. Why don't you go to the guy's funeral? probably because he was pissed off that Robinson wasn't doing a better job. And anybody says, well, he would understand, you know, he had to fight for the, and it hurts Roosevelt, no end, and Roosevelt is defeated.

So in a lot of ways, that is an example of a left-right coalition. There are many examples, but that's one. He's defeated by Democrats. Could you imagine that happening under Biden? I would find it difficult to imagine that. Or Frank Lender Trump in the opposite direction. that's right but it did happen then which says something positive about um americans during that period americans in congress conclude include it that's right much higher level of character in a lot

of ways and i've mentioned many times about the fact you know we have our war on drug that's been going on for over half a century but uh we had the 18th and the 21st amendment which said that they had enough respect for the constitution that everybody had they had a constitutional amendment to stop in order to start it and then stop the alcohol prohibition because they knew that they didn't have that power in the Constitution. But today, you know, we don't care about that. We just do whatever we wish. I think it's kind of interesting. Everybody agreed on that. We have to have a constitutional amendment. That's right. It's one of the biggest arguments against the war on drugs, I think, is the fact that we have those two amendments that are there. But when you go

back and you look at this particular case with the Supreme Court, the fact that he's got the votes, but he still wants to press on with this thing because it's a matter of personal prestige and power, I think. The same type of thing that we see with Trump. And yet, does he take the kind of vengeance against people who go against him in kind of a vendetta that we see Trump taking against Republicans, let's say? He doesn't attend the guy's funeral or whatever,

but it gives him the cold shoulder. But did he really go after people like Trump will go after somebody like Thomas Massey who opposes him on his agenda? Yeah. He keeps a secret. And this is what's interesting. There is an investigation under another loyalist. In fact, he'd been offered the position on the Supreme Court before black but wanted to stay in Congress.

His name was Senator Sherman Mitten. And if you search his name, the thing that usually comes up is there's a bridge named after him. But now maybe that'll change. But Minton was a very young guy. He was already in the Senate leadership. First Termer, and he was very tight with Roosevelt, and Mitten starts his own investigation, basically succeeds Black's, the Black Committee. It's the same committee, but Black is now in the U.S. Supreme Court. And so Mitten heads this investigation. They can't search telegrams anymore, but one of the things they do do is they use Mitten gets permission to look at the IRS. tax records of people he targets,

for example. He gets that. But Minton gets very frustrated because there's a lot of putback. Pushback. People are very upset about his methods. And he's doesn't, he lacks Black's subtlety. Black had some subtlety. Minton is just charging forward.

And so Mitten gives his speech. He said, well, we need a law against these big newspapers. Because most of the press was against Roosevelt. So he said, let's make it a felony to publish anything known to be untrue, fake news, basically. The fact, they used that term, I think, false news or fake news. And he proposes this bill. And what is the reaction to the bill? Almost universal opposition sets in

almost from the beginning as it is setting in Roosevelt is asked about the Mitten bill at a news conference and I think Roosevelt was the guy that had the idea I think he put Minton up to it

I can't prove that but I think it's true because Mitten was not the kind of guy to go off on his own and it reflects what Roosevelt thought of the press he was asked about this and he said well

you know if we had such a Bill, we wouldn't even have enough room in the federal prison system to hold all the prisoners. And it gets a little laugh, right? Yeah. And then he moves on to a new

topic, and I wish they'd done follow-ups. They didn't. He says, you boys asked for it, you know? That's what he says. You boys asked for it, you know, I mean, you reporters, you know, people, you asked for this. And then he moves on to the next topic.

And he drops it, right? Because Mitten ends up dropping it. And it discredits his investigation, and his investigation is pretty much shut down after that. So FDRs, those two years after the 1936 election are a low point for FDR. There's pushback against him. He loses core packing. The Minton Committee collapses. And he puts all of his attention on court packing.

And as a result, he isn't able to get his radical New Deal program. in 1938, 3738 that he wanted because he focused was almost entirely on court packing. And then later, after it really is too late on these investigations. You know, it's kind of interesting when we look at this period of time, you know, when all the institutions were being reconsidered, reinvented, if you will, and he's fighting against the constitutional pattern that had been accepted, that he was getting pushed back, even from his own party against some of this stuff, because as we talked about, people understood the principles.

He had a lot of people who did not share his idea that the end justifies the means. And we don't see that today. We're in a much more dangerous situation, I think, when we look at that. That's why it's good to go back and look at history. You look at the radical change that was accomplished during the FDR period of time. And you look at the fact that now we have people on both sides have become unhinged from or have detached themselves from basic principles about free speech, the rule of law and having a due process to investigate things like that, I think we're in a very dangerous time right now. I think this book helps get people to understand that if we look at the

context, the historical context of this. Yeah, and we're seeing a lot of people on the right who were talking about free speech and local control, states' rights. Yeah, turned down a dime. That's right. It's just very discouraging to see this. Yeah. Now they're going to come after their idea fake news you know now they've got their own fake news vendettas that they want to come after so it is there is so much here i mean we could do several interviews with this this is an excellent book it is a very important presidency to understand the context of the times which we live in our government and i really highly recommend this book fDR a political life and by david beto and you pronounce you spell your name as b-e-i-t-o is that correct that's right yeah so

it's not spelled like the Texas politician candidate is out there. Oh, please no. And a lot of people will call him Beto O'Rourke, but I think it's Beto, actually. Oh, yeah.

I believe that's the way his name is pronounced. Yeah. I keep telling people that even if it isn't true. But I think it is true. I think it is true. Yeah, I used to always call him Robert Francis O'Rourke or whatever his original name was.

I said he's a trans-Hispanic. identifies as Hispanic. I think he's a husband now. Let's keep it that way. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, we don't want to resurrect him with any attention, I guess. But an excellent book, and thank you so much for joining us. And there is much to learn in terms of politics and history. It's a very seminal presidency, unfortunately, for many of us who'd like to see government that follows the Constitution. FDR's presidency was an unmitigated disaster. And, it bears looking at it and see if we see any repetition and current events as a warning, as a harbinger of what's coming, because as we were talking about earlier, you know, this whole

stuff of secretly getting information on his enemies, we saw that immediately after World War two ended. We saw that immediately being transferred over to the NSA, the CIA, the FBI, all these people that using the income tax is spying people. These same tactics used over and over again. Thank you very much. David Beto, the book is FDR. political life. Thank you folks for joining us. Have a good day.

You're listening to the David Knight Show. There's been some new, interesting information about the link between the MMR vaccine and autism. It turns out, and children's health defense has a story, it turns out that some of their scientists have looked at this, and they've produced their own paper in response to the gold standard that has been sold by the medical community in the mainstream media since 2002. Supposedly, this 2002 study debunked any link between autism and vaccines, and now these people have looked at this study coming again from the New England Journal of Medicine, the usual suspects.

You can usually count on this kind of garbage coming from them. So the question of vaccines and autism desperately needs. needs to be put back on the table. This is a peer-reviewed research letter by a children's health defense scientist calls into question a 2002 study at the New England Journal of Medicine that officials always use as their strong evidence of no link between the MMR vaccine and autism. A decade's old study, however, does not support rejecting the causal link between the measles mumps rebella vaccine they say in the new stuff they said it's simply math and they did the scientific study wrong it was done by the usual people like i said when you look at these

studies any of these studies the first question you should have is quibono who benefits from this right and of course when it's coming out of the new england journal of medicine you know that it's the pharmaceutical industry and the medical communities are behind this The pediatricians are pushing this. The AMA is pushing this, and they are in bed with the pharmaceutical companies. Javolonsky and Hooker called for the study to be replicated after correcting for errors. They said there's problems with measurements of certainty, contradictions, and numbers presented in the studies table, and a flaw in the method used to determine risk. I wonder if this thing was done by Peter Navarro.

It sounds like his tariffs. They said, the landmark publication in one of the most prestigious medical journals in the world, whose erroneous conclusions have reverberated through news outlets and doctors' offices alike for the last 23 years, is shown to be invalid by the most basic form of arithmetic. Do they get anything right about this study is more than question. I would like to see them go back and revisit the Framingham study, which I've had the doctor that did. the surgery's lectured me on that many times to say it proves that you need to have statins and it's

like I'm somewhat skeptical of that which makes me wonder if this is being used so much by the medical community who funded it and to what purpose the problem is not that we were sold $69 billion a year in vaccines based on faulty analyses that riddled our children with toxins left them in chronic and debilitating disease state if not death the problem is that we bought it. The New England Journal of Medicine paper by Madsen and others is one of the key studies cited by vaccine advocates to say that it is a myth that there is a link between these vaccines and autism. And they did this 23 years ago. They said there was a lot of mounting evidence showing a link. And of course, if you just looked at the explosion of autism at that

point of time. You knew something was happening. But again, the report from, you know, the reply, I should say, from the mainstream media is this, don't look at this. You know, they get very upset if anybody talks about doing a study. It's like, what do you have to hide? And, you know, well, it's all been done. The science is settled, blah, blah, blah. Well, if it's scientific, then you should be able to replicate that. And you shouldn't have a concern about somebody doing another look at that. They analyzed in this study. I wonder if this settled science came from the same group that did the computer model for COVID that showed it going up forever and didn't give the same output twice. Well, that was the Imperial College of London, but New England General

of Medicine is just as bad as they are. They said they looked at 537,000 children in the Danish healthcare system. They separated them into vaccinated and unvaccinated groups. The problem was that they didn't normalize this. They said, when they looked at it, they said the risk of autism was the same in both groups. There was no association with a child's age at the time of vaccination or the time since vaccination or the date of vaccination and the development of autism. But this study has become a cornerstone publication to say that there is no connection to autism. But the two people, two scientists from children's health defense said that the study results as presented show that the authors are 95% confident that the recipients of the

MMR vaccine are anywhere from 47% less likely to get autism to 24% more likely to be harmed by the autistic disorder. Think about that. Okay, they're nearly 100% confident that they don't have a conclusion here because if you can go anywhere from 47% less likely to 24% more likely to have autism, that is so wide that you can't have any confidence in this study. Yeah, that's quite a swing. Imagine somebody who comes and says, I've got a great investment for you. Now, you might be 47% likely to make double your money, or maybe you're 24% likely to lose it all. I'm not exactly sure.

I don't know how we're doing this, but. Yeah, they've got confidence that they don't really have a conclusion here. It doesn't even make sense. Yeah, they said, this is strong evidence of a need for more evidence. So problems with how the study was conducted, they said. They had also a statistical adjustment. They used this to correct data to account for biases, confounding factors on limitations in the data. The authors didn't share their detailed model for the kind of statistical adjustment that they did,

which would have been appropriate given that the adjustment changed the safety signal to its opposite. It changed it from leaning toward harm to leaning toward protection. So all they do is they come in and wave their hands and say, well, when we initially did this, it looked like it was causing autism, but then we applied a statistical correction, and now it shows that it doesn't. Well, once I massaged the data. Yeah, exactly. Once I made it, so it didn't.

They said the studies authors are confused about the size of the vaccinated and the unvaccinated cohorts, the number of vaccinated versus unvaccinated individuals with autistic disorder and other autism spectrum disorders varies between these tables. For example, re-analyzing unadjusted data from one of their tables indicated with a 90% confidence that children who received the MMR vaccine had an 18% greater incident of autistic disorder or other autism spectrum disorders. They said the original Madison paper is foundational to the pharmaceutical industry canard that, quote, vaccines don't cause autism. However, the numbers literally don't add up. And you can see how they're massaging the data and they don't tell you

the factors that they've applied here. They just give you the end conclusion. There's no science in this. And folks, this is the whole reason, this is when you look at what they do with the quote unquote science of virology about the existence of viruses. They never do real science on any of these viruses, they've not isolated them. They have not isolated something and then exposed the population to it and see the disease develop. That's never, never been done. That's why many doctors are saying we no longer believe that in any of this virology stuff. The study was also done at the beginning of an explosion in autism rates when fewer vaccines were recommended children and when there were fewer other possible toxic exposures as well.

And so there's yet another lawsuit that's been filed against RFK Jr.'s CDC over the failure to test cumulative effect of a 72-dose childhood vaccine schedule. Think about that. It's six dozen vaccines. And what they're saying is you have barely, if you have at all, tested the individual vaccines, but you've never even attempted to test for safety. the combined effect of these 72.

And so there's a lawsuit there saying the agency has not done its job. And, of course, the CDC is under HHS. It's directly under Susan Mares. You remember her? She was put in, first they brought in somebody who was not so friendly to vaccines. And the industry was not happy with that. And he was told by the Trump administration when he was on his way to the hearing, don't bother to show up we've withdrawn your name and they put in in his place susan monterez who has been put there from working for barda which is like the biological equivalent of darpa very dark very sinister work that they're doing there and what she has been focused on at barda was artificial intelligence designing m rna drugs the very thing that trump began his

his administration with, with Stargate, if you recall. So I looked at this and I thought, well, this is just a, this whole thing was set up from the very beginning. They put somebody in there that looked like is going to be a win for skeptics. Instead, what we wind up with is an AI-M-R-N-A person who's going to be there. Well, she is at the CDC. So the lawsuit has been funny. Isn't it funny how that keeps happening with the Trump administration?

Yeah, yeah. Isn't it funny how all these people that are supposed to be on our side? they get in there and immediately switch gears. Yeah, or they don't get in, yeah. Cash Patel, Dan Bongino. Funny. CDC demands proof of harm while refusing to conduct the studies that could provide it. That is exactly what we see from these people over and over again.

You know, when you've got a natural substance. So we've got to have some studies where you can't say this or that about it, but they won't do the studies. They won't fund those studies. They don't care. So they say, well, there's no studies because, they don't fund them and then they shut it down according to the complaint when you consider how much of the medical field is about knowing which drugs interact with which ones it's shocking that they

haven't done any studies to see if these 72 vaccines can interact with each other yeah oh absolutely or to see what the cumulative effect is of all the adjuvants and preservatives and things like that because it's becoming up more and more as time goes on that the babies are just not capable of really clearing these things out of their system, that it accumulates in them at a much higher rate and a faster rate than it would in an adult because they don't have a fully developed system to flush these kinds of chemicals and toxins out. Well, it's one of these things like the masks, right? Even if their science were correct in terms of viruses and stuff, then that means that the masks were ludicrously inefficient. It could be like a hurricane fence trying to keep

out mosquitoes, you know. But when you look at like the hepatitis B vaccine, which they to give newborns. It's like, just test the mother. And see she's got hepatitis B. If she doesn't have hepatitis B, you don't need to give that to the baby. It's ridiculous. It's truly evil. Yeah. According to the complaint, the CDC violated the First Amendment free speech and Fifth Amendment due process clauses of the U.S. Constitution, as well as the Administrative Procedure Act, which agency actions are considered to be arbitrary and capricious if they have failed to consider to consider an important aspect of the problem. Well, I mean, what would government, what would we have left of the government if we took out everything that was arbitrary and

capricious? Uh, there would be much left the government, wouldn't it? Um, it fit in the constitution, I guess. Lawsuit is now asking to force the CDC to study the childhood vaccine schedule and the interactions. They said the lawsuit is bringing to light critical facts about the U.S. childhood vaccine schedule about which most parents are unaware. The schedule is essentially an experiment on our children, one that becomes increasingly concerning as more shots are added and combination vaccines introduced. I mean, they added the COVID shot, the MRA Trump shot, to the childhood schedule. On Friday last week, HHS announced that it is reinstating the task force on safer childhood vaccines. The lawsuit describes this as an encouraging

small first step, but say that it still does not address the lack of safety testing of the entire vaccine schedule. They said this case exposes structural failure of the institution. Now, what it exposes is the fact that these institutions are riddled with corruption and they are captured by the industries that they're supposed to be regulating. Individual vaccines undergo limited FDA testing and neither the FDA nor the CDC has ever required or or conducted safety testing of the cumulative childhood schedule that is now 72 doses. It said to expose the data on harm caused by vaccines would destroy confidence in the program. The program is more important to them than whether or not it actually helps children.

It's what we were talking about, the iron law of bureaucracy, and also about corruption for the people that the bureaucracy is actually working for as not the public, but it's working for the people. who have created this stuff. The FDA is there to make sure that they are free to do anything and to give them legal cover to do anything. Our plaintiffs live the reality of this unproven vaccine recommendation schedule. It's two doctors who have filed this.

Two doctors who actually did some science and for publishing these results, they had their licenses taken away. Thomas lost his pediatric practice after publishing data comparing vaccinated and unvaccinated children. Stoller had his license revoked for writing medical exemptions based on genetic risk factors. Doctors who do such research and dare publish it will have the research ultimately retracted even after being published through a rigorous peer review process.

In my case, said Thomas, a few days after this study was available online, the Oregon Medical Board had an emergency meeting immediately suspended my license claiming I was a threat to public health. You notice they don't claim he's lying. They don't come out and say, you're telling falsehoods.

They just said, you're a threat to public health. They're right, because public health is not about individual health. It is this nebulous thing that exists for its own benefit in order to dominate us. And to me that wording is a tacit admission of, yeah, okay, you're right about this. Sure, there's a connection here. However, we're prioritizing what we think is important. We think that if you were to put this out there, that people would stop getting vaccines, and that that would lead to more problematic outcomes for

us. Yes, yes. They don't want people to be able to make an informed decision. That's right, especially parents, because that's the other part of the lawsuit. They say that it also affects the Fifth Amendment for parents because it deprives parents and children of life, liberty, or property, and that it denies parents their, quote, fundamental liberty interest in directing their children's medical care and children's fundamental right to bodily integrity. And because they know that if you confront a pediatrician with this stuff and refuse to do this, the pediatrician is likely to report you to CPS.

And just like the Oregon Medical Board revoke. this doctor's license, CPS will come in to try to revoke your parenthood, take your children away from you. They said this framework denies the existence of medically vulnerable children, while the CDC refuses to recognize any category of vaccine vulnerable children, despite mounting evidence that they exist. And of course, as we reported in the last couple weeks. The American Academy of Pediatrics is now engaged in a campaign to remove religious exemptions. They want to come after the First Amendment for parents as well. They want to say that you can't refuse to get vaccines because they were the product of an abortion or something like

that. Texas Attorney General is now suing Eli Lilly for bribing doctors to prescribe high-profit drugs. And of course, Eli Lilly is the giant pharmaceutical company that Trump went to to get the head of HHS for his first term. That was Alex Azar, the head, the CEO of Eli Lilly. He was the one who ran the so-called pandemic. Now Attorney General Ken Paxton is suing Eli Lilly for allegedly bribing doctors to prescribe their most profitable drugs, especially the weight lost medications, but also other prescriptions that were there. He says that the result of this by getting them to pick the more expensive drugs has resulted in millions of dollars in claims, Medicare claims in Texas that have been made at taxpayer expense. When you look at what

they do, it's the firsthand experience I had with this Alquist thing, you know, it's a blood thinner thing to stop blood clots. And the medical community, they're all just like, oh, yeah, that's the one thing that you use. You know, they have been so thoroughly propagandized by Pfizer that that's what they sell. And the doctor said he had a patient who paid thousands of dollars a month to get this blood-thening medication. And it's like, that's ridiculous. There's a lot of things out there that can thin your blood and not even prescription pharmaceuticals, but that's what they do. They work with them to say, this is the one that you And look, we've got the study here, you know.

So these are the GLP1 weight loss medications, Monjaro and Zepbound, that are produced by Eli Lilly. He claims that they are engaged in an illegal kickback scheme. He said, Eli Lilly fraudulently sought to maximize profits at taxpayer expense and put corporate greed over people's help, just like with the opioid epidemic. Plaintiffs include the state of Texas and help,

Health Choice Alliance LLC, a New Jersey-based research organization. In addition to Manjaro and Zepbound, the complaint named a dozen drugs sold by Eli Lilly to treat conditions including migraines, eczema, leukemia, and breast cancer. Eli Lilly offered illegal incentives to Texas medical providers for prescribing the drugs, listen to this, including free nurses. What is that? and reimbursement for support services. Hey, I got a free nurse for you.

How do you manage that? An indentured servant? Yeah, I guess they take the salary of the nurses. Eli Lulian, in 2023, tested its Mangaro shots on kids as young as six. This is the GLP1 drugs, that family of drugs. Several lesser-known GLP-1 drugs can be prescribed off-label for children, but of course this hasn't been tested for that. Texas's new lawsuit follows an October 24 suit that the state and the Health Choice Alliance filed against major insulin vendors, including Eli Lilly, for overcharging.

And also a kickback scheme. This seems to be standard operating procedure with pharmaceutical companies, whether you're talking about insulin or whether you're talking about opioids or you're talking about now these weight loss drugs. And then finally, we have inside MRA vaccines. You've got Robert Redfield, who was the CDC director for Trump in his first term. This guy is coming out now and kind of fessing up. But from the things that he's saying, he ought to go to jail. He said, quote, we turned the body into a factory with no clear controls. And if you go back and look at the archives, I said that publicly.

When they started talking about that, if you remember they had. You said that almost immediately. Yeah. Yeah, they said they went. Trump set up this little dog and pony show, and he had all these pharmaceutical executives come in and sit at the table. They went around the table. And he had them all lined up in the order of how quickly they could do this.

And he's not fast enough. That's not fast enough. And he gets to Moderna. And they say, we can do it right now because we're going to use your body as a factory to manufacture this vaccine. And I said, well, what could possibly go wrong with that? I said, that sounds like cancer. How do you ever stop this thing?

And actually, what it reminds me of when I look at this, it reminds me, somebody mentioned it earlier, Fantasia. It reminds me of the sorcerer's apprentice. How appropriate, you know, when you talk about pharmacia, the sorcerers. This is basically, if you look at these marching brooms with their buckets of water, that's basically what they unleashed on you with the MRA vaccine. I think this is the perfect analogy for the pharmacia. You know, it just keeps coming, and that's what the MRA does.

It keeps multiplying and multiplying in your body, as it is damaging your body, flooding your body with spikes, these spike proteins. Yeah, that's the analogy right there. And pharma marches on. Redfield is going to tell us the truth about that finally. Five years ago, where was he? Okay, he was in the position to do something about it. He was the CDC director, and he wouldn't give you the obvious issue with it.

Hey, we don't have any way to turn this off. Where's the off switch? We can't control this. We just unleash it, right? We do this pharmacia incantation injection and it's off to the races. Well, there's probably a lot more money for him to be made being quiet back then. But now he's, now he wants some headlines. He also wants you to trust him.

So he's out there, he wants to sell bird flu pandemic, and he's been doing that. But he's also the guy that's out there selling, oh, it came from China now, right? We didn't develop it. It came from China. The virus did. Well, he said, this is a- Not that there is a virus. Yeah, this is, yeah, if there was a virus, yeah.

Exposet News has the article about a new documentary called Inside MRA Vaccines, the movie. They say it's an unfiltered. second opinion on the science behind MRNA technology to provide the public with information that corporate media will not cover about the development and global rollout of the MRA vaccine technology. Well, I hope that they get into the long history of this,

but I have concerns about it since they have Robert Malone, who is another limited hangout guy. But, you know, this thing had been developed for quite some time, the vaccine itself, as well as all the lockdown, and the tactics that they were going to use against us. They had wargamed that from Dark Winter on,

but the vaccine had been developed with Barta and DARPA for quite some time before they roll that out as well. This premiered on the 12th of August, this documentary, features exclusive 3D animations and in-depth interviews. I guess they show the MRNA unleashing the spike proteins like the marching brooms of their buckets of water, perhaps. professionals who express concern about potential gaps in data transparency, risk assessment, and long-term safety associated with the rapid adoption of this

platform, the documentary argues that while regulators and much of the scientific community maintain that COVID-MRNA vaccines are safe and effective, the technology is rapidly expanding beyond pandemic response, including potential applications in the food supply. Of course, Brooke Rawlins, the person that Trump just put in, and USDA, the first thing she did was to approve MRA injections into chickens and pigs and beef into our food supply to supposedly protect them from bird flu. MRNA, I think, is going to be the legacy of Trump. I think people are going to, I think history is going to be on my side when it comes to Trump

because they're going to see that this guy was both the father and the funder of MRNA vaccines. He has said over and over again, how he's the one who created it. He's the proud, I guess we should call him. He's unable to stop himself from bragging about it. Yeah, instead of being the founding father, he is the funding father of this abomination that we call the COVID vaccine, but MRA in general. I'm not going to be. We're going to be able to be. Making sense.

Common Again. You're listening to the David Night Show. And joining us now is James Bradley, who is the Fags of Our Fathers, a great book and a great film that was done by Clint Eastwood. And he's now got another book. Not about, that was about Iwojima, of course, and World War II. This one is a nonfiction book, and it is about Vietnam. It's called Precious Freedom.

And some of the reviews that are here, one person, Norman Solomon, said, For more than 60 years, Americans have looked at Vietnam through the wrong end of a telescope. I think that's a great way of putting it. He said, Precious Freedom turns it around and brings people into sharp focus. from Vietnamese people who lived there and died to the Pentagon's gun, gun sites. And so I think it's a very important story. And he's spent a lot of time working on this story. And this is a story that for most of us, Vietnam is a very, very important milestone in our life.

I think it shaped as me, it shaped my view of government and war in many different ways. And I didn't even go. I mean, I can only imagine the people that were there. But I did know people that went that were slightly older. than I was. I had two older sisters and they knew a lot of people who had been involved in and going to Vietnam and that experience that happened. And so this is a story that is told with characters from both sides, Americans as well as Vietnamese. Thank you for joining us, James. Good to be here. Thank you. Now you spent a decade in Vietnam researching this. Tell us a little bit

about that and what Vietnam is like and what that experience is like. Well, I, I went, you know, I had written four books up to that point. So I thought, you know, I wrote all about the Pacific War. So I think my brother enlisted in the Marines in 1967. So I was watching Walter Cronkite every night studying the Vietnam War. And I thought, you know, I'll write a book about Vietnam. I'll just spend three years here. But it took me over 10 years because I had to unravel all the propaganda baloney

told to us by Walter Cronkite into Ken Burns. Right now, it's just, you know, last night you talked about a little thing that a few folks have fooled America about COVID, about the vaccine. Yeah. You know, I mean, Trump was a Russian spy, and America, the American government did it the same with us with Lee Harvey Oswald and the Vietnam War.

Yes, absolutely right. You know, it is, and when you look at Vietnam, I keep going back, one of the, I haven't read your book yet, but, you know, when you go back and you look at the fog of war that was done by Errol Morris, I don't know if you ever saw that or not. It was a documentary. Yeah, that's a good documentary, and he just has this knack of getting people to confess to things that you would normally, you would not expect they confess to. So he spent a lot of time talking to Robert McNamara, who was. running this whole mess and Magnamara said he went back to Vietnam and they banged the guy who was his counterpart at the time stood up and said what is a matter with you don't you know anything about history for a thousand years we opposed the Chinese and you're trying to tell

everybody that we're Chinese puppets and it's a domino theory and all the rest of stuff and McNamara said yeah you know he was right what what is Vietnam like today I mean I've seen still some border conflicts between them and China. And there's a lot of competition there, but they've become highly industrialized, is that right? Yeah, China is the forever enemy of Vietnam, you know, after more than a thousand years of fighting each other. And that's how the Vietnamese learn these techniques to repel the invader.

You know, Vietnam right now, if you include reserves, has the largest army in the world. This shocks people. It's bigger than India, China, America, Russia. They are watching their borders. They're not invading anybody. And they're protecting their borders, Vietnam's for the Vietnamese, and they are growing by 8% a year.

Vietnam is so successful right now, and it would have been successful a long time ago if the French and the Americans hadn't decided to bomb it for 80 years. years. Yeah, yeah. It's amazing to think that they could get it that wrong, you know, that they think they portray Vietnam as a China puppet when actually, you know, they were, they were always opposed to them and opposition there. Now, you did this as a, as a fiction book. You have done nonfiction before we talked about Iwo Jima and the Marines that were there in flags of our father. Why did you go to a nonfiction approach? You know, in the

The book is, sorry, the book is really history as fiction. Everything in the book is true, but whereas Iwo Jima, you know, all the characters were concentrated on a little tiny spit of land. I had stories from all over Vietnam that I couldn't connect in a storyline. So I just did it. I fictionalized it, but, you know, so maybe I took a character that I have fighting somewhere where they didn't. But everything is from interviews. I did over 10 years of living in Vietnam interviewing the people. And David, you'll be shocked. I'm the first American author

to go to Vietnam and say, how did you win? I caddied for Vince Lombardi when I was a kid. I'm a little older than you. Bart Starr lived four doors down up at Bass Lake from the Bradley. And for anybody who doesn't know who Vince Lombardi is, when you win the NFL trophy, I mean the Super Bowl trophy this year, you will win the Vince Lombardi trophy. So Vince studied when he lost a game. If they won or lost, we admitted it. And we studied how we lost and we figured out how the winners won. And I'm the first author to go to Vietnam and say, you guys obviously won. how did you do it? And the answers are this book, Precious Freedom.

Yes, yes. There's actually a comment that you have from Oliver Stone who said James Bradley journeyed to Iwo Jima and returned with flags of our fathers, now ventures to Vietnam and brings us precious freedom, where he reveals that if we had known what happened in the 1960s in Vietnam, American mothers would have never sent their children to Iraq and Afghanistan. The truth is the best vaccination against great lies. I think that's very important. And so by going with a fictional thing, you can cover a lot of different facets that are still very realistic at the same time. And so tell us a little bit about some of the characters other there. You've got both American and Vietnamese characters in your book, right?

Yes, it's basically Chip in Maine. Chip is a U.S. Marine. And And, you know, Pete Hegseth got it wrong. They were in pretty good shape in the Vietnam era, you know, our Marines. It wasn't the fatness. It was the fatheads in the Pentagon. That's a good way to put it, yeah. Chip goes into May's front yard. May is 15 years old.

Look at this little chick. She's 15 years old, never thought about war. Chip shoots her father in the head. May sees this. And at 15, she says, I'm going to kill every American I ever see. And conveniently, the Americans came in in helmets and uniforms. And, you know, you could tell what an American was. So this May went out and snipered to death five Marines.

Those are the kills she got medals for. And what is untold about the Vietnam War is the role of women. here's a photo this girl with the machine gun can you see it yeah yeah she killed 174 americans wow look at she's 22 years old wow the number one marine sniper killed 94 we write books about them wow you know we harold them but this is unknown that girls were out there killing Americans. And it was because of that thousand years of fighting the Chinese. And they went out and they had a plan.

We, you know, in America, the story is, how did this happen? You can watch 18 hours of Ken Burns and it's like, wow, this is still confusing. But if you go to Vietnam, well, actually, you can't get them to talk to you, but I did. it took me six months of drinking tea, and if they part the veil and tell you, they had a plan. They were teenagers, but they knew how to seize the initiative. This was not happenstance or accidental that Vietnam beat America. They had a plan. They knew they were going to do it, and they executed the plan.

Well, it's also the fact that they're actually defending their home. You know, that's an important thing. you know, that's a big advantage for defenders when they're actually fighting for their lives and fighting for their home, as opposed to people who are going because they've been told that there's some kind of geopolitical thing, maybe, that maybe exists or maybe doesn't exist. I think that is a key thing. I think that's a real big part of why we do so poorly in all these asymmetric wars everywhere. Yes, no, that's, if Ho Chi Men, I'm from Wisconsin, if Ho Chi Men had invaded

Wisconsin. That war would still be going on. Yeah. We would never give up. That's right. I mean, you know, me at 15 years old, I knew every alleyway. I could run at night for five blocks, jump over fences. I knew what doors were open, you know. So they were defending their homeland. That's the key. And I've been to Afghanistan. You know, I lived in Iran. This bombing of Iran that we recently did in June, that united the Iranian people. never before. Oh, yeah. And we already...

Support your leader. If you... A Vietnamese guy told me, he said, you know, we were trying to recruit people in this valley, this isolated valley. And they said, what's an American? What's the war? What are you talking about?

And then an American jet came and dropped bombs. And he said, we didn't have to recruit anymore. You Americans got everybody in line with just a few bombs. You know, we've seen that in movie after movie as well. haven't we you know movies about you know the American Revolution or whatever where somebody's like I don't want to get involved of the Civil War whatever I don't want to get involved until the war comes to them and they get attacked by one side and necessarily now they get galvanized and they're in it I think that's the key thing

you know we lose our wars before they even begin because we don't talk about why we should be there and if we go to a war for an unjust cause we are going to lose that war eventually because the people who have a just cause in terms of defending themselves are going to have the determination to finish it and whatever it takes. That is the most important thing, I think, is that determination. We talk about the morality of whether we have a just war or not. Have we been attacked and how are we going to fight this? But when we ignore that and we start acting as the world's policeman,

then what we've done is we've sown the seeds of a shaky foundation that is that isn't going to be able to sustain us. And on the other side, they have a strong foundation to fight back. As you point out, if they had invaded us, we would still be fighting them. I think that's a key thing. I think we lose. But David, can I interrupt here? Sure.

I'd like to say to your viewers and listeners, if you could just back up and listen again to what David just said, that is the key to this book, precious freedom. They were defending mom and dad. Yeah. And they had a plan. And the Americans went, and they were fighting communists. You know, how do you find a communist? And what is a communist?

The Vietnamese I interviewed, who were 15, 16, 17 years old back in the 1960s, the one guy told me, he said, I didn't know democracy or communism. He said, they shot my mother and killed her. He said, that's all I had to know. Yeah, that's right. And that's how we lose these wars. We don't understand what we're really fighting for. So you talk about a distorted revisionism that we've seen here in the U.S.

Defined that a little bit. When we talk about the Walter Cronkite version of the war, we talk about the Ken Burns version of the war, how has your vision of the war changes? It took you a while to come to terms with that. Well, here is a real mind teaser. And I hope you don't mind if I have. I use visuals.

It'll save me blabbering on. But the American view of the war, if you turn on Ken Burns, Walter Cronkite, look at any documentary, starts with this. There was a North Vietnam and a South Vietnam. Can you see it? Yeah, yeah. And there was a border between two countries,

and we came to rescue South Vietnam against North Vietnam. So I go into this 85-year-old guy's house, and he said, Mr. Bradley, he said, this was all imaginary. The New York Times drew a line across my country. He said, I never thought I needed a visa to visit my uncle. There was one Vietnam. This is how they viewed it. There was one Vietnam, and we invaded the whole thing. So my brother was told, you know, you go train in the Marines, you go to the South Vietnam,

and you fight for freedom against these terrible commies. But the Vietnamese never saw it that way. They saw one country. And if you read the speeches, everybody's giving. I mean, all the Vietnamese, they start with, there's only one Vietnam. There will only be one Vietnam. And they were right.

If I drew a line across Texas, David, you know, I'm Canadian, and I come down there with the Canadian Army, And I say there's a West Texas, East Texas, there's a border, you're bad on the west side, the good is on the end. Like, what are you talking about? We're Texan. There's one Texas. And you would, you know, down to your grandkids, you would fight to have that reality come back.

We, what you said earlier about seven minutes ago, the key was not our veterans. They did a good job. Yeah. The key was our leaders set up a false situation right from the start. We lost that war before we started. What is, now, the politicians that were there, okay, so you got Ho Chi Men in the North and you got the South Vietnamese government. Was that something that Americans created?

Was that a CIA creation? Was that something that the... Yes, sir. So it didn't start with the French. Yeah. So there was a CIA question. What happened, if I could, you know, the French were there for 80 years. Roman Catholic Church, by the way.

And, you know, for the church, the French went in 1880s. They couldn't control, just like us in Afghanistan, they had the cities. They couldn't control the country. Ho Chi Minh goes overseas to study the Western media for 30 years and then figures out how to beat the Americans. He comes back. First, they push the French out. Well, in 1954, when they pushed the French out, they agreed, we'll have a temporary line at the 17th parallel. Temporary. And they wrote in the Geneva language. This is not two countries. This is not a border. The French have been here for 80 years, and we're just going to let them withdraw to the

south, and then, you know, to get the French on ships, to let them go. But Alan Dulles, the CIA, Dwight Eisenhower, Cardinal Spellman, Pope Pius, came in and said, Hocus Pocus, CBS, New York Times, make that a border. And Hocus Poc, look at, there's this country, South Vietnam, North Vietnam. Well, we weren't paying attention. What was an endo-China? So I grew up thinking there's a North Vietnam, South Vietnam. I saw it every day.

I mean. Oh, me too, yeah. you know but we we we know people that think that there was a COVID thing that hit the United States right that's right and that there's a vaccine that makes you if you take poison you get healthy yeah so what they did with us Lee Harvey Oswald killed JFK and there's these two countries but the Vietnamese the people there tens of millions didn't you know what are you talking about two countries the South Vietnamese leaders had been in the French Air Force. They were traitors to the country. When McNamara stood with

the South Vietnamese leaders, the Vietnamese look at it and they're like, wow, we beat the French and now here's the American enemy also. So this is why it took me 10 years. I had to unravel everything I knew about the Vietnam War. Yeah. And of course, that happened not that long, I guess, after really, a decade or so, after what we had done in Iran. You know, that's the other thing. Americans look at Iran and they remember the hostage situation in the Ayatollah. Well, they don't remember what's what happened with the Shah that we put in power and the Savok that the CIA train.

And I've talked about that many times. I was exposed to that because I had in the engineering school, there was a lot of Iranian students who came there. and they were protesting, and I was asking them why they were wearing masks, and they started telling me about the Savak, and it's like, what? So our history and our perception is so distorted by media and so distorted by a selective starting point in the narrative that it is really hard to get to the truth.

That's why books like this are very important to open up people's minds to understand how they've been controlled, I think. So you really kind of see this as a David and Goliath story, right? well the day the uh i don't know david and clythe uh but it's a story of the vietnamese they're like if you if you poke a japanese they have a certain history they have no ability they've never been invaded you know they don't know they don't haven't practiced those arts if you talk to an american our history is not how we were invaded by mexico and then the Germans invaded us.

And then we don't have those skills. But the Vietnamese, that's their only history. If you're Vietnamese, you grow up with that history of, you know, great-grandfather fought the Chinese here. And then your great-great-grandfather fought the Mongols in that river. I mean, I have a picture of a guy who was 16 years old about this tall. and he sunk five Navy ships on a river using techniques that were a thousand years old

the battle of the Bakhtang River from 932 and I said you were 16 and you recreated a battle that was a thousand years old and he said yes Vietnam has a proud military history so that's what they know so if you want to lose a war invade Vietnam tomorrow. Use nuclear arms. Use whatever you want. You're going to lose. Yeah. That's amazing. And I guess we probably could say the same thing about Afghanistan as well. They have taken down

one empire after the other, taking them on and taking them down in their country. So I guess they've got a long history of guerrilla warfare as well. But David, why do we choose? Yeah. Because they wear sandals. I mean, Pete Egg Seth wants, you know, short hair and no beards. Well, geez, you know, they call these girls. I mean, look at this. This is Ho Chi Minh. Okay, that's Ho Chi Minh with General Zia. Yeah. Ho Chi Min is the military genius of the Vietnam War, beat the French and the Americans. Look at this tiny guys with General Zia. General Ziapp is the winningness general of the 20th century. David, we talk about Eisenhower or MacArthur, Ziappe beat the French.

He beat the Japanese. He beat the Americans. He beat the Chinese. Vietnam is the only country in the world to have defeated three members of the United Nations Security Council. That's their history, is how to get rid of the invader. And we wouldn't listen to that. But can I just say something? Oh, yeah.

that there was a United States Marine Commandant, General Shoup, General David Shoup, Medal of Honor, Taroa, Medal of Honor, one of the worst Marine battles. This guy knew battles. And he resigned when Johnson wanted to go in Vietnam. And General Shoup put on a suit and tie and crisscrossed the countries in the 60s saying, there's no way we can win. Ho Chi Men's the George Washington. So there was, was a David Knight understanding that the media was, you know, fooling the American public back in the 1960s. And it was being broadcast by a United States Marine Commandant, not some, you know, crazy Pinko, you know, demonstrating, but a Commandant was saying the Vietnamese are never going to give up. We're going to lose. He said the Vietnam War is not worth one of our deaths.

This was coming from a military man, and he was right, but Washington wouldn't listen because Brown and Root, which became Halliburton, Lockheed, you know, they made out. Vietnam was a tragedy for them. It was a profit center. When I was looking at it as a young teen and then on into high school, it looked to me like, you know, the military industrial complex was using it to practice and develop weapons. I mean, I could see that even when I was in high school. These guys are making a killing from this stuff, and they're using it as a testing ground for their military hardware that they want to sell. Yes, sir. And that seemed like all it was to me, you know, when I looked at that.

It's absolutely insane how we have been manipulated, controlled, and misguided by these people who are the leaders that are there. And they still keep doing the same thing over and over again. Now, you've got a fictional character. I think it's the mother of the main American character, the Marine. And she kind of goes through this transformation that I think a lot of people in America did. I remember when it first started, you know, my family's conservative. So they would, yeah, this is, you know, we're going to make the world safe for democracy type of thing. And then gradually it started to understand what this war was really about.

And I think you've got a character that represents that in the mother. Is that correct? Betty. Betty is the mother of Chip. And she, you know, is college-educated. She's from Minnesota and a wonderful woman, gives her son to the United States Marine Corps. And then a guy, a funny guy by the name of Muhammad Ali, says, I'm not going to kill brown people. You know, this is an immoral war.

And what she's shocked by is that the media doesn't report his words. And she finds his words from a friend. And she's like, why isn't Walter Cronkite saying why Muhammad Ali won't go? And then a guy by the name of Dr. Martin Luther King stands up in Riverside Church and says, the United States government is the biggest purveyor of violence in the world. We are supporting a dictatorship. Ho Chi-Men is the George Washington. We cannot win.

153 newspapers criticize Dr. King. But the key is nobody read Dr. King's speech because the Washington Post, New York Times, AP, nobody would reprint it because it was the truth. And guess what? Dr. King got a bullet in the head one year to the day of that anti-Vietnam speech. Wow.

They really don't, not too concerned about killing. people are they? I mean, you know, it can be one-on-one or it can be tens of thousands of people. And this wakes Betty up. And Betty slowly begins with a friend of hers who's a librarian to see that, oh my God, she's supporting this violence unconsciously. She doesn't know that she gave her son to this wrong cause. And of course, her son comes back damaged like so many of all of You know, my father, he's a symbol of heroism. Donald Trump has got my dad right behind him. If you look at a shot of Trump in the Oval Office,

the Iwo Jima statue is right behind him. My father cried in his sleep for the first four years of his marriage. I learned that after he died. My mom told me. You know, this is war. We have got to stop talking about heroism. and start to own up to, if you want to go to war, let's have the Trump kids go first.

That's right. And then, you know, the grandkids of Marco Rubio and Pete Higsev must have somebody, you know, send them all first. My dad was on Iwo Jima, and there were colonels in front of them. There were colonels getting shot. Come on, boys. They were leading from the front. In Vodom, the colonels were in helicopters and in the back.

boys you go out there the military changed after World War II and we still have not righted it yeah leading from the rear except that you know Trump put out that picture of him as the Robert Duvall character an apocalypse it's like if that isn't disturbing I don't know what is if he sees himself that way a guy who has never been to war and he's gonna be the the guy quarterbacking this from from the back And when you look at just the disconnect that is there and the lack of depth as he talked to these generals that he summoned in there, well, it's truly is amazing. And it really is something I think that people need to pull back and take a look at what a just war is. And they need to look at our history of idiotic aggression.

I mean, we're about to do this again in several different places. I mean, they want to go into Venezuela. They would like to get involved, I think, in Iran. Boy, you talk about a quagmire in Iran as large as that country is. And the history that we've had with them, a lot of pent-up anger because of what the CIA has done in Iran for a very long time. We just don't seem to learn those lessons. And it's a very important lesson to learn, isn't it? Well, why can't we learn those lessons?

you know, you should be broadcast, you know, prime time, but you're telling the truth, so, I mean, it, you know, what you'd say about Iran, I lived in Iran. Iranians saved my life. I learned that Iran is Persia. Iran is not, you know, Iran is not in bombing Baltimore. You know, China's not in San Francisco Bay. We could, we have, I'm out here in Mauritius, in the middle of the Indian Ocean. And at night, I can almost hear all the billions of dollars of equipment that America is pre-positioning here to bomb Iran. Like, why? Why? Let's stop it. Let's make Chicago great, you know, put the money in St. Louis rather than out here in Diego Garcia. But this is what the book is about. That's why Oliver Stone said, if we knew what I found out in precious freedom,

mothers would have never given their kids to go to Iraq and Afghanistan. Yes. We need to be skeptical of what the government is telling us when it gets us into these wars. And now I'm afraid they were probably going to say, and if people had known this, we wouldn't have gotten involved in Venezuela and Iran and start a war with China and Ukraine and all these other things that we're trying to escalate.

Look at how many different theaters we're in right now, and these are big fights. And I think it was Colonel Douglas McGregor, said, we're really picking fights that, you know, we can't cash these checks, essentially, to paraphrase what he had to say. We're still doing that everywhere. It's incredibly bad leadership that we have, civilian as well as military. That's the story of precious freedom.

Yes. The reason I'm talking about the book, and I'm so grateful that you're getting it out there, is it's not just, it's not a book about the Vietnam War. It's a book about America, American media, how we are being fooled, military industrial complex, you know, and how the world sees us, and how we're taking our innocent sons and daughters and whipping them into these froths of what we call patriotism and sending them over to situations that they cannot win in.

So, you know, but again, it took me 10 years. to figure it out. Vietnam, you know, I thought of Vietnam is some dark place, you know, the jungles, and they're growing by 8% a year. The Vietnamese are confident. They will welcome you if you go there. And I realized Vietnam War was a tragedy for them, but it was a victory. They won.

They have the confidence of winners. And, you know, I tip my hat to all the American Vietnam veterans. they did a they did what they were trained to do the problem was our leaders put them in a jar that was impossible to break out of a situation and we lied and lied and lied i believed all you know i'm 71 now i believed many of these lies till i was you know 53 and went to vietnam let me ask you about walter kronkai could you mention them a couple of times and you know Operation Mockingbird was very prevalent then. We know that he was very friendly to the CIA narratives and stuff like that.

But at the same time, as that was happening, I heard criticism from the right saying, you know, he's going to cause us to lose a war because he's reading the names of the men every night that are killed in this war. What is your take on how that was that part of the propaganda, the Kronkite CBS? Well, the Kronkite, you know, just like all our prostitutes right now. They successfully, you know, go down the line so that the CIA will keep them, you know, in the chair. And they appear to be, you know, oh, this war, you know, people are dying. Walter Kronkike went to Vietnam a number of times. He knew William Colby of the CIA who was running the CIA operations.

William Colby later admitted that the United States secretly, the CIA, kidnapped 80,000 innocent civilians, tortured them, tortured them, killed them, 80,000. He admitted this to Congress. Walter Cronkite, David Albertson, all these guys knew what was happening. It was a torture program. We had torture centers all over South Vietnam. They knew, you know, but they didn't admit that. We bombed Laos.

There was an airport in Laos that was a business. airport in the world in the middle 60s. Where was Walter Cronkine? Yeah. William Westmoreland, General Westmoreland, was probably the biggest opium dealer of the 1960s, running opium through the Saigon airport. That was the French connection.

Out to the Mediterranean, washing the money in the Vatican Bank. This was all William West, what happened to William Westmoreland after Johnson kicked him upstairs? He went to be chief of staff of the Army, and he started to work on Gladiol in fighting the communists in Italy. This was a worldwide opium network that started, you know, in the Golden Triangle. They shipped it out of Vietnam because we controlled it militarily. You're talking about billions of dollars of CIA money.

So Walter Cronkite didn't know this. our top newsman morally safer couldn't figure this out it wasn't on the script they were given yeah when you look at afghanistan and uh what's happened what happened there with opium stuff it's it's amazing that we keep seeing uh you know all of these different um that how they've used the war on drugs to fund their military operations i'm thinking of ron contra and other things like that. The CIA is a whole other story. Maybe you'll do a book on them one day as well. So, you know, when we look at this, moving forward, the, there's a lot of, a lot of different characters that you're able to, with a fiction thing, a lot of different people, stories that

you're able to pull into a fictional account, that'd be difficult, as you said, to do otherwise. Tell us a little bit more about the book and your approach to that. Well, you know, Mr. Son was a 21-year-old Viet Cong leader. When I was 13 years old, I watched CBS News, and they said, here we are on Route 9. Route 9 is the key artery that cuts across parallel to the DMZ, and the Marines are out on Route 9. And I looked and I thought, wow, my brothers of Marines control Route 9. So I go out to Route 9 years later with Mr. Sohn, and I said, oh, yeah, this is Route 9. I remember seeing this in newsreels back when I was a kid.

He said, you didn't see us in those. He said, you didn't see me in those newsreels. And I said, what do you mean? Your nickname is the Tiger of Route 9. Why didn't I see you? He said, because Americans shot all the newsreels during the day. He said, we were sleeping during the day. Oce Min said, America has eyes in the sky.

Don't fight during the day. He said, I didn't fight in the day. I fought at night. It's easy to be courageous at night. So what I didn't realize is America never dominated Vietnam for a 24-hour period. I'll repeat that. America was never winning, not even for 24 hours, because every day at 4 p.m., what did the Marines do?

they retreated and they dug a hole they went back in they put wire around they put mines and they tried to get some sleep and that's when the viet Cong came out they had specialists trained to walk like spiders through these minefields and disconnect them all and then attack the marines at night so after the sleepless Marines woke up the survivors They couldn't go out on Route 9. They had to have minesweepers. There are all sorts of mines out there. The Vietnamese were fighting at night. You need night goggles, night film,

to see the Vietnam War from the view of the Vietnamese. And the other thing is, you know, President Obama told a group of Vietnam veterans, you won every battle. Well, what are you talking about? Ho Chi Men trained his people. He said, don't win a battle. He said, we're just going to ambush.

If you knock off the pinky of a Marine, they'll report that home. There'll be doctors. They'll be, you know, tourniquets. He said, you know, you just, you ambush, quick in, quick out. The three quicks and the one slow. The three quicks, you know, get ready, attack, withdraw. What's the one slow? Prepare.

He said, never attack. unless you have the advantage. So if I was 15 in Wisconsin, David, I could figure that out. I'm going to see this Canadian Army moving in a bunch with helmets. I'm not going to attack them. They could kill me. But I'm going to get them, you know, when they turn the corner, they're not looking, you know, slingshots, get them in the knee, run away, hide in the bush.

They were ambushing us. We never controlled Vietnam for a 24-hour period. period. Wow. Yeah, that's very different from what I've heard. I've always heard the line, like you'd point out, with Obama, he's not the first or only one who said that. I've heard that from a lot of people. We won every battle, but then they would turn away and leave it. So that was their best case example of trying to explain what was happening there. And even when they put that spin on it, it's like, we had leadership that could win every battle and lose the war. What's the matter with this? But that puts a whole new spin on it, the fact that they're pulling

back constantly. And of course, the Vietnamese understood that they were fighting a war of attrition. And, you know, that's because he understood America. And he understood that, as you point out, because they had a lot of experience with other invaders, it's that war of attrition. And that's how we always lose these wars, these asymmetric wars. We go in and try to occupy a country and turn it into what we want it to be. Then it turns into a war of attrition. And, um, That truly is an amazing insight. It's very different from what we heard. That's why it's important for people to see this book, I think.

You know, and I'm a Wisconsinite talking to somebody in Texas. If I could bring up, of course, the number one game in the history of football, the Ice Bowl, 1967, Dallas Cowboys, Lambeau Field, Vince Lombardi, Bart Starr. If you look at the stats, the Dallas Cowboys rushed for more. yards they had more sacks you could look at the stats and that's like the vietnam war it's as if the texas news uh media said hey look we won that game in lambo field that ice bowl for the nfl championship look we ran for more yards look we had more sacks look at this stat look at that stat but in the end the green bay packers bart star vince lombardi won and hoechie men was the vince

Lombardi. General Ziapp was the winningness general of the 20th century. And I'm not saying this to rub it in. I'm saying it to if we had realized these things, and even if we would realize what happened in Vietnam, that's the source. You know, folks, there's a David Knight gold. And David, you and I don't know each other. We didn't talk about this in advance. I would, you know, recommend everybody right now take your dollars go to david night gold get it get some gold why am i saying that in 1966 the prime minister of vietnam told the new york times you're going to go off the gold standard this war is going to ruin the dollar he told that to the times the times readers in 66 couldn't figure it out 71 nixon goes up it's because of vietnam yeah the reason we lost

in Iraq and Afghanistan is we didn't look at the lessons of Vietnam, the economy, the debt, the riots that we have right now, the government line. These are all stories that came, you know, the seed of them is in the Vietnam War, and they're in this book, Precious Freedom. Yes. We keep making those same types of decisions. You know, when you talk about the general who went around telling everybody that Ho Chi Men was like George Washington and that really is the way that they we won the Revolutionary War

again defending your home and it wasn't like they won any battles I mean they won Yorktown that was like basically the first battle that they really won but they were all wars of attrition and it was like you know the British could say yeah we got those guns in Concord in Lexington but they got

hammered the entire time they were coming back and we need to think and terms and we need to stop thinking like the world's policemen and it we just can't get that through to people maybe you know your book can get that into people's minds that perspective and and how we have just the wrong approach in terms of doing this but again I think it comes back to the fact that and things are only getting worse in this regard that we don't have the proper kind of determination whether we're

going to get involved in a war I mean you look at the wars that we've had since World War II it's predominantly been because there hasn't been a real consideration or discussion of what's happening. We've been lied into it and pushed into it by the executive branch

and a supine Pentagon that is there. It's interesting that you mentioned Westmoreland. I didn't know about his involvement with Gladiou. I mean, I've looked at Gladiow quite a bit, but I didn't notice

that he was there. And we should think about that part of it as well. I mean, NATO has got an unbelievable history when you go back and look at NATO, not just the things that are happening in Eastern Europe, but a long, long history of false flags and things like that. Yes, sir. The book is precious freedom, and I tell you, freedom is precious, and so is life. And we have allowed our government to put them on a very low priority.

They've got a different priority, and we need to start waking up as a people. And I think the important thing is that we have to, and, you know, when you've got a fictional narrative like this, it's very powerful because you can get into people's feelings in a way that's difficult to do in a nonfiction book. And I think that that ability to tell a narrative story like that can really affect people's hearts and minds. And that's what this is all truly about. That was something that was a big part of the Vietnam War was the hearts and minds that they were losing. And we need to make sure that they don't have control of our hearts and minds again. And I think the best anecdote is to have the truth presented to them in a very effective way. And I think your book is one of those ways that people can get that message out to people.

Thank you, David. And thank you for giving me the chance to talk about it. Well, thank you for what you're doing. I think it's very important work, and I think it's important for people to see this. And we all grew up with Vietnam, and I think it's also important for people to go back and to question what they were told. And once you do that, that's a real eye-opening experience. And so many of us have had that experience with Vietnam. I know a lot of people who went to Vietnam, and they had that same kind of experience and were severely harmed by that.

But our country was severely harmed. by the Vietnam War. So again, the book is Precious Freedom, and people can find it on Amazon. Is that the best place for people to find your book? Do you have a website that you're selling it? No, jump to Amazon. It will be, you'll get it delivered November 11th.

It's being, you know, officially published, but pre-orders, you know, really help a lot. And it's, you know, this is going to have a lot of readership in Asia. Vietnam was not a small American story. It was global. Yes. It should be made into a movie like your other book was. I think it would probably, yeah, I think it would be a great movie.

It's the story that really needs to be told. Who knows maybe Clint Eastwood will do it. He's still game for doing movies. He's not giving up yet with that. But maybe we'll find a good director if there's any left in Hollywood. I don't know. But it would be a great movie, I'm sure. Thank you so much for joining us.

Thank you, James Bradley. And again, the book is Precious Freedom. You're listening to the David Knight Show. You're listening to the David Knight Show. Welcome back. Our guest is Steve Banta. He's a publisher of the New American. It's a magazine from the John Burst Society.

And we were just talking off there. And he's lived in Argentina. So he can tell us a little bit about that. He's also most recently lived in China as well. He's the author of a book Inside the United Nations. And a lot of articles for the New Americans. As a matter of fact, there was one that I wanted to get to today before he came on that I didn't have a chance to, and we'll talk about that.

And that is the UN trying to establish a tax, a global tax on shipping in the name of the climate McGuffin. And so we'll talk about that as well. But he also contacted me because we want to talk about gold and money. That's also very topical right now. So thank you for joining us, Steve. Happy to be here. Thank you.

Let's talk a little bit since I was just talking about Argentina and beef and things like that. Give us your take on what's having lived in Argentina. Give us your take on what's going on. Yeah, I mean, the thing about Argentina, I lived there as a teenager, way back before the Falklands War and the military junta days. Oh, wow. And Argentina is not like, well, the whole southern cone, Argentina, Uruguay, Paraguay, Chile, in particular, is really quite different from what most Americans think Latin America is like.

When most people think of Latin America, they think of, you know, men with sombreros and donkeys and, you know, tortillas and that kind of thing. we think in terms of Mexican and maybe maybe Caribbean-American stuff, Puerto Rico. And Southern South America, Argentina in particular, is a lot more like Europe. In fact, Argentina culturally is more Italian than Spanish. There are more people of Italian ancestry than Spanish ancestry. And the current president, Javier Milay, excuse me, is one of them. And when I arrived in Argentina in 1979, I was really shocked at how well-educated the people

where it's a very bookish society. People love to play chess, for example, not to put too fine a point. They have their problems too, but they are very well educated. And in those days, mostly maleducated and, you know, peronists and supporters of the socialism and so forth.

But Millet is a different animal altogether. He's a very, very bright guy and extremely articulate. You know, anyone who knows Spanish listening to him talk, He's very persuasive, he's really a silver-tonged individual, and as is his mentor, an Argentine economist named Alberto Benegas Lynch, you can find lectures by him on YouTube as well. And these are both men of very sound understanding of free market economics and principles of libertarianism generally, you know, the non-aggression principle, all the rest of this stuff. And so, so Millet is a multi-talented individual very much in the Argentine mold. he's an accomplished, I believe, a rock guitarist and a, and a semi-professional soccer player, a football player at one point, and this kind of thing. And mostly self-educated as an economist, as well as a successful talk show host, kind of a Rush Limbaugh type figure, and this kind of thing.

And now, obviously, he's the president of Argentina. Argentina is, of all of the Latin American countries, probably has the government most similar to ours, at least on paper. So when Argentina first became independent of Spain, it was ruled for several decades by a series of what they called Caldigios, which were military dictators, culminating in a guy named General Rosas, who was a really horrific dictator, ran a true police state. This was in the 1850s. And when Rosas finally fell, he was replaced a group of men quite similar to the American founders, called themselves the generation of 1838, came forward. And some of them had studied in Europe and in the United States had traveled abroad, studied the systems of government of the countries, including the U.S. Constitution, and they attempted to craft a constitution similar to ours. Argentina is a federal republic, just like the United States is. It consists of provinces rather than states, but it's very much a federal-type arrangement. And unfortunately, unlike the U.S., well, I mean, maybe similar to us, their constitution has been reformed with scare quotes

a number of times. And so this has enabled the rise of, you know, of the left. You know, obviously Argentina, as Milay never tires of pointing out, you know, was once one of the world's most powerful countries. In fact, if you were a European, ground down by the yoke of European feudalism, you know, peasant yearning to be free and have, you know, some sort of opportunity in life, there were two prime destinations in the late 19th century. One was, of course, the U.S., and the other was Argentina. And Argentina, like the U.S., was and remains a melting pot, very amenable to immigration. And at one time was very, very a place where a man could basically go and do as he pleased and, you know, and prosper or fail according to his own efforts.

And obviously all that, and that led to a state of affairs where by the early 20th century, Argentina was one of the top five or so richest countries in the world. And the expression in English, as rich as in Argentine, was a common expression back in the roaring 20s and all. that. All that's changed today. You don't hear that anymore. Yeah, and so Argentina has since undergone almost a century of socialism. They call it Peronism, but it's a species of collectivism. And with just horrific results, when I was there more than 40 years ago, living there, I've been back since, but, you know, when I was actually living there, the inflation rate was running at, you know, 50, 100% per month and this kind of thing. And no one under those circumstances could save money. You know, the moment you got paid anything, you immediately had to buy

land or buy gold, silver, any type of actual assets because the idea of actually putting in a savings account or anything like that was not to be thought of. So this is the way the Argentine economies evolved. And then Malay comes along and says, have you had enough? And the younger generation in Argentina, kind of similar to the way our Gen Z is shaping up here has said, you know, we don't want this anymore. You know, this may have worked for our parents and our grandparents and a great-grandparents, but this isn't what we want. We want opportunities. We want opportunities. We want to be able to actually enjoy the fruits of our labors. And so I think Malay is right-headed.

But now he's encountering, he's in a situation where he's no longer living in the world of theory. He's living in the pragmatic, rough-and-tumble world of politics, where the reality is, and this may or may not be reinforced by this weekend's elections, national congressional elections, is that he's kind of a lone man. The Perunists still dominate the Congress, and they use it to thwart most of his agenda. So it's been very, very rough slog for him. And whether he'll succeed is still an open question. I mean, when I see these, right now, he's been, he's been, you know, barnstorming all

around the country to rapturous crowds in many towns and cities that have never had an Argentine president visit them before, because he wants to make gains in Congress in this weekend's congressional elections. But I see these videos and I think, yeah, one person can step out of the crowd with a pistol and this would all be done with. Yeah. You know, so it's a very cautionary tale for us because if they started with a constitution and aspirations of freedom looking at America and then you look at what happened with the perinistas and all the rest of the stuff, a large part of that I think is the cult of personality. And I think that's one of the things that, you know, I don't know, I've never lived there, so I don't know the pulse of the people. But when I look at how infatuated they were with Juan and Evita Peron and how that, you know, played out through them,

this whole idea of people getting attached to an individual or to a party rather than to a set of principles. And I look at that and say, well, you know, you can't really reverse course. And in a sense, Javier Malai comes in with a very charismatic personality as well. It's a different type of personality. As you point out, you know, his rock star aspects and his, you know, sharp tongue that he's got, you know, throwing out not only debating points, but also insults to people and the hair that he is his trademark and all the rest of the stuff. So in a sense, you still have the Argentine people, I think, influenced the great deal as everybody is, as we

are here in America, by personalities that are there. And if they can have a situation where their free society can be overthrown and you wind up with a paranistas and you wind up of people being disappeared, put into helicopters, and flown out and dropped into the ocean. If you're political dissident, that can happen anywhere. It can happen here as well, can it? Yeah, and I mean, it has happened here in the sense. I mean, Peron was the same generation as FDR. And FDR's, the stamp of his personality still remains in Washington, D.C.

I mean, FDR was the pivotal 20th century figure in American politics. which he basically came out. He seized the tiller of the ship of state and said, hard left. Yeah, that's right. That's what we're going to do. And from now on, you know, everything is going to emanate from the federal government, the federal government. There is no problem that cannot be solved by the creative application of federal government force. That was the premise of the New Deal.

And these other lesser figures, you know, Lyndon Johnson and more recently, you know, Clinton and Obama and even, you know, Joe Biden and so forth are just really pale shadows, but they're swimming in his wake. And the state of affairs where Washington, D.C. is wholly owned by the Democratic Party, which embodies that philosophy, I think, more completely than the Republicans, although they're certainly not perfect either. You know, this is really a partisan issue as such. But all of that, which Trump is now purporting to fight against and overturn, you know, is the legacy of the cult of personality of FDR and the man who followed him Truman as well to some extent, you know, had that effect. But they permanently altered, well, up till now, permanently altered the direction of the ship of state. And it's proving a very

rough slog indeed to change people's minds and say, well, you know, we need to get back to the idea that the federal government is the creation and not the creator, that it is to be subordinate to the states. And they return to the people and the constitution and all this type of thing. It's a very tough sell now. So, you know, I had a very interesting interview. That's the same thing. Yes. I had a very interesting interview last week with a guy who just wrote a new biography of FDR. And very, very interesting.

His point of view was that even though you had the Democrats who wanted to go to the same place that FDR did, you still had a lot of opposition within the Democrat Party to a lot of these extreme radical authoritarian tactics that FDR was doing, they said, we don't want to do it that way. There was a clear understanding in early 20th century America, just like we saw with alcohol prohibition. You know, they wanted alcohol prohibition, but they didn't do something like our drug war. They said, we've got to have a constitutional amendment.

And so you had people, even though they wanted to go to the same place that FDR did, in terms of government control and government, you know, taking over and running everything, they said, we're worried about that tactic, you know, whether it's a packing the Supreme Court or various other things that he was doing. And that's what I think is sadly lacking on both the left and the right in America. today. And I go back and I look at FDR. I don't know if you familiar with the work of Strauss and how a fourth turning the book that is there. But I see, to me, I see that we're in another fourth turning right now, as they predicted. And, you know, we have these fourth turning presidents

like Lincoln and FDR. Now I think Trump is in that mole who want to go very quickly, accelerationists. They want to create chaos. And they don't care what means are used as long as they get their desired end. And I think we're seeing the problem right now, and I think we're going to see this, is that even if we agree on the goal of where they want to go, and I do agree with Trump on many of the goals of where he wants to go, very concerned about the means that he's using, because it's going to set very, very dangerous precedents that will come back to haunt us, I think.

Well, and this is, you know, the problem with permitting the radical, I hate to use the word radical left, but, you know, these radical you talk. Copian reformists, they're all collectivists by disposition, allowing them enough leeway until you get to the point that Argentina was in by the 1970s, where they control the judiciary, they control all the local governments, they control the police force, everything else, is, and the same was true by the time that Allende came to power in Chile in the 1970s, or when Fujimori came to power in Peru in the 1990s, in all of those cases, the radical left had progressed to the point where they were militarized, where they were, you know, they're kind of going where Antifa would like to go, but it hasn't, we weren't quite that there yet. The question becomes, how do you solve that problem when you, when you're so far gone that there's no longer any appeal to the law because, you know, the judiciary is all corrupted and, you know, the police can't be relied upon and all this type of thing. And so this,

this creates a well-nigh insoluble problem. We say, well, the only thing to do is to do what Pinochet did in Chile and Fujimori did in Peru and the military junta, Galtieri and people like that did in Argentina. And that is you win and use extraordinary force and you try to clean house. And I'm very much afraid that we're approaching that point in the United States. Yes. Because we've already gotten the point where the law is so twisted that, you know, that they don't do much if you go out and wearing the banner of Antifa or Black Lives Man or something

like that, and, you know, and vandalized stores, assault, even kill people, and this sort of thing. You know, the law gives you a slap on the wrist, but heaven forfend, if you defend yourself against someone like that, you know, it's happened in Kenosha right here in Wisconsin a few years ago. And this type of thing, you know, where you get the point where the law and the judiciary can no longer be relied upon, it gets to the point. And this is what revolutionaries, of course, know, they understand that if they can destabilize things to a certain point, the only possible remedy is some sort of a crackdown from above. And then that generates the pretext to say, you see, you see, they are fascist, just like we're saying, you know, and that gives them more

impetus. And that's kind of what's happening now. The Trump administration has the situation where the cores of a number of our major cities are completely out of control. And the local magistrates don't want to do anything about it because they're, they're, they're in, they're, they're in sympathy within because they perceive that that crime creates um creates a rationale for more government you know i mean it's level venal politicians like crime and like civil unrest because it it creates a need for them and their services and so that's the reason that that places like chicago and memphis and portland and l.a and new york of course uh you know their local constabularies are saying oh we're not going to crack down you know and so forth and and so

Well, what are you going to do? It's a very difficult problem. And I think that's coming, that push is coming from the right also. I've said for the longest time in terms of this fourth turning, I said, you go back and you're like, previous three fourth turnings we've had in the U.S. have been, you know, the Depression of World War, part of that, the Civil War part of that, the revolution. And I said, yeah.

And so I said, you know, I think we're probably going to have all three of these things at once. I think we're going to have a depression. I think we're going to also have a civil war, a revolutionary war, and a world war. And it seems like all of our global leaders, regardless of what political party they're in, regardless of whether the left or right, they all seem to be pushing us in this direction. Yes. And I wish I could say, no, you're wrong and here's why.

But I mean, obviously anything can happen. No one can see the future. But I tend to, I would not be at all surprised if that scenario unfolds over the next five to ten years. Oh, yeah. Well, let's bring back to the farmers. I mean, what do you think, have you paid attention to what's going on? I mean, a lot of what they're saying is, and we have seen this when we saw things with the eggs, for example. You know, they go through with a PCR procedure and say, well, we've got one chicken here that tested positive,

so we're going to kill all five million of them here at this location, that type of thing. It was kind of a government-imposed thing began under Biden, but it continued under Trump's USDA until Brooke Rollins said, now our solution is that you vaccinate all the chickens with MRNA, and so and other animals that this NMRNA vaccine. So the question is, you know, we have so many different issues. You know, one of the issues with beef stuff is the consolidation of it. Part of that is the government mandated centralized processing, meat processing, places that are there.

You know, what do we do from a market perspective? I mean, certainly Trump and Bessent are not even focused on what's going on with the farms. And it's a surprise because we saw what happened in the first Trump administration. when he started messing with China and trade and tariffs and things like that, they immediately retaliated against agriculture. And the government was slow to act at that point in time to repair the damage that they had inflicted. And they're being very, very slow to do it now.

What do you think is going on with that? Well, in generalities, first of all, I mean, the problem is we tend to elect urban people as presidents. Obviously, Trump being no exception, he's an East Coast urbanite. He's now a Florida urbanite, whereas formerly he was a, you know, a New York urbanite, but those people, and I can say this without prejudice because I grew up in rural western Pennsylvania on a farm. So I've lived in Nebraska as well, worked in a small cattle bank and a Nebraska cattle town for some of you. So, yeah. Well, you've had quite a background. I've been around and, you know, but I can tell you this, I mean, the

the contrast and culture between, I live in Wisconsin now, by the way, which is a farming state, primarily, you know, dairy farms, but, but the contrast in the mentality of, you know, the man of the earth, the farmer, and the urbanite is very stark. And urbanites tend to view the economy primarily in, in financial terms, you know, the key secret to economic success is making sure, you know, keeping an eye on the money supply and proper, you know, monetary policy, all that type of thing. Because, of course, you know, all the big cities are where the banking and the finance takes place. That's that's their primary raison d'etra is to be, you know, enablers of international trade and finance and banking and all that sort of thing.

I mean, you know, the Federal Reserve is, is actually the Federal Reserve Bank of New York is where all the action is as far as monetary policy concern. So that's, that's the lens through which someone like Trump is going to tend to see the world and not really have a grasp of farming. I mean, I happen to think that, you know, Casey, Ezra Taff Benson, some other good secretaries of agriculture that we shouldn't even have a department of agriculture. Oh, I agree. Yeah. I don't see that as being part of the constitutional purview of the federal government. And that's kind of an extra constitutional heresy that goes back also more than 100 years.

Well before FDR, you know, the Department of Agriculture was already, you know, had it kind of had its finger in the pie and was influencing the, but he was meddling with the market, as far as, you know, the prices of crops were concerned and this kind of thing. So, I mean, you know, I tend to be a Jeffersonian in the sense that, that I think that an ideal republic is, first and foremost, you know, agrarian. Yes. I think manufacturing and finance and all those things are fine, but it's all predicated on a strong agrarian, you know. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, I absolutely agree. Yeah. He believed that an agrarian society was essential. to maintain our liberty and our form of government.

And I agree with them. You know, when you look at our civil war, for example, I've mentioned many, many times that Italy had a civil war at exactly the same time. And they didn't have slaves, but it was about the consolidation and centralization of power, creating a nation state when in the past they had had a relatively decentralized agrarian, you know, Italy. They wanted to create a nation state, and it was driven by a lot of, manufacturing and urban interests that were involved in that.

And so that's what we see happening over and over again. Jefferson said, as you're talking about how it's always focused on finances and other things like they said, cities are a threat to the health, the wealth, and the liberty of man. I think nothing has changed with that. It's just in the nature of the way that people live. Well, here's the thing about agrarianism is that, number one, it delivers the best possible standard of living. I mean, you know, Rome was never had it better than when they were an agrarian republic, for example. And the same could be said, mutatus mutandis of the medieval Italian republics and so forth and so on.

Although many of them were also, they were based on trade and all this kind of thing. But the thing is that agrarianism is not conducive to domination. That's right. You're self-sufficient, yes, exactly. But finance is. I mean, the basis for, you know, call it imperialism, or, you know, call it imperialism, whatever you want to call it, that kind of thing, being a superpower is finance. You have to have robust finances and robust banking system and all this. That's very much, of course, in sync with

the Hamiltonian vision of America. But, you know, I mean, America did just fine for all of the decades that it wasn't a superpower, you know, a world engirding power. And, you know, the idea, and this is as much implicit in the policies and rhetoric of the Trump administration, as it was in all of his predecessors, going back to the early 20th century, the idea is that America is a superpower and must remain a superpower. Yes, yes. The phrases like, you know, we're the indispensable nation, all this kind of thing. Well, kind of feed into that.

But, I mean, and here's an interesting thing, you know, speaking of Argentina as well. I mean, Argentina, interestingly enough, has never been a great military power. They've never actually moved to mostly southmen. They showed that during the Falkland Wars, doesn't they? Yeah, the Falkland. Warren was an exception. There's some interesting history there, too. In the wind of that right now, but by and large, Argentina has been very content, you know, with its dominion there in Southern South America. It has all that it needs and feels no need, though it certainly has the resources.

I mean, resource-wise, it's just as blessed as the United States. They could become a superpower if they wanted to. They just don't want that. And, you know, and so the United States, you know, heresy to say this. But I wrote an article a while ago for the magazine questioning the very premise, should America be a superpower? Is this really what the founders envisioned? Is that what we want? And obviously, it depends what you mean by superpower. You mean, well, the greatest country on earth, the place that everybody wants to go to live and all that. Okay, well, I suppose. But if you meet it in the sense that we mean it today, you know, the dominatrix of the world, so to speak, That is something very much counter to what the founders wanted.

And so going back to our agrarian roots, you know, like, oh, what's his name? The financial wizard who now lives in Singapore, I can't think of his name. But he's said a lot in recent years. He thinks that the future of wealth is actually going to be in farming. After this whole fourth turning thing get through that. Well, Bill Gates kind of thinks that, doesn't he? I mean, he's bought a lot of land, even though he doesn't want to have agricultural farming. He wants to manufacture food.

He still has bought a lot of land. And I think he realizes that's the fallback position. Maybe after they destroy the food supply and everybody is fed up just like they are with beyond meat, I was just talking about how their stock that hit a high of $240 is now less than a dollar. So after all of that, people turn back to the farm. And so he's kind of hedging as bets by getting farmland. Yeah. Yeah.

And why not? I mean, because that's, they call. it real estate for a reason, you know, there's a certain, you know, tangible reality about owning land and developing it for farming or whatever, you know, and so, and I think we've, we've sort of become divorced from that in our, in our relentless quest to, for ascendancy over nature, which, you know, is understandable, you know, it's good that we have things like the polio vaccine and all the rest of that nowadays, you know, that we have modern medicine and maybe that life is not quite so Hobbesian as it once was.

So it's understandable that we want to subdue nature, you know, the more brutish aspects of nature. But at the same time, you know, you don't want to throw the baby out with the bath and say, you know, we're going to live entirely in this technocratic society completely divorced from the need to get our hands dirty, you know, Mike Rose style or anything like that, you know. And so, yeah.

Yeah, a virtual reality, yeah, which is not a reality at all. Well, you were talking about, you know, this idea of American exceptionalism and how we are indispensable and how we have to be, you know, it has to be Pax Americana and so forth, and how financial issues are so much a part of that. And so, of course, when we look at the Federal Reserve and what is happening with gold, give us your take on that. That is, of course, the superpower that underlies the American Empire, and that is the ability to conjure money up out of nowhere. and they may be at the end of their... And force everybody else to use it. And force everywhere else to use it because it's the world reserve currency. That's the real rub.

And that's the reason. I mean, I was talking with an economist the other day on this, you know, why is it that Argentina, when they print a lot of money, all they get is horrendous inflation? Whereas we do the same thing, and somehow it never has that same effect. Well, the answer is that we enjoy a luxury that the Argentine Central Bank does not. Namely, we can export. You know, we can print lots of money. we can create lots of debt, ex-Nahillo,

and people will come and buy it because, you know, pursuant the remnants of the Bretton Woods Agreement and just the way the world works now, everything is denominated in dollars. There's a unique demand for U.S. dollars that doesn't exist for Argentine pesos or even euros or Japanese yen or something like that.

So we've managed to insulate ourselves to some extent and a lot of the inflation has been shipped abroad. But what's happening now? I mean, inflation is a little more complex than simply, okay, you know, when you double the money supply and prices double, that kind of thing. It's not as simple as that. It's much, it's more diffuse. And this is the reason that a lot of economists, you know,

not just modern monetary theorists, but a lot of economists, Keynesians all, reject the idea that inflation is ultimately a monetary phenomenon that's caused, in effect, by governments and banks. banks printing money because it's hard to see, you know, in terms of the prices, price rises versus, you know, the money supply. It's very complex. It's hard to perceive. You know, some prices rise faster than others and so forth and so on. So, but the reality is that inflation is caused by printing money. Inflation is not possible except under the circumstances, under conditions of a fiat money source. And fiat means money that's not tied to gold and silver. Funny thing is that

gold and silver for all of, you know, all of the obloquy that's been thrown at them, you know, gold was famously called a barbarous relic by, by Keynes, and this kind of thing, people who believe in the advisability of returning to the gold standard are derisively called gold bugs in economic parlance and so forth. In spite of all that, the fact is that that gold and silver remain real money and their price behaves like real money. So if you want to sort of cut through all of the complications of inflation, you know, consumer price inflation versus asset inflation, all this type of thing, you know, and see, well, what's really happening?

You look at the price of gold and silver, and it's going through the roof. Yeah. Because, you know, but here's the interesting thing. I saw an article. And I think it's because the central banks don't buy into this Keynesianism. And certainly they don't buy into the modern monetary theory, which I call the magic money tree, the MMT. They're out there accumulating gold for their own purposes.

And even if they're trying to come up with an alternative economic system, financial system, to ours, which has been weaponized, they are still turning to gold for credibility. Well, sure, although they say, well, it's just a hedge and all this type of thing. But the reality is. And I saw, I mean, so if you, I was just attending a conference the other day down in Florida, the Mises Institute. And there's a lot of talk about this. And one of the cardinal features of a free market, a non-inflationary free market economy, is that over time, prices will tend to fall. Okay, and we saw this, for example, in the United States, post-Civil War,

the latter half of the 19th century, is that prices of goods and services gradually decrease over time. And to some extent, we even see it today, although it's very much muddied by the inflationary waters. But, you know, you see, for example, things like the prices of cell. phones and laptops over, tend to decline over time. And here's, but, but, but here's something that never declines in prices, price, supposedly, and that's houses. People love to flip houses, buy houses, investments, real estate, because people, you know, the mantra goes, you know, the value is always going to go up, even if you don't do anything

to improve, the value is going to go up over time. This has been our experience. Well, there's a reason for that. And the reason is that those are assets that are very close to, you know, where, where the, the money spigots are, you know, in the money, the money center banks where the new money enters the economy. And so like stock prices, the prices of real estate, houses and so forth, are driven up artificially by inflationary government policy. But here's an interesting fact. Apparently, the price of houses, if reckoned in terms of gold, has also been slowly

declining over the years of decades. In other words, if you reckon things in terms of gold or and or silver, then you see the true, you know, the real economy. Yes. And what we're seeing now with gold, you know, the skyrocketing gold and now silver prices as well. I'm kind of glad I bought silver over the last several years. Although, that's a silly thing to say, though, isn't it? Because my silver is quote unquote worth more, but it really isn't.

Yeah, it's the dollars worthless. And it would be the height of folly for me to take the silver, say, oh, now it's worth twice what it was. I'm going to sell it and get that, you know, and make a profit. on it. I'm not making a profit. Yeah. Because what's happened is, you know, the worth of the dollar relative to real money, to silver and gold, has plummeted. Yeah. And that is, those are both indices of very severe inflation, even if we're not yet seeing it on the, at the grocery stores. I agree. As a matter of fact, there was some articles saying, you know, you need to start

looking at assets and even things like the stock markets, you know, look at them in terms of gold and they don't look so good. You know, we've had a lot of inflation in terms of stock prices, a lot of it because of the AI bubble. But when you look at it in terms of, you know, Dow Jones Industrial Average or me, these other market-wide metrics, it hasn't gone up as much as gold has. And I know I've talked to Tony Ardenin in the past.

We've looked at people done experiments and go back and say, you know, how much would it cost to do certain things? you know, over 100 years, say 120 years ago or so, before they went on to the fiat thing. If you had gold, you know, if you bought a custom suit or you took a trip where you did this or that and start to compare it, and they would find that it was pretty much comparable, just like you were saying with real estate, that it was basically the prices were about the same if you priced it in terms of gold, although the prices have gone up significantly in terms of fiat currency. Well, and the fact that people have this mistake.

stake in idea, they think in terms of what things are worth and dollar is a reflection of the intuition that people have that goes back to the days when we had sound money, you know, pre, you know, the bank act and pre-FDR and all that kind of thing. And that is the idea that that money should be both a, something with value and also an accountancy, something a way of keeping records. Whereas in a fiat money system, money no longer has value. It's just an accountancy device. Okay, the value is still there, but it's been, it's been divorced from money, you know, so the gold and that's reflected in the behavior of gold and silver in that sense. But money itself is no longer repository for value. I know

that some of the mesians will criticize this, the very idea of value, you know, this kind of thing because valuation is very subjective. But that's, but that's, that's the issue, right? And so But people still think money should be valuable in some sense, in sense that it once was. And so that's where this confusion arises from. People like say, well, you know, how much is this worth in $1965 or $1980 and this kind of thing? And that's all, what we have now is under so-called fiat money, which is really a contradiction in terms, is purely and simply a system of accountancy that is fraudulent. Yeah, that's right. Because, you know, it says, you know, you put a thousand of me in the bank and it's still going to be worth a thousand plus whatever interest, you know, 10 years from now, 20 years from now.

Of course, that's not the case. Everybody knows this. Yes, that's right. And so when you look at the retail trade, a lot of urban mining going on, people, New York Times actually wrote an article about it this last week about the rush of people to go down to the diamond district in New York City where people will pay you for your jewelry. So people are taking gold and silver jewelry down, cashing it out. One woman was said, well, you know, I got $7,000 for this, and now I'm going to go take a vacation or whatever. So she's not using it as a store of value.

She's just cashing it in and taking a vacation at, you know, taking advantage of the fact that she can get the vacation that's still priced in dollars. She can get that in the value of gold. But what they're doing is they're transferring out of an asset that retains this value into something that is evaporating very quickly. It makes sense if you're going to immediately consume it. And a lot of people are caught in a liquidity trap. As a matter of fact, when we saw the plunge in gold and silver,

the questions were, was this last day or so? Questions are, is this profit taking? Because it's been going straight up for quite some time. Or as one person who is a former Federal Reserve governor said, I think this is indicating something's bigger than that, than just price, then taking profits. They said, this looks to me like a liquidity issue, like the type of thing that we saw back in the spring of 2020

when we had the lockdowns imposed on us and that type of thing. And said, I think a lot of people in the financial markets are getting caught in a liquidity squeeze and they're having to liquidate gold with that. So we'll see what happens with that. But that's the key issue. And it's really a control issue. I think it's kind of interesting.

You know, we talk about Bretton Woods, as you mentioned before. When you look at what happened with Bretton Woods 2, Kisinger moved it to essentially the petro dollar. He kind of tied the dollar to energy using Saudi Arabia. And that is now disappeared. Perhaps that's what's going on with Venezuela. What do you think about that?

They got more oil than Saudi. We could reinstitute a petro dollar if we control that oil. Yeah, it's part of it, to be sure. And his neighbor, Guyana, it turns out, has a lot of oil, too. so, you know, that whole part of the world, as does Mexico. And so, yeah, I mean, and Argentina does, too. I don't know people who don't know this, but particularly down in Patagonia, in Chibut Province, in particular, there's a, there's, and, and Ushuaya,

way down the southern tip of Argentina is now become quite, quite the oil boomtown. Wow. So, yeah. So Patagonia is not just high expensive clothing, right? No, no, I've been down there. It's a beautiful area, but it's definitely, it's prospering quite, quite remarkably, and a lot of that is because of, because of, because of, the oil that's found on the continental shelf off, you know,

off the coast of Argentina there. And so, yeah, there, there's a lot of, and, and you can bet that that's in the back of Trump's mind and that Besson's mind as well. And they're, you know, kind of building this, this new bromance with, uh, with Melaide's Argentina because, you know, so yeah, I mean, no doubt. Oil is, is still in spite of all of the, you know, the quest for alternative energy and, and, and the kind of fanatical attempts to get rid to rid the world of fossil fuels. The pragmatic reality is that oil ain't going anywhere anytime soon.

That's right. So it's going to remain the main, you know, stock and trade. Engine of growth, yeah. I mean, China right now is trying to sort of belatedly realize that their policy of having a financial, you know, bamboo curtain around China and, you know, preventing the RNN-B from being used internationally for fear that it might become be destabilized or something like this, they're finally realizing if we really want to compete with the United States, we have. have to try to internationalize, to globalize the renminbi and making an alternative to the U.S. dollar. But they have one major disadvantage, and that is that China has no oil. They don't, none that anyone's aware of. They're completely, you know, an oil and gas importing country from Russia and other places. And so they, they're not a power player.

Yeah, and you go back and look at it. I mean, oil is foundational to so many of our wars and, you know, as well as to the economy. And if you go back to 1930s and the, technocrats and the technocracy incorporated and so forth they were talking about essentially getting rid of money and evaluating everything in terms of energy usage and of course you got a lot of people who buy into that technocracy philosophy people like teal and musk or around trump and you know yeah exactly and so you know i think this this whole idea that it for them it makes sense to evaluate things in terms of energy and of course the energy would be the barrel of oil still as a practical matter.

So I think that's the foundation of a lot of this stuff that we're seeing here. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. So while we talk about that, I mean, the UN, though, sees that their power basis is kind of using what I call a McGuffin because that goes back to what Hitchcock said. It's basically just something that you put out there to control the narrative. and so their basis is to try to also control energy by restricting it, by taxing it, and so forth. And you had an interesting article on the New American about the U.N. tax, and we see something being done right by Trump here.

I have been very critical most of Trump's policies, but I think one place where he has done a far better job than any of the other presidents has been on the energy issue in both the first term and now I think in the second term, it's still not perfect. There's many things that are still left out of it. But they put their foot down against this UN global tax on shipping. Tell us a little bit about that. Yeah, well, so this is something that has been in the works for a number of years at the behest of the IMO, the International Maritime Organization, which is a little-known UN appendage. It's part of the UN, and its job is to regulate shipping.

By the way, there's a corresponding organization to regulate aviation, and they're trying to do the same thing to instigate. a global tax on aviation fuel as well, but that's a, that's another story. So the shipping tax is potentially a tectonic event because it would represent, I mean, irrespective of what kind of taxes, it would be the first time that the United Nations would have independent taxing authority. And they have to have that, yeah. Well, they have to have that to be a powerhouse, really. You know, you're going to, first you've got to have the ability to tax and then you have to have the to raise an army right and and obviously yeah and so those are two things that

politically were not palatable back in the mid-1940s when the UN and also the Bretton wood system were set up the people who said I would have dearly liked to have proclaimed the UN a world government then but knew that that was not feasible and so they created an organization that could be the framework could be it could be gradually filled out over time and and turn into a world go which is why the UN looks like a government, why it has, you know, basically a bicameral legislature, you know, has the Security Council and the General Assembly, and it has, or purports to have executive legislative and judicial powers and all this type of thing. There's a reason for all

of that, okay? But what the UN doesn't have, de facto, is the, number one, you mentioned a military. I mean, to the extent that there's a UN military at all, it's crucially dependent on the willingness of member states to contribute troops to serve under UN command. They don't have the authority to levy their own troops, you know, to conscript people. They don't have their own independent military. And the same is true of taxation. All governments worth their salt, you know, have the authority, the power to to levy taxes, which the UN doesn't. I mean, so, I mean, how does it get funded?

Well, primarily by, again, by donations from member states, membership fees and the like. And that's been a great, has curtailed the UN's ability to live up to the potential. envisaged by its founders. But now, and we were warning about this. I and my colleague Alex Newman in particular have written a number of articles on this impending global tax and shipping, which has been in the making for five, six years. It's kind of been out there. And we fully expected that it was going to happen this year. And that would represent the first time that the UN was able to collect, to have its own revenue stream. And it won't be the last. I mean, if it's passed, there are other ideas out there like taxing international, um, uh, transactions in the internet, uh,

tax, obviously carbon tax of jet fuel as another, as another major one, um, things like a global income tax and global property taxes are further down the road. But certainly they, you know, that's, they kind of hope for that as well. And, um, in this case, you know, the, what happened was that the Trump administration in a rare, I have to say a, a rare spasm of, of, of ideological clarity. Yeah. Trump himself said, this is an unconstitutional,

global tax, it's not happening. And if anyone tries to make this happen, we're going to impose severe penalties on them and so forth. And the result was that some countries, including Argentina, by the way, which earlier this year abstained from voting on the measure, they kind of tried to wiggle their way through it. They turned into a firm no vote.

And on the other hand, you know, Brazil, China, and most of the EU, certainly, you know, great, the U.K. are supporters of the measure. But Saudi Arabia and the other major petroleum exporting countries, a lot of countries that are crucially dependent on cruise lines like the Caribbean nations for their economic well-being, were all opposed to it. And it ended up being a very slim vote no, but it's not really no. Okay. So what they were going to basically, at the IMO summit in London, they were supposed to rubber stamp this thing and another year or two, it's

going to start coming into effect in the UN will start having all this money coming in, ostensibly in the name of reducing carbon emissions and moving forward, the net zero, 20, 50, goal, and all that stuff, okay? And instead, they were on the verge of saying it's just not going to happen, but in the last minute act of parliamentary ledger demand, a couple of the people said, oh, well, here's what we'll do. We'll vote. to table the thing for a year. So that's what they did. They said, okay, we're not going to make a decision on now. We're going to meet again a year from now. And of course, they're hoping against hope that the politics will change by them. And this is what they always do. This is how the globalists

operate. If once you don't succeed, you try, try, try, try, try again, until eventually get the result that you want. So this is not going away. Kudos to Trump, you know, give credit where credit is due. It's like the WHO's pandemic treaty. You know, they get shut down. They keep coming back. They're relentless, they're going to keep hungry back and changing a little thing or maybe just bringing it up as it was, you know, for another one of these things. And it is kind of interesting, you know, because we've kind of seen this pattern. And of course, Zabignau Brizinski was all about this in terms of, you know, creating the trilateral commission and these different economic areas, creating trade groups that would essentially have some economic control over people. And then unifying those trade groups into a political entity. That's the pattern that we saw happening in Europe with the common market, then becoming, you know, going in with more and more economic control in the marketplace, and then finally coming in with the euro and things like that.

Now they're moving to, you know, after they establish more and more political control of people, probably all of this push with Ukraine and everything is to give them a European army, which they denied they were doing as Brexit was happening. the reports they want a European army. Oh, no, no, we don't want that. Now they're talking about it openly. And so we see these types of things. It's kind of interesting that the UN has taken, you know, you can unify people economically, then unify them politically to create this large governing block and then bring those blocks together into a world government.

But in the case of the UN, they're doing it politically, and now they're moving into the economic stage, kind of doing it in reverse order. Either way, it's that same goal. of consolidation and centralization, isn't it? Yes, and using as an entering wedge, things like trade and economics. Yeah. Saying in effect, as, of course, the Europeans did way back in 1950s. Oh, no, no, this isn't political.

This is just about free trade and open borders, and obviously who can oppose such positive-sounding axioms, right? But, of course, as it turned out, it was about much more than that. And then they're trying to do the same thing here in the new world. They did with the FTAA of a generation ago that ultimately kind of fell apart. They tried to create, you know, from Canada. to Tierra del Huego, you know, this free trade zone, ostensibly free trade zone, and that eventually didn't work out. But they're still working on, you know, the fact that we have a sort of a customs agreement, a trade agreement amongst the U.S., Canada, and Mexico, there are souls out there who want to transform that into some kind of a broader, you know, North American political union.

And you can, you know, people like Mark Carney, you know, openly talk about then, his predecessor, Justin Trudeau, up in Canada, we're very well aware of this. And certainly some of the, you know, the people in Washington as well know that that's the real goal. You know, you use trade and you persuade people of the advisability of having open borders and free trade, and then you work toward the political convergence. That's right. And, of course, I remember when Trump did, said, I'm going to get rid of NAFTA. We don't like NAFTA, so I'm going to do the USMCA. And replace it with something else.

Yeah, and you guys were spot on at the New American and saying that, well, the USMCA is not really fundamentally. different from NAFTA. There's just been some tweaking and some other stuff. So what do you make of the fact that Trump began this administration by attacking a lot of the same agreements that he was boasting about in his first administration coming after Mexico, coming after Canada, even accusing Canada of bringing fentanyl into the country? What do you make of that? Has he changed? Does he not want to have this unification that is there with Mexico and Canada, this economic unification? Well, there's some evidence that he did learn some things during his four years in the political wilderness. Obviously, certainly experiencing the brunt of lawfare and all that had an effect on him.

But more than that, I suspect that he's actually done something that he probably hasn't done a lot of in his adult life. And that's done some serious reading about some of these issues. This is the one thing about money men, a lot of money men, they're so busy doing what they do. They don't take the time to really read. And so while, you know, I mean, I think all of Trump's instincts are spot on, you know, he's instinctively hues toward freedom and so forth. He doesn't really have a strong understanding of a lot of these issues and he relies on his advisors and this kind of thing. And he does seem to have a different crop of advisors. His first time around, you know, he bought into the idea, well, I need to surround myself with policy experts.

And in practice, that usually means people of CFR and trilateral's pedigree. And that's why we had that revolving door of Secretary of State and this kind of thing under the first Trump administration and he's constantly feuding with his cabinet as because he did point people who were basically globalist and elitists and thought differently than he did

but they were sold to him by his circle of advisors well you need to have your newcomer to Washington so you need to have these seasoned experts helping he quickly realize I don't like what they're telling me to do and so this time around he does seem to have made wiser choices in that regard.

In fact... Unfortunately, he's got this one really bad hangover, Peter Navarro, who came up with those reciprocal tariffs in that chart that was just utter nonsense.

And... No, and Navarro's been in prison, too. So he's got a chip on his shoulder. Yeah, yeah. So maybe he's trying to destroy... Scott Besant is the one guy in this Trump administration

that is kind of cut from that cloth, this kind of establishment-type guy. And most of the rest of them are, you know, I mean, there's a lot to quibble with, certainly. He's probably no Ron Paul or Thomas Massey. But, you know, you get back to Scott Bessent and where we began with Argentina. When you look at this, the beginning of his $20 billion bailout to Argentina, this hasn't gone very well. Actually, you know, the peso, the Argentine peso has continued to go down in spite of his financial lovers that he's been pulling. Yeah, well,

And again, much as I love Miele and Argentina, we have no, you know, the president has no constitutional power to bail out other countries, even via currency. So, I mean, Clinton did that with Mexico back in the mid-1990s and got into all kinds of trouble. He used the exchange stabilization fund in his case to just up and send money to Mexico to stabilize the Mexican treasuries and all that type of thing, whereas, you know, best in so, well, it's a currency swap. Well, what does that mean?

It means that we go in and buy their worthless currency with our somewhat less worthless currency. So, you know, that's pretty much what's happened. And, yeah, I mean, we'll see. The elections in Argentina are coming up this weekend to kind of come full circle and we'll see what happens. Millet will be present one way or the other for two more years, presumably, but whether or not he has a more compliant Congress is very much in doubt at this point.

We'll see. Yeah, yeah. Well, and again, I think a big part of what we're seeing happening in the backfire of Bessence's policy. is the de-dollarization that's going on internationally. People are walking away from the dollar because it was weaponized by Biden and continuing to be weaponized by Trump.

They want a different financial system. They're moving to gold or they're trying to establish bricks or something like that. And just to, I think it is also a harbinger of the declining power of the dollar financial system that's there. What do you think?

Well, absolutely. I mean, you know, and this is something, again, as with military power, we're loath to admit, that the state of affairs that we have all come to accept as natural for the past several generations to wit that the dollar is going to be forever and ever amen, you know, the world's dominant currency, that that could ever change.

That's right. But again, you know, the Germans thought the same up through World War I. I mean, you know, the German mark was, you know, alongside the British pound. And we could, you know, also adduced the example of the British pound, which up until World War II was the world's great currency. Where's the pound today? Yeah. Where's the mark?

Well, the mark doesn't even exist anymore. We know about German hyperinflation after World War I. So, yeah. And here's the thing, too. You know, the triggers for calamitous hyperinflation, you know, Weimar Republic's style hyperinflation usually are major traumatic events,

like a civil war or a major military loss. And so if the other things that we talk about come to pass, Now, if the civil unrest continues, if the United States gets involved in, you know, some kind of major world war, starting over Taiwan or Ukraine or something like that, you know, these things could all prove the death knell to dollar supremacy. Yes. Because it would cause, you know, potentially at least, you know, could just absolutely detonate a bomb in the middle of our American sense of confidence and complacency about the dollar. I think a lot of people see that. I think that is fundamental to a lot of this move into gold and silver away from the dollar that we're seeing. And, of course, again, the weaponization of this financial system that we set up, we're destroying it ourselves, even if we don't do it from within.

But there's a lot of issues that are coming up within. So very important that people keep their ear to the ground, and one of the great places to do that is at the new American.com. Thank you so much, Steve, for joining us. Our guest has been Steve Bonta, who is the publisher of the New American. And it's always a pleasure to have people on from JBS. And I just, I want to see more stories out there about concern about the federalization of policing and other things like that. Because I tell you, I'm just going back. I talk about it constantly.

I said, boy, the John Birch Society was like 60 years ahead of the rest of everybody when they talked about. the dangers of the federalization of the police and the militarization of the police, you know, back in the 1960s, support your local sheriff or whatever. That is more important than ever, I think. And we've got to be careful that we don't move into that because of a particular goal that we have. We have to be mindful of the precedence that we're setting and of the means that we're using because those are going to be the things that are going to be used to hang us when the administration changes as it inevitably will. Yes. So thank you so much for joining us.

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